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Kiper sees a problem with Redskins' draft philosophy

While the Redskins wrap up their minicamp today at Redskins Park, draft week has officially begun. We'll be hammering it hard all week here, starting with this morning's story, which pointed out that the Redskins have fewer picks (four) than any other team in this week's draft. In fact, 21 teams have at least eight picks and two teams have 12.

Of course, this is mostly the doing of the previous regime -- though Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan did trade the second-rounder as part of the Donovan McNabb deal -- and ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper believes the Redskins have a philosophy problem when it comes to the draft, as you can see.

The Redskins gave up their third-round pick when they selected Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft last summer (though at the time, they surely didn't realize they'd be picking so high in the third round) and lost the sixth-rounder as part of the Jason Taylor trade in 2008.

With Jason Campbell, Albert Haynesworth, Rocky McIntosh and LaRon Landry among those who could be traded this week, you can bet the Redskins will do what they can do add at least a couple more picks.

A few other things from today's story that may be of interest:

Shanahan says his Denver drafts -- the good and the bad -- have made him a better personnel guy: "You're much more prepared for it because you've been through a few of them. You're always hoping for those great drafts. Those great drafts don't happen all the time. When they do happen, it's the difference in your franchise going this direction or that direction. So you know how important they are as you get older."

On whether the Redskins can realistically trade down, Shanahan said: "There has to be a team that obviously will spend a lot of money," Shanahan said. "Not every team will. ... You just go on history, how many people move in the top-5? Probably not [likely], but you never know. Then there's got to be a team out there that says, 'Hey, I want that pick.' And every once in a while you see him. The Jets last year, right? So it happens."

On the questions the team asks itself during evaluations: "You're going to take a look at what gives you the best chance for the future, evaluate those positions and see what can help us win the quickest," Shanahan said. "Or what guy may be more dominating than the other at that position? Can you get that guy in the second round? Can you get that guy in the fourth or fifth round? Can you move back? There are a lot of intangibles that you have. What you're trying to do is put the best football team together."

By Rick Maese  |  April 18, 2010; 9:39 AM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan , NFL Draft  
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Oakland is the most logical choice for a trading partner for AH and Jason Campbell. Oakland needs both a DT and QB and we need picks/players.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 18, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem with this perspective at all. Question is whether Shannahan and Allen agree.

Posted by: Pepper5 | April 18, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Mel Crapper Jr and his big bored. Yawn.

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey there...just a quick note as we wait for player/coach availability after the final day of minicamp. Yesterday, it was mentioned in a post that Portis was cleared for contact; obviously there's no contact in minicamp.

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 18, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Couple problems with Kiper's argument:

1) The Skins have had more picks the past three years than several other teams, including the Jets, who look to be one of the League's real up and comers.

2) just a couple seasons back, the Skins had nine or ten picks, and look how that turned out to date (Chris Horton).

3) When you use a pick on somebody like Jeremy Jarmon, you don't 'lose' it -- you get an extra year from a player you wanted. Can't expect Vinny to have known then they'd be switching to a 3-4 the following year.

4) Teams that attempt to 'build through the draft' usually do so by stockpiling picks. That's because they expect half of them to wash out (or the equivalent) over the next couples seasons.

5) Bruce Allen's point is absolutely correct -- that you build through draft, trades, FA, and the waiver wire, and rarely are you able to reach a point where your team is strong in all areas.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"...just a quick note as we wait for player/coach availability after the final day of minicamp. Yesterday, it was mentioned in a post that Portis was cleared for contact; obviously there's no contact in minicamp.Posted by: CindyBoren"

they just meant the coach could slap him upside the head.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Kiper and McShay should be part of the 10% unemployment problem. Who cares what these guys think.

Posted by: Rahtard | April 18, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

On the Zorn post ... I hate him just a little more today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2010 7:50 PM |

Zorn is a punk who refused to stand by his standards and quit when he should have ....

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2010 12:01 AM

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You can expect this sort of randomness out of Zeke, but Curzon? You think that by refusing to quit, by defying Snyder and Vinny's taunts, Zorn "refused to stand by his standards"?

Never mind that stuff about "quitters never win and winners never quit." You guys think that quitting is the only honorable way out of the Redskins? You must love quitters like Haynesworth, MacIntosh.

When the game's going against you, just pull your team off the field and refuse to play any more? By signing a contract and fulfilling it you think Zorn's "a punk"?

Agree to disagree.

Posted by: League-Source | April 18, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"5) Bruce Allen's point is absolutely correct -- that you build through draft, trades, FA, and the waiver wire, and rarely are you able to reach a point where your team is strong in all areas."

And Bruce Allen has a great history of this philosophy working with the great work he did in Tampa?


"2) just a couple seasons back, the Skins had nine or ten picks, and look how that turned out to date (Chris Horton)."

Obviously Vinnie doesn't have the eye for talent than say, Scott Pioli/Billechek and the Indy front office does. Give 'em 10 picks and 8 of those guys are producing for the team by year 2.


"1) The Skins have had more picks the past three years than several other teams, including the Jets, who look to be one of the League's real up and comers."

Its all or nothing for the Jets this season w/ no salary cap. And for all they have spent, Mark Sanchez is still unproven at QB.


"4) Teams that attempt to 'build through the draft' usually do so by stockpiling picks. That's because they expect half of them to wash out (or the equivalent) over the next couples seasons."

Thats the whole point of stockpiling picks. Even if 1/2 wash out in 2 seasons, 5 are still contributing (note: CONTRIBUTING, not just sticking around 4th in the depth chart) and with the $ you save on those 5 guys, you can go and sign the top notch free agent that can put you over the hump.


"3) When you use a pick on somebody like Jeremy Jarmon, you don't 'lose' it -- you get an extra year from a player you wanted. Can't expect Vinny to have known then they'd be switching to a 3-4 the following year."

Vinnie probably didnt know he'd be out of a job either lol.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | April 18, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

So the story is about what the previous regime did, so in other words it's useless considering there gone.

To compare Shanny trading a second round pick for a great QB to the things Vinny was doing is a joke.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 18, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Kiper is a Skins fan?

Posted by: MadeRED | April 18, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins merely draft Okung and had not made a deal for a quarterback, the first thing Kiper would have said was that 'you can't win in the NFL without a productive quarterback' and that while LT is solidified having Campbell and Rex Grossman at qb consigns the Redskins to the cellar for the forseeable future.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 18, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

How is taking Jeremy Jarmon "giving up" or "losing" a draft pick? They DRAFTED Jarmon. That's what draft picks are for.

Posted by: daglaw | April 18, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Kiper sees a problem with Redskins' draft philosophy

I see a problem with you're entire team

Bunch of stuff- all slapped together

must be painful to root for a team with absolutely no sense of direction

Hey! David Akers is almost too old-maybe we can trade him for you're #2 next year?

Oh wait! wasn't he an original skin....

Posted by: eaglesrule | April 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Mel Crapper Jr and his big bored. Yawn.

Posted by: pjente

Yeah, sure he's a dork. But he's absolutely right here. Absolutely. And sadly, he has "Scoreboard!" to back it up.

Posted by: TheCork | April 18, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

On the Zorn post ... I hate him just a little more today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2010 7:50 PM |

Zorn is a punk who refused to stand by his standards and quit when he should have ....

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2010 12:01 AM
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could you of walked away from 2.5 Mil in 2010 by walking away in 2009? Tough decision.

As such, Zorn is making more money as a QB Coach then a third of the Head Coaches in the NFL. I believe Snyder has to back-fill any shortfall in his Ravens Contract up to 2.5 Mil.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 18, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

So the story is about what the previous regime did, so in other words it's useless considering there gone.

To compare Shanny trading a second round pick for a great QB to the things Vinny was doing is a joke.

Posted by: Flounder21

How, exactly is that a joke? An already draft pick short team loses a critical second round pick in exchange for a fading about to be 34-year old QB who has no line, and few draft picks to draft a line to keep him healthy?

Rather than a knee-jerk defense of the current administration, let's see some facts backing your claim.

Posted by: TheCork | April 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I had read Kiper was a Ravens Fan

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | April 18, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

How, exactly is that a joke? An already draft pick short team loses a critical second round pick in exchange for a fading about to be 34-year old QB who has no line, and few draft picks to draft a line to keep him healthy?

Rather than a knee-jerk defense of the current administration, let's see some facts backing your claim.

Posted by: TheCork | April 18, 2010 11:10 AM |

OK corky I new you be back to beating the I hate the Skins drum, McNabb is not fading where is your proof that backs that statement up.

We had no QB JC is a joke and Shanny new it, I think he knows a little more about it then you or I.

Mcnabb has no o-line yet and since we haven't had the draft yet, your statement is about as worthless as the time it took you to write it.

I support the team yes because honestly what has any of your b_tching and crying got you knothing. I know if the team gets good thats going to hurt you more then anything because you wont be able to come up here and cry.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 18, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

How about we give the new front office more then 4 months, to fix the devastation Vinny, Gibbs, and Snyder have caused for the last 10 years.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 18, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't noticed Thinker_ is anything but

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 17, 2010 10:27 PM


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On March 25 @ 7:35am

Posted by: Vicc | April 18, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

If you haven't noticed Thinker_ is anything but

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 17, 2010 10:27 PM


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On March 25 @ 7:35am "Thinker_" had this to say:

"You'll be the first one to cheer when we sweep the division next year. Bet on it. You'll all be in line to blow JC17. Bet on it."

Posted by: Vicc | April 18, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Than at 7:42am "Thinker_" laid another golden egg:

"And if you don't like it, wait till what I say is true. Then you can raise your meek minds again.

Ever played football?

Then shut it. Don't know squat. Wait and see...

Or open your ignorant mouths and eat your nonsensical words later, while you celebrate.

Just so sick of the dumb morons who get to blow warm air for the offseason.

Campbell will expose you all for BSers.
So, go ahead, stake your handles on it.
You'll be signing in with new handles in a matter of months."

Posted by: Vicc | April 18, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Line up your names now. And sign in with new handles next year.

BET.

Posted by: Thinker_ |


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Allow me to be first in line.

Pass me the notepad, I'll sign it.

Posted by: Vicc | April 18, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins gave up their third-round pick when they selected Jeremy Jarmon in the supplemental draft last summer (though at the time, they surely didn't realize they'd be picking so high in the third round) and lost the sixth-rounder as part of the Jason Taylor trade in 2008."

Why does the past keep coming up when they talk about teh Skins....What does the current GM and head coach have to do with the above statements? Shanny and Allen were not here so how can you say "they continue" I guess Shanny and allen were expected to correct all the mistakes from other front office structures in 3 months or be damned!

PAST has NOTHING to do with the PRESENT!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 18, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Thinker_ operates from "solid O-line = solid QB" school of thought.

I'll rest my case there. I thinker you've had enough. Good Bye.

Posted by: Vicc | April 18, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is a punk who refused to stand by his standards and quit when he should have ....

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2010 12:01 AM

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Zorn did what he had to do, and it was what anyone of us might have done, had we had an ounce of conviction in our ability to rise to the occasion.

"Sorry boss, I know I interviewed for the shelf stocking position, and while I'm flattered you would like me to be the store manager, errrm... excuse me while I unpack that box."

And to expect him to quit? With money on the table?

If I was Zorn, I would have quit, and given the double bird to Snyder and Cerrato on the way out, but it appears Zorn is a better person than me.

From a personal perspective, Zorn benefitted greatly from the experience as a head coach in the NFL, an opportunity he likely won't see again, and by not quitting, he maintained his dignity.

Furthermore, by not breaking rank during trying circumstances he assured himself future consideration for employment elsewhere in the league.

and you call him a "punk?" Interesting...

Joe Flacco will be a better QB under Jim Zorn's tutelage, just as Jason Campbell was.

Let's look at the stats:

2007
G 13
Att 417
Comp 250
Yards 2,700
Avg 6.5
TD 12
INT 11
Rate 77.6

2008
G 16
Att 506
Comp 315
Yards 3,245
Avg 6.4
TD 13
INT 6
Rate 84.3

2009
G 16
Att 507
Comp 327
Yards 3,618
Avg 7.1
TD 20
INT 15
Rate 86.4

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 18, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

So the story is about what the previous regime did, so in other words it's useless considering there gone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 18, 2010 10:49 AM |

Too bad people don't feel that way about politics. More than a year gone by and still blaming the last guy. How convenient.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Yeah scamp, never mind the deficit was 1.3 trillion when Obama took the oath of office.

how "convenient" for the guy, and for all of us Americans.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 18, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Hook, line, and sinker...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 18, 2010 11:35 AM
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good point, leevi98. Shanahan and Allen are just playing the cards dealt to them... there is really no "continue" between two totally different regimes.
MS and BA are cleaning up a decade's worth of mistakes.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

gulp

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 18, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

thinker_ was up here last night blasting the Caps as "chokers." That was before they came back and won the game 5-4 in overtime. Then he claimed this morning that he was referring to a game that they lost a year ago.

thinker_ = choker

Posted by: League-Source | April 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah scamp, never mind the deficit was 1.3 trillion when Obama took the oath of office.

how "convenient" for the guy, and for all of us Americans.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 18, 2010 11:45 AM

I guess that makes it okay to double or triple it in a couple years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I entered a contest some years ago. I didn't win. The prizes were: first prize one week in Philly, second prize two weeks in Philly, third prize three weeks in Philly.

I lived there in the 1970's when the Phillies invited Kite Man to jump off the top of the stadium to hand the ball to the pitcher to start the game. It was too windy for him to jump safely. An announcement was made to that effect. After several minutes of booing by the fans, he jumped. The wind caught him and after he crash landed the fans booed even louder. He was taken away on a stretcher. About the third inning the PA announcer stated to the crowd Kite Man was going to be fine, he broke some bones. The fans booed even louder.

The best things about Philly are all the great Italian restaurants in South Philly, it's one hour from the Jersey Shore, and all the trains heading for NYC.

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I guess that makes it okay to double or triple it in a couple years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 11:51 AM

But you don't understand the difference between bad deficits and good deficits, do you?

Democratic Congress deficit when Bush is President = BAD

Larger Democratic Congress deficit when Obama is President = GOOD

Bush never passed a single deficit budget. Not one. Congress passed all the deficit budgets.

Posted by: League-Source | April 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I guess that makes it okay to double or triple it in a couple years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 11:51 AM

But you don't understand the difference between bad deficits and good deficits, do you?

Democratic Congress deficit when Bush is President = BAD

Larger Democratic Congress deficit when Obama is President = GOOD

Bush never passed a single deficit budget. Not one. Congress passed all the deficit budgets.

Posted by: League-Source | April 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report


My recollection is the GOP controlled Congress for many for many of the years Bush was president.

Also, didn't Bush exclude the Iraq war spending from his budget.

Brilliant!!! From our first( and hopefully only MBA prexy. MBA- more bungling always!!!

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Hook me up with some obama money yo. Free handouts for all the haynesworths out there without athletic ability.

Posted by: Rahtard | April 18, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

On the Zorn post ... I hate him just a little more today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2010 7:50 PM |

Zorn is a punk who refused to stand by his standards and quit when he should have ....

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2010 12:01 AM

...........................................

You can expect this sort of randomness out of Zeke, but Curzon? You think that by refusing to quit, by defying Snyder and Vinny's taunts, Zorn "refused to stand by his standards"?

Never mind that stuff about "quitters never win and winners never quit." You guys think that quitting is the only honorable way out of the Redskins? You must love quitters like Haynesworth, MacIntosh.

When the game's going against you, just pull your team off the field and refuse to play any more? By signing a contract and fulfilling it you think Zorn's "a punk"?

Agree to disagree.

Posted by: League-Source

LS -- my comment had to do with Zorn saying how hard it was when he got stripped of play calling duties to stay -- and that he stayed because he wasn't going to give up. But he doesn't mention that if he'd quit, he would have walked away from $4million.

Zorn hung in for about 10 weeks and pocketed $4million -- probably about 10x any other payday he could have. Zorn can say what he wants. But don't expect me to believe that money wasn't a factor.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What? Snyder is not good at building a team? Someone notify the media immediately, this is huge.

Posted by: kls1 | April 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What happens if the NBA had playoffs going on and no one noticed?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 18, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I still say McNabb-JC is the best 1-2 quarterback combination in the NFL. Who here seriously wants Rex Grossman coming in for McNabb when he gets hurt, vs. a guy that at least the players respect and would be (hopefully) playing behind a better o-line and receiving corps? Look around the league at the #2's on these teams, and the 'drop-off' from McNabb to JC isn't nearly as steep as it is with other teams. Farve-Jackson? Kolb-???; Peyton Manning-??? JC is also about the only qb in the League who has the fortitude to deal with that situation and make the best of it.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"My recollection is the GOP controlled Congress for many for many of the years Bush was president."


Your memory works better than the Obama-Haters as they forget that Bush inherited a 300 billion budget surplus after the Clinton years.

The Republican controlled Congress signed off on 2 wars, deregulated the financial markets, and initiated massive tax cuts which DID NOT bring the booming economy they all bragged would come.

And now, the GOP preaches fiscal responsibility: the hypocrisy is hilarious.

In the wake of the worst presidential administration in the country's history was a financial meltdown of colossal proportions.

And folks forget that the man in charge, Geirge Bush, has a master's in business administration.

He must of been sitting at the back of the class when he got the degree.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 18, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Let's get this accurate - listen Washington Post - The Redskins did NOT give up a third rounder for Jarmon. They simply made a draft pick ahead of schedule - and one that will likely prove very valuable! We can debate whether spending a third rounder on Jarmon was a bad deal, but the Redskins did not LOSE a draft pick - they simply pulled that one forward. I say this because there seems to be some insidious misinformation about the Redskins TRADING draft picks for acquisitions - and to even suggest that a 2nd rounder being used for Donovan McNabb is a POOR decision is ludicrous! Jason Campbell was leading us nowhere and even if his numbers improved, he wasn't a LEADER! If McNabb plays well, we do "give up" a third rounder next year, but that seems to be a small price to pay for someone who has been there and done that before and who knows how to command the field like McNabb does.

So stop suggesting we lost a third rounder this year - we didn't. We still made a draft choice even if it was after the regular draft last year. Jarmon likely will be worth more than a third rounder (even the Post people were speculating other teams wanted him).

Posted by: laserwizard | April 18, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I still say McNabb-JC is the best 1-2 quarterback combination in the NFL. Who here seriously wants Rex Grossman coming in for McNabb when he gets hurt, vs. a guy that at least the players respect and would be (hopefully) playing behind a better o-line and receiving corps? Look around the league at the #2's on these teams, and the 'drop-off' from McNabb to JC isn't nearly as steep as it is with other teams. Farve-Jackson? Kolb-???; Peyton Manning-??? JC is also about the only qb in the League who has the fortitude to deal with that situation and make the best of it.

Posted by: pdfordiii | April 18, 2010 12:38 PM

The question is would he be here?
Say what you want about Campbell, he is still better than 50% of the league's QB.
If Jay Cutler is a starter in this league, Campbell should, at least, qualify to be a back up, but with the perception of some Skins fans, it is better to give him away for a penny! Trust me I'm not one of them.

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Side note.

Been to Poland and really loved it there. A great place to visit.

Krakow, where today's state funeral is being held, turned out to be one of the most vibrant, fun and interesting cities I've ever visited. The town square is amazing. It was one of the few major cities in the region that didn't get shredded in WW2. In the midst of a lot of sadness, there is an extra reason to recognize what an amazing nation Poland has become.

A photo gallery of various places:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/poland

An amazing sky color:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/54258836

Some of the quirky signs:

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/54258908

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 18, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Your memory works better than the Obama-Haters as they forget that Bush inherited a 300 billion budget surplus after the Clinton years.

The Republican controlled Congress signed off on 2 wars, deregulated the financial markets, and initiated massive tax cuts which DID NOT bring the booming economy they all bragged would come.

And now, the GOP preaches fiscal responsibility: the hypocrisy is hilarious.

In the wake of the worst presidential administration in the country's history was a financial meltdown of colossal proportions.

And folks forget that the man in charge, Geirge Bush, has a master's in business administration.

He must of been sitting at the back of the class when he got the degree.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 18, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

He cut classes just like he cut out on his service in the military.

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

My recollection is the GOP controlled Congress for many for many of the years Bush was president.

Also, didn't Bush exclude the Iraq war spending from his budget.

Brilliant!!! From our first( and hopefully only MBA prexy. MBA- more bungling always!!!

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 12:04 PM |

The main problem here is that Bush was NOT a conservative. Unfortunately people thought because Bush was a Republican that it meant he was a Conservative. Reagan was a Conservative, Bush was an idiot. So Obama ran a campaign against Bush NOT Conservatives. You phukin snowblind libs don't get it. Let's also not forget that Clinton and HUD put in place housing policies that were a major part of the financial meltdown. Unfortunately Greenspan didn't repeal those policies, he coninued them, hence a bunch of people that really couldn't afford to buy houses, bought houses and subsequently couldn't pay for them. My point from the beginning was that Obama can't just sit back and say "It's not my fault" anymore. It's now his administration and he needs to take responsibility for the things that are happening NOW instead of everytime something looks bad well, "It's not my fault." All you libs wanna do is play pass the buck. Those chickens will come home to roost if in 2 more years y'all are still sayin' "It ain't our fault," and the deficit has tripled.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Arguing with DC area libs that are so out of touch with the rest of the country is like getting teeth pulled. There is a reason that 27% of voters call themselves tea partiers and 59% of America says Obama is pushing us towards socialism. 27% certainly isn't a majority but a quarter of voters is an awful large portion to ignore and make fun of. They're American citizens and to label them unpatriotic and unAmerican is a dangerous game. These are your neighbors fellow citizens. Just because they don't agree with you doesn't give the President and this sh!tbag Congress the right to insult them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are a mess but can anyone take a guy who looks like that seriously?

Posted by: nadeemsx | April 18, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Having said all that, love you guys and you are certainly welcome to your opinions. I'd fight for your right to have 'em. Peace and HAIL!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Truth Hurts...Jason Taylor trade...what a waste of a second round pick...Cerrato = Idiot.

Posted by: unknownsouljah | April 18, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I'd really prefer to hear your idiotic opinions about football more than your idiotic opinions about politics.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The main problem here is that Bush was NOT a conservative. Unfortunately people thought because Bush was a Republican that it meant he was a Conservative. Reagan was a Conservative, Bush was an idiot. So Obama ran a campaign against Bush NOT Conservatives. You phukin snowblind libs don't get it. Let's also not forget that Clinton and HUD put in place housing policies that were a major part of the financial meltdown. Unfortunately Greenspan didn't repeal those policies, he coninued them, hence a bunch of people that really couldn't afford to buy houses, bought houses and subsequently couldn't pay for them. My point from the beginning was that Obama can't just sit back and say "It's not my fault" anymore. It's now his administration and he needs to take responsibility for the things that are happening NOW instead of everytime something looks bad well, "It's not my fault." All you libs wanna do is play pass the buck. Those chickens will come home to roost if in 2 more years y'all are still sayin' "It ain't our fault," and the deficit has tripled.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I am not a liberal. I voted for Reagan twice and Dumbya once.

The issue is not conservative vs. liberal. The country has no leadership. Leadership is coming from other parts of the world. The fact is we care more about whether the team we support is going to win a championship than having the right leadership in place in DC

History will bear out the fact that Dumbya was one of the worst presidents this nation ever had to date. Politics has nothing to do with the matter.

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth, Campbell, Carter & possibly McIntosh WILL be traded on Thursday or sometime during the draft.

I believe this coaching staff will give Landry another shot to prove his worth as he's been playing out of position for the past few years due to the unfortunate passing of Sean Taylor. Kareem Moore has shown flashes and the onus will be on him this season to do big things.

If things don't pan out this season, expect new safeties on the team next year.

Posted by: JinxMan | April 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn is a punk who refused to stand by his standards and quit when he should have ...."

Zorn ain't no punk

Amebix is a punk-

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Posted by: frak | April 18, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Those chickens will come home to roost if in 2 more years y'all are still sayin' "It ain't our fault," and the deficit has tripled.

Posted by: scampbell1975"

So tax the phukin Big Daddy Warbucks crooks in their tax havens in the Cayman Islands..

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Many here are still discussing Zorn, who was hired to coach GIBBS players. That's right: Suisham, Landry, Campbell, Portis. Moss, Randle-El, Cooley and others ALL PICKED BY GIBBS - not Zorn. The kicker was cut last year, Portis AND a #1 PICK cost us Champ Bailey, Jason cost us THREE PICKS, Brunell cost us picks too, Landry is over-rated. All GIBBS picks, and you fools blame Zorn for having to coach these multiple errors in player personnel.

Remember, Gibbs is in the Hall of Fame for his COACHING. Had he picked players (like Desmond Howard), he would not be in the HOF. Thus Gibbs in also why we're where we are today, as they were HIS blunders.
See above

Posted by: kedavis | April 18, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

What happens if the NBA had playoffs going on and no one noticed?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 18, 2010 12:28

I used to love the NBA. Now, couldn't care less. I hate that for me.

Posted by: will_ga | April 18, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Thus Gibbs in also why we're where we are today, as they were HIS blunders."

And thats what makes next weekend scary..Every Skin fan knows it was Beathard and Casserly that made the solid selections that propelled Gibbs to the HOF..Will Shanny be able to rebuild back to championship glory?? Only his hairstylist knows for sure..

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I am not a liberal. I voted for Reagan twice and Dumbya once.

The issue is not conservative vs. liberal. The country has no leadership. Leadership is coming from other parts of the world. The fact is we care more about whether the team we support is going to win a championship than having the right leadership in place in DC

History will bear out the fact that Dumbya was one of the worst presidents this nation ever had to date. Politics has nothing to do with the matter.

Posted by: pjente | April 18, 2010 1:24 PM |

There is nothing you have said that I disagree with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

So tax the phukin Big Daddy Warbucks crooks in their tax havens in the Cayman Islands..

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2010 1:41 PM

That, in itself, will not solve the problem frak. I'm sure you realize that. For all your insane rantings I can't believe that you are that stupid. This deficit, no matter who's fault, is going to take a much broader approach than soak the rich. Out of control spending, overspending on substandard work projects, shrinking the private income tax pool, and expansion of government will all have to be curtailed. And that's just the beginning.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, I'd really prefer to hear your idiotic opinions about football more than your idiotic opinions about politics.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 18, 2010 1:24 PM

Good thing I don't give 2 cold sh!ts what you'd prefer.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

The main problem here is that Bush was NOT a conservative. Unfortunately people thought because Bush was a Republican that it meant he was a Conservative. Reagan was a Conservative, Bush was an idiot. So Obama ran a campaign against Bush NOT Conservatives. You phukin snowblind libs don't get it. Let's also not forget that Clinton and HUD put in place housing policies that were a major part of the financial meltdown. Unfortunately Greenspan didn't repeal those policies, he coninued them, hence a bunch of people that really couldn't afford to buy houses, bought houses and subsequently couldn't pay for them. My point from the beginning was that Obama can't just sit back and say "It's not my fault" anymore. It's now his administration and he needs to take responsibility for the things that are happening NOW instead of everytime something looks bad well, "It's not my fault." All you libs wanna do is play pass the buck. Those chickens will come home to roost if in 2 more years y'all are still sayin' "It ain't our fault," and the deficit has tripled.

Posted by: scampbell1975 |

A few points. Rational points. Whether you consider Bush a conservative or not, the policies were adopted with the full and usually unanimous (or very close to it) consent of Congress. The issue cuts across essentially the Republican party, its not just Bush.

Second, its hard to appreciate how bad the economy was when Obama took office. We lost roughly 25% of our national wealth -- a staggering $50,000 per person -- in a matter of months. Family of 4 -- $200,000 -- around a decade of savings.

One of the most fundamental principles that I've observed is that it is MUCH easier to destroy something than it is to build something. Whether its a building, a relationship or an economy, building is a much tougher task.

Realistically, the economic meltdown should take 5-10 years to recover from -- if we do this intelligently. Voters may not see this rationally, but we took a massive hit.

Thing is, we had very few 'levers' to push when the meltdown hit. Our deficits were very high, our debt was very high, our savings rates were very low and unemployment was not great and rising quickly. There weren't ANY good choices.

In my lifetime, I've never seen a confluence of economic issues that approaches this.

Lastly, SCamp, if you really want to think the Dems are passing the buck, go ahead. At least with health care, there was a legit attempt to fund it. The Dems are going to get hit in elections this year for actually paying for what they passed. Which is unlike the multi-trillion $$ expenses -- passed under a Republican Congress and President -- prescription drugs, the farm bill and 2 wars.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 18, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Redskins kick tires on Jerry Porter, Marques Hagans

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 18, 2010 2:01 PM ET

The Washington Redskins are using this weekend's voluntary minicamp to take a look at a couple of free agent wide receivers.

Reporters on the scene for the Washington Post have tweeted that Jerry Porter is at camp, as is Marques Hagans. Neither player is listed on the Redskins' roster.

The 31-year-old Porter hasn't played in an NFL game since 2008, when the Jacksonville Jaguars signed him to a six-year, $30 million contract with $10 million guaranteed, and he responded by catching a whopping 11 passes for 181 yards before getting cut.

Hagans spent December of 2008 on the Redskins' practice squad and remained with the team through last offseason before being waived just before the start of the 2009 regular season.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 18, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

A few points. Rational points. Whether you consider Bush a conservative or not, the policies were adopted with the full and usually unanimous (or very close to it) consent of Congress. The issue cuts across essentially the Republican party, its not just Bush.

Second, its hard to appreciate how bad the economy was when Obama took office. We lost roughly 25% of our national wealth -- a staggering $50,000 per person -- in a matter of months. Family of 4 -- $200,000 -- around a decade of savings.

One of the most fundamental principles that I've observed is that it is MUCH easier to destroy something than it is to build something. Whether its a building, a relationship or an economy, building is a much tougher task.

Realistically, the economic meltdown should take 5-10 years to recover from -- if we do this intelligently. Voters may not see this rationally, but we took a massive hit.

Thing is, we had very few 'levers' to push when the meltdown hit. Our deficits were very high, our debt was very high, our savings rates were very low and unemployment was not great and rising quickly. There weren't ANY good choices.

In my lifetime, I've never seen a confluence of economic issues that approaches this.

Lastly, SCamp, if you really want to think the Dems are passing the buck, go ahead. At least with health care, there was a legit attempt to fund it. The Dems are going to get hit in elections this year for actually paying for what they passed. Which is unlike the multi-trillion $$ expenses -- passed under a Republican Congress and President -- prescription drugs, the farm bill and 2 wars.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 18, 2010 2:04 PM |

I don't disagree with much of what you said z's. As I've been saying for years, many people are much closer to middle of the aisle than politicians. Hence things get rammed through that few people totally agree with. It's a destructive political game. Extreme solutions rarely work, we need some negotiation and consensus. We also need someone to take responsibilty for their decisions and actions. Just cuz sh!t got screwed up doesn't mean you're not currently responsible for digging the hole deeper. Bring on the draft. I look forward to stirring the football pot...these old JC discussions are getting tiresome.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I hope Obama makes a turn towards the right, a-la Clinton. If he wishes to be re-elected, he must. Clinton cut taxes and was much more moderate than most give him credit for. The two parties intend to divide us and most are their willing puppets. I am a fiscal conservative, therefore the two major parties offer no choice for me.
Check out the pork on all bills democrat or republican. If it doesn't awaken you and make you sick, you're part of the problem!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 18, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Kiper is a Skins fan?

Posted by: MadeRED | April 18, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Who the hell is Mel Kiper? In all seriousness he did grow up in the Baltimore area so I would be more surprised if he wasn't a Redskin fan. Many people jumped on the Redskin bandwagon after the Colts skipped town.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | April 18, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"he 31-year-old Porter hasn't played in an NFL game since 2008, when the Jacksonville Jaguars signed him to a six-year, $30 million contract with $10 million guaranteed, and he responded by catching a whopping 11 passes for 181 yards before getting cut."

D.C. Jerry is a great player if he's in shape.

"The two parties intend to divide us and most are their willing puppets. I am a fiscal conservative, therefore the two major parties offer no choice for me."

There's only one party, the Business Party..All other competitors are either squelched or hijacked..

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 18, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

scampi, your jingoistic diatribes and irrational condescensions are getting tiresome..

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I didn't even read the article, just the headline, but I will still confidently say, "What the hell does Kiper know?" He said Jamarcus Russel was gonna be one of the best ever!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 18, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"Capitalism: A Love Story" is a really good movie to watch. It doesn't cover all of America's problems, but does a really good job of showing Wall Street's part of it.

Here's a link about who's been putting our country in debt:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

Posted by: midniterc | April 18, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper is a friend of Vinny Cerrato. He used to praise him for everything. Now that he's gone, he seems to see things differently.

Posted by: corky1031 | April 18, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Please take that political crap outta here! Who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway! BTW when you are left a trainwreck you don't just fix the train you get a new one.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 18, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Daft 2010 1;Russel Okung (hopefully) 2;Donivan McNabb (probowl quarterback) 3;Jeramy Jermon (rookie DE with 2 NFL starts) 4;? 5;? 6;Wasted Pick (Jason Taylor) 7;? So far not to D!!! Bad.

Posted by: cjpiper | April 18, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Daft 2010 1;Russel Okung (hopefully) 2;Donivan McNabb (probowl quarterback) 3;Jeramy Jermon (rookie DE with 2 NFL starts) 4;? 5;? 6;Wasted Pick (Jason Taylor) 7;? So far not to D!!! Bad.

Posted by: cjpiper | April 18, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan makes manlike statements thats almost extinct in todays sports. C.Rogers is a big-time corner thats matured, but most only see warts. R.Mcintosh is teams best L-backer. Haynesworth IS what past SKINS TEAMS were respected for, man has high skill level, plus give what you got ballplayer, and in it for the team player. What he said late last year, I said to friends all year, no sportswriter dared write it even if known. My town shows childish negativity, mainly due to Skins management always silent in positive leadership of individual players and team.

Posted by: DMcCall2 | April 18, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

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