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LaRon Landry plans on helping Perry Riley adjust to the NFL

Fourth-round draft pick Perry Riley (6 feet 1, 239 pounds) was the only defensive player Washington selected in the three-day draft that ended Saturday, and he has a lot of work ahead of him as he transitions to the NFL. Fortunately for the former Louisiana State linebacker, he'll receive help from strong safety LaRon Landry, one of his former college teammates.

"As soon as he gets here, I'm going to have him over [to his house] and we're going to go over the plays ourselves," Landry said of Riley, who was a freshman at LSU during Landry's junior year, on Saturday during a phone interview. "I've got the playbook at home, the coaches gave me that as soon as I came in, so I can help him out."

A weak-side linebacker in LSU's 4-3 defense, Riley will play inside in the Redskins' new 3-4 scheme, "but it's not going to be a major difference for him," Landry said. "He played the WILL [weak-side] linebacker. The WILL linebacker in the 3-4 is basically almost the same thing.

"It's not like the SAM [strong-side] linebacker when you're on the line with the tight end and you've got to be in coverage. You can just react, be aggressive. And this is an aggressive defense we're playing."

Riley is among the rookies the Redskins hope will make a major impact on their revamped special teams under coordinator Danny Smith. "This guy has got a strong motor, so he'll definitely be able to help there," Landry said. "Most linebackers are one dimensional. He's got three dimensions: he can cover, he's fast and he's smart."

Coach Mike Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen chose wisely in selecting Perry, Landry said. "He was a hard worker [at LSU] as like myself," Landry said. "He really didn't say too much. He just let everything he did out there on the field, as far as his athletic ability, speak for him. We can use a guy like that on defense, especially at the linebacker position in the 3-4 that we play."

By Jason Reid  |  April 26, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
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While I think MK12 and LL are young enough to still flourish, not sure they are my go-to guys to endorse the draft picks....a word to the wise guys, worry about proving yourselves...

fingers crossed MK12 and LL are part of the solution, not the problemo...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I thought inside 34 LBs are supposed to be bigger than 239... like 250/260ish?? Whatevs

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 26, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Lando needs to get adjusted himself....

Posted by: hbu_dog | April 26, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I hope LL isnt showing Riley how to take the "proper angle/depth" while in coverage...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 26, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"But if you look at our draft and count McNabb, Jarmon and Carriker then we eneded up getting 9 guys out of this draft."


Yes, it was a good draft.

And if they continue to take two or three offensive linemen each draft for the next two years, we'll be on the road to recovery in no time.

And as for the folks hating the wide receiver pick, consider that S Moss may or might not be a redskin next year as his deal is about up, and no one resigns 30+ skill position players.

Austin with 4.3 speed is a good pick, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

LaRon Landry is going to have a big, big year...and there will be more to come after this season. The coaches love him, and they're going to really use his talents the way they should've been employed all along.

Posted by: Carl739 | April 26, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I hope LL isnt showing Riley how to take the "proper angle/depth" while in coverage...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 26, 2010 10:16 AM

which is why he needs to be at SS... still worried about FS.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Yo Carl, here's hoping!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

And as for the folks hating the kick returner/punt returner pick

fixed it for ya...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

LaRon Landry plans on helping Perry Riley adjust to the NFL

''''''''''''''
and this is good?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Landry can help Perry adjust to being cut, right along side his sorry double move arse!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

which is why he needs to be at SS... still worried about FS.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Even though I think Kareem Moore will do fine there really isn't anyone else on the roster at that position. That concerns me. Maybe Lendy Holmes is the backup plan? Maybe we sign Sharper?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2010 9:39 AM

Thanks for the props CL....

Insert the LL steroids/angles jokes here....

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 26, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Wow...another endorsement from an underachiever. This gotta stop...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Landry can help Perry adjust to being cut, right along side his sorry double move arse!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:21 AM

my guess is that LL will be fine playing in his natural position... not that there is anything wrong with that.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Giants signed him. I was kinda bummed. I thought he was athletic enough to play right tackle here or at the very least he'd be a good guard.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 26, 2010 10:14 AM |

I agree with you. He seemed like a good fit in Shanny's system. Can you check on one more player for me? Where did Este (sp) the center from Hawaii sign?

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Austin with 4.3 speed is a good pick, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

________________________

He plays Teams & is a good PR/KR... Team captain of UCLA... good character guy... what's not to like about the pick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_EPhasjfng

Posted by: tony325 | April 26, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I would much rather be reading the title...

"Stephon Heyer plans on helping Bruce Campbell adjust to the NFL"

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we sign Sharper?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM


I gotta think that's still a possibility...he'd solidify that defensive backfield and allow us to move Landry back to SS. I'd bring him in right now and sign him to a 2 year deal if that knee looks OK.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Appreciate LL30's heart and all, but maybe we can find a different mentor for young Perry.

There's something about LL30 teaching the defense to Perry Riley that just doesn't inspire tons of confidence.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Well, I did say that Jason Campbell was not out QB of the future 3 years ago, but nobody listened.

That seemed smart then, and down right genius now.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:12 AM

========================

looking on wikipedia.org... The Skins traded Jay Schroeder for an all pro OLine guy names Jim Lachey (aka Jessica Simpson's ex father-in-law..haha..). Later turns out this was THE Steal of the Bethard/Casserly era.
So I find it hard to believe we couldnt do better than a conditional 4th round pick in 2012 for an average and serviceable QB? At least receiving a back up OT or OG would of been better than what the Skins have now.. or received in return..
Obviously the Skins unloaded JC as an act of desperation so they didnt have to release him, outright before camp started. Got to believe Snyder put pressure on BA or MS for that move.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

For all the Laron Landry bashers, he was playing out of position - plain and simple. He admitted it, the coaches admitted it, its time to move on.

Laron should really flourish this year playing closer to the line and under Haslett's scheme.

Like Matt Bown said, Darren Sharper excels in Gregg Williams defense with the Saints but doesn't think he could with the defense Haslett will be running with the Redskins.

At any rate, solid draft by the Redskins. I am a big fan of the Terrence Austin and Selivsh Capers picks.

Posted by: heycisco01 | April 26, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I would much rather be reading the title...

"Stephon Heyer plans on helping Bruce Campbell adjust to the NFL"

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:26 AM


And I would much rather read this title:

"Lady GaGa Plans on Helping 'Sports_Guru' Adjust to Reality."

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you. He seemed like a good fit in Shanny's system. Can you check on one more player for me? Where did Este (sp) the center from Hawaii sign?

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Jags signed him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Even though I think Kareem Moore will do fine there really isn't anyone else on the roster at that position. That concerns me. Maybe Lendy Holmes is the backup plan? Maybe we sign Sharper?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM

Sharper is too much of a "win now" signing. winning and rebuilding aren't mutually exclusive, but I'd like to see some more competition at free safety than Moore and Holmes. would guess that this will be a FA move before camp.

gotta run, catch you cows later.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I love these guys who bash JC till moodly comes home, then complain that we didn't get 21 Firsts, and 18 seconds for him in a trade.....Can't have it both ways, you can't say the guy sucks, then expect to get compensated like he's brady....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow...another endorsement from an underachiever. This gotta stop...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:23 AM
==================================
ever notice how the underachievers and/or guys on the bubble, seek out the media?

(we learned that in SportsAgent 101).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Jags signed him.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM

Really? Can't see him fitting into that scheme. But what do I know.

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Wow...another endorsement from an underachiever. This gotta stop...

Posted by: brownwood26

So if J.P. Losman were to give Sam Bradford props on his game, does that make it invalid?

If you're a player, you're a player. F an endorsement, or what other players and so called analysis have to say about prospects. If it's there the talent will come to light.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

____________________________


It would be nice... but I don't see us beat Rex Ryan to him... stay in same division & get to play Patriots twice a year. Of course, if Shanny finally wants to tap into Snyder's man purse then maybe we could.

Posted by: tony325 | April 26, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I thought inside 34 LBs are supposed to be bigger than 239... like 250/260ish?? Whatevs

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 26, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The outside linebackers are around 250-260 because they have similar responsibilities to rush defensive ends. Not so much for interior linebackers.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

There's something about LL30 teaching the defense to Perry Riley that just doesn't inspire tons of confidence.

Posted by: p1funk


The knock on Landry isn't his inability to grasp the playbook (him not stupid), it's his technique.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"...Can't have it both ways, you can't say the guy sucks, then expect to get compensated like he's brady..."


The irony about the Campbell trade was that it was the only situation where the team handled him professionally.

They sent him to a place--for low return--where he can do his thing for a fanbase that's endured the colossal failure known as J Russell.

I think the raiders know what they got, and will change their system accoringly.

And who knows?: Campbell might play with a chip on his shoulder behind a decent offensive, and excel.

After all, he's not a finished product.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I would much rather be reading the title...

"Stephon Heyer plans on helping Bruce Campbell adjust to the NFL"

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Campbell sucks. We got a better player in the 7th round.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If you're a player, you're a player. F an endorsement, or what other players and so called analysis have to say about prospects. If it's there the talent will come to light.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 10:34 AM


Yeah, but quoting guys who played with certain rookies in college yields the same 'ol same 'ol. That's like asking a parent if their kid is smart...he's gotta be a career f*ck up for the parent to say anything other than the affirmative.

They're just hammering home the obvious, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse


If he's out there, then let's get him. He got his payday in NE, so hopefully he's looking for a cheap comeback opportunity.

Although I can see him preferring a place like NYJ or Dolphins so that he can exact some revenge on NE and still play 3-4 on a team with legit playoff aspirations.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

So I was looking at the tapes of the players drafted by the skins and I will tell you this Selvish Capers is already better than Stephon Heyer. I say that with confidence. I support all the Maryland players so this is difficult to say, but it is truth. We may have 2 lineman in the draft that will go right into the rotation. I still do not understand what is the problem with Rhinehart. If he is not a player we need to move him. Finally, Perry Riley on film looks like a more athletic H.B. Blades. I think training camp will be interesting. I hpe the Skins do not wait to get these guys into the program and get them going now.

Posted by: jtrob_1 | April 26, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse
=========================================
no.. attitudinally he's just a lighter version of AH. Watched interviews of him up here in NE.. big problem for Belichick.. and one of BB's few admitted FA mistakes.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Adalius, no thanks, he sucked since he came to NE, not worth it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of our ILBs what is up with RMac? His contract problems resolved at all?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 26, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: heycisco01 | April 26, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

It goes deeper than LL30 merely "playing out of position" although that's true.

It's about his tackling technique (or lack thereof).

It's about him being woefully incapable of being effective in coverage.

It's not just about how the Skins intend to use him, it's about how offenses have learned to exploit his weaknesses.

We've seen the story play out with Adam archulate and Roy Williams - tough physical blitzing strong safeties who can't cover and get picked on in the passing game until they have to get benched.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The knock on Landry isn't his inability to grasp the playbook (him not stupid), it's his technique.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Look Red,

There wasn't one knock on Landry, there were many.

One of those knocks was that he never quite "got" the coverages.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see the Skins make one bold move on the Oline. Go get Gaither or Brown. It really would make for a very good offseaon.

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of our ILBs what is up with RMac? His contract problems resolved at all?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 26, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Nope. He still hasn't signed his tender offer. IMO, he's making a pretty huge mistake. He needs to just come in and do what he can to make an impression in a contract year.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Campbell sucks. We got a better player in the 7th round.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse


That's some saavy and insightful analysis.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

LaRon's tackling technique is a funny thing.... We all complained about his lack of wrapping up, but then I remember seeing him try to do just that towards the end of the year, the guy is a worse tackler when he uses his arms than when he just does the flying spear at everyone. He shows zero arm strength when getting his arms around people.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 26, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

LL is going to take Riley under his wing? Why does this not seem like a very good idea?

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 26, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM


Yup. I'd bring him in for the right price. Crapped out in NE, but he was really good in B-more. Plus I'd bring in Sharper, John Henderson and Clint Ingram.

Now that the draft is over, it's time to go back to FA to solidify the roster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I would much rather be reading the title...

"Stephon Heyer plans on helping Bruce Campbell adjust to the NFL"

Posted by: Sports_Guru

I would like to see "INS Director to School Ariz. Gov. on profiling"

Posted by: ElYeah | April 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

LL is going to take Riley under his wing? Why does this not seem like a very good idea?

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 26, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!"


So who do we choose?

A Thomas

A Fanaca

F Adams

(?)

Moe goes with (?) as eventually, some team will slip up and release--or be willing to trade-- a younger version of one of these players.

We've added all of the older guys we need.

It's time to get younger.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

We need to pick up Adalius Thomas, who just became a free agent!

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | April 26, 2010 10:31 AM


Yup. I'd bring him in for the right price. Crapped out in NE, but he was really good in B-more. Plus I'd bring in Sharper, John Henderson and Clint Ingram.

Now that the draft is over, it's time to go back to FA to solidify the roster.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

And we're going to see more vets cut as teams go through minicamps and begin to evaluate what they got in the draft. Hopefully the 'Skins' roster reshaping isn't done yet.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 26, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

OK, the smoke is settling, the dust has cleared, blah blah blah. What positions do we still need to fill?

I think we still need to get:

- Starting FS so we can move LL to SS
- RT (Heyer sucks, Levi Jones is no better - so don't re-sign him and Hicks is a 33 year old career back up guard)
- C (sorry, no faith in Rabach...)
- ILB
- RB (I think Portis is one hit [concussion] away from retirement, so counting on him is like counting on Randy Thomas and Samuels lst year...)

What else? Kicker?

Posted by: edvar | April 26, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

John Henderson would be a good pick up. Another proven player on the Dline can't hurt.

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Adalius, no thanks, he sucked since he came to NE, not worth it.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt say he sucked, he just underachieved. Picking him up would add (veteran)depth to LB. and he can be signed for a reasonable price

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

1st rounder: Starting LT
2nd rounder: Starting QB
3rd rounder: DE Jarmon
4th rounder: ILB, much needed for 3-4
Later rounds: H-Back/Fullback, KR/PR, two depth OLinemen dudes.


*Likes*

Posted by: 4-12 | April 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Landry is going to mentor him? Oh god, that's all we need.

Posted by: heyjoe728 | April 26, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

We've added all of the older guys we need.

It's time to get younger.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse


We don't have anyone on the roster who is a solid 3-4 LB. AC's one season doing it did not go well, and Curtis Gatewood was a practice-squadder for Pitt. It would be nice to have at least one guy on the unit who knows the ins-and-outs that can play with and coach up the other guys.

We could also use some veteran depth at tackle.

Sorry Moe, we need some more old guys to help with this transition.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Look Red,

There wasn't one knock on Landry, there were many.

One of those knocks was that he never quite "got" the coverages.

Posted by: p1funk


"Look Red"? I don't know WHAT that sh*t is all about... whatever. I'll chalk it up to you not having your morning joe or whatever...


Instead of making baseless claims, how about naming some of these "many knocks"?

Poor tackling technique
Susceptible to the double move

*(it's not the same as blown coverage or checking the wrong guy, if you didn't know that)

What else you got?

I never read anywhere that Landry "never quite "got" the coverages".

The thing is you, or I, don't know what Blache was asking Landry to do. From what I gather it was making pre-snap reads for the secondary, play deep and at the same time play shallow.

How the fu_k do you expect anyone to play consistently well under those conditions?

I guess everyone needs their "Jason Campbell". Yours is obviously Laron Landry.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

several have posted that they are upset the Skins FO obtained a 2012 4th rd selection for JC.

Has it not occurred to anyone that the Raiders may have said no pick this year, but in 2011.

Is it possible the Skins FO thinking there may not be a 2011 draft was determined to not get nothing so they themselves insisted on 2012?
If so, that would be a good thing.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!"

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 26, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt say he sucked, he just underachieved. Picking him up would add (veteran)depth to LB. and he can be signed for a reasonable price

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 26, 2010 10:57 AM


Plus you can move him all over the field. Ravens played him just about everywhere but corner.

Not sure if that versatility will translate to this defense, but you gotta think a guy who could conceivably play all 4 LB spots and even some DE in a 4-3 look would have some worth here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt say he sucked, he just underachieved.

Posted by: Marley-Nowell


Or that he was simply overrated.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"We may have 2 lineman from the draft that will go right into the rotation."


We know Williams will start, but will Capers satisfy as a right tackle?

I say this because if M Williams' transitionn to guard isn't all that, moving Hicks to gaurd opens up right tackle.

So then, does Heyer or Capers or Oldenburg fit?

Or: perhaps a vet rt tackle is better than any of these options.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Ravens played him just about everywhere but corner.

4 years ago......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ravens played him just about everywhere but corner.

4 years ago......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 11:06 AM


Right...that's why I'm saying kick the tires, see if there's anything left in the tank. For a one year, incentive-laden deal I don't see where we lose if he can still play like he did in B-more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

- Starting FS so we can move LL to SS
- RT (Heyer sucks, Levi Jones is no better - so don't re-sign him and Hicks is a 33 year old career back up guard)
- C (sorry, no faith in Rabach...)
- ILB
- RB (I think Portis is one hit [concussion] away from retirement, so counting on him is like counting on Randy Thomas and Samuels lst year...)

What else? Kicker?
Posted by: edvar | April 26, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

We don't need a ILB, we drafted 1 and have 3-4 options at ILB now. (with JJ and KpO both playing OLB)

We also drafted a center who will be a project. I have a little faith in Rabach, he is good for 10 games a year and struggles in 6, but blame some of that on having to work with 11 other guys playing the RT, never knowing who is doing what so he can't call the protections correctly. If we can find a sure upgrade go for it but not like you can cut the guy.

I also think we should give Gano a shot at staying on as starting Kicker. He did great on kickoffs, was 4-4 in Field Goals and had one EP blocked. Not bad for 4 games.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Or: perhaps a vet rt tackle is better than any of these options.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 11:04 AM

I'm on the record for getting another vet OT.

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

p1funk

"Sorry...we need some more old guys to help with this transition."

I was there back when L Foote was unsigned, but the team choose not to open the bank account to get him in the house.

J Porter to me wasn't an option.

Presently, we have 12 linebackers, and need some vet help at the position.

Had Foote been signed, Riley doesn't get drafted.

I'm sure the team will find someone someplace.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Shanny and Allen drafted players they believe can make the team. From the players drafted notably this FB/TE and WR. Mike Sellers is on notice and you can never have enough fundamentaly sound blockers that will do the dirty work. WE ARE RUNNING THE BALL. WR pick is the most questionable choice at this spot. But Shanny wants to see if he can fill our special teams needs at returner and maybe we have an eddie royal type of player here, quick and versatile with good hands. What round was eddie royal picked? KEEP LANDRY! JUST PLAY HIM NEAR OR AROUND THE LINE. HE'S A WARRIOR GRUNT.

Posted by: sthai75 | April 26, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Well, I did say that Jason Campbell was not out QB of the future 3 years ago, but nobody listened.

That seemed smart then, and down right genius now.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:12 AM

========================

looking on wikipedia.org... The Skins traded Jay Schroeder for an all pro OLine guy names Jim Lachey (aka Jessica Simpson's ex father-in-law..haha..). Later turns out this was THE Steal of the Bethard/Casserly era.
So I find it hard to believe we couldnt do better than a conditional 4th round pick in 2012 for an average and serviceable QB? At least receiving a back up OT or OG would of been better than what the Skins have now.. or received in return..
Obviously the Skins unloaded JC as an act of desperation so they didnt have to release him, outright before camp started. Got to believe Snyder put pressure on BA or MS for that move.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse
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If they could have gotten a better deal then they would have taken it. Nobody wasn't offering up anything, and The Redskins can blame Snyder/Cerratto for that. They shorted Jason's stock by trying to ship him out for the past two years. If Santonio Holmes got traded for a fifth round pick and he's a SB MVP, you know Campbell is going to get a high pick nor a quality player in exchange. Just be happy we got something, because this time next week he just would have been released.

Posted by: clark202 | April 26, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but quoting guys who played with certain rookies in college yields the same 'ol same 'ol. That's like asking a parent if their kid is smart...he's gotta be a career f*ck up for the parent to say anything other than the affirmative.

They're just hammering home the obvious, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26

Maybe it's just some sort of pet peeve with you, but I don't see anything wrong with a former college teammate giving props to a player coming into the pros. The press asks about the guy, so what are they supposed to say? That he's a piece of sh*t?

No one is saying that Kelly's or Landry's "endorsements" puts the guy they're giving props to in the Hall. To put any stock in these endorsements is foolish.

It's just an old teammate and in some cases friend "talking up" a dude coming into the league.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Moe goes with (?) as eventually, some team will slip up and release--or be willing to trade-- a younger version of one of these players.

We've added all of the older guys we need.

It's time to get younger.

Posted by MistaMoe

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Unfortunately the overwhelming mentality in the fanbase and in ownership is that we need to just keep reloading with castoffs and don't wants and try to make another run at a division title. IT's a formula for disaster, but don't try to talk any sense into these people, they'll always think we're 2-3 players away.

Snyderatto has pretty much hosed this team for the news few years. Why not go younger and build it right?

Posted by: HawksPride | April 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

several have posted that they are upset the Skins FO obtained a 2012 4th rd selection for JC.

Has it not occurred to anyone that the Raiders may have said no pick this year, but in 2011.

Is it possible the Skins FO thinking there may not be a 2011 draft was determined to not get nothing so they themselves insisted on 2012?
If so, that would be a good thing.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 11:01 AM |
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Al Davis checked his Mayan calendar and insisted on 2012.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

If Riley wants to get out of hanging around with Landry, I know a move he can use to lose him....

Posted by: scoot21 | April 26, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Man, all the positivity from RedD is making my head spin!... or that could be my hangover...

I don't think you can expect too much from a draft w/ this few pics. I mean, if Williams comes out as a decent starter for 5 years we should be really happy. Anything else at this point is gravy given how hosed we were from the git-go this off season.

Now, maybe someone will step up & grab stompy for a load of futures.. that would be nice... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 26, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Why not go younger and build it right?"



That's how I see it.

It would be better to suffer the growing pains of younger players now, than the outrageous collapse of a vet who might not be on the team in tow-three seasons.

But we could use a rt and ilb/olb type player.

Where they'll come from?: who knows?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Im pretty sure the Ravens used AD at corner once or twice. Not sure why he didnt live up to his billing in NE, playing wrong position? What was he Greg, ILB? OLB?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 26, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Instead of making baseless claims, how about naming some of these "many knocks"?

Poor tackling technique
Susceptible to the double move

*(it's not the same as blown coverage or checking the wrong guy, if you didn't know that)

What else you got?

I never read anywhere that Landry "never quite "got" the coverages".

The thing is you, or I, don't know what Blache was asking Landry to do. From what I gather it was making pre-snap reads for the secondary, play deep and at the same time play shallow.

How the fu_k do you expect anyone to play consistently well under those conditions?

I guess everyone needs their "Jason Campbell". Yours is obviously Laron Landry.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse


Well, you've gone ahead and listed several of them:

-poor tackling

-biting on double moves which, for a safety, ABSOLUTELY has to do with understanding coverages b/c you have to understand when you can afford to be aggressive and when you can't

-doesn't play with discipline

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/grays-tale-of-2-dbs-and-double.html

So we've got a safety on our hands who is a whiffy tackler, poor in coverage and not very disciplined.

Last year LaRon Landry regressed. He didn't just "play out of position", he flat-out SUCKED.

If this guy didn't have big muscles and wasn't picked 6th overall, there's no way people would be defending him the way they do.

But you're right. People up here need their "Jason Campbell".

People up here need to find reasons to defend guys that don't get the job done; people up here have their pet players that they will always look at through rose-colored glasses.

And your is Laron Landry.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

va, they played him outside, and inside....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey Folks,
Any word on if Faneca has expressed where he might like to go?

Would he want to go to a team that was 4-12 last year or maybe a contender?
He is moving toward the latter part of his career.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"April 26th, 1992,
there was a riot on the streets,
tell me where were you?
You were sittin' home watchin' your TV,
while I was paticipatin' in some anarchy.

First spot we hit it was my liqour store.
I finally got all that alcohol I can't afford.
With red lights flashin' time to retire,
And then we turned that liquor store into a structure fire.

Next stop we hit it was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop.
Finally we got our own p.a.
Where do you think I got this guitar that you're hearing today?
Hey!"

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 26, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

People up here need to find reasons to defend guys that don't get the job done; people up here have their pet players that they will always look at through rose-colored glasses.

And your is Laron Landry.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 11:30 AM


And yours is Albert Haynesworth.

Bottom line is it's hard to find the good in a team that goes 4-12. Some guys play well, some don't. Let's just get to 2010 and hope things improve big time.

I know I'm looking forward to pressing "delete" on 2009 from my memory...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Faneca:
an awful lot of games played-- 190
185 games started

The Jets feel they are on the verge to contend for the Super Bowl, and for the Jets to simply cut Faneca?

Perhaps team doctors should be consulted?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

LaRon Landry is going to have a big, big year...and there will be more to come after this season. The coaches love him, and they're going to really use his talents the way they should've been employed all along.

Posted by: Carl739 | April 26, 2010 10:18 AM

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I think so too. The reason he had an awful year is because he's playing at FS, he's skills and talent are at SS. Now that he can be a SS full time. He should flourish.

New team. New attitude. Let's go Skins. Hope we have a great season, (since we might not have a football next year, dang)

Posted by: datruth21 | April 26, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Alan Faneca was released by the Jets. Part ways with Rhinhart or BMW and go pick this guy up post-hast.

Posted by: brianearman | April 26, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully LaRon won't be giving any tackling tips.

Posted by: 44fx290 | April 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

He plays Teams & is a good PR/KR... Team captain of UCLA... good character guy... what's not to like about the pick?


Posted by: tony325

His weight. Needs to bulk up to at least 180. He's listed at 172, which probably mneans at 5'll he's acgtualy in the 160 ish range.

But if he can muscle up and retain speed, this kid could be a great find.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

-biting on double moves which, for a safety, ABSOLUTELY has to do with understanding coverages b/c you have to understand when you can afford to be aggressive and when you can't

Posted by: p1funk


Well even though you're the consummate expert on NFL secondary play, I'll go out on a limb here and plainly state that you're WRONG.

Sorry.

"Biting" on the double move has nothing to do with aggressiveness. It's a mental lapse. "Do I get in position to make a play on the ball or receiver?" or "Allow a big gain and attempt to make a solid tackle?" -- are the thoughts that lead to a double move.

Landry over aggression is visible when he tries to make a tackle.

His tackling technique has sh*t to do with his coverage skills. But go ahead and try to make them both the same to drive home your anti-Landry bias if you like.

If you would actually take note on what I got to say about different players on the team, I view them through anything BUT rose-colored glasses. I've been critical on Landry on a bunch of occasions and have stated that this is his "make or break" year. I've always been fair and honest when accessing these players.

p1, we can make a deal: I'll take off my rose-colored glasses when you take off your "I hate Laron Landry because he didn't give me his autograph" t-shirt.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse


And Fat Albert is going to take in Marques Slocum, FA DT from Eastern Arizona & teach him how to be an overweight, gluttonous sloth incapable of running the 40 or 20 or 10!

Instead, Mr. Slocum will make the team because Fat Albert will absorb the young man's body into his, creating a freakish villainous super hero akin to Superman's kryptonite. Fat Albert will win the battle with the Shanahan's because he will eat both Mike and Kyle.

Posted by: duh2mag | April 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Alan Faneca was released by the Jets. Part ways with Rhinhart or BMW and go pick this guy up post-hast.

Posted by: brianearman | April 26, 2010 11:44 AM

Isn't this like re-visiting the ghosts of the past? Faneca will want to be paid top $$ and he's played a bunch of games in the past. How many more years does he have? I wouldn't rush into this decision at all.

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

For those of you disappointed with our draft, you need to realize that we aren't going to find all of the rebuilding pieces in one draft. Bruce Campbell may have "won the combine", but his game tape indicated serious weakness that facilitated his drop on draft weekend.

Secondly, congratulations sports_guru, you wanna cookie? Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, and there's no indication whatsoever that we could have at any point gotten a first rounder in return for him. I wasn't exactly sold on him when we gave up so much to go and get him in the first round.

Third, you'll start to see a lot of veteran talent get cut and I hope we don't go overboard when we break out the checkbook. Faneca, Flozell, John Henderson, Adalius, Clint Ingram, and Chris Hovan are all worth a look at, but I'm on board the youth movement and I wouldn't wanna get handcuffed to any of these guys.

Finally, Jason Campbell is a dead horse and his ship has sailed; a 2012 4th rounder is better than cutting him. Dennis Morris and Terrence Austin DO fill needs. The same people who were complaining about Randle-El circling back 5 yards and toppling over are the same ones criticizing this pick. Sellars is getting up there in years, and with Yoder no longer with us, Dennis Morris fills the FB/Blocking TE/ H-Back role beautifully.

Shanahan/Allen know what they are doing. Vinny Cerrato is gone. We have a GM. We have the coaches/leadership/system to compete and win. Grow up, be patient, and stop whining.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 26, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"His (T Austin) weight. Needs to bulk up to at least 180. He's listed at 172, which probably mneans at 5'll he's acgtualy in the 160 ish range."

Terrence Austin

Height: 5-11 Weight: 172

DeSean Jackson

Height: 5-10 Weight: 175


Not to say that Austin is Jackson, but if Jackson can make plays at 170 pounds, why can't Austin?

He doesn't need to put on weight.

He needs coaches who have a specific plan for using him in the offense.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Seeing all of the games Faneca has played, does this remind anyone else of the Pete Kendall situation?

Should we or is he on the down-hill slide

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Alan Faneca was released by the Jets. Part ways with Rhinhart or BMW and go pick this guy up post-hast.

Posted by: brianearman | April 26, 2010 11:44 AM


Hate to shoot down a great use of the term "post-haste", but perhaps it would be wise to see if the guy fits in a zone blocking scheme before blowing up the depth chart at guard to accomodate him. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Faneca will be an Oiler...book it.

Laron Landry is better than he played last season, and proved it the seasons leading up. The team was a clusterlovemaking last season, and I think players were used in ways that unduly exposed them and the coaching was abysmal.

He can still live up to the hype, still very young. To call him an Archeletta at this point is unfair.

But yes if he continues to be mediocre to bad this season than a judgement about him as a bust would be fair.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

You listed his "discipline" issues (good job, bud!) but failed to back the "never quite got the coverages" claim.


Still waiting on that source that cites Landry "never quite got the coverages".

And no. Your own personal anti-bias doesn't count.

Matter of fact, save it. It shouldn't surprise me that you only list sources and conjure up facts without any substantiation to back up your negative bullsh*t.

Keep it pimpin', son...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Um I mean Texan...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Riley can show Landry how to tackle??

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | April 26, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Riley will teach Landry how to tackle??

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | April 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL CL...way to date yourself, dude.

At least you didn't call the Jets the Titans...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Landry needs a BFF on the team. Maybe he will realize he needs to set the example, stop free lancing, wrap when he tackles, etc....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

At least you didn't call the Jets the Titans...

Posted by: brownwood26
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Or the KC Chiefs the Dallas Texans!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"At least you didn't call the Jets the Titans..."


.....or the redskins the 'braves'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Sure it's fun to poke fun at Lando - it's also too easy.

If he were the only guy woefully out of position, then it would be entirely valid. But his failures were indicative of the mess that the D had become more than a true measure of his abilities.

Maybe he's not an all-pro. But I don't think anyone is actually as bad as they looked last season. At least not the starters.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 26, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

-biting on double moves which, for a safety, ABSOLUTELY has to do with understanding coverages b/c you have to understand when you can afford to be aggressive and when you can't

Posted by: p1funk

If I could just add Mr. Lombardi, the defensive line (pass rushers) can shoulder some of the blame when the defense gets burned on a double move.

Posted by: mack1 | April 26, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this Selvish Capers lad is a 7th round sleeper. Been watching some highlights, and I he can be good.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 26, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I dunno, all these later-round guys look like developmental players to me. One possible exception: the kick returner. I think they were hoping the LB and the FB would be of value on special teams, as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"At least you didn't call the Jets the Titans..."


.....or the redskins the 'braves'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 12:07 PM

....or the 'Packers' the 'Packers'? damn meat industry.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

or the burgundy and gold the maroon and black.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this Selvish Capers lad is a 7th round sleeper.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 26, 2010 12:10 PM

Hopefully not in the sense that Fred Davis was a 2nd round sleeper.

Posted by: League-Source | April 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

It's not Landry's fault that he was forced into the Free Safety spot. It is Landry's fault that he celebrates every tackle.

He should have a big year closer to the LOS.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 26, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Who knew!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4C3xzLmkYc

The "Mannings" of the OLine..

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 26, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I know the chances are slim, but Shanny knows how to pick O linemen. He's gotta be better than Heyer.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 26, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

samson151

"...all these later-round guys look like developmental players to me."

I'd say this any year but this one.

So many kids are leaving school early to beat a possible rookie wage scale in 2011 (if there is a draft) that even some of the undrafted types would be round 5, 6, 7 picks but for the influx of talent.

And if we are lucky, we might find a gem or two in the players we've added.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

You can netflix "Jaws" and I highly recommend it. The original version of "The Thing" is a bit outdated these days, but still had a masterful approach to suspense..

The great suspense directors knew what you cannot see is scarier than what is standing in front of you dripping ooze.

Sure eventaully, you always see the monster, but like sex, the buildup is a very important part of the process.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM

I have seen Jaws, scared the crap out of me when I was younger. I lived in San Diego and suffered through the nights before I knew we were going to the beach.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I.m also disapointed about not getting bruce c. our o=line coach supposed to be one of the best in the business.and why would LL helping him adjust to life in the nfl be bad. he's not saying he's going to help him on the field just off. and Haslett will get LL back to his strengths with is ss.

Posted by: dakel76 | April 26, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I have seen Jaws, scared the crap out of me when I was younger. I lived in San Diego and suffered through the nights before I knew we were going to the beach.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse
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I always thought Jaws would have made a killer MST3K episode.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams seriously considered to start at right guard? Thought his size was going to be a hinderence. Not the most athletic body type?

Posted by: sthai75 | April 26, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams seriously considered to start at right guard? Thought his size was going to be a hinderence. Not the most athletic body type?

Posted by: sthai75 | April 26, 2010 12:33 PM |

From what I've heard he has trimmed down and muscled up he will be fine at Guard.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Riley can teach Laron how to cover and tackle?

Posted by: AsstGM | April 26, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Or the Phoenix Cardinals the Arizona Cardinals, or the St Louis Cardinals or the Chicago Cardinals!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams seriously considered to start at right guard? Thought his size was going to be a hinderence. Not the most athletic body type?

Posted by: sthai75 | April 26, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse
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He was a T, but now his size makes him more suited for G, where he'll be taking on more beefcake than he would on the edge. Word on the street is he still has fairly decent footwork for a big man, so he might turn into a decent guard before it's all said and done.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

No problem is LL wants to teach him the plays. Just don't start teaching him how to "tackle". That would be like Rogers teaching a young DB how to defend against he double move.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Hate to shoot down a great use of the term "post-haste", but perhaps it would be wise to see if the guy fits in a zone blocking scheme before blowing up the depth chart at guard to accomodate him. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

. . . Not to mention watch some tape of the guy from last year to make sure he can still play, which the Jets thought he couldn't.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 26, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

You can netflix "Jaws" and I highly recommend it. The original version of "The Thing" is a bit outdated these days, but still had a masterful approach to suspense..

The great suspense directors knew what you cannot see is scarier than what is standing in front of you dripping ooze.

Sure eventaully, you always see the monster, but like sex, the buildup is a very important part of the process.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM

2009 season still ranks among the horror masterpieces...

but like 'The Shining' and 'The Exorcist' best for creepiness and scare value, Hitchcock for suspense and artistry.

calves running around the barnyard often means that buildup is sacrificed for efficiency.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I was a little frustrated with the draft initially after taking a look at what we got I am happy with our picks. I think Capers could be a steal in the 7th this guy was projected around the 3-4th round. He also fits Shanahans zone blocking scheme that utilizes big athletic linemen.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

And yours is Albert Haynesworth.

Bottom line is it's hard to find the good in a team that goes 4-12. Some guys play well, some don't. Let's just get to 2010 and hope things improve big time.

I know I'm looking forward to pressing "delete" on 2009 from my memory...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 26, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse


My take on AH:

1) bad contract, no way he lives up to it under any circumstances

2) Shame that he doesn't work harder to stay in better shape or isn't a lockerroom leader

3) gets the job done on the field better than the vast majority of D-Tackles in the league, makes his teammates better

4) With the $$ we've spent, it would be ludicrously stupid to trade him cheap just b/c he's not at voluntary workouts


Does this seem overly rosy to you?
Is this excuse-making?

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Adalius Thomas cut. Wonder if we'll take a flyer.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

He was a T, but now his size makes him more suited for G, where he'll be taking on more beefcake than he would on the edge. Word on the street is he still has fairly decent footwork for a big man, so he might turn into a decent guard before it's all said and done.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 12:39 PM

Big Mike is my kind of cow. I like that he was out of the game, but seems to have rededicated himself. it's a nice back story, hoping he can make it happen.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

but like sex, the buildup is a very important part of the process.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM

Is TheCork a girl? Buildup, schmildup. Why waste your time and hers?

Posted by: League-Source | April 26, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Adalius Thomas cut. Wonder if we'll take a flyer.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:44 PM |

We have outside LB's and if we want them to play and get better there is no need to bring in this guy.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Big Mike is my kind of cow. I like that he was out of the game, but seems to have rededicated himself. it's a nice back story, hoping he can make it happen.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse
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If he starts this year and does ok, Derrick Dockery should get a bonus for bringing him in.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Who are our OLB's?

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

That's some saavy and insightful analysis.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Just watch Bruce Campbell's film. Anyone who likes the guy is either a bigtime Maryland homer or someone who's overly obsessed with combine performance.

Capers is also a project since he's relatively new to the position. But even with that limited experience his game time performance is much more impressive than Campbell's.


Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see what Chris Wilson can do rather than bring in Adalius Thomas.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If he starts this year and does ok, Derrick Dockery should get a bonus for bringing him in.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 12:49 PM

yeah, the whole thing was interesting, and I was skeptical at the time.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Who are our OLB's?

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse


Right now, Orakpo, Carter, Wilson, Jarmon

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Another good pickup

Erik Cook Center New Mexico
6'7 315

College Awards
Most Valuable Offensive Player
Most Valuable Player
Most Valuable Lineman
first-team All-Mountain West honors in 2009 by allowing one sack and drawing one penalty all season

played in a zone blocking scheme at New Mexico played 3 different positions on the line in college

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 26, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Sharper would work fine in Haslett's D. Go get him to start at FS.

Move Laron to SS. Sign Faneca for RG. Sign Gaither, Brown, Adams, or Jones (in that order of preference) for RT.

Skip Adelius Thomas. He's overrated, older, and we have a slew of talent in our LB corps; Haslett just needs to best figure out how to line them up in different schemes.

As far as our draft... I'm really liking what the FO did with what they had available. It's a big change from recent past years.

I see Riley, Cook, and Capers making the practice squad. Williams and D-Mo should both make the team with TW being a starter, for sure and D-Mo being a strong special teamer and some Offensive contributions.

Austin will either make it as our PR and/or KR or will be cut. It was worth the gamble because, on tape, he looks like a guy that can create a lot of open field missed tackles. Plus, he's so little, not only can he run through the legs of would-be tacklers, he will only need a kid's meal on the team plane rides, thus saving the team money to help in other players' contracts.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | April 26, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

JJ is 6'3 275 he's going to play OLB?

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I have never seen Jarmon listed as a 3/4 LB under new management....I think they think he can still play DE.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Or Yusuf Islam Cat Stevens.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 26, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Or Yusuf Islam Cat Stevens.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 26, 2010 1:01 PM

can you confirm that?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I've heard Jarmon was losing weight to play OLB in the 3-4. He doesn't have the strength to play end in this scheme.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

We have a bunch of guys that could go DE or LB it seems, including:

Orakpo, C Wilson, Rob Jackson, & A Carter.

Gatewood was signed from the Stillers practice squad also, but he's most likely camp fodder.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

but like sex, the buildup is a very important part of the process.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2010 10:22 AM

Is TheCork a girl? Buildup, schmildup. Why waste your time and hers?

Posted by: League-Source | April 26, 2010 12:46 PM
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Foreplay in WVa? "Hey sis, you awake?"

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 26, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay Red,

Since you didn;t even click on the link, I'll go ahead and provide the quote for you:

"He's going through a learning process," Gray said of Landry. "The guy was All-American strong safety, great player, really aggressive. Now you're playing free [safety], which is more cunning. You've got to be really thinking in that position. And that's the thing he has to do. He has to learn to more passive, rather than aggressive at free safety."

"It just depends on how fast he takes a look at what he's doing," Gray said. "Like I said, this year is going to be a big learning curve for him. When he gets a chance to look at the end of the season, say, 'Okay, what did I do the last four games to stop the bleeding at what happened in the three games prior to that? Now, when they run a double-cut, is he back where he's supposed to be?"


If you don't see the links here between Landry needing to learn the FS position and Landry needing to understand his role in the coverages and Landry being too aggressive, then I'm just at a loss.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

JJ is 6'3 275 he's going to play OLB?

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 12:59 PM
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Did you ever hear of a guy named Levon Kirkland?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I saw Carter play LB. It's why he left the 49'ers and now he's 4 years older. That is going to be a problem position all year.

If he's cheap I'll take him. He plays the position, knows the scheme and is a good stopgap while the 4-3 boys learn the ropes.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one, but I personally think Chris Wilson would be a better ILB than an OLB.
I think he would be very adept at pursuing down the line, and tackling on the run from sideline to sideline.

Personally I think Chris Wilson would be a good MLB in a 4-3

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If you don't see the links here between Landry needing to learn the FS position and Landry needing to understand his role in the coverages and Landry being too aggressive, then I'm just at a loss.


Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:12 PM |

Landry doesn't need to learn the FS position, and never should have been put there in the first place.

He is a SS and will be put there by the new coaches, you will see a big difference in his play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling for a front seven of Carriker DE, Golston NT, Haynesworth DE, Orakpo OLB, Fletcher ILB, McIntosh ILB, and Carter OLB.

A lotta talent there. Not that talent means production, but if we can't get it done with that group, we might as well join the AFL.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

We have a bunch of guys that could go DE or LB it seems, including:

Orakpo, C Wilson, Rob Jackson, & A Carter.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:10 PM

Don't forget about Lorenzo Alexander

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sure did Redskinhead. He was a great Inside Linebacker. Sorry I missed your point please explain.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Does Darryl Clark have a chance at taking the 3rd string QB job from Colt Brennan.

Adam Schefter believes Bucs will release DT Chris Hovan later today. I think he would be a great fit.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Landry doesn't need to learn the FS position, and never should have been put there in the first place.

He is a SS and will be put there by the new coaches, you will see a big difference in his play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:16 PM
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I'm all for this, but then, who plays free safety? Horton and Doughty are both strong safeties. Kareem Moore just hasn't risen to the challenge. I like the idea of moving Landry to SS but the only thing I can come up with for FS is to move Carlos Rogers in there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

you look at all these guys, and over and over versatility comes to mind, guys can play, and have played MULTIPLE positions...there is a coach up here in NE who covets cats like that....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for this, but then, who plays free safety? Horton and Doughty are both strong safeties. Kareem Moore just hasn't risen to the challenge. I like the idea of moving Landry to SS but the only thing I can come up with for FS is to move Carlos Rogers in there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:20 PM

ack! that won't work... and this is why I think some FA competition for FS is needed. stay tuned?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I saw Carter play LB. It's why he left the 49'ers and now he's 4 years older. That is going to be a problem position all year.

If he's cheap I'll take him. He plays the position, knows the scheme and is a good stopgap while the 4-3 boys learn the ropes.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Haslett has already said that he wouldn't be used in the same way he was used in San Francisco. Both he and Orakpo will be primary pass rushers and not asked to do much in coverage.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

LL should play SS to be sure. He should also tackle using his arms. Doesn't matter if he plays close to the line of scrimmage or far away in that regard.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for this, but then, who plays free safety? Horton and Doughty are both strong safeties. Kareem Moore just hasn't risen to the challenge. I like the idea of moving Landry to SS but the only thing I can come up with for FS is to move Carlos Rogers in there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:20 PM |

Who cares none of them could be as bad as LL was at it. Pick a vet up or start one of the younger guys, if we want the team to get younger then we have to play young guys. Teams all over the NFL start young guys thats the only way they will learn.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

He is a SS and will be put there by the new coaches, you will see a big difference in his play.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse


I hope so, and pray to God teams don't try to pick on him in the passing game.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about Lorenzo Alexander

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse
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Too late! (I did forget). But to be fair, Lozo defies categorization. He's played OL, DL, LB... we could probably have him run some wildcat, kick some field-goals, give Carlos Rogers a breater...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Haslett has already said that he wouldn't be used in the same way he was used in San Francisco. Both he and Orakpo will be primary pass rushers and not asked to do much in coverage.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 1:23 PM |

Agreed there are many forms of the 3-4, how many times has anyone seen Suggs cover someone?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Personally I think Chris Wilson would be a good MLB in a 4-3."


I'd rather have a middle linebacker playing middle linebacker than a defensive end playing middle linebacker.

And the reverse is true in both instances.

We need to plan for the guy who takes over once Fletcher slows down--he will eventually--and using an out of position player to that might not be a smart idea.

I'm sure that such a player will come from somewhere--but not from the defensive end spot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Sure did Redskinhead. He was a great Inside Linebacker. Sorry I missed your point please explain.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM
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Just saying that a guy that big can play linebacker - either inside or out, dependent on the scheme. Kirkland was moved around a lot: he played inside and outside. You might recall he intercepted a few passes when back in coverage which is just insane when you're talking about a guy that big. I'm not saying that JJ is Levon Kirkland, but I think his size shouldn't limit him. Heck, they want Lorenzo Alexander to play linebacker as well, and this one made me scratch my head until I started thinking about Haslett's background. He was with the Steelers when Kirkland was there. There's a method to his madness.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of moving Landry to SS but the only thing I can come up with for FS is to move Carlos Rogers in there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Carlos fancies himself a #1 starting CB, and expects to get paid like one after this season.

Bottom line: No way he moves to FS.

We're more likely to see AH line up at NT every down.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling for a front seven of Carriker DE, Golston NT, Haynesworth DE, Orakpo OLB, Fletcher ILB, McIntosh ILB, and Carter OLB.

Posted by: mattsoundworld
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Hey Matt,
I just can't see Andre Carter as an OLB.
Personally, I think HB Blades is one of the better tacklers on the Skins. I think he would be a much better LB than Carter.

Lorenzo Alexander is supposed to be a LB now as well. I thought he could play DE in a 3-4, so what do I know, right?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I hope so, and pray to God teams don't try to pick on him in the passing game.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:24 PM |

Well better they pick on him going short over the middle then deep for 6.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Well better they pick on him going short over the middle then deep for 6.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:28 PM

indeed.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 26, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Too late! (I did forget). But to be fair, Lozo defies categorization. He's played OL, DL, LB... we could probably have him run some wildcat, kick some field-goals, give Carlos Rogers a breater...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse


Not sure what that last word in your post was, but if you meant to say that we could use L-Zo to "give Carlos Rogers a beatdown...", then I second that idea.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, I did say that Jason Campbell was not out QB of the future 3 years ago, but nobody listened.

That seemed smart then, and down right genius now.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:12 AM


What would have really been genius is if you could have predicted there would be 3 different head coaches in that span.

Any predicition on the over/under for Shanahan?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling for a front seven of Carriker DE, Golston NT, Haynesworth DE, Orakpo OLB, Fletcher ILB, McIntosh ILB, and Carter OLB.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM

1st and 2nd downs, esp. before the 50 yard line:

(weak to strong ->) Daniels-Kemoeatu-Hayneworth
(weak to strong ->) Orakpo-McIntosh-Fletcher-Carter

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of moving Landry to SS but the only thing I can come up with for FS is to move Carlos Rogers in there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Carlos fancies himself a #1 starting CB, and expects to get paid like one after this season.

Bottom line: No way he moves to FS.

We're more likely to see AH line up at NT every down.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:26 PM
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I think CR has as much to say about it as Haynesworth has about playing nose tackle. Last I heard from CR, he was drinking the kool-aid and ready to do whatever it takes to help the team win.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

RSH,

I remember the big deal about A. Thomas a few years ago was how big he was and still able to play OLB. They called him a "freak". JJ would be 2 inches taller and 10 lbs heavier.

Sure you'll always have instances of guys who "can" do it. But that's like saying virtually any guy in the NBA can play point guard because Magic Johnson did.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

hope dirty does not teach him that out of bounds hitting move.

Posted by: DLESMonday | April 26, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Carlos fancies himself a #1 starting CB, and expects to get paid like one after this season.

Bottom line: No way he moves to FS.

We're more likely to see AH line up at NT every down.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:26 PM |

Rogers may fancie himself as a #1 corner but he's not, and I guarantee theres not one team in the NFL that will pay him to be.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt,
I just can't see Andre Carter as an OLB.
....

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse
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I'm a fan of getting your best players on the field, so they may very well have to adjust some things, but all I'm saying is that if you can get those 7 guys on the field at once...? Beast mode!

PS to an P1 - that word was 'breather', but it would be funny as 'beat down' too

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Right...that's why I'm saying kick the tires, see if there's anything left in the tank. For a one year, incentive-laden deal I don't see where we lose if he can still play like he did in B-more.

Posted by: brownwood26 |


Agreed...I would take a look at him and Hovan. I wish we would have had the ammunition to trade for Leon Washington...

As long as T. Williams plays well and we have a strong committe on the Right side, I think we have to focus on LBs

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

As long as T. Williams plays well and we have a strong committe on the Right side, I think we have to focus on LBs

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 26, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse
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I'm afraid if T Will goes down or busts, we will be right back in 2009-land.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"We're more likely to see AH line up at NT every down."


I think I'd rather use AH as a right de in 3-4 looks (Orakpo as de opposite) and Kemo as NT.

We could also experiment with '46 bear' fronts with AH, Kemo, and Golston lining up over guard/tackle gaps where they take an upfield rush to seek and destroy.

Overall, I like the sudden versitility and number of players we know have along the defensive line.

My hope is that we have the 'backers to play with them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I hope so, and pray to God teams don't try to pick on him in the passing game.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:24 PM |

Well better they pick on him going short over the middle then deep for 6.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 26, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse


Of course that's assuming LL30 makes the tackle...

Whatever, my take on LL30 is out there and I'm weary of repeating it as much as some folks are probably weary of hearing it.

I fear that LL30's lack of coverage abilities has been exposed 3 years into his career. NFL coaches make a nice living by identifying and exploiting the weaknesses of other players much like they did with Adam Archuleta, who suddenly went from being the richest SS in the history of the NFL to being the punter's personal protector to being off the team.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt,
Appreciate your ability to disagree and still have dialog, unlike some of our insecure posters.

So, you don't see HB Blades as a good tackler? I really think he would be a good guy to have out there in a 3-4.

I actually think Chris Wilson will move better than Andre Carter as an OLB, but again, I envision him running sideline to sideline running down people as an ILB.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Rogers is better than people in DC give him credit for. Yeah, his hands suck but he's in the right position to make those kinds of plays a lot. If he catches those passes that hit him in the hands he would've gone to a pro-bowl by now.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Landry doesn't need to learn the FS position, and never should have been put there in the first place.

He is a SS and will be put there by the new coaches, you will see a big difference in his play.

Posted by: Flounder21

Well I guess this makes your Landry playing FS rant moot, huh, p1funk?

Bottom line is last year was Landry's second year playing a position that he never played before. HELL, he never played a full season at his natural STRONG SAFETY position in the NFL. Not to mention that he's just entering his fourth season.

But yeah, let's just trade the bastard and be done with it since p1 has determined that Laron Landry is the 2nd coming of Roy Williams... even though him and Laron Landry aren't even close to the same athletic set... ufb, for real....

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So, you don't see HB Blades as a good tackler? I really think he would be a good guy to have out there in a 3-4.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse
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I have no problems with Blades as a player, but I do think that Carter is probably the better athlete.

That's where I'm hoping that the coaches don't just say, 'Ok Websters Dictionary says a 3-4 linebacker should be doing [this], and therefore you'd be doing this' and figure out a way to get our 7 best players out on the field.

But Blades is a natural baller. I like him for depth and possibly Fletchers replacement when the time comes (similar size, height, & smarts).

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt,
Agreed regarding HB Blades.... good tackler.

Hey, what do you know about Jarmon?
They were trying to beef up Jarmon, and now he is going to be a OLB?

Wouldn't he be a better ILB?

Andre Carter?
Probably gets cut later, what do you think?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what do you know about Jarmon?
They were trying to beef up Jarmon, and now he is going to be a OLB?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

No. Your inside linebackers in a 3-4 roam the field and are expected to cover. Outside linebackers are pass rushers. Jarmon wouldn't be a fit for the interior linebacker positions. Neither would Wilson.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I think I'd rather use AH as a right de in 3-4 looks (Orakpo as de opposite) and Kemo as NT.

We could also experiment with '46 bear' fronts with AH, Kemo, and Golston lining up over guard/tackle gaps where they take an upfield rush to seek and destroy.

Overall, I like the sudden versitility and number of players we know have along the defensive line.

My hope is that we have the 'backers to play with them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse


In my humble ignorant unprofessional opinion...

I hope the coaching staff is watching tape of the way Zona uses Darnell Dockett.

As a 3-4 DE, I think AH could do everything that cat can do, and then some.

Posted by: p1funk | April 26, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Andre Carter? Probably gets cut later, what do you think?"


I'm wondering if you cut a guy who got 11 sacks.

I dunno.

I'm also wondering how Carter, Carriker, Jackson, Wilson, Jarmon, Daniels, Wilson are all going to play defensive end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

No OLB's in a 3-4 do cover. They don't just rush the passer. The benefit of the 3-4 defense has to do with making it harder for a QB/Center to make reads at the line of scrimmage because the OLB's can blitz in or drop in coverage.

It also has benefits against the WCO.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm also wondering how Carter, Carriker, Jackson, Wilson, Jarmon, Daniels, Wilson are all going to play defensive end.

Posted by: MistaMoe
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Precisely.
All those guys can't play and I'm wondering if MS and BA can't get something for him, if they will cut him.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Adam Archuleta = Roy Williams = Laron Landry

... in other news 1+1=3

Posted by: RedDMV | April 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm also wondering how Carter, Carriker, Jackson, Wilson, Jarmon, Daniels, Wilson are all going to play defensive end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Only Carriker and Daniels on your list, would play end in a 3-4. Both of those guys would probably rotate on the same side. With Haynesworth and Golston on the other.

Rob Jackson is probably an odd man out.

Wilson and Carter will be playing OLB.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Did you ever hear of a guy named Levon Kirkland?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010

Kirkland? Played for Costco, right?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 26, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, I did say that Jason Campbell was not out QB of the future 3 years ago, but nobody listened.

That seemed smart then, and down right genius now.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 26, 2010 10:12 AM

I said you were about as dumb as a brick about 3 years ago too. Nobody listened.

That seemed smart then, and down right genius now.

Thats kind of like predicting that Jim Zorn would be fired. Did not take a rocket scientist to figure out JC was not going to last when they started shopping for a QB last year. Some Genius.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 26, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey I need to run guys, I'll close w/ this:
JC was going to have to be cut and our FO got a 4th Rd pick for JC.
That is good in my book, not bad.
Good day

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

People are way too hard on Landry. He was asked to play a position he was not drafted for because Zorn, Blache, and Cerrato were foolish. As Landry has said recently he is going back to SS. Where he can dominate! Do not blame Landry for being used incorrectly. It's not like he was not trying his best.

Landry will have a pro bowl year this season. The Skins just need to find a solid FS to play next to him.

I am happy to see him taking on this leadership role. That's a great sign for this team. A lot more teamwork then in the past. Does anyone notice this stuff or you just love to bash so much?

Posted by: Mike4169 | April 26, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

No OLB's in a 3-4 do cover. They don't just rush the passer. The benefit of the 3-4 defense has to do with making it harder for a QB/Center to make reads at the line of scrimmage because the OLB's can blitz in or drop in coverage.

It also has benefits against the WCO.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I know they also cover, but that's not their primary function. Demarcus Ware does drop into coverage, but he's rushing the passer the majority of the time.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 26, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"As a 3-4 DE, I think AH could do everything that cat can do, and then some."

Especially if he's the right side defensive end.

He gets pressure right up in the quarterback's face, thus flushing him towards Orakpo from the other side.

He'll stuff any running action coming his way.

Then, when you shift into a 4-3 look, he's back at tackle.

How can you lose with the stuff we use?

And we should plan to use AH like the cards do D Dockett and the 'boys J Ratliff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

psp's Weekend recap:

* Loved the draft. Got one stud OL, 2 developmental OL, a developmental ILB, KR/PR, and a TE/FB/HBack hybrid. Not much to argue about -- except maybe the TE/FB -- especially considering we were only supposed to conclude this draft with 4 selections.

I can see an excellent year forthcoming for these skins. I know some are constantly skeptical of the perpetual optimism with the passing offseasons, but this is the league that sees immediate turnarounds more often than any other sport. Just 2 years ago, this was an 8-8 team, and 3 years ago a 9-7 team. Last year was abysmal, but with upgrades at the HC, OC, QB, RB, OL, and DL (not to mention organizationally, strength and conditioning, offseason training, etc.) I can easily see a turnaround to the 2008-2009 success. And I can also see much more than that.

Some people viewed it this as an unsalvageable situation, that it couldn't be turned around in a year

My guess is these people will be singing a different tune in 2011.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

RSH,

I remember the big deal about A. Thomas a few years ago was how big he was and still able to play OLB. They called him a "freak". JJ would be 2 inches taller and 10 lbs heavier.

Sure you'll always have instances of guys who "can" do it. But that's like saying virtually any guy in the NBA can play point guard because Magic Johnson did.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2010 1:32 PM
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That's a bad analogy. You cannot tweak a basketball game plan nearly as much as you can a football game plan. If they want a 270 pound linebacker, they can throw him into the mix as a guy who mostly puts his knuckles in the dirt on passing downs and plays straight up on running downs. If you can zone blitz and drop 300 pound defensive linemen back in coverage, you can certainly have a linebacker playing at 270 punds who very rarely drops into pass coverage. Jarmin doesn't have to be a super athlete to be used this way.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about Lorenzo Alexander

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse
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Too late! (I did forget). But to be fair, Lozo defies categorization. He's played OL, DL, LB... we could probably have him run some wildcat, kick some field-goals, give Carlos Rogers a breater...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse
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You guys are also forgetting about Kemoeatu. He was a legit player in Carolina, and he will be agian if he successfully comes back from his injury.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

BEEPS

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 26, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey, what do you know about Jarmon?
They were trying to beef up Jarmon, and now he is going to be a OLB?

Wouldn't he be a better ILB?

Andre Carter?
Probably gets cut later, what do you think?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | April 26, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse
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Jarmon isn't the prototypical OLB by any stretch (too heavy). But I can't rule anything out. In my mind, he would probably be more useful as Haynesworth's backup rather than switching to LB.

As far as the difference between OLB and ILB, if you are to use other teams as an example, the MLB in the 4-3 is typically the best LB on the roster, but in the 3-4, the best LB is kind of hazy due to the hybrid LB/DE.

For my money, I'm guessing that you would set up your base alignment as a 3-3 and then let the 7th man tee off from all over the field.

It seems that Orakpo is still our best shot as Strong Side LB, meaning that regardless of who else are LBs, Orakpo will probably be in coverage on neutral downs. Interestingly, if Landry moves to SS, he would help with TE's, meaning that Orakpo could blitz more (in theory).

On the other side (weak side) you generally want a guy who can rush the passer and stop the outside run. So under those definitions, I suppose Jarmon could play weak side rush backer or whatever they call it. But of course, they could let Jarmon, Carter, Orakpo, and even Horton take turns from that spot all game and turn the LT into a puddle of sweat.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 26, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Snyder - its an uncapped year man. Go on and get Henderson, Adalius and Fanaca. McNabb only realistically has 2 years to win the big one. Go get some free agents to push the Skins past the Eagles and Giants.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 26, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Landry can't tackle. He tackles like a man would if he had no arms.

Posted by: vincentc | April 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I put the onus on the coaches for letting Landry whiff on so many tackles. Prior to Sean Taylor's death and even prior to this past season...Landry was a beast. More than one defensive player complained about several coaches telling them different duties. We all know no one in particular was running the show last year. Plus the guy was playing a position that didn't suit him, and that he wasn't drafted for. I was a running back....I sucked at QB and I knew to get in where I fit in. They stuck him in a position to be a fish outta water. We aren't talkin about Bo Jackson who can just switch from Football to Baseball like it's nothing. We drafted Landry for one reason...and stuck him somewhere else. That's another problem with signing players for different coaches and then keeping the players while firing the coaches later down the road. We've got pieces from all types of diff. schemes thrown together. Give this staff a chance to think logically unlike the others we've had running the show. Eventually we will have consistency...It takes time. Landry will have a great yr. Mark my words.

Posted by: Skinsational | April 26, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

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