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Malcolm Kelly on drafting a QB: 'That's all out the water now'

We're already on-record saying it's premature to rule the Redskins out of the quarterback sweepstakes at this year's draft. It's clearly a minority opinion.

"That's all out the water now, I'm pretty sure," receiver Malcolm Kelly said. "I mean, I'm no draft guru."

But Kelly is a former teammate of Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford. And though Bradford was in town for a visit Tuesday and Wednesday, Kelly doesn't foresee any sort of Sooner reunion in Ashburn.

"Especially with Donovan coming in and then the Rams getting rid of their quarterback [Marc Bulger]," Kelly said. "I think that's a done deal."

Let's keep in mind, Kelly isn't using any sort of inside information when he makes such a proclamation. To get an idea of how much info the players are privvy to, well, let's hear from Chris Cooley.

"As far as the draft goes, I'm out in the dark," Cooley said. "My knowledge is about as much as the fans. I actually had to meet with my tight ends coach. He said, 'I'll be in the draft meeting.' I open the draft door where our entire staff was and basically got the boot. So I don't think they wanted me to know anything that was going on there."

In addition to Bradford's visit, the team also hosted Colt McCoy on Monday and Tim Tebow on Thursday. It's believed that Bradford had an enjoyable visit. He had dinner with Mike and Kyle Shanahan, Bruce Allen and owner Daniel Snyder. It's believed he's the only quarterback prospect to have an audience with the owner over dinner thus far.

Kelly just doesn't see the team using the No. 4 pick on a quarterback, though.

"It would've been nice to play with him. We've been talking about that for a few weeks," Kelly said. "Wherever he goes, he's going to make a lot of fans and a lot of people happy. I can guarantee that."

By Rick Maese  |  April 8, 2010; 3:45 PM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft , Redskins by Position  
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Malcolm might not want to comment too much on draft stuff. Can't see how Shanahan would like that. On the other hand, Malcolm did put 2 and 2 together pretty nicely.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Mail I Get At Work:

Dear Mistamoe,
I am a 20-year-old woman about to graduate from college who hasn't had a serious relationship since high school. The hookups I've had in college have resulted in the conclusion that I'm physically unable to have sex. Three partners weren't able to complete the act. I admit I'm uncomfortable with my vagina.

signed,

Coochie-Coo (ouch!)


perhaps if we hook up at the local Hilton Hotel, I can become comfortable with it to satisfy your anxiety.

And regarding the three friends, it might be best to have them wait in line: it works, trust me, I've waited in one like this before.

Finally, are you aware that you have a mouth?

I'm just saying.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"As far as the draft goes, I'm out in the dark," Cooley said. "My knowledge is about as much as the fans. I actually had to meet with my tight ends coach. He said, 'I'll be in the draft meeting.' I open the draft door where our entire staff was and basically got the boot. So I don't think they wanted me to know anything that was going on there."

==============================

How can you not love this guy?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"That's all out the water now".

I have to say, I've never heard this expression before!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Out the water"?

Wtf, Brother Malcolm?

Ol' 4thFloor, making up your own words and sayings as you go along ol' bama.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"As far as the draft goes, I'm out in the dark," Cooley said. "My knowledge is about as much as the fans. I actually had to meet with my tight ends coach. He said, 'I'll be in the draft meeting.' I open the draft door where our entire staff was and basically got the boot. So I don't think they wanted me to know anything that was going on there."

I am waiting now for some brilliant reporter or radio type to spin this quote as proof that we are thinking of drafting a TE to replace Cooley....

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I like defensive tackle/defensive end/linebacker/offensive lineman/tight end/H-Back/Special Teamer/Back-up kicker/GM-in-waiting Lorenzo Alexander even more now.....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/lorenzo_alexander_wants_to_see.html

Posted by: 4-12 | April 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Moe, that is so wrong on so many fronts.

You're like the box of chocolates -- and it makes the blog a better place

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Offical Winners of the post season, First to upsatge opening day baseball !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | April 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This is all window under the bridge!

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | April 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm might not want to comment too much on draft stuff. Can't see how Shanahan would like that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse


Yup.

Insubordination.

Trade him to Oakland immediately.

(Bang gavel)

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

can't be first twice in one day

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Coochie is a form of sushi.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Moe. LOL over here at home and my daughter is wondering why.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I saw the quote "Out the water" and was like, well what do you expect a guys aquatic metaphors to be like when he went to school in a landlocked state.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Moe. LOL over here at home and my daughter is wondering why.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse


Did you tell her?

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

That's all out in the water now....and we shouldn't throw the baby out with the draft pick either.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
April 8, 2010, 4:07
Haynesworth on the move after all.

Our insiders in Ashburn have informed us that the Washington Redskins and Tennessee Titans have reached an agreement that would send disgruntled defensive tackle, Albert Haynesworth to the Titans, in exchange for a 2nd round pick this year, as well as a 2nd round pick next year. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"Kelly doesn't foresee any sort of Sooner reunion in Ashburn."


It would be funny as all get out if the iggles sent picks to the rams for the number 1 spot so they could draft Bradford.

That way, Malcolm could see Bradford twice a year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, fortunately the tv was on and I played it off on the golf game which she does not watch.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Is Portis now Kelly's speech therapist?

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | April 8, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

The most shocking thing about that story Zcezcest...
Buffalo still has a newspaper that is surviving.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Two second rounders for Haynesworth? Please God!

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I know what yal are getting @. Thinking im a racist because of my I.D. truth is im as black as they come. and im all for Blacks prospering as well as the rest of my race(humans). but its the HIGGERS that hold us back. We went from looking up to Mr Luther King Jrs to following Lil Waynes and Gayda Kisses. If any thing the HIGGERS should embrace the confederate flag. after all "they" dont gotta hold us back any more. YOU HIGGERS ARE DOING IT FOR "THEM"...i digress and repeat I EFFIN NATE HIGGERS...(and if you consider yourself a higger then you just further prove my point) Thank You

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Two second rounders for Haynesworth? Please God!

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM

and thus the herd wanders around in whichever direction the other cows are going...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Two second rounders for Haynesworth? Please God!

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Looks like you reeled one, BtownG.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posting fake Haynesworth trades isn't very nice. You get everyone excited and then I can't verify it anywhere.

Posted by: bigcountry22 | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

ITRA

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Coochie is a form of sushi.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse


--------------------------------------------------- Who is this guy? sushi is something you eat, coochie is what you stick your.... well i guess when you experience it youll understand the difference..lls

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Two second rounders for Haynesworth? Please God!

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM

and thus the herd wanders around in whichever direction the other cows are going...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 4:19 PM

BGreg is a particularly wily coyote.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Campbell both decided it would be best for him to stay away. He didn't just deside to leave for the sake of leaving. He is not under contract, is not being paid a DIME by the team, while Mcnabb is being paid 11 million dollars to come and participate.

Plus, Mcnabb is now the starting QB on this team, a team full of players he doesn't know. Campbell... no reason for him to be here.

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 3:55 PM
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actually neither are being paid a Dime right now... I have had the jealous pleasure of being shown by one of the players his direct deposit and it comes in weekly, per game. So, neither DM or JC are technically being paid at this time. Its also why the owners love preseason revenue.. its as close to pure profit they ever get to.
On the other note.. my point was that as a RFA he had until the 15th to sign the tender, and as Shanny said, "We just extended it through the draft.”
So, I dont see why, of course its my opinion only, even if his agent is seeking a trade before the 22nd (MS'extension) he cannot be still be attending the voluntary workouts. So what if McNabb is there.. JC might learn something in an "open competition" environment.
And as Shanahan said.. there is a chance JC comes back as a back-up if no Offers.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Campbell in Buffalo wouldn't be a bad fit if they got a big WR. Their current WRs are little guys, Evans and Reed. If the Bills trade for Campbell, they'd be wise to ask for Marko or Kelly as part of the deal.

They had a terrible OL last year (though not worse than ours) but at least it was young and could improve. Their QB went down with an injury after posting a 73 rating.

The AFC East has 2 teams on the rise, Jets and Miami, while the Pats are going the other way. But only the Jets have a strong defense.

Seems like an OK fit, which is as much as Campbell is going to get.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

call me an idiot... but the the fuc% is a Higger?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

SWEAR, SWEAR, it was on PFT at 4:07....

Now I wrote "swear" in all caps, so you know I ain't lyin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse


C'mon Zeke.

I'm not a JC apologist, but lynching Campbell is a bit extreme don't you think?

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

ITRA

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM

So that "R" isn't for "rebuilding," right?

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

bigcountry, greg would rather be fishing than at work, so sometimes he fishes from work. With some success.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"YOU HIGGERS ARE DOING IT FOR "THEM"...i digress and repeat I EFFIN NATE HIGGERS..."


This cat should hook up with the girl with the sore vagina.

Or: he should stop taking matters into his own hand.

I'm out.

Think I'll grill a steak tonite.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

call me an idiot... but the the fuc% is a Higger?

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 4:22 PM

You're an idiot.

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Offical Winners of the post season, First to upsatge opening day baseball !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | April 8, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

And the Resurrection.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 8, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse
====================
why? its not even funny.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope these Shanahan shenanigans are designed to piss Hayneworth off, so he feels like he has to show the world how good he is this year.

Posted by: Alan4
__________________

Fully agree. Shanahan can't do anything about it (unless we get a great deal to ship him off), so this is the next best strategy. Albert's an angry guy in general, that's well-documented, and Shanny's tapping into that by calling him out in public... in theory it'll make him work harder in the offseason (even if he doesn't attend the voluntaries) and play harder during the season, b/c he knows everyone will look at him closer now because of Shanny's anger and its coverage in the media. Plus by being tough, Shanny's showing the other players he's not going to suck up to him, even if can't make him attend these.

I agree with D44 and others on here, even with whatever shortcomings he had last year he still (usually) dominated when he was in, blowing up the opponents' blockers, often 2 at a time. When the ball is snapped and it's live fire, he'll produce - he likes to fight and he's a monster. Every DT/NT in the league gets winded and doesn't play every play...

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | April 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse


Two second rounders for Haynesworth? Please God!

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Looks like you reeled one, BtownG.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I fell for a joke? What's the point? It's a resonable sounding joke at least.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Coochie is a form of sushi.

Posted by: RedDMV

going out for sushi tonight, I'm guessing I should ask the waitress "How's the coochie in this place?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Coochie is a form of sushi.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse


--------------------------------------------------- Who is this guy? sushi is something you eat, coochie is what you stick your.... well i guess when you experience it youll understand the difference..lls

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:21 PM


RedDMV rant coming in 5,4,3,.......

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I have said in the past, if Buffalo were to get a Campbell type QB, someone who is tough and can take a beating, and go run first it would be a okay situation for JC17.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/did-eagles-trade-mcnabb-so-redskins-wouldnt-draft-bradford/

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 4:23 PM
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if true.. the Eagles did the Skins two favors.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse


Two second rounders for Haynesworth? Please God!

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse


Looks like you reeled one, BtownG.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I fell for a joke? What's the point? It's a reasonable sounding joke at least.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

and thus the herd wanders around in whichever direction the other cows are going...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

MOL

mooing out loud
Can't help myself this cow cracks me up

Posted by: DG28 | April 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I fell for a joke? What's the point? It's a reasonable sounding joke at least.

Posted by: MColeman51 | April 8, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The best are...

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"YOU HIGGERS ARE DOING IT FOR "THEM"...i digress and repeat I EFFIN NATE HIGGERS..."


This cat should hook up with the girl with the sore vagina.

Or: he should stop taking matters into his own hand.

I'm out.

Think I'll grill a steak tonite.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

------------------------------------------------- Its funny how you post that little section of my post. If you read the whole thing you will see IM BLACK AND SO ARE MOST OF MY FRIENDS ITS JUST NONE OF THEM CONSIDER THEM SELVES HIGGERS! but i guess you do

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Think I'll grill a steak tonite.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM

guess I'm not invited. or would you have me over for dinner?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. that was halfassed.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ol' 4thFloor, making up your own words and sayings as you go along ol' bama.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 8, 2010 3:55 PM

That is my boy.......

MOck 5.0 for all who missed it on Monday...

1. BRadford
2. Okung
3. McCoy
4. T Williams

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Higgers the british guy from Magnum PI?

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:33 PM


Agreed, it must be a real slow day for Florio

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV rant coming in 5,4,3,.......


whats wrong reds coochie got your tounge

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone got a pic of Albert working out back in Tennessee

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/94930859

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

???

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV rant coming in 5,4,3,.......

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 8, 2010 4:29 PM

That bama is too smart for that. A Million dollers says he won't even broach the the ITRAer...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 8, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers = Rotfrau = Risa_L

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

???

Posted by: iH8dallas


whats your question?

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Here are a few trade scenarios:

AH to TB for their 2 2nds

Eagles (Or someone else) trade up to grab Berry (Reid loves good safeties) Their 1st plus one of their 2nds and a 3rd. Maybe an additonal pick depending on which 2nd.

I think Jarmon can be traded since he doesn't have a position now. Teams were considering him in the 4th Round of the supplemental draft before we grabbed him in the 3rd. Maybe we can get a 3 or 4 for him.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

like I said guys,
ITRA
the R was added in and a post point for whoever gets it right...

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Rhymes with Nacist.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Albert is going to generate a bunch of interest because his salary is very cheap for a guy with that talent.

fwiw, I place a lot of the blame on Shanhan, but I don't really care if Shanahan makes Albert happy. You actually want Albert angry, but you want him angry in the right direction.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

pretty happy about getting 2-2nd rounders for AH.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa |

It was a gawdawful line, but no, it wasn't JUST the line,. Thefre was a gawdawful batch of running backs, too. You want to talk about the receiving corps over teh Campbell era? The guys who didn't know the plays?

I'm no big fan of Campbell, aside from his class and ability to absorb pain. But there was no way to make an honest assessment of him or any other QB, aside from maybe P. Manning or D. Marino (in his prime. behind that collection of too old, too hurt and too untalented.

It's no accident good teams use high picks on OLinemen. Cerrato and Allen ignored that principle and their records speak for themselves.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 4:49 PM

Jarmon does have a position. He is 6'3 277, he is a 3-4 DE. He can stand to gain a few pounds, but he has a position. Fred Davis should teach people you dont give up on a guy after one year, especially when he contributed nicely before his injury.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

wait, what's the difference between post points and bonus points? I want nothing to do with bonus points...not even good for gas...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Eagles have like 11 picks so far and don't have that many needs to fill. I think Reid would rather trade up and grab a guy he really loves than sit back and try to find 11 guys to draft. He has done this before. Accumulated picks and traded up. Plus they really need a safety and Berry will not make past the 5 or 6 spot.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to start an argument but if you look at most 3-4 DE they are closer to 6-5 300lbs. I keep hering rumors of the Skins being interested in the Rams Adam Carriker who was a first round guy who has no lived up to expectations as a DT for them. He is a 6-5 300lb guy who they project to a 3-4 DE.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

It was a gawdawful line, but no, it wasn't JUST the line,. Thefre was a gawdawful batch of running backs, too. You want to talk about the receiving corps over teh Campbell era? The guys who didn't know the plays?

I'm no big fan of Campbell, aside from his class and ability to absorb pain. But there was no way to make an honest assessment of him or any other QB, aside from maybe P. Manning or D. Marino (in his prime. behind that collection of too old, too hurt and too untalented.

It's no accident good teams use high picks on OLinemen. Cerrato and Allen ignored that principle and their records speak for themselves.

Posted by: TheCork |

Lets see.

In 2009, the Skins had:

10 different guys starting on the OL
4 different starting RBs
3 different guys calling the plays
2 different #2 WRs
2 different starting TEs
2 GMs

and Head Coach Jim Zorn

Given the train wreck around him, Campbell's 15th overall QB rating was a real accomplishment. Not many guys did more with less.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Just thought id add EFF DALLAS!

Posted by: IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers | April 8, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

REVISED PREDICION #947 ... in the UNLIKELY SCENARIO where the Rams DO NOT select Bradford (there are a couple, but they are unlikely), the Lions ACCEPT the Skins offer to take a newly rich (keeping his $21M) Albert Hayneworth for the #2 pick ... and the Skins pick Bradford. Then with the #4, they pick a tackle (could be Williams, could be Okung, whateves). Its only a revised prediction based on an unlikely scenario ... BUT I'M STICKIN TO IT (for now).

Posted by: dcsween | April 8, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm was sinply channeling Dexter Manley, who once said:
"I'm gonna clean his bell."

Posted by: Maxwell_Smart | April 8, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon isn't strong enough to play DE in a 3-4. If he stays his future is at OLB. He'd have to bulk up a decent amount... not just in size but also strength to play DE for us next year. A DE in a 3-4 has gotta be a beast. Partially the reason Phillip Daniels will be a decent End there. He is a monster in the weight room, and when it comes to playing the run, main aspect of a DE's job in a 3-4 he's solid....

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

This is all window under the bridge!

Posted by: SnyderMustGo1 | April 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This is hilarious!

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I think there was a post here awhile back where Jarmon said his plan was to lose some weight so he could transfer to OLB in 3-4

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 8, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 5:04 PM

No argument necessary. We are all entitled to our opinions. There are teams that have huge guys at DE, there are also teams like the 49ers and Cardinals that use smaller DE's and they actually rush the passer.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Higgers the british guy from Magnum PI?

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

No, that was Higgins.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I like Jarmon don't get me wrong. He played well with the reps he got. My thinking is if the Skins are truly trying to get Carriker then they don't see a position for Jarmon. If he can make it at OLB great. But I think Alexander is also doing that plus they resigned Wilson so they are ending up with a bunch of DE's turned LB. Somethings got to give and they need picks.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Given the train wreck around him, Campbell's 15th overall QB rating was a real accomplishment. Not many guys did more with less.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:09 PM

strange that 32 NFL GMs have missed this.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | April 8, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who are defending Big Al etc etc...How do you feel when it is being told to the public by his TEAMMATES they want him there! BAM all you need to know...he is rubbing his teammates the wrong way with all this!

End of that discussion....if his teammates are expressing this..that says it all!!!!!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/alexander-would-like-haynesworth-to-be-a-good-teammate/

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"But we're talking more about the whole attitude thing toward this new season, and just coming out and just being more of a team player. I know he has issues with the coaching staff, but I just really want him to just come around and be a good teammate. I mean, that's really what everybody wants, is being a good teammate, and just forgetting about 3-4, 4-3. Just go out here, lets play football and get some Ws and win some games."

~ Lorenzo Alexander

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

one post point for Curz.

once I get the 10,000 owed to me curz then i will see to it one gets transfered to you

Posted by: alex35332 | April 8, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing against AH as a football player. AH is typical of the problem that has existed with the Redskins since Snyder bought the team. You have a few OVERPAID prima donnas that expect to be held to a different standard then the rest of the team. And until now they were.
Name me one overpaid prima donna who played for the Saints last year? Then name one overpaid prima donna from the Steelers the year before. That's how you win championships.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | April 8, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

lets play football and get some Ws and win some games."

~ Lorenzo Alexander

as opposed to getting some Ls and losing some games??

Posted by: cliftonbiz | April 8, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 8, 2010 5:16 PM

Im not sure how you know if Jarmon is strong enough to play end. Weight doesnt necessarily correspond to strength. He could be 285 and be the strongest man on the field. Justin Smith and Shaun Ellis are good examples of "smaller" 3-4 ends who are effective. Jay Ratliff was also thought to be too small to be a 3-4 NT. He is a two time pro bowler.


As far as Alexander goes, I understand what he was getting at but the fact remains they are voluntary workouts. AH is not in any breach of contract and not required to be there. If Alexander feels that strongly than he should pick up the phone and call AH and tell him how he feels. Its chicken shti to air your grievances through the press.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I can't for the life of me figure out how in the world people are defending Big Al in this...are you serious??

voluntary workouts or not...he should be here...he has a new defense to learn....not only that....they paid him 41 million....INTEGRITY!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse


Given the train wreck around him, Campbell's 15th overall QB rating was a real accomplishment. Not many guys did more with less.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:09 PM

strange that 32 NFL GMs have missed this.

Posted by: cliftonbiz |


For the past 2 seasons, McNabb has 16 games where his rating was 90 or better, Campbell 15.

So what is the team's W-L record when the QB has a rating over 90?

McNabb '08 7-1
McNabb '09 7-1
JasonC '08 5-1
JasonC '09 2-7

Not saying Campbell didn't have significant flaws, and yes, McNabb is a better QB. But there was a lot more going on than a QB problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Titans won't give up first-round pick for Haynesworth

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/titans-wont-give-up-first-round-pick-for-haynesworth/

Its not even worth trying to trade him IMO, and definitely not worth trading him to the Titans..

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse


Wasn't Higgers the british guy from Magnum PI?

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

No, that was Higgins.

Posted by: wdv1137 | April 8, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

No, Higgins was your runningback/pig farmer from the 70s and 80s.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 8, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 5:56 PM

They should not trade AH. The titans are waiting for the skins to do what they always do, sell low. Its the same reason why they wont get a decent offer for JC. Other GMs know to lowball the skins. The last few trades the skins did, would you say the got the better of the deal?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

They should not trade AH. The titans are waiting for the skins to do what they always do, sell low. Its the same reason why they wont get a decent offer for JC. Other GMs know to lowball the skins. The last few trades the skins did, would you say the got the better of the deal?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:04 PM |

Don't see it happening with this regime.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, and its good to know Cerrato isn't in control of things these days, or I'd be really worried. This whole Haynesworth fiasco might be a blessing in disguise, preventing the Skins from trading him because they won't get what he's worth after all crap that been going on.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I scratch my, er, head when I read posts that the Skins will be getting a bunch of high picks for the AH and JC and others.

They're dealing from weakness - they have players they're stuck with - and the premium on picks has gone up three-four fold over the past decade.

Teams are increasingly building through the draft. They see that signing high priced FA or making trades for picks leaves you with little room.

Yeah, every team but...you know the rest of the story.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 8, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

If I'm SF, I look at Campbell+Albert. SF has 2 QBs who've never been as good as Campbell and they've got a real chance to get to the playoffs. AZ is weaker with Warner and Dansby gone, StL isn't ready and Seattle has HC Pete Carroll, who doesn't know the NFL well and wasn't a very good NFL coach the 1st time around.

Now if SF only had a GM ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Now if SF only had a GM ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

SF seems ultra conservative as far as going after anybody. McNabb would of been a perfect fit for them. As for your earlier comment about Kelly going to Buffalo too, they drafted a big WR the same yr Kelly was drafted, but I don't know if he's still on the team.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, Albert will being plenty of value to a team that is trying to make a step change this year either to get into the playoffs or go deeper in them.

Lots of teams fit that description. SF, Miami, AZ, Pats, SD, dallas, philly, jints ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Gee whiz, zeke, you're right there. Why don't you toodle on up the 101 to Niners HQ and get that proposal on someone's desk?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM

SF runs a 3-4 and they have their man in the middle, Franklin.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of that weird phenomenon that in some places people refer to numbered highways as "the [number]" and in other places people refer to numbered highways as "[number]". And it really doesn't sound right when you do it the other way around. I think this may be an East Coast/West Coast thing.

For a DMV example, imagine calling 66 "the 66" or 95 "the 95". That sounds ridiculous, right? Whereas in LA you always take "the 5," never "5".

What I'm saying is... I need a beer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 8, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Campbell for Marshawn Lynch (and possibly more, if we can get it?) would be absolutely epic.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | April 8, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Given the train wreck around him, Campbell's 15th overall QB rating was a real accomplishment. Not many guys did more with less.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:09 PM

strange that 32 NFL GMs have missed this.

Posted by: cliftonbiz |


For the past 2 seasons, McNabb has 16 games where his rating was 90 or better, Campbell 15.

So what is the team's W-L record when the QB has a rating over 90?

McNabb '08 7-1
McNabb '09 7-1
JasonC '08 5-1
JasonC '09 2-7

Not saying Campbell didn't have significant flaws, and yes, McNabb is a better QB. But there was a lot more going on than a QB problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

only thing is your not taking into consideration that Mc5 was throwing 70% of the time and countless times down field compared to JC's dink and dunk and not going down field often.

those are glaring differences when you consider that Mc5 threw a tons more and took more chances down field.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, Albert will being plenty of value to a team that is trying to make a step change this year either to get into the playoffs or go deeper in them.

Lots of teams fit that description. SF, Miami, AZ, Pats, SD, dallas, philly, jints ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 6:24 PM

Albert will be traded after the draft. No one wants to give up picks in this year's draft. After the draft teams will reassess their needs as well as their surpluses and there will be more trading of vets. Al may be traded for players who want to be here or for picks in next year's draft. But he's not going to fetch a lot of value because he's a cancer, and an out-of-shape cancer.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 6:41 PM

Have you watched an eagle game in the past 5 years? Out of every three passes two of them is a screen. Go hate someplace else, JC will be gone soon enough.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Not saying Campbell didn't have significant flaws, and yes, McNabb is a better QB. But there was a lot more going on than a QB problem.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

only thing is your not taking into consideration that Mc5 was throwing 70% of the time and countless times down field compared to JC's dink and dunk and not going down field often.

those are glaring differences when you consider that Mc5 threw a tons more and took more chances down field.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Also, a good portion of JC's TD's and yds came when the game was out of hand and the D was in prevent. McNabb on the other hand, if you recall, would throw TD's early in the game when it was still competitive and then the offense would get more conservative when their team was up big.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 6:48 PM

The skins only got blown out in one game, what games were out of hand and the D was in the prevent?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 6:41 PM

Have you watched an eagle game in the past 5 years? Out of every three passes two of them is a screen. Go hate someplace else, JC will be gone soon enough.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

what are you talking about hating? i was adding to a comment someone else wrote...It is a blog ya know.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

The best I can about Vinny the Rat is at least he was no Matt Millen...
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With two weeks and a day until the 2010 NFL draft, it's a very good time for every team to be reminded just how badly a first-round bust can set a team back. If you can add yet another reason to cap on the utterly preposterous career of former Detroit Lions "general manager" Matt Millen, all the better. With the recent news that a district court has ruled that ex-Detroit receiver Charles Rogers(notes) must repay $6.1 million of the $9.1 million signing bonus he received after the Lions took him with the second pick in the 2003 draft, we are yet again brought into the world of measurables with nothing behind them.

Rogers broke his collarbone twice in his first two seasons, was suspended four games in 2005 for a third violation of the NFL's substance abuse policy, and that suspension triggered acrimony from within the Lions organization - the team said that the violation went against his contract, and they tried to recover money that Rogers would be obligated to return. It later came out that Rogers failed multiple drug tests in college, which was a.) the reason for a contract provision in the first place; and b.) a huge red flag. Generally speaking, you don't bet on the idea that habitual drug offenders will clean up their acts when they come into millions of dollars and loads of free time.

Rogers barely played again after his suspension and was released by the team in September of 2006. Several NFL teams (and the Winnipeg Blue Bombers of the Canadian Football League) reportedly took a pass, which left Rogers with even more free time. Bad idea. He became a frequent user of marijuana and Vicodin, and his life spiraled further downhill. After multiple probation violations, the last straw came in January of 2010, when he violated a sobriety court order by passing out after drinking too much in a Mexican restaurant. That order came from a drunk driving charge last September. You get the idea.

It's yet another chapter in a very sad story. Rogers has nobody to blame but himself, but one wonders how he's going to deal with the loss of money you'd probably bet he doesn't have anymore. Perhaps every time Millen goes on television from now on, masquerading as a savvy personnel guy, he should be fined $10,000, and the money put into a matching fund to repay the franchise. Because if there's one thing for sure, it's that Millen's just as much at fault for ignoring what was right in front of his face, and bringing bust after bust onto the team.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 8, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

leevi, didn't you know, JC is from Zamunda?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 6:48 PM

The skins only got blown out in one game, what games were out of hand and the D was in the prevent?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

ok your right...we should just cut mcNabb and go with JC...he is obviously the better option from what you have told us.

We all get it..JC is a great guy. he handles himself with much maturity especially with rumors always out there about him. i met the guy...he signed a mini helmet for me...he was very nice and a very cool guy....but I'm not gonna sit and say he is comparable to Mc5....

unfortunately...stats and being a mature great guy does not mean you win football games and not choke in the red zone.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

leevi, didn't you know, JC is from Zamunda?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL not sure what your getting at...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Detroit Lions priorities according to their bloggings are

DL, CB, OL, RB

so it keeps looking good for Okung @ #4

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 8, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

With the recent news that a district court has ruled that ex-Detroit receiver Charles Rogers(notes) must repay $6.1 million of the $9.1 million signing bonus he received after the Lions took him with the second pick in the 2003 draft, we are yet again brought into the world of measurables with nothing behind them.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | April 8, 2010 7:01 PM

at least they got some of the moolah back... can't say the same about AH.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who are defending Big Al etc etc...How do you feel when it is being told to the public by his TEAMMATES they want him there! BAM all you need to know...he is rubbing his teammates the wrong way with all this!

End of that discussion....if his teammates are expressing this..that says it all!!!!!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/alexander-would-like-haynesworth-to-be-a-good-teammate/

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse


I've been reading around on some other Titan team boards and columnists relating the AH-Shanny tiff.

Basically they are all hoping and crossing their fingers that Shanny will be ticked off enough to do something stupid like gift them back Albert Haynesworth in some "get him out of DC" firesale.


Which is exactly what that would be - stupid, panicky, a knee-jerk emotional move to soothe the man's ego.

I just hope that it does not go down that way, and we don't gift one of the most dominant DTs in the NFL to some other team simply b/c Shanny feels miffed.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

LOL not sure what your getting at...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:08 PM

In the movie Coming to America, the king of Zamunda is King Jaffe Joffer.

My lame attempt at humor.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

The skins only got blown out in one game, what games were out of hand and the D was in the prevent?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Falcons game - Falcons went conservo 2nd half: JC find his rhythm
Giants game (1st game) - Same thing: JC finds his groove
Eagles (1st game) - once again: JC finds his touch
Giants game (2nd game) Down 24-0 at halftime: JC leads a stirring drive in 3rd quarter capped by a TD pass

Do you see the pattern here? When the game is competitive in the 1st half still, JC couldn't do crap. When the opposing team softens up because they have a comfortable lead, JC finds a way to score.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren said the Browns never made a formal offer for McNabb prior to signing Delhomme. But at the time of their discussions, the Eagles' price tag was "absolutely higher" than what they eventually received from the Redskins.

"But it always is [in the early stages], and you're not sure it's going to change," Holmgren said. "But it was pretty high."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/04/browns_mike_holmgren_not_disap.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

LOL not sure what your getting at...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:08 PM

In the movie Coming to America, the king of Zamunda is King Jaffe Joffer.

My lame attempt at humor.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abus

LOL went over my head...but get it now!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse


The skins only got blown out in one game, what games were out of hand and the D was in the prevent?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Falcons game - Falcons went conservo 2nd half: JC find his rhythm
Giants game (1st game) - Same thing: JC finds his groove
Eagles (1st game) - once again: JC finds his touch
Giants game (2nd game) Down 24-0 at halftime: JC leads a stirring drive in 3rd quarter capped by a TD pass

Do you see the pattern here? When the game is competitive in the 1st half still, JC couldn't do crap. When the opposing team softens up because they have a comfortable lead, JC finds a way to score.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse


ga8085 is spot on.

Towards the end of last season, I even posted stats - quarter-by-quarter and drive-by-drive - showing the trend that when the Skins were within 10 points of their opponents, JC played like crap. When an opponent was up by 10+, JC was posting his best stats/numbers in the game.

The numbers bore out what I was watching with my eyes on most Sundays:

When the Skins were down by a couple scores and defenses were starting to lax up, Campbell looked good.

But when the Skins were within striking distance (10 points or less) and the other team's defense was aggressive/attacking/playing tight Campbell played poorly.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:08 PM

I never said they should get rid of McNabb, so I dont know where that came from. I was just calling you out when you talked about how McNabb threw the ball down the field when the Eagles have been the kings of the screen pass. I view McNabb as an upgrade and I think him being here makes for a better offense, not more than 9 wins better but definitely better than the 4-12 last year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who are defending Big Al etc etc...How do you feel when it is being told to the public by his TEAMMATES they want him there! BAM all you need to know...he is rubbing his teammates the wrong way with all this!

End of that discussion....if his teammates are expressing this..that says it all!!!!!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/alexander-would-like-haynesworth-to-be-a-good-teammate/

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse


I've been reading around on some other Titan team boards and columnists relating the AH-Shanny tiff.

Basically they are all hoping and crossing their fingers that Shanny will be ticked off enough to do something stupid like gift them back Albert Haynesworth in some "get him out of DC" firesale.


Which is exactly what that would be - stupid, panicky, a knee-jerk emotional move to soothe the man's ego.

I just hope that it does not go down that way, and we don't gift one of the most dominant DTs in the NFL to some other team simply b/c Shanny feels miffed.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Me too p1funk. i honestly don't believe he will be traded...he will come round...especially if his teammates talk to him...say Fletch?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Holmgren said the Browns never made a formal offer for McNabb prior to signing Delhomme. But at the time of their discussions, the Eagles' price tag was "absolutely higher" than what they eventually received from the Redskins.

"But it always is [in the early stages], and you're not sure it's going to change," Holmgren said. "But it was pretty high."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/04/browns_mike_holmgren_not_disap.html

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse


That's just funny.

Holmgren needs to calm the mob of Browns fans forming outside of his house with pitchforks and torches wondering how it is we got McNabb while they are going to start the season with Jake Delhomme.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

That's just funny.

Holmgren needs to calm the mob of Browns fans forming outside of his house with pitchforks and torches wondering how it is we got McNabb while they are going to start the season with Jake Delhomme.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:30 PM

Wonder how the crowd will react when Holmgren picks Clausen...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

It's no accident good teams use high picks on OLinemen...

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM

Oh you mean like the Clevelands, who've drafted 5 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including two 1st rounders?

Or mebbe the Jacksonvilles, who've also drafted 5 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including one 1st rounder and two second rounders?

Let's look at the perennial powerhouse Buffalos: 8 drafted O-linemen in da past 5 drafts including a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Howabout da St.Louiss, who've drafted 10 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders?

In conclusion the real good teams have used 13 top picks on O-linemen. Six 1st rounders, three 2nd rounders, and four 3rd rounders.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:08 PM

I never said they should get rid of McNabb, so I dont know where that came from. I was just calling you out when you talked about how McNabb threw the ball down the field when the Eagles have been the kings of the screen pass. I view McNabb as an upgrade and I think him being here makes for a better offense, not more than 9 wins better but definitely better than the 4-12 last year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

How in the world did you misunderstand the whole thing? We were discussing how McNabb's stats and JCs tell stories but the stories are misleading when you consider that the Eagle/McNabb threw the ball 70% of the time and took more shots down field than JC and the Skins did. So the stats don't tell the whole story.

Your right ..eagles threw screens but they also threw a whole bunch more in terms of taking shots down field.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

It's no accident good teams use high picks on OLinemen.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM

Who Dat Nawlins? 6 O-linemen drafted in past 5 years, with one 1st rounder and one 3rd rounder.

Indy Mannings have drafted 9(WOW)repeat 9 tha past 5 years, but only two 2nd rounders.

Oh Minnisota have only taken 4 o-linemen the past 5 drafts with only one, i repeat, one 2nd rounder. Yea it's no wonder they've been irrelevant.

And da New York Football jetz. have only taken 5 in tha past 5 including two 1st rounders.

And the bottom feeders of the league have used 7 top picks on O-linemen: 3-1st rounders, 3-2nd rounders, and 1-3rd rounder.

Wow ThePork, you are absolutely right and you didn't even have to research it b/c you knew that if a team wuz good, they were only good cuz of their O-line.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh you mean like the Clevelands, who've drafted 5 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including two 1st rounders?

Or mebbe the Jacksonvilles, who've also drafted 5 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including one 1st rounder and two second rounders?

Let's look at the perennial powerhouse Buffalos: 8 drafted O-linemen in da past 5 drafts including a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Howabout da St.Louiss, who've drafted 10 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders?

In conclusion the real good teams have used 13 top picks on O-linemen. Six 1st rounders, three 2nd rounders, and four 3rd rounders.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse


Cleveland's Oline is actually pretty good. The rest of the team is garbage.

Same with Jax, which is one of the reasons MJD was so productive last season and Fred Taylr before him.

Buffalo is just cursed and need to move to Toronto.

St.Louis has some interesting pieces in place. I think Jason Smith will be the real deal if he can stay healthy (which was the issue last year - not his play)

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:30 PM

Wonder how the crowd will react when Holmgren picks Clausen...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse


Holmgren on draft day after selecting Clausen with the #7 pick:

"I said previously that 'I wish I liked him more'. And I guess that wish came true!"

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Falcons game - Falcons went conservo 2nd half: JC find his rhythm
Giants game (1st game) - Same thing: JC finds his groove
Eagles (1st game) - once again: JC finds his touch
Giants game (2nd game) Down 24-0 at halftime: JC leads a stirring drive in 3rd quarter capped by a TD pass

Do you see the pattern here? When the game is competitive in the 1st half still, JC couldn't do crap. When the opposing team softens up because they have a comfortable lead, JC finds a way to score.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 7:21 PM

for all you JC haters.. Here is the 2009 Best of JC Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

that is one stupid theory.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 4:33 PM

Agreed its pretty far fetched but it was Adam Schefter who put it out there and Florio was just quoting him. AS is usually reliable but still, this sounds silly.

Posted by: will_ga | April 8, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:35 PM

don't usually hang with the scarecrows, but even this humble cow recognizes a strawman argument... the fact is our o-line sucks cojones

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Towards the end of last season, I even posted stats - quarter-by-quarter and drive-by-drive - showing the trend that when the Skins were within 10 points of their opponents, JC played like crap. When an opponent was up by 10+, JC was posting his best stats/numbers in the game.

The numbers bore out what I was watching with my eyes on most Sundays:

When the Skins were down by a couple scores and defenses were starting to lax up, Campbell looked good.

But when the Skins were within striking distance (10 points or less) and the other team's defense was aggressive/attacking/playing tight Campbell played poorly.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:27 PM
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Posted by: CecIVC

For all you stat-maniacs who love to tout JC's 'improvement' over the years, why not look at the major statistic: his ability to win.
Over the course of his career while behind by one TD or less, JC has racked up 14 TDs and 12 INTs. Last year, in the same situation, 7 TDs to 7 INTs.
Over the course of his career with the game difference being one TD or less (where he needs to lead a comeback or put the nail in the coffin), JC has racked up 30 TDs and 22 INTs. Last year, 12 TDs, 12 INTs.
Finally, and here's the kicker, when behind in the 4th quarter by less than 7 or tied in OT, career 10 TDs and 11 INTs. Last year, 0 TDs & 3 INTs.
These are not even including final 'drives' that end in 4 & outs (a la SD week 17) he's barely above .500 in his ability to not lose the game.
You can't blame JC for the losses? Oh really?
Now let's compare to his competition from the NFC East:
Tony Romo:
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 7 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 21 TD-7 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 4 TD-1 INT
Donovan McNabb
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 4 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 14 TD-6 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 0 TD-1 INT
Eli Manning
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 7 TD-3 INT; Within 1 TD: 14 TD-7 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 3 TD-1 INT
As clearly shown here, JC is significantly behind the curve when it comes to NFC East QBs.
And just for kicks, here's the Superbowl QBs stats:
Drew Brees
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 11 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 25 TD-5 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 5 TD-0 INT
Peyton Manning
2009 Season
Behind by 1 TD: 9 TD-2 INT; Within 1 TD: 23 TD-9 INT; 4th Quarter Within 1TD: 6 TD-1 INT
Bottom line, when it matters, JC fails.
Posted by: CecIVC |

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"A DE in a 3-4 has gotta be a beast. Partially the reason Phillip Daniels will be a decent End there. He is a monster in the weight room, and when it comes to playing the run, main aspect of a DE's job in a 3-4 he's solid....Posted by: peoplearestupid"

I think your view of a 3-4 is way too limited. Daniels is an excellent example of one type of 3-4 DE, but Mario Williams is also a 3-4 DE and he's an entirely different sort of player -- pure athlete who accounted during one season for a remarkable 49% of his team's sacks.

Albert doesn't want to play where a coach wants him to. He wants to freelance. Understandable, but how many head coaches want a guy like that on their team?

There are two types of NFL head coaches -- control freaks, and control freaks who are pretending not to be control freaks.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

There are two types of NFL head coaches -- control freaks, and control freaks who are pretending not to be control freaks.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 7:47 PM

LOL. Good one, Samson.

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

But there was no way to make an honest assessment of him or any other QB, aside from maybe P. Manning or D. Marino (in his prime. behind that collection of too old, too hurt and too untalented.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM

In talking to several front office executives and an NFL talent evaluator, there was a unanimous opinion: The Redskins upgraded in a major way at quarterback by getting McNabb on Sunday night. And none of them thought the price (a second-round pick this year and either a third or a fourth rounder next year) was steep.

...

"The quarterback is everything," the GM said. "You can't evaluate your team until you get a quarterback. Now in their minds they can certainly be a contender...

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/_A-shot-in-the-arm_-89965297.html#ixzz0kHqDXuBw

Whoa some GM has your job ThePork, do you see that?

You say you can't judge a QB unless everything around him is top notch and that Dumb GM from the link I posted says you can't evaluate your offensive talent until you have a QB.

You know where to send your resume right Cork? Just keep on researching baby and keep proving that being senile at an old age is really just bologna.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

for all you JC haters.. Here is the 2009 Best of JC Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha, that was funny and sad at the same time.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

And then there's Zorn...a control freak pretending to be a HC.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

don't usually hang with the scarecrows, but even this humble cow recognizes a strawman argument... the fact is our o-line sucks cojones

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 7:41 PM

Yeah and our QB sucked cojones too.

Look at those juggernauts who've put more stock in their O-line. It's no wonder they are perennial winners

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"A DE in a 3-4 has gotta be a beast. Partially the reason Phillip Daniels will be a decent End there. He is a monster in the weight room, and when it comes to playing the run, main aspect of a DE's job in a 3-4 he's solid....Posted by: peoplearestupid"

I think your view of a 3-4 is way too limited. Daniels is an excellent example of one type of 3-4 DE, but Mario Williams is also a 3-4 DE and he's an entirely different sort of player -- pure athlete who accounted during one season for a remarkable 49% of his team's sacks.

Albert doesn't want to play where a coach wants him to. He wants to freelance. Understandable, but how many head coaches want a guy like that on their team?

There are two types of NFL head coaches -- control freaks, and control freaks who are pretending not to be control freaks.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse


A 3-4 DE does have to be an all-around beast - which is why AH would be a PERFECT 3-4 DE. He tackles ball carriers and he puts big-time pressure on the QB. I think he's a waste at NT.

Imagine a scenario where a team has to decide if they want to keep their double on the NT (which is what they usually do) OR if they need to cheat over to double AH at DE. That's the kind of havoc you want.

Think Darnell Dockett times 10.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Whoa some GM has your job ThePork, do you see that?

You say you can't judge a QB unless everything around him is top notch and that Dumb GM from the link I posted says you can't evaluate your offensive talent until you have a QB.

You know where to send your resume right Cork? Just keep on researching baby and keep proving that being senile at an old age is really just bologna.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:50 PM

hey, well, I do spend some time with the porkies over in the sty... we're all headed to the big slaughterhouse in the sky anyway, so let's just pretend to get along and have some fun while we're here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The bum San Diegos have used 9 picks on O-linemen the past 5 drafts but only one 2nd rounder and one 3rd rounder among them.

Yeah it's no wonder they can't keep Phillip Rivers upright

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Falcons game - Falcons went conservo 2nd half: JC find his rhythm
Giants game (1st game) - Same thing: JC finds his groove
Eagles (1st game) - once again: JC finds his touch
Giants game (2nd game) Down 24-0 at halftime: JC leads a stirring drive in 3rd quarter capped by a TD pass

Do you see the pattern here? When the game is competitive in the 1st half still, JC couldn't do crap. When the opposing team softens up because they have a comfortable lead, JC finds a way to score.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 7:21 PM

for all you JC haters.. Here is the 2009 Best of JC Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse


LOL that was great! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Da Cowboys have made da playoffs 3 outta the last 4 years and guess how many O-linemen they've drafted in the top two rounds in the past 5 years? ZERO

only two 3rd rounders

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and our QB sucked cojones too.

Look at those juggernauts who've put more stock in their O-line. It's no wonder they are perennial winners

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:54 PM

don't disagree on the first point. but are you really stoked with the herd up front on O-line? all pieces of the puzzle, which is why I'm liking the team-first/top-down approach so far.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

We have started a trend and I'm tired of trying to argue with the JC guys on here....so i have decided to let the others break it down for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

We have started a trend and I'm tired of trying to argue with the JC guys on here....so i have decided to let the others break it down for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

re posting my post but ...yeah...the film does not fib boys.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for the strolls down memory lane.

Excuse me for a moment...I'm going to start drinking now.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Rams, Jags, Panthers, and Raiders have seen this too....

They'll give us 3 ink pens and an old Huffy 10 speed for Jason Campbell...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 8, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo
I definitely not excited about the O-line, but i'm more optimistic about how good they really are with McNabb. And in the grand scheme of things I can think of much more important positions than the O-line.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

moodlymoodlymoo
I definitely not excited about the O-line, but i'm more optimistic about how good they really are with McNabb. And in the grand scheme of things I can think of much more important positions than the O-line.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse


The thing that McNabb learned how to do with the WCO, that Jason never got was to get rid of the ball when you are supposed to get rid of it.

Sometimes McNabb is inaccurate and puts it in the dirt. But he knew the first important thing was to get rid of the stupid ball in rhythm, especially on things like 3-step drops.

Campbell was the king of clutching. He'd pat the ball, pat the ball, pat the ball. He'd hesitate on 3-step drops and get crammed into the ground.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

it's juz that TheCorksoaker comes up here and typically sh!tz his draws three times a day - only criticisms - and , yet I don't wanna be the only one who pulls his card!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Mike Florio
April 8, 2010, 4:07
Haynesworth on the move after all.

Our insiders in Ashburn have informed us that the Washington Redskins and Tennessee Titans have reached an agreement that would send disgruntled defensive tackle, Albert Haynesworth to the Titans, in exchange for a 2nd round pick this year, as well as a 2nd round pick next year. Stay tuned.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 8, 2010 4:08 PM
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Bean, how come all of your "scoops" are filled with bovine feces?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

for all you JC haters.. Here is the 2009 Best of JC Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha, that was funny and sad at the same time.

Posted by: ga8085

All true, but don't forget how we got in the situations in that reel.

Game by game:

Tampa -- yeah, that was a bad game, lots of fumbles, too, as I recall.

dallas -- one play after Cooley dropped a pass for 1st and goal at the 5

jints -- don't recall that game

dallas 2 -- 2 missed Suisham FGs that would have put us up 2 scores -- and a defense that gave up a late 4th Q TD drive

Saints -- missed Suisham FG to put us up 10

iggles -- Zorn took the game out of Campbell's hands in the 4th, gave it over the the running game and defense -- and that's how we gave up the lead.

Can't say Campbell didn't have problems, but it wasn't all on him. Not even close.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

And in the grand scheme of things I can think of much more important positions than the O-line.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:18 PM

such as? I want to see an O-line that terrorizes defenses like the running of the bulls at Pamplona

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/07/images/050711_runningbulls.jpg

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

it's juz that TheCorksoaker comes up here and typically sh!tz his draws three times a day - only criticisms - and , yet I don't wanna be the only one who pulls his card!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report

People have been smackin' that old ass fool around up here for years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato and Allen ignored that principle and their records speak for themselves.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM
u know what else Cerrato and Allen have ignored? finding a dam franchise quarterback.

letz see if Bruce Allen ignored the O-line during his stay in Tampa?

7 drafted O-linemen from '05 to '08, including one 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders

Once again the ThePork nose what he's talking bout!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"IgorNathanHiggersAKAINateHiggers"

WoWie

seriously?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Can't say Campbell didn't have problems, but it wasn't all on him. Not even close.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I get it now. If the team would of played a perfect game without any mistakes in all those games then JC would of never been put in a position to have to bring the team back.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 8, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Instead of continuing to develope Campbell, Jim Zorn screwed him. Zorn had Campbell playing like a robot. Campbell had very little freedom to change plays at the los. There were too many plays that called for a 2 yard pass on 3rd & 8. Campbell was not allowed to "Just Play", he was too concerned with pleasing his coach. Zorn was in over his head and had no clue of how to best utilize his players....good luck Campbell

Posted by: kingpenn1 | April 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato and Allen ignored that principle and their records speak for themselves.

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM

letz see if Bruce Allen ignored the O-line during his stay in Tampa?

7 drafted O-linemen from '05 to '08, including one 1st rounder, two 2nd rounders and two 3rd rounders

Once again the ThePork nose what he's talking bout!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:31 PM

Shall i add Tampa to one of those accidental good teams who've put a lot of juice on their O-line, TheCorK?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Bean, how come all of your "scoops" are filled with bovine feces?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 8, 2010 8:26 PM

The correct terminology is "cow pies"... and we all know what to do with those:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-e0uRoKUcM

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Great Point on the lack of freedom given to Campbell, kingpenn1. Zorn was a goofy mutherlover. We should have put a 3rd round tender on Campbell. Do you think some team would have signed him, because I know we won't get a 3rd rounder for him now.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

it's juz that TheCorksoaker comes up here and typically sh!tz his draws three times a day - only criticisms - and , yet I don't wanna be the only one who pulls his card!

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:24 PM | Report

People have been smackin' that old ass fool around up here for years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse


Really. I stopped responding to Cork in a serious fashion last year. Though it's fun to needle the gestapo liberal in him every once in a while.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

for all you JC haters.. Here is the 2009 Best of JC Video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZypDzW81-c

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ha, that was funny and sad at the same time.

Posted by: ga8085

All true, but don't forget how we got in the situations in that reel.

Game by game:

Tampa -- yeah, that was a bad game, lots of fumbles, too, as I recall.

dallas -- one play after Cooley dropped a pass for 1st and goal at the 5

jints -- don't recall that game

dallas 2 -- 2 missed Suisham FGs that would have put us up 2 scores -- and a defense that gave up a late 4th Q TD drive

Saints -- missed Suisham FG to put us up 10

iggles -- Zorn took the game out of Campbell's hands in the 4th, gave it over the the running game and defense -- and that's how we gave up the lead.

Can't say Campbell didn't have problems, but it wasn't all on him. Not even close.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Ok now let's see what the JC excuses are after this break down..no music video but rather breaking down the film...and the film well it does not fib.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, JC made many great plays in the red zone, when he was given a chance too. Zorn's play calling was terrible in the Red Zone. Those slow developing deep handoff sweeps that took 5 minutes to develop where Portis was lucky to make it back to the line of scrimmage? JC is gone, and nobody is arguing he is a better QB than McNabb, but please don't continue to try to minimize and explain away every good thing JC did and exaggerate his flaws. If he was really that nice to you, then why don't you be nice and just let him go quietly into the sunset? McNab threw what, 2 more TD's than JC all season? McNab had a yards per pass attempt average of 8.02, JC 7.14. That is less than a yard's difference per pass. About dink and dunks? How many times did McNab throw a dink and dunk to Westbrook or D Jackson that turned into 20 or 30 yards?

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Great Point on the lack of freedom given to Campbell, kingpenn1. Zorn was a goofy mutherlover. We should have put a 3rd round tender on Campbell. Do you think some team would have signed him, because I know we won't get a 3rd rounder for him now.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Instead of continuing to develope Campbell, Jim Zorn screwed him. Zorn had Campbell playing like a robot. Campbell had very little freedom to change plays at the los. There were too many plays that called for a 2 yard pass on 3rd & 8. Campbell was not allowed to "Just Play", he was too concerned with pleasing his coach. Zorn was in over his head and had no clue of how to best utilize his players....good luck Campbell

Posted by: kingpenn1 | April 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, JC made many great plays in the red zone, when he was given a chance too. Zorn's play calling was terrible in the Red Zone. Those slow developing deep handoff sweeps that took 5 minutes to develop where Portis was lucky to make it back to the line of scrimmage? JC is gone, and nobody is arguing he is a better QB than McNabb, but please don't continue to try to minimize and explain away every good thing JC did and exaggerate his flaws. If he was really that nice to you, then why don't you be nice and just let him go quietly into the sunset? McNab threw what, 2 more TD's than JC all season? McNab had a yards per pass attempt average of 8.02, JC 7.14. That is less than a yard's difference per pass. About dink and dunks? How many times did McNab throw a dink and dunk to Westbrook or D Jackson that turned into 20 or 30 yards?

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 8, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

i have posted this link a few times...reason is...all of the excuses and such used for JC cannot even stand to reason after watching somebody break down film and point out "it's not the play calling It's the QB play"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

nstead of continuing to develope Campbell, Jim Zorn screwed him. Zorn had Campbell playing like a robot. Campbell had very little freedom to change plays at the los. There were too many plays that called for a 2 yard pass on 3rd & 8. Campbell was not allowed to "Just Play", he was too concerned with pleasing his coach. Zorn was in over his head and had no clue of how to best utilize his players....good luck Campbell

Posted by: kingpenn1 | April 8, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

then how do explain not throwing to wide open WRs and TEs? Your saying he is ignoring the wide open WR to please his coach? But the WR is wide open in the coaches system and called play. So what your saying is..his coach instructs him to throw to a certain guy on this play only? Adding according to you...JC would choose to throw to a covered guy and make himself look bad to please his coach?

c'mon man use some common sense...and go watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

ack! the links here are out of control. my hoof can barely click the mouse... and that's not natural anyway. we've all run out of ideas, the head cow should start another thread so we can wander off into new pastures.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Good video....I've always had great respect for C. Casserly, he knows his stuff and was a very good GM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: kingpenn1 | April 8, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

To Whom It May Concern:

JC has thrown his last pass for the Redskins. It's too bad his ability never matched his character. However...It's over for him and so that should also be the end of the debate.

kthxbye..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Great Point on the lack of freedom given to Campbell, kingpenn1. Zorn was a goofy mutherlover. We should have put a 3rd round tender on Campbell. Do you think some team would have signed him, because I know we won't get a 3rd rounder for him now.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had the same issues before Zorn..He had the same problems in Gibbs and Saunders offense that he had in Zorns.

hell Gibbs last year was a winning streak and playoff birth because JC got hurt in the Bears game. JC could not move the offense the entire season all the way up until the QT he was hurt in. Then Todd Collins comes in and all of a sudden a long TD drive...rest is history...and Collins is a career back up!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

To Whom It May Concern:

JC has thrown his last pass for the Redskins. It's too bad his ability never matched his character. However...It's over for him and so that should also be the end of the debate.

kthxbye..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

i agree with you Diesel...i am just gonna post that video link and not respond any longer....that's why I am posting the link...To once and for all stop all the JC lovers from trying to compare him to Mc5 or remember something different than fact.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 8, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

(I so f****in' hate that b****h Pelosi, nuthin' but wolves in sheep's clothing in the henhouse, oi...)

Posted by: frak

Wow a Republican who hates--that's a shocker.

Posted by: TheCork | April 4, 2010 5:13 PM

heh heh

WRONG AGAIN

thePork is a BONA FIDE schmuck if he thinks frak is a republican.

you think democrats don't hate Corkster? lets just say frak is a kettle and you are a pot(head)

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

SkinshaveaGM
SkinsNeedaGM

Rotfrau/Risa_L/ThomasMagnumAKAIloveHiggins

What's going on around here..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, nice try, but Skins fans do not let go of things easily. Many still complain that we let Antonio Pierce get away.

Best thing to do is not feed the um...herd (to borrow from our bovine friend).

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Scratch thr Titans name off the list...A 3rd Rd pick...STFU

Titans won't give up first-round pick for Haynesworth

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 8, 2010 5:40 PM ET

Let's ignore the complicated financial aspects of an Albert Haynesworth trade for a minute.

What would he cost in terms of trade compensation?

Jim Wyatt of the Tennessean, who is about as clued in to his team as any beat writer, breaks down what the Titans would give up for their former defensive tackle.

The Titans would not be willing to part with their first-round pick. They don't have a second-round pick, but would be willing to give up a third-rounder for Haynesworth.

Well, that's pretty specific. At his reduced salary level, Haynesworth has plenty of value. We'd guess he has more value than a third-rounder, but this is new territory we're wading into.

Using a 2011 draft pick to sweeten the deal is a possibility, if the Redskins are truly motivated sellers.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

SkinshaveaGM
SkinsNeedaGM

Rotfrau/Risa_L/ThomasMagnumAKAIloveHiggins

What's going on around here..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:19 PM

you forgot TheCork, she's been posting a bunch of ill-informed waffle lately as well.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record JC is a Back up QB @ best. Dont make any excuses for him, Tim Tebow can change his throwing release in 6 weeks and Campell has had 5 years or so. He does not posses the mind, or work ethic to be an effective starter...HE IS A BACK UP

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM
i forgot 2 thank u. I used one of ur links to make ass outta Cork, though he does well on his own.

why dont more people call out the cork when he lies?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

What do they have to discuss in a draft meeting? We have one pick.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 8, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

While I agree the OLine was bad, I don't think they are as horrible as some may think as JC wasn't doing them any favors...

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 8, 2010 2:58 PM

Nor did Zorn.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, that was what I was going to say as well, if with JC when Sherm Lewis took over play calling we scored significantly more points the rest of the way. Face it, with JC and Zorn in charge we were bringing a knife to a gunfight every Sunday. This year will be way different....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 8, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2

whatever, cause the running game was AWESOME, the play book was cut in half cause the joke for a RG was being blown into the backfield every play, and the 2 most consistent offensive producers of the last 5 years (Portis and Cooley) we're injured.

and it's JC's fault AND the line wasn't that bad.

hall of fame comment exchange here, good work guys

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Best thing to do is not feed the um...herd (to borrow from our bovine friend).

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM

I know folks love to chew the cud of players like Torrence, Pierce, and Ryan Clark. Most of it is in good fun, however the JC talk has already made its way thru the cow and has come out the other end. I guess some people just love to keep stepping in it.

with all due respect to Moo...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

why dont more people call out the cork when he lies?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:25 PM

That's what he lives and post for. Best to ignore the cork.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record JC is a Back up QB @ best. Dont make any excuses for him, Tim Tebow can change his throwing release in 6 weeks and Campell has had 5 years or so. He does not posses the mind, or work ethic to be an effective starter...HE IS A BACK UP

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311

Campbell never needed to change his throwing motion, so why would he genius??

how the f do you know what tebow can do in 6 weeks?? he's taken zero snaps at this level

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

That's what he lives and post for. Best to ignore the cork.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:31 PM

ohhhhhhh. im new here and i didnt know that. a few people were trying to refute my O-line research here and were not paying attention to the fact that theCork was totally wrong on so many levels. I thought theCork was untouchable or sumthin.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

McNabb then laughed about his threat to retire if traded to the Raiders.

"This is the problem with some of these so-called key analysts and these smart guys out there who go by 'sources,'" McNabb said. "So many people listen to different sources 'close to' the individual, but never the individual, saying that I would have not showed up in Oakland, I would have been upset."


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/08/donovan-mcnabb-says-he-would-have-played-for-the-raiders/

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

skinshaveagm

"I thought theCork was untouchable or sumthin'"


No one in this blog is untouchable.

And it's best that we all remember that.

Unless, of course, you come my way.

'Cuz if you do, you'll discover that I like to touch myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly on drafting a QB: 'That's all out the water now'

Amazing. Malcom Kelly hasn't done horseshti since he came on board two years ago and some WaPo journalist is quoting him like he can speak with authority.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought theCork was untouchable or sumthin.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:39 PM

I doubt you are truly new, but if so..welcome.

The only blogger that is untouchable is League-Source. If you don't believe me you should ask his wife.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

It's no accident good teams use high picks on OLinemen...

Posted by: TheCork | April 8, 2010 4:57 PM

Oh you mean like the Clevelands, who've drafted 5 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including two 1st rounders?

Or mebbe the Jacksonvilles, who've also drafted 5 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including one 1st rounder and two second rounders?

Let's look at the perennial powerhouse Buffalos: 8 drafted O-linemen in da past 5 drafts including a 1st and 2nd rounder.

Howabout da St.Louiss, who've drafted 10 O-linemen the past 5 drafts including two 1st rounders and two 3rd rounders?

In conclusion the real good teams have used 13 top picks on O-linemen. Six 1st rounders, three 2nd rounders, and four 3rd rounders.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse


Point taken but its the same teams that suck because they dont know how to spot talent regardless of the position they draft . Take for example the Ravens: Jonathan Ogden, Michael Oher, Ben Grubs(all 1st rounders) Its obvious they can spot o lineman. so with Shanahan "knowing how to spot em" Drafting a well needed lineman (or 4) is Ideal for the squad

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

New by about two months. But I've gathered enough to figure out who has fubball knowledge and who doesn't

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"However...It's over for him (JC)and so that should also be the end of the debate."

I beg to differ.

Jason Campbell threw for 3,600 yards behind a porous line to mostly developing receivers for a weak playcalling head coach.

Some Dennis Green type head coach will say, "Why not?" and give him a shot behind an established quarterback.

Some other head coach will think, "I wonder how he would perform if the sitaution around him improves?"

D Carr, J Harrington, D Culpepper, C Simms, S Wallace, R Grossman, C Redman, A Smith, V Young, M Leinhart, and B Leftwich have all been second, third and fourth chances in the league.

Jason Campbell will get his, trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Point taken but its the same teams that suck because they dont know how to spot talent regardless of the position they draft . Take for example the Ravens: Jonathan Ogden, Michael Oher, Ben Grubs(all 1st rounders) Its obvious they can spot o lineman. so with Shanahan "knowing how to spot em" Drafting a well needed lineman (or 4) is Ideal for the squad

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 9:49 PM

eh. I happen to think many of those O-linemen taken are pretty good. Joe Thomas is superb and Alex Mack will be too. But I see no future for Cleveland.

You could be right, or you could be wrong, then again if you were wrong wouldn't your handle be "TheCork" ?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

"Jonathan Ogden, Michael Oher, Ben Grubs(all 1st rounders) Its obvious they can spot o lineman."

I think the evidence suggests that Ozzie Newsome has a lot of confidence in his ability to draft linemen, and not so much in his ability to pick WRs.

But if you look at it, a guy like Jon Ogden, he's a consensus pick -- any GM who DIDN'T pick him would be in for a grilling. In the weird psychology of draft day, Oher plummeted from a top five pick to 23, where he was such an obvious value that once again, there'd be questions if Ozzie had passed on him. Grubbs was actually the only questionable pick in the group, and he took a while to develop. And Gaither at left tackle, of course -- that's not worked out as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Good one, Diesel44, though I thought it would end, "...just ask her husband."

How's your husband? Have he and his secretary come back from Florida yet?

Posted by: League-Source | April 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have no track record of spotting defensive talent.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

King Joffe Joffer says:
"this man is beneath me, and so is his daughter!"

What kind of music do you like?
"Whatever kinda music you like"

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | April 8, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

how the f do you know what tebow can do in 6 weeks?? he's taken zero snaps at this level

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse


You should read before you come @ me fool. I said Tebow changed his THROWING RELEASE(thats a fact not an opinion), i know cuz i watched his pro day. and he did it in 6 weeks. which takes work ethic and dedication . Traits that JC OBVIOUSLY does not posses

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

The pundits are saying that Tebow is climbing into the second half of the first round. That's not surprising, because so many scouts and GMs are attracted by the idea that he's a 'winner', even if the game he won so often at bears little resemblance to the one he'd play in the NFL. Paradoxically, Jimmy Clausen, who is well-trained for the League, is plummeting because his team finished 6-6 -- even though his defense was giving up 400 yards a game.

It's all about psychology, this draft thing. Psychology, and hype. Teams spend all this time and money scouting players, and then are likely to toss it all out and go on their 'instincts', a euphemism for emotions.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 9:53 PM

I agree. I meant it's over for him in D.C.

I have no doubt he could be successful in the right situation. However, I’d rather discuss what we're going to do with the 4th rd pick we get in exchange for him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:54 PM |


touche my fren' but they aint got McFag

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 9:54 PM |


touche my fren' but they aint got McFagg

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"I said Tebow changed his THROWING RELEASE(thats a fact not an opinion), i know cuz i watched his pro day. and he did it in 6 weeks. which takes work ethic and dedication . Traits that JC OBVIOUSLY does not possesPosted by: Marley-Nowell_311"

i think Campbell has plenty of both. It's talent he's not so long on.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

how the f do you know what tebow can do in 6 weeks?? he's taken zero snaps at this level

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse


You should read before you come @ me fool. I said Tebow changed his THROWING RELEASE(thats a fact not an opinion), i know cuz i watched his pro day. and he did it in 6 weeks. which takes work ethic and dedication . Traits that JC OBVIOUSLY does not posses

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311

oooooooooooooooh, he changes his release, and has taken zero snaps at this level, and noone has questioned Campbell's work ethic, not Gibbs, not Zorn, not Shanny, not Holmgren, not Vinny, or anyone else. maybe, YOU should read before you start HATING.

Campbell's throwing motion was fine in college, no change needed, and he was undefeated his senior year~boo ya

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Instead of a public spat it seems like the Skins FO could have come up with a better way to deal with AH. Tell him that the team is going to do 3-4 and what his role would be, then if he doesn't like it tell him they will try to find another team for him and by the way if he drops a few lbs it would help make him more attractive to them. With the way things have gone, in the minds of other teams now he is an overweight, overpaid malcontent that the Skins are desperate to unload - in other words a nightmare to try and get any kind of decent trade value out of, quite a tumble for someone who not too long ago was defensive POY.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Best thing to do is not feed the um...herd (to borrow from our bovine friend).

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 9:22 PM

I know folks love to chew the cud of players like Torrence, Pierce, and Ryan Clark. Most of it is in good fun, however the JC talk has already made its way thru the cow and has come out the other end. I guess some people just love to keep stepping in it.

with all due respect to Moo...

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 9:30 PM

this is a complex yet inevitable process, as illustrated by the inner workings of cows:

http://msetdata.rst2.edu/portfolios/b/brewster_r/rumen/images/zepictures/cow4%20copy.jpg

not sure where the periculum fits vis the reticulum

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

touche my fren' but they aint got McFagg

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:05 PM
McNabb is a Redskin now, not an Iggle. you don't have to hate him anymore. You'll luv him even more after he stomps the Cowipes twice this season friendo. heh heh

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

i think Campbell has plenty of both. It's talent he's not so long on.


Just curious why do you think he has both? he stil Cant hit Moss in stride going deep. thats just takes a liltte extra practice (work ethic), and his release is one of the slowest ive ever seen, why has he not tried to tweek it(dedication) changing his release would probly cut his picks in half and drop his sack total noticeably....did i mention he is like a 5 year veteran? if he aint changed it by now he must be content will his sub par carrer

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

i think Campbell has plenty of both. It's talent he's not so long on.


Just curious why do you think he has both? he stil Cant hit Moss in stride going deep. thats just takes a liltte extra practice (work ethic), and his release is one of the slowest ive ever seen, why has he not tried to tweek it(dedication) changing his release would probly cut his picks in half and drop his sack total noticeably....did i mention he is like a 5 year veteran? if he aint changed it by now he must be content will his sub par carerr

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

this is a complex yet inevitable process, as illustrated by the inner workings of cows:

http://msetdata.rst2.edu/portfolios/b/brewster_r/rumen/images/zepictures/cow4%20copy.jpg

not sure where the periculum fits vis the reticulum

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Wait, that's not a cow...it's a unicorn! Quick, package it along with Betts, a large fry, and Haynesworth for NE's entire draft!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | April 8, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 9:59 PM

You could change your throwing motion in 20 minutes if you want to. But it doesnt mean anything if he cant do it during a game, you know with other people on the field. And since he hasnt played in a nfl game he might as well be Todd Marinovich until he proves otherwise.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I love how some people think teams are willing to throw picks to us for fat Albert. Until Vinny Cerrato finds a new job, no GM is cracked out enough to give an out of shape, part time, selfish player the kind of money he is owed on his contract. Nor are they willing to deal with it.

If only he ran a 4.3 40 yard dash, we might be able to pawn him off on Al Davis like UMD did with Darius "Carlos Rogers" Heyward-Bey.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | April 8, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have no track record of spotting defensive talent."

Well, they really don't have to build a defense.

Their singular most important job is finding the personnel pieces that, when put on the field, becomes an offense that scores roughly 21-24 points a game.

24 points on the regular plus a defense that gets sacks and turnovers creates a 10-6 and the occasional 11-5 team.

And such teams are what we all dream of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Good luck tryna sell Tim Tebow as an NFL quarterback. tough to project him and the odds are against it

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Campbell's throwing motion was fine in college, no change needed, and he was undefeated his senior year~boo ya

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:08 PM |


He did not loose his senior year beacuse of the crucial running attack of Ronnie Brown an Carnel (Cadilac) Willams.Campell is just average if you ever watch the skins you would see the wins were all on CP and D just like in College were RB CW bailed him out...He is a back up nothing more. JC sucks man.... Denile is not a river in Egypt) its yo state of mind... i ant b leave u brung up college. LMFAO hmm college...uhhhh

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I think we contend if we pick up Okung and Flozell Adams

Posted by: rickyroge | April 8, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Im not trying to sell Tebow as an NFL QB but i do know his work ethic exceed that of JC's

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Is there any way we can get C.J. Spiller!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 8, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:05 PM
McNabb is a Redskin now, not an Iggle. you don't have to hate him anymore. You'll luv him even more after he stomps the Cowipes twice this season friendo. heh heh

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I dont hate McSabb i just think He looks like a McFagg

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311

why do you think Tebow will be better? charlie ward was a 'winner' too and he was a good point guard and not ever a QB

Campbell was the 15th highest rated QB in the NFL last year and we SUCKED, portis and cooley (the only consistent offensive producers of the last 5 years) injured. The O line was ranked 29th

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse


shut yo facesk up.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

You could change your throwing motion in 20 minutes if you want to. But it doesnt mean anything if he cant do it during a game, you know with other people on the field. And since he hasnt played in a nfl game he might as well be Todd Marinovich until he proves otherwise.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 8, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Im not vouching for Tebow(even though is upside is uncanny) im just telling you ignorant fools that JC is a Back up @ best, and has done nothing to prove otherwise, NOTHING!

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

oooooooooooooooh, he changes his release, and has taken zero snaps at this level, and noone has questioned Campbell's work ethic, not Gibbs, not Zorn, not Shanny, not Holmgren, not Vinny, or anyone else. maybe, YOU should read before you start HATING.

Campbell's throwing motion was fine in college, no change needed, and he was undefeated his senior year~boo ya

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:08 PM
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Yeah.. I know its more JC bashing.. but, I have been doing that for 2 years now, why stop...And I'd prefer to call it "trend spotting" and I was ahead of the curve.. case in point..... Last year 31 GMs told Snyder "NO" to taking JC for a 3rd round. And this year it took Shanahan 3 months of film study to figure it out too.. And considering no GMs are sending plane tickets to JC for the official mutual butt sniffing visits.. 32 GMs are still convinced he is a back-up QB..

Ref gibbs and zorn.. Gibbs did imply during his effusiveness about Collin's 4-0 W-L success that JC was not a student of the game as much as Collins. Saunders had to trim the playbook the SECOND year... So, how long does it take to learn a playbook with crib notes on your wrist? And Zorn made negative comments on JC, when JC broke the silence of mutual trust by saying the season was "unfair" to him. And, Zorn also had to simplify the Playbook. Neither Zorn or Gibbs have ever said anything complementary about JC's game preparation. In the 4 years of tape of JC on the bench between series.. you will never see him studying the defensive formation photos edited and faxed down to the bench from the DC's box like you see 90 percent of other NFL QBs do.
He just didnt seem to care until threatened that someone would take his starting job.. ie. requesting a trade when Sanchez was of interest to Snyder.

by the way, skinshaveaGM.....skins really dont have a GM.. its Bruce Allen the capologist..and Shanny the "Head Coach/GM".

But, WTF..as long as they win..And our chances have improved dramatically with a QB that fits the system...Its been 19 long years.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

And Gaither at left tackle, of course -- that's not worked out as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 8, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse


??

Gaither is a beast at LT, and he's only 24. Bit by the injury bug some, but that's the only knock.

For a 4th round pick he's been exceptional and one of the best young tackles in the league.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I DID NOT SAY HE WILL BE BETTER....JUST READ i said his work ethic and dedication is better damm i feel like a broken record. ill repeat it again if you dont understand the difference

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about the JC debate is that each side thinks that they can convince the other side to change their minds.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

touche my fren' but they aint got McFagg

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:05 PM

McNabb is a Redskin now, not an Iggle. you don't have to hate him anymore. You'll luv him even more after he stomps the Cowipes twice this season friendo. heh heh

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:11 PM |

The importance of a little help from your friends:

Gas Station Proprietor: Y'all gettin' any rain up your way?
Anton Chigurh: What way would that be?
Gas Station Proprietor: I seen you was from Dallas.
Anton Chigurh: What business is it of yours where I'm from, friendo?

Tony Montana: Okay Sosa; You wanna f*ck with me? You f*cking with the best! You wanna f*ck with me? Okay. You little cockroaches... come on. You wanna play games? Okay, I play with you; come on. Okay. You wanna play rough? Okay. Say hello to my little friend!

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

For a 4th round pick he's been exceptional and one of the best young tackles in the league.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

thought Gaither was a 5th rounder?

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about the JC debate is that each side thinks that they can convince the other side to change their minds.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 10:40 PM

thats any issue. like the trade Haynesworth debate

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Gas Station Proprietor: Y'all gettin' any rain up your way?
Anton Chigurh: What way would that be?
Gas Station Proprietor: I seen you was from Dallas.
Anton Chigurh: What business is it of yours where I'm from, friendo?


LMFAO... SIR im not @ liberty to give out that im4mashun

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The funny thing about the JC debate is that each side thinks that they can convince the other side to change their minds.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse


As far as I'm concerned the debate is over.

Shanny decided he'd rather spend a couple picks to get another QB rather than give JC17 a shot to win the job - even at a discount rate and when picks were a premium. Shows how much he believed in JC17.

End of debate.

I doubt it will silence the fanatical JC17 supporters who still feel the need to defend the man's posterity, but I - for one - am finished with the argument.

Too bad it didn't work out, have a nice life, Soup.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

well you are talking out the side of your neck

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm out.

Think I'll grill a steak tonite.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 4:24 PM |

...

And such teams are what we all dream of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 8, 2010 10:17 PM |

What happened? Did the siren call of RI suck you back in?

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Campbell was the 15th highest rated QB in the NFL last year...

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:32 PM
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thats why 32 GMs are stepping over each other to sign him.. His stats are bogus.. A better stat is he has nearly the lowest TD scoring efficiency in the history of the NFL.. something around 210th out of 219 QBs who have thrown for more than 900 passes (Boswell quote).
Thats 75 years of QBs!!
Two thirds of the games last year were in prevent D by the opposing teams... But the final scores look close because of the worthless "give up" scores that never threatened to win the game. Basically, go ahead and score.. We'll get the ball back and run out the clock.. Lions game is a perfect example that comes to mind.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Gas Station Proprietor: Is something wrong?
Anton Chigurh: With What?
Gas Station Proprietor: With anything?
Anton Chigurh: Is that what you are asking me? Is there something wrong with anything?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

For a 4th round pick he's been exceptional and one of the best young tackles in the league.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

thought Gaither was a 5th rounder?

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse


5th rounder in the supplemental draft, which would mean that Bmore surrenders a 4th round pick.

Posted by: p1funk | April 8, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"No. 1, he has arm strength," Shanahan said. "He's got playing experience. He's been in a number of different systems, so he can adapt to different systems.

"He's a big guy and an excellent athlete and he's worker."

Shanahan, however, has not given Campbell assurances about his standing.

"This game is, this league is, game by game [and] season by season. You've got to go out there and perform, and that's what I think Jason does. He's going to do everything he possibly can to get himself ready for the season. He's there, studying and working, giving himself the best possibility to have a great year. And that's all you can ask a guy to do."


who isn't reading?

anyhoo, it's all out the water now

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Wait, that's not a cow...it's a unicorn! Quick, package it along with Betts, a large fry, and Haynesworth for NE's entire draft!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | April 8, 2010 10:14 PM

you forgot Portis and a milkshake. not sure what else goes with this, hopefully not a burger.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | April 8, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

This from ESPN:

After a warm reception, Tiger shot 68 Thursday.

So Tiger did 18 holes today. Must seem like old times to him, no?

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Gas Station Proprietor: Is something wrong?
Anton Chigurh: With What?
Gas Station Proprietor: With anything?
Anton Chigurh: Is that what you are asking me? Is there something wrong with anything?
Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse


lmao

Posted by: Marley-Nowell_311 | April 8, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

anyhoo, it's all out the water now

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 8, 2010 10:56 PM |

Dude must be a recent graduate of the Clinton Portis School of Grammar and Talkin' Fly.

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 11:09 PM

Dude, there is no "e" in Dud.

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Diesel--what do you think of Taylor Mays and could he benefit the Washingtons?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"thats all out the water now"
Rick Maese must of been laughing and crying at the same time when he posted that quote. Crying because that brilliant orator will make more in a year than Maese will see in a decade or two.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 8, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

This from ESPN:

After a warm reception, Tiger shot 68 Thursday.
Posted by: BiggerVance | April 8, 2010 11:03 PM

Really? Tiger shot 68 receptionists?

Posted by: abxinc | April 8, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Gas Station Proprietor: Is something wrong?
Anton Chigurh: With What?
Gas Station Proprietor: With anything?
Anton Chigurh: Is that what you are asking me? Is there something wrong with anything?
Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:49 PM |

I don't know why I found that so funny but I did. I chuckled for a while at that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 8, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Diesel--what do you think of Taylor Mays and could he benefit the Washingtons?

Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 11:15 PM

He's a SS or even an OLB at the next level. Physically he has it all but much like our very own LL30…..he can't cover his shadow.

There is a phrase I like to use…Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

People are always looking for the next ST21, but there is and was only one.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 8, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

i'm really glad i got to see the Redskins' superbowl wins and the best offensive line in history.

according to some the game has changed to the point where a functional OL is superfluous. thank goodness the coaches only need ten just-a-guys to pair with DMac.

all picks should be used on QB's and defensive players. that should make rebuilding just a little easier.

i will really miss watching stellar line play, but as long as a QB and coaching trump vicious defense...i can't believe i spent the last three offseasons hoping for an OL upgrade, how can i have been so misguided.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 9, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Keep Haynesworth.

Draft Okung.

Trade Campbell.

Posted by: edvar | April 9, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Trade AH, CP, JC fro Jason Lacanfora

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | April 9, 2010 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Ok now let's see what the JC excuses are after this break down..no music video but rather breaking down the film...and the film well it does not fib.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM&feature=related

Posted by: leevi98

Every time I see that video, I see 4 plays, but I don't see them all the same way Casserly does.

On the 1st play, Randle El is open for 5 yards downfield. The dump pass gets 6. But watch ARE decide NOT to be a lead blocker. If ARE goes after the guy that winds up tackling Portis, Portis can cut back and gain at least a few more yards, maybe a lot more. And I'd rather have Portis running in the open field than ARE. On that play, Campbell makes the right choice, ARE misses the block that could have sprung the play.

The play to Moss is another short play. Moss had no chance to gain extra yards on that throw. A DB was jumping the pattern. Still, Sellers has forward momentum and better potential to make it a big play. He actually gets a couple less yards on the play. Still, I agree with Casserly, that throw should have gone to Moss. fwiw, Portis fumbled the ball away on the next play.

The 1st play to Cooley, Casserly says he's open behind the LBs, but you don't see behind the LBs because its off the screen. Watch it carefully and eventually you see Cooley's got the attention of one safety and is moving into an area where another cover guy is. Its a make-able throw, but not an easy one since it becomes double coverage. Davis is man coverage, the throw is low risk ... he gets about 11 yards and a 1st down. The higher risk throw would get about 17 yards. That play could have gone to either guy. I'm fine with the lower risk, better match-up throw.

The 2nd play to Cooley is another where you can't see the entire play. You can see Cooley makes the break and get wide open, but it also appears Campbell is still dropping back as Cooley gets open. That is a timing issue. Don't know if the play design is wrong (the receiver should be making the break when the QB finishes the dropback, not before), or if Cooley broke to soon or Campbell got back too slowly or something else went wrong. Anyway, Casserly is yelling don't hold the ball -- but we can't see when Campbell's dropback ends, so we don't know if he's waiting to throw it or not. Keep in mind a receiver 20 yards from the QB probably takes about 3 steps while the ball is in the air. On that play, I don't know what the issue was. Could have been Campbell, could have been Cooley, could have been the play design.

3 of the 4 plays succeeded. The 4th didn't. Casserly has some good points, but when I look at it very carefully, I see some of the issues Casserly does, but not all.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2010 3:36 AM | Report abuse

3 of the 4 plays succeeded. The 4th didn't. Casserly has some good points, but when I look at it very carefully, I see some of the issues Casserly does, but not all.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2010 3:36 AM | Report abuse
I saw that also. Those are not good videos for analyzing a play. Too narrow, you can't see the entire field, all of the defenders.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 3:40 AM | Report abuse

Gas Station Proprietor: Is something wrong?
Anton Chigurh: With What?
Gas Station Proprietor: With anything?
Anton Chigurh: Is that what you are asking me? Is there something wrong with anything?
Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 8, 2010 10:49 PM |

I don't know why I found that so funny but I did. I chuckled for a while at that.

Posted by: scampbell1975

The waiter comes over to the table of 5 Jewish women. He asks, "Is anything OK?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 9, 2010 4:24 AM | Report abuse

To review the last couple threads:

-Malcolm Kelly should shut up about the draft and just get his game tight. Unless he's a scout now, nobody cares.

-Love Philip Buchanon as a return man. Hate him as anything more than a 3 or 4th corner.

-Love what I'm hearing about McNabb so far. Looks like this guy is the real deal and could have a profound effect on the whole offense. Here's hoping that adds more W's in the standings sooner rather than later.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Well, those are the highlights. But they kind of ignore the 350 pound elephant in the room. Or, not in the room.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

You forgot Ah is still on/with the team and no lynching party will be necessary. No more discussion required until further developments appear eminent that he would be house hunting in a different city or zoo.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 9, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Guys, I've about had my fill of AH for a while...I literally went home exhausted from arguing with pfunk about it all day yesterday. We'll find out his fate soon enough...

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 9, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Not sure why you put so much time into it. That was about as productive as some of those dumb-ass arguments you used to have up here with talent_evaluator. Glad that guy got run off.

Posted by: League-Source | April 9, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | April 9, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

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