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McNabb-Owens talk typifies chatter that flies before the draft


I wasn't surprised Tuesday night when Washington Post columnist Michael Wilbon called to tell me Donovan McNabb had told him that he did not encourage the Redskins' coaching staff to sign free-agent wide receiver Terrell Owens.

Despite helping the Philadelphia Eagles reach a Super Bowl together, McNabb and Owens did not get along (to say the least), so it didn't make sense to me that McNabb would lobby for Owens, who at 37 no longer is a game-changer. Asked about Owens in an ESPN interview Tuesday night, Coach Mike Shanahan indicated the team "will not go in that direction right now" as it seeks to upgrade its receiving corps.

But the Redskins definitely are interested in upgrading at wideout, which is why it also didn't shock me Tuesday night when an assistant coach on another NFC team called to tell me he's hearing some buzz about third-year wide receiver Devin Thomas. Apparently, Thomas's name has been mentioned around the league in trade scenarios involving the Redskins.

Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen have been very aggressive in initiating a major, long-overdue roster overhaul that some NFL people expect to continue through the three-day draft that begins Thursday in New York City. Overall, the offensive line has been the team's weakest unit since the middle of the 2008 season, so there were quite a few chuckles recently over offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan's assessment of the group.

But we've been hearing for some time that the Shanahans actually were pleasantly surprised with the talent level of Washington's interior linemen; it's the tackle position that's really bad. Wide receiver is another problem area for the Shanahans, who are used to working with big-time performers at the position. Of course, Thomas and fellow third-year receiver Malcolm Kelly might be on the verge of big things, but they're not established performers after two seasons.

Kelly began last season as the Redskins' No. 2 receiver opposite Santana Moss, but Thomas moved ahead of him on the depth chart and finished the season as the starter. Thomas had (by far) the best game of his brief NFL career in an overtime loss to the New Orleans Saints last season at FedEx Field -- seven receptions, 100 yards and two touchdowns.

The Redskins' first pick in the 2008 draft, Thomas has embraced the regime change in Ashburn and has spoken of taking on more responsibility in the offense and locker room. Perhaps Thomas will get the chance to prove to Shanahan he is part of the solution moving forward.

The reality is that at this time of the year teams discuss many trades that never come to fruition, and stuff really flies around in the days right before the draft. But Shanahan and Allen apparently are still trying to do a lot to improve the team, so it's not surprising they might be open to moving even young players who recently were top picks.

By Jason Reid  |  April 21, 2010; 9:33 AM ET
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Posted by: 2ndtierfan | April 21, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

"...if the Rams pass on Bradford, do you see the Skins jumping on that grenade?"

Calling this scenario a grenade is an understatement.

Because what would matter then, is if the FO felt it could somehow move a player on the roster to get a second rounder with the hopes of drafting a tackle.

And therein lies the issue: a second round tackle won't be like a first rounder.

Now, if the titans give up their 1st and 3rd for AH, then that changes things completely.

You could take Bradford, take a mid 1st round tackle, and use your third to take another lineman.

Let's just hope the team takes T Williams and ends all this coulda, woulda, shoulda stuff.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Why on earth would we trade Thomas?

The guy was the 34th pick 2 years ago and has been improving every week it seems. Him and MK can only get better with a good QB in there.

We'd never get a good enough return on him with him being unproven. He'd probably only fetch a 4th. And then what, we have even less WRs?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

to me, trading Thomas at this point is foolish..any of those guys MK, DT, FD, lets see what we have in them with a REAL coach, and a REAL scheme, before we dump them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

We'd never get a good enough return on him with him being unproven. He'd probably only fetch a 4th. And then what, we have even less WRs?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:02 AM |

This is more BS before the draft talk.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Now, if the titans give up their 1st and 3rd for AH, then that changes things completely.

You could take Bradford, take a mid 1st round tackle, and use your third to take another lineman.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:01 AM

Now THAT would be a grenade. But I don't see the Titans giving up a 2nd and 4th, let alone a 1st and 3rd.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

ryp

"Now THAT would be a grenade. But I don't see the Titans giving up a 2nd and 4th, let alone a 1st and 3rd."

The titans don't have a second round pick.

They have a first and 2 thirds, one of which is a compensatory pick that can't be traded.

The lions, on the other hand, have a 1st and 2nd, but do you think they'd stop re-building to add AH to their young, impressionable roster?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

We can't trade Devin Thomas!!!!! He has too much potential. Before he got injured last season, he was playing very good. I would love to see both MK12 and DT11 become our starting WR. With Tana in the slot.

Posted by: roccoskins | April 21, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

to me, trading Thomas at this point is foolish..any of those guys MK, DT, FD, lets see what we have in them with a REAL coach, and a REAL scheme, before we dump them....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention a real QB throwing them the ball

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 21, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I think there is ZERO percent chance the 'skins take Bradford, even if he is available at 4. Why would they? You can't take a guy at 4 and not play him for 2 years. If he's available at 4, then they will swap picks with the highest bidder among Buffalo, Cleveland, or Seattle. This, IMO, is the ideal scenario.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 21, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

They have a first and 2 thirds, one of which is a compensatory pick that can't be traded.

The lions, on the other hand, have a 1st and 2nd, but do you think they'd stop re-building to add AH to their young, impressionable roster?


Posted by: MistaMoe

Nope. And I honestly can't see us getting more than a 2nd round pick for AH at this point.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

McNabb-Owens talk typifies chatter about the Skins.

Because Dan Snyder has a well-earned bad reputation about going for the over-the-hill big name instead of rewarding home-grown talent.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 21, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

If he's available at 4....

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 21, 2010 10:14 AM

And if George Bush becomes a nucular weapons scientist....

He will be picked at number 1. If the Rams don't want him, then they'll trade the pick. Bradford will be the first off the boards.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

With all of the new faces on the team I was kind of hoping that the schedule would allow a tuneup game or two before facing off against a division rival. But we get to open up against Dallas….oh well. At least we know that the coaches will run a real training camp this year and practices leading up to the games will be a lot more intense. The skeptic in me worries about the skins “prime time” record as of late, as well as Mcnabb’s penchant for choking on the spotlight. I guess I will be okay as long as he doesn’t do his air guitar in the tunnel. I will be taking Monday sept 13th as a vacation day and will be hung over. Book it.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 21, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

My philosophy is no one is untradable...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't look forward to seeing Devin Thomas become a star somewhere else but honestly, after a 4-12 season no one should be safe.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

...except Orakpo.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Agreed...we need to see what we have in Kelly and Thomas. My guess is that they'll be much improved playing in a REAL offense and a Pro-Bowl QB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 21, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"I don't look forward to seeing Devin Thomas become a star somewhere else but honestly,..."


No one is going to give up draft picks for a guy who hasn't proven himself with real production.

It's an even switch: so why do it?

Now, S Moss on the otherhand.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

shan might keep bradford because he won't believe that he will be drafting high enough to get a franchise qb again--it seems that the McNabb trdae ensures this (8-8).

Posted by: mohawk44 | April 21, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

My philosophy is no one is untradable...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 10:18 AM


I agree with that...but unless someone is offering up a pick as high as the one we spent on Thomas, he's got more upside on the roster than he does trade value. If he's truly matured, I could see him being very productive in this offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 21, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

No one is going to give up draft picks for a guy who hasn't proven himself with real production.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:22 AM

Moe, "trade talks" doesn't require "draft picks." Maybe it was Thomas for someone else's "guy who hasn't proven himself." Or Thomas as part of a package for Santonio Holmes or Brandon Marshall.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

brown well put, the problem is that we're not getting a high 2nd for DT. He's worth more to the team than what you could get in return for him. Same with Davis, Cooley, MK, Moss.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Theres a pattern here right? Everyone seems to have been mentioned in a trade or two. It seems the Shannys and Bruce are trying to prove that no one person is irreplaceable. Everyone is up for grabs and no one is above the Redskins as a whole and I like it. It wouldn't surprise me if we don't trade anyone else this year, but it also wouldn't surprise me if we traded away 5 other players as well.

Trade chatter, trying to keep everyone guessing. Kiper came out today on Mike and Mike and said the dont be surprised if the Skins take Clausen at 4, or Bradford if he falls... all smokescreens to keep everyone guessing and maybe driving up a market for the 4th. I'm a fan of the way things are being run now (outside of Mcnabb but whatever... whats done it done).

Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 21, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Lots of chatter in NYC about Jets players on the block like faneca, s ellis, a few LBs...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Owens is 36...stop reporting he is 37. He will be 37 in December

Posted by: agcoony | April 21, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Owens is 36...stop reporting he is 37. He will be 37 in December

Posted by: agcoony | April 21, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that spliting hairs?

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 21, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

God...RI reports EVERY rumor. It gives us something to chat about but isn't really news is it.
We need to spend on a receiver like we need a hole in the head.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 21, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

refuting your own paper's reporting; what a genius setup. It's a prepetual news machine! lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 21, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

L-Source

"trade talks" doesn't require "draft picks." Maybe it was Thomas for someone else's "guy who hasn't proven himself."

Again: that's a sideays move, who in their right mind does this?

If you want to move a player for picks, why has S Moss been left off the 'possible trade' table where AH, Rock, LL (and I'm not talkin' KoolJ), JC, and Cooley all presently reside?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Lots of chatter in NYC about Jets players on the block like faneca, s ellis, a few LBs...

Posted by: chrislarry


This shouldn't surprise anyone.

It's going to be record trading during the 2010 draft.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Had thought for a while that JC17 might actually fit into the Pittsburgh scheme -- in that in years gone by, they had almost "quarterback-proofed" the position -- and made it relatively easy for any idiot (i.e. Kordel Stewart or Tommy Maddox) to play to an acceptable level simply by handing it off to a big back and/or hitting Holmes or Ward with an occasional short pass across the middle.

And even in the early days of BR7, they were a run-dominant team that occasionally used a passing game to keep the defensive players honest. Hence, when Ben went down, the second or third stringer (say Batch or Leftwich) could come in and do okay.

But the more I thought about it, the less I came to believe that JC17 could have ever succeeded there.

For starters, with greater reliance on BR7 and a "new" offensive coordinator, the Steelers have shifted to a much more pass-oriented scheme -- which seems to rely more on timing patterns, sideline throws and other "nuanced" passes that JC17 has yet to prove he can throw with any degree of accuracy on a consistent basis.

What's more, the Steeelrs look for field leadership from their quarterbacks -- a definite void in JC17's resume.

Finally, the Steelers actually expect the quarterback to make clutch throws when the game is on the line, lead their offensive units down the field into scoring position, and even scramble for an occasional touchdown. Again, these are all areas where JC17 has proven deficiencies.

All of this was reinforced again last night when the Steelers decided to pass on JC17 and resign Leftwich to compete with Batch and Dixon for the backup roles. The long and short of it is that there is no room at the inn in Pittsburgh for JC17.

So again, if I'm JC17 -- and if I really want to get a paycheck and maybe even play a few downs this season -- then I'm stuffing in a large tampon and doubling up on the maxi pads, and reporting to Redskin Park as soon as possible.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 21, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

As long as trades are being suggested, here's one: Maybe we could talk the Steelers into taking McNabb and Campbell in exchange for Rothlesberger.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 21, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Owens is 36...stop reporting he is 37. He will be 37 in December

Posted by: agcoony


When it matters he'll be 37.

You must be one of those people who gives the exact time.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I would think that Thomas has more trade value than Moss at this point in their careers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Dam...4-6 for Big Ben...could be 4 if conditions are met. I say good. Fairs fair...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/report-roethlisberger-gets-4-6-game-suspension/

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Again: that's a sideays move, who in their right mind does this?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 10:36 AM

One man's meat is another man's poison. Or, for Vinny, the grass is always greener.

People make trades because they believe that both teams will be better. Sometimes they're right, sometimes wrong, but when they trade neither team sees it as "a sideways move."

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

agreed cl, fair...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas isn't going anywhere. Two teams - Seattle and Baltimore - called to inquire about his availability and what the Skins might want for him. Neither Shanahan nor Allen initiated any trade action for him. Period.

Posted by: Carl739 | April 21, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

League-Source, because the price of moving up to one is so pricey for a guy who can't play right away, teams may bet that the Rams don't want to draft him. So, if that happens, and given that the lions and bucs are not going to pick a QB, then the 4th pick would be the first real team to consider Bradford, right? So, in that case the skins, if they are lucky, could have a lot of leverage at 4. That's all I'm saying. You don't think that scenario has crossed Shanallahan's mind?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 21, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Santonio Holmes went for a 5th....I don't see any chance of us getting better than that for Thomas.

Posted by: dbuggs | April 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas isn't going anywhere. Two teams - Seattle and Baltimore - called to inquire about his availability and what the Skins might want for him. Neither Shanahan nor Allen initiated any trade action for him. Period.

Posted by: Carl739 | April 21, 2010 10:46 AM

Not saying I don't believe you, but where'd you get that from?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Tradeable commodity. unlike many others on this team it is good to see or hear he has a value.

Posted by: oknow1 | April 21, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You don't think that scenario has crossed Shanallahan's mind?

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 21, 2010 10:47 AM

No, I don't. They know that Bradford will not be on the board at #4, and they need to plan for the possible. This is like asking "Do you think that they've planned for Arizona calling and offering them Larry Fitzgerald for their fifth round pick?"

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Anyone talking about the Carriker deal? I know he hasn't lived up to expectations, but seems like we got him for nothing basically. I like being on this end of a one-sided deal, I could get used to this!

Thoughts?

Posted by: stevek20147 | April 21, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Lots of chatter in NYC about Jets players on the block like faneca, s ellis, a few LBs...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 10:29 AM


If the price is right, I'd be all for picking up Faneca and Ellis. Those guys are older, but they'd be huge upgrades at their respective positions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 21, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Not saying I don't believe you, but where'd you get that from?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:51 AM

It was from PFT. BeantownGreg posted it up here three days ago. Try to keep up.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Ummm... Beaner's PFT posts?! Um, LS... c'mere a second.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 21, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I hope Ben was sternly warned that if he rapes a third time his suspension might be even longer.

Posted by: mack1 | April 21, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Santonio Holmes went for a 5th....I don't see any chance of us getting better than that for Thomas.

Posted by: dbuggs | April 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Holmes is also one blunt away from a year long vacation and it was no secret that Pittsburgh was done with him. His trade value was minimal.

Thomas has not had any off-field issues is on the verge of reaching his vast potential. he's still somewhat of an unknown commodity but I think he's shown enough for some one in need of a receiver to offer a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV, if you're still up here, did you hear about Guru passing away? First CD I bought as a kid was the first Jazzmatazz CD...loved his stuff back to the Gang Starr days. I was pretty bummed to hear about his passing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 21, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

Nope. And I honestly can't see us getting more than a 2nd round pick for AH at this point.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse
_______

You may be right, and if that's the case, he needs to remain a Redskins because that just isn't enough value for him.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 21, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Why would another NFC Coach--just before the draft--who initiated a call to Jason Reid about a Redskins player (violation) -- be considered a "reliable source?"

Santonio Holmes fetched a 5th rounder. Trading Thomas would be a giveaway. Why would Shanahan do that? Report makes no sense.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 21, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Ummm... Beaner's PFT posts?! Um, LS... c'mere a second.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 21, 2010 10:56 AM

Whaddaya mean? I used to think he made that stuff up, but he assured me that they're REAL. He also had some great news about Santa Claus and the tooth fairy (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Not saying I don't believe you, but where'd you get that from?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 10:51 AM

It was from PFT. BeantownGreg posted it up here three days ago. Try to keep up.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 10:55 AM |

Didn't get that info from a BeantownGreg post or from PFT. Email address, Ryp?

Posted by: Carl739 | April 21, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Dam...4-6 for Big Ben...could be 4 if conditions are met. I say good. Fairs fair...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/21/report-roethlisberger-gets-4-6-game-suspension/

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


As much as the Steelers try to protect thier image, why do they continue to sign guys with suspect morals?

Now we all know Plax, Holmes and Roethlisberger but do we forget Najeh Davenport? (the dude who defecated in a girls laundry basket at Barry U)

The best part is that the fans actually came up with a great moniker for him... "The Dump Truck"

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 21, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"when an assistant coach on another NFC team called to tell me he's hearing some buzz about third-year wide receiver Devin Thomas."


Jerry Gray

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I hope Ben was sternly warned that if he rapes a third time his suspension might be even longer.

Posted by: mack1 | April 21, 2010 10:56 AM

LOL!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 21, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

guys, I'm not addressing what I copy and paste from pft again...if you think I make it up, I cannot control that....I put it in quotations so you know its legit, and if you want, I'll preface it by saying, "with all due respect".....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Didn't get that info from a BeantownGreg post or from PFT. Email address, Ryp?

Posted by: Carl739 | April 21, 2010 11:02 AM

rmur23@nycap.rr.com

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Holmes is also one blunt away from a year long vacation
Posted by: Original_etrod

Man, how I'd love to be one blunt away from a year long vacation.
Oh wait. I haven't worked since 1993.
Umm, never mind....

Posted by: RedskinWillie | April 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Willie....we HAVE TO party sometime! I need to con work into flying me to portland...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 21, 2010 10:58 AM |

I agree.

As for Guru, I enjoyed his Dilated Peoples collabos. Was he in Gangstarr back when they did "Now You're Mine"?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

guys, I'm not addressing what I copy and paste from pft again...if you think I make it up, I cannot control that....I put it in quotations so you know its legit, and if you want, I'll preface it by saying, "with all due respect".....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 11:06 AM

Can you also tell them what you told me about the Easter Bunny? They're not believing it when I say it, but maybe if you put it up here it would have some cred.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

"when an assistant coach on another NFC team called to tell me he's hearing some buzz about third-year wide receiver Devin Thomas."


Jerry Gray

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

-----

Jim Zorn.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Nevermind, he said NFC team.

Still, wouldn't shock me if, as reported by Carl###, the two teams interested in Devin Thomas are two teams with former Redskin coaches.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV, if you're still up here, did you hear about Guru passing away? First CD I bought as a kid was the first Jazzmatazz CD...loved his stuff back to the Gang Starr days. I was pretty bummed to hear about his passing.

Posted by: brownwood26

I head about that yesterday, I have only two Gangstarr tracks in my entire library.

His music was a little too cold school for me, but I respect those who laid the groundwork in hip-hop.

I did download a few of his tracks yesterday just to get familiar with his sounds -- yesterday was a "chill" and listen to some tunes kind of day, ya dig?

I think dude was only 43 or about... damn shame.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

haha Greg...jump on them like a spyder monkey

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I had no idea Tim Legler was such a huge Skins fan. He's on ESPN First Take talking about how he woulda hated T.O. coming to D.C.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 21, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

wonder what will happen with Rocky, wonder if there is any value for him on the trade market??

I think we need to seriously upgrade the LB corp, Fletcher is not getting younger.

Would be nice if a Brooks or top flight had issues and we could land him in undrafted FA move, sure that there will be cuts later too

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 21, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

ryp

"As for Guru, I enjoyed his Dilated Peoples collabos. Was he in Gangstarr back when they did "Now You're Mine?"

Unlike most, I still like the sample laced tracks atop heavy boom-bat syncopated beats.

I my mind, real hip hop has cuttin' and scratchin' and lyrics about something other than sitting 'up in da club'.

What depresses about Gurs's death is that unlike, say, Chuck D, I don't think he got the props as a solid old school lyricist.

Then there's the story he and DJ Premier may have had some kind of falling out in the past years like what happen with Run-DMC where the duo won't allow themselves to be seen together in public because of hate for the other guy.

For right now, I'll "Take Two and Pass," and boob my head in a cloud of smoke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I know Matt Taibbi's political writing might rub some of you the wrong way (well the 4/5 of you who read...) but this article on his obsession with the NFL Draft is scary and hysterical:

http://www.mensjournal.com/the-nfl-draft-decoded

(Hat tip Pdiddy via FB)

Posted by: chrislarry | April 21, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

boob my head

um....does Mrs. Moe know about this??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"I think we need to seriously upgrade the LB corp, Fletcher is not getting younger."

Daryl Sharpton, UM, 6' 0", 235 pounds, 5th rounder.

Say what you will about the other positions, but the Canes always have decent pro level 'backers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"boob my head...um....does Mrs. Moe know about this?"

On the real, mrsmoe's mom died recently, and so my usually assertive lawyerly, demanding wife has very much less so.

And when she saw that I had had a boob attached to my head, she looked up from the closing argument she was writing and said, "That reminds me of mom," cried, and continued on like I wasn't there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

brown, they're are a lot of Redskins fans out there people don't know about:

Matthew McConaughey
David Aldridge
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Jimmy Kleinsasser
James Brown (CBS)
Darrell Armstrong
Alonzo Mourning
Matthew Berry (ESPN)

I know there are many more...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher is not getting younger.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 21, 2010 11:21 AM

Are there any players who are getting younger?

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

League-Source, you don't know anything about the NFL draft if you think the Redskins have not considered what they would do if Bradford were available with the 4th pick.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 21, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Then there's the story he and DJ Premier may have had some kind of falling out in the past years like what happen with Run-DMC where the duo won't allow themselves to be seen together in public because of hate for the other guy.

For right now, I'll "Take Two and Pass," and boob my head in a cloud of smoke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 11:22 AM

Yeah GURU's most recent collaborator is trafficking this BS.

Speaking of real hip hop, how did THIS not win the Grammy for best rap performance over DOA?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 21, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

moe, condolences to you and to mrs. moe....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | April 21, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

NFLDraftBible: WHOAH! Steelers "actively" calling teams in the top-10 to trade Big Ben. One team reportedly contemplating taking him. Per Adam Schefter.

Haven't heard AS confirm this yet.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

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Mike Mayock-
"If you need a quarterback and believe there's a franchise quarterback on the board when you draft, you have to take him, because, in my opinion, you can't win a Super Bowl in the NFL without one of those guys."

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 21, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Why on earth would we trade Thomas?

The guy was the 34th pick 2 years ago and has been improving every week it seems. Him and MK can only get better with a good QB in there.

We'd never get a good enough return on him with him being unproven. He'd probably only fetch a 4th. And then what, we have even less WRs?

Posted by: Rypien11

why trade guys you drafted high and have improved every year?

from, jason campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

NFL opening weekend is going to be sick for football. We are going to be so starved for real action by then it’s going to be awesome. Week 1 of the college games doesn’t look too exciting but week 2 looks to have some good classic matchups. Here’s how it plays out.

9/9 – NFL kickoff Vikings at Saints
9/11 College matchups include
- Miami at Ohio St
- Virginia at USC
- Florida St at Oklahoma
- Penn State at Alabama
- Michigan at Notre Dame

And 9/12 has the rest of the NFL games with Skins/Cowboys in primetime Sunday night.
I am telling my wife to go hang out at her sister’s for the weekend.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 21, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Now its confirmed

Adam_Schefter: Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben Roethlisberger for a top 10 pick. At least one team considering it. Story far from done.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

bean

Thanks.

And I'm sorry for trying to turn it into a joke.

One thing that makes a husband really understand his role is when his mother-in-law dies.

It makes you and the missus that much closer.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If you're St. Louis, do you take it. I think you do. If not, the best option will be Jimmy Clausen. That might be a tough sell.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Roethlisberger makes Campbell's market a lot smaller.

This is the year to have lots of draft picks. Hopefully, they will follow through make some trades and get as many back as possible.

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I wish they were receiving trade talks for MK, not DT though.

Posted by: Stu27 | April 21, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

why trade guys you drafted high and have improved every year?

from, jason campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:40 AM

apples and oranges.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

lh, can you decipher the link please for the firewalled challenged?

And for the older heads, fyi, hip-hop is still around. It lives with "hip-hop artist" like Common and Talib Kweli... people like them.

Big difference between hip-hop artist and a "rapper". If you truly know hip-hop/rap, then it shouldn't have to be explained.

I like the best of both though.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Now its confirmed

Adam_Schefter: Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben Roethlisberger for a top 10 pick. At least one team considering it. Story far from done.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

This would make it even less likely that a team would trade up to 4 with us to get Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 21, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

what % of 1st round DTs end up "holding a candle to" AH, I wonder?

make AH work Shanny, THAT is your job

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Give up a top ten pick for a guy who won't be available to you for, at a minimum, 4 games? Ben's good but he's not that good, especially when his play is coupled with his history.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 21, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

why trade guys you drafted high and have improved every year?

from, jason campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:40 AM

apples and oranges.

Posted by: Rypien11

how so? IMO, Campbell is far more proven and valueable then Thomas

p.s. I've been supportive of 11,12,86 from day 1, and there has been A LOT of criticism here and elsewhere

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 11:48 AM

Agree to both...I dig a lot of Mos Def, Jurassic 5, Roots, Common.. but also have to appreciate Jay, Em and the like...

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Now its confirmed

Adam_Schefter: Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben Roethlisberger for a top 10 pick. At least one team considering it. Story far from done.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Though, until I get a PFT post from B-town Greg, I don't really believe this . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"This would make it even less likely that a team would trade up to 4 with us to get Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: rbpalmer"

Unless that team is Pittsburgh.

What if Big Ben goes to Oakland? Then that leaves St. Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and Buffalo all in the market for a QB in the top 10 -- with only 2 "elite" options to select from.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

why trade guys you drafted high and have improved every year?

from, jason campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003

Why are you still discussing him as if he still matters or fits into the teams long term plans?


Inquisitively,
Coach Shanahan

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

This would make it even less likely that a team would trade up to 4 with us to get Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 21, 2010 11:48 AM | Report ab

Maybe, but if they trade with 5th pick or later maybe not. Just depends on who might want him.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Tomorrow should be very interesting. Its nice having an FO and HC who are unpredictable as far as the media is concerned.

However, in today's NFL draft picks are worth far more than in the past. Especially in this year's non-cap year draft. Here's hoping they get lots of draft picks as opposed to more quarterbacks. Its been looking too much like a redo of the "Over The Hill Gang".

Posted by: periculum | April 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

League-Source, you don't know anything about the NFL draft if you think the Redskins have not considered what they would do if Bradford were available with the 4th pick.

Posted by: ZardsFan1 | April 21, 2010 11:37 AM

Right. Thanks for your feedback. And may I offer that you don't know anything about anything if you're a ZardsFan.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher is not getting younger.

Posted by: mhartz1 | April 21, 2010 11:21 AM

Link, please?

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 21, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

A top 10 pick for a guy who's one unauthorized "look at my tally wacker" away from a season long suspension? No way.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 21, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Big Ben to Buffalo. Book it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Pour vous Monsieur RougeDMV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmMXZfDkOmI

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 21, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Taibbi's article particularly on drafting a left tackle. Hopefully the Redskins does, too, but I have a feeling they will trade down. And possibly trade for a veteran OT. So, we'll see tomorrow.

Posted by: RedCherokee | April 21, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Ben's good but he's not that good, especially when his play is coupled with his history.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 21, 2010 11:51 AM

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Mike Mayock-
"...in my opinion, you can't win a Super Bowl in the NFL without one of [those guys]" id est: [Franchise QB]

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 21, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

trade haynesworth for Ben
take claussen at #4
trade campbell, landry, and portis and the rest of our draft pix for Bradford

then:
Ben, McNabb, Bradford, Claussen, Grassman, brennan

super QB dynasty 0-16

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

why trade guys you drafted high and have improved every year?

from, jason campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003


Why are you still discussing him as if he still matters or fits into the teams long term plans?


Inquisitively,
Coach Shanahan

Posted by: RedDMV

where the F is McNabbs' extension, this is highly unusual (see every other trade for marquis player)

worried, Haynesworth smokescreen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Great list, Red...I knew a lot of those names but McConaughey is a total shock since he's such a big Longhorns fan. I thought for sure he'd be a d-bag Dallas fan.

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 21, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Though, until I get a PFT post from B-town Greg, I don't really believe this . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

True, B-Greg does have an uncanny ability to get inside information. I think he secretly buys Peter King lunch at all you can eat buffets and happily listens to his nonstop babble about the amazing Starbucks coffee brewing process.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

how so? IMO, Campbell is far more proven and valueable then Thomas

p.s. I've been supportive of 11,12,86 from day 1, and there has been A LOT of criticism here and elsewhere

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 11:52 AM

I agree that Campbell is more valuable and proven. That's why it makes more sense to trade him than DT/MK/FD, who are unproven, and we'll never get a fair return on them for what their potential is to our team. Not to mention,
1. QB is a radically different position
2. WRs are notoriously slow starters and DT has been in the league 3 years less than JC, but is already showing promise.
3. I would say JC is a lot closer to his "peak" than DT is.
4. WR would become even more a position of weakness, compared to QB where we are pretty much set at this point.

Like someone said, WR-TE-WR have a lot more upside being on our roster than they do in trade value. The same can't be said for Campbell anymore.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

A top 10 pick for a guy who's one unauthorized "look at my tally wacker" away from a season long suspension? No way.

Posted by: 4-12 | April 21, 2010 11:55 AM

They're going to rework his contract to insert a eunuch clause. Book it.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I was no fan of the 'Vinny Trio' and still don't think that Kelly is better than Marko, but Thomas has shown that he can be dangerous on Teams and we desperately need to get more than 8 yards/return or juking for 10 yards across field to get 3 up field like ARE used to. Dude is a keeper. Now if you want to move Kelly for a pick, I'm cool with that.

It's Marko's time...

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 21, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Ben should go to the Raiders

good fit

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

psps23, is Cleveland really in the market for QB this year? I've read that Berry is their guy. I think Clausen's people are pumping the Browns' interest. The Skins really don't have any leverage with anyone picking behind them that is interested in Bradford/Clausen. With the acquisition of the DM, the Skins have taken themselves out of the QB market. That means Buffalo, Cleveland, and Seattle don't have to make a deal with the Skins to move up. If the Skins don't pick Clausen he's going to fall to one of those guys or they will trade with someone behind the Skins to move up at a lower cost.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 21, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Ben should go to the Raiders

good fit

Posted by: pabrian2003

No, that's where Jason Campbell will go.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 21, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

...this point.

Like someone said, WR-TE-WR have a lot more upside being on our roster than they do in trade value. The same can't be said for Campbell anymore.

Posted by: Rypien11

good explanation, have you been critical of 11, 12, and/or 86 in the past? just curious

all the players who are good have trade value, seems like a wash

anyway, I realize you were saying we shouldn't trade thomas. I'm just worried that this team is on the jason taylor~then Haynesworth~then mcNabb~one and done cycle

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Ben should go to the Raiders

good fit

Posted by: pabrian2003

No, that's where Jason Campbell will go.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

JC's too nice

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Thomas has shown that he can be dangerous on Teams...

Posted by: kahlua87 | April 21, 2010 12:03 PM

Dangerous? His stats weren't as good as Rock Cartwright's last year. His average of 22.0 yards per return ranked him at number 71 in the league. Rock was number 67.

I'm not in favor of trading him, but dangerous he's not.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

where the F is McNabbs' extension, this is highly unusual (see every other trade for marquis player)

worried, Haynesworth smokescreen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 12:02 PM

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You really don't pay attention to anything do you? For the hundreth time, per the CBA, a player can't get an extention until a year has passed since his last contract negotiation. Please understand this and stop asking the same question over and over again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 16, 2010 6:30 PM

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 21, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

good explanation, have you been critical of 11, 12, and/or 86 in the past? just curious

all the players who are good have trade value, seems like a wash

anyway, I realize you were saying we shouldn't trade thomas. I'm just worried that this team is on the jason taylor~then Haynesworth~then mcNabb~one and done cycle

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 21, 2010 12:10 PM

No, I always thought they had potential. They got off to a slow start in 08, but it's hard to pin that on rookie WRs when the entire team was crumbling around them.

I think all those guys will benefit from having a pro bowl QB/championship coach/(hopefully) improved o-line in town.

I don't like trading guys unless we can get fair return - which is why I wouldn't trade AH unless we got AT LEAST a 2nd in return, but it would probably take more than that. He's worth more being on our team, unhappy or not.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 21, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"... an assistant coach on another NFC team called to tell me he's hearing some buzz about third-year wide receiver Devin Thomas. Apparently, Thomas's name has been mentioned around the league in trade scenarios involving the Redskins.

---REDSKIN INSIDER

Yeah but if Devin is traded, make sure someone goes to the airport with him to make sure he gets on the right plane.

Posted by: TheCork | April 21, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"That means Buffalo, Cleveland, and Seattle don't have to make a deal with the Skins to move up."

Well, IMO, if Seattle is still in the market for a QB, then any team interested in Clausen would have to consider jumping ahead of them. That leaves the Chiefs and the Redskins as the primary players in a trade-up scenario.

I'm not saying it's likely at all, but I can still see the opportunity there. All it takes is two teams interested: one as the likely landing spot if there is no movement in the draft order (for example: Seattle), and another team that covets Clausen enough to nullify the risk of Clausen getting selected prior to their draft pick (Buffalo, Pittsburgh, or Cleveland, etc.).

We can always hope...

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't like trading guys unless we can get fair return - which is why I wouldn't trade AH unless we got AT LEAST a 2nd in return, but it would probably take more than that. He's worth more being on our team, unhappy or not.

Posted by: Rypien11

He is not worth more on our team than fair trade value. His role is/would be to occupy o-linemen freeing the backers to make plays. AH doesn't want to do that, we have many bodies on the D line that can occupy their linemen. we don't have great backers imo. fletch is an old over-achiever and rocky is over rated.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 21, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I think my detox from the '09 season is complete. I'm tying the rubber tube right now for the start of 2010.

I was on the treadmill yesterday watching ESPN when I saw the T.O. stupidity and yelled drunken sailor profanity so loudly at my TV and waved my arms that I actually almost fell off the machine. Goes to show you how idiotic the FO has been for so long that it actually seemed plausible to me.

I'm delighted we're opening against Cowpaddies - sick of the Gints for last what 2-3 years? Be nice to knock Romoron on his keester and make Jerrah's botox fail first game of the season.

Posted by: sfskin | April 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

...(Devin Thomas being traded) is more BS before the draft talk.

Posted by: Flounder21 |

In all likelihood. However the rumor didn't erupt until after Mini-camp. Perhaps the Shanahans found our Thomas didn't even know Zorn's old offense, much less the new Shanahan one.

Posted by: TheCork | April 21, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

In all likelihood. However the rumor didn't erupt until after Mini-camp. Perhaps the Shanahans found our Thomas didn't even know Zorn's old offense, much less the new Shanahan one.

Posted by: TheCork | April 21, 2010 12:26 PM |

Could be, if he truly can't get it then thats a big problem.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 21, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"His role is/would be to occupy o-linemen freeing the backers to make plays. AH doesn't want to do that, we have many bodies on the D line that can occupy their linemen."

The role of a NT is not to "occupy linemen", it's to be responsible for two gaps while being blocked by two linemen at once. It does no good if you're occupying two linemen, but the linemen are pushing you 3 yards downfield and out of the appropriate gap. That's why guys like Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, Kris Jenkins, and Shaun Rogers are so highly coveted. And it's why the Redskins want Haynesworth, and not another run-of-the-mill 'body', playing NT.

Posted by: psps23 | April 21, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

why trade guys you drafted high and have improved every year?

from, jason campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003

How exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does the sun set? How exactly does a positrack rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 21, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Shanahans found our Thomas didn't even know Zorn's old offense, much less the new Shanahan one.

Posted by: TheCork | April 21, 2010 12:26 PM

This is discouraging. I'd hoped Shanahan was more flexible than Zorn and would take the advice that we give all the time up here on RI: design your scheme to fit your players. Zorn and Shanahan should be running the OU offense for Thomas.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll believe it when I see it re: Thomas or McIntosh, Rogers, Landry, AH, etc. These GMs talk about almost everyone, doesn't mean their going to pull the trigger on a deal.

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Now its confirmed

Adam_Schefter: Pittsburgh has begun contacting teams to trade Ben Roethlisberger for a top 10 pick. At least one team considering it. Story far from done.

Posted by: will_ga | April 21, 2010 11:42 AM

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Macadamia says: April 21, 2010 12:05 PM

It's got to be Buffalo. They took TO last year and now they are probably seriously considering Big Jen. Where else could this scumbag go and not risk a yearlong suspsension by letting Lil Ben out in a club again? Last I heard, Buffalo only has a Dave & Buster's. LMAO!

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Posted by: skinshaveaGM | April 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Who would you rather have Mcnabb or Big Ben?

Posted by: BugEyes | April 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and Shanahan should be running the OU offense for Thomas.

Posted by: League-Source | April 21, 2010 12:30 PM

Thomas - MSU
Kelly - OU

just sayin'

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Ben should go to the Raiders"


Presently, I'm a redskins fan who admires the Rooney family.

Whereas most pro teams talk character, they live it.

They hire a young black coach to back up the idea that the Rooney Rule is something they believe in.

They trade the guy who caught the winning catch in the Super Bowl for nothing just because they don't want a druggie on their team.

They float their 'superstar' pervert quarterback for a trade as his character isn't exactly Terry Bradshawish, but more Homer Simpsonish than anything.

To the stillers, character counts, and they mean it.

And the fact they are willing to move talent that got them rings is proof.

And that makes this Keystone Stater jealous--and proud.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 21, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 21, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Who would you rather have Mcnabb or Big Ben?

Posted by: BugEyes | April 21, 2010 12:31 PM

McNabb easy. I wouldn't want that lout Big Ben on the skins. BR may not have been charged but the guy's a d-bag no doubt

Posted by: skinswest | April 21, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

brown, they're are a lot of Redskins fans out there people don't know about:

Darrell Armstrong

I know there are many more...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 21, 2010 11:34 AM

Armstrong is my favorite. After we whipped dallas 35-7 late in 2005, Armstrong took the microphone that night at the arena in dallas. He was a member of the mavs. Microphone in hand, he shouted to all 20,000 depressed dallas fans: "How 'bout those Redskins."

I love Darrell Armstrong.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2264894

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 21, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe that Ben Rapistberger is only getting a 4-game suspension.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | April 21, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Thomas's name has been mentioned around the league in trade scenarios involving the Redskins.

By Jason Reid | April 21, 2010; 9:33 AM ET

Jesus Christ would you please STOP reporting these absolutely absurd lies?!?!?!?

Posted by: Barno1 | April 21, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV...I am one of those people that believes in reporting facts...He is 36 until December when he turns 37.

Posted by: agcoony | April 21, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

It would be kind of foolhardy to not keep Moss, Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell. The upside of the three young guys should not be trifled with.

We know now after they actually got some chance to showcase themselves that they actually can be good NFL receivers.

Those three are a solid receiver base to build upon as any in the NFL.

This is also why, I am not adverse to picking up Terrel Owens as an addition to them. I have the faith that if Shanny should make such a move that he would be the coach to make it work out for the Skins, Owens, and his young Corps.

Owens and Moss would be the experienced leaders of our young Corps to help propel them to the levels they need to perform at.

Lest we forget, McNabb and Owens went to a Super Bowl together, and if they have buried the hatchet, there would be few other receiving Corps that would match us.

And enough of this crap about Terrel Owens being washed up. They said Randy Moss was washed up in Oakland, butchasee' what a good system and a QB that can actually throw the ball did for him. Terrell Owens isn't washed up, that's just an excuse being used not to sign him.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 21, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

That's nice if the league is chattering about trading for Devin Thomas - as long as it's not coming from Ashburn. Too much invested, too much potential. He's going to break out this year. I like how all the rumors - T.O. etc. - all make the new Skins management look like complete fools - then surprise! They land Donovan McNabb!

That said, I hope they don't get stiffed on a trade for Haynesworth. Personally, I'd like to see him stay and be dominant as a 3 technique DE. But if he must go -- seems like if Snyder eats the 21 million, then the Titans #16 is about right. Or Detroit's 2 AND 4 maybe. But a 3rd rounder doesn't seem like enough.

Posted by: bigfoot1 | April 21, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

And enough of this crap about Terrel Owens being washed up. They said Randy Moss was washed up in Oakland, butchasee' what a good system and a QB that can actually throw the ball did for him. Terrell Owens isn't washed up, that's just an excuse being used not to sign him.

LarryInClintonMD.
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Moss was still in his 20s. Owens is going on 38. And he's a monster pain in the neck.

Posted by: shanks1 | April 21, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

None of the historically smart teams will go for Claussen or even Bradford. If there's a franchise QB in this draft it'll be someone taken in the later rounds. I can't believe a historically savvy team like Pittsburgh would trade up to get a Claussen, who is the second coming of Heath Shuler.

Posted by: AsstGM | April 21, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas might turn out pretty good, but watch Malcolm Kelly in person. I don't know if he's getting healthier, but this past year he couldn't separate from anyone. Literally could not get a step.

Posted by: dcmusician2 | April 21, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

i think the kids we got are ready for a coming out party... let's not screw up the team vibe with a guy who is incapable of keeping his mouth shut.

Posted by: dcjazzman | April 21, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Owens is 36...stop reporting he is 37. He will be 37 in December

Posted by: agcoony | April 21, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Isn't that spliting hairs?
_____-___________________

Not splitting TO's .

Posted by: pjente | April 21, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Yes moron the steelers look for real leadership at qb..a rapist who easily got away in dixie-crat state of kkk,I meant georgia..yes roesthlisberger a real lee-dar.hope shanahan is not foolish enough to let d. thomas go if the offense is supposedly going to be better than last years see what the guy can to he has great talent and breaks tackles after the catch.

Posted by: wathu19 | April 21, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

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