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By the way, Russell Okung visited on Monday


With everything that's happened since Sunday night, there's a lot we simply haven't had time to address - left tackle Russell Okung's visit atop the list.

The former Oklahoma State offensive lineman left Redskins Park on Monday afternoon after a "fantastic visit," his agent, Peter Schaffer, said Monday night in a phone interview. "He really liked the coaching staff, the entire environment and everything about the organization. We'll see."

The team's stunning trade for former Philadelphia Pro Bowl quarterback Donovan McNabb would seem to indicate Coach Mike Shanahan is adept at concealing his true intentions for the roster. The Redskins currently hold the fourth overall pick in the April 22-24 draft and just acquired a potential Hall of Fame quarterback, so drafting Okung, if he is available, would appear to be the prudent move, especially since the Redskins do not currently have a left tackle on the roster.

But will Shanahan lead the Redskins down that path?

"You don't control that," Schaffer said of the Redskins' draft plan. "Whoever drafts Russell is going to ... get an exceptional young man and player."

By Jason Reid  |  April 5, 2010; 9:03 PM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft , Offensive line  | Tags: Russell Okung  
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Comments

Welcome to DC Russell. With McNabb, there's no way we don't get a LT.

Posted by: MadeRED | April 5, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

First

Posted by: Sulphide1 | April 5, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

As my son would...oh please,please,please

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

we should trade down and try to get picks for campbell and brennan.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 5, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

If JC walks and we don't get a trade for him, the comp would be higher than a seventh, probably a fourth. I'm thinking we deal better than that so we get a four at a bare minimum.

Now how much for HAYNESWORTH? I'm glad the brass are holding out for something good. Maybe a first, or a second and sixth at a minimum.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 5, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Next trade?

For an RFA Left Tackle.

Then we can trade down and accumulate picks again.

Posted by: PCinOz | April 5, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 5, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"Darin Gantt, of the Charlotte Observer, reports Washington Redskins QB Jason Campbell could add some much-needed quarterback depth to the Carolina Panthers."

Again, Jason Campbell would make a fine Carolina Panther.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 5, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

How can ya not like this trade??? it is just flat out FUN!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98

You mean like other trades and FA pickups like Deion and Bruce and Brunell and Duckett, and Archuletta and Jason Taylor and them Florida QBs and...

Posted by: TheCork | April 5, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Your right cork....Because other people in a different FO structure in the past messed up and made bad choices in the amount that was paid to the players vs actual worth of production.

point taken over and over again for years now.

So maybe your right. The new structure of people who happen to be true football guys who do know do it should do nothing to better the team because of past mistakes made by other people.

Bottom line...get over it....give the new FO and coach a chance to work for a few seasons before you cut their throats.

HAIL!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

That's the difference between our Skins and other successful organizations. Others draft to win for years to come. We make moves to win for next year.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:20 PM

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I'm pretty sure other organizations are successful because of their QB play. How was Arizona doing before Warner?

Teams that win consistently have a consistent QB. If you look at our playoff years 2005 and 2007 this decade, you will find that QB play was the difference. Brunell had one of his best years as a pro in 05 and Collins played lights out in 07.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

OH SHUT UP already...so tired of this negativity on this blog....People whine and complain about every move skins make or don't make....

this goes out to ALL the negative Skin bashing negative so called "FANS"

Get over yourselves already...you Don't know anything about running a team, organization, or anything in pro football...all you know is what you read and when you watch a game...

So stop disecting every single move the Skins make and trying to see what's bad about....FOR CRYING OUT LOUD....

Posted by: leevi98
First I was making fun of the post not hte skins

Second did you read my posts today I haven't bashed this move at all

Third you are so different then everybody else you do know how to run an organization?

Fourth then you go on to bash JC two posts down so how about stop whining you little hypocrite

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

the guy did have protection. I saw so many plays where he had 4 seconds to throw standing there....and he can't make a desion...how can a guy be labeled that he holds the ball too long bu all the experts and not have time? So the fact he..he has had time..he just sux

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 8:27 PM

You have to take into account they run those replays in slow-motion.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 5, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

i still can't believe our qb is d mcneeze. WTF!??!

Posted by: BMACattack | April 5, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

i have been watching JC clips for days...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 8:27 PM

really? this is what you've been doing for days? hahahahaha, GET A LIFE, man!

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

OH SHUT UP already...so tired of this negativity on this blog....People whine and complain about every move skins make or don't make....

this goes out to ALL the negative Skin bashing negative so called "FANS"

Get over yourselves already...you Don't know anything about running a team, organization, or anything in pro football...all you know is what you read and when you watch a game...

So stop disecting every single move the Skins make and trying to see what's bad about....FOR CRYING OUT LOUD....

Posted by: leevi98
First I was making fun of the post not hte skins

Second did you read my posts today I haven't bashed this move at all

Third you are so different then everybody else you do know how to run an organization?

Fourth then you go on to bash JC two posts down so how about stop whining you little hypocrite

Posted by: DG28 | April 5, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

i was not bashing the team or the FO and Shanny...i was bashing JC the player and obviously the team and organization of the Redskins concur LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98

I get that. Besides Doug Williams and Brad Johnson all were with their teams for years. None were traded and made a run the following year.

Philly knows McNabb better than anyone. As smart as that organization has been, do you really think they would trade him to a division rival if he had anything left? C'mon!

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

the guy did have protection. I saw so many plays where he had 4 seconds to throw standing there....and he can't make a desion...how can a guy be labeled that he holds the ball too long bu all the experts and not have time? So the fact he..he has had time..he just sux

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 8:27 PM

You have to take into account they run those replays in slow-motion.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 5, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse


i'm watching full speed...i dvr every Skins game on the nfl ticket feature "NFL Replay" they show the games in a half hour..no commercials...no haddles...just plays.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure other organizations are successful because of their QB play. How was Arizona doing before Warner?

Teams that win consistently have a consistent QB. If you look at our playoff years 2005 and 2007 this decade, you will find that QB play was the difference. Brunell had one of his best years as a pro in 05 and Collins played lights out in 07.

Posted by: Vicc

The 2 Pro Bowl WR had a lot to do with that too. They made PBs even when Matt Leinhart was the QB.

I hope I'm wrong about this. They better get someone to protect him though.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"do you really think they would trade him to a division rival if he had anything left? C'mon!"

"do you really think we would trade for him from a division rival if he had nothing left?
C'mon!"

two sides to every coin?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

i have been watching JC clips for days...

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 8:27 PM

really? this is what you've been doing for days? hahahahaha, GET A LIFE, man!

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

LOL yeah I get into at times....took off work last few days...been relaxing :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"do you really think they would trade him to a division rival if he had anything left? C'mon!"

"do you really think we would trade for him from a division rival if he had nothing left?
C'mon!"

two sides to every coin?

Posted by: Vicc

Seriously...

I'll lean towards the folks that saw him everyday and coached him for 11 years. Trading your starting QB to a division rival doesn't happen.

Again, I would love to say I was wrong.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

The 2 Pro Bowl WR had a lot to do with that too. They made PBs even when Matt Leinhart was the QB.

I hope I'm wrong about this. They better get someone to protect him though.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:36 PM


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Sorry scout. Qb makes the receiver more than receiver makes the Qb.

Before Warner came the Cardinals they were 6-10, 5-11, and 5-11.

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The 2 Pro Bowl WR had a lot to do with that too. They made PBs even when Matt Leinhart was the QB.

I hope I'm wrong about this. They better get someone to protect him though.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:36 PM


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Sorry scout. Qb makes the receiver more than receiver makes the Qb.

Before Warner came the Cardinals they were 6-10, 5-11, and 5-11.

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse


Vicc I agree with everything you have said today. good posting.....

they don't get it man :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc

Only if you have an Elite QB. There's 3-4 of them in the game today. Our SB winning QBs were far from elite. O-line was everything for those teams.

Those Pro Bowl WR didn't help Matt Leinart much.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

leevi98,

Thanx, the evidence is overwhelming and I guarantee we will post a winning record with McNabb as a starter! If McNabb gets injured for a few games we will struggle to win those games.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Again, I would love to say I was wrong.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Screw the pooch if SHANNY's wrong. BTW, what does that say about SHANAHAN's estimation of SOUP's abilities?

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 5, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Before Warner came the Cardinals they were 6-10, 5-11, and 5-11.

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:43 PM

Whisenhunt's effect on the success of the cardinals>Kurt Warner's

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

And all of them were with there current teams for a few years outside of Favre. Again, exception and not the rule.


Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:09 PM |

I find it amusing how when people get called out for being wrong they can't just say "I was wrong." They gotta go and change the whole premise. Dude, the premise was that 33 was too old and you're point was that those 2 qb's were the exeption to the rule. Well 7 out of 12 qb's over 30 is more like the rule and you were wrong. So instead of owning it you then say well, those guys had been with there teams for a while. Changed the premise. Just own it dude. You were wrong.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

dcwun,

that was a different NFL back then. How many other coaches have won a Superbowl with 2 or 3 different QBs.

My definition of an Elite Qb is different than yours. I look at winning percentage. Any other stat is too argumentative for me. but that's just me.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

DONOVAN MCNIZABBB. seriously though, get picks for colt and jason, trade down to get depth at oline. reading an article earlier, we have 0 left tackles on the roster...WTF.

Posted by: BMACattack | April 5, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Whisenhunt's effect on the success of the cardinals>Kurt Warner's

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 9:53 PM

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I think/thought Denny Green is/was a terrific Head Coach. He just never had a QB in Arizona.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

uncapped year pay Campbell 3mil to be #2

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I find it amusing how when people get called out for being wrong they can't just say "I was wrong." They gotta go and change the whole premise. Dude, the premise was that 33 was too old and you're point was that those 2 qb's were the exeption to the rule. Well 7 out of 12 qb's over 30 is more like the rule and you were wrong. So instead of owning it you then say well, those guys had been with there teams for a while. Changed the premise. Just own it dude. You were wrong.

Posted by: scampbell1975

My argument has never been about age, its about effectiveness. The iggles give up their "Franchise" QB to start an uproven Kolb? If they though he was a threat, they would not have traded him within the division ala Favre with Packers/Vikes.

That doesn't seem strange at all to you?

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

enough with get picks for Colt, c'mon man puh-leeeze

he's never taken a snap at this level

you'd be lucky to get someone to pick their nose for him

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheFuzzyClam | April 5, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

My argument has never been about age, its about effectiveness. The iggles give up their "Franchise" QB to start an uproven Kolb? If they though he was a threat, they would not have traded him within the division ala Favre with Packers/Vikes.

That doesn't seem strange at all to you?

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 10:02 PM

Not as cut and dry as you make it seem. Kolb forced Philly's hand by saying he will not sign an extension if he is not the starter in 2010. That would mean that they would have to franchise him in 2011 or let him walk.

Reid wanted McNabb, but was outvoted by their FO. Reid made sure to do right by DM, so he is a Redskin.

This has been all over the interwebs and sports stations.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Everything hinges on what the Lions do. Their local beat writer and Mort seem to think they've prepared themselves to take a defensive tackle. If they do that, Okung is ours.

If they take Okung at #2, then the Skins need to look to trade down with someone who wants either Suh or Berry.

Posted by: dfbovey | April 5, 2010 10:09 PM | Report abuse

enough with get picks for Colt, c'mon man puh-leeeze

he's never taken a snap at this level

you'd be lucky to get someone to pick their nose for him

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 5, 2010 10:05

Charlie Whitehurst.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Kolb = Conan O'Brien
McNabb = Leno
JC = Ryan Seacrest

You make the call!

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

My argument has never been about age, its about effectiveness. The iggles give up their "Franchise" QB to start an uproven Kolb? If they though he was a threat, they would not have traded him within the division ala Favre with Packers/Vikes.

That doesn't seem strange at all to you?

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 10:02 PM |

Well if that was the premise then I do not know the answer. Strange? Eh, maybe. Stranger things happen in the NFL all the time. Sometimes teams cater to the fans. Philly can be a rough town for sports. I've always thought McNabb was a choker but he sure is a more proven commodity than Kevin Corncob. Seems like a similar situation that occured in Green Bay with Rogers/Favre. Without the ridiculousness of Favre that is. All I know is that I have no idea what the real reasons behind this were for Philly and that we now have the best quarterback (although maybe a choker) that we have had in many, many years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

leevi98,

Thanx, the evidence is overwhelming and I guarantee we will post a winning record with McNabb as a starter! If McNabb gets injured for a few games we will struggle to win those games.

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Worse comes to worse..i think Rex is not a bad back up QB to fill in if need be.....How many back up young Qbs are out there that have deep run and super bowl experience that was in K, Shanny's system for a year already? i think this is shaping up fairly well.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't get to the Okung visit yet you got to the Selig thing? W,JW!

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 5, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Philly knows McNabb better than anyone. As smart as that organization has been, do you really think they would trade him to a division rival if he had anything left? C'mon!

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:34 PM |
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We get a QB of a 11-5 team in our Division versus dumping a QB of a 4-12 team.
Oh yeah.. in the 3 months since the end of the season, McNabb suddenly has nothing left?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Reid wanted McNabb, but was outvoted by their FO. Reid made sure to do right by DM, so he is a Redskin.

This has been all over the interwebs and sports stations.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 10:07 PM
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gotta wonder if Reid wanted to "do right" by his guy, DM, AND stick it to his own FO by allowing him to go to an interconference rival to show DM still has something left and that Reid was right. Weirder things have happened. Especially when there is friction between a Coach/GM and the FO.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES --- SPECIAL EDITION
Brought to you by the special people at Yahoo!

Part 1

Donovan McNabb. It’ll take a while getting used to the idea of not hating him. The deal is done, but was it a good deal? Clearly, he is an upgrade over Campbell. McNabb will deservedly get serious consideration for the HOF.

Most of this trade hinges on how long McNabb plays effectively. McNabb turns 34 this coming Thanksgiving week.

So I did some looking at QBs 34 and older. Here is the list of QBs 34 and older that played significantly (150 or more passes) in 2009.

Hasselback (34), Delhomme (34), K Collins (37), Warner (38) and Favre (40).

I also looked at 2005 and 2001seasons to get more data on 34 year old QBs.

The 2005 group included Warner and Favre, plus Mark Brunell, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Jeff Garcia and Brad Johnson. The 2001 group added Doug Flutie, Vinny Testeverde, Chris Chandler and Rich Gannon.

That’s 14 players. Next, I looked at their careers, specifically how many ‘very good’ years they had. My arbitrary cutoff was a QB rating of 90 or better. McNabb has 3 90+ seasons so far. So I culled the list down to the QBs that had between 2 and 4 seasons of a QB rating of 90+ prior to age 34. The list reduced to 5 names – all players with multiple Pro Bowl appearances in order to get McNabb’s ‘peer group’.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S Part 2

This ‘peer group’ contains Hasselbeck, Warner, Garcia, Green and Chandler. All have been to at least 2 Pro Bowls. Hasselback’s career isn’t over, so the analysis slightly underestimates the length of remaining career, but has little impact on the quality of the career. Of note, of the 14 QBs I started with, only Favre was ‘too good’ for the group, the rest weren’t good enough.

After turning 34, these 5 guys played 20 more seasons with over 150 pass attempts. 7 seasons resulted in passer ratings over 90, 6 more in ratings between 80 and 90. The other 6 had ratings below 80.

So what does this suggest for McNabb? 4 more seasons. 1 very good, 1 good, 1 not very good and 1 tbd.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

do you really think they would trade him to a division rival if he had anything left? C'mon!"

"do you really think we would trade for him from a division rival if he had nothing left?
C'mon!"

two sides to every coin?

Posted by: Vicc

Seriously...

I'll lean towards the folks that saw him everyday and coached him for 11 years. Trading your starting QB to a division rival doesn't happen.

Again, I would love to say I was wrong.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Well in 1964 the eagles traded Sonny jurgensen to the skins....Bledsoe was traded from the pats to buffalo to name 2

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

He ended up with the Skins because McNabb has one year left on his current deal and refused to sign an extension with either Buffalo or the Raiders and neither team was going to give up a 2nd rounder to rent him for one season. We gave them the best deal and McNabb was willing to sign here long term.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S Part 3

OK, so what about the trade? Shanahan knew Campbell wasn’t going to be his QB. Then it came down to options. It’s likely the only other serious QB candidate was Bradford and the price was too high. The Rams decision to release Bulger only adds credence to this. I think this trade was the smarter and lower risk choice among the QB options out there – Bradford, Clausen, Tebow, etc.

Still, I’m not crazy about this trade, or for that matter, how the 2 degrees (BA and MS) have approached this offseason. Shanahan is a brilliant coach, not as brilliant as a personnel guy.

Let’s start with McNabb’s record vs the NFC East since 2005. Its 11-15. Nothing to rave about there -- it is barely better than the Skins who were 12-18 versus the East in that same time period. If I get a QB, I’d like him to be successful in my division. Recent history isn’t favorable.

The trade has a modestly negative impact on the #4 pick in the draft, as teams no longer expect Washington to take a QB. It gives other teams some added leverage in dealing with us and slightly reduces our chance to get the best OT in the draft.

More significantly, it hurts our ability to get a 2nd OT in this draft, which we also badly need, with the #37 pick. Rumors that the pick could have been traded to the Ravens for Gaither, a very good OT (if there aren’t other issues there) would have been a better use of the pick, as the problems at OT are severe on both the left and right sides. There would be a good quality OT available with the #37 pick. Also, we gave up a pick in 2011, probably a 3rd round pick, the sort of spot we could look for a center to replace the aging Rabach. Two picks, both that would have made a lot of sense to use for OL, are gone.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S Part 4

If I’m going to be critical, then the least I can do is offer up my alternative approach.

In 2009, Campbell dealt with 10 different OL starters, 4 different RB starters and 3 different play callers (in the same game). He had 2 different #2 WR starters, 2 different TE starters and 2 different GMs. And Jim Zorn was the coach. Yet, Campbell was in the top ½ of the league in QB rating and 3rd in rushing by a QB, averaging 5+ a carry. All in all, a credible year amid incredible dysfunction. I stick with Campbell, despite his flaws.

I would have used most every pick on the OL, our area of greatest need. The #4 and #37 would have gone for OT, either by pick or trade. With our 3 remaining picks, 2 would have gone OL (probably G and OT). I would have kept Quinton Ganther, he had 3 rushing TDs in 62 carries, which is 2 more rushing TDs than Portis+LJ+Parker had in 400 carries! Ganther is younger and hungrier.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S Part 5

What would this have left us with? With a few assumptions (trade for OT Gaither from the Ravens, we pick Okung), at the start of the season, we would have:

Campbell (age 28)
Okung (22)
Gaither (24)
Dockery (29)
Kelly (23)
Thomas (23)
Davis (24)
Ganther (26)


These 8 players are a good core group of starters … and it’s a young group, average age of 25. The type of group that could evolve together for 5 years.

Compare this group to the 8 in place now (again with some assumptions). On average, they are 27 years old, 2 years older than my approach.

McNabb (33)
Okung (22)
Hicks (31)
Dockery (29)
Kelly (23)
Thomas (23)
Davis (24)
Portis (29)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S Part 6

The bottom line for me is this deal didn’t fix what is most broken. It actually makes it harder to fix what is most broken. We get a better QB and a worse OL.

Using McNabb’s peer group, its reasonable, perhaps optimistic, to project 2 seasons of 90+ QB rating and 1 more season with a QB rating in the 80’s.

McNabb’s QB ratings the last 2 years were 86 and 93. Campbell was 84 and 86. McNabb was better, but hardly a ‘night and day’ difference. And McNabb had better quality everything, RBs, WRs, OL, coaching and stability. The difference in coaching between Andy Reid and Mike Shanahan is modest. Between Jim Zorn and Shahanan – that IS a ‘night and day’ difference.

While each situation is different, its hard not to flashback to Bruce Smith, Jason Taylor and Deion Sanders. In the Snyder era, acquiring ‘HOF quality’ vets in their 30’s has set this team back, not moved it forward. Will McNabb break the spell? Maybe. Hopefully. Did Mark Brunell, who also came here at age 34 -- also for a 2nd round pick, break the spell?

Bottom line, could this trade work? Yes. McNabb is a fine QB and if he plays several more years at a high level, it will go down as a very good deal. However, unless the OL improves dramatically (with limited help from the draft) and the RBs get better with age, it’s a bit risky given the probable upside is modest. If it was me pulling the trigger, I’d have looked for an OT instead.

And that is a wrap on the McNabb special edition of ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
As always, brought to you by the special people at Yahoo!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

From the link: (good read btw)

"Dawkins is the best example of how the Eagles might misevaluate a veteran's ability and worth. They decided to not competitively bid for his services and lost him to Denver, where he made the Pro Bowl this season as the Eagles' defense faltered."

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 wrote;
OK, so what about the trade? Shanahan knew Campbell wasn’t going to be his QB. Then it came down to options. It’s likely the only other serious QB candidate was Bradford and the price was too high. The Rams decision to release Bulger only adds credence to this. I think this trade was the smarter and lower risk choice among the QB options out there – Bradford, Clausen, Tebow, etc.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 10:25 PM
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agreed..
4-5 years of ProBowler McNabb left in his tank.. And/Or pick a QB in the 1st round who will be a Free Agent in 4-5 years and as such you may not keep anyway. And add to that the odds of a Franchise QB obtained in the 1st round is around 35 percent. This was a good Deal.

Or another way to look at it.. Best available QB at #4 was available at #37 and the Skins still have their #4.

George Allen would of been proud of Brucey.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

do you really think they would trade him to a division rival if he had anything left? C'mon!"

"do you really think we would trade for him from a division rival if he had nothing left?
C'mon!"

two sides to every coin?

Posted by: Vicc

Seriously...

I'll lean towards the folks that saw him everyday and coached him for 11 years. Trading your starting QB to a division rival doesn't happen.

Again, I would love to say I was wrong.

Posted by: dcwun | April 5, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Well in 1964 the eagles traded Sonny jurgensen to the skins....Bledsoe was traded from the pats to buffalo to name 2

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

So dcwun...you said

"Seriously...

I'll lean towards the folks that saw him everyday and coached him for 11 years. Trading your starting QB to a division rival doesn't happen.

Again, I would love to say I was wrong."

Funny...the players that played along side of McNabb seem to be shocked that they traded him to a Division rival...especially since he is still and can play at a hi level.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/05/dawkins-thinks-the-eagles-will-regret-dealing-donovan/

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

If Okung is gone at #4 we should take Bulaga instead. Most mock drafts have him gone at #5 or 6, so why is he a reach for us at #4? He will be the best remaining OT on the board for our system, take him at #4, then exhale and smile.

Trade JC 17 for a 3rd or 4th rounder.

or...

Package JC 17 and Haynesworth for Oakland's #8 in the 1st round, and trade that pick back for more picks. (or take Spiller or McClain - we rockin' then!)

Gotta make some moves.

Posted by: edvar | April 5, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 ,

nobody said getting McNabb fixed everything!! Were just saying the Qb position has been upgraded and gave us a nice bridge for the next few years.....

last time I checked...the off season was far from over.....

how bout we all sit back and give the NEW FO and coach a chance to work and finish out their plan for a few seasons before we cut their throat at a QB upgrade in mid OFF SEASON.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

got to wonder how Snyder feels..
His blockbuster pick of the last decade.. Jason Campbell in 2005 for 3 picks (1st, 3rd and 4th) has been declared a complete failure by his hand-picked Head Coach, Shanahan.

The 2005 Draft maneuvers to get JC has to go down as the worst Draft Day blunder in Redskins history.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Green on his fan page in facebook has his thoughts on the McNabb trade. Green talks daily on there to fans. Here is his status 42 minutes ago. followed by comments

"Darrell Green: OK now that I've had a night to sleep on the McNabb trade, Ha, Ha, Ha, I still feel the same. Awesome! Go Redskins!"
44 minutes ago · Comment · Like

Darrell Green "Note to all fans. In the world of free agency some level of yearly change is a normal thing."
36 minutes ago

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

got to wonder how Snyder feels..
His blockbuster pick of the last decade.. Jason Campbell in 2005 for 3 picks (1st, 3rd and 4th) has been declared a complete failure by his hand-picked Head Coach, Shanahan.

The 2005 Draft maneuvers to get JC has to go down as the worst Draft Day blunder in Redskins history.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:46 PM


As I recall Gibbs was the one that really wanted Campbell. Gibbs was a great coach, but his history of draft talent evaluations is not good.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 5, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

how bout we all sit back and give the NEW FO and coach a chance to work and finish out their plan for a few seasons before we cut their throat at a QB upgrade in mid OFF SEASON.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:37 PM

Are you saying we should judge this move in three years and not what it does for the team this year? This move for McNabb is clearly a win now move, shouldn't it be judged accordingly?

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Turned into the game just in time to see another BS call go Dukes way on the "charge" against Haywar.

F Duke and their pansy flopping basketball. Looks like a soccer match out there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

got to wonder how Snyder feels..
His blockbuster pick of the last decade.. Jason Campbell in 2005 for 3 picks (1st, 3rd and 4th) has been declared a complete failure by his hand-picked Head Coach, Shanahan.

The 2005 Draft maneuvers to get JC has to go down as the worst Draft Day blunder in Redskins history.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:46 PM


As I recall Gibbs was the one that really wanted Campbell. Gibbs was a great coach, but his history of draft talent evaluations is not good.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 5, 2010 10:52 PM


Did I just defend Snyder? Wow, I did. Yikes.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 5, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

how bout we all sit back and give the NEW FO and coach a chance to work and finish out their plan for a few seasons before we cut their throat at a QB upgrade in mid OFF SEASON.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:37 PM

Are you saying we should judge this move in three years and not what it does for the team this year? This move for McNabb is clearly a win now move, shouldn't it be judged accordingly?

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

i thought all teams tried to win now no matter whats going on...if your not whats the point?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Every time I read someone say "Trade JC for a 3rd or 4th rounder" I just shake my head.

No team is giving up a 4th for him. If the Skins get a 5th, they'll grab it and run.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The Shanaplan. Some on here do not believe that this FO has a plan or they can't figure out what kind of plan he has. This is leading many to be frustrated by the signings and especially this trade because the moves are not following the plans these bloggers have outlined as the needs of the Skins.

Why is it so difficult to let the off-season finish before making any judgments on who is signed or traded for? Why not see who actually makes the 53 man roster before yelling that DS is still calling the shots?

None of the "experts" have a clue what MS is planning, much less some bloggers on a blog. Perhaps MS has a plan that he is sticking to and it will not be complete until the end of preseason. Time to believe in the Shanaplan. Have a little patients and believe.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

F Duke and their pansy flopping basketball. Looks like a soccer match out there.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 10:55 PM
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Good versus Evil.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Let's see: we're not supposed to be critical of these moves until three months from now and all of the other (supposed) moves are undertaken.

Y'know, the moves in the near future where they get 3-4 starting lineman, a new safety, another linebacker, et cetera et cetera. All with four picks.

But others can praise all these moves now.

Oy.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

i thought all teams tried to win now no matter whats going on...if your not whats the point?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:57 PM |

I agree with that to an extent. Because if I agreed with it fully, then I would be cosigning on the previous FOs dealings as Vinny was trying to win by buying the best players. Anyways, then you'd agree that making a move for McNabb should be evaluated at year end since this move was an all in move for this year, not for a rebuild three years down the road.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

got to wonder how Snyder feels..
His blockbuster pick of the last decade.. Jason Campbell in 2005 for 3 picks (1st, 3rd and 4th) has been declared a complete failure by his hand-picked Head Coach, Shanahan.

The 2005 Draft maneuvers to get JC has to go down as the worst Draft Day blunder in Redskins history.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 10:46 PM


As I recall Gibbs was the one that really wanted Campbell. Gibbs was a great coach, but his history of draft talent evaluations is not good.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 5, 2010 10:52 PM


Did I just defend Snyder? Wow, I did. Yikes.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | April 5, 2010 10:56 PM
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Snyder made the pick..
Snyder hired / paid Gibbs and Gibbs made the pick.
This admission of "JC doesnt have it".. was a Snyder failure.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

So what you just wrote Steve, is that the Skins are limited to only 4 picks? The can't sign any more FAs? So, if during training camp a team cuts a RT, FS, ILB, et cetera et cetera, the Skins can't sign him because we only have 4 picks?

Oy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

The Shanaplan. Some on here do not believe that this FO has a plan or they can't figure out what kind of plan he has. This is leading many to be frustrated by the signings and especially this trade because the moves are not following the plans these bloggers have outlined as the needs of the Skins.

Why is it so difficult to let the off-season finish before making any judgments on who is signed or traded for? Why not see who actually makes the 53 man roster before yelling that DS is still calling the shots?

None of the "experts" have a clue what MS is planning, much less some bloggers on a blog. Perhaps MS has a plan that he is sticking to and it will not be complete until the end of preseason. Time to believe in the Shanaplan. Have a little patients and believe.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Well said

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

that was flagrant.. by thomas..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't a flagrant, but you can bet if it was Duke with the ball, its a flagrant with an ejection.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

cosign curzon re: Shanaplan

and this is one entertaining national championship game!!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

i thought all teams tried to win now no matter whats going on...if your not whats the point?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 10:57 PM |

I agree with that to an extent. Because if I agreed with it fully, then I would be cosigning on the previous FOs dealings as Vinny was trying to win by buying the best players. Anyways, then you'd agree that making a move for McNabb should be evaluated at year end since this move was an all in move for this year, not for a rebuild three years down the road.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

OMG! This has nothing to do whatsoever with PAST FO moves! Ok so in the past other FO structures over paid for vets who did not return the worth of their contract.

WE GET IT! We know it happened but what FA or trade have they made where they have over paid and have high risk? C'mon loose that old argument for the love!

You blame the past FO moves on the current new FO and new Coach??

Move on get a new argument

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

The can't sign any more FAs? So, if during training camp a team cuts a RT, FS, ILB, et cetera et cetera, the Skins can't sign him because we only have 4 picks

Right. They're going to pickup solid offensive lineman (starters and backups), safeties, linebackers, all in the free agent pool.

'Cause no one else will be trying to sign those types.

The Redskins will just sweep in and grab all of the good ones.

And we'll live happily ever after.

Double oy.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 5, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

That wasn't a flagrant, but you can bet if it was Duke with the ball, its a flagrant with an ejection.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:15 PM
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true.. commentators are showing their bias towards Duke.
Coach K on the committee that decides if the tournament goes to 90 + games.. (more profit to the network and kills NIT) and Coach K has already endorsed the plan (last week).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry scout. Qb makes the receiver more than receiver makes the Qb.

Before Warner came the Cardinals they were 6-10, 5-11, and 5-11.

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I agree as well. However the thing is Both Boldin and Fitzgerald have proved themselves as guys that can produce without a QB. Very few guys in the NFL are capable of doing that. Off the top of my head Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Roddy White, Brandon Marshall, and Steve Smith are the few guys that will be successful statistically right now without an elite QB (Randy Moss and T.O use to be these types). However with a great QB they reach a whole other level.

Warner was just the icing on the cake when they found out he could still play at a high level. However if I remember right Boldin for example got over a 1,000 yards his rookie year with Jeff Blake throwing to him.

Posted by: CapsXXVI | April 5, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

In talking to several front office executives and an NFL talent evaluator, there was a unanimous opinion: The Redskins upgraded in a major way at quarterback by getting McNabb on Sunday night. And none of them thought the price (a second-round pick this year and either a third or a fourth rounder next year) was steep.

...

"The quarterback is everything," the GM said. "You can't evaluate your team until you get a quarterback. Now in their minds they can certainly be a contender. They're in it to win now and they have a good three-year window with McNabb. He's still on. His game is still his game and he still has good years left."

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/_A-shot-in-the-arm_-89965297.html#ixzz0kHqDXuBw

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

ILL MAKE IT COACH

GIVE IT TO CHITWOOD

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

great ncaa final..
Hate to see Duke, a tobacco dynasty funded institution, win it all..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

LarryInClintonMD is special cause' I'm a longtime Tarheel fan who grew up down the street from Duke University.

Butchasee' the significance is that a lot of Durhamites is Tarheels fans first and Duke Fans second.

It is something special to hear one blood brother to holla Let's go Heels and another one Duuuke!!!

I met a guy in DC that said he was a Duke fan and he never been to Durham, his folks never been to Durham and he has no connection to Durham.

But yet he said he was a Duke Fan. I laughed real hard from deep down in my guts, why, cause' he don' really know what a Duke Fan is.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 5, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Go, Duke!

Okay, Duke went. Butler can crawl on home like the sorry dogs they are.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Evil wins..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

oh my fing god

Duke - you are the luckiest mfers of all time.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

hate the result, but that was a helluva an NCAA championship game.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hate to see Duke, a tobacco dynasty funded institution, win it all..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:33 PM

Haw, haw.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 11:19 PM

The comment about the past FO is not my main point. I guess I need to get more to the point with you tonight. The McNabb trade should be judged on merit this year, not future years because McNabb was brought in to the team into division contenders, and superbowl contenders this year. Great I get that and I am all for it. Again, I AM ALL FOR IT. However, if McNabbs injury issues continue to occur, or if the skins fail to address the OL adequately because of minimum draft choices, or if they mortgage more of the future to address the OL adequately because of minimum draft choices this; and the skins falter the FO should be judge on this move accordingly. The opposite would be true as well.

Posted by: TWISI | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

F Duke and anyone who wants to call me out for sayin' it...

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading without comments for awhile. Time to chime in. Agree that its hard to root for Mcknabb, but how can anyone not see the benefits of this. Better at reading defenses, coverage, quicker release and decision making. Throws a better deep ball, lob and dump off to the backs.Very high td/int ratio.Never had any running game ever. Leader in the huddle. MS doesn't want to develop aQB, his heir apparent, Kyle does, solet him pick his QB of the future in thenext 2 yrs. Is it that hard to comprehend?

Posted by: razor25 | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Duke - you are the luckiest mfers of all time.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:38 PM

What do you call a guy who calls the winners "lucky"? Loser.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

F Duke and anyone who wants to call me out for sayin' it...

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM

Yeah, because the terrapins did really good in the tournament this year. Rolled over like turtles. Go, Duke!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Would have liked to see Butler win. You know, underdog, small school and all but I really didn't have a dog in that fight but that was one hell of a game and they both deserved it. Congrats Duke.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 5, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

great game. if you watch the last shot, look at what happens with the Butler guy (Howard?) knocking down the Duke player -- I want that guy to play free safety.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 5, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

great ncaa final..
Hate to see Duke, a tobacco dynasty funded institution, win it all..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:33 PM

Ok Yankee, don't hate, everybody knows that the south was built on tobacco, but did you know that over 2/3rds of the land that Duke now sits on was purchased from a Black woman.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 5, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

What do you call a guy who calls the winners "lucky"? Loser.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:40 PM

And if that shot was an inch to the right, or the shot before it an inch shorter, you would have been saying the same thing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

See!?! The Devil IS GOD, Tebow!! gak...That HeyHeyward kid has gotta future, though, sophomoric though he may be..

Posted by: frak | April 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

And if that shot was an inch to the right, or the shot before it an inch shorter, you would have been saying the same thing.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:43 PM

And if the queen had balls she would have been the king.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Great team, great coach, great university, great win tonight... but y'know what?

F Duke.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 5, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Hate to see Duke, a tobacco dynasty funded institution, win it all..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:33 PM

Haw, haw.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:39 PM
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my favorite story of what Duke University is all about.... They even sued their own founders and benefactors, the Duke family, for more money from the estate, in the late 1990's after Doris died. Nice condolences.. Corporate evil Personified.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

LS is going to be more unbearable the 4th was today. Not that it's much different that most days.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, because the terrapins did really good in the tournament this year. Rolled over like turtles. Go, Duke!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:41 PM

terps had a helluva lot better season than i thought they were gonna have, and any season they hang a loss on the eventual national champs is a good one. i don't front-run for anybody. i say again, F Duke.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Wanted Butler to win, but love Duke too. All you hating Duke are fearful. Fear is what hate really is. Look at yourselves ans ask what you fear about Duke, smart, rich, succesful, what?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Corporate evil Personified.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 5, 2010 11:46 PM

Championship personified. 4th for Coach K. Go Duke!

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Go, Duke!

Okay, Duke went. Butler can crawl on home like the sorry dogs they are.

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:37 PM

Congrats on the big win.

One tip tho..

Don't gloat, it makes you seem manish.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

and any season they hang a loss on the eventual national champs is a good one

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM |

Good one. You get off on beating Duke. Duke gets off on being the National Champion. "I'm from Maryland. I beat Duke before I busted out of the ACC tourney and the NCAA. I had a good year!"

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

no gloating is classless, not manish. A small school took the game to the wire. Doesn't get any better than that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Wanted Butler to win, but love Duke too. All you hating Duke are fearful. Fear is what hate really is. Look at yourselves ans ask what you fear about Duke, smart, rich, succesful, what?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM

that argument is intellectually lazy. F Duke

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Also, Reinhardt was getting better last year before he got hurt and E. Eilliams was looked at by Buges as Rabachs eventual replacement. Very young players. mike Williams will be much stronger and faster this year after his accomplishment last year with weight and conditioning. Hicks will be a very versatile jack of all positions. The young kid that we signed first this year is a good lineman MS had already drafted before. our 3 OLD rb's fill a need each,ie: wp-pass catch and speed,CP blcking and something to prove, LJ-short yrdage, etc. We hadno one to do these things before. All wide receivers get better with DM. Moss will be sick as the slot.We wil get our tackle because DET. just traded for Sims andwill draft DT.Have patience, people.

Posted by: razor25 | April 5, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

@ diesel44 -- thanks. I'll keep your advice in mind. I have an urge to buy and iPad. What's your advice about that?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

terrapin,

look in the mirror and figure it out.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

F dook

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 5, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Congrats, L-S. Sorry Diesel 44. Great game and great build-up with you guys. I am a big KJ Choi fan if anyone wants to rise to the occasion this week.

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 5, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:50 PM

Duke=Cowboys=Yankees=smug, insufferable fans

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

dook got the one stolen basket they needed to win the game on the blatant block call that took away a Butler basket. Typical.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 5, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

LS is going to be more unbearable the 4th was today. Not that it's much different that most days.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM

The difference is that 4th would have picked 10 teams to win it all and then gloated when one of the ten won it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

At least LS went to Duke so I have to give him credit for that, unlike some other feminine pom pom waving Duke front runners.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 5, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

terrapin,

look in the mirror and figure it out.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:54 PM

case in point.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 5, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

no gloating is classless, not manish. A small school took the game to the wire. Doesn't get any better than that.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:51 PM

You don't think it makes a woman manish when she gloats.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 5, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

dook got the one stolen basket they needed to win the game on the blatant block call that took away a Butler basket. Typical.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 5, 2010 11:55 PM

There's a name for the guy who blames the loss on bad calls: LOSER. Eat macadamia nuts and die, Kaneohe. Go Duke.

Posted by: League-Source | April 6, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

@ diesel44 -- thanks. I'll keep your advice in mind. I have an urge to buy and iPad. What's your advice about that?

Posted by: League-Source | April 5, 2010 11:53 PM

Answered you earlier during todays beepathon....Wait a month until the wifi/3G version is available.

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

what, a new comer can't get any comments?

Posted by: razor25 | April 6, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Kolb = Conan O'Brien
McNabb = Leno
JC = Ryan Seacrest

You make the call!

Posted by: daggar | April 5, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

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"Seacrest out."

Posted by: ddrcoaster | April 6, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | April 5, 2010 11:55 PM

You have Choi.
I'll take Anthony Kim.

Go Kim!
F Choi?? not really..

Posted by: Diesel44 | April 6, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I had Duke in my Final Four but picked Kentucky to beat them, being influenced by all the John Wall flag wavers.

My brackets sucked this year but I should have stayed with ACC till the end.

Go Duke Blue Devils.

True story.

The Duke Fans are some of the nastyest, rowdiest fans on the planet. When the referee made a bad call, they would always chant F--k the referee, F--k the referee.

But the ACC and their own coach realized that had to stop, so now they chant when the ref's make a bad call, I Beg To Differ, I Beg To Differ.

So when someone says to you, I Beg To Differ, it ain't necessarily nice.

LOL.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | April 6, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

beeps people

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 6, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

disel, the current one has wifi....the next one will be 3gs, but it will mean monthly data plan...

if you plan of mostly using it in your house and have wifi...than get it now.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 6, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

razor25, I wish I shared your optimism about the O line, but I don't.

Welcome to the commenting community, by the way. (You described yourself as a 'newcomer'.) Just keep posting your comments, dude. Don't be put off by the response or lack thereof.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 6, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

All you hating Duke are fearful. Fear is what hate really is. Look at yourselves ans ask what you fear about Duke, smart, rich, succesful, what?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM
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nice spelling of "succesful" right after "smart". Another succesful Duke grad?

the only "fear" I have is that there is a University in NC that is out of touch with the 21st century in regards to recruiting diversity at a the Div 1 level.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

All you hating Duke are fearful. Fear is what hate really is. Look at yourselves ans ask what you fear about Duke, smart, rich, succesful, what?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | April 5, 2010 11:47 PM
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nice spelling of "succesful" right after "smart". Another succesful Duke grad?

the only "fear" I have is that there is a University in NC that is out of touch with the 21st century in regards to recruiting diversity at the Div 1 level.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 6, 2010 12:10 AM | Report abuse

razor25 this is what Mort tweeted earlier today

Shanahan's always wants a top LT; & top C; rest of guys just athletic. Only LT needs to be "Pro Bowl" type w/ zone blocking/cut scheme.
about 11 hours ago via TweetDeck

Assuming that is true, the Skins could have their OL in place if they select an OT on day 1 if the draft even with the crew of OLmen from last year. I think they still would need to find a swing tackle (don't mention Heyer) else the run the risk of playing musical chairs again.

Posted by: TWISI | April 6, 2010 12:16 AM | Report abuse

nice spelling of "succesful" right after "smart".

posted by snagm

that's what i said, his argument was intellectually lazy.

Posted by: terrapin3 | April 6, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Great game. Woulda been probably the best ever if that last shot goes in.

Gotta hand it to Duke. Gotta hand it to Butler, too. Coulda gone either way.

And by the way, put Kurt Warner behind our O Line last year and he's on a stretcher by week 2.

QB play is more important than O Line play? what kinda moron says something like that? A Fool? Or a dang fool? That's the real question.

STFU.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 6, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

I mean by your "logic" Montana wins the Super Bowl every year he plays.

Every year, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are in the AFC Championship game.

Brad Johnson never wins a Super Bowl.

Mark Rypien either.

Joe Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with three different QBs. How many sorry O Lines did he do it with?

PLEASE stop being dumb.

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 6, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Trent DILFER won a Super Bowl!!!

I mean, statements like that make people read whatever you write and accept that the opposite is true.

It's about a dumb a statement as saying "Defense doesn't win championships... it only keeps the other team from beating you really really bad."

Or like saying, "No need to look both ways before crossing the street"... "Now listen to what other nuggets of wisdom I'm dropped here in my underwear!"

Posted by: Thinker_ | April 6, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Sign Flozell.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 6, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen is a definite upgrade over Vinny Cerrato.

Mike Shanahan is a massive upgrade over Jim Zorn.

Kyle Shanahan is a massive upgrade over Sherman Smith.

Jim Haslett is almost definitely an upgrade over Gregg Blache.

Donovan McNabb is a significant upgrade over Jason Campbell.

Acknowledging that the only other senior position (owner) can't be changed, it must be said the 'Skins are on the right track, if only because they were so awful last year.

HTTR!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | April 6, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Sorry scout. Qb makes the receiver more than receiver makes the Qb.

Before Warner came the Cardinals they were 6-10, 5-11, and 5-11.

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse


Vicc I agree with everything you have said today. good posting.....

they don't get it man :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse


You two idiots must be slow and obviously have never played a down of football in your lives. there is no QB without the fat guys up front. there is no running game without the fat guys up front. The reason I know you never played football is because the fat guys on your team would have made you pay for thinking QB play is what drives a team. Every team I was ever on had respect for its lineman. How many teams in the last 10 years have won superbowls with sorry QBs great running games (lines) and great defense. Learn something about the game before you open your fat mouths.

Posted by: das_tae | April 6, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Sorry scout. Qb makes the receiver more than receiver makes the Qb.

Before Warner came the Cardinals they were 6-10, 5-11, and 5-11.

Why is it so hard to admit that Qb play is more important than anything including O-line play?

Posted by: Vicc | April 5, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse


Vicc I agree with everything you have said today. good posting.....

they don't get it man :)

Posted by: leevi98 | April 5, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse


You two idiots must be slow and obviously have never played a down of football in your lives. there is no QB without the fat guys up front. there is no running game without the fat guys up front. The reason I know you never played football is because the fat guys on your team would have made you pay for thinking QB play is what drives a team. Every team I was ever on had respect for its lineman. How many teams in the last 10 years have won superbowls with sorry QBs great running games (lines) and great defense. Learn something about the game before you open your fat mouths.

Posted by: das_tae | April 6, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

It's not likely that Okung will be available at no. 4 unless Detroit or Tampa Bay decide that they prefer someone else. But it's not inconceivable that the Redskins could trade up with Detroit. I wonder if Detroit would be willing to take one of the Redskins' low round draft picks in addition to no. 4. The Redskins only have picks in rounds 4, 5, and 7, but maybe they could get more picks if a Campbell trade is made before draft day. Or maybe Detroit would settle for picks in the 2011 draft.

Posted by: seltzer1 | April 6, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Everybody....keep your fingers crossed about drafting Okung. He sure seems like a can't miss pick to me. It also sure looks like the skins have bailed on Jason Campbell. Maybe they can obtain some more draft picks or VET OL by trading him.

Posted by: dc4life | April 6, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Every team I was ever on had respect for its lineman.

Posted by: das_tae

And the Bad News Bears were always polite to their coach.

Posted by: ElYeah | April 6, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Vicc I'm sorry if it might seem that I'm targeting you, but if Bill Parcell heard you talk, he would slap you upside your head. You wrote,"I'm pretty sure other organizations are successful because of their QB play." Also, " Why is it so hard to admit that QB play is more important than anything including O-line play."

Without your O-LINE, especially your CENTER making the adjustments for the Guards and Tackles, your QB play would suffer greatly. Without a decent line, you don't have a running game, and the defense can tee off on you anytime they want to. I think the Steelers and Ravens,Giants, Eagles,Patriots, and Cowboys would prove you wrong on that. All that QB is going to do is get sacked, turn it over, or throw it away. Organization aren't just strong because of their QB play. If your FO sucks like our for years, the players don't respect you and the coaches don't respect you. Football is 11 men on offense and defense, and no single player wins a game by himself. For years, the Redskins have picked up other people garbage, and they failed miserably, and left with deep pockets. Think the last time I checked, there's no I in TEAM.

Back away from your computer slowly, and get it a rest

Posted by: WARPATH85 | April 6, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

ElYeah, did you really just say that the Steelers and Eagles have good offensive lines?? I guess you didn't watch too much football the last 2 years. Their QBs Big Ben and Donovan made the OL's look good with their scrambling ability. You want to know besides the fact that you see the QBs running for their lives on every play. Their running games were very average or non exsistant. We just got a QB who will make our OL look good.

If we draft Okung and take another OL or 2 in the draft for more competition along the OL we should be good. I can honestly say I am comfortable with Heyer at Rt if we draft Okung because I know we have one of the most mobile QBs in the game Donovan. We have a QB with some of the best pocket presence in the game and his mobility in the pocket and out will help this team out immensely.

Bruce Allen, the Shanahans, Hasslet and Donovan McNabb!! Yeah boys! So excited and i'm actually going to say that Snyder has done a good job this offseason. It is not a fly by the pants jsut take the most expensive guy out there.

Who else is McNuts for McNabb???

Posted by: avbanig | April 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I think fans in Washington assume that no veteran player can be any good if he actually wants to play for the Redskins.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 6, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Take OKUNG whats all the fuss about and all these different assumptions. Take the best OT avaiable , i dont care if its King king brother. We need 2 offensive linemen so, i dont wanna hear all this chatter about BERRY(the next pro bowler) We got safieties. No more Safety talk. runnin back talk, QB talk . We need OL, LINEbackers for 3-4maybe another cornerback

Posted by: chinngy23 | April 12, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

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