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Real evaluations, for Redskins, will come at players' pro days

In Indianapolis, the focus has turned to the defensive players at the NFL Scouting Combine. The offensive players have finished working out -- even though some barely started.

The top quarterbacks opted not to throw for one reason or another, but still, Sam Bradford's stock might've improved slightly -- by simply stepping on a scale.

Talent evaluators were happy to see him weigh in at 236 pounds -- 14 pounds heavier than he was in college -- and you're going to hear a lot more buzz about him as a possible No. 1 pick, which will no doubt affect what the Redskins do at No. 4.


So what next? Both the Rams and the Redskins are eager for two things: more medical tests and Bradford's pro day in Norman, Okla.

Bradford's pro day is scheduled for Thursday, March 25, more than two weeks after other Oklahoma players have theirs.

Redskins coach Mike Shanahan says he'll personally attend the pro days of the draft's top prospects.

"Any time you've got the fourth pick of the draft, you're gonna make a number of those pro dates," he said.

Both the Rams and the Redskins will take every measure possible to determine whether Bradford's shoulder is fully healed before using such a high draft pick on him. The Rams, in fact, intend to rely on the NFL doctors, their own team doctors, plus an independent third-party doctor.

If Bradford goes No. 1, the Redskins will have to decide whether Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen is worth such a high pick. He's recovering from toe surgery and also didn't throw in Indianapolis. Clausen is expected to throw for teams April 9 at the South Bend, Ind., campus, but there's some question as to whether he'll be 100 percent by then and able to undergo a full workout for scouts.

Because the combine revealed so little about the draft's top quarterbacks, expect Shanahan and his Redskins staff to take a lot of notes when they finally get a chance to see Bradford and Clausen throw.

"I think a lot will be done at the pro days, see if guys are ready to go physically," Shanahan said. "There's a lot of film on these players, going back to sophomore and junior years. There's enough to evaluate exactly the pecking order that you might have on them. But I think it's also important to see where they're at physically over the
next couple of months."

By Rick Maese  |  March 1, 2010; 12:49 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan , NFL Draft  
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beep beep!

Ooops. Sorrry.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Sproles will be a target for the 'skins in free agency.

We've needed a real 3rd down back for so long, so I'm in support of the move.

During our Super Bowl years we had key 3rd down/change of pace backs like Joe Washington, Kelvin Bryant, and Ricky Ervin... seems like a winning formula

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

according to PFT we're signing more than just sproles....200 million dollar payroll they're saying next year...YIKES....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Sproles will be a target for the 'skins in free agency.

Posted by: jgarrisn | March 1, 2010 12:57 PM

Maybe. But I predict that Sproles will end up back in San Diego. And if he ends up here, it will be because we grossly overpaid him and we will regret it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

repost
Yes, the Patriots got one or two extra pick at a time from DIFFERENT teams, but if they got two extra picks, they were always lower rounds (4-7).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft

I can't see under any circumstance any ONE team giving up 3 picks in the top 3 rounds to get our #4.

And the Ditka trade is still a joke to this day.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Per NFL Draft Value chart:

#4 pick = 1800 pts.

2nd rd # 8 pick = 500 pt
3rd rd #8 pick = 230 pt
2011 1st rd #8 = 500 pt
2011 2nd rd #8 = 230 pt
total 1460 pt
so we could throw in another $1 mil to Diesel44 as GM to make the deal fair.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 1, 2010 12:58 PM ET

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2010 12:51 PM |

Nice move to add this line Greg...worked on this hamster.

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 1, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

You don't think someone would like to be able to grab Bradford AND Okung? Berry AND McCoy? "Gee, we're already in the top ten. Why should we be greedy and come away with all that talent? We're not worthy."


Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I think the only player who might garner that kind of attention if he fell to us is Sue. And I don't think he'll fall that far. Plus, its been a long time (Ditka and Ricky Williams comes to mind) since a team was willing to give up the farm to get a cow.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 1, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

From those comments we have no idea what defense they are going to run, I love how Ried turns those comments into were going to run a 3-4.

Every year it's said that we will go after every FA, so I wouldn't put much stock into any of the sh_t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

There is no reason not to sign Sproles to a 3 year contract and front load all the guaranteed money.

But I think he will sign elsewhere because he wants to be a featured back.

You really think the owners are going to put a cap back in place, that wouldn't allow for the spending or non spending of a uncapped year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

curz, I'm at a loss....don't get what you're trying to say??

another person who questions my PFT posts....jerk

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

HEre are the picks for the 1st 2 rounds:

#4 - Antohny Davis (Bradford and Okung already will be gone)

#37 - LeFevuor

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 10:23 AM |
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I doubt whether Anthony Davis will even be one of the first 3 tackles drafted. I don't think he's going to playing left tackle in the NFL.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Bean - link for us?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:02 PM

This is garbage. A pick doesn't lose a round of value just because it's a year later. It's just an inconvenience for the time being.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

According to the chart I'm looking at, thats 480 + 220 + 1150 + 205 = 2055 to our 1800 for #4.

So it's in our favor, but I think its even more in our favor because I believe the chart is flawed and I'd certainly rather have 4 picks than one.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse
Next year's #1 pick is valued as a #2 this year. #3 pick next year is valued as #4 pick this year.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Because there arent that many worth spending money on. I dont care what anyone says, Chester Pitts and his bad knees arent the going to help the skins.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 1, 2010 12:12 PM

Pitts started 114 games in a row from 2002 until the 2nd week of the 2009 season. He's been out since week 2 and will be 100% by training camp. He's the best of an extremely weak UFA OG free agent pool.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 1:09 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Most of the drills are a joke. Game tape and interviews are the best way to determine how good players are going to be at the next level.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 1, 2010 12:43 PM |

Not true.

1. 40 yd (with 10 and 20 yd splts) (speed), shuttle (lat mobility, hip), bench (strgh) and wonder (intell, mainly for QBs) go a long way towards measuring raw talent.
2. College game tapes don't tell much. The coll game is much diff than the pros.
3. Ints with the prosp are marg helpful. Ints with those who know the prosp are more inform. Exp - Kip said that he talked with all those who knew Claus (incl oppnts) and all gave him thumb up.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:13 PM

Good for you if that's what you believe. You and League Source can watch the draft and hope that some GM temporarily loses their mind and offers us a 2010 #2 and #3 and a 2011 #1 and #3 for our #4 pick.

You might be waiting a while.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

You might be waiting a while.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:20 PM

We won't have to wait more than an hour. Either it happens before we pick, or it won't happen at all.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:23 PM

That is a good point.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

As much as people have confidence in Shanahan, he's NEVER had a draft pick in the top 10 overall. So he's never had to sort through what happens at the top of the draft the way he has to this year.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Pitts and Sproles are on the downside of their careers. I wouldn't want either of them here. The only thing that will accomplish is mask the need of a young running back and guard. We will again pass on those positions in the draft and allocate those resources elsewhere. Then in a year or two when those guys go on IR we'll be SOL again. I'm tired of playing that game. No free agent running backs!! No free agents over 30!!! Draft the next Darren Sproles and draft the next Chester Pitts.

Dansby and Rolle would be nice. They are both under 30 and have some years left.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse
Sproles will turn 27 in June, has demonstrated excellence in NFL. Pitts has started every game for Houston from 2002 through 2008, was injured in 2009. I'll accept KShanny's opinion on him.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I doubt whether Anthony Davis will even be one of the first 3 tackles drafted. I don't think he's going to playing left tackle in the NFL.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 1, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

There's just too much game tape out there of this kid getting exposed by speed rushers. He just doesn't have the lateral movement to play laft tackle in the NFL. That being said I'd take in the second as a right tackle. I'd love to have Okung at left tackle and Davis at right tackle. The kid is a heck of a run blocker and definetly has the speed to block the slower left ends. I think guys like Davis, Williams, and Ciron Black will be great right tackle but will struggle at left tackle. Guy like Bruce Campbell, Bryan Bulaga, and Charles Brown should go ahead of them in the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Not true.

1. 40 yd (with 10 and 20 yd splts) (speed), shuttle (lat mobility, hip), bench (strgh) and wonder (intell, mainly for QBs) go a long way towards measuring raw talent.
2. College game tapes don't tell much. The coll game is much diff than the pros.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't think many scouts would agree with you.

what you put on tape is more important than what you do at the combine.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 1, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

This is garbage. A pick doesn't lose a round of value just because it's a year later. It's just an inconvenience for the time being.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Ryp, but that is how the system works. If you trade for a future pick, it is degraded by one round.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

what you put on tape is more important than what you do at the combine.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 1, 2010 1:30 PM

Bingo! This is exactly what Coach Shanahan said above: "There's a lot of film on these players, going back to sophomore and junior years. There's enough to evaluate exactly the pecking order that you might have on them. But I think it's also important to see where they're at physically over the next couple of months."

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 1:14 PM

Ill agree that he is the best available but why should the skins spend money on someone who looks they may be Randy Thomas part two. Its great he was durable for so long for the Texans but a MCL tear and microfracture surgery changes the game. They would be better off going in a different direction. Thats all the more reason for the skins to be looking at a Pouncey,Petrus or Ducasse in the draft for help at OG

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 1, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Ryp, but that is how the system works. If you trade for a future pick, it is degraded by one round.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:31 PM

Yeah, I know what the rule of thumb is and I know what the "chart" says. And sometimes players are involved in these deals, which makes it impossible to compute... but I know that we're not getting a #2 and #3 this year and a #1 and #3 next year for our first pick. Its just not gonna happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This is garbage. A pick doesn't lose a round of value just because it's a year later. It's just an inconvenience for the time being.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Ryp, but that is how the system works. If you trade for a future pick, it is degraded by one round.

Posted by: frediefritz |

Both of you are right. Teams place a premium on 'now'. Winning later doesn't help a guy keep his job now. Reality suggests that later could be better or worse. The Skins trade for Campbell, if measured simply by pick 'value', was a dumb trade.

I've always like the idea of trades like this year's 5th rounder for someone's 4th the next year. 2010 is an exception since so many juniors are coming out -- 2010 is really deep at the expense of 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

There's just too much game tape out there of this kid getting exposed by speed rushers. He just doesn't have the lateral movement to play laft tackle in the NFL.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 1:29 PM |

You didn't have to watch any tape to know this. He failed to impress at the Combine in the 20 yd shuttle which measures lat mobilty. Wasn't so hot in the bench press either.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

ROFLMAO Anyone notice how La Canfora can't last more than 20 seconds in front of a camera without breaking out into a profuse sweat?

Reminds me of Ben Stiller when he eats the spicy food in "Along Came Polly".

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

2010 is an exception since so many juniors are coming out -- 2010 is really deep at the expense of 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:39 PM

And corollaries of this year's deep draft are that there's going to be (1) a lot of good talent that doesn't get drafted placing a premium on scouting and signing these undrafted players and (2) more than the usual number of veterans will be cut after the draft and during training camp making a few guys available to fill roster spots for a couple of years.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

beep beep!

Ooops. Sorrry.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 12:55 PM
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I had no idea you suffered from premature beep-culation.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Sproles will turn 27 in June, has demonstrated excellence in NFL. Pitts has started every game for Houston from 2002 through 2008, was injured in 2009. I'll accept KShanny's opinion on him.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Sproles is also an undersized speed back that already has 5 years experience. I honestly think he's the next ARE. He'll get paid and still be making big bucks long after his skills have diminished. I don't want him here.

Pitts is being let go for a reason. He's 30 and has already had microfracture surgery. I don't want him here either.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

curz, I'm at a loss....don't get what you're trying to say??

another person who questions my PFT posts....jerk

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 1, 2010 1:11 PM

Sorry, did not mean to attack your post. Having a link to your story would help.

Here, copy this link to use since it's what I felt happened to me this morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

Posted by: Curzon417 | March 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The object of our affection should be Okung. Samuels is retiring, so now we have a bigger ? at LT then at QB. This is a huge, glaring need. You can't expect a 2nd round pick OT to step in as your starter. Take Okung with the 4th - he might still be there if the Rams take Bradford, Lions- Suh, TB - Berry. Then look in the early second round for a Maurkice Pouncey or Sergio Kindle as impact players not reached for.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

2010 is an exception since so many juniors are coming out -- 2010 is really deep at the expense of 2011.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:39 PM

And corollaries of this year's deep draft are that there's going to be (1) a lot of good talent that doesn't get drafted placing a premium on scouting and signing these undrafted players and (2) more than the usual number of veterans will be cut after the draft and during training camp making a few guys available to fill roster spots for a couple of years.

Posted by: League-Source |

That's an excellent point

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I know that we're not getting a #2 and #3 this year and a #1 and #3 next year for our first pick. Its just not gonna happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:38 PM

Well, I guess we can go ahead and mark you down as one of the guys who thinks this would be a really good deal if we can pull it off. You, me, and frediefritz, so far, but you build a movement one follower at a time. Anyone else want in?

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, some teams aren't going to want to pay a top 5 salary, AND other teams KNOW we are going to want to trade out... so they will likely be in the drivers seat.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice pix of SHANNY. Reminds of the old JURGENSON cliche in regard to BILLY KILMER, "Old furnace face." Rosatia is a pain, sometimes literally.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

We should sign Dave Fiore to play guard. I think he is available.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 1, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

That's an excellent point

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM

I had two points. Tell me which one was excellent so that I can post it every few days until the draft -- especially on weekends which are really slow.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

what you put on tape is more important than what you do at the combine.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 1, 2010 1:30 PM

Bingo! This is exactly what Coach Shanahan said above: "There's a lot of film on these players, going back to sophomore and junior years. There's enough to evaluate exactly the pecking order that you might have on them. But I think it's also important to see where they're at physically over the next couple of months."

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:34 PM |

These remarks by Shan are mostly about QBs. The thing is, I'm sure that Gibbs & Co watched plenty of tape on Camp and we all know how that turned out. You can't really get a good read on how well the QB reads D schemes because everthing in college is plain vanilla. Wonderlic scores are helpful. A score of say 8 is not too encouraging, espc for a QB.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I know that we're not getting a #2 and #3 this year and a #1 and #3 next year for our first pick. Its just not gonna happen.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:38 PM

Well, I guess we can go ahead and mark you down as one of the guys who thinks this would be a really good deal if we can pull it off. You, me, and frediefritz, so far, but you build a movement one follower at a time. Anyone else want in?

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM
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I'm in. I'd take that deal without next year's third rounder. There is depth in this draft and the Redskins can get multiple picks in the second round, and restore a pick in the third, I trust Allen and Shanny not to Vinny-it up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Reminds me of Ben Stiller when he eats the spicy food in "Along Came Polly".

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 1:42 PM |

Film dude, what are your O picks?

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Maybe. But I predict that Sproles will end up back in San Diego. And if he ends up here, it will be because we grossly overpaid him and we will regret it.


Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking that thinking. Don't reach for Sproles. He will get killed running behind our current o-line.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The object of our affection should be Okung. Samuels is retiring, so now we have a bigger ? at LT then at QB. This is a huge, glaring need. You can't expect a 2nd round pick OT to step in as your starter. Take Okung with the 4th - he might still be there if the Rams take Bradford, Lions- Suh, TB - Berry. Then look in the early second round for a Maurkice Pouncey or Sergio Kindle as impact players not reached for.

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LOL Screw LT! Cuz, we're going to need a RT after we draft TEBOW!! :)

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, Shanahan looks more red than orange now. I guess he takes the whole team mascot thing quite literally... I don't recall the Bronco mascot having an orange coat, but orange is one of their team colors.

And he did use to wear an eye patch when he was coaching in Oakland.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 1, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Good for you if that's what you believe. You and League Source can watch the draft and hope that some GM temporarily loses their mind and offers us a 2010 #2 and #3 and a 2011 #1 and #3 for our #4 pick.

You might be waiting a while.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 1:20 PM

Slow down Ryp...
You’re accusing two living legends of over valuing the NFL draft trade value chart. Most of us GMs only use it to a certain extent. If you’re interested here are some errors found in the chart.

http://www.walterfootball.com/tradevaluecharterrors.php

Here’s what you should know about these living legends and why you should perhaps go easy on them.

frediefritz taught at a fine private college in beautiful Emmitsburg MD. He is responsible for creating the decimal fraction where the denominator is a power of ten. For example 1/10, 10/100, 100/1000, and 1000/10000 are all expressed as .100, however 10/10, 100/100, etc are all expressed as 1.000. Just don’t ever make a typo while you’re either gloating or trying to make a point, he’s very protective of his baby.

League-Source is currently under investigation as the bingo marshal @ Seizure World. It appears that he has been skimming from the bi-weekly bingo winnings and after 5 years of residence and being a prominent member of the board is on his way out. It appears that another resident, Jack Clompus has brought this to the Seizure world authorities. League –Source describes Clompus as a slimy, weasely, nemesis that has stolen L-S’s lady on more than one occasion, and is completely fabricating the whole story. L-S’s son, Jerry got into a fiasco with Clompus over a "space pen" and Clompus has also accused L-S of stealing the condo funds to pay for the Cadillac that Jerry had bought him for his 78th birthday. Stay tuned for more as this story unfolds.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure that Gibbs & Co watched plenty of tape on Camp and we all know how that turned out.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:50 PM

I'm betting that Joe Gibbs didn't watch more than five minutes of tape on Jason Campbell. I think that he delegated tape-watching to others -- maybe Dan Snyder.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe. But I predict that Sproles will end up back in San Diego. And if he ends up here, it will be because we grossly overpaid him and we will regret it.


Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking that thinking. Don't reach for Sproles. He will get killed running behind our current o-line.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2010 1:54 PM
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I'm coming round to the thinking that signing any free agent running back is like buying a Porshe from a nineteen year old kid: you might get some mileage out of him, but you're taking a chance because you know he's been driven hard.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

These remarks by Shan are mostly about QBs. The thing is, I'm sure that Gibbs & Co watched plenty of tape on Camp and we all know how that turned out. You can't really get a good read on how well the QB reads D schemes because everthing in college is plain vanilla. Wonderlic scores are helpful. A score of say 8 is not too encouraging, espc for a QB.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Fitzpatrick got almost a perfect score on the Wonderlich. I don't think that has made him any better of a QB.

If a player absolutely fails one of the tests, that is cause for some concern.

But I wouldn't draft a guy who tested slightly better ahead of someone whose tape shows them having a greater impact on games.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

That's an excellent point

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM

I had two points. Tell me which one was excellent so that I can post it every few days until the draft -- especially on weekends which are really slow.

Posted by: League-Source

both good points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Clompus as a slimy, weasely, nemesis

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 1:57 PM |

Diesel44 = Jack Clompus

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

We have needs at
LT
RG
RT
C (currently)
FS
RB
ILB
OLB
Corner
QB

we have 5 picks of which you can only realistically expect the 1st and 2nd rounders to be depended on for immediate contribution. Shanny didn't come here in an uncapped year with the biggest spending owner in the league to sit on his hands and preside over a 3 year rebuilding process. Anybody who thinks that is crazy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Get Sproles part 2 in the draft:

Javhid Best could be there in the 2nd.
Dexter McCluster could be there in the 4th
Brandon James could be there in the 5th
LaMarcus Coker or Michael Smith could be there in the 7th

Or even just teach Alridge not to fumble.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

That's an excellent point

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

And I have been making point one for the past two months.

Some possibles:

TONY WASHINGTON OT Abiline Christian
ED WANG OT Virginia Tech
MATT McCRACKEN LG Richmond
ADRIAN TRACY DE William&Mary
ANTHONY MOATS DE James Madison
JARVIS GEATHERS OLB Central Florida
TERRILL WHITEHEAD FS Norfolk State

WASHINGTON, McCRACKEN, and WHITEHEAD's stock has been climbing lately while WANG is headed out of the draft IMO.

While GEATHERS is a traditional LB, both TRACY and MOATS have the athleticism necessary to become OLB's in a 3-4.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

we have 5 picks of which you can only realistically expect the 1st and 2nd rounders to be depended on for immediate contribution. Shanny didn't come here in an uncapped year with the biggest spending owner in the league to sit on his hands and preside over a 3 year rebuilding process. Anybody who thinks that is crazy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 2:03 PM
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Shanny and Allen will sign some free agents, but if you are suggesting that they are going to go out there and spend a billion dollars on free agents, I think you are the one who is crazy. For one, there's not that much value out there, and two, they'll have to pay the someday-to-be-reinstated salary cap piper sometime, so they're not going to let things get too far out of hand.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

we have 5 picks of which you can only realistically expect the 1st and 2nd rounders to be depended on for immediate contribution. Shanny didn't come here in an uncapped year with the biggest spending owner in the league to sit on his hands and preside over a 3 year rebuilding process. Anybody who thinks that is crazy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Thank you. If you can get a legitimate threat at RB in Sproles for a couple of yrs, then you can scratch that need off and pick up another need in the draft. And sorry, comparing ARE to Sproles is a bad comparison. And its not like Sproles will be the every down back and I don't recall him demanding to be an every down back either.

Posted by: ga8085 | March 1, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 1:57 PM |

Wow... pretty intense stuff...

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 1, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

New version of Over-the-Hill-Gang is coming!


Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

sproles expects to get paid as though he WAS an every down back..

forget it. find someone with his skill set in the later rounds of the draft.. there are guys who can give you 75 % of what Sproles gives you without breaking the bank for a situational player

Posted by: shally | March 1, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

There's just too much game tape out there of this kid getting exposed by speed rushers. He just doesn't have the lateral movement to play laft tackle in the NFL.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 1:29 PM |

You didn't have to watch any tape to know this. He failed to impress at the Combine in the 20 yd shuttle which measures lat mobilty. Wasn't so hot in the bench press either.

Posted by: PsyOps | March 1, 2010 1:41 PM


Another combine overreaction. He allowed two sacks during the season and now everybody was running past him. Jason Smith and Jamon Meredith were the combine kings for Offensive linemen last year. How did they look this season? BS drills and tests arent an accurate measure of how successful a nfl player will be. A guy could be dumb as rocks but easily understand the nuances of a complex defensive scheme if he has a high football iq. Cade McNown(28) had a much higher Wonderlic score than Donovan McNabb (14) you know how that story ended. I understand why the owners invest in this event but I think front offices use the combine and its results for the purposes of posturing before the draft.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 1, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Love Sproles, but 15-18 touches a game is the right number for him and some of those are special team. A #1 back needs to be 20+ carries + pass receptions

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Allen will sign some free agents, but if you are suggesting that they are going to go out there and spend a billion dollars on free agents, I think you are the one who is crazy. For one, there's not that much value out there, and two, they'll have to pay the someday-to-be-reinstated salary cap piper sometime, so they're not going to let things get too far out of hand.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they'll sign everyone, however, do expect them to be very active and I fully expect them to sign a couple of impact players on both sides of the ball. IMO Sproles would be a huge signing, he's exactly what we've lacked in our backfield for years and he instantly upgrades our return game. And Gene Upshaw, the guy who guided the union for years was quoted as saying if the cap goes away it will never return. I happen to think that's not true, a big reason the NFL is a success is the parity created by the cap. However, there's no guarantee a cap comes back and even if it does, why do just assume anything done this year will count against a future cap? All the contracts that get dumped by teams this year have no consequences when the cap returns why do we just assume that all the signings will have future ramifications? I don't know how they will re-insert the cap if they do but something in me doubts that they are going to penalize teams for signing players this year and force them to reduce payroll, the union would never agree to a deal that would cause teams to have to cut players and ensure they are re-signed at lower salaries. IMO if/when the cap gets negotiated into the new collective bargaining agreement will have some sort of percentage based cap system for the first couple of years before re-instating a hard cap.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

My draft priority, by position, obviously free agency can change this. I'm assuming a 4-3. My draft approach revolves mostly around 1 question -- what positions will have holes in 2 years? My top 4 slots are OL.

OT1
OT2
OG
C
LB1
CB
RB
FS
LB2
QB
RB2
WR
KR
DE

Let me explain:

On the OL, we'll need 2 new OTs, asap. RG might work out with Williams, but he's no better than 50/50. Rabach is also getting up there and hasn't been that good overall.

LB1 is a replacement for Fletcher.

CB is is dependent on what happens with Rogers, I'm not counting on Barnes or Tryon to pan out. Smoot will be gone in 2 years.

We need OL for the RB to succeed, which is why the RB is down the list. Its likely Betts, Portis and Rock will all be gone in 2 years (unless one turns into a Kevin Faulk type). On the plus side, RBs become contributors faster than most other positions, so we can wait a year.


*** Up to this point, I've mostly been replacing guys who I'm pretty sure are gone within 2 years. Beyond this, I'm replacing guys who could be here beyond 2 years, but where there are reasons to make a change.


FS is Landry's job, but he's been an underachiever. Time to have a plan B.

LB2, depth. Fletcher will be done in 2 years, Rocky has some injury risk and Orakpo is probably going to be a DE. We get thin pretty quickly.

QB, Campbell can do a good job and it will be a while before he is the low hanging fruit on this team. Still, we all know what a great QB can do to change everything.

RB2 see RB above. Second RBs are often available cheap, Ganther is a good example.

WR Its unlikely both Moss and ARE will be here in 2 years -- and maybe neither will be here. Still, there is room for optimism. Kelly, Thomas and Marko have a good chance of being a solid 1, 2, 3 combo. So we're really looking at the 4 and 5 guys.

KR Rock will go and I hate using an every down guy as a returner. I'd bump this up if a unique talent like Cribbs or Sproles are available at a reasonable price.

DE We'll need another rotation guy, especially if Carter moves on.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

So what happens to my priority list if we go 3-4 and pick Bradford? I had 5 high priority slots in my earlier.

Well, the QB obviously is #1 and the 4 OL slots would still follow. But I'd also need to make an LB + an NT a priority. Which would mean there are 8 high priority slots. Filling 8 priority slots is much tougher than filling 5. A lot tougher.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

San Diego didn't try to franchise Sproles for a reason. He's a 5 6" change of pace back and kick returner. If the Redskins give him a 5-year deal like ARE, they are crazy. That's a move that Vinny would have made to appease the owner - I think Shanahan knows better than that. Same thing for Peppers who is 30 and on the down side of his career. No need to give a huge contract to a guy who just wants to get paid.

Use the No. 4 to pick Okung to have an anchor at LT for the next 10 years. If a good right tackle is available in the 2nd round, use that for O-Line help as well. They to QB play is having a good O-Line. Draft Bradford or Claussen is a big mistake considering the number of holes the Redskins have to fill. This is a 2-3 year rebuilding job even if the Redskisn sign a few impact FA's.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 1, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 1, 2010 2:38 PM

wizfan- props to admitting to it.

With the 4th overall pick being such a crucial piece to the turn around, Maybe we can have Danny play a game of one on one with all of the perspective picks.

Bad wiz joke aside...I'd like to have the version or the 2008 draft except this one will be called LT-RT-RG.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't quite hear all of the audio in the video above, but I thought I heard Jason Reid set up a question saying something like you have to have a 3-4 defense to be a top five defense in the league ... and then Shanahan muttering something like no, not necessarily. Did I hear that right?

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I think if the Redskins can still get bradford....GET A LINEMAN!!! The boy from Maryland (bruce campbell) big long and fast. Can play LT now. Second Round...GET ANOTHER LINE MAN!! Don't know who but get another line man!!!

Posted by: Bigmon411 | March 1, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

San Diego didn't try to franchise Sproles for a reason. He's a 5 6" change of pace back and kick returner. If the Redskins give him a 5-year deal like ARE, they are crazy. That's a move that Vinny would have made to appease the owner - I think Shanahan knows better than that. Same thing for Peppers who is 30 and on the down side of his career. No need to give a huge contract to a guy who just wants to get paid.

Use the No. 4 to pick Okung to have an anchor at LT for the next 10 years. If a good right tackle is available in the 2nd round, use that for O-Line help as well. They to QB play is having a good O-Line. Draft Bradford or Claussen is a big mistake considering the number of holes the Redskins have to fill. This is a 2-3 year rebuilding job even if the Redskisn sign a few impact FA's.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 1, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse


I wouldn't be too mad if we left the draft with only Okung on the offensive line. Some guys have pointed out that there will be a lot of undrafted linemen that normally would have been drafted due to the influx of juniors in this draft. Those guys can probably play right tackle in the NFL. Let's say a guy like Adam Ulitoski from Texas or Ciron Black from LSU goes undrafted. I think either of them could play right tackle or right guard. Couple that with Shanahans ability to find late round linemen and I woudl be fine with us taking a FS, LB, or RB in the 2nd, 4th, and 5th tounds and a KR specialist in the 7th.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Is it March 5 yet?

Posted by: stevek20147 | March 1, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Redskins fan for over 25 years and i have never heard so many fans cry and whine over what the front office does. I just heard that the redskins are considering signing Julius Peppers to a 30 million dollar guaranteed contract and people are having a fit. I dont care what posistion he plays the goal is to get the best free agent on the market and he is the best on the market so why not. all these fans complain like they are the ones who have to write his check they are going to be the same people in the bars or on their couch telling there friends or their wives that they supported the move from day one knowing all the time they were bashing the move from the start. I say lets do it. and after he breaks Romo's legs and sends Eli running to big bro. lets see who still thinks the move was bad peppers and orakpo haynesworth and carter coming after the quaterback I mean c'mon defense wins championships offense sells tickets why do you think fedex field was so empty last year.

HTTR!!! RIP#21 4ever

Posted by: cpt55back | March 1, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It seems like more and more Shanahan is feeding into the media vibe that Skins are seeking a QB with the #4 pick ... and now the chatter is that they are in the mix with the Rams to get the top two QBs.

Seems like a good strategy to me ... regardless of whether they actually intend to choose a QB. Seems like making people THINK you are going to pick a QB and that you highly value the choice you have there ... that is how you find someone willing to swap a lower first round pick and another pick so that they can get that QB. Not sure whether that could be pulled off if people think you want to pick a tackle, esp. with the targeting of about seven offensive tackles in the first two rounds. Anyone who wants a high level performer at OT seems like they have a pretty good shot at getting one in the first round ... not so with teams ISO a future QB.

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Shanny and Allen will sign some free agents, but if you are suggesting that they are going to go out there and spend a billion dollars on free agents, I think you are the one who is crazy. For one, there's not that much value out there, and two, they'll have to pay the someday-to-be-reinstated salary cap piper sometime, so they're not going to let things get too far out of hand.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they'll sign everyone, however, do expect them to be very active and I fully expect them to sign a couple of impact players on both sides of the ball. IMO Sproles would be a huge signing, he's exactly what we've lacked in our backfield for years and he instantly upgrades our return game. And Gene Upshaw, the guy who guided the union for years was quoted as saying if the cap goes away it will never return. I happen to think that's not true, a big reason the NFL is a success is the parity created by the cap. However, there's no guarantee a cap comes back and even if it does, why do just assume anything done this year will count against a future cap? All the contracts that get dumped by teams this year have no consequences when the cap returns why do we just assume that all the signings will have future ramifications? I don't know how they will re-insert the cap if they do but something in me doubts that they are going to penalize teams for signing players this year and force them to reduce payroll, the union would never agree to a deal that would cause teams to have to cut players and ensure they are re-signed at lower salaries. IMO if/when the cap gets negotiated into the new collective bargaining agreement will have some sort of percentage based cap system for the first couple of years before re-instating a hard cap.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 2:31 PM
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So, are you willing to bet the future roster on the salary cap not coming back? Aside from the fact that I believe the salary cap will come back and the league has already warned its owners of it, there is a point where it doesn't make sense to spend money on a player. Peppers is going to command ridiculous money. Do you pay it because you can? For a guy who will be penned in to play a position he's never played in his NFL career? What do you pay Sproles for being a third down back? More than you pay CP for being an every down back?

I'm just not seeing it. You slam down mega-money for that many players and the guys on the roster are going to start asking for theirs. You pay a mountain of money and the cap comes back - you're toast. Not to mention the fact that Snyder's ventures outside of football have not exactly been pouring in the money (remember him suing little old ladies to get their season ticket money?).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

So, are you willing to bet the future roster on the salary cap not coming back?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:53 PM

Yes

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

So, are you willing to bet the future roster on the salary cap not coming back?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:53 PM

Yes

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 2:57 PM

You have to approach this offseason like there will be a cap in 2011. There is no other way of doing business and if you disagree with this philosophy please reference the last 10+ years. Only when you close your and use your imagination, imagine it being much worse.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

You have to approach this offseason like there will be a cap in 2011.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:07 PM

Maybe 2012, maybe not. But not 2011. 2011 will be played with replacements.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

So, are you willing to bet the future roster on the salary cap not coming back?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:53 PM

Yes

Posted by: dcsween

There is no need to make 'bet the franchise' moves on something as unpredictable as salary cap negotiations.

When the Skins signed Albert and re-signed Hall, I wrote that it was too many eggs in too few baskets. Same thing here. Betting the team's success on the outcome of the CBA negotiations is a fool's bet.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I clearly said I expect the cap to return in the post. However, there is no guarantee that it will. Regardless, I can't imagine any scenario where owners or the union agree to punish the teams that sign players this year. The most powerful owners (hint hint, Jerry and Dan) will be the ones that spend the most and they aren't going to make a system where they hurt their own teams by agreeing to it, and again, the union isn't going to agree to a system that gets its highest paid players cut and re-signed for less money, neither side wins that way. How they do it, I don't know, but one way or another they will figure out a way the cap comes back without hurting both sides.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

You have to approach this offseason like there will be a cap in 2011.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:07 PM

Maybe 2012, maybe not. But not 2011. 2011 will be played with replacements.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:10 PM
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Babe Laufenberg's come back tour...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with RedSkinHead that the Peppers thing doesn't make sense. That is just a waste of millions of dollars and brings us right back to the 2000 Redskins.

However the Sproles things does make sense. Who cares what back this guy is? We need a role player/jack of all trades. We passed on Josh Cribbs and now Darren Sproles is available. He is a definite upgrade over what we have in our return game as it is (Special Teams is incredibly important) and he adds the dynamic back ability that we don't have in Cartwright or Betts. We need a change of pace back. Now whether Sproles is the answer - I dont know. I am saying we could definitely use a player of his variety though. Mayeb Dexter McCluster would be more up our alley though.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Mayeb Dexter McCluster would be more up our alley though.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You mean the guy that is 5'8" 178 pounds but just ran a 4.55 40 at the combine? No thanks.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Mayeb Dexter McCluster would be more up our alley though.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse


Absolutely, why overpay for a speedy return guy that only has a few years left in the tank when you can use a late rounder and get a similar player with their whole career ahead of them? Sproles makes sense if we are on the cusp of competing for a championship and we only need another piece or two. The sad truth is that we aren't remotely close to competing for the division much less the super bowl. Like I said before there will be young speedy return guys in pretty much every round of the draft. We already have a guy on the roster with that skill set. Just teach him not to fumble.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 1, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

the CBA negotiations are most likely going to create a mimi civil war between owners. Its always hard to tell who wins those.

Too bad fewer and fewer owners have figured out that if you respect the fans first, everything else flows from that.

Respect the fans by putting a good product on the field. Which means respecting the players, because they are the product. The better you treat players and fans, the more money there is.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

You have to approach this offseason like there will be a cap in 2011.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:07 PM

Maybe 2012, maybe not. But not 2011. 2011 will be played with replacements.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:10 PM

FYI..If there is a lockout it's in the labor agreement that the NFL is not allowed to use replacement players.

I noticed you purposely didn't use the word NFL so you were probably referring to your shuffle board team and what happens when one of your teammates expires or when a 70 yr old youngster shows up @ Seizure World and is a FA.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the video and see Shanny carry JReid regarding you HAVE to HAVE the 3-4 to be a top Defense in the league?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The salary cap is only half the story. The other half is the salary floor that requires owners to spend some fixed amount on salaries. Without the floor salaries could go, well, through the floor.

A few owners are glad to see the cap gone. Lot of owners are glad to see the floor gone. Players love the floor, hate the cap. Some have said, once the cap (and floor) is gone, it's never coming back.

Me, I don't have an opinion on this. I do feel strongly, though, that ARE will be cut on Friday and that will save a lot of money.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what McCluster ran at the combine? Watch his games, he is shifty, never took direct hits and never got run down from behind.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 1, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Mayeb Dexter McCluster would be more up our alley though.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

You mean the guy that is 5'8" 178 pounds but just ran a 4.55 40 at the combine? No thanks.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:17 PM

Jacoby Ford 5'9 190 WR/KR/PR 4.28 3-5th rd range

Shocked @ McClusters 40 time. He plays much faster on tape, but that hurts his stock.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

My picks:
1) Okung (if he's not there, try to trade back and pick up add'l picks)
2) Myron Rolle

Posted by: priceisright | March 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

the CBA negotiations are most likely going to create a mimi civil war between owners. Its always hard to tell who wins those.

Too bad fewer and fewer owners have figured out that if you respect the fans first, everything else flows from that.

Respect the fans by putting a good product on the field. Which means respecting the players, because they are the product. The better you treat players and fans, the more money there is.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 3:20 PM |
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That's a simple concept (and one I agree with) but try putting that one into play. Every owner is interested in getting his. Every player is interested in getting his. Every fan is just getting it - where the sun doesn't shine.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

You mean the guy that is 5'8" 178 pounds but just ran a 4.55 40 at the combine? No thanks.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse


You really going to judge someone by the combine alone?....Really?

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what McCluster ran at the combine? Watch his games, he is shifty, never took direct hits and never got run down from behind.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 1, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

you care because when you play NFL caliber talent week in and week out at every position a 4.55 runs away from nobody. Then you're just shifty, which is nice but not good enough to be anything more than perhaps a returner.

Sproles is a lot more than just a returner.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

My picks:
1) Okung (if he's not there, try to trade back and pick up add'l picks)
2) Myron Rolle

Posted by: priceisright | March 1, 2010 3:28 PM

Myron Rolle would be a great pick if you were fielding a team for Its Academic. He's a SS and will be a later round pick

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"...mimi civil war..."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 3:20 PM |
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Wiki-
The Mimi Civil War - A battle between Mimi Miyagi (you have to wiki her) and Mariah Carey (whose nickname is also Mimi).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It was a 40 yard dash at the combine... If you are going to judge someone by how they perform at the combine then Vernon Gholston should be a perennial Pro-Bowler. I don't care if someone ran faster than him in the 40 at the combine. You want the best football player. And McCluster has talent.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

You really going to judge someone by the combine alone?....Really?

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

No but the simple fact is if he can only run a 4.55 the chances that at his size he truly contributes anywhere but a special team returner is very slim. Sproles is the exception, there are only a handful of guys his size in the NFL. I watched McCluster live 3 times, he seemed to have a different gear than everyone else on the field, but the fact is at most of those games he was playing against a defense that only had a couple pro prospects. Sundays he'll have to play against real pros and if he runs a 4.55 he doesn't have a different gear than everyone else.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

From John Clayton's mailbag today

Sometimes, players take gambles that fail. Other times, players take gambles that work.

Julius Peppers took a calculated gamble last year when he turned down a four-year contract worth a little more than $52 million to stay with the Carolina Panthers. He elected to stay in Carolina with an $18.2 million franchise number and see whether the Panthers would franchise him in 2010 or let him become a free agent.

As it turns out, Peppers, who wasn't franchised and will leave the Panthers after free agency starts, is in a no-lose situation even if he doesn't get significantly more than what the Panthers were willing to pay him from 2009 through 2012.

Here's why.

According to sources, six to eight teams are interested in signing Peppers when free agency starts. He needs to get $34 million over the next three years to equal the money the Panthers were willing to pay him, and that, according to sources, seems easy to obtain.

So why leave?

Apparently, Peppers feels as though he needs a new start. His first eight years have been pretty good. He's been to five Pro Bowls. He's had 81 sacks. He was selected to the NFL's All-Decade team.

But at age 30, Peppers wants to show that he can be great, not just very, very good. That could be a challenge. History shows it's hard for a 30-plus-year-old pass-rusher to do better in his 30s than his 20s.

Among the teams expected to show interest in Peppers are the Eagles, Patriots and Bears. A mix of teams with 3-4 and 4-3 schemes are interested.

Peppers' departure from Carolina isn't about the money. Even if he signs for the same money as he would have with the Panthers, Peppers wants to take his game to another level.

Posted by: TWISI | March 1, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Just ask Peter Warrick how easy it is to be small, shifty, and not faster than anybody, that guy was untouchable in college and extremely touchable in the NFL.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I clearly said I expect the cap to return in the post. However, there is no guarantee that it will. Regardless, I can't imagine any scenario where owners or the union agree to punish the teams that sign players this year. The most powerful owners (hint hint, Jerry and Dan) will be the ones that spend the most and they aren't going to make a system where they hurt their own teams by agreeing to it, and again, the union isn't going to agree to a system that gets its highest paid players cut and re-signed for less money, neither side wins that way. How they do it, I don't know, but one way or another they will figure out a way the cap comes back without hurting both sides.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree, zjfr2. The cap is good for NFL. It should come back. 2011 is questionable, but we need to make any signings assuming that we will play with a cap in 2011. LS is correct, it might be a strike/lockout year. But we should assume that in will be a normal year with a cap.

2010, on the other hand, will not have a cap. So any guaranteed monies in contracts should be front-end loaded, so there is no carry-over effect on 2011. IF we can keep contracts for 2011 under control, I have no problem with Dan spending his money in 2010 on anyone he/BA/MS thinks will help us win in 2010.

BEAT DALLAS!

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Please sign Sproles.

The talk about McCluster running a 4.55 at the combine is meaningless. The guy is fast, and avoids tackles.

This is football, not track and field.

Why don't we just go sign Usain Bolt?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 1, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad you saw him live three times. You must be a Dexter McClusterologist by now.

The entire thing is a crapshoot. So let's understand that right off the bat. And He may have played against sub-par teams, but a majority of the guys in this thing have compiled stats against sub-par programs.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Dexter McCluster 5'8 172 20 Reps @ 225
Gerald McCoy 6'4 295 23 Reps & 225

Now there is a legitimate red flag for McCoy

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

FYI..If there is a lockout it's in the labor agreement that the NFL is not allowed to use replacement players.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:21 PM

Really? I'm from Missouri. Show me where it says that.

Owners just scrapped the agreement and that's why they've begun bargaining over a new agreement.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Wiki-
The Mimi Civil War - A battle between Mimi Miyagi (you have to wiki her) and Mariah Carey (whose nickname is also Mimi).

Posted by: RedSkinHead

I'm sooo loooking forward to that, and to whatever welse my typos may bring

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I do feel strongly, though, that ARE will be cut on Friday and that will save a lot of money.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:23 PM

On what?

Car Insurance?

Letters on the back of the Jersey?

Heart Attacks during 3 yard Punt Returns?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Dies, I know I'm reaching with Rolle but the guy can cover sideline to sideline. Berry or Mays would do but they'll be gone by the second round and we don't have a 3rd.

Posted by: priceisright | March 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I just think if the 4.55 is accurate he's Peter Warrick without the numbers or the wins.

If he runs again at his Pro Day and runs a sub 4.4 maybe he just had an off day, but if he runs the same number again then maybe when he plays guys that are twice his size and just as fast as he is, maybe he won't seem so shifty anymore.........

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

No but the simple fact is if he can only run a 4.55 the chances that at his size he truly contributes anywhere but a special team returner is very slim. Sproles is the exception, there are only a handful of guys his size in the NFL. I watched McCluster live 3 times, he seemed to have a different gear than everyone else on the field, but the fact is at most of those games he was playing against a defense that only had a couple pro prospects. Sundays he'll have to play against real pros and if he runs a 4.55 he doesn't have a different gear than everyone else.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 3:36 PM

Is Tennessee a good enough example for you? McCluster had over 280 yards rushing and 4 touchdowns against probable first rounders Dan Williams and Eric Berry. Tennessee had one of the best defenses in the SEC. There is some guy named Jerry Rice that ran a 4.6 40 at the combine. He ran away from a few people over the course of his career. Trust the game tape.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 1, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

"Real evaluations, for Redskins, will come at players' pro days"


Again: the combine is a joke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

You mean the guy that is 5'8" 178 pounds but just ran a 4.55 40 at the combine? No thanks.

Posted by: zjfr2

Yeah because if you don't do as well at the combine as people think you should, you suck.

And if you put up excellent numbers at the combine, well hell, we'll just say fu_k playing for 10-15 years and enshrine 'em in the hall IMMEDIATELY after they finish their drills because they had excellent numbers at the combine because the combine is the end all be all...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If you are going to look at what a player can do, you have to look at the total package. Yeah he might be playing guys twice his size - that might mean he can make them miss because he has a lower center of gravity; maybe he can change direction and accelerate faster? Maybe he has better vision on the field. Are there vision stats? Did they test that at the combine? How did he do on the number and letter chart on his last eye exam? You see how ridiculous it is to judge tests? THe combine is a tool to help gather more information and a chance for teams to see the physical attributes of a player, but also to interview them and assess them. Its something they can use with the pro-day workouts and the reels of game footage they already have.

I'm just saying, don't judge the football player on a 40 yard dash time. There are more things to look at.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The majority of guys who run under a 4.5 are skill guys and d-backs. So if McCluster is ever getting run down by someone faster it will be in the secondary after a big gain. SEC has the best talent across the board. He wasn't playing scrub teams every week at Ole Miss.

Posted by: Rahtard | March 1, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I do feel strongly, though, that ARE will be cut on Friday and that will save a lot of money.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:23 PM

On what?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 3:44 PM |


"Redskins WR/PR Antwaan Randle El is due a $4.25 million salary in 2010, plus a $6.25 million offseason roster bonus."

"Randle El's salary drops to $1.95M if the bonus is paid before August 31, but he's likely played his last down in burgundy and gold..."

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Gerald McCoy 6'4 295 23 Reps & 225

Now there is a legitimate red flag for McCoy

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 3:43 PM

What the heck is going on at OU? Kelley came to camp and needed to work out, Bradford needed to get away from campus to bulk up. McCoy is a girly man. What did Trent Williams do on the bench? I guess the team that drafts McCoy will have to have some workout bonus or something written in the contract. Imagine how much better he could be if he actually spent a lot of time lifting.

Posted by: TWISI | March 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"As much as people have confidence in Shanahan, he's NEVER had a draft pick in the top 10 overall. So he's never had to sort through what happens at the top of the draft the way he has to this year. Posted by: zcezcest1"

That's also why we don't know which way he'll lean. But he's picked a fair number of defensive players in the past.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

LB Aaron Curry ran a 4.53. Orakpo was around 4.6, I think. I mean, if your little back can't outrun an LB, even I can do that math ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I say we go for Tebow @ #4..

...Did you know he had the HIGHEST vertical recorded by any QB??

Wow...Just Wow....

(Side note, he must do alot of masterbation because he had the biggest hands by an inch but he was one of the shortest QBs....Go Figure)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess we should just line up every player in the NFL and time them in the 40. Then we would know who theoretically is the best runner, tackler, quarterback, wide-receiver, blocker, etc. ...Yeah this makes sense.

Posted by: A_o_C57 | March 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of trouble with the pick value charts. What matters is who's on the board, what teams want him, how badly they want him, what they have to offer, and the needs of the teams between you and the team you're trading with. For example, say Bradford is still on the board and Seattle is sold on his being healthy and the next great franchise QB. If they believe that the Skins will take him if they don't make a trade, then they might offer the farm to get him. Another consideration for Seattle might be that they have another number one at 14, so they might be more willing to part with a second round pick this year than another team. So much depends on specific circumstances in each trade that I think it's kind of silly to think it's all determined by some chart. That's why there are so many rumors of trades beforehand, but they all get made on draft day, when you can really see who you're trading for.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | March 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of trouble with the pick value charts. What matters is who's on the board, what teams want him, how badly they want him, what they have to offer, and the needs of the teams between you and the team you're trading with. For example, say Bradford is still on the board and Seattle is sold on his being healthy and the next great franchise QB. If they believe that the Skins will take him if they don't make a trade, then they might offer the farm to get him. Another consideration for Seattle might be that they have another number one at 14, so they might be more willing to part with a second round pick this year than another team. So much depends on specific circumstances in each trade that I think it's kind of silly to think it's all determined by some chart. That's why there are so many rumors of trades beforehand, but they all get made on draft day, when you can really see who you're trading for.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | March 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I say we go for Tebow @ #4..

...Did you know he had the HIGHEST vertical recorded by any QB??

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 4:00 PM

This is what we mean when we say that Tebow "has a lot of upside potential."

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone see the video and see Shanny carry JReid regarding you HAVE to HAVE the 3-4 to be a top Defense in the league?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 3:23 PM

4thy, I heard the same thing ... see 2:46pm ... I mean, I think I heard the same thing ... depending on what "carry" means ...

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I say we go for Tebow @ #4..

...Did you know he had the HIGHEST vertical recorded by any QB??

Wow...Just Wow....

(Side note, he must do alot of masterbation because he had the biggest hands by an inch but he was one of the shortest QBs....Go Figure)

Posted by: 4thFloor

Yeah, indeed 4th. With a vertical like THAT, why bother drafting offensive linemen? Tebow would just jump over on-coming blizters, and if one of his linemen is being pushed into him, he'll jump 40 inches in the air to look over BOTH his linemen and the defender and complete the pass...

Tebow beats off because he's not married and he's a Jesus freak.

Or maybe him and his girl fu_k each other in the ear, since it's not sexual intercourse of any kind and God said that's okay....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I say we go for Tebow @ #4..

...Did you know he had the HIGHEST vertical recorded by any QB??

Wow...Just Wow....

(Side note, he must do alot of masterbation because he had the biggest hands by an inch but he was one of the shortest QBs....Go Figure)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 1, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Its about time you two came around.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe him and his girl fu_k each other in the ear, since it's not sexual intercourse of any kind and God said that's okay....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:16 PM

RedDMV, the Bible scholar. I don't remember this part -- was it in the Old Testament or New Testament?

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe him and his girl fu_k each other in the ear, since it's not sexual intercourse of any kind and God said that's okay....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:16 PM
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Aural sex????

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Interesting opinion on the redskins switch to 3-4. check it out.
http://billythedistinguishedgentlemen.blogspot.com/

Posted by: b145579 | March 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I have a lot of trouble with the pick value charts. What matters is who's on the board, what teams want him, how badly they want him, what they have to offer, and the needs of the teams between you and the team you're trading with. For example, say Bradford is still on the board and Seattle is sold on his being healthy and the next great franchise QB. If they believe that the Skins will take him if they don't make a trade, then they might offer the farm to get him. Another consideration for Seattle might be that they have another number one at 14, so they might be more willing to part with a second round pick this year than another team. So much depends on specific circumstances in each trade that I think it's kind of silly to think it's all determined by some chart. That's why there are so many rumors of trades beforehand, but they all get made on draft day, when you can really see who you're trading for.

Posted by: Charles_Day@comcast.net | March 1, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The pick value chart is just a guide. Any trade will come down to 2 teams which can agree to make a trade. The chart may help each team determine what is reasonable, but it is the haggling of the two teams that determines what get swapped.

LS from MO was just making a supposition...suppose we gave up our #4 pick for a second and a third this year, and a first and third next year. Would anyone make that deal?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

L-S

This would be a lockout instead of a strike like '87.

I read it somewhere that the NFLPA stipulated that the NFL could not use Scabs. Can't find it, now.

From the owners perspective.

Replacement players would not be an option. In ‘87, the TV network contracts were not guaranteed, meaning if there were no games being played, the NFL would receive no money. In 2011, the TV contracts are guaranteed; the NFL gets paid whether players are on the field or picket line.

I also recently heard Mort, King, Clayton or one of the other talking heads talk about this not being an option. This may be the 1 hit I get every ten bats..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Aural sex????

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 1, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse
lol, rsh

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

League-S, it was in one of those "lost books". Pick one.

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Or maybe him and his girl fu_k each other in the ear, since it's not sexual intercourse of any kind and God said that's okay....

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:16 PM
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Aural sex????

Posted by: RedSkinHead

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Canal sex.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

You guys are missing another thing that will help save money in 2011. The fact that there will be a rookie wage scale, this will keep rookie salaries very low.

The owners want this and the union wants it, so it will be done.

I agree with zj that the owners will not put a cap back in place that will force teams to purge there rostrer. The union would'nt go for it either.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 1, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

4th why didnt you throw his other stats in there? Hype him up a bit more?

Here I will help you.....

Further proof that Tebow is perhaps the best pure athlete in the draft at the game’s most important position: He did the three-cone drill in 6.66 seconds, the 20-yard shuffle in 4.17 seconds and the 60-yard shuffle in 11.27 seconds. Not only were all three tops among QBs, but his three-cone beat California running back Jahvid Best (6.75), his short shuffle beat Arizona State receiver Kyle Williams (4.19) and his long shuttle beat Clemson wideout Jacoby Ford (11.58).

http://www.scout.com/2/950151.html


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

LMAO!!!

Fu_k me running, I just did a search on "Arual sex" and whaddayaknow, it's a real damn term...

I don't know what's scarier: That people actually "cut up" the ear canal or people have done it so much that they've coined a term for the nasty sh*t.

My b. Back to the combine convo... But I found that to be sickly interesting.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Here I will help you.....

Further proof that Tebow is perhaps the best pure athlete in the draft at the game’s most important position: He did the three-cone drill in 6.66 seconds, the 20-yard shuffle in 4.17 seconds and the 60-yard shuffle in 11.27 seconds. Not only were all three tops among QBs, but his three-cone beat California running back Jahvid Best (6.75), his short shuffle beat Arizona State receiver Kyle Williams (4.19) and his long shuttle beat Clemson wideout Jacoby Ford (11.58).

http://www.scout.com/2/950151.html


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Good. Then he'll have no problem transitioning to H-Back.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 1, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports the Chargers are holding out hope they can entice running back Darren Sproles to return with a multiyear contract offer. However, sources said the deep-pocketed Washington Redskins are going to be among those in the bidding for Sproles.

http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/3657/Report--Redskins-to-bid-on-Sproles/Default.aspx

Sam Bradford impresses Browns GM Heckert, who says draft deal is possible. Browns looking to trade up??? Possible skins partner to trade down?

http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/3654/Sam-Bradford-impresses-Browns-GM-Heckert--who-says-draft-deal-is-possible/Default.aspx

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Interesting opinion on the redskins switch to 3-4. check it out.
http://billythedistinguishedgentlemen.blogspot.com/

Posted by: b145579 | March 1, 2010 4:21 PM

Again, Nice blog Billy…unfortunately most people will either not click on it or leave immediately after realizing it's not porn. If it’s 2 girls & 1 cup, BeantownGreg will be there for hours.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

dcsween PREDICTS:

Not Chester Taylor and not Darren Sproles, but the Skins sign Mike Bell, RFA tendered at "right of first refusal" by the Saints today. Undrafted, Mike Bell displaced Tatum Bell as the presumed starter in the preseason and was the #3 back in Denver in 2006. After he was cut there, he got picked up by Houston (the offensive coordinator's team). As a plug-and-play RB in the Shanasystem ... with a Saints season and SB ring under his belt (or on his finger I guess), he seems like a natural pickup ... or maybe in addition to Sproles.

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse


My b. Back to the combine convo... But I found that to be sickly interesting.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse


Thats got to be a leasing cause of ear infuctions.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

*leading

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Off the subject, a warning to anybody willing to take a breakfast bar from a co-worker.

DO NOT EAT A FIBER ONE BAR!!!

It is worse than Colon Blow!!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

unfortunately most people will either not click on it or leave immediately after realizing it's not porn. ...

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 4:38 PM

... or noticing continuing reliance on Cornelius Griffin ... and THEN finding no links to porn ...

On that point, we does everyone think Haynesworth has to play nose? Haynesworth has the speed and power to play end in a 3-4 ... if he's only got a tackle and a chip block, he's in.

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm excited to see the Skins run a 3-4 next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 1, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

On that point, we does everyone think Haynesworth has to play nose? Haynesworth has the speed and power to play end in a 3-4 ... if he's only got a tackle and a chip block, he's in.

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 4:49 PM

I agree, he would be waste at NT. If he hated Blache's scheme, what do you think his thoughts would be about playing a NT in a 3-4. He's already said he's not a "space eater". He would be dominant as a DE though so we need to find someone to platoon with Monty.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Antrel Rolle, anyone?

Or maybe Thomas Jones backing up CP?

Back in the day, the clueless Snydermen would slurp these cats up and hand them big paychecks after a 'copter ride and dinna.

Thank god this is not that day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Back in the day, ... Thank god this is not that day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2010 5:01 PM

That day would be Friday (or not).

Posted by: dcsween | March 1, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

"I'm excited to see the Skins run a 3-4 next year."


I'm in gloat mode about the 3-4, 4-3 hybrid look as over the past two years of posting, countless folks howled whenever I posted that this should be a change the skins make.

And if Shanny wants this kind of overwhelming change on defense, you have to wonder about the offensive changes he has in mind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4956942

Maybe we could send CR22 to Dallas for Tashard Choice? Lol, then watch him suddenly learn how to catch.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And if Shanny wants this kind of overwhelming change on defense, you have to wonder about the offensive changes he has in mind.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the offensive changes will include scoring touchdowns.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 1, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

dcsween PREDICTS:

Not Chester Taylor and not Darren Sproles, but the Skins sign Mike Bell, RFA tendered at "right of first refusal" by the Saints today. Undrafted, Mike Bell displaced Tatum Bell as the presumed starter in the preseason and was the #3 back in Denver in 2006. After he was cut there, he got picked up by Houston (the offensive coordinator's team). As a plug-and-play RB in the Shanasystem ... with a Saints season and SB ring under his belt (or on his finger I guess), he seems like a natural pickup ... or maybe in addition to Sproles.

Posted by: dcsween

I like Bell and could see Shanahan going there. Hasn't he gotten hurt a bit too often, though?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Sproles will be a target for the 'skins in free agency.


Posted by: jgarrisn | March 1, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse


??

Why does it look like that? Because some rumor-monger with a blog said the Skins might do that?

When was the last time you saw Mike Shanahan go out in free agency and get into a bidding war for a running back?

It's not going to happen. He'll bring in some Alridge-types off the street or see if there are any vets out there ready to sign for the minimum after thbig FA $$ have been spent or spend a low-ound pick on a guy he thinks will fit his system.

Posted by: p1funk | March 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It’s all a ruse. Hype up the QB’s in hope that they get picked ahead of the skins at #4. The skins then get whichever DT, Suh or McCoy is still there and continue to run the 4-3.

Say Bradford and Clausen have strong showings on their pro days. Bradford goes #1, maybe some team like Cleveland, Buffalo, Seattle (Clausen and Pete Carroll seems like a strange mix though) decides they want Clausen but know they have to jump ahead of the skins to get him. It could happen. ?????????

Posted by: skinswest | March 1, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"I agree, he would be waste at NT."

A waste? Hardly. He would always command double teams (a primary job of the NT), and he would likely beat a lot of them too. Not all 3-4s employ space-eating NTs. A primary example of this (and the defense that the Redskins should aim to replicate), are the Dallas Cowboys with Jay Ratliff. They use the 3-4 ends as their space occupiers (like Igor Olshansky), while Ratliff attacks the football from the A-gaps. It's a dangerous plan of attack, because with Ware coming from the outside and Ratliff penetrating up the middle, the pocket collapses mighty quickly. It's all about the scheme within the 3-4. Not all of them are built alike.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Why does it look like that? Because some rumor-monger with a blog said the Skins might do that?

When was the last time you saw Mike Shanahan go out in free agency and get into a bidding war for a running back?

It's not going to happen. He'll bring in some Alridge-types off the street or see if there are any vets out there ready to sign for the minimum after thbig FA $$ have been spent or spend a low-ound pick on a guy he thinks will fit his system.

Posted by: p1funk | March 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Travis Henry comes to mind.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm in gloat mode about the 3-4, 4-3 hybrid look as over the past two years of posting, countless folks howled whenever I posted that this should be a change the skins make
Posted by: MistaMoe | March 1, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse
I've been with you there, Moe. Keep the offenses guessing who is coming, who is covering. Jam the wr's, don't play zone and let them get easy shots. And with Haynie, Orakpe, & Carter charging, they won't have much time to pick us apart.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 1, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Travis Henry comes to mind.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse


That was probably the most he'd ever spent on a running back, and I think he learned his lesson on that one.

Posted by: p1funk | March 1, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Why does it look like that? Because some rumor-monger with a blog said the Skins might do that?

When was the last time you saw Mike Shanahan go out in free agency and get into a bidding war for a running back?

It's not going to happen. He'll bring in some Alridge-types off the street or see if there are any vets out there ready to sign for the minimum after thbig FA $$ have been spent or spend a low-ound pick on a guy he thinks will fit his system.

Posted by: p1funk | March 1, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Travis Henry comes to mind.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 1, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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Also, in a 4 year span with the Broncos, Shanahan drafted Clinton Portis in the 2nd, Tatum Bell in the second, and Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round, all in separate years. I wouldn't be surprised if he used our 2nd or 4th rounder on a RB this year, if there's value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

My b. Back to the combine convo... But I found that to be sickly interesting.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 1, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Thats got to be a leasing cause of ear infuctions.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention Hearing AIDS.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 1, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Tebow should just go get him married a government nun and drop off a rack of K-47 babies on the enemies haid fer the oil company...But seriously, McCluster (I TOLD you, don't eat the oatmeal!!), Best and Gilyard should be available in later rounds, any of 'em are gonna be awesome..

Posted by: frak | March 1, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Norv - Shuler/Frerotte
Marty - Tony Banks
Spurrier - Wuerfel/Shane whatever
Gibbs - Brunnel/Campbell
Zorn - Campbell
Shanahan - ???

Seems like the first thing most new coaches do is get a QB who fits their offense. Zorn won't allow himself to get "stuck" with someone else's QB again if he ever gets to coach another team.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 1, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Also, in a 4 year span with the Broncos, Shanahan drafted Clinton Portis in the 2nd, Tatum Bell in the second, and Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round, all in separate years. I wouldn't be surprised if he used our 2nd or 4th rounder on a RB this year, if there's value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

He's got CP.

He can go get Tatum Bell.

Unfortunatley Clarret is...well, have a prior commitment.

I'd be very surprised to see Shanny use a 2nd round pick on a RB considering the other needs on this team.

Posted by: p1funk | March 1, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't wanna work, I just wanna bang on the eardrum all day...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 1, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Here I will help you.....

Further proof that Tebow is perhaps the best pure athlete in the draft at the game’s most important position: He did the three-cone drill in 6.66 seconds, the 20-yard shuffle in 4.17 seconds and the 60-yard shuffle in 11.27 seconds. Not only were all three tops among QBs, but his three-cone beat California running back Jahvid Best (6.75), his short shuffle beat Arizona State receiver Kyle Williams (4.19) and his long shuttle beat Clemson wideout Jacoby Ford (11.58).

http://www.scout.com/2/950151.html


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | March 1, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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Whoopty-freakin' do. I utterly don't care about the cone drill or shuttle run times for a QB. Show us some video of Tebow in a pro-set offense where he doesn't have the best athletes and players in the country on his side going against largely inferior competition for 10 or 11 of 13 weeks per year and where he demonstrates a good, strong, accurate ball and maybe then the Redskins will draft him. Tebow is simply not a great NFL QB prospect at this point, from what my humble, non-expert eyes have seen.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 1, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Dexter McCluster looks a better deal than Darren Sproles and could be there in the third round. McCluster is strong, fast, and has a really great burst. Not so much lateral, but a great fit for Shanahan's zone-blocking offense. One cut and BOOM. Too bad the Redskins don't have a 3rd round pick.

If the Skins want to go to a 3-4, look for them to draft a NT like Jeff Owens in the second round.

QB: everybody's favorite sleeper is Dan Lefevour. He walks like a dork.

Posted by: dpc2003 | March 1, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet you guys didn't know I was at the combine.

That's me staring into the near distance next to Shanny.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | March 1, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2010 5:20 PM

You essentially posted what I've been saying for weeks regarding the 3-4 principles. However, you don't pay a guy 48 mil over 4 years to tie up blockers. His impact would be greater as a 3-4 DE, This is why Blache occasionally used him as an end and why guys like Seymour, Castillo, & Ngata are not NTs in a 3-4.

I could probably find 5-10 others similar to this one which I posted last night.

3-4 DEs are hard to quantify by stats, same with NTs. This is why some would consider Tyson Jackson a bust. 4-3 DEs get after the QB and most would be considered OLBs in a 3-4.

Prototypical 3-4 DEs: Haynie, Seymour, Trevor Pryce, Brett Keisel, Ty Warren, Tyson Jackson, Olshansky, Luis Castillo. Big strong guys that would play inside in a 4-3.

Prototypical 3-4 OLBs typically played DE in college or would play DE in a 4-3. Ware, Harrison, Woodley, Ellis, Vrabel, Orakpo, Suggs, Anthony Spencer, Shawn Merriman.

Prototypical NTs: Wilfork, Hampton, Kris Jenkins. 350+ guys that spend all day tying up at least 2 blockers every play (except Jay Ratliff).


Posted by: Diesel44 | February 28, 2010 10:42 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - I say we go for Tebow @ #4..

...Did you know he had the HIGHEST vertical recorded by any QB??

Wow...Just Wow....

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He is Superman! Of course he can FLY!

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

If the Chargers felt Sproles was good enough, they wouldn`t let him go..especially with LT being cut as well. I believe I read that Sproles averaged like 3.7 yds, per carry last year. This is not someone you want to pay a lot of money for.
Since all our backs stink..they should pick up someone either in a lower round, or a non-drafted player. The keys are: he must have a lot of speed, and good hands. Until our O line gets a good bit better..running backs will GAIN A LOT MORE YARDS ON SWING PASSES AND SCREENS, THAN BY RUNNING THE BALL.
SPEED SPEED, AND MORE SPEED!!

Posted by: blazerguy234 | March 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

i would like the skins to get rolle for FS but if not which i doubt that will happen....how about ryan clark? little old but still better than LL out of position

Posted by: skinsst21 | March 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The keys are: he must have a lot of speed, and good hands. Until our O line gets a good bit better..running backs will GAIN A LOT MORE YARDS ON SWING PASSES AND SCREENS, THAN BY RUNNING THE BALL.
SPEED SPEED, AND MORE SPEED!!


Posted by: blazerguy234 | March 1, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that what Sproles is good at? Isn't he FAST,FAST,FAST?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 1, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that what Sproles is good at? Isn't he FAST,FAST,FAST?

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 1, 2010 6:11 PM

I'd take Sproles, but at the right price. He's looking for top 10 RB money and he is and will always be a 3rd/KR/PR. He's just not worth that kind of scratch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Whoopty-freakin' do. I utterly don't care about the cone drill or shuttle run times for a QB. Show us some video of Tebow in a pro-set offense where he doesn't have the best athletes and players in the country on his side going against largely inferior competition for 10 or 11 of 13 weeks per year and where he demonstrates a good, strong, accurate ball and maybe then the Redskins will draft him. Tebow is simply not a great NFL QB prospect at this point, from what my humble, non-expert eyes have seen.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 1, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Umm....SEC?....Inferior Competition?

It's the ONLY conference that actually PLAYS DEFENSE!

Oh and what Offense did the Super Bowl Champion Saints run this year with Breesy Drewy fella?

Oh yeah the it's the SPREAD OFFENSE run out of the SHOTGUN.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/01/29/tebow-tiller/index.html

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I'd take Sproles, but at the right price. He's looking for top 10 RB money and he is and will always be a 3rd/KR/PR. He's just not worth that kind of scratch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

This is where we disagree. I believe a PR/KR as well as being a 3rd down back is as important as a 20+carry guy. Sproles had around 400 all purpose yards in that playoff game vs. Indy. To me 400 yards is 400 yards, doesn't matter how you get them.I say sign the guy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | March 1, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

A quick note.

Having spent nearly a month in Chile, its really tough to see what has happened there. Chile was, perhaps still is, on the verge of being a first world country. Chile's president actually attended junior high in Bethesda (Western, now Westland) and her nephews attended UC Berkeley.

I have several friends in the country, all are safe. Most were in parts of the country that weren't affected.

Its a bit strange keeping one eye on who the Skins will sign/trade/draft and the other on the disaster so far away.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Just thought of something.. what if Suh is available at 4?? Do we take him or pass for best available O Lineman?? I know it is not a need for us, but damn that would be sweet!

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 1, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Also, in a 4 year span with the Broncos, Shanahan drafted Clinton Portis in the 2nd, Tatum Bell in the second, and Maurice Clarett in the 3rd round, all in separate years. I wouldn't be surprised if he used our 2nd or 4th rounder on a RB this year, if there's value.

Posted by: psps23 | March 1, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Montario Hardesty RB from Tennessee would be a great draft pick (predicted 3rd- early 4th)

Posted by: Superman321 | March 1, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | March 1, 2010 6:26 PM

Yes. I would say no to McCoy though.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 1, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 1, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Umm....SEC?....Inferior Competition?

It's the ONLY conference that actually PLAYS DEFENSE!

Oh and what Offense did the Super Bowl Champion Saints run this year with Breesy Drewy fella?

Oh yeah the it's the SPREAD OFFENSE run out of the SHOTGUN.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/01/29/tebow-tiller/index.html

Posted by: filmchis | March 1, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse
___________

Don't overrate the SEC like everyone else does. The SEC has its share of crappy teams like every conference does. Florida had a couple of truly tough conference games each year, and they play 3 weak-sister out of conference games every year. And as far as the spread offense, come talk to me when you see the Redskins run that as their base set. But that's not what's important here, to me. My point is that I just don't buy the idea that Tebow is an elite NFL QB prospect. Great person and leader? Apparently so. But I didn't ever see him demonstrate a top-notch NFL arm, and I think alot of those Florida games were blow-outs because of the level of talent Urban Meyer was able to recruit year after year, and because they ran the score up in the 4th quarter (like all teams do). Put Tebow in a more "average" collegiate program and I don't think everyone would be gaga over him, and I think other QBs would have fared just as well as he did at Florida. I think several QBs this year have better arms and skill-sets that are more NFL-ready.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 1, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Shocking story z's.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

god i can't believe these fools are going to waste the 4th pick on jimmy clausen or sam bradford...8-8 forever.

Posted by: BMACattack | March 1, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

The Combine IS NOT about speed, reps, mobility, etc. It IS about how participants react to unaccustomed pressure--such as 32 team doctors poking and prodding every part of the body; or, more importantly, how someone REACTS if he runs a 4.6 on Indy's very slow track rather than the reported 4.3; does he quiver and moan--even cry--that he needs another chance; if that happens evaluators recognize a player who cannot shrug off a problem because if that happens in a game situation and he makes another and another misplay the result is not only a lost game but also fewer dollars for everyone else. So, don't take what idiots such as Kiper report as gospel because if it were that easy why would clubs spend millions every year for detailed scouting?

Posted by: iliwai34 | March 1, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

god i can't believe these fools are going to waste the 4th pick on jimmy clausen or sam bradford...8-8 forever.

Posted by: BMACattack | March 1, 2010 7:05 PM

They aren't. But you seem to get a lot of pleasure in thinking that they will. And you call them fools.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm with BMACattack. I don't want no stupid good QB. I want to be like the Rams and Chiefs and draft top 5 linemen every year - forever. Hooray Drafting top 5.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 1, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The concern over switching to a 3-4 is I think overstated.

It's relatively easy to find big stationary DEs that fit into a 3-4, whether coming out of college where they probably played tackle. Nose players are indeed harder to find, but they do come in two styles: space eaters like Ted Washington or Tony Siragusa, and pass rushers like Haynesworth. The value of somebody like Albert is that he can 'blow up' the center and collapse the pocket backwards. Ideally that forces the QB to either roll towards the pass rushers or step back where they wide rush can get at him. Of course this takes enormous expenditure of energy and a player who is both huge and explosive. You wouldn't expect somebody like that to play more than 40 or 50% of the snaps, and Albert doesn't.

But there's really not much of a defense against ti, as Tennessee demonstrated a couple seasons ago.

The other question is who will play the rest of the snaps at that position. That's the player the Skins probably don't have as of yet.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

From WaPo:

"... teams like the Redskins must decide if free agents such as Carolina defensive end Julius Peppers are worth the cost to invest in a one-season run at glory."

With so many O pieces missing (QB, RB, OL, WR) I'm at a loss as to how the Skins would pull off a "one-season run at glory".

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm with BMACattack. I don't want no stupid good QB. I want to be like the Rams and Chiefs and draft top 5 linemen every year - forever. Hooray Drafting top 5.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 1, 2010 7:19 PM |

I'll take 1 lineman in the first half of the draft at all in 5 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Between Los, D Hall, Tryone and Barnes, we don't have ANYTHING that looks like a big, shutdown style corner. I really think we should not go any lower than round 2 looking for that very important piece of the puzzle. Gotta have that in the NFC EAST

It's a deep draft, so we should be able to find a very good value at Guard or Center (or even RT) in rounds 4 or 5. Guys like Marshal Newhouse, Petrus, Walton or Olson. If Adam Ulatoski falls to round 4 I think about taking him as well. Any two of those dudes would probably be pretty good...

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

The value of somebody like Albert is that he can 'blow up' the center and collapse the pocket backwards.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:21 PM |

The only pocket AH was worrying about was his own, and it wasn't going to be collapsing, not with a guaranteed $41 M trickling in. Heh, heh.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"

The Combine IS NOT about speed, reps, mobility, etc. It IS about how participants react to unaccustomed pressure--such as 32 team doctors poking and prodding every part of the body; or, more importantly, how someone REACTS if he runs a 4.6 on Indy's very slow track rather than the reported 4.3; does he quiver and moan--even cry--that he needs another chance; if that happens evaluators recognize a player who cannot shrug off a problem because if that happens in a game situation and he makes another and another misplay the result is not only a lost game but also fewer dollars for everyone else. So, don't take what idiots such as Kiper report as gospel because if it were that easy why would clubs spend millions every year for detailed scouting?Posted by: iliwai34"

Kiper's not an idiot. He's actually stumbled on a very effective model of consensus-building, which is validated by quite a bit of social psychology research. In brief, he talks to almost everybody, gathering vast amounts of opinion from a wide range of 'experts', each of whom has access to some information, however, that others don't have. Gradually a fairly complete picture is formed of each player that represents not what he 'is', but what the majority of personnel people believe him to be. Kiper then goes on TV and pretends this was all his own original opinion.

The big weakness in this model is that at some point in the evaluation process, teams begin deliberately lying (disinforming) the media about what they think, in order to maximize their chances of getting a player they want. Kiper counters this by gathering much of his information not from GMs but from the scouts who watch film and attend games. He's still vulnerable to disinformation, but he's got better ground-level info than the media, for instance.

The other model is the 'expert' opinion, coming from guys like McShay or Mike Mayock or Vic Carucci or Gil Brandt. Here what you're getting is 'authority', the presumption of special expertise. These experts bring their own special perspective to this player and that, but they're not really able to study every player very closely, and so their analyses tend to focus on a relatively small percent of the draft class. Since Kiper doesn't really know much about player evaluation, he can put together a reasonably good consensus opinion on hundreds of players.

Look, drafting isn't an exact science, and in fact isn't much of a science at all. It's not far off to say that when it comes to the fourth round on, 'nobody knows nothin'". And eveybody is relying to a large extent on the phenomenon known as luck.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"

The Combine IS NOT about speed, reps, mobility, etc. It IS about how participants react to unaccustomed pressure--such as 32 team doctors poking and prodding every part of the body; or, more importantly, how someone REACTS if he runs a 4.6 on Indy's very slow track rather than the reported 4.3; does he quiver and moan--even cry--that he needs another chance; if that happens evaluators recognize a player who cannot shrug off a problem because if that happens in a game situation and he makes another and another misplay the result is not only a lost game but also fewer dollars for everyone else. So, don't take what idiots such as Kiper report as gospel because if it were that easy why would clubs spend millions every year for detailed scouting?Posted by: iliwai34"

Kiper's not an idiot. He's actually stumbled on a very effective model of consensus-building, which is validated by quite a bit of social psychology research. In brief, he talks to almost everybody, gathering vast amounts of opinion from a wide range of 'experts', each of whom has access to some information, however, that others don't have. Gradually a fairly complete picture is formed of each player that represents not what he 'is', but what the majority of personnel people believe him to be. Kiper then goes on TV and pretends this was all his own original opinion.

The big weakness in this model is that at some point in the evaluation process, teams begin deliberately lying (disinforming) the media about what they think, in order to maximize their chances of getting a player they want. Kiper counters this by gathering much of his information not from GMs but from the scouts who watch film and attend games. He's still vulnerable to disinformation, but he's got better ground-level info than the media, for instance.

The other model is the 'expert' opinion, coming from guys like McShay or Mike Mayock or Vic Carucci or Gil Brandt. Here what you're getting is 'authority', the presumption of special expertise. These experts bring their own special perspective to this player and that, but they're not really able to study every player very closely, and so their analyses tend to focus on a relatively small percent of the draft class. Since Kiper doesn't really know much about player evaluation, he can put together a reasonably good consensus opinion on hundreds of players.

Look, drafting isn't an exact science, and in fact isn't much of a science at all. It's not far off to say that when it comes to the fourth round on, 'nobody knows nothin'". And eveybody is relying to a large extent on the phenomenon known as luck.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Between Los, D Hall, Tryone and Barnes, we don't have ANYTHING that looks like a big, shutdown style corner. I really think we should not go any lower than round 2 looking for that very important piece of the puzzle. Gotta have that in the NFC EAST

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 7:29 PM |

Hey, look at it this way.

UFA = Pep, Dan
Draft = Suh

With that kind of set-up my wife and I could play like shut-down CBs.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

or, more importantly, how someone REACTS if he runs a 4.6 on Indy's very slow track rather than the reported 4.3; does he quiver and moan--even cry--that he needs another chance; if that happens evaluators recognize a player who cannot shrug off a problem because if that happens in a game situation and he makes another and another misplay ...

Posted by: Samson151 |

1. "does he quiver and moan". Not really. It isn't Cinemax for Chrissakes.

2. "he needs another chance". Say hello to Malcom Kelly.

3. "if that happens evaluators recognize a player who cannot shrug off a problem". The Skins evals whiffed on that one.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"if it were that easy why would clubs spend millions every year for detailed scouting?Posted by: iliwai34"

Clubs spend miiiions on detailed scouting because outside of a narrow range of the really talented, they can't really tell who will be a good player and who won't. There are simply too many unknowns, including the spectre of injury. So they need to protect their posteriors against the rising tide of blame and the prospect of getting fired for incompetence.

That's why they spend millions, and that's why much of it is for nought.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

That's why they spend millions, and that's why much of it is for nought.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:55 PM |

Not only that, but each team in essence is duplicating pretty much what every other team is doing. It's like the Neanderthal NFL never heard of outsourcing. Duh.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey, look at it this way.

UFA = Pep, Dan
Draft = Suh

With that kind of set-up my wife and I could play like shut-down CBs.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 7:40 PM |

Did you watch the Colts, Saints, Chargers, the list goes on....?

They get the ball out. Gotta have the corners covered and some run support out wide.

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Kiper's not an idiot.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 7:39 PM |

What's his Wonderlic score?

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Did you watch the Colts, Saints, Chargers, the list goes on....?

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 8:01 PM |

Don't recall them playing against a DL of Suh, Hay and Pep.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

"or, more importantly, how someone REACTS if he runs a 4.6 on Indy's very slow track rather than the reported 4.3; does he quiver and moan--even cry--that he needs another chance; if that happens evaluators recognize a player who cannot shrug off a problem because if that happens in a game situation and he makes another and another misplay ...
Posted by: Samson151"

Only problem is, I didn't say the above, nor do I think it. That was somebody named illwai34.

So, Liberty Valance, looks like I'll have to shoot you.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

So, Liberty Valance, looks like I'll have to shoot you.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 8:21 PM |

Go ahead. Valance is my evil twin.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Clever. The bullets will have to fire periodically.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The bullets will have to fire periodically.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 1, 2010 8:45 PM

The Bullets, maybe, but never the Wizards.

Posted by: League-Source | March 1, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Did you watch the Colts, Saints, Chargers, the list goes on....?

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 8:01 PM |

Don't recall them playing against a DL of Suh, Hay and Pep.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 8:18 PM |

Doesn't change a thing. Still need at least one top flight corner.

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't change a thing. Still need at least one top flight corner.

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 9:03 PM |

Not true. Most decent CBs can cover even elite WRs for the first 4 sec after the ball is snapped. Then the good WRs get separation and the D has probs. With a DL of Hay, Pep and Suh, either the QB is planted like a spring tulip by the 4 sec mark or he is running for his life.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall can still become our top flight corner.

Has it been confirmed that he will train with Darrell Green this offseason?

Green worked wonders for Tryon and he can prolly do the same for Hall.

Because of recently changed pass interference rules benefiting the offense, I'd say on the spectrum of importance to a defense:

D-line > Secondary (IMO)

Posted by: Vicc | March 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Not true. Most decent CBs can cover even elite WRs for the first 4 sec after the ball is snapped. Then the good WRs get separation and the D has probs. With a DL of Hay, Pep and Suh, either the QB is planted like a spring tulip by the 4 sec mark or he is running for his life.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 9:27 PM

A decent CB can cover an elite WR for four seconds, huh?

You are high.

Posted by: edvar | March 1, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

RUSSELL OKUNG OT first round
TONY WASHINGTON OT fifth round

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 1, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

To all you Kiper fans: what you don't know is that he likes to "promote" chosen players by taking fees from their agents. Of course, none of you are agents and therefore wouldn't believe this. But, if those "promotion" fees elevate a player into Kiper's "Best Talent Left On The Board", who knows what effect that has on scouting staffs who also want to look good for the media. As for why each club spends so much individually, why don't you look into the derivation of "Combine"? Just a little research goes a long way.

Posted by: iliwai34 | March 2, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Not true. Most decent CBs can cover even elite WRs for the first 4 sec after the ball is snapped. Then the good WRs get separation and the D has probs. With a DL of Hay, Pep and Suh, either the QB is planted like a spring tulip by the 4 sec mark or he is running for his life.

Posted by: LibertyValence | March 1, 2010 9:27 PM

A decent CB can cover an elite WR for four seconds, huh?

You are high.

Posted by: edvar

4 seconds? Wouldn't a WR be able to do a double move in 4 seconds? And isn't it pretty much over when a WR gets to do a double move?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 2, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say...I'm pretty sick of everyone tying EVERY name FA to the Redskins; I know on some level it's posturing by agents to drive their clients' prices up and the Redskins have certainly earned this kind of aimless speculation but it's pretty tiresome now. Hopefully Allen/Shanny's first order of business is to change that line of thinking within Redskins Park.

So 'no' to Peppers, 'no' to Sproles. The only FA I'd pursue this year is Dansby. With Orakpo here and a coach that has a rep for turning turds into 1,000 yard rushers, there's no need to open the coffers for Peppers and/or Sproles in a year that should be dedicated to ELIMINATING big salaries, not adding more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Check. Here's hoping it's just posturing to drive their prices up. If it turns out to be genuine interest within REDSKINS park, I hope its SNYDER's machination, not ALLEN's or SHANAHAN's.

On the OT front, I see TONY WASHINGTON's and JARED VELDHEER's stock's have both been climbing the charts as potential top tackles. In fact, I tuned in on the combine stats just for a peek, and was impressed how many times VELDHEER's name came up in the various catagories.

Adding two to the list of suspects at that spot doesn't hurt my feelings any. The deeper this draft the better as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 2, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

I hope its SNYDER's machination, not ALLEN's or SHANAHAN's.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 2, 2010 5:46 AM


Actually, that would be just as bad...that means Snyder is still putting his hands where they don't belong that he in fact hasn't learned his lesson.

The less we hear from Snyder and the less involved he is, the better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

The COLTS blogs are pounding the drum for JOIQUE BELL RB WAYNE STATE in the fourth round. A low 4.3 forty sounds like a good place to start with a back and SPROLES doesn't even have to be in the picture.

Honestly, I don't know why they pay scouts if they're not going to listen to them. Course The "BAG-MAN's" evil influence is gone. That's gotta' help.

I remember last draft someone in the selection room with the REDSKINS screaming, "No,no, TOLER" referring to GREG TOLER of the CARDS when KEVIN " Blow 'um up" BARNES was drafted.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 2, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

The less we hear from Snyder and the less involved he is, the better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Always the contrarian eh BROWNIE?

I agree but better him than the new management group.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 2, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

a year that should be dedicated to ELIMINATING big salaries, not adding more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 5:15 AM

Consider the irony. For a decade Snyder's had Vinny around telling him how he can spend more money, constrained only by the salary cap. Now that he can spend his last penny, he's got Shanahan and Allen who, we hope (fingers crossed), are telling him to save his money.

If Vinny were here, he would already have nudge-nudge, wink-wink deals with the three highest-priced free agents. If Gibbs were here, he would already have traded away this year's draft and half of next year's to get six restricted free agents. If Vinny and Gibbs were both here --- WOW! Blow up the team!

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

LS, I see the irony and hope the new way is finally the right way. We're long overdue in getting an effective FO.

Boy, I can't wait til Friday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

No question in my mind that the true strength of the REDSKINS was COOKE's reluctant hands-off philosophy, BEATHERD's gold-digging ability, and GIBBS' utilization on the field. When JOE's ego began to rise, and BOBBY split for SAN DIEGO, things began to go south.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 2, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

GL, I'm not sure you can say "things began to go south" after Beathard left when the Skins enjoyed their best season ever during that period. They may not have been as consistent, but I wouldn't say things went south (at least not while Gibbs was still coach).

Say what you will about Casserly, he left the Texans in better shape than he found them and made the absolutely right call in taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Actually I didn't say anything about CASSERLY. Come on 'WOOD lighten up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 2, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm good, GL...by "say what you will about Casserly", I didn't mean you in particular...just making a general statement. The only thing I disagreed with in your statement was that things went south after Beathard...it was after the end of Gibbs 1.0 that things REALLY went south.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

The Draft
#1 Bradford
# Suh
#3 Mccoy
#37 Ducasse

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | March 2, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

#4 Okung

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | March 2, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Not sure where you're going with that, SF37...are you insinuating that the Skins will make a trade for the first 3 picks in the draft AND keep the 37th pick????

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

:To all you Kiper fans: what you don't know is that he likes to "promote" chosen players by taking fees from their agents. Of course, none of you are agents and therefore wouldn't believe this. But, if those "promotion" fees elevate a player into Kiper's "Best Talent Left On The Board", who knows what effect that has on scouting staffs who also want to look good for the media. As for why each club spends so much individually, why don't you look into the derivation of "Combine"? Just a little research goes a long way.Posted by: iliwai34"

LOL I doubt Kiper has 'fans'. I'm just pointing out there are virtues in his methodology, even if he stumbled on it.

Of course if he's taking fees from agents to promote their clients, that would seriously undermine his credibility. I'm assuming that GMs and personnel directors aren't paying much attention to Kiper -- his value is to fans who follow the draft. He provides a different type of opinion than say, a Mike Mayock. Mike's an expert; Kiper's a pollster.

In fact, the general opinion of Mel's acument among GMs is pretty low, and always has been. Doesn't mean they won't talk to him; just that they regard him as media rather than a colleague.

That last comment about the derivation of combine: if you have a point, make it.

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

The draft will go
#1 Bradford
#2 Suh
#3 McCoy
#4 Okung

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | March 2, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

So 'no' to Peppers, 'no' to Sproles. The only FA I'd pursue this year is Dansby. With Orakpo here and a coach that has a rep for turning turds into 1,000 yard rushers, there's no need to open the coffers for Peppers and/or Sproles in a year that should be dedicated to ELIMINATING big salaries, not adding more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 5:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm not disagreeing with you, brownie, but I want our focus on salaries for 2011, not 2010. I could care less about how much $ they want to spend this year. So if FO sees someone they think can help us, go for it. Just front load the salaries into 2010, so we are in good shape when/if cap comes back.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Now that Snyder can spend his last penny, he's got Shanahan and Allen who, we hope (fingers crossed), are telling him to save his money.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 6:06 AM

You know, Shanahan got in trouble in Denver for exceeding the cap. Not sure that he would be inclined to save Snyder's money when there is no cap.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Kiper does seems long winded and rarely gives you a definitive conclusion. Mayock know's the topic knows the combine drills knows the nfl game.
Just watched our new GM on NFL network being interviewed at the combine. He's one smooth character. I'm thinking that he's not going to go overboard in FA. AFter all we did our splurging with Haynesworth last yr. If there's going to be a splash hopefully it will be for a young stud with our first pick.

Posted by: sthai75 | March 2, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Draft Joe Haden, He is homegrown and by far the most talented db in the draft

Posted by: MrSkinz | March 2, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I agree with fred some of you act like it's your money being spent. If you front load the guaranteed money the contract will not hurt the team in 2011. If a cap comes back it will not be hard cap to start. The union and the owners who like to spend money, and there are a few of them will not agree to something that makes a team purge there roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Just front load the salaries into 2010, so we are in good shape when/if cap comes back.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:02 AM


Not that easy...there's rules in place against doing that, otherwise everyone would guarantee huge 2010 salaries and drop off the pay in the years thereafter. Most of the rank-and-file wouldn't go for that anyway, since much of the league wouldn't benefit from the uncapped year.

The logical approach to this season is to not spend more than usual since there's no indication of what will happen come 2011. If you go nuts in 2010 and have to cut half your team in 2011 because of a new cap, that's obviously counterproductive.

It's time to build this team for the long haul, not just selling out to win it all in one given year. That lesson shoulda been learned in 2000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The draft will go
#1 Bradford
#2 Suh
#3 McCoy
#4 Okung

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | March 2, 2010 9:01 AM

Thanks. If you keep posting this every 5 minutes I'm sure it will come true.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Say what you will about Casserly, he left the Texans in better shape than he found them and made the absolutely right call in taking Mario Williams over Reggie Bush.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

100% agreed on Mario Williams, but since Casserly was their first GM, the only way the Texans could be in worse shape when he left is if they had no players.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | March 2, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The union and the owners who like to spend money, and there are a few of them will not agree to something that makes a team purge there roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 9:20 AM


Most teams are coming out and saying that they won't spend in 2010. No salary cap means no salary floor too. So just like you can spend as much as you want, you can also spend as little as you want. That's important because if there's a lockout in 2011, the owners won't wanna foot a big bill for guys who aren't even on the field.

Again...if you go out and rack up a $200 million tab on your player salaries, you'll have to cut at least $50 million of that in 2011 (in all likelihood) if a cap comes back. So unless you sign a bunch of guys to franchise tag-like, one year deals (which no one would agree to) you won't see a lot of big spending over the long term. Snyder's crazy, but he ain't THAT crazy (I hope).

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

So 'no' to Peppers, 'no' to Sproles. The only FA I'd pursue this year is Dansby. With Orakpo here and a coach that has a rep for turning turds into 1,000 yard rushers, there's no need to open the coffers for Peppers and/or Sproles in a year that should be dedicated to ELIMINATING big salaries, not adding more.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 5:15 AM

If you're looking for ILB help the Colts might not be able to reach an agreement with Brackett. But I have to say I think Sproles makes sense.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Brown is correct that there are rules to frontloading contracts, they are to difficult to discuss but they are there.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

More salary cap talk from PFT:

Unless someone caves, cap is going away on Friday
Posted by Mike Florio on March 2, 2010 8:32 AM ET
Well, it's nearly official.

On midnight Thursday, after we've all enjoyed the birth of Pam and Jim's baby, there will be another new arrival.

The uncapped year.

With Liz Mullen of SportsBusiness Journal reporting that no talks are scheduled from now through Friday between the NFL and the NFL Players Association, it's impossible -- or maybe unpossible -- that a new labor agreement will be reached before the salary cap goes the way of the salary floor, both of which are going the way of the dodo bird.

Though either or both eventually could return (there's also hope for the dodo bird), the disappearance of the spending maximum and the spending minimum means that the NFL will be plunged into uncertainty -- and that could make for a slow-moving free-agency period. Or things could move quickly. We just won't know until Friday comes.

There's still a chance, wafer-thin as it might be, that a deal will be accomplished. Either side could cave and accept the offer that the other side has placed on the table. The more likely development, if anything breaks, would be that the two sides rush to the bargaining table for a last-ditch effort to strike a deal, probably with the launch of free agency nudged back by a few days to give the parties a chance to see whether a deal can somehow be finalized.

Of course, this would require one party to ask for last-minute talks, which necessarily would give the other side considerable leverage.

Frankly, it would be wise for the union to request such a session, in the hopes of eliciting the absolute best offer that the league currently is willing to make. Even if the union doesn't plan to accept the deal, an earnest attempt would give the NFLPA extra cover with the 200-plus players who won't be unrestricted free agents in an uncapped year and who surely are wondering why nothing is currently happening. It would give the union more ammunition if/when there's a lockout to support the argument that the players have been doing everything they can to get a deal done.

As of right now, no one is doing anything. And that means that a deal probably won't get done until next year at this time, at the earliest.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Just front load the salaries into 2010, so we are in good shape when/if cap comes back.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:02 AM

Not that easy...there's rules in place against doing that,

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:26 AM

A rule against front loading? A lot of contracts a back loaded as a way to guarantee the player gets a strong bargaining position, or free agency status, after so many years. I don't know that there's been a need to make a rule against front loading.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't see any harm in getting Dansby and/or Sproles.

Dansby still has 5+ good years left. We need him if we run a 3-4, and Fletch doesn't have many years left. Good player.

Sproles is only 27 and is an upgrade over Betts, Rock, AA, MM (and probably CP). If you can't trade back and pick up a RB in the draft, I think he's a good option.

They both take away a need from the draft board.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman, getting Brackett would be insane...he plays in a Tampa 2, almost the antithesis of what we'll be running here. Having two undersized ILBs in a 3-4 is beyond nuts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I agree with fred some of you act like it's your money being spent. If you front load the guaranteed money the contract will not hurt the team in 2011. If a cap comes back it will not be hard cap to start. The union and the owners who like to spend money, and there are a few of them will not agree to something that makes a team purge there roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 9:20 AM
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It is OUR money. If Danny spends 300 million on salaries, how long do you think it will be before he raises parking, ticket and concession prices? Sure, let the teams keep spending their butts off and you won't be able to afford to go to a game.

Remember also that the salary cap was something the teams in the smaller markets needed to stay competitive. Revenue sharing makes it a little easier, but when a team like Green Bay, for instance, is trying to balance its books it is a lot harder to go out there and spend $100 million on some player who may be the next Reggie White. My point here is I am sure the commish told all of the teams not to go crazy because he realizes what will happen to the smaller teams if the spending is left uncapped. The need for a cap in this league is great because of the disparity in revenues between the teams.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Not that easy...there's rules in place against doing that, otherwise everyone would guarantee huge 2010 salaries and drop off the pay in the years thereafter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:26 AM

What rules are in place? I thought that what is happening is that everything related to salary caps disappears on Friday -- that the "rules in place" no longer apply. So, yeah, all the big spenders probably will have front-loaded contracts.

It's anyone's guess what rules will be invented, and when, in the future. So, that makes us all experts -- i.e., business as usual.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Just front load the salaries into 2010, so we are in good shape when/if cap comes back.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:02 AM


Not that easy...there's rules in place against doing that, otherwise everyone would guarantee huge 2010 salaries and drop off the pay in the years thereafter. Most of the rank-and-file wouldn't go for that anyway, since much of the league wouldn't benefit from the uncapped year.

The logical approach to this season is to not spend more than usual since there's no indication of what will happen come 2011. If you go nuts in 2010 and have to cut half your team in 2011 because of a new cap, that's obviously counterproductive.

It's time to build this team for the long haul, not just selling out to win it all in one given year. That lesson shoulda been learned in 2000.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse
I don't want players on a 1 year contract. But I do want to sign players that can help us for 3-4 years. I don't know what the front-loading rules are, but I think we should focus on what contracts we have for 2011 & 2012. Make sure that they will fit under any expected cap for those years. And if we give signing bonuses, make them just that, so they don't carry over to 2011 and beyond.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

It seems the one thing that needs to be fixed is rookie contracts. Four years is too long to be tied up, and the $$ the top rookies get is too much. Aside from that, if they don't come to an agreement they're in danger of football becoming like baseball and basketball. They could ruin the sport. The NFL is all I have left.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I don't know that there's been a need to make a rule against front loading.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 9:42 AM


No, because there hasn't been an uncapped year since free agency has been instituted.

There are a special set of rules that have been put in place to regulate this uncapped season. PFT gets a bad rap for the rumors on here, but the one thing they're good for is their coverage of the uncapped year and the possible lockout. So while I can't personally rattle off all the applicable rules, just know that the rules make it much harder (if not impossible) to load up a guy's contract in the 2010 portion and have the salary dramatically decrease thereafter.

And Ryp, no to Sproles. At 27, he's got 2 or 3 years of high level production max...and that's if the O-line isn't as awful as it was the last 1 1/2 years. That's not enough to warrant giving him a massive contract. Say 'yes' to drafting our own Sproles for pennies on the dollar and having Shanny coach 'em up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

It is OUR money. If Danny spends 300 million on salaries, how long do you think it will be before he raises parking, ticket and concession prices? Sure, let the teams keep spending their butts off and you won't be able to afford to go to a game.

Remember also that the salary cap was something the teams in the smaller markets needed to stay competitive. Revenue sharing makes it a little easier, but when a team like Green Bay, for instance, is trying to balance its books it is a lot harder to go out there and spend $100 million on some player who may be the next Reggie White. My point here is I am sure the commish told all of the teams not to go crazy because he realizes what will happen to the smaller teams if the spending is left uncapped. The need for a cap in this league is great because of the disparity in revenues between the teams.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 9:45 AM

Well, most of us don't go to the games anyway but watch them on TV. I could care less how much beer, parking, and tickets cost -- that's dcseen's money, not mine. Maybe I'll have to watch a few more commercials, but if they're beer commercials with hot chicks it's a small price to pay.

As far as the small market teams, they could care less about the salary CAP. Their problem is the salary FLOOR that REQUIRES them to spend at least 84% of the CAP. With the floor gone, they will cut their payrolls.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It is OUR money. If Danny spends 300 million on salaries, how long do you think it will be before he raises parking, ticket and concession prices? Sure, let the teams keep spending their butts off and you won't be able to afford to go to a game.
Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse
Gee, RSH, I'm a little short this morning. How do I go make a withdrawal?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Here are the rules for frontloading salaries they are a little hard to understand.


Can’t a team just front-load a contract to take advantage of the uncapped year?
No, this would be difficult to do. That is because, according to the CBA, any salary decrease of greater than 50% from one year to the next becomes signing bonus and thus is spread out over the life of the deal. For example, if the Patriots signed Vince Wilfork to a deal with a $20M salary in 2010 (uncapped) and a $4M salary in 2011 (capped), then that is a decrease of more than 50% ($10M), that $16M difference would become signing bonus and pro-rated over the life of the deal; if it was a four-year deal, then it would count as $4M/year, so the 2010 cap charge would reduce to $8M ($20M - $16M + $4M), and the 2011-2013 charges would increase by $4M.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

There are a special set of rules that have been put in place to regulate this uncapped season. PFT gets a bad rap for the rumors on here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:52 AM


Brownwood,

Here's the NFL Collective Bargaining Agreement. Can you find me the "special rules for uncapped year"?

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/cba/nfl-cba-2006-2012.pdf

And, it's not PFT that gets a bad rap up here. It's BeantownGreg.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman, getting Brackett would be insane...he plays in a Tampa 2, almost the antithesis of what we'll be running here. Having two undersized ILBs in a 3-4 is beyond nuts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 9:43 AM

I read one article where a former coach was talking about the 3/4, saying you needed those bigger tweeners at OLB, but guys on the inside didn't have to be as big.

What about moving a guy like Chris Wilson to ILB? What is it about LBs in a 3/4? Do they have to be better at shedding blocks? Do they blitz more? Obviously a guy like Orakpo, playing OLB in a 3/4, would line up with his hand in the dirt sometimes. And would blitz a lot anyhow. But LBs still gotta cover TEs and RBs and even slot receivers sometimes. I watch Fletcher and he seems like a master at not just shedding blocks, but avoiding them altogether, taking just the right angle and so forth. But he's playing a 4/3.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Well, most of us don't go to the games anyway but watch them on TV. I could care less how much beer, parking, and tickets cost -- that's dcseen's money, not mine. Maybe I'll have to watch a few more commercials, but if they're beer commercials with hot chicks it's a small price to pay.

As far as the small market teams, they could care less about the salary CAP. Their problem is the salary FLOOR that REQUIRES them to spend at least 84% of the CAP. With the floor gone, they will cut their payrolls.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 9:55 AM
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I think the at-home viewers are eventually going to get screwed as well. Imagine every NFL game being pay-per-view. I don't think we're too far away from that and if the spending increases, it will just happen sooner.

As far as the small market teams, if they can't afford to pay out what the big boys pay out, then they lose. I am not an avid baseball fan, but don't the big market teams kind of dominate there because there is no cap? It works great if you are rooting for the Yanks or that sucky team up Boston way, but the Tigers fans get screwed...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Here's some of the stuff I'm talking about with the uncapped year...from Don Banks of SI.com back in March:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/03/23/nfl.meetings/index.html


Here's a key excerpt for those who won't read the whole thing:

"This season, a player's base salary can't increase more than 30 percent from one year to the next, which restricts a team's ability to award a contract that includes a huge 2009 raise in anticipation of no salary cap in 2010."

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The draft will go
#1 Bradford
#2 Okung
#3 McSuh
#4 F#@ked irregardless if we stay here

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | March 2, 2010 9:01 AM

Corrected.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood - I'd love to find our own guy in the draft... but our picks our limited and our RB corps is limited. I'd love to be able to trade out of #4 and get a Spiller/Best to go with 2 lineman in the top 37, but if that wasn't to work I don't think Sproles is a bad option.

Although Sproles will be signed by someone before the draft.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 2, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

LS agreed,

F going to the games as long as beer prices don't go up and my local beer store I'm good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse
Gee, RSH, I'm a little short this morning. How do I go make a withdrawal?

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

What I'm saying, RSH, is that the FO has to make decisions on ticket price, beer prices, etc, based on market conditions. They want to keep prices competitive, so fans will continue to show up on gameday. Dan S has consistently made an effort, however misguided, to put the best players on the field. Now, with a good FO and coach, maybe we can see the benefits of that effort. And if FO sees someone in FA that will help us win, I'm all for spending the money. HTTR

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead,

Your crazy if you think NFL games will ever cost money to watch on TV.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Good explanation on the front loading. A little surprising. Usually a team wants to amortize the signing bonus because they're worried about this year's cap. Here the NFL in some cases force a team to spread it out. Could this be to ensure a team spends the minimum without giving too large amount to just a couple of players?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Can’t a team just front-load a contract to take advantage of the uncapped year?
No, this would be difficult to do. That is because, according to the CBA, any salary decrease of greater than 50% from one year to the next becomes signing bonus and thus is spread out over the life of the deal. For example, if the Patriots signed Vince Wilfork to a deal with a $20M salary in 2010 (uncapped) and a $4M salary in 2011 (capped), then that is a decrease of more than 50% ($10M), that $16M difference would become signing bonus and pro-rated over the life of the deal; if it was a four-year deal, then it would count as $4M/year, so the 2010 cap charge would reduce to $8M ($20M - $16M + $4M), and the 2011-2013 charges would increase by $4M.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse
OK. To pay Wilfold $20 mil over 4 years, make contract for 2010 $7.999 mil, then $4 mil for remaining 3 years. That's what I'm referring to about front loading. Stay within the rules, but put as much as possible in 2010.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Your crazy if you think NFL games will ever cost money to watch on TV.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:05 AM

Ever hear of NFL Sunday Ticket?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

And, it's not PFT that gets a bad rap up here. It's BeantownGreg.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse
I would never give BTG a bad rap. PFT just reports lots of rumors, and BTG is able to dig those rumors out more efficiently than most of us. Kudos to BTG.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Ever hear of NFL Sunday Ticket?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:07 AM |

Of course and it has nothing to do with what were talking about, that is a choice made by people who want to see all the games. Those people could watch games free in there area.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I am not an avid baseball fan, but don't the big market teams kind of dominate there because there is no cap?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM

As a fan of a big market team, I sure hope so. Screw Jacksonville, Green Bay, St. Louis, and New Orleans. Just screw 'em.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"This season, a player's base salary can't increase more than 30 percent from one year to the next, which restricts a team's ability to award a contract that includes a huge 2009 raise in anticipation of no salary cap in 2010."

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:01 AM

Of course, Peppers made 18M last year. And Manning is said to maybe sign for 25M per.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I am not an avid baseball fan, but don't the big market teams kind of dominate there because there is no cap?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 10:00 AM

As a fan of a big market team, I sure hope so. Screw Jacksonville, Green Bay, St. Louis, and New Orleans. Just screw 'em.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 10:12 AM

If the Redskins become like the Yankees I will lose interest.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Ryp, I get that...but nobody knew who Sproles was until he got his chance to show his stuff. I'm pretty sure he wasn't a top draft pick so it's not outside of the realm of possibility that the guy who took Terrell Davis in the 6th round and made him into a 2,000 yard rusher would be able to get himself a nice 3rd down back in the later rounds this year or the lower reaches of free agency. All I'm saying is going for the top FA RB isn't necessary to fill that need.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

You go around the rules be giving out gaurenteed option bonuses....

Haynesworth is getting a $22Mil Check, minus taxes, in a couple of weeks.......The Redskins know how to front load...And they knew the uncapped year was coming irregardless....why do you think Hayneworth is getting a $22Mil bonus in said uncapped year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins become like the Yankees I will lose interest.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:14 AM


So will a heckuva lot of football fans, dude...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Ever hear of NFL Sunday Ticket?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:07 AM |

Of course and it has nothing to do with what were talking about, that is a choice made by people who want to see all the games. Those people could watch games free in there area.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:10 AM

I think my point is relevant. Remember that the NFL is a corporation, and corporations think the only thing that justifies their existance is to increase revenues. Expanding into Europe and Mexico hasn't really worked for them, and the American market is saturated. Now they are trying to squeeze the NFLPA. They are adding games to the NFL Network that not everybody gets. It's only a matter of time before the NFL on TV costs you more than your basic cable package.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

why do you think Hayneworth is getting a $22Mil bonus in said uncapped year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:15 AM

With Vinny as GM? It was random.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Pittsburgh Steelers offensive guard Darnell Stapleton shouldn't be expecting a restricted free agent tender.

According to Scout.com, Stapleton won't be given a tender offer.

Stapleton, 24, is a former undrafted free agent who started a dozen games in 2008.

However, he was sidelined all of last season with a knee injury.

Per the report, Stapleton is expected to have some opportunities in free agency.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark anyone? Comes from Dick LeBeau's Defense. And that's what HAslett is trying to model his Defense after.

New Regime....I think it can happen...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

We'll see 4th...people hear "uncapped year" and think sky's the limit, the point is there's going to be a lot less FA activity than most people think. Folks in and around the league have been saying that for over a year now.

My overwhelming hope is that the Skins don't try to break rank again and go nuts in the spending. I can't think of a more disheartening outcome...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark anyone? Comes from Dick LeBeau's Defense. And that's what HAslett is trying to model his Defense after.

New Regime....I think it can happen...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Will-Steelers-Clark-generate-interest-in-FA-5155.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

You go around the rules be giving out gaurenteed option bonuses....

Haynesworth is getting a $22Mil Check, minus taxes, in a couple of weeks.......The Redskins know how to front load...And they knew the uncapped year was coming irregardless....why do you think Hayneworth is getting a $22Mil bonus in said uncapped year?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

4th, that bonus is amortized(spread over remaining years of contract). So it doesn't all fall in 2010.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Sproles is a young 27 for a RB. He's only had 199 career rushes and 87 career receptions. Yahoo doesn't show his return stats.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Your crazy if you think NFL games will ever cost money to watch on TV.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:05 AM

Ever hear of NFL Sunday Ticket?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:07 AM
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Yes, they're inching us to it. And when the day finally comes, the fans will pay.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark anyone? Comes from Dick LeBeau's Defense. And that's what HAslett is trying to model his Defense after.

New Regime....I think it can happen...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Will-Steelers-Clark-generate-interest-in-FA-5155.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:24 AM

I heard on NFLN Clark wants to be one of the highest paid FS in the league. I'm not sure he's worth all that.

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I think my point is relevant. Remember that the NFL is a corporation, and corporations think the only thing that justifies their existance is to increase revenues. Expanding into Europe and Mexico hasn't really worked for them, and the American market is saturated. Now they are trying to squeeze the NFLPA. They are adding games to the NFL Network that not everybody gets. It's only a matter of time before the NFL on TV costs you more than your basic cable package.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

if your talking about requiring a premium subscription to view NFL games then I doubt it.

reducing exposure and the number people with access to your sport would be a terrible idea.

If I'm commissioner of NBA, NHL, or MLB, I dream of the day when NFL charges more for TV coverage.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 2, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It seems the one thing that needs to be fixed is rookie contracts. Four years is too long to be tied up, and the $$ the top rookies get is too much. Aside from that, if they don't come to an agreement they're in danger of football becoming like baseball and basketball. They could ruin the sport. The NFL is all I have left.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 2, 2010 9:48 AM

I agree with a rookie wage scale. The rookie salaries are ridiculous and actually in a way create perennial losers. The salaries prevent teams in the top 5 from executing trades, building a complete 53 man roster, and a bust can set a team back several years.

Although I still think that a drafting team should own the players rights for 3-5 years and those that would perform at a high level would be eligible for FA at 24-27 yrs and then could get paid accordingly.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

4th, that bonus is amortized(spread over remaining years of contract). So it doesn't all fall in 2010.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 2, 2010 10:25 AM

Huh?? It's an Option Bonus. Those are not amortized until you convert it into a signing bonus. If they came to an agreement, than the option bonus would have been converted and amortized.

But since there is no cap, there is no reason to convert it. So, technically, the whole $22 Mil would count against a cap if we had one this year.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I agree with a rookie wage scale. The rookie salaries are ridiculous and actually in a way create perennial losers. The salaries prevent teams in the top 5 from executing trades, building a complete 53 man roster, and a bust can set a team back several years.

Although I still think that a drafting team should own the players rights for 3-5 years and those that would perform at a high level would be eligible for FA at 24-27 yrs and then could get paid accordingly.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2010 10:39 AM
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I agree. A multi-million dollar rookie salary is a heckuva risk. It would be nice also if the NFL could make a portion of rookie pay go to some fund that they can't get their hands on until they are older - like deferred income or a retirement fund. It's heartbreaking to see some of these kids blow $10.0 million signing bonuses on wine, women and song and have nothing to show for it when they get cut by their team after three years. It might help with some of their disciplinary issues as well. They are giving a lot of money to 21 & 22 year old kids, and I just know where my head was when I was that age. Someone has to save them from themselves...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 2, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I heard on NFLN Clark wants to be one of the highest paid FS in the league. I'm not sure he's worth all that.

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2010 10:35 AM

No. He's good, not great. He also had the benefit of playing beside two of the best safties in the last 15 years.

There is still a Ryan Clark size divot where LT stiff armed him into the grass at Fed ex to beat us. We need to find our own guys, and when we find them, keep them.

I'd take Rolle over him.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 2, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

My overwhelming hope is that the Skins don't try to break rank again and go nuts in the spending. I can't think of a more disheartening outcome...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:24 AM

Everyone has a gameplan with a budget. The problem is we never know what it is. But that stems from the fact we really don't know how much revenue Danny is bringing in.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The problem is we never know what it is. But that stems from the fact we really don't know how much revenue Danny is bringing in.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:47 AM

Or how much he's spending. That has gone up, big time, now that he's paying Allen instead of Cerrato and Shanahan .... in addition to Zorn. Ouch.

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Berry out-runs Haden at combine
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 2, 2010 10:48 AM ET
The defensive backs are running Tuesday morning at the NFL scouting combine, and the top two players in the position group had very different results in the 40-yard dash.

Tennessee's Eric Berry is in the process of solidifying his status as the top safety prospect with a good workout that included 40 times of 4.46 and 4.40 seconds. But Florida's Joe Haden, who entered the combine widely regarded as the top cornerback prospect, ran disappointing times of 4.57 and 4.60 seconds.

Those 40 times are unofficial, and unofficial times deserve plenty of scrutiny. But while we have Berry going fourth overall and Haden going fifth in our mock draft, Berry looked a lot more like a Top 5 pick on Tuesday morning than Haden did.

NFL Network analyst Deion Sanders, who knows a little something about playing defensive back and about running fast 40-yard dashes, said Haden looked uncomfortable from the beginning and even suggested that Haden might be getting some coaching that has made him self-conscious about his running technique.

"First of all, it was a horrible stance," Sanders said of Haden. "I don't know what he's being taught -- sometimes you've just got to let a guy run. Tweak him a little bit but don't try to change everything."

Sanders is right: When wearing a helmet and shoulder pads, Haden looks like a guy who has all the speed he needs. But when wearing his underwear Tuesday morning, Haden didn't look like an elite prospect.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 2, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

LOL I doubt Kiper has 'fans'. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2010 8:21 AM

Around the headquarters of the Hair Club for Men, he is revered as the Chosen One.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

I heard on NFLN Clark wants to be one of the highest paid FS in the league. I'm not sure he's worth all that.

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2010 10:35 AM

I assume that whichever team signs him will pre-negotiate the refund rates for games scheduled to be played in Denver.

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

LOL I doubt Kiper has 'fans'. ...

Posted by: Samson151 | March 2, 2010 8:21 AM

He's the voice of the Old Ballamer....How it use to be....When a crab cakes only cost a nickel and the Colts were the toast of the town....

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

But that stems from the fact we really don't know how much revenue Danny is bringing in ...

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 10:47 AM

From the advertising bombardment imposed at FedEx field, I suspect that the gross is massive, maybe even better than Dallas, but I'm also thinking that his net is much much lower by comparison (and that a huge check of the gross goes to debt service).

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

4th, my thing is spending a bunch of cash on FAs is not only expensive, it's counterproductive. There's no substitute for elite coaching and building thru the draft. That's how you win in this league, period. If the Skins get a couple of name guys at good deals, then great. But if this offseason is about parading big-name players thru Redskins Park at record prices, then it's lather, rinse, repeat (to borrow Greg's line) on the last 10 years.

I see promise and I see hope in the Allen/Shanahan regime. But all of that is fool's gold if the Skins are just another offseason ATM machine for FAs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

It's big enough to pay HAynesworth this year $25+Mil total.......

Is there a Redskins Bubble we might know about?

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Any takers on Jahri?
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Jahri Evans | Saints
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There are several teams in need of some major help on the offensive line, and the talent on the unrestricted free agent list is not anything fantastic. Amongst the 212 players who would have been hitting that list, but instead are restricted free agents, is guard Jahri Evans, upon whom the New Orleans Saints have placed the high RFA tender.

In order to pry Evans away, an interested suitor must either reach a trade agreement with the Saints, or offer up a contract to Evans that is too high for them to feasibly match; if this second outcome occurs, the new team must give the Saints a first and third round draft pick. Still, it's possible that a team desperate enough for help on the O-line would explore this option.
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What about sending Carlos to the Saints to reunite him with GG, they need a corner, we need a guard.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

My overwhelming hope is that the Skins don't try to break rank again and go nuts in the spending. I can't think of a more disheartening outcome...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 10:24 AM


The feeling I get from this FO is that they will be aggressive going after the best players that fit their scheme, which IMO is different from what has been done in the past. There was no rhyme nor reason as to why certain players were selected. I also, feel that Allen is very good managing the cap and will have a budget in place with a 2011 or 2012 cap in place. The Skins should have at least a 20% turnover of its roster this offseason, and the majority of that will likely be FAs.

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's a combonation of daft, undrafted players, trades, Comfort level, and Free Agency.

We never won those 3 out of 5 SBs off of Draft alone. The Future is now (George Allen). Gibbs only had one 1st round pick. Allen had none. Allen went to the SB with the Over the Hill Gang. Gibbs went to the SB wit a CFL QB, A Old Black QB on his last shot, and a 12th Round QB.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

What about sending Carlos to the Saints to reunite him with GG, they need a corner, we need a guard.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2010 11:10 AM

Yeah, Williams is down there right now, having eaten six bowls of andouille gumbo, saying "Get me Carlos Rodgers and I'll get our second Lombardi. Can't tell you how much we need double-move." [Jack, your post was sarcasm, right?]

Posted by: League-Source | March 2, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What about sending Carlos to the Saints to reunite him with GG, they need a corner, we need a guard.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 2, 2010 11:10 AM


And then we would need a corner. I dont think Tryon or Barnes is ready to start yet. Stone hands isnt a great corner but he is decent.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 2, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

beep beep means new thread

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

beep beep means new thread

Posted by: dcsween | March 2, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

The Skins should have at least a 20% turnover of its roster this offseason, and the majority of that will likely be FAs.

Posted by: TWISI | March 2, 2010 11:12 AM


I'm fine with turnover this year and even into next year...it how we fill those holes that concerns me.

I'm not saying don't use FA...I'm just saying use it judiciously. Taking a few mid-level guys and getting production out of this year's draft class is important going into 2010. I just hate that some feel like we need to fill EVERY hole in 2010...if this team builds right, that ain't gonna happen.

We should have a full complement of picks in 2011...another chance to build up the roster.

I believe the saying is, "customize your roster in the draft, accessorize it in free agency". The Skins have been doing it backward for years and I'm just anxious to see that change.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 2, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I keep reading many of you suggesting that the Redskins should spend and overpay for top free agents to fill needs. Why don't we look at the top organizations in the league and how they approach player personnel decisions. The Steelers, Patriots, Colts, Eagles among others. They tend to draft well, develop players well and let them go when they get too expensive or overvalued. You have to start building a culture and developing players. If we keep bringing in high priced free agents, that come from different teams with different cultures, we'll never have our own consistent culture. It used to be that FA's wanted to come to Washington to have a chance to win. At some point we have to trade what we can for picks, and start building. Once you get close, then you make a few key, selective FA acquisitions. We need to acquire picks and use them wisely. I would hate to lose for a few years, but if we have a chance to have a nice 10-12 year run, I'd rather sacrifice now.

Posted by: mj25 | March 2, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's the deal we should pursue the Browns and trade our #4 draft pick for their 7th pick and 2nd round =#38. plus late round maybe 6 or 7. Then we have the 7th our 37th, their 38th. We get the Left Tackle we need at #4 and Pike QB at 37 and a Right Guard?? 38 = a strong starting O-line Hogs II Baby. Pike learns from Kyle S. two years Franchise QB this could be a good solution.

Posted by: MPWTIAN | March 2, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Why do the Browns make that trade? To help out the Redskins?

Posted by: coparker5 | March 2, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

i dnt think we should get bradford or jimmy we should get the top ol in for the 4th pick and we should get the sleeper qb in jerret brown he had a wonderful combine has a deep arm and accuracy is incredible and has speed like a mike vick

Posted by: scoob | March 4, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

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