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Sam Bradford's Pro Day today may solidify the top of the NFL Draft

The top of the NFL Draft could largely be decided today.

Quarterback Sam Bradford's Pro Day begins at noon in Norman, Okla. If he throws well, it could make him a near-lock for the No. 1 spot of next month's draft. If Bradford shows no ill effects from shoulder surgery, it'd be difficult for the quarterback-starved St. Louis Rams to pass on him. But several other teams are expected to be onhand, including the Redskins.

Bradford underwent shoulder surgery five months ago and did not throw at the NFL scouting combine earlier this month. He was poked and prodded by medical personnel in Indianapolis, though, and by all accounts, his shoulder appears to be medically sound. His performance at the Pro Day is expected to serve as a validation of sorts.

(Bradford's surgery last October was performed by Dr. James Andrews, so Washington should have a pretty good handle on how what kind of shape that shoulder is in.)

The Redskins' first-round pick is obviously dependent on what the Rams decide to do. We've been talking to league sources since well before the combine and right now it seems there are three players the Redskins covet more than others: Bradford, quarterback Jimmy Clausen and left tackle Russell Okung. If Washington holds onto its No. 4 pick, it'd be a surprise if the Redskins select anyone outside of these three. While Okung and Clausen should both be available at No. 4, Bradford is the player they may have no option on.

At his Pro Day, Bradford is expected to throw but won't be lifting or doing any running drills. Away from the field, he'll also meet with coaches and front-office officials from some teams in the next couple of days, including representatives from the Rams.

The Redskins are scheduled to watch Bradford again in a private workout in Norman on April 15, one week before the draft. Coach Mike Shanahan said he expects to personally watch four or five quarterback prospects throw before the draft. A private workout hasn't been scheduled yet with Clausen, though one will likely occur after Clausen's Pro Day, which is set for April 9 in South Bend, Ind.

The Rams have scheduled an April 12 private workout with Bradford, three days before the Redskins roll into town.

By Rick Maese  |  March 29, 2010; 9:00 AM ET
Categories:  Mike Shanahan , NFL Draft  
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Comments

As long as we don't trade up to get the dude....

Posted by: League-Source | March 29, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

i really hope we dont pick clausen

Posted by: 4SkinzForever | March 29, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Who is feeling good today that the Redskins didn't sign he-of-the-recent-DUI, Joey Porter?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 8:51 AM |

Count me in. Incidentally, any of you draft guys know if there's a LB out there worthy of the #4 pick? I'm guessing not, and we've got other priorities, but what about round 2?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 29, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 29, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

At four the Redskins only should have three or four options:

- Draft Bradford
- Draft Okung
- Trade back (if they can)

if they can't

- Draft Berry

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me who "league sources" are? And why would the Redskins top brass share their desired pick with these "sources"???

I find it hard to believe that Shanahan would waste a #4 pick on Clausen but if he does, I will finally give up on the team.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm anxious to see how this Pro Day shapes up...hopefully it goes well and St. Louis takes Bradford 1st.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I also find it weird that if you really wanted a QB, you would wait til the week before the draft to look at him.

Yeah he has shoulder issues, but see him ASAP (as in tomorrow or some other time this week) to see if he fits so you can set the draft board.

Smells like they are doing that for window dressing, keeping peeps off their true target...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me who "league sources" are? And why would the Redskins top brass share their desired pick with these "sources"???

I find it hard to believe that Shanahan would waste a #4 pick on Clausen but if he does, I will finally give up on the team.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 9:14 AM |

Lisa,

They have no clue who the Redskins are considering it's all a bunch of BS so that they can write articles like this.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

brown, agreed, I hope he's LIGHTS out, forces St. Louis's hand at #1. Just con't see the logic of a qb at #4, given the state of this team right now.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 29, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Clausen = Shuler

Will set us back 5 years.

Posted by: zgg0300 | March 29, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Please. Drafting Berry is not one of the options. Any team that drafts 3 first-round safeties within six years of each other is committed to losing. Badly.

It's OK to have a mancrush on Berry -- he's great -- but he's not going to be a Redskin unless Danny wants his overdue jumbotron to only show highlights of the Skins getting beaten.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | March 29, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"I'm down with the Shanny lovers, but if he can't make good, they'll be eating their words. Shanny is new, but he ain't Jesus (until he takes us deep into the playoffs)"


You have to think the Shanny are expecting him to fix the broken redskin offense.

And if he makes the team correct in that aspect, then his tenure will be a 'win'--not a great one, but a victory none the less.

The skins have had poor offense going back to the days of Marty, but have put decent enough defenses on the field.

If the Shanahan's can cull together an offense scheme that scores 21-26 points on the regular with a defense that gets turnovers and raises havoc, we'll get more than just a couple of playoff runs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Buh bye, Lisa. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

I hate Claussen as much as the next guy but there have been MUCH worse guys added to this roster...not exactly cause to turn in the burgundy and gold membership card.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't see Bradford as the de facto #1 to STL. They are in the same position we are in, except they have an ex-pro Bowl QB who is getting killed with coach turnover/ crappy line play/ and quick.. name their top two receivers.

They could have drafted Matt Ryan, and he'd get creamed just like Bulger/Green/whoever else they have back there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted Okung and tried to see if an upright Bulger has anything left in the tank.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"I'm anxious to see how this Pro Day shapes up...hopefully it goes well and St. Louis takes Bradford 1st."


One day some smart agent will get his all clients to eschew pro days at their respective colleges in preference for a talent display day that he can sell the video and media rights to.

Do you think their might be a tv market for folks who'd like to see the top twenty guys in a controlled 'pro day' that's on a network?

Think of it as an elite footballl combine.

I'm wondering why this hasn't happened yet.

'Cuz I'd like to see the Bradford workout myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If the Shanahan's can cull together an offense scheme that scores 21-26 points on the regular with a defense that gets turnovers and raises havoc, we'll get more than just a couple of playoff runs.
Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:21 AM

Yeah, yuh gotta expect that this offense is going to be the focus and Shanahan is going to have to be practical about balancing short term gains with the idea that this is a 2 to 3 year rebuilding process. That is why I think we are not likely to jump into the 3-4 soon because we just don't have the resources to make it more effective than the 4-3 in 2010.
If we can run the ball and get recievers open enough that even campbell can hit them, next season will be a good start and the future will be bright.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The only time I was ever able to pull for Duke was when Grant Hill was there, and that's only because I went to high school with him at South Lakes.

There wasn't really much of a rivalry between Duke and Maryland at the time.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

To the Clausen people: We couldn't afford to take him even if we thought he was worth the 4th overall pick.

To the anti-Clausen people: RELAX. Would you bring in a 22-yr-old qb into a new system just to get him pummeled by osi Umenyiora and demarcus ware...has this season taught you nothing? Drafting Clausen would be an invitation to have everyone in washington hate you.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

monkeymayonaise

"If we can run the ball and get recievers open enough that even Campbell can hit them,..."


I don't think Campbell will be with the team next year.

I still got my money in the 'Campbell will be a draft day trade' pool as you have to admit that in the eyes of the Shanahans, he and Rex Grossman are equal--and Rex knows the offense.

Plus, the team could use another 3rd or 4th round pick, and if moving Campbell guarantees this, why not?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

To the anti-Clausen people: RELAX. Would you bring in a 22-yr-old qb into a new system just to get him pummeled by osi Umenyiora and demarcus ware...has this season taught you nothing? Drafting Clausen would be an invitation to have everyone in washington hate you.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Clausen person. But I will say that the team probably wouldn't shy away from taking a QB with #4 if they think they can get a starting caliber LT in the 2nd round. In this draft, it's very possible that a scenario like that could happen.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

For all those who are threatening to leave Redskins Nation if they draft Claussen...you are IDIOTS!


For all of the personnel moves over the last 10 years, Jimmy Clausen is your Waterloo?

....at least give me Adam Archuleta, T.J. Duckett, Brandon Lloyd, Antonio Pierce...

As Chris Carter would say....

"C'mon Man!"

Posted by: rickyroge | March 29, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Real fans cant quit on the team. It is in your blood, your addiction.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 29, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree with MistaMoe...and dfbovey...

Wouldn't be surprised of Campbell gets dealt on draft day...Skins could get a quality LT on draft day.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 29, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

So we don't like the QB's that are going to be there @ #4 most likely...

... So what are our other options there; specifically O Line?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Which ever way Bradford performs should leave the Redskins out.. If Bradford performs well the Rams will grab him.. If Bradford doesn't to the point the Rams don't want him why should the Redskins want him only 3 picks later??? What Bradford affects is who's available for the Skins.. if Bradford is out do they pick Clausen?? If Rams pick Suh doesn't that almost make the Lions have to pick Okung? It's best for the Skins if Bradford looks great... And I still think the Skins have to pick Clausen if Shanahan believes he can be a franchise QB...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 29, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

To the anti-Clausen people: RELAX. Would you bring in a 22-yr-old qb into a new system just to get him pummeled by osi Umenyiora and demarcus ware...has this season taught you nothing? Drafting Clausen would be an invitation to have everyone in washington hate you.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:37 AM |

First of all if Shanny did'nt do something because the fans thought it was a bad idea he should be run out of town. Fans don't know sh_t about football or who will and wont be good players. We can come on here and give opinions but thats all they are, none of us really know what were talking about.

If Shanny drafts Claussen then I will assume that he knows what his doing, if Claussen doesn't work out then Shanny will take a lot of heat.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I just don't understand all the hype surrounding Bradford. I think he was a good college quarterback but not even close to Safford or Sanchez in any way shape or form.

Maybe the Skins are just throwing everyone off so that they ensure they get who they really covet. If you think about it the one name you do not overwhelmingly hear from any Redskin official is the left tackle Okung so that's the hint he is their guy

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 29, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Uh...why would the fact that Dr. Andrews performed the surgery mean that Washington has a good handle on Bradford's shoulder?

Is the implication that someone from the Redskins is talking to James Andrews about the medical treatment of one of his patients? That seems a little iffy; if not outright illegal without Bradford's consent.

Posted by: CByrd1 | March 29, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ok Ok Ok, here is how I think shanny is looking at this. Like any strategic plan you need to maximize benefit throughout the scope and timeline of the plan. Campbell is a mediocre qb, but what piece of the puzzle do you put in place first with the resources you have. Is there a better qb veteran out there now? For a little while I thought we might take a qb at 4 because, when are we gonna have a pick this high again to get a franchise qb? But the real kicker is in the conservative philosophy which is: as a coach do you want thousands of people to turn on you because you just went 6-10 after all the high hopes?
Optimum situation: we market ourselves like we might want suh, clausen so teams will give up more to us for our pick...we trade down and fill needs or get that tackle.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me who "league sources" are? And why would the Redskins top brass share their desired pick with these "sources"???

I find it hard to believe that Shanahan would waste a #4 pick on Clausen but if he does, I will finally give up on the team.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 9:14 AM
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Who are you kidding? If you stuck with the Redskins through the circus of last season, there's no way you are leaving because of them picking a knockity kneed QB from Notre Dame. That's probably not even in the top 100 list of bad things the Redskins could do this off season. I'm not a Clausen fan, but he's not the anti-christ.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Plus, the team could use another 3rd or 4th round pick, and if moving Campbell guarantees this, why not?

Just don't see the logic behind this, I really don't....putting Grossman at qb, is essentially conceding the 2010 season. I just don't see that happening.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | March 29, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Please. Drafting Berry is not one of the options. Any team that drafts 3 first-round safeties within six years of each other is committed to losing. Badly.

It's OK to have a mancrush on Berry -- he's great -- but he's not going to be a Redskin unless Danny wants his overdue jumbotron to only show highlights of the Skins getting beaten.

Posted by: diesel_skins_

Okay, so....

What are their options since you're so sure that Berry isn't one of them.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Uh...why would the fact that Dr. Andrews performed the surgery mean that Washington has a good handle on Bradford's shoulder?

Is the implication that someone from the Redskins is talking to James Andrews about the medical treatment of one of his patients? That seems a little iffy; if not outright illegal without Bradford's consent.

Posted by: CByrd1 | March 29, 2010 9:52 AM |

Andrews is the Skins team doctor.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

RSH - you are right. The anti-christ is Tebow

Posted by: 4SkinzForever | March 29, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge

"For all those who are threatening to leave Redskins Nation if they draft Claussen...you are IDIOTS!"

I'd say the fanbase is still dealing with the after effects of the Cerrato years where what seemed like a good idea in April was--until August came.

M Shanahan is respected enough to be trusted if he says, "I want J Claussen/Bradford/Tebow because I think I can tutor the kid and make him a great NFL quarterback."

We may not agree with the decisions, but we have to give the new FO team a shot and some trust when they make them.

As for me, I'll always be a redskins' fan.

"Bandwagon" is not a word in my dictionary, so I don't ever jump on or off one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

skins need to get a 3rd rnd pick for jevan snead.. He was the 5th round sleeper a month ago.. Who knows, by draft day, he could be a 2nd as his workouts continue to impress.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey MistaMoe |are you smoking crack? You think Campbell and rex Grossman are equals? LMFAO....Dude you have a ZERO football IQ

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 29, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

i tend to take shanny at his word, and not read into anything.

He said he wants to see what JC can do in his system, and Rex knows it... so that would mean both in competition during training camp, way after the draft.

he has not said anything about drafting a QB, just the stories from 'people' who say he really wants a franchise QB.

He thinks CP and LJ will make a good RB tandem, so I doubt we will draft a RB high.

I look at the fact we have brought in LB, OL, and DL... that is where our first pick will be. and 2nd as well.

Speculators can speculate, but shanny doesnt tip his hand or pay lip service... so what you see or hear is what you can expect.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Campbell will be with the team next year.

I still got my money in the 'Campbell will be a draft day trade' pool as you have to admit that in the eyes of the Shanahans, he and Rex Grossman are equal--and Rex knows the offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:43 AM

I'll take your money on that bet. Campbell and Grossman may be equal in the eyes of the Shanahans for the moment, but both have question marks going into the new season. Additionally Grossman has a history of being injured ("Rex Glassman"), and I seriously doubt he could withstand the type of beating Campbell took last year.

I think both will get an honest evaluation on the field of play by the Shanahans... and the best QB will win.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"Can someone please tell me who "league sources" are? And why would the Redskins top brass share their desired pick with these "sources"???"

League sources are Reid's gossip circle of journalists who talk to peripheral people (scouts and publicity dorks).

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

... So what are our other options there; specifically O Line?

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Russell Okung if the Lions don't take him at #2. Bulaga is the next best tackle in the draft behind Okung but I'd prefer a trade down if they don't land either Bradford or Okung.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey MistaMoe |are you smoking crack? You think Campbell and rex Grossman are equals?

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 29, 2010 9:57 AM
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I'd say its close.. Grossman took a team to the Superbowl and knows Shanny jr's playbook. If their preseason performances are equal.. I'd see Grossman starting for reasons of the playbook which has always been JC's achilles.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"Fat rats on junk food would rather starve than eat healthy, Scripps Florida study suggests"

In a study that compares cupcakes and cookies to cocaine, scientists at Scripps Florida say rats fed a diet of junk food grew addicted to high-calorie, high-fat fare.

The fat rats became so hooked on junk food that when researchers took away the bad stuff and replaced it with healthy food, the rodents chose to starve themselves.


So now we get the reasons behind mistamayor's philosophy for delivering threads: very little real news wrapped up in the context of fluff and hyperbole.

And we are all hooked.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Not too worried about the draft...

The only way stuff gets interesting for us is if the Lions take Okung at #2. If that happens, we try to trade back or go best available at #4. That scenario would include some good dudes on the board -- maybe Suh or McCoy, Berry, etc.

Anyway you cut it, we should be improved after our first round pick.

Posted by: mattylight | March 29, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Who is feeling good today that the Redskins didn't sign he-of-the-recent-DUI, Joey Porter?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 29, 2010 8:51 AM |

Count me in. Incidentally, any of you draft guys know if there's a LB out there worthy of the #4 pick? I'm guessing not, and we've got other priorities, but what about round 2?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 29, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | March 29, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Rolando McClain and some dude out of Florida, can't remember his name. I doubt we'll pick up any LBs in the draft, maybe one.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | March 29, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

flounder,

andrews is many teams doctor

Posted by: Zeebs | March 29, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Hey MistaMoe |are you smoking crack? You think Campbell and rex Grossman are equals?

Posted by: BeatDontStop

Yeah, but like the best crack there is.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Hey...are you smoking crack? You think Campbell and rex Grossman are equals?"


No, but let's kill the Rex Hate: dude lead a team with a strong defense, good special teams, and running game to the Super Bowl.

Jason Campbell hasn't.

Campbell hasn't even won a playoff game.

And he doesn't know Shanny's playbook and Rex does.

So you're right to say they aren't equal.

And wrong to suggest I'd smoke anything but your weak argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Campbell is Grossman minus the slinger mentality.

As bad as we all think Grossman is, he did QB the Bears to the bowl. We all know that was in large due to the Defense, but you still have to know a little something to get that far.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

BERRY #4

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The third Lighty brother has returned!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

To the anti-Clausen people: RELAX. Would you bring in a 22-yr-old qb into a new system just to get him pummeled by osi Umenyiora and demarcus ware...has this season taught you nothing? Drafting Clausen would be an invitation to have everyone in washington hate you.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Clausen person. But I will say that the team probably wouldn't shy away from taking a QB with #4 if they think they can get a starting caliber LT in the 2nd round. In this draft, it's very possible that a scenario like that could happen.
Posted by: dfbovey
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I concur.. Teams are allowed to bring in more than one player at a time. Drafting Clausen doesn't mean the Skins won't improve the OL in the second round, later rounds and in FA. Besides a Clausen draft has much more to do with the next 10 YEARS than this year... The Skins were 4-12 we are rebuilding.. you start with a head coach and a franchise QB.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 29, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

As bad as we all think Grossman is, he did QB the Bears to the bowl. We all know that was in large due to the Defense, but you still have to know a little something to get that far.

Posted by: RedDMV

Great, so we can say he is like say chris redman? Woo-hoo!
All's I gotta say is we better have a pretty danm good defense.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

You may know him as Sexy Rexy (per Steve Spurrier), but others know him as "Wrecks Grossman", "Rex Glassman", "Interceptosaurus Rex" and "Gross Rexman".

He was along for the ride with the Bears.

I look forward to results of the Skins QB competition.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Re: Options @ #4.

You look at who is going to make the biggest difference on your roster. Regardless of your opinion of Campbell, it would be hard to argue that Okung would not make LJ, CP, and JC all better than having Scrub X at LT.

Would Bradford/Clausen make the Oline/LJ/CP/Moss, etc better? I don't think so.

A talent like Berry could make LL stronger, and provide some much needed range over the top of our CBs. In terms of unit improvement, Berry makes sense.

Additionally, a Suh/McCoy pickup just might make our front 4 so beastly that our entire defense jumps up a notch.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

To the anti-Clausen people: RELAX. Would you bring in a 22-yr-old qb into a new system just to get him pummeled by osi Umenyiora and demarcus ware...has this season taught you nothing? Drafting Clausen would be an invitation to have everyone in washington hate you.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Clausen person. But I will say that the team probably wouldn't shy away from taking a QB with #4 if they think they can get a starting caliber LT in the 2nd round. In this draft, it's very possible that a scenario like that could happen.
Posted by: dfbovey
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I concur.. Teams are allowed to bring in more than one player at a time. Drafting Clausen doesn't mean the Skins won't improve the OL in the second round, later rounds and in FA. Besides a Clausen draft has much more to do with the next 10 YEARS than this year... The Skins were 4-12 we are rebuilding.. you start with a head coach and a franchise QB.

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I hope all of y'all post on draft day; only way we grab a qb in the first rnd is if we trade down.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Still arguing over who should play quarterback during a rebuilding season.

Yawn.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 29, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Grossman got the bears to the SB on D and a good run game. He put up worse number that year than Campbell did in last years 4-12 campaign.

Which is why people disliked the skins being a pass first team. I bet if you put Campbell on that bears team they would have still gone to the bowl.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I like "Interceptosaurus Rex".

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

alan4

"I look forward to results of the Skins' QB competition."


What I find interesting is that J Campbell has to 'compete' for his job whereas a regulary no practicing out of shape C Portis does not.

Campbell produced 3,600 yards behind a porous line with developing receivers, took a seious beating, but he has to somehow show he is worthy of starting.

If I'm him, I'm thinking, "WTF?"

"Lemma outta here!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Campbell will be with the team next year.

I still got my money in the 'Campbell will be a draft day trade' pool as you have to admit that in the eyes of the Shanahans, he and Rex Grossman are equal--and Rex knows the offense.

Plus, the team could use another 3rd or 4th round pick, and if moving Campbell guarantees this, why not?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

He may or may not be with the team next season, but I don't think that he'll be traded on draft day, even if the 'Skins take a QB with one of their first two picks (which I think they will). The reason is that I don't think they will want to go into camp with their only choices for starter being a rookie who may not be ready, Grossman, who was a human turnover machine in Chicago, and two other guys with no real NFL experience, Brennan and Richard Bartel. My take on it is that the 4 QBs going into camp will be Campbell, Grossman, Draft Pick X, and either Brennan or Bartel.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 29, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I hope all of y'all post on draft day; only way we grab a qb in the first rnd is if we trade down.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Pretty weird thing to say. Why wouldn't I post here on draft day or any other day?

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Some good post-draft suspects at OLB include ADRIAN TRACY DE William and Mary, ARTHUR MOATS DE James Madison, and JARVIS GEATHERS, OLB Central Florida.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry there is ZERO way that you're an absolute scrub and still remain the starting QB on a super bowl team.

You have to be somewhat decent.


People cringed when they signed Grossman because they remember those picks he'd throw.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Re: Options @ #4.

You look at who is going to make the biggest difference on your roster. Regardless of your opinion of Campbell, it would be hard to argue that Okung would not make LJ, CP, and JC all better than having Scrub X at LT.

Would Bradford/Clausen make the Oline/LJ/CP/Moss, etc better? I don't think so.

A talent like Berry could make LL stronger, and provide some much needed range over the top of our CBs. In terms of unit improvement, Berry makes sense.

Additionally, a Suh/McCoy pickup just might make our front 4 so beastly that our entire defense jumps up a notch.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Exactly. I don't see really how we lose with that pick, unless we gamble with a QB. Now granted, Bradford and/or Clausen might turn out to be really good, but if Bradford's gone at 4, we're probably picking from a pool that includes the likes of Okung or Suh or McCoy or Berry. If one of those guys slips to us, maybe someone gets desperate and gives us a good deal to trade back and pickup a Bulaga from Iowa, who knows. But I think we'll be fine...

Posted by: mattylight | March 29, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

As bad as we all think Grossman is, he did QB the Bears to the bowl. We all know that was in large due to the Defense, but you still have to know a little something to get that far.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM


C'mon Red, you know better than this dude. The Bears probably win the Super Bowl that year if they had even a good QB that year instead of Grossman. He was awful, is awful, and will likely always be awful. Greg is right...going into this season with Rex as the top QB is essentially taking a knee for 2010 and announcing to the world that we're in full blown rebuild mode. Getting rid of a decent QB when you don't have another one is insane.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

As bad as we all think Grossman is, he did QB the Bears to the bowl. We all know that was in large due to the Defense, but you still have to know a little something to get that far.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse


Grossman was terrible. Did you guys ever even watch that team? I doubt it. The Bears made that super bowl despite Rex Grossman. They made that super bowl because of Devin Hester and the defense. Rex had just a hair over a 50% completion rate and was responsible for more turnovers than TDs. Grossman was the #29 ranked QB in 2006. Their defense was ranked #2 and their special teams were ranked #1. The offense was ranked #18. The rushing game was ranked #11th and the passing game was ranked #23. He was by far the weakest link on that team. Saying he QB'd his team to the super bowl is misleading. He merely didn't QB them out of the super bowl. Attributing that super bowl run to Rex Grossman is just plain stupid. That's the very counterexample to use when someone tries to use team record to indicate QB play.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 29, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I like the idea of getting some lower school locals

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

No, but let's kill the Rex Hate: dude lead a team with a strong defense, good special teams, and running game to the Super Bowl.

Jason Campbell hasn't.

Campbell hasn't even won a playoff game.

And he doesn't know Shanny's playbook and Rex does.

So you're right to say they aren't equal.

And wrong to suggest I'd smoke anything but your weak argument.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse
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Rex is a mediocre QB at best who is, I recall, a turn-over machine who was widely derided at the time as the worst QB ever to start a super bowl. Plus, he played horribly in that game, so he only gets small credit for the Bears super bowl run from me. The Bears got to the super bowl b/c of other factors, and despite Rex, not b/c of Rex. There were people who wanted to replace him during that season. His career completion percentage and touchdown to interception ratio stats are nowhere near as good as JC's stats. He'll be a good backup here, but nothing more. JC is a better overall QB than Rex, by far in my book.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | March 29, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I hope all of y'all post on draft day; only way we grab a qb in the first rnd is if we trade down.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Pretty weird thing to say. Why wouldn't I post here on draft day or any other day?

Posted by: dfbovey

I don't know dfbovey...I guess ur blog habits aren't in my area of expertise. I do know we will not draft a qb at four and mostly likely not in the first 3 rnds.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Moe;

I thought LJ was brought in to directly compete with CP?

Posted by: Zeebs | March 29, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Moe, maybe I'm late here, but when was Portis named the starting RB?

Last I heard Shanahan hasn't named any starters at any position.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Neither CAMPBELL nor GROSSMAN are the future of this franchise. I could live with BRADFORD I suppose, but not CLAUSEN. I would say that would be a fatal error, just off what I've see on t.v. and read of course. No, the pros at REDSKINS PARK are gonna' hafta' do the choosing. I can't help them this year, unlike most years.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind people that teams will put out rumors (and become "the league source" themselves) to muddy the waters as to who they are truly intersested in or to get a team behind them to jump up, in a trade,to acquire that player and push other players into their lap.
If the Rams really want Bradford, they will sign him to a contract prior to the draft!! Otherwise, it's all gamesmanship!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Some good post-draft suspects at OLB include ADRIAN TRACY DE William and Mary, ARTHUR MOATS DE James Madison, and JARVIS GEATHERS, OLB Central Florida.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, but we're not scooting for UFL / CFL players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Those of you who would like to watch Bradford's Pro Day can do so on OU's athletics website.

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/archive/01_sooner_football_notebook.html

Enjoy!

Posted by: JustinBraun | March 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry there is ZERO way that you're an absolute scrub and still remain the starting QB on a super bowl team.

You have to be somewhat decent.


People cringed when they signed Grossman because they remember those picks he'd throw.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The reason I cringed when we signed Grossman was for that very reason. My dad is a Bears fan, and Rex made them rip their hair out with his inconsistency and how turnover prone he is. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see him as a real threat to JC. I think they brought Rex in b/c he knows the offense and would be a better plan B than TC...

Posted by: mattylight | March 29, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Im on record as stating that Campbell won't be traded period.

No team is going to want to give up a late first/early 2nd for a one year contract. I've stated before that trading for Campbell only gives you the right to negotiate with him, and he could walk after a year if it pleases him.

The only viable trade route is to ink an extension and then trade, but if JC is worth an extension, then why trade him in the first place?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Still, we must have a top notch LT to replace SAMUELS and it's obvious FA is not going to happen. So if we go Q-back this year and OT next we're flying in the face of the facts that over the next two drafts, the best OT's are in this draft, and the best Q-backs in the next.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Guys on the skins that will be starting somewhere game 1. "Barring trade"
Offense: Cooley, Moss, (maybe Dockery & Davis)
Defense: Mcintosh, Orakpo, Fletcher, Hall, Haynsworth

Other than that I think everyone else is competing for a starting spot.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Saying he QB'd his team to the super bowl is misleading. He merely didn't QB them out of the super bowl. Attributing that super bowl run to Rex Grossman is just plain stupid. That's the very counterexample to use when someone tries to use team record to indicate QB play.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17


PAskins,

He was the starting QB the year they won the super bowl.

Therefor he QB'd them to the super bowl.

I'm not saying that Rex is better than what people give him credit for, but he was the starting QB on a super bowl team.

That has to account for something, regardless of the parts surrounding him.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

We don't think Teh Shan would blindly start his picked QB over one who performed better in pre-season, do we?

I'm fairly optimistic that whoever performs well, Campbell, Rex or Other will get the opportunity to play. All of our QB's shorcomings are widely known. There really isn't much to debate.

It's like picking which flavor turd you'd rather eat...

hahahahahah...maps. [:-\

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

JC is not going to be traded. JC was rated 15th among all of the OBs in the NFL. There is no chance that either Brandford or Clausen would be rated higher in the rankings than JC. Neither rookie QB would play a down of football next season. For that reason alone the Redskins will pick a lineman with the 4th pick. The lineman would possible start next season.

Posted by: jjack1 | March 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, but we're not scooting for UFL / CFL players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 29, 2010 10:27 AM
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didnt bethard successfully poach the CFL for players?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Why all the fuss about a QB at #4???


1) Shanahan is the new coach and any new coach has the right to draft, no matter how high, HIS guy.

2) Campbell is an average QB who needs optimal conditions to succeed...tons of time, wide open receivers and he still is average uder those circumstances.

3) The fact that there has not been a huge demand for Campbell speaks volumes. Why aren't the teams with decent "Olines" calling us about Campbell?

4)You can't lose with the #4 pick...we have many holes...and don't forget we have 5 more picks.

5) Rex Grossman throws picks, but is Campbell that much better than Grossman? I'm sure some "Scooter Computer" will roll out some stats to provie it right or wrong, but I don't think you can say Campbell is better than Grossman.

6)We have very little speed on this team. We don't have one player that is a threat to score anytime he touches the ball.

SICWIDIT...OUT!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, but we're not scooting for UFL / CFL players.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 29, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

You ignore these guys at your peril. The 'SKINS don't have enough picks to draft a LB this year, and they need a great one. That's why PORTER, FOOTE, DANSBY's names have been kicked around both here and other places.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

(Bradford's surgery last October was performed by Dr. James Andrews, so Washington should have a pretty good handle on how what kind of shape that shoulder is in.)

Ever heard of the duty of confidentiality?

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 29, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

No, but let's kill the Rex Hate: dude lead a team with a strong defense, good special teams, and running game to the Super Bowl.

Jason Campbell hasn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse
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Um.. When was the last time JC had an equivalent D, running game, and special teams to that Bears team?

Hester vs... Rock/El?
Bears D vs... Skins in the basement in turnover differential?
Portis vs... Jones?

Well, in a way you could argue that the running game was solid in the first half of '08 - when the team went 6-2 with JC at the helm, so you can't say there isn't potential there.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | March 29, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't know dfbovey...I guess ur blog habits aren't in my area of expertise. I do know we will not draft a qb at four and mostly likely not in the first 3 rnds.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 29, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

People like you crack me up.

Stating your opinion as fact and hoping your right so you can rub it in someone's face on draft day?

The only thing we do know is that the Redskins are going to the pro days of all the major QB prospects and that they will also have private work outs with them before the draft. Which means they are at least entertaining the idea of drafting one of them.

Posted by: dfbovey | March 29, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Nation had a segment last week on the players working out.....Grossman looked a little chubby and non-athletic.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Grossman always looks puffy, I remember when I first saw a picture of him, I was like, "did a bee sting him in the face?"

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Nation had a segment last week on the players working out.....Grossman looked a little chubby and non-athletic.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 29, 2010 10:39 AM
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if he can throw like chubby beer belly sonny jurgensen.. i dont care.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Porter just got a DUI and Resisting arrest.

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

PAskins,

He was the starting QB the year they won the super bowl.

Therefor he QB'd them to the super bowl.

I'm not saying that Rex is better than what people give him credit for, but he was the starting QB on a super bowl team.

That has to account for something, regardless of the parts surrounding him.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

That is incorrect and misleading.

These are two seperate statements:

First Statement - He was the starting QB the year they went to the super bowl.

Second Statement - Rex Grossman QB'd them to the super bowl.

#1 Accurate-The first statement implies that he was the QB for a team that went to the super bowl.

#2 Incorrect-and misleading because it implies that his play at QB led the Bears to the super bowl. It did not. You could correctly say that he QB'd the team that went to the super bowl but you can't correctly say he QB'd the team to the super bowl. Do you see the difference between the 2 statements?

They didn't win the super bowl that year because of his play. He had 2 jobs on that offense.

#1 Do not fumble.
#2 Do not throw interceptions.

In the super bowl he threw 2 picks and fumbled twice. He was terrible. He did nothing more than go along for the ride. It really does count for nothing. It's like trading for Derek Anderson because he made a pro bowl.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | March 29, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

You ignore these guys at your peril. The 'SKINS don't have enough picks to draft a LB this year, and they need a great one. That's why PORTER, FOOTE, DANSBY's names have been kicked around both here and other places.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

If my 'peril' is having a slightly worse practice squad, oh well.

Also, please don't compare guys who have gotten it done in the league to the post draft pick-ups you are advocating.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 29, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Santa Clausen is coming to town. Okung will be gone gone gone

Posted by: jercha | March 29, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Grossman always looks puffy, I remember when I first saw a picture of him, I was like, "did a bee sting him in the face?"

Posted by: alex35332 | March 29, 2010 10:44 AM
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yeah..sorta that Ron Jaworski puffy look.

Now there's a conflict, hated him as a kid when he was the Eagles QB but, love him as an analyst...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

You can put me on record as saying that if you put JC on the '06 Bears at QB, they win the Super Bowl that year. For everyone giving Rex credit for getting that team to the Super Bowl (which is as insane as saying Trent Dilfer "led" the Ravens to their SB win), I give him credit for out-choking Peyton Manning. And history suggests that's pretty hard to do.

JC maybe mediocre, but Rex is just AWFUL...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

draft the left tackle......PLEASE

Posted by: mdoughtie22 | March 29, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

First Statement - He was the starting QB the year they went to the super bowl.

Second Statement - Rex Grossman QB'd them to the super bowl.

#1 Accurate-The first statement implies that he was the QB for a team that went to the super bowl.

#2 Incorrect-and misleading because it implies that his play at QB led the Bears to the super bowl. It did not. You could correctly say that he QB'd the team that went to the super bowl but you can't correctly say he QB'd the team to the super bowl. Do you see the difference between the 2 statements?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17


Damn, PAsemantics17...

Next you'll tell me the difference between flicking a booger and flinging a booger...

C'mon, man. I never said that Grossman led them to the super bowl. Your misinterpretation is based on how you perceived "Rex Grossman QB'd them to the super bowl."

All I'm saying is that he was the QB when the Bears went to the super bowl, and if he's really that bad, I mean like really that bad then that does not happen.

* Rex Grossman plays quarterback.

* Rex Grossman played QB for the Chicago Bears.

* Rex Grossman played QB for the Bears the year they went to the super bowl.

I mean, does a runner run? If so then Quarterback "QBs" a team, right?

If they do, then Grossman's job was to "QB" the Bears on offense.

While he did this they went to the super bowl.

He "QB'd" them to the super bowl.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Clausen is the pick.

If the skins had the first overall pick...

It would be clausen. Don't kid yourself. Mike/Bruce are smarter than those guys in Cleveland, who would gobble Clausen up with their pick.

This is classic Shanny.

Make them think you want Bradford

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 29, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

You can put me on record as saying that if you put JC on the '06 Bears at QB, they win the Super Bowl that year.

ORLY, Brownie? Yeh, put me in the opposite camp there. There are measured large inadequacies in Soup's game that make that claim pretty damn insane.

You're saying that we can't get a 1st rounder for a potential StuporBowel winning QB?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

NEEDS 2010 as of today:

OFFENSE
LT - potential #4 pick, WIL ROBINSON.
RG - MIKE WILLIAMS, ARTIS HICKS, EDWIN WILLIAMS, CHAD RINEHART, KORY LICHTENSTEIGER.
RT - potential #37 pick, STEPHON HEYER, CLINT OLDENBURG.
QB - potential #4 pick, SOUP, REX, COLT.

4 slots.

DEFENSE
4-3;
LT - potential #4 pick, GOLSTON, ALEXANDER, MONTGOMERY.
OLB - potential #103 pick, McINTOSH et.al.
CB - potential #166 pick, ROGERS, HALL, TRYON, BARNES.
FS - potential #4 pick, LANDRY, MOORE, TERRELL WHITEHEAD post-draft.

4 slots.

3-4;
NT - HAYNESWORTH, KEMOEATU.
DE - potential #166 pick, HAYNESWORTH, CARTER, DANIELS, WYNN?.
ILB - potential #103 pick, FLETCHER, BLADES.
OLB - potential #135 pick, McINTOSH, ORAKPO, et. al.
CB - same as 4-3.
FS - same as 4-3.

6 slots.

When I look this list over I see too many problems for transition to a 3-4 this year. KEMOEATU is a start toward that end if healthy. Maybe next year. HAYNESWORTH will be happier at least.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

You're saying that we can't get a 1st rounder for a potential StuporBowel winning QB?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | March 29, 2010 11:14 AM


I love when this is referenced as a reason why JC isn't good...as if there's more than about 5 QBs in this league worth a 1st round pick. And if he were worth a 1st round pick, we wouldn't be trying to trade him, now would we?

I mean really...the guy that just won the Super Bowl wasn't worth a 1st round pick when he was a FA...hell, only TWO teams wanted him and he was FREE!

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

You can put me on record as saying that if you put JC on the '06 Bears at QB, they win the Super Bowl that year.
Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 11:04 AM
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Unfortunately, that scenario would require JC getting a team to the playoffs which he has never come close to doing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

If my 'peril' is having a slightly worse practice squad, oh well.

Also, please don't compare guys who have gotten it done in the league to the post draft pick-ups you are advocating.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | March 29, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm not "comparing" anything or anyone. I'm saying we need a great LB, and it ain't happenin' in the draft. So we need to pick some guys for that slot post-draft. If you used half of that brain in your head, you'd see that. Just the supposition I would expect from someone whose handle indicates he wants to be next to PORTIS' jock-strap.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 29, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

with th 4th pick. if there

Bradford
Okung
or trade down for the best players you can get.

Clausen only in the 2nd or 3rd round pick for name a 1st round qb that ever made it in the NFL out of N.D. pick him in the 1st is a 5 years setback

Posted by: lostdogrwd101 | March 29, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Really hoping that we do not waste pick on any QBs in 1st or 2nd rounds. We need 2 concentrate on OL not a QB that will only faIL BHIND WHAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME. gO WIT jc AND SOME REAL Olineman. Its going 2 get a lot better.
MurtD

Posted by: donnellmurray2010 | March 29, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The only logical choice at 4 is Okung. Think about it--Campbell put up average numbers (scarily average) across the board in a terrible season. He was tendered so they could keep him and not have to pay him much. He will be the QB in 2010. You can always find a QB without spending a top 10 pick in this draft or the next. Build the line when you have the chance to get a real stud tackle. The bottom line is, though, that Shanny has reviewed EVERY PLAY of the 2009 Redskins season so we have to assume he knows the guys he wants and the ones he doesn't. Every free agent O-lineman with a pulse was brought to Redskin Park. Shanny clearly sees the line as a priority and Campbell as at least competant. After 2010, who knows?

Posted by: largetony86 | March 29, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Philly fan booed when the Eagles drafted McNabb. Skins fans will probably boo when Shanny selects Clausen. Not me. The Skins won't be able to compete until they get a legit QB.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 29, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, that scenario would require JC getting a team to the playoffs which he has never come close to doing.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 29, 2010 11:21 AM


Right, and the Redskins have given him EVERY opportunity to do that. I mean, with the Hogs 2.0, a great defense that holds 4th quarter leads and the elite coaching from Wilford Brimley...I mean, Gibbs 2.0 and Jim "Don't Call Me Varney" Zorn, JC should have at least 3 SB wins to his credit, right?

The most ignorant take on football is "Elite QB = Super Bowl". If that were the case, Peyton Manning would have at least 3 more rings and Eli Manning would have none.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

The Skins won't be able to compete until they get a legit QB.

Posted by: coparker5


I guess those five fat guys that forms a wall around the QB has nothing to do with competing.

I say put the QB out there and have him count off a 3 Mississippi rush count.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 29, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Right, and the Redskins have given him EVERY opportunity to do that. I mean, with the Hogs 2.0, a great defense that holds 4th quarter leads and the elite coaching from Wilford Brimley...I mean, Gibbs 2.0 and Jim "Don't Call Me Varney" Zorn, JC should have at least 3 SB wins to his credit, right?

The most ignorant take on football is "Elite QB = Super Bowl". If that were the case, Peyton Manning would have at least 3 more rings and Eli Manning would have none.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 29, 2010 11:38 AM

100% correct.

Posted by: largetony86 | March 29, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand all the anti Jason Campbell sentiment! What more could be expected of him? With a terrible coaching situation (3 coordinators in 5 years--only four of which he actually played,) a line that would make a patch-work line look like pro bowlers, and a defense that ONCE in the past 3 seasons actually stopped the other team in the 4th QTR of a one score game, WHAT COULD HE HAVE DONE TO MAKE THAT BETTER? IT IS SO UNFAIR TO JUDGE HIM WITH ALL THE OTHER STUFF THAT CLEARLY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED! He put up average numbers with only one receiver the other team actually had to focus on after Cooley's injury--and it's all his fault? NONSENSE!!!

Posted by: largetony86 | March 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

again.. if campbell,grossman,brennan and bartel (possibly a new qb also)all compete this year in training camp, campbell will beat all of them out this year. grossman was on the bears just like the trainers, coachs or players, he did NOT lead them to the SB no more than dilfer when he was on the ravens and they won the SB stop the stupid BS talk that this qb won this game or that game a qb is just 1 position games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage, special teams, TURNOVERS(something this team does not get)many times losses have nothing or little with the qb. fix the o-line"

Posted by: wathu19 | March 29, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

It's real hard for me to understand the "Hate" being thrown Clausen's way!!! Has anyone even looked at his stats from last year???

RAT YDS TD INT CMP%
113.3 3722 28 4 68.0

If anyone of the so called "Top Rated" QBs should be question...it should definitly be Bradford...the guy seems to be a little fragile...and that's at the college level. Clausen performed well last year...and if ND had at least an average Def...the may have actually won a few more games. Just don't understand some of the comments that posted up here about football....clearly some of you know nothing about the sport!!

Posted by: chicoexcell | March 29, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

we just need to trade down for more picks i just dont feel safe about either qb...but i would not be made if we took okung

Posted by: ccrum87 | March 29, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

glawrence007, first off..what college football team do you root for?? Second, so you are telling me that you are concerned with a guy that passes for 28 TD's with only 4 Int's, almost 4,000 yards in complex pro style system (the same one that Tom Brady runs in New England) with no running game, no defense (ranked in the 80th percentile), leading his team to several 4th quarter comebacks and doing so all with two torn ligaments in his toe is a concern...you my friend are an idiot. Teams always look to QB's first because there is no position that has bigger effect on a team as whole than the QB and yes the QB does make the offensive line better, does make the running game better, does make the defense better..if you don't realize that you should just stop posting all together. If you have a great QB you can overcome a ton, if you don't your team is likely SOL. Take a look at the QB's that were in the playoffs last year, take a look at the QB's that have won the SB the last 18-20 years and then we can talk futher.

Posted by: rj3743 | March 30, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Lisa R, stick to baking because you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. If you want to stop rooting for the Skins, great..don't let the door hit you in the butt!!

Posted by: rj3743 | March 30, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

chicoexcell, I couldn't agree with you more, I can't believe how many idiots are on this board!! What it comes down to is the fact that many people here don't like ND, they have never seen the kid play, they don't know one thing about him but they know he is from ND so they simply don't like him. There's also a big contingent of people here that are still in complete denial when it comes to Campbell, I have never heard so many excuses made for one QB. These people have no clue, even if Suh, Okung or Berry played at an extremely high level they would still not have as big of an effect on our overall win total in comparison to a damn good QB. When it comes to Clausen, I would add that the majority of his numbers came against defenses that knew the pass was coming, he was running a complex pro offense (ND had basically no running game) and he did for the majority of the season with two torn ligaments in his plant foot. Nothing pisses me off more than people that want to trash a kid but fails to state any specific reason as to why that person will fail..idiots!!!

Posted by: rj3743 | March 30, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

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