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Shanahans, Allen spend the day looking at Bradford, Clausen

Today is a busy travel day for the Redskins.

Mike Shanahan, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan and general manager Bruce Allen, are starting the day in Norman, Okla., where they're holding a private workout with Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford. It's believed that the only two teams to schedule private workouts with Bradford are the Redskins and the St. Louis Rams, who hold the draft's top pick.

After putting Bradford through drills and chatting, the Redskins' trio will hop aboard owner Daniel Snyder's private plane and head to South Bend, Ind., where they'll hold a similar workout with Notre Dame's Jimmy Clausen at 4 p.m.. Seeing the two throw on the same day will be the closest the Redskins will get to a side-by-side comparison.

As we've stated before, the acquisition of Donovan McNabb doesn't necessarily preclude the team from drafting a quarterback next week. The team could sit the rookie, allow him to learn the new offense and grow under McNabb, who will turn 34 in November.

It's unlikely that the Redskins would take either Bradford or Clausen with their No. 4 pick next Thursday. They'd likely have to move up to No. 1 to get Bradford and could probably drop down a few spots to get Clausen.

The team also hosted quarterbacks Colt McCoy and Florida's Tim Tebow last week.

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By Rick Maese  |  April 15, 2010; 1:00 PM ET
Categories:  NFL Draft  | Tags: Jimmy Clausen, Mike Shanahan, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Washington Redskins  
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Comments

Sounds like a lot of time to spend for the 2 execs to spend on guys they won't be picking.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

The only assault is from the insulting ungrateful jackasses who'll reply to this post with their vitriol aimed at me instead of at the WaPo writers.

Posted by: MrChili | April 15, 2010 1:02 PM
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I don't really understand this comment. Should I fling poo at you, or the WaPo writers? It seems to me you are throwing them back under the bus with this last sentence, but then again, I am not sure I really understand it.

BTW, if these writers are on the staff, they do get paid for it. This blog promotes the newspaper and the newspaper makes money (I think that's why Warren Buffet owns stock) and the newspaper pays the writers. It's kind of like this thing called capitalism. It is well within our rights as consumers of the blog to post our opinions. It is WaPo's problem if they have so alienated the people in Redskins land that they cannot get an occasional bone thrown their way and provide what other hard working websites might offer as a "scoop".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 1:16 PM

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

No it doesn't. making people think we are willing to do it does. our picks value goes up.

Posted by: follybeach | April 15, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

1 week to go and football novices are talking about Bradford & Claussen...even after the aquisition of McNabb. LOL OK. Let's try and help our unknowedgable fans of football out. Our current glaring weakness: Offensive Line, Offensive Line & Offensive Line. It could also help to draft a young Running back to be groomed by the aging corps of Portis, Johnson & Parker. AND if we are to switching from the 4/3 to the 3/4, we might need Linebackers.

So, in review that is:
Offensive Linemen
Running Back
Linebackers

Let's save drafting a QB for it is a deeper crop.

PS: Since Shanahan is a known commodity, we should know that he will be selecting O-Linemen to fit his style of blocking wich means he might not put all his $$ on just 1 horse like Okung. I would expect him to trade down.

Posted by: lszovati | April 15, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Sports_Guru- how does that make any sense?

1st. He wont be there
2nd. Mcnabb would get drilled week in and week out from our non-existent LT, and our TERRIBLE terrible RT. Thus, we would have to play the rook once Mcnabb can no longer walk....


Posted by: peoplearestupid1 | April 15, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I will be really surprised if the Redskins do not move some current player(s) between now and day 2 (or 3) of the draft in exchange for additional picks. The question is who?(and for what picks?).

Posted by: manlius1 | April 15, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I think it does too if Okung is gone. If this really is a 5 year rebuild on offense then grab Bradford at #4 and get your LT next year. Plug in the guy that gets cut after the draft whether it be Backus or whoever. Use them as a stopgap and let DM5 get killed this year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

No it doesn't. making people think we are willing to do it does. our picks value goes up.

Posted by: follybeach | April 15, 2010 1:22 PM


Check out what Gruden had to say about Bradford on ESPN.com

Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM |

That's only because you're capable of thinking longer, not better.

Posted by: mack1 | April 15, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The only way taking Bradford at 4 makes sense is if you flip him to another team immediately for multiple picks and you can then use one of those picks for a quality LT prospect. What is the big rush to take a young QB this year rather than next? It is not as if McNabb is Farve's age. He has at least a few more good years in him (and possibly several more). It might be different if Bradford was thought to be the next Peyton Manning, but I don't hear NFL talent evaluators making that claim.

Posted by: manlius1 | April 15, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I think it's the same number that Dan Marino won.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 15, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"we should know that he will be selecting O-Linemen to fit his style of blocking wich means he might not put all his $$ on just 1 horse like Okung. I would expect him to trade down.Posted by: lszovati"

With who?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

Why would you throw away a franchise left tackle for a shot at a QB? The Bengals have a dominant QB with Carson Palmer... how many super bowls has that gotten them?
Exactly!

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that if one impressed them sufficiently and was still availablet at #4, they'd grab him.

But I doubt that will happen.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

follybeach,

I hope you are correct and that is the strategy. Otherwise, the lid may blow off this town, not to mention this blog, if the 'Skins pick Clausen at #4 or somehow move up to pick Bradford. I can only imagine the package involved...

Posted by: teamn | April 15, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

CAMPBELL DECIDES TO GO TO CAMP, COMPETE FOR POSITION

ASHBURN, VA -- In an amazing reversal of fortune, former Washington Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell has decided to attend this weekend's voluntary spring mini-camp at Redskins Park after all. And he is also calling out the guy who would replace him in the starting position -- the newly signed Donovan McNabb -- and challenging him to a duel.

According to Campbell, "I have decided that if I am going to go down, I am at least going to go down fighting. The man just can't come in here and disrepect me in front of the team and all that -- I mean, like take my job without competing for it."

Campbell has warned McNabb to be ready to compete in a series of specially designed skills competitions that will highlight who actually has the better quarterbacking skills.

First up: Quarterback Dodge Ball, wherein the coaching staff throws a bunch of beach balls, soccer balls, basketballs and a single football at the quarterback in rapid fire succession. The object of the game is to correctly identify which of the balls is a football.

Next comes a game of H-O-R-S-E, where the the quarterbacks match up with their wide recievers and take turns trying to make trick shots with a basketball. The object of the game is to figure out who is the best trash talker.

Then comes a game of Competitive Bawling -- wherein each quarterback takes a tight end and a couple of smoking hot cheerleaders out to dinner and bowling. The object of the game is to figure out who picks up the tab.

Meanwhile, McNabb is reportedly planning a skills competition or two of his own. For example, the object of one of McNabb's as yet unnamed games is to determine who can best lead his team down the field, complete a few clutch passes when the game is on the line, and score touchdowns.

Campbell is reportedly already calling McNabb's proposed game an "unfair" competition.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"I hope you are correct and that is the strategy. Otherwise, the lid may blow off this town, not to mention this blog, if the 'Skins pick Clausen at #4 or somehow move up to pick Bradford. I can only imagine the package involved...Posted by: teamn"

That sounds like fun. 4,000 RI bloggers having mycardial infarcts at the same time...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the best case scenario for the Skins is this....

1) If Bradford is available at #4 TRADE THE PICK. People will come calling and the Skins will have leverage and they can deal Bradford/the pick and make out. I would see them easily being able to get a 1st round pick in the 10-20 range and a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder.

2) Take OKUNG if Available.

3) If Okung and Bradford are both gone before the Skins draft then trade down for what you can get. (likely a late 1st and a 2nd). Take Williams or Campbell w/the 1st and the best available player out of LB/OL/CB in the 2nd.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | April 15, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle?"

In all seriousness, the answer to this question is so obvious it's almost painful to point out.

We already have a franchise QB.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

No it doesn't. making people think we are willing to do it does. our picks value goes up.

Posted by: follybeach | April 15, 2010 1:22 PM

BINGO.

Any waves at the washout today?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | April 15, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I think it does too if Okung is gone. If this really is a 5 year rebuild on offense then grab Bradford at #4 and get your LT next year. Plug in the guy that gets cut after the draft whether it be Backus or whoever. Use them as a stopgap and let DM5 get killed this year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 1:29 PM

Agreed.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame Vic1 puts about 15 more minutes into his posts than it takes for the average reader to scan down to "Posted by: Vic1" and decide to skip over the horse graveyard.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Shanny should just go ahead and sign Flozell before the draft so he select Clausen with the 4th pick.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 15, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I think it does too if Okung is gone. If this really is a 5 year rebuild on offense then grab Bradford at #4 and get your LT next year. Plug in the guy that gets cut after the draft whether it be Backus or whoever. Use them as a stopgap and let DM5 get killed this year.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 1:29 PM

Agreed.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

The only problem is, Bradford won't be there at 4.. So to that point, do you feel the same about JimmyC?

A few months ago I would have said he!! no, but I'm starting to come around on him and personally think he is the best QB in this years draft.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Redskins shock the world !!!!

@ #4 they will draft Jimmy Clausen

It's a done deal.

Mcnabb will be our starter for 2 years.

JC17 will be gone.

Sexy Rexy is a rental

Colt is not a franchise QB

If the skins could move down they would.

Hologram is full of **** if Clausen is there he is the pick. On that bases we will pull the trigger at #4

Now.... I understand that a few of you are screaming Okung or williams for good reason.

The skins will trade whoever if they must.

AH
Laundry
Davis
Cooley
Laundry

Just to name a few.

There are a few unsigned options out there as well. But you better believe that all these smoke screens are centered around drafting Clausen.

Clausen is the real deal and when shanny leaves in year 3 -- he will turn everything over to Kyle.

Posted by: byrdinthesky | April 15, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The only problem is, Bradford won't be there at 4.. So to that point, do you feel the same about JimmyC?

A few months ago I would have said he!! no, but I'm starting to come around on him and personally think he is the best QB in this years draft.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 15, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

re Clausen: Absolutely not, in the generally accepted view of the prospects the ranking is:

Russell Okung
Sam Bradford
Trent Williams
Eric Berry
Bryan Bulaga
C.J. Spiller
Ham Sandwich
The guy who played Oher in the blindside
Jimmy Clausen

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Russell Okung
Sam Bradford
Trent Williams
Eric Berry
Bryan Bulaga
C.J. Spiller
Ham Sandwich
The guy who played Oher in the blindside
Jimmy Clausen

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 2:02 PM

Would drafting the Ham Sandwich invoke memories of the Hogs?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

CAMPBELL AN ALLEGED HIGH SCHOOL BULLY, ACCORDING TO FORMER CLASSMATE

Taylorsville, MS -- Jason Campbell, former starting quarterback of the Washington Redskins, has been accused of being a “big mean bully, who stole my girlfriend”, according to former Taylorsville High School (Taylorsville, MS) classmate Vic1. Vic1 graduated in 2000 along with Campbell, who he describes as a “proven loser who can’t lead his team to victory”. Several teachers who would not go on record described Campbell and Vic1’s relationship as adversarial, at best. “When you have the starting QB slash big man on campus (Campbell) and the 5th string QB vying for the same girl’s attention, you can figure out for yourself who is going to get the girl in the end…..” stated one of the former coaches of the Taylorsville varsity football team; “it wasn’t even close”. “Vic1 really thought that he should have been the starter” said a former teammate, “but we all knew who had game, and who the wanna-be was; the guy never even got into a game”. Another former classmate told us “At our 5 year reunion all the girls were talking to Jason, just like in high school, and Vic1 was over in the corner by himself; he looked REALLY mad and was muttering a bunch of stuff under his breath. Everyone was pointing at him and laughing”.

It would appear that high school grudges really can carry over. None of Campbell’s former girlfriends would go on record as to whether or not they dated Vic1 before Campbell, but off the record, when asked about Vic1, they said “WHO?”.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Too bad we need two OTs or this would be the pick I'd like to see.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-safetyberry041510

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 15, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I would not be happy if we draft Clausen at #4, but it occurs to me that the Redskins rarely take my feeling into consideration when making these decisions.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should take Okung with the 4th pick and trade next year's 1st round draft pick for Vincent Jackson.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 15, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

that was good paskins. i just hope we find a way to get into the second round maybe send campbell along with another player on the previously mentioned list.

Posted by: zorn_sucks | April 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Ham Sandwich
The guy who played Oher in the blindside
Jimmy Clausen

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | April 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a ham sandwich and "the talented guy who not only played Oher in the Blind Side, but also stared in Precious" before Clausen?

Not saying we should take him, but I won't be in a uproar if we do.. I still think Okung should and will be the pick.

Posted by: skinsfanintampa | April 15, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahans, Allen spend the day looking at Bradford, Clausen"

The Shanahans--a father and son team--will decide the future of the franchise.

I see them now, chilling on Snyder's jet, high above the grassy mid western plains where stud offensive linemen type grow up on grain and chopping wood.

Kyle: Dad, in Texas, we and Johnson AND Schaub AND linemen.

Dad: I know son.

Kyle: We ain't go that here.

Dad: I know son, I knew that when I took the job.

Kyle: And another thing, dad, who's gonna block the backside of these quarterbacks we're evaluating should we draft them?

(Mike Shanahan looks up from the posts in RI he's been skimming for info as the jet prepares to land. He finds Moe's posts annoying a draw an angry red X through them daily.)

Dad (mildly irritated): Son, we're just on a trip. We are drafting a quarterback as much as we are trying to fool someone who might want to.

Kyle: So we are trying to get someone to think we want a quarterback so they trade up with us, give up a low round pick, and with a top 15 pick we snag Trent Williams?

Dad: Maybe, son.

And maybe not.

Keep thinking about Houston, son.

'Cuz you ain't there anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe

Why did you make the Shanny's from West By God?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should take Okung with the 4th pick and trade next year's 1st round draft pick for Vincent Jackson.

Posted by: coparker5 | April 15, 2010 2:09 PM |

You can't make this stuff up.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 15, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse
==========================
Buffalo Bills forgot the Draft lesson of always selecting a "value position..ie. someone that scores/touches the ball (QB, WR, TE, RB" if you have franchise pick in the 1st round. This is the mantra of a pretty good GM, Bill Polian.

The Bill's had the # 4 pick in the 2002 Draft.. And they haven't fully recovered since then.
"And with the # 4 pick, The Bills select Texas Offensive Tackle, Mike Williams".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Shanallen looking at Clausen and Bradford is not news.It is very unlikely that a team with a newly-acquired starter and two former starters on the roster is going to pick a qb high enough to have a shot at either Clausen or Bradford.

Why doesn't Wapo get a hold of some scouts and ask them to compare some of the tackles in this draft? or at least get some good background on them? We'd be interested in that? It seems we have one source of info. and that is ashburn. Wapo isn't espn, but what does it take to pick up the phone and talk to a couple of scouts for 10 minutes?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 15, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahans, Allen spend the day looking at Bradford, Clausen"

The Shanahans--a father and son team--will decide the future of the franchise.

I see them now, chilling on Snyder's jet, high above the grassy mid western plains where stud offensive linemen type grow up on grain and chopping wood.

Kyle: Dad, in Texas, we and Johnson AND Schaub AND linemen.

Dad: I know son.

Kyle: We ain't go that here.

He stops to check out the hot brunette stewardess who won't stop walking up and down the aisle.

Kyle: We had Slaton and Daniels, too.

Dad: I know son, I knew that when I took the job.

Kyle: And another thing, dad, who's gonna block the backside of these quarterbacks we're evaluating should we draft them?

(Mike Shanahan looks up from the posts in RI he's been skimming for info as the jet prepares to land. He finds Moe's posts annoying a draw an angry red X through them daily.)

Dad (mildly irritated): Son, we're just on a trip. We are drafting a quarterback as much as we are trying to fool someone who might want to.

Kyle: So we are trying to get someone to think we want a quarterback so they trade up with us, give up a low round pick, and with a top 15 pick we snag Trent Williams?

Dad: Maybe, son.

And maybe not.

Keep thinking about Houston, son.

'Cuz you ain't there anymore.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

having a young gun will be in the cards, to be groomed by McNabb, but I don't know about this year with all the needs along the O-line. But thinking that far ahead is quite refreshing. I approve, no more short sighted moves...AWESOME!

Posted by: sthai75 | April 15, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of teams in this draft unwilling to give up picks for players. I am starting to think that we might not see the exact roster for this team until way after the draft. Teams will pick and then wait to see if they can afford to offload a veteran that Washington may want, or find out a player they drafted might not fill a need and a player on Washington's roster will. What I am saying is the draft may go by without Washington trading for more picks and they might not offload some guys until the other teams have a first mini-camp with the rookies.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 15, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Wapo get a hold of some scouts and ask them to compare some of the tackles in this draft? or at least get some good background on them? We'd be interested in that? It seems we have one source of info. and that is ashburn. Wapo isn't espn, but what does it take to pick up the phone and talk to a couple of scouts for 10 minutes?
Posted by: monkeymayonaise | April 15, 2010 2:20 PM

Kirwan does that at nfl dot com:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817720bd&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Also, La Canfora is starting up the rumor mill that Pittsburgh wants to deal Big Ben……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse
==========================
Buffalo Bills forgot the Draft lesson of always selecting a "value position..ie. someone that scores/touches the ball (QB, WR, TE, RB" if you have franchise pick in the 1st round. This is the mantra of a pretty good GM, Bill Polian.

The Bill's had the # 4 pick in the 2002 Draft.. And they haven't fully recovered since then.
"And with the # 4 pick, The Bills select Texas Offensive Tackle, Mike Williams".
++++++++++
Meant to add.. So, if Skins hold onto the 4th overall pick.. They will select Bradford or Clausen...Personally I would like to see a "trade down" deal done to get Spiller and a 3rd rnder. Spiller is a mid-range 1st rounder that could be an Adrian Peterson clone.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"I am starting to think that we might not see the exact roster for this team until way after the draft."

Correct-o-mundo, as the Fonz used to say.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"I am starting to think that we might not see the exact roster for this team until way after the draft."

Correct-o-mundo, as the Fonz used to say.


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze1 --

While I don't know you, I suspect your story is more in keeping with your experiences than mine.

Never been to Taylorsville, myself -- never carried a grudge in high school or since, nor have I ever had to compete for the attention of others.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 2:31 PM

Hey, I just copied and pasted the article.....just like you do.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Stop drinking the koolaid my friends we are going to draft a QB @ #4. We will not have a competitive o-line and will pretty much suck as a team. I never believed the day would come when the redskins would be compared to the bottom tier teams. We have no honor or respect and the plan going forward looks insane. Shanny must be here to leave his son a head coaching job and Allen thinks like his father, both have different agendas. Dan is still controlling things and has taken us to the bottom of the heap. it is just hard to see a team over the last ten years become the laughing stock of the NFL. Blame it on whoever you want but it just plain embarrising.

I have be a redskin fan since 1955 and it sucks to hear the disrespectful way radio stations around the states use the skins to measure failure in the NFL. Being compared to the Lions, Mets, Nats and Raiders organizations just says how bad we need Snyder to sell this team to someone who cares more about the team than the money. Does any one else feel this way because even with the new coache the cliche lip stick on a pig is quite appropriate even for the Redskins.

Posted by: MPWTIAN | April 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

"Buffalo Bills forgot the Draft lesson of always selecting a "value position..ie. someone that scores/touches the ball (QB, WR, TE, RB" if you have franchise pick in the 1st round. This is the mantra of a pretty good GM, Bill Polian."

It's also the mantra of arguably the worst GM in NFL history (no, not Vinny....well, maybe Vinny too) -- Matt Millen.

Meanwhile, another pretty good GM, Bill Parcells, has rebuilt multiple teams into playoff contenders - including his current one - through the philosophy of 'inside-out'. It always starts along the line.

In the end, it's more about the evaluation of talent and the vision of a plan than the general beginning philosophy of who gets taken where.

And for the Redskins, who already have a quarterback, receivers, tight ends, and no offensive line -- the vision should be obvious.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Does any one else feel this way ....

Posted by: MPWTIAN | April 15, 2010 2:40 PM

Yeah, Chicken Little feels this way. He says "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

Posted by: League-Source | April 15, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I hate the term "groom" a quarterback. McNabb can groom a new quarterback.
Does this mean he combs his hair, checks for ticks, clips his toenails, washes under those hard to reach areas.

Draft Haiku:

Who comes up with this,
Who to draft Okung Clausen
Hail To The Redskins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 15, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

CAMPBELL AN ALLEGED HIGH SCHOOL BULLY, ACCORDING TO FORMER CLASSMATE

Taylorsville, MS -- Jason Campbell, former starting quarterback of the Washington Redskins, has been accused of being a “big mean bully, who stole my girlfriend”, according to former Taylorsville High School (Taylorsville, MS) classmate Vic1. Vic1 graduated in 2000 along with Campbell, who he describes as a “proven loser who can’t lead his team to victory”. Several teachers who would not go on record described Campbell and Vic1’s relationship as adversarial, at best. “When you have the starting QB slash big man on campus (Campbell) and the 5th string QB vying for the same girl’s attention, you can figure out for yourself who is going to get the girl in the end…..” stated one of the former coaches of the Taylorsville varsity football team; “it wasn’t even close”. “Vic1 really thought that he should have been the starter” said a former teammate, “but we all knew who had game, and who the wanna-be was; the guy never even got into a game”. Another former classmate told us “At our 5 year reunion all the girls were talking to Jason, just like in high school, and Vic1 was over in the corner by himself; he looked REALLY mad and was muttering a bunch of stuff under his breath. Everyone was pointing at him and laughing”.

It would appear that high school grudges really can carry over. None of Campbell’s former girlfriends would go on record as to whether or not they dated Vic1 before Campbell, but off the record, when asked about Vic1, they said “WHO?”.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse
ROFLMAO

Posted by: frediefritz | April 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I can see us trading AH, JC and maybe Carter to the Rams for the 1st pick. Its win win...Rams get 3 quality players that we don't want or need (and fill areas of need for them) instead of one expensive risky player, we get a potential future Payton Manning that can sit and learn behind McNabb for a few years and we keep our fourth pick to get Okung. Anybody else see this as an awesome possibility!?

Posted by: n8skins | April 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else see this as an awesome possibility!?

Posted by: n8skins | April 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse
Nope. You don't trade 3 starters for one player to sit on the bench, and hold a clipboard.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Clausen makes sense IF Okung is picked by the Lions.. Skins could trade their #4 pick.. say to a team dying to get a DT like Suh or McCoy.. for their #1 and #2. Skins would have to be real lucky and hope the Bills pass on Clausen (which I don't think they will.). but IF he does drop like Brady Quinn did.. get him later in 1st round.. Then try to trade 2nd round pick (maybe plus another) to Balt for Gaither at LT.. yeah LOTS of IF's but it would give Skins a QB of the future and their starting LT.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if already posted but maybe this sheds some light: http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Bradford-will-not-sign-predraft-deal.html

Maybe they don't want the financial risk of signing Bradford or maybe Bradford just doesn't want to be a Ram.

I have read the comments on what we might get for Haynesworth in a trade, but I suspect for the most part those views are substantially undervaluing him. Factoring in both his *proven* talent and cash cost, I would think he's a better risk reward than whoever the Lions will take at #2. I'm not saying the Lions would do that deal, but I wouldn't think the Lions were crazy if they did, except the Skins may be willing to take so much less that it would be unnecessary. Keep in mind the #2 pick overall is going to get guaranteed money for nearly what Albert got last year, and won't have yet played a down in the NFL...

Posted by: beatkal | April 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It would appear that high school grudges really can carry over. None of Campbell’s former girlfriends would go on record as to whether or not they dated Vic1 before Campbell, but off the record, when asked about Vic1, they said “WHO?”.


Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:06 PM |
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Funny post but....

Let go of the JC love already.

The guy is a POS QB, period.

As for banging girlfriends, I doubt JC has the accuracy to thread the needle, as it were... although I'm sure when he misses he blames the lack of protection from the condom for making him nervous and out of synch.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 15, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Fat tub of Jello
Gasping for breath is my job
one hundred million

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 15, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Spiller is a mid-range 1st rounder that could be an Adrian Peterson clone.
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 2:26 PM


I assume you mean the Adrian Peterson that played for the bears, because other than the fact they both where the number 28 there is nothing similar about Spiller and Purple Jesus.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to get over the fact that we gave away a 2ND ROUND pick for McNabb.

I just hope one day we start to value draft picks and build the team of pure draft picks, with our own "brand" of players, not someone elses stars!

our 2ND ROUND PICK is gone! and it would be irrational to select a QB with our #4 pick, unless a team out there has already offered (minimum) a 2ND ROUND and 5th pick for Haynesworth and a 2nd ROUND pick for Campbell; then I won't make a huge deal if we select a QB with our #4 pick.

The best scenario; would be to trade our #4 pick (for example w/ the 49ers) they hold the #13 & 17th overall, which means; if Shannahan and Allen want a QB soooo bad to groom behind McNabb; its very possible Clausen will be available at #13 and then we can pick an offensive lineman #17.

in my opinion the best situation is to trade down our #4 pick, for two first rounders and get two offensive tackles and plug them to starting line up from the get go, and if we can get a high 2nd round for Haynesworth, we can get Colt McCoy; and if worst case we can get a 3RD round for Campbell, we can get a young flashy Running Back; and trade Portis for a 4th round (I doubt we would get anything for him) very likely he'll get cut.

Posted by: slvtruco21 | April 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:06 PM

Hilarious!

The Campbell bashing is beyond tired and lame at this point.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Trade down or trade up?
Where is Vinnie Cerrato?
Jason Campbell Sucks!

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 15, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse
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Buffalo Bills forgot the Draft lesson of always selecting a "value position..ie. someone that scores/touches the ball (QB, WR, TE, RB" if you have franchise pick in the 1st round. This is the mantra of a pretty good GM, Bill Polian.

The Bill's had the # 4 pick in the 2002 Draft.. And they haven't fully recovered since then.
"And with the # 4 pick, The Bills select Texas Offensive Tackle, Mike Williams".
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Meant to add.. So, if Skins hold onto the 4th overall pick.. They will select Bradford or Clausen...Personally I would like to see a "trade down" deal done to get Spiller and a 3rd rnder. Spiller is a mid-range 1st rounder that could be an Adrian Peterson clone.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 2:26 PM
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It's also the mantra of arguably the worst GM in NFL history (no, not Vinny....well, maybe Vinny too) -- Matt Millen.

Meanwhile, another pretty good GM, Bill Parcells, has rebuilt multiple teams into playoff contenders - including his current one - through the philosophy of 'inside-out'. It always starts along the line.

In the end, it's more about the evaluation of talent and the vision of a plan than the general beginning philosophy of who gets taken where.

And for the Redskins, who already have a quarterback, receivers, tight ends, and no offensive line -- the vision should be obvious.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2010 2:44 PM |
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My point had nothing to do with Millen.. It was the fact of selecting a "value position / pick" in the First round.

Put it another way, what did the Bills get for their former 1st round pick, Mike Williams? Nothing..zilch.. What will the Skins get for their former 1st rounder.. maybe a 4th? Why? He is a "value pick". Touches the ball..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else see this as an awesome possibility!?

Posted by: n8skins | April 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Hell no!!! That is all.

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | April 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Clausen makes sense IF Okung is picked by the Lions.. Skins could trade their #4 pick.. say to a team dying to get a DT like Suh or McCoy.. for their #1 and #2. Skins would have to be real lucky and hope the Bills pass on Clausen (which I don't think they will.). but IF he does drop like Brady Quinn did.. get him later in 1st round.. Then try to trade 2nd round pick (maybe plus another) to Balt for Gaither at LT.. yeah LOTS of IF's but it would give Skins a QB of the future and their starting LT.

Posted by: sovine08 | April 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse
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If he is fact the guy... and I believe he is. He won't get past Cleveland.

Clausen is the best QB in the draft and the Rams have bought into the Bradford thing hook line and sinker.

#4 is a little high because of the BS perception about Clausen. On that bases we must still take him at #4 and trade for a LT.... say Jammal Brown with the saints.

Gregg Williams lives laundry. We could package and sell that.

Posted by: byrdinthesky | April 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame Vic1 puts about 15 more minutes into his posts than it takes for the average reader to scan down to "Posted by: Vic1" and decide to skip over the horse graveyard.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse
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I thought I was the only one who did that.

Posted by: closer44 | April 15, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

FWIW post. Beeps!!!!!!!

Posted by: TWISI | April 15, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze 1 --

Nope, thanks and appreciate the feedback -- but most of the stuff you see from me is original... not necessarily creative... or even funny... but usually based (however loosely) on actual events, circumstances and impressions.

For instance, today's installment goes back to some hazy memories of last year's pre-season training camp -- when JC17 was pictured playing dodge ball with the coaching staff, reported to be talking trash with his wide receivers on the basketball court, and trying to hang and bowl with Cooley and his smoking hot cheerleader of a wife.

I realize some may think I'm obsessed -- and they're probably right -- but so long as this loser is on the roster, we face the risk of him actually playing again for us one day. Thus, my personal crusade to start each day wondering why this may be so -- and whether it should continue to be so.

But then I also know that it's only a game -- staged for our money and entertainment -- sort of like NASCAR in pads and helmets.

And besides, this is only a blog.

So please lighten up and quit worrying about what I might have to say -- or at least just skip over like some of the rest and just ignore it! You'll be happier in the long run, trust me.

Posted by: Vic1 | April 15, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

So I'm flicking through the channels the other night and come across this 'Happy Days' special.

I had NO idea that the coach from 'The Waterboy' is the freakin' Fonz....

Shows the age, I know.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

"I'm starting to get over the fact that we gave away a 2ND ROUND pick for McNabb."

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While I believe draft picks are important, they involve a high degree of uncertainty. Plenty of 1st round picks are total busts, not to mention 2nd or later round picks. Someone like McNabb is a known and proven quantity. Sure, he might get hurt, but a first overall pick could go down on the first day of training camp too. That is an inherent risk of the game (and any sport, really). So, I see getting McNabb for a 2nd this year and a 4th (or 3rd) next year as a very good deal for the Redskins. I know others see it differently, and that is fine.

But the uncertainty inherent in a draft pick is why I am not crazy about trading AH for picks, unless (1) there is a solid alternative to fill AH's shoes once he is gone, AND (2) the compensation the Skins get in return for AH is very good (at least a 1 and a 3, even if the 1 is in 2011). For all of his downs off and drama, AH plainly improves the Redskins defense (witness Carter's sack total increase in 2009 over 2008, and overall team sack total increase in 2009 over 2008).

Posted by: manlius1 | April 15, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 15, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

OMG that ish is funny

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 15, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else see this as an awesome possibility!?

Posted by: n8skins | April 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse
Nope. You don't trade 3 starters for one player to sit on the bench, and hold a clipboard.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 15, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, three starters that we either don't want (AH) or need (Campbell, Carter). Shanny obviously doesn't want to deal with AH and Campbell is obviously the odd man out on the QB depth chart and there are issues with Carter's age and how he will fit the 3-4. People talk about placing an importance on the draft and that we have had a revolving door of QBs...drafting Bradford gives us potential security for years to come. But only if we can keep the fourth and draft Okung as well.

Posted by: n8skins | April 15, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

You mean a franchise QB like Heath Shuler?
Nobody argued with that pick at the time, infact, he may have been more highly touted than Bradford at the time.

Besides Sean Taylor, Chris Samuels is the best 1rst round pick the skins have made in a couple of decades. If you grew up watching the Skins you would know they won all their Championships on the back of a stout o-line. The closest thing they have had to a franchise QB since Sonny was Joe Theisman, who came to the Skins through the CFL as a punt returner.

It would be absurd for them to use both the 1rst and 2nd pick on QB's. A chimpanzee could figure that out! If you're going to call yourself "sports guru"
you really should be smarter than a chimp.

Posted by: wdcdave | April 15, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"Would you throw away a franchise QB by taking a shot at a Left Tackle? We had a dominant Left Tackle with Chris Samuels... how many super bowls did that get us? Exactly!

Posted by: Sports_Guru"

You mean a franchise QB like Heath Shuler?
Nobody argued with that pick at the time, infact, he may have been more highly touted than Bradford at the time.

Besides Sean Taylor, Chris Samuels is the best 1rst round pick the skins have made in a couple of decades. If you grew up watching the Skins you would know they won all their Championships on the back of a stout o-line. The closest thing they have had to a franchise QB since Sonny was Joe Theisman, who came to the Skins through the CFL as a punt returner.

It would be absurd for them to use both the 1rst and 2nd pick on QB's. A chimpanzee could figure that out! If you're going to call yourself "sports guru"
you really should be smarter than a chimp.

Posted by: wdcdave | April 15, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I can see us trading AH, JC and maybe Carter to the Rams for the 1st pick. Its win win...Rams get 3 quality players that we don't want or need (and fill areas of need for them) instead of one expensive risky player
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Or the Rams could draft Suh (younger, cheaper than AH without the attitude) and still get Campbell for a 4th round pick. Of course why would the Rams want Campbell?? No one else does. Better for them to draft Bradford.. and get AH if they want him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 15, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, surely you know that dlhaze1 is trying to tell you "enough with the JC bashing". You and others were right - JC is now just a backup and most likely will be a backup if he goes elsewhere. Can we leave him alone now? He is yesterdays news, but d@mn near every post of yours reminds us all of your dislike of JC. It is not funny anymore - it is starting to look like you have issues that may require professional help. Sovine8, Redskinshead and Boyzn1 have moved on to other players to ridicule and show disdain to, but not you. You are stuck on JC. You are acting like a jilted woman - you won't let it go! C'mon man!!! Breathe in - breathe out.. wax on, wax off, woosai - do something to calm your nerves. The season will start soon enough, and after the 4th or 5th game - you can direct your anger toward DM5. He!! you may be wishing JC were under center!!

Posted by: SPUD2 | April 15, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

P F T dot com
I must copy and paste now
J Reid on R I

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 15, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about it, grabbing Bradford at Number 4 makes the most sense for the long haul.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | April 15, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

No it doesn't. making people think we are willing to do it does. our picks value goes up.

Posted by: follybeach | April 15, 2010 1:22 PM

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Yup! I believe that's the Skins management's game plan. Hopefully a few other teams would bite!

HTTR!

Posted by: alucard1 | April 15, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Smoke screens, Shanahan.
Hampsters are turning their wheels.
Speculation rules.

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 15, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

My point had nothing to do with Millen.. It was the fact of selecting a "value position / pick" in the First round.

Put it another way, what did the Bills get for their former 1st round pick, Mike Williams? Nothing..zilch.. What will the Skins get for their former 1st rounder.. maybe a 4th? Why? He is a "value pick". Touches the ball..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse
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Oh yeah? That's just plain wrong. Example: "And with the #2 overall pick, the San Diego Chargers select Ryan Leaf."

"And with the #3 overall pick, the Washington Redskins select Heath Shuler."

What matters with a top 5 pick is that you get an outstanding, 10 year starter, pro-bowl caliber player. It doesn't have to be a player who touches the ball.

Example: "And with the #3 overall pick, the Clevland Browns select Joe Thomas." How about that guy named Sean Taylor? Nobody would argue that either of them weren't worth it.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | April 15, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

And with the fourth pick,
Washington Redskins select....
Jason Pierre-Paul.
:(

Posted by: iH8dallas | April 15, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

While I believe draft picks are important, they involve a high degree of uncertainty.
-----Posted by: manlius1

there is always uncertaity, and yes, there is a track record of hits and miss.

no one is perfect, but if year in and out, you have a bunch of picks and can't make a competitive team; that means you have to fire your scout dept and coaches. if you miss most of the times it has alot to do with the scouts you have on your team.

Steelers have been competitive for decades, and don't get attached too much to players, and if they can trade for picks, they'll do it, they understand the value of draft picks; yes you can trade for proven players here and there, but not treat those as if they're draft picks, buying players left and right, making it seem like a shopping spree.

Redskins have a bad reputation for that, and shopping for proven free agents haven't gotten us anywhere. I'm not going to critize our new management and coaches, there doing interesting moves, not dealing over the board contracts; but I have to admit I saw flashbacks of the cerrato era, by giving away a 2nd round pick; I hope starting next year we start valuing our draft picks, and build our team that way before filling holes with free agents.

the cowboys roster is composed of 90% draft picks, with talented players on key positions! how about that!

you can preach whatever you want, draft picks are key with the right scouts!

Posted by: slvtruco21 | April 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

There will also be opportunities after the draft to fill some holes. Some good players will be released after the draft and after June 1st. We could get a good OLineman then as well. But how cool to have such an early pick. There will be GREAT players available at #4, and we need help at most positions. I would prefer that we dont get a QB. Id rather get a guy who can start immediatly and dominate at whatever position he plays.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | April 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Hearing a lot of talk now how NcNabb is not signing an extention. and with maybe a lockout next year.. this to me says we have to think McNabb could be one year and gone. Cause think of it.. maybe he really wants Minnesota.. Childress is there, better OL, WR's RB and defense.. and if this is Favre last year McNabb could be planning of being an unrestricted FA after this year and go anywhere he wants... So if Redskins can get LT by other means maybe drafting Clausen.. if Shanahan really likes him.. is not that crazy of an idea afterall...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 15, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Let's have some fun here....nothing serious, OK? Offer the Rams Soup, Santana Moss and Chris Cooley for the #1 pick and the Rams 3rd rounder. Rams get a starting QB = a starting Pro Bowl wide out and a starting Pro Bowl tight end. We get Bradford with the first pick and Okung with the fourth.

Posted by: rastines | April 15, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's have some fun here....nothing serious, OK? Offer the Rams Soup, Santana Moss and Chris Cooley for the #1 pick and the Rams 3rd rounder. Rams get a starting QB
Posted by: rastines
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I know this was offered as fun but IF Rams wanted Campbell as their starting QB they could have got him for a 4th round pick weeks ago and still had the number 1 pick.. In fun or not the Rams don't want Campbell.. besides if the Ram GM gave up Bradford for Campbell the fans there would kill them...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

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