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NFL Europe Update

Our guy Casey Bramlet, feeling the heat from the addition of a few new QBs on the roster perhaps, turned it on over in Germany and was NFL Europa offensive player of the week. Jared, a helpful PR guy with the NFL, sent me over a file of updates on how the Skins kids are doing over there, so I'm going to funnel that info to you guys, cause, well, in the end I suppose that's my job.

Here's Jared's report

Bramlet was 18 for 27, 220 yards and 3 touchdowns (rating of 113.2) and added a 6-yard run. Bramlet is the second-highest rated passer in NFL Europa (94.7) and has the league's highest completion percentage (64.4). In addition to Bramlet, here's how the other allocatedRedskins fared in Week 4 action:

WR CEDRIC BONNER, Rhein Fire
Did not play at Hamburg .

QB CASEY BRAMLET, Hamburg Sea Devils
Started and hit on 18 of 27 attempts for 220 yards and 3 touchdowns. Compiled a passer rating of 113.2. Added a 6-yard run.

WR RYAN HOAG, Berlin Thunder
Did not see playing time after being placed on IR.

G KILI LEFOTU, Cologne Centurions
Started at right guard for the fourth week in a row.

DT BRYANT SHAW, Berlin Thunder
Started and recorded 1 tackle.

As for other Skins news, I heard the team was pretty impressed with Brian Westbrook's kid brother, Byron. and if/when they create a little more roster room to sign a defensive player or two, he will get a real good look. Westbrook, another lad with local ties, was a corner at Salisbury. I also get the feeling they might sign another undrafted LB or two who they had in rookie camp last weekend.

Keep an eye on Nick Bunting (Tulsa), Zach Latimer (Oklahoma) and Mario Reese (Minnesota) - not all of them but maybe two of them - as possible guys to join the team in the next few weeks.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 9, 2007; 3:06 PM ET
 
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Comments

gotta love it

Posted by: yippers | May 9, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Wonder who the "1st" goofball will be this time?

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

WR CEDRIC BONNER, Rhein Fire
Did not play at Hamburg .

WR RYAN HOAG, Berlin Thunder
Did not see playing time after being placed on IR.

DT BRYANT SHAW, Berlin Thunder
Started and recorded 1 tackle.
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exciting prospects there.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Don't sell Bryant Shaw short! I read that he had a sack also!

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I was first and stole the idiots' thunder

Posted by: yippers | May 9, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe if we sign Zach Latimer, we can lead the NFL in "Zachs" on the roster along with "Todds".

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Gotta support the Wyoming guy (Bramlet).

We don't have much to cheer about here in Wyoming. The only other people from here you have ever heard of are Curt Gowdy and Dick Cheney.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 9, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

From an earlier Jason thread - posted a few days ago.

"other than they will sign three-five kids on defense in the next week from the weekend's workout but seem to have pretty good numbers on the other side of the ball with the addition of Hilton, Blaylock and the new WR for depth at camp."

I still haven't figured out who the "new WR for depth' is. Anyone know?

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

If you haven't had a chance to watch him play, you would be quite suprised. He had one hell of a scramble this past weekend. If you get a chance to watch the games, they are on NFL Network. Bramlett will compete for our #3 if one of the vet's gets cut.

Posted by: Frank (Los Angeles) | May 9, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

1 out of 2 ain't bad, wyoming

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cheyenne -

In the "beating a dead horse" category - if the Redskins had not given away so many draft picks, maybe you could have been rooting for John Wendling this year too.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Im not too upset about the John Wendling kid...we are getting an Olive Garden!

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 9, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

chris larry,

"OK: I am going to get petty- We are not bloggers!!!!"

So what are we?

Posted by: charlie | May 9, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of NFL Network, why can't I get it? I've called my cable company twice and they never have answers for me. I can watch 10 different iterations of the discovery channel, but not a channel dedicated to America's favorite sport? Ridiculous!

Posted by: jon (nyc) | May 9, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

You left off Buffalo Bill Cody, James Watt, and Jackson Pollock. It is a pretty short list, though. Mostly Indian chiefs and mountain men. Bramlet may top it.

But, your name is familiar to us, Cheyenne.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Bramlett would be a great addition to a "dink and dunk" offense. He's got that whole Brunell thing going for him. (Scrambling ability, not so good arm, weird arm mechanics.)

Hey, what happened to that big ES "500 protest posts" threat for today? I guess you can't depend on those turkeys for anything good. We sure could use some help getting to 100,000 by training camp - LMGO!


Okay, I'd better call it a day before I REALLY irritate someone.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Jon (nyc), the NFL Network is the best! Don't know why you can't get it but I do remember them talking last year about the fact that many people in NYC could not get the channel.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

P.S. i wonder if we can get a special update from "Jared" on Mother's Day jewelry specials.

And a special shout-out to Ricky Bobby! Love that chicken from Popeye's!


(Okay, I am really leaving now!)

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

We are not bloggers - We are DEVO.

Posted by: DEVO | May 9, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Cyn Cyty around here lately? Was she around on draft weekend? She is like "our big toe".

Posted by: Just wonderin' | May 9, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Jon,

You can't get it because your cable company won't pay the NFL to show it. The NFL ratched up the pressure on cable companies last year when they started showing Thursday night games, leaving a lot of irate customers calling to ask "Why?"

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

no, no, no, its not the nfl networks fault - a bunch of the cable companies want to charge premium channel prices for nfl network so they can make more money (the greedy cable bastids) but the nfl wants the cable operators to include nfl network in basic packages so everyone can see them like they see espn - complain to your cable operators, it is there fault

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Say, any of you geeks on here know where I can get a tasty New York style pizza at a reasonable price around here?

Posted by: daveb55 | May 9, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

3 brothers, or whatever its called - good stuff

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Zach Latimer is already on the roster.

He was one of the 7 guys who got a contract after the draft was not a try-out.

I was just going to say...they haven't signed any actual rookies from this try-out camp yet. It's just been veterans.

Last year, they added Espy, Sykes, and Manapuna from that camp, all rookie try-outs.

Not so this year.

Let's hope they are getting around to it. They could use some fresh legs.

Westbrook could be one...I heard Williams praising him on Redskins.com. Sounded to me like they had plans for him...otherwise I doubt The Extra G is for Genius would have said that stuff about him.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | May 9, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Um, yes, Zach Latimer is already on the roster. Signed last week by the Skins.

Posted by: Federico Fellini | May 9, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Charlie:

We are commentors, readers, users, diciples....

Devo:

Classic answer....

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear fellow New Yorkers,

If you get directv, you'll get NFL network.

Directv is wonderful.

If you can't get satellite in your building, move to a small bldg in Brooklyn like I did.

Everyone should be like me.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Salisbury??
Go Gulls!

Posted by: Coskins | May 9, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

F Direct TV....

The NFL's exclusive contract with them is one of the worst things in sports. If I could buy NFL package via Time Warner cable I would pay whatever price they set, but noooooooo they have a contract with the most ass backwards technology available...anyone in the local DC area wanna be my slingbox provider next season?!

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Did you run into a reciever over there named Lauren Williams, brother of Deyon? How is he doing?

Posted by: galexwise.comcast.net | May 9, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Charlie:

We are commentors, readers, users, diciples....

Devo:

Classic answer....

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 04:46 PM


We are C.R.U.D.!!! And some of us can't spell disciples.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 9, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

F spelling

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

They could use some fresh legs.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | May 9, 2007 04:11 PM

If anybody can use fresh legs, it's me.

Posted by: Larry Flynt | May 9, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

F the off-season

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

the blog is dead. long live the blog

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Cyn Cyty around here lately? Was she around on draft weekend? She is like "our big toe".


I thought Sergent Hulka was our Big Toe

Posted by: OC Skins | May 9, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

buttlickin

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

It would only take 1 bullet for Jack Bauer to kill 50 Cent

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

When you are f**ing your wife and she is thinking about Jack Bauer, its ok, because so are you

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Jack Bauer once shot himeself 10 times, just to prove 50 cent is a b*tch.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The NFL Network is a great channel (the America's Game series was wonderful), but of course those greedy cable bastards won't let me watch it.

And with the addition of actual NFL games, there's no reason the cable companies can't find a spot for it on the basic cable tier.

Of course, the cable companies like Time Warner will continue to hide behind excuses when in reality all they want to do is charge ridiculous prices so that the consumer will have to pay more to watch NFL Network.

If I could get DirecTV, I would.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

doesn't anyone post with a name anymore?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

alot of anonymous ones in here today...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 9, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

They're just being careful - Homeland Security might be monitoring this blog

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 9, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Dick Cheney again this week was in the hospital. He was experiencing discomfort in his leg. And the doctor asked Cheney if he stretches. Cheney said, 'Are you kidding? I linked 9/11 with Saddam Hussein

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm honored merely to be considered for the coveted title of big toe ... I've had a wicked bad cold for the last week.

Posted by: Cindy | May 9, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

They should require a registration to be able to post here. A simple e-mail address and user name would do good.

I do like the Jack Bauer comments though. Funny!

Posted by: BIGfish | May 9, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

What did Cinderella say when she got to the Ball?.......Aaaaack

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Most of these questions were ignored on the last post, so I'm going to republish here in the hope of getting some answers:

I have a few questions

1. Does anyone know the year-by-year terms of Sean Taylor's deal? Some say 6-year, some say 7 with a voidable year 7, some just say 7.

2. Does anyone know what can cause year 7 be voided? Since the contract isn't guaranteed, I'm assuming it can be voided by either Taylor or the team.

3. Has Taylor met any of the incentives in his contract in the first 3 years he has played? The press covered Taylor's original deal as an $18 million contract that could be boosted to $40 million if Taylor met incentives.

4. One of the incentives listed is making the Pro Bowl - Taylor made it to the Pro Bowl as an alternate last year - did this qualify him for an incentive bonus?

5. Various news sources say the contract is expected to actually turn out to be a 4 year contract - anyone know the exact reasons why this is the general consensus?

Posted by: mugamack | May 9, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

In declaring himself to be the best defensive end in the NFL, Osi Umenyiora of the Giants said (from a prepared statement): "To prove this fact, I will have one of the best seasons ever for a defensive end. If not, I will jump off the George Washington Bridge. I do not want to jump off the George Washington Bridge because it will be detrimental to my health."


And we thought D.Evans was going too far!

Posted by: kost52 | May 9, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Vegetarian folks, Are you all aware of these Amy's brand ready to eat meals? I'm sure you are because I find that I'm generally behind the times on stuff like this, but check them out if you haven't. The enchiladas are amazing. No meat.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan they are called MRE. And they taste awful! But when you are living in the woods for two weeks of training anything taste good. lol

Posted by: jm220 | May 9, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

crickets......

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game in Hamburg this past weekend. Bramlet's got some game...post-game interviewer asked him where he was going to party afterwards. Gotta love NFL Europe.

Posted by: Alex | May 9, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Gee, the Westbrook family is very creative with their names aren't they.....Brian & Byron, they also have a sister named Briony. Their dog's name is Brain.

Posted by: kost52 | May 9, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the post, Jla, even though you are off this week. I hope all the ES nerds are happy now. Personally, I'd like to hear about some more JlaSoul DeepCutz music pics. That and how Chloe and Rocco are doing. Much more interesting than Ryan Hoag not playing this week.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | May 9, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Automatic ITA on anon posts.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | May 9, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I resent that!

Posted by: Ryan Hoag | May 9, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

What did Cinderella say when she got to the Ball?

Posted by: | May 9, 2007 07:13 PM

I'm not touching it because Sean Taylor maybe nearby.

Posted by: charlie | May 9, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

yikes!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

ITA? Could someone please fill me on on what this stands for?

Thanks

Posted by: Dante | May 9, 2007 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Ignore "The A$$ Clowns"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse


Paris team folds fast:
Porous defense, no offense.
"C'est la vie," they pout.

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 9, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Was this Vinny's first draft? Very telling if it was.

1 2 LaVar Arrington OLB Penn St.
1 3 Chris Samuels OT Alabama
3 64 Lloyd Harrison CB North Carolina St.
4 129 Michael Moore OG Troy St.
5 155 Quincy Sanders S UNLV
6 202 Todd Husak QB Stanford
7 216 Delbert Cowsette DT Maryland
7 250 Ethan Howell WR Oklahoma St.

1999 Results

Posted by: oc skins | May 9, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse


NFL Europe:
Who says Prussian spirit dead?
Sprechen Sie "league champs?"

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 9, 2007 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I wish I could get the NFL Network!

Posted by: kost52 | May 9, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't you love the stats you get as an O Lineman -

"G KILI LEFOTU, Cologne Centurions
Started at right guard for the fourth week in a row."

Surely they could come up with a stat, like the QB rating, which takes into account average rushing yards in your immediate vicinity, how many sacks/TFL's you give up, holding penalties etc. Give the big boys something! Starts, come on now...

Posted by: kost52 | May 9, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Well, I think we've said just about all there is to be said about NFL Europa... so Berman is wrong when he calls his segment "the fastest three minutes ".

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Not exactly creating a flowing conversation is it Cload!

Posted by: kost52 | May 9, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

FYI-Report from Redskins Park:

Kelli Johnson from Comcast Sportnet just reported on Sean Taylor and Shawn Springs. She said she spoke with several players and they are not concerned about Taylor not being at the OTAs..and they do not think it has anything to do with a contract holdout....it's just Sean doing his thing...he's kind of a loner. The players indicated to Kelli that talks may already be going on regarding a new deal with Taylor.

Even better news regarding Springs: Kelli spoke with him and he said everything is good....he has spoken with Gibbs many times and the coaches understand that he is working out in AZ and will be here in a few weeks. Springs said that everything is fine...he's happy and he will be a Redskin.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the update, Lisa. I saw the end of the clip with London Fletcher, but didn't see anything else.

I hope things work out smoothly. I really believe the D can be good, at a minimum, with those 2 guys back. It'll be a fun season with a solid secondary.

Posted by: JustMe | May 9, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

From HB's article today: "Sources added that Director of Player Personnel Vinny Cerrato and Taylor's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, had been in discussions in recent weeks regarding a contract extension for Taylor, whose contract expires after the 2008 season."

So my problem is and continues to be that (a) he should probably be here -- it's what leaders do; and (b) he has to at least call in and let the staff know what to expect. That's all part of growing up and being an adult.

It's pretty hard to believe there's no hard feelings between Springs and the team, but I don't see how a trade could help the team; and there is ZERO chance of him getting cut. His base salary is reasonable for a #1 corner; it's the $2.5M/year signing bonus allocation that hammers the cap.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

(b) he has to at least call in and let the staff know what to expect. That's all part of growing up and being an adult.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 11:05 PM

**********************************

This just reinforces a thought I had last season when Portis was all over the tv complaining to anyone who would listen that he didn't feel he should have been playing in the preseason game. These guys are so out of touch with reality and how real people operate in the real world that they never learn the "professional" behavior regular people must master to survive in the work world. They should really incoporate a session on professionalism and employment protocols into the rookie seminar.

They really just seem not to know the proper ways to conduct themselves.

Posted by: JustMe | May 9, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Justme, I totally agree. One other thing I forgot about...which I thought was interesting. Appears the coaching staff has spent a lot of time during the off season watching game film and have been basically apologetic to the D line. The coaches said they put them in an awful position last season and that it will not happen again.

Also, Philip Daniels was interviewed and he reported that he told the coaches before the draft to pick the best player on the board - whether is be a D lineman or not. Daniels said he is more than willing to be a backup if that will help the team...does not concern him whether he starts or not...he wants to help the team and will do whatever it takes. That's a classy guy.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

So my problem is and continues to be that (a) he should probably be here -- it's what leaders do; and (b) he has to at least call in and let the staff know what to expect. That's all part of growing up and being an adult.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 11:05 PM

Hmmmm... and do you have any idea what a phone call like that would be?

Sean: "Coach, I'm not coming to the voluntary camp."

Gibbs: "OK Sean. We'll see you soon."

Somehow I doubt that. The truth is we all know these camps are "voluntary" only to a degree. Why else so much excitement when someone misses?

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | May 9, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Daniels has always struck me as a stand up guy. He and Wynn seemed to be truly hurt that the team played so badly last season. I really believe if he felt it was a result of the Dline playing poorly that he would have said so. Hopefully, he'll have a much better season this year -- especially since he was able to work out the way he likes in the offseason.

Posted by: JustMe | May 9, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Wynn was interviewed as well and also threw in his support. Supposedly (and hopefully) the coaching staff learned a lot about the D line from watching the game film from last season...and it was apparent to them they put the players in a bad situation.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

More like:
ST: Coach Jackson, I'm still working out on the beach. My plan is to be up for the final set of OTAs.

Jackson: Ok, Sean, I'll pass the word along.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Or:

ST: Show me the money!

Drew R: Help me Help you!

Renee Hoofenwoofer: You had me at hello!

Drew R: I'll call the Dan and let him know you'll be busy.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear that from Daniels, it's starting to sound like we have a pretty good group character-wise.

Posted by: kost52 | May 10, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Taylor should be kept as a skin, whatever it takes. But comparisons to R. Lott seem a bit pre-mature. I still think about the story where Lott volunteered to have the tip of this finger cut off in order not to miss a regular season game. He was tough.

The only guy that comes close to wanting to play that bad even with injury, was Smooty Flakes, who despite a loud mouth actually played with a fractured or severely bruised sternum, a condition with so much pain and discomfort that he had to sleep in a lazy boy recliner during the week(I think thats loyal and tough). I also think Salvea performed self surgery on his foot or something to allow his turf toe or something to heal up so he could play...tough. Jansen playing with both thumbs broken was something too.

If Sean Tay ever shows that kind of loyalty and determination, it will mean he's on track to turn the corner and become a leader. Those are the kind of players that you don't mind seeing get a new deal...

I would like to hear more about the D-Line free agents or trade prospects. Hard to imagine the Bears are looking to court the skins on a trade offer.

Posted by: DTC | May 10, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I agree DTC!

Was there a point, a cataclysmic moment, when all of a sudden, guys started playing for the money, and stopped playing for the love of the game?

An current Aussie Rules great, has just written an article

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21702512%255E19742,00.html

in it, he talks about how when he first started playing, the team was a very social place, but as professionalism has crept into the game, the socialism has crept out, and because of it players don't love playing the game as much as they used to.

Posted by: kost52 | May 10, 2007 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | May 10, 2007 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Notes -- The Redskins signed running back Derrick Blaylock and receivers Dan Melendez and Kyle Brown and placed receiver Steven Harris on injured reserve.
Blaylock had attended last weekend's minicamp on a tryout basis. He ran for career highs of 539 yards and eight touchdowns in 2004 with Kansas City, his fourth season under current Redskins associate head coach Al Saunders, before signing with the New York Jets. Blaylock, 27, will compete with holdover Rock Cartwright to be the No. 3 back behind Portis and Ladell Betts.
Melendez signed with the Chiefs as a rookie free agent last year after catching 61 passes for 891 yards and four touchdowns at Maryland. He participated in the final day of minicamp Sunday.
Brown also was a rookie free agent with the Chiefs last summer. He had 88 catches for 1,329 yards and six touchdowns at Michigan State.
Harris, who spent most of the past two years on Washington's practice squad, tore his left ACL during Friday's practice. (Wash. Times)

Posted by: The Crickets | May 10, 2007 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Can we stop this crap about calling players selfish and "me first"? The teams use these guys like panties, don't have to honor contracts, ask for them to take pay cuts all the time and cut them to save a buck and sign the newest toy...

Not to mention that its documented football takes years off your life, ravages your body and as current lawsuits show getting money/benifits out of the NFL when these dudes get older is areal mess...

The reason players from past generations played for "love of the game" was b/c the owners paid nothing and for most of the players rgeir other vocational option was a factory.

So were going to kill these guys for getting the best deals and thinking about themselves and families in the 3-5 year window they have??? PULLLEEZZZZ

And for all this "professionalism" BS....I like to see most of us at 23 with fame, millions act right....give me a break....

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Can we stop this cr*p about calling players selfish and "me first"? The teams use these guys like panties, don't have to honor contracts, ask for them to take pay cuts all the time and cut them to save a buck and sign the newest toy...

Not to mention that its documented football takes years off your life, ravages your body and as current lawsuits show getting money/benefits out of the NFL when these dudes get older is areal mess...

The reason players from past generations played for "love of the game" was b/c the owners paid nothing and for most of the players other vocational option was a factory.

So were going to kill these guys for getting the best deals and thinking about themselves and families in the 3-5 year window they have??? PULLLEEZZZZ

And for all this "professionalism" BS....I like to see most of us at 23 with fame, millions act right....give me a break....

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 7:50 AM | Report abuse

sorry double soapbox move....

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 7:52 AM | Report abuse

chris Larry, you had me at 'panties.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

cl;

I do not subscribe to the notion "And for all this "professionalism" BS....I like to see most of us at 23 with fame, millions act right....give me a break...."

How is it hard to ak rite? Its just like your kid (or yourself) saying they/you did drugs b/c nowadays everybody does it.

I have seen many, if not most, NFL rookies who acted right with millions. Reggie Bush?

So why not hold our players to the same standard? Maybe if we as the consumer stop accepting this BS behavior and BS excuses, the product will start to reflect that.

Sorry dude, thats just a cop out

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

chris larry speaks the truth. Even though his name is two first names. The NFL union rep is not a very good advocate. Who was it in the media who made that comment about Upshaw? It was a little nasty if I remember correctly, but the point was valid.

The thing is, the NFL is a little microcosm of society that is really whacky. For players, it's heavy on money, extremely short-lived success and a very very fast life full of extreme physical abuse and mental abuse from the media. This is a really big topic for another time and another blog, but I have to say that I'm one of those people who says: blame the game, not the player. I stopped listening to sports radio because I can't stand listening to fans complain about how the players today are greedy, show no love, etc (and because I can't stand Mike and Mike)...It's a very deep social issue, so I'll just leave it at that.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

chris larry,

All of the Redskins have exactly the same job characteristics and risks that you mention. And all of them, except Taylor and Springs, are out at Redskins Park doing their jobs and trying to improve the team. Taylor and Springs are the exceptions. They "have issues," and their way of dealing with them is to abandon their teammates. Compared to their teammates, they are selfish "me firsters".

NFL players are in a union. They have negotiated job rights and they have bargaining rights to handle grievances. They earn higher salaries than the honors graduates of their universities. They sign contracts which they freely negotiate. The best ones, like Taylor and Springs, (and some of the worst ones, like Lloyd) get large upfront payments before they ever report to work. Most of the players honor their contracts. It is the few who don't, who disrupt the team, that we characterize as "me firsters."

They do not have guaranteed employment. If they don't perform up to the level at which they are being paid, they will lose their job or they will get a pay cut. Welcome to the real world. Do you have a job with guaranteed employment? Most of us don't.

Posted by: KK | May 10, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Spot on KK;

And if you listen to John Jansens interview on Redskins.com TV with the greatest host Larry Michael (Bring back Frank!!)..... Jansen said that it is voluntary, but it is customary to come in and show your teammates that you are serious about making us a winner.

From the teammates mouth. So we can all supposition, but it is Jansen and the team who are affected, so I defer to his view.

Thank you, Good Day

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

cL -- when I was 23, I was making $20K in a throwaway job. But I was able to find a phone in those halcyon pre-cellphone days and tell the office if I wasn't coming in.

I'd say it's even more important if you have $20M on the line, you want a bigger check, and you're about to enter the negotiations for the biggest contract of your life. Your price goes up if you do the right things, and I think that Next Question should be telling him these exact things.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 10, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

cload and daggar,

My own bet is that Next Question is telling him exactly these things. But, Next Question works for Sean, and not the other way around. Sean is a strong-willed and immature man who treats agents like panties. He hasn't made a good decision yet, and I doubt he listens to reason.

Posted by: KK | May 10, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

KK, you are so off the mark about Springs. Heck, according to reports his name has been suggested as trade bait for almost every team out there! Ridiculous! Did anyone notice how badly we played without him last season? And then to continually talk about trading him? If you heard that your employer was trying to ship you to a competitor would you be so eager to come in for "voluntary meetings"???

Also, as I wrote in a earlier post, Springs has been in touch with the coaches and made them well aware of his absence. He plans to join the team in a few weeks.

Posted by: Lisa | May 10, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Lisa;

Why dont you tell us your real feelings? ;)

Im not sayin, Im just sayin

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

KK, Cload and PDsquared,

Your line of thinking really speaks to none of my points other than knee jerk arm charir moralism that is getting so tired really...

Keep being "offended" and "outraged"

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

If I wanted to stick with my employer, I would not only come to the OTAs but I would be the first one there and the last to leave. If, on the other hand, I was looking forward to my next gig, then I'd stay in Arizona and avoid working with the team. I think Springs has shown how much he cares about being with the Redskins.

Yes, we played much worse when Springs wasn't playing. No doubt. No one disputes that. He's a brilliant defender when he's healthy. The point is that the guy gets injured too often to justify the pay that he's demanding.

Posted by: KK | May 10, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Chris larry;

It has NOTHING to do with Moralism. Its called being an adult. Im not 'offended' or 'outraged' by Taylor or your defense of his actions.

It is obvious some people get it and others dont.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I am cranky up here today so I am going to just let fly...

I hate this saying: "Why dont you tell us your real feelings? "

Its such a hey I am going to belittle you for just having a strong opinion. PDssquared we have to hear your verbal puking and empty moralizing so let Lisa bring it back strong to the hole!

And by the way fake PD this statement show you don't siht:

"I have seen many, if not most, NFL rookies who acted right with millions. Reggie Bush?"

The Reggie Bush who taunted defenses on the field? The Reggie Bush who was taking kickbacks the whole time at USC? The Reggie Bush who might get USC's championship revoked like Chris Webber retroactively wiping away the Fab Five's accomplishments?

And I LIKE Reggie Bush but throwing out that example is just stupid, and par for course on your arguements...

And F OTAs last year the Skins had 100 compliance with this "team building" garabage where that get'em?!?!?!

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I figured out the skins problem,

If we just had guys who "got it" like Fake PD and KK we'd have a lunch pail bunch who came to work everyday and took orders like good soldiers we'd be 16-0!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

And F OTAs last year the Skins had 100 compliance with this "team building" garabage where that get'em?!?!?!

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 09:46 AM

Chris Larry - that statement is dead on! They made the playoffs 2 seasons ago when OTA participation was not 100%

KK, I've heard Springs interviewed many times about his future with the Skins and the trade talks. He has been classy throughout and has stated he wants to play for the Skins but he realizes it is a business and they will have to do what they have to do. He has not been disrespectful to his teammates in any way. In fact, the Skins have been disrespectful to him. He probably did not want to have to address the media about the continued trade talks over and over again which is what would be happening if he was here.

I'm not just saying this because of how much I like him....would say it about any player that has been treated like he has by the Skins FO.

Posted by: Lisa | May 10, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

If I wanted to stick with my employer, I would not only come to the OTAs but I would be the first one there and the last to leave. If, on the other hand, I was looking forward to my next gig, then I'd stay in Arizona and avoid working with the team. I think Springs has shown how much he cares about being with the Redskins.

Posted by: KK | May 10, 2007 09:37 AM

Sure, and there are some people who happily agree to work weekends when their boss asks them. And some people don't.

All the moralism being slung at Taylor speaks volumes about how "voluntary" OTAs really are. Really, either they're voluntary or not.

The absurd thing is there are people here who talk as if Spring/Taylor missing OTA is disruptive to the team, yet when you hear what the actual players say, they dismiss it as no big deal.

So who should we believe? The all-knowing bloggers or the players themselves??

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | May 10, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I think it was gerry glanville who said NFL "stands for not for long"

It is a balancing act between teams and players.Not much long term loyalty either way.at the end of the day its a business on both the players and teams part to max thier short term opportunity. Good franchises build teams with good short term loyalty and then work hard to turn most of thier roster over every 3/4yrs. durring this process they evaluate the few key guys to keep and 45-50 guys to replace with new better cheaper guys.they key is to make the right evaluations to get the right team oriented talented guys even though most of them will be short term (the players also know this).

Posted by: Old School | May 10, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

No CL, you missed the point of my statement to Lisa. It is b/c she has a bias because she likes him.

I guess I should have said 'tell us your personal feelings'.

And I am sure Lisa doesnt need your defense of her. She has always brought the truth. I have never disputed that. Maybe you have a little blog crush on her? And if she feels that it was condescending, she will tell me.

I mentioned Reggie Bush not for what he did in college. I mentioned him not for doing what is a part of the game, taunting defenses. I am sure he has been taunted.

The point was millions did not go to his head, he has been very prominent in NO for Katrina relief. Which is in direct opposition to your original point "Id like to see most of us at 23 with fame, millions act right....give me a break..."

And to your last point you are going to blame our season on OTA's? I would say it was the late start of the training camp which got us schalacked in the PreSeason. Plus the injury bug.

So maybe you should read and understand before you get YOUR panties in a bunch and 'let things fly'

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

who killed the blog?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Johnnie;

I mentioned above to see Jansens interview yesterday. He said that they are voluntary, ut it is customary to come in and show your teammates that you are serious about making us a winner.

Its on Redskins.com. And that is why I defer to Jansens opinion. You really dont hear anyone mentioning it b/c they dont want to seem like they are calling out a teammate. But Jansen, the consummate leader he is, said it slightly and with tact, but while it wasnt a call out, it got the point across.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Johnnie Futbol,

I'm willing to believe the players: "Jansen said that it is voluntary, but it is customary to come in and show your teammates that you are serious about making us a winner."

Posted by: KK | May 10, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Aren't you guys aware that there's NHL playoffs going on right now?

Posted by: Olaf Kolzig | May 10, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Yo Fake PD,

What did I misread when YOU ADMIT YOU DIDNT WRITE WHAT YOU MEAN?!?!

Also your such a lame insulter....my blog crush on Lisa? If you had been on the blog for awhile you'd know Lisa and I have had many of battles, like you should have known not to steal other peoples blog names.

On Bush, he knew how to deal with money pre-NFL b/c he had already BEEN PAID IN COLLEGE! And ask his teammates how they felt when his taunting pissed off the Bears in the NFC Championship game, that was a real "class move" and helped the 'team'

My original point was maybe try to be a bit more analytical like Old School or nyskinsfan who are able to contextualize these things a bit instead of the kind of knee jerk bone head talk radio caller crap huh?

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I will add my usual disclosure.... team building is really getting thev right QB/Coach combo cause they are your real long term guys, the rest are spare parts, some a little more valuable then others but still just parts of the machine.

so lisa/ others you can defend springs but his time here is almost up (this year or next) daniels, wynn, pretty soon jansen, samuals on and on and on its a converyer belt that never stops so if you like the team root for the uniforms and don't fall in love with anyone (long term) cause they are all gonna go and hopefully replaced by someone who is better.

Posted by: Old School | May 10, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you Old School. It's kind of depressing knowing you can't really have a "favorite player" anymore. There is the rare occasional franchise QB but other than that the team is made up of interchangable parts. Players have no loyalty anymore. While I do appreciate the "any given sunday" concept of the league, I can't help but wonder if things wouldn't be better if free agency and salaray cap and al that had never been instituted.

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

All the more reason to appreciate Darrell Green, who will probably be one of the last players in the league to have a career that good, for that long, with just one team.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah CL;

I got on this blog 5 months ago and did not know there was another PDiddy. Sorry I am not clairvoyant. So I guess you are the gate keeper of the blog, and you control who comes and who goes?

I did not admit to not saying what I meant. Maybe if I had wrote it differently you would have understood the point. Lisa caught it in her last post with her last line "I'm not just saying this because of how much I like him....would say it about any player that has been treated like he has by the Skins FO". Anyway that point is dead.

Just b/c u have battles does not mean you dont have a blog crush on Lisa. Remember 10 years ago when you were in 5th grade and you would hit the girl you liked? Its kinda like that.

Your retort about Bush's pre-college was really a waste of time. And this was not about what he did in that game. It was getting millions out of college and doing the good things with it. Giving back to the community.

And I really dont understand how you can characterize the reaction of the three peeps you called out knee-jerk. Really, your point is just a way of justifying Sean Taylors actions. Many players take that path, most dont. So even if its what others do, does that mean it is right?

See http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/specious

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

And Old School, speaking of 'not for long', Jerry Glanville is the new head coach of the Portland State Vikings. Not quite as dramatic as seeing George Allen Sr. at Long Beach State, but quite a comedown nonetheless.

Will post up here if I see any stories about his leaving tickets for Elvis at the PGE Park will call window.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,
lets be honest, you are a little blinded by your self-admitted affection for Springs that you can't speak objectively. :) It really doesn't matter that he has permission...it doesn't matter that the practices are voluntary...It doesn't even matter that the front office may have been shoping him around. All that matters is a players rep with his teammates. Obviously, that is not a major issue for Springs. Personally, he may be the best corner we have; but, coming off of an injury plagued he needs to shut up and put up.

Posted by: vaskinzfan | May 10, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

And last point, since i have said it twice. We can sit here and argue our position, but really it is the team and his teammates who are affected. And from Jansens mouth, there is an underlying resentment that they came to work like men, and ST is being a petulant little child.

So, my position, whatever it may be or have been in tha past is irrelevant.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

There were two reasons I fell in love with the 'skins being the NY native that I am. Darrell Green and Art Monk. It killed me to see Monk in another uniform. But yeah I really appreciate guys like those two more now seeing what has happened within the league. But I know it isn't all on the players. It never ceases to amaze me how an organization will decide they do not want to resign a player who has been with the team for a few years but will sign almost the same type of player for more money. How does that benefit the team, the league, or the player?

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Lisa/Others

I don't want to be accused of being mean or callous. I understand how you feel about certain players.

I have been a diehard redskin fan my entire life . Every person who knows me or has ever known me understands how important this team is to me.my first memories of the skins were in 1968 (Lombardi) i idolized Larry Brown wore (43 in high school and college). My dad and his family are from DC. I grew up in carlisle, Pa and used to go to redskin practices.One day when i was seven a friend of mine and I were walking home when a convertible mustang pulled up next to us. the driver asked if we wanted to go for a ride and get an ice cream, my friend and I just looked at each other we couldn't say a word, the driver pushed open the passenger door and kinda waved his hand as if to say come on, its ok. The driver was Sonny Jurgeson. I wished that ride and that ice cream Cone would have never ever ended. to this day that is one of my fondest memories.

Posted by: Old School | May 10, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

OK Fake PD lets agree to disagre on this point:

I am right and your and idiot...

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

JLC needs to write a new post soon. Having nothing new to talk about makes everyone feisty.

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh and by the way Fake PD it was more like 25 years ago when I was in the 5th grade....

Old School is the bomb

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

What wrong with feisty?

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Not showing up to OTAs is not 'having issues' nor is it 'abandoning your teammates'. You guys need to get a grip.

Is such behavior regrettable? Yes. Is it significant in the bigger NFL picture? Absolutely not.

Everyone on the team understands why the Miami guys spend the off season in Miami, and why Springs is on his own. You should too.

If these are our biggest off the field problems, I consider us lucky.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

old school, did you go to Dickinson or just live in carlisle, fond memories of gingerbread man and another bar right near there.

Posted by: connskins | May 10, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

CL, I am done argueing with you. But I will say this, when you make a statement like your second to last, about who is an idiot,
maybe you should use spell check because is it you are or you're... not your.

I will chalk up the missing e on disagree and extra d on an to you being fiesty.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

CL, you sure seem full of anger.

Like PD, I have been up in here for about 5 months. You rarely have anything interesting to say, other than to point out other peoples faults or lob insults.

Try decaf or nice Asian massage, with a full release, it may take the edge off.

Posted by: k Squared | May 10, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Feisty is fine, otherwise I wouldn't have an italian/irish girlfriend. However, I think it is trumped by Redskins info whether it is FA signings or qb performances in NFL Europe.

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

vaskinzfan, while I admit to being a huge Springs fan, that is truly not why I'm making the argument. I would say the same about any other player that has been treated the way Springs has (trade talks,etc). I was upset about Lavar's treatment, letting Ryan Clark go, and most especially the way Gibbs treated Patrick Ramsey...and I'm not crushing on any of them.

Posted by: Lisa | May 10, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,
PDssquared we have to hear your verbal puking and empty moralizing so let Lisa bring it back strong to the hole! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH. Sombody got broke up

Posted by: bornskinsfan | May 10, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Here we go, a lurker throwing in his two cents with a played out saying that was cool in college or even earlier in Calvert County.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I think it's a good idea Springs stays in Arizona. As a matter of fact, just keep him away from any football fields till the season starts. I wouldn't want him being diagnosed with a hernia for simply lacing up his cleats for practice...

Posted by: CC | May 10, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

One final thought from me: It's my understanding that Jeremy Shockey never (or rarely) shows up for the Giants OTAs and Burress is doing so for the first time. Can some of you in the NY area tell me if the fans are calling for them to be cut or traded? I think not...especially Shockey.

Posted by: Lisa | May 10, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

k;

Does that Asian massage come with a happy ending?

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Just to be clear, I dont think Taylor should be cut or traded. I think he should show up.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Ok K;

You called it a full release... much more official massage sounding.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Actually, here in Syracuse I have heard nothing about the Giants and their OTAs. All we hear about is Roger joining the Yankees and the loud mouth Sox pitcher. Oh yeah, and the Sabres.

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

As a new yorker I can say there is nothing on earth that would break up the love affair between this city and their beloved, overrated, injury-prone, Shockey.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

You guys are going to make Lisa cry...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I think Sean Taylor is the real deal and has the potential to go down as one of the best at his position. My problem is his idea that he deserves a new contract. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't you supposed to earn higher pay? What did he do last year to warrant a better contract? I don't care where he spends his offseason as long as he performs. He can claim that playing Madden makes him a better football player. Just get it done on the field before making demands.

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I know soccer gets a little love on this blog, so for those who are interested...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/soccerinsider/

good video

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Gee, the Westbrook family is very creative with their names aren't they.....Brian & Byron, they also have a sister named Briony. Their dog's name is Brain.

Posted by: kost52 | May 9, 2007 07:55 PM

At least they didn't name all the kids George Foster.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 10, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure my first born will be named Voltron

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Fake PD and KK why not give eachother full release and get it over with...

PD: grammer/spelling insults are the last refuge of people with nothing to say...

KK I have had a wealth of good oints although none as "good" as your rascist native american rants, you should be very proud...

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Love that George Foster Grill.

Posted by: George Foreman | May 10, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor should go after whatever cash he can get (within reason). He signed a bad contract, his career could be over tomorrow, he should get that loot.

Seriously.

Holding out is obnoxious to us fans, but ST's gotta do what's best for his bank account. That's what this is all about. The NFL's cash, The Danny's cash, ST's cash. This is a business masked as a game, not the other way around.

Besides, this is far from TO asking for a new contract and wrecking the Eagles' whole off season one year after signing with them.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, so the team should feel sorry for Springs because his name was on the trading block this offseason? Any player can be on the trading block in any given season. It's part of the "business" as most players call it. If they are getting paid a boat load of money to perform and they don't because they can't stay healthy, then the FO has the right to treat Springs' situation as a "business" and shop him around. Being shopped around by the front office is no reason to pout and wait to make sure you're not going to get cut before you show up for OTA's. OTA's may be voluntary but whether or not a player shows up speaks volume about his attitude and professionalism, especially if he wants to extend his career with another team...

Posted by: CC | May 10, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Hill: Exactly.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 10, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry...lighten up!

This is a place for opinions? Just because you don't like someone's opinion doesn't make it crap.

It's hard to fault players for their "grab it while I can attitude" because NFL careers are very short. And, teams do throw away players when their performance drops off and/or they become too expensive. But that doesn't mean payers don't have obligations to the team and their teammates.

As for professionalism? I submit to you one Darryl Green. Nothing more need be said.

Posted by: notherNWskinsfan | May 10, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I am the heavy? Ok so be it....

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

conn

I just grew up there, actually moved to a different part of PA when i was 9.

Posted by: Old School | May 10, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know its Darrell, not Darryl. I am ashamed to have misspelled one of the most revered Redkins' name. I ask for forgiveness.

Posted by: notherNWskinsfan | May 10, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Cry me a river. The millions these guys make to play a game 4-5 months out of the year isn't enough. Sean Taylor's rookie deal guaranteed him in the neighborhood of 13M. So unless he is MC Hammer or a complete idiot he should be able to take care of his family for a couple generations at least.

Posted by: cdubb | May 10, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

No one's crying. But there's no reason ST shouldn't get all the money he can. It's what everyone else does, in every walk of life.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

That's fine ST is trying to get all the money he can, but he should let Drew take care of that. In the meantime, ST should show some respect to the coaches and his teammates by showing up for OTA's.

Posted by: CC | May 10, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

True. But whatever happened to the novel concept of pay based on performance. His performance so far does not warrant a new contract. Play like Ed Reed or BDawk this year and then he can get paid. I know where he is coming from seeing that Archuleta BS last year but just because our FO is stupid in one instance does not mean they have to be in another.

Posted by: cdubb | May 10, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Come on, Clinton. In "every walk of life," people answer to those they work for and must outperform whatever performance standards they have in place before they are given more money. So, ST is entitled to go after the money but not responsible for doing what is expected of him to get it? You've gotta be kidding.

Posted by: JustMe | May 10, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

No one's crying. But there's no reason ST shouldn't get all the money he can. It's what everyone else does, in every walk of life.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 11:39 AM

Sure, he should get all he can. Some people might have a problem with the manner in which he is going about it. Negative attention and a poor attitude seems just about right.

Posted by: k Squared | May 10, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,
non of them missed OTA's. I liked each of the players you mentioned. I too thought they had been given a bum rap; however, non of them dumped their teammates because of it.

Posted by: vaskinsfan | May 10, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Where is the dude that makes the funny Reaper jokes up here, etrod?? We need some levity from all this laptop pontificating (myself included).

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Sorry CL;

But when on a blog where people are reading your writing and then calling others out about being idiots, I think I would take the time to not look like a jackass and spell things right.

I dont know, I guess its just me, but when I open my mouth, or in this case post, I make d@mn sure well that my foot doesnt not get inserted into my mouth.

But thats okay, in your slanted little reality, there is no consequences for ones action, justifying everything with weak arguements, making statements on a blog to make you sound like a big man. So be it...

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

In the meantime, ST should show some respect to the coaches and his teammates by showing up for OTA's.

Posted by: CC | May 10, 2007 11:42 AM

Maybe the coaches and butt-kissing players like Jansen should have some respect for the word "voluntary".

Posted by: TT | May 10, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

CC, did I say anything about the Skins FO "feeling sorry" for Springs? I never said that - can't imagine where you got that from. Disrespect him? Yes. Primarily because Gibbs keeps saying that he wants him to stay with the Skins but then the next day we hear of yet another trade situation with his name as the main target.

Also for all of you moaning about Taylor not having the courtesy to let the team know he would not be in attendance, how do you know that he did not call them? He may have.

Springs did call them and has been in close contact with Gibbs all of the off season - he said as much. He also said he will be here soon. And he father is still recovering from the kidney transplant. Give a guy a break! Same for Taylor...this is flippin' voluntary OTA's! Now if they do not show up for training camp, it would be reason for all of you to complain. In my opinion, until that happens, the complaining is senseless.

Posted by: Lisa | May 10, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Cry me a river. The millions these guys make to play a game 4-5 months out of the year isn't enough. Sean Taylor's rookie deal guaranteed him in the neighborhood of 13M. So unless he is MC Hammer or a complete idiot he should be able to take care of his family for a couple generations at least.

Posted by: cdubb | May 10, 2007 11:38 AM

How bout this: The average LIFESPAN of an NFL player is mid-50's. That's 15-20 years less than the avg lifespan of an adult.

How many long-term NFL players have retired with life-long health problems related to multiple concussions, constant wear and tear to the body, etc.? An estimated 48% of NFL players retire with some form of arthritis.

As someone quoted Glanville above, the NFL has been referred to as "Not For Long." And that could include someone like Sean Taylor as much as anyone else in the NFL. The truth is NO one is guaranteed a long career of earning huge $$$.

As glamorous as people want to make out the career of an NFL player it's NOT as rosy as you'd like to make it seem. Sure that makes it easier to label someone like Sean Taylor as being greedy, but who can really blame a player for pursuing as much money as they can, while they can?

Jon Jansen may subtley imply that Taylor and Springs should be at the voluntary OTA, but I guarantee there are plenty of leaders in that lockerroom who will keep the team as a whole from becoming hysterical over two players missing something that's voluntary. Ultimately it's this overly-moralistic attitude that can be as disruptive as anything else.

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | May 10, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Fake PD,

Oh please enough...the idiot line was a joke! The "Agree to disagree" meant the statement could read either way..."I am smart, you are an idiot"

sorry I type fast and sneak these snarks in between actuall work, not obsessively editing to make sure I don't offend your grammer PCness...

And this:

"But thats okay, in your slanted little reality, there is no consequences for ones action, justifying everything with weak arguements, making statements on a blog to make you sound like a big man. So be it.."

Sounds so lame. I am rubber you are glue whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you would have been more creative....

My arguements weren't weak, in fact they resonated with others and were thought out. But hey I am done lets just agree that were both blowhards on a sports blog OK?

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

PD, I carried on a conversation with you yesterday and then you likened it to a chess match and it all got really tired and lame. You never really addressed the key argument that I was making in order to carry on and argue your little point. Now you are still trying to make your same point: Sean Taylor needs to go to work. Fine. Point taken. Can you please come up with an original topic for discussion? You're obviously very passionate about all of this. Why don't you tell Sean Taylor how you feel?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

notherNWskinsfan, Is that like Chevy Chase or something?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Johnnie Futbol!!!!!!!!! Thats what I said in my original post about this where I made "weak arguements"

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

k Squared- I'm definitely not defending ST's off field issues of two years ago, or his spitting incident. However is not coming to OTA's really a sign of a 'bad attitude'?

Marginally selfish? Yes.
The sign of a bad-attitude-player? IMO, no.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Now there is a vaskinsfan...I haven't been with this blog since the beginning, so please someone tell me if I wasn't the first of the INSERTLOCATIONskinsfans

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

But when on a blog where people are reading your writing and then calling others out about being idiots, I think I would take the time to not look like a jackass and spell things right.

I dont know, I guess its (IT'S) just me, but when I open my mouth, or in this case post, I make d@mn sure well that my foot doesnt (DOESN"T) not (DOUBLE NEGATIVE) get inserted into my mouth.

But thats (THAT"S) okay, in your slanted little reality, there is (ARE) no consequences for ones (ONE'S) action, justifying everything with weak arguements (ARGUMENTS), making statements on a blog to make you sound like a big man. So be it... (IMPROPER USE OF ELLIPSIS)

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 11:59 AM

Posted by: DD | May 10, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

JustMe- I'm not saying ST doesn't have performance standards and professional responsibilities.

But I just don't think it's horribly unreasonable for him to want a better deal, given the business that he's in.

If ST can get the Skins to give him more money, I'm not going to pass judgment on what another man should do about his money.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

My excuse for being a no-show at the OTAs is that I had to take an offseason job since I can't survive on my current contract. FYI, I'm a security guard at an ATV dealership here in Miami. Not to worry, I'm staying in shape. You should have seen the hit I just put on a dude that tried to steal one of our vehicles!

Posted by: Sean Taylor | May 10, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

DD I abhor grammar police up here, but that edit post was AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Love will tear us apart.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

NY;

I dont remember not continuing. As you can see, I like to argue so I am saddened by the fact I didnt complete the point.

CL,

Fine, done.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

OH nate your so North West! Jump into the hate soup!

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, NY is a total baseball city all spring and summer. There is very little talk of football untill the Jets and Giants scrimage. I should probably tell you however, I generally stay away from the big ny media staples - the Post and the Daily News - because they are terrible. So, I'm not the best person to give you a report.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Well done DD;

But I wasnt calling people idiots. But as said before, I'm done arguing ST, or grammar, or punctuation.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

PD, What?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Muhammad Ali:

"I don't have to be what you want me to be."

Posted by: Johnnie Futbol | May 10, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

NY you said

"PD, I carried on a conversation with you yesterday and then you likened it to a chess match and it all got really tired and lame. You never really addressed the key argument that I was making in order to carry on and argue your little point"

So I did not carry on. I guess I missed that. Which is why I wrote that blurb above.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan is right......up here in NYC we gag on Mets/Yankees until about Nov 15th....

nyskinsfan right again big media up here is horrible and the NY Times sports page is a J-O-K-E.....

Mike & the Mad Dog please they puke out the same "blame the players/ass kiss the sysytem" meme that others do...

Posted by: chris larry | May 10, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

So wait, NY, are you saying there is not a baseball team in DC that people care about more than the redskins?

Sooooooo your saying the Nationals suck.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

F chris larry

Posted by: not jm220 | May 10, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

panties

Posted by: not jm220 | May 10, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Where are all those ES b*tches who said they were going to stage a 500 post protest today?

Gotta have someone to yell at.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Clinton, it is not coming to a voluntary OTA, that makes a bad attitude. It is the totality of his behavior since he was drafted.

As I have said many times before, he is my favorite Skin, for what I have seen him do in college and for what he has teased us with thus far.

But, let's not be blind. He has not arrived......yet. He does not tackle flawlessly, take proper angles, or exude a team approach?

Sometimes, it is hard not to question this, when you grow up watching Darrell Green, Monte Coleman, Charles Mann, etc.

Posted by: k Squared | May 10, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Max;

What did Homer change Marges name to at the end of the episode where you got your name?

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 10, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Chesty LaRoo and Hootie McBoob, classic episode

Posted by: ce1782 | May 10, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Officially it was Chesty LaRoo. Then she said No.
Homer:"How bout Busty StClair"
Marge: "I dont want to be Chesty LaRoo or Busty StClaire"
Homer: "Hootie McBoob it is!"

Sadly the simpsons have waned. A few good episodes here and there, but Family guy has surpassed it now.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

My goodness, the offseason vitriol's been flowing this AM, ehh? Sean Taylor's situation is complicated, especially considering we're microanalyzing such a grey area with so many variables. Not to mention that fact that nothing can really be verified until the season begins and players play. Without all of this discourse, naturally, we'd have nothing to distract us from the grind, would we? Let's hear it for overgeneralization!

Posted by: D7 | May 10, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Tanfastic Simpsons ref- gotta love Chesty LaRoo.

Posted by: D7 | May 10, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

PD, You're doing it again. I only said that NY media is obsessed with baseball. Nothing about the Nationals. Stick to the topics presented and stop trying to massage them to fit within the context of your world.

I still don't understand your point about "continuing".

Finally, my spelling and grammar aren't perfect - but please note the proper uses of "you're" and "your".

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

k Squared- I hear what you are saying. I am encouraged that in the past two years he hasn't done much in the way of abhorrent behavior besides spitting on wife-beating Michael Pittman, and not showing up to OTAs.

Here's to hoping this is the year ST becomes as savvy & smart as the great safeties of the NFL.

Also, I hope he takes better angles to tackles.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Cheers Clinton.

Posted by: k Squared | May 10, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's a cool link to some video showing superslomo camera footage- 1000 frames a second! Pretty amazing, even if you're not into the subject matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O0b90G8Yhg

Posted by: D7 | May 10, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I, too, am all about better angles for ST.

Posted by: D7 | May 10, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

That was a joke NY. Get it? Apparently not.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Eveyone Duck! Sean Taylor's about to clothesline this blog!

Posted by: John D in Houston | May 10, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Vitrol is waning
fingers need resting
Blog is dead

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Not huge news, but the skins just signed veteran FG kicker John Carney to a 1 year, vet minimum deal. perhaps some friendly competition.

Posted by: PG | May 10, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

sorry, i ducked out of the blog for a while to do some... what the hell do you call it? oh yeah. work. so yeah i was busy working otherwise i would have been all up on chesty

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

In the throes of AP exam prep for my kids has left me zero blog time. Now that I scan back through it doesn't seem like I missed much.

Apparently we're disecting Sean Taylor and his contract and his behavior ad nauseum and it is becoming redundant redundancy dissovling into middle school "I know you are but what am I on opposite day." rants.

I confess I do love opposite day.

Posted by: sfskin | May 10, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Carnies. Circus Folk. Smell like cabbage. Small hands

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

FYI: Not to be a grammer Nazi PDS, but your missing "i" in vitriol also left out a syllable in your Haiku.

Posted by: D7 | May 10, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Does our new kicker have small hands and smell like cabbage?

Posted by: cdubb | May 10, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Have we disected the total lack of offseason attention to the d-line yet? I know J-La blogged about it but I haven't the brain power to go back and see comments.

Synopsis? Further discussion? Bullet points? Flow charts? Powerpoint presentation?

Posted by: sfskin | May 10, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

quicker on the draw Max Power. guess it comes from the name.

Posted by: cdubb | May 10, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The D-line is fine.

Posted by: Coach Joe | May 10, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

It's dissected isn't it?

disected?
dissected?
dysected?
di-sected?

Posted by: sfskin | May 10, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I think you might be a rageaholic.

Mmmmm Rageahol

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, on the D line:

no prospective starters/big contributors added yet, no big returning dudes cut yet.

J-La and FO watching for June 1 cuts and pondering trade options.

Gibbs says he thinks we'll be okay.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The d-line is a problem but we simply had too many defensive holes to fill in one off-season.

Such is the price we pay for Gibbs lack of long-term planning.

coughcoughDraftingcougcough

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

and yes, all options have been dissected to death up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Not saying that I know how to write a Haiku, but where is the missing syllable D7?

Vit-trol is wan-ing = 5 (admittedly with the 'i' it makes it 6)
fin-ger-s need res-t-ing = 7
bl-og is de-ad = 5
?????

Thats prolly completely worng, but it was worth a shot.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

chris Larry, maybe we need a Hecklers show to vent some of the spleen we've collectively amassed during a more or less frustrating offseason. You know, the whole punk rock catharsis.

Make it so.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Did we really sign John Carney? Don't get my hopes up.

I don't think he'll be a savior, but it's been driving me insane that for the past three seasons the Skins have been looking to unproven youngsters instead of just signing a reliable, if mediocre, veteran.

woohoo!

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

So, in Gibbs first stint I was only about 10 or so. But if I'm not mistaken wasn't he a lot tougher and not so "everything is peachy keen" back then? The D-line is ok? You've got to be kidding me.

Posted by: Max Power | May 10, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

OLD SCHOOL....I'm a thundering herd grad of 1993.

Posted by: stick75 | May 10, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Love will tear us apart.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 10, 2007 12:22 PM

Love will keep us together. Think of me babe when ever

Posted by: Capt n Tenille | May 10, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Im rooting against Joran Sparks.. Her Dad is Phillipe Sparks....Dont need any Gints fans winning American Idol!!!!

Posted by: OC Skins | May 10, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I suppose since they've made no moves and have little room to make any moves Gibbs has to say the d-line is okay. But then again we did't deal with it at ALL in the draft. I mean even with the paltry number of picks we could have gone for some DE/DT?

Posted by: sfskin | May 10, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Hill;

I think Carney might be past his prime, another stop-gap solution by the FO with an older vet. He was born in 64, on 4/20 no less.

But he did have a 92% on FG last year with a long of 51,while playing in a dome. So maybe he still does have some left in the tank.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Like John from Herndon
My haiku heart is broken
Damn you, PDSquared

Posted by: MV Dame | May 10, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

PG...I dont think we signed Carney..Where did you hear that?

Posted by: OC Skins | May 10, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

So I might not have killed the blog, but I butchered that Haiku, huh>?

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Golston since OTAs started? He looks like he's put on some weight. I wonder how big a difference it will make, for better or worse.

I also heard on Bram's show today that Brandon Lloyd has bulked up a bit and had obviously done some weight work to increase his strength.

Posted by: JustMe | May 10, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Carney is definitely past his prime but kickers age well and i think an old kicker is better than our typical novak-kimrin idea.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

sfskin- we only had one draft pick that mattered. historically speaking 5th-7th rounders are worth little more than UDFAs. Our problem wasn't that we didn't take any d-lineman, it's that we didn't have the picks in the first place.

As I said, we had too many holes and not enough picks. Maybe Gibbs has learned his lesson with draft picks. Who knows?

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

How bout this Dame

Vit-riol goes a-way
Fin-gers need to rest a while
The blog is now dead.

Better?

Posted by: PDSquared | May 10, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

NEW POST YOU BOZO SKINNY FANS

HEHEHEHEHE

Posted by: BOOFER | May 10, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

PD,
bl-og and de-ad are both two syllable words. WOW, u r and idiot. Try and speak them as two syllable words and listen to yourself, jackass

Posted by: bornskinsfan | May 10, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Bornskinsfan, you aren't helping out your case for a tardo with your last post.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | May 10, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

The d-line is a problem but we simply had too many defensive holes to fill in one off-season.

Such is the price we pay for Gibbs lack of long-term planning.

coughcoughDraftingcougcough

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 10, 2007 01:25 PM

Don't get me wrong. I know the D-line needs improvement, but didn't they draft two dt's last year? And then this year they drafted several lbs. As much as we harp on the skins for not building through the draft they do seem to be systematically adding some depth. And in the correct order for d-line prospects often need extra time on the bench to bulk up then lb's do. And also don't we have a couple young de's on the roster/ practice squad somewhere? i keep randomly hearing them being mentioned.
We can't expect the team to fix itself in one year. Its taken Gibbs 3 years to know have an offense we all think has great potential. The defense was great and had a year in which it was decimated by injuries. We have added more depth to it and some more skill... all in all i am quite excited to be a skins fan this year

Posted by: dante | May 10, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

This is my comment from last night per Comcast Sports Nite regarding the D line:

Appears the coaching staff has spent a lot of time during the off season watching game film and have been basically apologetic to the D line. The coaches said after watching the game films they saw they had put the D line in an awful position last season and that it will not happen again.

Also, Philip Daniels was interviewed and he reported that he told the coaches before the draft to pick the best player on the board - whether is be a D lineman or not. Daniels said he is more than willing to be a backup if that will help the team...does not concern him whether he starts or not...he wants to help the team and will do whatever it takes. That's a classy guy.

Posted by: Lisa | May 10, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

just saw the latest interview of coach Gibbs, first topic ST's no show......just that a no show no call no contact no NOTHING, Gibbs seems embarressed trying to explain the actions of this player who apparently in alot of fan's eyes is just misunderstood. Give me a break You don't call your coach to let him know what your status is......not the first won't be the last time....not suprised. Sorry Gibbs you thought you drafted a high character player. But I guess he is worth the trouble and new contract, right.Redskins .com for interview.

Posted by: stick75 | May 10, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

notherNWskinsfan, Is that like Chevy Chase or something?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 10, 2007 12:15 PM

Uh? At the risk of further exposing my lameness. I don't get?

Posted by: notherNWskinsfan | May 10, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Did I say expose my lameness. It's obvious!

Meant to say "I don't get it?"

Posted by: notherNWskinsfan | May 10, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I am reading about Taylor and Springs and their Prima Donna act. That is really getting old...from them and Gibbs...GROW UP...all of you....

Posted by: Jimmmbobb | May 11, 2007 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Any opinion on Clinton Portis defending Mike Vick and dogfighting?

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA

On the topic of Vick facing possible charges for dog fighting, Portis opened with, "I think people should mind their business, you know. I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, his dog, if that's what he wants to do, do it."

This guy is GENIUS!!!

Posted by: GC | May 22, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

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