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Posted at 9:32 AM ET, 01/24/2011

NFL Pro Bowl: Orakpo, Fletcher added to roster

By Rick Maese

Two Redskins were officially added to the Pro Bowl roster Monday morning, which means a total of three Washington players will participate in Sunday's game in Hawaii.

Linebackers Brian Orakpo and London Fletcher will each play in the annual all-star game for a second consecutive year.

Orakpo will take the place of Green Bay's Clay Matthews, who will instead be preparing for the Super Bowl, and Fletcher will take the spot of Chicago's Brian Urlacher, who will miss the game due to injury.

"I am extremely honored to play in the Pro Bowl," Fletcher said in a statement released by the team. "I am very excited to make the trip to Hawaii. I would like to thank all of my teammates, coaches, fans and everyone else who played a part in getting me here."

Said Orakpo: "It's great to get to go to the Pro Bowl again in just my second season in the league. I am excited about going to Hawaii, where the Pro Bowl has been for so many years. Last year was fun, but it will be special getting to play in Hawaii. I want to thank all my teammates and coaches for helping me get here, and I also want to thank all of the fans who voted for me."

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall was also selected to the Pro Bowl. Fletcher and Orakpo were alternates.

By Rick Maese  | January 24, 2011; 9:32 AM ET
 
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Comments

First.

Congrats ProBowlers!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 24, 2011 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this. But I will watch some 'Skins play in the Pro Bowl!

Hail to 'em!

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 24, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

BOOOOOO!!!

BOOOOOO!!!

THEY ARE SOOOO UNDESERVING!!!

THEY HAVE SOOOOO MANY FLAWS AND SHORTCOMINGS!!!

HISSSSS!!!

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

P 1 Funk you should become a eagles fan

Posted by: PASkinsFan82 | January 24, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse


pro bowl = pro blow

Posted by: hessone | January 24, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to go to Hawaii.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Haha pfunk...well played, dude. Personally, I'm just happy I didn't have to spend an hour scrolling to the bottom to comment...

Much deserved Pro-Bowl for all 3 guys. If the putrid offense of '08 can send 4 guys to the Pro-Bowl, this defense can send 3.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

P 1 Funk you should become a eagles fan

Posted by: PASkinsFan82 | January 24, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse


Just continuing the trend that began when DHall was announced to the ProBowl.

The "fans" responded with outrage and vitriol.

I figure - hey, why stop with DHall? Let's just take big wizz on all of our players?

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Kind of classy that each guy came out so quickly with expressions of gratitude. Also, I (non-cynically) wonder either or both has salary escalaters triggered by playing in the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Good for these guys. They are hard workers and deserve it.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 24, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Good for them...and their bottom lines...

Pro bowl means nada to the fans......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

So London Fletcher is headed to the probowl. Good for him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I just hope it doesn't take away from his legacy, that he never made the Pro Bowl until last year and because of the move of the Pro Bowl game to the week before the SB he makes it on a technicality. Dude should be a first ballot HOFer five years after he retires, and the Pro Bowl has been overrated for years.

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

here are 2 players on the "KEEP" list for next year

Posted by: retroskins14 | January 24, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Pro bowl means nada to the fans......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Speak for yourself. The Pro Bowl means I don't have to watch TV next Sunday night!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 24, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Let's just take big wizz on all of our players?

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 10:14 AM

Hang on...let me go fill up my water bottle.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

If Gibbs and company wanted A. Rodgers I think they could have gotten him since the redskins traded back into the 1st round to grab J. Campbell. I just believe Joe Gibbs was smitten with Jason, believing he was going to be a redskin.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 24, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

You might be right. But my take on that draft was that JG liked both AR and JC. They just wanted to wait as long as possible to keep the cost down. When AR was drafted #24, they stepped up before anyone else could take JC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Wow, been a long time since I had to do a repost!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to these 3 for getting the recognition. They are deserving.

Posted by: BenThere | January 24, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

If Gibbs and company wanted A. Rodgers I think they could have gotten him since the redskins traded back into the 1st round to grab J. Campbell. I just believe Joe Gibbs was smitten with Jason, believing he was going to be a redskin.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 24, 2011 9:02 AM | Report abuse

You might be right. But my take on that draft was that JG liked both AR and JC. They just wanted to wait as long as possible to keep the cost down. When AR was drafted #24, they stepped up before anyone else could take JC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse


Jason Campbell would have been a fine fit for a true Gibbsian offense.

Surround him with a solid Oline and a power-running game. Use play-action to go deep.

Just don't ask him to the carry the game or be a leader or anything like that and you're fine.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

we've seen this guy play well all over the line and at OLB. ILB may just be the ideal "middle place" between those two skill sets in which he can REALLY flourish. Like I say, I wouldn't bet against him.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 24, 2011 9:31 AM


MC, I don't think anyone is doubting that LA is CAPABLE of doing it, it's just a matter of whether it's wise to have him do it. We spend a lot of time up here killing the coaches (just about every regime in the Snyder Era, no less) for not putting players in the best position to succeed. LA might be able to play well at LB in spurts, but just not as a your every-down starter. Why rely on him playing a spot that MIGHT work well and compromise his role on ST (which is just as important, IMO)?

I'm all for working him into the mix, but I think we're better suited at a bare minimum getting a guy that can split time with him. At 27, you don't wanna wear the guy down completely before he turns 30...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

cosign, brownie. Lo is a great asset for us on teams, not as much at OLB. And he definitely should only play ILB on short yardage situations. He doesn't have the cover skills to play ILB.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Good for them...and their bottom lines...

Pro bowl means nada to the fans......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 10:30 AM

I dunno. I bet Mrs. Fletcher and the Fletcher kids are fans. They get a trip to Hawaii.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

cosign, brownie. Lo is a great asset for us on teams, not as much at OLB.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:50 AM

I hope he gets to hang on to the Hit Stick if Sellers is told to hit the road.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Oh look now they cant stop tossing pro bowls at London Fletcher. Lucky he is a real nice guy.
It will be neat when Orakpo breaks the consecutive pro bowl record streak, 15-17 years im hoping...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 11:02 AM | Report abuse

THEY ARE SOOOO UNDESERVING!!!

THEY HAVE SOOOOO MANY FLAWS AND SHORTCOMINGS!!!

HISSSSS!!!

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse
___________

Dude, are you even a fan of the Redskins? Why so negative? That's just silly. Were they a crummy defense as a whole? Obviously. But that doesn't mean these guys didn't individually have pro bowl seasons. Just relax and be happy that the 'Skins are represented. It's not a presidential election or anything.

I may even watch the game now (probably not).

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 24, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

cosign, brownie. Lo is a great asset for us on teams, not as much at OLB. And he definitely should only play ILB on short yardage situations. He doesn't have the cover skills to play ILB.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Chris Russell was saying pretty confidently that the expectation around Redskin Park is for Perry Riley to step in at ILB next season to replace Rocky Mac.

I don't see why Zo can't just revert back to DE. With that kind of athleticism and motor he can do some damage up front.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Pro bowl means nada to the fans......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 10:30 AM

I really enjoyed it when ST21 laid out the punter.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, that little Pro Bowl Hawaii vacation right now must provide a lot of incentive, regardless of contract..It just goes to show, though, that like basketball, football is more of a team dynamic game than an individually driven game like baseball, where the All-Star game has the most relevance..They used to have that College All-Stars Vs. Super Bowl champs in exhibition season back in the day, but the All-Stars would obviously get trounced, so they 86ed that one..

Hopefully Snyder has learned the value in football of overall team dynamic over big name stars by this time...NOT!!!

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Dude, are you even a fan of the Redskins? Why so negative? That's just silly. Were they a crummy defense as a whole? Obviously. But that doesn't mean these guys didn't individually have pro bowl seasons. Just relax and be happy that the 'Skins are represented. It's not a presidential election or anything.

I may even watch the game now (probably not).

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 24, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse
______

Totally missed you sarcasm. I'm an idiot. My apologies.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 24, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

just hope it doesn't take away from his legacy, that he never made the Pro Bowl until last year and because of the move of the Pro Bowl game to the week before the SB he makes it on a technicality. Dude should be a first ballot HOFer five years after he retires, and the Pro Bowl has been overrated for years.

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

First Ballot hall of fame? Are you freaking serious.

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LOL
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It take Russ Grimm and Art Monk how long to make it in and you think London is a first ballot candidate?

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

London can not even carry Ray Lewis jock strap let alone make the HOF on the first ballot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Dude, are you even a fan of the Redskins? Why so negative? That's just silly. Were they a crummy defense as a whole? Obviously. But that doesn't mean these guys didn't individually have pro bowl seasons. Just relax and be happy that the 'Skins are represented. It's not a presidential election or anything.

I may even watch the game now (probably not).

Posted by: skinsfan713 | January 24, 2011 11:03 AM

I'm pretty sure that was a shot at all the haters...you know? Sarcasm?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

London can not even carry Ray Lewis jock strap let alone make the HOF on the first ballot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM


Compare their career numbers...London can not only carry Ray's jock, but they're probably wearing the same cup size.

Intangibles weigh the same if you're objective about it...both have 1 Super Bowl, both are respected leaders. The only difference is one pontificates like football is war and the other shuts his mouth and handles his business quietly.

The only major difference is that Ray was a heralded 1st round pick and has played on more winning teams.

pfunk, if Riley is already slated to start next year, color me concerned...they spoke the same way about Kareem Moore last year and you see how that worked out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it's impossible that he makes it in on the first time. As far as Ray Lewis goes, he's right there stat wise if not beating him in some categories. I think they are about even, just 2 main differences:
1. Ray is more flamboyant and a bigger talker, which translates into more media attention.
2. Ray has anchored one of the best defenses for almost 2 decades, where Fletch has been on 3 different teams, all of which were never really known for their defenses.

I don't know what you are laughing at, probably just took a look at your fat ass in the mirror. Poor mirror, I would be crying if I were you, not laughing.

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis is a braying jackass...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse


It take Russ Grimm and Art Monk how long to make it in and you think London is a first ballot candidate?

Thanks I needed a good laugh.

London can not even carry Ray Lewis jock strap let alone make the HOF on the first ballot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM |

I see the dreamers are at it again. London Fletcher hasn't been voted to a pro bowl for a reason. He's good, not great. Yet the dreamers have him first ballot HOF. You fools will be here 10 years from now saying the same things, over and over.

Next up, Allen sells the Redskins future out with horrible talent evaluation and signings. Fools, keep dreaming and wasting your time on this pile of steaming crap, fools

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Flip_Flop is also a braying jackass...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM |

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think we've found a wanna-be sock puppet gang Play, just a lot less bright than us, and that's bad. They sound like Dallas trolls too. Where's security.....

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse


Flip_Flop is also a braying jackass...that is all.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 24, 2011 11:26 AM |

Now that is genius, commenting like an immature grade schooler. Idiot Scramp

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM |

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think we've found a wanna-be sock puppet gang Play, just a lot less bright than us, and that's bad. They sound like Dallas trolls too. Where's security.....

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 11:29 AM

Bring'em on back whenever you're ready...oh and bring a pair of pliers.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Pro bowl means nada to the fans......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 10:30 AM

AP starts rolling All Pro results, however, starting tomorrow - DROY (morning) and OROY (afternoon). Later in the week, comeback POY, then MVP. Then DPOY, OPOY, entire All Pro team, then coach of the year.

Next weekend is going to be the start of the withdrawal shakes. Pro Bowl as a game is like fake methadone.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis has the same number of SB rings and darn near mirror stats as London, who has pleyed more consecutive games.

The only thing Ray really has on London is ish talking to the media and stabbing mfers.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

London can not even carry Ray Lewis jock strap let alone make the HOF on the first ballot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM |

I see the dreamers are at it again. London Fletcher hasn't been voted to a pro bowl for a reason. He's good, not great. Yet the dreamers have him first ballot HOF. You fools will be here 10 years from now saying the same things, over and over.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse


Wow. This is just ignorant.

Fletch has been in the league 2 fewer years than Ray, and Fletch has about 200 more career tackles.

THey are about even in forced fumbles and sacks.

Ray has made more plays in pass coverage (ints/PDs).

They each have one Superbowl title on their resume.

Ray has more accolades in terms of ProBowl selections and MVPs, but London has the "Iron Man" streak.

Ray has had the benefit of playing on much better defenses overall throughout his career.

Ray also has Fletch beat in the category of "murder charges".

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I dunno. I bet Mrs. Fletcher and the Fletcher kids are fans. They get a trip to Hawaii.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 10:57 AM

I'm a fan of Mrs. 4-12, who will be going to Hawaii on business, and taking me as her "assistant".

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

London can not even carry Ray Lewis jock strap let alone make the HOF on the first ballot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM

Compare their career numbers ... London can not only carry Ray's jock, but they're probably wearing the same cup size. ...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 11:20 AM

But on their relevant odds of getting into the HoF on the first ballot, I'd have to say its Ray Lewis "with a bullet."

[Oops ... do the HoF voters have a history of rewarding character over crime? Or is it mostly about who talks to reporters more?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:36 AM |

Ray Lewis can cover, London Fletcher, not so good. Both good at playing the run and tackling. You can go back to dreaming again, fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Fletch has been in the league 2 fewer years than Ray, and Fletch has about 200 more career tackles.


Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry got that reversed and mixed up. Meant to say:

Fletch has been in the league 2 fewer years that Ray, and Ray has about 200 more career tackles.

But 2 more seasons of play at about 100 tackles per season basically puts them on the same track.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I heard Carson Palmer wants to be traded, and is saying he'll retire if the Bengals don't grant his wish.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 24, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

P 1 Funk you should become a eagles fan


Posted by: PASkinsFan82 | January 24, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Because of this guy, peabrain, and people who think I'm from Pakistan I'm going to have to get a handle.

I'm thinking:

draft_picks_are_for_dorks cowgirls_sheagles_ginas
megan_foxs_thumb

O well, congrats London. You were more desrving in your earlier days but maybe this will just make up for the snubs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 24, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Ok im convinced now. i forgot about that not so good knock. Cut him...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse


London can not even carry Ray Lewis jock strap let alone make the HOF on the first ballot.

Posted by: dcinmd1 | January 24, 2011 11:11 AM |
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the only thing that has been stable and consistant on the redskins for the years he's been here is lfletcher. for him NOT to be voted onto a pro bowl roster shows just what a sham the pro bowl is. I can see him in the HOF, maybe not 1st ballot, but he has a good chance

draft d-line early and o-line late and,

SAVE THE WHALES !!!

Posted by: hessone | January 24, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:36 AM |

Ray Lewis can cover, London Fletcher, not so good. Both good at playing the run and tackling. You can go back to dreaming again, fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Dude, what are you even saying?

It's a "dream" to think that London will make the HOF simply b/c Ray Lewis has made more plays in coverage?

You need to sort out your point (if you have one), and then articulate it clearly up here.

It will most likely be a really crappy point, so I'd be happy to flush it for you once you figure out how to make it...

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"Jason Campbell would have been a fine fit for a true Gibbsian offense."
Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 10:42 AM |

Yeah, Right. That's why Gibbs stuck with Brunell for so long and it took a coaching change, Zorn, to get JC on the field.

But that's distant history, time to focus on the future. Here's a plan to get our draft picks back:

Carson Palmer wants out of Cincy - trade Fat Al for Palmer straight up. Marvin Lewis was a defensive coach previously and may be interested in a reclamation of the Fat One.

McNabb to Bears or Vikes for their 4th.

Cooley to anyone who'll give us a 3rd.

Gives us our full compliment of picks back and, just in case you were thinking it, NO, Cutler does not come here as part of the deal.

Posted by: bones21 | January 24, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a fan of Jay Cutler, but the other players in the league who question his toughness are idiots.

It has an ironic side though. The idea of a bunch of players sitting on their couches and tweeting (tweeting!!!) about Cutler doesn't exactly conjure up images of "toughness."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 24, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm a fan of Mrs. 4-12, who will be going to Hawaii on business, and taking me as her "assistant".

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2011 11:39 AM

I'd be a fan too. So is she just trying to avoid having to wear a wrist watch or find a clock?

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm a fan of Mrs. 4-12, who will be going to Hawaii on business, and taking me as her "assistant".

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2011 11:39 AM

I'm surprised she hasn't kicked your a$$ for not getting the bottle of 1738 that was in your contract.....

Have I CP'd you ala Ifeanyi Ohalete?

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to have to get a handle.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 24, 2011 11:50 AM

Co-sign...peeps calling you PA really confuses PA.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Does Fletcher get mentioned in comparisons to Ray Lewis outside of the DC area. Congratulations to London but c'mon man. Kinda like comparing Orakpo to Matthews. They are both linebackers but the comparisons end there.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 24, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Because of this guy, peabrain, and people who think I'm from Pakistan I'm going to have to get a handle.

I'm thinking:

draft_picks_are_for_dorks cowgirls_sheagles_ginas
megan_foxs_thumb

O well, congrats London. You were more desrving in your earlier days but maybe this will just make up for the snubs.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 24, 2011 11:50 AM

All the more reason to change your handle straight up to "PakiStanHumphries"

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis can cover, London Fletcher, not so good. Both good at playing the run and tackling. You can go back to dreaming again, fool.

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 24, 2011 11:44 AM

Lewis: 30 career INTs, 59 passes defensed

Fletcher: 16 career INTs, 54 passes defensed


Seems to me the major difference is that when Lewis gets his hands on the ball, he picks it more times than Fletcher does. Doesn't exactly mean he can't cover.

Look, nobody in their right mind would say that Fletcher is a 1st ballot HoFer because after seeing what they did with Monk and continue to do with Cris Carter, NOBODY is a lock for HoF enshrinement. But to say that Fletch "can't hold Ray's jock" is idiotic at best.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

don't see why Zo can't just revert back to DE. With that kind of athleticism and motor he can do some damage up front.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse
If he wore out at OLB + teams, how long would he last at DE + teams.

That being said, I think he could be used at DE on a rotation system where he is in on 3rd and long.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Much deserved Pro-Bowl for all 3 guys.

Posted by: brownwood26 |

Two out of three.

Posted by: TheCork | January 24, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

But to say that Fletch "can't hold Ray's jock" is idiotic at best.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 12:04 PM

Especially, as mentioned earlier, has not enjoyed the stronger supporting cast throughout his career.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

But to say that Fletch "can't hold Ray's jock" is idiotic at best.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse


It's not, however, out of the question to say that London can't hold Ray's laser shooting space raven.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 24, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

sween, it was more of a "My annual meeting's in Hawaii this year...wanna go?" Tough question.

4th- Dammit, we've still got that 1738 hanging over our heads. Not like that's a bad thing...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 24, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to go to Hawaii.

Me, too.

Hawaii makes me think on a lower level.

I wonder about the sexiness of a place where the sight of a pretty, coconut-scented woman makes even the volcanoes erupt.

I asked an asian guy from Hawaii, "Where's Dan?" and he answered "Dan Ho."

I heard from a friend that Hawaiian prostitues throw a necklace of flowers around your neck when you ask, "How much is a lay?"


(INSERT rimshot audio and bad joke groan from an audience of snow-bound Northerners as Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanks up his grass skirt while balancing a bowl of poi with a free hand.)

You're getting this for free, whaddya except--humor?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Does Fletcher get mentioned in comparisons to Ray Lewis outside of the DC area. Congratulations to London but c'mon man. Kinda like comparing Orakpo to Matthews. They are both linebackers but the comparisons end there.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 24, 2011 12:01 PM


Orakpo: 20 sacks, 106 tackles
Matthews: 23 1/2 sacks, 111 tackles


Yeah, no comparison there...

I mean, do you actually THINK before you post?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 24, 2011 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Does Fletcher get mentioned in comparisons to Ray Lewis outside of the DC area. Congratulations to London but c'mon man. Kinda like comparing Orakpo to Matthews. They are both linebackers but the comparisons end there.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 24, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse


Does it matter how much Fletcher gets mentioned outside of DC when it comes to HOF credentials?

Ray Lewis gets much more pub - fine.

And if London Fletcher talked alot of jack and helped one of his booyyeez cover up a murder, I'm sure he'd get more pub too.

Anyhow, you obviously have not compared the 2.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, congrats to all the Skins in the Pro Bowl..But to say Ray Lewis ain't sh*t or is just a big mouth just shows ignorance- people said, "Damnn, that dude is The Beast, just put him smack in the middle of the defense and let him rip."

Ray Lewis is not just an All-Pro, he's one of the greatest NFL Stars of all time...For some players, the showing off raises their level of play, like Deion or DeAngelo..

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

It's not, however, out of the question to say that London can't hold Ray's laser shooting space raven.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 24, 2011 12:11 PM

Or that animals want to learn how to talk so they can hang with London.

[This is insider free TV jabber that I share only with peeps in the Baltimore broadcast area. I have digital broadcast ... yes, I'm that cheap ... and the local DC Fox station goes out a LOT, so I switch to the Baltimore Fox affiliate ... I have a 170 mile antennae. I don't know what product he's selling (probably lottery tickets), but there's some commercial where he's picked off a pass and returning it for a TD and a lion is running after him to hang out with him.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know a 32nd ranked defense could have 3 probowlers.

Posted by: skinfan2k | January 24, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

At least McNabb didn't sneak in and cost the Redskins a R2+R3 rather than the currently ridiculous R2+R4 2011 NFL draft picks.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | January 24, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know a 32nd ranked defense could have 3 probowlers.

Posted by: skinfan2k

31st ranked defense.


Get it right.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 24, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"At least McNabb didn't sneak in and cost the Redskins a R2+R3 rather than the currently ridiculous R2+R4 2011 NFL draft picks.


Posted by: clandestinetomcat"

I thought the Skins were out a 3rd and 4th this year..Anybody got a list of current picks??


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5306133

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Ray Lewis can cover, London Fletcher, not so good. Both good at playing the run and tackling. You can go back to dreaming again, fool."

I love London, he could start on at least 25 of the teams in the NFL but I don't think you can compare the guy to someone who is considered THE BEST EVER at his position.

Lewis is constantly compared to Butkus, some who say he is the best football player to ever play in the NFL. London is a blessing to watch and a true professional, but Lewis is on another level.

Congrats London, you and Orakpo both deserve it!

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Get it right.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 24, 2011 12:35 PM

Yeah...like we suck, but still got 3 pro bowlers......

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 24, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Two out of three.

Posted by: TheCork


No Valentine's Day card for DeAngelo, eh Cork?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 24, 2011 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Skins were out a 3rd and 4th this year..Anybody got a list of current picks??


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5306133

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 12:40 PM |

Last time Frak,

1,2,5,5,6,7

Plus we are getting either a 6 ot 7 from Indy for Tryon.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 24, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't know a 32nd ranked defense could have 3 probowlers."

And if Dirty 30 plays the whole season it would have been 4. Float that through your brain a few times.

Our defense is not that bad, I keep telling people that. They just need a big fat guy that CAN play nose tackle, and another OLB to play on the opposite side of Orakpo and I think they will be gtg.

Look at what the Packers did.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't know a 32nd ranked defense could have 3 probowlers."

And if Dirty 30 plays the whole season it would have been 4. Float that through your brain a few times.

Our defense is not that bad, I keep telling people that. They just need a big fat guy that CAN play nose tackle, and another OLB to play on the opposite side of Orakpo and I think they will be gtg.

Look at what the Packers did.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Ill take Sam Huff over Ray any day.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"I didn't know a 32nd ranked defense could have 3 probowlers."

"And if Dirty 30 plays the whole season it would have been 4."


And if a motivated Haynesworth had actually been playing this season instead of feuding with the coach....

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Stu27

Ill take Sam Huff over Ray any day.


I Sam Huff spent his career fighting off 310 pound offensive guards, I'd agree.

But he didn't.

Ray Lewis has had a long productive career against bigger, faster athletes, is a team leader and remains effective.

Deal with it and stop the hate: but if you don't like him, that's coo, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Flound

"Our defense is not that bad, I keep telling people that. They just need a big fat guy that CAN play nose tackle, and another OLB to play on the opposite side of Orakpo and I think they will be gtg.

Look at what the Packers did."

No, it's really not that far off, and we're a better team than 6-10...Lack of offense and the tendency to fade late in games needs to be addressed, Haslett gets clemency for his first year instilling a 3-4, and Gano better be out there in the snow practicing like its the playoffs...Have to be finishers to shine that trophy...

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Would Ray Lewis get nearly as much attention if he weren't always running his mouth?

Guys who provide sound bites get the media attention, regardless of their play. Not saying he's not a good player, but a good portion of the Ray Lewis mystique that makes bears want to talk to him has been fabricated by the media.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse


Last time Frak,

1,2,5,5,6,7

Plus we are getting either a 6 ot 7 from Indy for Tryon.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 24, 2011 12:50 PM |
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and hopefully a few more picks thru trades

Posted by: hessone | January 24, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Deal with it and stop the hate: but if you don't like him, that's coo, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Never said any of that, Sam is a fellow alumnus, but thanks for coming out of left field there bro...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

good for fletch.

Posted by: fat_back | January 24, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

after seeing what they did with Monk and continue to do with Cris Carter, NOBODY is a lock for HoF enshrinement.

Posted by: brownwood26

Then I say we draft this NOBODY fellow. Apparently, he is that good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I like the people that come on here to get their daily Tell someone off fix out of em. Makes this place feel right at home, like an inlaws during the holidays.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I Sam Huff spent his career fighting off 310 pound offensive guards, I'd agree.

But he didn't.

Ray Lewis has had a long productive career against bigger, faster athletes, is a team leader and remains effective.

Deal with it and stop the hate: but if you don't like him, that's coo, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 12:59 PM |
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Lewis is 20 lbs heavier than Huff, 250 lbs to 230 lbs (same height, 6' 1").

And Huff played against offensive linemen like Tony Liscio, who was 6' 5" and 270 lbs.

So sure, the O-linemen in Huff's day were lighter, but so was Huff (as compared to Lewis).

It's all relative.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 24, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

freakzilla

...a good portion of the Ray Lewis mystique that makes bears want to talk to him has been fabricated by the media.


You're fooling yourself and should stop.

Ray Lewis is an excellent middle linebacker:

league rank:

15 Ray Lewis BAL ILB 139 (tackles)

He's listed 6th in official league stats just ahead of London Fletcher: how is that a media creation?

Ray-Ray can play: deal with it.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Gano better be out there in the snow practicing like its the playoffs...Have to be finishers to shine that trophy...

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 1:01 PM

Oh man...kickers really do get crapped on...they're in charge of shining the trophies too?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse


Then I say we draft this NOBODY fellow. Apparently, he is that good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2011 1:11 PM |
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apparently they cannot locate this NOBODY fellow

Posted by: hessone | January 24, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Then I say we draft this NOBODY fellow. Apparently, he is that good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2011 1:11 PM |
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apparently they cannot locate this NOBODY fellow

Posted by: hessone | January 24, 2011 1:15 PM

I thought we were looking at that UNKNOWN kid.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Never said any of that, Sam is a fellow alumnus, but thanks for coming out of left field there bro...

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Stu27, did you play with Sam, back in the day?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I was basically the cause of a little mini riot here on RI about Ray Lewis and London Fletcher cause I said the horrible taboo of 'first ballot HOFer'.

First of all, he SHOULD be, but I understand he might not be, just because he might have the bad luck of going in with another LB that might make it instead of him.

As far as Monk and other players not getting in right away, there were reasons. Monk will always be my favorite player alltime, but I do admit that during his time teams would gameplan more for Clark. Plus he wasn't flamboyant and flashy like it was common for most Gibbs players. I don't really know a good reason why Grimm didn't get in right away, but there are a lot of Redskins haters out there, and I think the HOGs just don't get enough respect around the league for what they accomplished. And poor Joe Jacoby will probably have to wait till he is put in with the 'older' players, like Hanburger is this year.

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I like the people that come on here to get their daily Tell someone off fix out of em. Makes this place feel right at home, like an inlaws during the holidays.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 1:13 PM

Hey, buddy, it you don't like it here then why don't you just...

(Day 11)

... do your part to improve the quality of the dialog? I will! This forum belongs to all of us, and I hope you'll join me in helping to create a postive atmosphere for the exchange of ideas here.

Optimism rules!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Stu27, did you play with Sam, back in the day?

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Leather helmets and all. Naw but remember when he was the first ever Mic'ed up player. "The violent World of Sam Huff" on the weekly news. pretty cool.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

PFT is reporting that Cutler has an MCL tear. Not sure how bac it is yet.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else somewhat scared to see what happens to Alan4 on thursday?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I said Lewis is a good player. A very good player, in fact.

But the hype still exceeds his play, and it's because he scratches the media's back by giving them off-field content, and flashy on-field extracurricular junk like strutting around and roaring, providing the answer to the question of what it would like if the Incredible Hulk were cross-bred with a peacock.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 24, 2011 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So who's gonna win the Super Bowl?

E-Trade Baby: If I answer, will you let me check my portfolio?

How did you get so rich when you're like 9 months old?

E-Trade Baby: I sold a lot of weed when I was in college.

Is that why you can't remember I asked for your Super Bowl pick?

E-Trade Baby: No, the concussion I suffered falling off of the back of the dog I was riding in this establishment is.

Your picks please as the lame jokes are frustrating.

E-Trade Baby: Okay, okay. We take the Packers winning late in a tight, ugly game.

Packers winning?....Do you know how tough the Steelers are?

E-Trade Baby: Yes, the steelers are tough.

But when you consider where the packers put their fudge, I'd say they were tougher.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Aside from Fat Al, the most obvious player to be on the trading block is A. Carter- he's an awesome 4-3 DE but a so-so to sorry 3-4 OLB..He's listed as 3rd on the OLB depth chart..Plenty of 4-3 teams out there would love to have him..

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm so honored that one of my poops has been selected to go to the Pro-Bowl.

Hawaii here we come.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 24, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

frediefritz

T is reporting that Cutler has an MCL tear. Not sure how bac it is yet.

There's another report from Vanderbilt University where, after a long search, his guts and spine where found .

That explains a lot about him, I'd say.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Mr. T is reporting that he pities Cutler... and proceeded to call him a FOOL. More correctly the referred to him as THE Fool.

Mr. Cutler has yet to show everyone his p3nis.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 24, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm so honored that one of my poops has been selected to go to the Pro-Bowl.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 24, 2011 1:39 PM

Great news...but whose poop from the Packers or Steelers isn't going now?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Great news...but whose poop from the Packers or Steelers isn't going now?

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 1:51 PM
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It's replacing Big Ben's, whose poop was last seen harassing a young woman in the same bathroom which it was left.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 24, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You might be right. But my take on that draft was that JG liked both AR and JC. They just wanted to wait as long as possible to keep the cost down. When AR was drafted #24, they stepped up before anyone else could take JC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

fredie- Gibbs traded up to #25 before the draft. This wasn't a draft day deal. Nobody was surprised by the pick at #25 because they all but announced it when they made the trade with Denver before the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 24, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Aside from Fat Al, the most obvious player to be on the trading block is A. Carter- he's an awesome 4-3 DE but a so-so to sorry 3-4 OLB..He's listed as 3rd on the OLB depth chart..Plenty of 4-3 teams out there would love to have him..

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure they would.

And they'll wait until we cut him and then contact is agent.

Posted by: p1funk | January 24, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 24, 2011 1:54 PM
Ok...funny people...
Given the low-class Steeler QB is now in the Super Bowl?
Who should buy advertising?

Tidy Bowl?
Bathroom bodyguard?
Scrubbing Bubbles?
Mr. Clean?

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 24, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll say this for the 3-4, both the Packers and the Steelers looked goood dropping linemen back into coverage..And they just switched over recently to the 3-4, like last year...

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_678630.html


http://www.themaritimesentry.com/2009/01/packers-3-4-defense.html

Posted by: frak | January 24, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Is LB or DL more of a need in Round 1 if we don't go QB? I know the names of the DL's available. Who are some of the better LB's that will be drafted in round 1? Be nice to get an Orakpo type so we can get pressure from both sides.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 24, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FedorEm | January 24, 2011 2:23 PM

OLBs
Quinn- might be off the board
Miller- might be a little undersized
Kerrigan-my choice
Ayers- #10 might be a reach

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 24, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Given the low-class Steeler QB is now in the Super Bowl?
Who should buy advertising?

Posted by: onanygivensunday | January 24, 2011 2:11 PM

I'm thinking more along the lines of MACE and TASER.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 24, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 24, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Von would be great. Peeps said oprako was undersized too. Miller was nicked up all year so I dont think we got to see him progress from his stellar junior year.

At this point i dont mind undersized. As long as he plays w proper leverage.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Just a few points:

Congrats to GB. Very impressive, especially considering they lost 2 major offensive weapons early on. Most teams wouldn't have survived losing RB Ryan Grant (coming off back to back 1200 yd rushing years) and TE Jermichael Finley (their leading receiver until he went down in game 5 vs us). When GB hired McCarthy, I thought it wasn't a good move. Turns out, he's been among the best hires in the biz.

I like how GB uses a lot of 2 and even 3 guy in the backfield sets. Makes it much harder to pressure Rodgers and gives him more room to move about.

On Carson Palmer ... can we just say no?

On Cutler ... I've never thought he was anything near what some think he is ... but he's getting trashed today in ways I doubt he deserves.

On Pitt and GB in the Super Bowl. It has classic written all over it. The last time they played, it was a shoot out won by Pitt on the last play. Rodgers had a career day and nearly won me my FF playoff game single handed. Final was something like 36-35. Hopefully I'll get a chance to see it ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Von would be great. Peeps said oprako was undersized too. Miller was nicked up all year so I dont think we got to see him progress from his stellar junior year.

At this point i dont mind undersized. As long as he plays w proper leverage.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Which he will because he's only 6'2''. If I had to guess I'd say we'll take the best prospect available at either LB or DL. If Dareus is there I expect us to take him. If not I wouldn't be surprised if we took Von Miller. I'm more concerned about NT and ILB though. Too bad there aren't any of those worthy of #10 overall.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 24, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

fedorem

Is LB or DL more of a need in Round 1 if we don't go QB?


Without a question, if I'm in the draft room, a stud defensive lineman is what I'd pick.

If anything is evident, a solid athletic front-7 that can stop the run and pressure 'statue' quarterbacks is needed if your desire is moving deep into the playoffs.

We'd like to select 2 top defenders from this draft for our front wall (NT and right rush end) and then add a FA inside linebacker and FS.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"On Carson Palmer ... can we just say no?"

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2011 2:43 PM

Looks like Bengals' owner/GM Mike Brown has already said "No" for us, announcing that Palmer isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 24, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm more concerned about NT and ILB though. Too bad there aren't any of those worthy of #10 overall.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 24, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah me too. People just keep saying oh ho humm well just go ahead and draft a NT.
They dont grow on trees and its probably the on of the hardest college to pro transitions, not to mention the pitfall in concern to evaluation.
I have no clue how we fill the NT need. UNless its a big name FA it will not be permanently fixed this year. Which is obv bad for a 3-4 D.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 24, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Reading the interwebs its funny how all the Cutler sympathizers are now demanding an apology from anyone that criticized him.

Their argument is since he has a MCL tear, that validates his reason for not returning to the game.

Bullspit! Somone should tell this wanna be doctors that their are different grades of a MCl tear. If it was Grade 1, or possibly grade 2 tear he should've had his ass out there, plain and simple.


And besides, no one is really questionng his toughness. It was his demanor and complete lack of interest he showed on the sidelines. LaDainian Tomlinson got ripped for it, so why is everyone all butt stung when people are ripping Cutler? Are we suppose to feel sorry for the guy becuase he's a diabetic or something? Last time I checked toughness isn't measured by if you're a diabetic or not, if that were the case I'd know without a doubt that I have some tough folks on both sides of my family.


Cutler embraced the deuchebaggery, and now wants to bite down and cry about it when people aren't giving him backrubs and consolingly patting him on his head telling him that "its okay"?


Maybe Cutler should wipe his nose and tears and just "deal with it".

Posted by: RedDMV | January 24, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

On Carson Palmer ... can we just say no?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 24, 2011 2:43 PM

Do you think the Skins are better off going for a possibly bargain-basement vet (K Orton, V Young, K Kolb, A Smith, B Quinn, M Hasselbeck, Jamarcus R) or finding a rookie QB to start next year?

Shanahan's history says he kind of likes vets, but then it almost seems like the available vets aren't much of an upgrade over the guys we have already.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 24, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

fredie- Gibbs traded up to #25 before the draft. This wasn't a draft day deal. Nobody was surprised by the pick at #25 because they all but announced it when they made the trade with Denver before the draft.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 24, 2011 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Diesel. I didn't remember that.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Senior Bowl beeps.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 24, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

preach it red...cutler is a fraud, he couldn't care less...mcl injury my arse...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 24, 2011 3:03 PM | Report abuse

They just need a big fat guy that CAN play nose tackle, and ...

Posted by: rmcazz | January 24, 2011 12:50 PM

Big fat and who can drop into coverage on a zone blitz, pick off a pass from a QB who had NEVER SEEN a guy that size in coverage, then return the pick for TD, followed by a chubby little dance.

Capers said that was the first time that the Packers called that zone blitz all season ... and the DBs were SHOCKED that Raji HELD ONTO the pick, much less returned it for six.

Also, the new NFC and AFC trophies are hideous. I'm guessing the new Lombardi Trophy is going to be plexiglass.

Posted by: dcsween | January 24, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Senior Bowl beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | January 24, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

People just keep saying oh ho humm well just go ahead and draft a NT....They don't grow on trees....


I'm someone who wants to draft a NT.

Last year, T Cody intrigued.

This year, Powe, Taylor, and Daceus are three names to be on the lookout for as they are all highly-rated, run-stuffing types.

And we're not looking for them to start on day one as A Bryant should be the opening day starter.

We want to draft a kid who we can groom into a dominate starting role so the transition issues are a moot point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"If Sam Huff spent his career fighting off 310 pound offensive guards, I'd agree. But he didn't. Ray Lewis has had a long productive career against bigger, faster athletes, is a team leader and remains effective. Deal with it and stop the hate: but if you don't like him, that's coo, too."

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 24, 2011 12:59 PM

"Lewis is 20 lbs heavier than Huff, 250 lbs to 230 lbs (same height, 6' 1"). And Huff played against offensive linemen like Tony Liscio, who was 6' 5" and 270 lbs. So sure, the O-linemen in Huff's day were lighter, but so was Huff (as compared to Lewis). It's all relative."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | January 24, 2011 1:13 PM

The game has changed so much in the 40(!) years or so since Huff played that the only meaningful way to compare him to Lewis is to see how they measured up to their contemporaries. To what extent did they dominate? My recollection of Huff's playing days (and yes, I am that old), is that he was thought by some of his contemporaries to be a product of the New York media (during his days as a NY Giant), and that, while he was very good, he was never in the same class as guys like Joe Schmidt of the Detroit Lions, Ray Nitschke of the Packers, or, later, Dick Butkus of the Bears.

Lewis, on the other hand, seems to have had few, if any, peers during his years in the league. Although his skills have declined with age, no current middle/inside linebacker comes to mind who has been as good, as long, as Lewis has. My vote is for Ray Lewis as the better of the two players.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 24, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

2011 HBCU Draft Board – WRs (1-5)

1. Raymond Webber 6′2, 218 WR Ark-PB
AP/FCS All-American, Walter Payton Award Finalist
led NCAA 101 rec. 1,429yds 10TDs 129.9ypg.
only receiver w/ more receptions is Jerry Rice.
Coach: Monte Coleman (don’t be stupid on this one)

2. Ricardo Lockette, 6′3, 199 WR/KR FVSU
2009 DII 200 Meter Champion
23 rec./232 yds. 4.39-4.41/40yd. dash
Mentor: Terrence Mathis – track guy

3. Ronnie Childs 6′2 195 WR Albany State
BASN All-American, All-SIAC, SIAC Champ 11-1
45 rec./ 22ypc./12TDs – (all he does is catch TDs)

4. Jeremy Franklin 6′3, 199 WR/KR JC Smith
3x All-CIAA, JC Smith All-time leading receiver
55 rec/823 yds/5 TDs – fierce, beats up DBs.

5. Larrone Moore 6′0, 185 WR/KR Delaware St.
25 rec. 450yds 4TDs, 18.8ypc – another track guy
2x Maryland 4A 100m champ, 55m Maryland State champ
4.29-4.36/ 40yd dash (has Deion-like speed)

http://www.hbcuclassics.com

Posted by: typrather | January 24, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan's picks on D have usually been disastrous, so you have a choice. Either take Newton in the 1st and hope and pray, or take a DL, and know that it will be a failure.

Either way, Shanny doesn't make the playoffs next year and is gone at the end. History is heavily, heavily against him!

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | January 24, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

As far as Monk and other players not getting in right away, there were reasons. Monk will always be my favorite player alltime, but I do admit that during his time teams would gameplan more for Clark.

Posted by: monk811 | January 24, 2011 1:23 PM | Report abuse


He's is my favourite player as well, and that particular argument against his enshrinement used to really piss me off.

I really liked Paul Zimmerman as a journalist, all accept his perverse opinion about Monk. For a guy who was always lauding the unflashy and unheralded grind put in by interior linemen, he used the very same arguments as a knock against Monk.

The argument that pissed me off the most, was 800 8-yard hooks quote. Which was not only a complete misrepresentation, it was rediculous because it meant his other hundred catches would have made him the greatest deep threat in history.

That opposing teams didn't game plan for Monk came a close second. Perhaps if they had bothered to plan for Monk, those opposing teams wouldn't have lost quite so frequently. Every Redskins fan of that era knew how important Monk was to that team. If there were opposing co-ordinators who genuinely couldn't figure this out, whilst Monk kept of making plays that kept drives alive, that was really their problem.

Sorry, rant over. He is in the Hall now. I should be over this by now, but I am still riled by it.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 24, 2011 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I must learn to proof read before I submit

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I really liked Paul Zimmerman as a journalist, except for his perverse opinion about Monk.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 24, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Shanny's record is pretty clear, though few want to write about it.

He's coached 17 years. With Elway he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 years or 75% of the time. Without Elway he's made the playoffs 4 out of 13 years or 30% of the time.

Shanny has been out of the playoffs for his last 4 straight years of coaching. Of the 50 greatest coaches of all time by winning percentage, only three have ever returned to the playoffs after being out 4 straight years (Shula, Noll and Schottenheimer)

In fact, when you don't have Elway as your QB, Marty would have been a better choice to keep. He made the playoffs 13 out of 21 years or 61% of the time, vs. Shanny's 4 out of 13 or 30% of the time.

It's the same even IN the playoffs where Marty was supposed to be at his worst. Shanny is 1-4 in the playoffs without Elway for a percentage of .200. Marty's playoff record, is supposedly the worst of any major coach. He is 5-13, for a percentage of .278.

So as you can see even in the playoffs, if you don't have Elway on your team Schottenheimer is a better coach than Shanny.

One final note, Elway made the playoffs 7 out of 12 years without Shanahan 58%, versus the above noted Shanny only making the playoffs 4 times out of 13 30% without Elway.

From this we can safely conclude two things:

1) Elway made Shanahan, not the other way around.

2) Shanahan is clearly at the end of his coaching career.

Posted by: johnmarshall5446 | January 24, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do you find it odd that the 32nd ranked defense is sending three defensive players going to the Pro Bowl?

Posted by: dc1020008 | January 25, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

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