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No Surprises at OTAs When It Comes To The MIAs

Springs and Taylor not at the start of OTA practices today at Redskins Park. I am off this week and Howard is holding it down, but figured I'd post while I feed Rocco.

I heard over the weekend that Springs had no plans to come in this month. He's still thinking he'll get cut - and who can blame him after being asked to take a pay cut then being shopped around the league all offseason? - and from what I hear, he's content to keep working out in Arizona and see what happens with the Skins.

He's said all along that if they can guarantee they'll keep him around at his slated salary, then he'll be the happiest camper around. But with the way this offseason has played out, he figures he might as well keep doing his thing and wait and see what happens by the time mandatory mini camp starts. Stay tuned.

As for Taylor, well his past speaks for itself. I'll know more tomorrow and maybe it turns out to be an "excused" absence, but as of late tonight the coaches and scouts didn't know of an excuse if there was one (and if upper management knew why Taylor wasn't here, they hadn't told anybody). I am told Sean was around the facility for the start of the workout program 5-6 weeks back and looked great and sounded great and the thought in the organization was that everything was cool ... but the players think otherwise and are convinced that Taylor isn't going to be around for a while and their read on the situation is that he wants to get paid.

Again, we'll see what the official word is on all of this, but his peers - many of whom had not talked to Sean in a while - were not surprised by his absence and figured it was an indication of his contract.

Some people want to label me negative or whatever, but I speak the truth people and told you guys weeks ago that drafting Landry could cause big ripples for the resident hard-hitting safety, and that we'll see how well these two get along. Staying away from OTAs is the classic Rosenhaus move, yet he's the agent of choice in these parts. Go figure. Yet another in a long line of mysterious Ashburn phenomena.

Now, skipping OTAs is no major offense - although in Coach Joe's eyes it's a big deal - and he's not breaking any laws. But it's also a passive aggressive statement about his level of happiness with the organization, and for someone whose development stunted last year and needs to start playing up to the mythic reputation some have created for him, it's a bad move.

He, more than anyone else, needs to be in there studying, learning the new nuances and changes of this defense and getting a read on opponents. He is the poster boy for OTAs are for, and he's not there for the second time in three years. Getting arrested in Florida while skipping out in 2005 hasn't made a major change in his thinking, apparently, when it comes to spring football.

Maybe he needed an extra day or two to tend to personal business or whatever, in which case, it's understandable. But I also think if that's the case than more coaches and people in the facility would have already known about it and been prepared for it.


By Jason La Canfora  |  May 8, 2007; 9:05 PM ET
 
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1st!

Finally!

Posted by: ES | May 8, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Dang, Second.

Posted by: duck | May 8, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I am not sure if it's worth keeping the reaper in the long run. He dosen't deserve a new contract, yet.

Next season, def.

Posted by: ES | May 8, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor does not deserve a new contract. He has had a couple of good games. Maybe it's the defense he plays in, but he is not the ball hawk like people said he was coming out of college. Landry isn't taking his job so he shouldn't upset. IF Sean Taylor was Ed Reed then maybe he would deserve a contract. But he hasn't produced nowhere close to Ed.

Posted by: j | May 8, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree J. He needs to show some maturity. He gets too many 15 yard infractions and hasn't played a full 16 game season yet......

Posted by: ES | May 8, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Why not trade him while they can still get something in return.... Like a number one draft pick, he still has two years left on his contract doesn't he???

Posted by: 229 | May 8, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON PORTIS UPDATE

I have an update on Clinton Portis' rehab -- apparently he was out partying and drinking it up in Vegas for the big boxing match.

It's "New Age" rehab, not any of that old school stuff that proven Super Bowl-caliber stars like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady would go through.

Posted by: SkinsDieHard | May 8, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

What..trouble in Paradise? We need the reaper. He will show up. He should man up and play out his deal then he can get his truckload of cash. Can't we all get along? He's about all the bright spot we have at this time. It would be nice if he could just show up and get crackin.

Let's see about the D-lineman too. We need some good news...

Posted by: DTC | May 8, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

When is Culpepper coming to town? Step up water bottle filler upper guy.

Posted by: RBD202 | May 8, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

When will that kid grow up.

Posted by: kost52 | May 8, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

like most Skins players over the last couple of years, Taylor's performances have been inconsistent.
a big hit, followed by a big penalty, followed by a long touchdown pass thrown over his head.
i'm not down on Taylor, necessarily, i just don't think he's the god some in here do.
Hail!!

Posted by: flipthatswitch | May 8, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

It's probably too much to ask for, but we need someone to smack Taylor and Lloyd in the back of the head -- Taylor needs to step it up and become a leader on D, not just a hitter.
And Lloyd needs to grow up.

I'd trade a half dozen wins just to see these two get their brains into the game, not just their bodies. [Actually, I lie because if they did so, we'd be devastatingly difficult to beat]...

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Good insight JLC, but hes no stranger to missing OTA's in 2005 and 2004 (two season which he did play to a mythic level).

I'm thinking he looked at his attendence those two years and his results and then his perfect attendence last year with those terrible results and well, you do the math.

Posted by: ninjatickets | May 9, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you Flipthatswitch. One thing you have to also understand is that his agent is Drew Stinkupthehouse. I bet he is telling Sean to stay home and not work out, just like JLC said. Sean has not done anything to deserve a new contract but I'll tell you his pro bowl invites are not going to help us in the negotiation room. We will just have to watch this very closely.

What worries more is the whole Shawn Springs situation. Redskins Park just needs to give him his money this year and work on a renegotiation throughout the season. We have depth so lets just rotate him in along with a treo of corners. Keep Carlos out there to cover the #2's. This will allow Springs to reduce his risk of injury as well as keep fresh legs on the field. Just a though. Springs isn't going to play that much longer so don't do anything stupid front office. He is a big guy in the locker room and his release with upset players. Gibbs should just make this a team move not so much a Player move.


Posted by: Frank (Los Angeles) | May 9, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I wondered if selecting Landry meant the Taylor could be trade bait ... the Skins get something significant in return. With 2 years left on his contract and his rep, Taylor could get the Skins a Pro Bowl level player. Wish the Skins would own up to keeping Springs. He was the only DB who did not look lost out there last year. Even Taylor missed a lot of plays ... how he made the Pro bowl ... cant figure that one out.

Posted by: AL | May 9, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

D7, that was a great link on previous thread to Hilton pix on the skins site. Hilton deserves the official Merton Hanks Crane Neck award.

I, like others, appreciated the reassuring words from Demetric Evans too- poised for a breakout year on the D-line, lettin it all fly.

Regarding possible excused absences from OTA's, maybe Sean-Tay was busy lockin up his all terrain vehicles for the summer & takin care of other little odds and ends.. Puttin' a little extra money on retainer w/ the legal team, finishing up lite reading of 101 ways to draw a 15 yard penalty before you die...A saftey's guide to the Tampa Two. Ch 1 "Coverages and You", Para. 1- How not to get sucked in on run action.

we tease because we love...

Posted by: DTC | May 9, 2007 12:47 AM | Report abuse

"Mark it down. This is going to be my best year," said defensive end Demetric Evans, who will see more work as Wynn and Daniels recover. "Everybody has a good feeling about the defense being more aggressive, so I'm ready to just let it fly."
Is he going to be on the team this year? I thought peeps up here had him cut?

Posted by: RBD202 | May 9, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

It's stupid to suggest that Taylor is not a ball-hawk. What a safety produces is usually a result of the defense he plays in. For example, Ed Reed may be the best safety in the NFL...but have you noticed he has the best support on his team? He has Suggs, Lewis, Nagata, Rolle, McCalister etc. etc. The team he plays on is amazing. Therefore all he has to do is go out there and make plays. Redskins cannot stop the run nor rush the passer. That is not an environment for success. (this same thing foes for Polamalu ...he plays on an awesome defense therefore he doesnt have to worry about everything else and just does his natural ballhawking thing). Taylor on the other hand has to stop the run and the pass at the same time. He had to be the 8th man in the box while keeping an eye out for the play action. If Taylor was in the same situation as either Polamalu or Reed, I gurantee he would produce huge numbers.

Posted by: Meraj | May 9, 2007 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor doesn't hold out for more money. He just skips the pre-season so more receivers will be alive when the games count.

Posted by: etrod | May 9, 2007 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Good point meraj;

That is why Landry in the box, on run support and covering the TE down the seam, which he can do with 4.35 speed, will let Taylor sit back and annihilate recievers.

If Taylor comes in and plays under his current contract, he should see his best year. That might be a big if

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 7:22 AM | Report abuse

WTF! Trade the Reaper. Some of you just don't get it. And someone really need to give Drew Rosenhaus a beat down. He is F up the game.

Posted by: jm220 | May 9, 2007 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Also,This is why he isnt pissed about Landry being here, and that he is not a replacement. He is the exact compilment he needs, and hopefully they have made that apparent.

But his contract could be the sticking point, but as someone mentioned, we can give him a base salary and signing bonus with higher cap numbers in the next 3 or 4 years down the road.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Talk of trading the reaper is borderline ITA material. It ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: etrod | May 9, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

and jm220, I believe you're the resident beat-down-giver-outer so we just need to get you near 'Next question' and it will all work itself out.

Posted by: etrod | May 9, 2007 7:38 AM | Report abuse

I see this as two sides of the same coin. Springs doesn't show up, justifiably pissed about his status. Taylor chooses to stay home to whine about his contract (?). The bottom line is that nobody on this team feels like they can trust management, whether for good reasons or not.

Also, just a possibility; Taylor might be staying home in solidarity with Springs. He is The Reapers on field social worker after all.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 9, 2007 7:40 AM | Report abuse

why are you guys taking this negative he just want's a contract to be with the redskins longer

Posted by: Alexander | May 9, 2007 7:44 AM | Report abuse

PD you are so right. We need to lock him up now and not wait until the last year of his contract.

etrod just one forearm shot the the ribs is all I need.

Posted by: jm220 | May 9, 2007 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Larry;

I dont think Sean T gives an F about Springs. He is either being his petulant self, or wants a new contract.

He is already a head case, so we could tell him that he has to play for his current contract. He could hold out 4 games, or whatever it is, then have to play the rest to qualify for a full season under his contract... but then that would hurt his ability to sign elsewhere.

So he can whine about that contract all he wants, but he is either going to play for his contract, or not get paid at all.

His choice

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I love the Reaper, but, including the 2007 season, that bama still has 4 years left on his contract. Someone needs to tell him and his insane agent that you need to play beyond your current contract before you ask for a new one.

I *love* the physical part of his game. But, he needs to be here learning and studying film to better the mental part of his game. My fear for him is that he will be Lavar and never understand how great he could truly be if he applied adequate energy to both the physical *and* mental parts of the game.

If his absence is some kind of passive aggressive move to position himself to ask for a new contract, they should tell him to forget it. He has no one but himself to blame for his current contract since he's the one who couldn't settle on an agent. He needs to suck it up and prove he's worth more.

Posted by: JustMe | May 9, 2007 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Fingers crossed that ST and SS come to camp and play. Let's be honest: Hands down our two best players on defense. Anyone care disagree with that? Yeah, I know ST makes mistakes, but is anyone else going to threaten opposing offenses. And, don't say Landry because it's not his time yet.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 7:59 AM | Report abuse

I just wonder if all of you that are calling for him to be traded and not lock him up to a long term contract now. If he becomes a FA and walk and he will walk. What would you be posting then? You don't let your best D player walk. I guess you guys didn't learn from Champ.

Posted by: jm220 | May 9, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, so I agree with all of the talk about ST needing to prove himself and his agent being a d**k who is ruining the game, but again, no denying who are holding the cards....

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I agree wholeheartedly with you JustMe.

NY, I would say M Washington is more important than one of the two. If Springs is injured, than it is #53 and #21. If Springs is in than ST is a close third.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 8:04 AM | Report abuse

PDSquared hit the nail on the head. The reaper can only become dominant with the right pieces around him. The question is, do we put the pieces around him or let him walk and become the man somewhere else?

I have a feeling this will get a lot worse before it gets better.

F Next Question.

Posted by: etrod | May 9, 2007 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I agree JustMe, besides some amazing hits and some nice plays, he has not been the player we all expected. On top of that his on and off field problems have far outweighed any benefits. I'm not saying he can't become a great player, and hopefully putting him in the position to "go get the ball" will bring him to life, but so far he has only been an underachieving supertalent. Certainly no reason to hold out for a contract.

I am willing to bet he just doesn't want to attend the OTA's. He did last year and probably hated it. Hopefully he shows up when the time comes. BUT, if this is an indication of wanting a new contract I say F Sean Taylor, he is a headache and doesn't care about the mental part of the game.

Posted by: monkalicious | May 9, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse


Reaper's new contract:
15 yards loses one mil;
Grow up. "Next question."

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 9, 2007 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, it was meraj that hit the nail on the head...But PD is awesome, too :)

Posted by: etrod | May 9, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

WE DID IT!! W e brought out HaikuMan.... classy as always.

San Diego, thats German for a whales vagina.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Certainly don't let him "walk", get some good return on him, number 1 next year or a solid Dlineman and number 3 or something.

Overall, I want to keep him, but that is with the understanding that he will mature, tighten up on the field, and give the team 100%.

Posted by: monkalicious | May 9, 2007 8:10 AM | Report abuse

PD - We'll have to agree to disagree...no one scares Owens like Sean Taylor. He is a presence more than Washington. I like Washington, but he's not a game changer like ST. Springs is #2 because it REALLY showed when he was out last year.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

When did Taylor change any games??? Besides his 15 yard penalties and game ejections!

Posted by: monkalicious | May 9, 2007 8:17 AM | Report abuse

OK, I am going to take a break for the blog. You guys are really talking crazy. It's hard to believe all the Reaper negative talk that is going on. You think Spring (sorry Lisa) who can't stay on the filed a full season. Washington who has a bad hip are our best D players.

Posted by: jm220 | May 9, 2007 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Demetric Evans is now our best D player...jk

Posted by: monkalicious | May 9, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Springs not being there I can understand. Taylor should be there. It looks like last year he showed up to cultivate a good boy image after his legal troubles in Florida - BUT!! he (along with most of the defense) stunk up the place last season. The FO supported him through his problems and welcomed him back with open arms. Contract or not he owes this team and should be working to get better not try to hold them up for a contract revision that he did not play well enough to deserve.

ProBowl selection - I think not unless he got in because more consistent players were injured or opted out. Laying out kickers/punters is not a big part of the skins defensive schemes. If he wants to play on special teams all the time reduce his salary and let him.

Perhaps the skins should explore what they can get for him while he is still under contract because he is now and will remain a head case.

Posted by: oldskinsfan | May 9, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

ST = a presence. Receivers avoid him. Opposing offenses run plays with him in mind. Not with Washington in mind.

Again, we can agree to disagree. He is our MVP on defense as far as I am concerned.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

JM;

I just think peeps here see it for what it is, Injuries aside. The two MOST consistent players on the field are Washington, and Springs when he is out there.

Taylor is the only game changer, but monk said it right when he said his game changing moments are few and far between last year.

But I have faith. Landry will help, CB depth will help. So Im not down on his play, but you cannot disagree that he has acted like a petulant child a lot of times during the offseason, and during the season with spitting incidents. I lost a lot of respoect for ST when he spit on Houshmazilly (championship)and the Bucs RB.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

And NY; All last year you heard teams mentioning how to take advantage of ST, how he bites on Play Action. So they were attacking him, not avoiding him.

If our best player on the defense has such glaring weaknesses, then we really are in trouble this year.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm just going by what I see. ST hits everyone. And, I can tell that those hits hurt. He's NOT like Lavar who had trouble making the occasional play, he really does target the ball and not stop until contact. Sometimes it results in penalties. And, yes, he needs to cut way back on the penalties, but he is always around the ball. He takes over the middle. His talent is raw, and he needs refine significantly, but are you watching different games, PD? Do you not see how he impacts so many plays?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

And where is he supposed to refine his talents...OTAs. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Taylor play, and blow people up. I want him to come around and be a skin, but not showing up this year is a bad sign. Hopefully he is just locking up his ATVs and will be there soon. Lets all pray for that!

Posted by: monkalicious | May 9, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

If you guys want a message board to be JLC-Heads on, without being attacked by the homers.

http://nflforums.com/forums/index.php

The place is nearly dead. You guys could bascially drive all the conversation.

Posted by: Andyman | May 9, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

No. His tackling around the line of scrimmage is the best for a safety. But really his ball hawking skills is what we want from him. I did see him take HORRIBLE angles when downfield attacking the ball carrier.

His one on one coverage skills are good, but he breaks down in space as i said about his angles.

He had one int and 3 forced fumbles and 6 passes defensed. Fumbles was the only stat higher than the previous years. So his impact plays are not hard hits, they are take aways (zero sacks btw, but of they dont blitz him then he doesnt get sacks)which he did not have many of.

Really this league is all about what have you done lately. And last year, other than his tackles, he had all time lows all around. Cant blame him completely, but he does need to show improvement this year. And I think Landry will help that.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Right - I agree that he needs to attend the OTAs. Would love it if he did. But, where I'm going is trying to make the argument that we need him for preseason and week 1. He is our best hope to be the nucleus for Scary Gregg Williams D Part III. That's what I'm saying. No ST, no Scary D.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Andyman!

I didn't want to be one of those posters on ES that follows their mods around like a lost puppy. I think we all should take over that forum. Make it our Redskins/JLC Shrine.

Posted by: Braveheart | May 9, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget that more than his intimidation and hard hits, his best skill is when he has the ball in his hands. Just think back to the INT against Philly to seal our playoff bid and the blocked kick return against Dallas. Those are heads up plays that did more to help us win those games than any alligator arms he's given TO.

Let Landry do the hard hitting and blitzing at the line while Taylor plays centerfield. That way he won't get beat on the play action as much too.

Reaper and Lando!!

Posted by: Gibby | May 9, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

First it was talk about trading "you know who" and now it's the Reaper! Why don't we just trade everyone and start over? Would everyone be happy then?

Also, must we continue to use the word "bama" in a derogatory term? Sorry, but being from Alabama it hits a nerve.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Typical Redskins Fans. I am one so don't jump all over me. Redskins fans have this panick in them like something is not right time and time again. Who cares if they are not here, if they aren't here when they are required to be then we have a problem. Everyone panicked before the draft and we ended up doing nothing but using our pick. Taylor does this every year, Springs said he is fine. So until something happens we are making something out of nothing. As a fan of the Redskins you have to relax, you'll live longer, we are always in the news no matter how small or big the story.

Posted by: Ryan | May 9, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

How anyone associated with this organization can feel they deserve a raise after last season is beyond me. Man up and do your job BEFORE asking for more money. Spoiled overpaid FOOTBALL PLAYERS. I mean what are we talking about, FOOTBALL PLAYERS, not teachers (fill in any other under paid IMPORTANT job), were talking about FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Thanks, A.I. for summing it up so eloquently.

Posted by: Scott | May 9, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

The Taylor situation is simple. He should be at mini camp doing everything he can to prove he is worthy of his extension now. If he doesnt get one before training camp then the threat of a hold out would still exist and the Skins SHOULD extend him now while they can get him for less money over the life of his new contract then they would 2 years from now. What is discouraging to me and what should discourage all of us is the fact that we have Jason Campbell trying to practise with our recievers and they can't make time for him? I've loved Santana Moss since he was a freshman at the U but come on man.. these guys get millions of dollars and can't find extra days to put quality work in? Timining in this offense is critical and Jason needs as much confidence as he can this year. Anybody who's played Quarterback knows that a couple weeks before the start of the season is not enough time to have the prescision timing needed to succeed in the NFL unless you have been playing with the same receivers for years. The attitude of this VETEREN team concerns me. They B*tch and moan about not having to work out at Redskins Park this offseason and Coach Joe gives in, but then can't find the time to do the little things that breeds winning. You may think I'm over reacting and that the offseason is overrated but just ask Peyton Manning how valueable that timming is, ask Tom Brady. To have a young QB wanting to do everything it takes to improve his team but not have the teamates willing to meet him half way is redicilous. I hope when training camp starts that Landry pops all 3 of those receivers on their lazy A$$es. Peace

Posted by: Jay-Hog | May 9, 2007 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor went to the Pro Bowl last year as -- what? -- third alternate or second alternate. He hasn't realized his potential and he's not recognized as the best at his position.

It's frustrating that he's not willing to work to become the best, which would require him to raise his game, play within the defense and with the people around him.

He wants to be paid like the best, but he doesn't want to work for it. He talks the talk, but he can't walk the walk. He doesn't even have the character to honor the contract he signed. What a waste.

As for Springs, he won't be here after June. The 'Skins are already bumping up against the cap after the two recent signings and with the rookie pool of $3.4 million, and they will have to get his money if they're going to improve the d-line.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins can and will do whatever they want long-term with Sean Taylor but I for one am tired of worrying about him and his erratic behavior (missing the rookie symposium; wanting to negotiate his contract without an agent; then being instantly unhappy with the contract he did sign; getting arrested in Miami for a streetfight; etc. ).

Now, we are to believe Jason, that he is unhappy with the Redskins drafing a talented safety to play with him in the defensive backfield (I presume because Landry's contract will be slightly richer).

If I were the Redskins I would be tempted to sit Taylor down and show him the tape of Steven Jackson running untouched for 30 yards (of the 570 yards the Rams racked up) for a touchdown last year as Sean Taylor backpedaled in front of him all the way into the endzone and never made a play. I would say, "Given this performance, we were thinking of asking for some of your salary back. But, let's compromise and say we'll let you play under your existing contract as long as you start making some plays and quit sulking." Deal?

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 9, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"Some people want to label me negative or whatever, but I speak the truth people and told you guys weeks ago that drafting Landry could cause big ripples for the resident hard-hitting safety, and that we'll see how well these two get along."

1) Are you saying that the Landry pick is part of his absence? Sean has already mentioned that he was unhappy with his contract (he fired the agent that originally negotiated it, didn't he?), so I don't see the Landry pick as the impetus for his absence. Landry hasn't even received a contract for Sean to be upset about (in comparison). If contract issues are the reason for his absence, then it would have happened regardless of who they picked.

2) I don't see why Sean would be upset with the Landry pick. TheRon was not picked to replace Sean, but rather to complement him. These two better become friends because good dialogue and communication between them could turn them into the best safety combo in the NFL. I hope he sees that.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

The real problem here is that management always gives unproven/outside guys money and never pays to keep their own players. That's why Taylor wants a new deal. If other cats are getting paid crazy loot and then not showing anything on the field (Archuleta and soon to be Landry) then he's got to be wondering why he's getting paid lower than many and impacting more than most. I know none of us would be able to redo our contracts if we wanted to, but this is common practice in the NFL. You can't fault him for trying to work the system. Especially when Danny redoes contracts for no reason (Lloyd still had a couple of years left on his original deal, didn't he?).

All of this talk about his 15 yard penalties and "we should trade him" is pretty funny to me too. Seems like everyone is forgetting his fumble return for the TD against TB and the fact that he's got TO and numerous other WRs stopping mid-route. He is an impact player. Playing next to the biggest FA SS bust in NFL history is a major reason he regressed last year.

If they trade Sean Taylor someone should take Danny to the looney bin. The dude is 24 years old - he's gonna do some dumb stuff (especially with Rosenhaus as his agent). Hopefully he grows out of it but I don't see why we should give up on him now.

Posted by: [cc] | May 9, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

* * Important Notice * *

The 2007 Washington Redskins need Shawn Springs BADLY.

Pay the man, Danny.

I don't care if he's 1 or 2 mil overpaid. We need him this year, renegotiate next year.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Check and Mate James, Check and Mate

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Can we all agree to just not mention the horrible suggestion that we trade ST?

It's not happening. It's a horrible idea. It's not happening.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree, Clinton, we are not trading him. As influential as Grilliams was in drafting Landry instead of DE, he will be the same to keep his boy Reaper.

You can postulate all you want, but reality is that it is not happening

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Jay-Hog, Moss was at the OTAs yesterday...as was Randle-El and Portis. Nothing was mentioned about Lloyd.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

[cc]--

The real problem here is that Sean Taylor signed a contract, and now he's refusing to honor it. If he had wanted a clause saying "you will pay me more than any other safety you sign" he should have negotiated for the clause.

No one faults Taylor for trying to get more money. I think our complaint is that the way he's chosen is bad for him and is bad for the team.

I don't understand what you mean about "Danny redoes contracts for no reason." What does this refer to? Why would he re-do a contract for no reason?

The only contracts I know of him re-doing -- aside from Arrington's extension -- were those with lower salaries (Brunell, Winn) or those with the same money but with deferred cap hits. Lloyd? He's only been here a year and his contract hasn't been changed.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Lisa;

I think Jay Hog was mentioning in that story that Campbell tried to get with the WR's during the offseason to work together and gain a rapport w/ each other. But it did not work out.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Taylor misses one voluntary session and now lets throw him under the bus. I'm not saying that some of what has been said isn't true but I think there needs to be perspective. (There is a lot assumptions about this being a contract issue - that may be true but at this point it isn't verrified.) Last I heard Gregg Williams loves him and Taylor is extremely valuable to this defense.

On a "positive" note. I saw Ice-cube's "Are We There Yet" family picture this weekend. The kid's loved it, ages 8 and 10 but I was glued to this sorry picture due to Cube's character sporting a Sam Huff throwback for the last half of the movie. Nice to see the love.

Posted by: bangkokben | May 9, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Who's playing chess?

Bucktown, Going for a safety with your #6 pick is like going out and getting a Pro-bowl free-agent safety. The high number automatically means payday and play soon.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

My Brooklyn brethren speaking truth.

Springs is our best cover corner, and at this point, the ONLY #1 CB on our roster. Whenever he is on the field, he makes our secondary monumentally better.

Carlos may well turn into a #1, but he ain't there yet, and I don't want him playing there until he's ready.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Buck...why can't you see? Its not a matter of Landry replacing Sean, its a matter of a childish player's ego being hurt because he feels like he has carried that defense (which he has) and deserves to be the highest paid safety on the team not second to a kid who has never played a game in the NFL. On to his point though, Taylor had 114 tackles, the second most in the league among safeties and 20th overall in the league. BTW 46 of the top 50 tacklers were LB's, with only Marshall from the Skins in that list (47th out of 50). In other words Taylor was doing way way way more than any safety should be expected to do. I went to several games but the one that stands out to me was the Tampa game. Taylor made almost every play in that first half he was everywhere and had like 15 tackles in the first half as well as matched up in the slot and covered Galloway straight up a few times. Come the second half he was tired, he got beat a couple times on a few pass plays and every calls him an underachiever. He spent the whole game tackling Mike Alstott and the Caddy which noone else could do and then wore down. He is not a LB he is a freaking safety! he shouldn't lead our team in tackles, he should be free to roam...kill recievers, make interceptions, cause, and recover fumbles like he did the two years previous to last year. His "slipping" last year is directly related to the fact that Marshall and Holdman were piss poor, Washington and Springs were hurt, Archuletta was a joke, and our Dline was beyond pitiful. We have addressed some of those issues but unless we address the dline so that it holds up at the point of attack and pressures the QB some its going to be a long season for Fletcher, Taylor, and Landry. Sean should get paid, and we should do whatever it takes to get a good DE and sign another DT that gets cut.

Posted by: Jack | May 9, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Nice post, Jack. That's what I'm talking about. Just watch the games. ST is everywhere. We still playing chess?

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

"The real problem here is that Sean Taylor signed a contract, and now he's refusing to honor it. If he had wanted a clause saying "you will pay me more than any other safety you sign" he should have negotiated for the clause."

The problem here isn't that Taylor wants to be paid more than Landry (it may be, but it's not the crux of the argument). The problem is that his original contract was subpar, and he's been unhappy with it from day one.

I think he should get his extension, but he needs to get his butt into camp right meow. Let your agent and the team work it out, while you study film and learn how to better do your job, Sean.

"No one faults Taylor for trying to get more money. I think our complaint is that the way he's chosen is bad for him and is bad for the team."

I agree wholeheartedly.

nyskinsfan, what's that in response to? No disrespect meant, I'm just not sure.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

KK - I agree that it's bad for both him and the team. Staying away will stunt his growth in the system, alienate fans and possibly other players. But really, he's just doing what many have done before him. I wish he'd play out the original contract too, but we all know that's not going to happen.

As far as the "Danny redoes contracts for no reason" comment, that was basically referring to Lloyd's FA deal. They traded for him and could've just made him play for the remainder of his original contract. But they didn't. They gave him a ton of money to watch him do practically nothing.

Posted by: [cc] | May 9, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry quick hits:

- D. Evans please shut up, is there anything lamer than bragging May about your performance next fall, and from a career back-up no less. I would love for him to blow up, but c'mon....

- Can we just conclude the Shawn Springs situation please. I am so sick of it. I think honor his contract but whatever lets just get some closure already, for Lisa's sake if nothing else...

- OTA's are lame, overated and just a "fix" for us Coked up hampsters. Did Dave Butz need OTAs? He would hold out from training camp just to carve wooden ducks. The teams act like the players killed christ when they miss these...

- Sean Taylor Rulz/Sean Taylor Droolz: The dude is an enigma wrapped in a conundrum wrapped in a delusion. And we love him. And I for one am not ashamed to admit it. We should sign him long term just on the principal that he is interesting to have around. Last year he was at every idotic OTA and he had his worse season ever. Pay him, play him, put up with him...every team needs some "characters"

- Sean Taylor screwed himself with a bad agent at the beginning. Not the skins fault their. I would deal with the drew rosenhasues 10/10 times rather than these morons like the Postons and these "friend" type agents who just poison the process with their incompetence. I actually think its a good thing Taylor has Rosenhouse now b/c, love him or hate him, he at least deals well with Asburn and Drew wont want to F up that pot of gold...

- Clinton Portis partying in Vegas....GOOD!!!!! Does prize fights, high end tail and 100,000 crap table tips hurt your shoulder?!?! These are football players not priests. Portis rulz BECAUSE HE IS CRAZY DUDE!!!!!! God love him. And dont give me that Tom Brady crap, he is the biggest playboy in the league....I would trade 10 years to be TB's penis for a week. He is starting ton rival Shawn Kemp as a baby daddy for petes sake....

Posted by: Chris larry | May 9, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Um, I guess that shouldn't have been "Lloyd's FA deal". Seeing as how we traded for him and all, which was my point. Oops.

Posted by: [cc] | May 9, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

All we know is that Sean and Shawn weren't at the OTAs yesterday. Until we hear from them or their agents, we won't know WHY, so it's all speculation. Everything that follows in our discussion is speculation. I'm just sayin.'

I agree with Clinton Hill and others that we need to get things settled with Springs. Pay him his current salary for this season and get him on the damn field. He remains our best player at the most important position on the D -- his injury history be damned -- and we sure haven't picked up someone to replace him in the offseason, have we?

On the Reaper's supposed salary issues (and again, it's ALL speculation at this point), one little quibble: whatever import we might attribute to a player's trip to the Pro Bowl -- more on that in a second -- should be mitigated when the player replaces a Pro Bowl starter. The Reaper was an alternate to starter Brian Dawkins, who was injured.

[We all gripe about how the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, usually when someone we like doesn't get voted in. But many of us are also quick to cite the number of Pro Bowl appearances when evaluating player performance in a season or over a career. I catch myself doing this. It is a conundrum.]

Anyway, by the f'ed up way I keep score, I don't really think of Sean Taylor as a Pro Bowler even though he played in the game. He wasn't voted to start, and therefore by my way of thinking he doesn't get 'full credit.'

Cue the troll criticism of me for being mean to people up here. Or the 'this blog stinks' guy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 9, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

KK

I think what CC was referring to is the habit of Danny redoing an exisiting contract for a player that was just traded to the skins before they even play a down. ie Lloyd, Moss, Portis and any other big name.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown, No perceived disrespect. I was responding to this:

so I don't see the Landry pick as the impetus for his absence. Landry hasn't even received a contract for Sean to be upset about (in comparison). If contract issues are the reason for his absence, then it would have happened regardless of who they picked.

I might have kind of missed what you were saying. But, I would say that I disagree with the "regardless of who they picked" part, because they chose to draft someone HIGH and he happened to be a safety, so there is definitely fuel for a fire there. I don't condone sitting out of meetings and camps, etc., but I think I can see how he would be upset. More than he would be if they chose a DE.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

KK, how do you know that Taylor is refusing to honor his deal???? YOU DO NOT. He simply did not show up for a NON MANDATORY - let me repeat - a NON MANDATORY OTA. Nothing more. Everyone else started speculating it's about his contract but does anyone know this for a fact? I think not.

Ridiculous. The same as your remark that Springs WILL NOT be here after June. Despite all the speculation, no one knows what is going to happen there either.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown--

In what sense was Taylor's contract sub-par? Does everyone agree that the contract was sub-par or is it just Taylor who thinks this?

Wasn't he slotted, so that he made less than the guy ahead of him and more than the guy behind him? Why did he sign the contract if it was sub-par?

I vaguely recall that Taylor signed pretty quickly. The guy behind him was Kellen Winslow, Jr., and "The Chosen One" had a bulldog agent that the 'Skins didn't want to deal with. He may well have gotten Winslow a better contract, although Evel Kellwinslow since had to give some of the money back.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

For all the worry about Reaper, I would be a lot more worried about Springs for now.....he is an incredible player when healthy, and without him, our secondary looks terrible (smoot and rogers starting, yikes). As bad as our d line looks, at least i've been encouraged by the improvement of our secondary, but cutting springs would be an atrocious move. Even trading him for a draft pick is a bad idea...

As for Taylor, he is not that great of a player yet. He shows flashes...I thought in the first 2 games of last season he was theeee best defensive player in the nfl, just amazing. Then the wheels slowly came off after repeated mistakes.

nyskinsfan, i too am from ny, so stop giving us a bad name. Washington and Springs are far superior players to Taylor, Washington close to if not a top-5 lb, and Springs was theee best corner in the nfl 2 yrs ago. Taylor is what, one of the 10 best safeties? I might even take a healthy Griffin over Taylor. Basically Reaper needs to get off of his high horse and realize he isn't worth anything yet, or at least close to what he could be worth with one amazing season

Posted by: Jon | May 9, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"Buck...why can't you see? Its not a matter of Landry replacing Sean..."

I never said that the contract dispute was. Where did that come from?

"...its a matter of a childish player's ego being hurt because he feels like he has carried that defense (which he has) and deserves to be the highest paid safety on the team not second to a kid who has never played a game in the NFL."

I agree with this... and I've said as much. But attributing his current holdout to the Landry choice is illogical because Landry has yet to receive a contract to be upset about. Sean is just upset about his contract -- period -- and has been since the day it was signed.

As I stated above, "I think he should get his extension, but he needs to get his butt into camp right meow."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Did you take grumpy pills this morning?

I'm taking Jason's word for the reason for Taylor's absence "the players are convinced that Taylor isn't going to be around for a while and their read on the situation is that he wants to get paid." Maybe he just missed his flight. We'll see.

On Springs, I made a prediction. It might be right, and it might be wrong. We'll know for sure in June, won't we?

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

How much is Taylor's contract is it that horrendously low, if it is than He's really going to be pissed when he see's what Landry's going to rake in. Look you think this is a "core redskin" a Joe gibbs type of unselfish player?????????? Writing is on the wall, anyone who is spitting on people has mental issues!!!!I hope Sean taylor project is over the sooner the better, just like lavar never lived up to the hype!!!!!!!!

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm really scared by Marcus Washington's injury situation. If he's now got chronic injuries that significantly hurts our defense.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that Sean wants Archuletta's contract. I think the team would be more willing to give him more money if he was more of a team player. Look at Jansen's extension.

I don't want ST to go the same was as TO in philly. I think philly would have given TO a new contract if he didn't make such a big deal of things. Instead he got into a who has the biggest pair contest with the FO.

Disclaimer: ST only missed one day. It's still to early to say anything. And only this trade talk is crazy talk.

Posted by: the don | May 9, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

For the record, Sean Taylor's contract is god awful. I'm not saying he deserves a new deal yet, but it's fully understandable why he hates the one he has.

He signed a 7 year deal as a rookie. That's a mistake because as a star player, you really get paid on your 2nd deal, not your first one. So the idea is to sign a 3 or 4 year deal, then get a new one asap.

ST is stuck with a rookie contract forever.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Usually when a player like Taylor doesn't show up for a work out, etc, I question his committment and desire, which is frustrating as a fan. With Taylor, I really don't care; he is one of the most overrated players in the league and I really don't care if he's even on the team. As we speak, someone is probably g behind him right now with a ball in his hand heading for the end zone!

Posted by: Matt | May 9, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"but he needs to get his butt into camp right meow."

Bucktown, I need to copyright that typo -- I'm gonna start screaming at the kids to "come here right meow!" from now on!

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

KK, from Nunyo Demsaio's 2004 wp.com story about Taylor "sacking" his agents:

"Taylor signed an incentive-laden six-year contract worth a maximum of $40 million, including a bonus of $13.045 million. The bonus, payable over three seasons, is a slight raise over that obtained by last year's No. 5 overall pick, Terence Newman.

"Taylor can earn up to $9 million a season any season he is named to the Pro Bowl, which would make him the league's highest-paid safety. The contract is expected to last no more than four years. If Taylor flops, the deal is likely to be worth about $18 million.

"Taylor became the first top-10 pick to sign a contract after his agents surprised the Redskins by flying into Washington to finalize the deal and get him to camp on time.

"According to one source, Taylor became upset after seeing the contracts signed by other first-round picks and hopes that Rosenhaus can eventually negotiate a new deal. The collective bargaining agreement prevents a rookie from renegotiating a contract until after his first season."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that was a typo, cload.

(See "SuperTroopers")

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 9, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

For those that are debating the "Most Important Player on Defense", you are forgetting one player...

Cornelius Griffin.

He is, hands down, the most influential player on the defensive side of the ball. When he is healthy he completely shuts down the opposing running game and occupys two blockers on passing plays. When he's been out our ability to stop the run vanishes and the pass rush is nonexistent because we don't have another tackle who commands a double team.

Springs, Taylor, and Washington are a distant 2, 3, and 4 on that list.

Posted by: hockeygoalie29 | May 9, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jon,

That was awful mean. I'm acutually FROM Bethesda, MD, so you don't have to worry about me embarrassing you.

Anyway, I had been trying make the point that we need both Springs and Taylor more than we need anyone else on defense. I'm sticking to it and I'm not changing my name because no matter what I still have to watch the Giants and Jets and look at the bottom scroll line to see Redskins scores. When I can get away from the baby and head out to a sports bar, I watch games and I watch ST make all of the tackles and land monster hits on the dudes he gets credited with the 1/2 tackles on. I don't care at what angle he makes these tackles. The majority have to scare the pants off lots of guys in the NFL. Griffin better than ST? Using what methodology? Again, I like Washington, and he's been great when he's healthy, but I don't see him as a defesive centerpeice like I see ST. And, don't quote me as saying that he's better than Springs.

Jon, don't say lame stuff like you said about me anymore. Does Eli Manning give you a bad name? He should. There are lots of other new yorkers you have to worry about ruining your reputation.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

yeah but what are the base salaries of ST's contract? how many of the incentives are realistic? for example, what was he paid last year, considering he made the pro bowl.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

no name--

The three contracts you mentioned -- Portis, Moss, and Lloyd -- were ones where the Redskins re-did them for a good reason. They wanted to sign the players for longer than a year. I think in the first two cases, Portis and Moss, the new contracts were part of the package. Both players were unhappy with the money they were getting and they wanted more money. It wouldn't have made sense to take them here as unhappy campers with expiring contracts. And, in both cases, I think we can agree that the Redskins did the right thing to keep them around.

Lloyd is a bit different. He was in the final year of his contract and the Redskins gambled that he would turn out well. If he'd played well and had become an FA, it would have cost much more than they paid him. But, he didn't -- or at least he didn't last year. Maybe this year will be different.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

cload and daggar, watch "Super Troopers" if you don't get the reference. It is my favorite movie, and one of the best comedies produced in the last two or twelve decades*.


*pulled completely out of my @ss, but that's how good I think it is.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Kris Jenkins was supposed to board Redskin One for a workout, but they apparently couldn't squeeze him onboard...
Where did Sapp's Extra Weight Go?

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

stevie, great catch.

"He signed a 7 year deal as a rookie. That's a mistake because as a star player, you really get paid on your 2nd deal, not your first one. So the idea is to sign a 3 or 4 year deal, then get a new one asap."

Revisiting Clinton Hill's point, Sean is stuck in a 7-year rookie contract ONLY if he plays well. If he sucks, then the team can drop him after four years, and then he will get a different crappy contract.

The team got the better of the player on that one. Give him the extension.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

chris Larry speaks the truth.

Taylor was unhappy from day one but his legal toubles prevented him from getting a new deal. This year happens to be the perfect year for getting a new one with the cap being so high. It makes sense that he would go for it now, and I hope the skins extend him. Overrated or not doesn't matter--he's a good player and Gdubs loves him. It may have something to do with Landry, but I really don't see that. ST just wants to get paid and I don't blame him for that.

Posted by: WrongDog | May 9, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

I was watching the OTA report on redskins.com this morning and I saw Lloyd wandering around in the background in his #85 jersey, so he is there.

Posted by: ce1782 | May 9, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

WrongDog is a smart man!

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

KK - I probably shouldn't have said Danny redoes contracts for no reason. I just meant that he redoes them all the time for people who want a better deal so why is it always a sticking point when it's one of our guys that wants a new deal? I mean, we're always taking care of other teams' guys. I think it would be nice to take care of more of our own.

Posted by: [cc] | May 9, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm gonna have to separate you two...

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

When Lloyd was wandering around was he trying to find the set for his latest rap video?

That guy is talented* on the mic.


*not talented.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I have no problem with Taylor getting a new deal. Just don't grumble about it publicly. I just don't want him going down a bad path. I also don't want the team to self-destruct because of a disgruntled player.

And if the reason is he just want to practice in Miami, that's still a bad sign. He should care enough about his job to want to improve his craft and help his team. Physical skills only get you so far. Just ask Lavar.

I'm not on the let's trade him bandwagon, but he does need to grow up.

Posted by: the don | May 9, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

All I can say is that Sean Taylor sure is lucky that he's good at football. If he weren't, no one in the world would put up with his garbage behavior for more than 30 seconds without permanently writing him off.

But since he's good at this odd sport we all love, he gets to be a millionaire pouting to become a multi-millionaire and recieves carte blanche to behave like a 5 year-old both on and off the field.

I, for one, am tired of hearing a cadre of 60 year-olds who could otherwise be retired (aka the Redskins' coaching staff) spending their days making excuses for this child of a man. He's a total waste of talent, second chances and other people's good will.

Posted by: Joe The Fan | May 9, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If you give a guy a new contract for missing OTA's, how many guys will be at OTA's next year?

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Started off on the wrong foot........Let's not return the calls of the HC, President, HOFamer of the washington redskins. Now he want's a raise after being an embarresment to the man that has tried to be patient and nurture the good he seems to see in you. And not show up for ota's and we already know how much Gibbs invests in ota's. I think he's been reading to much of his own hype and the nick names people give him that alone warrents a big contract when he hasn't even fullfilled half his potential.

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"Who wants a mustache ride??"


and since all things RI are cosmically connected to all OTHER things RI . . .

The victim of all that "meowing" in ST (the movie, not Sean Teazy) is none other than our very own Hot Pocket philosopher, Jim Gaffigan.

(It's not that I don't have an opinion about The Reaper and his contract and not being at OTAs and whether OTAs are really O and . . . but it's just not morning conversation for me, and decoding posts is much more fun.)

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 9, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Since the sean t door open is open i must walk in.way to early to start the trade or contract extension talk. sean does have an nfl resume and what it shows on film is enormous potential, a player who has more talent than anyone on the field and plays faster than anyone. but the resume also shows a player who is inconsistent and prone to make mistakes ( my opinion is because he guesses instead of reading the play)which leads to bad angles, missed tackles and ball hawking opportunities lost because he is out of position.

I have said before he could be the next ronnie lott or the next lavar.one guy is probbally one of the greatest defenders ever and the other is one of the greatest defensive talents. That is the great divide for a player like sean, all the physical gifts are there and with those gifts come great expectations. The most talented players that maximise thier talent lift the play of those around them and always (almost) come through when the team needs them.

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Hooooooooooot Pocket!

Posted by: Jim Gaffigan | May 9, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

do we need two all world safetys??can, should we invest in two safteys?does ST really appreciate anything???

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

nyskinsfan-

The ny comment was said in jest, didn't intend for it to sound mean. That said....

Taylor is not a defensive centerpiece, you are letting too much potential get in the way of actual performance. I agree that we can not let him go because he can really be a game-changer.......but right now? Springs, Washington, and Griffin are all better players and thus more important. Honestly, particularly with Landry back there, we may not be losing all that much with Prioleau or Fox or whoever replacing Taylor. I don't buy this idea that receivers are scared of him, why then does he get thrown around so often?

Someone else had it right when they said that we have this mythical figure built up. It's a lot like how Cowgirls fans and a lot of other people have this idea of Roy Williams as phenomenal, when he stinks in coverage and thus isn't that great of a player despite being supposed game-changer.....

My final point though, is that everyone and their mother knows that Taylor could be the greatest safety in history, and it wouldn't be a huge surprise to any of us if he was theee best safety in the nfl next year

Posted by: Jon | May 9, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I'd hate to think that Taylor is playing games with his contract as he's not earned the right yet. He's been too inconsistent and done too many stupid things so far in his career. Anyone remember the spitting incident against Tampa Bay in the playoffs. He should get the head down and conentrate on forming the most potent safety partnership in the league with Landry. Then he can hold us to ransom over a new contract.

As for Demetric Evans - those comments are the sort that come back to haunt you at the end of a season when you manage 1 sack, the defense is ranked rock bottom and the team has just finished 5-11 again!!

Posted by: FingersCrossed | May 9, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

"When Lloyd was wandering around was he trying to find the set for his latest rap video?"

Maybe he was trying to find one of those handful of sure TDs he dropped last year.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

he's a "total waste of talent"!?

wow man, did he sh*t in your cereal or what?

By and large the players should do whatever is in their power to get paid. Most of their contracts aren't guaranteed and as soon as you get hurt, you're out on your azz. Get paid while the gettin's good.

Sean Taylor's thugged out episode in Miami was inexcusable, but as far as I know he's learned his lesson. Getting arrested will do that to you.

But let's not group avoiding OTAs, or spitting in a guys' face, with arrestable gun-related offenses. They are worlds apart. And if you think Sean Taylor is alone in spitting in someone's face, I suggest you spend some time at the bottom of an NFL pile up.

I am not excusing any of ST's behavior to date, but your commentary is especially harsh and judgmental. You've basically labeled him a failure at age 24 and that's a bit extreme.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

How is Landry's contract going to be that much more than Taylor's?? There can't be that much of a divide considering they were picked in almost the exact same slot and are only a few years apart......why didn't this contract issue arise a year ago?

Posted by: Jon | May 9, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm leaving this along now save one thing. Sean Taylor is no Lavar Arrington for one BIG reason: Lavar had big injury problems.

Fine, Fox is a better player than Sean Taylor. So is Mike Rumph. Whatever. I just want him on our team next year more than just about anyone else other than maybe Moss because I enjoy watching him play. As bad as we were last season, I at least knew I could count on Sean Taylor to make more than one monster hit a game. He kept me going to the sports bars even after we were out of the playoffs.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Jon, contracts get bigger every year... rookie contract inflation. It's going to be bigger by the fact alone.

Also, Taylor's contract was less than it could have been (in 2004) had he waited for other top ten draftees to sign first. He beat out the guys around him in signing first, and they ended up getting better contracts.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | May 9, 2007 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Taylor's never like his contract from day one. Mentally not all there. had 3-5 different agents before settleing for the original Rosenh. who he fired the first time because he thought he was in cahoots with snyder.

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

NY;

You said it all, the games you actually get to see... you must have been watching the ones where Taylor made all the plays. But your omnipotence about ST play is seriously degraded with a statement that you do not watch every game.

Dont get me wrong, I think he has been and can be a beast again. But he does need to work on his fundamnetals and stop relying on his athletics.

We all said the same thing about LaVar. ST is the best straight tackler in the game (see late run support where he flys in straight on a RB). But if he is coming in at an angle, which is usually in coverage, where he will be more often than not this year as a SS, he takes wrong angles. Football is a game of angles. Especially when you have to cover the whole back of the secondary and need to run from sideline to sideline.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Landry's contract will be better than ST's because Taylor signed an out-of-the-ordinary 7 year deal. I explained above why this is so bad. (see 10:32 AM)

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

we're all skinz fan...just some with a #21 jersey.

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Ugh...angles schmangles. I'm done, PD. I've said my piece. Pool is a game of angles. Football is a game of many things, I suppose angles are one of them.

See my comment about ST and Lavar. Not the same dude.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

ny

Lavar's talent level created very big expectation, which he never lived up to. he was hurt here and in nyu but that still dimishes him, as the greatest players ever also tend to be those who have long healthy careers. I am just saying there are similarities to what we expected to get from lavar ( the sacks, game changing plays,and the feeling at crunch time he would make a play and DID)to what were are expecting sean to do and so far he has come up short. but its still early although its getting later.

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

FYI...I actually did watch all but maybe one or two games this year. Omnipotence is a powerful claim. One I didn't make. I saw two in person. Wore my Ramsey jersey to one of them. Yes, I have a Ramsey jersey.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Ever since Ryan Clark left, the Reaper has just needed some guidance in his pass coverages. Give the man a break, he is the only guy I see flying around the field. He is an exciting player who makes exciting things happen. Pay him soon or this thing will blow up and just be another distraction to an admininstration which has been spiraling out of control for years.

Posted by: lurgee5177 | May 9, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

ST is always out of position, you can have all the speed in the world but if you're not in position to make the tackle you're playing catchup, and it's all about the angles, John lynch mad a hof carreer out of playing with sub par speed but he made up more than enough in his positioning. Safety is all about angles and Positioning!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

It could be that the Reaper is just behind one day. Sean Taylor's calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd; no one fools Sean Taylor.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | May 9, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Dude, J-La, quit trying to stir up drama. You're spinning this to make it look like a contract show down similiar to Briggs in Chicago. Taylor will be fine. He didn't attend ANY voluntary work outs in 2005 and he was a beast. He attended all of them in 2006 and he had a bad year. Taylor knows Landry is not going to take his position, so stop trying to start a fight there.
Springs has been quoted as saying he is cool with his situation and would simply prefer to keep his work out routine going in AZ.
So just stop all this crap. We are not a good enough team to have anyone care about things like this.

Posted by: No more drama | May 9, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I looked up his stats and his birthday is April 1. Perhaps his calendar does that out of respect.

Posted by: [cc] | May 9, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

ny

did you get chance to LT play? the greatest defensive player in history.he was always the guy when the giants needed a play would deliver. now i didn't watch every giants game so i'm sure he missed the occassinal tackle, but when i did watch he was allways in the middle of the action when it counted. his very presence on the field lifted the confindence of his teamates.there is just something different when your biggest playmaker makes a play, than when a lessor player on your team makes one. both big plays, but the team inspiration, motovation, confidence factor is so much higher when the "Man" is the one making the plays.

2 quick LT stories.

1 when LT was a rookie, the giants already had a pro bowl outside linebacker i think it was (brian Kelly) good steady player still in his prime. 1st practice LT is 2nd team (behind Kelly). they come out in the afternoon for the 2nd practice and parcells calls for the first team defense to line up,LT (on his own) runs out on the field says "Kelly your over there" pointing to the bench. No one said a thing, kelly (pro bowler) took a seat ( he knew) and so did everyone else after one practice.

2. first live scrimage. defense is called LT is supposed to cover the back in the flat. Ball is snaped LT blows by the left tackle and sacks Phil simms. plays continue LT continues to miss or disregard assignments but the results are the same, no one can block him and all the plays are being blow up almost before they start.Finnally Parcells has seen enough he yells at LT "thats not in the playbook" (defensive) LT just glares at him and says "well you better put in."

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

No more drama--

Taylor attended the voluntary workouts last year and he went to the Pro Bowl. He missed them before that and he watched the Pro Bowl on TV.

Look, this is "Redskins Insider." Jason reports what he hears, that the rest of us don't. It's us bloggers who turn it into drama. But, it might actually be a contract show down similar to Briggs. And, if so, you read it here first.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'm in the extend Sean Taylor, reassure Springs camp. The defense in front of Sean Taylor sucked. Tighten that up and let him roam around knocking the bejesus out of people and making interceptions. His contract has been a sore subject frim the beginning so either make it right or get rid of him. We can't have a T.O. situation. If we get a little help up front this season and definitely next are great chances to do some damage. Springs is a lock down corner when healthy, tell him we love him and let's get on with it. It's not my money so pay them.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 9, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Geez....to all of you saying that Taylor played out of position and did not live up to expectation last season...well, who the heck did in the secondary? Springs was hurt, Prioleau hurt, Clark gone, Archuleta totally lacking, and Rogers having a down year as well. The entire secondary was out of of sync and you all are blaming Taylor for a less than stellar performance??? He was basically the only cat truly making plays.

Posted by: Lisa | May 9, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Taylor is a specimen, for sure. We are all Taylor fans (he is my favorite Skin). But let's keep it real.

Despite all of his physical gifts, he clearly lacks maturity. His NFL resume is tattered by bad decisions. Blowing off a mandatory rookie symposium, ignoring your employer's attempt to communicate, DUI, spitting, etc.

You can argue about how minor or how common, or he is not the only one, but anyway you cut it, it is negative.

I continue to hold out hope that the light bulb will go on. His talent is undeniable, but sometimes I look at Taylor and think of Michael Westbrook.

Posted by: k Squared | May 9, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Lisa;

ST has been out of position his whole carrer. It took Ryan Clark to line him up.

I would say the overall sentiment today is that ST needs to be studying film and learning how to read plays on his own and position himself correctly. He cannot have someone else do it for him.

In otherwords stop relying on physical ability alone, which is why he was making some great plays last year, but complete himslef as a player b/c we all think when he does that (except for stick) that he will be the premier safety in the league.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Old School, I did. I was in MD at the time, so I only watched 2 of his games a year. I was also pretty young so I missed many of the finer points (like angles), I'm sure.

I'm with you on all of your points as usual. As a matter of fact, I think ST can be LT under the right circumstances. I, and I think many other Redskins fans, get really psyched when he makes plays more than the other guys right now. Admittedly, he's got a REALLY long way to go.

I know I'm going to get mauled for the ST can be the next LT comment. I don't really care. I'm making the argument that I don't want him to get away more on potential than past history, etc., although his stats so far certainly aren't terrible.

And, Old School, your last post didn't mention ST, but I'm thinking you had him in mind. I'm glad you brought up history. History goes much further than hypotheticals. Which is important to note since ST hasn't said one thing to my knowledge about why he didn't show up to the offseason workouts. The FO hasn't brought up any pending trades either. We waste too much time talking about what might happen and arguing the points of hypothetical situations in my opinion. I'm guilty too. Just saying.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The OTA practice sessions are basically instructional in nature--no contact or hitting is allowed (which is why ST does not like to attend). Attendance is voluntary for players.

Posted by: RELAX | May 9, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

good old hot tempered pound on stephen davis at practice MW. Yeah i see a little bit of hot tempered selfish no concept of team individual in the comparison, what ever happened to Westbrook......huh.

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Speak on sista Lisa!

OK: I am going to get petty- We are not bloggers!!!! Jason is the blogger we are all just comment (albeit habitually) on a blog. A blogger is someone who maintains, and posts. Some of us may have blogs of our own and thus bloggers but here on RI there is only 2 our Bro Jason and Sin Cindy.

Sorry silly semantics but its been bugging me for 8 months.....

Resume the Sean-Tay bashing.

Posted by: cHris larry | May 9, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

the wiki says MW submitted some guy with a rear naked choke after his nfl career was over. well then.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Yo stick75,

You have been puking nonsense up here all day now a Reaper/Michael Westbrook comparrison??? Dude puleezzeee!

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The OTA practice sessions are basically instructional in nature--no contact or hitting is allowed (which is why ST does not like to attend). Attendance is voluntary for players.

Posted by: RELAX | May 9, 2007 12:11 PM

Relax--

Exactly! Who needs the instruction more than Sean Taylor does? That's what everyone, even his biggest defenders, has been saying.

Yes, they're voluntary. Isn't it strange though that everyone else volunteers except for Taylor and Springs?

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, I was responsible for the Westbrook comparison, not stick.

It was attempt to compare a one time Skin, physical beast, with a 10 cent head to another.

Posted by: k Squared | May 9, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Sticky!

k Squared that is just ridiculous....

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I am merely saying that the game of football is 60%coaching 30%players talent, 10% intagibles(team chemistry, luck) Talent wise this is the NFL everyone with a few exeptions are on the upper end as far as talent goes to play at this level, what seperates the good and great players is the coachability of a person and their attitude. High first rounder either great mediocre, or complete flop ie. Couch, Leaf.
It may be early but I believe that this whole me, me, me attitude that ST has been portraying is brought about due to himself. Even his teamates are't suprised by his latest no show. just show up and demonstrate some team unity. The contract will come be patient and be a team player. Michael Westbrook ended up being a high draft pick flop/ ST will be mediocre not anywhere near ED reed or S dawkins.

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

just reread my post about LT. its always better when you get the punch line correct.

LT said to parcells " then you better IT in"

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

ny/all

its all good. we will be so much better if sean plays to his full potential and its not a stretch to see him doing it. NY if he does he could be Ronnie Lott. Some of that is on him and some of that is on the team. if we start winning his legend will grow.

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

A couple of questions about whether Sean Taylor should get a new contract -

If you could turn back the clock, would you rip up the old contract and sign a new market-value deal (or write a lucrative long-term extension) a year or two ahead of time if it meant it would keep Champ Bailey happy and off the free agent market, and make him a Redskin for life?

If you could turn back the clock, would you rip up the old contract and sign a new market-value deal (or write a lucrative long-term extension) a year or two ahead of time if it meant it would keep Antonio Pierce happy and off the free agent market, and make him a Redskin for life?

How many people up here have said again and again that the Redskins must learn how to sign their best/highest potential players early and keep them away from free agency? Here's your opportunity with Sean Taylor - are you going to pull the trigger on a new deal or further sideline his potential by giving him future incentive to leave?

There is a new dynamic in the NFL with the escalation of the salary cap - 1st round rookie salaries are going to destroy whatever is left of team harmony, until they are capped as they are in the NBA. If you have a top 10 pick, be prepared to fix the contracts of your existing players (even if they are still in their early high potential/not so high yet performance period) or watch them get mad and then wander away in free agency later.

Yes, Sean Taylor had an off-year in 2006. Why? Because he was asked to be Superman on a defense that was bad and injured. "Hey, Sean, back up Holdman - he can't tackle." "Hey Sean, back up Marshall - he's a bit weak in the middle." "Hey Sean, back up Carlos - double moves are killing him." "Hey Sean, back up Jimoh/Wright/Rumph - Springs is hurt again." "Hey Sean, back up Arch - he is worthless and Prioleau is on IR." "Hey Sean, back up Marcus - his hip hurts." "Hey Sean, come up and give run support - the line can't stop anyone." Is it any wonder that Sean was constantly out of position??? No wonder his angles are bad - he is always covering for everyone else's shortcomings and has to take angles that no one ever imagined. Who else on the defense last year could you ask to do all those things? Shawn Springs? Marcus Washington? Archubingus?

Sean Taylor is the best player and has the most potential of anyone on the defense. Pay him now and then use draft picks and dollars to rebuild the defense around him. Do that and the defense will be among the best for the next 6-8 years. Be stupid and be cheap, and watch him sign with the Broncos in a few years.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

you just can't tell a good story and f it up twice. please add the word "put".

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

What Otter said

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 9, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

No worries Old School, we are not Cowboy fans.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 9, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

You all are all freaking out over him missing a voluntary practice. This is typical Taylor. Does anyone even know what his current contract is worth (incentives in all)?

I don't so I can't comment. I am not too worried about this. It will work out.

Taylor hasn't said anything publicly that he is in a contract dispute, so until then, I am going to enjoy the weather.

Posted by: JoeyV | May 9, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, comparing Taylor to Westbrook is not ridiculous.

Both guys were drafted high, with great expectations of change. Westbrook never got it, never decicated himself to his craft. Coming out of Colorado, one of the knocks on Westbrook was that he relied to much on his speed and size, and did not focus on running sharp routes or downfield blocking. He was known for watching cartoons on Sundays, not the NFL, not the guys he may be going up against, f n cartoons. He thought his physical skills would be enough.

Taylor seems no different. He wants to get paid like he is the man, but has done little to justify being paid like or thought of as the man. Bad angles, missed tackles, late hits. Any other player, with half his talent, would be benched or cut.

His physicality is not the problem, it is 10-12 inches between his ears.

Posted by: k Squared | May 9, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

JoeyV: 1.It is common knowledge that he hates his contract. 2.His Agent is Rosenhaus.3. 'nuf said.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 9, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Whatever K squared, whatever....

In my opinion the comparrison is silly at best...

Posted by: chris larry | May 9, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

k, Yes it is. New topic please.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 9, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope when training camp starts that Landry pops all 3 of those receivers on their lazy A$$es. Peace

Posted by: Jay-Hog | May 9, 2007 09:30 AM

I whole-heartedly agree with you.

Posted by: charlie | May 9, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

From NFL.com, about Fantasy Value of JC

With Mark Brunell no longer a threat due to his status on the Redskins' depth chart, how will Jason Campbell fare next season with weapons like Santana Moss, Antwaan Randle El and Chris Cooley? -- B. Rowley

M.F.: The experience Campbell gained in seven contests last season will be invaluable as he enters his first full campaign as the unquestioned starter in Washington, so he does have some definite value as a sleeper. In fact, it wouldn't be a shock to see him produce 3,000-plus passing yards and 16-plus touchdowns in 2007. Campbell, who has thrown at least one touchdown pass in each of his NFL starts, will be well worth a late-round selection as a No. 2 fantasy quarterback and occasional starter versus weaker opponents.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

thanks dog.

otter is on the money... maybe. I say that because the FO has to be in a position to evaluate the talent, and pay the right people, at the same time they need to bring new talent to push the old or overpaid talent out. that way they can keep the players in line and have some control over contracts and money.Our biggest problem has been instability in the foundation (QB/Coach) and evaluation of who the key players are ...ie who to keep. if you like them lock'em early you end up with a happy player and if you do it right a home town discount.cheaper, younger, better is a good thing provided you have the foundation and a few core guys.NE is the master right now they always seem to manage because the usually have the players replacement ready and waiting when the veteran says I want more money.At the end of the day its the ultimate team game most of the guys are just parts in the machine that is league.

Posted by: Old School | May 9, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

well said Otter

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Champ left was that Dan Snyder had to make a choice extend Champ or Lavar. He extended the wrong player. Again we just drafted another highly reguarded saftey in the first round. I believe that there will come another time of choice between two players, it would be nice to have both and I'd be for it. But honestly that's not a luxury we'll have.

Posted by: stick75 | May 9, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Otter,

I say the 'Skins pay Taylor top money when he shows he's a top player. He hasn't shown that yet. You can't "build your defense" around a man who spits on opponents, who skips OTAs, who continuously gets penalized for unnecessary, cheap, flagrant fouls. Etc. He's not reliable. You can't count on him. He's not a leader, and he continuously refuses to step up his game and become a part of the team.

Rookie salaries are already capped by the "rookie pool" which is a cap within the cap. For the 'Skins this year it's $3.4 million.

As for Pierce, the 'Skins made a big effort to get him back. He walked for slight a bump up in salary and has regretted it since. Champ? He, too, was in it for the money and we couldn't afford him. A team can only pay top dollar to one or two players and still have a balanced offense and defense. If I were paying top dollar to only one or two players, it sure wouldn't be Sean Taylor, at least not based on the way he's performed or treated the team so far. Lots of potential there, but too little work.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

The reaper needs to understand there is a BIG difference between being popular and being good.

He needs to be there to get himself prepared. It's not enough to just hit people hard. His coverage is suspect at best. He doesn't yet have the credibility to be pulling this crap on the team.

But PLEASE don't tell him I said so.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 9, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor has a point. Look what they paid Arch Deluxe so that he can date a playboy model. He really didn't do much else lacking any reasonable speed. He will be watching Landry's negotiations.

You can't expect 16 games from Springs. So... they should never have let Walt Harris go. If they had kept him the season might have been different. Denver is building the defense the 'Skins should have and really should covet. Featuring Bailey and Dre Bly. I think if they keep Springs he should be used differently. Passing situations only. Might be worth the money then if he can keep healthy.

Posted by: periculum | May 9, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Look, we all love the sense that at any moment big ST may enter the tv screen and flaten somebody, but is he a Monte Coleman Skin? A Darrell Green or even a Lavar Skin? No way. He has always been a me-first gun for hire who has a lot of growing up to do. Look at some of the other 1st round defensive players in Taylor's 2004 draft: Vilma (12th), Tommie Harris (14th), Will Smith (18th) and Wilfork (21st). Honestly, is there any name on that list you wouldn't swap straight-up for Taylor right now?

We need to face the fact that for all the excitement he brings, he is not a "character" player or a "true" Skin and, in fact, he is somewhat of a cancer (pouting, embarassing the team name by spitting in another player's face, holding out, getting arrested, and more to come). I've got $20 that says he is on another team by 2008.

At some point Danny needs to decide if he wants the best athletes or the best players (performers, teamates, community-minded guys). Personally, I can live with a bunch of losing seasons when I know the team is respected and has players I honestly admire and consider core Skins.

Posted by: Since '70 | May 9, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Not to change subject, but I have to reverse course on all my talk about how we should pursue Kris Jenkins.........according to Profootballtalk.com, while Sapp has managed to lose 49 lbs. this offseason, Jenkins has added 49 lbs. to his listed weight of 335, and is now a whopping 384! So forget his lazy ass.......

Posted by: Jon | May 9, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The Adams family was going to buy a car for $5800. The car dealer offered the Adams family two options for buying the car. They could pay the full amount in cash, or they could pay $1000.00 down and $230.00 a month for 24 months on the installment plan. How much more would they pay for the car on the installment plan?

Posted by: loco mullin | May 9, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Arch Deluxe had credibility as a stand-out safety, he just didnt fit within the system or the personnel running the system.

You cant compare Arch and Taylor. Taylor has accomplished nothing with the exception of almost killing a punter in an exhibition game.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 9, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

They only paid Arch Deluxe for one year. When he didn't produce, he was gone.

They made a big mistake with Arch. But, that doesn't justify another mistake with Sean Taylor. They'll pay him, but he has to produce, first.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I have a few questions

1. Does anyone know the year-by-year terms of Sean Taylor's deal? Some say 6-year, some say 7 with a voidable year 7, some just say 7.

2. Does anyone know what can cause year 7 be voided? Since the contract isn't guaranteed, I'm assuming it can be voided by either Taylor or the team.

3. Has Taylor met any of the incentives in his contract in the first 3 years he has played? The press covered Taylor's original deal as an $18 million contract that could be boosted to $40 million if Taylor met incentives.

4. One of the incentives listed is making the Pro Bowl - Taylor made it to the Pro Bowl as an alternate last year - did this qualify him for an incentive?


Posted by: mugamack | May 9, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Loco;

They wouldnt. They were only going to buy the car for 5800

If thats not right then $280 more.

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that would be $720 more

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I think ST's contract falls in the range of 7 yrs - 18M total but do not hold me to that. Bottom line is he should be here for the OTAs especially since his role is now going to be different from last year with being more of a center fielder than up in the box. There is no reason to extend his contract with 4 years left until he proves he can be counted on to make plays and not commit stupid penalties consistently. If he has a great year this year then it is time to rework his deal.

Posted by: cdubb | May 9, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

$720 more, PD is right...

Posted by: Jon | May 9, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PDSquared | May 9, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

With our current defense - springs, m. washington, sean taylor, l. landry, and L. fletcher - we make the playoffs. If we lose springs or taylor we don't. It's that simple if you ask me. All of those guys are pro-bowl caliber players.

Posted by: Max | May 9, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

The "rookie cap" in the NFL is a sad joke. Tell me - how will Oakland fit a $50 million contract with $25 million guaranteed for JaMarcus Russell under a $3.2 million cap? It doesn't matter - the phony cap allows it to happen. Until the NFL caps the actual amounts that rookies can sign for, salary chaos will be the new dynamic. If the Bears had won the Super Bowl, would Grossman be worth $50 million? No? Try telling him that.

The issue is real - teams that get in front of it will prosper in the next few years. Teams that don't get it will be badly lacking in talent and success, when they have nothing but high-pay rookies and minimum-pay vets on their squads.

If you think the Redskins defense was bad in 2006, just imagine how bad it will be without Sean Taylor. (How bad is it without Champ? Without Antonio?) You have to take care of your own, in advance, when they are still affordable. Letting players get to the end of their contracts and hitting free agnecy is roster suicide. Ripping up rookie contracts early and adjusting to the current market will always be cheaper than the alternative, and the good will generated among players is priceless.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday John Clayton reported the skins were his #1 team to try an acquire either DE on the bears, Alex Brown or Wally A, with Brown being the favorite. guess we'll see....JLC, have you heard anything about this?

Posted by: tmac | May 9, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

It would be $720 more... but if you figure in the diminishing value of money over a period of time they probably come out even

Posted by: Dante | May 9, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh good - a new subject.

Why would the Bears FO even talk to the Redskins about Alex Brown after the Briggs shabingus? GM Angelo has probably ordered the Bears phones be programmed to block all incoming calls from Ashburn.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Otter,

Key point about Champ and Antonio is that both of them were playing up to their potential. Taylor never has. Besides, if you rewrote Taylor's contract tomorrow, he would be complaining at the end of next season that it wasn't enough and he would be skipping out on the team trying to get more.

The man has character issues.

Posted by: KK | May 9, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Diminishing value of money - that's why interest rates are always set appreciably higher than the projected inflationary rate.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Is Demetric Evan even on our team?

Posted by: Alexander | May 9, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

KK -

We will have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Max said: "With our current defense - springs, m. washington, sean taylor, l. landry, and L. fletcher - we make the playoffs. If we lose springs or taylor we don't. It's that simple if you ask me."


Oh, if only we had youthful depth. For example, the kind you get in the 2nd-4th rounders.

Eh, Joe?

Posted by: Clinton Hill | May 9, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Ouch, Clinton Hill.

Following the draft this year thru the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds was really painful - seeing all the good players go by that the Redskins had a shot at, if only they hadn't thrown away their picks in those rounds. Gibbs' prediction was right - there were a lot of really good players with value drafted in the 2nd round. I wonder why he can't seem to remember that as he is trading away "could be" picks for "has been" FA's.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

For the record, let me state that I am REALLY looking forward to yet another year of watching the Redskins' vaunted "Duct Tape Defebse".

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

DEFENSE

With these old glasses of mine, I guess I won't see that much of it very clearly anyway.

Posted by: Otter | May 9, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

new post

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Otter -- the rookie cap is set for each team based on where they are picking and how many picks they have.

"And the draft daily double also netted Oakland a rookie pool allocation of $6.913 million."
Pastabelly wants to Eat

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 9, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If grilliams is right about montgomery and golston tearing it up on the field this year, then that defense could be stellar!! Those were both great draft picks last year that the skins don't seem to get credit for. We do have some good youth at DT, and Montgomery is a BIG BOY. If he can learn some good technique, which it sounds like he has, he could be a machine in the middle. It will be interesting to see how far they have come this pre-season.

Posted by: Max | May 9, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Pardon if someone else suggested it, but maybe Taylor's move is like the Gilbert Arenas "don't get slapped with a paternity suit" move. Maybe he's avoiding being served with some papers if he can be found. On the other hand, he just seems like a moody guy.

Posted by: Grinning | May 9, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Do Mr. Snyder and Drew Rosenhaus go to the same synagogue or something? Snyder and Rosenhaus are really screwing up the Redskins.

Posted by: Todd | May 9, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

i see it now....springs and taylor for Bly and the skins 2nd rounder lol
sigh............hail

Posted by: bad santa | May 9, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

These are voluntary workouts. Voluntary. Sean Taylor has shown if it is voluntary then he would prefer to be back home in Miami. There is nothing wrong with that, at all. It has nothing to do with wanting more money, especially since with meeting incentives, he could earn like $40 Million Dollars in 6 Years. He just likes taking a break. JLC I challenge you to try and not focus on the negative, and try and find positive material for your blogs / articles. Especially negative ones that are based on pure speculation.

Posted by: Nick R. | May 10, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse


No, Sean Taylor doesn't deserve a huge payday based on his onfield performance. However, he's an intimidator back there and WRs are keeping their eyes out whenever they come across his area. He's the only guy that strikes fear into T.O. and T.O. wants no part of him. Unfortunately, the Skins have to pay him based on his ability to initimidate WRs and knock people around. How good is Roy Williams as a safety? He's pretty subpar in coverage and worse than Taylor.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 10, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I think Taylor would deserve a new contract if we kept Ryan Clark around. My logic on this you ask? Clark helped Taylor with the fundamentals of the scheme and kept his head in the game. How many 15 yard infractions on thrid down did you see when Clark was back there? And instead of owning up and spending a measly 1.5 million on Clark we let him go, we let Taylor's best friend and good influence go to Pitt. Now we have ended up spending over 15 million in trying to replace him. And that is just in paid cash, not salary for years to come. In my mind Taylor has a right to be pissed because he sees management squandering cash and being stupid. But you better bet that if he does leave us in the next few years Jason Campbell had better fear for his life because Taylor will be out to get him. Pay the man, he is the only player in the league that "plays like he has another body in the closet".

Posted by: Bgrill | May 11, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

You people are morons... We should pay Taylor his money. We wasted a ton of cash on Arch, let Ryan Clark go to Pitt for $1.5mil, and we don't know how to keep core redskins here (i.e. Pierce and Smoot). He's worried, he likes being a redskin, but he sees what happens to core redskins. They get traded or simply sign w/someone else. The skins need to wake up and keep their guys. Stop going after high priced over the hill players and keep some continuity within the locker room. He makes a hell of a lot more plays on defense than anyone else out there on the field. He's a presence and a luxury many teams would kill to have. This guy deserves his payday. He's upset and you know how stubborn the redskins are with their own....they let them whine and cry then let them go. But yet the organization loves to bring in new faces and overpay for them. It's complete BS. I'm a diehard redskins fan, but I feel the ship is sailing and Sean Taylor (the best of the bunch on D) is fielding his options. Way to go Vinny!!

Posted by: Travis | May 11, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

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