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Now What?

Some stats to mull over as the countdown to the regular-season opener now officially begins.

Brennan 13 of 18 119 yards
Mason 16 carries 64 yards
Mason 3 catches 27 yards
Mann 4 catches 39 yards
McMullen 4 catches 30 yards

176 total yards

By Cindy Boren  |  August 28, 2008; 9:55 PM ET
 
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It may be early, but I'm trying to get an early start on my cut list...which is, afterall, designed to get rid of mistakes, eliminate those not up to NFL standards, and starting to look toward the future with hope.

1. Ceratto, Vincent
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Posted by: Corkczar | August 28, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Now what? We lose to the Giants 31-6 and go on to go 5-11 this year and continue our tradition of losing of this once proud franchise.

Posted by: What else | August 28, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not one that believes Colt could walk onto the field and be a winner this year. But I can say this, I don't like JC's body language, his demeanor, and I still say he takes too long to throw the ball and continues to force it downfield instead of checking down. CP had 47 catches last year, I bet 45 of them came after Collins took over. I haven't seen anybody bring up that JC forced that pick in to Thomas while Mason was open in the flat, take the 5 or 6 and keep going, not a bad throw, but a bad decision.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 28, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Again, Mason played well with the first line which was garbage and that last line was a joke. He was playing by himself the whole night. He made good reads but that line play was bad.....

Posted by: Football Fan#1 | August 28, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Again, Mason played well with the first line which was garbage and that last line was a joke. He was playing by himself the whole night. He made good reads but that line play was bad.....

Posted by: Football Fan#1 | August 28, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Take the Giants and the Points. Bet the farm.

Posted by: Redskinrex | August 28, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

do you think the team has a motivational problem, the D gets fired up but things just feel flat?

let's hope we have a good season

Posted by: stivic | August 28, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm not part of this Frost love-fest. We've known all along he can boom them.

In a critical situation with the game on the line? Shanksville.

Posted by: Jenna | August 28, 2008 9:36 PM

Amen! He always looks like an all-star in preseason, before he drops to a 34 yard shankster in the important games. That's why the Skins drafted a punter in the first place.

Posted by: Alan | August 28, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

BTW,

Which is worse: Spurrier's Chuck 'n' Duck or whatever it is we've seen the last two weeks?

Posted by: Redskinrex | August 28, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

JC is too intelligent for the game. He needs to be less intelligent and more instinctual. He looks completely lost while trying to focus on the new drop backs! Hail 5-11 season

Posted by: Dan | August 28, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Chuck and duck was worse, this is a proven offense that has worked everywhere, this isn't Zorn's playcalling fault. Last week we couldn't block anything, this week 7 plays, but JC looks really bad to me so far. I think Zorn needs to work on his motivation skills, we don't look very focused or fired up.

Posted by: zjfr2 | August 28, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse


On the bright side, with a nationally televised game like this, the team can probably sneak almost anyone (except Colt or the punter they cut) through waivers and put them on the practice squad.

The only guys I saw that were Bubble Boys before and now look like they earned a spot are McMullan, FIncher and Jackson. Also, Horton has a rep for really hurting when he hits. And he hurt a receiver with a big hit today. He is rough, but he's worth keeping, I suspect.

I's LOVE to see the loveable trio of vets, Rock, Thrast and Boschetti make it.

Erasmus James didn't impress.

I guess they'll keep Tryon to save the embarrassment of dropping a 4th round pick, but he looks like the second coming of Rashaud Bauman, who was also about 5 feet tall.

Is it me, or does Devin Thomas, especialy on kickoffs, look like he's running in Molasses?

Oh I'd also cut Joe Gibbs old playbook,which Zorn apparently picked iup my mistake.

The SADDEST thing to me is all those pre-preseason fears about dropping a guy like Zorn into the deep end of the pool, jumping him past coordinating right to head coach appears now to open the possibility that it was a mistake.

He looked like someone had shot his dog tonight.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 28, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Girls, at the end of the day - with a gun to our head, we all knew the Zorn hire was a joke.

We are now slowly, painfully seeing this realization come true.

Posted by: gad | August 28, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse


What Lombardi would say:

"What the hell is going on out there?"

What Jim Mora would say:

"Playoffs...playoffs....we cn barely win a game..."

What Herm Edwards would say:

"You play to win the game.....hello"

What Joe Gibbs would say:

"Jason missed some things...but he hung in there"

What Pat Summerall would say:

"Pass the Courvosier"

What Colt Brennan would say:

"I accept the nomination for quarterback of the Washington Redskins"

Posted by: sicwidit | August 28, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Test

Posted by: John | August 28, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Curzon- Mcnair was good... after he sat the pine and adjusted to the NFL. Colt will be good one day, im on his bandwagon, but the diff in play is beyond what can be expected from a guy who has been in the NFL for like 36 days.

Posted by: Zornstar | August 28, 2008 10:20 PM

Agree with that Zornstar. Just commenting on the he is a wac qb.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 28, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Something else I didn't like was shots of Portis and Moss laughing after they came back from the half.

I'm old school and I'll forgive that if they beat the Giants, but funny it was not.

Posted by: Corkczar | August 28, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Another thing Herm Edwards would say:
"I'm slowly killing Cindy's Cheeves."

Posted by: Cindy | August 28, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Boy do we suck!

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

I am a Giants fan, but I have lived down here for more than 20 years, and I follow the team.

I never thought Jason Campbell had the goods. His college team was loaded with quality running backs, making his job real easy.

The management decisions that have been and continue to be made mystify me.

But the big problem is...the Redskins have no identity. It went along with Jack Kent Cooke. Until they get one, this is going to be rough.

Posted by: Silver Spring. | August 28, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse


A Yogi Berra saying here is completely appropriate: "It's gettin' late early..."

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 10:27 PM

I did not know The Truth was ugly.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 28, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs doctor injured on sideline
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Kansas City Chiefs team physician Dr. Joe Wackerle was taken from the sideline on a cart after he broke an ankle when two players crashed into him during the preseason game against the St. Louis Rams.
Wackerle was conscious when he was taken away late in the second quarter, raising his head as if to look around, but appeared to be in extreme discomfort.
A Chiefs spokesman said the white-haired physician sustained a compound fracture of the ankle. He was down for several minutes while several people tended to him.

Posted by: Cindy | August 28, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the truth can be as ugly as a $10 hooker in Times Square. Please, don't ask how I know this. Regardless, the truth about this team is ugly. I say 5-11 ugly. How's 'bout you?

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I say Georgia doesn't win the SEC Championship, let alone the national championship. That's another ugly truth.

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Until I have to finally relinquish my optimisim I will say no worse than 9-7. Not pretty, but not ugly either.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Alot of money to lay one egg.

Posted by: john b | August 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I have still not forgiven the Skins' for giving up 248 yards on the ground at home to Tiki Barber in the last game of the 06' season.

That was inexcusable.

Posted by: sicwidit | August 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Chiefs doctor injured on sideline:

Physician, heal thyself!

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I should have added to the last sentence:

just like me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 28, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Curzon

i might feel differently if i hadnt seen the sugar bowl. georgias defense was way better than the 3rd teamers he racked up his preseason stats against. that said, if JC plays bad this year, it should be an open competition. As good as I think JC is, he is all wrong for this system, its built for a guy like colt

Posted by: Zornstar | August 28, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Georgia might not even make the SEC champ game, but their d is still sick. and the third best team in the SEC is likely one of the top 5 teams in the country.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Zornstar, I agree. Georgia's team was way better than Hawaii and Colt never had a chance in that game. That said, he still is not ready to start at QB for an NFL team. I just like his instincts better than I do JC. And I am a JC supporter, but a supporter that is getting frustrated with him.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 28, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Sad to say I think our season is over before it began :( The way things are looking Zorn may not even make it through the season and even worse....we may NEVER score a TD again!!!

Posted by: Lisa | August 28, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

i think it is less instincts than it is mechanics and throwing motion. colt has more time based on his quick release. but we agree that colt should be redshirted

Posted by: zornstar | August 28, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will get it together. London Fletcher and Clinton Portis will call for one of those players-only come-to-Jesus meetings after the 4th game, at which point they will be 1-3. They'll tighten their shti up and finish out 10-6 for the regular season.

Posted by: Alan | August 28, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

lisa, have a little faith. wait till the giants route us on opening day before you give up on scoring touchdowns

Posted by: Zornstar | August 28, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

You people are nuts....it's the friggin PRESEASON

Posted by: CMoney | August 28, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

alan, from long range.... clank. sorry, please try again

Posted by: Zorn to be wild | August 28, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

West Coast Offense? We've got the Three Point Offense.

Posted by: Barry O'Bama | August 28, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn to be wild, you're right, the meeting will happen after their 1-4, not 1-3.

The rest of the scenario is GOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!!

Posted by: Alan | August 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

lisa

snyder cant fire another coach midseason, especially after the coaching search debacle

Posted by: Zorn in the USA | August 28, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Alan, if the skins close out the season 9 and 2 i will shave the hair off my ass and wear it as a moustache. put that in the archive.

Posted by: Zorn again christian | August 28, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams was very gracious tonight - gave props to our players, fans, coaches, even Snyder and Vinny. Said he welled up a bit when landing today and that he hopes we have a great season (good luck with that).

I miss him.....

Posted by: Lisa | August 28, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Zornie baby, I can do without the visual! I hope you're not one of those dudes that looks like a woolly mammoth from behind... consider it archived.

Posted by: Alan | August 28, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Um, if Campbell sucks they are going to have to go out and get a QB. A 40 year old TC and Colt Brennan are not the answers. We have to hope #17 removes his head from his a*s and throws the ball on time. You could maybe attribute the mistakes at the end of games last year to his youth but this preseason has done nothing to show progress.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

it just ended. sooooooooooooooo what you guys think?

i only started watching after 10:15. I thought he did okay. i never felt the goosebumps. i don't really care i just hope he does well while in office. a lot is riding on him. yes, i'm talking about obama and not jc or zorn.

i have nothing to say about the game. though LH and lisa have been very funny tonite.

Posted by: dealer | August 28, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Any QB is going to suck if he gets hit enough. And if they don't suck, they just get hurt (see: McNabb, Donovan). Campbell needs better protection or he just won't develop. He's a pocket passer, not a real mobile QB.

Posted by: Alan | August 28, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts: Kevin Blackistone SUCKS! Comcast needs to remove him from the Postgame Show - he's an evil man!

Lavar Arrington I love :) Lavar is being kind to the team and said we should not judge them until ALL the starters play more than 7 plays in a REAL game.

Posted by: Lisa | August 28, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

So im thinking Greg Williams just said "we're even".

Posted by: Leacher | August 28, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

+++ Sorry for the delay in updating the blog. We're doing some more computer updates and it's preventing us from adding anything. Should be up before the game starts.
Oh and Jason phoned in and said that Marcus Mason will get the start tonight in place of Portis. More on that in a bit.

Posted by: Cindy | August 28, 2008 2:48 PM +++

Less than a hour before kickoff. Big game tonight. Lot on the line for the young guys trying to make the roster. Plus it's the return of Double G. A lot of big decisions to make - how long should the starters play, does Colt come in with the 2nd string, and many more. However, none can be as important as the one question I'm about to ask. In the history of this great organization, nothing could be more important. When it comes to the game tonight, should I wear my maroon and black poncho or my maroon and yellow poncho?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 6:28 PM +++

Okay, so earlier today I put up a fake post from Cindy stating that Mason would start. Then later I asked the question about Colt going in with the 2nd string. Wouldn't you know it, both of those things happened.

Posted by: Irony or Blog Justice? | August 28, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

i still say bill clinton will go in the history books as one of the best orators (presidential) (top 4) in our history. i'm thinking abe, jfk, rosevelt, franklin and clinton...my top 4.

obama was just awesome, better than bill 4 years ago at the DNC but was slightly disappointed tonite. for some stupid reason i had the expectations that he was gonna top the "i have a dream speech"...did not happen...

Posted by: dealer | August 28, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

How about Justin Hamilton. Think there is a spot for him on this team? I think he along with Landry, Doughty and Moore should be the four Safetys we keep on this team. Maybe we keep Chris Horton but he looks like he isnt ready. Maybe PS for him.

Posted by: Will (Bethesda) | August 28, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

no fcking way @ 11:10 anon...are you serious? cindy, is that true? lol...that's pretty good...now do it again!

Posted by: dealer | August 28, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Lavar Arrington I love :) Lavar is being kind to the team and said we should not judge them until ALL the starters play more than 7 plays in a REAL game.

Posted by: Lisa | August 28, 2008 11:05 PM


For a guy who retired from a different uniform, he sure has made it known he enjoyed playing as a Redskin.

Posted by: Leacher | August 28, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Umm, Dealer,

Clinton was not a great oratOR. He was a great oratEE.

Posted by: Carver9 | August 28, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah dump Blackistone. We only commiserate after the games with players we love and allow to criticize the skins. He stinks. He has no pedigree.

How about Zorn channeling Gibbs on the 3rd and ones and 4th and ones up the middle. At first I thought maybe old Gibber was circling the stadium in a black Nascar with a 2007 Skins headset that still had batteries. "Up the middle" "23 gut" "42 belly" " full back dive".

Posted by: DTC | August 28, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind kickin' it back and forth about football, but seriously; let's try to keep the politics out of this blog. I go to this to get away from that crap.

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Anybody besides me think Sean Merriman's nuts to try and play with all that ligament damage in his knee?

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell:

“If people start to panic, if they start to panic now … we had three great first preseason games offensively,” said Campbell, who completed one of four passes for three yards. “We struggled against Carolina and then tonight we had three series and shot ourselves in the foot a couple of times.
“It’s nothing to start getting discouraged about because everything we’re doing is very correctable. We can’t hit that panic mode. If we start panicking, you can’t start the season off as strong as you want.”

Posted by: Cindy | August 28, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Please note that I was talking about Mr. Merriman's mental condition, not his "junk". I just re-read my last post and embarrased myself...

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

A lot guys like Madden are all over my jock..even though I get beat all the time and give up sacks everywhere I line up... everyone says I'm going to be great.

That makes me and my parents feel awesome. Pass the corn.

Posted by: Rhinehart | August 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

At first I thought maybe old Gibber was circling the stadium in a black Nascar with a 2007 Skins headset that still had batteries. "Up the middle" "23 gut" "42 belly" " full back dive".

Posted by: DTC | August 28, 2008 11:14 PM

*snicker*

They don't call them "Nascars," you goose.

Posted by: freakzilla | August 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell looks like he's been overcoached. A little benign neglect and let him fling it a bit more would probably go a long way.

That said, Cooley drops a well throw ball and Devin Thomas has to make a better play on the INT. Not to put to fine a point on what I said last week, but if that WR is Anquan Boldin and not Devin Thomas, that INT is a completion instead.


Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 28, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Rhinehart, think I would still be on the team if I hadn't restructured my contract ten times so that my cap number would ruin the whole team if they cut me?

Watch and learn how I start the season on one good leg...

Posted by: Jansen | August 28, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell:

“If people start to panic, if they start to panic now … we had three great first preseason games offensively,” said Campbell, who completed one of four passes for three yards. “We struggled against Carolina and then tonight we had three series and shot ourselves in the foot a couple of times.
“It’s nothing to start getting discouraged about because everything we’re doing is very correctable. We can’t hit that panic mode. If we start panicking, you can’t start the season off as strong as you want.”


Posted by: Cindy | August 28, 2008 11:21 PM
_____________________

Spoken like the captain of the Titanic.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I liked Zorn's decision to go for it on 4th down and to try to run it into the heart of the defense. The preseason is the time to determine how much the guys on the line want it. They didn't want it enough. That is useful information, even if it looks ugly to us.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 28, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Pre-season or not, ineptitude is ineptitude, and I agree that Zorn was a mistake, score another one for Danno!
UVA is going to go against USC this weekend, unless I err, this score will make the last 2 Skins scores seem serene!

Posted by: J.R. | August 28, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

AL Zeke, I agree with you....as did Lavar.

When commenting on the INT he said "dropped ball by a rookie WR" said it was not Campbell fault and it should have been caught.

Posted by: Lisa | August 28, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

As ugly as this was, I can forgive almost all the things I saw except 1. The lack of fire and the lack of anger. This team was supposed to be angry after getting embarrassed. But I didn't see any shots of Zorn barking at anyone. I didn't see shots of angry players.

Its preseason, but the tone set by the Carolina loss didn't change tonight at home, against Jax. And that is the one real problem with this team.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 28, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm faster than I appear on TV.

I am owned in less than 15% of fantasy leagues.

People like me because I am a great decoy. Since linebackers can easily cover me I am able to attract would be tacklers away from the line of scrimmage on draw plays, a favorite in the Zorn offense.

Posted by: James Thrash | August 28, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I have been a redskins fan for 50 years.This is getting to be so sad. Sorry folks,Jason Campbell will never make it. There are players who have a sense of making the right decision at the right time and Jason is not one of these.If he had finished the season last year the skins would probably have been 5-11 definitely not in the playoffs. When will the skins management realize this?

Posted by: Moose | August 28, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

We want Tryon to make the team. He looks pretty tough. Tell Blache to put him in on Nickel situations down on the goal line.

Posted by: NFC East Receivers | August 28, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Tryon played the entire game... and totally failed to impress.

Most of the 1st half passes were thrown either to him or Doughty and almost exclusively to him after the interception. I can't remember him defending a single pass (quite the mismatch with Tryon defending against 6-6 Jones).

I'd be really surprised if he's not cut and if he's really lucky he might be signed to the practice squad...

Posted by: Siris | August 28, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

people y'all need to chill...its preseason...nervous yes, sky is falling...not yet!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 28, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

If anyone was watching Zorn's press conference... what did he say about Malcolm Kelly that got Lavar all fired up?

Posted by: Goozhead | August 28, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Attention all the new barnos, and anyone else that might care (Not that anyone does), but this is the first Barno here, the original, the OG, whatever you want to call me. The who wrote Wake Me Up Before You Go Joe, the great song never sung, to the tune of the 1980s Wham! hit song Wake Me Up. Way back in september of 06, the one who got "scorned" by JLC, and then criticized the beat reporter and was pretty consistent on here the past 2 years until this off season. Then someone(s) besides me starting posting under the Barno handle, which I still find hilarious. The name will carry on even when I'm not around. Hysterical to me.

Anyhow, every once in a while I'll drop back on here and those who are a little more astute will be able to distingish the imposter(s) from yours truly, Original Barno (Not to be confused with any of the new Barnos).

And just for anyone that cares (not that anyone does) know that any message under the Barno handle, from now until opening night, will not be from me.

Peace.

Go Skins

Posted by: The Original Barno (not to be confused with the new Barnos) |

Posted by: The Original Barno (not to be confused with the new Barnos) | August 28, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

chris larry michaels?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 28, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

On the bright side Malcolm Kelly and Jason Taylor are still each about 14 days from playing.

Zorn is "working on a plan" for Kelly. Jason Taylor is hoping to try putting some weight on his knee, leading up to his regular season debut.

Posted by: DTC | August 28, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

So do you think Marcus Mason showed enough to make the team?

Posted by: Just a Fan | August 28, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

JC was a 16th round mercy pick, in a ten-team fantasy draft of mostly Skins fans. Say what you will about fantasy football and the geeks who play it, but that's pretty damning.

Roethlisberger
Larry Johnson
Earnest Graham
Randy Moss
Anquan Boldin
Nate Burleson
Todd Heap
Gostkowski
Vikings

Posted by: SMACK | August 28, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I never thought Jason Campbell had the goods. His college team was loaded with quality running backs, making his job real easy.

Posted by: Silver Spring. | August 28, 2008 10:28 PM

Silver Spring, how many yards did these "quality running backs" pile up last season? I looked it up: 602 and 208 yards, respectively. By the way, Auburn had an undefeated season with Campbell as the starting QB. And before you proclaim that Jason Campbell does not have the goods, ask Auburn fans who from that undefeated team was the SEC offensive player of the year, SEC championship game MVP, and Sugar Bowl MVP? I'll give you a hint, it was not a running back.

Posted by: M | August 28, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Moose. Fan since 1969. Campbell just isn't the one. Might as well start Colt.

Posted by: Biggles6 | August 29, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Vin Vinny Vin, Vin Vinny Vin,
Vin vin veroo, he likes the players he drafted...and Danny does too...

Vin Vinny WIN VINNY or we'll soon be rid of you.....

Posted by: Charlie Poppins Casserly | August 29, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse


Anybody besides me think Sean Merriman's nuts to try and play with all that ligament damage in his knee?

Posted by: Face the Ugly Truth | August 28, 2008 11:21 PM

I don't know why you're thinking about his nuts...

But yeah, Merriman is stupid to risk permanent injury to his knee and potentially never walking without pain again. He could permanently damage his muscles, cartilage, bone, or other ligaments by playing with the torn PCL and LCL ligaments.

The NFL should heavily penalize the Chargers for allowing a severely injured player to play.

Posted by: Siris | August 29, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Anybody out there want to be head coach of the Redskins if Zorn leaves?

Posted by: Vinny | August 29, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

The real season starts in a week. If we lose that game, THEN we can call for everyone's head. Until then, let's just enjoy our TCCLs and Cooley Short-Shorts.

My prediction: 5-11. But I'd love to be pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 29, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe you people. You moan all week about 5 preseason games. You call Zorn a fool for playing his starters. Some of you plead that he just run the ball and come out of the game with no injuries. To the best of my knowledge that is what he did. He got to see the players that were on the bubble play for most of the game. Zorn is not a yeller. Some have talked about his composure. He isn't going to be a Buddy Ryan.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Also, we were all in awe after the first two games about play calling, execution, and minimizing penalties. Now most of you are predicting doom and gloom. Zorn is smart enough to not reveal most of his game plans in preseason. As for execution and penalties, most of those players won't be with the team next week. They know it. Maybe that explains the underperformance. Those guys on the bubble (Fincher, Horton, Boschetti, McMullen) played their butts off.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

And finally, give Zorn and Campbell some time. I, like some, am enamored with Colt Brennan, but don't want him to be our starter right now. I agree that he has the moxie that we all wish JC had. However, JC is our starter and it is a new offense (however offensive it is right now). Our defense will keep us in most games until the offense catches up.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Anon, there is a lot of space in between the demeanor of Buddy Ryan and Jim Zorn. Zorn should be mad about what he saw. As a player, if I lost 47-3, I'd be angry. Did the Skins players look angry?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 29, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I think JC has a case of the Patrick Ramseys. He just kinda sits there and hesitates until he's sacked, makes a poor decision, or throws it away. Ramsey had great physical talent when he got here, just like they keep saying about JC, but after a while, it all disappeared under an avalanche of blitzes.

Not jumping on the CB bandwagon just yet, but JC needs to make it work, sooner than later.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

can we all just agree were glad games that don't count are over?????

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 29, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

no fcking way @ 11:10 anon...are you serious? cindy, is that true? lol...that's pretty good...now do it again!

Posted by: dealer | August 28, 2008 11:13 PM

Okay...John McCain will name Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty as his VP. Oh and he'll also win the Presidency over Obama.

Posted by: Irony or Political Justice? | August 29, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bangkokben | August 29, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Zeke,

Different anon at 12:37 then my three posts. Anyway, no the players didn't look angry. It's only a preseason game. Heck they didn't even look angry in real games they lost last year.
Instead of looking angry, I'd rather they play with a sense of purpose. Some of the players did tonight. Others, like I said, probably already have a feeling that they're not going to be on the team.
Also, getting angry or playing angry can lead to mistakes. I'd rather the players remain composed and make the plays. I think our starters will once the season starts.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Good post ben. I think Pat Kirwan is one of the better writers out there. Wish he had a column like Peter King's.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

BTW Ben, how do you like living in bangkok? I've been to Bangkok and Pattaya but only for a few days each. Often thought of going back someday and spending a longer amount of time there.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=282412579

I'm thinking of bringing this coach in for a look. His team can score some points.

Posted by: Dan Snyder | August 29, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Anon, and yes, you know which Anon you are, I can see players not being angry if they lose in preseason. I can't see losing 47-3 and 24-3 not making guys angry. At some point, pride has to kick in, even its preseason. I'd rather see a mistake or two from being too aggressive instead of what looked like apathy.

Last year, the Skins were in pretty much every game, save the one vs the Pats. You are right about keeping composure instead of losing it in these close games.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 29, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

not only are these meaningless games over and done with, but (mostly) nobody got hurt.

as bad as the offensive line may have looked, out there gobble-wobbling against buge's wishes, what really would have sucked is if one of those guys blew out an ACL and was lost for the year.

relatively scot-free in terms of injuries, despite the fact that they played 5 games.

i've just enjoyed seeing colt brennan and guys like horton and fincher stepping up.

maybe it will be a tough year, but i'm damn excited to go into the week knowing it's on on thursday in the super bowl giants' backyard.

finally-

the offense can't get any worse than it's been for the past four years. so we got that going for us.

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 29, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Anon,

I love living in Bangkok but then again I like summer in DC.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 29, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

by the way, what number does fincher wear?

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 29, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

okay...don't kill the messenger...i only got one thing to report...john madden, a guy who has forgotten more football than we'll ever know (combined) put the INT on JC after looking at it a couple of times on replay...he said he waited a bit longer to throw the ball...defender knocked the ball out of davis' hands it didn't bounce off of him...

i'm reporting...here...ya'll know my opinion of jc now...no need to repeat 'em...but that's coming from madden. and someone up here said that our own HOFer, sonny, wasn't too pleased either with JC's play...

...just reporting...

btw...zorn was a qb coach last year...so this is OJT for him...like someone said it's not his fault that he's in the situation he's in...

smack, what's going on with jason garret? is he going to take over next year?

so i guess next year there will be an opening in SF. so danny's gonna have to shell out atleast 10-12 mil a year for cowher cuz i'm pretty sure cowher would rather go to SF where he can have complete control et all...

btw...LH, were you high on something when you wrote that thing about forest gump...i'm still laughing at that...

Posted by: dealer | August 29, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

all campbell needs is blocking.

that's all.

PS michelle obama will be the hottest first lady ever. yes, better looking than jackie O.

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 29, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Don't get discouraged if your team didn't look sharp this past weekend and don't think the Super Bowl is within reach just because your team rolled over someone. Teams need to make sure they have the right players to fill out the 53-man roster and the right eight players on the practice squad. That is alot more important than any timing issues an offense or defense needs to master.

Just look at what the Jaguars did last year with Leftwich and Garrard for proof.

this is from ben's post...above...there is HOPE!

Posted by: dealer | August 29, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

pat kirwan.

porn star?

he's got the look...

Posted by: dwdjmu | August 29, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Al Zeke, I think Campbell looks overcoached. From what I've heard Zorn likes to throw a steady stream of critiques at his quarterbacks and seems pretty measured with his praise. I would guess this only works with certain types of personalities. I think Campbell might be a little too coachable. It's like he doesn't ever reach that point where he says "shut up and let me play". He seems too interested in pleasing people and doing things the right way. Too much criticism might become paralyzing for him in a game situation because he can't react instinctively. He's too much in his head.

Posted by: F.I.T.S | August 29, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Here goes:
Ever since Bugs daughter this team hasn't been the same. You get the feeling that the Skins are snake-bit. I'm sure the players are feeling it. They have been uninspired the past few games. Maybe 1 game to many. These past two games have been ugly. Lets see how they respond. If they play well in NY then this has been just Vets coasting. If not then it is possible that Zorn has lost this team early. I think he needs to start coaching the whole team. He has a QB coach. HC's don't spend all there time obsessing over one position. Thats why you go from position coach to coordinator and then HC. Campbell hasn't gotten any better over the years. Forget the so many offenses in so many years stuff his technique is not any better. We need a QB. Haven't had one in a while. The O line needs to stay healthy. The DB's look horrible. We need Landry back in the worse way. You can tell that teams have no fear going against our "D" right now. Landry will bring that fear back. And Tyron, how did we pick this guy. He gets beat by everyone. This team is going to get old fast along both lines. That is the scariest thing. Remember when Gibbs left the first time. The team was aging at the same time. I get the same feel this time. One last thing. Our owner and GM (HA) haven't got a clue. The Danny may be a maven at making money but has NO CLUE on how to build a team. Draft a pass catching TE when we already have one. Two receivers when we linemen in the worse way. We need a real GM to get this team back on track. This is going to be a long few years. The toughest division in the NFL and Dallas is a young team. We better get used to a few 4-12 years.

Posted by: bishopj36 | August 29, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

phew, glad i watched the convention instead.

Posted by: FreeDC | August 29, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Considering his preseason, Doughty getting that interception tonight was like putting whipped cream on s#@t

Posted by: well... | August 29, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

i want to think that zorn is using his zen thingie...you know...couching tiger hidden dragon typa deal...when the real season begins the giants/nfl won't know what hit 'em...bammm TD's! all around...

Posted by: dealer | August 29, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

My crack at the final 53:

QB: Campbell, Collins, Brennan
RB: Portis, Betts, Cartwright
FB: Sellers
TE: Cooley, Yoder, Davis
WR: Moss, Randle El, Thrash, Thomas, Kelly, McMullen
OL: Samuels, Jansen, Rabach, Thomas, Kendall, Heyer, Rinehart, Fabini, Geisinger
DL: Taylor, Griffen, Montgomery, Carter, Golston, Alexander, James, Evans, Jackson, Boschetti
LB: Fletcher, McIntosh, Washington, Campbell, Blades, Fincher
CB: Springs, Rogers, Smoot, Westbrook, Torrence
S: Landry, Doughty, Moore, Horton
K: Suisham
P: Frost
LS: Albright

This gives us some flexibility (i.e. Alexander can play multiple line positions on O & D, Horton can play CB or S, Yoder can be back up FB in emergency during a game)

As much as I wanted to keep Mason, depth on O & D lines is more important. Heck I even wanted to keep Crummey and Wilson but there just aren't enough spots. Tryon goes to the practice squad. Don't think anyone grabs him after his performances. Crummey to the PS too, hope he stays there.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

'Now What?' is a great heading for this post.

Now what am I going to do today?!? My mouth was watering for at least 4 topping pizza for $9.99 today at work from PapaJohns!

Posted by: 4th | August 29, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Dealer - I hope you vetted Obama before you made those statements.......

Posted by: 4th | August 29, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

What was Gibbs 2.1's preseason record?

Posted by: 4th | August 29, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

There is nothing to judge the defense by, only a couple of the guys out there will be playing in the regular season. The first offense played (is that being generous?) only 7 plays. And while they were ugly, it is only 7 plays.

What I don't see is the energy that is needed to compete. On the TD that Richardson got beat on, he was giving a 10 yard cushion and the guy still blew by him.

As for Campbell's INT, I'll stand by my earlier comments. Good WRs fight for that ball. Art Monk makes that catch every time. That's why he is in the Hall of Fame.

Anquan Boldin makes that catch. That's why I want him here in DC. Thrash might have made that catch.

That pick is on Devin Thomas, who won't be seeing much playing time.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 29, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas AND Malcom Kelly for Anquan Boldin.

Won't happen until next year, though....

Posted by: 4th | August 29, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

That pick is on Devin Thomas, who won't be seeing much playing time.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 29, 2008 2:13 AM

Rookies make mistakes by the bushel. Get used to it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

4th, didn't feel him tonite...alirght...i'm out...procrastinating like crazy and now look what time it is...and gota get up in the morning to go to work...peace...

can't wait till thursday...thank god for the long weekend...wooohooooooo!

Posted by: dealer | August 29, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

I gotta feel they were showcasing Mason hoping to shop him. Hurts that he couldn't pick up anything in short yardage.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 29, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

Campbell lacks fire and passion and is too stiff and mechanical. Just doesn't have that intangible quality that good QB's have. And it seems so easy to strip the ball from him and I think the opponents know that and go after it especially with him.

Madden was fawning over Brennan saying he brought energy and life to the offense when he steps on the field. I can feel it too. Brennan's energy reminds me a little of Favre. And we've never seen him with the first team offense. He'd look even better. Campbell may have a big arm, but he is lifeless.

I see no great solution for QB this season: a sedated robot, a 40 year old, or a rookie.

Posted by: Austin | August 29, 2008 4:22 AM | Report abuse

That pick is on Devin Thomas, who won't be seeing much playing time.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | August 29, 2008 2:13 AM

Rookies make mistakes by the bushel. Get used to it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 2:20 AM

Anon, my point was that Campbell wasn't as bad as the numbers suggest. If his receivers play well, Campbell is 3/4 for 30 yards. Not 1/4 for 3 and a pick.

I'm thinking Zorn won't use 3 WR sets as often as most WCOs do. He just doesn't have the WRs.

As for rookies making mistakes, yes. Devin Thomas showed me nothing in this game. But thats was to be expected from a rookie who is probably still not in game shape while coming back from injury.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 4:32 AM | Report abuse

I thought Kelly was going to play. Anyone know what happened to him? Devin Thomas is not looking good at all. He seems slow and hesitant.

Posted by: ga_skins_fan | August 29, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

It's just practice

Posted by: Hey | August 29, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow the Deadskins sucked. Shame you all cant cut Danny Boy, Vinny and Tomkat. Thought the Deadskins might go 4-12. Oops I was wrong 2-14 and maybe the worse record in the NFL.

Campbell is confused and lost. Something happened after the first three games. Maybe he isnt smart enough or Zorn threw too much at him. Simple works best.

Now all you Deadskin fans can discuss who to select with the first pick and how many
games Zorn will last before Danny Boy brings in the "Chin".

Only thing that will end the misery is new ownership for you Deadskin fans.

Have a great Giants Day and dont be surprised when Danny Boy jacks you ticket prices to match ours for the new stadium. He is falling behind in revenue to the Maras' and Jone's! Wonder how he can work in new PSLs for you all.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Lets move the team and kill ourselves, we lost a meanigless preseason game were we played no defensive starters. Also stop saying our starting offense played because I did not see Portis, Moss or ARE. JC should have been 3/4 Devin Thomas has to come back and get that ball, and Cooley makes that catch 9/10 times. I guess if Zorn was a good coach he would of pulled a gun and shot some players. Just because you do not tear in to your players on the sideline does not mean you are a bad coach, you have no idea of what he said to them in the locker room. We made it out of the game injury free, so stop with all the doom and gloom and let the F_cking team play a real game before you start crying.

Gibbs was 6-11 in preseason.

The colts are 5-17 since 2004 including 0-5 in 2005 then they went 14-2 in the regular season.

I wonder if they were all angry on the sideline because they were loosing preseason games.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Corkzar,

Lets fire Vinny for the draft picks because all draftpicks come out there first year and light it up, you are the biggest idiot on here I actually think you are a Cowgirls fan.

Al,

Lets trade the recievers because they have done nothing so far, maybe the 49rs should have traded Jerry Rice after he dropped his first 15 passes his rookie season. That would have been real smart.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Been a Redskins fan since the mid 70's...
The only times I remember the offense looking good for the whole preseason was the year Theisman broke his leg. '85 was it? I thought this is the year we go back, then the regular season happened and he plain stunk - comparing him to his previous self. The other time was the 'ol ball coach. Now Osaka is synomonous with Oh sucka!

Posted by: bangkokben | August 29, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

If the Skins keep Betts and let Mason go it will be a travesty.

Posted by: DC Voter | August 29, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

It's time to break out the bag head for Skins Games. This team stinks to high hell -- compared to how much this team stinks, three day old garbage smells like a pile of roses by comparison. Campbell is a bum, along with the entire offense line. We need some trades of something. Speaking of the line, for a fat pile of crap, John Jansen can't do anything. The skins have been known for having the hogs back in the day, but this line should be called the pile of crap -- given that's what they are.

Posted by: SkinsPaperBagHead | August 29, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow.. just wow. What will you all do now that the football season is over?

I said a long time ago that starting 1-5 was a realistic possibility for this team; the big change from preseason is that the defense hasn't looked very good. It's quite possible that is due to personnel, but some of it is probably due to a dropoff from Greggg to Greg.
I still have some confidence that the D will hold most opponents to 20 points, which gives them a shot to win every week.
This season is all about getting Zorn that first year of experience.

Posted by: cload & daggar | August 29, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

km, well said.

The pats are 0-4 in preseason, I expect them to Fire Belichick ANY second now. Not to mention the Colts firing Tony Dungy.

Here is my favorite line from above:

"Anquan Boldin makes that catch"

Really?? Can you quantify that? How do you know this?? Please, I'm all ears, back this up with some FACTUAL EVIDENCE otherwise this is just you having a hard on for this player THATS NOT COMING HERE.

Go root for the Cardinals...you seem to have a special place in your heart for them.

That being said, I think Fincher made the team last night, he was all over EVERYTHING. I think Mason had 4-5 cracks at 3rd or 4th and 1, and never got it done, which was disappointing. I thought that Tryon while getting beat, had good tight coverage every time I saw him. I think Wilson had a good showing but he's a boom/bust type guy. One play he's pressuring the qb, the next play he's getting mauled by a 3rd sting tackle. I thought James played well for someone coming back from a knee injury. I thought Heyer looked good in his brief appearance, which might have been the best news of the night to me...

Thats all I've got....

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Grg I agree with everything you said except about Tryon, He looked like some straight sh!t through the whole preseason. CUT HIS A$$!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

scamp, I thought he had good coverage on a lot of those plays. I think he's improved from the start of the preseason.

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Fincher is gonna make it tough for the coaching staff. Love how doughty finally makes a play affirms his entire career. Wouldnt be so quick to cut Tryon Still think thats a kid you keep and teach the game to.

Posted by: Stu | August 29, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

What Lombardi would say:

"What the hell is going on out there?"

What Jim Mora would say:

"Playoffs...playoffs....we cn barely win a game..."

What Herm Edwards would say:

"You play to win the game.....hello"

What Joe Gibbs would say:

"Jason missed some things...but he hung in there"

What Pat Summerall would say:

"Pass the Courvosier"

What Colt Brennan would say:

"I accept the nomination for quarterback of the Washington Redskins"

Posted by: sicwidit | August 28, 2008 10:21 PM
******************************************
What Norv Turner would say
"We had plays, but we just didn't make plays tonight".

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

What George Allen would say:
"Losing is a little bit like death"

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 29, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

He gets picked on too easily. They throw 6'6" guys and up at him and he doesn't have a chance. He's out of position quite a bit, and good coverage doesn't seem to mean much with him because the recievers still catch the ball and drag him 5 more yards. Practice squad 'til he improves. He'll make it through waivers.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

In preseason, it does not matter if you win or lose. It is the little nuances that you have to be look at and make decisions about to determine where the team is.
Campbell should of never thrown the ball to Thomas in the first place. He forced it into coverage. The defender got a hand on the ball and there was four Jacksonville defenders around the ball and only Thomas. That was not a rookie mistake.
Samuels was pushed back into the pocket on the first Redskin offensive play of the game.
You have two 4th and 1 and cannot convert either one.
It is good to have your emotions under control, especially if you are the Quarterback, but after a second lackadaisical outing I would expect a little more aggressive response from the team leader.

Posted by: Longtime Fan | August 29, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

My six roster predictions:

Malcolm Kelly on IR.
McMullen on the roster.
Fincher on the roster.
Tryon on the practice squad.
Erasmus James on the roster.
Mason on the roster, or traded.

Today, Vinny's trying to trade either Brooks or Frost for a seventh round pick. Jacksonville should be interested. Which one he keeps may come down to whether he can work a trade for the other.

Kelly and Thomas are Taylor Jacobs-style busts but as I see it this is on them, not the guy who selected them. They weren't ready for the NFL, and they need a new start next year.

I can't wait for the season to start. I don't think we'll have a good record this year but -- fair weather or foul -- I look forward to every play of every game. Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

If by good coverage you meant that Tryon let everyone run past him and then he tried to make a play on the ball but just couldn't, then I agree with you Greg. Tryon had good coverage.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Quick poll. How many LB's do we keep? And who are they? Fincher has looked pretty good and played really well last night. As for WR, McMullen made some pretty tough catches again last night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I looking at pre season for what it is. Pre season! My judgement will come next week on that first drive. If they come out and show some heart then we will all forget what happen the last two games.

Posted by: jm220 | August 29, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say 6 LB's and Fincher makes it plus the other obvious 5. McMullen over Mix and Mason with the special teams takes Mix's spot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

What George Allen would say,
"40 men together can't lose!"

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 29, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

scampbell,

See all 53 of my picks above.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 1:36 AM

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

ColtBrennanColtBrennanColtBrennan!

Madden is hyped on that kid!

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE | August 29, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Washington, Fletcher,Mcintosh, Kheary Cambell, HB Blades, Fincher. think thatll be it

Posted by: Stu | August 29, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

What Jim "Mora" Zorn would say:

"Pre-season! We're not even good enough for pre-season. Pre-season!"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I only saw a little bit last nite (didn't think they'd show it up against the Dolphins...). But I agree that McMullen looked promising. Can we agree to call him McLovin?

Posted by: Dik | August 29, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

What Coach Beck would say -

In the time of chimpanzees I was chris larry.

Posted by: chRIs LaRry | August 29, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I agree with alot of what you post but to say Kelly and Thomas are busts is crazy give the guys a chance, receivers take a little while to develop.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

scampbell,

See all 53 of my picks above.
Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 1:36 AM


Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 8:51 AM

Yea, that's pretty much what I have. The only one i might disagree on (although I hate to say it) is Boschetti. I think Mason may get that spot, we'll see.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The first person cut should be Cedric Holt. He should have been cut last night.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. So that means that someone else thinks that Frosty has kept his job for another year. Maybe we can put Brooks on the practice squad.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Tryon to the practice squad at the most. I really doubt anyone will pick him up. Dude has looked awful.

What college is he from again? I was trying to remember last night and couldn't.


But I agree that it won't hurt to give him some time and try to develop him. I have no problem trying to develop all rookies for a year or two, maybe three if they show progress. But Tryon is nowhere near game ready right now. Imagine him trying to defend TO or Randy Moss. They would literally score a TD every time.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

to say Kelly and Thomas are busts is crazy give the guys a chance, receivers take a little while to develop.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 8:55 AM

I can see your point and maybe I am premature. But the only way receivers can develop is on the field. They can't do it "working with trainers" on the sidelines.

Both of these guys have essentially thrown away their first year by showing up out of condition. Next year in training camp they will be rookies, again, and hopefully in condition to play in the NFL. So, they don't even begin their professional careers until next year.

That, to me, is a bust for a second round pick. Fifth round, I could accept. But second rounders have to be more professional than either of these jerks.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

What college is he from again? I was trying to remember last night and couldn't.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:01 AM

"University" of Georgia.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Frosty's a holder too, don't forget. & He'll lay a whuppin on Special Teams. So he's not the most consistent... He's far from terrible.

The new kid looks great, but he's just a kid. I would hate to see him get beat as the last tackle on a return.. or see him muff a snap on a crucial field goal.

Posted by: Dik | August 29, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Kelly and Thomas are Taylor Jacobs-style busts but as I see it this is on them, not the guy who selected them. They weren't ready for the NFL, and they need a new start next year.

Absolutely BRILLIANT.

Dump 2 second round picks after one season.
Wow...

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Truth--The dude was from UCLA.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Also, I like the idea of trading whichever punter can get us a draft pick, but I do feel bad that that punter will most likely be Durant Brooks. I wanted Brooks to make the team for obvious reasons, but someone will chalk up a 7th rounder for him I would think.

And yes, Holt should be gone and should have been gone already.

Horton needs to stay, he's a bruiser.


Somewhat discouraged here, but not in panic mode just yet. JC needs to prove something this year though. If THAT was the Giants game I had watched last night and seen those same results, THEN I'd be VERY upset. That would've been unacceptable. Good thing is our starters are getting rest, Jason Taylor I have a feeling will be back, LL will be back.

Also, I'm pretty sure preseason is NOT the place to show your playbook, so I have no problem with that really.

That said, there's definitely cause for concern right now...

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

scampbell -

I looked at 6 guys for that final roster spot (Mason, Wade, Crummey, Wilson, Boschetti, and Tryon). I think the OL is deep enough and Alexander could fill in in a pinch, but I'd consider keeping Crummey. On the DL just too many DE's to keep Wilson. For CB's, Tryon just needs more seasoning. So that pretty much narrowed it down to Mason or Boschetti. Both had pretty good pre-seasons. But do you keep a 4th string RB or a potentially 2nd string DT? I think we're going to play a lot more defense this year than offense, so I say give me a full compliment on the DL.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Dump 2 second round picks after one season.
Wow...


Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 9:03 AM

Not even a season, Greg. A pre-season in which they essentially couldn't participate because they weren't in shape.

Where did you read the word "dump"? We're stuck with them for at least another year to see if they can't get themselves into shape to play in the NFL.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"I can see your point and maybe I am premature. But the only way receivers can develop is on the field. They can't do it "working with trainers" on the sidelines.

Both of these guys have essentially thrown away their first year by showing up out of condition. Next year in training camp they will be rookies, again, and hopefully in condition to play in the NFL. So, they don't even begin their professional careers until next year.

That, to me, is a bust for a second round pick. Fifth round, I could accept. But second rounders have to be more professional than either of these jerks.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:02 AM "


You DO know we haven't even played on regular season game yet, don't you? What planet are you living on? And calling them jerks? Get over yourself.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I still do not know why people think Frost AKA shank keeps his job. He had one good kick last night. The second kick although long outkicked the coverage, when the punt returner caught the ball there were no redskins for 15yrds. You just cant punt the ball far there is a thing called hangtime, plus the lastime he had a competition in preseason he did well but then came the regular season were he was back to shanks. Time to go young at punter sorry Shanks.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

O.K., everyone, let's all take a deep breath, relax, and remember that this is only the preseason. It was too early to declare the 'Skins a good team after their 3 preseason wins, and it's too early to declare the season a disaster and the Zorn hiring a joke after these last two losses.

Preseason games are a poor indicator of a team's success during the regular season for reasons that most of us already know: little or no game-planning by the coaches, guys playing a lot who will be driving trucks when the season starts, veterans playing whose main goal is to avoid injury. Let's at least wait until we lose a game or two that actually count before we man the lifeboats and abandon ship.

Posted by: rbpalmer | August 29, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

What college is he from again? I was trying to remember last night and couldn't.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:01 AM

"University" of Georgia.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:03 AM

Actually I belive he was from Arizona or Arizona State.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Here's what I took away from the game.

1)Every eligible receiver on the Jags caught a pass on Justin Tryon

2)I believe Devin Thomas now has more penalties in the preseason (2) than catches (1).

3)Fincher made the team last night.

4)Marcus Mason will be on an NFL team next week (hopefully ours), but should never be a short-yardage back (how many 4th and 1's did we miss?)

Posted by: p1funk | August 29, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Tryon is from Arizona State University. Horton is from UCLA.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

And as far as the punter goes. I don't think frost is fooling anyone. Smith knows what happens to him come midseason. Sir Shank-a-lot.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

What planet are you living on? And calling them jerks? Get over yourself.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:06 AM

What do you call two wide receivers who show up for the first day of work out of condition? They injure themselves the first week and can't participate in team activities. What are they on Planet Truth? Leaders? All pros? Georgia alumni?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Truth--The dude was from UCLA.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:04 AM


You don't even get a buzzer for that answer. Arizona State Thank you, play again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, k.

But he's servicable and I'd definitely take a pic for the kid.

Remember Roby? ka-boom!

Posted by: Dik | August 29, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

4)Marcus Mason will be on an NFL team next week (hopefully ours), but should never be a short-yardage back (how many 4th and 1's did we miss?)

Posted by: p1funk | August 29, 2008 9:10 AM

That stat has as much to do with the line and the fullback as it does the RB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

They weren't ready for the NFL, and they need a new start next year.

te, what did you mean by this? What is a "new start next year"??

how should I have translated that?

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

As for the many missed 4th and 1's:

I think Zorn was trying to make a point. That was the same play that Gibbs called last year that never worked. The point - no matter how many times you run a play that won't work, it isn't going to work just because you want it to. Now in the regular season on 4th and 1 when Zorn calls some funky play (not the standard fall down and gain 1/2 yd) his players will be more inclined to run it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Everyone should check out Robert Meachum on the saints. Second year high round draft pick whose rookie season was a wash out-injury-riddled joke. But you can't/won't cut higher round picks after this much "film"...

Now this year the kid is healthy, took some knocks, learned somethings and is probably their starter along side Colston. And could have the kind of season they drafted him for. (late round fantasy hint by the way...)

People on here need to chill. Its like some of you people are addicted to declarative statements and hyperbole!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | August 29, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

You don't even get a buzzer for that answer. Arizona State Thank you, play again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:12 AM

Thanks for the opportunity to redeem myself. Here's my second guess: Is he from Arizona State?

It's not that I'm losing my memory, it's just that I'm living in the now.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of fullbacks i havent seen much of sellers in the preseason. things all right with him? With the same ground game weve had over the past years he looks to be a key player again.

Posted by: Stu | August 29, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

"What planet are you living on? And calling them jerks? Get over yourself.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:06 AM

What do you call two wide receivers who show up for the first day of work out of condition? They injure themselves the first week and can't participate in team activities. What are they on Planet Truth? Leaders? All pros? Georgia alumni?

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:12 AM "

I don't call them jerks cause I'm not an idiot. And I'm sorry I'm not ready to throw them under the bus after ZERO games. They haven't played ONE meaningful snap and you're crying about it. Get over it. What would you do if we traded both right now and they went to have solid careers? Cry about how we didn't give them a chance. It's lose/lose for you, get over it. You'd probably rather the team faulter so you could run around with the "I told you so" schtick.

As I've said, I'm concerned about the team and both rookie WR's, but we haven't had ONE game. Is it that difficult to understand?

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 29, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4 -
My dad was at the Panthers game. He said that Frost had some serious hang time (both in the game and especially during pre-game warmups - I know not the same as in the game). Maybe this is the year that Frost puts it all together.

Also, how pissed did Brooks look when he had that kick inside the 20 getting ready to roll inside the 10 and then one of the ST players touched it around the 18?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the opportunity to redeem myself. Here's my second guess: Is he from Arizona State?

It's not that I'm losing my memory, it's just that I'm living in the now.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:16 AM

It's all good fellow GT'er.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of fullbacks i havent seen much of sellers in the preseason. things all right with him? With the same ground game weve had over the past years he looks to be a key player again.

Posted by: Stu | August 29, 2008 9:17 AM


Getting the same treatment as CP i would suspect.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Our rookie WR suck

Our QB is awful.

Zorn was a bad choice.

Portis is lazy.

Our D can't stop anyone.

The best we can finish the season is 16-0

If we lose like 9 more games we're out of the playoff hunt.

Everyone panic cause it's preseason on 1.

Ready?

BREAK!

Posted by: Skinz | August 29, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

What is a "new start next year"??

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 9:15 AM

Next year in training camp they will be rookies, again, and hopefully in condition to play in the NFL.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:02 AM

I don't equate "new start" with "new team." We've got too much invested in these guys. But they're not going to contribute this year and will be wasted roster spots. I've already predicted that Kelly will be on IR.

The ideal "new start" would be what Chris Larry described above for Robert Meachum. They come in with a clean slate and get a fair chance to deliver what they should have brought this year.

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson rookie stats - 3 games started, 12 games played, 28 receptions, 329 yards, 1 TD.

Steve Smith rookie stats - 1 game started, 15 games played, 10 receptions, 154 yards, 0 TD's.

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

cl, game set and match, with Robert Meachem.

He was the 17th overall pick in the first round, and contributed ZERO catches to the Saints last year.

Lets all take a DEEP BREATH, regarding the preseason, regarding the Rookie WR's, and regarding Campbell.

Posted by: Greg | August 29, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

+++Until I have to finally relinquish my optimisim I will say no worse than 9-7. Not pretty, but not ugly either.

Posted by: Curzon417 | August 28, 2008 10:35 PM+++

As Frasier Crane one said to Cliff Clavin:

"What color is the sky in your world?"

Posted by: Corkczar | August 29, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent evaluator | August 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

As I've said, I'm concerned about the team and both rookie WR's, but we haven't had ONE game. Is it that difficult to understand?

Posted by: The Truth | August 29, 2008 9:17 AM

I'll guess we'll really have to watch them in practice for the first half of the season to see if they finally "get it." I'm sure the are used to being the best in college and didn't have to work too damn hard for it. Weren't ready for this level. Now that they know, let's see what they do with the knowledge.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Anon,

I have seen frost screw up to much I am ready to move on, if we give up Brooks I guarantee he goes on to be a great punter in this league.

He looked a little pissed I think the ST player got excited to touch a ball he should have waited.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Anon,

I have seen frost screw up to much I am ready to move on, if we give up Brooks I guarantee he goes on to be a great punter in this league.

He looked a little pissed I think the ST player got excited to touch a ball he should have waited.

Posted by: kmdp4 | August 29, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Ralph Nader and Bob Barr in cabinet positions? We might as well put Matthew Lesko and Miss Cleo in there too.

http://www.consumerfraudreporting.org/leskoscam.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3ABE3wvxzA

Posted by: Anonymous | August 29, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I want to see them hand over the reins to COLT when we are 0-4 and trade Campbell Soup.

Posted by: McMuffin | August 29, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Guys I want to see making the team: Fincher, McMullin, Brennan...that's it

Guys I want to see cut: Tryon, Devin Thomas, Malcolm X Kelly

Guy I want to see back from dead: Sean Taylor

Posted by: McMuffin | August 29, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Opportunities presented themselves, but we didn't make plays, tonight.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | August 29, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

In my best crazy azz Denny Green voice "Frost is who we thought he was. Boom...shank...boom...shank. It's who he is, it's what he does!

Posted by: GA_Skinz_Fan | August 29, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I hopes it's clear to everyone that Devin Thomas can't play. He reminds me of Taylor Jacobs.

Posted by: Skinzfan99 | August 29, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Right, because Ralph Nader and Bob Barr don't have a better political resume, then Obama or McCain.

Hell Nader has a longer list of political achevements then the two together.

A$$hat

Posted by: Alex35332 | August 29, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Silver Spring, how many yards did these "quality running backs" pile up last season? I looked it up: 602 and 208 yards, respectively. By the way, Auburn had an undefeated season with Campbell as the starting QB. And before you proclaim that Jason Campbell does not have the goods, ask Auburn fans who from that undefeated team was the SEC offensive player of the year, SEC championship game MVP, and Sugar Bowl MVP? I'll give you a hint, it was not a running back.

Posted by: M | August 28, 2008 11:59 PM

---------

You are actually proving my point further. I just got back from checking out the stats on Auburn's undefeated season. They were averaging at least 170 a game on the ground.

Think about what averaging 170 a game on the ground does for your passing game in the pros. Now make the players college level. A QB gets ALL DAY to pass. That is why he has such a long release motion. He used to have all the time in the world.

Posted by: Silver Spring | August 29, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Listen guys … I love the abilities that Jason brings to NFL, but I think a 1 and 3 start is going to begin the beginning of the end for him as your starter. As I said last night, I hate to make predictions in the Pre-Season but Colt is something special. I think Jim is going to be forced to make a “gut decision” similar to the one that Duane (he hates when I call him that) made in Dallas with Tony Romo.

Posted by: J.E.M. | August 29, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

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