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Observations

This morning's practice was essentially a light walk-through, so this won't be a typical two-a-day, in fitting with the overall tenor of camp. Saturday should be interesting, since the Skins have had it relatively easy compared to a lot of teams, and the Steelers are in the running for election into the Two-A-Day Hall of Fame.

Like we've said, maybe none of this matters at all. Only time will tell.

So nothing to be gained from a talent-evaluation standpoint this morning. Pretty much everyone was on the field, since there was no contact at all, even guys like Chris Samuels (who says he would like to get some reps in the final preseason game if possible).

WR Brandon Lloyd says he will practice this afternoon and "definitely" wants to play Saturday. Says the trainers and coaches pulled him out of the lineup at Tenn., but that he wanted to play. WR Antwaan Randle El (quad) was back out there too.

OL Todd Wade was back out there as well, and everyone except for Clinton Portis, Samuels and poor Tyler Ecker (this kid should be fearing the Turk something fierce right about now) took part in the walk through.

With that stuff out of the way, I'll make a few observations before hitting Wegmans for lunch:

The depth at WR and OL does not look great. Todd Wade needs to take a major step up and someone must emerge as a legit No. 2 WR in the next few weeks. Still not sure they have that guy here, and I wonder if it might have been worth it to give McCardell a $200,000 bonus or something like that, rather than have to march Bradford and Pinkston in here.

Rocky McIntosh could be something special. The red flags on his knee are a concern - it could be something that bothers him long term - but he has been feeling great since getting scoped in the offseason and so far so good this summer. His extra film work shows. The speed and athleticism of the LBs had to make you guys smile Saturday. London Fletcher was The Truth out there ... It's still awful early, but that unit looks much improved.

Another game like last Saturday, and I imagine the Brunell vs. Collins debate will roar across Redskins Nation. Again, we're still only in the middle of August for Darnerien's sake, but I sense a Brunell backlash out there among the bloggy peeps.

LaRon Landry is going to have to really fall off the planet to manage not to start from Week 1.

This could be a very big week for guys like RB Marcus Mason, FB/TE Pete Schmitt and CB Byron Westbrook. There's been a lot to like about all of these longshots, and they've met every challenge thus far and facing this opponent will show a lot. I like Schmitt a lot and if he shows he can grasp FB and TE I think he's got a good shot as the No. 2 FB/ No. 3 TE.

Suisham will be under the microscope again Saturday.

Want to get a good look at Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels as well. Cornelius Griffin will play Saturday after being rested last weekend, and both the first and second D Lines should get a lot of work vs. the Steelers. Will be interesting to see how some of the older guys, especially those coming off injuries, continue to progress as we get deeper into camp.

By Jason La Canfora  |  August 14, 2007; 11:07 AM ET
 
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Comments

First!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow! You make it sound like Randel El is completely worthless. He did drop the one ball the other day but to say we have no legit 2nd option is a stretch...IMO.

Posted by: NEskinsfan | August 14, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, we are gonna su su su SUCK! 5-11 maybe, 4-12...

Posted by: Negative Nelly | August 14, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

JLC - Is Mike Espy not having as great of a camp as he had last year? Do you see him getting cut over Pinkston/Bradford?

Posted by: CC | August 14, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

mmmm, Wegmans.

Posted by: Mike | August 14, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I think that if Cooley is not stuck blocking for our inept line (currently inept), we have a legit #2 option and "the receiver" and ARE make for good 3rd and 4th choices.

Dont forget that we have two #1 RBs and a lazor-rocket arm QB.

Let the positivity begin.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 14, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is the No. 2 option. Works in S.D., worked in K.C., no reason to say it can't work here. Still need more production from another WR (ARE or the wide receiver) but they don't have to be the second option. Stop worrying about the O, its the D that needs to come back. The O was like 12th in the NFL last year (certainly higher than that once JC took over). The O may not be dynamic, but it will be adequate if our top-10 D is back.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 14, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Brunell vs Collins? It's not even a competition! Brunell is completely washed up. He even wasted 2 time-outs when he took over the offense! Did you see how easy it was for Collins to go down the field, with the exact same personnel on both sides??!!?
CUT BRUNELL ASAP!

Posted by: tbarz | August 14, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

What are the cut-down dates again?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Overwhelming concern:

O LINE

blown away by the TITANS!?

That is where you s/be watching on Sat. The whole offense is dependent on them.

D did look much improved, but, against the Titans. Look for Trent Green's career to end Sept 9th a la Reap Jr.

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 14, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

It was painful seeing Brunell play, going through the motions and smiling when a pass fell incomplete. If Gibbs does not cut Brunell, he (Gibbs) does not have the welfare of the Skins in mind. I won't renew my tickets for 2008 because 2007 will be 2006 deja vu.

Posted by: Right-On | August 14, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Are things really as bad as you guys are saying?

Let's look long term. Heyer may be good enough to take over for Samuels in a couple years. Wade or Pucillo plays guard this year but Wade can take over for Jansen next year if his skills fall off a cliff. Thomas is good for another 2-3 years and Rabach the same (at least).

On defense, Montgomery and Golston are just about ready to take over, thus adding youth to the line. Andre Carter is still young. Next year we draft a defensive end. All of a sudden, the defense is pretty young, with the only problem being who will take over for Springs in the secondary. Otherwise the secondary and linebackers look very good.

Posted by: Prodigal Son | August 14, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Negative Nelly;

I really feel like a nerd for using that term, and now you have gone and used it for your name.

How appropo

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I can't see Brunell being cut. Maybe demoted to #3 but that's about it. He is a veteran so hopefully he can still provide input for JC and make him a better QB. Brunell is a smart QB...certainly his ability has diminshed, but he can provide more resources and knowledge to JC than Collins. Collins knows the 700 page playbook but he lacks instinct...otherwise he would have started in KC.

Posted by: CC | August 14, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Watch what you say about Collins. We don't want to get Wyatt riled up again.

Posted by: etrod | August 14, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

This is why you don't give a PR/3rd WR a 35 mill contract including 11 mill to sign. Most team's PR/3rd WR makes 500k per year.

I AM NOT SAYING I DON'T LIKE RANDLE-EL. I AM ALSO NOT SAYING I DON'T THINK HE'S GOOD. But there is no question that we drastically overpaid for him (which is the only reason he left his dream deal in Chicago on the table). We also ridiculously overpaid for Lloyd when we didn't have to.

With the amount of money tied up in these 2 guys (plus Moss) AND the sacrifice of depth in other areas to shore up these spots, WR should be the last position anyone should be talking about for the next 5 years... but here we are.

In a salary capped league, you just can't afford to throw all of your eggs in one basket (position) and not have it work out...

I know I'm commenting on decisions made in the past but I still can't get over it. I hope things change in the offseasons to come.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 14, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Mike h

I agree (almost) have said all along though its the offense that must improve (It will). The d will be fine. If this offense plays to its potential everyone is an option (thats what makes it hard to defend)....it attacks a defense everywhere, its run based and gets everyone involed in the passing game...but just like lots of other stuff to be successful you first have to be successful...you saw a glimpse in the second half of the Giant game last year...thats the rythum and roll this O can get going....needs to get going

Posted by: Old School | August 14, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs cutting Brunell, would be like Gibbs cutting Jesus!!

Posted by: OC Skins | August 14, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Re: Tyler Ecker. I know that a player can be saved from the roster cuts by being buried on the IR list, but maybe that seems too extreme for a groin pull (unless, of course, its an undiagnosed sports hernia and your name is Shawn Springs). What about the "Physically Unable to Perform" list? Can a guy stashed there avoid the roster cut knife?

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Cutdown dates: Aug 29 (75 players by 4 p.m. EDT); Sept. 2 (53 players by 6 p.m. EDT).

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Mike... Wegman's lunch is sounding GOOD right about now.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Cyn City, I mentioned this on the last thread but can't resist -- the new Talking Points was fun, it's great to see you and Wilbo back in action (trashing Tony's office), and you are looking fantastic!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Maybe when Samuels comes back Heyer can move inside to LG. Agree it may be time to move Wade to RT. Jansen belongs in the Redskins' HOF, but maybe it's the end of the road for him.

It sure looks like the D is back. LF and LL are clearly going to add tremendously. And the middle of the line looks stout. I figure early in the year we see a lot of low scoring games.

Posted by: skinfanman | August 14, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Brunell? Danny Wuerffel just called - he wants his arm back.

Anyways, J-la, the particular observation that you made just now on the WR situation is simply not going to do those of us relying on antacid-enhancing drugs any sort of good, right now. It's a bit discouraging to see that Randle-El just hasn't been able to step up into the second WR spot like we needed to. I could harp on the the cap moneysink we have on the two receivers, but that'd be preaching to the converted. Hammer, meet Dead Horse.

At least the progress of RockyMac and Laron Landry are positive signs. I'll take it for the good news that they are, slim pickings as it might be.

Posted by: FlimFlam | August 14, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought I was dead?

Posted by: Slim Pickens | August 14, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm very excited about the linebacking corps this year. Marcus has a spring in his step, Rocky is as fast as any LB I've seen (although overrunning may be an issue for him) and London D'yer Maker looks like he'll be worth every penny (Kiss of Death, I know).

I think the D can rebound nicely this season.

Posted by: etrod | August 14, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Brunell, you ain't fat - you ain't nuthin!

oh sorry - wrong blog.

I'm not pullin' for Brunhilda to be #2, but given the whole 'saved Gibb's life' angle - he'll probably see some reg. season reps w/ Soup gettin' his bell rung. That's gonna happen.

But if the defense is back where it was two years ago (and honestly, why not?!) then it's not gonna bother me as long as we don't turn it over and the Special Kids do their job.

Now, given that scenario - J-Can (J-La?), aside from Swishy's issues, how's Special Teams lookin'?

Posted by: Dik | August 14, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Don't you need the corners to perform too before you can make that statement etrod.

The potential is definitely there, and heaven knows Miami's woeful receiving corps won't tax them too much, but the big completions really hurt you guys this year and I haven't (yet) seen what's going to change that this year.

The LB's may have to come up because this is still a d-line that got run all over last year (although maybe that's fixed?) which means the secondary is still on it's own, and that was a BAD thing last year.

LL looks great, but I think the Patriots game will really show you guys where you are.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

RB

look ahead not behind.... I will be with you and everyone on the FO next offseason for something....its year to year in the NFL ARE and lloyd will get more opportunities this season, they must produce or they (especially llyod) won't be around for year 3. forget the money for now its in the budget the players need to show up....each year is on its own lots of players now won't be here next year freeing up money to chase other FA's or sign guys they want to keep. The one thing this franchise nows how to do is work the cap....now its about moving in the right direction on the field... if we do things will look alot better ...young talented QB, maybe a top 10 D led by a good mixture of vets and youth, in thier prime RB duo.... say it with me....

Posted by: Old School | August 14, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

From that moron, Paul Zimmerman, aka, "dr.z" from SI:

"OK, we all know that I have been a Monk negative for many years. My line has been "catching 800 8-yard hooks just doesn't do it for me." Maybe it's time to take a closer look at that rather supercilious observation. Maybe a player who has drawn such a loyal following, year in year out, deserves more serious consideration. And perhaps those Redskin fans aren't mere nudniks, as I've unfortunately come to regard them, but people who might, just might, have a more accurate reading on the situation than I do. I'm not saying that you're swinging me over completely; it's just that I'm a lot closer to Monk's legitimacy as a Hall of Famer than I used to be"

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 14, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Okay. I am an optimist about our season to come. I still believe we will score a lot of points and that the defense will hold opponents down to a low, top ten average. I bleed Redskins burgundy and have for my entire fifty-four years on this planet. The joy I take in slamming the Doncos and reminding my friends here about our Superbowl victory is sacred.

BUT!

I am and always have been a "disgusted" fan. I mutter while watching games. I want to see individual excellence and mutual confidence. Redskins, you are my boys. You always have been from Sonny on the end of the bench having a smoke (with no running game, BTW) through the recent years of Snyder learning how to operate his new toy. Patience? yes. Forebearance? yes. Alone at "Cuckoos" with the smallest TV in the saloon grumbling at my team while they stumble through more missed assignments and defeat while all the other fans, in droves, shout their teams to victory while watching on the largest screens? yes.

Now, guys. Now. Once again, do it. Do it for me. Give me those lopsided scores and that tall record so that enough paper fans will hop onto the bandwagon and demand to see you on the big screen. I always walk the town with my head held high. I need once more to walk the town and have people congratulate me, though I have no actual say in the matter, for the greatness of MY team. Step up, men. Step up.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | August 14, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

As far as WRs, I think we have to roll with the crew we've got. Pinkston and Bradford are 4th or 5th options at best. Same goes for Charles Rogers, Boerichter and whoever else is still out there.

Question: why can't Thrash get the nod for the #2 spot? All I see that guy do is give 100% effort and hang onto the ball.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 14, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ARE played well last season as number 2....he has done things in this league....I am not ready to write him off......If you figure Cooley/ARE as combo number not the worst thing....


And Janso way to go out a "limb" that the fans will be calling for Brunnell's head....

Posted by: chris Larry | August 14, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe we are asking who are number two receiver is.

I hate that question.

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 14, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'll admit that Jansen looked rusty, but come on people it was the first pre-season game. Give him another chance this coming saturday, and if he still looks bad then open up competition with Wade for the starting right tackle job. As for left gaurd, we just plug in the best option possible and hope samuels can over compensate for some of the mistakes.

Its just discouraging to know that our rushing game and or someones receiving numbers are going to look pretty bad this year...

Posted by: Oh for real | August 14, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I could be a #2 receiver 50% of the time - please bring me back.

Posted by: Rod Gardner | August 14, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

meant "our". ob.

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 14, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

yeah i gotta say the o line is the primary concern. forgive me if i wrong but werent they the worst ranked defense last year? and to see them man handle the offensive line scares me going into saturdays game. ARE is a good WR but i dont think he was ever picked up to be the no 2 on the depth chart, tho we aquired him for his punt returning and gadget play skills.. so will be interesting to see what happens there

Posted by: peter | August 14, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Nate! It's always fun. Particularly since Wilbon vbWe're going to drink all the Old Bushmill and replace it with tea. TK will never notice the difference.

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow...what did Loseable Type do to that posting?
here it is again...
Thanks, Nate! It's always fun. Particularly since Wilbon wears shorts all summer long! We're going to drink all the Old Bushmill and replace it with tea. TK will never notice the difference.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Cyn Cyty is hot! I'd take her over a Redskinette ANY day!

Posted by: Older Fan | August 14, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm not suggesting the Skins pick him up but, how come no one will pick up Charles Rogers? He's been out of football for a year now and was a high 1st rd pick. I know he had some injuries and off the field problems but teams seem to be avoiding him all together like he was Lawrence Phillips. If anyone has any info on him can you breifly share it. Thanks.

On the Pinkson signing, i think it's a good move. He doesn't really have a chance to make the roster but he can push/ pressure the other WR's to produce. Right now, it seems like everyone behind Moss is playing the 'I'm knicked up and can't practice' game.

Posted by: priceisright | August 14, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

OC Skins,

Hilarious comparrison with Gibbs cutting God himself.

Joe,

I agree with you. The Skins need to roll with what they have, unless it's a last minute cut by another team. The last thing we need is another Duckettbingus move this year.

Side note: how bad is Todd Pinkston when the Eagles are desperate for WR's yet they won't even bring back a guy who knows their system?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 14, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Um, thank you Older Fan. If only you were Rich, Older Fan....
:)

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

priceisright, Charles Rogers, like Mike Rogers, has some 'work ethic' issues.

Also, things have changed since I went to elementary school ... back went calling someone Number Two was a bad thing.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

For this offense to work properly, we're going to need Brandon Lloyd to seriously step up this season. Hopefully with his added size he wont be as worried as going over the middle, therefore desperately providing us with the possession receiever we truly need. Randle El should stay in the slot where he can simply abuse third string corners, and Cooley remains as the starting TE where he can take advantage of the linebacker mis-matches. I dont know about you guys but im extremely surprised AND excited we have all 7 draft picks next year. I just pray Gibbsy leaves us in good shape when Jeff Fischer takes over his head coaching job (He better thank grilliams for the good word)

Posted by: oh for real | August 14, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

You're welcome, Cindy. I'll let you know how these lottery tickets work out this week. ;)

Posted by: Older Fan | August 14, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

For all this angst about the skins, let's look on the bright side - they're not the Raiders. The Raiders draft a QB #1 overall and then proceed to lowball him to the point that folks are saying he might not be signed before the start of the regular season. The most important position on the team and the player you supposedly pick as the "future" of your team and now he's looking like he may not even see the field as a rookie. What a waste. At what point does Russell say it's not worth it to play for that joke of an organization and sit out the year to reenter the draft next year. He loses all of this years money and is not guaranteed to go #1 next year but it sure sounds like that relationship in Oakland is not going to be good anytime soon.

Posted by: skinswest | August 14, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

oh for real, I think its 6, not 7, draft picks b/c of one of the out year picks from the Lloyd or Duckett deals.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey Skins Fans, Steve Czaban here. Camp Country Club continues, Czabe told you first! Un-be-lievable that we continue to see this from the organization time and time again. You heard it from Czabe!

CZABE

Posted by: Czabe | August 14, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I think we have all 7 because the second of the two picks we lost over lloyd was lost during this past draft in the 4th round...

Posted by: oh for real | August 14, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Russell just bought a house in Oakland. Plus, he doesn't need to be on the field this year with Culpeper and Culpeper on the roster. All he has to do is sit back and watch, learn, and enjoy the money after they finalize the terms of his contract.

Posted by: DC Raider | August 14, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh... Agreed.

I think Thrash can be a solid #3 or maybe #2. With Moss on the other side, Cooley at TE and ARE in the slot we should be good. If Lloyd isn't what we brought him here to be, why can't ARE, Thrash and Espy fill that void between them... Todd Pinkston is a joke and the only sense I can make of that move is depth due to injuries or maybe its a move to motivate some borderline guys... ARE & Espy each had one pass that they definitely should have caught in the 1st or 2nd quarter (can't remember) Saturday night. I know it was only preseason, but last year Espy seemd to be money and show the potential to be a strong NFL caliber receiver. Maybe the Pinkston move was made to send a message that they want to see some production out of their 2nd and 3rd WR's...
If we have any hope of Pinkston being our #2 or #3 receiver we might as well throw in the towel because this team is gonna suck hard again or the old men have really lost it...

Posted by: E in VB | August 14, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Pretty sure we only have six picks in '08... the 4th rounder I think was conditional on the Duckett deal, and the conditions were met. Or something like that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Make that Culpeper and McCown.

Posted by: DC Raider | August 14, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

i finally get a chance to post since the game, and everybody is giving up on the season.

Hey, we're undefeated, and I'm going enjoy that as much as I can, even if it wasn't a real game. But i got alot of positives, mainly the defense didn't get ripped apart like last year, and Campbell made some good plays with his mistakes, and everybody should have been expecting mistakes. The O line was the only area of concern for me, but we don't have our best lineman, and everybody should have expected some issues with Wade/Heyer on the left. That will get better, one was his first NFL game and the other his first game at his new position, give them a chance to learn. Now if that was the case in the final preseason game, i would be worried. I think overall, that game made me optimistic, and I loved to see them keep grinding it out until the very end. That seems alot more like the 05 Skins and not the 06 Skins. It is important to get in the winning attitude early in the year, at the very least to give our team the confidence to know that they can win games.

Posted by: gethanr13 | August 14, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I hate to say it but I can't help think the Skins will get any better unless the fire Vince Cerrato. He is be dumber than a cowboy fan. No team has had less draft picks than the Redskins the last 4 years. He needs to go and in bad way. I think we should sue him for sports malpractice.

Now, don't get me wrong, I love Clinton. He is a beast. Yet, Champ Bailey is the premier cornerback in the league. He almost won the defensive player of the year award. Running backs are much easier to come by than cornerbacks. And looking at out secondary last year, we needed a corner back much more than a running back. Out back-up Betts did well but our secondary sucked.

We also let Antonio Pierce go and got to the Giants for that matter. If we had kept him we wouldn't have had to go out and get Fletcher. We let Ryan Clark go for peanuts and who was good at helping Taylor develop. We could have kept a better player in Clark for millions less than stupid Archuletta. We let Dockery leave b/c his pay seemed exorbitant - which is true. So now we have no decent guard - even when premiere free agent OL were available. We let Walt Harris go and he becomes an all-pro.

Archuletta was a complete waste of our money. Everyone knew, except the Skins, that his cover skills sucked. He was hard hitter- but we already had Taylor.

The WR additions were ridiculous. I love Randle El. He is really at best a #3 receiver and PR. Lloyd made some impressive acrobatic catches but never produced impressive numbers and was always known as team cancer.

I like Andre Carter and I think we will be impressed with him this year.

We panic and pick up Duckett but than barely use him. What a complete waste of valuable draft picks.

Prisco, Judge, and every other NFL analyst knew and wrote all of the above the day the trade happened.

This year we made some better moves like getting Fletcher. Smoot may be a good pick up too. Yet, there were some good WR, OL, and DL that we could have picked up. We should have cut Lloyd.

.

So we are left with few draft picks. We draft a LB second round last year, sign free agent in off-season and draft 2 more LBs this year. Then although Campbell is our guy we take Palmer. And we take Ecker instead of taking Ben Patrick in an earlier round. The two or three biggest areas we need we do not address in the draft: OL, DL, and WR.

We have been a complete joke in our personnel decisions. We may have made a good move or two (taking LeRon, Fletcher, etc..) Compare that with Acrhuletta, Lloyd, But we have given up too much money and draft picks for mediocre at best players. I think any of us fans who does this in our spare time could make better personnel decisions than the Redskins front office.

Gibbs is a great coach. But he needs great player to win. He had Dexter Manley, Charles Mann, Art Monk, Gary Clark, Riggins, Theisman, Russ Grim and may all time favorite: Darryl Green. Or look at Walsh in SF and all the great players he had - Rice, Montana, Craig, Lott, etc..

No matter how great coach is, he can't win without the quality players...

Posted by: Fire Vince | August 14, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Old School,

I think we're on the same page. Obviously the D is the strong suit. I just meant that last years offense was no worse than the O in the playoff year (and maybe better). The difference was the drop-off on D due to a variety of factors. If the D is top 10 again, the offense does not need to set the world on fire.

Posted by: Mike H. | August 14, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Russell just bought a house in Oakland. Plus, he doesn't need to be on the field this year with Culpeper and Culpeper on the roster. All he has to do is sit back and watch, learn, and enjoy the money after they finalize the terms of his contract.

Posted by: DC Raider | August 14, 2007 01:15 PM

Do either Culpepper or McKnown instill much confidence for this year? I know they've got a decent defense, but listening to Michael Smith on ESPN radio this AM it just sounds like they're being cheap with the guy who's supposed to be their future whether he plays this year or not.

Posted by: skinswest | August 14, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Denver Post on the Donkey compensation in the Duckett and Lelie three-way shabingus.

http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4904768

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"I hate to say it but I can't help think the Skins will get any better unless the fire Vince Cerrato. ..."

Posted by: Fire Vince | August 14, 2007 01:19 PM

No need for the self-hate. We are all here to support you (i.e., and not him).

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Michael Smith doesn't know jack (or Jack's Kids, for that matter).

Posted by: DC Raider | August 14, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vince, do you have anything new to complain about. I'm sorry but im so sick of reading people complaining about the same deals the FO made 2 or 3 years ago. SJK happens, and there aint no amount of IFs that can be said that will change anything. The FO seemed to do better this year, and we can only hope that it will get better next year. Snyder isn't going anywhere soon, which makes me think Vinny isn't going anywhere soon. No point in agruing over spilt milk, or something like that.

Posted by: gethanr13 | August 14, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

As for the Raiders being cheap, last definitive info I heard was the offer currently is somewhere in the vicinity of $31 million guaranteed. Highest guaranteed money ever for a rookie - not exactly what I would call "cheap".

Posted by: DC Raider | August 14, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Only way Cerratto gets canned again is if Cowher or someone of that total control type takes over when Gibbs walks away. I find that unlikely since we saw how unhappy Danny was when he couldn't have his hands in the cookie jar with Martyball.

At least if the OL isn't up to snuff we should be seeing a bunch of dudes on D that like to knock the SJK out of opposing players. That is always fun to watch and trying to add a little positivity.

Posted by: cdubb | August 14, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

skinswest, the other QB in Oakland is Luke McCown rather than Cade McNown. Anyway, at the Sports Illustrated site, they call out McCown as one of the ten guys in the week who has had a great camp and great first preseason game.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Culpepper is niether physically or mentally prepared to start week 1 according to John Clayton....


Do we really have someone defending the Raiders on here?!

Posted by: chris Larry | August 14, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

" ... No point in arguing over spilt milk, or something like that."

Posted by: gethanr13 | August 14, 2007 01:31 PM

Actually, here we argue till our knuckles a are cramped over split milk ... under the bridge ... that we burned ...

The problem is that -- on firing Vinny Cerrato -- there is nothing to argue about.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Clarification re: firing Cerrato. Everyone here wants it, no one here expects it to happen. Alot like being a high school freshman thinking about hooking up with a senior cheerleader.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Can we honestly say we're going to be better than:

Philly
Carolina
Saints
Seahawks
Rams

I say no, so that leaves us fighting:

Dallas
Chicago
San Fran
Arizona
NYG


I'm saying there's a chance.

Posted by: R. Bobby Hater | August 14, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Raider Nation, Baby - we're everywhere!

Posted by: DC Raider | August 14, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

F the Raiders

F Raider nation

F Al Davis

F Culpepper

Posted by: chris Larry | August 14, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Well said CL.

As sh*tty as Grossman is, Chicago is still one of the best teams in the NFC with that D. Way to much credit being given to the likes of Seattle, Carolina and the Rams. I'd say Chicago, N.O. and Philly are making the playoffs with the last 3 spots being fought over.

Posted by: cdubb | August 14, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, the last two spots are the only spots to be fought over since each division winner gets in... unless you are saying the west is too up in the air, then comment respectfully withdrawn

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Re-read JLaC's post just now ...

" ... Suisham will be under the microscope again Saturday. Want to get a good look at Renaldo Wynn and Phillip Daniels as well. ..."

That second sentence there has an ominous undertone for the likes of Wynn and/or Daniels.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Now this WOULD be a shame, wouldn't it?

Still, this is a critical "must win" game. I can't think about a win-loss record unless and until Week 1 is over and won.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Philly looked great last night without McNabb, The Saints Defense has looked great all preseason, Carolina and the Rams we have more talent then, The first stringers on the Seahwaks did look pretty good the other night. Were right in the middle and if this defense performs like it should we'll be right there in the end. Oh and everyone needs to shut up, we had betts in one series the other night and portis didn't play, wait till the 3rd preseason game before everyone starts panicking. I swear everyone is so damn negative, its rediculous, they had a terrible season last year, but they also had tons of injuries, springs and portis' season were ruined the first quarter of the first preseason game, wait till the Ravens game when pretty much everyone plays the half if not more then panic if they look bad, also you have to love lloyd suddenly ready to practice once they sign pinkston. People have to remember its the preseason these guys don't want to get hurt, so they aren't going to play unless they must, look at LT, he tells his coaches he won't play in the preseason, he seems to manage when the season comes around.

Posted by: Uncle Spence | August 14, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, Zeebs, the NFC West is going to be off the hook this season. Most competitive division in football, toughest by far, most intriguing race in the league.

I heard it on the local Portland sports radio, so I know it to be true.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Someone throw out the link to the Wilbon Talking Points clip.

BTW, he spat out another one of his racism rants. I read over the comments, and the general consensus is that Wilbon's diatribes lead to him lloking like a one-trick pony.

Discuss.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 14, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

When did Joey Porter steal that Def Leppard guy's drum kit?

Posted by: SMACK | August 14, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Z, I know the division winner gig. I could see any of them 4 teams winning the West or any of them 4 teams falling apart. Hard to buy into the Arizona hype year after year though.

Posted by: cdubb | August 14, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

If the name "Cardinals" were somehow deemed offensive to little red birds or impossibly old religious figures, I sincerely hope they would change to the Arizona Hype.

Posted by: SMACK | August 14, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

swiss hams our kicker...unreal.

anyone remember the Novak supporter last year? Those were some good threads back in the day.

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 14, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Now this WOULD be a shame, wouldn't it?

Still, this is a critical "must win" game. I can't think about a win-loss record unless and until Week 1 is over and won.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 02:09 PM

I think Porter will suit but not start in the first game 'sween. It won't matter though, as we won't need the linebackers to shove your no-line right over JC and back into the stands anyway. ;-)

Them's fightin' words!

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Brunell is simply a waste of a roster spot and has been (emphasis on 'has been') since the day we signed him. Is Jeff George still playing catch in his backyard waiting for a call? Does he still have a mullet? I say he and Brunell get tossed in the octagon for a high stakes pay-per-view slap fight. The winner gets crowned Redskins 3rd string QB AND team chaplain.

Who wins that battle royale?

Posted by: Boyer the Destroyer | August 14, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Honestly is there a worse radio show, than the John Thompson show. Now that B. Mitch is on there, he's become the prodigal son of JT. He's getting to be almost as bad.

JLa when you getting a radio show? You've got the looks for one.

Posted by: R. Bobby Hater | August 14, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Did Evans do anything of note Saturday? Did he play first or second string? Same with Carter. Did not hear anything about him

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

BURRRRRRNNNNNN!

Posted by: Boyer the Destroyer | August 14, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Clarification re: firing Cerrato. Everyone here wants it, no one here expects it to happen. Alot like being a high school freshman thinking about hooking up with a senior cheerleader.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 01:47 PM

LMGO... that's quite an analogy.

Posted by: September is looming | August 14, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Im a legit 2nd receiver!!! Look at my salary cap number!!! shoot i might be a legit number 1 receiver on most other teams caps and i earned it last year. 23 catches not TDs.

Posted by: Brandon LLoyd | August 14, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

my only hope is Wilbon gets the boot off the Redskins Report- of course he just kisses butt on that show

Posted by: daveb55 | August 14, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Just watched the first half of last week's game again during my lunch hour after all the confusion over who stunk it up on offense to cause all the RI dismay.

My observations:

(1) The offense didn't play as poorly as I initially thought. JC made some great decisions and throws - several of which would have been completions if Moss/ARE/Lloyd were in there - which is very promising.

(2) The O-Line. In order of quality of play: Rabach, Heyer, Thomas, Wade - Jansen (tied for horrible). Heyer did better than I initially thought. He missed 2 stunts, which can be expected in a rookie's first start, but otherwise played pretty well. The surprising part was that Thomas and Jansen made for a worse tandem than Heyer and Wade. Hopefully some of that can be attributed to Thomas not practicing much and vets not taking preseason seriously.

(3) Rock and Blaylock missed some cutbacks that would have resulted in significant gains. I'd like to think that Portis and Betts would have seen those opportunities.

(4) Defense. Yes, VY was out. But the DTs collapsed the pocket very well (Golston is very solid), Marcus was quick off the edge, LFB was a beast, and the overall attitude of the defense was refreshing.

Posted by: CMoney | August 14, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vince,

I agree Vinny must go BUT, come-on still talking about Bailey?
- Get real Bailey wanted BIG bucks to stay here and had no intentions of staying unless he got it. Good deal for the skins
- Dockery? Mediocre at best that wasn't going to resign anyway, no matter what the offer was. I saw an interview with him and it was all over his face "Free Agency Baby"
- Grillians D is a scheme that if you have the right players it is successful. Injuries starting day one imploded the game plan and they did there best to make it work.
- Archdelux would have thrived had the injury bug not hit but since it happened he was asked to do more than he was capable of and it didn't work. No surprise there. Why do you think he got benched?
- Clark? Average at best. Got burned plenty of times that I recall.
- Duckett? Looked good on paper, than Betts had a break out year. What happens if Betts go down? Where's the depth? Cartright......

Shut-up and have some kool-aid, OH YEAH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Forrest | August 14, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

CMoney, great work.

daveb55, that sounded very un-daveb55 of you.

Redcoat, you want fightin' words? Here are some fightin' words (btwn Homer and George HW Bush):

George Bush: Alright mister...you want trouble, you're going to get trouble!
Homer: Oh I want trouble, alright!
George Bush: Then you're going to get trouble!
Homer: No, you're gonna get trouble!
George Bush: Well that's good, because I want trouble!
Homer: Then we're agreed. There'll be trouble!
George Bush: Oh, yeah! Lots of trouble!
Homer: Trouble it is.
George Bush: For you!
Homer: For m... D'oh!

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Nice one 'sween, glad to see the trash talk is taken in the spirit it's meant in.

Trouble it is then. :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

SCSkinsFan, look for Wilbon's smiling face on the WashPo Sports page -- right in the top center, with a link to Talking Points. Wilbon and our lovely host, Cindy!

Wilbon isn't afraid to take on real subjects and deal with them frankly and directly. I wouldn't say this or any of his work is a 'racism rant' given some of the garbage you see on the internets. This is a serious story about Thompson/Ball St and I have to admit, I hadn't heard a word about it before Wilbon's column, so I welcome it.

He's absolutely not a one-trick pony; he's an intelligent, interesting, provocative, entertaining dude. But I'm a big fan of his, so there you go.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Remember the team's gameplan from last year:

1. The defense would keep them in games long enough for the offense to eke a win out.

2. The offense would gel and come together later in the season.

3. The 'Skins would end up 6-5 and be in a position to make a run once the offense got it together.

Last year, the defense wilted early and disappointed all year long. The 'Skins were never in contention as a result, even when the offense began to come together at the end of the year.

I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened this year. Though, I must admit, the offensive line gives me a lot of pause. I'm assuming JC begins to get experience and confidence heading into the halfway mark. And without Portis, Moss, AND Cooley in there at the same time, the offense lacks spark and imagination. For all the Portis haters, don't forget who got the team in the playoffs 2 seasons ago. When CP put the team on his shoulders, the 'Skins were able to execute and make a run.

The 'Skins need their playmakers on the field, and they need their line to be solid.

Remember also that the NFL is largely a league of mediocrity. Any team that gets to 5-6 or better can make a serious run at things if they can stay healthy and outlast the slugfest in November/December.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Not a big fan of Wilbon, since he's been calling the NBA All-Star, "Black Thanksgiving". I'm sure if someone nick-named something, "White Thanksgiving" he'd have a problem with it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 14, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I found the link, thanks Nate. Wilbon looks great. (Cindy too, of course).

I miss Wilbon covering the Redskins. He didn't pull any punches. Remember the glory days when we would get at least one Kornheiser and Wilbon column on the 'Skins each week?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 14, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

This team starting this off season needs to focus there drafts in inquiring young line man on both sides of the ball. The Eagles have been successful for years because they prioritize drafting both sides of the line. Our d-line is extremly average. And are o-line is getting older by the day. I watched Lloyd play out in here in San Fran and he made big plays and some crazy catches. I have no idea why he can't seem to get anything going in D.C.
But I still think this team can be very competitve this year and I am excited for the season.

Posted by: San Fran Pat | August 14, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The Denver papers are hinting that Gerald Warren, their DT, was left off the plane for the SF game because of an impending trade and that the Redskins might be the team involved. Anyone know anything about this rumor?

Posted by: Dsmac | August 14, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Not to go down the race rathole, but...

I'm a person of color who has been very successful by all measures in society. I am proud of my accomplishments, and more proud of the work ethic that got me there. I had absolutely no advantages save for a mother who believed in the power of education to get our family out of our circumstances. My sister is a very powerful lawyer and politician and I am where I am due mostly to my mother's priorities.

All of that said, you're completely blind if you think for one second that people of color (particularly African Americans and Hispanics) in this country are in any way equal to white people.

Despite all my accomplishments, stature, and (yes) wealth, I still get seated at the corner table by the restroom in restaurants. It happened on Sunday, actually, and I called the manager over and chewed him out. I still get followed around at car dealerships as if I were going to steal something. I still get followed around at Barney's of all places as if I were going to stick a fur coat in my pants and walk out the door. When I drove my fancy little car around, the cops would stop me all the time and ask me if the car belonged to me. I finally stopped driving because I was so fed up with it. I can't tell you how many complaints I've filed with police departments for ill behavior.

Race is the fundamental underpinning of modern American culture. People have to realize that simply proclaiming nonsense like people are equal therefore "White History Month" should be celebrated like "Black History Month" is remarkably counterproductive and naive.

After all, there is already a celebration of "White History", it's called "History". My favorite example of which is my old high school textbook which proclaimed that President Nixon "opened up China to the world." That's laughable, to say the least.

I rarely agree with Wilbon on sports...I think he's pompous and self-important, to say nothing of rude as heck during his chat sessions. But on racial issues, he's usually pretty accurate.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

skinswest, I need to make a retraction. JOSH McCown is the (current) #1 QB in Oakland. LUKE McCown is in Tampa Bay and is the guy that SI is saying is having a good camp and good exhibition game. [Josh, may the force be with you too, but I am not your father.]

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

P, not sure if you were directing that to me or not. I have no disagreements on anything you wrote. I do however think it is in poor taste that Wilbon labels All-Star weekend as he does. Labeling it as such, is just as bigoted, and short-sighted as the things you have personally experienced.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 14, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

We played one pre season game with a lot of vets out. I think we will be fine. Lets see how we look at it week 3 and week 4 of pre season to see where we are at. I thought Campbell had good touch and mobility.

Posted by: Vincent Chase | August 14, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy;

Serious Question;

You say race is the underpinning of american society. Do you believe that there is too much attention paid to race? In the light of such things as black history month, racial hiring quotas and the like seem to me to widen the racial divide, because they still show a front of us vs them.

Almost in a way to keep the races separate.

I would like to know your opinion on such things.

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

[i]"And are o-line is getting older by the day."[/i]

I've been told this is happening elsewhere, too.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 14, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon failed to mention that Ronny Thompson coached his team to a 9-22 record. Oh, and Ball State hired another African American coach to lead the team (Billy Taylor). So I don't think they are a racist organization, but what do I know.

I'm not saying, I'm just saying.

Back to our regularly scheduled 'Skins blog.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 14, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Nate, excellent points about Wilbon. I heard about the story on Rick "Doc" Walker's radio show this morning.

Whether you like Wilbon or not, it is a story that has to be told. Race is a big part of the story.

One of the reported violations was due to a "bald, black man" watching players workout in the gym and weight room. Nobody identifed Ronny Thompson. Nobody saw him, so they just figured it had to be Thompson.

Thompson also received racist emails, and was told the asst. athtletic director referred to Thompson and his staff, using the n word.

Thompson all but begged and pleaded for this asst. athletic director to be reprimanded, which never happened. Ball St. should be ashamed.

F Ball St.

Posted by: k Squared | August 14, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice that H.B. Blades played well Saturday night, on defense as well as special teams? Let's stay positive folks!

Posted by: rb | August 14, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon's the man, reverse rascism arguement a joke....people say hillbilly heaven, and make white jokes about NASCAR etc.....he is commenting on a cutural phenomena that has popped up around a NBA event. Things aren't called "white events" b/c its the dominant culture...it would redundant..


Wilbon, is a great writer, well thought out and has nuanced opinions on a wide range of topics.....

Posted by: chris Larry | August 14, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

[i]"And are o-line is getting older by the day."[/i]

I've been told this is happening elsewhere, too.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 14, 2007 03:06 PM


Oh, no this sounds like an epidemic. I certainly hope that everybody else on the team doesn't catch it.

LMGO

Posted by: gethanr13 | August 14, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Looking into my crystal ball, I predict you will get a Wilbon column on the Skins this week.

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I should have prefaced that question diddy by saying apart from the bigots whose whole goal is to keep us separate and unequal.

These things seem as if they are meant to do good for the black community and for equality, but they also at the same time continue to highlight differences.

So I just wanted to know if you see it that way at all, or if whatever negative could be construed from these does not outweigh the positive.

Posted by: Zebra | August 14, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Yay! I can't wait! The 'ol "Stick to Coaching" column was getting stale. I look forward to Wilbon's take on the 'Skins, although he isn't even watching their pre-season games, so not sure what he's going to analyze.

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 14, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Blades looked ok. Hopefully he'll work out better than McCune (another LB prospect I had high hopes for).

Any word on what happened to #79 who ran his face into Reed Doughty's helmet? Looked like a cheap way to have your wisdom teeth removed. I hope he's ok.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 14, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

CL, completely disagree with you. If a reporter called a Nascar event, "White Christmas" they're ignorant, and that is a bigoted statement.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | August 14, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Btwn solo tackles and combined tackles, Blades was the leader on the day with nine (three solo, six assists). Seems like the team has found its London Jr.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"reverse rascism arguement a joke"

There is no such thing as reverse racism.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | August 14, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Anyone play Madden '08 yet?

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 14, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone play Madden '08 yet?"

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 14, 2007 03:32 PM

More importantly, is Vince Young hurt yet?

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.iwon.com/news/08142007/v0951.html

Joe, take a look at the notes at the end of the article.

Posted by: JustMe | August 14, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

The Madden '08 trailer shows The Reaper and Rogers, Carlos, laying the wood on Iggles player Greg Lewis. (What an accurate game, too, because Lewis beats them deep before the tackle is made)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

JustMe, I like how at the very end of the notes at the very end of that article, they had juuuust enough room to squeeze in some classic whining from the wide receiver.

Man up, dude!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Greg(Boston), I am with you on the Black Thanksgiving thing. It galls me to no end. It is such a over generalization I can't believe no one at The Post has called him on it. I bet they wouldn't let Wise, Jenkins or Boswell use that reference without questioning it.

As far as Thompson is concerned, he must think he's his father. You can't be rude to boosters. The race thing is a red herring. He's trying to get out of his contract. No one torched his house or burned a cross on his lawn. He got an e-mail and someone left a note at his office. You can't let something like that run you out of your job if you're really committed to it. Good thing he wasn't leading any sit ins.

Posted by: LH | August 14, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Uncle Spence, can you please explain to me how "Philly looked great last night without McNabb" - they only scored 3 points and were manhandled by the Ravens.

Please explain.....

Posted by: Lisa | August 14, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry but this is my first opportunity to post since our wild and bodacious win Saturday night.

I've only read the posts in this blog or topic. Its too much bs to read through when your way behind.

First off, I disagree with most people's thoughts on our defense. I think our def line got pushed around silly. Our guys are small and quick, we can't afford to get locked up with big bulky off linemen, we're beat. The only time we pressured the qb is when blitzing and not everytime we blitzed did we get pressure. This is a problem - the same one we had last year. Our defensive ends are small, they may be fast but I haven't seen this as an advantage in Gwills schemes.

This said, the defense played better Saturday night than I expected. Probably because we had a second string qb on the other side of the ball. Pittsburgh will be a much better test.

Defense wins games.

Second point. Our offensive line looked like a sieve. It was pitiful to watch. JC had no time to throw. Rb's had no holes to find. Once again, their guys pushed our guys around, at will.

Third. Our receivers were embarrassing to watch. Do they have full speed pass routes? My 14 yr old nephew can cover somebody running 3/4 speed. If our guys don't get open, either due to pass rush or slow running routes - we're in trouble.

Fourth. Jason did not look comfortable in the game. Maybe because of the pressure, not sure. I would like to see him stable, this would help the team have confidence in him. Brunell is number two, period. Todd Collins just isn't that good.

Positive things.
Gwilliams seems to have lots more options on defense, which helps keep the offense off balance. M. Washington looked real good. Fletcher looked good. Landry looked good, but seems to be a little dirty(please no stupid penalties).

I like our Rb's. Blalock looked decent. The Morris guy, at the end, looked good. I think Rock Cartwright is in danger.

Concerns:

Special teams, I don't feel comfortable watching us kick a 30yd FG. I'm edgy during kickoffs, our coverage is shaky. Why do we lead the league in kickoffs out of bounds and giving our opponents great field position?

Offensive production, when will we start scoring points? We need to score consistently each week, regarding the type of defense we're facing. Tenn either upgraded or we stink on O.

Lastly, is Jansen done? I think he has three to five years left in him, but man on man he stunk Saturday night. I hope it was offseason rust. I like the guy, he is a true Redskin and he deserves that ring.


I love the Redskins and feel we can dig ourselves out of the hole from last season. It won't be easy and would like to see the players efforts increased - but its only preseason. I thought we would turn in on last year after an awful preseason, now I'm not sure we have it to turn on.

Joe Gibbs was a mastermind back in the 80's, I haven't seen this during his return. He knows we have to control the trenches, why doesn't he address this weakness?

Posted by: Hburg Fan | August 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone predicting how long it will take Landry to supercede Sean Taylor as the primary safety? Maybe the Reaper will finally get the message and quit living on raw talent alone. On second thought, never happen, just give him one more thing to sulk about.

Posted by: loman | August 14, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I do concurr that Race is the underpinning issue here in america. And how wonderfully ironic that it's on a REDSKINS fan page we are discussing this.

I am forever aware of the differences in treatment and I'm sure every group has their unique view of the issues.

But I have to say, after travelling the globe I am proud to live in a country where at least we sit here and try to deal with some of the issues.

Most of the places I've travelled, people stay mum and just continue to hate one another. Thank goodness we don't have to do that.

Posted by: Dik | August 14, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

1. "My mom's just happy I have all my teeth," DL Alexander said. ...

2. WR Brandon Lloyd ... shin splints ... "It's definitely something that needs rest ... It hurts all the time."

Brandy Lloyd is a prima-donna. Discuss.

Posted by: Redcoat | August 14, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

With apologies to Lisa, sfskin, and other female bloggers, I thought this was cute. We need levity in our lives.

HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHO TO MARRY?
(Written by kids)

You got to find somebody who likes the same stuff. Like, if you like sports, she should like it that you like sports, and she should keep the chips and dip coming.
-- Alan, age 10

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | August 14, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

loman, your comment was liked, but it wasn't well-liked.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

F Wilbon- all he does is try to defend the actions of rich black athletes (bonds, vick, and now thompson)

Posted by: bob f | August 14, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

JustMe, thanks for the update on Scarface. I like the guys effort -- I hope he makes the practice squad.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 14, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

From what I'm seeing early, I think Dallas will be the team to beat in the East. I thought they would have transition problems but they seem to be clicking pretty good. Maybe its post Parcels relief syndrome.

Not sure about Philly and NY, just yet. NY has offense. Hope Strahan retires.

Philly has complexed me since Andy Reid took over. They just win, no real superstars. (well until they experimented with TO, what a disaster!)

Chicago has defense and a little offensive, very good team.

The NFC is weak. A Super team can rise from anywhere.

Patriots have my edge over the Colts as best team in the league. Not sure the Ravens won't mix things up this year.

Pittsburgh, Broncos, Chargers are solid, just a bit iffy.

And right now, all those teams could kick our butt.

Posted by: Hbrg Fan | August 14, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to Manny White?

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | August 14, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you did not quote in vain.

Posted by: SMACK | August 14, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

yeah its few "rich black athletes" that are destroying society.......unlike the multitudes of rich whites that are pillars of community...

Posted by: chris Larry | August 14, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

About Brandon Lloyd.(this is what I know and think)

Highly touted free agent signing. Speed guy, stretched the field. Big money signing.

First year, two major problems for him.
1) New offense installed and team doesn't click, not just BL. Clinton Portis hurt - no running game doesn't help.
2) Brunell doesn't/can't throw the deep ball.

Pouty attitude, loses respect of the fans/media/coaches. Fall out with Joe Gibbs doesn't help him. But Joe Gibbs knew he had lockerroom attitude.

During off season he works hard to add weight and muscle.

The shin splints baffle me, you know with the heavy off season work he put in.

Hopefully, he's 100 percent by season start date.

I give him the benefit of the doubt and hope he has a turnaround season. That said, any unwanted negativity - Joe can cut him from the roster. I think Brandon has a good year. Jason, Santana, Brandon, Chris, Randle El, and others start clicking on offense. (sorry, don't forget those flat/screen passes to the Rb's)

Posted by: Hbrg Fan | August 14, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I heard Brandon Loyd's latest interview on Redskins Lunch today. He sounds like he's maturing. He wants to do well. I'll give him a few games before I ask for him to be cut.

I was never against the signing. I just didn't see the point of getting ARE and Loyd. Just pick one. But that was a long time ago. I for one want to see this team enter the season with what they have and build some continuity. Win or Lose.

And if you've read my post before you know my offseason predictions.

Posted by: the don | August 14, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I think this season will comes down to 2 things:
The O-Line and the Secondary.

If they play well, we are at least 9-7
If they play like we expect them to play, we are at best 7-9.

Posted by: Diesel | August 14, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The running game is so important. They need it to set up the play action. Even if the o-line is great we can't expect Campbell to pick apart a secondary this early in his career like he was being asked to do on Saturday.

By week 3 of the preason the o-line should be noticably better. And when Clinton comes back, this will be a different team.

Posted by: the don | August 14, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It is all about the blocking or lack thereof. Those guys have spent all summer in Jansen's RV inhaling each others gas.

Posted by: Fingerchop | August 14, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

" ... Most of the places I've travelled, people stay mum and just continue to hate one another. Thank goodness we don't have to do that."

Posted by: Dik | August 14, 2007 03:59 PM

I will sit down and blog with SMACK, but continue to hate the Cowboys. I will sit down and blog with Adam, but continue to hate the Eagles. I will NOT sit down and blog with any Giants fan (mostly b/c they don't come here) and continue to hate the Giants. See a pattern emerging? Kind of like "love the vegetables, hate the vegetarians."

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

wait ... switch that ... love the vegetarians, hate the vegetables ... oh ... never mind ... its funnier the other way

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Do you believe that there is too much attention paid to race? In the light of such things as black history month, racial hiring quotas and the like seem to me to widen the racial divide, because they still show a front of us vs them."

I don't think there is too much attention paid to race. I think the wrong kind of attention is paid however. All too often, we resort to finding simple, easy explanations rather than exploring the depths of the problem.

Here's a good example. It's easy to say that parents need to take responsibility for their children and make them go to school and stay out of trouble. What if he/she is a single parent? What if the parent needs to work three jobs to pay health insurance bills for the family, make the rent, and put food on the table? (as my mother had to) What if the schools themselves are full of drug dealers and violence? What if...insert your question here?

I'm a personal believer that paying teachers what they're worth and investing in schools is a huge, huge, huge component of the solution. Why is it that Montgomery Mall looks like a gleaming palace compared to schools in Southeast DC? Where are our priorities? Yeah, I'm a capitalist, too. But still...this is the future of our country at stake...

>>> "But I have to say, after travelling the globe I am proud to live in a country where at least we sit here and try to deal with some of the issues. Most of the places I've travelled, people stay mum and just continue to hate one another. Thank goodness we don't have to do that."

Couldn't agree more. The US has its share of problems, but as someone who has traveled and lived all over, it's still the only place I know where your work ethic has a direct corollation to your success in society.

With regards to race, some people do have more obstacles to overcome than others. To not acknowledge that is to not acknowledge a basic truism in our country.

I promise I'll talk football again :-) I don't want to co-opt Jasno's blog for this...there are plenty of other places to talk about it.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

my only comments on race....bad judgement and stupidty are color blind.

Posted by: Old School | August 14, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

"So much time and so little to do! ... wait, switch that ..."

"Wonka, you're crazy."

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Charles Rogers, like Mike Rogers, has some 'work ethic' issues.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 12:58 PM

Who is Mike Rogers?

Posted by: mugamack | August 14, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Muga, my bad, meant Mike Williams.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

There's a congressman from Michigan named Mike Rogers, so I was googling him and his ethical lapses, looking for the joke.

Mike Williams makes much more sense, though the Raiders are loving him right now.

Posted by: mugamack | August 14, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

THIS DAY IN RI HISTORY

August 14, 2006 - We all learn a new word today as Jasno reports on CP's shoulder injury following a pre-season loss to the Bengals: sub•lux•a•tion (sŭb'lŭk-sā'shən) noun - Incomplete or partial dislocation, as of a bone in a joint.

P Diddy sums up the feeling around Skins Nation: "I'll bet there was a run on cement shoes this morning."

Posted by: MV Dame | August 14, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Mike Rogers, Mike Williams, Steve Williams, Steve Rogers, Roger Williams.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Steve Rogers the Six Million Dollar Man? Pretty sure he could kick my butt.

What about Buck Rogers and Buck Ortega? Two peas in a pod, I tell ya.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Diddy...Steve Austin.

Posted by: k Squared | August 14, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

More importantly, Will Rogers and ... wait for it ... Kevin Bacon.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Rogers Hornsby?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

In the Browns-Chiefs game on Saturday night, Buck Ortega was the Browns leading receiver with 4 receptions/36 yards.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I haven't had a chance to keep up with the blog the past few days.

Has Jason elaborated on the following?

Experiment Over?

"Was in contact with several football people in the organization Sunday, all of whom are banking on the fact that there will be a new starting LT in there for this afternoon's practice, because the Steelers, in their first preseason under a new staff, aren't going to take it easy this weekend, and they can get pretty tricky wih the blitz packages over there.

Actually, more to the point, there are a lot of people at The Park who are privately praying that the Heyer/Wade experiement is over."

Subsequent posts show Heyer/Wade remaining in place. What happened? Are people at Redskins Park battling over this, or has the issue quieted down?

Posted by: mugamack | August 14, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Nate, which Steve Rogers were you thinking of? The baseball one? or the real identity of Captain America?

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

muga, Wade hurt his shoulder, so that gave Buges the opening to insert Pucillo to practice with the first team.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

About Brandon Lloyd.
Highly touted free agent signing. Speed guy, stretched the field. Big money signing.

Posted by: Hbrg Fan | August 14, 2007 04:22 PM

If only he were just a free agent bust. BUT alas, we traded for him! Gave up a 3rd and 4th rounder, plus gave him the big contract when he still had a year left on his old one. Not trying to rehash...I'm just sayin'

Posted by: 4-12 | August 14, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I am leaving to get home and play some madden 08... have a great night RI!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | August 14, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing a lot of negative stuff about Brandon Lloyd and what he did or didn't do last year. I know the guy brings a lot of baggage with him, but I have to say I was pretty pleased with his performance last year given the circumstances. If there is any indication that the passing game was stalling, it is Sanata's numbers. Granted he was not healthy the entire season, but he dropped off significantly from the previous season.

The quarterback situation was not settled in the least. Chris Cooley was probably the only one who had solid numbers. Productivity from the other receivers was negligible. But I distinctly remember on multiple occassions last year when he was really instrumental in blocking downfield. CP and SM had touchdowns last year where BL was in close proximity and had key blocks to spring these guys into the end zone. I also remember multiple occassions when he had clearly beaten the DBs but QB never gave him a look.

I will base my judgement on the fact that he gave a lot of effort and support to his teammates. If the QB(s) were inept or they were locked in on certain receivers, the man should not be faulted for the QB(s) tunnel vision. The guy worked his tail off, by his own and his teammates' admission. To the point where he was putting so much strain on the toes that he developed an unfortunate injury that has kept him from TC. Now, he's going to be behind and he might not show much improvement, but I expect great things from him. Give the guy a break.

Posted by: Lloyd 4 Prez | August 14, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Aha! Captain America! Exactly...

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Aye. The late, great Captain America.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I think he was a metaphor.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Also, on Steve Williams, would that be the drummer for Budgie, the keyboard player for Power Quest, Tiger Wood's caddie, or the real name of Stone Cold Steve Austin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Williams

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

"I think he was a metaphor."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 05:55 PM

... or a shill for fat cat vibranium mining interests.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

you are en fuego, sween!

I hope the people who don't enjoy the non-Redskins stuff can happily hippity-hop past this.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 6:00 PM | Report abuse

stinkston signing is to kick BL in the pants thats all.

Posted by: herb | August 14, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

stinkston signing is to kick BL in the pants thats all.

Posted by: herb | August 14, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

About to demonstrate my serious nerd cred, but wasn't the shield adamantium?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd 4 Prez,

I don't know how else to say this, but are you out of your mind?

30/10 for 300 some yards, 0 TD's, and some verbal sparing with coaches and teammates is good?

Did you by any chance read HowBry's article on how his year was the worst statistical year by a starting WR in like 500 years??

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | August 14, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

And is anyone as excited about "Iron Man" as I am? "Iron Man" and "The Dark Knight" (Favreau and Nolan) are bound to make next summer at least 10 times better than this summer's crapola.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Vibranium is a fictional metal that appears in the Marvel Universe. It is most commonly known as the material that was used to construct Captain America's Shield.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vibranium

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Adamantium is, most famously, the metal bonded to Wolverine's entire skeleton.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adamantium_%28comics%29

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Again, we're still only in the middle of August for Darnerien's sake, but I sense a Brunell backlash out there among the bloggy peeps."

Didn't you mean for DarKerian's sake? ;-)

Posted by: Yusufohsix | August 14, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Did Lloyd 4 Prez lose a bet?

Are we really expected to ignore such an egregious post?

L4P, Pretty Boy Lloyd wasn't among the top 150 receivers in the league last year. 150!

I'm on record as someone rooting for Lloyd and believing in his ability to turn it around. But Lloyd was a screw-up last year.

Posted by: mugamack | August 14, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow, reading the "Captain America's Shield" entry on Wikipedia is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd 4 Prez, double props for taking a position in support of a player who has gotten nothing but knocks up here for last season, AND for considering his whole game aside from the receiving stats.

But, dude, the guy's job was to receive, and he was historically inept at receiving, and that's a fact awfully hard to spin.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

For those who have always wanted to go to the game, but couldn't miss Terry Bradshaw screaming at them on Sunday:

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/football%20at%20the%20stadium%20--%20with%20all%20the%20niceties%20of%20tv_1040596

Posted by: mugamack | August 14, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

my only comments on race....bad judgement and stupidty are color blind.

Posted by: Old School | August 14, 2007 04:56 PM

...I'm colour blind!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

That was me!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Way to get two posts out of that, kost!

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, probably wasn't necessary to own up to it. Wouldn't have been difficult to guess it was me from the way I spelt coloUr!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

V Diddy, easy to confuse the two, but see Nate's second link:

"True adamantium is created through the mixing of certain chemical resins (defined only as "three closely related iron compounds") whose composition is classified as a highest possible level U.S. government top secret, although it has been said that the U.S. has shared the secret of adamantium's creation process with "certain of its allies". This process is almost prohibitively expensive and True adamantium is very rare as a result. It was discovered in an attempt to duplicate Captain America's shield and resembles Captain America's shield on a molecular level, but dissimilarly contains no vibranium. True Adamantium is nearly as strong as Captain America's shield and is, for all practical purposes, indestructible."

Got that? For "all practical purposes," its indestructible.

The only cost to you? Another 45 seconds of your life.

kost, which colors? mrs dcsween has a friend who faked a very rare form, yellow-blue. Unsure why a child would fake color blindness, but there you go.

I'm tired of Brandon Lloyd as a topic of discussion. He's hurt and out for a while. We might as well talk about Nemo. Also, for the peeps questioning the FA WR parade and what's wrong with Espy and Thrash, I recall that both of those dudes have had some leg muscle problems too.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd 4 Prez- Yeah, we gave up a 3rd and 4th rounder, plus $10 mil bonus for a guy to be a good downfield blocker. Sort of like what we gave Archubingus to personal protect his guts out. Solid stuff.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 14, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

sween- Apparently, the receiver practiced today.

Posted by: 4-12 | August 14, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

The important thing is to get 4-5 posts out of it. We should be able to make 75k by Friday...right, MVDame?

Posted by: Cindy | August 14, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

dcsween - I'm classed as Red-Green colour blind, which is the most common kind. I have a pretty funny story, I renovated my kitchen early last year, and knowing I have trouble with colours, I asked my Mum, what colour I should paint, to work well with the colours of my benches and cupboards, and she said just a white would be nice. So I went and bought a the whitest paint I could find, and spent a weekend painting my kitchen, and I did a great job if I don't say so myself. Next weekend I had some mates over for a poker day, and was showing off my paint job, and one of them says to me, "Mate, you do know it's Pink don't you?"

Stupid bloody colour blindness!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Where is Stumped and that turban of his??!? We need someone to conjure up a new thread.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Square Peg (Wade) + Round Hole (LG). It will fit if I force it.

I have seen this act before from the redskins. The 1st team O cannot move the ball and a group of no names rotates on the defensive line. Week 9 will leave us with 2 undrafted free agents, a 6th rounder and Andre Carter trying to be 'physical' against a team that puts up 240 rushing yards against us while brunnell.underneathread.net skips passes to Mike Sellers.

Doomsday scenario? Or repeat of last year? Hard to see much difference.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | August 14, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

One year from now, MV Dame will be interrupting our criticisms of Head Coach Bill Cowher ("His jaw is just...too...big for NFC East football") to offer the vibranium/adamantium debate as a seminal moment in RI History.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I am new to the board, but have been a big Skins fan since I was a kid. I want to know why everyone is freaking out about ole # 76 Jansen. He is still a quality tackle, and he has only been in the NFL 8yrs, he still has some tread on the tires. Its the first pre-season game, he missed one block because he tripped. Come dolphins time he will be fine. GO SKINS..

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

I am new to the board, but have been a big Skins fan since I was a kid. I want to know why everyone is freaking out about ole # 76 Jansen. He is still a quality tackle, and he has only been in the NFL 8yrs, he still has some tread on the tires. Its the first pre-season game, he missed one block because he tripped. Come dolphins time he will be fine. GO SKINS..

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

and MV will add "P Diddy summed it up nicely:
Wow, reading the "Captain America's Shield" entry on Wikipedia is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 14, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Because getting bull rushed back into the QB's seven-step drop in about four steps is generally considered bad form.
I'm not going to worry yet, because I know just how much I don't know about line play. But there is ample cause for concern if you are into that sort of thing.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 14, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Brunell still has to be considered potential trade bait. If Collins continues to perform Brunell could end up in Atlanta instead of
3rd string. One must wonder if like Ramsey his play is subpar thinking that a lower value on his services would make his trade
less costly to Atlanta in terms of players to be named or draft picks. I suspect that even with a poor camp he would still be very attractive to Atlanta and could end up starting there.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"Square Peg (Wade) + Round Hole (LG). It will fit if I force it."

Joe Jacaoby, Raleigh McKenzie, Ray Brown, Ray Schoeke.

Brown, Jacoby, Brown, and Schoenke could play Guard and Tackle, both positions at almost All-Pro levels. Brown recently did a great job coming in for Jansen. Lest we forget?

Gibbs and Bugel like that kind flexibility. Injuries do occur on the OL now don't they? If Wade could learn to play guard and
tackle at a very high level they wouldn't be in as much trouble should someone go down.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

"Wow, reading the "Captain America's Shield" entry on Wikipedia is 5 minutes of my life I will never get back."

When Captain America throws his mighty shield.
All those who oppose his shield must yield!
With a left and a right and aboot will come too.
And the red and the white and the blue will come through.
When Captain America throws his mighty Shield!

Posted by: Captain America | August 14, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I thought Brown came in for Thomas when he broke his leg?

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 14, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Brunell still has to be considered potential trade bait.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 07:53 PM

this is at least the 3rd time i have read this from you. please stop, no one is trading for brunell.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Of course we have healthy representation on this NFL list:

http://sports.aol.com/nfl/story/_a/nfls-oddballs-and-oddities/20070807221609990001

Posted by: JustMe | August 14, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Brunell still has to be considered potential trade bait.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 07:53 PM

this is at least the 3rd time i have read this from you. please stop, no one is trading for Brunell.

Posted by: | August 14, 2007 08:30 PM

____________________________________________________________

Please shut up anonymous because obviously you are an idiot.
Look how fast they picked up Bramlet. Supposedly our 4th string QB? You don't think their QB coach Bill Musgrave might be eyeing Redskin quarterbacks do you?

After Harrington its DJ Shockley and Chris Redman. Now Bramlet.

FLOWERY BRANCH, Ga. - The Atlanta Falcons Sunday signed wide receiver Otis Amey and quarterback Casey Bramlet and
______________
waived quarterback Lang Campbell.

Bramlet, 6-4, 220 pounds, was originally drafted by the Cincinnati Bengals in the seventh-round of the 2004 NFL Draft. He was signed as a free agent by the Washington Redskins last year, but did not see any action.

_____________________________________________________________

By Dave the Falconer
Posted on Sun Aug 05, 2007 at 01:41:35 PM EDT


Hat tip to the AJC:(Atlanta Journal Constitution)

One scenario would be to work a trade with Washington for Mark Brunell, who's set to backup Jason Campbell. Brunell worked with Petrino in Jacksonville and with quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave in Washington.

___________________________________________________________

Here's another guy who might make sense: How about Mark Brunell?

He is a backup with the Washington Redskins, but he knows the Bob Petrino offense, having worked under him when he was with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Brunell is also close to Falcons quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave.

Brunell is scheduled to be a backup with the Redskins, but he would likely get a chance to push Harrington for the starting job if the Falcons were to make a move to get him.

Brunell will turn 37 in September, but isn't he better than Harrington? The Redskins could maybe get a late-round draft pick for him, and Brunell would get a chance to play.

If Brunell were to go to Atlanta, the Falcons fans would be shocked to see a left-handed quarterback who actually could get to his second and third reads.
_________________________________________________________

The AJC:

One scenario would be to work a trade with Washington for Mark Brunell, who's set to backup Jason Campbell. Brunell worked with Petrino in Jacksonville and with quarterbacks coach Bill Musgrave in Washington.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

If Atlanta loses another preseason game I expect there will be activity related to Brunell. He starts as soon as he walks through
Atlanta's door.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse


Don't believe it. Everyone, I repeat everyone, knows that Brunell has no zip left in either arm or legs. He's smart and savvy, but smart and savvy don't cut it in the NFL at 37 except with a clipboard. Bobby Petrino knows this. If your team is going to stink anyway, don't make a stupid short-term trade that isn't going to improve things.

The Falcons have a built-in excuse for things going south this year, so it's unlikely that Petrino will have to wear any of that dirt if the record is below 8-8.

Any trade they do should be for the long-term health of the club; not a short-term bandage that couldn't stop the bleeding anyway. Petrino is way to smart for that.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | August 14, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse


Don't believe it. Everyone, I repeat everyone, knows that Brunell has no zip left in either arm or legs. He's smart and savvy, but smart and savvy don't cut it in the NFL at 37 except with a clipboard. Bobby Petrino knows this. If your team is going to stink anyway, don't make a stupid short-term trade that isn't going to improve things.

The Falcons have a built-in excuse for things going south this year, so it's unlikely that Petrino will have to wear any of that dirt if the record is below 8-8.

Any trade they do should be for the long-term health of the club; not a short-term bandage that couldn't stop the bleeding anyway. Petrino is way too smart for that.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | August 14, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey does anyone know where to get one of those Captain Chaos tee shirts? I checked Reebok, but I'm not sure they make them anymore.

Posted by: Mac | August 14, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Mac,

Redskins Store:

http://store.redskins.com/productinfo.asp?item=9&deptcode1=531&sn=11

They have them in the actual stores, as well.

Posted by: JustMe | August 14, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks a ton JustMe, can't believe I'm that dumb I didn't check there first. Ah well, I got one now....thanks again.

Hail.

Posted by: Mac | August 14, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Montana'Skins Fan - I don't think we'll trade Brunell, and I agree with you for the most part, but there's something else Brunell can offer, that none of the other QB's in Atlanta have. Leadership. So while I agree that the Vick situation basically gives Petrino a virtual get out of jail free card for this season, and he shouldn't make any trades which will only make a difference in the short term, I do think that Brunell can provide a strong presence off the field, which could effect the team in the long term.

I don't know why I wrote all that though, I think he's staying with us.

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

If Trent Green is only worth a late 5th/6th, Brunell is worth a 17th rounder, two apples, a ham&swiss panini, and two bite-size nestle crunches.
If Blank will throw in a $50 Home Depot gift card, I'd consider it... but that may be because I'm hungry. And I need nails.

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 14, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason,

How 'bout a look into the stretching and conditioning of the WR's? Year after year this position struggles with injuries that sure seem to be the result of flexibility issues. Have they tried doing anything differently? If not, they sure should.

Thanks!

Posted by: Redskinrex | August 14, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Cload, we would have to give ATL the $50 gift card to unload Brunell on them...

Posted by: RLM | August 14, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Cload, now I'm hungry too!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

"If Trent Green is only worth a late 5th/6th, Brunell is worth a 17th rounder, two apples, a ham&swiss panini, and two bite-size nestle crunches. If Blank will throw in a $50 Home Depot gift card, I'd consider it... but that may be because I'm hungry. And I need nails."

Brunell is actually more of a winner and playoff QB than Green. A former lower round draft pick of the skins But that's not the point. To the Redskins Green might be worth a 3rd round pick or so because he knows Saunder's complicated system. BUT JOE GIBBS went after Jason Campbell to ensure the club's future. Saunders probably would prefer Green. But Gibbs is head coach.
Gee, and you guys thought he only liked old vets silly boyz.

Not too long ago Gibbs had Ramsey, Brunell, and Campbell. There was a reason for that. NOT to replace one with another but to ensure continuity should one go down.

IN the case of Petrino jr. and Musgrave Brunell knows their system. Can provide leadership and supposedly has a "healed" shoulder now.


Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

So Peri -- you'd take Scott Brunell over Trent Green, right now, today?

Posted by: cload and daggar | August 14, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

periculum, I noticed that that AJC article preceded Saturday's game. I am sure that film cured Atlanta of whatever ailed them into thinking Brunell was worth anything more than above-described lunch at Panera Bread and a Home Depot gift card.

Posted by: LH | August 14, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

About to demonstrate my serious nerd cred, but wasn't the shield adamantium?

Posted by: P Diddy | August 14, 2007 06:02 PM
_____________________________

Have you been ingesting Van Halenium?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

If Brunell thought he had a chance to be traded somewhere to start, don't you think he'd have played like Collins?

Method in his blandness, no?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Levity, levity, all is levity.

I had a Norm Chad moment watching Saturday's game (and no one reading this cares because I'm not going to sign this).

When Suisham hit the upright, I thought "Pay the man, Shirley!" -- cuz you know that if the object of kicking a field goal were to actually hit an upright, there would be a whole lot less points scored that way!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I care, I just have no idea who Norm Chad or Shirley are!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

He has a column in the sports section of this very newspaper where he reviews TV sports shows. People send him questions and if its a good question he says "Pay the man Shirley" and sends you $1.25 If you watch The World Series of Poker on ESPN, the worldwide leader in sports, he's one of the hosts (the short one with the big 'stache and glasses).

Posted by: LH | August 14, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

"If Brunell thought he had a chance to be traded somewhere to start, don't you think he'd have played like Collins?

Method in his blandness, no?"

Nope. He could get released ... okay doubtful. But if Collins were to somehow be promoted to #2, and then there's Palmer. Brunell could talk Gibbs into releasing him, or trading him for a last round draft pick.

Posted by: periculum | August 14, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

kost, Norman Chad is sort of a sports writer, alumnus of the WashPo sports page, huge professional bowling aficionado, currently appearing with his unbelievably oversized earlobes as a color commentator for televised poker. Yes, poker.

You can catch his column on the WashPo sports page every Monday under the byline Couch Slouch. His column ends each week with an 'Ask the Slouch' mailbag, droll and pithy in both directions, with $1.25 awarded to each featured mailer, and when a mailer gets in a particularly good zinger, Chad writes "Pay the man, Shirley."

I love his stuff, but admittedly it's an acquired taste. I haven't quite done it justice here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Dadgummit, LH, ya beat me to it!

We're all super-helpful up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I've been taking a time out from the frothing at the mouth I found myself doing.

Did I miss anything? Pinkston huh? Ah whatev . . . although that YouTube clip was um funny in a oh my gawd there's an alien tearing through my abdominal wall kinda way.

Does the receiver think he is TO?

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Caught some moments of ESPN earlier and they all were acting like Vick is on his way to jail in 10 minutes.

Did something happen?


Tomorrow is last day of blessed sleeping in and then it's back to 5:30am wake up.

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Thanks guys!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

5:30am! That's gotta hurt!

I currently have my alarm set for about6:15am, and I keep hitting the snooze button until about 6:45.

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I've decided to take a more zen approach to the whole TC/preseason thing. I'm going to basically try to remember that eh it's preseason.

Then if the SJK hits the fan in the regular season I'll start freaking out and then all the smartee pantz on the blog can tell me "I told you so." "Where've you been for the last x weeks." "We've been saying this forever." etc. etc. etc.

Everyone wins. Smartee pantz get to feel holier than thou, I get to climb my soapbox and we march forward to 100k.

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

kost - I stopped snoozing years ago because I kept finding I was simply setting the alarm earlier just to snooze.

I'm a weird one in that I like to take some time in the morning, eat breakfast, take my dog on a pretty solid walk, read the newspaper. It helps me feel less animosity towards humanity and thus makes me more pleasant when I do engage with other people.

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, the other two guys indicted with Vick bargained out pleas.

Wade's shoulder is hurt; Pucillo will step in for a little while.

Also some discussion of Marvel Comics metallurgy.

JustMe, "healthy representation" is an understatement! Portis, Cooley, Lloyd get 3 out of the 10 nutjobs in the NFL per AOL. Go Skins!

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Ya snooze before ya schmooze.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 14, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I like all but one aspect of your scenario, sfskin. Everyone wins... except the Skins.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks sween! Metallurgy? Should I scroll back to look?

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

btw, I would like to take a moment to recognize the outstanding webwork and intergoogling by JustMe, who has been finding Skins news -- as in finding her guts out -- and posting those links right here on this very blog. Here, here!

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Nate - sshhhh I'm dwinking the KwoolAid.

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, start at the top and find mugamuck's first post ... it sort of starts there.

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I need to do my own personal toast to the Brain removal. Hazzuh!

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Whose brain is that?

I dunno. Abby someone.

Abby who?

Abby Normal.

Posted by: sfskin | August 14, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody call for Stumped in his turban?

I think he's sitting on a beach in the Outer Banks, predicting when his next beer will arrive.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Gary Fitz reporting on a little something from today's practice ... the apparent purpose to me would be to remind the punter that he really should just do the punting:

"-- LINEMEN CATCHING PUNTS?

It was an odd sight: 300-pound offensive and defensive linemen stood back for punt return duty. Turns out it was a bet between the linemen: Who could catch more punts?

It wasn't easy for the big men as they struggled to gauge the high-arching punts and race over to catch them.

Phillip Daniels, Cornelius Griffin, Demetric Evans and Bryant Shaw were among defensive linemen to haul in a punt.

For the offensive linemen, only Jon Jansen pulled in a punt.

It was an easy win for the defense.

"The bet was just a sprint across the field," Phillip Daniels explained. "Before we even started, we knew we were going to win. We have athletes on the defensive line. There are a lot of guys on the offensive line that don't even touch the ball.

"Jansen caught one and he is probably the most athletic out of all of them. Chris Samuels (OL, #60) probably would have caught one if he was healthy. But they didn't have a chance."

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a big baseball guy in general, but the Phil Rizzuto remembrances today have been really touching. So many great stories about this guy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Good to see that after a poor quality game, they're really hitting the training track hard!

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and gentlemen, don't get up from your seats just yet. We have ANOTHER installment of The TC Blog of The Wide Receiver:

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=27270

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I prefer a punt-catching contest to, say, fistfights and waterslide races.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

or the game that unfortunately now has an additional entendre ... paint ball

Posted by: dcsween | August 14, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Or heat strokes, or injuries of any kind

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:53 PM | Report abuse

I think they should play Duck, Duck, Goose.

Posted by: kost52 | August 14, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

That wide receiver training camp diary is a real piece of work, ain't it?

I like how he seems to brag that he's a "standard" wideout as opposed to someone like Arnaz Battle who was a "utility player" who could, gasp, also play special teams. What a jerk!

So my question is, who ghost-wrote this piece? Karl? Fitz?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 14, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs calls TWade 'conscientious'. That's almost super.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm a personal believer that paying teachers what they're worth and investing in schools is a huge, huge, huge component of the solution. Why is it that Montgomery Mall looks like a gleaming palace compared to schools in Southeast DC? Where are our priorities? Yeah, I'm a capitalist, too. But still...this is the future of our country at stake...


The Viscount has my loyalty!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Oops the last one was me.

Oh and I'm pretty sure that THE receiver's agent follows this blog and writes that swill.

Today was the at least the second time I've seen an in defense of Lloyd post that was long and detailed.

Even the hamsters like me who figure he should get a shot would never post this kind of thing without a LOT of snarky remarks.

So Mr. Agent Man - get your guy back on the field!

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Metalluryg discussion was awesome! I admit that I knew right away that adamatium was Wolverine's gig and not Captain America.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Talking Points - excellent! Plus Wilbon talked about KoolAid! Woo!

Cyn Cyty looking good! Although I did miss the kitchen timer.

Posted by: sfskin | August 15, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

"for Darnerien's sake"
love it.

Every once in a while periculum makes sense...this is not one of those times.

Posted by: bangkokben | August 15, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Undoubtedly, the Marvel Comics metallurgy discussion is among the Best of RI.

Posted by: P Diddy | August 15, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

My talk of BL and what he did/didn't do last year is by no means an opportunity to praise/scorn him. I just think that people should be more cognitive of the fact that a lot of the players were in a system last year that did not put them in the right positions to make plays, including Brandon Lloyd. Plain & Simple. And most everybody in the league (and the fans) know that.

When your TE has the most catches on the team and your running back has the third most....well, Nuff said....

I ain't tootin' no ones horn, but I do believe the guy deserves a chance. And he's proven to be a skilled WR with the Niners. And if his work in the offseason is any indication, he just might be as productive as the team needs him to be.

Nuff said....

Posted by: Lloyd 4 Prez | August 15, 2007 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | August 15, 2007 4:51 AM | Report abuse

Short interview with Renaldo Wynn.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=27970

Posted by: The Crickets | August 15, 2007 4:54 AM | Report abuse

Redskins' linebackers talk defense.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=27911

Posted by: The Crickets | August 15, 2007 4:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | August 15, 2007 5:05 AM | Report abuse

"Williams's staff had not begun to review the game film, but McIntosh was already watching tape, critiquing himself, eager for feedback."

Thats what I like to hear. Also the reciever, Samuels, Butler et all who have injuries are coming back and fighting through it or expecting to.

Now that camp is over.

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 7:26 AM | Report abuse

I think our LB's will be sick, especially with Run support from L2.

ST will be roaming around back there, making up for any lapses in coverage by the CB's.

Springs is great at run support, as was Smoot last time he was here, so I think our run defense will be strong.

The grilliams blitzes will be unique and from everywhere.

So I feel really good about the defense.

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 7:34 AM | Report abuse

As for the offense... as the O line goes, so goes the offensive production of Portis and Campbell.

We need to get that figured out pronto... hopefully if there is a need to make a move once the reg season starts, there is someone out there we want to get.

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy;

Thanks for your response to my question. I have many friends of many nationalities and races, and we like deep discussions such as this.

And obviously this is a popular topic.

One interesting point my friend who has a white mother and a black father made was about hiring quotas... he believes it is another measure of control by those in power to keep those without power... without power.

His notion is that giving someone an 'easier' way to make a living is denying them the 'right' or the challenge to get an education and be held to the same standards as everyone else.

Ultimately he feels it is a fear of the powerful and that they need to make a concession because of social pressure, but if they 'allow' minorities to get jobs b/c of race versus level of education or job experience, they are still keeping them down by giving them the 'easier' road i.e. less educated and less threatening to their position of power.

Not expecting any back and forth, just wanted you to know where i was going with my original question. I tend to agree with his position. Of course he did not grow up in a poor household and had more opportunities than others, but he has seen racial prejudice, from both sides, for what that is worth.

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 7:47 AM | Report abuse

LOS ANGELES (AP) - "John From Cincinnati" has caught its last wave on HBO.

The surfer drama that aired its season finale this week will not return for a second run, the premium cable channel said Tuesday.

The move represents a rare cancellation by HBO of an hourlong drama after its freshman season and a misfire as the channel tries to build its post-"The Sopranos" schedule.

"John From Cincinnati," which blended family drama with the metaphysical, earned mixed reviews and failed to spark audience interest.

Posted by: Too Bad | August 15, 2007 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Two Hundred and Seventieth!

Posted by: Dik | August 15, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

If anyone wants an idea of our season...

read "the road".

Posted by: Pub Golf | August 15, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

You mean the cormac mcarthy book....jeesh thats bleak!

Posted by: chris Larry | August 15, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"... I just think that people should be more cognitive of the fact that a lot of the players were in a system last year that did not put them in the right positions to make plays, including Brandon Lloyd. ..."

Posted by: Lloyd 4 Prez | August 15, 2007 02:59 AM

I think you meant to say cognizant, but I do tend to agree that Lloyd and Randel El were wide open way more often than not, and that Brunell only ever through to his 'safety receivers' in the flat, whether it was Cooley, Moss, or Betts. Also, I remember Lloyd being a solid downfield blocker (unlike a certain insurance policy acquired in a three way trade with Atlanta and Denver who took plays off if he was not getting the ball and did not block).

My concerns about Lloyd are not about his abilities as a WR, like his speed, ability to get open, willingness to expose his body to a hit to make a catch, etc. Its more about his attitude (like after the New Orleans game when Saunders remarked that he must have lost the pass in the lights and Lloyd pouted about the ball being underthrown ... notwithstanding that it hit his body). As an amateur coach/GM, he has the football stuff and I'm AOK with him because of the former. As a fan, however, I feel free to exercise my rights of ridicule because of the latter. That said, I do wish him well (because as a fan, I also have rights of fickleness) and hope for a speedy recovery. Seems like solid play can be a part of developing his maturity as a human.

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

On this blog, there is a recurring difference in perspective between former athletes and those less inclined to such endeavors. Admittedly, after high school (three seasons of sports) my own competitive spirit has been reduced to "sports" like darts, poker, billiards, SuDoKu. Now, I've found something that can take my game to a new level -- cheese carving. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401689.html?hpid=artslot

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I've been meaning to read The Road. At first, I thought it looked like a boring, post-apocalyptic Stephen King rip-off, but then it went and won a Pulitzer.

Oh yeah, and I'm a DC fanboy, not Marvel. The Dark Knight pwnts anything Marvel has to offer. "Nuff said."

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

beep beep!

Posted by: SCSkinsFan | August 15, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, DC over Marvel? With that kind of talk, it's clobberin' time!

:)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | August 15, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Ultimately he feels it is a fear of the powerful and that they need to make a concession because of social pressure, but if they 'allow' minorities to get jobs b/c of race versus level of education or job experience, they are still keeping them down by giving them the 'easier' road i.e. less educated and less threatening to their position of power.

Not expecting any back and forth, just wanted you to know where i was going with my original question. I tend to agree with his position. Of course he did not grow up in a poor household and had more opportunities than others, but he has seen racial prejudice, from both sides, for what that is worth."

Zebra, yesterday I let your questions go because this is not a proper forum for a discussion of this nature but I cannot let the above go uncontested.

Your friend's position is racist. It presumes that minorities are naturally inferior. The fact that a person is minority does not make them less qualified. Affirmative action programs don't require that companies hire unqualified people. They are intended to encourage employers to hire qualified people who they may not otherwise consider because they are not of the same race or ethnicity. No one complains when a unqualified white gets hired or admitted to a school because his parents have connections. That is a form of affirmative action as well, and occurs more often than any other kind. That said, without affirmative action (I don't know anyone who supports quotas), many qualified minorities would not have received an opportunity to work in a myriad of professions. All people want is an opportunity, not the "easy" way out.

Posted by: LH | August 15, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

LH;

I doubt he presumes that. He is a graduate of Brown University. He is of mixed race. And my estimation of his position may have been stated wrong.

I guess the point is those who need affirmative action, i.e. those who are less educated but because of hiring quotas are hired, is giving someone an easier road to a job.

Now I concede that the main point of affirmative action is b/c of bigoted hiring practices and the fact that many people from poor areas of this country do not have the opportunity to get such jobs.

But I still think he has a point when he says that it is a way of keeping people down as well. Its the powerful that fear the less powerful... but they cannot blatantly be bigots... so this was a way of conceding to social pressure while still maintaining that level of control. He is somewhat of a conspiracy theorist as well, which might explain his line of thought.

Not trying to incite a blog war, but I wanted to know Diddys position since he brought up the topic orignally. And I appreciate your opinion as well.

I am unqualified to speak on matters such as this, which is the main reason i try to get other peoples opinion, like his, about things like this. And he is better about speaking of his position, so it is moot to try to convey what he means cause it probably gets lost in my translation (mind you these discussions were over multiple alcoholic drinks).

Anyway, hope this clears it up a little bit.

Posted by: Zebra | August 15, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"I think you meant to say cognizant,"

Posted by: dcsween | August 15, 2007 09:54 AM

I did mean to say cognizant, but it was too late for a final proof. Felt like an idiot afterwards, but hey you got the point, right?

Posted by: Lloyd 4 Prez | August 15, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope the Pats cut Gabar Gaffney, so we can add him to the Bradford & Pinky duet.

Posted by: Dazed | August 15, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

stability, commitment, patience; let's pray the Dan or anyone else doesn't freak out and blow things up after this season.
The 'Skins seem to have the right mix of youth and experience that if they COMMIT to a philosophy and gain experience with it this team could contend for the 'Bowl for several years. For example, after next year Snyder must PULL OUT ALL STOPS to get Russ Grimm as head coach, and if Greg Williams gets upset and leaves just hire one of his assistants as D-Coordinator. If Saunders doesn't stay, keep a protege´ for the sake of JC. COWHER IS NOT THE ANSWER; get a young gun (like Tomlin, Kifflin, and all the other currently or recently successful coaches, as Gibbs was back in 1981), and Grimm fits this bill.
Realistically we should be satisfied with 9-7 at the low end and 11-5 max, but compete and have a chance to win every game.

Posted by: adinasi | August 15, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

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