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Off Duty

Alright, looks like I just wrote my last story for a while and I'm fixing to take some vacation time. AD passed his physical, the Patten release finally went down. Some loose ends were tied up.

Still plenty to keep a watch on - draft trades, or just trades in general - and trust me, covering this team there is no downtime. Always something to keep an eye on. My main man and partner in crime Howard Bryant will be handling the daily beat stuff for a while as Lauren and I prepare for the new arrival next week (if not sooner).

I will back on regular duty sometime before the draft (maybe that week or something, Cyn Cyty?), but I have accrued a lot of comp time, so plan to indulge in some of that now that I finally get a chance.

I will still blog from time to time depending on the day and will try to at least get a fresh page up when I can (with some help from Cindy). Also, keep those guests blogs coming and by all means have some fun. Give a little, take a little, keep a smile on your face.

Thanks for stopping by and have a great weekend.


By Jason La Canfora  |  March 22, 2007; 8:59 PM ET
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I'm first.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 22, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

enjoy the LOA, J-La. Best of luck to you and the family.

Peace and Reaperness

Posted by: etrod | March 22, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Happy trails, JLC! Have a great vacation. We'll be here when you get back.

Cyn Cyty... bring it!

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 22, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Wheeew! starting to wonder if AA passed that physical. Whats done is done, lets ready for a couple of weeks of draft conspiracy theories. Other than that I dont see too much happening at Redskins park. Enjoy your comp time JLaC

Posted by: Brutus | March 22, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

your inside info will be sorely missed...


Posted by: nonon | March 22, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

How much cap space is saved by releasing Patten?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 22, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

nonon, thanks for stopping back in.

cutting patten saves like $750K on the cap, skinfan.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 22, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

i'm so excited. not only do we get a whole 6th round pick for Arch, VC says we're probably going to stay at number 6. Whoot. It's going to be so totally awesome when they draft a guy, and then cut him next year, although he could just get immediately hurt.

Posted by: tampadave | March 22, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

just wanted to give you an early congratulations are the new addition and tell you to enjoy your time off. you been grinding for awhile and im sure you and your wife will enjoy you being off for a bit.

thanks for all you do for the redskins nation

Posted by: Kenny | March 22, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

There has always been a theory with media folk. People who like the stuff check it out very often but the people who hate it or think they do check in more. Such is the case with nonon. You have won him over JLC. Good luck to you and yours.

Posted by: Littlejohn | March 22, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Congrats in advance.

And thanks for putting the extremeskin mods in their place. Great, great stuff.

Posted by: Congrats | March 22, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse


Congrats on the imminent arrival, as well as taking some hard earned time off. Get ready for those sleepless nights again. Although, as I'm sure you've seen with Chloe, they grow up FAST. I can't believe our little girl is almost 3 1/2 months already. Had our first poop during bathtime experience tonight...and we actually laughed. Yup, definitely a parent thing.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 22, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't you think they might have been just fine with David Patten last year, without having to go after Brandon Lloyd?

Posted by: Ron | March 22, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I realize this is a dumb question but can someone please tell me what MOD stands for -as in ExtremeSkins mod?

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, moderator.

Posted by: dcsween | March 22, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe I should have been more specific. A moderator is like a manager/custodian of a web discussion ... enforces the rules, etc. (e.g., removing posts that violate the rules). If there are passwords or usernames, the manage that stuff. Blah blah blah.

Posted by: dcsween | March 22, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Its a huge job on a site like wikipedia. ES mods mostly (it seems) watch troublesome posters, sometimes limit them from posting new threads for flagrant violators. RI doesn't really need much in terms of a moderator, probably just someone to clean out the daveb55 posts or the ones about farts/blog stinks, probably not until closing the thread and archiving. Just a guess.

Posted by: dcsween | March 22, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, dcsween.

By the way, America's Game: The 1982 Redskins was on the NFL Network tonight. Did anyone see it? Fabulous.

Also, Doc Walker was amazing HOT back in the day (he still has it going on in my opinion) - kinda resembled my man Springs.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

David Patten is gone.
Poor guy was always injured.
I'd really rather have seen a shake up invovling Brandon Lloyd being released.
Guess they figured he cost them too much in the draft to give up on him so soon.

Reminds me of Duckett.
Ooops I forgot, they thought it just fine to let go of a #3 round [when there are only 7 rounds] on Duckett yet did he even carry the ball twenty times?

Denver trading Al Wilson to Giants?
He was offered here in that deal for the 6th pick, and we turned it down to sign a 32 year old LB instead.

Can anyone say, "Here we go again"

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 22, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh the 82 'Skins.

Theismann, Riggins, Joe Washington, Charley Brown, Art Monk, Alvin Garrett, Don Warren, Rick Doc Walker, Jacoby, Grimm, Bostic, Dean, Starke running the ball down the Cowgirls throat to win the NFC title game and head to the SB XVII.

I was so excited! RKF was rockin'!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 22, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

RFK was rockin'!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 22, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks so much for the kind words guys. Hopefully everything will go as smoothly with the BTBNL (baby to be named later) as it did with Chloe's delivery (easy for me to say, I know).

I will call Cindy when I get a chance and have her post the particulars on the web. Have a feeling this one - be a boy or girl - is going to be a butterball.

4-12 - can't believe it has been that long since you guys went thru this. man, time does fly.
Chloe only did the old No. 2 in the tub thing once, and she actually dropped it as my parent's house in Bmore. I was out with the boys and missed the entire scene.


Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 22, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck! Cross your fingers and hope for twins!

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 22, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

And if you think a 6th for Archi is bad, the Chiefs are about to settle for a 7th for Trent Green.

Speaking of which, is archi a firm sixth or is there still some conditional change still lurking about?

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 22, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Jason, you definitely do not want twins! I'm a twin so I know something about that.

Posted by: Lisa | March 22, 2007 11:16 PM | Report abuse

But with twins, you've always got someone around to keep their eye on the NFLN!

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 22, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it might be worth your time to take one last trip to Arch Deluxe!,
which surprisingly has been updated to include news of the trade, and most importantly has an updated poll -- "what do you think of the trade"
Of course the only answers are "great for the bears" or "bummer, would've been great for the skins".
There might be other options he hadn't had time to consider, but what with the crush of deadlines....

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 22, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck to you and your wife! You'll be in our prayers!

Posted by: icarus | March 22, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

All the best to you and the fam, J-la. Just make sure you don't use your vacation time to run yourself even more ragged....

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 23, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray - I don't know what the rumored deal for the 6th pick and Al Wilson would have been, but it seems to me we are better off with Fletcher and the 6th pick than with Wilson and Denver's pick. Also Wilson has been in the league 8 years according to what I read so he is probably not much younger than Fletcher.

What I read was that the Bronco's were trying to trade
Wilson for cap room even though he had a great year for them last year. Seems like they may be the ones getting rid of their own proven player to splurge on FA's. They spent a lot more than us on them this year.

Posted by: Greg in NC | March 23, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations in advance, JLaC. I will go on a pub crawl in SF this weekend to commemorate your soon-to-be-crawling one.

BTW, whether we agree with you or not, we do appreciate the time you spend on the blog.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 23, 2007 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Jason - But now where will I get my soccer news?

Posted by: Dip | March 23, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes to you and Lauren. Do NOT blog until you'r ready to give it your all. We have other ways of entertaining ourselves. Don't we?

Posted by: Lavar Walt Clark | March 23, 2007 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Can somebody get a hold of some of this bad pet food thats going around and send some to "Rap-Cat"?Does this thing annoy anybody else as much as it does me?WTF is Checkers thinking about?I'm sorry,just had to get that out.

Posted by: dawglbs | March 23, 2007 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Good luck and Godspeed to you and your wife, Jason. For pity's sake, don't worry about this blog for a long time.

I like reading guest blogs anyway. They remind me what an intelligent, thoughtful fellow you are.

Posted by: Larry Bud | March 23, 2007 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Not necessarily, Cload. My twin sister (who lives in FL) knows NOTHING about football and does not follow it at all. Imagine that.

Posted by: Lisa | March 23, 2007 7:19 AM | Report abuse

What do the G-Men want with Al Wilson? Does this mean A.P. will be a cap casualty??? Let the rumors begin!

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Most of the mods on extremeskins think they are Gods. What a bunch of turds.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 23, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse


The mods on extremeskins actually start "threads" or discussions with the title, "post in this thread and you get banned". what is the point of that? to flex your geeky internet muscles?

I stopped going to extremeskins because of stupid stuff like that.... oh, and also because most of the mods, and about 50% of the crowd over there, think the Skins can do no wrong and make you feel like a moron for disagreeing with anything they do.

JLC, congrats on the new baby.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 23, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Who do the Broncos have in mind to play MLB? Could they be moving up to take Willis in the draft? I hear the Ole Miss LB ran better than a 4.4.

I heard AP got some criticism in NY, which seems unfair since the real reason the Gints always tank at the end of the year is due to injuries, especially to their defense.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Who saw that Dateline special last Sunday night? The one where the wives videotaped their husbands watching football.... pretty classic stuff.

In any case, for those who saw it, who else felt like a pile of cow dung after the NYG husband called AP "the heart and sole of their defense"?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 23, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Giants' constant spate of injuries have anything to do with the coaching staff's approach?

Posted by: P Diddy | March 23, 2007 9:05 AM | Report abuse

who farted this blog stinks?

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse


Need a diddy dawg update. I hope he is fully recovered by now.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 23, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

What was the thesis of that Dateline special??? Sounds like another "School busses with missing wheels are dangerous!" Dateline episode.

Ah, but then I'm a cynic. I simply can't watch news on television anymore (except Jon Stewart).

Oh, and I'm up at 6am because probably for the first time in my life, I'm actually nervous about meeting a certain local billionaire who controls my future startup with a go/no-go decision on funding. The decision won't come today, but the long business plan process continues...

Posted by: P Diddy | March 23, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse


Enjoy the well earned time off from work (can't really call it a vacation 'cause you'll be busy with other things) and best wishes to you and Lauren on a safe and speedy delivery. I (and others?) owe you a celebratory beer some night in the future.

As for jm220, quoting from Lisa's blog entry...

Jason, you definitely do not want twins! I'm a twin so I know something about that.

Should you ever get to DC and due to unfortunate timing, find that Lisa's sister is in town, I am a very capable wingman.

Or would that be cramping your style?


PS jm220/lisa, just a little friendly ribbing between family members. please do not kick my ass when you see me in NO.

Posted by: EaglesFan | March 23, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The pooch and I went to the vet last week and she say he's doing quite fine. I have to do (hilarious!) strength-building exercises with him. The whole "daddy" thing with this ordeal is (gasp!) growing on me. I feel remarkably responsible for a change :-)

I had noticed that even before his pelvic fracture he was getting underfoot quite a bit. My upstairs neighbor stated the obvious, which I had not thought of: "he's getting older and slowing down."

Wow, my 10 year old dog, who has been with me for the bulk of my adult life, through breakups, and heartache, and trans-Oceanic moves, and just about every meaningful moment of my life is getting...old. That means I am too :-)

Thanks for asking!

Posted by: P Diddy | March 23, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations in advance Jason. Hope everything goes well.

Posted by: Rusty | March 23, 2007 9:18 AM | Report abuse


Good luck, good speed, and since I'm kind of curious what you're up to in Seattle, if you're in need of a Java/J2EE programmer, give me a holler.


Posted by: EaglesFan | March 23, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

You know it's a different type of offseason for the Redskins...when they didn't sign Trent Green (b/c he knows the system), cut clipboard Collins, and demoted JC to second string and made Brunell the highest paid third string QB. Before the offseason started, that would have been my guess. Whewwww I'm glad that didn't happen, but wait the offseason is not over yet...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 9:19 AM | Report abuse

You have to appreciate this offseason. No splashy signings, addressing a need (CB) with a cheap player with a proven track record in their system, and jettisoning bad signings from the past once and for all.

I still agree with the "sleeping giant" thesis that JLaC posed. The 'Skins could be dangerous for years if they get a serious football guy who can articulate and drive a vision for the organization, plan a coherent coaching succession strategy for St. Joe, and maintain discipline in personnel signings.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 23, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations in advance Jason. Hope everything goes well.


Posted by: Skip HTTR | March 23, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

You know wed DID just get a 6th rounder for Archilemon and KC IS asking for a 7th rounder for Trent Green. It's not like we haven't overpaid before.

I'm not saying...

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

EaglesFan no problem being the wingman. There were be no kicking my friend (that's for the ES clowns) but there will be a smack to the back of your head. I sent you two e mails about the trip. Why haven't you respond? Where is the hammer?

Hello Lisa I hope all is well.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Congrats in advance to J-La. Be strong, big fella, take care of your bidness, and don't worry about the blog, we've got it under control.

P Diddy, it's great to see you up here and to hear about Diddy Dog's recovery. Kick ass in your meeting today. You're going to rock.

"Sleeping giant," what a terrific epithet, encapsulating what we'd all like to believe about our team (expect, uh, Adam and SMACK). If it didn't contain a division rival's mascot, I would nominate it as our new team nickname.

Whew, looks like we survived another blog war, or skirmish anyway. To paraphrase Neville Chamberlain, there are no winners in a blog war, only losers.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

etrod -

All it will take is for the Eagles to show interest in Green and then the Skins will pull the trigger on a deal...

Posted by: Chris | March 23, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Good luck to you and the family Jason, we are forever indebted to you for the extra hours you put in giving us the tasty tidbits from Skinsland. Enjoy the time with the new baby.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | March 23, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about the Eagles because Green's not a west coast QB, but the Cowchips are a possibility.

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse


Let me add my best wishes to you and your family on the new addition. I hope everything goes well. Also, thanks for all you do for feeding this addiction to skins news.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 23, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I just mentioned the Eagles because of the Duckett fiasco. But yeah, the Boys are a possibility.

Posted by: Chris | March 23, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse


Guess you didn't get yesterday's email. The really brief summary is I'm definitely in, but haven't had much chance to work out exactly when I can get to/from DC to NO.

Since I had a few more questions about the trip, could you double check your mailbox to see if it's in there? Unfortunately, I didn't save a copy of it, so I'd have to reconstruct it from memory if you don't have the note.


Posted by: EaglesFan | March 23, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse


did you get the last note I just sent you, or are these messages getting eaten by your mail server/service's spam filters?


Posted by: EaglesFan | March 23, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

EaglesFan I just checked my spam folder and they are there. Smack to my own head for not checking. lol

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Congrats JLC. Please take some much deserved time off. The regulars will be fine for a little while without their shepherd.

Is there any chance that when your wife gives birth, you could get her to yell: 'HAYUKEN!' No? Inappropriate?

The skins are like a sleeping giant that was gassed, taken out into the middle of the barren wilderness and tied to the table legs in a meth lab.

Excuse the shameless plug, but if any of you are bored this evening, swing by the Arlington Cinema N Drafthouse. Really cool comedy show. That felt dirty.

Last, I believe the Houston Texans are the worst organization in pro sport. They have redefined what it means to overpay.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | March 23, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse

So I remove my headphones for a few seconds to answer my phone and what do I hear over the cubicle wall?

'She's like the wind' by Patrick Swayze playing on someone's radio...Now I remember why I wear headphones at work.

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 10:38 AM | Report abuse


An Eagles fan sends e-mail to a Skins fan and it winds up getting marked as spam. Sounds like your system is working exactly as it should ;)


Posted by: EaglesFan | March 23, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse


you need to go Roadhouse on someone in the office...

Posted by: EaglesFan | March 23, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor puts Baby in a corner.

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Hello Greg in NC
Lived in NC myself for three years!

Hey, I recall Jason posting this, and I also read this on a Denver site. So I looked for it, found it and am posting the link for you which actually includes Denver and their citing of Jason here on this WPost blog.

Here it is for you:

Good hearing from you.
Where do you reside in NC?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking he deserved a 10M bonus for catching more than 20 balls in 2 years. We should have also given New England a 2nd round draft pick for coaching him up so well prior to joining the skins.

Posted by: Cerattto | March 23, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

could just be WFAN in NY being who they are, but they just reported that as well as the Giants, the Skins are interested in trading for Al Wilson

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen my handcuffs?

Posted by: Jenny | March 23, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Broncos made a proposal involving middle linebacker Al Wilson, their first-round pick (21st overall), a third-round pick and perhaps a second-round pick to land Washington's sixth-overall pick

I am not sure why the didn't go for that one. A player and some more draft picks. WTF was they thinking?

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Hi jm220, how are you? Did you meet with Nate on Monday?

Posted by: Lisa | March 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Good luck to you and Lauren, and to your little girl heading toward big-sisterhood.

Posted by: Deanna | March 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

No Lisa I didn't get a chance to meet with Nate and the crew on Monday. We had a deadline on applications for the FCC. Damn them. lol

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

What do the G-Men want with Al Wilson? Does this mean A.P. will be a cap casualty??? Let the rumors begin!

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 08:04 AM

The Giants are very short on experienced linebackers. Pierce is their only projected returning starter. Also heard that some are not thrilled there with Pierce at MLB and may move him to OLB if they can find an experienced MLB. That would seem to explain their talks with Denver - trade for Wilson, move Pierce to OLB, and draft another OLB. If they can't get Wilson, then Willis might be on their radar. If they get Wilson, they might be looking to draft an OLB instead.

I also read that the Giants asked Chicago about Briggs, indicating the need for LBs in NY is real. Maybe we should send them Holdman's cell number.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what the Broncos are thinking. They sign a ton of FA's then have to trade Al Wilson, the heart of their defense, for CAP reasons. They say they'll try and move DJ William inside. Their D-line is no great shakes and now they want to weaken their LB core, their strongest unit? Definite head scratcher.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

could just be WFAN in NY being who they are, but they just reported that as well as the Giants, the Skins are interested in trading for Al Wilson

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 11:05 AM

Schefter mentioned something on that on NFLN yesterday - that the Redskins were initially interested in Wilson but not lately. Detroit was mentioned as still being interested.

The agent was quoted late last night that they were not close to a deal with NY. Sounded like he was trying to drive up the price by implying that many more teams were interested than just the Giants. That's always a good time to mention the Redskins.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Art - the prevailing feeling down here is - absolutely YES - they overpaid for Schaub - but there is a feeling of relief that Carr will be gone. I am glad that I don't have the agony of being a Texans fan. If Schaub outperforms Carr, even a little, then no one will care. But as to them being the worst organization in pro sports, yes they do try harder.

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 23, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If Denver doesn't get some cap relief, they won't have any money to sign draft picks. LOL - sound familiar? Wilson has a big cap number so trading him would help a lot. Maybe that's why they are hanging with the very cheap Mr. Bly for 2007 - they can't afford Springs.

As for the alleged deal with Denver involving Wilson and picks, here is the probable conversation at Ashburn in February -

Gibbs - Vinny says we can get Al Wilson and a bunch of draft picks from Denver - cheap!.
G. Williams - Nahh, forget about those draft picks, Joe. More rookies are no good. Al Wilson is no good. We need London Fletcher.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

John D in Houston- Are Texans fans really that weary of Carr? I know he's struggled, but isn't the O-line the big issue? Dude's been sacked like, what, 250 plus times in 5 years.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

best to you, the misses and the new one.. i'm brand new to this blogging stuff.. and really enjoying the redskins chat.. plus the opportunity to air my own stuff out.. your blogs are great.. hope to hear from you soon.. only wish the post a comment section was at the top with the latest posting just underneath so i wouldn't have to go all the way to the bottom of hundreds of postings..

Posted by: vpar | March 23, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Schaub doesn't have to outperform Carr - he has to outperform Vince Young. Texan fans will never forget that 2006 shabingus. Hey, but they got Ahman Green to help the fans forget about Reggie Bush too. And maybe the Astros will have a good year.

My guess is they will have to change the name of the team when they move to L.A.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

To continue the conversation about Al Wilson.

Dan S - Let's sign him Vinny. I'll give him $10M over 3 years and a $75M signing bonus.

Vinny - $75 million, are you sure?

Dan S. - No problem, I'll start charging fans to EXIT the stadium...

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I know some folks here don't like Shefter, but when it comes to issues with the Broncos he's usually well informed - he's a former Denver writer. I believe he was the one who broke the portis-bailey deal before anyone else. It's been rumored (at least by jealous radio guys) that he's pretty tight with Shanahan

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

So if jm220 is correct and the Broncos really did offer the Skins #21 and a 2nd and 3rd and Al Wilson for the #6 I will repeat the comment of WTF were they thinking

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Jenny -

I got your handcuffs right here....bada bing!

Posted by: PG | March 23, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Manboobs wanted "his guy" LFB. That's what they were thinking. And now, jm220 will let us know his opinion of Double G.......

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Lest I forget -

Mssr. La Canfora,

Best wishes to you and your family in the coming days. You know you have the thoughts and prayers of many of us here.

Pamper Lauren in every possible way. You don't get many chances like this in life - take advantage of it. You'll remember these days a lot longer than the days flinging mortars at the ES clowns.

And don't forget to take Chloe out for a special afternoon activity (just you and her) a day or two after the new baby comes home. You have to let her know that she is still special when the new baby is going to be getting most of the attention. (Maybe you could take her to the Rat's Palace for lunch.)

Enjoy the break - the inmates will take care of things here.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Ok, it's only five weeks to the draft. Shorter time than I thought. We have, what, five picks at the moment?

1st round, 6th overall;
5th round, 133rd overall;
6th round, 164th overall;
6th round, 190th overall (from Chicago;
7th round, 197th overall.

The 5th round and later picks will slide down in the overall rankings because of compensatory picks awarded...

Per, a lot of teams currently hold six picks. Only Indy matches our meager five picks at the moment, but theirs are 1st-3rd-4th-5th-7th, and I am guessing they'll score a bunch of compensatory picks since they've been raided in free agency.

When I look at the list like this, it really, really, REALLY makes me want to trade down in the first round and pick up a second or third rounder (or more). Our current picks might yield, what, one starter and two quality backups/ depth guys, if we're really lucky? Just thinking about likely contributions this year.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

So if jm220 is correct and the Broncos really did offer the Skins #21 and a 2nd and 3rd and Al Wilson for the #6 I will repeat the comment of WTF were they thinking

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 12:00 PM

JLC put that on his blog a few weeks back as a possiblity - don't know if it was confirmed. I agree with you on the WTF were they thinking. But this far from the draft it makes you think that maybe they like one of those top players alot more than they're letting on - or they think they'll get a better deal when the draft gets closer.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Mole, the line about the Texans having to change their name when they move to LA was priceless.

Though I would posit that Lakers is just as absurd a mascot in that freshwater-free, not-fit-for-human-life basin as Texans would be.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Adam Schefter - except for his comments about Monk - and in truth he was just stating reasons why Monk was not voted in....not saying that he did not vote for him.

Schefter is pretty much on target with his predictions, especially - as skinswest stated - on anything to do with Denver.

Posted by: Lisa | March 23, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's newest profit strategy - Texas boots on all cars parked at FedEx for more than three hours. Removal fee - $150.00

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Jason, you're the reason i get up every morning

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

On this page of the website

you'll see that Schefter isn't keeping up.

They say the basic deal is this:

"The story says the Broncos offered Wilson, and the #21 pick to the Giants for DE Justin Tuck, the #20 pick and the Giants 4th Round Pick. The Giants would like the offer "toned down". Thanks to WABronco for the link!"

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Nate -

Weren't the Lakers the Cinncinati Royals originally, or do I have that mixed up with another team? L.A. Royals would have worked better than Lakers.

My early suggestions for new names for the soon-to-be-relocated Texans -

The Salton Sea Dogs
The Anaheim Assclowns
The La Brea Pits

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Could be worse for Houston. They could've traded for Plummer. Who knows, they may still.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I just got off of the Skin phone w/ Denver.
They are offering us Al Wilson, their #1, their number two, and and a number three for our pick #6 overall. What do you guys think?

Coach Joe:
Wilson would give us experience right away in the middle where we need it and he is still only 29.

Gregg Williams:
Wilson? I want London Fletcher. He knows my system inside and out from our days in Buffalo! And what do we need those draft picks for anyway? I can do it with undrafted free agents!

Coach Joe:
Yes, Gregg, I see what you mean about Fletcher. How old is Flether?

He is 32.

Daniel Snyder:
You guys hurry up, the signing period begins in 6 hours and I want to be the first owner to sign someone.

Yes, sir, Mr. Snyder.

Coach Joe:
I think we could use a couple more draft picks, but I do want to win now. I mean, how much more time do I have left?

Gregg Williams:
I've got your back, Joe. No need to worry.
Makes eye contact with Vinny and smiles.

Daniel Snyder:
Tonight I can offer Fletcher a deal he can't refuse, and then I can still keep the 6th pick and ESPN will be here on Draft Day in our Draft room... the coverage will be great for us around the country. I'll get right on those brand new London Fletcher jerseys and shipments being available in Buffalo for his fans. We need the revenue you know...
And I need to purchase a new suit for draft day coverage.

One for me too, sir?

Daniel Snyder:
Yes, you too, Vinny.
Now, how can we figure out how to trade next years #1 and this year's 6th overall selection so I can trade up on draft day stealing the show? Then they would be talking about the "Big News of this 2007 Draft came out of Redskin Park, where the Washington Redskins traded up to the #1 selection in the draft!!"

Someone please tell me this was merely a bad dream, please?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Trent Green is asking for big money and a starting job, so no chance he was coming to D.C.

So if Green goes to Miami, and Carr goes to the Vikings, does Culpeper go to Oakland where he is reunited with Moss? Or do the Raiders send Moss to Green Bay and draft Johnson with the #3 pick after swapping spots with Cleveland so the Browns can take Russell?

Only 36 days until the Draft.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I belive the Kings were formerly the Royals, but I could also be mistaken as I am a die hard fan of Les Boullez.

The Texans will relocate to New Orleans after Tom Benson gets his wish and becomes the LA Saints (Talk about Oxymorons).

The Texans will become the New Orleans Pontchartrainians. Try putting that on a Helmet.

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Weren't they the Minneapolis Lakers, Mole? Land of Ten Thousand Lakes and all that.

Salton Sea Dogs... genius! You're on a roll today, Mole.

Happy Friday, everybody.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I thought the Giants only had 1 #20 so how can the Broncos trade them for a 4th rounder?

Posted by: Lisa | March 23, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Nate -

If the Johnson-Russell-Quinn/1-2-3 scenario holds up, the only hope for trading down will be if someone wants to move up to get Peterson or Adams or Landry. It isn't looking very good at the moment to move down and get more picks. The FO will really have to be on their game with only 4 picks in the draft.

Hahahahahahahahaha! Damn, did I really say that??? Sht! Fire Vinny now - why wait?

Draft Landry at #6 and watch the Cowboys cry. That will be good enough.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the Minneapolis Lakers moved to LA

Also the Cleveland Rams moved to LA

The Brooklyn Dodgers moved to LA

The Buffalo Braves moved to San Diego, became the Clippers and then moved to LA.

Don't let Mr. Snyder get any ideas!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

How about Oakland trading for Carr and drafting CJ #1, then shipping Moss to Miami to be reunited with Culpepper in exchange for Ricky Williams and a case of Snapple?

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Good luck, best to you and yours Jason.

Have fun.

Posted by: Clinton Hill | March 23, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Lisa -

I saw your comment about this yesterday and watched NFLN last night. The way they said it WAS confusing - they meant 1 pick in every round, not 1 pick total.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato denied reports the Redskins want to trade up for the top pick in next month's draft to take LSU quarterback JaMarcus Russell. He also said the Redskins do not want to deal their first-rounders in 2007 and 2008 for Chicago Pro Bowl linebacker Lance Briggs, who vowed never to play for the Bears again after his market value was reduced when they made him their franchise player.
"There's no merit whatsoever," Cerrato said of those rumors.
- Washington Times

Oh shti!Maybe Gibbs thinks Briggs is Wilbur Marshall.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The Cincy Royals moved to KC
who then moved to Sacramento and became the Kings.

Something not sure what, tells me Mr. Snyder might be interested in being the owner of a team called "the Kings".

Just a guess...

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Nate -

Have you seen my whips and chains?

Posted by: Jenny | March 23, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry - was called upon to actually work for a minute there -

No, trust me - the entire city is sick of David Carr - Even the most avid defenders of Carr who firmly beleive that it is hard to throw the ball lying on your back are ready to see him go.

C'mon folks - the Texans are going nowhere near LA - they are one of the most profitable franchises in the league, even with their lovely record - and while I don't understand it, they have a loyal and rabid fan base.

The sentiment here was 50/50 between Vince Young and Reggie Bush - Even though Casserly had nothing to do with picking Mario Williams, many in the city blame him for the pick.

For the record - I much prefer to follow my Redskins through this group than listen to the blather around here about the Texans - more of a sense of humor to start with - the Texans have never won anything and people are throwing themselves off the bridge over a 5 year old team.

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 23, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Nate -

Okay, I looked it up.

Yes, the Lakers were the Minneapolis Lakers originally.

The Cinncinati Royals eventually became the Sacramento Kings.

*Special note to etrod - the ultimate oxymoron would be for the Cinncinati Bengals to move to La and become the LA Saints (or Angels or Cherubim)

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else watch NFL Network lat night on the 82 Skins?

Theismann, Mosley, Riggins. All Redskins greats with NFL Championship rings.
Gibbs wanted to get rid of these guys when he became head coach. And he wanted to make Jacoby a defensive lineman.

Just another piece of evidence that Gibbs should have absolutely NOTHING to do with personnel.

I still think Gibbs is the greatest or 2nd greatest head coach of all time (after Lombardi), but I don't think the Redskins would have been the co-team of the 80s if Gibbs had his way with the personnel.

Sadly, it's just another bad sign for Gibbs v2.4

Posted by: Diesel | March 23, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Diesel- Agreed on Gibbs re: him as the personel deciderer and top 2 or 3 coach of all time. However, with Riggo, Gibbs went to Kansas to get him to come back from his one year "retirement" before '81. And with Jacoby, the old story is Gibbs took one look at him and thought he was a defensive lineman because he was so huge.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

That said, he was at his best with Bobby Beathard as general manager.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, that was great stuff last night. Aside from the fact that you had to endure Joey T's commentary.

My favorite part was listening to Theasman describe how Russ Grimm basically took over the huddle, and demanded to repeatedly run 50 GUT, right at Randy White. Vintage Riggo and the Hogs putting the smack down on the Cowpies, winning the NFC, and going to the Super Bowl.

In the winning locker room, Doc Walker looked about 25, and the first guy that stood out, to me...........Bobby Bethard. Man, only if.

Posted by: k Squared | March 23, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I watched the 1982 Redskins on NFLN last night also. It made me wonder why Snyder doesn't pick up the damn phone and call Bobby Beathard and offer him his old job back.

Beathard drafted most of the Hogs, Manley, Mann, D. Green, and many more keepers.

Gibbs drafted Desmond Howard.

Casserly drafted Michael Westbrook.

Marty drafted Gardner, Rod.

Vinny drafted Gibran Hamdan.

Any questions?

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I like this change in the atmosphere here. Tired of denigrating the skins? Pick on the Texans! Hey the Raiders, Lions, Browns, Buccaneers (oh man they beat us last year), and the Cardinals should be fair game as well.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, running 50-gut right down Randy's throat 10 plays in a row was my fav part too.
To me, that was the greatest Redskins game in franchise history.

Posted by: Diesel | March 23, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason Gibbs went to Kansas to try and re-up Riggins was because Mr. Cooke instructed him to do so. I remember hearing something about that little venture after Mr. Cooke died.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

When you get really depressed about the Redskins, go read the blogs on the Detroit Lions. Even Vinny looks brilliant when compared to Millen. (Last thing I read from up there - they are thinking of nominating Millen for a Nobel Prize if he can successfully manage to trade down from #2 and grab an extra pick or two in the draft.)

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I have completely stopped working for the day. Sitting in the office going back and forth between BMGO, Tetris and Paper football. Fridays are awesome.

Posted by: etrod | March 23, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Ah - the internets have destroyed the American work ethic!

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 23, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Will Al Gore take credit for that?

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

FYI...the best sign of how dysfunctional the management team with the Redskins is would have to be: a guy that Vinny, Gibbs and Snyder think is worthy of the BIGGEST contract ever for a seen as being worth a 6th round pick by the rest of the league. Get the house in order: Gibbs, either be president or a real head coach; Snyder, study why The Jack was so succesful; and Vinny, time to release the guy that single-handidly destroyed the 49ers (does anyone ever wonder why when Carmen Policy, Dwight Clark, et al left the 49ers to take over the Browns...the only person they didn't bring with them was Vinny?).

Posted by: Doug/Baltimore | March 23, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The other humorous NFL city for blog of the month is Buffalo. They are trying to justify (or maybe understand?) how their defense will be better this year after losing their two best defensive players in free agency (Clements and Fletcher), as well as how they will soon have the best running game in the NFL, thanks to McGahee leaving and Dockery arriving.

It must be great to be a Buffalo Bills fan. When Ralph Wilson (owner) and Marv Levy (GM/VP/whatever) talk about the old days, they are usually referring to the 19th century.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Poll Question? Which NFL commentator deserves the award for Mr. "anti-Redskin". All this talk about GM's, bad offseason moves, etc. is making me cringe just thinking about next season when Bill Maas calls a Redskins game. I hate that guy...

Posted by: CC | March 23, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, let's see - are we talking the past or the future, Doug? Sean Taylor was projected as a top 5 pick before the 2004 draft. LaRon Landry is projected as a top 10 (at worst, and still rising) pick in the 2007 draft. It's generally rare that safeties are considered as high 1st round picks. In the case of Taylor and Landry, both are/were.

In case you hadn't noticed, the salary cap has gone up somewhat dramatically in the past two years. It's a good bet that every top 10 draft pick contract in 2007 will be a record of one type or another. Between high draft pick contracts and the recent UFA signings, there will be lots of salary confusion and dissension in the NFL for the next year or two. In Baltimore, it is why Adalius Thomas left and why Ed Reed is probably now underpaid.

Otherwise, there is no argument with you on the Redskins FO - Snyder should hire a real GM and then get out of the way except to sign checks, Gibbs should do nothing but coach, and Vinny should just go away.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What, you actually listen to the TV commentary watching Skins games, CC? Masochist!

Of course, now that Larry bumped Frank off the radio broadcasts, I'm not doing much better....

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 23, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I don't live within Danny's "Triple X" coverage area...

Posted by: CC | March 23, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Oh, and if you were referring to Archulemon - well, who knows what the F they were thinking. I sure don't. Someone should be held accountable for that boondoggle. (G. Williams, maybe?)

I still can't figure out why Chicago signed him and gave up a 6th round pick for him either, after the fact. But Lovie likes Rex Grossman too, so who knows. Maybe we can set up a regular trading program with the Bears.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If memory serves correctly,
Jacoby was already a DL.

He was not great, went undrafted and the Skins actually changed him to an OL, the rest is history and three Super Bowl rings.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse


You can pick up the radio broadcast of the games from a link on the skins web site. The games are not always on the local cable where I live, so I listen and "watch" on the internets.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 23, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

All NFL commentators are suspect. Walsh won every Super Bowl in the 80s, didn't he? And Shanahan and Johnson won them all in the 90s, right? And now Bellhop in the 00s? Ugh.

The sports media bias sucks. La Canfora's idea about customized NFL commentary sounds better all the time.

Posted by: The Mole | March 23, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Danny doesn't make you pay for the internet link?

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 23, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I mean really, why the need to break up Frank,Sonny and Sam?

When it became time, they could have gotten rid of all three.

As it is, they had been doing it together for years, loved working together, and now, when I hear Sonny and Sam, what do I do? I think of Frank.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Joe did go to Kansas to talk Riggo back from retirement. He had Chuck Muncie in San Diego and knew how important it was to have a big back for short yardage and also play action deep.

You recall that first season, Joey T was throwing deep quite often as they lost high scoring games, once that young line of May, Grimm, Jacoby started improving, the game plan changed and so did the Skins.
0-5 start but finished 8-8!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 23, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Guys and gals, thanks so much for all the best wishes, but please, don't thank me for doing this. Sure, ii takes time, but I truly enjoy it and it's you guys who actaully make it worthwhile. Without you I am well, spitting in the wind and I love the community we have built.

It's great gettign to know you all - at least through the internet - and we'll definitely do another night out sometime before training camp.

Okay, time ot get back to work on the pre-arrival honey-do list Lauren has so dilegently compiled for me.


Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 23, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse


I am too cheap to pay unless I absolutely have to. So far, the radio link is free.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 23, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Mark. It's great though, I live in Bel Air, MD and I pick up (2) Fox channels. One for Fox 45 in Baltimore and the other for Fox 5 in DC. So, I'm always able to view the Redksin games whether the Ravens are in town or not but I can't pick up any of the Redskin radio stations (clear that is). And I'm not about to give up watching the game on the flat screen for Sonny and company on the net.

Posted by: CC | March 23, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone think we should ahve traded our #1 to Denver??? Because of salary cap, the trade is essentially al wilson, denvers 1,2,3 for our 1 and LFB. If wilson is being shopped so hard, there must be a reason, he isn't that much younger than LFB, and wilson is a speed player, so probably won't age as well as LFB.

We can still make a similar trade giving our 1 for late 1,2,3, with some team im sure, but why? I'd rather have 1 stud DL than 3 guys who might be good, do we really trust the FO with those 3 picks, we are much safer where we sit right now. It looks like Carriker might not even be there at #21, so we'd be losing a lot of talent on DL with that trade. I only want to trade back a few spots, long as we get Addams, Anderson, Branch, or Okoye

Posted by: Jon | March 23, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse


I live north of you in Pylesville. The local cable (not comcast) is pretty bad. Fox 5 is not an option. I hope to switch to DirectTV one day.

Posted by: Mark (21132) | March 23, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Mark - Yeah, I have Comcast. I just don't get Fox 5 in HD. Oh well, the picture still looks pretty good.

Posted by: CC | March 23, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Jason, Congrats Man. This is my first time posting here but I am an avid reader, checking for updates all day long. I was over at ES yesterday defending some of the points you made and being angery at the Redskins for having 1 division title in 14 years. I think i was put on "read only" for not agreeing with big brother and actually saying there is no way we have made all the right personel moves and yet only have 1 division title. Anyone else ever have any problems over there?

Posted by: skinsn24 | March 23, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Well thanks - I never thought to look for that - I've got Time Warner TV down here, so no NFL network - 6 - 7 skins games are on TV every year -(automatically get Dallas games) - but I watch the rest on game cast or on my late lamented ESPN Mobile phone - or the chinese internet link that my son found for all games

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 23, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Archuleta speaks:

"I don't regret signing with the Redskins. The communication between me and certain members of the coaching staff was pretty nonexistent for the last few months of the season. (Editor's note: The defensive coaches don't talk to you if you aren't a member of the defense anymore.) I could air a whole bunch of different laundry. There's a lot more going on there than people understand."
"I sensed things were kind of strange, really not what they seemed towards the end of training camp. I didn't see it coming. It kind of snowballed into kind of a mess. I won't pretend I went there and lit it up. (Editor's note: Well, duh.) When you look at the performance of the team and the defense and you look at individual performances, I don't think mine was really out of line. (Editor's note: Surely you jest, Adam?) In a certain sense, I hit rock-bottom, so I learned a lot about myself. I think I'm better as a person and better as a football player because of it. This move is best for the Bears, best for the Redskins and best for me."
"I don't think there are many safeties who can do what I do underneath. (Editor's note: Underneath what? The blankets?) People like to say I can't cover. I don't believe it. I don't have a lot of interceptions, [but] I don't get beat a lot, [and] rarely was I out of position until last season.
"I'm looking forward to the fans of Washington actually seeing what I'm capable of doing and what I could have been doing in a Redskins uniform." (Editor's note: Thanks, Adam, but No, Thanks - we've seen enough.)

Posted by: Still Clueless in Chicago? | March 23, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse



Art Monk and his wife, Desiree, renewing their wedding vows in the back room of Morton's steakhouse at Tysons Corner. About two dozen guests attended the Tuesday night ceremony celebrating the couple's 25th anniversary, including Monk's fellow former Redskins Darrell Green, Charles Mann and Ken Harvey and team chaplain Brett Fuller. No booze served at this party, but plenty of shrimp cocktail, crabcakes and rib-eye steak. Monk's present to his bride? A new Mercedes.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Archuleta's "I don't get beat a lot" made me spit water on my desk. Someone send him the game tapes from the first 6 games last year.

Posted by: cdubb | March 23, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

couple quick stories

Gibbs goes out to meet with Riggo ( who had retired the year before) they meet in the morning at Riggo's house. John beer in hand greets Joe. Joe Says (to himself) i'm going to get this guy to comeback and then I'm going to trade him.They talk for awhile and gibbs does his best to convince john just how much the skins need him back, Riggo say ok I'll come back on one comndition. Gibbs ok what do you want Riggo " a no-trade Clause"

Jacoby was never an d-lineman. story is a redskin scout was at a game scouting some kids from the team jacoby's was playing and joe stood out he moved really well and had a real nasty streak, but was kinda rangy. so the scout talks to Joe after the game and says you have some ability but you need to develope(lift) if you work hard we might sign you as a FA (undrafted). well joe took the advice and next time the scout saw him he blocked out the sun.

Posted by: Old School | March 23, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Based on what newly acquired safety Adam Archuleta has been told by the Bears, he has been given Mike Brown's job. Which means that Brown, a Pro Bowler in 2005, will either be cut or moved back to free safety.
-- Daily Herald

Posted by: cdubb | March 23, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

For my two cents L. Fletch is waayyy better than Al Wilson

Posted by: chris larry | March 23, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Archuleta: People like to say I can't cover. I don't believe it. I don't have a lot of interceptions, [but] I don't get beat a lot, [and] rarely was I out of position until last season.

Yeah, we all say that because you DON'T cover. And as far as being not being out of position, its only the WRs that ran free on you that agree with you! As a friend oft spoke, "There are some who drink freely from the punch bowl of delusion. Then, there are those who gargle...."

That's it - I was going to be nice, and never paste a name on his ridiculous pastiche again, but by saying that, he's earned it, again. jm220, can I borrow your back of the head hammer to nail this 'Archbingus' placard to his skull, permanently?

Oh, and some one please drop this gem on a Bears fan blogsite? Might as well share in the good fortune....

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 23, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Nate, what was with some bird on top of a house in Portland on Good Morning America this morning?

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

1) I believe the Houston Texans' fans should be permitted to bring a class action suit against the franchise for negligence and suffering. Passing on Reggie Bush for Mike Mamula v 2.0 is the most indefensible act in the history of organized sport. (At least not coming away with VY...)

2) I'm not going to say anything else bad about my least favorite non cowboy/eagle/giant football player ever...after this. No member of any secondary in the colorful history of the league has ever been worse at covering offensive players. If I didn't hate him so much, I'd find those comments laughable. But I do, so I don't.

In the words of Dean Pritchard from Old School: "Don't turn around!"

Never ever look back here. Keep my name out of your lying mouth. You lied to me and every little Redskin fan who had hope. You robbed us blind (I know, we gave it to him but I'm ranting here) and sold us out to a sleezy reporter for an expose that ripped our team in two. And you wonder why people doubt you?

I don't want us on your mind. Why are we on your mind? The fans of Washington don't want to see what you can do because we saw what you did you lying punk. Go away forever and get beat by receivers, tight ends, and running backs, some fans, the ball boys, the annoying ushers that won't let you go to lower seats that are vacant, the sideline reports and several trainers.

They are going to 'put you in a position to make plays'. Translation? You have a limited skill set and need the exact right set of circumstances to do anything constructive on a football field. If you have plenty of talent around you, you'll do fine. Remember that. Remember you have never made anyone better. Remember that you are a liablity that has to be covered for. Remember that you couldn't even protect the punter. You plumber. You D1 chooch. That's your legacy: The worst signing ever in a series of bad signings. You're the benchmark.

'I had a lot of bad dates, but this psycho 3 toed tree sloth with gingivitis, warts, and a ridonkulous FUPA named AA was really the worst.'

I'm done.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | March 23, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The great thing about the Washington Post, clicking on a headline about David Patten being released and ending up getting the article about the Adam Archuleta trade.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS- I think you were holding back on us. Try it again, this time with feeling. lol

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

What is the Chinese internet link? I need to find something better than sneaking out and saying I'm going grocery shopping and really heading over to a sports bar to watch the final quarter of the Redskin's games. I almost got in trouble when the Saints game went into overtime (great game) and I also drank like seven beers.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | March 23, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS, wow. And wow. Let's hope that is the final word on the subject. Yeah, it was already on the ropes, but you pummelled it to death, and in fine style.

connskins, no idea what that Portland story was on GMA. I didn't hear anything about a bird on a roof. I know the Leonard Cohen song 'Bird on a Wire' and the musical 'Fiddler on the Roof.' Yes, I do.

Happy weekend, everybody.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Thinking about the Broncos. They want to trade Wilson to free up cap space. If the Skins want to free up cap space the renegotiate the contract which often means an extension. But the Broncos don't like to redo contracts. Their problem with Portis was that he had two years left on his contract, and they had a team policy of not redoing contracts, at least not while there were two years left. And they don't want to give Bly a new deal and Bly only has one year left on his contract, and in Bly's case a new contract might even save them cape space in the first couple of years. Do they want to trade Wilson, when it comes down to it, because their team policy won't let them restructure or extend his contract? And who do they have, or will get, to replace him?

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

hmmm, since AA in his website didn't have any pictures of himself in a Skins uniform posted on his website, (did he pull them sometime during the season????) I wonder when he's going to put up a picture of himself in a Bears uniform. And how soon will he remove all references to him as a Redskin?

To the answer to these and other Archileta questions......don't look here!!

Posted by: charlie | March 23, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

JLaC and his Followers -

Carr and Dominick Davis got cut FLAT OUT. No trade or anything. No Cap relief. Nothing. We are talking about the #1 pick in the 2002 draft here.

The Arch Deluxe sandwich can't compare to their 'King' of problems down there.

So much for that 'The other 31 teams blah blah blah' take. And we didn't have the chance to draft Vince Young or Reggie Bush like they did.

Remember - People talk in reporter's ears to get them to listen to 'their' side of the story. Try to make you take a side or a certain angle of the story. JLaC is getting caught up in the web that is known as Redskins Park....

Posted by: Skins Fan/Former Blogger | March 23, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Houston. I'm feeling a whole lot better about the skins now.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"I could air a whole bunch of different laundry. There's a lot more going on there than people understand."
"I sensed things were kind of strange, really not what they seemed towards the end of training camp. I didn't see it coming. It kind of snowballed into kind of a mess."

Why do former Skins (Champ/Pierce/LaVar/Harris/ and now Archuletta) ALWAYS say something like this... like there is something sinister and super secret going on behind the walls of Redskins Park? The first few guys to say it, I thought 'sour grapes'... but now I'm starting to wonder if maybe, just maybe, they are manufacturing WMDs over in Ashburn.

Posted by: Diesel | March 23, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Did you know to recieve over the air HD channels, you just need to hook up a plain old school antenna and just watch over the air??

Fox 5 - 5-1
WRC 4 - 4-1
WRC 4 Weather - 4-2
WJLA - 7-1
WJLA Weather - 7-2
WUSA - 9-1
My20 - 20-1 (I think)
CW - 50-1
TNT - 127-5

There are also some WETA chanels spattered through out. You just need to search for them.

Posted by: Quasi HD Expert | March 23, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

In my area I can pick up Bmore Channels as well. They are mostly in the $100s.

If you spend $50+ on an antenna, you can prob get better range on the signal.

Posted by: Quasi HD Expert | March 23, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

......Redskins Park

Posted by: Skins Fan/Former Blogger | March 23, 2007 04:08 PM

OK, I'll be the smart-a$$ and ask how can one be a "Former Blogger" and be, um, blogging?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Damn ArtMonkToTheSticks!! Way to bring the wood and the hammer.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

they are manufacturing WMDs over in Ashburn.

Posted by: Diesel | March 23, 2007 04:30 PM

They are, but Sean Taylor keeps using them for toothpicks.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason-

I like how you bail out on your duties when you start to feel a little heat, you buster.

Maybe you should put personal grudges aside and report the facts, seeing as how no one is coming here to read your sour grapes opinions about the Redskins and People come here to get the latest news. Not to hear you whine like a 16-year old girl who didn't get the kind of car she wanted for her sweet 16 birthday party.

Grow up and act like a professional. That is what you're supposed to be, right?

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | March 23, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

santa claus is mad because it is so close to Easter and the Bunny

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Learn how to read properly, you trick, and then attempt to insult me.

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | March 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

santaclause89- double spinning reverse Jackie Chan roundhouse smack to the back of your head to send you back to your ES blog.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

yeah your right i did read that really fast...oops,,but it really wasn't intended as an insult

Posted by: connskins | March 23, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

ITA, connskins, ITA.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SantanaClaus89 I see you have no clue. However, I am here to teach you. Picking up two hammers. Double smack to the back of your damn head. Now run along you before you get btch slap up in here.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

So I'm starting to get Redskin Ray's point about maybe waiting too long to pull the trigger on a trade down. Not that I particularly liked any of the rumored trades I heard -- look, any potential trade involving the Donkeys makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit -- but I felt that the FO's strategy was to get closer to the draft date and hope the value of that #6 pick rose or at least didn't drop in trade value.

Now I'm not so sure it was better to wait on a trade, since so many moves have happened and maybe, for example, nobody will be jumping up for "Not Tom" Brady Quinn.

But I know we're not going to know anything for sure about the draft until draft day.

Well, we know that if LaRon Landry goes to any team but the Skins, AMTTS' screams will be heard from here to Oxnard.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 23, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes, internet tough guys are so awesome. I'm very worried that I might get beat up over the internet.

Anyone who replies to honest critisim as you do is just as guilty as JLaC when it comes to unprofessionalism.

connskins - I apologize. Glad to hear you weren't trying to be disrespectful.

Anyway why all the hate against ES? I'm just failing to understand is all... aside from 5 mods, there are over 60,000 true blue Redskins fans there.

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | March 23, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

This soon to be ex-Miss USA Tara Conner looks exactly like Traci Lords with that new haircut of hers. Bangbros, am I nuts here? BANGBROS?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I missed it.....What/where is ES?

Posted by: Blog catchup | March 23, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

RE: Web Site for watching games -

the web-site is - it lists various games and sports on the left side of the screen - you may have to download a player (sopcast) for instance, to get your viewer to work

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 23, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess we won't be crying over LaRon Landry. Pokes signed Hamlin. One year 2.5 mil. Vedy nice!

Posted by: SMACK | March 23, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Yes, internet tough guys are so awesome. I'm very worried that I might get beat up over the internet.

You can ask any of the reg on the blog I have no problem with smacking your clown a** with the hammer. There is no hate from us toward ES. You guys come here and call us out. You step up you will get the beat down.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Just in case you are a little slow. That means in person punk!

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Oooo. Extremeskins. Who is from there? I never checked it out.

Is it gonna be ES vs. RI afterschool fight or something?

Posted by: I get it | March 23, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Smack- I hope he plays like Hamlemon for you guys.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the blog needs a penalty box. Kind of like what they do at Philly's stadium. Of course Philly being Philly, their penalty box is jail.

Posted by: skinswest | March 23, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse


Geoff Hobson of reports that police are expected to release videotape of the Las Vegas fight between Dolphins linebacker Joey Porter and Bengals left tackle Levi Jones. The video could corroborate reports that Jones was attacked by as many as seven men.

Hobson also reports that two chains taken from Jones during the incident were anonymously returned to the Palms Casino.

Porter was charged with misdemeanor battery. No charges were filed against Jones.

Posted by: Love Dat Chicken form Popeyes....... | March 23, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I used to visit ExtremeSkins from time to time (mostly before the RI Blog) and still do on occasion.

Those comments about ES being all Pro Skins is NOT true. In fact, that is one reason why I stepped away. They have a lot of very young (16 -20 year olds) bloggers. During the Dallas game, one young blogger said he wished Brunell would DIE! Now you guys really beat Brunell up but I don't remember any of you wishing death upon him (well, at least you did not WRITE that). Another blogger on ES was a Vince Young fan as well as a Skins fan. He actually wrote that he hoped the Titans would beat us because Vince Young needed a win...and asked the other bloggers if they were cool with that. Man, was that a stupid remark. They lit him on fire - and deservedly so. And then, Vince Young did beat us!

Posted by: Lisa | March 23, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

this BS that la conteras post' is supposed to be inside info. not a place for discussing babies, and ugly ones at that, and other nonon-sense.... hehe.... good grief people get a life!

yep jay I stopped in looking for some inside info, again, and i am disappointed, again. well off to find some real inside info at a real newspaper website, with real newspaper writers

Posted by: nonon | March 23, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Lisa wrote: They lit him on fire - and deservedly so.

Can we start implementing this punishment at FedEx with opposing fans. It would certainly make the walk back to the car after a loss alot more gratifying.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 23, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jason-

I like how you bail out on your duties when you start to feel a little heat, you buster.

Maybe you should put personal grudges aside and report the facts, seeing as how no one is coming here to read your sour grapes opinions about the Redskins and People come here to get the latest news.
Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | March 23, 2007 05:08 PM

Hey Punk - get a clue. This is a blog. If you want the news, buy the newspaper, you cheap b@stard. You don't like that? Don't come here. We couldn't give a damn. As far as "bailing on his duties", the plans for taking leave for the arrival of a new family member have been set for months. The regulars here are aware of it and very supportive of it. You don't like it? Too f*cking bad. Go back to ES and cry like the little girl you are.

Posted by: Otter | March 23, 2007 7:23 PM | Report abuse

How come the same people who want to send Joe Gibbs back to NASCAR think Bobby Beathard should come back to the Skins?

Posted by: wondering | March 23, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Beathard was good when he was here but he didn't walk on water. Remember Tory Nixon 2nd pick in 85 and Brian Davis 2nd pick in 87.

Posted by: Throwback | March 23, 2007 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Nonon, seriously, answer me something because I rack my brain trying to figure the logic. I have noticed your name come up for at least a few days now, usually saying something negative about the blog or J La. Now me, let's take American Idol for example. I watched an episode the 2nd season, thought it was horrible. I tried again the 3rd season, one episode, off in five minutes, and have not watched it since. I don't continue to watch week after week and say how stupid people are that watch it, which is essentially what you are doing. If other papers and other sites are so much better, why have you been here for, as far as I've seen, the past TWO OR THREE DAYS. And not just here, but posting on how bad it is. To me, it's one of two things. Either you're just plain stupid or you're a Cowboys fan. Oh wait, sorry, those two go together. Either you're stupid, or deep down inside you really love this blog, and as much as you want to hate it, it's like an infection, it just continues to grow. Please help me understand.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"Bobby Beathard was good when he was here but he didn't walk on water."

That may be true, but after the debacle that has been the past decade, a "good" GM is a major improvement, at least to me.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 23, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Nonon is probably a screen name for AD.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 8:18 PM | Report abuse

At least AD was smart enough to want to leave after not liking his stint in DC. Nonon reminds me of that idiot Manny Ramirez. He demands a trade EVERY offseason, saying he won't play another game for Boston. But every spring, guess who shows up?

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 23, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

am i the only one who is fed up with ES mods. If you say one bad thing about the team, like having 1 division title in 14 years, they go nuts and say the redskins have made tons of great decisions and only a few poor ones.

Any one have a theory on why they are so homer blind?

Posted by: skinsn24 | March 23, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Nonon's Mom: "Dinner's ready...did you clean your room yet? No dessert until you do"

Posted by: Anonymous | March 23, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

And nonon at the dinner table: "This dinner is disgusting, I hate it! I'm never going to eat this again! Can I have more and can we have it again tomorrow?"

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 23, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Before I say this, I too realize the FO has been dreadful at best. But honestly this FA period it seems we are getting things right. Not over spending for a guard. Bringing back a much better corner than Wright and Rumph AND passing on the Denver trade (wilson #21 and a second rd) Wilson failed his phyiscal - How pissed would we have all been if we got Wilson and before he would have played a down he would have been on IR. Turning the corner baby, turning the corner.

Posted by: Hail to 'em | March 23, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

David Carr is available? How did the Bucs not snatch that up?

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Easy skinsn24. If a media outlet is owned by something, the are not going to report negatively about that entity.

FES and their Snyder loving ways.

Posted by: Hoyas Rock | March 23, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Claus, thanks so much for taking time away from re-organizing you comic book collection to check in. what no date, tonight?

great to have you on board. you're right the "heat" from your halitosis has me running scared from my job. with any luck larry michael will take over the beat.

nonon, even with you and both of your imaginary friends helping you write comments, the best you can come up with is "ugly babies?"

either way, thanks for the web hits, boys, keep 'em coming.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 23, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Wilson failed his phyiscal - How pissed would we have all been if we got Wilson and before he would have played a down he would have been on IR

Hail to 'em so true my friend. You know the hammer would have been swinging all over the place. Let's just hope this isn't just for one year. That they really have learned.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree Hail, this offseason has been done the right way, at least so far. From not overpaying Dockery, to signing a player based on more than numbers or potential(Fletcher), and taking out the trash(the safety of which we do not speak), the Redskins have taken steps in improving the team. BUT, there is still plenty of time left in the offseason, so I am knocking on my desk here at work(I think it's wood) and hoping they continue this trend.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 23, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

There is a poster on the ES site named Pittman4Two, who is a Tampa Bay fan that comes to visit there every so often, saying encouraging things about the Skins (along the lines of good luck, but making completely and ludicrously (and obviously intentional) wrong factual errors (for effect), mixed metaphors, and humorous non-sequitur. I love when this guy posts. He hangs around and participates in the thread for a while, then he's gone for a while. Always just joshing, good fun, my team will beat your team on the griddle, that type of thing.

Well over half (like 75%) of the responses are these hostile, juvenile, attacks on Pittman4Two. On ES, you can include your "picture" as part of your signature, plus your age is in there, etc. ES posters rip on P42 for his looks, other personal stuff. Call him a moron. The level of conversation about the Skins on the site generally is about at that level. Occasionally there are a few posters who have something interesting to add to the conversation. I say there are about 20-25 people with anything interesting, relevant, or new. The rest is complete drivel. Takes forever to get through a post. The best stuff usually is in the starter (what J-La would call a guest blog), with maybe 1-2 thoughts added before the thread is over.

Life is short, but not too short for the info, humor, and usual goodwill I find here. Its too short for ES on my clock. I do still check in to ES when I'm trying to get a bigger picture on something new going on Skins-wise, but the site has this incentive system that encourages crap posting and throat clearing. The more posts you add, the more your post number increases, which means over time the little picture associated with your name gets upgraded. It's tiresome. Still, if I've had a football strategy questions (Xs and Os), its a good place to get pointed in the right direction. The cooch factor, however, is extraordinarily high. Also, it is by no means a Kool-Aid site. There are drinkers (they call them homers), but there are just as many cynical disgruntled fans who hate. The "blog wars" we've seen here are common place there. Also tiresome. My thoughts on that whole dispute (hard-core blind optimists vs. cynics living in the past) gets summed up and resolved for me by our own John from Herdon ... "Redskins, why do you break my heart?" Nuff said. Let's talk football.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach What the hell are you doing still at work? I hope you are on the West coast.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, I forgot ... ITA ... otherwise, they never go away.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Truthfully, I was sweating bullets about Archuleta not passing his physical.

I think his point from the interview about wanting the Redskins fans to see him play better might have been a reference to the fact that the Bears come to FedEx this coming season.

Posted by: dcsween | March 23, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach- What in the world are you doing at work at 10pm on a Friday?

G'town about gave me a heart attack. Not that I have any rooting interest in them, but they're the only locals still in it.

Wilson failed his physical? Damn, something else going right for the 'Skins this off-season.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:06 PM | Report abuse

jm220- Looks like...I...type...too...slow. lol

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

So that's why the Broncos were trying to unload Wilson. Buyer beware! I wonder what's wrong with him.

Posted by: skinfanman | March 23, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

JM220, not only am I here now(getting ready to leave to catch some NCAA though), but I will be back tomorrow morning. (SIGH) Long story short....I need a new job! G'nite all and happy blogging!

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 23, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ESPN | March 23, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach- You better be an accountant in the heart of tax season, or else you ought to aim that hammer squarely on the back of your boss' head!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

RobInVaBeach- You better be an accountant in the heart of tax season, or else you ought to aim that hammer squarely on the back of your boss' head!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

dcsween the joking around and taking shots at each other is what makes this blog fun. It's when people comes out and throw personal insults at JLC or one of the regular bloggers that it turns ugly. Hell we are not always going to agree with each other. But we must be respectful of each other. During the season Smack and I went at each other but it was all in fun and never personal.

I am still upset that Chris Larry didn't take the bait to a blog fight with me. Damn you CL!!! LMAO

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm up here alcohol free and still pulled a double move.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:26 PM | Report abuse

4-12 I am with you brother he better give him the hammer. Speaking of which I wore my "Smack to the back of the head" T to work today. People loved it. I will be ordering the new ones as well as the Reaper shirts. I been waiting for a Reaper shirt for a min.

Posted by: jm220 | March 23, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Being a life lonfg Skins fan (Iam 38) I watched "America's Game" on the NFL Network, about the '82 season. I had no idea the the "Fun Bunch" was to honor Monk becuase he had gotten hurt and couldn't play in the playoffs.

It also reminded me, the things that were/are important to Gibbs. He brought in players, who HE though could help the team, former players, players that were cast offs etc... This is just his way. I REALLY feel good about things going in the right direction. I miss the RFK days.

BTW, lets keep the logo on the helmet, but it might be time for some new uniforms. What do you think??!

Posted by: Hail to 'em | March 23, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

either way, thanks for the web hits, boys, keep 'em coming.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | March 23, 2007 09:53 PM

Now there's a man that groks Web 2.0... are you the 'silent partner' that P Diddy is sweating about?

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 23, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I've got to get one of the Reaper shirts too. The guys in the office will just shake their heads at me.

Oh, idea. When JLaC is back at the park, he should give Reaper one of the shirts, and see what he thinks of it. Of course, Reaper would have to talk to him...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Hail to 'em- As long as they never wear that damn white on white again.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

So ProFootballTalk concludes their analysis of the Skins draft needs with this eye-opener:
"The Redskins also would be wise to add a developmental quarterback, in the event that they conclude that Jason Campbell isn't the long-term answer at the position. (Our guess is that they already have.)"


Posted by: cload and daggar | March 23, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

After reading Arch Deluxe's statements, why does the following flash through my tequila-addled mind?

"Coverage? C'mon, it's just coverage.... I mean, it's not like being up at the line, it's just coverage. You know? Just coverage... I mean, coverage? C'mon. Coverage?

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 23, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

cload, that's not that shocking of a statement. they're just reading al saunders lips. either he's a bad lier or can't hide his true feelings.

i know it's easy for us skins fans to ignore the white elepant in the room. but the facts are facts. skins have TWO offensive coordinators, both of whom like to call plays. and they both have egos the size of...and THAT is the least of their problems.

is it just me or the skins personnel department has actually gotten worse with gibbs?

at least skins always had our lovable draft picks! eventhough we didn't have good people chosing...but there was always that hope that even a blind squirl...

and not to forget that al saunders didn't pick jason. just like joe gibbs didn't pick ramsey.

and another fact not to be dismissed as just "loyalty" is that no player EVER not ONE ever blamed mark brunell. and they weren't all that happy to have jason in there.

i saw what i saw and we all have opinions. unfortunately.

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

this BS that la conteras post' is supposed to be inside info. not a place for discussing babies, and ugly ones at that, and other nonon-sense.... hehe....
Posted by: nonon | March 23, 2007 07:21 PM

That last part, "hehe..." is proof to me that nonon is Boofer/Fake Boofer.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know what the H-E-Double Hockey sticks is happening to Les Boullez???

Golden state can't Friggin miss right now.

Posted by: etrod | March 24, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Hey J-La - best of luck with the new arrival and time off. I'd say have a restful time but well not much of that. Take care of Lauren and Chloe and NBTBNL whom I'm sure we'll put our collective IQ of 4 together and come up with a fantastic nickname. : )

Needless to say we'll all be here when you get back and defending your honor. I imagine we'll be deep into disucssing the thread count in the uniforms by the time draft day rolls around.

Hey if you hear anymore from our guy in Afghanistan that'd be an excellent post.

God bless and good luck and see ya in April.

Posted by: sfskin | March 24, 2007 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I have 5 out of Elite 8 teams right and yet my bracket is still in tatters.

I'm in tatters ah shadooweh I'm in shatters. . . .

As may be clear from the fact that I'm posting at this hour on a Friday night I do not in fact have a hot date.

Posted by: sfskin | March 24, 2007 1:03 AM | Report abuse

jm220, I thought the XXL 'Smack' tee was too small for you? Picturing you busting out of it like green Lou Ferrigno in Bill Bixby's shirt, and all the people in your office just getting the hell out of your way.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 24, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, sfskin, Bucktown has 7 of the Elite 8 teams. That is ridiculous.

Obviously he's taken advantage of the Commissioner's Override feature, which allows him to make real-time and retroactive adjustments to his picks as the tournament progresses. I applaud his uncanny ability to make it look good by leaving some of his wrong picks intact.

Wait, we don't have money on this, do we?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 24, 2007 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Okay here is some comedic genius, regardless of personal pov.

Posted by: sfskin | March 24, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh, idea. When JLaC is back at the park, he should give Reaper one of the shirts, and see what he thinks of it. Of course, Reaper would have to talk to him...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 23, 2007 10:36 PM

Might not be a good idea if ST didn't give permission to use his image. If the Taylor, his lawyer or agent finds out someone's selling t-shirts with his image without him getting a cut someone's going to get hit with a cease and desist letter. I bought mine before they get Ron Mexico'd.

BTW great work on the designs. What happened to the shabingus polos?

Posted by: LH | March 24, 2007 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Nate - there was discussion of the garden gnome as prize but never heard anymore.

I think there should be some kind of glory for worst bracket if person who filled out full bracket.

Bucktown went with instincts on top seeds while people like me went with stupid sentimentality of hometown teams. G-town may still pull it out though.

Posted by: sfskin | March 24, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

LH - I was wondering about the image issue and permission. Seems like in this age of everyone and their mom on the internet it wouldn't matter but still.

Posted by: sfskin | March 24, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Actually, for the record, that is not Sean Taylor on the shirts, it is Sean Cassidy after a really, really long night.

Posted by: SMACK | March 24, 2007 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Bucktown (designer of this batch of awesome shirts) and I had a conversation about this off-blog... neither of us has any idea about the rights and marks and so forth, but we're both under the impression that he artistically modified the images involved, thereby creating new images which are themselves his (Bucktown's) to publish as he sees fit. Or something.

Bear in mind that nobody is profiting one iota from these tee shirts. I added a $2.50 charge above the cost (which entirely goes to cafepress), and every penny of those $2.50 charges is going to Hurricane Katrina relief via Scott and jm220. I mention that because only an especially stupid, cruel or vindictive person would want such an enterprise to be shut down... and since we haven't done anything to infringe on the Daniel, I think we're okay.

LH, the original Shabingus polo is still there. Did you mean a new one? The only new designs added so far are the ones from Bucktown.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 24, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Les Boulez sont kaput.

You cannot repeat CANNOT come out here and lose in Portland and then lose in Oakland and expect to be taken seriously.

With that said, I will be taking them in the pool to advance at least to the Final Four, because I've got homer fever.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 24, 2007 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I was referring to the original stuff. It was with the new designs.

Re the Reaper's image: right of publicity laws prohibit the unauthorized commercial use of the name, likeness, or other recognizable aspects of someone's persona. They give an individual the exclusive right to license the use of their identity for commercial promotion. That's clearly a picture of The Reaper. In VA, any person whose name, portrait, or picture is used without having first obtained the written consent of such person, or if dead, of the surviving consort and if none, of the next of kin, or if a minor, the written consent of his or her parent or guardian, for advertising purposes or for the purposes of trade, such persons may maintain a suit in equity against the person, firm, or corporation so using such person's name, portrait, or picture to prevent and restrain the use thereof; and may also sue and recover damages for any injuries sustained by reason of such use. If the use is found to have been done knowingly, a jury can award exemplary (punitive) damages. There is no exception for good intentions.
It's the Reaper's image and under the law he is the only one who gets to "profit" from it. I'm not trying to throw a monkey wrench in this thing but I thought someone should at least know.

Posted by: LH | March 24, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

shabingus polo WASN'T with the new designs.

Posted by: LH | March 24, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

NATE, anywhere you could do sweatshirts? skins used to have this sweatshirt with just the word "Washington" but they have it anymore. if you could do that, that'd be cool. i'll buy one. "Washington" in "burgandy and gold" lettering on a hoodles sweatshirt. i'll buy a couple.

yes, good designs on the shabingus and others. one else has ucla and memphis advancing together right?

Posted by: DEALER | March 24, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

lh is right. legally you can't do that. and if you asked his agent he would say "no". because he probly gets these requests like crazy and they probly have a policy to say "no" to these kinda requests cuz there's nothing in it for them to waste their precious time to figure out if the requests are legitimate or not.

but keep it up till you get cease and desist order. no harm being done there. except if you are a money swindling, coniving bastard and are hoarding all the money. then i'd run.

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

dealer -- while I'm not #17's fanboi #1, and I didn't rush out to buy his jersey, and I've pointed out some of the issues that make you wonder about exactly how successful he will be, it's not like Joe has wavered in his decision. Where did Al say that JC coudln't get it done?
The team has done nothing to address QB if they think it's a problem. For example, cutting Collins, who apparently wants a chance to be the number 2 QB somewhere (when was the last time you heard that????).
What they did with Brunell was pretty savvy, they can cut him in june if he's not firmly the second best QB on staff... but they haven't done anything to replace him.
They can't get Jamarcus Russell, and I don't see how Joe would think that Brady Quinn is the answer if Ramsey wasn't.
So -- to paraphrase the SecDef -- you play with the QB you have, not the QB you'd like to have. Suck it up, Al, we're goin' to the Super Bowl!

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 24, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

cload, only time will tell. looks like they're trying to recreate the 2005 defense.

also whomever said something about ugly babies...i've done studies on this phenomenon. and have conducted clinical trials with my passengers. and i've seen a trend and it is as follows:

people who call babies "ugly" either
a. don't have babies of their own or are babies themselves.
b. are ugly themselves or have ugly babies of their own and are always comparing...
c. don't have any self-esteem (and i feel really bad for you if this is the case cuz if you don't seek immediate professional help you could ruin your life and others)

if "b" is the case then it's okay you're just projecting what the world is and has projected towards you or your babies the whole time. that's why you hardly ever see a nice ugly person.

if "a" is the case. you'll grow out of it. and i hope you have your own babies one day and look at this and say "hmmmmmm that dealer dude knew what he was talking about. i wonder if he was a shrink driving a cab..."

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

that jammarcus russel dude looks really good. and i'm not saying that after watching him on nfl network (i don't have it)...i'm just saying it because of what he did in that one game. he's amazing. my only hope is that he's better than mcnaab. (no, i'm not comparing him to mcnaab cuz he's black but because i only saw mcnaab play in one game in his college career and he was awesome in that one bowl game...)

he's cool dude too...seems like...

ohh and this matt schaub thing...i don't know. but i don't think he's that much better than david carr. again kudos to jim mckay, a GM, A REAL GM, for not ruining schaub's trade value over the years.

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I just got my official invitation to attend the Draft Day Party. Suprise suprise, Free Admision and Free parking.

Posted by: Throwback | March 24, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Yikes... didn't realize the image use was an issue. Well I have one more (a Johnny White Guy) design, but I won't make anymore after that I guess. Only AMTTS, Gov and jm220 quotes from here on out... HA!

I fully maintain that there is no profit involved, nor is there any expected. I made these for Skins fans and the charity(ies) that they will help. Nate and/or I will definitely take them down if there is an issue.

LH, thanks for the head's up. I think Jason should tell them about it, if he can tell them the whole story. I'd rather get them validated than sit around waiting for the... uh... sorry jm... hammer to drop.

sfskin, that MadTV sketch is priceless. Very funny.

Nate, the worst part about my bracket is that I have the exact same one in a money pool. Looks good right? No. If it goes my way, I will lose by one point. I have the exact same remaining bracket as another person, and she is one point ahead of me.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 24, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The images and designs are all original (made by me). That's what Nate was trying to say in his last post.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 24, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

And dammit, now that we're having this conversation up here about the Reaper shirts we have crossed the threshold from ignorant to informed.

Bucktown, sounds like we should pull those particular shirts down.

LH, I still don't see what you mean about the Shabingus polo/golf shirt. When I pull up the store, I see it there, labeled as 'Shabingus golf shirt', in white with burgundy text. I'm vexed as to why you aren't seeing it. Maybe it's breaking into multiple pages for you?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 24, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I was thinking about the Andy Warhol works where he modified photographs (Elvis, Marilyn) and thereby created his own art. But I am not an attorney, so citing that meager precedent is only as far as I can go with this.

And for what it's worth, the laws of the state of VA don't really seem to pertain here because of A) the magic of the internets and B) neither Buck nor I am located in VA. But now I just sound like an idiot who wants to get sued.

Again, now that we've had a somewhat informed legal discussion of this, we can't act like babes in the woods. If the general consensus up here is that we're crossing into legally or ethically dubious territory, we'll pull them down.

dealer, we'll definitely have another round of designs coming, and I'll follow up on your sweatshirt idea and a passel of other suggestions received.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 24, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad... check out my Johnny White Guy designs:

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 24, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

No question folks we inded need a GM.

However we do not want to turn back the clock and hire Bobby Beathard. Seems we have forgotten Bobby is now 20 years older and he and Coach Joe had a falling out and that was why he departed in the first place.

I loved some of his draft picks of unheralded players that gave us victories:
Ravin Caldwell, Monte Coleman, Mark Rypien, Raleigh McKenzie, Darryl Grant, Clint Didier all drafted I believe in rounds 5 and higher.

But as someone said earlier: he did not walk on water: look at some players drafted in rounds one and two [if memory serves] that gave us squat!
Bob Slater, Richard Williams, Wally Klein, Walter Murray, Racy Rocker was an Outland Winner I believe from Auburn BB drafted him and he never did anything for us.

So, it is not a perfect science folks.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Nate. I found it after I posted.

Posted by: LH | March 24, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Same can be said for Charley Casserly, you know?
He did so great for us in the first years and then the bottom fell out; but he has had some great selections and then some big names he drafted that did nothing.

Good choices by CC:
Ricky Ervins
Keenan McCardell [Coaching staff cut him]
Andre Collins
Brian Mitchell
Frank Wycheck [Coaching staff cut him and he had some good years]
Tre Johnson
Corey Raymer
Rich Owens
Steven Davis
Kenard Lang
Derek Smith
Stephen Alexander
Shawn Barber
Champ Bailey
John Jansen

someone help me, was CC still here when we drafted LaVar and Samuels in 2000? When did DS fire CC?

Then there were some terrible picks by CC:
Heath Shuler
Andre Johnson
Michael Westbrook [no, that was a good pick, he had lots of talent, but after his first season, he cracked up and never developed.
Desmond Howard
Shane Collins

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Talk about former drafts has gotten me to thinking ....
I am researching actual drafts, and look what I am finding.

Modern History Best Redskin Draft?
How about 1981? WOW!!

1. Mark May, T, Pittsburgh
3. Russ Grimm, G, Pittsburgh
4. Tom Flick, QB, Washington
5. Dexter Manley, DE, Oklahoma St.
6. Larry Kubin, LB, Penn St.
8. Charlie Brown, WR, South Carolina St.
9. Darryl Grant, G, Rice
10. Phil Kessel, QB, Northern Michigan
10. Allan Kennedy, T, Washington St.
11. Jerry Hill, WR, Northern Alabama
12. Clint Didier, WR, Portland St.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Nate/Bucktown if you are going to pull the Reaper shirts let me know now. So I can at least get mines before the are gone. lol Damn you legal person. I am going to come look for you.

Posted by: jm220 | March 24, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

How about worst drafts in Redskin history?

BB's in 1982 didn't produce any long-time starter.

2. Vernon Dean, CB, San Diego St. started one year
3. Carl Powell, WR, Jackson St.
4. Todd Liebenstein, DE, UNLV on roster but big disappointment
5. Michael Williams, TE, Alabama A&M
6. Lamont Jeffers, LB, Tennessee
7. John Schactner, LB, Northern Arizona
8. Ralph Warthen, DT., G. Webb
9. Ken Coffey, DB, S.W. Texas St. [played for a couple years]
9. Randy Trautman, DT, Boise St.
10. Harold Smith, DE, Kentucky St.
10. Terry Daniels, DB, Tennessee
11. Dan Miller, K, Miami
11. Bob Holly, QB, Princeton
12. Dan Laster, T, Tennessee St.
12. Jeff Goff, LB, Arkansas

1989 produced ONE guy that ever did ANYTHING for the Skins.

3. Tracy Rocker, DT, Auburn
4. Erik Affholter, WR, USC
5. Tim Smiley, DB, Arkansas St.
5. Lybrant Robinson, DE, Delaware St.
6. Al Johnson, DB, S.W. Texas St.
7. Kevin Hendrix, LB, South Carolina
9. Charles Darrington, TE, Kentucky
10. Mark Schlereth, C, Idaho
12. Jimmy Johnson, TE, Howard
12. Joe Mickles, RB, Mississippi

A great career by Stephen Davis is the only player to ever produce even minimally from this draft.

1. Andre Johnson, T, Penn State
4. Stephen Davis, RB, Auburn
5. Leomont Evans, S, Clemson
6. Kelvin Kinney, DE, Virginia St.
7. Jeremy Asher, LB, Oregon
7. Deandre Maxwell, WR, San Diego St.

This draft frustrates me so!
We had two number ones, and traded them both to Cincy [was it?] so we could draft Desmond, who could never get open for us.
Look at that list folks, none ever produced in burgendy and gold.

1. Desmond Howard, WR, Michigan
2. Shane Collins, DE, Arizona St.
3. Paul Siever, G, Penn St.
4. Chris Hakel, QB, William & Mary
6. Ray Rowe, TE, San Diego St.
7. Calvin Holmes, DB, USC
8. Darryl Moore, G, UTEP
9. Boone Powell, LB, Texas
10. Tony Barker, LB, Rice
11. Terry Smith, WR, Penn St.
12. Matt Elliott, C, Michigan

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

As I said before in the original shirts Nate and I put up, we avoided any use of the word Redskins - and there were no images and Skins players' names. Hence, Hardcore Insider, shabingus, jm220, etc.
Cindy said that there shouldn't be any problems with putting up the RI blog site address, so we did it. Personally, I would just avoid putting up the word Redskins on the shirts (gotta be creative boys!) and everything should be fine.

I'm not sure what happened to the garden gnome but I'll try to find out.

Posted by: charlie | March 24, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Nate I only cited the law of VA as an example of what right of/to publicity law is and it's where the 'Skins are based. You raise a good point about Warhol but I think there is a distinction. When a celebrity is the subject of a work of art which is not an original single work of art, courts weigh the celebrity's publicity rights against the artist's right to commercially produce his art. The artist trumps the celebrity only when the work is "sufficiently transformative," i.e., "when an artist's skill and talent is manifestly subordinated to the overall goal of creating a conventional portrait of a celebrity so as to commercially exploit [the celebrity's] fame, then the artist's right of free expression is outweighed by the right of publicity." In Warhol's case, his work and not Marilyn's or Elvis's images are arguably what sold the art. He wasn't gaining anything from their celebrity.

Posted by: LH | March 24, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Back to football - what's the word on Carr? I wouldn't mind seeing him as no. 2 here.

Posted by: LH | March 24, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Since our last GM's were BB and CC, are there any good GM candidates out there with the initials DD?

Posted by: charlie | March 24, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

LH if they pull the shirts before I order mines. You will get the hammer my friend. lol

Posted by: jm220 | March 24, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse


Some might say Dudley Do-Right has been our GM for about five years or so now.

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | March 24, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Better to be safe than sorry on the shirts fellas - I'd pull them down. Maybe you can modify them so it's just an outline of the head and put some text where the face would be. Anyone who buys the shirts is from here anyway and will know who it is and everyone else will just think you have a cool shirt. Not sure if that gets around the "likeness" clause but I bet it does.

Does anyone else think the Schaub trade was totally bizarre? I can't believe they think he is that good. I may be wrong but I don't remember anything special about his play. As for Carr well maybe Oakland will go after him.

Posted by: sfskin | March 24, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

In the few games that Schaub has played in, he has shown flashes of brilliance. The only reason that he didn't continue playing is that Vick returned from injury and became the starter again.

Posted by: charlie | March 24, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

lets hope the skins take their time/ before signing any one else please

Posted by: gjelly | March 24, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Good job, Redskins Ray. Thanks for posting the draft results.

Since everyone thinks Scott Pioli walks on water, it may be interesting to check out the Patriots drafts as well. No idea what you'd find, but I'm too lazy to search the Internets for it :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | March 24, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I can be your next GM.

Posted by: Dirk Diggler | March 24, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

dealer, where do you get the idea that Saunders does not like Campbell? I have not heard or seen any evidence of that.

Etrod: The Golden State Warriors are darn good. Can't imagine why their record is not better than it is. When they played the Wiz here in DC they were shooting lights out - could not miss. Of course, it could be that our defense is just so non-existent.

Posted by: Lisa | March 24, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hi sfskin,

The Schaub trade is weird, if only because the Texans offensive line has always been suspect. If the blocking isn't any better this year, Schaub is going to have the same problems as Carr had. (Think Patrick Ramsey wearing different colors.)

Schaub came out of that great NFL-playmaker development school known as U VA, so it is probably safe to assume he is fairly intelligent, if nothing else. On the other hand, signing with the Texans doesn't seem all that intelligent (except for the money, perhaps), so the jury is still out. In any case, U VA has had a very specific pro-style offensive system under Coach Groh (not unlike Tulane) and the word is that Schaub isn't all that mobile, so Schaub in Houston may indeed be Patrick Ramsey-Part Deux. (I also suspect that Kubiak is Spurrier, Jr. in many ways.)

In the end, it seems to me that the Texans would have been better served by using their (traded) draft picks to bolster their offensive line (either by drafting or trading for starters), hiring an O-Line coach like Buges or Grimm to get them all on the same page, and then keeping Carr. That they chose otherwise seems to indicate that Carr did something to piss off Gen. Kubiak. The Texans' action may also have been an attempt to quiet the fans after last year's Bush/Young/Williams draft shabingus. (Kool-Aid, anyone?)

It seems like Carr could end up in a number of different places. Chicago could use him, planning for the day when Grossman alienates everyone including Lovie. The Vikings could use him, but former All-World player and multiple-Super Bowl winner Brad Childress has indicated that, at least to his way of thinking, Carr does not have all the throws necessary to be the QB of the Vikings. Miami seems like they are going to sign a starting QB, so Carr may be of interest there if they cannot come to terms with Trent Green. Oakland doesn't have a starting QB and the jury is still out there as to who they will draft (Russell or Johnson or Quinn). Seattle could use a better back-up than they have currently. Detroit (Kitna is old), Cleveland (Frye-d?), Baltimore (Boller is history), Giants (LBM retires and establishes the International Squash League?), Chiefs (Damon Huard? please . . .) - lots of teams have a need for a guy who has established himself as a 60% passer without benefit of blocking. I think the biggest issue is which team has sufficient cap room to carry two starting QBs, at least for a year or two.

I don't see Carr coming to DC, however. The cap space issue is always a problem, Campbell doesn't need to be looking over his shoulder, and regardless of what says, the Redskins backup QB situation seems to be set at this point. Brunell is in a "prove-it" situation to be #2, Collins is praying he doesn't get tossed out into a swollen market of backup QBs, and Bramlet is scorching the earth out in NFL Europa.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

An interesting sidebar to the topic of Bobby Beathard:

Published: May 5, 1989

Bobby Beathard, the Washington Redskins' general manager, will not return to the team after his contract expires next month, according to a report in today's Washington Post.

The newspaper, quoting unnamed sources, said Beathard planned to resign over a difference in philosophy with Coach Joe Gibbs. The Redskins have called a news conference for today at which Beathard was expected to make the announcement.

The Post reported that there had been increasing frustration for Beathard, who had disagreements with Gibbs on personnel matters. The Redskins could not be reached for comment.

Beathard, 52, came to Washington in 1978. He helped the Redskins reach three Super Bowls by trading away high draft picks for proven veterans and plucking talented players out of the draft in the later rounds.(AP)

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This looks interesting - has anyone read it yet?

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, Ocho-Ocho.
Perhaps I will check into it...

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Ocho-Ocho that is what I recalled regarding Beathard and Gibbs.
Now, let's not overstate it, I am sure that working so closely together day after day it is amazing they could be together for those 9 years anyway.

I recall first hearing of this during the 86 season. BB let it be known he had been upset that Coach JG had cut a few of the guys he had drafted.

But in fairness to JG, BB conveniently did not discuss the players he had drafted that had turned out to be dogs [laughter].

I do vividly recall Mr. Cooke once explaining the arrangment they had at Redskin Park. BB was free to draft, and Coach JG was free to keep or cut whom he wanted.

I am sure it was natural that at times JG was upset BB didn't draft whom he wanted.
And likewise BB was upset at times when JG cut whom BB had drafted.

Needless to say, the set up by Mr. Cook resulted in tense moments between the three of them, but it also allowed each man to do his job, and to work hard.

Seems to me it worked quite well, and I don't think BB should have departed as early as he did after those 9 years. Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

hey P Diddy,
Oh, I could look it up, and I'd recall which Patriots have made it big. However the Skins are the only team I KNOW well enough to say, which players provided good depth, were long time starters, quality players etc.

I have lived this stuff since I was a kid...
I am a huge Skins fan thus seeing my name is Ray, I adopted "Redskin Ray" for this blog.

Hail to the Redskins!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper for GM.

Posted by: Throwback | March 24, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Since our last GM's were BB and CC, are there any good GM candidates out there with the initials DD?

Dan Dierdorf

Derrick Dockery

Posted by: skinfanman | March 24, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and another thing....
let's not forget how JG was brought to the skins in the first place.

BB actually recommended JG to JKC so, perhaps there was always a feeling that JG owed BB a bit too much. Things like this can happen in relationships. But from the beginning the arrangement was clearly that BB had rights in drafting, and JG was the one to determine who stayed and who was cut.

I for one would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during some of those personnel meetings which got rather hot.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Throwback,
Hilarious idea Kiper for GM

But of course we all know it's easier to have a career telling people how great these college kids are on draft day, rather than actually have to draft them for your own team.

DD Lewis for GM? No, he was a former Cowboy!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the whereabouts of Ken Beatrice?

Posted by: Throwback | March 24, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ever know of anything that was publicly stated by Frank Herzog after he was sadly cut loose from SJ and SH trio?

What is Frank Herzog doing these days?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The last I heard was that Herzog did a radio post game show after regular post game show on 980 AM. That was a couple of years ago. Liked him much better than Larry Michaels.

Posted by: Throwback | March 24, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Based on the above reprint article and other things I've read previously, it seems that the 1985 or 1986 draft was really the last draft that had the true Beathard stamp on it. It is interesting to note that the general overall quality of the drafts appear to have diminished rapidly after Gibbs began muscling his way into personnel matters.

At some point in the process, there has to be a generalized meeting of the minds between a G.M and a Head Coach. It is safe to assume they are not going to agree on every individual pick. However, day-to-day cooperation and general agreement on what the team's needs may be at any given point are imperative. When one starts believing he can do the other's job better, there is bound to be conflict. History seems to stand on Beathard's side, as it was (apparently) his personnel efforts that built the 1980s Redskins; the 1983 team was a dominating force that was nearly unstoppable until it self-destructed in the Super Bowl against the Raiders (a coaching issue).

There is another issue involved in evaluating drafts. A fast-rising or already-successful team is going to very have few spots available for new players. The 1982 draft (above) is a good example. Joe Theismann was getting old but not "done", so they drafted a QB late for developmental purposes. (Holly was around as a backup for a couple of years.) Others were as follows:

2. Vernon Dean, CB - lost his job to Darrell Green the following year

3. Carl Powell, WR - couldn't beat out Art Monk, Charley Brown, and a band of Smurfs.

4. Todd Liebenstein, DE - played behind Manley and Mann

5. Michael Williams, TE - couldn't beat out Doc Walker and Donny Warren

Even 25 years ago, draft picks below round #5 were not much more than training camp fodder. The occasional gem was found, but it didn't happen very often.

Finally, one has to remember that in the "old days", players couldn't be drafted until their college eligibility had ended. A talented junior could not declare early if the upcoming draft was considered "weak". The end result was that there were some really good draft years and some really bad draft years. If the positions your team needed to fill were talent-short in a given year, the correct answer usually was "take the best player available", whether your team needed someone at that position or not. In a "weak draft" year, a bad team might find a few gems while a good team might only have one rookie left after training camp.

Given all we know, I believe that the best solution would have been to bring back both Gibbs and Beathard three years ago, egos notwithstanding. Beathard initially built the team in the early 80s that Gibbs coached to victory. When that team got old in the early 90s, the team that Gibbs and Casserly began building together after 1988 came up woefully short beginning in 1992. Advantage: Beathard. But that is the past; Beathard is not the future.

The future solution is somewhat trickier. The ideal situation would be to fire Vinny and hire a solid young Personnel/Player Development guy after the draft. Let the new guy quietly do all the in-season G.M. work for Gibbs in 2007, and then promote him to G.M. and hand him the reins for the 2008 draft when Gibbs is entering his lame-duck year. The G.M. can begin building for the Gibbs-less future, and Coach Joe can leave after the 2008 season. Regardless of that season's results, Gibbs will always be a hero to most fans in Washington. And Gibbs can always point to the positive direction of the new G.M. and assure the fans he has left the Redskins in excellent shape for the future.

And the Redskins and their fans lived happily ever after . . .

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Ray,

Your recollection of how BB, JG, and the Squire worked together is the same as mine. The Squire left BB and JG alone to resolve their differences. If they could not come to agreement, then the Squire listened to both sides and made the decision. I also remember that JG wanted Desmond Howard badly, and that is why we drafted. But, my memory could be wrong on that.


Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 24, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If Mel Kiper was so gifted, he would have already been hired somewhere as a G.M. It's easy to make bad picks when your job doesn't depend on it.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse


Good analysis!! Has there ever been a succesful coach who was also succesful as GM? I cannot think of any.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 24, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Beathard left in 1989. Gibbs was on his own for the Desmond Howard disaster. Casserly was the 1992 version of rubber-stamp Vinny.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh in SanFran?

Jimmy Johnson in Dallas?

Some people will say Parcells, but I think he had a G.M. with the Giants?

I don't follow other teams closely enough to remember who had G.M.s with their successful coaches.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho you state CC was the 92 version of Vinny.

I realize it "could" be true.
However, my comments regarding the BB /JG relationship was based upon released statements and admissions by all three parties involved JKC, BB, JG.

I don't recall reading of such regarding JKC, CC, JG. That does not necessarily result in your theory of CC being a Vinny being clear. Yet, I am more than willing to admit, you may be on to something.

Folks, help us here: is it possible that since JKC loved JG so much ["My dear Joe"] that when he hired CC, he did not give him the same authority as he gave BB?

I want to be careful to not slander JG's reputation, because he has more than enough shown himself to be a man fighting hard to be an upright man.


Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

If Allen Branch is on the Redskins' radar, it must be the world's best-kept secret:

"Bensinger: How have your meetings been with teams?

Branch: I've only had one and it was fine. I met with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' GM Bruce Allen. I thought that was a good meeting."

Here is the link for the rest of the interview:

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray:

My conjecture regarding Charlie Casserly is based on the fact that he was strictly a long-term personnel guy for the Redskins; he was hired back in the George Allen days and gradually worked his way up. There is no chance Casserly ever had the same authority as Beathard when Gibbs was still around. In fact, my best guess as to why Beathard left in 1989 was because he no longer had the same personnel authority as he did in earlier years. It appeared to me that Gibbs pulled a "palace coup" in 1988 (or possibly earlier, since Gibbs acquired Doug Williams while Beathard drafted Shroeder) to usurp Beathard's veto power; Cooke apparently agreed, and then Beathard left when his contract expired in 1989. Charlie Casserly moved up from the Asst. G.M. position to replace Beathard.

Casserly's work and successes over many years in the scouting and personnel departments indicated he was qualified to become a G.M. But Gibbs was a two-time Super Bowl champion Head Coach. Casserly had not yet built his first team as a G.M. Who do you think won those arguments? Promoting Casserly from within rather than hiring another strong GM from the outside is a clear indicator that Mr. Cooke had adapted a new formula for success - one in which the G.M.s job was to provide the team with the players that Gibbs wanted.

The 1991 Super Bowl team was vindication for Gibbs. He could build a team and coach it to success. There was seemingly nothing left for him to prove. There was only a legacy to be tarnished if he remained. Casserly could have (by then) helped him to avoid that fate, but Gibbs was burned out, so he "retired".

I believe the balance of power between the GM and HC was restored by Mr. Cooke after Gibbs left, with Casserly finding players and the job of coaching left to the coaches. It just didn't work too well with Norv as HC.

I think Casserly is a pretty good guy who learned well under Beathard, but got shafted by Snyder and then again by the clowns in Houston. But I don't think he is the answer in the future for the Redskins either. Times change and the NFL is a new world in which most of the old school guys are having trouble adapting.

Now who has the number of that Bobby DePaul guy in Chicago?

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 24, 2007 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Dom Deloise

Dan Daniels

David Duke

Posted by: skinfanman | March 24, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse


I would beg to differ with you on Casserly. He did not adapt to free agency at all. I don't think he ever drafted well either.

If your assumption about the GM/HC relationship during the Gibbs I era is correct (and I think it is) then most of the solid players on the 90's team were drafted by Gibbs.

The only draft people want to remember about Casserly was 99 when Ditka offered him the Saints 'entire draft to take Ricky Williams. What was he going to do, say 'No'?

Posted by: etrod | March 24, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Herzog occasionally does news on WTOP radio, too, these days.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Ocho Ocho, what time zone are you in? Or do you work nights?

I've been thinking the same thing about how to insert a person who does the GM job into the Skins structure -- without the guy having the title of GM. The answer is to wait a few years, i.e., as Gibbs prepares to leave. The first step is to get the guy in house. The best time to do it is AFTER the draft. Hasta lu, Vinny.

Old School's guy, Bobby DePaul, of Chicago is my choice. Among other things, he has the right initials -- DD -- you might not notice the silent "d" at the beginning of his first name. In addition to being silent, its also invisible.

Posted by: dcsween | March 24, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

So is this silent, invisible D the reason that 'this blog stinks'?

Have you heard the one about the fifteen animals every woman has?

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 24, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

do tell

Posted by: Anonymous | March 24, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

lisa, i see all the red flags with JC and weird al. spurrier and ramsey. it started the same exact way. you don't even have to read between the lines with weird al. he's telling you how f'ed up jc's mechanics and has not said a single good thing about jc's ability to lead a team to be an NFL QB.

but lisa, back to more important stuff. i never thought patrick dempsey was good looking until i saw him standing next to "meredith grey".

i love all the characters on that show except for her's. just finished watching the first season.

i'll see if i can find time to do a sweatshirt...

sfskin, schaub isn't all that good. but atlanta made everyone think he was bret favre or tom brady. remember everyone thought ramsey was a good qb as well before gibbs came here. skins should've done what lanta did but since gibbs doesn't believe in acquiring cheap talent or making good deals they ended up receiving a 7th rounder...

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

did anyone else see duke and rutger's game (women's)? i feel so bad for that girl. i hate duke and all and they were going to lose anyway and this girl just created her own demise by making a steal and then missing both free throws. WoW!!! that's rough. even for a dukie!

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, CC got his start during the G Allen years. And yes, he probably naturally never had the respect and authority which BB had.

I caution you however regarding a bit of reductionism. You over simplify in making the case for the issue w/ BB being over Doug Williams.

BB brought Doug Williams to the Skins. We mustn't overlook the historical setting. The USFL folded, and many players from the USFL were brought to teams. The Skins brought in youg receivers like Gary Clark, and Ricky Sanders, and also signed Doug Williams for depth. JCK was behind this 100%.

Williams was not even the starter; JG had no reason to bench Schroeder following his fine 86 season. So he was indeed the 87 starter but had his shoulder separated. JG then went w/ Doug Williams, who folks forget was not that impressive actually.

Thus, when Schroeder was healthy, he again was inserted as the starter, proving JG clearly only had in mind DW as his backup. Schroeder however was quite rusty, ineffective and JG yanked him after a few subpar performances. This was when Jay became upset and lost confidence.

In the Playoffs DW again was not impressive, but they did enough to squeak by the Vikings in a defensive struggle to make it to the SB XXII. Then the HOGS, Timmy Smith, and DW had their big game destroying Denver.

In the 88 training camp, Schroeder pouted because he was not the starter, and it was here that JG realized he had to go. BB did a great job in bringing in Jim Lachey in that trade with Oakland. JG wanted Schroeder they knew DW did not have much time left, but he really pouted the entire training camp. DW then went down in early 88 Rypien was inexperiened and the Skins struggled to a 7-9 finish in 88. But that is another story for another day...

Enjoying dialog with you, friend.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

thanks ray! pretty cool stuff.

Posted by: dealer | March 24, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

dealer -- a sixth rounder for Ramsey; give credit where credit is due, in a league where the 2002 #1 QB just got an 8th rounder and a two-time pro-bowler is about to get a 7th.

My impression was always that they could smell the fear in Ramsey, see it in his eyes, and watch his painful dance as he got ready to throw. He started out as a pretty durable kid who needed to learn a fair amount to be effective. Maybe spurrier's fault, maybe he just didn't fit the Spurrier offense (I never confused him with Matthews or Waffle), but by the time he was introduced to Gibbs for the first time, he was the picture they put in the dictionary next to 'indecisive'.

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 24, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray, on America's Game, Doug Williams said that Gibbs called and asked him to come to Washington. Maybe BB was behind it all though.

About Ramsey: I think he could have been (maybe still can be) a good QB. But being on the ground most of the time your first two years in the league would rattle anyone. Unfortunately, David Carr may suffer from the same fact, he was sacked a lot more than Ramsey.

Posted by: Lisa | March 24, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lisa,
Didn't see the show, I could be mistaken but my memory is JG was seeing if DW was willing to come in as the backup QB, be unselfish, accept his role, and be ready when called upon.

The 87 season of Schroeder starting then being placed right back in the line up when recovering from his injury does support this understanding.

Fair enough?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 24, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray, that's correct. Gibbs did not call Doug to come and be the starter....I just meant that it appeared in the show that it was Gibbs who wanted Williams (as a backup) - not BB. Of course, they did not even mention the GM in the show at all....guess thye did not think that was not relevant.

If you get a chance be sure to watch America's Game - it's fabulous.

Posted by: Lisa | March 25, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see that little shot at Art. He specializes in attempting to get under people's skin, and he is good at it. He has toned his act down considerably since ES was incorporated by the Redskins, but he is quite annoying. It is obvious that he has an inflated sense of himself, believing he is an intellectual. He doesn't win arguments actually, instead he wares the other down with extremely long-winded b.s. until they just don't want to hear it anymore.

Posted by: anonymous | March 25, 2007 2:52 AM | Report abuse

where is everyone?

Posted by: jm220 | March 25, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Watching and rooting for the Ducks... regardless of brackets.

A Georgetown v. Oregon final would be fun.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 25, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

someone must have diarrhea this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | March 25, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ray - love your breakdown of the QB situation in the 80s. That's how I remember it as well. DW was never a great QB just a good one who had shining moments of glory when needed. Plus the AFC was so crappy in the 80s like the NFC now that the real championships were in the divisional championships.
I remember Schraeder's pouty fest very well and then he went on to Oakland and proved that his success was so dependent on our o-line and running game.

I think Ramsery would have had a chance at being a good to great QB under a guy like Martz or even Holmgren. He had flashes of brilliance and amazing resiliency. The problem is Ramsey is far more a QB of the 80s than of today.

Now I'm curious to see what the Bears do regarding QB. Go afer Carr? Draft? I'm assuming Sexy got taken to the woodshed after the SB by Lovie and we'll see something a bit different come traning camp.

Posted by: sfskin | March 25, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hoya Saxa!!!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 25, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey SFSkin,
Yes, that to the best of my recollection [and I did follow the situation] is what transpired w/ DW and JS.

DW was not great, not a starter by design for JG, but he did have the great SB XXII and that is all that we Skin fans tend to remember or want to remember [laughter].

Hey, I loved the Tar Heels collapse!
Just loved it! Never rooted for the Heels during my time growing up in DC area, and not gonna start now...

Posted by: Ray | March 25, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Bucktown Skins Fan, P Diddy's Favorite Cheerleader (is that Diddy's bracket or someone else?) and Dorf -- I know you're taking a break from the blog, but congrats anyway -- for correctly picking the final four in the blog pool.

You each have different picks for the last three games, so the garden gnome is still up in the air. Nice work. And go Hoyas.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 25, 2007 11:46 PM | Report abuse

yeah, I was just looking at that... it was a ugly 1st two rounds my by final four prevailed... I want that garden gnome so bad!

Posted by: Dorf | March 26, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Kornheiser stays in the MNF booth and Theismann gets the boot. This is good news for people like me who are not big fans of Joey T on the teevee.

So somebody has to step in as the 'straight man' color commentator to Tony's cerebral clown... Jaworski would be awesome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Lions confirm subscription to dcsween amateur GM services, inc. -- and ink BOTH Mulitalo AND Piller in focus on O-line. More than before, I think the Lions will go for Joe Thomas, Wisconsin.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2007 7:06 AM | Report abuse

I thought they should have moved the old Sunday Night ESPN team to Mondays. I've always liked Mike Patrick. Joey T and Paul Mcguire are schmucks as individuals, but put them together and they're magic.

Last year's team was painful to listen to. Hope my low opinion of the Great Tony K. doesn't upset my WaPo blog-mates too much.

Posted by: etrod | March 26, 2007 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Redskin Ray -

Sorry for the late response - busy end of the week and weekend.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed on what the Al Wilson trade to the Skins might have included. That didn't sound like a bad deal until Wilson evidently failed his physical for the Giants. Now I'm glad the Skins didn't pull the trigger on it. We got lucky for once.

I hope that we can still trade down and get some more picks but I would hate to see Betts go in any trade like that because we need him around it Portis gets hurt and as a change of pace. If we can't trade down I'll be happy to see us keep the 6th and get one of the good D lineman.

To answer your question, I live in Mount Airy, NC (Mayberry - Andy Griffith's hometoen). It's NW of Winston-Salem near the VA line. The Panthers are my second team, but this was Redskin country long before the Panthers came around and the Skins will always be first for me and a lot of other folks down here.

Posted by: Greg in NC | March 26, 2007 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Here is what Clark Judge said about Ken Hamilin, the 'boys new safety.

"Judge: Recovered nicely after serious injury ended his 2005 season. Huge hitter. Terrific against the run. More of a box safety. Great size. Limited in coverage ability."

Sounds as if they weren't watching the Archibingus up here. Him, and Roy 'run past me' Williams ought to be at the end of a lot of big plays this year. May it be. What's up with a 3-4 and two LB-like safteys?

Posted by: bangkokben | March 26, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

For those who think that Peioli walks on water, take a good look at his body of work:
He spend a 2nd rounder on Bethel Johnson in 2001/2002 can't recall, who is now on his 4th or 5th team(Eagles)
Bethel Johnson was traded last summer to the Saints for Jonathan Sullivan. Bethel didn't make the Saints team out of training camp, and Sullivan didn't make the pats team out of training camp
He spent a 2nd rounder on Chad Jackson last year. He missed most of training camp with hamstring problems, was inactive for 4 games, and only contributed 13 catches, and tore his ACL putting his 2007 season in doubt.
He traded a 2nd and 7th round pick for Wes Welker, who has ONE career touchdown in 3 seasons, and was the LOWEST rated kick returner in the NFL last year.
He spent a 2nd round pick on Marquise Hill, defensive lineman, who has had a negligible impact on the team.
He spend a 1st and a third round pick on Daniel Graham, in 2001. He was such a valuble player, that when his contract was up in 2006, they didn't even offer him a new deal.
Sure they drafted Tom Brady, but he was their SECOND 6th round pick. If they were such astute drafters they'd have AT LEAST used their FIRST sixth round pick on him.

Posted by: Greg(Boston | March 26, 2007 8:23 AM | Report abuse

But Greg, it's not just a 6th round pick, it's the magical pick #199. Brady, Antoine Bethea last year, and our very own Archi-pick next month.
Hall of Fame, Babeeeee! Prime time player! Good on the boards and gets back on D! Whoops, wrong sport!

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 26, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Bangkokben, there should be a new nickname for the position that Arch and Hamlin play.

It's not safety because they can't cover. It's not linebacker because, well, they are a little smaller and are meant to augment the normal complement of linebackers.

It's like a hybrid position where you take a guy who can't do either job well and put him in between. In a 3-4, I would call this position the 'fifth wheel.' In the Skins' D, I would call this position 'unwelcome.'

Wait, how the hell does this work again? Doesn't this leave only three D backs on any given play, since the fifth wheel is so close to the line and unable to cover? Do the LBs with coverage skills compensate for the fifth wheel's lack of coverage skills by covering TEs and RBs out of the backfield?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"For the seventh consecutive season, the Redskins had the top attendance. Of course, FedEx Field seats 91,704, by far the biggest stadium in the NFL. Washington drew 708,952, followed by the New York Giants (628,925), Kansas City (624,171) and the New York Jets (618,563).

Washington also led the league in total attendance, home and away, for its 16 games with 1,232,200."

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Peter King sez one of the two prime-time games to start the '07 season will be Giants-Cowboys. Fan-freakin'-tastic, Romo vs. LBM, Bum's Boy vs. Sgt. Coughlin.

Hard to decide which team to root against more. At this point, it's a toss-up. Barring an unlikely rules change, both teams are unlikely to lose, so perhaps a scoreless tie would be the best (that is, most soul-crushing for the participants and their fans) outcome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I must admit, it's a bit shocking that Joey T. has been cut.

Interesting note on Joey T. that I was not aware of - maybe you all were: His last name was originally pronounced "Theesman". When he was in college his coach told him to change it to Theismann because it rhymed with Heisman and he thought that would help Joe win the award - to no avail.

Posted by: Lisa | March 26, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

hey dorks....get your heads out of your asses

Posted by: Big Ben | March 26, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, do you like Theismann doing color? Even though (like etrod) I sort of appreciated the chemistry he had with Paul Maguire after all those years, for the most part I thought Joe was a pompous blowhard.

I'm a big Kornheiser fan, but I'm a bit surprised TK is the one to survive the booth turnover. I guess ESPN knows that as far as entertainment/ratings (job one for MNF) TK has established cache and the potential to be the bigger draw, so they want to swap in a new guy and hope he has better chemistry with TK and Tirico.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Time to revisit the Crystal Ball, aka, the Jason Evaluation. As posted previously, Jason was rocking on predictions. From a blog post earlier in the offseason called "Crystal Ball," he forecast certain Skins moves, many of which have come to pass. The ones that he got right the last time I counted are bracketed in small caps. This update is in CAPS.

Cut Hall - CORRECT
Cut Patten - CORRECT
Cut Vincent - [correct]
Cut Fauria - [correct]
Don't re-sign Wright - [correct]
Don't re-sign Holdman - not yet
Can't re-sign Dockery - [correct]
Re-sign Jimoh - [correct]
Re-sign Pucillo - [correct]
Re-sign Fox - [correct]
Re-sign Posey - not yet
Long shot to re-sign Wade - CORRECT!
Springs gone by June - not yet
Re-structure Brunell - [correct]
Lloyd safe - not yet
Archuleta safe - INCORRECT (though this incorrect did not pass without commmentary by JLaC)
Pick up Fletcher - [correct]
No money for Clements - [correct]
Immediate call and pick up of Smoot - [correct]
Bly to fill void if Springs gone - not yet
No money for Kearney - [correct]
No money for Kelsay - [correct]
Add FA TE, maybe E. Johnson - not yet, but INCORRECT ON E. JOHNSON
Maybe Kyle Brady cheaply - INDETERMINABLE (and depends on def of cheap)
Trade #6 down to #18-#25 - not yet

Then, the following offseason week, in Crystal Ball, Redux, JLaC updated the forecast with:

Strahan stays w/Giants - not yet (NEW RUMOR IS THAT STRAHAN WILL SIT OUT CAMP)
Maybe trade for TE M. Pollard - INCORRECT
Renaldo cut unless restructuring - not yet

All of this shows astute observations by our man on the beat, J La C! Great work. Note that Lisa still has her fingers crossed on Springs (don't remember her feelings about Wynn).

Also, with some of the off-season moves by the teams picking #1 thru #5, I personally think the trade down prediction becomes harder to pull off, but we'll see whether anyone really wants Adams (and can't trade up to get Anderson), by maybe as late as the announcement of the second or third picks.

In other words, today I got nothin.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Nate, although I was not really fond of the Tirico, Kornheiser, and Theismann trio, it did surprise me that they cut Joe and stuck with Tony.

dcsween, I hope Wynn stays. One of the reasons that I have been so high on Springs (despite the fact that he is hot) is because he co-hosted two seasons of Monday Night Live on Comcast and I really liked him as a person. Last season, Wynn was the co-host. He came across as (in the words of Joe Gibbs) a "super great" guy who really loves his team and teammates.

Posted by: Lisa | March 26, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'd heard that too at some point growing up in Bethesda. I had always thought it was just a local rumor. Do you know it to be true? I'll check the ol internet . . .

Posted by: nyskinsfan | March 26, 2007 10:40 AM | Report abuse

DCSween -

The Reporter said it would be a long shot to resign Wade, and it was not. INCORRECT, not correct.

Vincent ASKED to be cut, the Redskins still wanted him.

Kelsey resigned before free agency started, so he was never a free agent.

Kyle Brady - Incorrect

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

In doing the count, I had to paraphrase. Here is what the Reporter predicted:

-> "They also want to keep Todd Wade, but know it is a long shot at best. From what I heard, Wade is intent on playing the free agent market and for good reason - the dude is huge, had a great game in his only start and is over his knee problems. Several Redskins were very impressed with him in practice all season, believing he could play RT in the league no problem, and I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get that chance."

>>> Extreme Skins, I'm guessing you must be the agent for Todd Wade given your understanding about what other teams were prepared to pay him versus what the Skins offered him. Further guessing you will nitpick on this point (given that it would surprise the Reporter if Wade didn't get the chance to play RT), I recant and change this to "not yet" to see if Wade gets a chance to play RT for the Skins, esp. b/c I think Jansen would make a fine pulling guard in Dockery's spot.

>>> Are you Art? Not sure how else you have inside knowledge that the Skins wanted Vincent.

-> "I would not rule them out making calls to Patrick Kearney and Chris Kelsay as well, but again, are probably not in position to land them."

>>> Kelsay re-signed before free agency started, thus the Skins were not in a position to land him.

-> "They need a competent pass catching compliment to Cooley, and while Kyle Brady doesn't fit the bill in that regard, he could at least fill Fauria's shoes cheaply."

>>> The terms of Kyle Brady's contract a undisclosed, so determining whether Brady could have replaced Fauria "cheaply" remains indeterminable.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

John Thompson has Georgetown in the Final Four, George Bush is in the White House with dismal approval ratings, Joe Gibbs is the head coach of the Redskins...
What year is it in DC?

Posted by: Diesel | March 26, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Hard to decide which team to root against more. At this point, it's a toss-up. Barring an unlikely rules change, both teams are unlikely to lose, so perhaps a scoreless tie would be the best (that is, most soul-crushing for the participants and their fans) outcome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 10:10 AM

Don't forsee any such rules change unfortunately so when in doubt ALWAYS root against the Cowboys more.

Posted by: skinswest | March 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Hey Greg in NC,
Mt. Airy huh?
Yes, I visited the city one day about 9 years ago seeing the sites, taking the tour.

Yep, big Andy Griffeth Show fan since my childhood days. Still watch it now, and guess what I have learned.

Even my Teenage son really likes the show, because he sees the values, the innocent humor, and has even commented to me about regarding certain good truths being taught by Andy to his son Opie. Showed me that sit-com TV today is so worthless and even a teenage son, saw the quality of Andy was much superior.

Hail to the Redskins...

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 26, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Diesel,
Great post about what year is it?
Post of the day, thus far.

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 26, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Redskin Ray...
I'm hoping the culture of winning in the DC area catches on with the Skins.
The Wizards and Hoyas are doing well, so maybe that will flow into the NFL season for us.

Posted by: Diesel | March 26, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

skinswest, aye, rooting against the silver star is the default setting. Versus the Jints, it's a close one, though.

Ray, Greg, any idea if Andy Griffith is a Skins fan? He hails from western NC of course, but his upbringing probably pre-dates the Redskins radio empire which spanned the South.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, the Wiz are choking! I hope the best for them, but this team has a first-round playoff exit written all over it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to nitpick, but the way the Reporter mentioned the Wade piece was it wasn't gonna happen. He included the 'Long Shot' part so he could recover, if it did happened. All you guys thought he was gonner because of that.

as for Kyle Brady, I believed he wanted to go to a recent winner like he did. I don't believe We (Skins) were high on his radar. Many lessons have been learned leauge wide for AA debacle.....

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Yes, the Wiz are strug-el-ing now. They will make the playoffs (and probably lose in the 1st round, like you said). But as for the Skins, all of us would trade a 5-11 season for a one and done playoff year.

Posted by: Diesel | March 26, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Not trying to nitpick, but the way the Reporter......

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 11:31 AM

Not trying to nitpick "Art", but up here, we call the Reporter "JLC", or "JLaC", or even "LaToucanfora"

Posted by: 4-12 | March 26, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to make a retraction from earlier posts wondering WTF the skins were doing not taking Denver's offer of Al Wilson and 1, 2, and 3 picks if true. Sounds like Wilson is damaged goods. I guess they get it right from time to time after all.

Now it will be interesting to see where Branch gets drafted. Sounds like lots of reports saying his personal workout was unimpressive. Maybe there's truth to that. If so, is it now Adams, Anderson, Landry, or trade down (or has the 6th pick lost some luster).

Posted by: skinswest | March 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Point taken.

Who is this Art you speak of?

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I see you guys throw gaurds names around. How about this one:

Manuel Ramirez

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

skinswest, seems like the projected draft order among the D linemen has been topsy-turvy since they started workouts and meetings. Hard to discern what's true and what's smokescreen among all the stuff reported, especially about Branch.

I know our needs haven't changed... we need a stud on the D line to help us immediately.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

...or LaRon Landry, Reaper Junior. (That one's for AMTTS.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 26, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The schedule comes out next week... I can't wait to plan my annual road trip.

Oh, and I also buckled and ended up renewing my tickets today. Danny has me by the short ones.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 26, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

RB- Say it ain't so!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I definetly agree with you Nate on the DL need. It just seems like Adams may be smaller than we need and Anderson might be a bit overrated (I read that somewhere). Maybe the stuff on Branch is smokescreen BS, but I've read it in Denver Post, FoxSports, and ESPN so who knows - might be some truth to it. I'd hate to see them force the pick for need. Landry (or Nelson from Florida) would fill a definite need as well.

Posted by: skinswest | March 26, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse


HA. Yeah, I knew you'd have a few choice words for me...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 26, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"Bangkokben, there should be a new nickname for the position that Arch and Hamlin play.

It's not safety because they can't cover. It's not linebacker because, well, they are a little smaller and are meant to augment the normal complement of linebackers.

It's like a hybrid position where you take a guy who can't do either job well and put him in between. In a 3-4, I would call this position the 'fifth wheel.' In the Skins' D, I would call this position 'unwelcome.'"

Nate, I believe the correct term for this position is not a "safety," but a "liability."

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 26, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Thats what GMs/Scouts/Coaches do 6 weeks before the draft. You make him to be overrated so that person (Branch) can slip to that person's team.

Fact is guys like that don't come around that often.......

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 26, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

skinswest, I am hopeful that we can trade down to the mid-teens, pick up an extra pick or two and get Branch. I've been yelling this whole time for a DE, but Branch and an extra pick or two would be gravy...

I watched him every week last year at Michigan, and he is a gamer... an absolute monster on the field.

Did anyone else read the Weekly Conversation on ESPN with Alan Branch? It was such an obvious PR piece set up by his agent.

"Alan, they think you're lazy and only interested in getting a paycheck. I've convinced an ESPN writer to do an interview with you. Every time you feel a pause coming on -- one of those times where you want to say "uh" or "um" -- say "I work hard" instead. That'll show them!"

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 26, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

RB- That's ok. If we didn't have the baby, I'd probably feel the pull of the danny at the last minute as well. But alas, I sent that check in yesterday to open her Maryland 529 plan instead, so the waiting list is now 199,999.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 26, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Theisman as in Heisman

Yeah, that's the way I heard it, too. It was pretty widely reported when he first joined the 'Skins, the "Theisman as in Heisman" thing.

Does anyone remember that Joe actually returned punts for the 'Skins when he was first on the roster? The dude would do anything for playing time.

Posted by: John D in Houston | March 26, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse


199,999... hysterical.

Yeah, my viewpoint will undoubtedly change once I get married/have children. It will be much harder to justify an expense like Skins tickets at that point... especially if the organization continues its downward spiral/the Danny continues to treat his loyal fans like every day Joe's.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 26, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse


I remember Joe T returning punts. I also remember that his personality did not mesh at all with those of Sonny and Billy - just polar opposites.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 26, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Dudes and non-dudes,

It is the last day at my job for AMTTS. I just had an exit interview. I used 'shabingus' 3 times and 'chooch' once. I also referred to elements of my job as: 'astounding', 'shocking', 'deplorable', 'questionable at best', 'laughable', and 'bizarre to quite bizarre'.

It felt good everyone. Like a TD catch against the cowboys.

Just wanted to report. Peace and chicken grease.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | March 26, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Branch, the NFL Network guys (primarily Mike Mayock) did not seen high on him either.

Posted by: Lisa | March 26, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

AMMTS, bigger and brighter things await. Hang tough.

Others and non-others, with Patten's roster spot open, who steps up? Espy? Steven Harris? Ryan Hoag (Mr. Irrelevant, yes, but he is 6'2")? The incorrect answer to this question is Calvin Johnson. What is the correct answer? Back into Round Two of free agency? Invite Jimmy Farris back for sh!ts and giggles?

Summary: Its still Monday and I still got nothin.

Posted by: dcsween | March 26, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

don't forget about okoye from louisville reminds me of warren sapp (on the field)

Posted by: Old School | March 26, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

5 TCCLs for Cyn City for coming through with the NEW POST........

Posted by: 4-12 | March 26, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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