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Jammal Brown trade is "very positive for the Redskins," says Artis Hicks

The addition of Jammal Brown will no doubt force some shuffling on the Redskins' offensive line. But Artis Hicks, who will likely lose the right tackle spot to Brown, isn't complaining.

"It's always a great thing when you can get one of the best left tackles in the game over the last few years on your roster," Hicks said in a phone interview. "And before he was a left tackle he was a right tackle, so you know it was only going to be a matter of time before some change was made, whatever it is.

"But the bottom line is it's all about getting the best 53 guys. It's not about one guy. So when you've been in the league as long as I have, and something like this transpires, you can see the positives as well as the negatives. Overall, this is very positive for the Redskins, so I think it's a great move for us."

When Hicks was signed as a free agent in March, coaches lauded him for his versatility. And though he might not begin the season as the starting right tackle, he should have a good shot at the right guard job. He says he's excited about his upcoming competition with Mike Williams, who lined up at right guard during the team's offseason workouts.

"Well, nothing is etched in stone, but it looks like that's where I'm headed," Hicks said. "I know Mike Williams is going to want to stay there, too, so it's going to be about competition. That's just a good thing for everyone, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm sure he is, too."

By Rick Maese and Jason Reid  |  June 19, 2010; 8:39 PM ET
Categories:  Offensive line  
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Comments

first to say team player

Posted by: unknownsouljah | June 19, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Ok, now can we please stop trading draft pix!

Posted by: iubiquity | June 19, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

*REPOST*

In ONE YEAR, the Skins have made the oline, not only a priority, but a potential strength of this team!!

Posted by: adb1 | June 19, 2010 8:47 PM

I seem to recall those exact words being spoken by BA in his introductory news conference:

Q: Can you rebuild your OL in one year?

BA: Yes.

F'in HAIL!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 19, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

wow. the skins get brown for next to nothing. seriously? all the redskins have to do to get brown is trade down two spots with the saints in the middle of next year's draft?

now, the o-line has depth. if trent williams doesn't work out on the left side or is injured, the redskins don't miss a beat.

this was a great trade.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | June 19, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

first to say team player

Posted by: unknownsouljah

The hell you expect him to say? Guess who else talked a good game up front before he started cashing chex?

...and you people need to stop with all that "first" crap.. does it make you seem important or some sht?

Posted by: iubiquity | June 19, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

uhh, by spots i meant rounds, but you get my point.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | June 19, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Jammal Brown trade is "very positive for the Redskins," says Artis Hicks..

WOW, so this guy is enthusiastic and positive about them bring in a guy that may put him on the 2nd team or at OG.

How refreshing.

F Albert.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Either way, Williams and Brown as bookends is a significant upgrade over what the Redskins finished last season with.

That good. Old Man Portis is going to need a lot of open space to get his walker through.

Posted by: SonOfStan | June 19, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

A player can not be traded unless he is under contract. I think it is very interesting that Richard Seymour signed his franchise tender with the Raiders today when he had plenty of time until training camp starts. I can see a Seymour for Aintworth trade possibility. He played in a 3-4 in NE and thrived in it.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

A player can not be traded unless he is under contract. I think it is very interesting that Richard Seymour signed his franchise tender with the Raiders today when he had plenty of time until training camp starts. I can see a Seymour for Aintworth trade possibility. He played in a 3-4 in NE and thrived in it.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:07 PM

Well, that would just make this the best weekend in a long friggin time.

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 19, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

So we traded down (did NOT "give up" a pick) for a badarse tackle.

I guess they really do have a plan. Awesome.

Posted by: Salinas1 | June 19, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

This trade is very good, which creates less pressure on Twill being the starting LT and would move to RT...This FO is impressing me everyday...

Btw,
F-zerato the bug-eyed tool
F-bert the creation of zerato

Posted by: rb_rivers | June 19, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Repost

I love this move, and will let the Shannies choose how to play Williams and Brown. Suffice to say that we now have a solid OL. Just what we were hoping for since January!

Posted by: frediefritz | June 19, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | June 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

A player can not be traded unless he is under contract. I think it is very interesting that Richard Seymour signed his franchise tender with the Raiders today when he had plenty of time until training camp starts. I can see a Seymour for Aintworth trade possibility. He played in a 3-4 in NE and thrived in it.

Posted by: renhoekk2
If Allen can make that happen the I will truly be in awe. I think it would take some serious jedi mind tricks to talk someone into that deal, but Al Davis is probably the only owner worse than Snider.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess they really do have a plan. Awesome.

Posted by: Salinas1 | June 19, 2010 9:11 PM |

Just like the A-Team, ain't it.

Posted by: SonOfStan | June 19, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

For basically swapping draft picks between two rounds we get a Pro Bowl calibre OT.

A steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan have turned this FO and team around by epic proportions in just over 3 months.

Very impressive!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PCinOz | June 19, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

My thinking is the Raiders have been trying to sign Seymour to a long term deal since the traded for him last year and have not been able to do it. I'm betting they would rather have a couple of years of Aintworth for reasonable money then a string of 1 year franchise contracts with Seymour. Plus trading Aintworth to Oakland sticks it to him a little since he probably thought he would be going back to Tenn or to Detroit to play with his old Def Cord. Also why else would Seymour sign his franchise tender. I don't think anyone else has yet.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

For basically swapping draft picks between two rounds we get a Pro Bowl calibre OT.

A steal!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PCinOz | June 19, 2010 9:20 PM |

Mebbe, mebbe not. Dude is coming off being out for a season because of injuries. In our dreams we imagine Kemo, CP and this dude returning to past performance levels. But it is in our dreams and not on the field. At least not yet.

Posted by: SonOfStan | June 19, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Just like the A-Team, ain't it.

Posted by: SonOfStan
How many thousands of rounds of ammo did they fire off in their 5 seasons? NOT ONCE did they actually hit anyone they were shooting at. I hope we're more on target than that.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Still for a swap of draft picks -dropping two rounds in what will be a mediocre draft class after round 2 - its a steal

Posted by: PCinOz | June 19, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I pity the fool say something bad bout this trade!

Posted by: stevek20147 | June 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Total win for Skins on this one. A HUGE shift in front office maneuvering here. A versatile, relatively young Pro Bowl Tackle who instantly helps not only the starting line, but our depth along the line.

Hicks can play Guard or Tackle effectively and Brown can play the Left or Right side.

Total Total WIN - and I applaud Artis Hicks' attitude. That is how team players respond. Hail

Posted by: MadeRED | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

o Tenn or to Detroit to play with his old Def Cord. Also why else would Seymour sign his franchise tender. I don't think anyone else has yet.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

____________________________________

Word has it Seymour like Fat Al didn't want to partake in OTAs & was working out on his own (sound familiar), but since has signed because all of their OTAs are over now & he can show his face again.

I would rather keep Al miserable under a decent contract (since bonus has been paid) then to get Seymour at 31 years old & then have to give him a multi-year deal with another HUGE bonus. He is injury prone & that doesn't get better with age.

Posted by: tony325 | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Off topic but... does anyone know how Jeremy Jarmon is progressing in the new defensive scheme? I know that he's projected as a LB this year, but I haven't heard anything about how he's doing.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Its been a long time since we Redskin fans can actually be proud of an off-season. Usually we sign big names knowing that the season is going to suck. Now we make logical choices, pass on the big names, and do more than just plug holes.

Now if we can solve the issue of our wide receiver weakness.

Posted by: laserwizard | June 19, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I can see a Seymour for Aintworth trade possibility. He played in a 3-4 in NE and thrived in it.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:07 PM |

I can't. After moving $30+ M of coin into AH's bank account for playing 13 games the Skins are going to step up and move $12 M of franchise tag coin into this dud's bank account? You are thinking like Cerrato playing with Dan's house money.

Posted by: SonOfStan | June 19, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

... was working out on his own (sound familiar)

Posted by: tony325 | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM |

Working out on his own is very important to Al. It means that on his breaks he can play with all his toys (Ferraris, power boats, etc.).

Posted by: SonOfStan | June 19, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Word has it Seymour like Fat Al didn't want to partake in OTAs & was working out on his own (sound familiar), but since has signed because all of their OTAs are over now & he can show his face again.

I would rather keep Al miserable under a decent contract (since bonus has been paid) then to get Seymour at 31 years old & then have to give him a multi-year deal with another HUGE bonus. He is injury prone & that doesn't get better with age.

Posted by: tony325 | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Most players don't want to play on a one year contract for obvious reasons. So if he really wanted to stay in Oakland why not work out a long term deal? I'm not saying he's better than Aintworth. But I think the Skins want to get rid of him in a bad way. And if you can get a player who can probably start for your team in return I'm thinking their thought process is go ahead and do it.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Word has it Seymour like Fat Al didn't want to partake in OTAs & was working out on his own (sound familiar), but since has signed because all of their OTAs are over now & he can show his face again.

I would rather keep Al miserable under a decent contract (since bonus has been paid) then to get Seymour at 31 years old & then have to give him a multi-year deal with another HUGE bonus. He is injury prone & that doesn't get better with age.

Posted by: tony325 | June 19, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Most players don't want to play on a one year contract for obvious reasons. So if he really wanted to stay in Oakland why not work out a long term deal? I'm not saying he's better than Aintworth. But I think the Skins want to get rid of him in a bad way. And if you can get a player who can probably start for your team in return I'm thinking their thought process is go ahead and do it.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 19, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I can't. After moving $30+ M of coin into AH's bank account for playing 13 games the Skins are going to step up and move $12 M of franchise tag coin into this dud's bank account? You are thinking like Cerrato playing with Dan's house money.

Posted by: SonOfStan
IF we can get him to come here for just the one year tender offer and don't have to negotiate a multiyear deal for him it might be worth it. It seems like Allen is working the contracts this year with the strong posibility of a lockout next season in mind. Multi-year deals with lots of guaranteed money seem to be in short supply this year. Allen is smartly waiting to see how the new CBA turns out. I don't think it will be as favorable to the players in terms of guaranteed saleries for the players. Fat Albert will be a poster boy and rallying cry for the owners on that front.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Jammal Brown trade is "very positive for the Redskins," says Artis Hicks

So let's take a look into the future:

Williams--lt

Dockery--lg

Rabach--c

Hicks--rg

Brown--rt


Not bad.

Not bad at all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

(repost)

"...bruce and shanny, u guys are doing a marvelous job dissecting and filling the needs for this team...."

Indeed they have.

And their patience--and persistence--is outstanding.

If you remember back after FA started, folks howled like mad dogs after a sorry string of vet linemen seeking big paydays came and went.

Tell, now that you have Brown, do you lament not having Clifton, Pashos, Jones or Sims?

(Memba them?)

The smart people reminded us all that after the draft and OTAs, teams will look at their rosters, evaluate, and find some players worth dealing.

Bruce Allen was quoted at the time saying that free agency is a long process, not just the month after February.

And now, it looks like this prudent process has yielded us a young pro bowl tackle to go with the 1st rounder we drafted.

(And we drafted young'ns in late rounds--Capers/Cook--to train up along the way.)

We can no longer whine that the line is not fine.

The FO's wait and see approach has paid off.

Like it always does.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 19, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Now that's what I'm talking about. Team player....Take notes Albert.

Posted by: texdeleon | June 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

So let's take a look into the future:

Williams--lt
Dockery--lg
Rabach--c
Hicks--rg
Brown--rt

Not bad.
Not bad at all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 19, 2010 10:32 PM

I also think T.Williams and J.Brown can switch positions depending on coverage or play call.
By the way,true professionals are now handling Skins affairs, "vuvuzela" and kudos to Shanny and Allen.

Posted by: abxinc | June 19, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Allen is night and day when compared to Vinny. Finally we have a real GM who understands that football games are won and lost at the line of scrimmage. Its sooooo nice to see that almost all of our moves have been to improove our lines on both sides of the ball. Keep up the good work Bruce!

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.

Get tired of writing that.

A 29 year old injury ridden tackle. I mean it's horrific. Win now is great, except we never do.

Posted by: Gweez | June 19, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

WOWWWW!!

I GOTTA ADMIT, SNYDER FINALLY HAS DONE IT RIGHT

THIS SHOULD B A SIGN THAT SNYDY-BOY IS LETTING SHANNALLEN RUN THE SHOW FOR REALS.

WE FINALLY GOT OUR NEW BOOKEND TACKLES

THIS MOVE FREES UP OUR FIRST 2 PICKS FOR NEXT YR!!!!

WE CAN GRAB A TRUE PLAYMAKER WR N A NICE YOUNG RB......

WHAT U GUYS THINK???? MO???? 4TH???? H8DALLAS????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 19, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Finally we got some lineman that other gms actually thought were worth drafting!!!!

Cerrato woulda blew this trade hard!!!

I doubt our old FO woulda got him. Then again our old fo woulda paid any old player lookin for some cheedar before retirement, our just a lazy POS like albie worthless

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 19, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Finally we got some lineman that other gms actually thought were worth drafting!!!!

Cerrato woulda blew this trade hard!!!

I doubt our old FO woulda got him. Then again our old fo woulda paid any old player lookin for some cheedar before retirement, our just a lazy POS like albie worthless

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 19, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

@Gweez - pop a Zanax and do your research. Jammal Brown is a 2 time Pro Bowl Left Tackle who can play the Right AND who was only injured one season.

This is a complete upgrade over what we had, and bears no resemblance to the prior moves we made.

We gave up next to nothing for that caliber of player.

Posted by: MadeRED | June 19, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

If T.Williams gets moved to RT does it affect his upcoming contract negotiations? the ole LT's get paid more than RT's scenario

Posted by: coparker5 | June 19, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

stud OT under 30 and a 5th or 6th round pick for a 3rd rounder...I think Lloyd Christmas said it best "I like it a LOT"

This is huge. We might actually not suck this year. Now if we can just get this debacle with 92 sorted out...

HAIL YEA

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | June 19, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

you remember back after FA started, folks howled like mad dogs after a sorry string of vet linemen seeking big paydays came and went.

Tell, now that you have Brown, do you lament not having Clifton, Pashos, Jones or Sims?

(Memba them?)

The smart people reminded us all that after the draft and OTAs, teams will look at their rosters, evaluate, and find some players worth dealing.

Bruce Allen was quoted at the time saying that free agency is a long process, not just the month after February.

And now, it looks like this prudent process has yielded us a young pro bowl tackle to go with the 1st rounder we drafted.

(And we drafted young'ns in late rounds--Capers/Cook--to train up along the way.)

We can no longer whine that the line is not fine.

The FO's wait and see approach has paid off.

Like it always does.

Posted by: MistaMoe

POST OF THE DAY, MISTA. POST OF THE DAMN DAY.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | June 19, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

So we now have 15 o-lineman keep maybe 9
who gets sacked? the one with ** I think are prime candidates

Rabach, Casey C
Cook, Erik C/G
Montgomery, Will C/G**
Williams, Edwin C/G
Dockery, Derrick G
Lichtensteiger, Kory G**
Hicks, Artis G/T
Rinehart, Chad G/T
Williams, Mike G/T
Brown, Jammal OT
Capers, Selvish OT
Heyer, Stephon OT**
Oldenburg, Clint OT**
Robinson, William OT**
Williams, Trent OT

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 19, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

@Qweez-
Explain to me how this does not make our O-line better than it was yesterday and much better than it was last year AND the year before that.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I think we keep Heyer. Nice problem to have, versus needing to sign guys off the street to patch holes.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | June 19, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: coparker5 | June 19, 2010 11:26 PM

No, He'll get #4 money regardless. He may play LT or RT or better yet get some seasoning on the bench and learn from Brown & Hicks. He's still a bit raw and needs to work on his strength.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 19, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Back in Ohio for my little sisters wedding so this is the first time I've had to catch up. Gotta say I'm loving it. And hey Fatty fat fatty, listen to Hicks, that's a team player you giant vag.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 19, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Last year, Heyer was projected to start at RT right from the beginning. This year he'll have to work his a$$ off just to make the team. His capabilities haven't dropped off, the competition has just gotten better. I think that speaks volumes.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 19, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

lets check the off season wish list

Coaching staff who knows what they are doing - check

Proven NFL QB - check

Bookend Tackles - check

Backup RB - check & check

Team coming together - check
------------------------------------------
Can't wait for the season

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 19, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

TW has to man the LT spot. Its his spot to lose. JB will be our lock for RT. Shanny knos that TW n JB r the future of our line n I predict he will still draft another lineman to groom all together.

Any body else just realize that this yr we only have 2 starters on the line from last year??? Hairy sasqaRabach n Dock, the only two that didn't go down injured last yr...... another good sign from how to run a franchise. ( I see your looking really hard at this Vinny, are you taking notes like a good boy?K

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 19, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

TW has to man the LT spot. Its his spot to lose. JB will be our lock for RT. Shanny knos that TW n JB r the future of our line n I predict he will still draft another lineman to groom all together.

Any body else just realize that this yr we only have 2 starters on the line from last year??? Hairy sasqaRabach n Dock, the only two that didn't go down injured last yr...... another good sign from how to run a franchise. ( I see your looking really hard at this Vinny, are you taking notes like a good boy?K

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 19, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Artis Hicks is some kind of Zen master. I wish we could send him to Arizona, rub some of that philosophy off on Kwai Chang Hayne.

"Be nothing, and you will have everything to give to others." - Master Po

Posted by: SonofNero | June 19, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Williams, Trent OT - STARTER
Dockery, Derrick G - STARTER
Rabach, Casey C - STARTER
Hicks, Artis G/T - STARTER
Brown, Jammal OT - STARTER

Williams, Edwin C/G - BACKUP
Rinehart, Chad G/T - BACKUP
Williams, Mike G/T - BACKUP
Heyer, Stephen OT - BACKUP

Cook, Erik C/G - PRACTICE SQUAD
Capers, Selvish OT - PRACTICE SQUAD

Montgomery, Will C/G - CUT
Lichtensteiger, Kory G - CUT
Oldenburg, Clint OT - CUT
Robinson, William OT - CUT

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 19, 2010 11:28 PM

See Above for answers

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 19, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

@Gweez - pop a Zanax and do your research. Jammal Brown is a 2 time Pro Bowl Left Tackle who can play the Right AND who was only injured one season....

Posted by: MadeRED

If you are going to givr advice, at least get your factd straight. It's "Xanax."

Honestly, kids today.

Posted by: TheCork | June 19, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

DC2AZ9934ELMO9'ER-

I'll call it now. T Will won't start on Sept 12.

He's not ready and Brown and Hicks are definite upgrades over what we rolled out there last year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 20, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

So we now have 15 o-lineman keep maybe 9
who gets sacked? the one with ** I think are prime candidates

Rabach, Casey C
Cook, Erik C/G
Montgomery, Will C/G**
Williams, Edwin C/G
Dockery, Derrick G
Lichtensteiger, Kory G**
Hicks, Artis G/T
Rinehart, Chad G/T
Williams, Mike G/T
Brown, Jammal OT
Capers, Selvish OT
Heyer, Stephon OT**
Oldenburg, Clint OT**
Robinson, William OT**
Williams, Trent OT

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Cook and Capers are destined for the Practice squad, if not cut.

Rinehart and Edwin Williams, Heyer maybe, are on the bubble because the new coachs/GM have no emotional investment in them--previous administration took them.

I'll bet there's at least one new face brought in, maybe two--vets likely.

Posted by: TheCork | June 20, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Really am liking how the team is shaping up this offseason! The torture is having to wait 2+ months to see if it all comes together or not. I hope it matches my sweet imagination! Haynesworth is insane for not wanting to be a part of this...his loss.

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | June 20, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

gweez is a moron. prob not even a skins fan. pick a new team if ur unhappy.

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | June 20, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I'll call it now. T Will won't start on Sept 12.

He's not ready and Brown and Hicks are definite upgrades over what we rolled out there last year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 20, 2010 12:03 AM |

What gives you this impression?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2010 12:21 AM | Report abuse

What gives you this impression?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2010 12:21 AM

Just first guessing based on what I saw from T Will as a Sooner and the fact that he's raw and lacks the strength to be a LT in his rookie year.

I would have taken Okung but that ship has sailed. He would benefit from sitting for a year and Brown and Hicks are a major upgrade over Jones and Heyer from last year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 20, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

What gives you this impression?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2010 12:21 AM

Just first guessing based on what I saw from T Will as a Sooner and the fact that he's raw and lacks the strength to be a LT in his rookie year.

I would have taken Okung but that ship has sailed. He would benefit from sitting for a year and Brown and Hicks are a major upgrade over Jones and Heyer from last year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | June 20, 2010 12:29 AM |

Solid enough argument. I was for Okung, too, but I have to believe the coaches know which one would fit the scheme better. Definitely never sold on Jones or Heyer. Levi is an idiot and will sit half the season again this year until someone has an injury need.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

If T.Williams gets moved to RT does it affect his upcoming contract negotiations? the ole LT's get paid more than RT's scenario

Posted by: coparker5 | June 19, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse
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NO!!! BA gotta give him his slot... Whatever #5 gets, he probably gets 5-15% more guaranteed money. You don't use Jamaal Brown as leverage in contract negotiations.

I still say he is LT... can't agree with Diesel that he won't start. What this trade does... It gives TW competition at HIS position & I bet they didn't like his attitude up until this point... Remember his comments about that old coach who said he could be the best ever if he applied himself? He is gonna find out real quick how a pro's pro does his job at HIS position. This will give him the push he needs or nothing will.

Posted by: tony325 | June 20, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

We basically trade down two rounds in the next year's draft for a Pro Bowl-caliber offensive tackle. Another shrewd and creative move by Bruce Allen and Shanahan.

Now if we can just get rid of Fat Albert for a pick and a big defensive tackle like Colin Cole from the Seattle Seahawks.

Posted by: SkinsinDFW | June 20, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

OMFG....

People are lauding BA and Shanny for not being like Vinny....


BUT THEM MoFos ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME THING......

You gotta realize, it wasn't a Vinny problem....it was a Snyder GM problem.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 20, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Meet the new boss...same as the old boss.

Get tired of writing that.

A 29 year old injury ridden tackle. I mean it's horrific. Win now is great, except we never do.

Posted by: Gweez | June 19, 2010 11:09 PM

But someone gets it......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 20, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Last but not least....

Haynesworth WILL be playing for the REDSKINS in 2010.....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 20, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Yo 4th, would u say we r better with or without brown??

I'm asking because we got this guy for hardly anything.

BA n MS got brown n carriker for swapping picks.

Two starters for close to nothing.

When has Danny boy ever concocted some moves like that??

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 20, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

4th, gotta disagree with you that BA/MS are just like vc. These guys are not giving ridiculous money to any of the new FA's signed.

I agree with you on AH playing for the Skins next year, but can't see how you see the JB signing as a VC signing. VC never went for real OL.

Yes they are trading draft picks, but not the way that DS/VC did.

If you can't tell that these guys are football professionals, then not sure what you are seeing.

Posted by: Curzon417 | June 20, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

This is a very good deal. Some risk with Brown's injury history, but the upside is enormous.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 20, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

2 starters, no huge groundbreaking contract.

Maybe synder realizes the less involved he is the better off we are.

Only took a decade.... Guess better late than never

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 20, 2010 2:51 AM | Report abuse

AH will play for us until a team suffers an injury.

When that goes down, deuces fatty, well get our 2nd rounder for u then forget you ever existed.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 20, 2010 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Next years draft is for our playmakers for offense.

What a transformation in one year.

3 upgrades on the o line, a HOF QB

Top 2 picks next year, WR, RB

Thoughts?????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 20, 2010 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Just in.

Earth passed through a comet this week. Scientist say because of it's chemical makeup it has the same effect as Kool-aid on the weak minded and Redskin fans.

Washed up LT/RT, 3 RB, QB, Trading draft picks - OH pinch me to make sure this is not a dream. No no I am sure we outsmarted the Saints and Eagles again.

Posted by: mul123 | June 20, 2010 3:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm still not sure if I'm willing to give
Shanallen a pass just yet, but maybe I will if they sign T.O.

Posted by: Risa_L | June 20, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm not willing to cede RG to Hicks if Brown rolls into RT.

I think BMW is a road grader, and ahs had a eyar t obuild his bod yback up from dropping al lthe weight.

In any event its a real real good problem to have Brown, TWill, Hicks and BMW all battling and figuring out who starts at LT, RT, RG and is first up if somebody goes down.

Sounds a lot better than Levi Brown, Heyer and Rinehart, no??

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 20, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Hey Vinnie,

Hard for you to understand that an Offensive Line is a must for any football team. I know you're having problems figuring out what the Redskins are trying to do but if you're still in the DC area, there are some great hospitals close-by like GW, Gtown, JHopkins that can help out. I'm trying to tell folks that you did not act in the movie "Dumb and Dumber." You didn't, did you?

Posted by: getitritegov | June 20, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Washed up LT/RT, 3 RB, QB, Trading draft picks - OH pinch me to make sure this is not a dream. No no I am sure we outsmarted the Saints and Eagles again.

Posted by: mul123 | June 20, 2010 3:35 AM | Report abuse

It's not always about getting over on another team. Not all trades are zero sum game propositions. Plenty of times it's mutually beneficial. Jamal Brown was disgruntled; the Saints won a Super Bowl with him, there was nowhere to go but down. Why not take a 3rd round pick (maybe 4th)? Excellent players are usually available in those rounds if you have competent mgmt. Additionally they save huge cap space now and in the future by not signing him to a huge contract. And we fill a massive need. Sure injuries are a concern but the fact is this guy has been to the Pro Bowl 3 of the 4 yrs he's played a full season. You mean to tell me that upside /risk is not worth a swap of mid round picks??

I'll keep drinking that Kool Aid my man.

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | June 20, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Vinnie never dealt in an uncapped year.

This year is an anomly and hardly anyone is getting paid. The major difference is Vinnie was forced to do Snyder's doing to keep his job. BA/Shanny got their jobs because Snyder's GM duties were total failures......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 20, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

4thfloor

"Last but not least....Haynesworth WILL be playing for the REDSKINS in 2010.....Book it!"


It'll be a strange thing if that happens.

I'm beginning to see why the FO is so inclined to hold on to AH while ignoring his petulant, kiddy daycare behavior.

The redskin FO is holding on to Prince Al like he was the last joker in a game of NFL personnel poker.

You know like I do, the closer it gets to the opening of NFL camps, several things might happen:

---AH relents, fears losing his cash and decides to show up to be a redskin, and folks forgive and forget.

---some team with Super Bowl aspirations loses a starting defensive lineman to injury and calls BA hoping to make a sucker's deal for #92.

---AH is traded for value that yields mid-round picks which, in light of the moves to acquire J Brown, could give the team multiple picks in rounds 3-4-6.

How can we lose with the stuff we use?

Hold on to AH, Shanny, and he'll give back what you really want--picks in 2011, not cash back in 2010.

And that hope is what I'll put in my book.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 20, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

"Vinnie never dealt in an uncapped year."


You're right.

Every year Vinnie worked for the skins, he wore a cap that had D-U-N-C-E stitched on it.

And obviously, the cap interfered with his ability to perform adequately.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 20, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Moe curshin it, per usual.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | June 20, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

You know, I hate to rain on this joy parade, but we have given 2nd, 3rd and 4th pics for two players who are under contract for this year only. Unless we use franchise or transition tags on them, which are very expensive, then we very well could lose them.
Has the team even discussed signing Mcnabb to a long term deal?
The uncertainty of next season and waiting to see how well they play, of course, are factors in this, but after all the bitter taste of Haynesworth remains fresh in our collective mouths.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 20, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

You know like I do, the closer it gets to the opening of NFL camps, several things might happen:

---AH relents, fears losing his cash and decides to show up to be a redskin, and folks forgive and forget.

---some team with Super Bowl aspirations loses a starting defensive lineman to injury and calls BA hoping to make a sucker's deal for #92.

---AH is traded for value that yields mid-round picks which, in light of the moves to acquire J Brown, could give the team multiple picks in rounds 3-4-6.

How can we lose with the stuff we use?

Hold on to AH, Shanny, and he'll give back what you really want--picks in 2011, not cash back in 2010.

And that hope is what I'll put in my book.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 20, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse
Cosign, Moe. AH WILL be in training camp if we have not traded him by then. I do not buy into the argument that he will be a cancer in the lockerroom. Yes, the team is not happy with him right now.
but he is too much of a force for players to totally ignore. FO will still look to trade him, but they will not give him away.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 20, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Has the team even discussed signing Mcnabb to a long term deal?
The uncertainty of next season and waiting to see how well they play, of course, are factors in this, but after all the bitter taste of Haynesworth remains fresh in our collective mouths.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | June 20, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Don't know what is up with blog, but even tho I am signed on, I'm having trouble getting my comment box.

Anyway, monkeymayo, league rules prohibit Skins offering #5 a new contract until sometime in July. Something about renegotiating a contract when last contract was signed less than 12 months ago. I believe BA and DMac will have an extension signed before the season starts.

Posted by: frediefritz | June 20, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Next years draft is for our playmakers for offense.

What a transformation in one year.

3 upgrades on the o line, a HOF QB

Top 2 picks next year, WR, RB

Thoughts?????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 20, 2010 3:14 AM |

I'd be willing to bet one of those early picks will go for MLB to groom for London or Rocky.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Next years draft is for our playmakers for offense.

What a transformation in one year.

3 upgrades on the o line, a HOF QB

Top 2 picks next year, WR, RB

Thoughts?????

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | June 20, 2010 3:14 AM |

I'd be willing to bet one of those early picks will go for MLB to groom for London or Rocky.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 20, 2010 9:30 AM

Can't say anything intelligent about next year's draft until we see what happens in next year's free agency.

Posted by: greenback | June 20, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"3 upgrades on the o line, a HOF QB"

HOF QB? I don't think so. McNabb is not going into the HOF. Only 3 active QBs are going into the HOF that is Manning, Brady and Favre.

There is no downside to the Brown deal. That being said there is a reason why he was essentially traded for nothing. Hip injuries for big offensive linemen are tough to come back from.


Posted by: srobert1117 | June 20, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Just saw something about a(n) Ramzee Robinson signing...Just wondering who is he and what could he bring to our defense? Also Greg Peterson was released, not sure if he would've been anymore than a camp body. But still with all this bulls**t surrounding Fat Albert, we needed every defensive lineman we could get for this defense heading into training camp. BA and MS know much more than I do about this team and future plans. In Allen and Shanny I trust!

I'll be a little more at ease if we were to add another legitimate WR, starter/backup caliber DT/NT, and a veteran FS. But still impressed with the Jammal Brown trade. HAIL

Posted by: robbkels | June 20, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Very good trade. Skins should be competitive this year. But I'll know they're serious about winning this year if they find a way to bring in a legit WR.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 20, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I would have loved to have kept out picks....Brown sounds good, but coming off injury and is 29.....he'll be 32 by the time the team really is making strides.

But if the can LAYER THE LINE OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS with a mix young talent and draft picks.
...they need to move Portis, Haynesworth, other players for more picks, I don't are if they are 3rd and lower,but move them....

But they need to be prudent from this point on.....

Next, I'd like to see some actual moves on

QB
Rb
Wr-if thomas/kelly suck beyond possible this year
Db...we need a great cover corner

And continue to spend MODERATE TO SLIGHTLY HIGH money on impact players.

But those days of giving up all the picks for one player is gone.

The only time we should be doing that is if we need ONE OR TWO players from having a PERFECT roster.

Posted by: impervious99 | June 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

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