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Long journey to first career start

On the defensive line, two of the Redskins three starters were out of football last year, recovering from injuries. On the offensive line, three of the five were also out of the NFL for various reasons. Jammal Brown was on injured reserve. Trent Williams was playing for the University of Oklahoma. And then there's Kory Lichtensteiger, the newest addition to the starting lineup.

Lichtensteiger's journey to his first career start last Sunday was not an easy one.

"They say things happen for a reason," says the 25-year-old Lichtensteiger. "I'm really glad the way things ended up. I'm very comfortable here."

Lichtensteiger was originally drafted by Mike Shanahan in Denver, a fourth-round pick in 2008, and seemed to have the right body type for Shanahan's zone blocking scheme. A product of Bowling Green State, Lichtensteiger stands 6-foot-2 and weighs 292 pounds. As a rookie, he played mostly on special teams, though he also lined up as an H-back in some goal line situations.

But Shanahan left and new Denver coach Josh McDaniels apparently wanted a different type of offensive lineman. Lichtensteiger was waived at the end of training camp and picked up two days later by the Minnesota Vikings. But the Vikings kept Lichtensteiger inactive for the first three games of the season and finally waived him on Sept. 29, 2009. That's when life became a bit more uncertain.

At first, the phone didn't ring.

"I started to wonder a little bit," he says. "I started to question what was going to happen, if I was going to get another opportunity."

As the season wore on, players across the league went down with injuries and Lichtensteiger, living in a Denver suburb, began to get some feelers. But no job offers. He had five workouts with five different teams. At one point, he went from Atlanta to Miami to Buffalo within a couple of days. All the traveling left his body a bit tight, and he tore a calf muscle during his workout with the Bills, ending his hopes of returning in 2009.

Back in Colorado, Lichtensteiger's future was especially uncertain. He began to contemplate his options. He'd earned his criminal justice degree from Bowling Green and even interned with a probation officer in college, so he figured something along those lines might work. But he wasn't ready to give up on football.

"I was going to wait until this year played out and then go from there," he says.

"It's so hard to go back to everyday life, 9-to-5. I have a family and we got used to living a certain lifestyle," he continued. "It was like, man, we're going to have to buckle down and change the way we're living. There were some scary thoughts floating around in my head."

Lichtensteiger kept working out, tried to stay in shape.and hoped that some team would need a quick-footed interior lineman.

Shanahan was named Redskins' head coach on January 6. Less than a week later, the first player he signed was Lichtensteiger.

Because Lichtensteiger missed all of last year entered this season with virtually no experience playing offensive line in the NFL, coaches eased him into the lineup. Derrick Dockery started the first two weeks at left guard, but Lichtensteiger played every third series against Dallas and every other series against Houston. Finally, last Sunday at St. Louis, he started ahead of Dockery and played the entire game.

Clearly, at this point, coaches feel Lichtensteiger is a better fit for their system than Dockery, who's four inches taller, 30 pounds heavier, five years older and not as light on his feet.

"This scheme allows me to use more of my athleticism and quickness," Lichtensteiger says. "It's not so much about brute strength, which is not my forte. It's more about angles and running to the second level. I think you can achieve a lot more as a hard working guy in this offense."

Two years after Shanahan drafted him into the NFL, Lichtensteiger finally is being given his chance to show whether that's true.

By Rick Maese  | September 29, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
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Comments

It's Wednesday. Jason Reid has finished dissecting the Rams debacle. Or, more accurately, we've finished posting John Keim's analysis. Now Rick Maese can turn to the deep-background human interest stories that will prepare us for Sunday's game. First up: Lichtensteiger. Then, look for two or three Haynesworth updates from Jason Reid and several angles on McNabb/Vick matchup.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: kirkleo29 | September 29, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: kirkleo29 | September 29, 2010 6:24 AM

Hey, kirkleo, take this junk over to the Wizards blog. Everyone who posts here already has a good job (except for pabrian and cork). We're all GS-13's or better. You should be applying for one of these "jobs" instead of posting spam all over the internet.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Beep. So after Moss all of our WR’s suck. Right? Is that what you’re saying?


Posted by: fat_back | September 29, 2010 6:25 AM

f_b, it's a simple concept...the better players play. When they don't produce, the players playing behind them don't magically become better. They're typically worse. Which is why they're playing behind unproductive starters.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Is this thing on?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 6:20 AM |

hey beep, you forgot to mention our algebra class, so get your TI 84 out and get ready to crash some numbers.

Posted by: hessone | September 29, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Now if the running plays could only get to the second tier! Litch stated this is how the blocking scheme works.

Posted by: joeboggs | September 29, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

hey beep, you forgot to mention our algebra class, so get your TI 84 out and get ready to crash some numbers.

Posted by: hessone | September 29, 2010 7:08 AM

Been there, done that. I've crunched (not "crashed") the numbers and here's some interesting facts. Five possible events with equal probability of zero:

1. Relevant post on RI
2. Poopy McPoop admits he's constipated
3. Chia_Pet stops bringing his sock puppets
4. We "kick the tires" on someone Brownwood likes
5. Someone clicks on kirkleo's link and doesn't get a virus

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

beep, you missed one:

6. Beep-beep comes up with either a funny joke or a handle that isn't completely lame

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

beep, you missed one:

6. Beep-beep comes up with either a funny joke or a handle that isn't completely lame

Posted by: brownwood26

7. jm220 comes in and smack all of you with the hammer.

Posted by: jm220 | September 29, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

...We're all GS-13's or better...

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Better? What could be better than a Latino gang?

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 29, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow jm220...haven't seen you in a minute. Hope all is well.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

"It's more about angles and running to the second level." - Lichtensteiger
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Love this, in theory, but the million dollar question is, "who blocks the guys at the first level"? Seems to me Dockery was better at clearing those guys out of the way - certainly on short yardage plays.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

6. Beep-beep comes up with either a funny joke or a handle that isn't completely lame

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 7:28 AM

Good one, brownwood26. I've given up on thinking I can find something that works with your "sense of humor" but I might kick the tires on a new handle. Would brownwood25 be completely lame, or just lame enough?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I think I just walked into a family fight on Christmas morning pre-presents opening. So awkward...backing up slowly out of the room now.

Posted by: Section104 | September 29, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

beep, just having to ask should be answer enough...

Sure wish we had a viable topic to comment on instead of another "newspaper article masquerading as a blog post". Apparently, nobody supervises RI even occasionally...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

might be time to fire up some pft posts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Apparently, nobody supervises RI even occasionally...


Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget the fact that no one seems to proofread this stuff or spellchecks it either, I mean, take this example. Seems like there should be a period or the word and in there somewhere, doesn't sound right. Is is just me?

"Because Lichtensteiger missed all of last year entered this season with virtually no experience playing offensive line in the NFL, coaches eased him into the lineup."

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget the fact that no one seems to proofread this stuff or spellchecks it either, I mean, take this example. Seems like there should be a period or the word and in there somewhere, doesn't sound right. Is is just me?

"Because Lichtensteiger missed all of last year entered this season with virtually no experience playing offensive line in the NFL, coaches eased him into the lineup."

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Now I am known for poor grammar, but shouldn't you avoid starting a sentence with Because?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Wheres Brandon Banks ?

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | September 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Alright, just a shot out of a canon here: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife...you gotta f*ck one, kill one, marry one. GO!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I understand that the Monster cereals are coming back for tha limited time...that's awesome!

Does the nerd stat dude ususally post something on Wednesdays? I can't wait!

Posted by: PlayAction | September 29, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I was reading the Keim article that Brownwood posted and I just have a few observations:

-Maybe a front three of Daniels, Carriker and Haynesworth would be more like what we need. These guys are all strong and should be able to occupy multiple blockers.

-Bench Carter, and promote Alexander. It seems pretty obvious, doesn't it?

-Start Armstrong, if healthy, in Galloway's place. My worry about Galloway all along has been that he would wear down as the season progresses. Those little aches and bruises that are part of a normal NFL player's miseries accumulate with older players whose bodies take longer to heal. Translation: I don't think Galloway will be on the regular roster by the end of the season, so why waste this valuable time that could be used to develop a guy like Armstrong?

-Line up London Fletcher five yards from the line of scrimmage. He is the exact opposite of Andre Carter: Fletcher is very good in space and not so good in traffic. Yes, the guards are getting by Kemo, who is supposed to keep them occupied, and then the inside backers are being hammered by the big offensive linemen, but Fletcher is playing so close that those slower o-lineman are able to draw a bead on him. My feeling is both Fletcher and McIntosh are playing too close and it is going to hurt if they line up that way with a scrambling Mike Vick on the other side of the LOS. Remember, there were a few games last year where Blache had Fletcher lined up more ten yards back from the LOS. That's because Fletcher is great at taking angles and playing in space. Haslett needs to steal this page from Blache's playbook.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

anyone hear about Dez Bryant taking the team out to dinner, and it costing him $55,000 dollars?? O U C H.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"As a rookie, he (K Lict) played mostly on special teams, though he also lined up as an H-back in some goal line situations."

So with Lichtensteiger becoming a starter, we have the following o-line:

Williams
Lichtensteiger
Rabach
Hicks
Brown

Only Rabach is a holdover from last year, but we have the same problem from last year--an unproductive ground game.

Will we run more unbalanced lines like other NFL teams have in recent weeks?

Will a consistent mix of Torain/Portis and a lighter, more athletic line render results?

Will we see more screen plays?

We can't answer all those questions now.

But you have to hope some kind of playcalling creativity emerges out of this new group of linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Alright, just a shot out of a canon here: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife...you gotta f*ck one, kill one, marry one. GO!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:28 AM
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Which one has the biggest insurance payout?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Easy...

F My Wife
Marry Oprah
Kill Barbara

Posted by: PlayAction | September 29, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"Because Lichtensteiger missed all of last year entered this season with virtually no experience playing offensive line in the NFL, coaches eased him into the lineup."

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 8:22 AM


It's not just you...that's what in literary terms is called an "incoherent clusterf*ck of words"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

He couldn't have made that much of a difference, however, the running game did seem better with him in there. When we did run the ball that is.

Posted by: duncanrobee | September 29, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Dez Bryant = NERD whose mother is a prostitute

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

might be time to fire up some pft posts...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:19 AM
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Don't. It always leads to some newb asking the same question eight times before he realizes someone could actually post something untrue on the internet. It's just so hard to see them grow up.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Alright, just a shot out of a canon here: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife...you gotta f*ck one, kill one, marry one. GO!

Posted by: brownwood26

Only I'd be the only one to notice this, I know. But did you catch the picture of the guy interviewer daughters?

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

anyone hear about Dez Bryant taking the team out to dinner, and it costing him $55,000 dollars?? O U C H.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:31 AM
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Did that include the coke or did he have to buy that separately?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

anyone hear about Dez Bryant taking the team out to dinner, and it costing him $55,000 dollars?? O U C H.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:31 AM

Three free tickets with the bonus points on his Capital One Card! What card is in your wallet, Beantown?

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"Maybe a front three of Daniels, Carriker and Haynesworth would be more like what we need. These guys are all strong and should be able to occupy multiple blockers."

We posted several times this summer that '46 bear' fronts with Kemo/Golston/Haynesworth/Carriker playing in a rotation would be a great use of personnel.

In a '46 bear front,' three interior linemen fire into guard/center gaps, and thus, create havoc, and keep the linebackers 'clean'.

The 'backers then can blitz or cover or work their area of the field free of second level blockers tied up by the gap attacking defensive tackles.

The jets/stillers run such fronts to great success.

And given our lack of same, perhaps re-considering how we use Kemo/Carriker/Haynesworth/Golston will bring about better results.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

it's simple: the Redskins' schemes have been learned to where their lack of talent is now exposed (& it only took 3 games). Talent beats schemes...

Posted by: bernard_thompson | September 29, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Wheres Brandon Banks ?

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | September 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

At a Subway making my Italian foot-long.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

RSH, good observations but let me counterpoint a couple:

-With a starting 3 of AH, Daniels, and Carriker up front, who plays NT? AH steadfastly refuses to play NT and Daniels--although he's probably the strongest guy we have on defense--is too old to be an every-down NT (and that's not even taking into account his injury history). We bet the farm and Kemo and it seems we have to ride him out and hope he comes on as the season progresses.

-I think Alexander's role on special teams is what's keeping the Skins from playing him more on defense. I know we all love his motor and his versatility, but I doubt he's got enough to play two phases of the game full time. Just like teams shield their best offensive players from playing special teams, often times teams shield their best special teamers from playing offense/defense. Seems to be the case with Lo Alexander.

-AA isn't a prospect to "develop"...he's a direct result of having a putrid amount of depth at WR. If we have even one more legit threat at WR, he doesn't make this team. I think you're right about Galloway for the most part, but dude is playing because there is literally NO better choice.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Alright, just a shot out of a canon here: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife...you gotta f*ck one, kill one, marry one. GO!

Posted by: brownwood26

Not maried but will use my GF in this situation.

You F your GF/Wife.
Marry and then Kill Oprah.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"Maybe a front three of Daniels, Carriker and Haynesworth would be more like what we need. These guys are all strong and should be able to occupy multiple blockers."

We posted several times this summer that '46 bear' fronts with Kemo/Golston/Haynesworth/Carriker playing in a rotation would be a great use of personnel.

In a '46 bear front,' three interior linemen fire into guard/center gaps, and thus, create havoc, and keep the linebackers 'clean'.

The 'backers then can blitz or cover or work their area of the field free of second level blockers tied up by the gap attacking defensive tackles.

The jets/stillers run such fronts to great success.

And given our lack of same, perhaps re-considering how we use Kemo/Carriker/Haynesworth/Golston will bring about better results.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 8:41 AM
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I think that would be more effective, Moe, but Haslett is committed to his 3-4 Steelers-style defense. Two things that strike me is he needs more muscle with the front three, and he needs more speed with the linebackers. I think moving Carriker inside with Daniels and Haynesworth outside would be an improvement inside, and then replacing Carter with Alexander would work in the linebacker corps.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

-AA isn't a prospect to "develop"...he's a direct result of having a putrid amount of depth at WR. If we have even one more legit threat at WR, he doesn't make this team. I think you're right about Galloway for the most part, but dude is playing because there is literally NO better choice.

Posted by: brownwood26


Which is why we need to draft Julio Jones from Bama after the season. Imagine McNabb throwing to him.

Posted by: duncanrobee | September 29, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

"It's more about angles and running to the second level." - Lichtensteiger
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Love this, in theory, but the million dollar question is, "who blocks the guys at the first level"? Seems to me Dockery was better at clearing those guys out of the way - certainly on short yardage plays.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse


Because we didnt have 2 running backs with 40 plus yards on a measly 7 carriers a piece????

Posted by: Stu27 | September 29, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

stu, thats the hardest part of the 2nd half of the rams game to swallow...they were gashing the rams, and just completely went the other way....I need to move on I know, but, just so hard to figure...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

RSH, good observations but let me counterpoint a couple:

-With a starting 3 of AH, Daniels, and Carriker up front, who plays NT? AH steadfastly refuses to play NT and Daniels--although he's probably the strongest guy we have on defense--is too old to be an every-down NT (and that's not even taking into account his injury history). We bet the farm and Kemo and it seems we have to ride him out and hope he comes on as the season progresses.

-I think Alexander's role on special teams is what's keeping the Skins from playing him more on defense. I know we all love his motor and his versatility, but I doubt he's got enough to play two phases of the game full time. Just like teams shield their best offensive players from playing special teams, often times teams shield their best special teamers from playing offense/defense. Seems to be the case with Lo Alexander.

-AA isn't a prospect to "develop"...he's a direct result of having a putrid amount of depth at WR. If we have even one more legit threat at WR, he doesn't make this team. I think you're right about Galloway for the most part, but dude is playing because there is literally NO better choice.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:44 AM
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I heard they experimented with moving Carriker to the inside in the preseason and I would suggest that, of the three, he would be the guy at nose.

As for Alexander's contributions to teams, I agree, but they need this guy on defense. Find somebody else to fill his role on teams. Carter?

I'm not pulling the plug on AA. The guy has as much, if not more, speed as Galloway and he can block. The argument is moot if we continue to run the heavy package for 75% of the game with Moss being the loan wideout, which could work if they threw a little more underneath stuff to the tightends. In fact, I particularly like that matchup against Philly's linebackers and safeties.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Red, I just went and looked at the scene on YouTube and you're right...the white dude's daughters are clearly little black girls. Amazing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT-j_LSWM_A

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"...but Haslett is committed to his 3-4 Steelers-style defense. Two things that strike me is he needs more muscle with the front three, and he needs more speed with the linebackers."


The '46 bear' front I'm advocating is based on a 3-4 with three interior line overshifted to the offense
s strong side.

The linemen take gap control away and force the guard/center/onside tackle into double teams, thus freeing on inside 'backer to blitz, drift into coverage or support a weakside running play.

In any event, you occupy interior offensive linemen, and free up your linebackers.

The jets/stillers/ravens to this because they have either great 'backers (Woodley, Timmons, Harrison) corners (Cromartie, Revis) or talent (Suggs, Lewis) who demand attention as they wreck havoc.

We have two such players in Orakpo and Haynesworth: let's find ways to maximize their efforts by tinkering with the scheme.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

So can we agree that its been 2nd half blow outs on defense that gets us killed each time right?

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

If I remember how the Bear looks isn't it something like this?

---------FS-----SS
-------ILB--ILB--OLB
DB----OLB---DL-NT-DL----DB

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

alex35332,
yeah...that and us not being able to score in the second half... those things kill ya.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | September 29, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

stu, thats the hardest part of the 2nd half of the rams game to swallow...they were gashing the rams, and just completely went the other way....I need to move on I know, but, just so hard to figure...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

I keep pushing this because it is critical that the team establishes its running game. We were in the lead in the second half and just abandoned the run. The more important aspect of the run game is that it is what Dmac didnt have in philly and it will be critical to him staying healthy for the skins. The dude has already taken some brutal shots and were are passing it way to much. Torain looked great and I dont buy that CP is done like most people try to assume. He got one tough in the second half.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 29, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Because Lichtensteiger missed all of last year, HE entered"

Wonder if Dock's worth anything in a trade? Great Gibbs style blocker, less so Shanny.

Though do recall when he left that Portis lit into his ability a little, saying that Dock wasn't quick enough to successfully pull. That he's not working now isn't a huge surprise. Is it, Wilbon [who isn't surprised by anything]?

Posted by: WorstSeat | September 29, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Its like last wekk I said we really need to establish CP in the offense we need to give him 25= carriers and see what happens. Everyone jumped on me, maybe righfully so CP is old and may or may not hold up. But we need to at least find a way to distribute carriers to the other backs to allow our RBs to get 25-30 carriers in a game. Last week would have been a great time to do that. Eveyone keeps saying Shannys runnung attack is a given look at his history, well nothing is a given in the NFL.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 29, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

As for Alexander's contributions to teams, I agree, but they need this guy on defense. Find somebody else to fill his role on teams. Carter?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 8:52 AM


Carter's problem is he can't play in space. So putting him on special teams just makes him a liability there instead of on defense. Special teams TDs count for 6 points same as the ones we're giving up on defense, so all you're doing is moving the problem to another unit.

And I'm not "pulling the plug" on AA...just sayin' that he's not a remedy to the WR spot...long term or short term. Dude is 27...even IF he ends up being a player, it won't be for a couple years--around the age you start looking to replace him anyway. Right now he's a depth guy who had a good preseason, nothing more. You gotta think that if he were better than Galloway, he wouldn't be behind him on the depth chart.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Wheres Brandon Banks ?

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | September 29, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

At a Subway making my Italian foot-long.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 8:43 AM

If you get one from him, measure it. It will probably be only 9 or 10 inches. Also, make sure he doesn't drop it. One thing's for sure -- it will be the fastest sandwich ever. You can't coach speed.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

IMO the best 3 man DL would be AH, Bryant, Carriker.

I heard on 1067thefan, the Skins are auditioning Kivan Burton (sp), WR formerly of the Rams. I guess if you can't beat them.......

I am starting to think that the first half of this football year is a punt. It took awhile for the team to decide on a LG. Still working on the RB. Still looking for a WR rotation. DL and OLB not settled. The Skins are looking squarely in the face of a 1-6 start. But keep the faith Skins fans...remember the Marty years.

Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

alex

"So can we agree that its been 2nd half blow outs on defense that gets us killed each time right?"

Whereas I understand your point, I don't blame the defense for teams coming back against us in the second half of games.

First, NFL offenses are too good and the rules too weighed in their regard for any team to really be shut down for a complete game.

And with that being said, in each game this year, we've gone into the middle of the third quarter with a lead.

But we're 1-2 not because the defense breaks down, but because our offense is not salting away our lead with any kind of ball control--no consistent rushing/passing attack the chews up the clock.

Kyle Shanahan's playcalling in the 1st half is fine.

But in the 3rd quarter, the 'go for the jugular' deep passes that aren't completed create 2nd and longs and then, third and longs.

The inability to keep other offenses off the field with sustained long drives in the third quarter only gives other offenses chances to come back against our defense.

An eleven play scoring drive followed by an eight play drive eats a ton 'o time off the clock in the second half of games.

Kyle should use a mix of screens, draws, and short passes in lieu of a running game in the second half of games to sustain drives and keep the other offense off the field.

Yes, our defense has issues.

But it's not being helped when the offense keeps punting more than running the ball and running down the clock.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 all is well in dirty jerz. I hope all is well with you.

Posted by: jm220 | September 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

But keep the faith Skins fans...remember the Marty years.

Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM

Years? He only got one.

Posted by: MColeman51 | September 29, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Moe,

Yes I know offence and defense play off each other I was purposefully oversimplifying.

Now, that said, a good defense once we got the 2 point lead still should clamp down, and if the Offence gets 1 more TD we win that game.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 29, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

When Kemo was injured during training camp and Haynesworth was ghost, Carriker was the first team NT, so he would be our next option.

Anyone considered hypnotizing Haynesworth?
"You are getting sleepy."
"You will play NT without b*tchin like a little girlscout."
"You will not completely clear out the Chinese Buffet every Friday night."
"You will not knock-up any more strippers."
"On the count of 3, you will be an every down NT and good locker room presence, 1, 2, 3......."

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

brown, seeing how the board thinks that I view everything in literal black & white it's why I said that I'd be the only one to notice that.

Like a lot of parts in that movie, I found it funny as hell.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I am starting to think that the first half of this football year is a punt. It took awhile for the team to decide on a LG. Still working on the RB. Still looking for a WR rotation. DL and OLB not settled. The Skins are looking squarely in the face of a 1-6 start. But keep the faith Skins fans...remember the Marty years.

Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM


Exactly...that's why there shouldn't be any flipping out over the last 2 weeks. This is the exact perfect time for our opponents to play us because just like they don't know what to expect, we don't know what we're doing yet either. Everything is new, the roster is flawed, and we're counting on guys at key positions to rebound from season-ending injuries. We should look a lot better by December.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

alex

"Now, that said, a good defense once we got the 2 point lead still should clamp down, and if the Offence gets 1 more TD we win that game."


I wasn't trying to be critcal, and I apologize for coming off that way.

And you're right to say that an additional score (even another field goal) would've helped out the D.

But what I question is the philosophy of using admittedly slower, possession type receivers as deep threats late in games.

Galloway, Williams, Cooley, and Davis should be catching short to intermediate passes that 'move the chains' until the running game appears.

After all: the rams used their mediocre wide outs that way to win.

Why can't we?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning Fellow Die Hard 'Skin Fans,

Can someone refresh my memory?
Is there a distinction regarding the NFL's IR policy?

Something about 6 weeks?
Or am I mistaken, that once you are on IR, you are done for season and post-season?

Thanks.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 29, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

IMO the best 3 man DL would be AH, Bryant, Carriker.
Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse


I would like to see this. Wait AH is still on the te4am, what gives.

Also anyone else interested in maybe seeing Dirty 30 do a little QB spy on Vick this weekend. LIke when Vick was first int he league people would put a LB or safety and just key in on him, stay on him all game. I think with Landrys play so far this year it might be an option for this week.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 29, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"It was like, man, we're going to have to buckle down and change the way we're living."

I think MORE pro athletes should experience this.

Case in point from the post above:

"anyone hear about Dez Bryant taking the team out to dinner, and it costing him $55,000 dollars?? O U C H....."

He didn't take the team out, he took out the offense. Even if it was the team we're talking $1000 a head for dinner????

Ok, that's just nuts.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | September 29, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

IR means you are done for the year, no matter what time of the year you are put on it. Now at the beginning of the year you can put them on the PUP list, which is Physically Unable to Perform, they have to sit out the first 6 games then they can come back, but in order to be on the PUP list, you have to be put on the PUP list in Preseason, which is why Malcolm Kelly had to be put on IR. Hopefully not too confusing.

Oh, by the way:
Malcolm Kelly = Waste of a roster spot NERD

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to jump ship, but when they play as rudderlessly as the did this past week, when the coaching is as poor as it appeared to be, thats what causes me the most consternation, and concern..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I am starting to think that the first half of this football year is a punt. It took awhile for the team to decide on a LG. Still working on the RB. Still looking for a WR rotation. DL and OLB not settled. The Skins are looking squarely in the face of a 1-6 start. But keep the faith Skins fans...remember the Marty years.

Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM

Hope it's a punt and not a blocked punt.

Remember the Gibbs years, too. He started 0-5.

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

ray, it STARTED out as just the offense, but then blossomed to be the whole team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"I am starting to think that the first half of this football year is a punt."


I agree.

I think the idea is to force scheme, philosophy, and style on the team with the idea of adding and subtracting players who do or don't 'get it.'

Kansas City has re-built itself this way, right down to trading for a vet q-back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

brown, seeing how the board thinks that I view everything in literal black & white it's why I said that I'd be the only one to notice that.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2010 9:31 AM
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I think all of us see things in black and white on the message board - unless someone has found a way to post in color...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Maybe dumb ass Dez Bryant should have just carried Roy Williams pads and he wouldn't be out all that money. Thing I read said they were ordering bottle after bottle of expensive wine.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 29, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to jump ship, but when they play as rudderlessly as the did this past week, when the coaching is as poor as it appeared to be, thats what causes me the most consternation, and concern..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 29, 2010 9:40 AM

Never jump ship when they're rudderless -- they'll run you down.

What did we think of Gibbs as a coach when he went 0-5? Or Marty when he went 0-6? Did we say, "Wow these guys' coaching is flawless?"

I'm only asking this because I tried to look it up on the RI archives but the files have been deleted and you have a longer memory than I do. (Did we win the last game?)

Posted by: beep-beep | September 29, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

""You will not completely clear out the Chinese Buffet every Friday night."


Chinese buffet?

I eat at Great American, motherf&*#%!

Where's my pink lemonade so can take my baby aspirin? It reduces the risk of heart attacks, you know?


Disgruntled In D.C.,
Al Haynesworth

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Marty went 0-5, and then 5-0, which by my math is 5-5. Of course Dallas math would be 2+2=Have a drink Jerry!
Or, to get a quarter they take two dimes and a nickle together!

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Carter's problem is he can't play in space. So putting him on special teams just makes him a liability there instead of on defense. Special teams TDs count for 6 points same as the ones we're giving up on defense, so all you're doing is moving the problem to another unit.

And I'm not "pulling the plug" on AA...just sayin' that he's not a remedy to the WR spot...long term or short term. Dude is 27...even IF he ends up being a player, it won't be for a couple years--around the age you start looking to replace him anyway. Right now he's a depth guy who had a good preseason, nothing more. You gotta think that if he were better than Galloway, he wouldn't be behind him on the depth chart.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM
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Yeah, on second thought, I think Carter on special teams would be a bad idea. Still, there has to be someone on the roster who could fill his spot on special teams. I understand your comment about a six on teams is equal to a six on defense, but I would rate a starter on defense as a lot more important. The special teams guys have to get it right maybe a max of six times in a game, whereas the defense has to get it right thirty times...

As for AA, he was playing and then got hurt. He wasn't starting aehad of Galloway, but then, Lichtensteiger wasn't starting over Dockery at the start of the season, either. He had a shaky first game, but I think that was the new guy jitters. He'll settle down. I hope he is healthy enough to play this week. He sure as heck beats Roydell as a third receiver.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Alright, just a shot out of a canon here: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife...you gotta f*ck one, kill one, marry one. GO!
Posted by: brownwood26

One thing no one ever points out about this game: If you marry one of them you will eventually have to F her. That's the nature of marriage. So think really hard before you marry big fat Oprah for her money.

Posted by: NYPDee | September 29, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

take = tape

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

One thing no one ever points out about this game: If you marry one of them you will eventually have to F her. That's the nature of marriage.

Posted by: NYPDee | September 29, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Not according to Gary Coleman before he died. He was in a strange relationship, they would yell at each other and call the cops, I heard tapes of them in counseling and on Howard Stern. He was the true 40 year old virgin, he maybe even died a virgin.

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe dumb ass Dez Bryant should have just carried Roy Williams pads and he wouldn't be out all that money."

Posted by: ToddStinkston


Almost sure that Dez Bryant wipes his ass with 50 grand.


Really not a story to make public in these economic times. You've got people who don't sniff anywhere near that on their job(s), hell you got people with NO job at all, so to pull a 50K prank based on "principles" may rub a good many of John and Jane Q. citizens the wrong way. Just my opinion.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 29, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

One thing no one ever points out about this game: If you marry one of them you will eventually have to F her. That's the nature of marriage. So think really hard before you marry big fat Oprah for her money.


Posted by: NYPDee | September 29, 2010 9:58 AM


You've obviously never been married...if had, you'd know that all the sex comes BEFORE you're married and you get it about once every Haley's Comet thereafter...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

IMO the best 3 man DL would be AH, Bryant, Carriker.
Posted by: TWISI | September 29, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see this. Wait AH is still on the te4am, what gives.

Also anyone else interested in maybe seeing Dirty 30 do a little QB spy on Vick this weekend. LIke when Vick was first int he league people would put a LB or safety and just key in on him, stay on him all game. I think with Landrys play so far this year it might be an option for this week.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 29, 2010 9:35 AM
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I would rather see them run something like the nickel with Barnes dedicated to Vick. Then I would like to see Barnes drop the hammer on Vick a few times like he did that running back in college (was it Best?).

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Punting auditions scheduled for Tuesday

Well- what happened? Was there a follow up story that I missed?

Posted by: RedskinsNow | September 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Could of had a T O.

Posted by: dmlopez1 | September 29, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The team lacks cohesive thinking from top to bottom..They are trying to rebuild, but need to maintain the illusion of a contendor by picking up McNabb, to fill the seats , sell jerseys , etc...Haslett's defense flat out SUCKS, even though it is loaded with talent on paper..Shanahan's stubborn treatment of Haynesworth and Devin Thomas shows an ego over team mentality (but moving Haynesworth out makes sense in the long run)..Run game issues were inadequately addressed with splash signings of Johnson and Parker- signings of decent o-lineman would have made infinitely more sense..I think that if push comes to shove, it would be better for this team to finish 6-10 than 8-8, to move up in the draft bracket..Look for the team to choke at the end of the year to raise its status in the draft, and Danny can writhe like a blowfly maggot in a beached whale in off-season ecstacy again..

Posted by: frak | September 29, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Alright, just a shot out of a canon here: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife...you gotta f*ck one, kill one, marry one. GO!"

Let's let each woman explain why she'd be a better choice:

Barbara Walters: I'm old, well-known and have media-power connections that'll make you a star.

moe: Sorry, I don't like old chicks.

Oprah: I might be gay, so me you, and Gayle can 'get together' and count my money in a late night drunken sleep over.

moe: Sorry, the only thing I believe in sharing is my lower level body fluid, so I'll pass on a menage a trois relationship.

mrsmoe: You'd pass up money and wild sex for me?

You're a fool to pass up on money and respect for me.

I'd marry Barbara and cheat on her with Oprah.

moe: Well, what about me?

mrsmoe snarky: Well, what about you?

You don't like old chicks.

And I don't like dumb-azzed n@ggas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 29, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Start Ryan Torain at Running back, Trent gets back in there, get rid of Joey Galloway, start Albert Haynesworth and problem solved.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Start Ryan Torain at Running back, Trent gets back in there, get rid of Joey Galloway, start Albert Haynesworth and problem solved.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 10:15 AM


Good call...that'll fix Carter being out of position, the mediocrity in the interior offensive line, and Kemo's inability to push the pocket. Your list and a bag of fairy dust should get us to 14-2 with no problem...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Start Ryan Torain at Running back, Trent gets back in there, get rid of Joey Galloway, start Albert Haynesworth and problem solved.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

They said the plan is to have Torain in on 1st and 2nd and CP on 3rd. I can live with that if they actually feed either of them the ball. Torain has great hands to so the screen and dump off pass is always there.

Posted by: Stu27 | September 29, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Barbara Walters = B*tchy NERD that talks with a lisp.

Posted by: monk811 | September 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Good call...that'll fix Carter being out of position, the mediocrity in the interior offensive line, and Kemo's inability to push the pocket. Your list and a bag of fairy dust should get us to 14-2 with no problem...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

It definitely won't fix your jerkness.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Start Ryan Torain at Running back, Trent gets back in there, get rid of Joey Galloway, start Albert Haynesworth and problem solved.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 10:15 AM
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Check, check, check, but could you add starting Alexander in place of Carter to your checklist?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning Fellow Die Hard 'Skin Fans,

Can someone refresh my memory?
Is there a distinction regarding the NFL's IR policy?

Something about 6 weeks?
Or am I mistaken, that once you are on IR, you are done for season and post-season?

Thanks.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | September 29, 2010 9:34 AM |

I think that if you are on the PUP list at the beginning of the season (camp) then you can be put on the PUP and be eligible after 6 weeks. Ir and you're down for the season.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Every time I think of Barbara Wawa, I think of her report on the Mossad demolition team posing as movers jumping up and down on the moving truck while the WTC demolished in the background, and saying, "These are terwible, terwible allegations and we will invesitigate this further"..And of course, not a word followed that cosmic blip of video..

Think of that and her giving power-hed to Kissinger..

Posted by: frak | September 29, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Barbara Walters = Elmer Fudd = Lou Holtz

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Start Ryan Torain at Running back, Trent gets back in there, get rid of Joey Galloway, start Albert Haynesworth and problem solved.

Posted by: iH8dallas | September 29, 2010 10:15 AM

Good call...that'll fix Carter being out of position, the mediocrity in the interior offensive line, and Kemo's inability to push the pocket. Your list and a bag of fairy dust should get us to 14-2 with no problem...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 10:20 AM
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Man, that was some beep-beep level snarkiness. Speaking of beeps, didn't he already point out today that your answer to the team's problems is to "kick the tires" on about a dozen or so free agents? Whoa. I guess free agent fairy dust is better than that cheap fairy dust IH8 uses...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Barbara Walters = B*tchy NERD that talks with a lisp.
Posted by: monk811

That's why paper bags were invented. What, you thought they were for groceries?

Posted by: NYPDee | September 29, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

We can hope for a great defense, or Shanahan can simply end his stance with Haynesworth, until then, expect more of the same defense. Is it Sunday yet? Is it Sunday yet? Is it Sunday yet? Can't wait for another punishment, getting used to it.

Posted by: abxinc | September 29, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Lichtensteiger sucks....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 29, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

You're right, RSH...I guess beep is rubbing off on me...not good...

I probably let myself get annoyed by the idea that we're a couple of simple fixes from being good and we're not. Both lines need to be overhauled further and we don't have a single playmaker on offense outside of #5. Any major headway we make won't happen in 2010 and to expect it to is only setting one's self up for disappointment.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

We can hope for a great defense, or Shanahan can simply end his stance with Haynesworth, until then, expect more of the same defense. Is it Sunday yet? Is it Sunday yet? Is it Sunday yet? Can't wait for another punishment, getting used to it.

Posted by: abxinc | September 29, 2010 10:42 AM


Again...the only way getting AH on the field changes anything is if he plays NT, two LB spots, and morphs into an elite cover CB. Oh, and then there's the little problem of him NOT WANTING TO PLAY HARD.

This team has multiple holes...there's no simple fix that will happen overnight.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Again...the only way getting AH on the field changes anything is if he plays NT, two LB spots, and morphs into an elite cover CB. Oh, and then there's the little problem of him NOT WANTING TO PLAY HARD.

This team has multiple holes...there's no simple fix that will happen overnight.


Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2010 11:06 AM |

I somewhat disagree. AH can be effective if a) he plays NT and goes straight up the field. Maake gets no push, we know AH can. b) same deal if he plays DE. He's mgot to stop picking a side and push straight forward. Those things either collapse the pocket or at least keep the middle clogged and stop the run up the middle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 29, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

the red snapper is a charger... wtf!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | September 29, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

F Barbara Walters admit it you wouldn't mind splatterin her face. Marry Oprah, you'll need the money for your defense in the murder trial

mt perfect D :Carter, haynesworth and Daniels up front, alexander, Mcintosh, fletch, Orakpo at LB
the perfect offense. single back tw3o tight end sets, are they running are they passing? you never know

Posted by: nflorida1 | September 29, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

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