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Redskins lineman Mike Williams expected to miss season because of blood clots

Veteran Washington Redskins offensive lineman Mike Williams, who overcame weight problems to become a valuable member of the unit in his first season with the team, is expected to miss the 2010 season because of blood clots near his heart, two people familiar with the situation said late Friday night.

Williams, projected to compete for a starting spot at right guard, was hospitalized recently because the problem, the team sources said. Although Williams has been released from the hospital, the organization is concerned that his condition could be career-threatening and likely will keep him off the field for at least the upcoming season, which gets underway July 29 when the team begins its first training camp under Coach Mike Shanahan.

Williams did not immediately return a text message to his cellphone Friday night. Speaking on behalf of the organization, Tony Wyllie, Redskins senior vice president, declined to comment on Williams's medical status.

The loss of Williams would be a significant blow to an offensive line in transition in the Redskins' first season under Shanahan, who also is the head of the team's football operation. Considered a bust as a tackle after being drafted in the first round by the Buffalo Bills, Williams resurrected his career after being moved to guard with the Redskins last season.

Williams, 30, has a promising future in the league as a guard, Shanahan said shortly after taking control of the organization. The former University of Texas all-American was expected to compete with newcomer Artis Hicks at right guard, and probably would have played considerably even if he filled a reserve role.

The fourth overall pick in the 2002 draft, Williams had been out of football for two seasons and last played in the 2005 regular season before the Redskins signed him as a free agent before the 2009 season. He struggled in pass protection at tackle but provided a physical presence at guard. Shanahan and his staff liked what they saw on film and the team rewarded Williams with a two-year contract.

After weighting about 410 pounds when he joined Washington, Williams last month said he was down to about 330. During the team's offseason program, Williams served as a mentor to rookie left tackle Trent Williams, whom the Redskins selected fourth overall in the three-day April draft.

By Jason Reid  |  July 10, 2010; 12:27 AM ET
Categories:  Offensive line  
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Bad news for BMW and bad news for the OL. Hicks is definitely now the starter and Rhino is now the backup.

Makes the trade for Brown even more important now.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Best of luck to BMW!!!!!

Posted by: skinhead62 | July 10, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Take 75 mg of Clopidogrel QD and get your weight south of 300lbs. Nothing good comes from being 400+, he's actually lucky to be alive and needs to worry about making it to 2011 instead of playing next year.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

We all routin' for ya big mike.

Posted by: MajorFacemask | July 10, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Tough break for BMW as far as football goes. Best of luck to him.. As far as the Skins go, it hurts the depth but there are options on the team or that will become available as camp battles are decided.

Posted by: TWISI | July 10, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Terrible news for what was already a weakness. Too bad, I liked this storyline

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | July 10, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

At least they found it in time to save his life. Good to see he's ok and even better that he already started loosing a bunch of weight. From a football standpoint it sucks because Williams could have been on par with Leonard Davis as a Guard. On the bright side we get to keep another young Guard that would have been released otherwise.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 10, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Can't believe there are some here that are suggesting that the LeFu_kface hate has to do with anything else but him being a self-serving, arrogant jackass. All over the country people are RIPPING this guy, but because it's done up here (even before this whole "Decision" started), suddenly Wizards fans are doing it because he dispatched them three straight playoff appearances? Man, GTFOH with that sh*t. Only time the Wizards stood a chance beating Cleveland in the playoffs was back in 2006, and TWO of those games were won by Cleveland on clear traveling calls.

No self respecting Wizards fan could care less about a playoff series from 4 years ago. All the Lebron hate has to do with him being a narc toolbag. To suggest anything else you're either a) a fan of Lebron or b) just going with the prevailing sentiment just for the sake of doing so.

Wizards fans knew back when what was up with that punk ass MoFo... it just took the rest of the NBA world to catch up. And now that they have, yes, I take ultimate joy in reading and watching people line up to take shots at him.

And one more thing: All great players are arrogant and self-indulged. It what makes them who they are. Kobe was, MJ was...

But Lebron is a b*tch made actor deuchebag, who'll rather put out this act job to the masses like he's a genuine, good hearted, real dude.

And nothing can be further from the truth.

If you're going to act like an all about me ass, then fine, do you and keep it 100. But don't have that personality or way of going about yours and then when the cameras are rolling you put on the Hollywood face.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 10:59 PM |

You're full of sh!t as usual. You've been cryin' about LeBron way before all this BS. So how is it suddenly. You've always been cryin' about it. Now you can just pretend that it's because of this and feel righteous. Whateves dude. Hate him, don't hate him, I don't care. Just don't pretend it's because he's arrogant and then come to Kobe's defense at the drop of a hat. He's arrogant to. And to pull some BS like "Well at least he doesn't try to pretend he's not" is just plain see through. You pretend to be hard and you're not, so I guess that makes you an arrogant dooshbag too. Oh, and I thought you said the prevailing sentiment was that "the whole country" is bashing him. So which one is it? Funny thing is you're so full of sh!t you don't even make sense. You contradict yourself in your own rant. Retarded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 10, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Major, and scary, deal for BMW. Whether he's playing football again or not, here's hoping BMW makes a full recovery

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 10, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes BMW. I hope you get better soon.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 10, 2010 2:27 AM | Report abuse


Sad. The Big guy looked like he was on his way back. Fortunately, one hopes, they've caught it in time, and he can be treated. Football is secondary.

Posted by: TheCork | July 10, 2010 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Be Well Big Mike.

Good thing Redskins have some adults in charge and will have players to compete along the Oline.

On the whole LeBron thing.

What a flaming b i t ch, with the whole drama queen souped up suspense show that fizzled like a wet firecracker that never went bang. The beauty of this story is that cleveland gets clevelanded like cleveland always gets, hahaha

lebron proves he is basically sackless "i don't have to score 30 a night"... in nba circles THAT is sackless, and i beleive the various reports leaking out that he is SOFT. The way his playoff exits of the last two years went down make it pretty obvious as well... the king abdicated his supposed crown twice in a row

And the cleveland owner completely overplays his attempt at rallying the fans "we are still gonna be in it to win it" and goes off on a "that dude boned my girlfriend" 9th grader rant to make himself look like the owner of a team from cleveland. Bwaaahahahahaha.

The whole episode was awesome, in a sophomoric, fascinated by a flaming nascar wreck or live deathcam kinda way. Time to hose the blood and carcass of this suicide bomber loser fest story off the main page and move onto something that matters.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 10, 2010 2:46 AM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/lebron-james-chasing-celebrity-not-championships-070910

HaHa Jason Whitlock wrote a masterpiece and even included a doctored photo to make lebron look like a clown.

Whitlock always speaks rationally and intelligently. This proves how much he understands and speaks for all of us fans.

Posted by: Risa_L | July 10, 2010 3:05 AM | Report abuse

Too bad for a guy who was really trying. I wish him well in his recovery. I read that Hicks was going to slide inside in Big Mike's spot, so this means the team is effectively losing a backup guard. I don't think they need to rush right out and sign a player; however, I have always thought they were going too light at tackle. Maybe they can use this opportunity to sign (or more likely trade for) a decent backup at offensive tackle who has the versatility to play guard.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 10, 2010 6:53 AM | Report abuse

It's smart for BMW to be cautious, and I'm hoping we keep hearing about his progress and recovery. No doubt it's a risky situation, but can't blood clots be removed surgically? Anyone here a heart surgeon?

It's slow season in football-land, but this Lebron James flame war is getting old. My .02¢

Posted by: SonofNero | July 10, 2010 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Greetings:

Please be well BMW and know we are ALL pulling for YOU!!! Get your weight under control, live long, live well... We wish you the best Mike.

Bob Schnebly
www.bobschnebly.com

Posted by: StarLyrara | July 10, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't work that way, SonofNero.

They insert a filter (think coffee filter or window screen) between the clots and the heart to make sure that no part of the clot breaks off and travels anywhere that will kill you, then they load you up on blood thinners to break up the clot. Blood thinners = no NFL for you.

Posted by: mariam2 | July 10, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Good thing he lost a lot of weight and got into great shape. So unfortunate that he was makinig such promise and now can't play. It has to be tough to swallow.

But, I think we have to go out and sign Adams or someone. This hurt our OLine badly. Major blow to a shaky OLine. We always seem to have bad luck with our OLine.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | July 10, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I will say a prayer for you tonight Mike. Hope all goes well.

Posted by: Veretax | July 10, 2010 8:00 AM | Report abuse

"Bad news for BMW and bad news for the OL. Hicks is definitely now the starter and Rhino is now the backup. posted by Diese44"

Hicks is the starter, but is Rhinehart really the backup?

"Take 75 mg of Clopidogrel QD and get your weight south of 300lbs. Nothing good comes from being 400+, he's actually lucky to be alive and needs to worry about making it to 2011 instead of playing next year.Posted by: Diesel44"

If the clots were close to the heart, then the outcome could have been a lot worse than a missed football season. But put him on Plavix?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't work that way, SonofNero.

They insert a filter (think coffee filter or window screen) between the clots and the heart to make sure that no part of the clot breaks off and travels anywhere that will kill you, then they load you up on blood thinners to break up the clot. Blood thinners = no NFL for you.

Posted by: mariam2

Thanks. Sad news, but thanks.

Posted by: SonofNero | July 10, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Get better Big Mike.

Life is funny that way, just when you start turning your life around; somebody upstairs throws a curveball at you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 10, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

BMW may have played his last football game . Blood clots are killers and I have no doudt that they came from all that fried greasy crap thae we all love to eat
" the fried chicken will kill ya" There are many pi;;s that will cure this but this will be a problem from here on out . Blood clots can come back . Right now BMW will be changing his diet and changing his habits . With correct eating habits this can be resolved . Hopefully we can get him back after our super bowl party in 2010 . I feel as though BMW would make a great back up he can play Og / OT as well . Best of luck Mike I will keep you in my prayers . Please follow your doctors orders other wise this could effect the entire team as did # 21 RIP , we all love ya BMW now do the dang thing

Posted by: terryreece | July 10, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

"Bad news for BMW and bad news for the OL. Hicks is definitely now the starter and Rhino is now the backup. posted by Diese44"

Hicks is the starter, but is Rhinehart really the backup?

"Take 75 mg of Clopidogrel QD and get your weight south of 300lbs. Nothing good comes from being 400+, he's actually lucky to be alive and needs to worry about making it to 2011 instead of playing next year.Posted by: Diesel44"

If the clots were close to the heart, then the outcome could have been a lot worse than a missed football season. But put him on Plavix?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 8:01 AM
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You can put someone on blood thinners for awhile, perhaps put a filter in a major artery to catch the bad stuff, but you haven't really addressed the issue of why the clots formed in the first place. I mean, this is not normal. It is like the oil in your car turning into jelly. I hope it is not true, but this could be an indication of a larger problem and it could be the end of his career.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 10, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

A man's life is worth more than a man's career. Kudos to the Redskins medical staff for their wise decision.

Posted by: A1965bigdog | July 10, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

A man's life is worth more than a man's career. Kudos to the Redskins medical staff for their wise decision.

Posted by: A1965bigdog | July 10, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

A man's life is worth more than a man's career. Kudos to the Redskins medical staff for their wise decision.

Posted by: A1965bigdog | July 10, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 10:59 PM |


Here, here, Red.

LeBrat is a big tool. Those of us around here have seen it for years. And now it was outed on national TV.

It has nothing to do with playoffs - the Wizards deserved to get bounced from the playoffs all those years. I don't hate LeTool or the Cavs for doing that.

This poser has a "Chosen One" tatoo across his own back??? Are you serious? Could you imagine in a million years MJ getting an "Air Jordan" tatoo on his back...particularly when he's won NOTHING?!

The King?? Of What? He has no crown and now no kingdom. If he wants to ride Dwayne Wade's coat-tails to a couple rings in Miami, then that's his prerogative. But one would expect the Chosen King to display at least an ounce of class, maturity and thoughtfulness about it - not some 3-ring circus with Stu Scott, Wilbon and Jim Gray asking questions about biting his nails.

The only thing missing was Bobo the Clown juggling in the background making balloon animals for kids in the audience - of course if they did that then lawyers and promoters for "Team LeBron" wouldn't hesitate to issue a media statement highlighting the fact that they hired a clown b/c LeBrokenDownInThePlayoffs is all about the children...

Posted by: p1funk | July 10, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I hope he continues to keep the pounds off for the sake of his life and his family.

I'm guessing that if you have clots near your heart you won't survive lap-band surgery so he's going to have to keep the pounds off the hard way.

Major Harris never played in the NFL because of blood clots in his leg.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | July 10, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

When you consider everything that BMW has been through over the past couple years health-wise, it's hard to imagine him being able to sustain the rigors of playing pro football. Eventually something somewhere starts to breakdown.

He gave it a nice run. Instead of being remembered as a 4th overall bust, he took the opportunity to work his tail off and show he was much more than that, and I hope he can feel some satisfaction in that.

Posted by: p1funk | July 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I hope he recovers, but I wonder is this is a kind of career ending condition?

Posted by: ozpunk | July 10, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I've got a different slant on this. This is OUTSTANDING news for BMW. Picture this: A year ago, an obese former OL at 400+ pounds is four years out of football. The following year he dies from blood clots near his heart.

Instead: BMW gets his life in order, comes back to football, and BMW and the Redskins are part of a turnaround story little thought possible. They find a blood clot that most certainly wouldnt have been found and BMW now has a chance to LIVE for many years to come!

Congratulations, BMW. You took control of your life, came back to the glory for which you were known, and have set your life straight. If there is a glimmer of medical hope to come back, I am sure you will find it and make it happen. The Redskins will be with you all the way.

If not, and your career is over, you have learned a life lesson that few learn: hit adversity, fail, come back, and CONQUER! Take that attitude to all other areas of life and you will have a rich fulfilling existence.

GOOD LUCK MIKE and thanks for being inspirational!

Posted by: grandstrand | July 10, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

No more than an informed guess, but logically, this may be a pulmonary embolus. People can form clots, typically in the lower legs, that travel to the pulmonary arteries. When these arteries become occluded ( blocked ), it can be life threatening.

The treatment for this condition is heparin ( blood thinners ). Some people who are prone to clots end with what is called an IVC ( inferior vena cava ) filter, to prevent clots from traveling to the pulmonary arteries.

Whether this is the case or not, we all wish BMW a rapid and safe recovery. He's a great story, I admire him.

Posted by: bostskin | July 10, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Terrible news, but if the team thinks they want to play it safe with BMW, watch him close if he still isn't cleared medically by the cuts IR him.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 10, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Nice story J Reid however, let's not make it so dire and what I mean is this is a considerable blow to the O-line. Give me a break Shanahan and Allen have stocked up on lineman plus Mike had got pushed back to 2nd string to this point. So there is no need for articles like this claiming the sky is falling because a backup lineman will have to sit the year out, there are more on the team and other's to bring in if necessary I mean it is still only early July it's not as if the season were in full motion and he was a key starter. On a final note get well Big Mike health is far more important than a game!

Posted by: papaskynz | July 10, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

GET WELL BMW! THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT LENTHS THAT YOU WENT TO OF LOOSING ALL THAT WEIGHT AND GIVING US FANS ANOTHER REASON TO HOPE!!!! WE HOPE YOU GET WELL AND LIVE TO OLD AGE!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear it, Big Mike. You were a favorite of mine on the line. Hope you can pull through and I hope the Skins take good care of you for all the hard work you put in this and last year. Stay up, bro.

Posted by: ericroks | July 10, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I hope Mike gets healthy. As for the Skins, I imagine we will start hearing the excuses early and often now even though Mike wasnt going to make a difference.

Posted by: hughesbob19 | July 10, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

"the organization is concerned that his condition could be career-threatening "

Actually, the condition is LIFE threatening. Jeez.

Posted by: Vosora | July 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I've got a different slant on this. This is OUTSTANDING news for BMW. Picture this: A year ago, an obese former OL at 400+ pounds is four years out of football. The following year he dies from blood clots near his heart.

Instead: BMW gets his life in order, comes back to football, and BMW and the Redskins are part of a turnaround story little thought possible. They find a blood clot that most certainly wouldnt have been found and BMW now has a chance to LIVE for many years to come!

Congratulations, BMW. You took control of your life, came back to the glory for which you were known, and have set your life straight. If there is a glimmer of medical hope to come back, I am sure you will find it and make it happen. The Redskins will be with you all the way.

If not, and your career is over, you have learned a life lesson that few learn: hit adversity, fail, come back, and CONQUER! Take that attitude to all other areas of life and you will have a rich fulfilling existence.

GOOD LUCK MIKE and thanks for being inspirational!

Posted by: grandstrand | July 10, 2010 9:47 AM

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I couldn't have said it any better!!

Good luck Mike!

Posted by: FootballCardSnatcher | July 10, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Bad news for a good guy. Best wishes BMW -- and Hook'em!

Posted by: garrena1 | July 10, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes to BMW. It's a shame that a guy did all the right things to get healthy and now has a blood clot.

Posted by: MadeRED | July 10, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about this. BMW is lucky -- he did not need surgery or catheterization. But he will be feeling much better soon.

Too much medical speculation in the comments. Not enough details from BMW's doctors (we would like to know what symptoms BMW noticed). They did not use the word 'embolism', a blood clot that moves through the blood vessels, causing damage far from where it formed. Blood clots can form in almost any blood vessel. They are most dangerous in the coronary arteries (on the heart), in the lungs, and in the brain.

As for the medications: Heparin actually breaks up blood clots; it is dangerous, and is given intravenously, so you are stuck in a hospital bed for a coupla days. Coumarin (aka warfarin) and Plavix (aka clopidogrel), colloquially 'blood thinners', prevent clots from forming. This means that scratches and bruises heal very very slowly. A serious injury could mean heavy blood loss. The prescription will include no elective surgery, no contact sports, while taking the drug.

In a few weeks BMW can probably return to the weight room, the treadmill, and the exercise bike -- this time to lose the fat, not to build up the muscles.

(Reid, it would help if you asked a cardiologist to enlighten us. I am speaking from my own personal medical experience, but I am only a layman.)

Posted by: SoloOwl | July 10, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

HOOD LUCK BMW

Posted by: robertg238 | July 10, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

can anyone tell me the condition of shane andrews

Posted by: robertg238 | July 10, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

good luck bmw sorry

Posted by: robertg238 | July 10, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

good luck bmw sorry

Posted by: robertg238 | July 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

MAN I HOPE THING WORK OUT FOR YOU MR.WILLIAMS!

So you still thank this team has a chance this year?

Posted by: SOLVBACK | July 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, this sounds like part of the consequences of having such massive men playing these days. These days in order to be a top flight offensive tackle or guard players often have to be over 320 or 330 lbs. Even starting centers are now commonly over 300 lbs. Humans are generally not designed to naturally carry that kind of weight and the type of guys who are able to carry 320-330+ athletically often have the kind of frames that gain and carry tremendous amounts of weight, especially once their playing days are done. I remember 25 years ago when the Redskins starting DT Dave Butz was a freak of nature at 6'7" and 295 lbs. Then the Fridge came into the league busting through the 300+ pound threshold and it's climbed steadily ever since. Frankly I'm surprised more of these enormous guys don't have BMW's health issues though I would guess many of them deal with this after they retire. I wonder how Gilbert Brown is doing these days?

Best of luck to Williams not just in getting his football career back but his LIFE back.

Posted by: nvamikeyo | July 10, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Wish BMW the best. He should probably hang up the cleats and work on losing as much weight as possible.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad the Lord saw fit to avert a tragedy, by letting the doctors find this condition ahead of time. I wish Mike Williams all the best.

Posted by: john24 | July 10, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"A man's life is worth more than a man's career."


What more can anyone say?

Mike Williams, go live your life.

Leave the Sunday afternoon games alone, they will always be there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Best of luck to BMW

I believe that actual blockage was an intact buffalo wing stuck near the heart, not a clot

Carbon dating has traced the wing back to 1997. It was a TGIF wing from preliminary analysis

Posted by: Peaceful2009 | July 10, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

This is a real downer for BMW. He worked so hard to make his comeback, so I don't count him out for 2011. Just hope he gets his health back.

But as they say, one man's loss is another man's gain. This does open up a slot for another OL. Who will it be? Rino was probably going to make the team anyway. Kory Lichtensteiger was the first UFA signed by MS, so he may step up. And maybe one of our draftees, either Capers or Cook, will show enough promise to make the roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 10, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

And speaking of dooooosssshhhhes,
lebron gets major 'tard points for no other reason than hiring that smarmy lil beeyotch jim gray. Guy is a major league tool, and generally deserves a swift crack in the mellon upon sight.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 10, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

jenny3prince@yahoo.com

Posted by: fakedude1 | July 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Thanx JASNO, even bad news is preferable to none. Glad to see you're refreshed from your blog slumbers.

And in regard to the subject of this particular article - damm, just damm.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 10, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Damn... who saw that coming... Broken leg, torn ACL, torn muscle... nope... blood clots... WOW!!

Man, such a shame for a guy who probably had to work harder than anyone on the team the last 2 years just to hold a roster spot. Get well soon BMW!!!

Hope one of the 7th round rooks steps up to the plate & surprises to be a capable backup.

Posted by: tony325 | July 10, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I really thought that BMW was going to turn it around this year and surprise many people. I guess I'll never know now. I really glad that the Docs were able to catch this before something really bad happened.

Posted by: Rod5 | July 10, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:27 AM

ditto... life is full of strange twists, make the most of it.

football is just a game.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 10, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

football is just a game.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 10, 2010 12:50 PM

This is true for those of us who watch it. For Mike Williams it was about the only job he ever had and was how he was planning to build a nest egg for his family. This is a really sad chapter in what could have been -- and may yet be -- a great story.

Hope Jason Reid will post Mike's reaction to the news and more details of Mike's prognosis.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 10, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

hi peeker, glad to see I have a fan here on RI.

not sure how you make your living, but lots of people who aren't pro athletes encounter similar issues... with far fewer resources.

in the bigger picture, consider global discrepancies in standard of living.

wish BMW well, but ultimately it really is just a game played for way more money than most people in this world will ever see.

enjoy your day, glorious sunny w/ high temps ca. 80 degrees here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 10, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

This gives Lichtensteiger a chance to move up IMO. The BMW story is a good one full of inspirational feel-good stuff, but the game/team moves on.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 10, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand why the North american People call this sport "football" when the players use his hand to play. the only football its the football international because the player use his foot not his had. I think we should change the name of the american football an call it handball, fight ball or hug ball becuase the players use his hand, hug the ball. so on

Posted by: ridoperez | July 10, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Yikes! Looks like BMW dodged a bullet there.

Here's a funny one I just saw on CNN. The United Arab Emirites has banned Vuvuzela's:

"The government of the United Arab Emirates has prohibited the public use of loud vuvuzelas, the horns made popular by World Cup fans.

It said any vuvuzelas louder than 100 decibels will be forbidden in stadiums because that level could damage the ear, going against the Islamic ruling of "never do or cause any harm."


...The Islamic ruling of "Never do or cause any harm?" Wow, smells like somebody accidentally stepped in a steaming pile hypocrisy here or something.

Posted by: edvar | July 10, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

terry baker, the heisman trophy winner gets my vote for alltime QB bust.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 10, 2010 12:04 AM |

Olive Oyl, Popeye's squeeze, gets my vote for the alltime bust bust.

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing it would be better if the fans just hijacked an airliner and crashed it into the stadium instead...

Posted by: edvar | July 10, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Williams, projected to compete for a starting spot at right guard, was hospitalized recently because the problem, the team sources said.

Sure glad they caught it when they did.

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

...The Islamic ruling of "Never do or cause any harm?" Wow, smells like somebody accidentally stepped in a steaming pile hypocrisy here or something.

Posted by: edvar | July 10, 2010 2:01 PM |

I thought it was "Never do or cause any ham".

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow, smells like somebody accidentally stepped in a steaming pile hypocrisy here or something.

Posted by: edvar | July 10, 2010 2:01 PM |

How is the pile going to be steaming when the temps outside are flirting with 100 degs?

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

horrible news... huge blow... bmw is a fist class guy!!!! get well big guy!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | July 10, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

enjoy your day, glorious sunny w/ high temps ca. 80 degrees here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 10, 2010 1:31 PM

From the "one cow's meat is another man's poison" department:

Here it's a glorious day, but not for sun. We're getting the first rain in nearly a month and the drought has damaged corn and soy crops where fields are not irrigated. Much happiness is this rain -- long may it wave!

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 10, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

LeBrat is a big tool. Those of us around here have seen it for years. And now it was outed on national TV.

Posted by: p1funk | July 10, 2010 9:40 AM |

In the vanity dept he appears to have set up camp in A-Rod territory. The old A-Rod that is. The newer version seems to have matured.

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"I can't understand why the North american People call this sport "football" when the players use his hand to play. the only football its the football international because the player use his foot not his had. I think we should change the name of the american football an call it handball, fight ball or hug ball becuase the players use his hand, hug the ball. so onPosted by: ridoperez"

I was watching the World Cup and wondering why they call it 'football' instead of 'fall-down-and-pretend-to-hurt-ball', because they spend so much time doing the latter.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Agree with those who said getting back into football probably saved Mike Williams' life. And that he needs now to lose perhaps another 100 lbs. Perhaps he needs to get with another Williams from Texas, Ricky. Aum, dudes.

Posted by: skinfanman | July 10, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

The good thing about being on blood thinners is they advise you not to eat broccoli, spinach, or Brussels sprouts. (Vitamin K is a clotting agent).

BMW can still have chicken wings, but can't chase 'em down with a beer.

Clots are still a mystery. You could weigh 800 pounds and they'd ask family history? Been on a plane?

Coumadin is made from pig entrails in real crystal-meth fashion. Wish I could find a picture.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 10, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand why the North american People call this sport "football" when the players use his hand to play. the only football its the football international because the player use his foot not his had. I think we should change the name of the american football an call it handball, fight ball or hug ball becuase the players use his hand, hug the ball.

Posted by: ridoperez | July 10, 2010 1:33 PM |

Football, the American kind, is a misnomer more because of the "ball" root in t he word than the "foot" root. The American game is played with an object that is in the shape of something called a vesica piscis, or the intersection of two spheres. All other sports play with a true "ball", a spheroid. Rugby plays with something called a prolate spheroid, which looks-wise is closer to a vesica piscis than your run-of-the-mill spheroid, a 3D circle. So while you may object to the use of the word "football" because of the "foot" root in the word, the "ball" root in the word is even worse in terms of being true to what the game is. The game is played with the feet, just not exclusively, but it certainly is not played with a "ball". So better to call the game footvesicapiscis than your suggestion of handball, fight ball or hug ball.

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I was watching the World Cup and wondering why they call it 'football' instead of 'fall-down-and-pretend-to-hurt-ball', because they spend so much time doing the latter.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 2:34 PM |

You must have missed the Skins game where fan fave AH was stretched out flat on the turf. The had to call in a cart to get him off the field and then a few plays later the dud trotts back on the field like nothing ever happened.

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Good luck BMW.

Keep fightin off that weight n ur body will take care of you.

The trade for brown is lookin even more like a steal

If the Saints held onto brown for another month they coulda got a lot more in return.

From either the Steelers or Us with this new hit to the OL

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 10, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Right now BMW will be changing his diet and changing his habits . With correct eating habits this can be resolved . Hopefully we can get him back after our super bowl party in 2010"

Reality is, if he eats the way he needs to get healthy and live out his life, he will never play again because he will lose too much weight to be an O-lineman. He made a little dough last year and if he is on the IR this year he gets paid again. Big Mike follow the diet and put your college education to work learning to do something else. It was a valiant effort but unfortunately you started it too late, sooner or later the chickens come home to roost as they say, and this time it is blood clots for you.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | July 10, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

You must have missed the Skins game where fan fave AH was stretched out flat on the turf. The had to call in a cart to get him off the field and then a few plays later the dud trotts back on the field like nothing ever happened.

Posted by: ItsMeorYou | July 10, 2010 3:48 PM

I heard that one of the reasons Fat Albert has requested a trade is that he was promised a cart would be at his disposal to chaufer him on and off the field every time he goes in or comes out of the game.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 10, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

thoughts and prayers go out to big mike, hope he can get well soon!!! bad hit for depth now.. maybe we call flozell adams now or maybe chester pitts who played for kyle in houston last year. if not hopefully hicks can start and the young guys can fill in . capers and cook could be sleepers on ol

Posted by: ryboredskins1 | July 10, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Most likely BMW will be put on enoxaparin. It's an anti-coagulant used to prevent and treat deep vein thrombosis or pulmonary embolism. Lovenox provides better efficacy, less dietary restriction (vitamin k), and doesn't require INR testing like coumadin.

smack1- it's derived from the intestinal mucosa of pigs. Do you want a pic?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I saw one once, D44. It looked like Hannibal Lecter slaughtering a giant squid in an urban McDonald's restroom.

Sadly I couldn't find it again.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 10, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

s1-

http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/t0756e/T0756E127.jpg

Good luck tomorrow, for once I'll be rooting for one of your teams..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks man, but they might as well be making sausage.

The one I saw had a shirtless guy with bone through his nose stirring two iron cauldrons with all sorts of guts hanging off them. Let me take a look at the AP website.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 10, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This is too bad for BMW and we probably should look at some veteran help..but i don't want Flozell...no ex-cowGirls..don't need them

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 10, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

The disagreement isn't over the cart. That was gauranted.

The argument is over what flavor donuts they have on the cart. AH wanted sprinkles dang it.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 10, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The disagreement isn't over the cart. That was gauranted.

The argument is over what flavor donuts they have on the cart. AH wanted sprinkles dang it.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 10, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

This bag of baloney is laughing all the way to the bank. He's got over 25 million of Ralph Wilson's money, some money from the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars and now some money from "Easy Pockets" Snyder. The only thing this guy is good at mentoring is how to get rich with the most minimal effort.

Posted by: jstraubinger | July 10, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Sitting outside of Brewers Alley in Frederick. Pretty sure I just saw RedDMV walk by. A brotha with a beat up 86 jersey just stumbled by. Red, I never knew you were such a Taylor Jacobs fan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

BMW is one of the classiest human being's on planet earth. wish u a speedy recovery BM and see you in 2011 on the the field but i hope you stay around the team and teach some of the young guy's how to be a professional. Luv ya big fella.

Posted by: dakel76 | July 10, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I am so sorry for BMW
I view this as last year was BMW starting to get his act back together losing over 50 lbs.
I really felt this would be the year he could actually get into NFL OL shape.

Speedy Recovery to you, BMW
And if you never play again, I appreciate your courage to work hard making great strides to get your life back in order.

You have won our respect and your own respect I am sure.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 10, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

That's a bummer! Good thing they caught it before it became a major health issue on the field. Good Luck Big Mike!

Posted by: bgmathis | July 10, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Get Well Mike.

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick thinks this is a shame:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38178898/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/?GT1=43001

Teams of veterinarians and police shooters have killed some 58,000 stray dogs in and around the Iraqi capital over the past three months as part of a campaign to curb an increasing number of strays blamed for attacks on residents.

The Baghdad provincial government said in a statement released Sunday that 20 teams have been moving around Baghdad and the outer-lying districts daily looking for and putting down the dogs. The operation, which was first announced in late 2008, only truly took off this April after funds were allocated for the project.

The surge in strays — estimated by provincial officials to number around 1.25 million — is ironically linked to what officials say is an improvement in some elements of daily life in Baghdad, a city that for seven years has been struggling to return to normalcy after the 2003 U.S.-led invasion to topple Saddam Hussein.

Officials with the provincial veterinary directorate said that with open-air markets and bustling city life returning, the dogs are able to find more food and are having bigger litters.

Figures for the number of attacks by packs of stray dogs were not available Saturday, the last day of the weekend in Iraq.

But officials said resident complaints have increased steadily in tandem with the rise in the stray population. In the capital, dogs have attacked children, in some cases killing them.

Efforts since the campaign was first announced in 2008 met with limited success because of a lack of funding and follow-through. There are not believed to be any dog shelters in Baghdad.

The teams begin their work daily at 6 a.m., and coordinate with relevant security forces in the area — ostensibly to ensure that their presence does not draw retaliatory fire by security forces who may mistake them for insurgents.

Provincial officials said before the teams move into an area, residents are also notified, and warned to not pick up meat they find on the ground because it could be the poisoned food used to lure and kill the dogs.

Under Saddam Hussein's regime, stray dogs were routinely shot. But their numbers grew steadily following the 2003 U.S.-led invasion when a host of more serious security issues sidelined efforts to deal with the dogs.

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

NFC East Bold Predictions

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/07/09/summer-scramble-2010-nfc-east-burning-questions-bold-predictio/

• Kevin Kolb will lead the division in passing yards. He's got the arm. He's got the weapons. And given the Eagles' issues on defense, especially in the secondary, he's going to find himself in a lot of high-scoring, shootout-type games. He might throw too many interceptions in his first year as a starter, but Kolb will end up with more yards than Manning, McNabb and Romo.

• Ahmad Bradshaw will be the Giants' leading rusher. What we saw last year from Brandon Jacobs wasn't a blip. The guy is on the decline, and there's some doubt among Giants insiders as to how much he actually likes football.

• Osi Umenyiora will post double digits in sacks. It just won't help the Giants all that much with no middle linebacker and question marks in the secondary.

• Tight ends Chris Cooley and Fred Davis will combine for more than 150 catches in Washington, thanks to a questionable wide receiver corps, an emphasis on the running game and Donovan McNabb's short-passing proficiency.

• The Cowboys will employ at least three different placekickers during the regular season. David Buehler isn't the answer.

• Dallas' Dez Bryant will be the NFL's offensive rookie of the year.

• Albert Haynesworth won't play a regular-season down for the Washington Redskins.

• Michael Vick will be a non-factor again in Philly. That is, if he manages to make the opening day roster after his latest off-season hiccup.

• The Cowboys will win the division, which isn't that bold, but the runner-up team will be Shanahan's Redskins, who edge out the defensively challenged Eagles and Giants in a lackluster race for second.

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

The worst stretch of the Sports' Fan calender is upon us.

Between the end of the World Cup, and the end of July, the WNBA, baseball, the CFL, and pro football rookie signings is all there is that's news.

Ho-Hum.

All I can say is thank God for Net-Flix and empty hours.

Time now for the best 26 missed films/DVds to catch up on during the mid-Summer sports slow-down (suggestions are asked for, btw):

a.) "The Hurt Locker"

b.) "Avatar"

c.) "Invictus"

d.) "500 Days of Summer"

e.) "Clash of the Titans"

f.) "Tyler Perry's Minstrel Show" (any of his films will suffice)

g.) "The Tudors"

h.) "The Wire" season 2

i.) "The Green Zone"

j.) "Taken"

k.) "The Book of Eli"

l.) "House" last season

m.) "Chappelle's Show" second season

n.) "The Dark Knight"

o.) "Year One"

p.) "Gabriel Iglesias: I'm Not Fat, I'm Fluffy"


Moe roles with

q.) "The Visitor"

r.) "Undercover Brother"

s.) "Larry the Cable" any of his recorded stand up routines are hilarious

t.) "Death at the Funeral"

u.) "America's Game: The Washington Redskins."

v.) "Delirious" Eddie Murphy in a red leather outfit telling nasty jokes

w.) "Quantum of Solace"

x.) "Four Christmases"

y.) "The Road"

z.) "The Fantastic Mr. Fox"

Moe rolls with "Taken" as, like good love-making, a direct, violent, and requires little deep thinking.

The deep thinking is what football is for.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

Check out a movie called "Eastern Promises"

I'm not sure how mainstream it was b/c I don't remember it opening in theaters, but it's a damn good movie.

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxdz_Q_HrDc


Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:51 PM |

Uh...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 10, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

vicc

I've seen "Eastern Promises" and will recommand it to anyone.

However, "A History of Violence" is better.

Trust me, I'm a blogga.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Check out a movie called "Eastern Promises"

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 9:48 PM |

While you're at it check out the "Eastern Motors" vids on youtube.com.

Posted by: CrimeScene | July 10, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"City Island" quirky comedy.

"In the Loop" Profane and hilarious political satire

Agree on "500 Days of Summer" A great movie.

Excellent football movie you may have never suspected was an excellent football movie: "All the Right Moves."

Best period caper movie ever: "The Sting"

Best movie set in Scotland: "Local Hero"

Best movie about music set in British Isles: "The Committments"

Best pre 60's sci fi movie: "Forbidden Planet"

Best short attack sequence that inspired George Lucas: The attack on Tokyo in "30 Seconds Over Tokyo"

2nd: "The Bridges at Toko Ri"

Best war movie involving boats "They Were Expendable."

Best war movie involving subs: "Das Boot"

Book that should be made into Miniseries:

"Last of the Tin Can Sailors" Freaking brilliant....

Posted by: TheCork | July 10, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Nice post Cork, but you are showing your age.

Which reminds me, RIP T_E/L-E/beep-beep. You lived a long and insignificant life but at least TheCork still posts from time to time.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Best movie set in Scotland: "Local Hero"

Best movie about music set in British Isles: "The Committments"

Posted by: TheCork | July 10, 2010 10:38 PM |

Best movie set in the Tetons: "Jugs"

Posted by: CrimeScene | July 10, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

theCork

I like the selections your tendered and will encouraged football hungry posters to spent a lil time familiarizing themselves with some of film's better offerings.

To wit:

"Au Revior, Les Enfants"

"Amores Perros"

"City of God"

"The More the Merrier"

"Key Largo"

"Sullivan's Travels"

"The Devil and Miss Jones"

"The Last King of Scotland"

"Coco Before Chanel"

"Mildred Pierce"

"Shane"

"The Lady From Shanghai"

"Vicky Cristina Barcelona"

"The Bank Job"

"Julia"

"Man On Wire"

"Gomorrah"

"La Vi En Rose"

I'll stop there.

Did I tell you that I read books, too.....?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"Which reminds me, RIP T_E/L-E/beep-beep."


That dude still posts, he's just doing it under about two different screen names.

Whenever you see a new post name, but the poster comments on something only vets remember, then it's probably beep-beep/t_evaluator.

I mean, who starts posting on here, but knows what we mean when we start cracking jokes about redDMV's dirty antics or rotfrau's racism?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:00 PM |

Surprised that with all the listing you did "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective" did not show up. That scene where Jim talks out of his ass is one of the all-time cinema classics.

Ace Ventura: [bending over and talking from his behind] Excuse me. I'd like to "ass" you a few questions.

Posted by: CrimeScene | July 10, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe,

Go ahead name the list for all time Jim Carrie Classics...?

I'm not surprised at your reaction scampbell1975. lmao, I bet Diesel44 would find it rather hilarious.

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Still too early right now about Mike Williams' medical prognosis. I think we'll know more maybe tomorrow or after the weekend, possibly the middle of next week. Let's keep him in our prayers and hope he gets the best medical care the world offers.

Posted by: RedCherokee | July 10, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of "Man on Wire", Philippe Petit definately was doing his thing during the right decade. I could not imagine that he would have any sucess pulling off his high wire stunts in the post 9/11 era.

Best wishes to Big Mike!

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 10, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

CrimeScene- Stop now, b2b way above average posts..

No way you're t_e/l-s, beep-beep.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I know that someone is going to point out that after 9/11, there are no more WTC towers to walk between, but he did similar stunts on many other landmark structures.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 10, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

vicc-

You dirty little cartoonist..I did find it funny and recommend all of the lonely island songs.

here is another..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 11:21 PM |

There are two things I can watch over and over and never tire of - one is scenes from Ace Ventura and the other is Mel Gibson in the Christmas tree lot scene at the beginning of the first Lethal Weapon movie.

Posted by: CrimeScene | July 10, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

vicc

"Go ahead name the list for all time Jim Carrie Classics...?"

Off the top of the dome, I'd say when his career is over (which it really might be right now), the best Jim Carrey will either be "The Truman Show" or "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind".

"Ace Ventura" is off the chain for humor.

Take some time and go back and look at Carrey on "In Livin' Color"--he's very funny there, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

SMACK1,

I rooting for the Dutch. Spain was my pre-Cup favorite though. I don't trust an Octopuss outta it's environment though.

I'm calling for the upset--I hope--Spain chokes losing 1-2.

I can only imagine the 'Red Light Debauchery' that ensues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thatxvrxp_o&feature=PlayList&p=C4B09910255057F5&playnext_from=PL&index=0&playnext=1
*Warning*
This is not for the faint/frak hearted.


Jus joking

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

kaasmaster

"Philippe Petit (Man On Wire) definately was doing his thing during the right decade...."


The film is very interesting early on with its short history of actual footage of the construction of the World Trade Center.

To think that Petit and his crew hid out in the empty and unoccupied floors where, almost 30 years later, people leapt from to avoid death by incineration on 9-11-01 is a little creepy and ironic.

And who has the balls to walk that high up between two close skyscrapers but and arrogant Frenchman, like Petit?

That documentary is must-see viewing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"Go ahead name the list for all time Jim Carrie Classics...?"

Off the top of the dome, I'd say when his career is over (which it really might be right now), the best Jim Carrey will either be "The Truman Show" or "The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind".

"Ace Ventura" is off the chain for humor.

Take some time and go back and look at Carrey on "In Livin' Color"--he's very funny there, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:36 PM

Dude, Dumb and Dumber...frickin' hysterical. Best character for Carrey had to be Firemarshall Bill..."Let me tell ya somethin!"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 10, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised at your reaction scampbell1975. lmao, I bet Diesel44 would find it rather hilarious.

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 11:19 PM | Report

It was funny, just wierd. Seems like something you would see late at night on the cartoon network.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 10, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from using cut/paste from WebMD or google searches on attempting to explain Mike Williams medical condition. Some of your explanations are laughable. Leave the MD'ing to the MD's.

Posted by: Painful_priapism | July 10, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Ace Ventura: [bending over and talking from his behind] Excuse me. I'd like to "ass" you a few questions.

Posted by: CrimeScene | July 10, 2010 11:13 PM

"Do you have a breath mint?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 10, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Best short attack sequence that inspired George Lucas: The attack on Tokyo in "30 Seconds Over Tokyo"

2nd: "The Bridges at Toko Ri"

Best war movie involving boats "They Were Expendable."

Best war movie involving subs: "Das Boot"

Book that should be made into Miniseries:

"Last of the Tin Can Sailors" Freaking brilliant....

Posted by: TheCork | July 10, 2010 10:38 PM


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Over/Under on how many tattoos TheCork has is set at 3.5

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Painful_priapism

Please refrain from posting again. You win, your first post (under that handle) and you without a shadow of a doubt have the worst handle of all-time.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Over/Under on how many tattoos TheCork has is set at 3.5

Posted by: Vicc | July 10, 2010 11:58 PM |

I guess under and the ones he has are really faded/bled together.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 11, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Painful_priapism

Please refrain from posting again. You win, your first post (under that handle) and you without a shadow of a doubt have the worst handle of all-time.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 11:59 PM |

I don't know, have you ever had a discussion involving sports_guru? He has the worst considering the substance.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 11, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

crimescene

"Surprised that with all the listing you did "Ace Ventura: Pet Detective" did not show up."

Movies are like some of the people you meet in that each is unique and forgettable all at the same time.

This is indeed funny:

Ace Ventura: [bending over and talking from his behind] Excuse me. I'd like to "ass" you a few questions.

Butt (pun intended), you wonder if Carrey's career is in some kind of lag.

"Yes Man," "Liar, Liar," "Lemony Snicket," "The Grinch Who Stole Christmas," and "Horton Hears a Hoo" are soporific turds floating in a cinematic latrine.

A Judd Apatow type comedy would revive Carrey's career.

Or start mine.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 11, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

scamp- There are some less than stellar posters that choose to hit submit but when considering a handle alone, Painful_priapism wins easily.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 11, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

if you're scared of foreign film, you won't like half of this list.

city of god (check out the documentary in the bonus features, scarier than the movie)

infernal affairs (trilogy that the departed was based on)

triad election ("the godfather with a hong kong flavor")

hollywood shuffle (batty, batty, batty!)

samurai trilogy (story of musashi miyamoto, greatest swordsman of all time)

amacord

la dolce vita (anita ekberg is soooo sexy)

dr. strangelove (i knew peter sellers was a comedic genius, but i forgot george c scott was too. another great one from stanley kubrick)

brother from another planet

crazed fruit (two brothers in love with the same woman always spells trouble)

harakiri

sex & fury (tarantino definitely saw this 70's japanese masterpiece before he wrote kill bill)

the 400 blows

samurai champloo

the libertine ("under the radar" depp film)

in the mood for love

chunking express

there will be blood

drunken angel

high & low

seven samurai

volver

blow

planes, trains & automobiles

all the pretty horses (written by billy bob thornton. matt damon & penelope cruz star in this western)

spring, summer, fall, winter... and spring

cooley high (might be my all time fave!)

and of course, any of the zatoichi the blind swordsman films!!!

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 11, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 11, 2010 12:06 AM

Surprised "The Fourth Man" and "The Tin Drum" are not on the list.

Posted by: edvar | July 11, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

ridoperez, if you're going to start hurling insults at the "North american People" in English try learning to write it well.

Second, we leave your sport of soccer or "Futbol" alone out of courtesy, even though quite frankly it sucks. So rather than offering trite and useless comments, just leave our sport alone as well.

Posted by: ggt546 | July 11, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Yea, it's bad D. Perineum shoulda made it his. Of course he's been posting under at least 2 handles so it could be him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 11, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey D44, I'm sure the guys just a huge dick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 11, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Best wishes Big Mike! Thankfully they caught this.

Posted by: WizardInLakerLand | July 11, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Damn..Always somethin, ain't it?? I say Mike needs a chelada, cut through them clots like a laser..Well, at least guard ain't as hard a hole to fill as blindside tackle ( or Roseanna Barr, apparently)...MY HOLLAND HIPPIES IN THE WORLD CUP!!!!!

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 11, 2010 1:37 AM | Report abuse

Alright, thassright, its WORLD CUP TONIGHT!!! Lets kickit off with DC HOMEY GIL SCOTT HERON!!! WHATS THE WORD!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wglq9xFk1Qc&feature=related

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Thassright, DJ ECOLOGIC HERE, LET'S ROCK THE HOUSE WITH PETER GABRIEL!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLg-8Jxi5aE

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

ON A WING AND A PRAYER, WASSUP!! LET'S HEAR IT FOR NELSON MANDELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xu05p_the-specials-free-nelson-mandela_music

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: edvar | July 11, 2010 12:28 AM

haven't seen tin drum, it's on my list of must-see. not familiar with the fourth man, will look into it.

could make another list equally as long, but that would be obscene.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 11, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Yep, poor ol' Gil Scot... junkman-reduced to buskin' on M st., RIP, may god have mercy...WAR JUNKIES JUST LEAD TO ARMAGIDEON, F*** THAT...PEACE....is the word...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OafqYNCzq5U

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Awright, but f*** that fake-a** diamond industry..But you havent felt MARA, the God of Time, til you been Homeless..keep a diamond in your heart...

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

This is the summer of netflix.
Favorite 5 directors:

Fritz Lang
Akira Kurosawa
Katsushiro Otomo
Joel/Ethan Cohen
Martin Scorcese (the London Fletcher of film)

and many, many honorable mentions...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 11, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

You ain't felt Mara, the reality, until you've been homeless..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5tngHfemWc

f*** that fake-a** diamond industry, anyway...

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyways, the Company killed Bob Marley, because he bcame an icon of African rebellion..Internet Controllers in the fake-free America f***ed up my choice of "One Love", like they f everything up, but I'm a " One Love" secret agent...peaceout...

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 2:37 AM | Report abuse

Which reminds me, RIP T_E/L-E/beep-beep.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 10:45 PM |

I thought about you when I took my 14-year-old to College Park for wrestling camp. They put those boys in Centreville Dorm with no a/c. What a horrible place.

No wonder people who go to the "University" of Maryland don't learn anything. It's not their fault. Their brains are baked and they end up as stupid as turtle shhit like Diesel44.

My boy came home wearing a t-shirt that said Terps Wrestling. That shirt will get "fixed" when he brings it down to wash it. "Hey Dad, how come after I washed my shirt it says Blue Devils Wrestling?" "Gee, Hulk, if you use enough Arm & Hammer with some Clorox you can wash the filth off anything."

I will say he claims to have liked the camp, proving that the heat fried his brain in just four days. Sad. How long did it take to ruin yours? Ask your parents because you wouldn't know.

Go, Duke. NCAA National Champions -- basketball, lacrosse, etc.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 11, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Mike….Great effort and run. I for one was and am rooting for you. Get your health back and remember…good things happen to good people. You’re one of the good ones.

Posted by: krystal_ball | July 11, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Best war and comedy combined - Kelly`s Hero`s! Best western - High Plains Drifter!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 11, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse


Best war and comedy combined - Kelly`s Hero`s! Best western - High Plains Drifter!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 11, 2010 7:55 AM

It's probably too late to warn you, but it's not a good idea to use your internet address as a screen name up here. We have one poster, diesel44, who scratches out a meager living by capturing people's e/m addresses and selling them to spammers. I know it's pitiful, but if you're a Terp, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 11, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Whenever you see a new post name, but the poster comments on something only vets remember, then it's probably beep-beep/t_evaluator.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 10, 2010 11:06 PM

MistaMoe: Often wrong, never in doubt.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 11, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline:

"Clown Busted In Sex Attack"


It's my understanding he was arrested while juggling his balls in the playground of a local elementary school.

Neighbors began complaining to police when several outlandishly dressed men with bushy red afros and suspenders emptied out of a suspicious little smoke-filled red car that had been circling the area for hours.

One clown reportedly told a woman his floppy shoes would be erect just prior to his performance.

"I'll put on the greatest show on Earth once the bedroom lights go out, honey," he said while holding his big red nose.

A rude mime was taken in after he refused to speak or get out of the invisible box police said he tried to hide in.

An African American clown named Homie reportedly told girls he had a large pole holding up the big tent in his pants.

Finally, one arrogant clown turned to an arresting officier and asked, "Why so serious?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 11, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"MistaMoe: Often wrong, never in doubt."

An insult from you is like a glance from God.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 11, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

An insult from you is like a glance from God.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 11, 2010 10:07 AM

A factual statement from you is like a 50-50 proposition.

But a joke from you is always a sure thing.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 11, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

That's not a blood clot, it was just a doughnut finally dislodging from his arteries!

All jokes aside, here's to a speedy and full recovery, Big Mike!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | July 11, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

Good to have you back, when you disappear like that we all worry that maybe you've expired.

Also nice to hear that your son is following in your husband's athletic endeavors.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 11, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

beep-beep

"A factual statement from you is like a 50-50 proposition."

You gotta remember there's a difference between facts and predictions.

Real journalists traffic in facts while I sling the product of shouted predictions from the nasty street corner of this sports blogs.

So far these past two months, I was wrong about the World Cup and Prince Al coming to the June mini-camp.

But, well, LeBron is Miami, Serena Williams is the Wimbledon champ, and the Redskins are giving VJax consideration.

I remember folks laughing when I said 'Bama would beat Texas back in January.

Then there was that Jason Campbell was going to be traded thingy that had people giggling right up until it happened.

And some late March post hinted that the new skins management wasn't thrilled with the wide receiver group it inherited, and well, we now know they aren't.

I don't torture the truth.

I just say what it's gonna be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 11, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

BIG hole on the right side now that BIG MIKE is gone. And don't think he isn't. Blood clots on the heart...........they can be fatal and fast. No playing around MIKE. Hang 'um up.Told ya'll form the beginning that losing all that weight and training for the NFL wars was rough on MIKE's body.

O.K. HICKS goes into his slot. So now its T.WILLIAMS, DOCK, RABACH, HICKS, and BROWN with no reliable back-ups, and HEYER with the only measurable experience. CHAD "Chin-whiskers" RINEHART, WIL MONTGOMERY, EDWIN WILLIAMS, 'Danger' WIL ROBINSON, CORY LICHTENSTEIGER, CLINT OLDENBURG, ERIK COOK, SELVISH CAPERS.

I can see maybe three back-ups from this group and that's all. How good.......who knows at this point, I certainly don't, but outside of more new 0-line blood (no offense BM), I'm scared several of these players WILL become the back-ups. Of course, OLDENBURG's been around several teams as had MONTGOMERY before he stuck with the 'SKINS. And we've got RINEHART's poor history with the club to date. Scary.

Starters should be a proficient unit, but one year cannot overcome a decade of neglect on the o-line. Look out DONOVAN. Rushers headed your way early in the season, and later when starters begin to fall.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

how about foreign films with American remakes

kind of a best of combo

Like Seven Samurai = The Magnificent Seven

Cousin, Cousine = Cousins

Internal Affairs = The Departed

La Femme Nikita = Point of No Return

Bella Martha = No Reservations

Ringu = the Ring

La Cage aux Folles = The Birdcage

Trois hommes et un couffin = Three Men and a Baby

Yojimbo = A Fistful of Dollars

Profumo di donna = Scent of a Woman

It's really sad how many films are just remakes of others...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 11, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Just because you CAN f*** with somebody, doesn't mean that you should, webbie. Just because you CAN throw the baby out with the bathwater doesn't mean that you should, mama. I wouldn't let that undercover creep priest put that radioactive/arsenic wafer in my mouth if you held a gun to my head, chained to a burning shed in Antarctica with the Thing...All films/creations borrow/steal from everything else-Kurozawa is one long line of Shakespeare cut-ups, Miyazaki is Lewis Carroll variations, but that's just the whole llong line of humanity, it ain't "sad" , its just life..

We'll pick up a decent vet guard before long..But Godspeed to Big Mike, money and football glory ain't everything, stay alive, dude..

Posted by: frak | July 11, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

.....Danger' WIL ROBINSON,
Posted by: glawrence007 | July 11, 2010 12:00 PM
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lol...funny

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 11, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"I can see maybe three back-ups from this group and that's all. How good.......who knows at this point, I certainly don't, but outside of more new 0-line blood (no offense BM), I'm scared several of these players WILL become the back-ups. Of course, OLDENBURG's been around several teams as had MONTGOMERY before he stuck with the 'SKINS. And we've got RINEHART's poor history with the club to date. Scary."

Geez, it's too early to panic. We knew Mike Williams' health was a gamble since he set foot in Washington. Obtaining Hicks and the two Browns made the situation a lot better. Here's a model rotation:

T. Brown - LT, RT
D. Dockery - LG
C. Rabach - C
A. Hicks - RG, RT
J. Brown - RT, LT
S. Heyer - RT, LT

So the question now is, who backs up at guard and center? Lichtensteiger was signed as a backup at those two positions. Chad is more of a traditional right guard. The others have bounced around quite a bit, and the two rookies have yet to go through training camp.

Or somebody veteran might get cut by another club in camp and wind up with the Skins' rotation. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Obtaining Hicks and the two Browns made the situation a lot better. Here's a model rotation:

T. Brown - LT, RT
D. Dockery - LG
C. Rabach - C
A. Hicks - RG, RT
J. Brown - RT, LT
S. Heyer - RT, LT
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Who's T.Brown?.....you mean T. Williams?

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 11, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Or somebody veteran might get cut by another club in camp and wind up with the Skins' rotation. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 2:01 PM
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Good point...and you're right no need to panic... |

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 11, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

T. Brown - LT, RT
D. Dockery - LG
C. Rabach - C
A. Hicks - RG, RT
J. Brown - RT, LT
S. Heyer - RT, LT

So the question now is, who backs up at guard and center? Lichtensteiger was signed as a backup at those two positions. Chad is more of a traditional right guard. The others have bounced around quite a bit, and the two rookies have yet to go through training camp.

Or somebody veteran might get cut by another club in camp and wind up with the Skins' rotation. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Samson151

I think you mean T. Williams. Hicks is not a starter caliber player. He is good backup swing man. Perfect for spelling both RG and RT spot. Having a below average RG is not the end of world. What is going to make or break the line is how fast T williams adapts and whether or not Jammal Brown can hold up at the other T spot. Rarely do you see a rookie who can come in and man the LT spot out of gate without struggling in his first year. There is also a reason why the Saints gave Brown up for nothing. Swapping picks is essentially nothing. In my opinion, and I know that does not mean much, the line is going to be below average this year. Certainly not train wreck bad like last year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 11, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ugly first half. Not going to win many new fans with that kind of play.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"Hicks is not a starter caliber player." Posted by: srobert1117"

He probably would have started at guard this season even if BMW had been healthy. That's why they signed him, after all. Playing RT came up later. Hicks has 58 games in Philly and Minnesota. Last three seasons has been a valuable swingman on one of football's best o-lines. He wasn't going to win the guard spot with the Vikes, but he very well might have here.

"Rarely do you see a rookie who can come in and man the LT spot out of gate without struggling in his first year."

They might struggle some, but the fact is, more and more teams do exactly that. Jammal Brown is an example. So are Jake Long & D'Brick Ferguson. If the rook is the best player, the rook plays. Not many teams are lucky enough to have an option, the way Washington does.

"There is also a reason why the Saints gave Brown up for nothing. Swapping picks is essentially nothing."

Argument by innuendo. What's the foundation for this opinion?

"In my opinion, and I know that does not mean much, the line is going to be below average this year."

Your opinion means exactly as much as anybody's else's. If you can back it up with evidence, it means a lot more.

We really don't know how good the line will play this coming season. Too many changes to predict. We do know it's in a heck of a lot better shape healthwise than at the end of last year. In the NFL, that counts.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Correction: that should read 'Hicks has STARTED 58 games in Philly and Minnesota."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

By the way, here's one way to measure o-line improvement (or lack of it) during the coming season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

According to these measures, the Skins ranked 26th in run blocking and 27th in pass protection last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Ugly first half. Not going to win many new fans with that kind of play.

Posted by: learnedhand1

We have 3 billion, we don't need new fans. What's your point.

F&DCIK!

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 11, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

By the way, here's one way to measure o-line improvement (or lack of it) during the coming season:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

According to these measures, the Skins ranked 26th in run blocking and 27th in pass protection last season.

Posted by: Samson151

might have been worse than that. 4th worst in sacks allowed and 2nd worst in yds per carry, if you exclude QB carries (which include a lot of kneel downs)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 11, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Best of health to MIKE WILLIAMS. A word to the wise.

When I was a young man I had a disabled student tell me, "when you've got your health you've got everything." He was severely and permanently injured in a car accident. Two years later, when he couldn't stand the pain anymore, he did the deed to himself in front of his home.

Don't push it to play football MIKE, it's just not worth it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 11, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151

We are in agreement the Oline will better this year.

Winning the starting job and being a starter caliber player are two different things. He has not been a starter in 3 years with the Vikings. He was a starter but was replaced.

For every Ferguson, Long and Clady there is a Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Chris Williams and Alex Barron.

It does not mean that T. Williams will not be a stud over time it is difficult to project how he will do against a murders row of pass rushers. I expect him to have lots of ups and downs this season.

The reason why I use innuendo with Brown is that there is no other way to judge him. He did not play at all last year. He was not a hot commodity on the trade market. If he was a sure thing at the tackle spot they would have had more suitors and eventually received higher compensation. It is not a cap year so the Saints could have easily held onto Brown as insurance for their tackles. Usually a team trading a player has the best evaluation of the player. There is a reason why they dumped him. It was not a bad pickup but I am hesitant to assume he is going to play anywhere near a pro-bowl level.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

BMW was kind of a wild card, and if he really was able to reclaim his career, it would have been huge for this team. 2009 was always going to be a struggle for him, too much changing too quickly. But 2010, with a full year to return to form, there was reason for some optimism.

Well, his absence once again exposes our OL. Not so much the starters, but the depth. Its hard to overstate how big the Jamaal Brown trade looks in hindsight. Without it, we'd be looking at Hicks (probably RT) and ?? for RG. Brown + Hicks on the right side is somewhere between serviceable and good.

But if injuries come, it'll get ugly pretty fast.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 11, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

from Maske

Report: Vick banned from out-of-state travel


If the player can't travel ... isn't it pretty obvious he's not gonna be on ANY roster

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 11, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"Winning the starting job and being a starter caliber player are two different things. [Artis Hicks] has not been a starter in 3 years with the Vikings. He was a starter but was replaced."

Seems a meaningless distinction. All you're really saying is that somebody beat him out in Minnesota. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have won the job in Buffalo or Oakland, with the Giants or Philadelphia. I'm fairly certain he'd have anchored that RG spot in Washington last season.

Shanahan has been open about his preference for players who can transition between positions as need dictates during the course of a season. That's why they signed Hicks. Originally it was for that RG spot, but when Mike Williams looked like a keeper, they put him at RT instead of Heyer. When BMW went down for the count, it was easy to stick him back at guard.

Best to think of the o-line as a unit. More important how they play together than how each individual played in the past, or how he does in mini-camp drills. The Skins might be a little weaker without BMW, or they might not. We have to wait and see.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

"But if injuries come, it'll get ugly pretty fast.Posted by: zcezcest1"

That's true for so many teams, even contenders. I was looking at Dallas, a legit candidate for a Super Bowl run. They're trying to figure out who starts at tackle. Philly is counting heavily on Andrews to come back from injury at guard, to help protect their QBs who going into the season appear to be Kolb and rookie Mike Kafka. Phil Loadholt, a rookie, wound up starting 16 games in Minnesota.

I dunno, most teams look pretty thin to me. It's a war of attrition.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Best to think of the o-line as a unit. More important how they play together than how each individual played in the past, or how he does in mini-camp drills. The Skins might be a little weaker without BMW, or they might not. We have to wait and see.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 6:23 PM
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True, that. Never has something so obvious been so needing to be said. The truth is we do not know how this impacts the Redskins. The fact that Hicks was going to have the job in front of BMW in training camp says a little about how BMW was doing, but who knows how he would have performed with another year seasoning under his belt. I do know this: Bruce Allen had better keep his eye on the waiver wire in a few weeks for versatile offensive linemen that could potentially play two positions. Oh, and if you are reading, Selvish Capers, this is the sound of the door opening a little wider for you to step right in...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 11, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

"Winning the starting job and being a starter caliber player are two different things. [Artis Hicks] has not been a starter in 3 years with the Vikings. He was a starter but was replaced."

Seems a meaningless distinction. All you're really saying is that somebody beat him out in Minnesota. Doesn't mean he wouldn't have won the job in Buffalo or Oakland, with the Giants or Philadelphia. I'm fairly certain he'd have anchored that RG spot in Washington last season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Cosign 100%. The NFL is littered with players who haven't been starters on their team, but are capable of being the starter. Ledell Betts comes to mind.

The starting five should be solid, particularly since Shanahan's schemes helps his OLines to play soundly. His Olines in seasons past haven't featured the most talented players, but his units have been sold units. BMW's loss hurts because a veteran swing player is lost. However, with training camp battles to be fought, a veteran player or two that fits in the Skin's scheme will become available. One player is Barry Simms, the OLman the skins offered a contract to but who chose going baack to the 49ers. He's in a camp battle with Alex Boone and if the 49ers want to go young, Simms will be the odd man out,

Posted by: TWISI | July 11, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

When I said that Hicks is not starting caliber I mean he would be a back up on a decent or good line. Not that he could not be a starter for any team. Because after last I realize there are a lot of crappy players who are starters in the league. I think Hicks is great backup that can fill in at multiple positions. I just don't think he should be a starter.

While Shanahan has a great scheme he still needs the players. T. Williams was the tackle with most upside but was also the the most raw. It may take him some time to adjust. Rabach is getting up there in age and has struggled against strong NTs. Hicks has been a backup for the last 3 years. Brown is coming off a missed season and the two seasons prior he was abused by top pass rushers while also racking up a ton of holding penalties. Those are a lot of things that have to go right while avoiding injuries. The Oline may end up being solid but it is more likely that they struggle especially due to the solid pass rushers they face. All the new players, the new scheme and razor thin depth lead me to believe this unit will struggle.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

good luck to you Mike Williams - a roster spot opens up for T.O.?

Posted by: coparker5 | July 11, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

good luck to you Mike Williams - a roster spot opens up for T.O.?

Posted by: coparker5 | July 11, 2010 8:39 PM

good luck to you Mike Williams - a roster spot opens up for a OT/OG..

fixed it for ya...

sorry s1, blame me...I'm the kiss of death. Let me also apologize to all skins, caps, terps, O's, & wiz fans while I'm at it.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 11, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

"One player is Barry Simms, the OLman the skins offered a contract to but who chose going baack to the 49ers. He's in a camp battle with Alex Boone and if the 49ers want to go young, Simms will be the odd man out, Posted by: TWISI"

I guess Barry has played guard, right? I know he's the one who replaced Robert Gallery at tackle in Oakland. Given that he's 35 and SF's line was a trouble spot last year, it surprised me they signed him back. Yeah, he's the sort of player that could wind up here.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Damn, the World Cup is over. So sad.

In other news someone has finally decided to defend Lebron James.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news
/story?id=5372266

See what the Christian Reverend Jesse Jackson had to say:

"He speaks as an owner of LeBron and not the owner of the Cleveland Cavaliers," the reverend said in a release from his Chicago-based civil rights group, the Rainbow PUSH Coalition.

"His feelings of betrayal personify a slave master mentality. He sees LeBron as a runaway slave. This is an owner employee relationship -- between business partners -- and LeBron honored his contract."

Posted by: Vicc | July 11, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

One thing about Jesse Jackson -- he knows his way around a sound bite.

Of course the city of Cleveland has no legal or even moral hold on LeBron James. They were lucky to draft him in the first place (22% probability) and lucky to have the guy for six seasons. He was lucky in turn to have the support of a city instead of the crazy expectations he would have faced in say, New York or Chicago.

None of this makes any difference to Dan Gilbert, of course, whose team just lost a few hundred million in potential value.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Ugly first half. Not going to win many new fans with that kind of play.

Posted by: learnedhand1

It was tactical soccer at its best (or worst depending on your perspective).

As an Azzurri fan myself, I always get sick and tired of the Italians constantly getting crucified for playing "negative" football (even when they dont, it's just a popular ignorant recycled criticism).

And yet in this Spain - Netherlands Finals: 2 teams constantly lauded for their proactive attacking football; you have Netherlands that sat back and defended the whole time trying to hit on counter -attack; and you have Spain who won this WC scoring only 8 goals the whole tourney - fewest ever for a champ I believe.

Because when you get down to it, strong defense and a controlled midfield are how you win soccer games. The Italians know this and have always known this...that's why they are the most successful national soccer team on their side of the Atlantic Ocean...

Posted by: p1funk | July 11, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"While Shanahan has a great scheme he still needs the players. T. Williams was the tackle with most upside but was also the the most raw. It may take him some time to adjust. Rabach is getting up there in age and has struggled against strong NTs. Hicks has been a backup for the last 3 years. Brown is coming off a missed season and the two seasons prior he was abused by top pass rushers while also racking up a ton of holding penalties. Those are a lot of things that have to go right while avoiding injuries. The Oline may end up being solid but it is more likely that they struggle especially due to the solid pass rushers they face. All the new players, the new scheme and razor thin depth lead me to believe this unit will struggle.Posted by: srobert1117"

You keep refining this argument but it doesn't get any stronger. Yes, they face some dynamite pass rushers. Yes, they could use another couple experienced linemen. Yes, they'll be young in spots. Yes, Artis Hicks wasn't a starter in Minnesota.

Training camp starts at month's end. Why don't we let them see if the pads fit before we start making judgments?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 11, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I also agree that BMW's injury does not affect the Skins' starting O-line situation much if at all. It does hurt our depth situation quit a bit though.

Because both Hicks and Mike Williams can play both RG and RT and Brown can play both RT and LT, an injury to the starter at any of RG, RT, and LT could be overcome relatively easily with a minor re-shufling of players. We would still have a starting line composed of experienced veterans.

Now, if one of those 3 positions have an injury, we are left with less proven options such as Lichtensteiger, Rinehart, or Montgomery at RG. Heyer is once again our first backup at Tackle, and he has not shown that he is consistant starter material. Even with Mike Williams, I have been worried about our depth at C and LG.

Here's to hoping we can pick up at least one more quality lineman before the start of the season.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 11, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Samson151,

I agree in principle with what Jesse said. His problem is always using inappropriate analogies.

Lebron is also at fault for endangering Lebron by turning his free agency into a complete unnecessary circus

`

p1funk,

Spain players were acting very selfish today and I counted at least 3 goals had the extra pass been made.

When it comes to winning, it always helps to have a player who can finish, but the Italians won the last WC on a strong defense and I'd argue that Spain won the WC on a strong midfield.

Posted by: Vicc | July 11, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 11, 2010 5:12 PM

S1, your Cowboys affiliation notwithstanding I have always found you to be funny and a generally good egg. Your sensitivity on this futbol sitchiation, however, has revealed another side to you. Because I don't tend to traffic in name calling and other ITG activity in this forum I'm going to let you have this one. I'll just attribute it to your obvious disappointment at your beloved team's failure today. Amandla!!

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Training camp starts at month's end. Why don't we let them see if the pads fit before we start making judgments?

Posted by: Samson151

If we're not going to speculate, what would be the point of this blog?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 11, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 11, 2010 9:28 PM

Taking shots, calling names or just plain talking sjk from the comfort and safety of your home/office/public library perhaps?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Your sensitivity on this futbol sitchiation, however, has revealed another side to you.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 9:22 PM


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Don't take it personal. It's jus boys being boys. SMACK1 has served me a couple times on the blog as well.

Posted by: Vicc | July 11, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I take it very personally when I'm called an F&DCIK by a stranger for simply commenting on my perception of a soccer match. The juvenile name calling over the internet over even small differences of opinion is annoying.

On a completely different note: John Wall, unlike those Dutch soccer players, really looks good. He's going to make guys better for sure.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Taking shots, calling names or just plain talking sjk from the comfort and safety of your home/office/public library perhaps?

Posted by: learnedhand1


A lot of that goes on around here. Even when it isn't warranted at all. It's like some people wait on you to take a stance on something that differs from theirs so they can go chest out and come up with creative insults, or make claims about your character or personality when they don't even know you or don't have anything substantial to base it on.

At one point that post near the top of this thread for that one poster would've got aired, but afterall they're insulting a screen name. Not C------ V-------.

After a while it becomes comical and you just take it with a grain of salt. It's like a weak ploy to get their "stats" up on RI.

Unwarranted, weak, and just overall fatigued out.

I'm "fake" says the guy who was up here FRONTING like he was a born-again blogger with apologies to boot -- then -- reverts to old form. Gotta love the hypocrisy that some display up here.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 11, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

@Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 9:52 PM

Words only hurt if you let them. Let them roll off you like water off a duck's back. Be happy that you don't have to resort to name calling in order to make yourself feel superior. If others know that they can get a rise out of you by flaming you, they will persist. Continue to take the high road.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 11, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Red, did you see Wall's summer league debut? McGee is going to have to give that kid part of his check and a commission on his next contract.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

To add: Yeah, I know that I've been known to be an ass more than a little bit. But I've never talked sh*t to someone unless it's done first. Never talked sh*t to a guy whose opinion may have differed from mine, again, unless they started it.

"I'm gonna tell you something. Somebody messes with me, I'm gonna mess with with him. Somebody steals from me, I'm gonna say you stole. Not talk to him for spitting on the sidewalk. Understand?"

Posted by: RedDMV | July 11, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

lh, I did catch that. I expect Wall to struggle a bit, especially on turnovers, but I think the guy has tons of potential. Wall over time should definitely become McGee's Chris Paul, as McGee is in the mold of a Tyson Chandler was with the Hornets a few years back.

I think Chandler was an all-star selection that year too.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 11, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Can't take these bums seriously or personally, young,....

Posted by: RedDMV | July 11, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

I take it very personally when I'm called an F&DCIK by a stranger for simply commenting on my perception of a soccer match. The juvenile name calling over the internet over even small differences of opinion is annoying.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | Jul

Sorry LH, theFARDiDK was not directed at you, that was my general discontent with life when the ref blew.

Well, he blew all game. I would not ever call you a f&rdiu. Also, we're not strangers. We met at RFD.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 11, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Crap. Sarcasm again right. I'll never learn.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 11, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

No sarcasm from me sir. And we may have met once but I don't know you and I wouldn't know who you were if I saw you on the street. But maybe we'll see each other again.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 11, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

You're not the first blogger to forget me. Honest, LH, I did not call you a F&anything. It was an unfortunate mashup of disappointment and caps lock.

Hey 4th.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 11, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

anyhoo....

World Cup over we now return you to nothing in particular happening.

GHEOIUOHEOUIDF!

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 11, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Please add Antonie Fuqua's "Brooklyn's Finest" to the list of must-see summer films.

It's violent, bloody, filled with morally conflicted characters, and well-acred.

It is a long movie, so make sure you got 2 hours plus to burn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"If we're not going to speculate, what would be the point of this blog?Posted by: zcezcest1"

Now that you mention it... this blog has a point? What is it?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

"It's...well-acred." Posted by: MistaMoe

Nothing beats a well-acred film.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"Because when you get down to it, strong defense and a controlled midfield are how you win soccer games."Posted by: p1funk

You forgot knocking the ball in the goal with your hand.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 12:54 AM | Report abuse

A lot of that goes on around here. Even when it isn't warranted at all. It's like some people wait on you to take a stance on something that differs from theirs so they can go chest out and come up with creative insults, or make claims about your character or personality when they don't even know you or don't have anything substantial to base it on.

At one point that post near the top of this thread for that one poster would've got aired, but afterall they're insulting a screen name. Not C------ V-------.

After a while it becomes comical and you just take it with a grain of salt. It's like a weak ploy to get their "stats" up on RI.

Unwarranted, weak, and just overall fatigued out.

I'm "fake" says the guy who was up here FRONTING like he was a born-again blogger with apologies to boot -- then -- reverts to old form. Gotta love the hypocrisy that some display up here.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 11, 2010 10:02 PM

Pot, meet kettle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 12, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

And oh by the way Red, you're puzzy ass backhanded words didn't make it past me. I apologized to you for the bullsh!t your mother jokes and so forth. I said I was done with the political BS. I never said that I wasn't gonna call you out on your BS, which you have nothing but. You ain't nuthin' but what you just accused many others of being, which is a hypocrit.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 12, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Now that you mention it... this blog has a point? What is it?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 12:46 AM

movie recommendations, NBA vs. FIFA, chest thumping, and voyeuristic thrills.

some combination of the above, plus 'skins talk.

HTTR!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 12, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

I heard about this Mike Williams thing over the weekend...so sorry to hear that. My wife went thru a similar condition and it's no easy thing to get over. Wishing him the best and I hope he doesn't risk his health to try and play.

That said, I think this hurts the Redskins depth more than anything...I would have been a bit surprised to see MW start over Artis Hicks, given Hicks is probably the better fit for the offense and has more athleticism. I'd rather have Hicks as a key swing player to back up the RG and RT spots, but we could do a lot worse than Hicks starting at RG for a year until we can draft a young prospect.

Seems to me this shouldn't be too big a deal from an X's and O's standpoint.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Geez...anybody got some jumper cables for the blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse


@Geez...anybody got some jumper cables for the blog?

Posted by: brownwood26


Let's talk boycott brown - HA HA HA

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Let's not and say we did, hess. Perhaps you've got some insight on how Snyder is to blame for MW's blood clots?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

"Valuable Member" hhhhaaaahahahahahahachahchcahhchahchcahcha
achem.

How about "disappointing side project"?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I noticed that too, Dik. Dude is nothing more than a depth player here for no other reason than we couldn't get anyone else to play RG and he's "valuable"? I had a hard time seeing him beat out Hicks for that spot anyway...I just hope we can get another player at RG in free agency after the first wave of cuts so we at least maintain a little depth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse


Let's not and say we did, hess. Perhaps you've got some insight on how Snyder is to blame for MW's blood clots?

Posted by: brownwood26

Lighten up brownwood baby! I'm sorry to hear that anyone has a medical condition that threatens their health. You could question signing a project like Williams in the first place. That said, I wish him the best and for a speedy recovery. You have a wonderful day brown and keep it on the light side as I'm joking most of the time, except when my dignity is in question. I'm sure you'll understand. Peace

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya, brownie.

I didn't mean to come off as harsh as that sounded, necessarily. I mean, I'm glad the guy got his weight under 350. But I fail to see how correcting his personal problems has the Mayor looking at BMW's tenure through rose colored glasses.

He wouldn't have seen the field nearly as much if Samuels hadn't have gone down (though that was a given, wasn't it?!).

I do look forward to getting some more depth on this line, even if we have to go back to over-the-hill thinking again... just please, don't give away valuable draft pics...lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

It's all good hess.

Dik, I know what you meant...as I said, my wife had a similar condition last year so I'm a bit more sensitive toward what MW is up against than I would be otherwise. I wish him nothing but the best and hope he's healthy enough to continue his career...I just don't think that's a reason to blow sunshine up his skirt about what his role was here.

I'd LOVE for Rinehart to be the guy to step up and be solid so we don't have to worry about who's on the street though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse


just please, don't give away valuable draft pics...lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle

Amen to that Dik. Builtd through the draft, and enough of this FA and trading nonsense.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

brown, my wife had issues with blood clots as well, how did everything work out? Mine had a stent put in and has been fine since then...hopefully yours went as well....

Sorry to hear about BMW's health issues, football is so unimportant at this juncture..Godspeed....

Reading through some of the above comments, and came across this gem from Red:

" I know that I've been known to be an ass more than a little bit"...more true words have never from the mouth of a bama been spoke......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

How is your wife feeling these days brown? I hope she is taking care of herself. Blood clots are a scary thing, especially the posibility of a stroke.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I'd LOVE for Rinehart to be the guy to step up and be solid so we don't have to worry about who's on the street though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 8:21 AM |

Me too. That would be ideal, similar to Devin and/or Malcolm coming into their own. I always forget about Rhino as far as that draft is concerned. Which isn't a good thing. Rhino had a game and a half of decent play last year, so he has it in him. Let's not forget that he also played RT in college.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

Sorry to hear about your wife having blood clot issues as well bean, and I'm happy to hear she is doing better. Did she receive the medicated stent? I'd assume that all stents are designed that way now.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

My perspective on LeBron on el tube? The hype wasn't worth it. I spent the time with my daughter (movies, conversation), and with my son (may be leaving home for good). LeBron can be entertaining but, on my list of people he's not in the top 100. And among sports interest he might come in at number 8. Redskins, John Wall and Jason Campbell as a Raider are at the top. I'll get to him when training camp starts. Give me a football IV

Posted by: robmugabe2000 | July 12, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

hess, no worries, and its been a couple of years.....apart from her choice of husband, she's in perfect health......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the concern for the Mrs, guys. Truly appreciated.

Greg, happy to hear your wife came out alright...my wife had clots not on her heart, but her lung. Spent a week in the hospital, but she didn't need surgery or anything--just had her on meds for several months thereafter. They caught it early enough that we didn't have anything disasterous happen (other than the ensuing hospital bills, of course). But she's doing fine now and it's given her some more motivation to drop some of the baby weight.

That experience makes me think that MW is probably done playing...my wife isn't exactly a finely tuned athlete, but it was still a few months before she even had the green light to do strenuous exercising. So I'd imagine that if something as serious as your heart is at stake, there's more questions than answers and the best way to be safe about it would be to shut it down. Football is great and all, but it ain't worth dying for...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

btw, posting on this blog aready seriously impugnes your dignity! lmSJKao!1!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

brown, good to hear.....

cliche, but your health/the healthy of your family really is everything....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, everything I've heard is that Rhino leaves much to be desired at OT. If he's an effective guard, that's more than enough at this point in time.

And please no more LeBron talk...I literally avoided ESPN all weekend and it was great. The next time I hear LeBron's name, I want it to be in conjunction with the sentence "out for the season with a serious knee injury"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Greg, just cuz it's cliche doesn't make it any less true, my friend. God knows I'm barely qualified to be a parent in tandem, let alone having to raise a 3 year-old by myself. So I couldn't be happier to have the Mrs back up to good health and strength.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

p1funk,

Spain players were acting very selfish today and I counted at least 3 goals had the extra pass been made.

When it comes to winning, it always helps to have a player who can finish, but the Italians won the last WC on a strong defense and I'd argue that Spain won the WC on a strong midfield.

Posted by: Vicc | July 11, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse


Really? I have the opposite POV on Spain. Those guys seem to need to walk the ball into the net. They'd sooner pass it sideways than put one on goal. The Netherlands defense is too good to stand around and suffer a bunch of sideways passes around their box which is why a guy like David Villa got shackled.

Italy has always boasted a strong defense. People look at the 2010 WC for Italy and note how weak the forward contingent was (and they are right), but the real disappointment for Azzuri fans was how flimsy the back was. The only up-to-par defender back there is Chiellini. Surrendering 5 goals in 3 games - 2 of those games against mediocre/weak opponents is the reason for the exit. Under "normal" circumstances Italy would never start games by going down 1-0, 1-0, 2-0, against a lineup like Paraguay, NZ, Slovakia...unheard of...

Posted by: p1funk | July 12, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Can I be truthful here and say that the main reason anyone is hatin' on the LaBron mess was because he didn't end up on their team. I know before he inked w/ the Heat I thot he was the hugest dewsch. Now, I'm all for him.

I hear Derek Fisher is willing to sign in Miamuh for league minimum... it's startin'... luukautnah. mahmahmah.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse


And please no more LeBron talk...I literally avoided ESPN

The LeBron thing on ESPN sadly replicates reality TV. And the show put on in Miami to introduce him, DW, and CB reminds me of the circus. Oh well, life is a carnival.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

RE: Soccer. Wait, the game is finished?! I thought it was still going....

.... yep. Holland just tackled another guy. Seriously, give those teams pads & helmets.

btw, how's about the Bobby Boucher tackle?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Awesome, more Lebron talk. That reminds me that I haven't taken my morning dump yet.

Tough news about Mike Williams. Best wishes, big fella.

Chad Rinehart -- time to sack up or get packing.

2 weeks until camp!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 12, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Spain won the world cup scoring 8 goals in 7 games.....

I'm just gonna put that out there and let it marinate.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse


The Internet is the most democratizing technological tool in history. Yet the Internet might be the undoing of democracy: It fans flames of discontent, encourages baseless character attacks and traffics in misinformation.

Norman Chad's comments above indicate he posts on RI. Wonder what his handle is? He couldn't possibly be funkey, could he?

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

Defense wins championships, or soccer is really that boring. Sam Huff probably loves it.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

No more than an informed guess, but logically, this may be a pulmonary embolus. People can form clots, typically in the lower legs, that travel to the pulmonary arteries. When these arteries become occluded ( blocked ), it can be life threatening.

The proximity of the clot is what classifies this as a pulmonary embolus. You are, however, correct on the treatment. It is something that can be fixed and potentially Big Mike could make a come back. But I don't think it's the smarter decision for his life. Excessive pressure could be potentially fatal and it would be immediate with no time for any treatment. Good luck Big Mike, Redskins nation will be rooting for you!

Posted by: SkinsFan771 | July 12, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Albert Lea graduate inducted into school's hall of fame
(ABC 6 Sports) -- Vinny Cerrato is a former football, hockey and track athlete at Albert Lea High School and he's also the former General Manager for the Washington Redskins.

Friday night he was the guest speaker at his own hall of fame induction.

Cerrato has come a long way since he graduated from Albert Lea in 1977. He's won a national championship working under Lou Holtz at Notre Dame, and a Superbowl working in the front office with the San Francisco 49ers.

"Those were probably the two shining moments," he said.

And he gives a lot of credit to Holtz, who first helped him get into the NFL.

"He told me when I was ready he would let me know and he would make some calls for me. He had a major impact on how I saw things and visualized things and did things," Cerrato said.

After his time with the 49ers, Cerrato served two stints with the Washington Redskins, but the team never had the success he thought they could have.

"You can't win without a quarterback. The Vikings have had a good team but they didn't have a quarterback. They got a quarterback and look what they did," he said. "I've had a good experience so I can't complain about anything."

Cerrato did some radio for the NFL Draft and said he would like to work in the media again sometime soon.

http://kaaltv.com/article/stories/S1646236.shtml?cat=10206

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Training camp starts at month's end. Why don't we let them see if the pads fit before we start making judgments?

Posted by: Samson151

So it is ok for you to speculate that the Oline will do well this year but it is not ok for me to speculate that is probably won't? Got it. So only homerism is allowed.

Just for you I will make sure all of my future post are devoid of realism.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that he also played RT in college.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I think we should keep Rino at OG. He showed pretty convincingly that he cannot handle OT.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 12, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Right Vinny...it's everyone's fault but yours, huh? I guess you had nothing to do with the failure to procure and/or develop a QB...

Asshat.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse


"He told me when I was ready he would let me know and he would make some calls for me," Cerrato said.

Quick, hang up the phone!

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for training camp to start.

Question is, which jersey do I buy this year?

I'm leaning towards Orakpo.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

You can't win without a quarterback

So VC pins this whole thing on the qb position....wow...how many did he draft/develop over that time??

So VERY glad that he's done and gone....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Question is, which jersey do I buy this year?

I'm leaning towards Orakpo.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 9:43 AM


To me, only 'Rak and Cooley are considered "safe" selections. I find the McNabb jersey a bit irresistable though...

Or you could be proactive and get a TO #18 jersey...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Right Vinny...it's everyone's fault but yours, huh? I guess you had nothing to do with the failure to procure and/or develop a QB...

Asshat.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 9:38 AM
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You are being too kind. Vinny is the poster child for rectal cranial inversion.

BTW, back on the Mike Williams thing: This might accelerate Shanny's plan to go with smaller, more athletic offensive linemen. If he decides to go full-bore with the overhaul, we could see guys like Rinehart, Williams (Edwin) and Montgomery given the heave-ho very early. Dockery is probably safe for another season, but wouldn't be surprised to see him traded if they could get someone more to their liking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Question is, which jersey do I buy this year?

I'm leaning towards Orakpo.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse


I'm still pissed about buying a Laverneus Coles jersey in 2003.

Henceforth it's throwbacks only.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 12, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Question is, which jersey do I buy this year?

I'm leaning towards Orakpo.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse


I'm still pissed about buying a Laverneus Coles jersey in 2003.

Henceforth it's throwbacks only.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 12, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

You can't win without a quarterback

So VC pins this whole thing on the qb position....wow...how many did he draft/develop over that time??

So VERY glad that he's done and gone....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 9:45 AM
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What?? You trying to tell me Colt Brennan isn't the second coming of Joe Montana? don't you know Vinny couldn't draft a QB on account of all the offensive linemen he was picking...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

"So it is ok for you to speculate that the Oline will do well this year but it is not ok for me to speculate that is probably won't? Got it. So only homerism is allowed.
Just for you I will make sure all of my future post are devoid of realism.
Posted by: srobert1117"

I'm not speculating they'll do well. I don't know how they'll do. I'm just saying, don't make up your mind until you see how they play together.

I'm guessing that advice comes too late, however.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

h8, I'd go with #87 Gardner, or with a throwback, and go with #97 Sterling Palmer

of course you can't go wrong with a #96 Lamont Hollinquest.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Can we get a new thread Already .... This is torture!!

Posted by: jiza32 | July 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

#96 will always be Rich Owens to me.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 12, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Cooley is not a safe....

McNabb is a must....I was soo tempted to buy a $20 Colt jersy and find a way to rename it....

This year isn't a good year to buy jerseys because we don't know the direction the redskins are going...Alot of people only here on 1 year contracts....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 12, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

It's almost to a point where you WANT to buy the jerseys of departed FAs for the irony factor.

Sorry - there's a listening assignment today:

Best Ironic Opening Chord Evah

When Steve Vai Still Believed in Zappa

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

4th, I don't see why Cooley wouldn't be a safe purchase...even if he were to get traded he's still easily one of the most popular Redskins over the last 10-15 years. I mean, unless you've got evidence he's fighting dogs or plowing coeds on urinals in college bars...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Great pull O_e...I used to be a big "Richie Redskin" fan!

I still with what works...my Brownwood #26 jersey. I know I'm not going anywhere...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I got Arrington (like it). Cooley (love it). And Portis (it's a given).

I'm proud of those. That's some talent there. And regardless of how their tenure is represented, they balled here.

Hail!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I still with what works...my Brownwood #26 jersey. I know I'm not going anywhere...

Posted by: brownwood26

No wonder you hate Portis. Until he's gone you'll always be the other 2-6 in this town.

Beans, go fix me a cup of coffee. 3 creams and 4 sugars, now GO...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

haha red....touche....watch your sugar intake though......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey,

Any of you "Cats" ever listen to any of that posthumously released Hendrix material?

I'm just checking it out for the first time. Pretty impressive, actually. Obviously it's not finished material, but some of the production elements are up to what he deserved instead of that pop crap machine they put him through in his age.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


'm not speculating they'll do well. I don't know how they'll do. I'm just saying, don't make up your mind until you see how they play together.

I'm guessing that advice comes too late, however.

Posted by: Samson151


It takes an o-line a few years playing together to be successful, so any form of success will take some time. Look back at the hogs. Draft, draft, and draft o-line and d-line, please.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if I can get a Chris Samuels?

That would be an awesome jersey.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I got Arrington (like it). Cooley (love it). And Portis (it's a given).

I'm proud of those. That's some talent there. And regardless of how their tenure is represented, they balled here.

Hail!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 10:32 AM |

I also have an Arrington and a Cooley. My wife has a J. Campbell but luckily for her her name begins with a J.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 12, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Nice job Jason Reid. It takes one of our linemen having a bloodclot to get a new post.

Then, the post stays up forever.

Can we at least get an update on the man, or something, anything?

I'm so glad the preseason is getting close.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Nice, Scamp!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"Question is, which jersey do I buy this year?"


Buy another redskin jersey?

I think not.

I'm still wearing my Desmond Howard jersey from back in the day.

And since mrsmoe refuses to wash it, it's always easy to find as it never passes the 'sniff' test.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

hessone, which jersey should I buy?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I think that Jersey would get up and walk on it's own, no?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

hessone, which jersey should I buy?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 10:50 AM

Wish they had a Snyder #1 ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 12, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

LOL Red, well played my friend.

ih8, my brother-in-law has a Samuels jersey...not sure if he had it personalized or if he got it in the store, but I know you can get one either way.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Killa Camp Questions.....

Does Larry Johnson have anything left in the tank?

Will Kevin Barnes be someone to count on?

Who fills in where Mike Williams is left out?

Is Devin Thomas a legit #2 receiver?

Can CP and M Sellars co-exist?

Will P Buchanon be a better corner or return guy?

Outside of T Williams, which drafted offensive player will garner on field time?

To what degree will the shadow of Albert Haynesworth's offseason antics be a disruption?

Has D Mac absorbed the new offense?

Is Kemo ready or does he need time to continue healing himself?

Will Malcolm Kelly be on the roster come Labor Day?

It's 2 weeks and counting.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Can we at least get an update on the man, or something, anything?

I'm so glad the preseason is getting close.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 10:45 AM

BMW's Monday Update - He is still alive.

I wouldn't expect more than 3 post a week for the next couple....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I would like to get a Lorenzon Alexander jersey. Maybe get a custom one that says One Man Gang. I also have a black Sean Taylor jersey. Kinda my memorial shirt to him. Rarely gets worn and when I do I inevitably get the questions. Who's jersey is that?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 12, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

You can tell the newbies... always complaining about the threads in July, but its all hood.

Fall back, even PFT is slow.

Wondering how Dexter McCluster will do this season...

psps, p1... what's the verdict on the World cup? Hope you jokers got your fill.

Oh and psps, tell me: What were you drinking on at the bar at 7AM for the last few weeks? Jagermeister? Weihenstephan?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

All this jersey talk just made me wonder…..isn’t Colt Brennan #5? Apparently not any more.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 12, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I would like an update on the different bird species spotted at Redskins Park.

Gold Finch, Cardinal, Woodpecker, Blue Jay or maybe my favorite: the kingfisher

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

From Matt Ryan of Atlanta, on studying tape of other QBs:

"I was mostly impressed with the patience under fire exhibited by Manning and Brady.
Both of those guys consistently take the underneath routes when they are given to them and don't ever think about going to another route until the defense takes the underneath route away."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Yo...I actually decided to watch highlights of the WC Champship...I keep watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...and watching...

...Tell me something, I thought the game was only 90mins? And they didn't have one score until it was almost at the 2 hour mark?? Wow....it was just boring watching the 'highlights'....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

dikshuttle

"...I think that Jersey would get up and walk on it's own, no?"

The colors have faded.

The fabric is tattered in places.

The numbers have peeled off.

But, what mrsmoe likes about it is that the letters that make up the name 'D HOWARD' have come off to where now all it says on the back is:

"D HO"

"Now," she says. "Folks know who I am and what I do when I walk down the street."


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I would like an update on the different bird species spotted at Redskins Park.

Gold Finch, Cardinal, Woodpecker, Blue Jay or maybe my favorite: the kingfisher

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 11:14 AM

When AH waddles in, there will be a yellow-bellied sapsucker.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 12, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey, if anybody up here wants to go to the HoF inductions for Russ Grimm hit me up--brownwood26@yahoo.com--I got 4 tix and I'm not gonna make it this time.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Does Larry Johnson have anything left in the tank?

In a limited role, Larry Johnson would be more than serviceable. If he's ready to commit as the short yardage back, and spelling Portis...

Will Kevin Barnes be someone to count on?

I hope this is the guy that can push Carlos Rogers out the door.

Who fills in where Mike Williams is left out?

I know this may sound crazy and I've been really NOT a fan of the guy, but I'd throw Heyer in there during training camp just to see what he can give them at that spot. But Rinehart is most likely the better option.

Is Devin Thomas a legit #2 receiver?

If he wants to be on the opening day roster, or beyond, he better prove it. A lot more questions than answers with D. Thomas at this point.

Can CP and M Sellars co-exist?

Sellars, while I appreciate what he's brought to the team since he's been here is totally expendable. Now that they have a legit starting QB and have upgraded the offensive line to something to resembling an a real NFL offensive line, I'd really like to see more single back sets.

Will P Buchanon be a better corner or return guy?

I keep forgetting the guy is on the team. Wouldn't like to think that he's the third best CB on the team, and I hope Tryon can show the coaching staff something on special teams as a return guy.

Outside of T Williams, which drafted offensive player will garner on field time?

Probably Capers if they move Hicks to RG.

To what degree will the shadow of Albert Haynesworth's offseason antics be a disruption?

They will be a little drama the first few days, but as training camp progresses, and especially if he comes in shape and ready to beast in the regular season, no one will remember his shenanigans this offseason.

Has D Mac absorbed the new offense?

Does he have a choice?

Is Kemo ready or does he need time to continue healing himself?

I think he's ready. Not for full time duty, but would be really good in a rotational situation.

Will Malcolm Kelly be on the roster come Labor Day?

No.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"I would like an update on the different bird species spotted at Redskins Park."


Local redskin fans and bird enthusiasts aren't looking forward to the mid-Summer arrival of the "Low-Class-Money-Snatcher" aka, Albert Haynesworth.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

...Tell me something, I thought the game was only 90mins? And they didn't have one score until it was almost at the 2 hour mark?? Wow....it was just boring watching the 'highlights'....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Might wanna protect ya neck for bashing, or the soccer purist will buck fiddy you.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

red, did you miss my post where I said that Spain scored 8 goals in 7 games...what part of that doesn't appeal to you.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Boy, that was a ticky-tack foul that reduced Holland to 10 men, after a brutally defensive game..Truly sucked..

Cavs owner's rant was pretty funny, but LeBron just wants to hang with his homies on the beach, methinks..He's still a kid, basically..He'll get a racing stripe tatooed on his tomahawk missile for all the poontang he'll be rockin', bwahaha!!

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Killa Camp Questions.....

Does Larry Johnson have anything left in the tank?

Will Kevin Barnes be someone to count on?

Who fills in where Mike Williams is left out?

Is Devin Thomas a legit #2 receiver?

Can CP and M Sellars co-exist?

Will P Buchanon be a better corner or return guy?

Outside of T Williams, which drafted offensive player will garner on field time?

To what degree will the shadow of Albert Haynesworth's offseason antics be a disruption?

Has D Mac absorbed the new offense?

Is Kemo ready or does he need time to continue healing himself?

Will Malcolm Kelly be on the roster come Labor Day?

It's 2 weeks and counting.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 11:06 AM
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Good questions, Moe. I would add:

-Is Lorenzo Alexander still as beastly at linebacker as Haslett bragged about earlier?

-Is this the year that we finally say good-bye to Colt Brennan or does he show us he is as good as he always thought he was?

-Is Grossman really as bad as they say?

-Will Joey Galloway make the roster? And if he does, does that mean the rest of the receivers offer so little competition that they can be beaten out by the grandfather of all receivers?

-Does Willie Parker get the axe before training camp is out?

-Will the 3-4 be the "most of the time" defense or will the 4-3?

-Is Andre Carter really not so good as a linebacker or did San Fran just not use him in the right situations?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Might wanna protect ya neck for bashing, or the soccer purist will buck fiddy you.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse


'buck fiddy'.

That's a good porn name.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 12, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Any word on Jason Campbell in Oakland. Short of playing against the Redskins, I think I am going to have to be a closet Reaiders sub-fan

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Is Devin Thomas a legit #2 receiver?

There is something really wrong with this question. The WR situation is becoming more of a mess the longer I look at it. The team has no #1 WR on staff, and only Moss as a reliable, consistent player at that position. All the other position players are still unproven or better served as role players. I guess other teams have made it work with a poor WR group but it's not a good feeling.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

beans, a 1.1 scoring average is just scintillating. Must. See. TV.


I got a friend who watched the World Cup. I think he's the only one.

He's also unemployed and has a ton of time on his hands, so there you go...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Can CP and M Sellars co-exist?

Sellars, while I appreciate what he's brought to the team since he's been here is totally expendable. Now that they have a legit starting QB and have upgraded the offensive line to something to resembling an a real NFL offensive line, I'd really like to see more single back sets.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 12, 2010 11:32 AM
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I'd like to see more single back, two tight end sets, too. Plus, I would like to see a fullback that is a little more versatile - which I think is what Shanny has in mind for Dennis Morris. Morris can catch the ball and would be a beastly threat on swing passes.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Any word on Jason Campbell in Oakland. Short of playing against the Redskins, I think I am going to have to be a closet Reaiders sub-fan

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 12, 2010 11:58 AM
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I heard he finally learned where the line of scrimmage was...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

My question is, who on earth is shelling out $110 for an ugly-ass Brian Orakpo Pro Bowl jersey?

http://store.redskins.com/cart.php?m=product_list&c=7

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 12, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell was spotted at practice throwing hail-mary passes out of bounds

Posted by: coparker5 | July 12, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Word from Legal Street is that lawyers for AH92 are preparing a lawsuit against the makers of Madden NFL Pro Football 2011 edition... claiming the videogame shows their plaintiff playing nose tackle for the Washington Redskins... in a 3-4 defensive scheme.

Said one of Haynesworth's hired hacks, "Dude would nevah play it dat way..."

They're apparently suing for $21 million in specified damages... as well as another $21 million for mental duress.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 12, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Damn, he could have started ahead of Hicks too. That really sucks.

Serves as a reminder too of how thin the OL is - especially as center where Rabach is slowing down and there's nobody proven behind him.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | July 12, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell was spotted at practice throwing hail-mary passes out of bounds

Posted by: coparker5 | July 12, 2010 12:19 PM
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I heard he was sleeping in the stadium just so he could get used to lying on the turf...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

How about Westbrook and T.O. as the Skins starting wr's? They'd be better than any combo currently on the roster.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 12, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

-Is Lorenzo Alexander still as beastly at linebacker as Haslett bragged about earlier?
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maybe..if he plays inside

-Is this the year that we finally say good-bye to Colt Brennan or does he show us he is as good as he always thought he was?
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I hope he beats out Grossman..but the coaches have their pet

-Is Grossman really as bad as they say?
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Yes!

-Will Joey Galloway make the roster? And if he does, does that mean the rest of the receivers offer so little competition that they can be beaten out by the grandfather of all receivers?
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Yes I think he'll make it...No the competition will be there..He'll be better

-Does Willie Parker get the axe before training camp is out?
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Maybe

-Will the 3-4 be the "most of the time" defense or will the 4-3?
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4-3 still rules

-Is Andre Carter really not so good as a linebacker or did San Fran just not use him in the right situations?
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They just used him wrong...Mike Nolan always fcuk things up

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Does RI have a facebook page?

Trying to jump into the 21st century here.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

sucks to hear that about BMW hope he fully recovers and can maintain his health. But really anyone that though he would have a an impact on this team was being a bit to optimistic. You just cant leave the league for multiple years change your entire body image in one year and have an actual impact in the nfl, just dosent happen. As far as the skins go this is a minor hit to our depth, but replacing him will not be very taxing as his impact was minimal at best.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 12, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

How about Westbrook and T.O. as the Skins starting wr's? They'd be better than any combo currently on the roster.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 12, 2010 12:34 PM
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I think it would be interesting to put Westbrook lined up wide as a receiver. He probably isn't all of that, though, when he is lined up against a corner rather than a linebacker he was used to seeing when he was catching balls in the flat.

Just say no to TO. The guy has nothing left. I wouldn't be opposed to the team trying out some other veterans, however, such as Javon Walker or Kevin Curtis.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Does RI have a facebook page?

Trying to jump into the 21st century here.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it's called RI hampsters or something. I would send you a link, but my job has facebook firewalled.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What, the Wiki page isn't 21st century enough?!

I prefer the underused internets, tyvm.

And remember, it's not a truck, it's a series of tubes.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Be on the lookout for a bigggg bird...

Named Alebrtius Fattaloppolius

This bugga will grab ur sandwhich, ur money and drop off its pregnant mate all in one foul football medical cart swoop.

Be afraid. Be very afraid

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 12, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@stevek20147

The $nyder #1 jersey, LMAO

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@iH8dallas

Gotta go retro with #44, SB XVII MVP

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

How about Westbrook and T.O. as the Skins starting wr's? They'd be better than any combo currently on the roster.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 12, 2010 12:34 PM

2009 rec yds avg lng td
TO: 55 829 15.1 98 5
MOSS: 70 902 12.9 59 3

Why would a older and more declining Owens and a concussed running back be a better pass catching combo then Moss and any other WR currently on the team? Im not gonna lie the position as a group is not good and needs to improve but this is not the way to do it.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 12, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I think TO will take the year off, and come back next year for league minimum. This year no one will touch him w/ CBA yet to be determined.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I think TO will take the year off, and come back next year for league minimum. This year no one will touch him w/ CBA yet to be determined.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 12, 2010 1:45 PM
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T.O. is done...CBA or no CBA...he's begging for a job as it is...after a year forget about it....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 12, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Okay, WAPO, you guys are falling asleep on the job again. Where is the news on the supplemental draft coming up this week? Did the Redskins go to Unga's workout? Did they go to Illinois DT Joshua Price-Brent's workout? Is there a chance they will take him, for say a seventh round pick?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse


How about Santana Moss strickly returning kickoffs and punts, and let the young guys try to develop.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Does RI have a facebook page?

Trying to jump into the 21st century here.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 12, 2010 12:49 PM

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=65018285990&ref=ts

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 12, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Why would Shanny bring in TO?

He has already alienated Fatsworth for his character issues.

Why would he work so hard to get this lockeroom all on the same page, just to throw a hand grenade in the lockeroom?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

How about Santana Moss strickly returning kickoffs and punts, and let the young guys try to develop.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Santana has always done well on punt returns. I would like Austin to get some time there as well.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

How about Santana Moss strickly returning kickoffs and punts, and let the young guys try to develop.

Posted by: hessone

If Moss is your number 1, scary in and of itself, you don't want him returning punts. The guy has been battling injury issues the last several years only being kept on the field with HGH injections. The last think you want to do is expose him to big hits on punt returns.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Santana has an injury monkey that requires special treatment from Primates From Above..Lets not roll the cosmic dice with him on special teams..

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So, when do we hear from Mr. Westbrook about his own little "Decision 2010"?

I'm gonna say, um, Friday July 23rd.

And he will decide to join DMac on the skins.

What say you?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 12, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have league's oldest roster

Over on the NFC West blog, Mike Sando takes a look at the average age of each NFL team's roster.

Excluding "kickers, punters or snappers because older players at those positions could distort averages in a misleading way," Sando finds the Washington Redskins have the league's oldest roster by a considerable margin. The average age of the team is 27.33, well above the next highest team, the Steelers at 26.78 and the league average of 26.04.

The next oldest NFC East team doesn't show up until the Dallas Cowboys at No. 16 with an average age of 26.0. Next is the Giants at No. 22 with an average of 25.71, making the Eagles the youngest team in the division at 25.20, ranking 29th in the league.


This is why in my opinion Shanallen should have blown the team up and started the rebuilding process. There are a lot of holes coming and not a lot of draft picks to fill them.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The man said strickly returning punts and kickoffs, meaning no receiving duties. Don't think it's a good idea but wanted to clarify.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 12, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

But I'm pretty sure he meant strictly.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 12, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone hear about those thought provoking comments from the Reverend Jackson, regarding King James?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 12, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

This is why in my opinion Shanallen should have blown the team up and started the rebuilding process. There are a lot of holes coming and not a lot of draft picks to fill them.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 2:32 PM
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So, they should have created more holes in the hopes of getting younger? I don't think so. I'd rather see a competitive team on the field every year.

Besides, this isn't Madden. Not every young player develops. In fact, few of them do. Placing all of your chips on a rookie versus a proven player just isn't prudent.

Shanahan and Allen's approach is to bring in players, regardless of age, to compete. A young guy like Ryan Torain can end up being the starter, but he has to show on the field that he is better than Larry Johnson, Clinton Ports and Willie Parker. If you look at the roster, it isn't that it is devoid of young players: the team has a lot of young players waiting in the wings, but I don't think any one of them should be handed a job just because they are younger - especially if there is a veteran ahead of them that can be more productive.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Bad ideas don't get any better with repetition.

Because Moss exclusively returning kickoffs and punts that would make as much sense as letting McNabb just doing the passing downs and letting Colt do all the running plays so he could develop.

Moss is currently the only deep threat the Skins have. Letting him return punts and kickoffs to the exclusion of being the only WR that pulls in double coverage means you have essentially no weapons in your WR corps. If you were looking to devise a method to hamstring the team, keeping Moss out of the receiving corp to "develop the new guys" would be a pretty effective strategy.

Posted by: WildBil1952 | July 12, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Santana has an injury monkey that requires special treatment from Primates From Above..Lets not roll the cosmic dice with him on special teams..

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 2:16 PM

What he said...if it means he's opposed to the idea of Moss being the primary punt and kickoff returner.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Get well, Big Mike.


Also, Lebron means The Bron.

Posted by: freakzilla | July 12, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse


@WildBil1952

It's sad when your #1 receiving threat is Santana Moss. And if that's the case, fine. I'd like to see MK and DT get more reps, freeing up Moss for the return duty that he excels at. After all, field position is king.

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

YOU ARE A FIGHTER, GET WELL SOON, CONTINUE TO PRAY IT HELPS

Posted by: tlj-dc | July 12, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

So, they should have created more holes in the hopes of getting younger? I don't think so. I'd rather see a competitive team on the field every year.

Besides, this isn't Madden. Not every young player develops. In fact, few of them do. Placing all of your chips on a rookie versus a proven player just isn't prudent.

Shanahan and Allen's approach is to bring in players, regardless of age, to compete. If you look at the roster, it isn't that it is devoid of young players: the team has a lot of young players waiting in the wings

Posted by: RedSkinHead
The method in which are describing would not put a competitive team on the field every year. With a salary cap you cannot replace players with quality free agents every year and the Redskins have cornered the market on that approach. What young players are waiting in the wings? Carter, Fletcher, Moss, Running Back(any old one), Daniels, Rabach, Hicks, Maake and McNabb are going to have to be replaced over the next 3 years. Who is waiting in the wings to replace them? This does not even include other losses like McIntosh, Rogers and Fat Al. Add two other wr spots if Thomas and or Kelly don't show up. Maybe Barnes, Riley and Rhinehart(doesnt look like it but gets 1 more year) will fill up 4 of the spots. After that the only thing I see out of the last 4 drafts and supposed young guys on the team is back up and depth guys. Maybe the 2 seventh round linemen become starters but that doesn't happen all that often as they are usually developmental guys who stay on the roster for a few years. A few of them make it but most fade away.

Woudln't be nice for a change having other teams covet your free agents as opposed overpaying for theirs'?

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Guess there's no substitute for experience...

although we might like to see a little more talent on the depth chart...

and perhaps even a few up and comers that can be coached up and groomed to move into the starting blocks in upcoming seasons.

Of course, Redskins will never be able to grow their own talent if they keep trading away draft picks for over-the-hill has-beens and never-was-es...

and keep wasting roster spaces and paying roster bonuses to players who won't play, practice, or even show up for anything but pay days.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 12, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

What young players are waiting in the wings? Carter, Fletcher, Moss, Running Back(any old one)

Carter - The one man gang
Fletcher - Hanson, Riley, Blades
Moss - ?
RB - Torrain, WIlliams, and hopefully Unga

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Daniels, Rabach, Hicks, Maake and McNabb

Daniels - Carriaker
Hicks - Rhino, Williams, Cook
Maake - ?
McNabb - ?

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In short, its not that the don't have the players to fill these holes, it's that for the most part these players are still developing. Hopefully, over the next three draft they can to the list. Hopefully, over the next three years the coaching the younger players receive makes a difference. Only time will tell.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"There is something really wrong with this question. The WR situation is becoming more of a mess the longer I look at it...."

Your comment is one of the reasons why some of us look at the chance to grab VJax as a way out of a bad way.

And if the answer to the redskin wide receiver issues isn't V Jackson, the FO goes into the offseason having to decide if S Moss is worthy of a re-upping (at 30 plus), and having to use a pick to draft a guy who has to develop with a plus 35 q-back.

Too, if McNabb's passing numbers aren't stellar as some would like given the value used to acquire him, you wonder if he gets a mulligan given what we all admit about the receiver group he inherited.

I say pull dat trigger and add Jackson.

Let's try to 'win-now' with the best pieces we can get.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Ex-Cowboy Seeks Damages for Injuries From Collapse"

DALLAS (AP) -- A former Dallas Cowboys player who was inside the team's indoor practice facility when it collapsed last year is seeking damages and says he suffered a career-ending injury.

Whereas I feel that dude's pain, I'm wondering about the manhood of a team that practices indoors.

In May.

In Texas.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse


Let's try to 'win-now' with the best pieces we can get.

Just don't give up anymore draft picks, please!

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Woudln't be nice for a change having other teams covet your free agents as opposed overpaying for theirs'?

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse
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It's not like ShanAllen had a whole heck of alot of choice if they wanted to try to put a decent product on the field this year. We weren't exactly rolling in draft choices when those two got here, especially after they acquired a QB to their liking. And thanks to the salary cap hell that Vinny put us in, going out and acquiring the high priced and young free agents that were available would have made it worse. Plus, they did, in fact, get rid of alot of the old dead weight, and I'm hopefully that the bulk of the guys they brought in can be decent for a couple of years. I'd argue that they did the only thing they could do to field a competitive team now. The some of the old guys you mentioned will start to retire at the end of the season whether ShanAllen want them to or not. My guess is that we'll see a smarter use of the draft in the next few years, to include at least one additional crop of Olinemen, some LBs, and one or two RBs, which will allow us to become younger while still being much more successful than under Zorn. How much more - who knows. Assuming McNabb is McNabb (and still in a Redskins uniform) for another couple years, I would assume Shanny will want to acquire another QQ to replace him in 2 years.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 12, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

hessone

"Just don't give up anymore draft picks, please!"


How 'bout a pair of bodies?

I'd send Albert Haynesworth and Malcolm Kelly/Chris Horton tomorrow morning if AJ Smith said, "Sure, why not."

But if the idea is to keep a pick to draft a receiver, then, why not get a receiver at the onset of his prime?

Again: pull dat trigga.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

After all, field position is king.

Posted by: hessone


No, outscoring your oppoition is King.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 12, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

After all, field position is king.

Posted by: hessone


No, outscoring your opposition is King.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 12, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Woudln't be nice for a change having other teams covet your free agents as opposed overpaying for theirs'?

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 3:37 PM
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I get what you are saying but I think you are inferring too much from what has gone before the current crew. Give Shanahan and Allen a little credit. You have to consider the new coaching staff's ability to develop players. Jim Zorn didn't like to play rookies and as a result, player development was stymied. I guess you could say Vinny picked the lemons and then Zorn let them rot on the shelf.

Conversely, take a guy like our current running backs coach who has done an incredible job with rookie running backs in his previous stops. A guy like that is going to develop the Ryan Torains of the world. Remember Fred Davis? Zorn would have let him rot before playing him until Cooney was injured. Who is to say that Devin Thomas won't be this year's Fred Davis? Or Ryan Torain? Or Jermy Jarmon? Or Kevin Barnes?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Conversely, take a guy like our current running backs coach who has done an incredible job with rookie running backs in his previous stops. A guy like that is going to develop the Ryan Torains of the world. Remember Fred Davis? Zorn would have let him rot before playing him until Cooney was injured. Who is to say that Devin Thomas won't be this year's Fred Davis? Or Ryan Torain? Or Jermy Jarmon? Or Kevin Barnes?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 4:14 PM
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Cooley not Cooney.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Carter - The one man gang
Fletcher - Hanson, Riley, Blades
Moss - ?
RB - Torrain, WIlliams, and hopefully Unga

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Daniels, Rabach, Hicks, Maake and McNabb

Daniels - Carriaker
Hicks - Rhino, Williams, Cook
Maake - ?
McNabb - ?

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In short, its not that the don't have the players to fill these holes, it's that for the most part these players are still developing. Hopefully, over the next three draft they can to the list. Hopefully, over the next three years the coaching the younger players receive makes a difference. Only time will tell.


Posted by: TWISI
Of the guys you posted. I see Riley and maybe as a potential ILB. Blades and henson are backups. One Man gang is not playing 3-4 OLB at 6'1" 280lbs.

Carriker is running out of opportunities. He has underperformed and not been able to stay healthy. Rhino and Williams have shown nothing. Cook is a 7th round project. Less than 50/50 he becomes a starter caliber player.

There is not much there behind the starters and they are old.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

sroberts1117

"There is not much there behind the starters and they are old."

The proper analogy is that the 2010 Washington Redskins' roster is front-loaded and depth-less like a certain South Florida pro basketball team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Of the guys you posted. I see Riley and maybe as a potential ILB. Blades and henson are backups. One Man gang is not playing 3-4 OLB at 6'1" 280lbs.

Carriker is running out of opportunities. He has underperformed and not been able to stay healthy. Rhino and Williams have shown nothing. Cook is a 7th round project. Less than 50/50 he becomes a starter caliber player.

There is not much there behind the starters and they are old.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

You're entitled to your opinion of course, but from all accounts Lorenzo has had a very strong showing so far playing OLB. It's too early to say what Henson is, particularly since we haven't seen him play ILB in this defense and the fact that most players make their greatest improvement in their second year. Carriker was/and is a 3-4 DE, a position he hasn't played since his rookie year. He's always been a good player against the run, not much as a pass rusher. As for the other players you mentioned, they are all 3or less year in the league, If you are going to build through the draft you have to wait for these guys to develop. If you cast them aside after a couple of years of work, how much better a strategy is that than chasing the FA championship?

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I get what you are saying but I think you are inferring too much from what has gone before the current crew. Give Shanahan and Allen a little credit. You have to consider the new coaching staff's ability to develop players. Jim Zorn didn't like to play rookies and as a result, player development was stymied. I guess you could say Vinny picked the lemons and then Zorn let them rot on the shelf.

Conversely, take a guy like our current running backs coach who has done an incredible job with rookie running backs in his previous stops. A guy like that is going to develop the Ryan Torains of the world. Remember Fred Davis? Zorn would have let him rot before playing him until Cooney was injured. Who is to say that Devin Thomas won't be this year's Fred Davis? Or Ryan Torain? Or Jermy Jarmon? Or Kevin Barnes?

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Zorn did not have much to work with in regards to younger players. The previous regime pi$$ed away draft picks. Grabbing a bunch of guys late in the draft is not really effective way of adding youth to roster. The new regime has done a good job of not going out and signing any high priced free agents. But they also have further depleted the number of draft picks moving forward. Yes they took the only path to putting a competitive team on the field this year. But what if a 7-9, 8-8 season this year leads to below average teams in years 3, 4, 5 when they don't have a QB? The rebuild when it comes will be more painful because of lack of quality draft picks over the last 4 years. Already without two mid round picks next year. That is when you bring in quality players. Not in the 6th or 7th round. At that point you are looking for diamonds in the rough.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 12, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

With overall team amoeba upgrade under Shanaiien, I'd expect the backups will step up, at least more than under The Zorn Debacle..

Shuttle, I remember "Crash Landing" by Hendrix had some nice blues on the psychedelic gradient..Truly an electric Mozart dropped out of the sky..

http://www.ecrater.com/p/2110796/jimi-hendrix-crash-landing-cd-1975-1990

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"and the fact that most players make their greatest improvement in their second year.posted by TWISI"

Except WRs. For them it's the third season, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Except WRs. For them it's the third season, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 4:42 PM

I certainly hope so.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Give Shanahan and Allen a little credit."


Whereas I like the general direction they are taking us all in, I'll reserve judgement as there are a couple of issues that'll derail their efforts:

What if McNabb's play isn't on par with the value spent to add him?

Jamaal Brown and Derrick Dockery both get hurt: who are the back ups?

At what point does Prince Al's presence on the roster become senseless if he won't play and other teams are only offering mid-level picks for him?

If the weak receiver play allows teams to play the skins with 8-man fronts that stop the running game, who will argue that saving future picks is smart when a stud receiver could've been had makes sense?

Team Shanallen has avoided the personnel potholes that Team Cerrato cluelessly created.

Now, you have to hope they haven't created any of their own.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Excluding "kickers, punters or snappers because older players at those positions could distort averages in a misleading way," Sando finds the Washington Redskins have the league's oldest roster by a considerable margin. The average age of the team is 27.33, well above the next highest team, the Steelers at 26.78 and the league average of 26.04.The next oldest NFC East team doesn't show up until the Dallas Cowboys at No. 16 with an average age of 26.0. Next is the Giants at No. 22 with an average of 25.71, making the Eagles the youngest team in the division at 25.20, ranking 29th in the league."

And the weird thing is, they've actually gotten a bit younger at many positions -- both lines, for instance.

Still, you have to start somewhere, and this is how Allen and Shanahan have chosen to approach it.

The Eagles are in the midst of what appears to be a full-blown rebuild that may be even more drastic if Vick can't suit up. The Giants did a reverse-field last season, finishing with an effective offense and a multitude of problems on defense. Dallas looks like the clear favorite but they've got questions, too.

The Skins got older at QB and RB and younger on the lines. They're still thin at LB (not quite as bad as last season) and WR, and who knows who'll get hurt next?

We should know a lot more in a month.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Zorn did not have much to work with in regards to younger players

bullcrap....he had younger players, he either ignored them all together(Davis), put them into the lineup, then pulled them out, then put them in(rhino), didn't use them properly(Kelly running 'go' routes), or didn't targer them often enough in the passing game, (Thomas, 7 catches 100 yards versus NO, then bupkus next game)....

sorry, that dog wont hunt.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 12, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to TO. The guy has nothing left. I wouldn't be opposed to the team trying out some other veterans, however, such as Javon Walker or Kevin Curtis.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 1:20 PM


Wow, so you don't want TO because he's got a rep for being a turd, but you want Javon Walker...who has a rep for being a turd? I mean, at least TO can be a turd AND produce at a high level! Javon stays hurt, has a work ethic that even Haynesworth shakes his head at, and has one really good year that he's been living off of his whole career. I'd take TWO TOs before I take even a half a Javon Walker.

I will say kicking the tires on Kevin Curtis wouldn't be a bad idea...he's had some injury issues, but he's a good locker room guy and would be a nice vertical option on offense. But I don't think he plays special teams, which would be a problem for a guy who's probably not going to be higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"Whereas I like the general direction they are taking us all in, I'll reserve judgement as there are a couple of issues that'll derail their efforts: What if McNabb's play isn't on par with the value spent to add him? Jamaal Brown and Derrick Dockery both get hurt: who are the back ups? At what point does Prince Al's presence on the roster become senseless if he won't play and other teams are only offering mid-level picks for him? If the weak receiver play allows teams to play the skins with 8-man fronts that stop the running game, who will argue that saving future picks is smart when a stud receiver could've been had makes sense?"

If that's 'reserving judgment', I'd hate to think what you're like when you're letting the judgments fly.

Here's a question: given the team's performance last season, and the fact that we haven't seen them do any hitting at all yet, what are reasonable expectations for the coming season?

Not just in terms of won-loss record, because that's particularly hard to predict, but in terms of the key aspects of team performance.

It's actually pretty difficult to come up with an answer at this point. But anybody care to try?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Nice post Cork, but you are showing your age.

Which reminds me, RIP T_E/L-E/beep-beep. You lived a long and insignificant life but at least TheCork still posts from time to time.

Posted by: Diesel44 |

Good thing I didn't list Casablanca, It Happened One Night or The Philadelphia Story as favorite movies, huh?

City Island was released this year, In the Loop Last year and others are on DVD or cable.

Oh, I'm old, but not sure how my list shows my age.

Posted by: TheCork | July 12, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

There are two things I can watch over and over and never tire of - one is scenes from Ace Ventura and the other is Mel Gibson in the Christmas tree lot scene at the beginning of the first Lethal Weapon movie.

Posted by: CrimeScene |

Mel is continuing to entertain us as his career becomes burnt toast.

I prefer the "A Christams Story" tree lot scene. "Tree? Heck, this ain't no tree. Now this here's a tree!"

But the single funnist scene I've ever come across is, in a relatively unfunny movie directed by one of the greatest comedy directors ever--Blake Edwards.

It occurs about 45 minutes into "The Man Who Loved Women." It involved Burt Reynolds, a Texan, a little dog, crazy glue, a stoned parking lot attendant and a shag rug."

Edwards also directed a few other classic funny scenes in "The Pink Panther" series "10" "The Party" and some other comedy classics, and my favorite Romcom ever, "Breakfast at Tiffanys"

Posted by: TheCork | July 12, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced that Bruce Allen's approach to rebuilding will yield us a young, competitive team by 2012. With the exception of McNabb, most of our "old guy" free agents have come without giving up draft picks, and don't have expensive long term contracts. These guys are experienced veterans who are there to fill positions just long enough to replace them with draft picks and young free agents in the next couple years. This also gives us the chance to be competitive now without blowing our resources for the future.

IF there is no lockout next year, I would not be suprised if some of this year's old guys are replaced with another batch of cheap, short-term old guys.

Our draft situation for next year isn't as bad as it has been in many recent years. especially if we are able to pick up another draft pick in exchange for Fat Albert. I also expect we will see a trend toward keeping even more of our picks in the next several years.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 12, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Confessions of a man in his 30's that occasionally wears another man's jersey..

I'm the proud owner of..

Riggins throwback (white)
Monk throwback (Burg & autographed)
Taylor (pro bowl #21/burg #36)

That's it that's the list for me.

My son has a #56 & #30

If I had to go with a current skin it would have to be #98. I'll root for McNabb but would NEVER wear his jersey.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 12, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Zilla,
Nice to see you post from time to time.

Any seasoned thoughts on the coming season?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 12, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced that Bruce Allen's approach to rebuilding will yield us a young, competitive team by 2012. With the exception of McNabb, most of our "old guy" free agents have come without giving up draft picks, and don't have expensive long term contracts. These guys are experienced veterans who are there to fill positions just long enough to replace them with draft picks and young free agents in the next couple years. This also gives us the chance to be competitive now without blowing our resources for the future.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 12, 2010 6:26 PM


Thank you! Well said indeed. Much is made of the Redskins being "the oldest team in the league", but what no one wants to acknowledge is that Joey Galloway and Philip Daniels alone blows that up to the top. Plus, many of the older players on the team are depth players on one year deals to fill positions until we're able to draft their replacements. Hell, a good number of them (Galloway included) probably won't last to the end of training camp, let alone Week 17. This team is in transition and teams in transition with a new staff and new FO have to start somewhere...and they've chose to roll with a good mix of youth and experience. Just because they have old guys at the end of the bench instead of undrafted rookies doesn't mean that the rebuild is somehow tainted. Just ask the Pats how veteran depth can be of help...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

It worked when Vince Lombardi did it.
George Allen did it too.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 12, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

We should know a lot more in a month.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 12, 2010 4:52 PM

agree with the overall argument, and we'll see things happen in the next month... but make that at least six months before we know "a lot more"?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 12, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

for summer movie recommendations, we stumbled across "Spirited Away" for one of our calves... turns out the grown-ups enjoyed it as much if not more.

cheers all... family visiting from east coast, doing the grand tour of mountains and rivers for the next week.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 12, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I hope we know a lot more about most of our guys by the end of October.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 12, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

moo,
where's your barn?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 12, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Confessions of a man in his 30's that occasionally wears another man's jersey..

I'm the proud owner of..

Riggins throwback (white)
Monk throwback (Burg & autographed)
Taylor (pro bowl #21/burg #36)

That's it that's the list for me.

My son has a #56 & #30

If I had to go with a current skin it would have to be #98. I'll root for McNabb but would NEVER wear his jersey.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 12, 2010 6:37 PM |

I listed my modern era jerseys a bit ago. I also have a Monk and a Riggins throwback as well as a Green which was difficult to get.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 12, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Diesel,
You honestly still wear jerseys?

I wear Skins shirts, caps, but I gave up player jerseys in HS.

Oh well, different strokes for different folks.

Diesel, sad about BMW, huh?
Was really thinking this year he would have a good year.

Good day to you Diesel !
HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 12, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

A Throwback 55 "Hanburger" jersey would look good on the clothesline...

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

scamp- #28 is another one I would own. I have his rookie card that he was nice enough to autograph back in the day.

RedskinRay-

I'll wear it on game day, but that's it. As far as Skins gear...I have a few hats and t-shirts and to be honest most of the gear is goofy looking. Snyder should fire whoever is responsible for designing that crap.

Good day to you Ray.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 12, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

"Clothesline", heh-heheh-heheh, get it Butthead?? Heheh-heh-heheh..

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to TO. The guy has nothing left. I wouldn't be opposed to the team trying out some other veterans, however, such as Javon Walker or Kevin Curtis.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 1:20 PM


Wow, so you don't want TO because he's got a rep for being a turd, but you want Javon Walker...who has a rep for being a turd? I mean, at least TO can be a turd AND produce at a high level! Javon stays hurt, has a work ethic that even Haynesworth shakes his head at, and has one really good year that he's been living off of his whole career. I'd take TWO TOs before I take even a half a Javon Walker.

I will say kicking the tires on Kevin Curtis wouldn't be a bad idea...he's had some injury issues, but he's a good locker room guy and would be a nice vertical option on offense. But I don't think he plays special teams, which would be a problem for a guy who's probably not going to be higher than 3rd or 4th on the depth chart...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 4:58 PM
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Brownwoodie,
I agree Walker is an attitude problem waiting to happen, but Shanahan was able to use him effectively in the past, and unlike TO, he's got something left in his tank. Plus, a lot of Walker's problems came when he was playing for that silver and black sink hole known as the Raiders. There was another wide receiver that had issues there and somehow seemed to be less turdlike once he got away from Grandpa Al.

Curtis is coming off injury and I am not sure how healthy he is, but if he can still get it in gear, I think he could be a low risk - high reward kind of player.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn did not have much to work with in regards to younger players"

I'd say real issue is that as to date, is that not a one of the offensive players drafted before and during his tenure has become a keeper.

Outside of bumping into C Cooley, we haven't grown our own playmakers.

The '07 draft delivered L Landry early, but no touchdown makers to date.

We had 10 picks in '08 and two seasons later, only Fred Davis has a defined role in the offense.

A defender selected in '09--B Orakpo--helped, but alas, a lot of sacks don't help if your own offense is wack.

The 'O' got help with the added linemen '10.

But as the '08 receivers haven't matured, the '05 quarterback is gone, we have in the skins a team that just hasn't pulled the right cards when it comes to adding young, dynamic offensive players.

In fact, the offense we hope to see this Fall features players--McNabb/Portis/Johnson/Moss--drafted long ago by other franchises.

You can condemn Jim Zorn all you want.

But at some point, you have to acknowledge that whomever has been picking our offensive players over the last decade has done a heck of a bad job.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

twisi

Thanks for the reading material.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 8:46 PM

I think the issue with Zorn is that he didn't use their personnel he had to its fullest advantage. He just seemed too stubborn to some preconceived idea of how to manage a club. What made things worse for Zorn was his early success. When the failure began to pile up, Zorn seemed unwilling or unable to make adjustments to his "offense".

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Curtis is coming off injury and I am not sure how healthy he is, but if he can still get it in gear, I think he could be a low risk - high reward kind of player.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 12, 2010 8:13 PM


Absolutely agree there. But I still think there's more upside from TO than there is with Walker, regardless of whether Shanahan had in Denver or not.

Don't forget Shanahan made a run at TO before he hit Dallas, so it's not like Shanahan hasn't been willing to at least kick TO's tires in the past. It's cool if he decides "thanks but no thanks" this time around, but I just don't buy that the guy has nothing left in the tank because I think if he had a better situation than the one in Buffalo last year, his numbers would have been far better and we wouldn't hear this "he's lost a step" talk.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"I guess that's true. You never know what can happen. But I'll bet you three dead Verizon Center cockroaches that Terrell Owens doesn't play for the Redskins."
"Wise" on his Bog

I'll take that bet, and raise you two fat Chinatown rats that he does..

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I just don't buy that the guy has nothing left in the tank because I think if he had a better situation than the one in Buffalo last year, his numbers would have been far better and we wouldn't hear this "he's lost a step" talk.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 12, 2010 9:13 PM

I would say the same thing about Moss. If he had a better complimentary receiver, a better offensive sytem, and an o-line that gave his QB more time in the pocket, I think he would have had bigger numbers the past two years. I don't agree with the posters up here who say he can't be a legit #1 receiver for the Skins this year. As long as somebody steps up to be a real #2 guy, Moss will be just fine.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 12, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"I think the issue with Zorn is that he didn't use the personnel he had to its fullest advantage."


True.

And those of us with a colder eye than most would say he also had very little to work with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

TO and McNabb have a repor...Sh*t, bring the 'Bama 20 degrees warmer in December to DC, and Hell, everybody matures (eventually, or at least ripens in The Oblong Box)..I mean, dude had a 98 yd TD in BUFFALO, fer cryin' out loud:


http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellowens/profile?id=OWE755129

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan thinks we need T.O., we would have already signed him.

The fact that T.O. is still sitting around waiting for the phone to ring shows that no one around the whole NFL thinks that his value outweighs the potential negative effects of his ego anymore. I don't think he'll get signed until somebody is desperate. I hope the Skins don't get to that point.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 12, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse


Our Skins...aging rapidly, going downhill, surrounded by younger teams looking for a brighter future.

Posted by: scmonty1

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe just re-watched the game VJack had against the cowboys and the giants. Dudes a real tough matchup for their corners..at least the ones they had last year. Would love to see him in DC if he becomes available.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse


Our Skins...aging rapidly, going downhill, surrounded by younger teams looking for a brighter future.

Posted by: scmonty1

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse


Our Skins...aging rapidly, going downhill, surrounded by younger teams looking for a brighter future.

Posted by: scmonty1

Posted by: hessone | July 12, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe just re-watched the game VJack had against the cowboys and the giants. Dudes a real tough matchup for their corners..at least the ones they had last year. Would love to see him in DC if he becomes available.

Posted by: TWISI | July 12, 2010 9:59 PM

Soooooo TWISI,
How is it that you know what MistaMoe is up to?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 12, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"Would love to see him in DC if he becomes available."

At 6'5" 230 pounds with quality wide receiver skills, dude is a match up for most of the corners in the league.

I'll be honest and say I don't think Jackson will be traded.

But, alas, I'm not honest.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'll admit to The Chelada Strikes Back on The TO Conundrum, but we do seriously need another WR if Satana can't muster the juju or the hormone to keep those hammies from tweakin', particularly under the NFL microscope..At least get a decent #2 WR like Crayton, and we'll Pitch and Catch with the Smurfs all day long..Victor Jango would be great, but from the looks of that squinty-eyed GM, they're not going to part for anything less than a first (stingy-a**ed, union-bustin', flameout Chargers)...Send us Vince Jackson, or we'll have Seals detonate nukes along the San Andreas on Opening Day..OI!!

Posted by: frak | July 12, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Everyones talking about the holes we got.....

Here's a great topic since no new threads coming up......

With our RI highly coveted draft picks what positions are you guys thinking we draft????

Here's my positons by round...

1- wr/ cb/ fs (depending on signing of FA)

2- rb/nt/cb

5- lb, c

6- g, t

7- de/ lb

I also hope that in this yrs draft we trade up into the middle rounds. I think this draft we will make more mid draft trades invloves player/pick combo deals to get the players were targeting.

Oh and for the record I'm STILL for VJAX!! ( even if we gotta wait till Free Agency, this dude would be a great building block if he can stay away from Adams Morgan.....)

Thoughts???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 13, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Everyones talking about the holes we got.....

Here's a great topic since no new threads coming up......

With our RI highly coveted draft picks what positions are you guys thinking we draft????

Here's my positons by round...

1- wr/ cb/ fs (depending on signing of FA)

2- rb/nt/cb

5- lb, c

6- g, t

7- de/ lb

I also hope that in this yrs draft we trade up into the middle rounds. I think this draft we will make more mid draft trades invloves player/pick combo deals to get the players were targeting.

Oh and for the record I'm STILL for VJAX!! ( even if we gotta wait till Free Agency, this dude would be a great building block if he can stay away from Adams Morgan.....)

Thoughts???

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 13, 2010 1:06 AM | Report abuse

moe we agree again good sir....

Jackson sadly won't be given up for the price that Shanny is willing to pay.

Id take him but I've never won a super bowl.... ( madden doesn't count.... sad but I felt the need to explain that cuz of all the madden talk)

I think Jackson will be a Redskins.

He will be our big signing next year.... when we can pay him n keep our picks...

Id say we got a pretty good shot considering him n McNabb r tossing around the pigskin already.....( why aren't DT, MK, Moss or Austin there???)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 13, 2010 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Redskin* sorry for the typo guys Ipad adds letters sometimes and mutliple posts......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 13, 2010 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Redskin* sorry for the typo guys Ipad adds letters sometimes and mutliple posts......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 13, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Sure, sure, blame the iPad, brandon.

Where were you and your fancy iPad during the march to 100k, eh?

Sheesh...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 13, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Where were you and your fancy iPad during the march to 100k, eh?


Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 13, 2010 1:41 AM |

March to 100k? What the aitche is that?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 13, 2010 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, it's finally here...the Madden player ratings for the Redskins:

http://espn.go.com/espn/thelife/videogames/blog/_/name/thegamer/id/5373632/cowboys-redskins?readmore=fullstory

Some thoughts on the ratings:

-The 4-12 shibacle of last year has caused the guys who do the ratings to sleep HARD on some of our best players...Cooley is better than an 89, IMO and Moss should get a couple points more than an 83. His Pinkston-esque 43 strength rating is laughable, considering it's one less than Graham Gano--our kicker.

-Albert Haynesworth took a dip in rating from a 99 last year to an 86 this year (part of that has to do with the switch from DT to RE). His 88 awareness rating is tied for the highest on the D-line...not bad for a guy who has yet to learn the defense.

-The 3-4 switch has our ratings and positions all out of whack. Andre Carter--who notoriously sucked in a 3-4 in San Fran--has a 76 rating as the presumed starter at ROLB. Jeremy Jarmon is listed as a DE despite his weak 74 strength rating (he's probably better suited to play OLB, at least on the game). Looks like I'll be busy switching positions and boosting ratings this year...

-Laron Landry is our highest rated DB (he's been switched to SS on the game)with an 87 rating. Here's hoping he lives up to that. Interesting enough, the folks at Madden have finally gotten word that Carlos Rogers sucks...his rating is an all-time low 79 with a whopping 35 catch rating. To put that in perspective, even Donovan McNabb has a 48 catch rating.

Damn, I can't wait till August 10th...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

A couple more Madden thoughts (since it's slow up here today):

-Madden hooked Trent Williams up with his rating (80 overall). What caught my eye is that he's got ridiculous speed (72 rating) and his strength rating is abnormally high (91) for a guy who could only muster about 22 reps in the bench press. 'Bout time we got a break in our favor--even if it is in the digital world.

-The Jammal Brown trade didn't happen in time to make its way onto the game, so Derrick Dockery is tied for our best O-lineman with an 80 rating. Tied with not only Trent Williams, but Mike Williams (who was overrated with an 80, IMO). The guy we're counting on to man the RG spot (Artis Hicks) has just a 66 rating. Ugh.

-I think Maake Kemoeatu got a spot on rating with a 76. He's got all the key attributes to be a nice NT...97 strength, 85 tackle. Albert who?

-The new rating this year is "swagger" rating, which I think refers to player confidence and increases the likelihood that they'll celebrate after making a play. There's not much swagger on the Skins...only McNabb, Haynesworth and DHall (shocker) have a swagger rating over 90. Portis is just under that threshold with an 89 swagger rating, but suffice it to say that there's not much swag on offense.

Alright...I've done all the heavy lifting here. I know Alex is a Madden fan, but if this doesn't jump start the blog I'm not sure what will...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

March to 100k? What the aitche is that?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 13, 2010 5:55 AM

If you have to ask, you probably shouldn't be posting up here.

The march to 100k is to Redskins Insider what the American Revolution is to the United States of America. This is when the Founding Fathers -- nateinthePDX, dcsween, 4th, 4-12, cHrIslarrY, brownwood, and others who aren't with us today like Redcoat -- struggled to reach 100,000 posts and put Redskins Insider on the map as WaPo's premier blog. They were led by a jovial but focused Blogmaster, Cindy Boren, who periodically spurred them on. This march produced some memorable posts like "Are we there yet?" "When are we going to get a new post?" or the occasional "Hail to 'em!!!!!"

It was a time of sacrifice -- both to make the posts and, even more, to read them. But without that sacrifice you would probably be posting today on Extreme Skins and would not enjoy the freedom to say what you really mean. For example, Brandon couldn't blame his "iPad" for his mistakes. He would have to blame a generic "posting device" because his words would be controlled so as not to offend a potential sponsor.

So, you are the beneficiary of the sacrifices of others. We celebrate these sacrifices every year by drinking a beer and saying something like "Hail to 'em!" on 100K DAY -- April 27th. Or is it May 9? June 12? It doesn't matter. We just have that little celebration everyday.

Posted by: beep-beep | July 13, 2010 7:05 AM | Report abuse

-The new rating this year is "swagger" rating, which I think refers to player confidence and increases the likelihood that they'll celebrate after making a play. There's not much swagger on the Skins...only McNabb, Haynesworth and DHall (shocker) have a swagger rating over 90. Portis is just under that threshold with an 89 swagger rating, but suffice it to say that there's not much swag on offense.

Alright...I've done all the heavy lifting here. I know Alex is a Madden fan, but if this doesn't jump start the blog I'm not sure what will...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 6:59 AM
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I'm just sorry that Electronic Arts decided that they would no longer make Madden for the PC. I am stuck using a version from a few years ago. I had the very first Madden game and it was for the PC and have been playing it on computer ever since. I admit there were a few years there when I defected to Sierra's Football Pro because of the better play writing interface, but I eventually found my way back to Madden (although the play writing interface still isn't as good as it could be).

As far as "swagger", it doesn't sound like it has much of an impact on the player's performance. You'll have to let me know more about it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 13, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

RSH, swagger is just a way for EA to make money off the game...it's called "Old Spice swagger rating", so it's just a whack source of revenue. I doubt it'll have much impact on the game, outside of guys prancing around after tackles and TDs and what not.

Never played Madden on PC, but you're not the first person I've heard complain that it's not available on PC anymore. I guess it's just more popular on the "next gen" platforms and they try to cater to that audience.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"I think the issue with Zorn is that he didn't use the personnel he had to its fullest advantage."

True.

And those of us with a colder eye than most would say he also had very little to work with.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 12, 2010 9:27 PM
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Right on both scores. Zorn and Cerrato were the perfect storm of bad talent evaluation and an inability to develop players. I think a truly effective team has an eye for talent and an ability to mine talent from some of the most unexpected places. This is why Gibbs and Beathard were so good together. I am hoping that this will be true with Allen and Shanahan, too.

I am anxious to see what happens as we get closer to the regular season. Beathard always watched the waiver wire for diamonds in the rough, and even after the season began, he never really stopped looking for players. I often said last year that Cerrato was part of "the laziest front office" in football, because even though the Redskins had many positions of need, we almost never heard of players coming in for workouts. There were some quality players on other teams' developmental rosters last year - players that really could have helped make the team better, but the Redskins rarely snagged any. I am thinking that Allen, if put in a similar situation, will get the talent that can help the team develop.

On the developmental side, I am thinking Shanahan will be a lot less reluctant to play those younger players. Additionally, if we can get ahead in a few games, it might provide the opportunity to get some of those younger players on the field to get some valuable game play experience.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 13, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Psychotronic movies, Cemetary Man was on the satellite last night, with a young 7 of 9 buck nekkid makin' soft porn- I'll be sending a bill to Dish TV for burning the circuits out of my hdtv..Jeeziz, you could fill out a whole roster with little Redskins with that intergalactic thing running around the house..

Posted by: frak | July 13, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Zorn did not have much to work with in regards to younger players

bullcrap....he had younger players, he either ignored them all together(Davis), put them into the lineup, then pulled them out, then put them in(rhino), didn't use them properly(Kelly running 'go' routes), or didn't targer them often enough in the passing game, (Thomas, 7 catches 100 yards versus NO, then bupkus next game)....

sorry, that dog wont hunt.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Have you been living in a vacuum the last 5 years??? What has been the Redskins approach to the draft? Are you saying Cerrato was not the problem? So Zorn is at fault because Davis is sitting behind a Pro Bowl Tight End? I seem to remember that Thomas, Kelly and Davis all had maturity issues early on. Kelly and Thomas have not been able to stay healthy. Other than those 3 what young players were provided by Cerrato to Zorn.

I am not making excuses for Zorn as a coach but rather pointing to the fact that the team has not brought in much talent at all over the last 5 years, which is why the team is the oldest in the league.

Blaming Zorn for the lack of young players is misguided.

He put players in and pulled them out because they were awful.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 13, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

srobert, what's misguided is constantly bringing up the Redskins being "the oldest team in the league". I guarantee simply cutting Phil Daniels and Joey Galloway would take us out of the top 5 on that list.

And attributing the Redskins failures to one or even two guys is equally misguided...you don't go 4-12 just because of one guy. Some hold more responsibility than others (you know, cause-and-effect and all), but all the factors both you and Greg spelled out there are correct.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

1117, are you serious?

rhino was put into the lineup, then pulled out of the lineup because VC wanted to pimp MWilliams, who then got hurt, and rhino was put back into the lineup.

A good coach finds a way to use both Davis and Cooley. A lousy coach lets one rot on the bench until the other gets hurt.

"maturity issues"...are you serious? Seriously, I need to know if this is serious or not....Davis overslept 1 time, and was known to giggle/laugh...yup...thats maturity issues all right.....given the pathetic offense that the team had compared with those he played on at USC, do you blame him for laughing??

So you're on board with not utilizing the players to fit their strengths, but trying to RAM them into your scheme....

I mean...wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 13, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

srobert, what's misguided is constantly bringing up the Redskins being "the oldest team in the league".

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 8:09 AM

Also what's misguided is the notion that having the oldest team is necessarily a bad thing. The Saints had the 2nd oldest team last year, and won the superbowl. The Pats were the oldest and made the playoofs. If I'm not mistaken, four of the playoff teams were among the top ten in that computation.

Posted by: TWISI | July 13, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Exactly TWISI...plus that stat doesn't differentiate between the starters and backups. Seems to me, backing up your starters with old vets can't be considered worse than backing them up with rookies or undrafted FAs.

I mean, the average age we're talking about here is 28. All that stat tells me is that we've got a good mix of youth and experience.

All that matters to me is that we got younger on the O-line and on the D-line. Anything beyond that is gravy, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

The average age in September has got to be more significant that the average age in July.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 13, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I would assume these guys are on SWPL:

StarSJKer
Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

They're also a target ad! Even more evidence....

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 13, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

brandon_in_cali

"I think Jackson will be a Redskins...He will be our big signing next year....when we can pay him n keep our picks..."

This sounds like a smart way to go about acquiring a top flight player.

But I'll also say whatever deal he eventually strikes with the chargers (or team success/failure) will effect if he's traded.

Realistically, the chargers are primed for a Super Bowl run.

And AJ Smith is not going to let VJax's money-grubbin' antics or suspension get in the way of that.

Think about it: you trade Jackson, Gates or Sproles gets hurt late in the season, and the fanbase/media/Norv/owner asks, "Jus' what were you thinkin', bro'?"

But, if that run goes wrong, then, next Spring's FA period might render us Jackson or some other big time young receiver.

'Cuz we damn sure could use one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Since it slow up here during the summer how bout we play a game. I was thinking CLUE the redskins insider edition.

Here I will start it off.

Who killed Redskins Insider blog.

My guess is the Mayor in the newsroom with no new post

Posted by: GreatOne1 | July 13, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Dohp! Remember a few years ago when we were all shiny & CynCty was tallyin' comments?

Maybe if they solicited accounts from places we actually frequent (Giant/Safeway/Rita's/McD's) they could score some jack offa all our obsessiveness. Then again, maybe no.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 13, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse


RI = Vacationing in the Bahamas

Posted by: hessone | July 13, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

greatone1

"My guess is the Mayor in the newsroom with no new post..."


The RI Blog is not dead, just lying low before the storm of training camp hits.

I'd give mistamayor a break as with camp coming up in a couple weeks, I'd say he needs his rest and family time.

He's probably sittin' in a cubicle now double-checkin' all his Haynesworth quotes for veracity.

He's probably grousing 'bout how La Canfora left behind an irritable gang of chest-thumping, work-shirking goons as posters.

Plus, who reads the threads for info anyways?


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

srobert, what's misguided is constantly bringing up the Redskins being "the oldest team in the league". I guarantee simply cutting Phil Daniels and Joey Galloway would take us out of the top 5 on that list.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 13, 2010 8:09 AM

Nice try bw26...

Rank Team Average age
1 Washington Redskins 27.33
2 Pittsburgh Steelers 26.78
3 Cleveland Browns 26.78
4 Minnesota Vikings 26.76
5 Baltimore Ravens 26.68

"Cut" Daniels and Galloway and add two 24 year old players and the average dips to 26.82, Still #1.

Barring injury, Daniels is a lock and in order for Galloway to get cut, somebody is going to have beat him out. Shanny's version of James Thrash.

Age is relative anyway, just look at the Colts and Eagles who are two of the top 5 youngest teams. Maybe if the Colts cut Freeny and Manning they could be the youngest.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

RIP George Steinbrenner......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 13, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

RIP Mel Gibson...

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but it’s an amusing story from nflhof dot com:

http://www.profootballhof.com/history/2010/7/12/rice-to-monk-to-rice-to-canton/

The Pro Football Hall of Fame recently received Jerry Rice's helmet from the 1986 season. The circumstance surrounding the helmet is rather amusing as the path it took to arrive in Canton is not what one would expect.

Rice, in his second NFL season, recorded 86 receptions for 1,570 yards and 15 TDs. For his efforts, the Mississippi Valley State product earned the first of 11 first-team All-Pro selections. He also earned the first Pro Bowl berth of his career.

Following the annual NFL all-star game played in Hawaii on February 1, 1987, many of the NFC players were exchanging jerseys and other items in the locker room. One of the players enjoying this yearly ritual was Washington Redskins wide receiver Art Monk, although some may say that he took the custom a bit too far.

Do you follow us on Twitter? The first fans to see a glimpse of Rice's helmet in our collection were the Hall's devoted followers on Twitter. We gave a quick glimpse of the helmet moments after our curatorial staff opened the shipment last week. Follow us @ProFootballHOF.
"I was collecting helmets at the time and I saw his (Rice's) helmet sitting there," recounts Monk. "I knew he was going to be the player he turned out to be and I wanted something of his for my collection."

Without any word to Rice, Monk placed the helmet in his bag and took it home. For many years to come, the Redskins Hall of Famer would tease Rice about the helmet. Monk's feelings about how he came into possession of the helmet, however, began to slowly change as the years passed.

"I was young at the time but as I got older, I began to have a greater appreciation for items or memorabilia from one's career," Monk confessed in a telephone interview today. "After he was elected into the Hall of Fame, I called him up and told him I would send the helmet back to him."

Monk did just that. In turn, Rice decided to send it to Canton. Now, the helmet, having passed through the talented hands of two Hall of Fame receivers, will be placed on display in the Moments, Memories & Mementos Gallery at the Pro Football Hall of Fame where thousands of visitors can "catch" a glimpse of the artifact.

Rice will be formally enshrined into the Hall of Fame on Saturday, Aug. 7 at 7 p.m. Tickets are still available.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 13, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Mural of LeBron James removed in Cleveland"

It's my understanding the good people of Cleveland have asked the Cavs' owner to replace it with a mural featuring the image of a egotistical jackazz sitting atop a pile of money.

His question is, "How is that any different than what we removed?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"RIP George Steinbrenner."


That's Bob Sheppard and George Steinbrenner in the same week.

Tonite's All-Star game is going to look like a Yankee's highlight reel.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The average age in September has got to be more significant that the average age in July.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 13, 2010 9:06 AM

The more germane question is how many of your 5-8 year vet are top 10-12 players at their position. I can think of only one for sure (Cooley). There the Halls, McIntoshes, Rogers of the NFL that litter this roster. Solid but unspectacular. I think the second question is who are 2-4 year players are ready for prime time. We've got two there, Orakpo and Davis for sure. That's where the last two years have hurt as a bunch of these players were only relegated to special teams or spot duty and thus still unknowns.

Posted by: TWISI | July 13, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Chris Draft BEEPS..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: TWISI | July 13, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey Moe,

I kno u and I are almost the only ones willing to pay to get Vjax...

How do you see his situations playing out this year??

I think him n the Chargers relationship is done-zo

I see him sitting till week ten; playing for the last 6 at whatever minimal deal he signs

There past the point of no return...... perfect for us skin fans......

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 13, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse


@brandon_in_cali

No draft picks, please!

Posted by: hessone | July 13, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What a shame, a guy full of heart and effort has a scare like this while a guy with no heart, fat Albert, doesnt keel over.

Take care big Mike!!

Posted by: MikeOFW | July 13, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

What an offense to the needs-to-improve offensive line. Good thing Mike's condition was detected now. He has a lot of heart (and I hope he handles those heart clots). My gut tells me that it's going to be in his best interest to kiss football bye-bye. Which means it continues to be in our (Redskin's) best interest to cobble together the best offensive line possible at this point. To go after the best available talent for the offensive line out there, possibly bringing in the best college seniors who didn't get drafted, etc. Season is still aways a way and it has a feel to me of a team consisting of a lot of walking wounded (or walking today and likely to be re-wounded big time). Go skins!

Posted by: Chicagoburned | July 13, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

This guy was given an opportunity because of our desparate situation on the line and lobbying of his best friend.Dockery was right, he is a great guy that deserved that opportunity and he made the most of it and resurrected his career.My heart goes out to him.He would have been a great guard here based on what he accomplished last year and potential as a physical freak of size and strength.This could be a bigger loss than we know.God Bless BMW!

Posted by: mark65 | July 13, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

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