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Redskins miss out on offensive lineman Sims

The Redskins lost another free-agent battle Monday when offensive tackle Barry Sims decided to remain with the San Francisco 49ers.

Sims agreed to a one-year contract that could be worth as much as approximately $2.1 million to return to the 49ers for this season, his agent Kenneth Vierra informed Rick Maese in a text message. Sims's visit with the team apparently went well last week, and it was believed the 11-year veteran was choosing between joining the Redskins and returning to the 49ers -- for whom he played 16 games, and started seven, last season. He played the past two seasons under Chris Foerster, the Redskins' new line coach who came to Washington from San Francisco.

If you're scoring at home, the Redskins have failed to sign several second-tier free agents whom they've pursued, including at least three offensive linemen. The Redskins are in need of major help at tackle with the retirement of Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and the lack of effectiveness Stephon Heyer often exhibited after beginning the 2009 season as the team's top right tackle.

By Jason Reid  |  March 22, 2010; 10:50 PM ET
Categories:  Offensive line  
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First...................:( Sign somebody.. We need backups atleast

Posted by: cocodc1 | March 22, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Shanny is showing he wont overpay for these guys, but when are we gonna catch a break? We really could use more depth at tackle. Maybe they r under-bidding because they know they r gonna take a tackle in the draft and maybe they can get lucky and land one of these dudes for cheap.

Posted by: goskinsgo1 | March 22, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't we jumping on signing guys to 1 year contracts with the uncapped year?

Posted by: redrider21 | March 22, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone available to talk tonight ? We can talk "skins" or "WHATEVA", I'm bored. Call me (703) 368-2154
"chad"

Posted by: skinsinsider101 | March 22, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I am beginning to wonder if Chris Foerster has the plague or something...

Posted by: theduck | March 22, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.fightmusic.com/mp3/ivy/Cornell__Give_My_Regards_To_Davy.mp3

don't want anyone to miss the opportunity to enjoy this.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 22, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

good, now we have to take a tackle, I hope

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 22, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

this was reported around 5 or 6pm... way to be jreid... 5 hours later!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | March 22, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Oy, this is starting to get troubling.

Not a lot of decent O-lineman out there and this teams need at least three. Four?

Lot of holes to fill and they sure seem to be taking their time filling them.

Can't do it all overnight but they need to get started.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 22, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Folks, think this through:

The draft is loaded with offensive tackles.

So, a lot of teams will draft these guys for the future and then cut their current ones who are decent but getting old.

We will snag one of these guys after the draft, when we'll probably be taking a rookie tackle as well.

That's why we're not overpaying.

That's why Allen said free agency lasts until training camp.

There's no need to hurry. We're not about to make a superbowl run, and for once we have coaches and a GM who realize this.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 22, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

On the surface this seems troubling, but it speaks to the true changes that appear under Shanny and Allen. Many of these free-agents may have been expecting a fat payday under the Snyderrato of old, and maybe now their agents are shocked at the 'Skin's sudden fiscal prudence. Most of these guys they've pursued have been 2nd tier at best, and upper age. Recall how the 'Skins nabbed Jim Lachey back when he was in his prime, and he was a standout tackle for many years with the 'Skins; probably could have played a few more except for injuries. Lachey was an All-Pro in his prime, not some double digit year vet who's 'solid' at best.

Yeah, these guys would be nice for depth purposes, but now the 'Skins MUST stockpile lineman through the draft. Next year may be a competitive year, but 2011-2012 should be the 'contender' year.

Posted by: pdfordiii | March 22, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

GOOD!!!!!!!!! Give them a reason to skip on drafting a QB and go after a lineman.....or trade down.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | March 22, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

another 35 yr old lineman declines to sign with the redskins...this is a good thing...LT in 1st rd, RT in 2nd...let's do it

Posted by: stevemck3 | March 22, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see Okung and Mike Johnson acquired via the draft. Maybe a project tackle in the 6th or 7th round.

Then for depth pick up someone's 28 year old, freshly-cut, former starter.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 23, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree with those who have said this hopefully means they will draft a tackle in the first round.

Let's be honest — Sims shouldn't have prevented the team from taking Okung and wasting a pick on that overrated punk QB from Neuter Dame, but hopefully Shanahan realizes he has no useful tackles on his roster, and that no QB is worth much when he's lying on his back or running for his life (and that no QB in this draft is worth the No. 4 pick, anyway).

Say it with me, Shanahans: RUSSELL OKUNG!

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 23, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

just got the sad inside details on why Free Agents are leaving Redskins Park in droves without signing.

It appears during the Interview process, Shanny Sr is sitting at the head of table in a dimly lit room stroking a pu.. uhh.. cat while a smaller version of him, Shanny Jr. with a shaved head is sitting to his right wearing the exact same clothes.
All this while Snyder is sitting to the left of Shanny Sr, wearing an eye patch that Tom Cruise gave him from the Valkyrie set.

jus saying... I think I'd run away, too.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 23, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Folks, think this through:

The draft is loaded with offensive tackles.

So, a lot of teams will draft these guys for the future and then cut their current ones who are decent but getting old.

We will snag one of these guys after the draft, when we'll probably be taking a rookie tackle as well.

That's why we're not overpaying.

That's why Allen said free agency lasts until training camp.

There's no need to hurry. We're not about to make a superbowl run, and for once we have coaches and a GM who realize this.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 22, 2010 11:40 PM

Right on, only thing I would point out is for our team free agency doesn't end until NEXT year's training camp. What's the rush? Who cares about being ready this year if it means being better next.

Posted by: Keiser | March 23, 2010 1:09 AM | Report abuse

stay focused coach...dan spent a lot of money on underachievers...players think they can come here and hold the redskins up because of our previous overspending for underachievers...i like how you proceeding coach, bruce...worse comes to worse we can pick up OL's in the draft and during preseason cuts. stay cool skins fans they have a plan!

Posted by: ronniecope106 | March 23, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Redskins miss out on offensive lineman Sims

By Jason Reid | March 22, 2010; 10:50 PM ET

I'll fix the title...

"Redskins entertain 35 yr old camp invite but he ultimately signs a more lucrative deal with the 49ers."

We missed out on nothing...

These marginal players visit and the skins offer reasonable contracts that are equal to their return on investment and some other team overpays….WHO CARES..

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 23, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

Alternate threadline: "Sims spurns Redskins"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 23, 2010 1:56 AM | Report abuse

If you're scoring at home, the Redskins have failed to sign several second-tier free agents whom they've pursued, including at least three offensive linemen. The Redskins are in need of major help at tackle with the retirement of Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels and the lack of effectiveness Stephon Heyer often exhibited after beginning the 2009 season as the team's top right tackle.


Jreid, read this, use your mellon, and then decide if choosing not to overpay or sign a second tier OT really equals "fail".

I'm scoring at home, and I know the roster is already resplendent with "second tier ineffective tackles". No need to sign another, especially for some "i wanna get paid before I'm done" price the Redskins used to be famous for doling out.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 23, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

I agree that missing out on a 35 y/o lineman is not missing out on much. It will all work out. I'm glad to see the patience.

Posted by: OintheSierras | March 23, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

The draft is loaded with offensive tackles.

So, a lot of teams will draft these guys for the future and then cut their current ones who are decent but getting old.

Posted by: lordtwang | March 22, 2010 11:40 PM

Absolutely.
The more I think about it, the more this picture comes into focus. We will draft our highest-rated tackle at number four; I thought before that we should trade down to get more high round picks, but I don't see many teams offering great enough value for us to pass on a franchise LT, even a team considering trading-up for one of the great DT's wouldn't give us enough.

This may come as a surprise to many, but we may have more skill in our OL back-ups from last year than many fans realize. Rhino and Big Mike may have break out seasons despite their poor to mediocre play last year; the whole team was playing in a busted system they didnt believe in, especially the line.
Really, the line as phuked up as it was last year had some decent games in the latter half of the season. So...promote from within? possibly?

If we get our tackles, or tackle and guard, early in the draft, I think we can easily fill the rest of the holes on OL in FA.

A starting FS though...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | March 23, 2010 4:38 AM | Report abuse

I don't get why folks here are freaking out about missing on the likes of Chad Clifton, Barry Sims and Tony Pashos. Yeah, they're decent lineman but they aren't exactly world beaters either. Those are band-aid guys who want solid starter money. They're just not worth it.

IMO, the Skins are playing this just right. Offer little more than minimum deals to the older, average just-a-guys and if they take it, great. If they don't, buh-bye. No hard feelings. Thanks for stopping by.

This team is long overdue building the O-line thru the draft and I think this rash of rejection gives them no excuse not to do that this offseason.

What some of you see as negative, I see as a big positive.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 5:25 AM | Report abuse

If you're scoring at home, the Redskins have failed to sign several second-tier free agents whom they've pursued, including at least three offensive linemen.

By Jason Reid | March 22, 2010; 10:50 PM ET

Is this how you score, J. Reid? Count the "failed" kicks, and not the field goals?

If I were "scoring at home" (which I did -- thank you, Mrs. Source) I would have to count the guys that they signed. They Redskins SUCCEEDED in signing "at least" one RB, one O lineman, one NT, and one TE.

Reid, you're displaying all the Redskins hate of your predecessor without either his insight or his likability. Work on it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Reid, you're displaying all the Redskins hate of your predecessor without either his insight or his likability. Work on it.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 6:05 AM


JLC had "insight and likability"? Did we read the same blog?

If anything, he came off 100x worse than Reid ever has because Reid can at least claim ignorance since he came here from the West Coast. JLC being a Baltimoron made his anti-Redskins rhetoric sound like the typical (and misplaced) Redskin hate from our red-headed step-sister from the north.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

JLC had "insight and likability"? Did we read the same blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 6:16 AM |

Well, he certainly fell short of the "insight and likability" that you bring to the blog, but I was comparing him to the other guys who write for the Post.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Womp womp...

If that's all you've got in the 6 o'clock hour, you should probably just go ahead and sleep in.

By the way, seems to me the assertions I had about Haynesworth weren't too far off base if it was a topic conversation yesterday in other platforms. Not saying a trade will happen, but it seems it's not out of bounds either...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 6:34 AM | Report abuse

A lot of people jumping on JReid lately...where's the blog police?
the Jreid defenders...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 23, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

...where's the blog police?
the Jreid defenders...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 23, 2010 7:15 AM

That would be TheCork with his stock line "You know where to send your resume." He lives outside LA and reports to work three hours late.

Posted by: League-Source | March 23, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

...where's the blog police?
the Jreid defenders...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 23, 2010 7:15 AM

That would be TheCork with his stock line "You know where to send your resume." He lives outside LA and reports to work three hours late.

Posted by: League-Source

I thought the JReid police was Ryp11...thanks for the update..

Posted by: jcnjcnj | March 23, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

beep, beep gentlemen

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 23, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Cerrato :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | March 23, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

Let these old linemen sign elsewhere, we need to build through the draft which further strengthens Shanny's plan. Why overpay? I agree however that we do need depth.

Posted by: joeboggs | March 23, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

History continues to repeat itself..to WIN..you build through the draft. that said..your player personal guys must make the right picks. you blow a couple of high draft picks..and it sets you back for years.
There are a lot of O linemen in this draft..but maybe only one or two that look to have real potential to be first rate. Of course..time will tell.
I am a believer that you need to draft a lineman to play the position he played in college..not try to have him play a different line position. Few guys can make the transition and be as successful.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | March 23, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

How refreshing to watch real professionals at work. Reid said yesterday that he was TOLD Shanny wanted Bradford. I'm sure the front office leaked it to him so the entire league would know precisely who they want .... NOT!!!

In Shanny I Trust

Posted by: shanks1 | March 23, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

The word around the league has always been "go the Skins if you want to get paid." Players are coming here and the Skins aren't showing them the money they thought they could get. So the player says no thanks I'll just go to another team.

Way to go Danny Boy! This is what you've created with your years of overpaying.

Posted by: anw821 | March 23, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Just a sign of the new times. Players can't come to Washington and sign a big contract then not do much to earn it. They will actually have to work. Imagine that!

Posted by: rdrunner82 | March 23, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh well, guess we're gonna have to draft Olineman!

We still have a 1 year offer extended to Levi Jones, correct?

Posted by: p1funk | March 23, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Levi's still a 'skin. And Im not sure Bulaga wouldn't be a better fit than Okung.

Posted by: wewbank1 | March 23, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

So Smith didn't "spurn" the Skins?

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 23, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins don't need depth at offensive line, let's begin w/ some decent STARTERS. Every man, woman and child in the DC area knows that this is their main problem, and they've yet to address it...

Posted by: randysbailin | March 23, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Patience....there will be PLENTY of quality players to use for depth at bargain prices come time for teams to make cuts.....and after the draft.

Posted by: GoonieGooGoo | March 23, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

they dont need sims a 35yr old any way, draft LT no. 4 (okung) if he is gone try trading down and draft another LT and a RT 3rd or 4th round if shanahan wants a new qb dont draft him any higher than 3rd round and bring in a RB with speed.

Posted by: wathu19 | March 23, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

My bad,Sims not Smith. You know what I meant!

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 23, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

This is quite simple.

The Redskins finished 4-12 last year and are rebuilding.

Unless the team overpays for players, most are going to opt to go elsewhere or stay with their current team.

If the Redskins were 12-4 and coming off a Super Bowl appearance I bet you would have seen some additional signings here so far.

But let's put some other things in perspective.

Both Clifton, 33, and Sims, 35, have played their ENTIRE careers in one place.

They both have families nested in GB and the Bay area and it was unlikely they were going to leave for one or two years to come here UNLESS the money was there.

And the Redskins merely made a market offer which was matched by their current teams.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 23, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Skins need some veteran offensive lineman to at least bridge the gap between now and the time they can acquire or develop young quality ones.

They need two starters. And then they need 3/4-5 dependable backups.

You're not going to get all that in one draft.

And that's just their major problem. They need a young QB to develop, another linebacker or two, probably another defensive back, a return man, a second wide receiver....

Don't go from one extreme of using FA to stock a team to another where you essentially set it aside.

Yeah, they're not going to fix everything in one year. But they need to start fixing something.

Posted by: SteveMG | March 23, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing wrong with Stephon Heyer...moron

Posted by: getagrip5 | March 23, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm bored.
....
Posted by: skinsinsider101
__________________________________

If AH and Tee Oh signings are all that will peak "chad's" interest, I'll take bored.

Posted by: ElYeah | March 23, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

After being a Redskin Fans since 1943, I believe I have some good advice. Trade the first rould pick ,if Braqdford is gone, to Tennessee for their two first round picks I believe that would be the 13th and 17th. We could draft two good players for the salary of a fourth pick. Two offensive linemen would be good.
Last year we could have signed 4 offensive linemen for what we signed haynesworth for.

Posted by: georgeharpold | March 23, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

After being a Redskin Fans since 1943, I believe I have some good advice. Trade the first rould pick ,if Braqdford is gone, to Tennessee for their two first round picks I believe that would be the 13th and 17th. We could draft two good players for the salary of a fourth pick. Two offensive linemen would be good.
Last year we could have signed 4 offensive linemen for what we signed haynesworth for.

Posted by: georgeharpold

The best the Skins can hope for is a 1st and 3rd in return for their 1st round. Maybe a late 2nd if someone is desperate for a QB at #4. Only Vinnie Cerrato is dumb enough to make that trade and no one has been dumb enough to hand him the draft keys is Tennessee or anywhere else.

Posted by: Holehoggin | March 23, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

So how do the Skins lose out on a one-year contract? In an uncapped year, there's no real penalty for over-paying other than Snyder's lighter wallet.

Posted by: WorstSeat | March 23, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

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