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Thomas, Golston Headed for Surgery

Right guard Randy Thomas is scheduled to undergo a minor procedure on his neck next week, Thomas told Jason Reid today.

"I don't want to get too specific with it, but it's just something I need to get done," he said. "I played with it, so it's not that serious."

Defensive tackle Kedric Golston said he will have a surgical procedure to repair the bone spurs on his ankle, but no date has been set yet for the operation. "I'll get it 'scoped to clean up the bone so it doesn't keep acting up on me," Golston said.

Several players who were injured in the second half of the season - running back Clinton Portis, safety Chris Horton, among them - said they have no surgeries planned.

Pro Bowl tackle Chris Samuels underwent triceps and knee surgery recently.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 29, 2008; 10:20 AM ET
 
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LIONS PROMOTE LEWAND, MAYHEW
Posted by Mike Florio on December 29, 2008, 10:23 a.m. EST
On the day that the Lions fired coach Rod Marinelli, the team also rewarded two men who are inextricably linked with the embarrassing failures of the franchise over the past eight seasons.

Tom Lewand has been promoted from COO to President, and Martin Mayhew has been given the permanent position of General Manager.

The team also announced that defensive coordinator Joe Barry has been terminated, and that offensive coordinator Jim Colletto has been reassigned to offensive line coach.

Elsewhere, secondary coach Jimmy Kaye and assistant offensive line coach Mike Barry have been released, and defensive line coach Joe Cullen’s contract will not be renewed. Also, assistant director of pro personnel Dave Boller won’t be retained.

So, basically, not much is changing in Motown. To the ongoing delight of Packers, Bears, and Vikings fans.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The Browns cleared the way to go after the chin. They are going to offer him whatever he wants.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

"And Kelly had a hamstring or groin tear intially in training camp that was unrelated to the knee. His knee became an issue when they decided to clean up his kneee when he really didn't need to...

Posted by: DaReal4th"

When you have serious injury problems, particularly in the knees, everything is related. The hamstring or groin injury may not have been the knee itself, but I'd be 90% sure that the knee contributed to it (due to compensation, muscle imbalances, etc.).

And certainly I agree with you regarding the offensive coordinator/head coach aspect of it. They definitely did not help. Just remember that they too were the personal choice of Vinny Cerrato.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Offseason remedy:

Release Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff.

Let Fabini and Kendall walk.

Sign Hall AND Rogers.

Move Daniels to DT and Sign Julius Peppers.

Trade our #13 for 2 2nd rounders and pick up Duke Robinson and Max Unger. Sign another cheap FA OT. Jansen is out. Heyer becomes Samuels backup. Im sorry, but neither of them are good.

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

Next year starters: JC, 26, Samuels (heyer), Duke (rhino), Unger (Rabach), Thomas, FA (jansen). Moss, TJ, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Thrash. CC, Davis.

Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall. Smoot 3rd corner. Peppers, Carter, Daniels, rotation of Lorenzo/Wilson/Monty/Golston. London, Rocky, Drafted LB. (Or get Suggs).

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The team is at its core mediocre (to poor) with the chance to grab a wildcard spot. The right coach could get the team to 10 wins.

The coaching search was a debacle that produced and reinforced a completely dysfunctional structure.

We are fans, we hoped, looked on the bright side, rooted for players, were excited by wins. But this franchise is a joke. All you have to do is look at every other team that had HC changes last year. Quiet, measured, in concert with structural changes in management. The Skins....an unholy mess of a clusterfcuk that was more tabloid than strategic. Look at the coaches who rankled at the situation.

We hired assistants before HC, we mandated what players to use, we wanted a coach to fit preexisting philosophies, based the person on who SnyderCerrato thought they could boss around.

They should have said to Spagnola, hey man its your gig, set up your own staff and we will get out of your way.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Betts was mis-used all season long. He should have been carrying the ball more since the start of the season, and they should have been throwing him the ball more as well.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree with this. He's being paid like a starting RB and he's proven when given enough carries he plays like one. In addition he's a great pass catcher as well. They should trade him to a team that runs the WCO because i think he'd be fantastic in that offense....oh right..

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:07 AM |

Would it really have made a difference? He's not a gamebreaker. He's never had a run longer than 30 yds (actually 27 yds) in his entire career. What difference would have made in this offense if he added a 5 yd run here or there and caught more screens or passes short of the line to gain?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

CL,

Preach it brotha.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Would it really have made a difference? He's not a gamebreaker. He's never had a run longer than 30 yds (actually 27 yds) in his entire career. What difference would have made in this offense if he added a 5 yd run here or there and caught more screens or passes short of the line to gain?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:37 AM |

Well for one it would have kept CP more rested for the last half of the season.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

How long til pitchers and catchers?

Posted by: davidmistretta | December 29, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Miami had 27 new players on there team in one year, and went from 1-15 to 11-5, big time change can happen when you have a guy willing to do it.

Posted by: Flounder21

It would be a worthy endeavor to analyze exactly how they did this. What was their existing contract structure? How many draft picks were available? How much money was allotted for free agents? What percentage of draft picks have contributed in a meaningful way to the team's success this year? What percentage of recent draft picks are on the starting roster? How did they change the coaching staffs--wholesale slaughter or cherry picking? How much power does Parcell's have and what are his duties? Does the owner interfere at all in the operation and personell selections of the players? What was the philosophy in the personell hires of the new coaches? What principles in the organization are firm and applied up and down the organizational structure? What is the overall morale of the team--why?

Posted by: driley

Posted by: driley | December 29, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

betts should have been utilitzed more to spell portis and keep both fresh for the long season...but since he isn't in the plans w 26 and his huge contract we should shop betts around to try and another draft pick (pick up a HR threat/burner mid-late in April)

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

driley,

What the F are you talking about,

None of that sh!t matters all that matters is they are in the playoffs a year after going 1-15. They braught in a football guy to run that team and he has full control the owner is just that an owner who is trying to sell the team by the way.


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Well for one it would have kept CP more rested for the last half of the season.

Is this why the team failed? Because Portis was burned up in the second half? No doubt Clinton is banged up but that is because of the O-line - it STINKS. He has been taking on d-linemen and linebackers at the point of attack all year. It's rare to see him get to the second level without contact at the line. Adrian Peterson had 20 more carries than Portis and looked fresh as he ran it 70 yds to the house yesterday after going through the line practically untouched.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

learn, are you kidding?? Portis lead the league last year in carries, and had over 300 again this year. Yet Betts sits on the bench doing nothing game to game.

If they gave him 10 carries a game, Portis is much fresher, much less beat up at the end of the year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

betts should have been utilitzed more to spell portis and keep both fresh for the long season...but since he isn't in the plans w 26 and his huge contract we should shop betts around to try and another draft pick (pick up a HR threat/burner mid-late in April)

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 10:45 AM |

No one is going to trade for a guy who barely got on the field.

You could have gotten a lot for Betts after the 2006 season, you will get nothing for him now.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Offseason remedy:

Release Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff.

Let Fabini and Kendall walk.

Sign Hall AND Rogers.

Move Daniels to DT and Sign Julius Peppers.

Trade our #13 for 2 2nd rounders and pick up Duke Robinson and Max Unger. Sign another cheap FA OT. Jansen is out. Heyer becomes Samuels backup. Im sorry, but neither of them are good.

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

Next year starters: JC, 26, Samuels (heyer), Duke (rhino), Unger (Rabach), Thomas, FA (jansen). Moss, TJ, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Thrash. CC, Davis.

Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall. Smoot 3rd corner. Peppers, Carter, Daniels, rotation of Lorenzo/Wilson/Monty/Golston. London, Rocky, Drafted LB. (Or get Suggs).

===========================================
Once again....people stop playing Madden.
Wanna throw MORE money at the problem...and start two rookie OL's?

Vinny is that you posting on the boards now?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

You are actually all right on this Portis/Betts issue...but non if it matters.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I agree that Portis is better when we spell him. I wonder about Betts though. Is his rep for turnovers catching up to him.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Would it really have made a difference? He's not a gamebreaker. He's never had a run longer than 30 yds (actually 27 yds) in his entire career. What difference would have made if he caught more screens or passes short of the line to gain?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse


1. Taken pressure off Campbell by mitigating the passrush with screens.

2. Helped Campbell get into a rhythm.

3. Lessened the wear and tear on Portis.

4. Given opposing teams one more thing to worry about.

5. Opened up the underneath for Cooley by making the opposing defense account for Betts a legitimate pass catcher.

6. Made it harder to double team Moss and Cooley.

or maybe it would have done none of those things. Just a comment. Clearly not having him involved didn't help.

Posted by: Gweez | December 29, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

If Thrash is on the roster next year, I am going to make my new fave sport Polo....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - a 27 player turnover is probably more likely to yield a 1-15 record than it is to yield an 11-5 record.

This team needs a 9-10 player turnover. The key is bringing in 4-5 players that will actually have a major impact next season.

2 offensive linemen, an impact d-lineman, and a solid LB could do wonders for this team next season. (Not to mention a new coach, or at least playcaller/coordinator)

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

al, the whole betts is a fumble thing has been dispelled I believe on this very blog.

Kind of rings hollow considering that Portis fumbled again yesterday.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Hey learn,

Great comparison Peterson is 23 and has 601 career attempts.

Portis is 27 and has 2052 carrer attempts, so I can see why Peterson is still fresh at the end of the year.

Talk to me in 4 years when Peterson has been overused for 6 years and see how fresh he is at the end of the year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

how long till the acc season?

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Thrash should be in a nursing home next year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Flounder - a 27 player turnover is probably more likely to yield a 1-15 record than it is to yield an 11-5 record.

This team needs a 9-10 player turnover. The key is bringing in 4-5 players that will actually have a major impact next season.

2 offensive linemen, an impact d-lineman, and a solid LB could do wonders for this team next season. (Not to mention a new coach, or at least playcaller/coordinator)

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 10:54 AM

I was'nt suggesting we turn over that much I'm just saying with the right person in charge big turnarounds can be had in one year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

BG, do think it is coincidence that Betts didn't get a lot of burn under the the last two coaching regimes? CP getting that many touches two years in row speaks to me in ways you cannot. When he was a FA why didn't he go out and break the bank for more than what the Skins gave him (5 yrs for $11 mill is chump change) - because there was no market for what he brings.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

learned, then you have what we have here, which is a beat up, and over used, CP. So there you go. The team could either reduce CP's carries, and have him healthier, and fresher throughout the season, or do like they do now, and just use him till he's broken down, and no good to anyone.

I guess I don't get the mind set of not utilizing the 'assets' that the team has...betts while not a game breaker, certainly is a talented back, and could be a starter in this league. But, I forgot, Marcus Mason is the MAN!!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Betts isn't that great of a player. He excelled in 10 games where Portis was injured and has never shown he can fit in a 1-2 back roll.

This will be the season of MArcus Mason as to that was a bigger decision than to let Leigh Torrence goes. The difference is, MM wasn't one of JLaC's sources, so you hear less about him.

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

zorny is just as innovative with his game plans as vinny is with player acquisitions.

people who don't like vinny but like zorny like the blogmaster up here don't get it. vinny is INCAPABLE of even stumbling on a good personnel decision let alone hiring a good head coach. and if you disagree with me please point me to the moves that have worked out for him and this org in the past 15 years.

i have history on my side meanwhile you have "you can't fire a coach after just one year" cliche without any supporting evidence. and totally ignoring facts like the way zorny was FIRED by seattle for the '09 season.

also for the love of god please stop saying that it took matt haselbeck 3 years to learn the zorny offense in seattle. it was holmgren's offense. zorny was a POSITION coach. zorny had ZERO input in seattle's offense. ZERO!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Beantown Greg - Please list Betts qaulifications outside of Portis 10 game absebence?

The only one I can think of is the KO Return against the Bucs in the 1st meet up in 2005......

After that the difference between MArcus Mason and Ladell Betts is that someone gave Betts an opportuninity to carry the ball a very few amount of times because of he was drafted in a high round. (Which is all that a player needs. An opportunity).

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

any chance we try to bring back Marcus Mason to serve as Portis' back-up? He's done well in pre-season and knows the system...

Posted by: forever21 | December 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I never said anything about Marcus Mason. Obviously, he's not an NFL running back otherwise he would be playing. But Betts is not an NFL quality "starter" either. If he was, he would be one. Why is he still here? Why didn't he get starter money and go start somewhere when he had the opportunity? I think it's because no one was offering.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | December 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

Its his MO though. A lot of guys have a rap like that thats unjustified.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

people who have a h-rad-on for betts should've seen sproles run the ball last night or michael turn run the ball or NYG running back run the ball. that's what a backup rb does. run the ball just as well or lil less when the starter goes out.

if vinny had any brains and he doesn't just like the coach he hired. he would get anything he can from any players worth any value just like parcells did with jason taylor. that's what good gm's do. buy low, sell high.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

One more thing...

When has Betts become an asset? What has he done to be deserved to be called an asset?

Portis is our biggest asset and the only reason why we went 6-2 at the begining of the year........

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Please list Betts qaulifications outside of Portis 10 game absebence?

Yeah, Beantown, please list his qualifications but don't mention that season where he proved himself. What ELSE has he done, hmmmmm?

Mason has experience, He's been on 3 different teams this year alone!

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

There's a whole lot of stupid on the Redskins Insider Blog. A few things:

1. Holy hell, give Jim Zorn more than one season.
2. Holy hell version 2.0, give Vinny Cerrato more than one draft with the keys to the organization.
3. Holy hell version 3.0, give Jason Campbell more than one season in the West Coast offense. How did Matt Hasselbeck do in his first season with Jim Zorn's offense??
4. Holy hell version 4.0, give our rookie WRs another season before labeling them "busts". DeSean Jackson and Eddie Royal are the exceptions, not the rule. The lights don't come on for most WRs until the THIRD season. So be patient.

And what is with all the people that say "we are a few draft picks, a few free agent signings from nothing but MEDIOCRITY". Oh man that makes my blood boil. Do you guys have any idea how quickly fortunes change for franchises in the NFL? Look no further than the Ravens, Dolphins and Falcons. If those teams can go from 5-11, 1-15 and 4-12 respectively to playoff teams, there's no reason the Redskins can't go from 8-8 to 11-5 or even better next year.

The sky is not falling; the Redskins are not one of the league's perennial doormats. We've had just one losing campaign in the past four seasons. Get a grip people. Yes I understand that we demand more (I certainly do) but we have to give the Jim Zorn regime ample time.

And I don't want to hear any "Colt Brennan is the future of the franchise" nonsense either. Okay I am done now.

Posted by: honed | December 29, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Everyone who thinks keeps barking about how this team is destined for mediocrity are dead wrong and need to reread this. Best post I've seen in a while. Do we have problems? Hell yes!! But give it a rest with all the hating.

Standing bet for CL, dealer, psp- I'll lay you 2-1 odds that we win 10 games or more next year. Surely a mediocre team and incompetent coach wouldn't win 10 games in the NFL, regardless of strength of schedule. You pick the amount or thing to be wagered. I'm tired of the naysayers/negativity. Put up or shut up.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

How about we draft James Larinitus from ohio st. I know he's a MLB, but he's a beast and would be awesome.

Posted by: Hammertime44 | December 29, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

now we got people going after Ladell

Ladell is a fine #2 back

the thing is, his style is just too similar to CP's style. He's not a change-of-pace back on this team.

All those successful two and three RB tandems in the league have very different backs. We don't.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 29, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Well I dont see us getting much for Betts this off season. He has had his worst season in terms of overall output.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

learn,

No one said Betts is a starter but he can carry the ball 8-10 times a game to give Portis rest.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

that's what a backup rb does. run the ball just as well or lil less when the starter goes out.

Isn't that what he did yesterday? I know Betts only had a couple carries yesterday, but was his performance that different than Portis?

When has Betts become an asset? What has he done to be deserved to be called an asset?

Betts was an asset that year Portis busted his shoulder blocking in a preseason game...

Also, for all the talk about CP's bnlocking skills, did anyone see Betts upend that guy in the game last night? It was pretty impressive.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Deealer - Vinny claims to have discovered Terel Owens (BKA T. O.).....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Offseason remedy:

Release Springs, Taylor, Marcus, Griff.

Let Fabini and Kendall walk.

Sign Hall AND Rogers.

Move Daniels to DT and Sign Julius Peppers.

Trade our #13 for 2 2nd rounders and pick up Duke Robinson and Max Unger. Sign another cheap FA OT. Jansen is out. Heyer becomes Samuels backup. Im sorry, but neither of them are good.

Sign TJ Housh, Lance Moore, or Devry Henderson.

Next year starters: JC, 26, Samuels (heyer), Duke (rhino), Unger (Rabach), Thomas, FA (jansen). Moss, TJ, Thomas, Kelly, ARE, Thrash. CC, Davis.

Landry, Horton, Rogers, Hall. Smoot 3rd corner. Peppers, Carter, Daniels, rotation of Lorenzo/Wilson/Monty/Golston. London, Rocky, Drafted LB. (Or get Suggs).


Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I like this for the most part. Couple questions/concerns: starting a 36 yr old career DE, coming off catastrophic knee injury, at DT? Questionable.

Is Lance Moore a f/a? I love that kid but I'm torn on whether to pursue if so... not sure we have the cap room to pursue a Peppers and also get him...besides, we did spend an entire draft bascially on that position, so we have to give Kelly/Thomas/Davis a chance to produce next year.

Just say no to TJ - he's 31 next yr.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

4th, lol that's funny. actually that's hillarious. but i don't know if it's funnier if it's true or false.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Beantown, please list his qualifications but don't mention that season where he proved himself. What ELSE has he done, hmmmmm?


Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 11:12 AM |


But, the thing is, that will never happen if everyone is healthy, so you are saying we have to wait for Portis to get injured long term again for Betts to prove himself?

Michael Turner proved himself in SD with LT infront of him with few carries. Betts has not......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 29, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Once again....people stop playing Madden.
Wanna throw MORE money at the problem...and start two rookie OL's?

Vinny is that you posting on the boards now?

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2008 10:51 AM

How is that Madden? We're not winning the Super Bowl next year, and we need to get younger - and that starts on the line. If we get 2nd round picks, they should be starters, if they are lineman.

And we need another WR - in case you haven't noticed - our WRs outside of Moss are garbage, and hes a small #2.

AND we need defense - theres nothing wrong with making ONE big FA signing if its an area of need - which D line is.

Draft is where we go cheap and start building our O line together.

Whats the problem?

Posted by: Rypien11 | December 29, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

So we are back to the "haters" arguement huh? Wow what reason could any of us have for negativity? Things are glorious in Redskins land!!!!!!!!

NOT LMG...even you admit Cerrato stinks...NFL is a top down gig, if you stink at the top, you will stink at the bottom.

I will take your odds. I dont want to root against the team, so not going to make the stakes larger than I am willing to happily lose. So big shot I will take your odds and $25. So I put up, can you now shut up with your polyanna mouth puking?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 29, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"vinny is INCAPABLE of even stumbling on a good personnel decision"

deal, Chris Horton? just saying....

I love the "please tell me what Betts has done other than rushing for over 1000 yards in 8 games, when portis was hurt"....you're making my point. Betts never gets the chance to run the ball, but when he did have the chance he was very successful. So last year at the end of the year Portis is worn out, and becomes ineffective. This year portis is worn out, and guess what...hes, everyone together now...INEFFECTIVE....but somehow dropping CP's carries isn't the answer...??

When given the chance, Betts proved to be a very effective player on a full time basis. And the Redskins signed him during the season, so he NEVER went to Free Agency, which is why he NEVER got offers.

Betts vs. Mason...please...you're not that stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 29, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

okay i have a question...did vinny get that d-line from SF or was vinny still with SF? i think he did get that guy...it wasn't dana...what was his name?

if he was here and he got that dude from SF...and apparently he would've known about that player...and his situation that it was bryant young who made him get all those sacks...sht i i can't rember his name...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Michael Turner proved himself in SD with LT infront of him with few carries. Betts has not......

What has Betts not done to "prove himself" as a #2 Back?

Seriously, let's see some stats to back up your assertion. How did the two backs stack up last night? We can work from there...

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 29, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to take this team in for a radical vinnyectomy during the offseason.

This wasn't Zorn's fault anymore than a pine tree is at fault for being in the path of an avalanche. Vinny and his marketing genius boss have been so busy looking over the wine selection, they've failed to notice the restaurant is on fire. And I'm out of metaphores to explain why a decent franchise with two full-season SB championships (and one strike year gimme)has been reduced to Division II status. And yet, I take heart in the fact that even St. Joe went 8-8 his first season as Skins HC. Give Zorn a full offseason to plan, work more with JC, and get integrally involved in personnel decisions and I think we may all be looking back a year from now and seeing this as our emergence from the wilderness. If not, maybe the Skins can get dispensation from the NCAA to play in the GM Bankruptcy Bowl next December. In which case, I'll take their opponent and the points.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | December 29, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Portis is 800 yards away from 10,000 on the career.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 29, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

How is that Madden? We're not winning the Super Bowl next year, and we need to get younger - and that starts on the line. If we get 2nd round picks, they should be starters, if they are lineman.

And we need another WR - in case you haven't noticed - our WRs outside of Moss are garbage, and hes a small #2.

AND we need defense - theres nothing wrong with making ONE big FA signing if its an area of need - which D line is.

Draft is where we go cheap and start building our O line together.

Whats the problem?

===========================================
The problem is signing Peppers, T.J. and Suggs....that's pretty much the same Redskins philosophy...

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

i have history on my side meanwhile you have "you can't fire a coach after just one year" cliche without any supporting evidence. and totally ignoring facts like the way zorny was FIRED by seattle for the '09 season.

also for the love of god please stop saying that it took matt haselbeck 3 years to learn the zorny offense in seattle. it was holmgren's offense. zorny was a POSITION coach. zorny had ZERO input in seattle's offense. ZERO!!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | December 29, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

dealer, you are dead wrong in not giving Zorn considerable credit for Seattle's offensive success. Hasslebeck has been quoted numerous times as saying he (Zorn) was the key to his success. Thus I'd say it's safe to say the guy most responsible for the QB's development is pretty damn integral to the overall O-success.

and fired? incorrect sir. check your facts.

And I cannot and will not debate you any further on Vinny's incompetence because 1) As it pertains to personnel moves over his 10 yrs and 2 stints, I agree that overall he has been bad to terrible. 2) With regards to his hiring of Zorn - your attempt to discredit the Zorn hiring as a result of his personnel decisions is unfair. Hiring a coach and identifying player talent? You're talkin apples and oranges.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 29, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The redskins should get rid of (trade/cut) any of the clowns who routinely act like "the world's greated football player" after making a routine play (10 yd catch, 5 yd run, pass deflection, standard sack) Here are the culprits:
Moss
Portis
Randal El
Smoot
Rogers
Springs
Washington
Taylor
I'll throw Samuals and Jansen in there as well.

Besides a new owner- this team needs Mike Singletary.

Posted by: richard_cranium | December 29, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins don't get it! Everyone with any shred of a football IQ knows that you build your team from the inside out. Take care of your OL and DL and the rest of the team will come together. You build it through the draft. That way if the player you drafted does not work out, usually there are no significant cap ramifications if you cut him. By obtaining all of this free agent "talent", they are strapping themselves financially because they cannot cut bait. You think they are happy with for example -- ARE; how about Carter? They can't let them go because the signing bonuses would kill their cap. These types of transactions are business as usual for them. They really need to work on building through the draft. THE LINES especially!!!

Posted by: hamptonpirates89 | December 29, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The redskins should get rid of (trade/cut) any of the clowns who routinely act like "the world's greated football player" after making a routine play (10 yd catch, 5 yd run, pass deflection, standard sack) Here are the culprits:
Moss
Portis
Randal El
Smoot
Rogers
Springs
Washington
Taylor
I'll throw Samuals and Jansen in there as well.

Besides a new owner- this team needs Mike Singletary.
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Sure, that makes sense.

Posted by: SDMDTSU | December 29, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

There is a new post come on over that is what the Beep Beep stands for.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 29, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Standing bet for CL, dealer, psp- I'll lay you 2-1 odds that we win 10 games or more next year. Surely a mediocre team and incompetent coach wouldn't win 10 games in the NFL, regardless of strength of schedule.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG"

(1) Sorry, I don't bet against the team's I root for. Ever.

(2) That is where you are most certainly wrong. Mediocre teams and coaches win 10 games all the time (Mangenius and his Jets in his first year, Bill Callahan and his Raiders his first year, Wade Phillips and his Cowboys, Cincinnati Bengals in their one good year the last decade, Cleveland Browns and their one good year the last decade, the list goes on). Good teams and good coaches win 9-11 games consistently (like the Eagles). Great teams with great coaches win 11+ games consistently (like the Colts and Patriots).

I'm sorry I disagree with you. But I do not see Jim Zorn as a guy that will lead this team to greatness. To me, he's a no-credential offensive-minded head coach that produced one of the worst offenses in the league, despite having average-at-worst talent to deal with (pretty-good at best). I also saw a head coach who couldn't failed to properly handle his star players' egos, and failed to have his team come out properly motivated in numerous weeks throughout the season -- so the intangibles of head coaching were scant as well. Nice guy, solid fundamental coach, great QB coach. Not a head coach. Not right now at least.

Posted by: psps23 | December 29, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

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