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Austin getting a long look as WR, kick returner

Because of NFL rules, rookie wide receiver-kick returner Terrence Austin was prohibited from participating in most of the Redskins' offseason program while UCLA classes were still in session. But Austin could be very involved in the team's plans when training
camp begins July 29 at Redskins Park.

The Redskins have concerns about their wide receivers, according to people in the organization, and the coaching staff is eager to take a long look at Austin as he works with his position group in camp. And special teams coordinator Danny Smith has an opening for primary kickoff returner after the Redskins released longtime special teams
standout Rock Cartwright in March.

"He's lucky that he's a very sharp guy," Coach Mike Shanahan said. "It is very tough when the guy's graduating class happens to fall when it did. So yeah, he's behind the eight ball, but he's sharp enough to spend next month catching up when a lot of guys are gone. I'll be surprised if he doesn't catch up in time."

On Wednesday, Austin signed a four-year, $1.79-million contract that could be worth as much as $2.6 with performance escalators. The Redskins and Eric Schaffer, Washington's vice president of football administration, "were great to work with," said Austin's agent, Mark F. Magazu II. "And very fair."

Austin's versatility could help him earn an important role on the team. "Anything you can do is going to help you," Shanahan said. "The more you can do, the better off you are, especially when you go to a 53-man squad. You've got to have a lot of people who can wear a lot of different hats."

By Jason Reid  |  June 21, 2010; 10:00 AM ET
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Comments

Repost, since I am the king of getting beep-beeped immediately after posting something:

One issue I think is worth noting in the Jammal Brown trade:

Does anybody think that in years past (with Vinny), we could have acquired a pro bowl OT just by switching from the 4th to 6th rounds in the draft?

Its likely they would have made us give up a 2nd or 3rd straight up, and Vinny would have done it.

Amazing what having competent people in place will do - both for the organization and how you are percieved and treated by other teams.

Posted by: Rypien11 | June 21, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I will be the first to say that Terrence Austin has a major impact in the return game and eventually at receiver. His work ethic, speed, and crisp route running look to translate well in the NFL.

Posted by: MadeRED | June 21, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Anybody gonna go off on Jreid about his unnamed sources any more? Sounds like his sources say that they don’t like the WR situation….that’s kind of negative and Lacanfora-esque, no? Add this to the list of things to talk about over the next 6 weeks.

Like the Brown trade….good to know he passed his physical. I just hope that T Williams works hard enough to solidify the LT spot.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

F Albert -- Keep Albert

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 9:19 AM

The former, and in the backside while they're at it.

Posted by: bones21 | June 21, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

You've got to have a lot of people who can wear a lot of different hats...

Well I have a fedora, a top hat, probably 12 baseball caps, also what about baloon hats would they count?

Posted by: alex35332 | June 21, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Anyone want to draw up a wheres waldo picture, but make it where's Albert?

Posted by: alex35332

That would be too easy, just color the whole picture brown.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 21, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

its really pretty simple - Vinny was a moron who was just smart enough to understand that he wasn't really qualified for the job and wasn't getting a similar opportunity anywhere else so he was perfectly willing to play fantasy football with his rich boss and go with the flow. If they had someone in mind they wanted because of his name and his stats with some good well balanced team, they would mortgage evrything for his services and expect the same results here - all the while ignoring the fact that we weren't a good team. Then when the rich player they just signed got his HUGE signing bonus and started losing his attitude changed because now that he has his contract he wants good stats or super bowls or whatever and we became the joke of the NFL. Free agents came here to get a huge pay day whereas they would go to Pittsburgh or New England for less if it was team success they wanted. Thank God those days are over and we are relevant again. I can once again be proud of the team I have rooted for since the 70's.

Posted by: scottmando | June 21, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone

You're an irritating fool. Tell me, what moves should the front office make that would not reek of Snyder? By your theory:

1. The Skins should not pick up anybody in FA to improve the team, because it's Snyder's doing.
2. The Skins should not trade for solid talent for mid to low round picks to improve the team because its Snyder's doing.
3. The Skins should not even show up to play because its Snyder's evil plan to profit off of fans.

So, besides the draft, which is already over and done with, how should the Skins try to improve themselves oh great one? You keep saying to boycott Snyder, but he's not going anywhere for a long time. So what is your solution? You don't have one, so stop coming on here saying the same sh*t over and over again but providing no answers or reasonable solutions for what you think is a neverending cycle of mistakes.
And you think by coming on here complaining every chance you get about "the team you've been following for over 200 years" you're making any difference in what Snyder does? You're a bafoon.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have concerns about their wide receivers, according to people in the organization"

Does anyone know what it would take to bring in Vincent Jackson from the Chargers? He plans on holding out until November.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

What I loved is that Brown said he wanted to play in Shanahan's offense.

To have an offense, that I imagine, offensive linemen and running backs want to play in, is a very good thing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

"The coaching staff, Embree said, does not tolerate mistakes such as players aligning incorrectly.

"You can't play if you don't know what you're doing," Embree said."

REDSKIN INSIDER

Someone may want to put Devin Thiomas on suicide watch...

SOCCER UPDATE

Saudi Arabian ref just red carded a Swiss player for pulling his Army Knife.

Posted by: TheCork | June 21, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I am trying to keep my expectations in check for the season, as each of these offseason moves has both pros and cons (as evidenced up here every day). I don’t consider new boss = old boss to be true, or a “con” for the record. But the fact that they have indeed made getting a solid O-line in place a priority, and deftfully getting it accomplished (on paper anyway) shows me that the team is on the right track. I have been telling myself thus far not to expect any more than an 8-8 season, and that they will need time to be remolded in shanny’s image. But, of course I am now getting my expectations set higher with each improved roster spot I see. There are of course still some question marks like wide receiver and how the defense will play out, but when I think that once the team bought into martyball a few years back, they finished the season 8-3 with Tony Banks and Kent Graham at QB. And that was with a lot of the vets grumbling through training camp. All of the vets (save one) are all in from what I can see. This could be one of the better years we have seen in quite some time. All I really ask for (for season 1 of Shanny) is a few relevant games in December, and maybe not getting blown out EVERY TIME they are on SNF or MNF…..playoffs would be gravy, but ask me again in week 9.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what it would take to bring in Vincent Jackson from the Chargers? He plans on holding out until November.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report

Jackson is one DUI from being suspended by the league for who knows how long. I'd pass on him, unless the Chargers were willing to take a low round pick for him, but I doubt they would. Their GM seems like a real prick when it comes to dealing with players.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have concerns about their wide receivers, according to people in the organization"

Does anyone know what it would take to bring in Vincent Jackson from the Chargers? He plans on holding out until November.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Coughing up a high-round draft pick to the Chargers and capitulating to Jackson's contract demands.

He's a nice receiver...but not that nice.

Pass.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

^^^knee slapping-tears running from eyes-coughing borderline choking funny

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Does anyone know what it would take to bring in Vincent Jackson from the Chargers?"

Draft picks that we need to hoard like panhandlers do cardboard and sharpies.

I can see the sign they'd write now:

"Will trade Prince Al for V Jackson straight up with no questions asked."

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

^^^knee slapping-tears running from eyes-coughing borderline choking funny

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Anybody gonna go off on Jreid about his unnamed sources any more? Sounds like his sources say that they don’t like the WR situation….that’s kind of negative and Lacanfora-esque, no?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse


Under normal circumstances, I'd lay into the "unnamed sources".

Of course, since I think the WR situation is pretty bleak, I'm going to go ahead and applaud those unnamed sources.

I'm counting on improved Oline play, productive patch-work running game, talented TEs in the passing game, and DMac's ability to run an offense without elite WRs as reason to have some hope for the season coming up.

You'll notice that "playmaking WRs" are not on my list of reasons to have hope...

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have concerns about their wide receivers, according to people in the organization..."


So which receiver might find himself an ex-redskin come Labor Day?

Devin Thomas

Malcolm Kelly


Moe says despite his 'stupid is as stupid does' issues, Devin Thomas has shown some flashes of ability.

Malcolm Kelly might be a goner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Prediction Post:

Dallas - L
Houston - W
St. Louis - W
Philly - L
GB - L
Indy - L
Chi - W
Det - W
Philly - W
Tenn - L
Minny - L
NYG - L
TB - W
Dal - L
Jax - W
NYG - L

7-9 Record
I still see the team as finishing 3rd or 4th in the NFC East.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Prediction Post:

Dallas - L
Houston - W
St. Louis - W
Philly - L
GB - L
Indy - L
Chi - W
Det - W
Philly - W
Tenn - L
Minny - L
NYG - L
TB - W
Dal - L
Jax - W
NYG - L

7-9 Record
I still see the team as finishing 3rd or 4th in the NFC East.


Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 10:59 AM


= power rankings

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse


Hessone, there's no worse feeling than rooting for a team that you think is hopeless. We as fans look at the offseason as a time for optimism, just like every other fanbase in the NFL. So we analyze every move the team makes and hope for the best. Your insanely negative approach is both depressing and pathetic. If you have such little hope for the team, either you're better off rooting for someone else or just becoming an unattached observer of football. All the hate is literally taking years off your life.

--end Dr. Phil session--

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with this. Fan affinity lasts a lifetime. Boycotts can work and remarkably even consumers of a lousy NFL franchise product can force change. I don't think that now is a great time to wallow in Snyder's mistakes, but on the other hand it's an even bigger mistake to try to banish this point of view all together.

Posted by: Pepper5

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know what it would take to bring in Vincent Jackson from the Chargers? He plans on holding out until November.

Posted by: nfcBEaST | June 21, 2010 10:39 AM


A miracle and more picks than we should be willing to part with...

srobert, no self-respecting Skins fan should EVER predict a sweep at the hands of Dallas. Even under Zorn, I couldn't bear to predict anything worse than a split.

I mean, even Spurrier beat Dallas once...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone

You're an irritating fool. Tell me, what moves should the front office make that would not reek of Snyder? By your theory:

1. The Skins should not pick up anybody in FA to improve the team, because it's Snyder's doing.
2. The Skins should not trade for solid talent for mid to low round picks to improve the team because its Snyder's doing.
3. The Skins should not even show up to play because its Snyder's evil plan to profit off of fans.

So, besides the draft, which is already over and done with, how should the Skins try to improve themselves oh great one? You keep saying to boycott Snyder, but he's not going anywhere for a long time. So what is your solution? You don't have one, so stop coming on here saying the same sh*t over and over again but providing no answers or reasonable solutions for what you think is a neverending cycle of mistakes.
And you think by coming on here complaining every chance you get about "the team you've been following for over 200 years" you're making any difference in what Snyder does? You're a bafoon.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 10:36 AM

I started to reply to hessone the other day too, but I remembered something. You can't argue with crazy. Leave him be and hopefully he will do us all a favor and go away.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | June 21, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

At the risk of alienating a few idealists...

The Redskins have already sold all the tickets they can for the 2010 - 2011 season. Even if no one actually shows up at the stadium this season, every seat has already been sold.

Regardless of how the front office performs this season, most folks know that they cannot sell or collect so much as another dime in stadium advertising, merchandising and sponsorship deals. At this late date, everything is fully subscribed.

The pool for paying out player salaries for the 2010 - 2011 campaign will probably remain rather static -- and in line with the $200 million or so that was paid out each year over the last several years. For example, for every $21 million roster bonus paid out to a marquee bust like AH92, we can probably count another six or seven players still working on rookie contracts and making close to league minimum wages.

While Little Danny would probably like to field a winning team, that goal is not nearly as important as fielding a profitable one. And lest anyone has failed to notice, the team has continued to generate record level profits every year, despite the continuing poor and worsening play on the field.

It has yet to be proven that this year's new coaches, new schemes, new high profile signings, etc., will be any better than the last several sets of same -- particularly when the team will continue to work under or plan around several certified drama queens held over from earlier years -- like CP26, AH92 and CR22.

Unless and until Danny relinquishes control of the team, we can only expect more of the same.

We won't be deceived again.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 21, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse


@ga8085

These are just my comments, not the end of the world. Jeez

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

you can't fix stupid, no matter how hard you try....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 21, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly might be a goner.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Uh-oh, you just made 4th's MK12 sense tingle.


*No homo, pause.*


The most impressive thing to date I've seen Kelly do was catch a 84 yard pass, only to get caught by the defender at the 4 yard line.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Moe says despite his 'stupid is as stupid does' issues, Devin Thomas has shown some flashes of ability.

Malcolm Kelly might be a goner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 10:59 AM
-------------------------------------------
See Malcolm run. Run Malcolm run. Wrong way Malcolm. Wrong way. See Malcolm block. Block Malcolm block. See Malcolm whiff. See Macolm get cut. Bye-bye Malcolm.

This Dr. Seuss moment brought to you by the letter "I", as in, there is no "I" in team - nor is there an MK...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that now is a great time to wallow in Snyder's mistakes, but on the other hand it's an even bigger mistake to try to banish this point of view all together.

Posted by: Pepper5


No, this isn't the time. He's out of the way. This is CLEARLY the most substantive change we've seen this organization undergo in the full 11 year history of Snyder's ownership. Only people with a grudge or bias against Snyder don't realize that.

I hate Snyder as much as the next fan...maybe even more. But everything is moving in the right direction now and this isn't the time to harp on stuff that happened 2 or 3 years ago. Whether or not Shanahan and company get us to the SB, this ship is sailing in the right direction. That can't be ignored just because we're all punch drunk.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse


@HokiesSkins

Taking this Redskin thing to seriously my friend? So how much money have you spent on $nyders football team the past decade? How many winning seasons? I've spent more money on toilet paper the past 2 seasons than I've put in $nyders pockets. The beat goes on for those of us in denial. Comments are to be taken with a grain of salt. Folks that can't handle forum should go water their flowers or jump in the lake. By the way, to live in this world one must be crazy.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

The most impressive thing to date I've seen Kelly do was catch a 84 yard pass, only to get caught by the defender at the 4 yard line.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Against the SanDiego 2nd string.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I mean, even Spurrier beat Dallas once...
Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:08 AM

It’s just a shame that we open against them on national tv. They are essentially unchanged from last year’s team that won the division, and while their Oline has a question mark or two, I think that they did get better through the draft. They are going to spend all of pre-season just reinforcing what they know and getting ready for the skins, while the skins will be spending most of the time learning new plays and schemes. But I will say this, unlike Zorn, Shanny WILL HAVE THIS TEAM MOTIVATED to play on national tv. Last year’s team just simply didn’t WANT to win. Hopefully Shanahan can be the QB coach that Reid wasn’t, and help mcnabb to beat the cowboys again. It will also be interesting to see if Romo takes the next step this year, buy I have always said (and still do) that until he gets a coach/coordinator that is willing to put their foot up his butt, he’s gonna be the same old Romo, with his goofy what-me worry grin on his face after another epic fail.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I started to reply to hessone the other day too, but I remembered something. You can't argue with crazy. Leave him be and hopefully he will do us all a favor and go away.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | June 21, 2010 11:09 AM

Hessone gets "Troll of the Month" for June. He posts the same thing every time and still manages to rile people up. He's gotten blow back from ga8085, iH8dallas, brownwood26, Predator48, and p1funk. Of course, getting these guys to respond to nonsense is known as "picking the low-hanging fruit."

Posted by: greenback | June 21, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

you can't fix stupid, no matter how hard you try....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 21, 2010 11:13 AM
-----------------------------------------
Yes, but apparently you can give stupid a $21.0m bonus for playing nose tackle and watch him sit out...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I started to reply to hessone the other day too, but I remembered something. You can't argue with crazy. Leave him be and hopefully he will do us all a favor and go away.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | June 21, 2010 11:09 AM


Smartest post of the day...I'll try and follow suit, my friend.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Really.. 1-5 in the division? Losing to MIN, IND, GB, and TEN? Let's see, that is 1-9 against those teams.

I just don't see it. The Redskins have a completely revamped OL, a top QB, a new coaching staff, and more far more depth at RB than last year.

Last year's team, had a lot of trouble scoring points, running the ball, protecting the QB, in fact they sucked in all offensive phases. If the young receivers can step it up, the offense should be vastly improved.

Last year's defense played below their talent level and were far too conservative. Yet they were still arguably a top-10 defense. Give them a lead, and more aggressive play, and they should be at least as good if not better.

That doesn't translate to 1-9, even against the top teams. I expect 3-7 or 4-6, which translates to a 9-7 record, or even, if they get lucky, 10-6.

I am, of course, an optimist. But there have been a lot of changes made.

Posted by: dpc2003 | June 21, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I thought I saw someone say that “boycotting works”? Keep in mind that you are dealing with Dan Snyder. All of the true Snyder “haters” like to bash his Hollywood ties and make fun of his dealings with Tom Cruise, and love to say how stubborn he is. Guess what Snyder will do if everyone boycotts and he starts losing money (like that will ever happen)…..sell the team? Don’t think so. He would move it to Los Angeles, and you could all really start rooting for the ravens. Book that.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26
harp on stuff that happened 2 or 3 years ago.

I'm sorry brown, but it's been over a decade of this mess.

That can't be ignored just because we're all punch drunk.

More like in denial.

Just think about the reality here. Sure, some of the moves that have been made recently look good on paper, but.... $nyder owns this team. Just because someone is skeptical and doesn't think the football decisions have changed always makes them a moron.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

iH8, I still have visions of Phil Rivers carving up the Redskins.

Sort of get the feeling had they left him in he would've torched the 'skins to the tune of 400 yards and 5 TDs while completing something like 70% of his passes.


'Skins completely mailed that game in... it was the last game of a horrible season, Zorn by the time was strapped to the electric chair and had been read his last rites... there was nothing left to play for. Not even pride.

Their pride had been taken and consumed in front of them that MNF game vs. the Giants.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

hessone,

Why don't you simply explain to the group what exactly you think should have transpired this offseason.

What could have happened that would signal to you that the organization is moving in a right/positive direction?

Leave out the asinine notion that Danny should have sold the team - let's try to talk reasonably.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"picking the low-hanging fruit."

Eh, So add that to the list of summertime jibbajabba for '010. Still rates ahead of Haynesworth is a _ _ talk, and the noise of 50,000 vuvuzelas.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 21, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The most impressive thing to date I've seen Kelly do was catch a 84 yard pass, only to get caught by the defender at the 4 yard line.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse


No kidding.

You look at that play, and think - Wait a minute...was that a good thing or a bad thing that just happened?

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I for one think that we have changed course. I believe that Dan Snyder, in spite of his many past mistakes, wants to win more than anything else. Of course he wants to turn a nice profit as well. For his 800 million dollar investment he should. He has not been as succesful as far as wins and losses as we would all like but it's only because he wanted to be involved with his new toy - IMHO. That being said, I think he has realized that he needs a good GM and a good HC and he needs to pay the bills and leave football to the experts. I hope he is successful and he finally gets to enjoy some playoff wins and a run to the Super Bowl. He has spent an enormous amount of money trying to accomplish this, however foolish it may have been. Lets stop hating and be optimistic again. Remember what the old Redskins said on here from last week - Success on the football field also has alot to do with the spirit of the team. We are all members of the team as fans whether we think so or not. I don't mean to imply that we have to agree with every move because we won't - but we have to be encouraged by the pieces of the puzzle that the new FO has assembled and the general attitude of the players buying in to this staff. A nice winning streak will do wonders for alot of you and your cynical thinking. I for one look forward to a much improved team and a new way of being viewed by the rest of the NFL. HTTR!

Posted by: scottmando | June 21, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse


ga8085, iH8dallas, brownwood26, Predator48, and p1funk.

It is with great honor that I get blow back from these great posters and I gladly except the "Troll of the Month" award.

Angelos + Davis = $nyder

HA HA HA

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze, I think the most overrated team in the NFL is Dallas. Their O-line has taken a massive hit in the offseason and has done little to improve it. They've got some issues at DB and, of course, the Romo/Phillips combo is good for just one career playoff win. Add that with the tougher schedule this year, and I'll be shocked if they get over 10 games this year.

Sad part is, 10 games may be enough to win the division.

That said, this division is wide open and there's not much separating the Cowboys from the rest of the pack. We're obviously a work in progress, but I see no reason why we can't beat them Week 1.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Really.. 1-5 in the division? Losing to MIN, IND, GB, and TEN? Let's see, that is 1-9 against those teams.

I just don't see it. The Redskins have a completely revamped OL, a top QB, a new coaching staff, and more far more depth at RB than last year.

Last year's team, had a lot of trouble scoring points, running the ball, protecting the QB, in fact they sucked in all offensive phases. If the young receivers can step it up, the offense should be vastly improved.

Last year's defense played below their talent level and were far too conservative. Yet they were still arguably a top-10 defense. Give them a lead, and more aggressive play, and they should be at least as good if not better.

That doesn't translate to 1-9, even against the top teams. I expect 3-7 or 4-6, which translates to a 9-7 record, or even, if they get lucky, 10-6.

I am, of course, an optimist. But there have been a lot of changes made.

Posted by: dpc2003

There is a reason why they don't give out awards for the off season. A bunch of new players and new schemes does not equate to beating teams that are not going through the same wholesale changes. 2 starters on the dline and 1 starter on the oline sat out the entire 2009 season with injuries. Yet people expect them to come in and immediately start playing at a high level. Shanahan is a good coach but not a miracle worker. Dockery, Rabach and BWilliams are not the type of player that Shanny usually uses on the Oline. Teams do not overhaul their personnel, change coaches, changes schemes and go from 4-12 to the playoffs.

Another thing to consider. Look at the sack stats of 2008 compared to 2009 and tell me Haynesworth did not have an impact. Fat Al demanded double teams which opened it up for those guys to get to the QB. The defense without him my struggle, especially early on in the season.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Boy I am really chatty today……I think we all figured out after watching Chase throw a few fades last preseason and Campbell NOT throw any, that the coaches thought he couldn’t throw that pass. From watching experts talk, it’s all about reading the coverage and putting the ball over the correct shoulder so the receiver can adjust. If Mcnabb can throw this pass, I think M. Kelly makes the team. If not, probably say it was nice to know you Malcolm…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Sure, some of the moves that have been made recently look good on paper, but.... $nyder owns this team.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse


What does that mean?

So we make a bunch of solid moves to improve the Oline - reasonable moves. Some draft picks, a couple veteran FA pickups, a not-so expensive trade for a 29year old former Pro Bowler at our biggest position of need and question.

And just because Snyder owns the team you are skeptical of how these moves will pan out on the field?

However these moves pan out on the field has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Snyder. It has everything to do with the coaches, players, and schemes.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

It will also be interesting to see if Romo takes the next step this year, buy I have always said (and still do) that until he gets a coach/coordinator that is willing to put their foot up his butt, he’s gonna be the same old Romo, with his goofy what-me worry grin on his face after another epic fail.


Posted by: dlhaze1


No question the funniest moments of last season all came in one game when Dallas got the crap beat out of them by Minnesota.

I enjoyed watching Favre celebrate after hitting Sidney Rice for that 40+ TD pass and watching Tony NoRomo repeatedly pick his carcass up off the turf.


Dallas fans were on LSD after beating the Eagles the prior game, they just KNEW they were playing the Saints. It was SO fun watching their dreams shatter sack after Viking sack.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

hessone,

We've made poor aquisitions in the past, no one is going to deny that.

That said, can you honestly say that the guys we've picked up THIS offseason have been poor choices?

Donovan McNabb, who:
A)was a pro bowler last season
2)has been a huge thorn in our side for 10 years and
F)is an exponential upgrade over Jason Campbell

for a 2nd and conditional 3rd?

Jamal Brown, who:
1) is a 2 time Pro Bowler at a position of need
d) is in his prime
%) is not Stephon Heyer

by moving down from the 3rd or 4th to the 5th or 6th round next year?

Those, my friend, are shrewd moves.

Whether or not they work out for us remains to be seen, but you can't put them in the same class as Deion, Bruce, etc...

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 21, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Also took orgasmic pleasure in seeing Suisham shank TWO kicks in that game!


I remember thinking how much the two deserved each other.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

ga8085, iH8dallas, brownwood26, Predator48, and p1funk.

It is with great honor that I get blow back from these great posters and I gladly except the "Troll of the Month" award.

Angelos + Davis = $nyder

HA HA HA

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse


Blow-back?

You post some comments, and I've asked some pretty reasonable follow-up questions. I was under the impression that's what a good chunk of blogging up here is all about.

But if you are simply needy for some kind of attention from me and other posters in order to feel secure or important, then I'll send you an autographed portrait and an "I (heart) p1funk" bumper sticker....welcome to the fan club...

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Just think about the reality here. Sure, some of the moves that have been made recently look good on paper, but.... $nyder owns this team. Just because someone is skeptical and doesn't think the football decisions have changed always makes them a moron.


Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:29 AM


OK, I'm gonna give you something here that's gonna trump all argument and end my debate with you. So listen closely.

If the Arizona Cardinals can overcome their miserable history with the right coaching hire, the right veteran QB signing, and a couple nice hits on draft picks, then the Redskins can certainly do the same. The Cards have had lousy ownership the same as the Lions and the Bengals have, yet there they were one Roethlisboner miracle away from an improbable SB win.

I recall a Raiders team (assembled by Bruce Allen, I believe) going to a SB several years back doing the exact same thing the Skins are doing now. They might even win that game if they weren't going up against the guy who helped build that team (Gruden) and if they hadn't had a clown like Bill Callahan as HC.

And of course we're aware of the senile crypt-keeper that owns the Raiders.

To say that the Skins CAN'T win despite their owner with this new regime is to ignore recent history.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:38 AM

Here’s a first folks….mark the date and time….bwood being optimistic vs me being pessimistic.

Dallas is overrated of course/as usual, and there are of course already a lot of pundits picking them for the SB. I know the east is wide open, but I think that their continuity will overcome their questionmarks, and they will prolly win the east again. I would favor our chances a lot higher if we faced them in week 3 or 4, and I will still be jacked up for the week one game. But if you made me bet the farm on it, I would go with Dallas in week 1. Back to the east, right now I would pick the boys, but obviously that could all change by say week 6. I think that the skins are making enough good changes to compete for the division, but I wouldn’t bet on it just yet until I see a few games. The optimist in me hopes so, and has dreams of them coming hot out of the gate, but I just don’t see them beating Dallas in week 1. “Hope I’m wrong”.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

We definitely beat Dallas week 1.

They won't know what hit em'.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse


Guys, we all felt the same about $nyder stepping to the side and giving Gibbs total control. But what happened there? You could say Gibbs was in over his head and if it weren't for Beathard he wouldn't had been a winner. If I tell you I get your point of views and you're moving forward, great. All the best to you and all the folks that are pulling for this change. But the fact that we are trading draft picks, and I understand your points about value in these picks being traded away, we are on the same course as the last decade. Sure it looks good on paper, but give me the a break here. $nyders's the one we've been dealing with for all these years and we will have to as long as he owns this team.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

No, this isn't the time. He's out of the way. This is CLEARLY the most substantive change we've seen this organization undergo in the full 11 year history of Snyder's ownership. Only people with a grudge or bias against Snyder don't realize that.

I hate Snyder as much as the next fan...maybe even more. But everything is moving in the right direction now and this isn't the time to harp on stuff that happened 2 or 3 years ago. Whether or not Shanahan and company get us to the SB, this ship is sailing in the right direction. That can't be ignored just because we're all punch drunk.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with what you're saying avbove. I just think it's useful to be reminded every now and then that 'ol Dumb @$$ is still in the House. Because, well..because he is. And I need about three years of uninterrupted positive change before I want to forget that.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I think meeting Dallas in Week 1 is actually and advantage for the Skins.

All these teams (particularly the offenses) tend to be kind of rusty coming out of training camp. They're not in game rhythm, they've not yet found their stride for the season, etc. etc.

This - I think - levels the playing field a little bit for the Skins.

Of course last season, Dallas came out in Week 1 and Week 2 and posted 30+ points, so the point may be moot.

But if anything, the pressure will be on Dallas that game.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Right. Go ahead and keep tossing Al Davis' name along side Dan Snyder's. It's the most on par comparison between owners in the NFL.

Just look at their bodies of work. It makes TOO much sense that you would compare the two.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Red, there were some really good playoff games last year, but the Vikings/Cowboys game was definitely the most “fun” to watch. The cardinals/packers game comes in at a very close 2nd…..what a game that was. Funny how a skins fan like me enjoyed watching dallas get their butts kicked more than watching the highest scoring playoff game ever. I would imagine more than a few feel the same way.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Another thing to consider. Look at the sack stats of 2008 compared to 2009 and tell me Haynesworth did not have an impact. Fat Al demanded double teams which opened it up for those guys to get to the QB. The defense without him my struggle, especially early on in the season.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 11:39 AM


Yet the scoring defense went from 18.4 points per game in 2008 to 21 ppg in '09. You let me know which is more important...

This team played well defensively without Haynesworth in the past and eventually, they'll do it again. Keeping a malcontent because Andre Carter had more sacks is retarded.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse


Once again, hessone.

If you'd like to tell the group what moves the Skins could have reasonably/possibly made this offseason that you think would have been appropriate to signal a change of direction, then we're all ears.

Otherwise, I feel forced to join the chorus of voices informing you that recycling criticism from the past 10 years about the organization is a waste of cyberspace.

We've all been around for the last 10 years. We've all ripped the organization.

And?

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Or did you fail to notice Vinny Bugeyes at last week's alumni gathering...

Offering his excuses and alibis for the AH92 situation... along with more unmitgated gall and BS.

So.... If everything is supposed to be so much better this season,

Then tell me, who let that jacka$$ in, and why?

We won't get fooled again!

Posted by: Vic1 | June 21, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Austin has some speed, so maybe he will be a decent kick / punt returner, but I cannot see him as an every day receiver. Maybe they bring him in when they need a true deep threat.

BTW, the headline says he is getting a long look as a WR and kick returner, but he's yet to practice. Mis-leading, huh? Should be "will get a long look at WR and kick returner". The anonymous sources thing is quite annoying. Why not come out and say that, "due to the multiple free agent signings at wide receiver it can be assumed the team is not happy with the receivers from last year". Why even go with the whole "anonymous sources" thing? Ray Charles could see the team is looking for something more at receiver...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't disagree with what you're saying avbove. I just think it's useful to be reminded every now and then that 'ol Dumb @$$ is still in the House. Because, well..because he is. And I need about three years of uninterrupted positive change before I want to forget that.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 11:56 AM


Snyder in the house was never the problem...it was Snyder in the war room on draft day and Snyder with his paw prints all over the football ops that was the problem. If he's out of that now, that's the change that was necessary.

To say that just because he's still in the building "nothing's change" or "it's business as usual", is foolish and short-sighted. I've heard fans of teams like the Lions and Bengals and other teams with "cheapskate" owners say that they wish they had a guy like Snyder who was willing to spend. Snyder's spending isn't what's doomed this team...it's spending FOOLISHLY.

The Pats win plenty and do so by getting old guys in free agency. The only difference between them and us is that they pick the RIGHT guys.

Hopefully, Allen and Shanahan will do the same.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

This - I think - levels the playing field a little bit for the Skins.
Of course last season, Dallas came out in Week 1 and Week 2 and posted 30+ points, so the point may be moot.
But if anything, the pressure will be on Dallas that game.
Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 11:58 AM

But on my other hand, I think Shanny could outcoach Wade Phillips any day of the week. If the skins have a good looking pre-season, I will surely be singing a different tune come 9/12……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I like that little schedule note about dudes not being able to join their NFL teams until their colleges are done with classes. As if any of us believe the NFL gives a damn about the academickal aspects of college.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 21, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Jamal Brown trade looks like a no-brainer even if doesn't return to his Pro Bowl form. I hope the Redskins haven't already committed to a long-term extension for a guy who hasn't played in a year after a major injury. If nothing else, this means Heyer is unlikely to make the squad even as a backup so the line has some good depth. Hopefully, Rhino can became the full time starting RG with Hicks as the 6th man on the line to give depth.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 21, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Or did you fail to notice Vinny Bugeyes at last week's alumni gathering...

Offering his excuses and alibis for the AH92 situation... along with more unmitgated gall and BS.

So.... If everything is supposed to be so much better this season,

Then tell me, who let that jacka$$ in, and why?

We won't get fooled again!

Posted by: Vic1 | June 21, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Dude, are you serious?

It was a Redskins alumni BBQ. Vinny is (sadly) a Redskins alum.

Even Charley Casserly was there.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse


I know one thing that we all can agree on folks!

I HATE DALLAS AND YOU HATE DALLAS!

Trying to break the ice here, jeez.

If I told you again and again that I hear you loud and clear, would you hear me? Throw out the Pro Bowl debate, it means nothing. How many times has $nyder, sorry, the Redskins signed Pro Bowl players, only to regret it. And ask one of the best middle linebackers in the league what he thinks about the Pro Bowl, London Fletcher. So forget the Pro Bowl debate. With Jammal Brown saying he's fit and ready to play, well that's anyones guess. And McNabb, after years of no legit receivers to throw to until Stevens came along, he comes to the Redskins. With an abundance of talent at that position I can't see him having a good year with that corp.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Or did you fail to notice Vinny Bugeyes at last week's alumni gathering...

Offering his excuses and alibis for the AH92 situation... along with more unmitgated gall and BS.

So.... If everything is supposed to be so much better this season,

Then tell me, who let that jacka$$ in, and why?

We won't get fooled again!

Posted by: Vic1 | June 21, 2010 12:06 PM

Even the sh*tty alumni are allowed to go to reunions.

I mean, your high school let you back, didn't they?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse


dl, tru. There were a few playoff games that were entertaining, but yeah the Dallas game was the MOST entertaining by far for several reasons.


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The defense was overrated last year. They seemed unable to get stops when needed the most.

Now, was that because of the offense inability to stay on the field or the conservatism and predictability of Blache's defense?

I'll never know. All I know is that they couldn't get the other teams offense off the field.


Anyone know how many leads the 'skins took into the 4th quarter last year?

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Who is Stevens? If you don't even know the names of players in the league please stop with your groundhog day like posting of the same bs over and over. The Redskins will suck no matter what they do with $nyder owning the team. You win, great job.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 21, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

WHY IS ANYONE EVEN TALKING ABOUT THE COWBOYS? DON’T BE FOOLED; AS LONG AS JERRY JONE$ OWNS THE TEAM, THINGS WILL REMAIN THE SAME!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse


@p1funk
Posted by: greenback
Hessone gets "Troll of the Month" for June. He posts the same thing every time and still manages to rile people up. He's gotten blow back from ga8085, iH8dallas, brownwood26, Predator48, and p1funk.

I wasn't the one that accused you of blow-back. My fault for not filtering your name out. After all, this is just forum and not a serious crime committed.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm serious.

This modern-day Rasputin singlehandedly made countless dumb decisions that adversely affected this franchise for years to come -- while playing head sycophant to the Mad Dwarf.

Both should be summarily banished from anything even remotely related to the Redskins... past, present or future.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 21, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

my STUPID opinion is more of the same. McNabb is done. He'll end up on IR before the season is over. Of course, hessone doesn't have any substance and is a one trick pony. Hessone says, buyer beware.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse
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I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU EAT CROW!!!!

Redskins will finish with a better record than the EAGLES.... BOOK IT!!!

Listen, the Eagles are the most over-rated team this year in the NFC BEAST & Kevin Kolb better be Aaron Rogers or they are done. You can't keep losing team leaders & expect to be better... sports don't work that way... they have lost McNabb, Westbrook, & Dawkins the last 2 years... Dawkins replacement is done for the year already & they have no proven RB except Mike Bell (wasn't impressed with McCoy last year)... The only advantage they have is their WR's, well if you can't run the ball effectively than your going to reduce the effect of your passing game.

McNabb will finally have the game pressure reduced because he will have a solid run game & now a solid O-line to give him time. The Redskins have weapons at every position on offense... you got 3 headed monster in the backfield & I'm not counting Willie Parker... Portis, LJ, & Torrain with possible addition of Westbrook... You have 2 playmaking TE's that can be utilized just as effectively as WR's which is why you don't trade them... Santana Moss & Devin Thomas are deep threats with McNabb @ QB... and finally you might have a serious X factor in Dennis Morris as your FB, look the dude runs a 4.4 - 4.6 with good hands & appears to be a monster blocker... we'll just have to see how he progresses. Finally, you have plenty of options at WR #3/4/5... I don't think we are giving the Skins offense enough credit from where we were a year ago.

The only issue is the Skins along with the NFC BEAST have a very difficult schedule, but all the tough games are at home... I got 10-6 & wild card berth, if we can split or better in the division. At least we'll be giving the Gints a new look this year & hopefully get back to challenging them, because they have had our number. I think the new look Redskins are going to have a huge advantage in the first half of the season ala Jim Zorn except with a lil bit of hot sauce.

Posted by: tony325 | June 21, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Reggie Williams was let go by Seattle. I'll be surprised if he is not signed. Not that he's all that great but I think we have every other out of work WR on our roster.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | June 21, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The defense was overrated last year...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse


The one thing that our defense excelled at last season was showing the difference betweeen "statistically good" and "good."

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 21, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Just because Cerrato doesn't officially work for the Redskins anymore doesn't mean that him and Dan aren't still cool.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Snyder in the house was never the problem...it was Snyder in the war room on draft day and Snyder with his paw prints all over the football ops that was the problem. If he's out of that now, that's the change that was necessary.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

My point is not Hessone's. My point is that Dan Snyder can change things any time he wants. We can hope he won't meddle in the future and six months into the new administration there are no signs he has but the future is still a hope not a certainty. I will need multiple meddle free seasons to conclude he's truly changed his stripes. At the moment we're still in honeymoon mode with Shanallen. It remains to be seen when he gets antsy how he will control himself.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Can you respond without the childish comments. They do make you look bad.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

We definitely beat Dallas week 1.

They won't know what hit em'.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 11:51 AM
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I say we take out Romo in the first game so their season will crumble around their ears...

I don't think much of Wade Philips as a head coach. He always struck me as being too soft on his players. I thought last year would be the year they crumbled, but maybe I was just a year too early.

One thing seems certain in my mind, and that is if Romo gets hurt, their season is over. I don't like the guy, but I respect him. Even if he doesn't get hurt, McNabb has a pretty good track record against Dallas and so does Santana Moss. I like that synergy in the first game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have concerns about their wide receivers, according to people in the organization..."

Once again, Vinny at his finest.

One of the worst draft in years for WR's and one of the deepest for OL's and he takes 3 WR's with the first three picks.

Crazy.

"Just think about the reality here. Sure, some of the moves that have been made recently look good on paper, but.... $nyder owns this team. Just because someone is skeptical and doesn't think the football decisions have changed always makes them a moron."

Guys like this are the first to jump off the "bandwagon" when things are going bad, and always first to criticize when it's tough.

I can stand "fair weather" fans because they aren't really fans. It's like all of those people who go to the Caps games and "Rock the Red" but don't know anybody on the roster.

Like Mike Wise. :P

You know why it's changing here? Look at the veterans coming back to Redskins Park. They never liked Vinny, look at what George Stark had to say about him last week. He tore him apart.

Shanny being here might not guarantee a SB, but the moves that he and Allen have made have been nothing short of GREAT. They did in one offseason that Vinny could not in 10 years.

Shanny is going to be successful here. Why? The guy went and watched EVERY team in the NFL last year on his own dime. He took notes...and it's not like he was out of football as long as Gibbs or anything. He was only out one year. That's the guy I want coaching my team, the football lifer.

One of my friends is just like Hessone. Hates Snyder with a passion, but still watches the Redskins and does not hesitate to criticize. Even he thinks they are currently making the right moves.

The bad part is ShanAllen is going to have to undo everything Vinny did just to fix the team.

My money is that they make the playoffs THIS year. Maybe not the SB, but definately the playoffs.

I can't stand fair weather fans.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse


@ToddStinkston
My bad here. I meant to post DeSean Jackson. You are one critical dude my friend. Maybe anger management has a place on their roster for you.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

At the moment we're still in honeymoon mode with Shanallen. It remains to be seen when he gets antsy how he will control himself.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 12:23 PM


Fair enough...I just believe that things HAVE changed and that it's a matter of whether Snyder allows them to STAY changed. We had things changed under Schottenheimer and he came back and changed it back.

And before Hessone jumps all over that, I doubt seriously that happens this time around because Allen has far more deep ties to the Redskins organization than Marty ever could.

Plus that was, you know, 10 years ago.

And hessone...I'll stop the "childish comments" when you stop holding 10 year long grudges. They make you look bad.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead and keep tossing Al Davis' name along side Dan Snyder's.

Just look at their bodies of work...
Posted by: RedDMV

K, but their faces are way different. Snyder's a baby face who tries to look old with those black shades. But Davis is one ugly dude. Looks like a lizard that someone threw acid on. No wonder he's so p'd off all the time.

Posted by: SonofNero | June 21, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

You know why it's changing here? Look at the veterans coming back to Redskins Park. They never liked Vinny, look at what George Stark had to say about him last week. He tore him apart.

Shanny being here might not guarantee a SB, but the moves that he and Allen have made have been nothing short of GREAT. They did in one offseason that Vinny could not in 10 years.

Shanny is going to be successful here. Why? The guy went and watched EVERY team in the NFL last year on his own dime. He took notes...and it's not like he was out of football as long as Gibbs or anything. He was only out one year. That's the guy I want coaching my team, the football lifer.

Posted by: rmcazz | June 21, 2010 12:31 PM


Well said, my friend.

THAT'S the kind of outlook Skins fans should have right now.

It's easy to feel like hessone during the Zorn regime. Many on the blog remember my tirades up here around this time last year. I didn't sound much different than he does now. But this is MUCH different than it was a year ago.

Embrace the change, people. Drink it in. It's long overdue.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why people get on here and bash the Redskins..WTF? I read this blog because I'm a fan. You silly ass cynics will all be buying beers and laughing with us real fans at the games when things turn around. So STFU and stop making yourself look stupid.

Posted by: scottmando | June 21, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse


@rmcazz

One of my friends is like rmcazz, thinks he knows it all. I've been a fan since 1966. You don't know me from squat. Fair weather, not even close. Sounds like you're just jumping on the wagon here.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Hessone, do you and your friends go to all of the home games (I know you wouldn’t pay for a ticket, just hang outside the stadium) dressed like vampires, and yell at all of the “sheep” while smoking cigarettes and drinking fake blood?

“Yeah, fools…..just keeping giving Snyder all that money….money is his god….just keep filing into that stadium like sheep to the slaughter. BAAAAAH! BAAAAH!....stupid SHEEP! BAAAAAAAH!”

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I highly doubt any person on here, including hessone, is a fairweather fan.

Fairweather fans don't spend their time at work blogging about their team in JUNE.

Only real Redskins fans gripe and moan about the team in summer months.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

One of my friends is like rmcazz....

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:37 PM

How about your other friend? What's he like?

Posted by: greenback | June 21, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

OK brown, you throw away the last decade and I'll stay on guard. But if we agree to disagree, you can still have a discussion without trying to make someone look bad because you disagree with them. Come on. Again, been a fan since 1966. I don't know everything about football. But I do have passion, I do take your comments into consideration, and I try not to bad mouth anyone posting. My Uncle drove the ambulance for the Steelers back before they had EMT's at the games. He use to sneak me into games back in the 60's and 70's. Football and hockey are my favorite sports, and I coach hockey. I will remain a loyal Redskin fan, but you also know how I feel about ownership here. And you also know I won't give this ownership another dime. Just think all of the fans money going in Stompworths pockets. Makes me sick, how about you? I wish everyone the best and just have a different opinion than some of you. I also realize that there's others that feel the same way as I do. Let's try and post with a little dignity here is all I'm saying.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

"Sounds like you're just jumping on the wagon here."

Sounds like you jumped off a long time ago.

Please stay off, WE need you about as much as WE need Albert Haynesworth right now.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | June 21, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Hessone, do you and your friends go to all of the home games (I know you wouldn’t pay for a ticket, just hang outside the stadium) dressed like vampires, and yell at all of the “sheep” while smoking cigarettes and drinking fake blood?

“Yeah, fools…..just keeping giving Snyder all that money….money is his god….just keep filing into that stadium like sheep to the slaughter. BAAAAAH! BAAAAH!....stupid SHEEP! BAAAAAAAH!”


Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 21, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh sh!t, I about pooped my pants when I read this.

I'm imagining some emo vamp kids chilling outside the stadium goth-serving fools.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Yet the scoring defense went from 18.4 points per game in 2008 to 21 ppg in '09. You let me know which is more important...

This team played well defensively without Haynesworth in the past and eventually, they'll do it again. Keeping a malcontent because Andre Carter had more sacks is retarded.

Posted by: brownwood26

You are assuming that I am saying that they should keep Fat Al. By no means do I think they should keep him. I am just pointing out that teams will be able to focus on shutting down Orakpo and Carter without having to worry about Fat Al.

Obviously giving up less points is more important but there are factors to consider when comparing years. The 2009 team turned the ball over 10 more times than the 2008 team. Turnovers leads to points. The number of sacks increased by 16 from 2008 - 2009.

The defense has to adjust to a new scheme. A scheme in which none of the LBs have played in before. It will require Orakpo and Carter to drop back in coverage as well as rush the QB. The front 3 only has 1 guy who has played in a 3-4 and that was only briefly.

New scheme and no difference maker in the front 3 is why I expect the defense to take a step back this year. I still think they should rid themselves of the cancer.

I think they are going in the right direction but laying off the koolaid until I see it on the field.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"But if we agree to disagree, you can still have a discussion without trying to make someone look bad because you disagree with them."


That's the protocol up here. Usually involves a lot of hyperbole and/or either direct or in-direct insults.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

Calm in the eye of the storm. Thanks for the excellent comment. I won't swear to it, but I'll try not to use the "B" word in my future post, unless "$" makes another obvious blunder.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

...I just believe that things HAVE changed and that it's a matter of whether Snyder allows them to STAY changed. We had things changed under Schottenheimer and he came back and changed it back.
Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's impatience is worth worrying about. It's very difficult to imagine he'd be content not being involved, and so it becomes a question of how he's involved and how Allen gives him a "role."

When the subject is $nyder, I am willing to provide more leg room for paranoid conspiracy theories and have even spread a few myself.

The irony of course is when Gibbs came back I stopped bashing $nyder, supporting St. Joe in making all the decisions! Anyway these other two guys have the job of building a lasting winner right now and we'll see how they do or how long they are able to try.


Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse


@ rmcazz

Free country dude. Hope you can suck it up and tolerate my post. I'm tolerating yours. Peace

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse


@Pepper5

I still think about Gibbs not being able to right the ship. I thought he was given full control of the team. Instead, he resigned. Maybe "$" had something to do with that decision, although he looked like a deer with headlights in his eyes when Gibbs resigned.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Unless and until Danny relinquishes control of the team, we can only expect more of the same.

We won't be deceived again.

Posted by: Vic1 | June 21, 2010 11:11 AM

Sorry, no sane owner will ever relinquish control of his/her business.

Posted by: abxinc | June 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

And you think by coming on here complaining every chance you get about "the team you've been following for over 200 years" you're making any difference in what Snyder does? You're a bafoon.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 10:36 AM

And yet you take the time to argue with him.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 21, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I didn't know the low hanging fruit would be in such demand today! Food for the troll no doubt.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 21, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The defense was overrated last year...

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse


Depends on what you mean by "overrated".

It wasn't a defense that could carry the team by itself, which is what it had to do.

It wasn't a defense that was going to score points and pitch shutouts every quarter, which is what it had to do.

At some point in the game - early on or later on when the game is still winnable - the offense has to show up and help carry some of the load.

Considering how infrequently that occurred, I have a hard time pointing any fingers at the defense - unless we're talking about Rogers and/or Landry.

People talk about carrying a lead into the 4th quarter, but you've got to take that in context - how much has the defense been on the field for the first 3 quarters? How many turnovers have they generated up until that point? How many turnovers did the offense/special teams cough up in the 4th quarter to put the D in a bad position? How many missed FGs have taken place?

Case in point - the Panthers game. The team took a lead into the 4th quarter. The Redskins lost. It was the offense/special team's fault. Period.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

WIDE RECEIVERS
Marty Booker / Atlanta / UFA
Mark Bradley / Tampa Bay / UFA
Laveranues Coles / Cincinnati / UFA
Kevin Curtis / Philadelphia / UFA
Vincent Jackson / San Diego / RFA
Terrell Owens / Buffalo / UFA
David Tyree / Baltimore / UFA
Javon Walker / Oakland / UFA
Kelley Washington / Baltimore / UFA

Posted by: skinfanman | June 21, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Curtis / Philadelphia / UFA


Posted by: skinfanman | June 21, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse


That's an interesting name.

Not sure where he is health-wise, but I'm sure he'll come cheap, already has rapport with McNabb and seems like a decent team/lockerroom guy.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

You're wrong on alot of levels. Examples of teams that went from losing records to winning records in 1 season recently include: Dolphins and Falcons. The reason? Sound coaching, better QB play, and the opponents not really knowing what to expect from new schemes. That ties into why the Skins COULD go into this season and surprise alot of teams including the Cowboys, especially in week 1. They won't have any idea what kind of scheme the Skins will be running. So the Skins can possibly pull out a win or very well get blown out. The good thing about this is the possibility of the unknown that will be facing Dallas.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

That's the protocol up here. Usually involves a lot of hyperbole and/or either direct or in-direct insults.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:01 PM

Good grief, that's the dumbest thing I've ever read. Literally, the dumbest thing I've ever read.

That it stood out in this blizzard of stupidity is indicative of just how dumb it was, Red. If I were in the DMV right now I would drive to your address and say this to your face, you big dummy.

...

(How was that?)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 21, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

p1,

Games you can fault the defense for losing the game:


@ Detroit
@ Philadelphia
vs. New Orleans


The Detroit game the defense made Matt Stafford look like John f-ing Elway and Kevin Smith look like the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders. They also gave up TEN third down conversions....

The Eagles game they just got their asses ran on. McCoy averaged over 4 a clip and Weaver went for an insane 7.2 a carry....


No need to rehash the N.O. game.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

And yet you take the time to argue with him.

Posted by: ged0386 | June 21, 2010 1:16 PM

Get a dictionary and look up the definition of argue. I stated my point to him and moved on.

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Robert Meachem taking back the interception from Kareem Moore made me crap my pantaloons and throw up on my shirt at the same time.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Nicely done. Very proud.


Like Dad watching his Son being born proud.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

iH8, on a very long list on "worst play of the season".

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse


This is better than watching the Redskins.
HA HA HA HA

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Q: I keep hearing that Jason Campbell will definitely be an upgrade for the Raiders over JaMarcus Russell, but no one wants to commit to saying that they can be better than a .500 team. Over the past few weeks, I have seen several 2009 Redskins game replays, and in addition to being able to feel pressure, I see Campbell making the types of passes that Russell has not ever been able to deliver. How is it possible that this big of an upgrade at the most critical position on the field doesn't translate into four wins?

Robert in Las Vegas

A: We're on the same page. I picked the Raiders to be one of my surprise teams because of the Campbell trade. He should be worth four to six more points a game for the Raiders' offense. I won't go overboard and think Campbell can get the Raiders to 20 points a game because I'm not sold yet they have the receivers to get to that level. Remember, Campbell averaged 16.6 points a game over the past two years running the Redskins' offense. But 16.6 points a game is more than four points a game better than what Raider fans have endured over the past few years.
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Who? The same Jason Campbell that is not good enough in Washington even as a back up?
Oh! I see, I forgot we have Rex Grossman,
I wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Posted by: abxinc | June 21, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

iH8, on a very long list on "worst play of the season".

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The 2009 Redskins have a highlight, or lowlight reel, that I think could even give the 2008 winless Lions a run for their money.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

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By Matt Mosley
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As promised, I spoke to several NFL talent evaluators about new Redskins offensive tackle Jammal Brown this morning. Everyone agrees that he's a talented player, but there's been concern about his durability going all the way back to his time at Oklahoma. He missed the '09 season for the Saints with hip and sports hernia injuries. Now he claims to be 100 percent healthy.

Here's what a veteran AFC scout had to say about Brown this morning via text:

Size and athleticism...good feet, can slide and has good range off edge, but not a power player. Average at point of attack bulk strength. More finesse in run game than push and drive. Gives the Redskins an athlete that can pass protect and move his feet with experience and solid stater ability. But he can be challenged with anchor and can have some trouble at times with stunts and twists in space.


And that last part was a common theme in the conversations I've had this morning. Brown's a good player, but when he has to make "sudden" decisions, he's prone to mistakes. As we talked about Sunday, though, he's definitely an upgrade for the Skins' offense line if he's healthy.

Posted by: abxinc | June 21, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

more Snyderrato specials not working out at WR...big surprise there...if Cerrato and Zorn were allowed to stay, only God knows how much further they would've dragged this team down with them.

if need be, get rid of the dead wood (Kelly and Thomas) and bring in all new players at WR.

Posted by: dc1020008 | June 21, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

abxinc, I think we all had a few too many laughs at the expense of the Raiduhs last season, especially in that ridiculous Skins victory over them, given that they still managed to finish with a better record than we did.

Yet another example of an unwillingness to accept that our beloved franchise was a laughingstock last season, and of the selective memory that is both endemic to hardcore fans and necessary to our emotional well-being.

The Raiders were terrible last year and they might be better this year. I love Jason Campbell and wish him the best, but I think it would be a huge surprise if he leads that team to the playoffs this season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 21, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

@Pepper5

I still think about Gibbs not being able to right the ship. I thought he was given full control of the team. Instead, he resigned. Maybe "$" had something to do with that decision, although he looked like a deer with headlights in his eyes when Gibbs resigned.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 1:13 PM
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In his day Gibbs was a great coach. Unfortunately, he was never the great authority on talent in the NFL and it showed when he took on the role of chief cook and bottle washer. Beathard and Gibbs were the greatest pairing of GM/coaches ever, but Gibbs-in-charge-of-everything was not a great idea. I have a lot more faith in a real GM like Bruce Allen paired with a real coach like Shanahan.

I think Allen knows how to manage the owner very well, too. Not only was this alumni day a great idea for the players, but it was a great day for the owner. Did you see Snyder beaming in some of those pictures? You can say what you want about Snyder but he loves the history with the Redskins and he is way beyond happy that Allen has restored the relationship with those former players. And remember, this is an intelligent businessman we are talking about - not some guy who won the team in the lottery. He has to realize that his involvement was perceived as a bad thing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse


This just in:

hessone has agreed to not use the "B" word or bad mouth D$. He was last seen near Redskins park in a vampire outfit and was quoted as saying, "I've forgiven D$ for the last 10 years of misery and promise to give D$ all my hard earned cash in belief he won't meddle in football affairs from here on out". Sources say hessone was found later the same day with a fifth of Jack Black and one of Tiger's white trophys clinging to his fruit which was picked from a passion tree.

Posted by: hessone | June 21, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Who? The same Jason Campbell that is not good enough in Washington even as a back up?
Oh! I see, I forgot we have Rex Grossman,
I wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Posted by: abxinc | June 21, 2010 1:50 PM
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If Jason Campbell takes the Raiders to the play offs I am going to start selling sweat shirts in hell.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Redskins will finish with a better record than the EAGLES.... BOOK IT!!!

Listen, the Eagles are the most over-rated team this year in the NFC BEAST & Kevin Kolb better be Aaron Rogers or they are done. You can't keep losing team leaders & expect to be better... sports don't work that way... they have lost McNabb, Westbrook, & Dawkins the last 2 years... Dawkins replacement is done for the year already & they have no proven RB except Mike Bell (wasn't impressed with McCoy last year)... The only advantage they have is their WR's, well if you can't run the ball effectively than your going to reduce the effect of your passing game.

McNabb will finally have the game pressure reduced because he will have a solid run game & now a solid O-line to give him time. The Redskins have weapons at every position on offense... you got 3 headed monster in the backfield & I'm not counting Willie Parker... Portis, LJ, & Torrain with possible addition of Westbrook... You have 2 playmaking TE's that can be utilized just as effectively as WR's which is why you don't trade them... Santana Moss & Devin Thomas are deep threats with McNabb @ QB... and finally you might have a serious X factor in Dennis Morris as your FB, look the dude runs a 4.4 - 4.6 with good hands & appears to be a monster blocker... we'll just have to see how he progresses. Finally, you have plenty of options at WR #3/4/5... I don't think we are giving the Skins offense enough credit from where we were a year ago.

The only issue is the Skins along with the NFC BEAST have a very difficult schedule, but all the tough games are at home... I got 10-6 & wild card berth, if we can split or better in the division. At least we'll be giving the Gints a new look this year & hopefully get back to challenging them, because they have had our number. I think the new look Redskins are going to have a huge advantage in the first half of the season ala Jim Zorn except with a lil bit of hot sauce.

Posted by: tony325

Wow. Just wow. You may want to put down the kool aid. You actually called Portis, LJ and Torain a 3 headed monster. It is more likely a 3 headed disaster. There are no weapons at wr. Moss is average at best these days. Do you really think McNabb is going into a better offensive situation in Washington than in Philly?
Philly has the better Oline, better Receivers and equally good TE.

Eagles will have a better defense. Andy Reid and the Eagles are not Al Davis and Oakland. I doubt they would have traded McNabb within the division if they did not think that Kolb was the equivalent or damn close. Or they traded him because he is so often injured they did not think he makes it through the season. They did not have to make the McNabb trade yet they did. I just don't see the Eagles falling apart. By the way Kolb did throw for over 300 yards in both of his starts last year. Small sample but he did look good.

I have the Skins splitting with Philly next year. Each team winning at home.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

if Cerrato and Zorn were allowed to stay, only God knows how much further they would've dragged this team down with them.

if need be, get rid of the dead wood (Kelly and Thomas) and bring in all new players at WR.

Posted by: dc1020008

so many were all over Zorn for not playing the young wr's. Maybe he knew they suck?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 21, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Posted by: abxinc | June 21, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, especially since he's got all that playoff experience with the Skins, has tremendous weapons at WR in Oakland, and has a truly awesome O line that will give him great protection. Playoffs? Why not the SuperBowl?

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

sometimes it doesnt matter what scheme is being used. most of the time its about desire and will to play above and beyond the call of duty. this is especialy evident in the trenches both d-line and o-line. what shanny has done is got rid of the players who didnt or lost it. he is not done yet making moves and he is now taking a wait and approach measure. we all know who AH is. lets not kepp beating the drum with this guy. we need some guys to get healthy quickly to mesh with the chemistry that is needed to compete. what is so dangerous about the cowgurlz is thaey go into the opener with cohesion. that alone makes us a major underdog. why didnt shanny bring in ne LB's, because the the leaders of that d is L-fleth,Orakpo. they already have that chemistry with the secondary an d-line. lets not talk about having the right players for 3-4. it all starts with attitude and keeping leaders that will lead by example instead by excuses. the most important aspect of this off seaon is instilling a new belief and ridding our team of the "loser" mentality. it will all take form on MNF. lets see what this team is made out of, even if its going to be in a losing cause. hope not. HTTR!!

Posted by: skinsfan4eva | June 21, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Posted by: abxinc | June 21, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If somehow a receiver can convert a 2yard pass into an 11 yard gain on 3rd and 11, everytime it's a 3rd down situation then sure.

IDK maybe Campbell will be league MVP this year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Curtis is a very interesting name. I suggested him as a possibility for the Skins about two months ago, and I still like him. Not as fast as he once was but he can still move, and he has good hands, not to mention a background in a West Coast style offense and a good history with Donovan. Surely worth a look at what would have to be a modest price.

Posted by: manlius1 | June 21, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

up at little late on this, but the Jamaal Brown pickup has amazing potential. McNabb behind a questionable OL would be a waste of his talent. Not to mention our run game behind a questionable OL would go nowhere.

To go from Stephon Heyer, a very weak link, to a Pro Bowl caliber RT? Very big deal. Plus, it appears Hicks and BMW will battle for RG, we've increased the odds we'll be OK there was well

The big difference comes from this. I see Trent Williams needing help at LT. He's facing a tough group and he'll need help from the TE's and RBs. Without Jamaal Brown, our RT would probably also need a bunch of help, and that'd be a major problem. Now, we have an RT can lock down his guy, one on one. No help necessary.

Its frees up a guy from blocking to being a receiver, with near zero risk to the QB.

As for the price tag, it seems very reasonable. Yeah, there's injury risk and also its possible that DC is a short term stop. But the upside to the deal is overwhelming. In terms of risk vs reward, huge reward, modest risk.

Great move, Shanahan.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

so many were all over Zorn for not playing the young wr's. Maybe he knew they suck?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | June 21, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he knew Fred Davis "suck" too.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Really?! All this going on and the best you can come up w/ is Leftover Soup>!??

Wow, you're hackneyed.... or maybee just troll. s'allguud.

I'm a little surprised we're putting the Saint at RG. Who's going to be starting LG?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Desperado said he supplied the coaches with the players they needed to make the playoffs. So, what's new at Redskin's Park?
QB
WRs up the ying yang,
Two O-tackles
Returners, kickers

Sorry, I know it's all old news, but I had to get it off my chest.

Posted by: MrChili | June 21, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

FYI all, Steve Smith just broke his arm playing flag football.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 21, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

FYI all, Steve Smith just broke his arm playing flag football.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 21, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

That's a serious game of flag football. Didn't he break his arm against the Giants the last game of the season?

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Q: I keep hearing that Jason Campbell will definitely be an upgrade for the Raiders over JaMarcus Russell, but no one wants to commit to saying that they can be better than a .500 team. Over the past few weeks, I have seen several 2009 Redskins game replays, and in addition to being able to feel pressure, I see Campbell making the types of passes that Russell has not ever been able to deliver. How is it possible that this big of an upgrade at the most critical position on the field doesn't translate into four wins?

Robert in Las Vegas

A: We're on the same page. I picked the Raiders to be one of my surprise teams because of the Campbell trade. He should be worth four to six more points a game for the Raiders' offense. I won't go overboard and think Campbell can get the Raiders to 20 points a game because I'm not sold yet they have the receivers to get to that level. Remember, Campbell averaged 16.6 points a game over the past two years running the Redskins' offense. But 16.6 points a game is more than four points a game better than what Raider fans have endured over the past few years.
By John Clayton
ESPN.com

Who? The same Jason Campbell that is not good enough in Washington even as a back up?
Oh! I see, I forgot we have Rex Grossman,
I wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Posted by: abxinc

Well ... the Raiders were a bad team that won 5 games -- all by 4 points or less. They could have easily been a 1 or 2 win team. Most of their losses were by double digits and only StL and DET had a worse point differential in 2009.

Jason Campbell could have a good year, the Raiders could be a lot better -- and still win 5 games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

FYI all, Steve Smith just broke his arm playing flag football.

Posted by: alex35332

Damn, what were they using as flags, bricks tied to their waists?

How you break an arm in a non tackle sport?

Posted by: Predator48 | June 21, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

As far as free agent wide receivers, I like Kevin Curtis, if he is all the way back from injury. I also think they could push for taller guys like Javon Walker or Kelly Washington. They are going to need some size if MK is not working out. Also, I don't know if he is worth the chance, but Reggie Williams is currently unemployed...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Really?! All this going on and the best you can come up w/ is Leftover Soup>!??

Wow, you're hackneyed.... or maybee just troll. s'allguud.

I'm a little surprised we're putting the Saint at RG. Who's going to be starting LG?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 21, 2010 2:23 PM
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I've read he is starting at RT. This would give us a line of T. Williams at LT, Dockery at LG, Rabach at C, BMW at RG, and Jamaal Brown at RT.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

One of my favorite stories of the year:

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2010/06/18/06

just love how this thing goes so perfectly awry, and in so many ways

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Stunned beyond belief.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 21, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

wonder how RI posters that brutally prosecuted Jason will fell if he actually takes the Raiders to the play offs.

Stunned beyond belief.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly

surprised to see Rufus T Firefly commenting on Campbell. Thought he'd comment on Fat Albert ... something like this ...

"Remember, you're fighting for Fat Albert's honour, which is probably more than he ever did."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else get the feeling that Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly or both may not be on the roster at the end of training camp?

Posted by: wjeremy26 | June 21, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody think that in years past (with Vinny), we could have acquired a pro bowl OT just by switching from the 4th to 6th rounds in the draft?

Its likely they would have made us give up a 2nd or 3rd straight up, and Vinny would have done it.

And then they would have signed Brown to a lucrative multi-year deal so that they wouldn't have given such a high pick for a one-year player. In so doing, they would have robbed him of a major incentive to have a good year this year.

I also agree that the previous regime did not value draft choices and had a reputation for not doing so. That led, I believe, to us giving up more in compensation than other teams would have for some of the players that we acquired.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | June 21, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

the news about steve smith breaking his arm ... man, seems every team in the NFC east is having issues with key guys. Fat Albert is our issue and philly already lost their FA DB for the season

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else get the feeling that Devin Thomas or Malcom Kelly or both may not be on the roster at the end of training camp?

Posted by: wjeremy26 | June 21, 2010 3:31 PM

I saw some discussion on this earlier today, and I think I would with the majority on this one. Out of these two I think Kelly would be most likely to go. Even if Devin struggles at WR, he can still add to the special teams unit. This will allow the coaches more time to coach Devin up. If Kelly doesn't get it, the team would be forced to make him inactive, and in a sense waste a roster spot.

Posted by: TWISI | June 21, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I found it totally ironic that Zorn wasn't too impressed with his receivers either. Before signing on with the Skins, Zorn obviously didn't grasp the level of incompetence of his player personnel people, as a lot of people who turned down the Skins before him obviously did. The "swinging gate play," now makes perfect sense to me as a pièce de résistance -- Zorn probably hoped that he would be put out of his misery! How can anyone expect the players to have respected him when the owner of the team and Director of Player Personnel so openly disrespected him. It will be interesting to see how Zorn's coaching career progresses outside of the insanity that was Skins Park and inside a professionally run organization.

Sans Cerato, the Skins are now on the path to sanity. As Bill Russell observed, no way would Cerato been able to conceive of a trade as complex as the one that went down this weekend, Vinny simply isn't smart enough. The hallmark of the Cerato era was supreme hubris -- players with flash and sizzle got paid, while the grunts who get it done in the trenches were unappreciated. Shanahan and Allen get it.

The message sent by Shanahan and Allen throughout this offseason to players, the media, and the fans has been consistent and clear. The Skins are under new management. Flash and sizzle better listen up. These guys mean business. Shanahan and Allen have an old-school, blue collar, no entitlement mentality. Flash and sizzle are no longer good enough. If Devin Thomas isn't willing to go "all in" and embody a warrior's mentality, Shanahan and Allen will find somebody else who wants it more than him. Personally, I hope Devin Thomas gets it. Devin Thomas has definitely shown flashes of what he is capable of if and when he gets it.

Posted by: dannykurland1 | June 21, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

the news about steve smith breaking his arm ... man, seems every team in the NFC east is having issues with key guys. Fat Albert is our issue and philly already lost their FA DB for the season

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I think it's the Panther's Steve Smith

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dudes - que pasa? Well, I am off to the 7th annual World Wide Farting Competition. It is being held this year in Fartburg Germany. I have been training pretty intensely recently at the local all-you-can-eat Mexican joint. The competition categories are:

1. Loudest Fart. Measured in decibels.

2. Longest Fart. Last year the winner's fart was an amazing 23 seconds long.

3. Stinkiest Fart. Hydrogen sulfide concentration measured in ppm by a mass spectrometer.

4. Musical Farting. A new competition added last year. One entrant was on his way to winning when he drew mud on one of the high notes at the end of the Star Spangled Banner.

The entrant who has the highest score for all four categories combined is crowned Fartman of the Year. Every year the sponsoring organization says that Howard Stern will crown the winner and every year he fails to show. Anyway, wish me luck. Cheers.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | June 21, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

FartezDudmore,
There was a time when I would have thought your post high humor, but ever since I made it out of the second grade, "fart jokes" just don't seem to have that charm. Good luck with puberty.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan and Allen form dream front office in D.C.
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Washington-Redskins-Daniel-Snyder-Mike-Shanahan-NFL

Posted by: ga8085 | June 21, 2010 4:11 PM |

Sleep well Danny, sleep well.

Posted by: TWISI | June 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

the news about steve smith breaking his arm ... man, seems every team in the NFC east is having issues with key guys. Fat Albert is our issue and philly already lost their FA DB for the season

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I think it's the Panther's Steve Smith

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 3:53 PM
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You could probably still make your point by substituting "Dominick Hixon" in where you say "Steve Smith".

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Right on cue, here's something from PFT on Snyder...listen up, hessone:

Daniel Snyder says he can now "sleep at night"
Posted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2010 3:51 PM ET
After more than a decade of owning the Redskins, Daniel Snyder seems to be finally figuring out the wisdom of stepping aside and letting the professionals do their job.

And he knows it.

Snyder recently told Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com that the owner of the Redskins can now "sleep at night," after hiring Mike Shanahan to coach the team and Bruce Allen to serve as its General Manager.

"They know what they want and are working hard to go get it," Snyder said. "I'm just enjoying myself. It's been a lot of fun for me. It's been effortless on my part. With Bruce and Mike, you have this coach and front office camaraderie that's really special. To see it is really wonderful for me."

Snyder feels that way even though the crown jewel of the 2009 free agency class has decided that he wants out. Snyder called defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth's absence "disappointing," but he has said nothing about what the team will do with the man who wants no part of the team's new 3-4 defense.

And that's good. Impulse control and/or a tendency to collect sycophants likely has hampered Snyder in the past. He now seems to be willing not only to stand back, but also to stay there.

Whether it continues if/when the losses pile up remains to be seen. But maybe the losses won't pile up -- and maybe the Redskins finally are on the right track.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I have the Skins splitting with Philly next year. Each team winning at home.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

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Yeah... Kolb threw for 300 + against NO & KC... one was a loss of 48-22 NO of course & the other was a blow out of 34-14 against KC... So that doesn't really tell much, chucking it every down in one game & the other against one of the worst teams last year.

I think you under-estimate LJ & Moss in an offensive scheme as potent as the Shanny's... Eddie Royal, how'd he do last year?? Our RB's are gonna run wild because our O-Line is gonna be very good & even could lose 1 guy & still have a decent replacement... That couldn't be said ever last year & Zorn's offense was HORRIBLE last year. He cost us games with his incompetence, Shanny's are worth wins by themselves. Defense is gonna create more turnovers & is very talented... You'll be surprised at how we score points a lot easier because our D created a scoring opportunity. I mean as simple as Blache's defense was, we always limited our opponents to decent point totals.

These guys have won SB's, both Shanny & Allen. Shanahan we all know was never the best GM & HE knows it because he WANTED Bruce Allen to be his GM & didn't let his ego get in the way because he knew he was better than him. Throw in $nyder'$ money & you got a very good team provided the 3rd party only signs the checks. I think this works for a while & we start making some playoff runs... Wade/Jerry, Andy Reid, Reese/Coughlin are no better than these guys. WE GOT THE A-TEAM.... HAHA

Posted by: tony325 | June 21, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Champ comes back to D.C. in 2011 to finish up his career? From PFT:

Champ Bailey's next contract won't be easy
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 21, 2010 12:25 PM ET
Restricted free agents and young stars get all the attention, but long-time veterans with contracts running out have also been squeezed this offseason.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post points out that Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey is under contract for only one more season, just like Elvis Dumervil. Bailey's situation hasn't received attention for a few reasons:

1. Bailey doesn't make any noise about it.

2. Dumervil is underpaid in 2010, while Bailey makes $9.5 million.

A potential Hall of Famer, Bailey wants to play five more years. His next contract will prove tricky. Klis makes the case for Bailey as best defensive player in Broncos history, but the cornerback's skills have declined.

It's never easy for a player and team to agree just how much that decline is worth.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Champ comes back to D.C. in 2011 to finish up his career?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 4:24 PM

Don't want him back. My .02.

Posted by: TWISI | June 21, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"fart jokes" just don't seem to have that charm."


Indeed.

"farts" have more power than charm, especially if the room is small and the windows painted shut.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I won't be mad if T.O. and Anthony Armstrong are the starting WR's opening day.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 21, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

A potential Hall of Famer, Bailey wants to play five more years. His next contract will prove tricky. Klis makes the case for Bailey as best defensive player in Broncos history, but the cornerback's skills have declined.

It's never easy for a player and team to agree just how much that decline is worth.


Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Why do these morons at PFT give their opinion? Bailey has not declined in skill. I bet he is still a top 5 corner, easy.

Would love to have him back for 2 years.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Amani Toomer retired, so its probably safe bringing Champ back...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

zeke, what issue afflicts a key guy in Dallas?

I know they've got their usual problem, coping with the tremendous and unasked-for pressure of being America's team, with all the attention and expectations that come with it. But I can't remember anything specific beyond that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

bean

"things are tightening up in the AL East....gonna be a fun summah..."


AL East Standings Update:


W L GB
New York 43 26 --

Tampa Bay 42 27 1

Boston 43 28 1

Toronto 38 32 4.5

Baltimore 19 50 24


The best race in MLB outside of the NL West.

The surging Red Sawx can pitch and score.

The Blue Jays hit home runs.

The Rays are a track team with outstanding pitching.

The Yanks, well, they're the lead dog that'll get caught sometime around the third week in September.

Remember: Beware the Rays.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

moe, makes for some exciting baseball.....who knew the Jays would be right there....shocked I am....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 21, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Moe, in your AL East race breakdown you forgot:

The Orioles have a stadium that's still pretty highly thought of.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 21, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

zeke, what issue afflicts a key guy in Dallas?

I know they've got their usual problem, coping with the tremendous and unasked-for pressure of being America's team, with all the attention and expectations that come with it. But I can't remember anything specific beyond that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Not sure yet, but I'm guessing it'll be romo dating the OctoMom -- romo will be fine until she mentions that she's pregnant, then romo's season is toast.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

bean

".....who knew the Jays would be right there....shocked I am...."

You have to think Roy "Doc" Halladay is wondering if he left the jays a year too soon.

His beef was that he was dominating while the jays franchise was tanking.

But if he was in the rotation they feature this season, home-run hitting Toronto is in 1st place with the Sawx/Yanks/Rays looking up.

To that end, I thank god he got traded to the city of Brotherly Love.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"A potential Hall of Famer, Bailey wants to play five more years."


There are several potential HOF or high quality secondary types in the league.

Consider:

Ed Reed

Darren Sharper

Ronde Barber

Charles Woodsen

Brain Dawkins

Champ Bailey

Asante Samuel

Troy Polamalu

The Madden GM selects to build his secondary around Ed Reed and Charles Woodsen: two game-changing players worth all the chatta and the money.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Eagles will have a better defense."

Y'know, I'm not sure about that. The Eagles underwent a major makeover in the offseason. First, they let 12 players from the '09 active roster depart -- most turnover in the NFL. They did pick up OLB Ernie Sims from the Lions for a 5th rounder, but Ernie only started 8 games for Detroit in '09, so his health is a question. They did have 10 draft choices, including a bunch in the first four rounds, but they weren't able to trade up for the player they really wanted, Eric Berry. Instead they got DE Brandon Graham, by trading their own first plus two 3rds to move up. Curiously, that trade contributed indirectly to the Cowboys' move up to pick WR Dez Bryant.

They're hoping Stewart Bradley comes back from injury to man the middle. Their area of need is CB, but they didn't draft one til the fourth, and they say they're going to try Macho Harris there, which is a risk (he's not fast). They're hoping rookie Nate Allen starts right away at safety. They surprised scouts by taking tweener DE/DT Daniel Te’o-Nesheim in the third round -- most had him pegged for the sixth.

And of course, as the Philly media never tires of complaining, they didn't do much for the o-line. They're really counting a lot on Stacy Andrews coming back after a missed season and on various young guys stepping up in place of Jamaal Jackson.

If you ask me, they traded McNabb because they thought that at 32, this was the last season they could get much in terms of draft choices for him.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Bailey has not declined in skill. I bet he is still a top 5 corner, easy.

Would love to have him back for 2 years.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 21, 2010 4:31 PM


Agreed...although, the list of elite corners isn't a long one. I've seen him get owned on a couple occasions (most notably TO on about a 90 yard juke-and-score a few years back) and he never really played in Denver the way he did his last couple years in Washington. That said, I think he's got enough left in the tank that at worst he'd be a great option at nickel corner for us (a la Darrell Green's last couple years). With Carlos on the way out, I'm hoping this comes to fruition...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The Chargers just cut NT Ian Scott, who started for Jamal Williams last year. Might be a name to watch for here in D.C. with AH presumably on the way out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This story that PFT was talking about is a good read...consider this quote:

“This is now going again in the right direction,” Snyder said. “I enjoyed myself with Joe Gibbs. I think the fans enjoyed his past three years. Now, we’re really able to pick it up with Mike and Bruce. It’s exciting again, but it’s going to take some time. We’re going to be patient and build something special here. I’m just enjoying the ride.”

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Washington-Redskins-Daniel-Snyder-Mike-Shanahan-NFL


God I hope so...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 21, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

In his day Gibbs was a great coach. Unfortunately, he was never the great authority on talent in the NFL and it showed when he took on the role of chief cook and bottle washer....

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 1:59 PM

If you check out what Broncos fans and analysts say about Shanny, you'll find pretty much the same description.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 21, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

p1,

Games you can fault the defense for losing the game:


@ Detroit
@ Philadelphia
vs. New Orleans


The Detroit game the defense made Matt Stafford look like John f-ing Elway and Kevin Smith look like the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders. They also gave up TEN third down conversions....

The Eagles game they just got their asses ran on. McCoy averaged over 4 a clip and Weaver went for an insane 7.2 a carry....


No need to rehash the N.O. game.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 21, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse


I'll give you those games off the bat. I won't even go back and look at stats/game-flow to try to argue with you.

But that still leaves 9 losses that the offense and/or special teams gets to hang around their neck.

Once again...makes it hard to throw stones at the defense last year.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand fair weather fans.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz
_____________________________________________

Bandwagon fans as well; oh, how I despise bandwagon fans, who have no guts to stick it out with your team in tough times.
No character; no guts.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | June 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

This just in off the wire.

The United Football League is expanding to Norfolk, Doug Williams to be the GM.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 21, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah... Kolb threw for 300 + against NO & KC... one was a loss of 48-22 NO of course & the other was a blow out of 34-14 against KC... So that doesn't really tell much, chucking it every down in one game & the other against one of the worst teams last year.

I think you under-estimate LJ & Moss in an offensive scheme as potent as the Shanny's... Eddie Royal, how'd he do last year?? Our RB's are gonna run wild because our O-Line is gonna be very good & even could lose 1 guy & still have a decent replacement... That couldn't be said ever last year & Zorn's offense was HORRIBLE last year. He cost us games with his incompetence, Shanny's are worth wins by themselves. Defense is gonna create more turnovers & is very talented... You'll be surprised at how we score points a lot easier because our D created a scoring opportunity. I mean as simple as Blache's defense was, we always limited our opponents to decent point totals.

These guys have won SB's, both Shanny & Allen. Shanahan we all know was never the best GM & HE knows it because he WANTED Bruce Allen to be his GM & didn't let his ego get in the way because he knew he was better than him. Throw in $nyder'$ money & you got a very good team provided the 3rd party only signs the checks. I think this works for a while & we start making some playoff runs... Wade/Jerry, Andy Reid, Reese/Coughlin are no better than these guys. WE GOT THE A-TEAM.... HAHA

Posted by: tony325

Those are some rose colored glasses you have on there Tony. For starters I pointed out it was only in 2 games. Kolb is going into his 4th year. The Eagles is front office and coaching staff is pretty solid. They made a decision to trade McNabb within the division and go with Kolb. They easily could have kept McNabb for 1 more season but chose to trade him.

While Allen and Shanahan are very good keep in mind they both were fired from their previous gigs. Shanahan's teams have been awful on defense. The stats on defenses led by Haslett are underwhelming. The defense in Pittsburgh was 2nd ranked the year before he took over and proceeded to drop to 6th and then 12th in the league.

How do you figure the defense is very talented? The Dline has 3 average players at best. 2 of them missed last season with injuries. The LBs are in a scheme in which the only one who it suits is Orakpo. Fletcher is fighting father time. Carter has only ever played DE and is supposed to transition to OLB this late in his career? Orakpo is the only stud on the defense. The secondary is average.

Since you are comparing Blatche's defense with Haslett you should do some research on Haslett's defensive rankings in the area of turnovers and sacks. They have been middle of the road. Haslett has been decidedly average as a DC.

Posted by: srobert1117 | June 21, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Why was the Jamaal Brown trade so critical? Because we need a RT that won't need help. Why is that so critical? Because our rookie LT is going to need lots of help.

Trent Williams f1rst 7 games ('cept week 3, all Pro Bowlers in '09)

1. demarcus ware
2. Mario Williams
3. ?Rams?
4. trent cole
5. Clay Matthews
6. Dwight Freeney
7. Julius Peppers

In his last 9 games, he still has cole, ware, osi (twice) and Jared Allen.

Give the kid some help!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting that documents seized by Canadian authorities from Dr. Galea's office include an "NFL Player's" folder.

*gulp*

And we thought our WR situation was hurting even with Santana...

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting that documents seized by Canadian authorities from Dr. Galea's office include an "NFL Player's" folder.

*gulp*

And we thought our WR situation was hurting even with Santana...

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

the first place I saw the Tana rumor also said Tom Brady was his client.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 21, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Why was the Jamaal Brown trade so critical? Because we need a RT that won't need help. Why is that so critical? Because our rookie LT is going to need lots of help.

Trent Williams f1rst 7 games ('cept week 3, all Pro Bowlers in '09)

1. demarcus ware
2. Mario Williams
3. ?Rams?
4. trent cole
5. Clay Matthews
6. Dwight Freeney
7. Julius Peppers

In his last 9 games, he still has cole, ware, osi (twice) and Jared Allen.

Give the kid some help!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse


Having Jamaal Brown properly "slots" out the tackles on our team.

Kind of like a pitching rotation that doesn't have a true #1...even if the other guys are alright, the team suffers over the course of the season b/c the rotation isn't slotted properly.

Between Brown, TW, Hicks and Heyer; we now have good depth and everyone can get used in a proper fashion according to their talent/ability.

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

'cmon now, lets have a little sympathy for hessone ... No-one knows better than us that we've all been scarred by Snyder & Ceratto's lost decade ... However SOME supposed "fans" have apparently become SO twisted by the trauma of the Snyder era that it seems they actually root for the 'Skins continued failure (hessone among others) so they can better cling to their new pastime - $nyder hating ... Don't get me wrong, I lay the blame for the last 10 years of futility solidly at Snyders feet & I'm not about to forgive&forget that puke or his toady Vinny for it any more than hessone, and I don't suggest anyone else should either ... But I, and most other posters I see here, are fortunate enough to still be able to recognise the positive direction the team seems to be taking (and not imagine evil $nyders hiding in every shaddow) ...

Posted by: RoidRage | June 21, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Give the kid some help!"


He'll get help.

Too, remember he's also going head to head with the lacks of Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter once training camps starts.

And I'm also of a mind that a little poison will make him stronger, when you consider that so far the word on him has been good, maybe he'll shut up those folks still shouting, "OKUNG!!!!!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

p1, mista -- agreed. You help TW.

Heck, Chris Samuels in his prime would have had his hands full vs that lineup.

What Jamaal Brown means is that we won't ALSO need the same sort of help at RT. And it also means we'll be able to choose between Hicks and BMW at RG, improving our odds of getting solid play at that position.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

About Ian Scott: drafted by the Bears in '03, had a few decent seasons as a starter, has struggled since. Didn't play in '07 after signing with the Eagles. Caught on with San Diego in '08 for four games, then started seven games last season. Not the picture of health.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Between Brown, TW, Hicks and Heyer; we now have good depth and everyone can get used in a proper fashion according to their talent/ability.Posted by: p1funk"

I think of the season as a war of attrition. You have more guys stay healthy, you do better as your opponents wear down. Last year the Skins gambled on Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas and lost big on both. The offense had no chance after that, not least because the rushing attack was geared to running over Samuels (unlike most teams who run over the guards).

A bad miscalculation. If Santana doesn't play, we could have a rough first four games in another area.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

For me, the bottom line on Jamaal Brown is this.

1. Our LT gets more consistent help, which is a big deal
2. RT has gone from weakness to strength
3. RG is the better of Hicks & BMW
4. If BMW beats out Hicks, we have still upgraded our OL depth

Bottom line Jamaal Brown makes us better at RT, LT and either RG or bench.

That's a lot of upside for adding one guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

However SOME supposed "fans" have apparently become SO twisted by the trauma of the Snyder era that it seems they actually root for the 'Skins continued failure (hessone among others) so they can better cling to their new pastime - $nyder hating ...

Posted by RoidRage @ 7:49pm

I agree with you on this. It's unfortunate.

I always ask the "$nyder" haters one question:

Who's to blame for our mediocrity 91-99?(before Snyder)

My opinion is simple, but unpopular: QB play. RoidRage, consider my pov. The three years our beloved Redskins made the playoffs under Snyder, Our QB's had terrific years. Think about it. We've consistently had top 10 defenses. We actually had a really good O-line during Gibbs tenure. We've consistently had a stellar running back. We've had HOF coaches.

However, We've struggled to find a consistent QB!

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"Austin getting a long look as WR, kick returner"

Receiving Stats:
career 109 catches 1192 yards 10.9 average 5 tds


Return Stats:
career 95 punt returns 942 yards 9.9 average

89 kick returns 2145 yards 24.1 average


I'm not an expect on how college return yards translate into the NFL, but I'd say the kid Austin might have a job to lose on day 1.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting that documents seized by Canadian authorities from Dr. Galea's office include an "NFL Player's" folder.

*gulp*

And we thought our WR situation was hurting even with Santana...

Posted by: p1funk | June 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

the first place I saw the Tana rumor also said Tom Brady was his client.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 21, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse


Oh you mean the guy who's knee recovery had a big setback, but then he was good to go?

Was Indianapolis on galea's victory tour? Peyton's knee had some recurring difficulties initially after surgery as i recall.

Best thing for Tana is if Brady/ Peyton IS involved... it increases the chance of "they only did miniscule amounts locally administered as part of a larger treatment regimen to facilitate healing rather than trying to gain competitive advantage" gaining some traction. 'Tana wont get a pass if he is the lone ranger.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 21, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Best thing for Tana is if Brady/ Peyton IS involved... it increases the chance of "they only did miniscule amounts locally administered as part of a larger treatment regimen to facilitate healing rather than trying to gain competitive advantage" gaining some traction. 'Tana wont get a pass if he is the lone ranger.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 21, 2010 9:09 PM


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If Brady's name is on any of those documents, you can bet Roger Goodell is burning the evidence as we speak...similar to the way he burned those Spy-Gate tapes.

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Silverback is gonna be fine. He'll get beat but they all do. Samuels regularly got beat on critical downs in the redzone. He turned out all right.

Posted by: coparker5 | June 21, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad we are keeping Silverback on the blind side!

His game tape and combine stats are eerily similar to Michael Oher. Including bench reps which seems to be a concern among some bloggers.

Good thing weight room strength and football field strength are two different things.

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"My opinion is simple, but unpopular: QB play."

+++++

Not disagreeing, but not sure who would have had any success during Spurrier's or Z-man's tenure.

Gotta wonder how ol' Norval would have fared if he had just gone to Trent Green earlier...

Posted by: edvar | June 21, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting that documents seized by Canadian authorities from Dr. Galea's office include an "NFL Player's" folder.

When are people going to learn? If you are doing something illegal or against the rules, you don't keep records of it. Why keep something that can be used as evidence against you. It's like the Max Factor heir guy who drugged women with GBH, videotaped himself raping them, and labeled the tapes with the name of the victim and GBH. Stupidity!

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 21, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

edvar,

Yea we let Trent get away. I would've wanted to keep Brad Johnson too. He's been a winner for every team he's played for!

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

moe, makes for some exciting baseball.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 21, 2010 4:48 PM |

Now there's an oxymoron.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | June 21, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young is back in action. Does this guy look in good control to you? One thing's for sure: he's no fighter.


http://www.totalprosports.com/2010/06/14/vince-young-involved-in-fight-at-dallas-strip-club-video/

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

"ESPN reporting that documents seized by Canadian authorities from Dr. Galea's office include an "NFL Player's" folder. When are people going to learn? If you are doing something illegal or against the rules, you don't keep records of it. Why keep something that can be used as evidence against you."
Posted by: kaasmaster"

You're kidding, right? You keep records as evidence in case the whole thing blows up and you get caught, in which case your rich and famous clients suddenly forget they ever met you and insist you made the whole thing up, out of jealousy, or spite, or whatever.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

FartezDudmore,

There was a time when I would have thought your post high humor, but ever since I made it out of the second grade, "fart jokes" just don't seem to have that charm. Good luck with puberty.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 21, 2010 4:13 PM |

Mr. Head - sneer if you must at the lowly fart joke but be advised that there are a lot of seven year olds with fat wallets in Vegas willing to pay $$$, after getting a few belts under their belts, to guffaw at the type of humor you clearly despise (dude - charm jokes are for pussycats).

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

"farts" have more power than charm, especially if the room is small and the windows painted shut.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 4:27 PM |

Dude - I think the proper mise en scene is the elevator. There are no windows and there is no exit. With a small room you have to paint the windows shut and lock the door for the analogy to work.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

edvar,

Yea we let Trent get away. I would've wanted to keep Brad Johnson too. He's been a winner for every team he's played for!

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 9:56 PM |

Was he a winner in Dallas? My recall is that things did not go too good when he became QB.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

You're kidding, right? You keep records as evidence in case the whole thing blows up and you get caught, in which case your rich and famous clients suddenly forget they ever met you and insist you made the whole thing up, out of jealousy, or spite, or whatever.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 10:07 PM


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I think kaasmaster is insinuating that without a document existing, he doesn't get caught in the first place.

I mean how exactly did Moss get implicated again?, unless Dr. Galea named names; In which case without proper evidence, how exactly is there a case at all?

Just like
If not for that camera, Michael Phelps would still be burnin' up trees. Hookah Bar stylee.


Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

You're kidding, right? You keep records as evidence in case the whole thing blows up and you get caught, in which case your rich and famous clients suddenly forget they ever met you and insist you made the whole thing up, out of jealousy, or spite, or whatever.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 21, 2010 10:07 PM |

If you use Black Ops code then you can track what you are doing for each of your clients and nobody but you knows who they are.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

You're kidding, right? You keep records as evidence in case the whole thing blows up and you get caught, in which case your rich and famous clients suddenly forget they ever met you and insist you made the whole thing up, out of jealousy, or spite, or whatever.

Posted by: Samson151
It's called giving the files to a third party, and not keeping them in your home or office.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 21, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Definitely NOT a winner in Dallas, Jake.

I ask for a little latitude when I say Brad was a winner. *chuckle*

He was ,what?, 39 or 40 years old for that 4 game stint in Dallas?

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Gotta wonder how ol' Norval would have fared if he had just gone to Trent Green earlier...

Posted by: edvar | June 21, 2010 9:42 PM |

Or how Norbit would have fared if he could have extricated himself from Rasputia earlier.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

He was ,what?, 39 or 40 years old for that 4 game stint in Dallas?

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 10:35 PM |

And how old was Favre last year when he had a career year?

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were talking about Brad Johnson?

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought we were talking about Brad Johnson?

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 10:45 PM |

We are but you were implying that when a QB reaches a certain age that you have to assume he can't perform anymore, or at least not very effectively.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 21, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

He was ,what?, 39 or 40 years old for that 4 game stint in Dallas?

Posted by: Vicc

And how old was Favre last year when he had a career year?

Posted by: SnakerJake
Brad Johnson was a good QB, but he was never as good as Favre at ANY age. The point is, by the time he got to Dallas he was past his prime.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 21, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

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It's more common. Are you seriously tryna compare Brad to Brett?

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Dont you see...GM Allen can trade away next year's 3rd and 4th round picks, because that is now the asking price for Fat Albert. DO you think there are any teams willing to trade their 3 and 4 in next years draft for AH? It may have to wait for a significant DL injury in some team's training camp...but it will happen. At this point wouldn't you be satisfied with a 3rd and 4th round pick for fat Al?

Posted by: oddjob1 | June 21, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I could see us getting a 3rd OR a 4th for Fat Albert, but not both. Teams will lowball us. They know that nothing good can come from the Skins keeping Fat A.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 21, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

If you check out what Broncos fans and analysts say about Shanny, you'll find pretty much the same description.

Posted by: Alan4 | June 21, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes this is true. Not to say he won't get it right this time with Allen, et. al. in the mix.

Posted by: Pepper5 | June 21, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Cowboys o line is mostly over 30...their getting old...I sure would love to have a happy Big Al to come play.....Oh well what do you do with a jacka$$.....

But either way....our d line will ball!

Posted by: leevi98 | June 21, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

no one is trading for Fat Albert until they see how fat he is. Even his current team (us) doesn't know what kind of shape he's in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 22, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth could have been the difference between playoffs and no playoffs ala Reggie White if he were the man Reggie White was despite his anti-gay position,but he is not.That removes a tremendous amount of cap room for years from guys like Mcintosh who deserves the money.This creates an environment of resentment between organization and players.I really appreciate the new administration so far,they are not stupid.They have signed solid value based contracts this offseason.Albeit weve given up a few picks and brought in aging veterans but do any of us want to endure being irrelevant and losing seasons for a couple of years.Besides,McNabb alone will have a huge impact on our offense.In fact he has been underrated his whole career and in my opinion will end his career with hall of fame credentials.Ilove this team.

Posted by: mark65 | June 22, 2010 3:13 AM | Report abuse

I mean Clinton Portis has never been in trouble with the law,and he tries to balance saving his body for actual games and preparing for them,maybe he's not perfect.But he is no Roethlisburger or pac man Adams.Our team is predominately good dudes I can root for these guys as people.Oops forgot about Larry Johnson he is a sketchy guy.I will root for willie to beat him out in training camp.

Posted by: mark65 | June 22, 2010 3:44 AM | Report abuse

There are several potential HOF or high quality secondary types in the league.

Consider:

Ed Reed

Darren Sharper

Ronde Barber

Charles Woodsen

Brain Dawkins

Champ Bailey

Asante Samuel

Troy Polamalu

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 21, 2010 5:51 PM |

Your listage does not inclusion the best DB there is right now, the name guy Nnamedi Asomugha. No other DB is even close to him performance-wise, although at $12+ M Al is overpaying him a bit. $12+ M is elite QB salary territory.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 22, 2010 4:15 AM | Report abuse

no one is trading for Fat Albert until they see how fat he is. Even his current team (us) doesn't know what kind of shape he's in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 22, 2010 1:05 AM |

Sort of like trying to figure out how bad the oil spill is at this point. Unlike the spill though, at some point there will be measurement.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 22, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson was a good QB, but he was never as good as Favre at ANY age. The point is, by the time he got to Dallas he was past his prime.

Posted by: kaasmaster | June 21, 2010 10:54 PM |

Not even sure that you could call him "good". If you look him up on pro-football-reference.com, the stat site, the only truly "good" QB they cite as having a career of "similar quality and shape" is Phil Simms. The other QBs they cite are journeymen like Jim Plunkett, Jim Hart, Archie Manning, Jim Harbaugh, etc.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 22, 2010 4:40 AM | Report abuse

I can't stand fair weather fans.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz

But if for whatever reason there is no A/C then hot weather fans really hit the spot.

Posted by: SnakerJake | June 22, 2010 4:46 AM | Report abuse

I think Ray Lewis is a preening idiot, but he's on the money about AH with this:


"The response is, whatever you want me to do coach, let's get it done. If you want to switch the defense because you think it'll work better in a 3-4 -- I played in a 4-3 my whole life, but we switched up to a 3-4. 'Ok, Ray, you're gonna have to take on more guards, you're gonna have to do this and that.'

"Ok, coach, I'll adjust. Do I like it? Hmm, nah. But I'll adjust, so let's do it, you know what I'm saying? And through that process, I won the defensive player of the year in the 4-3 in 2000, and in 2003 I came back and won the defensive player of the year in the 3-4. So it don't matter. Bottom line. Bottom line. Football is football, man,...

"No matter what the scheme is, y'all work together as businessmen to get it done. Because that's ultimately what it is, it's a business, so let's come to work and let's work together to figure this out. Ok, what best fits you? Ok, well, let's go to this sometimes, and then sometimes you don't like it, then we'll switch back to a 4-3, so play with that. But all of this? No, too much. Too much."


If only he actually ended there...he's gotta be the most long-winded player in NFL history...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

My opinion is simple, but unpopular: QB play. RoidRage, consider my pov. The three years our beloved Redskins made the playoffs under Snyder, Our QB's had terrific years. Think about it. We've consistently had top 10 defenses. We actually had a really good O-line during Gibbs tenure. We've consistently had a stellar running back. We've had HOF coaches.

However, We've struggled to find a consistent QB!

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 8:57 PM


I used to despise this kind of thinking--that one player is the difference between winning and losing--but I'm starting to see that to be the case in today's NFL. If you look around the league, the teams with QBs are in contention and the ones without QBs struggle. There are obvious exceptions to the rule, but not many. For every Ravens team that wins it all with a Trent Dilfer, there's a Colts team with Peyton Manning, a Pats team with Brady, and Saints team with Brees.

Consider the latter: the Saints have been a joke for most of their existence. They bring in a solid coach, they get Drew Brees and 3 years later they're hoisting a Lombardi. Hardly coincidence.

It remains to be seen if McNabb is that guy for us. He hadn't been in Philly, but pairing him with Mike Shanahan here makes me think he is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2010 5:51 AM | Report abuse

My opinion is simple, but unpopular: QB play. RoidRage, consider my pov. The three years our beloved Redskins made the playoffs under Snyder, Our QB's had terrific years. Think about it. We've consistently had top 10 defenses. We actually had a really good O-line during Gibbs tenure. We've consistently had a stellar running back. We've had HOF coaches.

However, We've struggled to find a consistent QB!

Posted by: Vicc | June 21, 2010 8:57 PM


I used to despise this kind of thinking--that one player is the difference between winning and losing--but I'm starting to see that to be the case in today's NFL. If you look around the league, the teams with QBs are in contention and the ones without QBs struggle. There are obvious exceptions to the rule, but not many. For every Ravens team that wins it all with a Trent Dilfer, there's a Colts team with Peyton Manning, a Pats team with Brady, and Saints team with Brees.

Consider the latter: the Saints have been a joke for most of their existence. They bring in a solid coach, they get Drew Brees and 3 years later they're hoisting a Lombardi. Hardly coincidence.

It remains to be seen if McNabb is that guy for us. He hadn't been in Philly, but pairing him with Mike Shanahan here makes me think he is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 22, 2010 5:51 AM
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The fact that either one of you thought we had a REALLY good Offensive Line during Gibbs II is disturbing.

I think you have forgotten what a REALLY good Offensive Live looks like.

BTW: The Saints won the SB because they are stacked top to bottom with talent not just at QB. Great OL, Great D (our old D coach Greg Williams who got us those top-10 rankings) including Darren Sharper, Great RBs of which Reggie Bush is 2nd fiddle, Great WRs.

A coach and a QB sounds like Shula and Marino. I'll take a pass on that scenario. We've won 3 super bowls and been to 5 and none of our QBs are in the HoF.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | June 22, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

First of all....Danny spent a great deal of money. This is false....he has one of the most profitable franchises in the NFL.

This equals that he has made all of his investment back and then some. This is the deffinition of profitable.

Second....Many of the key production positions have been upgraded with an upgrade in coaching.

This will equal an improved record.

Third........Dallas "kiss my gtits"

Posted by: changer2 | June 26, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

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