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Colt Brennan working out with McNabb, receivers

Hope you caught this morning's story on Donovan McNabb's "Hell Week," a grueling series of workouts under a hot Arizona sun that help the quarterback and teammates prepare for training camp.

Santana Moss, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly are among the Redskins expected to begin working out with McNabb Monday morning in Phoenix.

There's another player who will be a constant presence this week with McNabb and the other offensive specialists: quarterback Colt Brennan. Brennan began working out with Brett Fischer of Fischer Sports back in January, several weeks before he and McNabb would share the same locker room at Redskins Park.

"The first day he was here, he came in wearing sandals. He forgot his sneakers," Fischer said with a chuckle. "He didn't even know Donovan then. It was one of Donovan's first days back after the season. I asked Donovan, 'Do you have an extra pair of shoes?' He said, 'Of course.' He went and got them from the back of his car. Little did any of us know they'd be teammates later."

Brennan and McNabb have been working out together at Fischer Sports, studying the playbook, going through the same sets of drills. And that will continue this week, when some of their other teammates arrive for "Hell Week."

This is Brennan's first offseason working out with Fischer. Early in the process, Brennan felt some discomfort in his right knee and had minor arthroscopic surgery to clean up his meniscus. That means that entering just his third year in the league, Brennan has now had scopes on his right hip, left hip, right knee and left knee.

Despite all the work, we're hearing that Brennan feels as healthy as he has since college, and Fischer reports that the quarterback's recent workouts show no signs of pain or injury.

"He's really working hard to take his game to the next level," Fischer said. "He looks great.

By Rick Maese  |  July 19, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  offseason workouts  
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Posted by: sancheez19 | July 19, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

Thats the thing about injury prone players when they reach the NFL. They finally have access to top quality care, so while in the past where Brennan might have played through the pain in college, he can now simply go under the knife for preventative maintenance.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 19, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Good to hear...Brennan stepping up into that backup QB role only helps. Here's hoping his game catches up to his swagger...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

redskins should take a look at OG SHAWN ANDREWS

Posted by: robertg238 | July 19, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

redskins should take a look at OG SHAWN ANDREWS

Posted by: robertg238 | July 19, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

redskins should take a look at OG SHAWN ANDREWS

Posted by: robertg238 | July 19, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Dude, are you Andrews' agent or something? There's a reason this guy isn't getting any attention from NFL teams...he's played exactly TWO games in the last two years and hasn't played a full season since 2006. Plus he's a 335 pound mauler that probably doesn't fit our zone blocking scheme.

We're trying to cycle these big mauler types OFF our roster, not add more. Thanks, but no thanks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

"He's (C Brennan) really working hard to take his game to the next level," Fischer said. "He looks great."


The '...next level..."?

What's the next level for an oft-injured or operated on NFL 3rd stringer?:

Unemployment, that's what.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Moe, you've gotta admit that if Colt demonstrates himself to be even a competent NFL backup, he's a better option than Rex f-ing Grossman. I mean, consistently getting the center snap makes him a better option than Rex, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

love to hear about this team trip to 'Zona. DM5 is finally bringing some leadership to DC. i say: the more, the merrier. i wish the whole offense would join him.

i posted a pretty awesome photo on my blog showing mcnabb playing VARSITY BASKETBALL for syracuse. he was a reserve guard for jim boeheim and actually went to a national title game.

here's a link:

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/761809476/mcnabb-basketball

Posted by: bcarothers | July 19, 2010 7:32 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"...Brennan stepping up into that backup QB role only helps. Here's hoping his game catches up to his swagger..."

If the choice is between the undrafted D Clark and Brennan, I'm taking Clark with the hope he can became a 'wildcat' type q-back and solid special teamer like B Smith of the Jets.

Depth players should do more than hold a clipboard or workout with the starter during the offseason.

I'd say carrying a 3rd string, 3rd year quarterback who's just that is a waste of a roster spot.

And that spot should go to a guy who can do a couple of things well, even if he's not a starter.

Colt had better learn to cover punts or else, if I'm coaching, he's gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

redskins should take a look at OG SHAWN ANDREWS

Posted by: robertg238

I think its its odd that not only have the redskins have not brought in Andrews by now, but that no one else has either.

If they're smart, and they seem to be, they'll wait 'til half way through training camps for some decent vets to get cut, and find the type of guard they want.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 19, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Good point on DClark, Moe...forgot he was on the roster.

Here's hoping you're right about him and nobody else makes that same mistake this preseason.

Truth be told, I've never been much of a Colt fan. I just like his mobility and playmaking ability...two things that Rex Grossman has never been accused of possessing. It's great that he knows the offense and all, but I don't think anyone (the Redskins coaches included) would be sleeping very well leading up to any game Rex is expected to start.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

brown

Rex knows the offense and has been a starter, albeit a suck-azzed one at that.

We can't even say that about Colt.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Predator, the reason Andrews isn't getting picked up is simple...he's played exactly TWO games in the last two years and hasn't played a full season since 2006. Plus I seem to recall there being some question as to whether or not he even wanted to play anymore. He's useless to us since he's a 335 pound mauler that probably doesn't fit our zone blocking scheme.

Hell, I'd rather see us bring Randy Thomas back at his old salary than to see the Skins' brass wasting time kicking the tires on Andrews...I mean, how many former Eagles do you want here?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

For those of you whose work network is youtube friendly, heres a vid documenting Mcnabb's hell week from '07.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efup1GVjXlA&feature=channel

Posted by: Predator48 | July 19, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya Moe. I still wake up with cold sweats at the mere thought of Rex starting even one game here...

I'm still crossing my fingers that the Vikings cut Sage Rosenfels. Now THAT'S a backup QB I can rest easy about...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I mean, how many former Eagles do you want here?


Posted by: brownwood26

I couldn't care less how many players are brought in from division rivals.


If they make the team better, then why not?


I like to have homegrown players on the roster an all, but this ain't MLB. It rarely works that way, except for a few teams (Patriots, Colts, Steelers) and even the Patriots have been known to bring in a guy from division rivals.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

brown

"I'm still crossing my fingers that the Vikings cut Sage Rosenfels. Now THAT'S a backup QB I can rest easy about..."


Sage Rosenfels is this generation's Brad Johnson.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Predator48 | July 19, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Red...hell, I'm the guy who's made it clear that he wants Westbrook and TO here in 2010. I just reject the notion that because the guy was a key player on the Eagles 4 years ago that he's gotta be good. That seemed to be the mindset of whomever keeps tossing Andrews' name out on the blog. Dude has played 2 games in 2 years...there's NOTHING that could possibly lead anyone to believe the guy would be of any help to us.

I have a gut feeling a nice guard prospect will hit the market this offseason and we'll be in prime position to scoop him up. Wasting a roster spot on Andrews helps nothing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Sage Rosenfels is this generation's Brad Johnson.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 8:06 AM


If that's true, I want Sage here even more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

If you guys get a chance check out Norman Chad's article today.

Funny stuff in there. The title brought me back to lh's rant last week.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, brown, I also wouldn't mind seeing Westbrook here and to a lesser extent T.O. because both would fill a need.

As far as Andrews, at one point he would've been the ideal Guard for the power run game, but with Shanahan here and the fineness zone blocking run scheme that he brings, Andrews doesn't fit the bill.


If it were up to me, I'd go with the mauling type over the fineness type.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

good piece on mcnabb and the receivers going out to AZ.....andrews, nah, dudes made of bone-china....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 19, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

"If it were up to me, I'd go with the mauling type over the fineness type."

Agreed.

And seeing how he'd be a fill-in fighting for just a spot behind A Hicks at right guard, it's an investment where you can't lose.

Right now, W Montgomery, C Rhinehart, Cook, and E Williams--all unproven players--are slotted behind Hicks.

I'd like to see a vet like Andrews in there some place.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

If it were up to me, I'd go with the mauling type over the fineness type.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:18 AM


Me too...especially since that's what's already here. But if we have to go WCO, the Shanahan style of offense is the way to go, since it's much more run-oriented than some of the other branches of the West Coast tree.

Love that McNabb workout video. Looks like that guy really gets after it...glad he'll also be putting DT's ass thru the ringer this week.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

**NBA Post**

It's only NBA summer league, but it looks like some crow feasting may be in order for me.

Wall: 23 and 8
Turner: 9 ppg on 33% shooting

Wizards more than likely won't win no more than 30-35 games (if Arenas is here, if not that win total may drop) but they'll still be a fun team to watch.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'd rather see Erin Andrews at RG than Shawn. At least she'd give us more than two games...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

So many surgies and hasn't even touched the field? Man....practice squad must be hard work....

Posted by: hbu_dog | July 19, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

It's only NBA summer league, but it looks like some crow feasting may be in order for me.

Wall: 23 and 8
Turner: 9 ppg on 33% shooting

Wizards more than likely won't win no more than 30-35 games (if Arenas is here, if not that win total may drop) but they'll still be a fun team to watch.

Posted by: RedDMV

Red, the real question coming from the summer league is can Javale McGee be the same stud in the winter as he was in July. I think Wall is as good as advertised. I just have to keep reminding myself, its only summer league man!

Posted by: Predator48 | July 19, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Right now, W Montgomery, C Rhinehart, Cook, and E Williams--all unproven players--are slotted behind Hicks.

I'd like to see a vet like Andrews in there some place.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Damn, when you think about it that way you might be right. Maybe Andrews isn't such a bad idea for depth purposes. Still wouldn't fit the scheme, but you have a bunch of unknowns behind Hicks.


Come to think of it, Mike Williams was pretty much slotted for the starting RG spot, right? How would he fit in the scheme is another question as well.

They need Randy Thomas -- 2005 Randy Thomas. Dude was the ish at pull blocking.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

So many surgies and hasn't even touched the field? Man....practice squad must be hard work....

Posted by: hbu_dog | July 19, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I think getting driven into the ground for 3 hours by the Georgia Bulldogs defense was hard work. I honestly believe that's what screwed up his body. We basically gave a garbage draft pick for him so what's it hurting to just let him hang around and see if he can play? He's a third stringer. It's not like he's expected to set the world on fire. This is exactly the type of player you want as a third stringer.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | July 19, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

They need Randy Thomas -- 2005 Randy Thomas. Dude was the ish at pull blocking.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:42 AM


That's why I'd much rather see them bring him back at a lower price than to wade in the Shawn Andrews waters...I mean, why get a guy who is hurt all the time and DOESN'T fit the system when you could get a guy who's hurt all the time and DOES fit the system?

And I can't emphasize enough: Andrews played 2 games in the last 2 years. We've already given Mike Williams his second chance...how many reclamation projects do we want here?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Pred48, if McGee would get into his head that he's a FIVE and not a TWO or THREE, I'd be dumb optimistic about his potential.

Why the hell he's dribbling the ball up-court is unknown to me. I wouldn't mind them bringing in Kevin McHale to help him with his footwork in the post.

Glad to see that he's been in the weight room. Him and Blatche need to put in at least 2-3 hours in the weight room 4 days out of the week. Both need to also work on conditioning.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Mike Williams was getting his conditioning to where it needed to be and seemed to impress the new regime a bit based on the quotes I saw early on from Shanny. I wonder if he has a future here at this point tho.

Posted by: scottmando | July 19, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow Colt's had four lower body surgeries in three years and hasn't even thrown a regular season pass in the NFL. Not a god sign. I wish him the best, but I don't have much faith in a player who can't stay healthy, who in his third season forgets to bring sneakers to a training session, and who regressed in play from year 1 to year 2. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

Posted by: TWISI | July 19, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

"why get a guy who is hurt all the time and DOESN'T fit the system when you could get a guy who's hurt all the time and DOES fit the system?" - brown26


LOL! Makes sense too... I guess I don't care either way.


scott, Williams conditioning may have been excellent, but that doesn't mean that he possessed the speed and quickness to get on the edges when pulling. I don't know, if Shanahan says he was good, then I guess that's the way it is.


"Momma name 'em Clay, I'ma call 'em Clay."

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Truth be told, I've never been much of a Colt fan. I just like his mobility and playmaking ability..

Follow your prior, better remain "not" much of a Colt fan, no way in hell should you associate Colt with play making ability, probably sounds better if you have used adjectives like, interception machine etc. Better pray hard for McNabb, because if he goes down, that actually ends the 2010 season. The best back up we could have had is now with the Raiders.

Posted by: abxinc | July 19, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Red, I was pulling for Mike Williams and I thought that this was going to be a redemption year for him. I was just wondering if he will be back after he gets healthy. Hard to say I guess...

Posted by: scottmando | July 19, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

"Come to think of it, Mike Williams was pretty much slotted for the starting RG spot, right?"

Mike Williams is a great story, but no, I think Hicks would have won the job in camp. He's actually a little older than Mike, but has a much better record of staying healthy during the season. Mike was active for only 8 games last year, partly because of conditioning, but also because he picks up small injuries along the way. His previous two seasons in the NFL, with Buffalo and Jacksonville, he was active for only 9 games total.

IMO, had Mike not gotten the blood clots, he would have spent another season as a spot starter in hopes he'd demonstrate the durability to be a regular in the league.

So what the Skins lost when Williams went down was a two position backup. That's what we have to replace. The club also needs to figure out which of several candidates will be the primary backup at center/guard.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Great to see Colt is a part of the pre-camp work also ... its been a while since McNabb played every down in a season.

As for OG - if we're going for one I'd like to see Snyder finally use his pocketbook for someone worth it and try and steal Logan Mankins away from the Patriots and sign him to the long term deal they won't give him.

Posted by: mac2j | July 19, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

No one is getting long term deals.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Colt won't be a better fit in Shanahan's offense than in Zorn's. For all his many flaws, Brennan is a creative playmaker. He's not Jake Plummer but has some comparable traits -- quick throws, mobility outside the pocket, quick decisions. His flaws -- the 3/4 release, the average arm -- aren't as big in a backup role.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

mac, what would that cost the team, at least a first round pick right??

yeah, thats called pulling a 'cerrato' don't we want to try and move away from that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 19, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia is still available, I think...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else find it interesting that neither of our 2 TE's are going to Hell week?

I mean I trust Fred and Chris to be McNabb's big safety valves on the offense, so you would hope that they are in sync.

As for Colt, if he can get a scope on his left and right ankles we should be set. Seriously thats a lot of damage on a toy in its original packaging.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 19, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone else find it interesting that neither of our 2 TE's are going to Hell week?"

Actually, I saw Fred Davis on one of the Redskins show yesterday. And, he stated that he would be out there with DMAC training this week.

Posted by: dbailey211 | July 19, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about Colley or Davis one bit. Davis is young, but was more productive than all three of our main wideouts. Cooley is proven...these guys just need training camp reps and they'll be money. I think hell week has the necessary attendance of moss, DT, MK, and CB. Go skins!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | July 19, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


brown

Rex knows the offense and has been a starter, albeit a suck-azzed one at that.

We can't even say that about Colt.

Posted by: MistaMoe

I second that Moe. What has Colt done, with the exception of playing in preseason games? And I never thought we should had picked up Grossman. Mr Optimistic hasn't said anything good about Grossman, now has he?

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I noticed that Alex...but I wouldn't read too much into that. There'll be plenty of work for them come training camp.

Red, I'd rather go with Sage than Garcia. Better prospects for the long term as a backup and Sage has played in this offense from his days in Houston.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I think hell week has the necessary attendance of moss, DT, MK, and CB. Go skins!

Posted by: BurgwithaU | July 19, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

I think that if we were playing for the ACC Championship they would be the necessary participants.. However, Moss is practically finished, DT and MK are still trying to secure starting positions and CB is...well...CB.

Posted by: scottmando | July 19, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

As a matter of fact - James Thrash would STILL challenge these guys for starting #2 or #3 WR

Posted by: scottmando | July 19, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I am not reading into it per say, just saying it per interest.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 19, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

If Donovan gets injured, I would rather see Colt play than Rex.

Of course if Donovan gets injured I might have a heart attack.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

iH8, get the EKG now.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse


Of course if Donovan gets injured I might have a heart attack.

Posted by: iH8dallas

I hope you keep a defibrillator close by you during the games!

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

"After a rest, McNabb summons the players to an area high school field in the late afternoon, where they work on routes. They also will assemble for seven-on-seven drills, against other athletes trained by Fischer, including New York Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis"

Thats what I like to hear. These guys going up against one of the best in the game......iron sharpens iron....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 19, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I really hope that DT or MK have a breakout year this year. We need for them to be major contributors to spread the field a little bit. I don't think Moss has much left in the tank.

Posted by: scottmando | July 19, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

The Redskins, during the strike years, would practice together without the coaching staff at a high school field. It builds great team unity, not to mention all the reps. You gotta like this approach, especially with your QB leading the way.

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Gentlemen: I fully expect DMac to miss 1-3 games this season with some injury.

As long it's not some season ending thing I will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I can't claim to know what Moss has left in the tank. But his hands have never been "amazing", once his speed goes his value goes.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 19, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I can't claim to know what Moss has left in the tank. But his hands have never been "amazing", once his speed goes his value goes.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 19, 2010 9:55 AM |

AGREED

Posted by: scottmando | July 19, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

brown, Rosenfels is a better option than Garcia but Rosenfels is under contract with the Vikes. Would you want to give up picks or players to get him? I don't think I would.


Todd Collins is still out there too....

Don't laugh.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Rosenfels?! (shudder)... brings back memories of the ol' ball coach. No thanks!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I can't claim to know what Moss has left in the tank. But his hands have never been "amazing", once his speed goes his value goes.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 19, 2010 9:55 AM |

I love Santana but let's be real, dude has been high on the "drops" list the last couple of years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 19, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


I love Santana but let's be real, dude has been high on the "drops" list the last couple of years.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed! And I know I'll get yelled at, but so has Cooley. And both have proven, along with their ability to catch balls, they can fumble at crucial times in games. Again, we'll see soon enough.

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If Donovan gets injured, I would rather see Colt play than Rex.

Of course if Donovan gets injured I might have a heart attack.

Gentlemen: I fully expect DMac to miss 1-3 games this season with some injury.

As long it's not some season ending thing I will be fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I cannot fathom the amount of doctors and surgeons it would take to get Colt through 1-3 NFL football games. Hopefully they can continue to rebuild him so his cult will live on forever.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 19, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

If McNabb goes down for any games, our undefeated/Super Bowl season goes away :)

Posted by: fearturtle44 | July 19, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Saw Clark's name mentioned earlier...I thought Bartel was the only other QB after Dmac, Rex, Colt.

Did we sign Clark or just bring him in for a workout?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

huhdowha?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

My buddy was a Bears fan so I had to watch a lot of Rex. I live in Houston so I saw a lot of Sage. But i grew up in NoVA so remember Sage getting picked by the Skins.... Rex is a freakin DISASTER! I would rather see just about anyone play behind center than Rex Grossman. Sage is a great talent.... Shame we lost that great QB draft pick to NO last year .....

Posted by: oldnova | July 19, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Colt showed up on the first day wearing sandals and didn't have any shoes?


Way to show up ready. I hope he's a little more prepared than that if a QB goes down in a close game and he's got less than a minute to get his game on and go in there...

Posted by: edvar | July 19, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

***NBA Post***

"Wizards more than likely won't win no more than 30-35 games (if Arenas is here, if not that win total may drop) but they'll still be a fun team to watch.

Posted by: RedDMV"

With Arenas and Blatche healthy, this team will fight for the playoffs this year. John Wall showed his array of abilities over the past week, and this man is for real.

And more than anything else, he's showed his leadership and maturity -- something that's been lacking from this team's "go-to" player for years.

To quote Kevin Arnovitz from ESPN, Wall is:

Derrick Rose with defense and charisma;

Chris Paul with better size;

Rajon Rondo with more upside on his jumpshot.

I'm legitimately excited for this season. I could care less how many games they win this year due to the youth of the team, but I honestly believe this team is poised for a leap in year one of the John Wall era, similar to that of the Chicago Bulls during Rose's first season.

And if McGee continues to build on his summer league as well -- watch out. A starting lineup of Wall, Arenas, ?, Blatche, and McGee has scary upside (doesn't really matter who the SF is -- maybe Thornton or Cartier Martin?).

Count me as one that is really excited for that season to start. It feels good to have something legitimate to look forward to in multiple DC sports at the same time.

Posted by: psps23 | July 19, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

It's supposed to be flirting with 100 degrees here in NC all this week.

The humidity and dew point is what get's you though.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Red, Rosenfels has been rumored to be the odd man out in Minny all off-season. Presuming Favre is coming back, he's the obvious starter. TJack is the obvious backup and right now they're in LOVE with this kid Joe Webb, to the point that he could be competing for that #2 spot and is viewed as a possible "QB of the future" once Favre is gone. So basically, the only way Sage stays in Minny is if Favre retires or Webb holds out.

So I doubt we'll trade for Sage...and I doubt we'll have to. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't make a run at Sage if/when he gets cut.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse


@psps23

Who cares about the NBA on an NFL board. Go hang out with Wilbon.

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

psps, that dude Martin has some game. But would like to see Thornton lock up the 3 spot. If McGee can average 13 and 8, be a force in the paint, and play disciplined defense, I'd be a happy man.


I like how Wall wants to get assist. Dare I say the Wizards have their first legit PG since Rod Strickland?

How cool would it be to have both the 'Skins and Wizards relevant in December?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

? = Josh Howard

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

1. Wall
2. Gilbert
3. Howard
4. Blatche
5. McGee

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I would love to se a complete list of who's attending "Hell Week". All we know for sure is McNabb, Brennan, Moss, Thomas, and Kelly. dbailey211 said he saw somewhere that Davis was going to attend. Who else? Any of our rookie WR's like Austin, Banks, or Hodge? Any of the RB's or FB's? (Although LJ better be finnishing up his community service and anger management.) C'mon WaPo, Pay some freelance AZ reporter to check on things out there and give us a report.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 19, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Bottomline Shanahan didn't draft a QB this year.. and there were some good ones left even late like Tony Pike. Tells me they must have liked something about Colt. Thing is McNabb is on the downside of career and hasn't played all 16 games in years. Rex is here just because he knows the system. This is Colt's really last chance.. he has a shot of passing Rex but even if he is 3rd string if he can impress Shanahan enough Mike might not draft a QB of the future early in next years draft. It all comes down to training camp.. Colt is an unknown quality.. time to find out.

Posted by: sovine08 | July 19, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

candidates will be the primary backup at center/guard.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

What about bringing in Mawae? He is old, but made the pro bowl last year and would be a great stop gap until we can draft some young lineman........

Posted by: rupertpupkin | July 19, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse


So I doubt we'll trade for Sage...and I doubt we'll have to. I'd be pretty surprised if we don't make a run at Sage if/when he gets cut.

Posted by: brownwood26

Sign Sage if the possibility arises and release Brennan, please! If they keep Grossman, that's two QB's that were coached by Kyle Shanahan and know his system. It seems like common sense to me. Same with McNabb and Westbrook playing together.

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Rosenfels?! (shudder)... brings back memories of the ol' ball coach. No thanks!
Posted by: DikShuttle
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Your memories are a little faded.. Sage was drafted by Schottenheimer not Spurrier (He sign Ramsey that caused Sage to be traded to Miami). Sage has had some great games in Miami and Texas.. his one problem to many picks.. he needs to be more careful with the ball. But if Minny cuts him and Rex doesn't look good.. he would be a good pickup for the Skins. Don't think he's a good replacement for Colt though.. both McNabb and Sage have been around to long to be considered QB's of the future. But a solid number 2 or starter if McNabb gets hurt I think Sage would be a better option than Rex...

Posted by: sovine08 | July 19, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure we won't see any more roster additions (with the possible exception of Westbrook) until teams start making their cuts. I'm sure that Allen knows about everyone who's still available out there. Either the Skins have decided that they have no interest in these players, or the players are asking for more than the Skins are willing to pay them.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 19, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

sovine, I wouldn't read too much into that...it's pretty well documented that 2011 is going to be a better draft for QBs and I think Shanahan wisely held off on the QB for that year. We'll probably get something better in Round 2 of 2011 than we would have in 2010 (Jimmy Clausen, anyone?).

Hell, I'd like to wait until 2012 to draft a QB, but 2011 wouldn't break my heart.

Colt could surprise a lot of people, but I doubt he's anything more than training camp fodder at this point.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 19, 2010 11:07 AM

This just in. Albert Haynesworth said he would not be attending Hell Week.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 19, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This just in. Albert Haynesworth said he would not be attending Hell Week.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 19, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

He already had Hell Week.

A sit up on Monday.

recover from that Tuesday-Thursday.

10 minutes on traedmill Friday.

Recover Saturday- Sunday.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

brown, I didn't know that. That'll be whats up if they release Rosenfels. It'll make too much sense to go after him then release Grossman. McNabb, Rosenfels, and Brennan? I'll be cool with that.

hess, don't know if you're joking or not, but you can't hate on "blog po-po" then be one yourself. And plenty of people that post here have an opinion on the NBA/basketball... while the playoffs were going on peeps were giving their 2 cents. You at the time were Snyder scorned, so I guess you missed out.

4th, Howard? As in Josh Howard? Hmm... 30, coming off a torn ACL... although he played well in the games with the Wizards last year, I'll pass on Howard.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you, Red. Don't care much about who the #3 guy is, so long as McNabb/Rosenfels occupies the #1 and #2 spots.

And here's some advice: ITA on hess. Not only is he a walking contradiction but he contributes nothing to the blog. I mean, unless we're counting the occasional Snyder insult and poking the regulars in the eye with assinine arguments as "contributing"...

Don't know about Josh Howard, but I saw that our old friend Juwan Howard joined the migration to Miami. Ironic that 15 years after his ridiculous contract with Miami set the Wizards back for years, he's now actually playing for that franchise. That bum...can't believe he's actually still playing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This is an argument against the 18 game reg. season - without preseason Colt B. has no pro career

Posted by: ElYeah | July 19, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse


@RedDMV

I hear you loud and clear!

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

4th, Howard? As in Josh Howard? Hmm... 30, coming off a torn ACL... although he played well in the games with the Wizards last year, I'll pass on Howard.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 11:34 AM

Yeah...but the Wiz can't with him being in his last year @ $11Mil....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Guys - there's reason for Rex being here. There's no reason for Rosenfels. It's one of the most non-sensical things I've read up here... and that's sayin' something.

btw, I'm not raggin' on 'Fels. He's plenty average. I just keep picturing Spurrilous "coachin' him up"...ew. I understand HairHat didn't draft him.

I can't see them getting rid of Rex 'cause the reason they got him wasn't for his quality of play.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

PFT ran a link to this...some of it we know, but some is kinda new:

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2010/07/19/mike-shanahan-eager-for-camp-to-get-started/

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Enlighten us, Dik...what's the reason?

Can't simply be because "he knows the offense"...I mean, we coulda signed Kyle Shanahan's butt buddy Chris Simms and fulfilled that obligation.

I can see the draw in Rex...starting experience, already knows the offense. Plus you'd have to put him up there as one of the best available FA backups at the time. But Sage provides those same advantages and you can't debate he's a better option (at least in THIS offense) if you have to start your backup for 2-4 weeks.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Come on, guys. You've all got your panties wet about McNabb bringing some guys to Arizona. They're just partying. It's not "hell week".

You don't do a week of intense workouts a week before training camp. Doesn't happen. Too much risk of injury -- and being just plain exhausted for training camp. No one does that. They're just doing maintenance workouts and throwing a few balls before they hit the clubs.

You're really getting suckered here.

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | July 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION: 2011 was a team option and the Wiz did not pick it up....

1. Wall
2. Gil
3. Blatche
4. Horton
5. McGee

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

sovine, I wouldn't read too much into that...it's pretty well documented that 2011 is going to be a better draft for QBs and I think Shanahan wisely held off on the QB for that year. We'll probably get something better in Round 2 of 2011 than we would have in 2010 (Jimmy Clausen, anyone?).

Hell, I'd like to wait until 2012 to draft a QB, but 2011 wouldn't break my heart.

Colt could surprise a lot of people, but I doubt he's anything more than training camp fodder at this point.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I agree, there's seriously like 7-8 decent QB prospects in this draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | July 19, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Shanahan on $nyder

I know what type of commitment he’s made with the Washington Redskins. He wants to win more than anybody.


So does every owner in the NFL, and they all want to have their signature on that winning team. Can $nyder keep his word that he gave to Shanahan and relinquish all football decisions to him? Let's hope so this time around.

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

brown, Juwan Howard is noted for his offseason preparation. That's why he's still in the league. I hear what you're saying about his contract form back in the day, but you have to charge that one to management. Call it the Haynesworth effect... or call the Haynesworth situation the Juwan Howard effect.

In a perfect world they would've kept Webber and Rasheed Wallace. Would've had the best front court for the next decade. Although Howard and Webber did average over 20 ppg in '95-'96, and nearly duplicated that output in '96-'97. That's the year they played the Bulls in the 1st round... which led to Jordan saying they'll be a force in the future for a long time.

LMFBAO!!! A force in the lottery. A force in the argument of worst draft bust of all-time.


Matter of fact, "The curse of Les Boules" can be attributed to Micheal Jordan. His first game was against the Bullets... him dubbing them as one of teams of the future in ... him picking Kwame Brown....

The '95-'97 Bullets had some ballers on it.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

"Truth be told, I've never been much of a Colt fan. I just like his mobility and playmaking ability..."
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All I remember is watching Colt toss INTs. Apparently he had more success in '08 but I didn't see any preseason that year.

Rex is a legit backup; Colt more suited for CFL.

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Correction#2:

1. Wall
2. Gil
3. Young
4. Jinlan lee or whatever his name is.
5. McGee

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

sovine, I wouldn't read too much into that...it's pretty well documented that 2011 is going to be a better draft for QBs and I think Shanahan wisely held off on the QB for that year. We'll probably get something better in Round 2 of 2011 than we would have in 2010 (Jimmy Clausen, anyone?). Hell, I'd like to wait until 2012 to draft a QB, but 2011 wouldn't break my heart. Colt could surprise a lot of people, but I doubt he's anything more than training camp fodder at this point.
Posted by: brownwood26
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Personally I think Clausen was a steal in the 2nd round. We just better hope Philly wasn't right that McNabb is used up and Clausen doesn't have a great career in Carolina.. both possible. As far as 2011 while it may be a better draft class if Skins improve to 8-8 or better they may not get a chance to draft the best of them. And 2012 well how long you think Shanahan is going to be around for? Anything more than 3 years is probably pushing it which is why i think he was more interested in getting a veteran QB than drafting a rookie to groom this year. I think Colt meanwhile could surprise.. Zorn and injuries have held him back. I believe he's healthy now and has a good relationship with Kyle.. this preseason could be an eye opener.

Posted by: sovine08 | July 19, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse


@diesel_skins_

For all we know they're practicing indoors!!

Posted by: hessone | July 19, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm curious to see how the free safety position pans out this year.

Someone mentioned Kevin Barnes playing there.

Now that I think about it, maybe it's not a bad idea.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Dik, just because I get a feeling you'll actually try and debate that Rex is better than Sage (I'll puke if I hear that assinine "Rex led the Bears to the SB" argument), here's a comparison of their numbers in Houston:

Sage Rosenfels:

2008-6 games (5 starts)
116 for 174 (66.7%) 1,431 yards 6 TDs, 10 INTs (79.5 QB rating)

2007-9 games (5 starts)
154 for 240 (64.2%) 1,684 yards 15 TDs, 12 INTs (84.8 QB rating)

2006-4 games (0 starts)
27 for 39 (69.2%) 265 yards 3 TDs, 1 INT (103.0 QB rating)

Career-351 for 562 (62.5%) 4,156 yards 30 TDs, 29 INTs (81.2 QB rating)

Rex Grossman:

2009-1 game (0 starts) 3 for 9 (33.3%) 33 yards 0 TDs, 1 INTs (5.6 QB rating)

Career-
524 for 971 (54.0%) 6,197 yards 33 TDs, 36 INTs (69.5 QB rating)


Sage over Rex...10 times outta 10 and twice on Sundays.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

That's exactly why, brownie. And I said so in my post. They didn't pick Simms 'cause he's done. Rex has just played badly (he's played well at times, too). That won't keep him from being effective as an educator and game manager.

While you may not agree (apparently), you can make a case for Rex over Simms & Rosenfels.... I'm trying to remember how many StuporBowels Sage has played in....

Oh & his work in Miamuh was mediocre at best.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Agreed on Juwan, Red...I know it's management's bad for the panic move of matching Miami's offer and a lot of the angst coming his way from the fans was misplaced. Doesn't take away from the fact that the guy was a bum here.

Sovine, Clausen will be a bum. His only hope is that the next coach in Carolina will be one that specializes in coaching QBs...or at least gets a guy on his staff who is. If Bill Cowher takes that job (and I'd bet he is), he doesn't fit that description.

The only way Shanahan isn't here beyond 3 years is if we win the Super Bowl the next 3 consecutive years. Since that ain't happenin', he'll be here the full 5.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman lead the Bears to the Super Bowl in his 1st full season of starting for the Bears with only Bernard Berrian as his star receiver and Devin Hester as the star kick-returner. He has a very live arm and despite what Brownwood thinks, can play the game of football.
Lovie Smith helped sabotage the Grossman's career by not supporting him in the media and not providing more talent around him. Smith let the Chicago media, beat the kid up w/o reminding them of how new/green he still was and that he took them to the big game, essentially as a rookie.

The Bears were lucky enough to have 2 good young QBs-Orton and Grossman and foolish enough to mis-manage both of their careers. They gave up on both too quickly. Remember, Orton lead them to a 13-0 record as a rookie starter.
When I read brownwood's posts, I'm reading a media-indoctrinated fan-what the media says about a player goes in his mind. There's no way you can be really negative about Grossman if you know the story.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Dik, I'm not concerned with Sage's performance in Miami because that's not the offense we run here. We're running Houston's offense. And in Houston's offense, he unquestionably played the best ball of his career. Well enough, that the Vikings thought they could start him and he would have been their starter if Favre hadn't showed up. Based on his numbers in Houston, I think he would have earned it.

I'll grant you that there's not much of a body of work for Rex in Houston. But when you look at a guy who as a starter in Chicago (a run heavy offense that simply asked him not to screw up) struggled with some of the most fundamental aspects of playing QB (getting the snap from center, throwing the ball to guys wearing the same color jersey you are). Starter or backup, that's not gonna inspire much confidence.

Giving him credit for piggybacking a great Bears D to a SB isn't cause for celebration, my man. I'd make the case that the Bears might've won that game had it not been for your buddy Rex.

So if you want an educator/game manager, either make him a QB coach or your emergency 3rd stringer. You don't put him one hit away from being your starter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

4th, I wouldn't have Young at 8th in the rotation let alone starting.

1 - Wall
2 - Arenas
3 - Thornton
4 - Blatche
5 - McGee

Martin, Yi, Booker, Singleton, Hinrich, Young, Armstrong, Ndiaye -- is what I'd like to see them go into the season with.

If he's ready and his buyout is reasonable the dude Seraphin from France would be a good edition too.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

brownwood
Then puke dude, because you don't know what you're talking about. I'm CRAZY about Rosenfels, but there's no way he's better that Grossman. Taking a modestly talented team to a SB is not an assinine point. wth?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman lead the Bears to the Super Bowl in his 1st full season of starting for the Bears with only Bernard Berrian as his star receiver and Devin Hester as the star kick-returner. He has a very live arm and despite what Brownwood thinks, can play the game of football.

Posted by: ArmchairGM

You're on a very short list in the Rex Grossman fan club. "Has a very live arm"?

Yeah, and that's his problem. He doesn't know when to hold back or when to let loose. He wants to sling it around the field, but didn't understand his personnel or his own abilities well enough to get away with it.

True, he didn't have any WRs to throw to, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking that Rex motherlovin' Grossman is a viable option in case McNabb goes down.

Grossman is terrible. Should only fill in for a few plays during the game and take most of his snaps in garbage time.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

When I read brownwood's posts, I'm reading a media-indoctrinated fan-what the media says about a player goes in his mind. There's no way you can be really negative about Grossman if you know the story.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:32 PM


The media has nothing to do with my opinion. It has everything to do with him having 36 career picks and 10 lost fumbles in 7 years of playing pro football. And the guy has only played a full season ONCE! Let me spell that out for you...that's 46 turnovers in 37 games. Nothing media driven about those numbers.

The Bears didn't have an elite WR and I get that...but don't say that he never had a chance there. They had a solid ground game and a dominant defense. All a QB has to do is show up and don't screw it up and he couldn't manage that.

I mean, as bad as so many up here thought JC was, he NEVER threw more INTs than TDs in a full season. Grossman has in 4 of the 7 years he's played. What does that say about Rex?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

brown-I'll bet you money that Clausen won't be a "bum". How exactly are you evaluating QBs? Great, you like Sage, so every other QB can't play because you like Sage? C'mon!

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

So how many Full seasons has your boy played?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, certain members of the Redskins defensive line are said to be holed up and "working out" in a secret location near Nashville...

The only hint of their presence is a constant stream of fast food delivery trucks, including KFC, Pizza Hut and Crispy Cream doughnuts.

Also noted: a bus load of strippers riding topless down the highway following a specially configured burgundy and gold Brinks Truck loaded with @21 million in dollar bills.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 19, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Then puke dude, because you don't know what you're talking about. I'm CRAZY about Rosenfels, but there's no way he's better that Grossman. Taking a modestly talented team to a SB is not an assinine point. wth?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:39 PM


Again...saying that he "led" the Bears to the SB is misleading at best. They won IN SPITE of Rex, not BECAUSE OF. Two very different things.

By your logic, Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to the SB. We both know that's crap.

And consider this: if Rex was even remotely responsible for the Bears going to the SB, he'd be a starter in a QB-driven (yet QB starved) league. Not in a training camp battle with Colt f-ing Brennan for a backup job.

Hell, even Dilfer got another starting gig after B-more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

You know what, if you're making an argument based on interceptions, as I said before, you don't know what you're talking about.
You can go look at many QBs careers, at some point all of them might have had more interceptions than touchdowns. All you have to be is a young QB, trying to get it down. So that's a fallacious argument. Brett Favre has a helluva bunch of interceptions, Terry Bradshaw had a bunch of interceptions, so did Elway. So?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I like that we're debating the backup & not the starter ;-] (way to find common ground, Shuttle!)

Ok, let's clarify what we're debating here, though: That we SHOULD pick up Sage or that we WILL pick up Sage? Which is it?

I'm pretty much a no on either count, but I can see the Should argument. I don't think there's a chance we will.. but strange IS truther than fact, so....maps.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

No they didn't win in spite of Grossman, that's just not a good point. That was Grossman throwing those skinny posts to Berrian, that was Grossman throwing those bombs to Berrian. You didn't watch the Bears that year did you? Berrian and Grossman had a ready chemistry, that's why it was a shame that Smith, the head coach didn't support them-the Bears got cheap on Berrian and let him go as a free agent and that hindered Grossman, because the Bears then started the Hester as WR experiment.

Oh, and quite a case could be made that the Ravens, were shortsighted in letting Dilfer go, Brian Billick has said as much in interviews. You say Dilfer got another gig. That's right and he was a better QB by that point also.
But as they say, that's why they play the games-perhaps, we'll both see next year if McNabb gets dinged.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't matter - after hell week conditioning DMCNABB will be on the field 100% of the time

Posted by: ElYeah | July 19, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

10 more days... hoping some of you DC metro types will attend open practices and report back on what you see.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think we should pick up Sage, I really agree with brown, but you don't have to put down Rex to get Sage, you dig?

In fact, Sage might be a little too good for us to get our hands on. I see the Vikings haven't let him go yet, why would they when the alternative is Tavaris 'jump pass' Jackson?

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I think Colt will beat him out...

Posted by: impervious99 | July 19, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

In fact, I agree enough with brown to take back the "you don't know what you're talking about" crap.

It's not conducive to a good back and forth thread and we all have strong opinions on this sport-mine aren't automatically correct either. So my apologies.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

You can go look at many QBs careers, at some point all of them might have had more interceptions than touchdowns. All you have to be is a young QB, trying to get it down. So that's a fallacious argument. Brett Favre has a helluva bunch of interceptions, Terry Bradshaw had a bunch of interceptions, so did Elway. So?

Posted by: ArmchairGM

So, those guys you named: Elway, Bradshaw, Favre all did things to offset their mistakes.

Like leading (not so much Bradshaw) their teams to super bowl wins.


To date, what has Rex Grossman done where yo can say something like 'even though he turns the ball over he still does.... well.'?

You can't. He can't even manage the game. Hell, he at times with the Bears he was goofing the QB/center exchange. And it was on Grossman, 'cause when Orton came in, all the sudden it wasn't an issue anymore.

He, Grossman, can play in the league. But just for spot duty and cleanup.

Nothing more nothing less.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Sexy Rexy will be the back-up, and, after Moss, Thomas, and Kelly all get hurt during hell-week, the Skins will sign Marvin Harrison.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 19, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Ya'll kill me before he became ELWAY, what John Elway famous for? That's right going under the guard for the ball, remember. You can't come at me with "this guy can't play because he fumbled the exchange" and expect me to take your point seriously.

Those are the observations of rank amateurs.
Dave Krieg was a stand-out QB who was famous for.....FUMBLES. So, what is he now an awful QB?!@?
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"To date, what has Rex Grossman done where yo can say something like 'even though he turns the ball over he still does.... well.'?"
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What QB doesn't turn the BALL over!! Do you see why I can't accept your opinion?
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"He can't even manage the game."

He's played in the same amount of SBs as McNabb.
He MANAGED to do that.

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Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the movie The Fan, yet?

Watched it with my wife this weekend and she was like, are people really like that?

Why is it I thought of this blog and certain posters sitting at their Moms house writing a script for a radio Talk show.

I did like it for the fact that it showed Gints fans and Eagle fans looking borderline Dur-dur.

Also it was odd to see the Philly bar scene and all the McNabb Jerseys. Just weird.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Weakest argument ever...

Posted by: alex35332 | July 19, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Very Quickly, Jay Cutler didn't look all that great in the Bears offense either,that's the main reason they know have Martz, maybe it's not the QBs, but the lack of a good scheme/philosophy.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Just a few comments:

Clark worked out for the team but was never offered a contract. There are only four QB's on the roster: McNabb, Grossman, Bartel and Brennan.

Moe sounds like he's auditioning for the sequel to "Grumpy Old Men" entitled "Grumpy Old Bloggers".

Don't want Shawn Andrews. I think what the team needs is an honest to goodness backup tackle that could slide inside in a pinch. If, God forbid, T. Williams or J. Brown go down, Stephon Heyer will be a starter. We all know how well that has worked out in the past. Would like to see Capers challenge Heyer but he's a project, with his only hope of getting on the field being goal line situations as a blocking tight end and emergency work at tackle. So, the team needs more depth at tackle.

Regarding Brennan working out with McNabb all I can say is Brennan probably saw this as a way to drink up some of the spotlight McNabb is pretty constantly found in. Brennan has a lot to prove on the field. The whole blonde-haired neon-smile west coast QB thing is wearing a little thin. I hope Bartel beats him out in camp and we can finally say good-bye to the Cult of Colt.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 19, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM (cool name btw, dude) your argument makes ZERO sense...


You're comparing Grossman's fumbles to Dave Krieg's fumbles... someone who's thrown for nearly 40,000 yards to someone who's thrown for a tad over 7,000 yards. Someone who has more career TDs than INTs to someone who has more career INTs than TDs.

And nice way to totally sidestep the fact that your BFF Rex Grossman CAN NOT MANAGE a game.

Now, do you see why I can't take your argument seriously. Please GTFOH with that mickey mouse bullchit.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the movie The Fan, yet?

Sorry, it was called Big Fan.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson fumbles alot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Please GTFOH with that mickey mouse bullchit.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect Red, with all due respect. It needs to be in front, then you are allowed to say whatever you want.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

So which unit on the skins has the least question marks about it?

Our starting QB will not be questioned but after that it gets dark and dismal fast.

Our RB are all very very old and have not been particularly effective the past few years.

Our oline got better with acquisitions, but were still penciling in a rookie at LT and we have serious depth probs.

Our WR are very questionable through and through.

Our Dline depends a lot on fat @ss. After that the penciled in starters are either coming off serious injury or have little experience in the 3-4. We have a lot of bodies but not a lot of immediate impact.

Our line backers are similar to our D-line without the injury worries. A ton of players not a ton of 3-4 evperience. but Orakpo and fletch give that unit a bit of stability.

Our corners arent terrible and arent great. If either one of are starters was half as good as they think they are we would be set.

We still dont have a free safety starter set which may be a good thing considering technically this team only has one on the roster, Moore. Landry going back to his natural spot should help.

Not sure who will be taking our kick and punt returns yet, or who or kicker and punter will be.

A complete toss out guess at the unit with the least amount of question marks, the line backers, why? I dont know, not a lot of injuries, lots of depth and Osackpo.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 19, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Stu- The secondary is our most solid unit.

I would make an argument as to why, but inevitably that would cause a DHall V. CR fight. We all know what can come of those.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Can someone cite a game where you can say all other facets of the team didn't show up, but Rex did. He put them on his shoulders and willed his team to victory?

I bet you can easily recall a game where Grossman cost his team the game than when he won it for them.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Can someone cite a game where you can say all other facets of the team didn't show up, but Rex did. He put them on his shoulders and willed his team to victory?

I bet you can easily recall a game where Grossman cost his team the game than when he won it for them.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:20 PM
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I have to agree with you, Red. Chicago won a lot of games in spite of Grossman, not because of him. I question the real value of him knowing the offense if he can't be consistent, cracks under pressure and has the passing accuracy of old "Scattergun Campbell". Conversely, I can't see the team dumping him in favor of Bartel and Brennan. Unless the team brings in another QB to audition (Garcia?), then I am afraid Grossman's job is safe by default.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 19, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

iH8, is it because of our corners or our safeties that gives you the most confidence. While we are stacked with first round draft picks I have felt lately that this is possibly our most dysfunctional, though not our worst unit. When they get beat it generally looks really ugly, though stat wise they have been good on paper. Also who the heck is playing FS already, horton, moore, doughty, all of them. I have also heard talk of CR playing safety, and Barnes. Looks as if we will be far more flexible with where we play people, which only leads to more question marks. I will be more comfortable with this position if they drop the center field FS approach, hopefully that was a blatch thing.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The formula in Chicago was simple:

Run Thomas Jones

Cause a 3 and out

Have the team kick it to Hester

That was the Bears SSFFF

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

10 more days... hoping some of you DC metro types will attend open practices and report back on what you see.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 1:05 PM

Planning on at least day 1...might be hard to follow the action with the AH circus blocking out the sun, but I'll try.

I don't think RI is very blackberry friendly, so may have to wait for updates 'til evening of the 29th.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

gator, indeed. I'll make a note of it.


'The Fan' was DeNiro and Wesley Snipes. The movie sucked so bad it was funny. DeNiro was classic in that movie... Hadn't checked out 'Big Fan' yet but remember seeing the trailers for it...


RSH, I just find it UUFB that there is someone in the universe that is actually a Rex Grossman fan...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

iH8, is it because of our corners or our safeties that gives you the most confidence. While we are stacked with first round draft picks I have felt lately that this is possibly our most dysfunctional, though not our worst unit. When they get beat it generally looks really ugly, though stat wise they have been good on paper. Also who the heck is playing FS already, horton, moore, doughty, all of them. I have also heard talk of CR playing safety, and Barnes. Looks as if we will be far more flexible with where we play people, which only leads to more question marks. I will be more comfortable with this position if they drop the center field FS approach, hopefully that was a blatch thing.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 19, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Mostly the corners. I like them all.

Laron playing a little more in the box will help too.

As far as being the help over the top, I'd say Kareem Moore is the best bet.

I think Haslett will put these guys where they can flourish.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 2:39 PM

good stuff... would be nice to hear camp observations from RI that aren't filtered through the usual media meat grinder.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 2:53 PM

You got it, moodly. I'll call 'em as I see 'em.

You're looking for mostly Bartel updates, right? ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

RSH, I just find it UUFB that there is someone in the universe that is actually a Rex Grossman fan...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM
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Yep, me too. Being a Rex Grossman fan has to rank up there (or down there, maybe) with being a fan of mildew, or of Nancy Pelosi's plastic surgeon...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 19, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Haha, yay mildew!!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

RSH, I just find it UUFB that there is someone in the universe that is actually a Rex Grossman fan...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM
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Yep, me too. Being a Rex Grossman fan has to rank up there (or down there, maybe) with being a fan of mildew, or of Nancy Pelosi's plastic surgeon...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 19, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Or a fan of colonoscopy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Saw Big Fan. Didn't like the movie as much as the concept.

DID like how they actually celebrate the fanatic instead of mock him...

It's a good take. But I think Buffalo '66 does it better.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't checked out 'Big Fan' yet but remember seeing the trailers for it...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Watch the movie, you will start putting bloggers on here in that guys position.

I just picture all Eagle and Giants fans as losers like the main character.

I love football and everything about it, but if anyone gets to the level of this guy, you need a life.

IF anyone on here see this movie and it reminds them of them self, get some therapy. Or at a minimum post it here so we all know what level you are really on.


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Hadn't checked out 'Big Fan' yet but remember seeing the trailers for it...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Watch the movie, you will start putting bloggers on here in that guys position.

I just picture all Eagle and Giants fans as losers like the main character.

I love football and everything about it, but if anyone gets to the level of this guy, you need a life.

IF anyone on here see this movie and it reminds them of them self, get some therapy. Or at a minimum post it here so we all know what level you are really on.


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

My sister is marrying an Eagles fan.

He's a really nice guy, but his brother is ridiculous.

We watched an Eagles/Skins game together at the house a couple of years ago.

He showed up with face paint on. To watch a game at the crib.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Saw Big Fan. Didn't like the movie as much as the concept.

DID like how they actually celebrate the fanatic instead of mock him...

It's a good take. But I think Buffalo '66 does it better.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I dont like the main character, mainly based on his unfunny stand-up routine.

I thought they did a great job of mocking him.

36 years old, single, still has his room decorated like he is 10. Moms calls him out for having to clean out his Umm "lotion" covered Kleenex. Stays up writing his script for Radio talk shows while his mom is in the background screaming at him.

Never saw Buffalo 66, is it any good?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm entering my appearance as counsel on behalf of Sexy Rexy. The Bears won one game "in spite" of Rex and that was the famous "We are who we thought they were. We let 'em off the hook" game. When he played like garbage (multiple picks) they lost. The Bears had a solid running game with Jones and Benson. Rex threw for more than 3k and had 23 TDs. That's fairly competent. His problem was that when he failed, he failed miserably. But the Bears scored a lot of points that year.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 19, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

He's a really nice guy, but his brother is ridiculous.

We watched an Eagles/Skins game together at the house a couple of years ago.

He showed up with face paint on. To watch a game at the crib.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

My Brother-in-law is a Cowboys Fan. I feel your pain. At least he isnt loud and obnoxious.
I cant bring myself around to like the guy based on his affiliation. Is that wrong?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I am regretting selling my season tickets this year.

I mean, why cant you take an 8 week old to games?

Anyone have a good excuse to give the wife?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd say carrying a 3rd string, 3rd year quarterback who's just that is a waste of a roster spot.

And that spot should go to a guy who can do a couple of things well, even if he's not a starter.

Colt had better learn to cover punts or else, if I'm coaching, he's gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 7:35 AM

Third string QB is inactive game days anyway. And if one QB goes down you're glad you have him.

Posted by: skinfanman | July 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I mean, why cant you take an 8 week old to games?

Anyone have a good excuse to give the wife?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:29 PM

Shirley, you gest.

Posted by: skinfanman | July 19, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

My Brother-in-law is a Cowboys Fan. I feel your pain. At least he isnt loud and obnoxious.
I cant bring myself around to like the guy based on his affiliation. Is that wrong?


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Is he a bandwagon guy, or a true Cowboys fan?

The reason I have a little more respect for the Eagles fans is because I have never met a fairweather Eagles fan.

Cowboys fans=Steelers fans.

In my entire life I don't think I have ever met a Cowboys fan that was eiter
a) from the Texas area
b) knowledgable about their own team
c) cared about them when they lost

I found I usually know more about the Cowboys, in comparison to many of their "fans".

That's why I hate Dallas so much.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

GS2k - Mrs. Shuttle & Fam are all CowPatties! eegh. I just pray Little Shuttlette sees the light.

I actually thot they were celebrating the main character. He represented the virtues throughout the film. There was surface mockery, but all the positions were justified through his circumstances.

Buffalo '66 is one of the best sports films ever made.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Wait, GS - yours is 8 weeks?! So's Mine! Congratz!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:34 PM

Same here. Wife and MiL both Cowboys fans. What's worse is they don't know sjk about football. When I met them they couldn't even name the starting running back. Like you I hope to shield the Little Hand from that nonsense.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 19, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I am regretting selling my season tickets this year.

I mean, why cant you take an 8 week old to games?

Anyone have a good excuse to give the wife?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

gatorskinz! Dude!

I told my g/f like this:

Season tickets have been in my family since 1961. Going to Redskins games is a family tradition.

I'm the next in line to receive the tickets, and when I have a son he will be the next.

You groom him early.

I see why she wouldn't want a baby around a bunch of drunks in cold weather.

Tell her it's like a family heirloom that must be passed down.

And BTW congrats on the baby.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Wait, GS - yours is 8 weeks?! So's Mine! Congratz!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Well she is 9 weeks actually, heading toward 10. She is pretty much awesome. I took a 10 year break between the 2.
(Translation: The pull out method failed me 10 years ago)

How is your sleeping. I got a sleeper man, she hit between 9 and 11 hours. She goes to bed for the night in between 9pm and 10pm. So we are extremely lucky.

When was your born? May 12th here.

Congrats to you and your wife as well. Makes you appreciate life a little bit more. Makes it not all about you.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Is he a bandwagon guy, or a true Cowboys fan?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

He has been a fan his whole life, so he gets his credit for that. But he lacks passion.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

You're looking for mostly Bartel updates, right? ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 3:03 PM

per discussion above, QB depth is questionable... so sure, why not?

camp battles and pecking order will be fun to watch, enjoy and let us know!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I have to say, Mrs. Shuttle & Fam are very noble and knowledgible fans of their squad... they still smell.

...The matriarch used to be a Skins fan, believe it or not...

I'm hoping at some point to drag them back to the light.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have a good excuse to give the wife?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:29 PM

football!

honestly, my wife is happy for me to take the calves away for almost any reason... and sports provide the perfect excuse.

8 weeks old is young enough not to be bothered by drunken louts.... if anything you can exact revenge when the meltdown starts.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

haynesworth in great shape
portis in great shape
bmw done

I've been trying to tell you haters so many times, believe what you see not what you hear or read.

the good players are good and the bad players are bad

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

haynesworth in great shape
portis in great shape
bmw done

I've been trying to tell you haters so many times, believe what you see not what you hear or read.

the good players are good and the bad players are bad

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 19, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Dude, stellar analysis. I haven't SEEN anything from Albert Haynewsworth, you're going off of what his D-bag trainer is telling the Fredericksburg, VA newspaper. Also, have you SEEN Clinton Portis lately? Honestly, have you? Didn't think so Mr. Contradiction

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 19, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

haynesworth in great shape
portis in great shape
BMW done

I've been tryin to tell you so many times believe what you see not what you hear or read.

good players are good, bad players are bad

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Just looking over the roster according to redskins.com.

2 thoughts: I keep forgetting we got Vonnie Holliday...does anybody think he makes the roster?

...and Anthony Bryant is one big bama...he's listed at 6-3 376!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 19, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I actually thought they were celebrating the main character. He represented the virtues throughout the film. There was surface mockery, but all the positions were justified through his circumstances.

Buffalo '66 is one of the best sports films ever made.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

They were justified through his train of thought. But if Orakpo whooped your arse and gave you brain damage, would you do everything in your power to make sure he played the following week?

That being said I could see where he was coming from, I disagree with his decisions however. But I also dont live at home with my mom, work in a parking garage, and definitely dont root for the giants.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

TYVM, gs2k!

Shuttlette is sleeping well, tho we only sleep 5-7. She was May 21. My best friend's baby was born in Miami a few hours later.

& you're right, my life is completely different.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"He's (C Brennan) really working hard to take his game to the next level," Fischer said. "He looks great."


The '...next level..."?

What's the next level for an oft-injured or operated on NFL 3rd stringer?:

Unemployment, that's what.

Posted by: MistaMoe |


THE NEXT LEVEL IS BEATING OUT AND OUT PLAYING REX GROSSMAN-IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT YOU COLT HATERS NEVER GIVE THE GUY A BREAK.
HE HAS GUTS AND TALENT-MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU MISTA-HOMO

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The reason I have a little more respect for the Eagles fans is because I have never met a fairweather Eagles fan.
Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 3:31 PM

I live up here….fair weather fans run rampant. I think it was the 93 season when the Eagles started out 4 -0 and the “town” was going nuts. Super bowl this super bowl that, Cunningham for MVP, this team could go undefeated….blah blah blah. Then they lost like the next eight out of nine games. After their 4th loss in a row the local CBS or fox station was buying up the last 10,000 or so unsold tix each week before the blackout rule would kick in. This happened a few times in the 90’s. They haven’t had to worry about it since Andy Reid was hired, but in general the Philly fan is a huge bandwagoner. Players on the pro teams even call out the fans every few years. Of course there are a few good apples in the bunch, but for the most part the Philly fans deserve their poor rep.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 19, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Colt had better learn to cover punts or else, if I'm coaching, he's gone.

Posted by: MistaMoe

YOU ARE NOT COACHING-YOU ARE ONLY A BLOGGER
A HOLES ARE LIKE OPINIONS AND YOU ARE ONE!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Shuttlette is sleeping well, tho we only sleep 5-7. She was May 21. My best friend's baby was born in Miami a few hours later.

& you're right, my life is completely different.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 19, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

No matter how crappy my day is, when I get home and pick her up and she starts laughing, nothing else matters. She will be a skins fan, she has no choice. Also, a gator fan, of course.

I am sure yours will be a Canes fan as well?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse


"He's (C Brennan) really working hard to take his game to the next level," Fischer said. "He looks great."


The '...next level..."?

What's the next level for an oft-injured or operated on NFL 3rd stringer?:

Unemployment, that's what.

Posted by: MistaMoe |


THE NEXT LEVEL IS BEATING OUT AND OUT PLAYING REX GROSSMAN-IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT YOU COLT HATERS NEVER GIVE THE GUY A BREAK.
HE HAS GUTS AND TALENT-MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU MISTA-HOMO

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lol, whoa dude, easy there Colt's number one fan, easy.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 19, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse


"He's (C Brennan) really working hard to take his game to the next level," Fischer said. "He looks great."


The '...next level..."?

What's the next level for an oft-injured or operated on NFL 3rd stringer?:

Unemployment, that's what.

Posted by: MistaMoe |


THE NEXT LEVEL IS BEATING OUT AND OUT PLAYING REX GROSSMAN-IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT YOU COLT HATERS NEVER GIVE THE GUY A BREAK.
HE HAS GUTS AND TALENT-MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU MISTA-HOMO

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lol, whoa dude, easy there Colt's number one fan, easy.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 19, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I am regretting selling my season tickets this year.

I mean, why cant you take an 8 week old to games?

Anyone have a good excuse to give the wife?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 19, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I guess I reached that conclusion because I never see Philly fans down here in NC, except for my future brother in law.

But man, those stinking Steelers fans are like a virus.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

That last post was at dlhaze....that was wierd

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I LIVE IN HAWAII AND WE ALL WEAR SANDALS ALL THE TIME- IT'S SECOND NATURE SO I CAN RELATE TO HIS FORGETTING SHOES

COLT NEEDS TO HAVE A SHOT AND WHAT ARE YOU HATERS GOING TO DO IF HE EVENTUALLY PERFORMS LIKE A SEASONED NFL QB?

SITUATION ONE: COLT OUTPLAYS REX-MCNABB GETS HURT-COLT COMES IN AND PLAYS WELL AND WINS GAMES- ARE YOU GOING TO TALK BAD ABOUT HIM THEN?

YOU WILL EAT YOUR WORDS-I WATCHED HIM PLAY AND HE HAS THE INTANGIBLES-HE WILL BE A GREAT PLAYER

SAGE ROSENFELS? WE HAD HIM ON THE SKINS BEFORE-BEEN THERE DONE THAT!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

before attempting to sign off...

Dik and GS congrats on new kids! after the adrenaline rush wears off, it continues to get better each day/month/year.

Buffalo '66 is a great flick... remember watching the 1991 SB on TV at a friend's apartment in NYC (narrative subtext).

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

colt has had more surgeries, than regular season passes he's completed....

he'll get beat out by bartel, and end up in the arena league...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 19, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

LOUD NOISES!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 19, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

As a Die Hard eagles fan while also a Donovan Mcnabb fan, You Redskins fans have nothing to fear in the division. I think that the simple combination of Mcnabb and Shanny will change your misfortunes over the last decade. I know for a fact that mcnabb has 3-4 (maybe more) good years left in him and the eagles let him go wayy to early. I also know that mcnabb is at his best when in the hot seat or with something to prove. This will be one of the most entertaining seasons that most of of us can remember once its done.

Posted by: MarcellesLightsey | July 19, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Baby talk!

My youngest is 7 months and is moving like crazy....She's a die-hard Redskins fan!

And Sexy Rexy is ok as long as he doesn't try to force passes that usually translate into INTs.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 19, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think the CAPS LOCK dude from Hawaii was assaulted by Colt and liked it.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 19, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

As a Die Hard eagles fan while also a Donovan Mcnabb fan, You Redskins fans have nothing to fear in the division. I think that the simple combination of Mcnabb and Shanny will change your misfortunes over the last decade. I know for a fact that mcnabb has 3-4 (maybe more) good years left in him and the eagles let him go wayy to early. I also know that mcnabb is at his best when in the hot seat or with something to prove. This will be one of the most entertaining seasons that most of of us can remember once its done.

Posted by: MarcellesLightsey


Who here wants to know more about Marcelles Lightsey the iggles fan:

http://www.nj.com/gloucester-county/index.ssf/2010/02/two_deptford_men_arrested_in_g.html

Hey Marcelles let me give you some suggestions:
1. quit committing robbery, assault, and theft.
2. quit posting on a redskins blog.
3. quit using your real name as a handle.
4. stay in your neck of the woods.

Although I know your handle could be fake, I'm guessing it isn't.
WE HATE THE FUGGIN IGGLES AND THEIR ROTTEN FANS!

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 19, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I think the CAPS LOCK dude from Hawaii was assaulted by Colt and liked it.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 19, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

What what in his butt I said what what in his butt, he wants Colt to do him in his butt, in his butt, he said he wants Colt to do him in his butt, in his butt

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 19, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

psps23: "...I honestly believe this team is poised for a leap in year one of the John Wall era, similar to that of the Chicago Bulls during Rose's first season."

That would be an 8 win improvement, which looking at the history of top choices, seems within the realm of possibility. Don't forget the situation in Chicago was different. The Bulls were a more talented club than the 'blown up' Wiz. They'd won 49 regular season games and advanced to the conference semifinals just two years before.

Still, the best approach is your original one, focusing on the team's improved play rather than wins and losses. Still a good chance this club winds up in the lottery once again.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 19, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Kurtshanaman

"...IT IS INTERESTING TO ME THAT YOU COLT HATERS NEVER GIVE THE GUY A BREAK.
HE HAS GUTS AND TALENT-MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU MISTA-HOMO..."


I have nothing for or against Colt Brennan.

But I will re-iterate that I think using a roster spot for a third quarterback who is just that is a silly luxury.

I'd put in a packet of 'wildcat' type plays for D Clark or some other athletic player in the preseason, and run them to test their viability in terms of how they expand the offense.

I see such a guy in the same way the Jets do B Smith and the browns J Cribbs: a hybrid offensive player who can contribute immediately on offense and special teams.

This doesn't mean I hate C Brennan, but who makes a hero out of third stringers?

He doesn't play special teams and can't use his athleticism to make the offense run smoothly while McNabb is split wide like D Clark might.

Like some other people in this forum, I want a roster replete with versitile players and athletes who serve multiple functions.

We should be 'hybrid' on D and 'hybrid' on O.

I want guys who can help the skins win in a variety of ways, not preseason all stars and charismatic clipboard holders.

You keep on celebratin' 'woulda,' 'coulda,' 'might be,' 'oft-injured' third stringers.

Me?: I want guys who can and do play.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

I stand corrected, D Clark is not on the roster.

I've been wrong before, just mark today on the calender as the 1st time this week.

I guess we're resigned to keeping a guy as third quarterback who does nothing but inspire HOPE (as in, "I HOPE McNabb and Rex get hurt, so Colt can show us what he's got!!!) in the hopelessly confused.

Believing in HOPE must be a hawaii thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I have nothing for or against Colt Brennan.
Posted by: MistaMoe

When Colt played in his first pre-season, he was not injured. He played extremely well. Last year. under bonehead Zorn, he played poorly because he was injured. This year he is healthy. I think many of you will be surprised this year by his play. Remember, McNabb didn't play well either when he was hurt, most QB's don't. When Colt played at Hawaii, he wasn't hurt.
I will watch the pre-season as it develops and watch Colt in games. I think all of the haters out there should do the same.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

You are always ready moe to take a swipe at Colt. Don't give me the crap that you have nothing against him...you flat out don't like him for some reason and that's fine.
I think that you should reconsider because when Colt gets his shot, you will eat crow.

I don't hope, I know what this kid can do!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline:

"10 People Get SHOT At Indiana's BLACK EXPO!"

It's our understanding that both the Tea Party and NAACP are taking credit for blaming each other for this crime.

The Postal Service is going to create a commerative African American history month stamp featuring a crowd of black folk scattering quickly at the sound of gunfire.

It'll be sold right along side the BP stamp depicting the underwater spill cam and oily sea birds that the national media suddenly has lost interest in.

Rush Limbaugh claims that the Expo, like George Steinbrenner, has made countless African Americans rich while white owned Expos go broke and lack gunfire to rid themselves of unwanted shoppers.

Given the small population of blacks in the State of Indiana, the deaths of two shoppers reduced the state's overall number to 4, not including the members of the Indianapolis Colts.

Police are looking for clues and witnesses to the shooting much in the same way you are wondering when this post will become funny.

'Cuz, well, it isn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Shanallen obviously felt was that Colt was the better option at QB than D Clark.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan fans on the the streets...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80oZvRJzlTQ&feature=relate

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 19, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman you can't really say that Colt's performance last season gives you faith that he can play in the NFL. Throw in the fact that he's had four operations on his legs while not starting a regular season game, and it would give most pause as to if he's a viable option going forward. He'll get an opportunity this training camp, unless perhaps if the Skins sign another vet QB.

Posted by: TWISI | July 19, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth post from MJD of Yahoo (who, by the way, is a Redskins fan):

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Deep-Posts-The-Albert-Haynesworth-Diet-Plan?urn=nfl,256644

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 19, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-titans-johnson

CJ back to No. 1 on fantasy draft boards.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 19, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

TOTD

Moe, I thought you were kidding until I googled the news. Sad, so sad

Colt - best case all the hard work we have a backup with no NFL game experience, worst case, well.. see The Turk

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 19, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

RSH, I just find it UUFB that there is someone in the universe that is actually a Rex Grossman fan...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 2:49 PM
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Yep, me too. Being a Rex Grossman fan has to rank up there (or down there, maybe) with being a fan of mildew, or of Nancy Pelosi's plastic surgeon...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 19, 2010 3:03 PM

Rex Grossman fans as of July 19

Kyle Shanahan
Mike Shanahan
Bruce Allen

If you need a chaser to digest this then may I suggest Johnnie Walker Blue Label King George V Edition..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 19, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Rex is about what you're gonna get for a backup QB these days. Who does Dallas & NY have if Romo or Eli get hurt? Vick ain't taking the Eagles anywhere if Cobb can't play. Hopefully a strong running game keeps McNabb upright all year.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 19, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

For a tropical island, Hawaii doesn't seem to be a very mellowing place.

Posted by: mack1 | July 19, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Colt is not really NFL material, maybe, barely 3rd string material. Give up on Colt people cause it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Pepper5 | July 19, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

mack, it's the island fever. People start using all caps unnecessarily and stake out irrational positions on obscure NFL players.

Kurt, i hope he does well and takes the #2 spot because I dislike Rex far more than Colt. But I agree with Moe, keeping a third QB is a luxury we probably can't afford.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 19, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

mack, it's the island fever. People start using all caps unnecessarily and stake out irrational positions on obscure NFL players.

Kurt, i hope he does well and takes the #2 spot because I dislike Rex far more than Colt. But I agree with Moe, keeping a third QB is a luxury we probably can't afford.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 19, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Double move again. I'm just gonna keep playing my game, though.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 19, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I'd go to the beach instead of getting worked up over people liking or disliking a third string qb. But like you I hope Colt beats out Grossman and becomes something good.

Posted by: mack1 | July 19, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I think ol' Kurt did 12 pounds of coke before posting TODAY!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Kurt, i hope he does well and takes the #2 spot because I dislike Rex far more than Colt. But I agree with Moe, keeping a third QB is a luxury we probably can't afford.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 19, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse
3rd QB is a necessity. If you can get your #3 on the practice squad, that frees a roster spot. But most teams will have a 3rd qb available somehow. He's needed for practice, so starter doesn't get sore tired arm. And he's needed if 1 stringer is hurt, so you have a backup. Usually, if he doesn't qualify for practice squad, he is inactive for games. NFL allows him to play, even if not active, if both 1st and 2nd string qb's are injured.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 19, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

"...I thought you were kidding until I googled the news. Sad, so sad..."


I felt that way, too, up until I realized I'd get another stamp to add to my collection.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

kurtshanaman

"You are always ready......to take a swipe at Colt."

I'll take a swipe at my own momma if she's an oft-operated on 3rd string quarterback.

But I don't as she plays special teams and, according to dad, handles a long snapper with no prob.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

fredie, your reasoning re practice works for training camp, but I'm talking final roster.

Since when does the starting QB not take 98-100% of the snaps during the regular season unless injured, like doubtful to play injured? I'm pretty sure this comes up every time a backup comes in and plays well and some dipsh!t like Joe Buck says, "wow, I have to hand it to Colt Brennan, he's playing great despite being a cyborg from the waist down AND he hasn't taken a single practice snap since training camp".

No, the third QB is a luxury unless you absolutely don't have someone like Randle El or Brian Mitchell who played in college to fill in during an emergency. But I think if you want stretch your roster and keep, say, MK12 around if he underwhelms in preseason, you look for ways to stash him on the 53. You're right, though, practice squad would be ideal.

The Super Bowl winning Saints went without one for a good part of the season last year before bring up the former Tiger. I think I remember there being growing number of teams doing the same, something like a third of the league? Have to look that up...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 19, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

romolongballs

"...the third QB is a luxury unless you absolutely don't have someone like Randle El or Brian Mitchell who played in college to fill in during an emergency..."


We are in total agreement here.

Plus, an unintended consequence of the league's rules changing to protect starting quarterbacks is that don't get beat up as much as they used--unless they are JC in 2009.

It used to be that you could 'hit' a quarterback so much he'd get gunshy by the middle of the game and throw the ball away to avoid punishment.

Now, that strategy is a 15 yard penalty.

So a team could keep two healthy quarterbacks on the roster, use the third spot for a hybrid offensive player--like P White or J Cribbs or B Smith--and stash another quarterback on the practice squad.

Again: 3 quarterbacks on the roster is a luxury teams have chosen to no longer afford.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

And nice way to totally sidestep the fact that your BFF Rex Grossman CAN NOT MANAGE a game.

Now, do you see why I can't take your argument seriously. Please GTFOH with that mickey mouse bullchit.
Red DMV
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What, you think I'm impressed? Scared?
You think you're smart-you're not-what is "manage a game"-again the talking point of fan that's media-indoctrinated.
Let me repeat, in his 1st full year starting, Rex G. lead the Bears to the Super Bowl. How many QBs do that? Jason Campbell-did he do that?
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"they won in spite of him, not because of him"
Oh,okay-so they have been winning like crazy since he left huh?
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Read the entire thread and you'll see the that Kreig was used as an example not a comparison, but of course, you're the typical board smart-mouth.
Stop with the glib put-downs and read.
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Another thing, I'm not a fan of Rex, I just see there's more to his story.
It's why I call myself the Armchair GM-I look deeper & don't rely on snap judgments.
Shanahan hasn't forgotten how to coach yet, he's had success with dudes I didn't think highly of like Jake Plummer, so Rex is on the team because they think the guy can play,see I'm not the only one.
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Speaking of glib comments.....
Where are all the "Fat Albert" jokers?????
He looks in shape to me. Lost weight and now ready to go.
C'mon gang-tell the Fat this, bloated that jokes. AH makes my point again, almost this entire board was/is ready to give up on him and.....now he's looking damn good.
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What's mickey mouse-is being dismissive of players w/o good reason.
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Red, you act as though you've been watching the NFL for ten minutes. How many times have you seen players that look like they are D.O.A. only to revive with another team? I'm relying on the fact that I've been watching the NFL for 34 years.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

armchair

"Shanahan has... had success with dudes I didn't think highly of like Jake Plummer, so Rex is on the team because they think the guy can play,see I'm not the only one."

Now, there's a finely made point, one the Cult 'O Colt would do well to embrace.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I think ol' Kurt did 12 pounds of coke before posting TODAY!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I kind of like Kurt. For no good reason, he just hops on here and starts calling people idiots and a-holes.

Either he is Colt's dad, or he is completely insane, I'm not sure which.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

moe,

"It used to be that you could 'hit' a quarterback so much he'd get gunshy by the middle of the game and throw the ball away to avoid punishment."

This is why I'm such a big Farvra fan. I get pissed when he dicks around with the drama every year, but he played most of his career in the "used to be" you mentioned and balled AND never missed a game. Tough SOB.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 19, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I think ol' Kurt did 12 pounds of coke before posting TODAY!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 19, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I kind of like Kurt. For no good reason, he just hops on here and starts calling people idiots and a-holes.

Either he is Colt's dad, or he is completely insane, I'm not sure which.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 9:52 PM |

He says he's an old SEAL from the Vietnam days. My Dad's a Vietnam vet and has some of the same characteristics.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 19, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Either he is Colt's dad, or he is completely insane, I'm not sure which.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 9:52 PM

We can't have both?

Sort of the Jolt Cola of RI. "All the sugar and twice the caffeine. Dare to have it all!"

That stuff was nasty BTW.

Posted by: edvar | July 19, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

After my 3 tours in Nam, i became crazy for the redskins and I am telling you Colt will prove his mettle this year...mark my words!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Main Entry: met·tle
Pronunciation: \ˈme-təl\
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of metal
Date: 1581

1 a : vigor and strength of spirit or temperament b : staying quality : stamina
2 : quality of temperament or disposition
synonyms see courage

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Kurt- you really are my favorite poster.
I'd like to have a beer with you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

ArmchairGM, I'm too bored, too tired, too drunk and too... aw, well you get the point... I don't feel like making a turkey and SWISS with your post above, maybe tomorrow... but you're making an apples to apples comparison or "example" with Jason Campbell... "dismissive of players w/o reason"? "Watching the NFL for 34 years" dude, you don't have to be an 'ArmchairGM' to know that Rex f-ing Grossman is nothing more than a spot duty slap-dick. His career play and stats patronize that argument.

Plummer? Dude is old and retired -- has NO interest in playing, so I don't know where you're pulling that argument from (although I can take a few guesses). Rex is here due to his familiarity with the offense NOTHING MORE. You can gas him up like the Zeppelin and it still won't change what and who he is.

Also, don't piss and moan about the content of my ish when you're posting in a condescending tone... You get back what you put out, ya dig?

Another thing. Please for all you old heads, STOP with the I've been watching football for blankity-blank years... that affirmation is about as old as you claim to have been following the game or team...

Just because you're 30 or under doesn't mean you don't know about football as the dude that's 70.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

NEXT TIME YOU GET TO HAWAII-LOOK ME UP!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I also hate Dallas!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

this blog have to many know it alls,I remember when a guy name Williams came and no one had anything good to say about him,but when he took it to the bowl,everyone jump on the wagon,let the players prove themself,thats what they get paid for,for all the sideline couch potatos coaches relax,enjoy the game.

Posted by: boy2 | July 19, 2010 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Bloggers let the players do there thing and see where they go,I remember a guy name Williams,people said he was to Old,but when he went to the Bowl,lotta wagon folks,relax thats what they get paid to do,PLAY REDSKINS BALL!

Posted by: boy2 | July 20, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

It seems like a lot of people on here don't care for Rex Grossman as the backup and I can't see why. Say what you will about his mistakes, he has lead a team to a super bowl. That's not possible unless you have some skills, I don't care how good his D was. If the rest of the team does their part, Rex is perfectly capable of winning some games and he's still in his prime. I like Colt more and I wish he was a great qb, but I don't see him becoming a better qb than Rex.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 20, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

http://www.csnwashington.com/07/19/10/Redskins-In-Depth-Chart-Cornerbacks/landing.html?blockID=273980&feedID=287

If nobody has read it yet, here is the outlook on corners from CSN

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 19, 2010 10:32 PM
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I generally agree with the article. I found the stat on Tryon's missed tackle versus Hall and Roger's multiple missed tackles very telling. The kid is developing. He might be pushing for a starting job if he keeps it up.

Something not mentioned in this positional analysis is how other areas will impact play. I think if the conversion to Haslett's defense leads to more pressure on the passer, then that's going to make this secondary look really good. Conversely, if they revert to the form of the pre-Haynesworth / Orakpo days where they cannot even buy a sack, then this secondary will be in for a long season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 3:04 AM | Report abuse

I like Colt more and I wish he was a great qb, but I don't see him becoming a better qb than Rex.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 20, 2010 12:24 AM
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I don't disagree with this statement. I just find it very troubling. If Grossman really is the second best QB on this roster, we need to start looking for another backup QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Rex Grossman fans as of July 19

Kyle Shanahan
Mike Shanahan
Bruce Allen

If you need a chaser to digest this then may I suggest Johnnie Walker Blue Label King George V Edition..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 19, 2010 7:39 PM
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Might I remind you that they were all allegedly fans of Jason Campbell before they traded him? Word I heard was Grossman couldn't hit a receiver in stride when they were in OTA's. That's more than a little concerning and is not the kind of performance that is going to hold his spot on the roster. He knows the offense very well - word I heard was that he sounded more like a coach on the field than some of the coaches and maybe that is the reason he is with the Redskins. Again, that alone doesn't guarantee a roster spot. It might get him a job as a coach when he hangs up the cletes, but it won't help him keep his job as the number two QB.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 3:17 AM | Report abuse

"He's really working hard to take his game to the next level," Fischer said.

Like what? Neck surgery? Shoulder surgery? Breast reduction surgery?

This Colt Brennan is a surgeon's golden goose. The guy can't get through a workout without breaking something. I think he's got skills, but I'm ready to face facts: He's a bust. Not a first-round bust, mind you. But a bust. Even if he looks great and eventually does get a start or two, he'll be injured. Just seems he's fragile. I didn't even know about the knee, and I was calling him fragile. This guy has had so many surgeries in ZERO starts, it's got to be near an NFL record.

I'm serious. He may hold the record. And there's still more to come. Bet on it.

Hell week? I don't think so. How about Hell Day and a trip to Dr. Andrews. He's already in Arizona, isn't he? Colt "Osteoporosis" Brennan.

I can't stop shaking my head. It's unbelievable.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 20, 2010 3:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm relying on the fact that I've been watching the NFL for 34 years.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | July 19, 2010 9:46 PM


...and yet you take up Rex Grossman's cause as if he were Brett f-ing Favre. Might I suggest for the next 34 years of watching football, trying to watch the games right side up?

Seriously, dude...you can like Rex Grossman, buy his jersey, hell...wear his cup over your face for all I care. All I said is that Sage Rosenfels is a better option as backup QB and the numbers support that. You, Rex, and his agent are the only people who would seriously debate otherwise.

And stop with the "he led the Bears to the SB" stuff. There is no argument in football more assinine and ridiculous as attributing team records/achievements to a single player. If you insist on that line of thinking, then the following statements are also true:

-Brian Orakpo is a bust because the Redskins won 4 fewer games after he was drafted.

-Charles Haley is the single most dominant player in NFL history...since, you know, he's the only player with 5 SB rings.

-Rex Grossman is every bit as good as Dan Marino since they both have 0-1 SB records. Brett Favre and Peyton Manning are a fraction of the QB that Terry Bradshaw is, because of Bradshaw's 4 to 1 advantage in SB wins.

-Thomas Morstead is the best punter in football. Since, you know, the Saints went from 8-8 to 13-3/SB champs since installing him as the starter.

See how it works?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 5:29 AM | Report abuse

John Clayton's mailbag on ESPN.com is chock full of Redskins questions:

Q: Could you see the Redskins implementing a two-tight end system where both Fred Davis and Chris Cooley can be on the field at the same time? The Redskins have question marks at receiver, and two tight ends could help the running game and rookie tackle Trent Williams get accustomed to the NFL.

John in Chicago

A: Absolutely. Early reports are that Mike Shanahan really likes Davis, and Cooley is already an established star at tight end. The two-tight-end formation is ideal for the zone running scheme because there is no strong side or weak side to tip off strengths and weaknesses of the blocking scheme. Plus, there are questions about the depth of the Redskins' wide receiving corps. Shanahan has always operated a strong two-tight-end formation. Great point.

Q: With Redskins guard Mike Williams out for the year (and possibly his career), do the Redskins have a suitable replacement on the roster with Artis Hicks or Chad Rinehart? If one of them is not the answer, who is out there (via trade or free agency) who could fill that gap and fit in with what Mike and Kyle Shanahan are doing on offense?

John in Washington, D.C.

A: I think the Redskins can get by. Anything the Redskins would have gotten out of Williams was a bonus anyway. Remember, he had been out of the league and weighed 420 pounds before showing up last year during the offseason and working his way into a job. Williams was a player the Redskins couldn't count on even though he was a great success story last season. Patching a right guard spot isn't the hardest thing to do. The bigger challenge was getting a left tackle, and the Redskins addressed that when they drafted Trent Williams with the fourth pick in the first round. They then got good insurance by picking up Jammal Brown from the Saints. Now the Redskins are three deep for experienced tackles with Williams, Brown and Stephon Heyer. Hicks is good enough to get by with, but if he doesn't work out, the Redskins could go with Rinehart. At least the Skins are deeper and more talented than they were last year, when they had more questions than just right guard.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
Yep, they are definitely deeper on the offensive line than they were last year. I still would like to see them get another tackle that is capable of sliding inside if needed. I am not warm and fuzzy about Heyer being the backup. The guy wouldn't even make the roster of most NFL teams...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Wow...NTs that actually like playing NT. What a concept:

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Green__Bryant_Are_Big_Men_With_a_Big_Job_129649.jsp

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Breast reduction surgery?
Hell week? I don't think so. How about Hell Day and a trip to Dr. Andrews. He's already in Arizona, isn't he? Colt "Osteoporosis" Brennan.
I can't stop shaking my head. It's unbelievable.

Posted by: Thinker


Well let me tell you and all something. I watched Colt play at Hawaii for every game he played. June Jones was offered a major deal to coach San Diego and he reused and took a pittance to coach at Hawaii.
I was told by Coach Jones and others that Colt was one of the best talents he has ever coached and he was coaching in Atlanta, Houston and San Diego. Colt has amazing accuracy, the ability to make plays happen and he scrambles. Yes, he has things he must learn to be a seasoned QB, but so did Rich Gannon and many others that did not pan out in DC but went on to be all-pro's. Colt will succeed, if not in burgundy and gold, but somewhere. In a few years, many will be saying, Damn, we had him and he got away. I know this because I saw Colt play. June Jones said he reminded him of Joe Montana.
Maybe some of you are too young to remember him playing, but in my mind, he was the greatest QB to play the game until Peyton showed up.
We really have not seen Colt get a real opportunity to play yet and I think you all should withhold your judgment until he gets that chance.
It's really easy for the worthless,k to sit back and prejudge him for they can't play but they can criticize others.
Too harsh a statement? Kiss off if you don't like it....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you RSH, but I'd like to see us address the interior of the line before we go for more tackles. If someone unexpected comes available, that would be great but we have something we didn't have last year: two quality starters at OT. I feel a lot better about Heyer as a backup than I do Heyer as a starter.

I get the desire for more tackle depth (especially after last year) but realistically, NOBODY is 4 deep at OT. I'm happy with the tackle spot...now to shift attention to guard.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Kurt, got a message for ya...Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, David Klingler, Ryan Leaf, and about a dozen other "greatest QB talent since..." players say 'hi'.

Not saying Colt will or won't make it big in the NFL, but playing at a high level in college is far different from playing at a high level in the pros. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you RSH, but I'd like to see us address the interior of the line before we go for more tackles. If someone unexpected comes available, that would be great but we have something we didn't have last year: two quality starters at OT. I feel a lot better about Heyer as a backup than I do Heyer as a starter.

I get the desire for more tackle depth (especially after last year) but realistically, NOBODY is 4 deep at OT. I'm happy with the tackle spot...now to shift attention to guard.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 6:25 AM
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See, I think you can always swing a tackle into a guard's spot in a pinch, but the other way around is more difficult. As far as guard, I should think we have enough guard/centers ont he roster where we can fill that position. We've got Montgomery, E. Williams, Rinehart and Hicks plus the center the Skins drafted that will move to guard. They certainly have quantity there - the quality of the players remains to be seen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 6:35 AM | Report abuse

We really have not seen Colt get a real opportunity to play yet and I think you all should withhold your judgment until he gets that chance.
It's really easy for the worthless,k to sit back and prejudge him for they can't play but they can criticize others.
Too harsh a statement? Kiss off if you don't like it....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 6:20 AM
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Brennan has had two preseasons to show us his stuff which is more than a lot of players get. The team did him a favor by putting him on IR last year because they very easily could have cut him based on his poor showing in preseason.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Brennan working out with McNabb all I can say is Brennan probably saw this as a way to drink up some of the spotlight McNabb is pretty constantly found in. Brennan has a lot to prove on the field. The whole blonde-haired neon-smile west coast QB thing is wearing a little thin. I hope Bartel beats him out in camp and we can finally say good-bye to the Cult of Colt.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Redskinhead-you reek with personality. Such a sweet guy! Always have a nice thing to say about everyone. Guys like you make me want to provide you with a new set of dentures but roaches like you only come out in the dark. I can't swat a blog, too bad....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

RSH, you're right about the T to G switch being easier, but that doesn't mean it'll be a successful transition. There's a chance Jon Jansen would have been here longer if he could have made the transition to C/G. All I'm saying is that I'd rather upgrade over guys like E. Williams and Montgomery than Heyer and Hicks. The fact that Hicks is a frontrunner for a starting spot at guard should be an indication of how badly we need to shore up the interior of the line.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Kurt, if you're Colt's father I think you should announce that in the interest of full disclosure. Just a suggestion...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Kurt, got a message for ya...Danny Wuerffel, Shane Matthews, Andre Ware, Akili Smith, Heath Shuler, David Klingler, Ryan Leaf, and about a dozen other "greatest QB talent since..." players say 'hi'.

Posted by: brownwood26 |


YOUR STUPIDITY IS SHOWING! WHAT ARE YOU-15, 16 YEARS OLD?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:02 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, BROWNWOOD, RSH ET AL:

ARE YOU REALLY REDSKIN FANS?
I THOUGHT PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE BURGUNDY AND GOLD LOVED THEIR PLAYERS???

YOU CONDEMN AND CRITICIZE YOUR PLAYERS-WHAT IMMATURITY YOU SHOW. YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK
GIVE YOUR TICKETS TO THE GAMES TO SOME UNFORTUNATE KIDS IN THE DC AREA-YOU DON'T DESERVE TO PLANT YOUR A$$ES IN THE SEATS.
POND SCUM!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Kurt, get a grip dude...just because you root for a team doesn't mean that you blindly love and accept all 53 men on the roster. I hate AH...but I root for him to further the cause of the burgundy and gold if we have the misfortune of having to play him.

Ask Bears fans about Rex Grossman. They hated his guts but damn it if they didn't root hard for him to play well on Sundays.

If Colt were to ever play a regular season snap (which at this point is completely hypothetical), I'd root for him with every bit the gusto I would DMac or as I have in the past for JC.

Here's where reality comes in: fans are allowed to want for improvement along the roster. Blindly accepting every player is the actions of a 15 year-old fan, not knowing where the roster is deficient and wanting better.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

YOUR STUPIDITY IS SHOWING! WHAT ARE YOU-15, 16 YEARS OLD?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:02 AM

Not hardly. The way you know someone is 15-years-old (or younger) on a blog is that they post in all-caps.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

The way you know someone is 15-years-old (or younger) on a blog is that they post in all-caps.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 7:16 AM


Or they own the Cleveland Cavaliers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

1:30 in the morning in Hawaii, get some rest Vet! You deserve it. Thanks for your service.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 20, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Let's take a look at one Hellacious weekend game featuring D McNabb and the Dullus Cowboys:

19 compl. 37 attempts 230 yards 68.5 rating

The longest pass went 27 yards.

Donovan threw one touchdown and one interception against a cowboys' defense that got spanked later by the vikes.

And this Hell Week game was a playoff game.

In fact, the 'boys beat up on Team Green and D Mac three times last season, and each loss was progressively worst.

Too, we ape about McNabb while ignoring the fact that his overall numbers from last season aren't that much better than the guy we sent packing to Oakland.

This reality check speed bump should, as intended, slow the Redskin Fan Bus of Optimism.

The point is that we should temper our hopes for the upcoming season by remembering that D McNabb isn't the cure all for what has ailed the redskins' offense.

We have to hope that the improvements in the O-line render a solid running game that opens up a two-tight end, controlled passing attack.

Donovan doesn't have to be Jesus every weeekend.

The people around him must step up for the team to rebound from a two seasons of 4-12 Purgatory.

And we certainly don't need to be put through another 16 weeks of disappointment and Hell.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

ugh...please tell me that this 'person' isn't still up here driving the colt bus...ufb...you can't make this stuff up...guys got the same NFL Regular Season stats as I do, which is a big FAT NOTHING, but he's gonna tear it up....wow....I have land for sale...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm not sure what precipitated your remarks there, but I think expectations are pretty level. I mean, there's a couple people up here throwing out 11-5 and division titles (cough* ih8dallas *cough), but most on the blog are thinking 8-8, 9-7 at best. Anything beyond that is gravy, IMO.

I'm on record saying that in Year 1, I don't expect McNabb to put up numbers a whole heckuva lot better than what JC put up last year (which isn't nearly as bad as some up here would suggest).

In this offense, he doesn't have to. All he has to do is be efficient and protect the ball. The running game will take care of the rest.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

ugh...please tell me that this 'person' isn't still up here driving the colt bus...ufb...you can't make this stuff up...guys got the same NFL Regular Season stats as I do, which is a big FAT NOTHING, but he's gonna tear it up....wow....I have land for sale...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 8:13 AM

Aren't you the jerk who used to say the same thing about Marcus Mason? "He and I are two peas in the NFL pod." Now he's a big star, you're still at zero, and so you think you're Colt. Where's the land located? How much do you want for it?

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg, as crazy as the "Colt is great" argument is, I'm still trying to wrap my head around someone actually thinking highly of Rex Grossman. Please tell me you'd take Sage Rosenfels over Rex as the backup if given the chance...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"Now he's a big star"

hahahahahahahahahaha...........good one...made me laugh......colt still sucks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

No one is taking Sage over Rex, brownie. Give it up, already.

And you can't judge one way or another what Colt can do 'cause you haven't seen him in a functioning system yet.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

brown, its like opposite day up here on RI...usually when you pimp a guy, you want to have a body of work to back it up....the 'body of work' that both colt, and sexy rexy are missing....at least however rex has played...unlike colt...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Got a little story I want to share, I hope it makes sense:

Yesterday I got into a heated debate with one of my friends about the Lebron decision. My friend argued that since Lebron isn't from Cleveland, but from Akron, why should he be loyal to Cleveland? I argued that it's basically the same place, and that you should have a sense of pride in the area you grew up in. That means supporting local sports teams and being involved with your community.

His POV was that it doesn't matter if you have a team in your city, you're allowed to follow and root for whatever team you want to. (This coming from a guy who was a Dallas Cowboy fan when we were in elementary school -- early '90s) He used the example that if I was in Lebron's situation, but played for the Wizards, would I still feel that I have an obligation?

I fired back that being from Northern VA I can identify with DC and MD -- I asked what do you think this 'DMV' thing means? It's the region that I, we grew up in. So yeah I'd have a sense of allegiance or feel an obligation to play with the Washington Wizards.

With that said. I ask the board:

Is it basic d-baggery to root for out of market teams without having a valid reason besides them winning all the time? I know many of you have never lived in this area but are avid 'Skins fans. But many of you have stories or reasons why you follow the Redskins besides them always winning in their heyday.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

A ranking of the league's DBs has us at #20:

20. Washington Redskins: If you listen to DeAngelo Hall(notes), the Redskins have the greatest combo of corners since the heyday of Mike Haynes and Lester Hayes. Let’s get real. Hall and Carlos Rogers(notes) have their moments, but Hall goes for too many interceptions and has problems in press coverage. Given that the Redskins are going to a 3-4 scheme, Hall could get exposed if the coaching staff isn’t careful. Rogers has had a solid career, but with six INTs in five years, he’s not earning the money he made as a first-round pick. FS LaRon Landry(notes) is better suited for the strong spot because of his inconsistencies in coverage and SS Reed Doughty(notes) is little more than a plugger.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-dbrankings071810

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

TWISI, BROWNWOOD, RSH ET AL:

ARE YOU REALLY REDSKIN FANS?
I THOUGHT PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE BURGUNDY AND GOLD LOVED THEIR PLAYERS???

YOU CONDEMN AND CRITICIZE YOUR PLAYERS-WHAT IMMATURITY YOU SHOW. YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK
GIVE YOUR TICKETS TO THE GAMES TO SOME UNFORTUNATE KIDS IN THE DC AREA-YOU DON'T DESERVE TO PLANT YOUR A$$ES IN THE SEATS.
POND SCUM!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:08 AM

So if I think that Bartel is a better option than Colt, or if I say the Skins should get another QB next year that more talented than Colt, I'm considered a traitor to all burgundy and gold. Your man-love knows no bounds. If Colt performs this preseason as a servicable 3rd string QB, then I'll have his back. If he continues to force throws into coverage, throw red-zone interceptions against 3rd string Cbs, and continues to underwhelm in practice then let the doorknob hit him where the sun don't shine. You see KurtShanaman I don't root for players, (for the most part), I root for the Skins to have great success and the best way for that to happen is to have the best players on the team.

Posted by: TWISI | July 20, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

"ARE YOU REALLY REDSKIN FANS?
I THOUGHT PEOPLE THAT LOVE THE BURGUNDY AND GOLD LOVED THEIR PLAYERS???"

I truly believe that most of the 'Skins are decent guys, but I root for the uniforms, not the individuals. Root for Larry Johnson (if he makes the team), a misogynous, homo-phobic ass? Or Albert Haynesworthless? I don't think so.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 20, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

RedD, I doubt you're long enough in the tooth to remember, but Skins' territory used to go all the way down to Jacksonville and even Central Florida, before Tampa sprung up. The radio market used to stretch down that far and just like the plethora of Cubs & Braves fans in the early days of cable, the Skins' market flourished.

Who else is NoVA supposed to root for? The Panthers?! naaah.

But raggin' on a guy for taking less money to try and win a championship is straight up stoopid.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Here's some of our other rankings from that Yahoo article:

QB-8. Washington Redskins: If Donovan McNabb(notes) was still in Philadelphia, the Eagles would probably be No. 6 or No. 7. But trading McNabb automatically weakened the Eagles (at least until Kevin Kolb(notes) proves he can play) and was an amazing boost for the Redskins. Yeah, a lot of fans don’t like McNabb, but history will show that he’s one of the game’s most underappreciated players.

RB-30. Washington Redskins: Clinton Portis(notes), Larry Johnson(notes) and Willie Parker: The names sound so impressive until you realize it’s not 2006 or 2007 anymore. That’s the last time any of these guys were really good for an entire season. They’re all at the end of their careers. Perhaps coach Mike Shanahan will get enough out of them as a combination to be respectable and he still could add Brian Westbrook. But that’s a big “perhaps.”

WR-21. Washington Redskins: If TE Chris Cooley(notes) is healthy, this group can be respectable. After Santana Moss(notes), who’s just average at this point, the receiver spot is weak.

OL-29. Washington Redskins: Much like St. Louis, the Redskins are hoping first-round pick Trent Williams(notes) will make a big difference at left tackle. He’s replacing retired Chris Samuels(notes). The rest of the group is a collections of JAGs (Just A Guy). Then again, the organized, demanding coaching of Mike Shanahan should help immensely.

DL-9. Washington Redskins: You can pretty much guarantee the Redskins will move down in the rankings between now and the start of the season because there’s about as much chance of tackle Albert Haynesworth(notes) opening the season in Washington as BP exec Tony Hayward has of taking up residency in Louisiana. That’s a pretty sad fact because if Haynesworth would get on board and coach Mike Shanahan would get over this idea of having Haynesworth play nose tackle, the Redskins line could be pretty good. Really, though, the Redskins would be better off scrapping the 3-4 altogether and playing 4-3. That’s their strength given their personnel and that would allow Haynesworth to line up next to Maake Kemoeatu(notes) in what would be a fearsome tackle combo. The addition of versatile Vonnie Holliday(notes) was a nice move, too.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Last one:

LB-8. Washington: As the Redskins switch to a 3-4 defense, they appear to have a great combination of outside linebackers on paper with Brian Orakpo(notes) (11 sacks) coming off a terrific season and veteran Andre Carter(notes) (11 sacks) on the other side. The problem is that the 3-4 also requires at least some semblance of pass coverage skills for its outside linebackers to go from very good to great. Carter, who is going into his 10th season, has never really played standing up. He has been an end for almost his entire career. As smart as he is, that’s a troubling situation. In the middle, London Fletcher(notes) and Rocky McIntosh(notes) are solid. Don’t buy the hype of Fletcher being some great player because he’s coming off a Pro Bowl season. Fletcher is just a plugger – a good one, but a plugger nonetheless. Bottom line, this group could be great or it could be average.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Im guessing KURTS second favorite player is Tommy Chang. Its cool though Colt could keep working hard and follow the same path, next stop Canada.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 20, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse


I am regretting selling my season tickets this year.

I mean, why cant you take an 8 week old to games?

Anyone have a good excuse to give the wife?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

I wouldn't expose my 8 yr old to the FedEx enviroment. Way to many drunks.

Posted by: hessone | July 20, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

There's a recent photo of Leborn Again James shirtless, strolling on a beach in the Bahamas:

http://www.tmz.com/page/4/

He has "Loyalty" stitched on the side of his torso.

(to himself.)

Nuff said.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

timmy chang....IIRC..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Those rankings are so outta whack I can't believe it...they must have done that before we got Jammal Brown because there's no way our O-line should be ranked 29th. The RBs are old, but at least one will distinguish himself to the point that we won't be 3rd from friggin' last. The LBs are way too high and the DL rankins is OK...it's the assessment that's all wrong. QB and WR is just about right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

d@mn

Posted by: Stu27 | July 20, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Shuttle, you have a biased opinion toward Miami, and the Miami Heat, so I really wouldn't expect you to have an objectional point of view.

And lets cut the "less money crap". Florida has NO personal income tax, so that argument holds no weight.

Anyway, my question really had nothing to do with Lebron, but to do with a sense of loyalty to the region or city you grew up in -- does it exist? Is there a such thing?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

LOL Chia...that's rich. That's the equivolent of Larry Johnson having a tat that reads, "I love gays"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

The property taxes are through the roof there. WAY higher than other markets.

My points on region loyalty were that it's tied into the broadcast range, and that explains why people like it and go with it.

Check out Vonnegut's concept of Granfalloon as it deals with the subject pretty well.

I'll fully concede my Heat bias. I certainly didn't think much of LaBron before we snatched him. But I wouldn't begrudge any team that got him. (I thought he was going to the Knicks).

I don't buy that any of the detractors are un-biased, 'cause if they were, they wouldn't really give a SJK.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"Artis [Hicks] and I had this amazing dummy call system at the line of scrimmage worked out," Cooley said. "We really had our defense on their toes. We were using small furry mammals for any kind of call that was real, and then all the dummy calls we would use the real calls for."

-Chris Cooley

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Headline of the year so far!


'Tired Gay Succumbs To Dix In 200 Metres' screams the headline.

The story goes on to explain that Olympic bronze medalist Walter Dix defeated former world champion Tyson Gay in the 200 meters at an athletics meeting in Oregon over the weekend.

Gay explained: 'It (his performance) wasn't bad, but I was a little fatigued toward the end'.

Source - Reuters

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 20, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Someone once said if they had two friends in need of help -- one of whom was in jail, and the other of whom was in Cleveland, that they would get the guy out of Cleveland first.

Having said that, I'll cosign Jordan's comments -- that he would have never called up Bird and talked about teaming up with him. He relished playing AGAINST the best.

While Jordan acknowledges that this is a different era in sports, he's clearly inferring that Lebron lacks competitive fire, and maybe a backbone as well.

and Miami?

Lebron had one move to make if he was so intent on leaving home, and that was to New Friggin York.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

"Lebron had one move to make if he was so intent on leaving home, and that was to New Friggin York"

Is this serious?? Why would he even consider NY?? Do they even have a basketball team there?? I mean, did you really expect James to play for the team formerly known as the knicks??

You do know they sent Isiah Thomas to close the deal with LJames right?? I mean, think about that, the man SOLELY responsible for single handedly destroying that franchise.....was sent to lure him to NY....its laughable...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

He would never have seen the finals if he ended up in NYC, though I really thought he'd be there for the $$.

He went to (built) a team that can beat LA. That's the objective. It's no different than the superteams we all celebrate. (LA, Boston, Detroit)

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

And the money subject is a moot point.

When you have tens and tens and tens of millions, you're not splitting hairs over things like income tax or property tax.

Lebron likes to buy fancy things.

Using that reasoning, he should've clearly signed with the Portland Trail Blazers.

No sales tax, people!!!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Did Portland field an offer? Hadn't heard of that one.

I'm a Heat, so obviously I'm going to enjoy watching them when I can - but it's nice to think of Team USA going up against the Empire in LA. I'm looking forward to that.

I'm a Marlins fan, but I like watching Strausberg & the Nats and root for them in spite of the contradiction.

I like to think I maintain a certain objectivity in sports... 'cept for prolly mah Skins.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I hate Lebron. And proud of it.

There's my bias point blank. No sugar-coding or pussyfooting.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The point about NY is this:

Yes, the Knicks are moribund franchise.

But NY trumps Miami in terms of truly being a big stage, an uber relevant venue (never mind that Miami is home to more international banking centers or shaved ice stands.)

It's NY baby. Duh!!!

Moreover, it would have represented a more formidable challenge. Depending on your character, you may or may not be into taking these on.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

chia, Isiah Thomas.....

Read it slowly...Isiah Thomas.....let it sink in....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

So, Miami Heat = Team USA


I guess those other saps (Kobe, 'Melo, Howard, and Paul) were just along for the ride.

If you're referring to the Heat as Team USA as in America's team as in the Dallas Cowboys, then yeah, you're right.

Because watch how many pole smoking turds hop on their bandwagon and scream that they remember the old days of Rony Seikaly.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

True, the Blazer's didn't pursue LeBron.

Since they couldn't entice Hedo Turkolu into bringing his talents to the Rose City, they prolly thought why bother with the King?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"I'm not sure what precipitated your remarks there, but I think expectations are pretty level."


I was just throwing' out a bone or two to get some chatta flowin'.

To me, that's what morning posts are all about.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

A formidable challenge that never got a ring. See, Shaq going to Miami and getting a ring - that was a challenge. That team was essentially nothing. Superman & Flash made it possible.

But Shaq already knew he could do it. LaBron hasn't had that chance yet.

And RedD, I never really liked him, necessarily, but I hated the "machine" more.

I can see the "LaBron ain't SJK" points (like RedD). But his decision was sound and justifiable. Now, will the Heat get what they bought? hmmm....

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Red,

Miami Heat = Team America: World Police

There, fixed it.

Seriously though...don't be surprised to see the Heat come drastically short of expectations. As in, they'll get one, maybe two championships and they'll never win 72+ games.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Ok bean, so maybe sending Isiah over wasn't the best strategy for the Knicks to employ.

That much I'll have to give you.

And Dik, did you just say "I'm a Heat???"

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I can't recall the song exactly, but Frank Sinatra wrote one about New York, did he not?

What songs are there about Miami?

huh?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5391738

Clayton:

1. Washington Redskins: Running back -- No coach in football is better at putting together a running attack than Mike Shanahan. He's done it with low draft choices, castoffs and unknowns. Seeing how he sorts out the aged Redskins backfield will be fascinating. Clinton Portis turns 29 in September, but he has had a lot of wear, with 2,176 carries and 242 receptions in his career.

Instead of finding young replacements, Shanahan brought in 30-year-old Larry Johnson and 29-year-old Willie Parker. He also wants to sign 30-year-old Brian Westbrook. On top of that, the Redskins have 34-year-old fullback Mike Sellers. The addition of Westbrook would give Shanahan five former Pro Bowl running backs with age and experience. Who will get the bulk of the carries?
*****************************

Q: Could you see the Redskins implementing a two-tight end system where both Fred Davis and Chris Cooley can be on the field at the same time? The Redskins have question marks at receiver, and two tight ends could help the running game and rookie tackle Trent Williams get accustomed to the NFL.

John in Chicago

A: Absolutely. Early reports are that Mike Shanahan really likes Davis, and Cooley is already an established star at tight end. The two-tight-end formation is ideal for the zone running scheme because there is no strong side or weak side to tip off strengths and weaknesses of the blocking scheme. Plus, there are questions about the depth of the Redskins' wide receiving corps. Shanahan has always operated a strong two-tight-end formation. Great point.
*********************************

Q: With Redskins guard Mike Williams out for the year (and possibly his career), do the Redskins have a suitable replacement on the roster with Artis Hicks or Chad Rinehart? If one of them is not the answer, who is out there (via trade or free agency) who could fill that gap and fit in with what Mike and Kyle Shanahan are doing on offense?

John in Washington, D.C.

A: I think the Redskins can get by. Anything the Redskins would have gotten out of Williams was a bonus anyway. Remember, he had been out of the league and weighed 420 pounds before showing up last year during the offseason and working his way into a job. Williams was a player the Redskins couldn't count on even though he was a great success story last season. Patching a right guard spot isn't the hardest thing to do. The bigger challenge was getting a left tackle, and the Redskins addressed that when they drafted Trent Williams with the fourth pick in the first round. They then got good insurance by picking up Jammal Brown from the Saints. Now the Redskins are three deep for experienced tackles with Williams, Brown and Stephon Heyer. Hicks is good enough to get by with, but if he doesn't work out, the Redskins could go with Rinehart. At least the Skins are deeper and more talented than they were last year,

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 20, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Gotcha Moe. Just checkin'.

Damn, I can't wait for camp to start...let's hope Trent Williams is front and center Day 1.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This Guy's mom was my guidance counselor in high school.

She was a really nice lady. Kinda on the MILFish side from what I remember.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Will Smith "Miami"

Album: Big Willie Style

Choice Quote: "Water so clear, you can see to the bottom/Hundred-thousand dollar cars, er'body got em/Ain't no surprise in the club to see Sly, Stallone/Miami, my second home.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Well, since Korny did the series, I've had a soft spot for Bandwagon Jumpers... lol.

I'm just referencing the fact that they all played together there.

RedD, I didn't initially realize you were discussing with the chip on your shoulder. Duly noted.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

So, Miami Heat = Team USA


I guess those other saps (Kobe, 'Melo, Howard, and Paul) were just along for the ride.

If you're referring to the Heat as Team USA as in America's team as in the Dallas Cowboys, then yeah, you're right.

Because watch how many pole smoking turds hop on their bandwagon and scream that they remember the old days of Rony Seikaly.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 9:56 AM |

Oh you're right about that. Them Heats are for sure the next "America's Team." I can't wait to see how many Heat jerseys show up out here in Orange County. Haven't been here long but they sure do love some Lakers here. Wonder what sort of pull that Miami trio will pull here. It'll be like seeing Dallas Brokeback jerseys in Fairfax. Pathetic.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 20, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

If you're referring to the Heat as Team USA as in America's team as in the Dallas Cowboys, then yeah, you're right.

Because watch how many pole smoking turds hop on their bandwagon and scream that they remember the old days of Rony Seikaly.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Awesome.

This is about right.

I'm imagining white suburban kids the world over, claiming allegiance to the Miami Heat.

Of course these kids will be from 2,000 miles away from Florida, and have never actually been to Miami.

They are getting their authentic James# 6 jerseys ready, to match with their red/black circa 1997 Jordans.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, Chia. I used to play for the Heat. I'm a Heat. The name is so ridiculous that it's fun to employ in the same vernacular as other team names.

(I'm a Redskin... i.e. I'm a Heat)

In the "O"rena, the announcer would always yell "Heat Ball"... which w/ the bad PA always sounded like "Meatball".... lulz.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure there'll be plenty of new fans, like when mah 'Canes were kicking SJK...

But I think it might be more limited this time around, mainly 'cause of the backlash to "The Decision".

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Awesome, Red. I love MILFs...

Didn't realize Shiancoe was a local product. The DMV sure does churn out some top shelf NFL talent...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

scamp, there was an article on why there are so many Dallas fans in this area written a few years back. I've been searching for it all morning but can find it. It was really good... Someone left a comment about most people having an inferiority complex and are scared to associate themselves with a struggling team, IMO that couldn't be more of the truth with a lot of Cowboys fans....


Shuttles, I have no issue with Wade or Bosh, or the Heat franchise... Just and only Lebron... I used to like those jerseys back in the '90s and loved watching them play the Knicks in the playoffs.


iH8, that last part hilarious. Probably will be the patent leather joints. Which is sure to make Lebron cry and piss like a little girl sense he can't ever get any love from Micheal Jordan.

Jordan's somewhat dissed him twice in the last month.

Jordan doesn't like Lebron. And for Lebron it hurts his khunt muscle. He's always sought validation from Jordan.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Lol, RedD

If he chokes in mah towne like he did in CleavageLand, I'll hate him w/ a passion, too!

LaBron is no Jordan. I'm sure his Airness doesn't take kindly to the "King" talk, esp. w/ nothing to back it up...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

scamp, there was an article on why there are so many Dallas fans in this area written a few years back. I've been searching for it all morning but can find it. It was really good... Someone left a comment about most people having an inferiority complex and are scared to associate themselves with a struggling team, IMO that couldn't be more of the truth with a lot of Cowboys fans....

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 10:37 AM

Only problem there is that Dallas has been struggling for a while too. I believe the main issue is that people are straight glamour hounds and the Dallas Brokebacks are more glamorous than the are tough. They're like the Motley Crue or Poison of football.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 20, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

@Dik The 2006 Heat were just Shaq and Wade? SMH. What standard are you using? Antoine Walker was a pretty good player for them that season. Jason Williams, Haslem, Zo, Payton and Posey. Even Derek Anderson was a solid contributor. What are you talking about "Wade and Shaq"? That was a very good NBA team.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

iH8, that last part hilarious. Probably will be the patent leather joints. Which is sure to make Lebron cry and piss like a little girl sense he can't ever get any love from Micheal Jordan.

Jordan's somewhat dissed him twice in the last month.

Jordan doesn't like Lebron. And for Lebron it hurts his khunt muscle. He's always sought validation from Jordan.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

You know it's going to be those fresh to death patent leather ones.

With a James jersey that looks more like a cocktail dress.

To make the suburban white boy outfit complete, you must add two gaudy fake diamond earrings. You can usually find these at a mall kiosk, being sold by a man of Middle Eastern heritage.

These help to turn the swag on, and also when the light hits them, it attracts possible mates.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Red, I've heard from some old heads that the reason for so many Dallas fans in the D.C. area has more to do with Dallas being one of the first teams to integrate and the Skins being dead last. I'm sure there's some truth to the inferiority complex theory, but I've heard that the race issue is the more common reason.

I mean, look at LeBron. Dude is a Yankees/Cowboys fan born and bred in Ohio. Frontrunner thru and thru (which is more reason no one should be surprised by him going to Miami to piggyback a title).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Skip Bayless is all over Redskin jock this year...he's calling us a playoff contender and says McNabb will have a "rebirth under Shanahan"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Learned, that same team did nothing the next season.

They barely squeaked by to get to the finals in the first place. Dallas would say they didn't even win it.

It was only the blind exuberance of a rookie and the tenacity of the staid vet that allowed the victory.

The other guys played their parts well, but this team was no Mavericks, Knicks, Celtics or Rockets, Pistons or Lakers.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Regarding Brennan working out with McNabb all I can say is Brennan probably saw this as a way to drink up some of the spotlight McNabb is pretty constantly found in. Brennan has a lot to prove on the field. The whole blonde-haired neon-smile west coast QB thing is wearing a little thin. I hope Bartel beats him out in camp and we can finally say good-bye to the Cult of Colt.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Redskinhead-you reek with personality. Such a sweet guy! Always have a nice thing to say about everyone. Guys like you make me want to provide you with a new set of dentures but roaches like you only come out in the dark. I can't swat a blog, too bad....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 6:48 AM
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So, am I a sweet guy or a cockroach? And I appreciate your offer to provide me with some, but thanks, I don't need dentures. You clearly have a problem with anyone who disagrees with you. Good luck with that. I'll root for any Redskin that has shown he can man up and play the game, but your man-love for Colt Brennan is unearned and totally unjustified. Assuming that just because a player was good in college means he will be good in the NFL is a bad assumption. Furthermore, assuming June Jones would know what a good quarterback looks like is an even worse assumption. Don't take my word about it. Here's a little tidbit about your man June Jones who was the coach of the Chargers when Ryan Leaf was drafted:

"I've known Peyton Manning for a long time and I really love the kid. But when I went and watched Ryan Leaf workout he was impressive. I came away excited about coaching Ryan Leaf. He is going to be a franchise guy."
-Former Chargers head coach June Jones in 1998

So that proves it, Shanaman. You are nuckin' futs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 20, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Why would Jordan like LeBron in the first place?

Jordan didn't make Laney High School's Varsity team.

LeBron was being jettisoned around by ADIDAS when most kids are taking drivers ed.

Jordan was selected behind Sam Bowie.

James was #1, (by the way Wade should have been 1)

His Airness earned that name.

LeBron was handed his name. I refuse to reference him as "the K-word".

Why does LeBron not understand why he will never get respect from Michael?

They are on the opposite end of the spectrum in every way.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Brownie, I can confirm that. I had a 71 year old African American patient during the 2009 season that would talk SJK about the skins every chance he got. His team was Dallas. I asked him why, and integration was the reason. He was still really, really passionate about hating the skins.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I used to play for the Heat.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 10:25 AM

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For reals?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 20, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Skip Bayless is all over Redskin jock this year...he's calling us a playoff contender and says McNabb will have a "rebirth under Shanahan"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I've always respected Skip Bayless' opinion.

However I do hate Colin Cowherd.

(In Seinfeld voice) "Cowherd"

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Very busy (as usual lately) at work again, but my quick three cents on the whole frontrunner thing:
- Lots of cowboys and steelers fans in their late 30’s ear;y 40’s because growing up in the 70’s in the DMV there was the Skins on at one and pretty much always either the Dallas vs whoever game or steelers vs whoever at 4. Sometimes both. Skins didn’t do much of anything so a lot of kids who wanted to root for a winner (frontrunning, yes) associated themselves with those 2 teams.
- Probably a race/integration thing with older fans, but anyone under 50 probably wouldn’t kbnow about it.
- Can’t say the same for misplaced Yankees fans, that frontrunning pure and simple. Although for a while it was considered cool to be a yanks fan and wear their gear. I think the Red Sox have taken that over though. Never seen so many Red Sox hats in my life. Went to Disney last January and it was just Sox hats everywhere.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 20, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@Dik Com'on son. They struggled the next year because all those old guys were a year older (Shaq was done) and missed a lot of games due to injury. Even Wade missed a lot of games that season. I don't at all understand the comparison to the teams you listed.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

RLB, that's some true SJK right there!

And yes, Chia - I played for the Heat.

Now. Ask me what I played.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Boy, Skip Bayless is all over Redskin jock this year...he's calling us a playoff contender and says McNabb will have a "rebirth under Shanahan"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:53 AM

Skip Clueless obviously hasn't consulted with Mista Moe yet. That'll fix 'em.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 20, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

LH1 - I was saying those teams had longevity with multiple stars, like the current Heat squad can be.

The '06 squad was a patchwork with only two active stars, one playing out of his mind and the other taking advantage of his experience...

And the initial point I was making was in that LeBron going to NY would have been fruitless, beyond "a challenge", an impossible dream.

Shaq going to win in Miami surrounded by question marks was "a challenge"... one he met.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you ih8...Skip is a raging dick, but he's right more often than not. A pro-Redskins prediction from him is a pretty big deal coming from him since he's on Cowboy jock pretty regularly. Here's hoping he's right regarding our Redskins...

And co-sign on Cowturd as well. Death is too good for that @sshole. I f-ing hate that d-bag more than any other talking head ESPN has to offer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

LMAO!

iH8 is in full lunch mode today... funny ish, dude! I can't even front though, I had a pair of cubic Z's..

brown, the integration thing is the reason the article gave for all the Dallas "fandom" around here. I can sort of buy that, but it gives no explanation for the current generation.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

"Fight for Old DC" replaced "Fight for Old Dixie" in the team's fight song. The Skins were not only the last team to integrate, the owner was a rabid racists who wanted to keep blacks out of the NFL. The Skins were the Team of South because of its anti-integration policy. My junior high shop teacher hated the Skins and said it was because of the the team's racist history. For people like him, who better to root for than the hated rival. A lot of kids like who their parents like.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV, I know you live on the Southside, but you went to T.C. Williams correct? Do you happen to know Dominque Wimbush? He graduated in 1998 or 99. He was a star football running back, and played BB as well.

Posted by: dbailey211 | July 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

iH8 is in full lunch mode today... funny ish, dude! I can't even front though, I had a pair of cubic Z's..

brown, the integration thing is the reason the article gave for all the Dallas "fandom" around here. I can sort of buy that, but it gives no explanation for the current generation.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I can't lie. When I was 17 I was rocking R.Kelly Cubes, straight from the Piercing Pagoda.

Sometimes I had to switch them out for the sterling silver hoops.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Men should not wear hoop earrings of any type and size, especially in both ears, at anytime.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Clothing styles come and go but you will always have cred if you only drink out of a chalice.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Clothing styles come and go but you will always have cred if you only drink out of a chalice.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

the integration thing is the reason the article gave for all the Dallas "fandom" around here. I can sort of buy that, but it gives no explanation for the current generation.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 11:13 AM


Dallas "fans" from that era beget children who also grow up with that unfortunate affiliation. That, and guys our age (I'm assuming you're in my general age bracket...I'm 30) grew up during the Cowboys hey-day in the early-mid 90s. So between having Cowboy fans as parents and the general d-baggery that is bandwagoning, I figure that makes up the vast majority of the Cowboy fans in the D.C. area.

Trust me...for awhile I looked everywhere for a Dallas fan that was either from Texas or got into the team before 1992. Nothing. I would have had better luck looking for dinosaurs or a Kardashian that has never f*cked an athlete...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It's all a little suspect to me. Face jewelry... tats... nipple rings...

...eegh.

BROWARD!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Men should not wear hoop earrings of any type and size, especially in both ears, at anytime.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse


...unless they are pirates. Then it's cool.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I had no horse going into this, but just because I'd never done the side by side previously, I had to know...

Rex:
http://www.nfl.com/players/rexgrossman/careerstats?id=GRO597298

Sage:
http://www.nfl.com/players/careerstats?id=ROS396938

Looking at the numbers (and post-season appearances) I'm not so sure I'd be more comfy with Sage over Rex if McNabb were unavailable to play.

Now don't get me wrong, I think Sage would be a great backup and a fair to middling or better starter almost anywhere (including Washington).

But looking at the big picture:

Rex: Has 3 more TDs in two less years than Sage.

Rex has only 3 more INTs in those two LESS years (in the LEAGUE) than Sage.

Rex has SB starting experience, and don't forget, Rex made 480 attempts in in 2006 season.

480. For a little perspective, that's just under half of Jason Campbell's CAREER total (1,002 yards going into this his 6th season).

That's TWICE the attempts of Rosenfels' highest single season attempt total.

That alone underscores that it is a nigh MIRACLE that Rex only has 36 CAREER INTs with a season of that many attempts in it.

Neither guy is a dominant presence (beat out other QBs to make the job theirs alone) or an "Iron Man" durability wise.

Sage has career highs of starting 9 games (2007) and 6 games (2008) in a season, Rex has highs of a 16 (2006) and an 8 (2007).

Sage is overall more accurate but, in two MORE seasons, has only (just under) half the number of total attempts Rex has.

Sage's per pass yardage average is ONE yard better than Rex's, but Sage's average yards per game are also about 37 LESS than Rex's.

Sage also has fewer passes of 20+ yards (by 40) than Rex, and has fewer passes of over 40+ than Rex as well [by only 4, but those four = 25% fewer in comparison].

Sage has a much better QB rating both season to season, and overall.

However, lots of QBs can have nice QB ratings but don't win games.

Rex also has over 2,000 more passing yards in two less seasons (IN THE LEAGUE, mind you, not just two less as a starter, two less) in the league.

The most VAST difference between the two is in their respective sack totals. There Sage has the CLEAR advantage. He is sacked about 1/3 the amount Rex is.

How much of that is O-line quality, each opposing Defense's quality, and how much QB...I'd have to look at LOTS more film to judge.

Just thought I'd float that out there...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | July 20, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The Skins were not only the last team to integrate, the owner was a rabid racists who wanted to keep blacks out of the NFL.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:13 AM


I've actually heard from football historians that this is a misnomer...they say that George Preston Marshall wasn't a racist per se, just a stubborn d-bag that didn't like to be told by the league what to do. So being last to integrate wasn't actually a racist act, but rather a protest over being told what color his players should be.

I wasn't alive then so I have no idea. Just offering up what I've heard from some reliable sources.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Men should not wear hoop earrings of any type and size, especially in both ears, at anytime.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse


...unless they are pirates. Then it's cool.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

lmao@brownie

Chia - you never took the bait.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"Fight for Old DC" replaced "Fight for Old Dixie" in the team's fight song. The Skins were not only the last team to integrate, the owner was a rabid racists who wanted to keep blacks out of the NFL.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:13 AM

HTTR was not originally very kind to Native Americans, either. These words:

Scalp em, Swamp em,
We will take em big score !
Read em, Weep em Touchdown,
We want heaps more !

Were replaced by these words:

Run or pass and score,
We want a lot more !
Beat em, Swamp em, Touchdown,
Let the points soar !

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Dallas "fans" from that era beget children who also grow up with that unfortunate affiliation. That, and guys our age (I'm assuming you're in my general age bracket...I'm 30) grew up during the Cowboys hey-day in the early-mid 90s. So between having Cowboy fans as parents and the general d-baggery that is bandwagoning, I figure that makes up the vast majority of the Cowboy fans in the D.C. area.
Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I was 8 when Washington won their last Superbowl.

Then I remember Dallas being really good after that.

My next door neighbor, same age, never been anywhere near Texas, is suddenly rocking Dallas Starter jackets.

So yes, this is the kind of d-baggery most of us are familiar with.

That same guy is now a Chargers fan, I saw it on his FB page.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Apologies, I mistyped, "(1,002 yards going into this his 6th season).", should read ATTEMPTS not yardage (10,000).

Thanks.

Feel free to flame away over a typo instead of paying attention to the facts...that the interwebs' way :)

Posted by: ThinkingMan | July 20, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:31 AM

I don't know who your sources are but that's some revisionist history. Blacks didn't play in the NFL between 1934 and 1945 because of Marshall. He was a racist. Plain and simple.

"Joe Lillard did not return to the Cardinals in 1934 nor were any black rookies signed. That season began a string of twelve seasons in which the NFL had no black players. In 1946 the Los Angeles Rams reintegrated the NFL with the signings of Woody Strode and Ken Washington. That same year, the brand new All-America Football Conference opened its first season with black players Willis and Motley of the Cleveland Browns." http://www.profootballhof.com/history/release.aspx?release_id=1379

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

ThinkingMan, good stuff but I respectfully (and wholeheartedly) disagree. You overlook two very key points in your analysis:

1) Rex has two more years in the league, but the total games aren't much different.
Sage has played in 32 games, Rex has played in 37 games. I'll grant you that Rex has the advantage in starts (31 to 12), but about half of those starts came in one year (2006--the only time Rex managed to play 16 games).

2) Rex has actually thrown 7 more career picks than Sage (36 to 29). And it's not just picks with Rex, it's turnovers. I broke it down here yesterday...46 career turnovers in just 37 games. That's just awful. Sage isn't great with 34 TOs in 32 games, but it's not as epic awful as Rex.

I think you're also putting too much stock in quantity over quality. I mean, by your logic, Brad Johnson is better than Phil Rivers or Aaron Rodgers because he's got bigger numbers in more years of playing. Not true.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Wednesday, July 21 at 8pm, NFL Network, 1991 Washington Redskins....just sayin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

And co-sign on Cowturd as well. Death is too good for that @sshole. I f-ing hate that d-bag more than any other talking head ESPN has to offer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What is it about that guy that I hate so much? Why does everyone else hate him, is it like Wilbon after ST21 died?

Mine is a totally irrational hatred, from the first moment I heard his voice and before he had fully articulated his totally erroneous opinion and revealed the full extent of his d-baggery. Scamp, I know you dislike but don't hate anyone per se, but I think I hate this dude...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

RedDMV, I know you live on the Southside, but you went to T.C. Williams correct? Do you happen to know Dominque Wimbush? He graduated in 1998 or 99. He was a star football running back, and played BB as well.

Posted by: dbailey211

Fo 'sho... Awwwwwww Soufside!!!

I know the name but can't say I know of homie personally. I know I went to school with a few of his relatives. There are a TON of Wimbushes in Alexandria... They're like the Talberts but not as big...

Come to think of it Bailey is a popular surname in the Alexandria area, are you any relation to Chris?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

On Grossman and Rosenfels. Neither is a whole lot better than the other and neither is going to take you anywhere without all conditions being just about perfect. I'd give the advantage to Rex as a back up because he has played in more big games and despite the verbal beating he takes remains supremely confident in himself. I don't think Sage could beat out Tarvaris Jackson that's why the Vikes hustled for Favre.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

DVR, 7-21-10, 8:00....check. Thanks, beaner.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

As I said, lh...I have no idea since I wasn't born yet, so I defer to those who were around the league at that time. I can't remember the name of the guy I got that Marshall tidbit from, but it was a football historian widely considered to be unbiased, who didn't have ties to Washington.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

would be kind of nice if the dbags at WAPO would pull together a nice breakdown of the hottest battles for the preseason, who we should be looking for, etc...instead of the constant AH crap.

I cant wait for football season...only crap that makes me mad is that i Cant get DirectTV in Charlotte, cuz I aint got not line of sight...almost beat the DirectTV guy up in my back yard when he told me...no Sunday ticket.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 20, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Re: Shame of the past, and Mr. George Preston Marshall his attitudes, and his "legacy"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Preston_Marshall

and

http://www.examiner.com/x-450-Washington-Redskins-Examiner~y2009m6d2-The-Fight-for-Old-DC?#comments

[Part 1 of a 3 parter]

Posted by: ThinkingMan | July 20, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Romo, I'm probably in the same category...the first time I heard his voice, I wanted to shove a knife in it. Then take into account he throws out the most assinine positions on just about every topic, then argues said position in total absolutes a la Sean Salisbury. There is literally nothing good I could say about him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"I've actually heard from football historians that this is a misnomer...they say that George Preston Marshall wasn't a racist per se, just a stubborn d-bag that didn't like to be told by the league what to do."

LOL I guess you could say the same thing about the Confederacy. They weren't racists, just thought an American ought to have the right to buy and sell black folk...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

IMO George Preston Marshall is a prime example of a classic type: the racist who is convinced he isn't a racist.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap, iH8 is in rare form... Starter jackets?!?!?!?!

I had a Charlotte Hornets starter jacket! I loved that jacket. All you'd see in the early '90s were Bulls and Cowboy starter jackets.

Cowherd is deserving by death of "The Five Pains".

Has a lot to do with his stupid ass comments in the wake of Taylor's death, but I generally had a strong dislike for the guy before then.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Colin Cowherd just reminds me of the guy that needs the shiz kicked out of him.

His voice, his opinion, his slants on meaningless stuff. it's all bad.

Who saw or heard this guy and thought, "Hey, now he should be on the radio or TV.".....Helen Keller maybe?

I do like Money and Petros, and the Sklar Bros.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | July 20, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"There are a TON of Wimbushes in Alexandria... They're like the Talberts but not as big...

Come to think of it Bailey is a popular surname in the Alexandria area, are you any relation to Chris?"


Red, I am related to most of the Wimbushes in Alexandria (Mom's side of the fam). So, you know the Talberts I see. I could be related to Chris Bailey, not sure, I have so many younger relatives that I haven't met, since I was gone for 20 years in the Army. You might also know the Traynhams that use to live in the New Projects back in the day, they're my folks too.

Posted by: dbailey211 | July 20, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow Samson...you gotta know that's apples and oranges. I mean, the 1860s vs. the 1960s? You gotta know just a few things happened over the course of 100 years, right?

Again...not saying that Marshall wasn't a racist, just saying what I heard.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I had a Charlotte Hornets starter jacket!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 12:08 PM


You and about 80% of the teenage population between 1991 and 1996. I'm pretty sure teal was just a hot accessory back then.

Funny thing is, those same jackets are now the hand-me-downs you see some of the low income Hispanics in Takoma Park wearing today.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Cowturd is on the XM ESPN channel and it kills me, then yesterday was fishing for something to watch and caught some horrible show on ESPN with an ugly chick...awful all the way around.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

There is literally nothing good I could say about him.

Posted by: brownwood26

He works with Michelle Beadle.

That's it.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I had a Raiders Starter jacket, sadly I also had the pinstripes starter overalls they were selling, awful

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 20, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap, iH8 is in rare form... Starter jackets?!?!?!?!

I had a Charlotte Hornets starter jacket! I loved that jacket. All you'd see in the early '90s were Bulls and Cowboy starter jackets.

Cowherd is deserving by death of "The Five Pains".

Has a lot to do with his stupid ass comments in the wake of Taylor's death, but I generally had a strong dislike for the guy before then.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I was born in VA, but moved to NC when I was young.

if you didn't have the Hornets Starter jacket, you were officially a loser.

Then came the ADIDAS jackets, if anybody remembers thoughs.

But yeah, I would rock the Hornets jacket, then when class got quiet I would let the air out of my Reebok Pumps.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"Cowherd is deserving by death of 'The Five Pains"'

He deserves the strawberry shortcake treatment:

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155757/?searchterm=strawberry+shortcake

All right y'all, lets run into the forest and find some AIDS!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, those same jackets are now the hand-me-downs you see some of the low income Hispanics in Takoma Park wearing today.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

That and fake Cowboys jerseys. The ones that are blue and silver, don't have a name on the back, but you can tell it's Dallas.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

For all of the flawed personnel moves that have taken place in the last 5 years with this team, I think the use of Antwaan Randle-El is at the top of my list. No other team would allow him to perform the way he did on punt returns and keep him back there, and the Steelers won't tolerate it and he knows that.

For Zorn to continue to have that idiot returning punts with NO production was assanine!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Randle-El was the worst, EVER!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Rick, It's almost as if he (Zoron) was TRYING to fail.

... maybe he knew about his impending departure since the bye week, too.


Posted by: DikShuttle | July 20, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Randle-El was the worst, EVER!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:56 PM |

If that were true, this franchise would be blessed. Brandon Lloyd ring a bell? ARE was alright.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Randle-El was the worst, EVER!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:56 PM |

If that were true, this franchise would be blessed. Brandon Lloyd ring a bell? ARE was alright.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I remember the Addidas jackets, had those too, while wearing sambas with no socks and pegging my jeans...god it sucks getting old.

I wore the hell out of Britches Rugby shirts and other items.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 20, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I remember the Addidas jackets, had those too, while wearing sambas with no socks and pegging my jeans...god it sucks getting old.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 20, 2010 1:08 PM

Don't worry. When you get a little older you won't remember anything.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

zis thing on.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 20, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Randle-El was the worst, EVER!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 12:56 PM |

If that were true, this franchise would be blessed. Brandon Lloyd ring a bell? ARE was alright.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I was referring to his punt return skills.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I remember the Addidas jackets, had those too, while wearing sambas with no socks and pegging my jeans...god it sucks getting old.

I wore the hell out of Britches Rugby shirts and other items.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 20, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Then I transitioned into the Jnco jeans phase.

Looking back, those jeans were horrificly stupid looking.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

dead blog

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 20, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Red, I am related to most of the Wimbushes in Alexandria (Mom's side of the fam). So, you know the Talberts I see. I could be related to Chris Bailey, not sure, I have so many younger relatives that I haven't met, since I was gone for 20 years in the Army. You might also know the Traynhams that use to live in the New Projects back in the day, they're my folks too.

Posted by: dbailey211

There is no way you can grow up in Alexandria and not no at least one Talbert. They went to school with me, my, older sister, and younger brother. And the thing is me, my brother and sister are all 6 years apart. So you know the Talberts roll deep!

Of course you know this already, but you have a A LOT of people in your family.... Seems like Traynhams and Winbushes are cousins of everybody in Alexandria. Some of my good friends are related to Traynhams... and Winbushes too for that matter, some even carry the last name.

My family are the Johnsons. Not as big as the Talberts, Traynhams, and Winbushes though.

Go head... another certified Alexandrian on the board... you made it official with the "Nu Projex" reference... Have you been in that area lately? Charles Houston Rec looks like an arena now.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Hottest Jackets of my era ('91-'01) in order:

Starter
Adidas
First Down
Avirex
Eddie
NASCAR
Avirex
Eddie


Some other stuff I randomly remember being must have:

Cinnamon/Butter Tims
Old Navy fleece/jeans
Gap jeans
Cross-Trainers
Tommy Hilfiger shirts
Nautica shirts
Any pair of Jordans
Replica jerseys
Tupac shirts (after he died)


I know I'm forgetting stuff... feel free to add, don't matter what background. I'll start:

Airwalks

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

**NBA Post**

It's only NBA summer league, but it looks like some crow feasting may be in order for me.

Wall: 23 and 8
Turner: 9 ppg on 33% shooting


Posted by: RedDMV | July 19, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse


Way to step up like a man about it, Red.

Turner is your classic great college player, but a 6'7'' tweener of average athleticism is going to get lost in the NBA noise.

The Great Wall of Chinatown is the real deal.

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

1:30 in the morning in Hawaii, get some rest Vet! You deserve it. Thanks for your service.
Posted by: 1965skinsfan |

***Thank you, sir, I did***

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

So if I think that Bartel is a better option than Colt, or if I say the Skins should get another QB next year that more talented than Colt, I'm considered a traitor to all burgundy and gold

****Just leave out the "Colt sucks" bit! He deserves better****


If Colt performs this preseason as a servicable 3rd string QB, then I'll have his back.

If he continues to force throws into coverage, throw red-zone interceptions against 3rd string Cbs, and continues to underwhelm in practice then let the doorknob hit him where the sun don't shine.

****If he would continue this type of play, I agree with you on this, but give the guy a chance before spouting off on him****

Posted by: TWISI

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Some other stuff I randomly remember being must have:

Cinnamon/Butter Tims
Old Navy fleece/jeans
Gap jeans
Cross-Trainers
Tommy Hilfiger shirts
Nautica shirts
Any pair of Jordans
Replica jerseys
Tupac shirts (after he died)


I know I'm forgetting stuff... feel free to add, don't matter what background. I'll start:

Airwalks

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Puma shoes
bubble vests
Air Max
Chain wallets
Mecca T-shirts
Throwback Jerseys
Lugz
Clark's Wallaby

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Im guessing KURTS second favorite player is Timmy Chang. Its cool though Colt could keep working hard and follow the same path, next stop Canada.
Posted by: Stu27


** No, I hate the guy! He is low-life punk**

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Awesome, Red. I love MILFs...

Didn't realize Shiancoe was a local product. The DMV sure does churn out some top shelf NFL talent...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 20, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Starting Offense:
Byron LEftwich
Jared Gaither
Brian Westbrook
Visanthe Shiancoe
Vernon Davis
Josh Cribbs
Bryant Johsnon

Starting Defense:
Darnell Dockett
Derrick Burgess
Shawne Merriman
Julian Peterson
D'Qwell Jackson
EJ Henderson
Cameron Wake
Joh Wilson
Leigh Bodden
Dominique Foxworth
Joe Haden

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm forgetting stuff... feel free to add, don't matter what background. I'll start:

Airwalks

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse


Reebok Pumps

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anybody remembers these.

Serial Killer brand T-shirts?

Anyone?

I still own a few from high school.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So if I think that Bartel is a better option than Colt, or if I say the Skins should get another QB next year that more talented than Colt, I'm considered a traitor to all burgundy and gold

****Just leave out the "Colt sucks" bit! He deserves better****

_____________________________________________

Why? It's my opinion that he sucks. He hasn't proven me wrong yet.

Posted by: TWISI | July 20, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Starting Offense:
Byron LEftwich
Jared Gaither
Brian Westbrook
Visanthe Shiancoe
Vernon Davis
Josh Cribbs
Bryant Johsnon

Starting Defense:
Darnell Dockett
Derrick Burgess
Shawne Merriman
Julian Peterson
D'Qwell Jackson
EJ Henderson
Cameron Wake
Joh Wilson
Leigh Bodden
Dominique Foxworth
Joe Haden

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Tim Hightower

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Fly Jackets of the etrod era:

Triple Fat Goose
8-ball
Stone-washed Denim (guilty)
Nylon Bomber Jackets (guilty)
Bubble jackets with zip-off sleeves.
Leather jackets Michael Jackson wore in the Thriller and/or Beat It videos

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 2:52 PM

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Turner or put a whole lot of stock in summer league numbers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anybody remembers these.

Serial Killer brand T-shirts?

Anyone?

I still own a few from high school.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

If you got into the skating craze, then you needed a Powell/Peralta board.

Everyone knows about Tony Hawk, but names like Steve Caballero and Lance Mountain would mean something to you as well...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 2:52 PM

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Turner or put a whole lot of stock in summer league numbers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I'd have rather had Kathleen Turner with the 2nd pick...she was something in her heyday...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If you got into the skating craze, then you needed a Powell/Peralta board.

Everyone knows about Tony Hawk, but names like Steve Caballero and Lance Mountain would mean something to you as well...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Christian Hosoi. If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.

I used to rock the Vision Street Wear and the T&C Surf Design.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

If you got into the skating craze, then you needed a Powell/Peralta board.

Everyone knows about Tony Hawk, but names like Steve Caballero and Lance Mountain would mean something to you as well...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Christian Hosoi. If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.

I used to rock the Vision Street Wear and the T&C Surf Design.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

So if I think that Bartel is a better option than Colt, or if I say the Skins should get another QB next year that more talented than Colt, I'm considered a traitor to all burgundy and gold

****Just leave out the "Colt sucks" bit! He deserves better****

_____________________________________________

Why? It's my opinion that he sucks. He hasn't proven me wrong yet.

Posted by: TWISI | July 20, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with TWISI here, KS. There have been plenty of great college QB's that do not make it at the pro level. The level of cb's and S are so much higher at the pro level, so just because Colt had a fabulous college career does not necessarily mean he'll do well with Skins. Here's hoping he does, but I for one will trust MS and little shanny to make that evaluation. TWISI does get to see more of the practices than most of us, so he has seen Colt perform at Ashburn. Not hating Colt, just believing what I am hearing.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

If you got into the skating craze, then you needed a Powell/Peralta board.

Everyone knows about Tony Hawk, but names like Steve Caballero and Lance Mountain would mean something to you as well...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Christian Hosoi. If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.

I used to rock the Vision Street Wear and the T&C Surf Design.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm forgetting stuff... feel free to add, don't matter what background. I'll start:

Airwalks

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 2:33 PM

dating myself, but in early adolescence a "Members Only" jacket was a must-have item...

and etrod, I did have an early Powell Peralta board, hot pink w/ a dragon, neon blue rails/wheels, Independent trucks.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Mossimo
Alien Workshop

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I've seen the documentary Rising Son at least twice. If I knew as a kid that I could have become rich and bagged hot girls riding a skateboard or bicycle, I would have risked a few broken bones.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

oops, the skate reference was for p1funk.

and need I mention the mullet?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

And y'all are some streetwear trend following bamas.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I had the Mark Gonzales board. Still sick to this day.

Can't forget the Jeff Spicoli style checkered Vans either.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

k-swiss

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 20, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 20, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Can't forget the Jeff Spicoli style checkered Vans either.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:30 PM

MOL! beat me to it, was just about to post the following:

still going back to the early 80's, need to add a few more...

checkered slip-on Vans, parachute pants, and short shorts for the junior-high girls... Daisy Duke style!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I had the Mark Gonzales board. Still sick to this day.

Can't forget the Jeff Spicoli style checkered Vans either.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse


Christian Hosoi - yes.

Slime Ball wheels - the only way to roll...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

British Knights

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Slime Ball wheels - the only way to roll...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I had those! Hard to believe that Tony Hawk is still rocking it at his age.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 20, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

BKs? O_E your bama bona fides have been confirmed. All we need now is someone to rep TROOP and the circle will be complete.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Slimeballs!

Wow, I had forgotten all about those.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I never said I owned a pair of BK's. (I never said I didn't wish I did either)

How about Cross Colors? Swatches? Beneton? Panama Jack?

Damn, you all have me rolling down memory lane now.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Pred's back in the day gear...

Coca Cola Fashion Shirts
"Run Joe" Mickey Mouse T-shirts
British Knights
Diadoras
Champion Sweatshirts

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Hypercolor

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Didn't realize Shiancoe was a local product. The DMV sure does churn out some top shelf NFL talent..."


A three state area should.

It's a nice list, but the list from Fla. would beat it every day they played against each other:

(from the top of my head)
Frank Gore
Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Vince Wilfork
Santonio Holmes
Tim Tebow
Devin Hester
Pierre Garcon
Bryant McKinnie
Ray Lewis
Philip Buchanon
Ed Reed
Rocky McIntosh
Anquan Boldin
Kenny Phillips
Jacoby Ford
Vernon Carey
Fred Taylor
Brandon Merriwether
Lauvernues Coles
Jon Beason
Chris Gamble
David Clowney
Earnest Graham
Antonio Cromartie

And this list--from memory--comes from 1 state.

You bring your 3 DMV regional team to play our 1 state team from Florida, it would get beat 7 days in a row.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Panama Jack?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:51 PM

that was what girls would wear in sixth grade... 17th St and WRV were way more cool.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Brew Thru T-shirts.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Brew Thru T-shirts.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 4:00 PM

indeed.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Slime Ball wheels - the only way to roll...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I had those! Hard to believe that Tony Hawk is still rocking it at his age.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 20, 2010 3:44 PM |

I had those and OJ's. Wore Town & Country and Vision Street Wear.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 20, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Frank Gore
Clinton Portis
Santana Moss
Vince Wilfork
Santonio Holmes
Tim Tebow
Devin Hester
Pierre Garcon
Bryant McKinnie
Ray Lewis
Philip Buchanon
Ed Reed
Rocky McIntosh
Anquan Boldin
Kenny Phillips
Jacoby Ford
Vernon Carey
Fred Taylor
Brandon Merriwether
Lauvernues Coles
Jon Beason
Chris Gamble
David Clowney
Earnest Graham
Antonio Cromartie


And this list--from memory--comes from 1 state.

You bring your 3 DMV regional team to play our 1 state team from Florida, it would get beat 7 days in a row.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Moe, How you put Kenny Phillips on that list and leave off Sean Taylor? You oughtta get slapped for that.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Moe, the DMV region (DC Metro area) is much smaller than the State of Florida in area and population. So Florida's list very well should crush it. A team made up of players from say the Miami Metro/Dade County area would be a more fair comparison.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

You bring your 3 DMV regional team to play our 1 state team from Florida, it would get beat 7 days in a row.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse


C'mon Moe...an entire state?

We in the "DMV" are talking about a metropolitan city area and some of the surounding suburbs - DC, Maryland suburbs and Northern VA suburbs.

If we wanted to, we could expand the list to include the tidewater area of Virginia - which we have not. And it would give the whole much more populted state of Fla a run for its money...

...when you factor in how many top-notch basketballerz the area turns out as well, I'll put the DMV up against any neck-of-the-woods...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If you got into the skating craze, then you needed a Powell/Peralta board.

Everyone knows about Tony Hawk, but names like Steve Caballero and Lance Mountain would mean something to you as well...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Christian Hosoi. If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody.

I used to rock the Vision Street Wear and the T&C Surf Design.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 3:20 PM |

Well, you guys beat me to it. I wire those cloths, had a Lance Mountain, a Christian Hosoi, and my favorite was a John Lucero Street Thing. My brother busted my Natas Kapas.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 20, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"How you put Kenny Phillips on that list and leave off Sean Taylor? You oughtta get slapped for that."


"...the DMV region (DC Metro area) is much smaller than the State of Florida in area and population...."

Go double check: most of those players are from Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties.

(Tebow is from up the coast, R Lewis and C Portis, Central Fla.)

But, when you get down to it, that's a population of about 4-6 million people.

Which, I believe, is about the size of the DMV.

We got a lot of guys playing baseball, too.

Truth be told, Georgia, Ohio, Texas, Cali, the Carolinas, and DMV are all hot beds of fine talent.

But if you want speed: that's a Florida thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

My favorite shorts from back in the day were Birdwell Beach Britches. Still classic today (but very hard to find). White or black hi-top Chucks or lo-top Nike Legends (white with Terp-red swoosh)were my footwear of choice.

Posted by: manlius1 | July 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's leave this post up for another week or so... so all the Cult of Colt folks can have their say about their favorite player... and get it out of their system. Then we can turn our attention to talking about prospective players who actually have a chance of making the team -- and playing a few downs too.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Big Johnson T-Shirts!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 20, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Brew Thru T-shirts.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 20, 2010 4:00 PM

St. John's Bay Rum
English Leather
Canoe
Royall Lyme
British Sterling

and

Old Spice (If your father didn't wear it your mother wouldn't have looked at him twice)

Posted by: beep-beep | July 20, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman,

Unfortunately, if you ARE correct, and Colt Brennan turns out to be a sturdy QB who makes the NFL look like a second tier NCAA schedule for Hawaii...

Guess what?

He'll be gone. Shanny still needs to find his young man to "groom" or "spoon" or whatever these ego-maniac coaches do with first rounders.

And if Colt is what you say he is... after being held back because of a couple of hip replacements, a knee, and an ankle in ZERO starts... He won't be riding the bench so some over-hyped punk can get the fat check.

Colt's days here are numbered... UNLESS... he's relatively healthy and not that good for a long time and basically turns into Rex Grossman. In which case, we wouldn't want him anyway.

I'd trade Colt AND Wrecks for Jason Campbell back. He could use a year or two under McHurt. Or should I say, "a game or two a year under McHurt."

Get ready to see what Wrecks can do. I'll give it week 4 very confidently.

Hell Week, my rear. All of them say the same garbage. McNabb will be hurt early and often.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 20, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I thought I heard Portis say he was from Mississippi.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- you just don't get it man...Civility, look it up in the dictionary before you post the narrow minded opinions

I'm going surfing....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

...when you factor in how many top-notch basketballerz the area turns out as well, I'll put the DMV up against any neck-of-the-woods...

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Durant, Rudy Gay, Michal Beasley, Steve Francis, Roy Hibbert, Jeff Green...and yes the one and only arms-toting Delonte West who is a product of Eleanor Roosevelt High School in PG County.

Posted by: p1funk | July 20, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

"...when you factor in how many top-notch basketballerz the area turns out as well, I'll put the DMV up against any neck-of-the-woods..."

I'll believe in football from that area when a college using a variety of players from it wins National Championships like the 'Canes, 'Noles, and Gators all have in using primarily Florida players.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

CP was born in Mississippi but went to high school in Gainesville, Fla.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

scampbell was a scater?

Now things make more sense. Skating is what middle class kids do. Those boards you "dudes" are talking about cost a ton of money. I knew dudes who skated. They'd tell me how much their boards cost and I was shocked. I couldn't even get my mom to buy me a REAL leather football for Christm... Uh, sorry... the holidays.

I played football all the time, everywhere. From New Jersey to Florida and back again. On grass, sand, hills, parking lots, streets, every day.

And I always thought skating was just an excuse to listen to bad music, do drugs, be a cynical prick, and avoid team sports.

Now I know what I knew all along.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 20, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Rudy Gay is from B'more.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

And PG County is the basketball hotbed. All those guys you listed except for Francis and Gay are from gorgeous Prince George's.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Why do you come here anyway?

Shouldn't you be on "my board cost more than yours.com?"

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 20, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

If you include B-more in the DMV area, you can add Juan Dixon, Carmelo, Sam Cassell and Reggie Lewis from the Celts to that list.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

And speaking of an NFL player from the State of Florida:

"Florida and NCAA officials are investigating a potential rules violation that allegedly occurred this past December involving former Gators football standout Maurkice Pouncey, sources said."

Once again, the NCAA is upset that some kid has chosen to do what it has done:

Get rich from football.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"Actually, the two most recent No. 2 picks in the NBA draft are just the lead curl in an unprecedented wave of talent that hails from Prince George's County, a predominantly African-American area of 841,315 that shares a border with DC. Nine players with roots in Prince George's (PG to insiders) have played in the league in the previous five years, and though only six are currently on rosters, that number should soon crack double digits. Fifteen locals suit up for BCS conference schools, including UNC's Ty Lawson, Duke's Nolan Smith, Pitt's Sam Young and Georgetown's Austin Freeman and Chris Wright. In the past three years, the county has produced six McDonald's All-Americans—more than any state except California, which has 43 residents for every one of PG's."


http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3775073

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

B'more is not part of the DMV. And that's just the way we like it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

thinker

"...And I always thought skating was just an excuse to listen to bad music, do drugs, be a cynical prick...."


I did all those things as a kid.

And played football and ran track.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Sweetney...if he's still in the league...

Junkyard Dog, too!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 20, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

B'more is not part of the DMV. And that's just the way we like it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:34 PM

Yeah...but Tidewater peeps try to claim it...I'll let them in, because one of their stations plays go-go music during the Friday Lunch-hour mix when I was up Busch Gardens....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 20, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

10 days to the start of the new (petibon), new (turner), new (schottenheimer), new (spurrier), new (gibbs II), new (zorn), new (shanahan), era.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 20, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

And I always thought skating was just an excuse to listen to bad music, do drugs, be a cynical prick, and avoid team sports.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 20, 2010 4:25 PM

mol... the music is still good, the drugs aren't as available, most of us are cynical but try to stay positive, and team sports are fun but individual achievement is important too.

did the whole asphalt and beaten turf pick-up football circuit as well... but I'd say that ca. $100 in lawn mowing and baby sitting money for a board was a pretty decent long-term investment.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Tidewater peeps have there own DMV - DelMarVa.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Having lived in Tidewater Va for a minute and gone to college there I can tell you alot of kids don't necessarily claim DMV, they claim the 757 area code. But they follow alot of DC sports. Most of them cats are Redskins fans, and they do like a little go-go here and there. And the station you heard that on was 103 jamz

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Go-go is popular there because of all the DC area people who attend Hampton and Norfolk State.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Tidewater peeps have there own DMV - DelMarVa.

Posted by: learnedhand1

Don't sleep on the 757, the quality of football players they put out is phenominal.. How do you think Virginia Tech Football got on the map anyway? Over half of their players are from there.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Having lived in Tidewater Va for a minute and gone to college there I can tell you alot of kids don't necessarily claim DMV, they claim the 757 area code.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 20, 2010 4:59 PM

mol again... don't you mean 804, Waxing Poetics, Carol Taylor, etc?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

predator

"How do you think Virginia Tech Football got on the map anyway? Over half of their players are from there."

Whatever VaTech's accomplishments are in football with DMV players, it ain't got nothing on the base of Dade/Broward players who have championship rings as Hurricanes.

The Championship 'Canes of Schnellenberger-Johnson-Erickson-Coker were built from South Florida's finest.

And those teams beat VaTech on the regular.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

since part of the question here seems to involve the relative production of high school talent that makes it to the next level, here is an interesting map of per-capita college football players from each state:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/articleimages/2010/20100129_fbmainmap0131.jpg

likewise for high school to NFL (click on the "by high school" tab):

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic.htm?loc=interstitialskip

clearly, southeast US (and Florida in particular) ranks quite high compared to the mid-Atlantic DMV...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

You bring your 3 DMV regional team to play our 1 state team from Florida, it would get beat 7 days in a row.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 3:57 PM

Moe,
Add an essay or math component to the contest and the results flip.

Posted by: mack1 | July 20, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

B'more is not part of the DMV. And that's just the way we like it.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 20, 2010 4:34 PM
_________

I mean this in as non-disparaging and non-insulting a way as possible, but I've always thought that the people of Baltimore have a massive inferiority complex about being so near D.C. I can't even recall the number of times in the DMV area that I've encountering sentiments similar to what learnedhand expresses. Generally speaking, it seems that D.C. natives (and I'm not a life-long native) don't at all reciprocate that attitude.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 20, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

In my era 86' to 92':

Champion Hoodies (not the cheap azz Russell Athletic ones)

Acid Wash jeans

Timberland boots and shoes

Starter jackets

Guess jeans and jackets to match

Adidas Forums, Patrick Ewing Adidas, Jordans, of course

baseball hats

cheap liquor (Odessa Vodka, Jim Beam, Ronrico Rum, Gin and Juice, Long Island Ice Tea already mixed)

40's

walkman with the big headphones

Silk club shirts

High top fades, tapers

Leather trench coats

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

In my era 86' to 92':

Champion Hoodies (not the cheap azz Russell Athletic ones)

Acid Wash jeans

Timberland boots and shoes

Starter jackets

Guess jeans and jackets to match

Adidas Forums, Patrick Ewing Adidas, Jordans, of course

baseball hats

cheap liquor (Odessa Vodka, Jim Beam, Ronrico Rum, Gin and Juice, Long Island Ice Tea already mixed)

40's

walkman with the big headphones

Silk club shirts

High top fades, tapers

Leather trench coats

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

mack1

"Add an essay or math component to the contest and the results flip."


Very, very, very, very funny.

Two of sports' least articulate athletes-- Mike Irvin and Emmitt Smith--are Floridians.

S Moss and C Portis should come with sub-titles.

Ray Lewis talks like he's a dummy sitting on Ed Reed's lap.

Miami's Chad Johnson speaks like the pronouns "I," "me," "myself," and "mine" are the only subjects in his self-centered sentences.

Them brothas are football players only, not rocket scientists.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

rickroge

That list is massively funny.

When does school start?

I went back to work yesterday (I manage a magnet program in one the nation's best high schools and train AP teachers.)

Good luck this Fall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Actually one of the most articulate athelete from the "U" was Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson.

Fred Smoot from Mississippi St. was the king of subtitles!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Teachers come back on August 16th!!!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

walkman with the big headphones

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:11 PM

the walkman cassette player is a nice touch... still wear baseball caps on a regular basis, but ditched the acid wash look a while ago.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that thinks we could have gotten one more year out of Fred Smoot...or was his salary too high?

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I hated acid wash jeans because they looked awful when they were dirty!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

moodly/rickyroge

"...the walkman cassette player is a nice touch..."


Select the best device for music:

a.) I Pod

b.) '80s boom box with massive speakers

c.) Sony Walkman

d.) early '90s car outfitted with super speakers in the truck or backseat


Moe rolls with "b" as I'm still running from the assistant principal who tried to confiscate the gigantic, shoulder carried boombox that I owned in 1980-82 (grades 10, 11, 12.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

yes it is true you can save money on your auto insurance by making few simple changes find how much you can save http://bit.ly/d4HSCH

Posted by: sancheez19 | July 19, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

If it ain't got a Lizard selling the crap, I aint buying.

Posted by: TheCork | July 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

one more:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2v443q94w&feature=PlayList&p=54C24176D12A7DBA&playnext_from=PL&index=24&playnext=2


He just needs a chance to play in pre-season. He will always be "OUR" boy here in Hawaii.
Timmy Chang couldn't carry this kids jockstrap.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe,
I know I'm going to get crushed for this but here it goes. I don't think of Michael Irvin as inarticulate. He's always seemed pretty sharp to me. I know he's a cowboy and (ex?) coke head but I think he's one of the better athlete turned talking head.

BTW thank you for the laugh Thinker, your 4:25 post is a classic. First you call scamp and elitist for owning a skateboard. Then you brag about playing football on broken glass. But this is topper: "Now I know what I knew all along." If I read this correctly, you're boasting about being no smarter now than you were as a child. You get no argument from me.

Posted by: mack1 | July 20, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Check Moe out hating on the up and coming metro area -- 202, 301, 703 -- better known as the DMV!!!!!!

Ol' wanna be Radio Raheem ol' bama...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

yes it is true you can save money on your auto insurance by making few simple changes find how much you can save http://bit.ly/d4HSCH

Posted by: sancheez19 | July 19, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

If it ain't got a Lizard selling the crap, I aint buying.

Posted by: TheCork | July 20, 2010 6:52 PM

What kind of a fool would buy insurance from a gecko on Warren Buffet's payroll but would turn down a troll named sancheez on Redskins Insider?

Posted by: beep-beep | July 20, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Timmy Chang has become addicted to the drug "ICE"and has a bond out on his person.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

Check Moe out hating on the up and coming metro area -- 202, 301, 703 -- better known as the DMV!!!!!!"

You be 'up and comin'"

We everything from an '80s tv show to the movie 'Scarface' puttin' a shine on us down here in South Fla.

We got LeBron and y'all got beef.

We swimmin' in wimmin.

We got Super Bowls played in our sunshine every other winter while all y'all got is snow shovels.

We got foreclosed mansions and y'all got the redskins' home games.

And that's why I'm jealous.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Select the best device for music:

a.) I Pod

b.) '80s boom box with massive speakers

c.) Sony Walkman

d.) early '90s car outfitted with super speakers in the truck or backseat

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 6:46 PM

respectfully choosing "c" due to portability, retro nostalgia, and the fact that my '80s boom box featured less-than-spectacular 4 inch speakers....

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I can't even try and front. Miami is one helluva place.

But these DMV breezies ain't too shabby.

But the DMV, more notably the 'V' is home to me. The 'D' is the capital of the world, and suburban MD is home to some of the most successful blacks in the country.

That's why it'll always be the best.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- you just don't get it man...Civility, look it up in the dictionary before you post the narrow minded opinions

I'm going surfing....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 4:22 PM

___________________________________________

ci·vil·i·ty/səˈvilitē/Noun
1. Formal politeness and courtesy in behavior or speech.
2. Polite remarks used in formal conversation.

More »
Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary

___________________________________________

A few words from KurtShanaman:

HE HAS GUTS AND TALENT-MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR YOU MISTA-HOMO
Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:04 PM
A HOLES ARE LIKE OPINIONS AND YOU ARE ONE!
Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 4:08 PM
Last year. under bonehead Zorn

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 19, 2010 5:29 PM

Too harsh a statement? Kiss off if you don't like it....
Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 6:20 AM
Posted by: brownwood26 |

YOUR STUPIDITY IS SHOWING! WHAT ARE YOU-15, 16 YEARS OLD?
Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 20, 2010 7:02 AM

_______________________________________


HYPOCRITE WHY DON"T YOU PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH.

Posted by: TWISI | July 20, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

Confession: the only reason I'm living here is that I never responded to a law school acceptance letter I got 25+ years ago.

Why?

I met the future mrsmoe one Monday nite after watchin' a skins v. jints Monday night game.

(It was the Theisman broken leg game. I went home drunk and angry from a corner bar near the beach in Ft Laud.)

Otherwise, I'd be livin' right up there with you guys.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

TOTD,

1 - The Post does not have even an intern that could start a new thread for us, is everyone still looking for all the secret locations that they hid Dick Chaney at>

b - Moe what your take on the USDA worker that "resigned" - I see major backpedal going to happen here

* - Moe don't you think that Lakeland, Armwood or Carol City could beat any high school from DMV

W - People who TYPE in caps should post elsewhere, we are sensitive people here at RI Nation

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 20, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Moe found list of top 100 all time players from Miami Dade area

LAMONT GREEN SOUTHRIDGE 1994
BEN HANKS MIAMI HIGH 1991
BRANDON HARRIS BOOKER T. WASHINGTON 2008
QB-JACORY HARRIS NORTHWESTERN 2008 U-MIAMI
JOHN HARRIS JACKSON 1974
MIKE HARRISON CORAL GABLES 1957
LB-TED HENDRICKS HIALEAH 1965 U-MIAMI
RB-ALONZO HIGHSMITH COLUMBUS 1983 U-MIAMI
WR-RANDAL HILL KILLIAN 1987 U-MIAMI
ORLANDO IGLESIAS CORAL PARK 1997
LINDY INFANTE MIAMI HIGH 1959
RB-SEDRICK IRVIN MIAMI HIGH 1996 MICHIGAN STATE
WR-ALDARIUS JOHNSON NORTHWESTERN 2008 U-MIAMI
WR-ANDRE JOHNSON MIAMI HIGH 1999 U-MIAMI
QB-GREG JONES EDISON 1986 U-MIAMI, WEST VIRGINIA
WR-HERMAN JONES SOUTH DADE 1974 OHIO STATE
MARVIN JONES NORTHWESTERN 1990
DL-WILLIE JONES SOUTH DADE 1975 FLORIDA STATE
WILLE JONES, JR. CAROL CITY 2001
DL-WILLIAM JOSEPH EDISON 1998 U-MIAMI
LARRY LIBERTORE EDISON 1958
LB-DAVID LITTLE JACKSON 1977 FLORIDA
DB-EARL LITTLE NORTH MIAMI 1992 U-MIAMI
DIETER MATTHES NORLAND 1967
RB-FREDDIE MILES MIAMI SPRINGS 1980
WR-MARVIN "SNOOP" MINNIS NORTHWESTERN 1996 FLORIDA STATE
WARNER MIZELL MIAMI HIGH 1926
DEMETRICE MORLEY KILLIAN 2005
LB-RALPH ORTEGA CORAL GABLES 1971 FLORIDA
RB-ELVIS PEACOCK CENTRAL 1974 OKLAHOMA
DL-WILLIS PEGUESE SOUTHRIDGE 1986 U-MIAMI
WR-BRETT PERRIMAN NORTHWESTERN 1984 U-MIAMI
CHRIS PETTAWAY AMERICAN 1985
DB-KENNY PHILLIPS CAROL CITY 2003 U-MIAMI
DICK PLASMAN MIAMI HIGH 1933
LARRY RENTZ CORAL GABLES 1965
K-FUAD REVEIZ SUNSET 1981 TENNESSEE
WILLIE ROBERTS SOUTHRIDGE 2000
RB-GEORGE "BUSTER" RHYMES NORTHWESTERN 1980 OKLAHOMA RB/WR
C-WILMORE RITCHIE EDISON 1971 U-MIAMI
ANTREL ROLLE SOUTH DADE 2001
WR-OMAR ROLLE NORLAND 1994 U-MIAMI
DB-SAMARI ROLLE MIAMI BEACH 1994 FLORIDA STATE
QB-ETHENIC SANDS CAROL CITY 1998 U-MIAMI WR
TED SAUSSELE CORAL GABLES 1959
QB-MIKE SHULA COLUMBUS 1983 ALABAMA
JACKIE SIMPSON EDISON 1953
WR-BARRY SMITH CORAL PARK 1969 FLORIDA STATE
RB-TONY SMITH SOUTHRIDGE 1981 FLORIDA STATE
DB-STEVE TANNEN SOUTHWEST 1966
DB-SEAN TAYLOR GULLIVER 2001 U-MIAMI
WR-MICHAEL TIMPSON HIALEAH-MIAMI LAKES 1985 PENN STATE
ARNOLD TUCKER MIAMI HIGH 1943
JOEY VEARGIS SOUTH MIAMI 1990
RB-ELLIOT WALKER JACKSON 1975 PITTSBURGH
RB-BOBBY WASHINGTON KILLIAN 2004 N.C. STATE, EASTERN KENTUCKY
LB-NATE WEBSTER NORTHWESTERN 1996 U-MIAMI
DOUG WIGGINS NORTH MIAMI BEACH 2007
DL-LESTER WILLIAMS CAROL CITY 1978 U-MIAMI
PETE WILLIAMS MIAMI HIGH 1945
LB-WILLIE WILLIAMS CAROL CITY 2004 U-MIAMI
BILLY WILLIAMSON CORAL GABLES 1958

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 20, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Moe, that ain't nothing but fate... it was 25 years ago and y'all still holdin it down with da kiddies to boot. Sounds like you carved out an aight life for yourself...

Miami nightlife is one of the best I've ever experienced. Right up there with Vegas, N.O., and the ATL.

And the weather? Fugetaboutit...

Shouts to LA and NY as well!

Big cities or regions (with something to do) is the ish!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

lol... nice setup, tampa...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 20, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I've sampled a lot of great nightlife and there is nothing better than Miami especially if you're single w/ discretionary income.

Otherwise it's pretty much the worst place..

Vegas is overrated including Rehab.

Not sure if any of these 85-95 casualties of style were mentioned..

vuarnet t-shirts
Thomas Magnum O.P. corduroy shorts
Guess Jeans
Ralph Lauren Polo shirts
Adidas stan smiths
Doc Martens
Pine tree scent hanging from your rearview windshield

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Pine tree scent hanging from your rearview windshield

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 8:36 PM

Still popular with District cab drivers.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 20, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Honorable mention to Bourbon Street.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If it ain't got a Lizard selling the crap, I aint buying.

Posted by: TheCork | July 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report a

Looks like it's me and Cork in the Izods.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 20, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

What a crap list. It doesn't have Derrick Thomas on it, who should probably be #1.

Great guy, he was in my 8th grade shop class, went on to play at South Miami while I went on to Palmetto.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 20, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Miami nightlife is one of the best I've ever experienced."

The biggest issue is the limitless supply of caramel, honey-colored thick wimmin who defy racial definition.

And so long as you have energy and money, they don't care what language you speak.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Sicwidit's Random Favorites

Favorite Redskins I've Seen Play:
1) Darrell Green
2) Dave Butz
3) Kelvin Bryant
4) Monte Coleman
5) Joe Jacoby
6) Sean Taylor
7) Mark Murphy

Redskins I hated:
1) Reggie Brooks
2) Tom Carter
3) Chris Dishman
4) Rod Gardner
5) Jeff Rutledge
6) Deion Sanders

Favorite Non Redskin football moments
1) Earl Cambell runs over the Rams team
2) O.J. Simpson runs for 200
3) Any Jack Lambert highlight
4) Walter Payton goes airborne
5) Tony Romo gets tackled at the goal line

Favorite Redskin Moments in my lifetime
1) Riggins 4th and 1
2) Joe Washington's game winning TD
3) Mosley kicks game winner against Giants
4) Darrely Green runs down Dorsett
5) Brunell to Moss twice
6) Ken Houston stops Cliff Harris
7) Jacoby pulls with club on hand

Favorite Redskins Uniform:
1) Uniforms with Arrow on the helmets

Cowboy I respected the most:
1) Everson Walls (he was great)

Cowboy I hated the most:
All the rest

Redskin I love on the field but hate off the field
1) John Riggins (honorable mention: Lavar Arrington)

The most embarrasing moment in Snyder's era
1) Zorn's swinging gate play-twice

What say you RI?

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

That's a sick list.

And that's just South Florida.

I'm sure that there's a tight list up from Central Fla/Panhandle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Damn ricky, Everson? He was like Carlos but with great hands. The only reason he grabbed so many balls is everyone threw at the slow bast.

Otherwise a great list of memories. But if you list 4th and 1 (which I enjoyed live and in person), Riggo needs to be on your first list.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 20, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

RR/sicwidit-

Nicely done..

Favorite Redskins I've Seen Play:
I'd add John Riggins, Gary Clark, Art Monk, Alvin Walton, Didier/Warren, The Hogs (Jacoby, Bostic, May, Starke, Grimm), Lachey, Manley, Mann, Olkewicz.

Redskins I hated:
Bruce Smith
James Washington
Stanley "the Sheriff" Richards
Scott Galbraith
Deion Sanders
Albert Haynesworth
Matt Stevens
Brandon Lloyd
Barry Wilburn
Andre Johnson
hopefully not McNabb

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

80's gear--the Max Headroom T-shirt. Drink it in, it always goes down smooth.

90's-- Stussy hats with the rim super bent and pulled down around my nose.

Diesel, Doc Martins aren't my thing but they're def still around in force.

Glawrence, I like your new style. Like what you post, and you're a Mizzou fan, yes?

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

ricky, Chris Dishman and Deion I get, total no brainer, but what'd you have against Jeff Rutledge? Was it some kind of bland factor or do I not remember something?

Favorites--I'd add Darrell Green's punt return in the playoffs against the Bears when he tore rib cartilage hurdling a dude and still scored the game winning touchdown.

Least Favorite--'93 to '00, '02-'03, '08-'09

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

RLB- Forgot about Stussy. I had so much Stussy swag, you would have thought I was sponsored by them.

Add all surfer gear to the list...Billabong, Rusty, O'neil, Quicksilver, etc..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...I hated Stanley Richards too.

Oh... I loved Tre Johnson and Chris Samuels

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

"...what your take on the USDA worker that "resigned" - I see major backpedal going to happen here..."

I don't know the specifics of the matter enough to intelligently comment on it.

And as that fact has nver stopped me before, I'll say, from the little I know, that it looks like some stupid racial issue trumped up just to confound Obama.

And he's taken the bait.

So rather than hearing that hey, the Prez is winning in the sense that his agenda--the one that 85 million people voted for him to put into place--is getting acted upon, we'll get a ton 'o news about a media created racial matter.

The oil well leak has been replaced by alleged reverse racist spillage.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 20, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Least Favorite--'93 to '00, '02-'03, '08-'09

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

oooh, take that back! Another minor fav is Brad Johnson body slamming Porsche, the Lions DE, during a '99 season playoff win...

night, all

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 20, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

colt brennan will not make the team this year...period! bruce and mike have know loyalty to C.B...thats why they brought in Rex.....see you later Colt! LMAO!

Posted by: mwashington | July 20, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

colt brennan will not make the team this year...period! bruce and mike have know loyalty to C.B...thats why they brought in Rex.....see you later Colt! LMAO!

Posted by: mwashington | July 20, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

But my all time favorite just ahead of Riggo is the late, the great Sean Taylor..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUN3b3iOgpU&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Seriously though, I thought I was tired of the Haynesworth stuff, but now I kinda miss it. Haven't heard anything new since minicamp. Can't anyone figure out where he is and what he's doing? How come people know what Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan are doin 24 hours a day but I have no idea how Haynesworth has lived for the past 6 months or so. Get your priorities straight media.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 21, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one that thinks we could have gotten one more year out of Fred Smoot...or was his salary too high?

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 6:29 PM
------------------------------------------
I was sorry to see Smoot go, but I think he was slowing down. Clear indication of this was Blache's attempt to move him to free safety last year. I guess the new regime said, "why bother?" and decided to move on. I guess 31 other teams feel the same way as he hasn't found a job yet.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2010 2:21 AM | Report abuse

The most embarrasing moment in Snyder's era
1) Zorn's swinging gate play-twice

What say you RI?

Posted by: rickyroge | July 20, 2010 9:50 PM
-----------------------------------------
Yep, I'd say that was an all time low. It wasn't under Snyder but another one to ponder was Gus Frerotte giving himself a sprained neck by headbutting the goal post? Heath Shuler claiming that the footballs were too slick?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 21, 2010 3:19 AM | Report abuse

colt brennan will not make the team this year...period! bruce and mike have know loyalty to C.B...thats why they brought in Rex.....see you later Colt! LMAO!

Posted by: mwashington

Another person with absolutely no idea what will happen. The more the mouth is opened, it erases all doubt of a fool. Better to keep the mouth shut rather than prove it to all.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:26 AM | Report abuse

I guess Brownwood26 got busy before 9 today... Where is everyone?

Another favorite play was ST21 running back that muffed field goal against Dallas on my 30th birthday...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

"Colt Brennan working out with McNabb, receivers"

This thread has more life than a cockroach
in a filthy kitchen.

It's been up for, what, four days?

Someone step on it---quick!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Let's leave this post up for another week or so... so all the Cult of Colt folks can have their say about their favorite player... and get it out of their system. Then we can turn our attention to prospective players who actually have a chance of making the team -- and maybe even a chance of playing a few downs too.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 21, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

By Rick Maese | July 19, 2010; 6:00 AM ET

It's been up for, what, four days?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 7:17 AM

It's only in its 49th hour. This still has legs. Next post will be about Devin Thomas tweaking his hammie at McNabb's Hell Week.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 21, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Another person with absolutely no idea what will happen. The more the mouth is opened, it erases all doubt of a fool. Better to keep the mouth shut rather than prove it to all.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:26 AM

Just looked in a mirror, didn't you?

Posted by: lxy32 | July 21, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Hey Romo...actually off work today cuz I gotta go to court to fight a ticket. Thought I'd pop in real quick and see who turned the light on for me.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 21, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

on the old WP messageboard threads
would sometimes go 5,000

I like this new version... for the most part it's quality input

Posted by: terpsez11 | July 21, 2010 7:59 AM | Report abuse

It's been up for, what, four days?

Someone step on it---quick!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe

Think of it as four days without an annoying Haynesworth post, and you should feel better.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 21, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

damn crickets.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 21, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

remember, 8pm tonight, NFL Network, 1991 Washington Redskins....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Let's leave this post up for another week or so... so all the Cult of Colt folks can have their say about their favorite player... and get it out of their system. Then we can turn our attention to prospective players who actually have a chance of making the team -- and maybe even a chance of playing a few downs too.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 21, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse


Players I'll be watching next weekend...

Rookies
AH
The One Man Gang
Ryan Torain
Anthony Armstrong
The "twins"
Colt B v. Richard Bartel

Posted by: TWISI | July 21, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse


Just one day after Kovalchuk and the Devils agreed to the record-setting contract, the league determined that it was illegal.
The contract was rejected because years of low salary at the end of the deal were added for the sole purpose of lowering the cap hit.

Should all the leagues start to rein in these inflated contracts?

Was the Baby Ruth candy bar named after the Babe Ruth himself?

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Players I'll be watching next weekend...

Rookies
AH
The One Man Gang
Ryan Torain
Anthony Armstrong
The "twins"
Colt B v. Richard Bartel


Posted by: TWISI | July 21, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse
Also please let us knpw how players who were on IR are performing...JJ, Maake, JBrown, KMoore, Rino.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 21, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Good luck on fighting your ticket brown. March on to victory my man!

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

actually off work today cuz I gotta go to court to fight a ticket.

Posted by: brownwood26


Say hello to those BJ hacks for me...

MotherF 'em every chance you get!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Has the Waspo gone AWOL? csnwashington has had a new article about the skins on a different topic daily along with in depth roster analysis heading in to camp. Here, nothing, no conversation about the roster, about any talks with draft picks on contracts, on a McNabb contract extension.......ugh

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 21, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Baby Ruth is supposedly named after the guy's daughter, rite?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 21, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Redskins I hated:
Bruce Smith
James Washington
Stanley "the Sheriff" Richards
Scott Galbraith
Deion Sanders
Albert Haynesworth
Matt Stevens
Brandon Lloyd
Barry Wilburn
Andre Johnson
hopefully not McNabb

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 10:23 PM


You have Bruce Smith on your list and not Jason Taylor?

Smith gave the team 29 sacks over 4 years... not his best years, but better than some of the guys we have now. Why the hate?

Posted by: Alan4 | July 21, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

How can that list not include Jason Taylor, Adam Archuletta, TJ Duckett, Mark Brunell, Desmond Howard, Heath Shuler, Trung Candidate, TJ Duckett, Dana Stubblefield, Jeff George, Antwaan Randle El, and TO (oh wait, that hasn't happened.....yet)

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 21, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Hate Mark Brunell?

Jason Campbell is on the top of my "I hate that guy" list.

Bruce Smith? Really?

Yeah he was old, but he was somewhat productive.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I guess I don't get holding onto hate for a guy from 5, 6, heck 10 years ago...just seems silly..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse


@DikShuttle

Baby Ruth was named after President Grover Clevelands daughter, Ruth Cleveland. Probably trying to market the candy bar without having to pay Babe for the endorsment. Wonder if any cigar manufactures named any cigars after the Babe?

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

Although I still DISLIKE $nyder, hess doesn't hold a grudge against him. It's a waste of time, and I thank all the posters that helped me along, even brownwood, although he still takes me too seriously. How's this for a new twist?

BOYCOTT HATE-BOYCOTT HATE-BOYCOTT HATE!!!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

According to the National Confectioner's Association, the candy bar was named for Grover Cleveland's baby daughter, Ruth.

In other news, former Redskins coach Jim Zorn has been selected to host a new Spike-TV reality show, "You Be the Yutz." The one-hour show will feature contestants trying to come up with schemes more hairbrained than Zorn's, with large bonuses paid to the most spectaculary bad.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | July 21, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Has the Waspo gone AWOL? csnwashington has had a new article about the skins on a different topic daily along with in depth roster analysis heading in to camp. Here, nothing, no conversation about the roster, about any talks with draft picks on contracts, on a McNabb contract extension.......ugh

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 21, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I think that the agent that reps Sam Bradford also reps two of the other top 4 players including our own TW. So really until Bradford does something no one else is moving. Last couple years the #1 picks signed before the draft, this year is a bit different.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 21, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

@DikShuttle

Baby Ruth was named after President Grover Clevelands daughter, Ruth Cleveland. Probably trying to market the candy bar without having to pay Babe for the endorsment. Wonder if any cigar manufactures named any cigars after the Babe?

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if I'm related to you?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Has the Waspo gone AWOL? csnwashington has had a new article about the skins on a different topic daily along with in depth roster analysis heading in to camp. Here, nothing, no conversation about the roster, about any talks with draft picks on contracts, on a McNabb contract extension.......ugh

Posted by: zjfr2

That's why they call it "HELL WEEK" :)

Posted by: camp_fodder | July 21, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

hess, Snyder ain't goin no where for a LONG time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Moe found list of top 100 all time players from Miami Dade area"
---------------------------
No Chuck Foreman? U Miami 1973

Posted by: InRealAmerica | July 21, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Redskins I hated:
Bruce Smith
James Washington
Stanley "the Sheriff" Richards
Scott Galbraith
Deion Sanders
Albert Haynesworth
Matt Stevens
Brandon Lloyd
Barry Wilburn
Andre Johnson
hopefully not McNabb

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 20, 2010 10:23 PM


Not Adam Archuletta, Jeff George, Heath Shuler, Desmond Howard, Mike Westbrook, or any of the ex-FLA. gator QB's we had starting under Spurrier? Theres been alot to hate since about 1993

Posted by: scottmando | July 21, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

My most hated list:

Brandon Lloyd
Adam Archuletta
Any of the ex-Gator QBs
Heath Shuler
Rod Gardner
Micheal Westbrook
Sean Gilbert
Alvin Harper
James Washington

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

I wonder if I'm related to you?

Is your last name Hess or something?

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Deion really has to be on any all time hated redskins list...

Posted by: Stu27 | July 21, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse


hess, Snyder ain't goin no where for a LONG time....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

Unfortunately, Roger that! Over and out!

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

My most hated list:

Brandon Lloyd
Adam Archuletta
Any of the ex-Gator QBs
Heath Shuler
Rod Gardner
Micheal Westbrook
Sean Gilbert
Alvin Harper
James Washington

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2010 10:31 AM

You are too full of hate.

Posted by: skinfanman | July 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

The ones I hate the most:

M. Westbrook
D. Sanders
B. Loyd
A. Archueleta
J. Trotter
M. May
J. Washington

Posted by: Stu27 | July 21, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Skins I love the most:

The final 53 of any given year. All others are dead to me.

HAIL!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Has the Waspo gone AWOL? csnwashington has had a new article about the skins on a different topic daily along with in depth roster analysis heading in to camp. Here, nothing, no conversation about the roster, about any talks with draft picks on contracts, on a McNabb contract extension.......ugh

Posted by: zjfr2

RI will continue its wallow in mediocrity as long as the regulars continue to support the lazy bastard running this blog. Jasno may have been a biased, muckraking yellow journalist, but at least he was prolific. With RI, we get fluff pieces about Snyder's wife and Colt Brennan's "Hell Week" participation once every 3 days. JReid has contributed virtually nothing to the blog since he broke the Haynesworth not coming to mini-camp story -- a story any one of us could have written months before it broke.

Just to put some perspective on it, Dan Steinberg puts up about a dozen quality posts a day, including at least 3-5 Redskins related pieces. The guy may be "just a blogger", but he's a decent writer and works just a wee bit harder than these RI folks. His Redskins sign ban post back in October was a classic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/10/signs_banned_at_fedex_field.html

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

You are too full of hate.

Posted by: skinfanman

Yeah, and so are the other 20 something odd posters that did the same thing.

Thanks, duly noted.

Do you charge by the hour or session?

FYI: Your couch is uncomfortable and reeks of ass sweat and your drapes suck.

I think we're done for the day, doc.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Here comes the "Hey It's July" obligatory post in 4,3 2, 1....

Posted by: ToddStinkston | July 21, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

likewise for high school to NFL (click on the "by high school" tab):

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic.htm?loc=interstitialskip

clearly, southeast US (and Florida in particular) ranks quite high compared to the mid-Atlantic DMV...


Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 20, 2010 6:02 PM

Yo! Under the players tab....4th from the top was one of my High School Coaches...Coach Aziz! Drafted 9th Round by the Chiefs! (Ofcourse I knew that already, but excited to see his name)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

My most hated list:

Brandon Lloyd
Adam Archuletta
Any of the ex-Gator QBs
Heath Shuler
Rod Gardner
Micheal Westbrook
Sean Gilbert
Alvin Harper
James Washington

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2010 10:31 AM

I don't hate Rod....He was who we thought he was....50/50....The Carlos Rogers of WR...

Sean Gilbert got us to 1st round draft picks.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

You folks and your 80's flashbacks, I can't take this anymore...

I'm gonna go change into my parachute pants, put on my Member's Only jacket over my (popped collar) Izod shirt, slide on my checkered Vans, slip on my Wayfarer Ray Bans and hop in my Dodge Omni 024.

Then I'm gonna cruise down to the mini mart, and buy me a couple of [METAL] boxes of Matilda Bay wine coolers and a couple two liter Bartles and James, then I'm going to go to the arcade, play some Tempest and try to pick up some chicks to go play Laser Tag with.

C-ya!

Posted by: ThinkingMan | July 21, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

You folks and your 80's flashbacks, I can't take this anymore...

I'm gonna go change into my parachute pants, put on my Member's Only jacket over my (popped collar) Izod shirt, slide on my checkered Vans, slip on my Wayfarer Ray Bans and hop in my Dodge Omni 024.

Then I'm gonna cruise down to the mini mart, and buy me a couple of [METAL] boxes of Matilda Bay wine coolers and a couple two liter Bartles and James, then I'm going to go to the arcade, play some Tempest and try to pick up some chicks to go play Laser Tag with.

C-ya!

Posted by: ThinkingMan | July 21, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

4th, those picks ended up being Lavar, and Samuels after all was said and done.

They had 3 first rounders, however that got cerratoed.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Prediction: McNaab will go down early in the season and all the clowns praising him will be questioning why the Skins signed an over the hill, used up, oft-injured QB.

Posted by: theBozyn | July 21, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm calling it now...

My "I hope this guy makes the team list"

1) Brandon Banks
2) Selvish Capers
3) Edwin Williams

Posted by: rickyroge | July 21, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@iH8dallas

I wonder if I'm related to you?

Is your last name Hess or something?

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

They had 3 first rounders, however that got cerratoed.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 11:35 AM

"Cerratoed"... LOL!!! That's funny. I'm going to have to steal that one!

Posted by: Alan4 | July 21, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

My most hated Redskins:

Deion Sanders - $8mil for 2 picks and one punt return.
Matt Stevens - Most bone-headed player in Redskins history. Period.
Shar Pourdonesh - Gets props for being the first Iranian-born NFL player even though he had no business being in the NFL.
Brandon Lloyd - $10 mil guaranteed for 20 catches. In other words, the Crown Jewel of the Ceratto era.
Antwaan Randle El - If running in a circle and falling down were an official stat, he'd be Hall of Fame bound.
Mike Barrow - At least Brandon Lloyd suited up for a game.

Honorable mention:
Steve Spurrier
Jim Zorn
Both completely clueless and overmatched.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

My all-time favorite Redskins:

Darrell Green
Art Monk
Monte Coleman
Ray Brown
Sean Taylor
Ken Harvey
Dave Butz
Ernest Byner
Wilber Marshall
Dexter Manley

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Redskins memories:

D. Green running down Eric Dickerson. This was way more impressive than when he caugt Dorsett because Green had no angle and made up 10 yards like nothing. I wish I could find this clip somewhere. It's amazing.

Brunell to Moss x2.

Emmitt trying to pitch a fumble out of the end zone and failing miserably.

D. Green's punt return vs. the Bears.

Troy Vincent blocking the field goal and Sean Taylor recovering and returning.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Redskins memories:

D. Green running down Eric Dickerson. This was way more impressive than when he caugt Dorsett because Green had no angle and made up 10 yards like nothing. I wish I could find this clip somewhere. It's amazing.

Brunell to Moss x2.

Emmitt trying to pitch a fumble out of the end zone and failing miserably.

D. Green's punt return vs. the Bears.

Troy Vincent blocking the field goal and Sean Taylor recovering and returning.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Redskins memories:

D. Green running down Eric Dickerson. This was way more impressive than when he caugt Dorsett because Green had no angle and made up 10 yards like nothing. I wish I could find this clip somewhere. It's amazing.

Brunell to Moss x2.

Emmitt trying to pitch a fumble out of the end zone and failing miserably.

D. Green's punt return vs. the Bears.

Troy Vincent blocking the field goal and Sean Taylor recovering and returning.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

How come people know what Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan are doin 24 hours a day but I have no idea how Haynesworth has lived for the past 6 months or so. Get your priorities straight media.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 21, 2010 1:07 AM
It's called sex appeal. People want to see lots of P.H. and L.L becouse they have T and A. Of course so does Fat Albert, but nobody in their right mind wants to see that.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 21, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

How could the haters miss Danna Stubblefild. Oh and Gus head butted a concrete wall not a goal post.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 21, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Who do you miss the most:
Ramsey,
Brunell,
La Confora?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 12:59 PM

I don't know, let me put their pictures up on my dart board and I'll get back to you.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 21, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice list 4th. Interesting to see who has a large slice of endorsement pie.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

beantown

"I don't get holding onto hate for a guy from 5, 6, heck 10 years ago...just seems silly...."


I still hate the guy who, after he found out I liked some girl while I was in the 10th grade, moved in before I could, and hooked up with her.

And they've been together every since.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

kaasmaster

Who do you miss the most: La Confora?

I know I'm in the minority here, but I miss La Canfora's critical analysis of redskin FO misdeeds.

The best one I remember was where he compared how most teams rebuilt their offensive to the skins.

Folks howled for days about his being a fool up until P Kendell got hurt.

The mayor, Rick, Cindy or whomever would do well to drum up some analysis or scouting about the team to keep things flowin'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I guess I could use a little La Canfora energy this off-season.

I think Colt and Donovan and the boys are pretty tired by now.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"The 50 highest-earning American athletes"


Floyd Mayweather, jr. is ranked in the Top 10 for doing something most of us hardly ver do anymore:

Watch boxing.

So how's he making so much dough?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

yeah,yeah Moe. Now is the time to relax a little, but seems like they've turned out the lights.

JLC would occasionally turn over a post to guest bloggers, which then would be heaped with hamster scorn.

Cindy's gone too, alas.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Must be all the PPV cash.
I was surprised by that too.

But it you're gonna get yourself beaten, might as well get paid.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Favorite Redskins memories:

D. Green running down Eric Dickerson. This was way more impressive than when he caugt Dorsett because Green had no angle and made up 10 yards like nothing. I wish I could find this clip somewhere. It's amazing.

Brunell to Moss x2.

Emmitt trying to pitch a fumble out of the end zone and failing miserably.

D. Green's punt return vs. the Bears.

Troy Vincent blocking the field goal and Sean Taylor recovering and returning.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:18 PM

"No Danny, NO!"

Daryl Grant dancing in the endzone with the football.

Riggo taking a bow at RFK - or busting it in the Superbowl...

Lot's of goodies.

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Attention Disorders Can Take a Toll on Marriage"

Wife: This headline explains a lot.

Husband (annoyed): What headline?

Wife: Are you listening to me?

Husband: You said I have a line on my head.

Wife (frustrated): The paper, the headline in the paper.

Husband: Which headline?

Wife: The one that says your ADD is ruining our marriage.

Husband: That's funny, in my paper it says a wife's saggy AZZ will ruin a marriage.

She storms out of the room crying.

Husband: I guess I'd better pay closer attention to what I read.

Pause.

What were we talkin' about, again?

Oh yeah, she said that if you get head, it'll save your marriage.

I hope she comes back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

My most hated Redskins:

Deion Sanders - $8mil for 2 picks and one punt return.
Matt Stevens - Most bone-headed player in Redskins history. Period.
Shar Pourdonesh - Gets props for being the first Iranian-born NFL player even though he had no business being in the NFL.
Brandon Lloyd - $10 mil guaranteed for 20 catches. In other words, the Crown Jewel of the Ceratto era.
Antwaan Randle El - If running in a circle and falling down were an official stat, he'd be Hall of Fame bound.
Mike Barrow - At least Brandon Lloyd suited up for a game.

Honorable mention:
Steve Spurrier
Jim Zorn
Both completely clueless and overmatched.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 12:02 PM |


Max Zendejas. Untouchable when it came to missing easy, game clinching short field goals. I remember the Greaseman changing the words of Springsteens version of "War" to "Max" after such an occasion.

Max!
Wo-o-o
What he is good for.
Absolutely nothing!
Say it again...

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

First Greaseman ref I've seen up here, nice! Or should I say nysh!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Shaun Suisham

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's leave this post up for another week or so... so all the Cult of Colt folks can have their say about their favorite player... and get it out of their system. Then we can turn our attention to prospective players who actually have a chance of making the team -- and maybe even a chance of playing a few downs too.

Posted by: Vic1


BITE ME!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Worst Redskin Coaching Effort: 2000-2009

a.) Marty

b.) Steve

c.) St Joe

d.) Zorn

Moe rolls with 'b' Steve Spurrier.

There's no need to explain the choice as, well, if you have to explain the obvious, then it isn't.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Favorite redskins quote:

Dexter Manley; “I’m gonna leave him suckin’ on soup bones”.

Or something to that effect.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 21, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Another Dex classic: "I'm gonna ring his clock"

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, Shaun Suisham

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 2:19 PM

In "The Battle for the Bottom", I think Max win's by a nose in my book just because he was such a d!ckhead about it. He just shrugged his shoulders like he didn't care.

But really, in such a battle, does anyone truly win?

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

moe, as I've said before, Spurrier wasn't trying...Zorn was....and the results were the same....

Kurt...enough, we get it, you and Colt had a moment, or whatever...give it a friggin rest, hopefully the team will trade him for Brady, Moss, Welker, and Wilfork, once the Pats realize how good he is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Moe: "So how's he making so much dough?"

Pay Per View. He's one of the top attractions.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 21, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

What I hated the most about Suisham was his unrivaled ability to really choke late in the game.

He could nail a 50 yarder in the 2nd quarter, but if there are less than 2 minutes left you knew he was going to miss.

From 23 yards, really?

I am willing to bet if you put 2:00 on the clock on The Bozo Super Sunday Show, he couldn't throw the ping pong ball into bucket # 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

"We want a new thread...We want a new thread..... We want a new thread"

Posted by: jiza32 | July 21, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

@iH8dallas

I wonder if I'm related to you?

Is your last name Hess or something?

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Yes

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I knew of a Hess, he was in the Navy in DC(NRL), I met him briefly. Any of you know that one?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 21, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

First Greaseman ref I've seen up here, nice! Or should I say nysh!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:17 PM

I was on the road a while back and was surprised to catch Grease on the radio. That dude is still playing the same old tires schticks like lawman and South of the Border, tuna fish et all. Talk about a guy who just DID NOT evolve. He's probably the only guy left with a VHS deck and an 80's porn collection...

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It's Hess-fest 2010!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

My Favorire Redskins:

so many but I have to put Darrel Green and Doug Williams in there. Williams played like a true champion in the big show and had to put up with racist idiots in the media. He played through unbelievable pain and ripped the Bronco's to shreds. He would be an honorary SEAL team member.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

That would be "same old tired schticks..."

whatever.

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1-shut up! You don't own this post!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

First Greaseman ref I've seen up here, nice! Or should I say nysh!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:17 PM

I was on the road a while back and was surprised to catch Grease on the radio. That dude is still playing the same old tires schticks like lawman and South of the Border, tuna fish et all. Talk about a guy who just DID NOT evolve. He's probably the only guy left with a VHS deck and an 80's porn collection...

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:37 PM

He's STILL on??????????? Dude, you must have been on the AM dial, right?

If he's still doing the same stuff, it's gotta sound incredibly stale...classic one trick pony I guess, eh?

VHS and 80's porn...cue the bow-chicka-bow-bow music!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Suisham certainly had his moments, but I never had that visceral desire to choke him with my own bare hands and watch his life fade out like I wanted with Max.

Maybe I'm just getting old...

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Max Zendejas... (que Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons voice) Worst kicker EVER!

I remember a nationaly syndicated comic strip in the Sunday Comics back then (I think it was "Tank McNamara"). It had two pannels. The first, which was captioned "what everyone else sees", showed the goal posts in the center. The second, captioned "what Max Zendejas sees" showed multiple sets of goalposts everywhere BUT the center.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 21, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I knew of a Hess, he was in the Navy in DC(NRL), I met him briefly. Any of you know that one?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 21, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

My family still has some Hess' up that way. My grandparents and father are from DC but we moved down to NC when I was young.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

It figures that we'd get the one Zendejas brother that couldn't kick.

Ali Haji Shiek was pretty bad, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"So how's he (F Mayweather) making so much dough?"

Pay Per View. He's one of the top attractions.

Then he's a rich king on a very small hill.

PPV boxing is great for the athlete, but kills the sport.

Most folks wouldn't know who F Mayweather was if he walked down the street without an entourage and the trappings of wealth.

And for a great sport like boxing, that's a sad--but true--comment.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It figures that we'd get the one Zendejas brother that couldn't kick.

Ali Haji Shiek was pretty bad, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

It figures that we'd get the one Zendejas brother that couldn't kick.

Ali Haji Shiek was pretty bad, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"He's STILL on??????????? Dude, you must have been on the AM dial, right?"

+++

No, it was FM. Imagine my shock and horror....

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

It figures that we'd get the one Zendejas brother that couldn't kick.

Ali Haji Shiek was pretty bad, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

You mean Haji-Shank?

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

These can't all be original etrods, someone's a fake!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

No, it was FM. Imagine my shock and horror....

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 2:52 PM

Ha! Good one...it has been a trip down memory lane today, let's do this every Wednesday.

Now, for my Grease tribute I'm gonna duck into stall 3 for a little 6 minute workout. "and a 1,2,3,4 1,2,3,4 1,2,3,4 switch!"

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

yeah kurt, thats what my point was....Colt sucks....there...hows that working out for you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

VHS and 80's porn...cue the bow-chicka-bow-bow music!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 2:44 PM

off by a couple of years, and YouTube isn't the same as VHS... but maybe this classic soundtrack would be sufficient to set the mood?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YyTp9swrso

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

VHS and 80's porn...cue the bow-chicka-bow-bow music!

Posted by: stevek20147

LMAO! Reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons when the new girl in Bart's class ends up dating Milhouse.

They watched a sex-ed movie with human looking bunnies... when the human looking bunnies got it on, they cued that 80s porn music.

80s porn = bad mustaches, snappy nappy dugouts, and chics with big hair.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 21, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Moodly...can't check it out during the day, but I'd rather set the mood @home anyway ;)

Red...snappy nappy dugouts f'in killed me, I'm f'in cryin right now!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Quadrupal post.

Is that a record?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Quadrupal post.

Is that a record?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

forgot to add... F Dallas.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

yeah kurt, thats what my point was....Colt sucks....there...hows that working out for you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


You are a real class act and what a great retort...You respond like a 6th grader...your just a F***ing punk.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Quadrupal post.

Is that a record?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 3:16 PM
Posted by: Original_etrod | July 21, 2010 3:17 PM

if you're looking to hit the record, there was a quintuple or sextuple a few months ago... not sure who that was?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

He would be an honorary SEAL team member.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Do you know a Mike Sandlin?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 21, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

digging deeper, here are two musical gems from an early 70s porn classic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQM07AUGufo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP1CtKl0rqg&feature=related

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I love this blog! Lot's o redskins jabber, a few trips down memory lane, a couple of guys cracking each other up and Bean and Kurt in a fist fit right down the middle of it.

The dog days o summer...

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

My family still has some Hess' up that way. My grandparents and father are from DC but we moved down to NC when I was young.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I thought that hessone was the guy I knew in the military. I thought I remembered him being angry with Snyder. So every tine I see hessone post, I picture that guy

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 21, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Someone left out this favorite Redskin moment: The Troy Vincent field goal block, followed by the Sean Taylor recovery followed by the Nick Novak field goal to win against The Girls... Classic................

Posted by: jiza32 | July 21, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Redskins ought to have open auditions for third string quarterback...

using some sort of American Idol format...

with audience vote for favorites and elimination rounds to get rid the worst...

maybe invite a few hicks from the sticks...

a couple of ambitious metrosexuals who can sing with a country twang or rock out covering some 1980’s hair band anthem...

and maybe even a few B- or C-list actors and reality TV stars in desperate need of the kind of national or regional exposure...

that you can only get by playing for loose change in spare quarters of meaningless pre-season games...

where no one actually wants to get hit or hurt...

lest they disqualify themselves from further play...

just to sell some tickets and concessions...

while waiting to be sidelined and released...

before the real season starts.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 21, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The Troy Vincent field goal block, followed by the Sean Taylor recovery followed by the Nick Novak field goal to win against The Girls... Classic................

Posted by: jiza32 | July 21, 2010 3:37 PM

Strangely, Novak was great in the clutch. Go figya!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 21, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Do you know a Mike Sandlin?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

No, I don't recall the name.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

kurt, call me when your hero/boyfriend completes his first regular season pass...until then, you've got nothing...absolutely nothing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The "On Success" section of the Post did a piece on Chris Samuels:
http://views.washingtonpost.com/on-success/what-it-takes/2010/07/chris_samuels.html

That guy keeps it classy

Posted by: --swb | July 21, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"The Troy Vincent field goal block,..."


Select the best former iggle/redskin player:

a.) Irving Fryar

b.) Jeremiah Trotter

c.) Troy Vincent

d.) Brian Mitchell

e.) James Thrash

f.) Antonio Dixon

g.) Donovan McNabb (pending)


Moe rolls with B-Mitch, a dynamic special teamer who today would excel in a 'wildcat' type format.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

http://blogs.fredericksburg.com/redskinsjournal/2010/07/21/redskins-gm-allen-is-confident-trent-williams-will-sign-on-time/


Redskins GM Allen believes Trent Williams will sign on time

Redskins general manager Bruce Allen’s top priority a week before players report to training camp is ensuring that first-round draft pick Trent Williams is among that group. Coach Mike Shanahan and Allen believe it’s extremely important to have the team operating at its first practice on July 29 as a single unit with no outliers.

I asked Allen this morning whether he is confident that Williams, the fourth-overall pick and first offensive lineman drafted, will sign on time.

“Confident? Yes, because I’m optimistic,” he said. “I’m aware that not one first-round draft choice has signed yet. I think we have some unique characteristics to these negotiations.”

What those characteristics are, exactly, he did not say. However, the possibility of a lockout in 2011 is undoubtedly affecting such talks across the league. We saw it in how the Redskins and other teams operated during free agency, as well. How does a team guarantee money to a player for a season that might not be played? Further complicating the matter is that it’s unknown whether a salary cap will be in place under a new collective bargaining agreement.

Some figures to keep in mind, though: Last year’s No. 4 pick, Seattle linebacker Aaron Curry, signed a six-year, $60 million deal with $34 million guaranteed, according to NFL.com.

Also last season, the second- and sixth-overall picks were offensive linemen Jason Smith and Andre Smith, respectively. Jason signed with St. Louis for five years, $61.8 million ($33 million guaranteed). Andre signed with Cincinnati for four years, $26 million ($21 million guaranteed).

Newly-added starting quarterback Donovan McNabb also has a contract issue on the horizon. He’s about to enter the last year of his current deal, and it would seem to make April’s trade for him more worthwhile if the Redskins could secure McNabb’s services beyond 2010.

“Donovan is a priority to us,” Allen said. “He has been everything we wanted when we traded for him—and then some. But I don’t know how to put a date on it. The first thing is to make sure that everyone who is unsigned gets signed this year.”

That means Williams, of course, and restricted free agent cornerback Carlos Rogers, who has not yet signed his tender. However, Rogers vowed this spring that he would sign before training camp. Attempts to contact Rogers’ agent in recent days have been unsuccessful.

Finally, Allen said nothing has changed regarding Albert Haynesworth’s impasse with the team. Haynesworth issued a statement through his agent last month saying he would report to training camp.

“I expect everybody to report,” Allen said.

Even Albert?

“Yep,” he said.

Posted by: --swb | July 21, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

you're arguing with someone who loves Colt Brennan and still defends Jim Zorn.

logic doesn't apply

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 21, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"The Troy Vincent field goal block,..."


Select the best former iggle/redskin player:

a.) Irving Fryar

b.) Jeremiah Trotter

c.) Troy Vincent

d.) Brian Mitchell

e.) James Thrash

f.) Antonio Dixon

g.) Donovan McNabb (pending)


Moe rolls with B-Mitch, a dynamic special teamer who today would excel in a 'wildcat' type format.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:04 PM |

I'm gonna go with Sonny #9.

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Moe rolls with B-Mitch, a dynamic special teamer who today would excel in a 'wildcat' type format.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

From Brian Mitchell Wikipedia
NFL Records
33 Fair Catches in a season

How did ARE not break that record?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 21, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"However, Rogers vowed this spring that he would sign before training camp."

Just what is CR worth?

Whatever it is, I hope he doesn't drop the pen he's handed to sign the contract.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

you're arguing with someone who loves Colt Brennan and still defends Jim Zorn.

logic doesn't apply

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Zorn needed to be replaced.
You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Jim Halpert: Question. What kind of bear is best?
Dwight Schrute: That's a ridiculous question.
Jim Halpert: False. Black bear.
Dwight Schrute: That's debatable. There are basically two schools of thought--
Jim Halpert: FACT. Bears eat beets. Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

REIDSVILLE, N.C. — A North Carolina man faces a felony charge after police said he shot his wife with a wad of toilet paper stuffed into a gun. Multiple media outlets reported Wednesday that a 38-year-old man was charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Rockingham County sheriff's deputies said he shot his wife after she returned to their home after midnight on Tuesday.

Rockingham County Sheriff's Department spokesman Dean Venable told WGHP that the man loaded a black powder pistol with toilet paper, then fired the weapon at his 55-year-old wife, who was in bed.

His wife suffered a powder burn from the gunshot and was treated at a hospital.

Bond for the suspect was set at $1,000 and he is due in court Aug. 11.

THIS IS REAL

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

you're arguing with someone who loves Colt Brennan and still defends Jim Zorn.

logic doesn't apply

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8

Zorn needed to be replaced.
You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Yeah PortisPS- Who made you entitled to facts?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Kurt...enough, we get it, you and Colt had a moment, or whatever...

BeantownGreg1
__________________________________________

The moment. I remember it well...the day Colt Brennan entered my life. He transferred to the University of Hawaii to be the starting QB and I knew that strapping young lad with the golden California smile would occupy a special part of my being. My fellings for him grew with every pass completed and every TD scored. I imagined to myself how it would be if I was a football grasped by Colt’s powerful hands. How lucky would I be? I spoke to coach June who confirmed to me what I’ve always known, that Colt (sigh) was a special player and one day would go down in NFL history as one of the best QBs ever. My joy was only tempered by the knowledge that Colt was about to graduate and that I may never get to see him play line person again. What’s worse is that Colt could be drafted by the hated Dallas Cowboys. How would I handle it if Colt wore the silver and blue? On the one side is Colt and all that means to me, on the other is my loyalty to the Redskins. My fears were quickly replaced with joy as my beloved Redskins drafted Colt. Now I can root for him with all the passion I have. I know that Colt will lead the Redskins to supremacy again. I pledge to insult and bully all who question your talent Colt…I promise.

This reminds me of one of my favorite songs it’s You And Me Against The World by Helen Reddy....

You and me against the world. Sometimes it feels like you and me against the world. When all others turn their backs and walk away, you can count on me to stay.

(I spite thee TWISI, MrMoe, Beantown Greg, et al)

You and me against the world. Sometimes it feels like you and me against the world. And for all the times we’ve cried, I always felt God was on our side.

(You'll see, Colt won't let me down)

Love you Colt

KurtShanaman

Posted by: TWISI | July 21, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Sonny by a mile!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 21, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

...until then, you've got nothing...absolutely nothing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 3:52 PM |

Just like your stupid posts.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas

"A North Carolina man faces a felony charge after police said he shot his wife with a wad of toilet paper stuffed into a gun."


Wife: Not only is your ADD ruining our marriage, but your aim sucks, too.

He shrugs and heads for the bathroom.

Husband: I gotta take a dump and we ain't got no toilet paper.

Oh, he says, getting a great idea, I know what I'll use.

Where are my bullets?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

LOL @Twisi

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Zorn needed to be replaced.
You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Point still stands. No point in arguing with the founding member of the Cult of Colt.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

sounds like a chapter out of the "Hobble-Do-Ga-Ga Handbook."

Posted by: aaronharman | July 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

eldrano

Glad to see you've returned to be the blog's gutless critic.

Let me guess, you lost your job digging latrines and decided to spend the day hatin' and debatin'.

I got a lead for you: there's a site called gloryhole.com featuring a lot of chick who look related to either you...

....our your mom.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- that was awesome

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Whatever it is, I hope he doesn't drop the pen he's handed to sign the contract.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:20 PM |

Hilarious! ROFLAARP! Why are you posting here? You should be writing jokes for Letterman or Leno.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 4:46 PM |

Ouch! Heh, heh.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI

I am so amazed how it bothers many of you clowns that someone happens to respect a player for what he has down for our college team. The fact that he WAS drafted by the Redskins only serves to real Redskin fans a chance to see him succeed and bring the burgundy and gold a possible championship in future years. Alas, the people with nothing else to do but criticize a player who they wish they had his ability will consistently post juvenile responses to another's insight.
You children really need to grow up and look at your own inadequacies.
Get a Life!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Now that he is a Redskin, Donovan should change the name from "Hell Week" to "Hail Week."

Posted by: manlius1 | July 21, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

RI has really fallen completely apart this offseason. Reid and Maese haven't posted anything substantive for months it seems. Those two must be on about a 4 month vacation. At least Jasno would post his analysis and end of season positional wrapups on other things periodically. It seems like these guys don't do anything. Don't strain yourselves on our account.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

wow kurt, thats some hard-core problems you've got there.....seriously..how about some therapy...or at least some time in a rehab.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman it's just jokes my man. Hmmm hmm hmm against the world la de la against the world.

Posted by: TWISI | July 21, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS REAL

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 4:28 PM |

It is also something that only a 11 year-old would want to hear about.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

"Moe found list of top 100 all time players from Miami Dade area"
---------------------------
No Chuck Foreman? U Miami 1973

Posted by: InRealAmerica | July 21, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse
Sorry I'm late. But Chuck Foreman goes on the DMV team. He grew up in Frederick, MD.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 21, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

H8dallas

Yeah, that took a lot of thinking.
Did you have this much hatred for Doug Williams also? When are you coming to Hawaii? I really want to give you that beer you wanted....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman=Al Davis

"Colt Brennan. He's a great player, get over it."

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

from noonefromtampa
"...what the take on the USDA worker that "resigned" - I see major backpedal going to happen here..."

This comes:

"Embarrassed White House apologizes"

Good call, bro'.

It looks like Team Obama doesn't have a guy who vets and reviews what's posted in the news.

I suggest they hire El Drano.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

kurt,

Colt Brennan ranks somewhere between Stephon Heyer and Chad Rhinehart on the "I wish I had that persons talent" list.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 21, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

''' after hell week conditioning ...

Posted by: ElYeah | July 19, 2010 1:03 PM |

Do it include romps up Mt Kush?

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:04 PM


What time is it in Hawaii if you're posting at 5:09 EST?

Just askin'........

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

ppstr8, because our defense didn't hold enough times for ARE to get that many chances to fair catch?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 21, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

11:09am

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The Max factor.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 21, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

although a dark horse candidate for the past few years, Colt Brennan finally seems poised to join Marko Mitchell and Leigh Torrence as one of the most recent winners of the unofficial "man of the offseason" RI sweepstakes....

maybe if he grew those dreadlocks again, he would be fearsome.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The detailing on my motorcycle is done. Go do something constructive with your time instead of childish remarks, kids...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 4:51 PM |

Has he put some cleats on those sandals??

Posted by: wireman65 | July 21, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The detailing on my motorcycle is done. Go do something constructive with your time instead of childish remarks, kids...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:26 PM

mol... cheers and enjoy kurt, but Colt is still just a name until he accomplishes something tangible for the 'skins... enjoy your ride, better things to do than split time between work and posting here!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

although a dark horse candidate for the past few years ...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 5:18 PM |

Hey, they don't call the dude "Colt" for nothing, do they? Heh, heh.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey, they don't call the dude "Colt" for nothing, do they? Heh, heh.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 21, 2010 5:35 PM

Always a colt, never a stallion.

Posted by: lxy32 | July 21, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse


Prediction: McNaab will go down early in the season and all the clowns praising him will be questioning why the Skins signed an over the hill, used up, oft-injured QB.

Posted by: theBozyn

Good one !

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been following the feeds lately, so this may be old news--if so, I apologize. The July issue of Texas Monthly (Robert Duvall and Tommy Lee Jones on the cover as Gus McCrae and Woodrow Call) has Duvall talking about how he spent a few hours visiting Sammy Baugh before filming started on Lonesome Dove, and based a lot of the mannerisms and movements of the Gus character on the great old Redskins QB. Thought longtime fans of the Skins and Lonesome Dove would want to know that. Nice to know Slinging Sammy was channeled into one of the greatest characters in American westerns.

Posted by: boothintexas | July 21, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been following the feeds lately, so this may be old news--if so, I apologize. The July issue of Texas Monthly (Robert Duvall and Tommy Lee Jones on the cover as Gus McCrae and Woodrow Call) has Duvall talking about how he spent a few hours visiting Sammy Baugh before filming started on Lonesome Dove, and based a lot of the mannerisms and movements of the Gus character on the great old Redskins QB. Thought longtime fans of the Skins and Lonesome Dove would want to know that. Nice to know Slinging Sammy was channeled into one of the greatest characters in American westerns.

Posted by: boothintexas | July 21, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: McNaab will go down early in the season and all the clowns praising him will be questioning why the Skins signed an over the hill, used up, oft-injured QB.

Posted by: theBozyn

Sounds like a disgruntled Philly fan to me.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 21, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks booth.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 21, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: boothintexas | July 21, 2010 6:15 PM

nice tip.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

from noonefromtampa
"...what the take on the USDA worker that "resigned" - I see major backpedal going to happen here..."

This comes:

"Embarrassed White House apologizes"

Good call, bro'.

It looks like Team Obama doesn't have a guy who vets and reviews what's posted in the news.

I suggest they hire El Drano.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 5:05 PM
=======================================================
Team Obama should know to go to RI Nation for The Truth

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 21, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Colt reminds me of Babe Laufenberg. He's a somewhat unconventional pre season sensation that wins the hearts of the fans by clobbering a bunch of schlubs who will be driving fork lifts in a few weeks, but never plays when the games actually count, and he has a first name that's not actually a name.

Who names a kid Babe or Colt?

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

The detailing on my motorcycle is done. Go do something constructive with your time instead of childish remarks, kids...

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:26 PM |

What do you ride Kurt? And why are you cleaning it instead of riding it?

Posted by: mack1 | July 21, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Today's Thoughts

1. Cindy would have us a new thread by now - we miss you Cindy

2. Loved the Greaseman, listened to him after they fired Howard on DC101

3. Kurt get a better game or post elsewhere

4. Colt will have to step it up or he is gone. No one goes faster in the NFL than the old coach's QB draft pick.

5. Like the new Piper Perabo show, but how about using some non-stock DC footage for a change. I remember seeing the mountains in the backdrops for Scarecrow and Mrs. King and NCIS. That weird too.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 21, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

so the whole porn music idea had me looking for some more inspiration...

here's the opinion of a self-proclaimed pornography connoisseur who claims that '80s soundtracks top the '70s:

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2009/06/how-dare-you-other-bloggers-look-at-the-title-of-my-post-here-in-the-typepad-program-before-it-goes-.html

having clicked a few links, I'll stick w/ the '70s for now, at least for the music...

and for the record, my wife agrees.

cheers and g'night all.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

H8dallas

Yeah, that took a lot of thinking.
Did you have this much hatred for Doug Williams also? When are you coming to Hawaii? I really want to give you that beer you wanted....

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Actually KurtGrabaman, I like my handle, and have actually had compliments on it.

I don't hate Colt, or Doug Williams.

I actually think you're pretty funny with the whole calling people homos, a-holes, idiots, etc... It makes me laugh.

I hope you're right about Colt, I'd love to see him do well.

However your over the top love for this guy is borderline crazy. I'm wondering if you turn the peepholes in his hotel room around and videotape him undressing.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Boycott hessone.

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | July 21, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

What do you ride Kurt? And why are you cleaning it instead of riding it?

Posted by: mack1

I ride a classic Indian Scout...the salt air is hard on the chrome. A Redskin fan should ride an Indian right?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse


iH8dallas = hesstwo

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

What do you ride Kurt? And why are you cleaning it instead of riding it?

Posted by: mack1

I think he rides Colt's jock.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas = hesstwo

Posted by: hessone | July 21, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Hess party. I'll boycott Snyder with you.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I ride a classic Indian Scout...the salt air is hard on the chrome. A Redskin fan should ride an Indian right?

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 7:51 PM

Nice. The perfect bike for a Skins's fan. I have a acquaintance who collects Hendersons. I think that's the company that went on to become Indian. I might be wrong. Keep that thing shiny.

Posted by: mack1 | July 21, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I also have a Katana and a Harley springer. Dallas, thought you wanted to come have a beer? Chump

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I still want to have a beer with you. I bet you're funny when you're drunk.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Nice bike K. Someone had one up at Canton for the Art Monk/Darrell Green induction a few years ago, wasn't you was it ?? Nothing personal and with all due respect Colt sucks. He proved it in the Hall of Fame Game that night. HTTR. dallas sucks too. WM

Posted by: wireman65 | July 21, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Cint Didier running for US Senate and endorsed by Sarah Palin and Ron Paul. Oh well, at least his website starts with video oh him scoring touchdown against Dallas.

http://www.clintdidier.org/

Posted by: will_ga | July 21, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

mack1
You're right. Hendies were part of the Indian company. Indian had gone out of business in the 40's or 50's I believe and the Henderson company bought out their rights for a time. They made some nice bikes.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Dallas,
I can hold my liquor pretty well but I get crazy when I get drunk..had my car towed once by a tow truck and I ran to the tow yard, hopped the fence, grabbed my spare key, jumped into the car and drove it through the chained gate to breakout of the tow yard. I had a good friend in Vice at HPD and he got the charges dropped and home I went, straight to bed.
I don't want to get drunk..I almost killed someone in a fight that HE started. To dangerous for me to get that wasted

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 21, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

twisi

"Cooley not at hell week"


This really isn't as big an issue as Thomas/Kelly being there.

Those guys have to prove something.

Cooley already has.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Dallas,
I can hold my liquor pretty well but I get crazy when I get drunk..had my car towed once by a tow truck and I ran to the tow yard, hopped the fence, grabbed my spare key, jumped into the car and drove it through the chained gate to breakout of the tow yard. I had a good friend in Vice at HPD and he got the charges dropped and home I went, straight to bed.
I don't want to get drunk..I almost killed someone in a fight that HE started. To dangerous for me to get that wasted

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I peed on a dance floor and got thrown onto the street.

You do sound like a fun dude to have a few with.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

There's a lot of "woulda shoulda coulda" comments here about who should be backup QB. But let's face it. You need to play the cards you're dealt, and it impresses me that Brennan seems to have the motivation to really make the effort to put in some extra work to make himself an asset to the team instead of just being a clipboard holder. I notice that the work ethic among a lot the players (read Portis) seems to have gone up a couple of notches under the new regime, with at least one noticeable exception who shall remain nameless but will be known to all of you.

Posted by: ExPatYankee | July 21, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas

"I peed on a dance floor and got thrown onto the street."


Drunk, I jumped onstage at a strip club, ripped my shirt off, danced without the bouncer saying anything, and made $1.00.

Of course, that's because I tipped myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

iH8dallas

"I peed on a dance floor and got thrown onto the street."

Drunk, I jumped onstage at a strip club, ripped my shirt off, danced without the bouncer saying anything, and made $1.00.

Of course, that's because I tipped myself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Drunk, I ran and took the microphone out of some dude's hand while doing karaoke.

he was singing House of Pain "Jump Around", and totally butchering it.

I felt it necessary to intervene. This happened at Johnny Rockets

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

... I almost killed someone in a fight that HE started. To dangerous for me to get that wasted

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I peed on a dance floor and got thrown onto the street.

You do sound like a fun dude to have a few with.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

Posted by: TheCork | July 21, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Corky Cash

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

So how did he go out Cork?

Posted by: mack1 | July 21, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Cork- Did they catch you in Juarez, Mexico?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

He fired his six shots in the wind.

That child blew a child away.

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Cint Didier running for US Senate and endorsed by Sarah Palin and Ron Paul. Oh well, at least his website starts with video oh him scoring touchdown against Dallas.

http://www.clintdidier.org/

Posted by: will_ga | July 21, 2010 8:31 PM |

Well, you know he has my vote.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

expatyankee

"...it impresses me that Brennan seems to have the motivation to really make the effort to put in some extra work to make himself an asset to the team instead of just being a clipboard holder...."

I rather the third q-back be an asset that can run the wildcat, play special teams, or slot receiver.

A hybird offensive player with speed should have Colt's spot.

You can stash a guy to groom on the practice squad.

In any event, it's extremely rare in today's NFL that the 3rd string q-back is somehow as valuable as folks make him out to be.

Unless, of course, his name is Colt Brennan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"when I was just a baby,
my momma told me son,
always be a good boy,
don't ever play with guns"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1xSt7iganA&feature=related

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 21, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"Well, you know he has my vote."


I believe you're from the great State of Florida.

So, let me guess, you're taking Rubio over Crist, and Scott over McCullum, then Scott over Sink, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Sebastian Edvar Bach

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

"Well, you know he has my vote."


I believe you're from the great State of Florida.

So, let me guess, you're taking Rubio over Crist, and Scott over McCullum, then Scott over Sink, right?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 10:10 PM

Cali, my man, Cali. And I would vote for Rubio for Prez.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

"And I would vote for Rubio for Prez."

I understand.

But I think Charlie Crist will win.

And I'll tell you one thing: nationwide, folks like all the anti-incumbent people.

But what scares me is that the anti-incumbency candidates make the solutions to the nation's problems seem abit too simplistic for my tastes.

In any event, he Fall elections will be just as interesting as the football.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, our Skins have fallen to #4 of the most valuable sports teams in the world.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Sebastian Edvar Bach

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 21, 2010 10:15 PM

Apparently I am the opening act for Corky Cash on our national tour.

Coming to a trailer park or abandoned drive-in near you.

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975

I understand.

But I think Charlie Crist will win.

And I'll tell you one thing: nationwide, folks like all the anti-incumbent people.

But what scares me is that the anti-incumbency candidates make the solutions to the nation's problems seem abit too simplistic for my tastes.

In any event, he Fall elections will be just as interesting as the football.

I'm out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 10:51 PM |

Of course I have sworn off political debate on this blog but I will say this without adding any party affiliations. I am with the anti incumbency crowd. Politics as usual got us to where we are today and both parties are at fault.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The way campaign financing works today, no mater which party's cantidade wins, you end up with someone who's in the corporate pocket. Thats why it always ends up being more of the same.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

i didnt read the latest comments but alot of people keep commenting on Colt and the sandals thing. People, i know you're not stupid, atleast i hope, he showed up with sandals in JANUARY when he went to work out with Brett Fischer after the season, and that was way before "hell week" and even before Donovan and him were teammates; says so right in the article.

Posted by: Colt15_mike | July 22, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

i didnt read the latest comments but alot of people keep commenting on Colt and the sandals thing. People, i know you're not stupid, atleast i hope, he showed up with sandals in JANUARY when he went to work out with Brett Fischer after the season, and that was way before "hell week" and even before Donovan and him were teammates; says so right in the article.

Posted by: Colt15_mike | July 22, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

The way campaign financing works today, no mater which party's cantidade wins, you end up with someone who's in the corporate pocket. Thats why it always ends up being more of the same.


Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 12:01 AM |

Everyone is beholden to someone else's money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Everyone is beholden to someone else's money.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 12:41 AM

Yes, but the govronment should be beholden to the taxpayer's money, not the big corporations' money.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Apparently I am the opening act for Corky Cash on our national tour.

Coming to a trailer park or abandoned drive-in near you.

Posted by: edvar | July 21, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Will you guys play "Boy Named Sue" and "Youth Gone Wild", respectively? Edvar, maybe you could cover "She's Only Seventeen" by Winger, that would make my year.

Yep, I'm rockin out my black Skid Row T-shirt when I go to the concert. I'm that guy.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 22, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the well wishes, hess and Red. You should be happy to know (but not as happy as I am) that I got off scott free on that ticket. Let's just say it pays (literally) to have a county detective as a next door neighbor...

I see I didn't miss much...Kurt backed into a corner by about 5 or 6 other bloggers about Colt "I Am Legend" Brennan and some convo on the best players in FL history, which I'm sure is only interesting to Moe. It's kinda like picking Redskin FA busts over the last 10 years...oh wait, that was done too...

Can't wait for training camp...and a new thread. Whichever comes first...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 5:34 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:


Cooley: Everyone will forget Haynesworth drama in two days if he's in shape
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 21, 2010 8:34 PM ET
A football news truism: More relevant football news happens in the first few days of training camp than an entire offseason of OTAs and minicamp.

The big stories of May and June often quickly fade away when the pads come on.

That's why I tend to agree with Redskins tight end Chris Cooley's opinion of the Albert Haynesworth situation, as alluded to in the headline above.

"First of all, he's doing what he wants to do, or what he thinks he needs to do. I just thought the guy's got to come back in unbelievable shape, because if he comes back out of shape, looks bad, I mean, he's just gonna get murdered," Cooley said on the Mike Wise Show, as transcribe by Dan Steinberg. "But I felt like if he came back in shape, ready to play football, he'll be there two days and everyone will forget what happened."

It's up to Haynesworth. He can make an entire offseason's worth of trash talking go away with his teammates and the media by simply going about his business.

All anyone really cares about is whether he performs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 5:47 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood--Are you posting from the lock-up this morning or did you beat that phoney case against you yesterday?

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 22, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

LOL CP...back at my assigned work station, my friend. As I said, my next door neighbor is a cop so he basically had the ticket beat for me before I even showed up.

Now just hoping for a new thread up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse


Hess wants everyone to keep their feet on the ground, unless the raised expectations are numbed a bit by prior years. Just sayin'.

Preseason, 2004: Snyder talks to HBO's Inside the NFL.

"Joe [Gibbs] has final say on everything. Period," Snyder said. "I've taken my lumps. I've come a long way. I think I've got incredible patience and understand things now that I didn't have when I first came into the league. I've learned a whole bunch."

And now this,

"I learned - and I think this has to do with Joe Gibbs - the most important thing for me personally is to have a head coach who is extremely competent," Snyder said. "That's what I've got with Mike. It creates an opportunity for me to be extremely hands off and not have to worry."


Posted by: hessone | July 22, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Congradulations on beating your ticket brown. Sounds like you owe someone a case of beer!!

Posted by: hessone | July 22, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, I didn't think you took orders from the Retard Queen.

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Here here, brown! Prime example of it ain't what you know it's who you know.

One time I got a parking ticket at an expired meter (they're really class-A a-holes in DC about this) but still had about 5 mins left on the meter. Needless to say I was highly pissed...

I took a picture of the meter and that's what led to them throwing the ticket out.

And they say camera phones are evil...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, Hess. Best believe my neighbor is either taking his family out to eat on me or he's getting a case of his favorite beer right to his door.

And your above post at 7:26 am...not sure where you're going with that. Just because Joe Gibbs didn't get the job done without Snyder breathing down his neck doesn't change the fact that Snyder wasn't breathing down his neck. The true indicator is who he had as his right hand man: Vinny Cerrato.

Shanahan has the same cache as Gibbs (for the most part) and has a better GM riding shotgun (Bruce Allen). Nobody will mistake Allen for Scott Pioli, but just having a competent GM teamed up with a top notch HC helps this team tremendously.

Just ask the Saints...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Blahbity Blah Blah...

I'm an idiot.

This is only highlighted by my pompous name, "Thinker_"

Many of you fail to recognize the underscore at the end of my handle, which actually means, "I'm being sarcastic."

Everyone knows the underscore means sarcastic, right?

Like, I'm rich_.

I'm funny_.

I'm bored to death__.

Double underscore... same as a double negative.

Anyway, I cant wait for Colt to take over as the next great QB of the Redskins_.

Posted by: Thinker_ | July 22, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Thinker_ makes relevant posts_.


Um - I've always employed [:-|
or [:-\ for more snark.

..or you could just go with "maps...suchas"

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

brown, congrats on beating the ticket...anyone catch the NFL Network spot on the 1991 team last night....funny piece about the Falcons bringing MC Hammer, and Evander "Drain Bamage" Holyfield with them to the field....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 22, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see a quad digit count for comments...

We'll get a new thread today. Book it!


"Everyone knows the underscore means sarcastic, right?"


I thought the vertical bar was for sarcasm.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

And your above post at 7:26 am...not sure where you're going with that. Just because Joe Gibbs didn't get the job done without Snyder breathing down his neck doesn't change the fact that Snyder wasn't breathing down his neck. The true indicator is who he had as his right hand man: Vinny Cerrato.

Point well taken and I agree. Hess will still keep his feet on the ground though. The only reason I brought up $nyder is because the Bog addressed $nyder this morning. The two quotes were just a few listed. You really should go over there and read what $nyder has said over the years. He sounds like a broken record for sure when it comes to "I've learned my lesson".
We'll see soon enough though, if he will indeed change his ways. I'll be the first to say, AMEN!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 22, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff Red...DC has a tendency to tell on themselves when it comes to tickets. Case in point: I got a parking ticket at the Takoma Park Metro station and when I took it to court they threw it out because the cop didn't fill it out all the way. And I got a speeding ticket (damn cameras) on the way to court to fight the parking ticket...went back to fight that one and they threw it out because there was another car in the shot. Couldn't prove my car was the one that set the camera off.

Net loss? A couple vacation hours at work.

DC just needs to find another way to get income other than trapping drivers.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

...funny piece about the Falcons bringing MC Hammer, and Evander "Drain Bamage" Holyfield with them to the field....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

and how they promptly left when they started to get their asses kicked.

I guess front running was prevalent way before LeCronie James.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Not interested in being 1st, just 759th.

bw26- Congrats on beating the system. Lucky for you the Amish infest the commonwealth of PA and that lowers the age of consent to 15..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

hess, I don't pay attention to words...just actions. If Snyder stays outta the way and let's the football people handle the football, I couldn't care less what comes out of his mouth.

Greg, I watched that again last night...I swear I've watched that show at least 5 or 6 times. The part where they spank the Falcons and their "entourage" never gets old. For me, it serves as a reminder the kind of d-bag, circus clown Jerry Glanville was...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Lucky for you the Amish infest the commonwealth of PA and that lowers the age of consent to 15..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 8:33 AM


Haha...even MORE lucky for me, I'm more interested in the older women. This area ain't bad for MILFs...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

OK the Redskins will finish 4th tied with the Egales for fourth .They will be 8-8 with an up arrow for next season if there is a next season

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse


BOYCOTT TICKETS-GO TO COURT AND FIGHT THEM!

You'd be suprized what showing up for court can do for you. And you don't need a lawyer (especially if you know the right people, ie brown). I had a ticket reduced along with less points against my driving record once. If you're lucky and the cop is sick or doesn't make it to court, the charge is dismissed. At least you're showing the judge or DA you care about your driving privilege.

Posted by: hessone | July 22, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

scottcampbell

"Politics as usual got us to where we are today and both parties are at fault."

I blame the voters who depend on soundbites, dumb 30 second tv ads, and pundits for information about what's going on in the country.

The nation has been overcome by mass hypocrisy.

Absent-minded folk have lost touch with history by comparing politicians they don't like to Hitler--you kow, the dude that caused a war where 20 million people died.

Perfectly sane adults march in the streets with signs and engage in the same kind of whining that little kids do when they say they are hungry, but refuse to eat what's been cooked.

Today, the same people calling the president a socialist stop at the VA hospital for treatment before heading out to rally against socialist medicine.

There's an anti-incumbency, made rich off malfeasence guy running for governor who says if Florida sells the state's $280,000 airplane, it'll fix the money troubles of it's $14 billion budget.

And he might win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

brown, just read that 58% of traffic tickets are thrown out in D.C., which tells me two things:

1) They're banking on the fact that you're not going to take time out of your day to fight the ticket

2) THEY KNOW THEY'RE WRONG!

Don't get me wrong I love the DMV -- all of it including DC, but DC is a cesspool sh*thole.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

That's one thing we can absolutely agree on hess...after my experience with DC, I always take tickets to court. ALWAYS. Could be an obscure rule you don't know about that lets you off, the cop may have mercy on you (or not show up at all)--you just never know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

you can actually game the system a bit by re-scheduling your court appointment a couple times, if it's an offense that needs the officer present.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Red, that sounds about right. I think most places just throw tickets out all willy-nilly, hoping that people just pay 'em to make 'em go away.

I'm not that guy.

I love DC too...miss that area BADLY. But when I go to the city, I take the Metro. Don't have to worry about parking, no worrying about some idiot in a cab running a light and T-boning my ride, and--most of all--nobody's giving me a ticket on a damn train...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

"The nation has been overcome by mass hypocrisy." - Moe


It's only 9AM and this is already the statement of the day!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Good call, Dik. Hopefully I won't have another chance at using that technique...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"...I take the Metro. Don't have to worry about parking, no worrying about some idiot in a cab running a light and T-boning my ride, and--most of all--nobody's giving me a ticket on a damn train...Posted by: brownwood26"

Well, there are 6 or 8 other problems you might run into... or might run into your train.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

expatyankee

"...it impresses me that Brennan seems to have the motivation to really make the effort to put in some extra work to make himself an asset to the team instead of just being a clipboard holder...."

I rather the third q-back be an asset that can run the wildcat, play special teams, or slot receiver.

A hybird offensive player with speed should have Colt's spot.

You can stash a guy to groom on the practice squad.

In any event, it's extremely rare in today's NFL that the 3rd string q-back is somehow as valuable as folks make him out to be.

Unless, of course, his name is Colt Brennan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 21, 2010 10:02 PM
------------------------------------------
Moe, so you are saying you want the team to bring back ARE as a QB? Ouch!

Me, I'd rather have the third QB as someone who could potentially develop as a starter. I would like a stable of QB's with four on the roster and all of them competing. QB's trade at a higher value than any other position, so I would try to start my own little QB farm. I would have liked the team to take a shot at Tony Pike in the draft when they could have gotten him for a song, and then I would have liked to have seen the Redskins sign that QB that Denver released - Tom Brandstater. The Redskins kicked the tires on Daryll Clark but I don't think they are interested in a wild cat QB and they let him go without a contract.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Wow Wapo...you're getting scooped by PFT and the Dallas newspapers:

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/07/washington-will-be-familiar-wi.html

Looks like Morocco Brown has been charged with the task of scouting the Cowpies leading up to the opener. If you look at the link, some of the comments reflect that some Cowpie fans are actually a bit apprehensive about playing us this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

"I blame the voters who depend on soundbites, dumb 30 second tv ads, and pundits for information about what's going on in the country.posted by mistamoe"

On some level, it's always our fault. You can see it in sports, too. We get the ridiculous salaries that we complain about because we're dumb enough to watch the games, buy the cheesy paraphernalia, and remain loyal to teams that patently don't give a hoot about us.

We get

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

People keep bringing up the Wildcat...has Shanahan said that the team is even considering using the Wildcat? Seems to me we don't have the players for that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

brownie, why wouldn't they be a bit apprehensive?

Setting aside the "any given Sunday" factor, the key attribute of the dude on their sideline is that he has a broad face and a little round belly/that shakes when he laughs like a bowl full of jelly. Whereas the dude on our sideline is the Ultimate Leader, yo.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"...so you are saying you want the team to bring back ARE as a QB? Ouch!"

I'll say yes if you can show me where I use the name Antawn Randle El or ARE anywhere in that quote.

You can't.

And what I'm pointing out is how the skins had in ARE a guy who could've been a 3rd q-back, but kept Colt around for that purpose.

Why is that?: the team effectively had four quarterbacks and not enough back up linemen.

I look at B Smith, J Cribbs, P Harvin--they can all play q-back-- and others and see elite athletes who can play quarterback or special teams or slot or running back.

Three quarterbacks on the active roster every Sunday is dumb when the third guy hardly ever gets on the field.

Why can't can't the skins use Colt's roster spot for such a player when it's a league wide trend to have a hybrid offensive player?

You keep an emergency quarterback on the practice squad.

And can we please disabuse ourselves of this notion that NFL teams draft and develop quarterbacks.

What they do today is draft starters.

(Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training.)

And if a guy can't start effectively to satisfy within a 5 year window, he's gone.

Ask Jason Campbell about this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

LOL Nate...well played.

I'll never understand how so many "experts" continue to pick the Cowpies and Chargers to be SB teams on a year in/year out basis despite having mediocre HCs. I mean, there's NO WAY we'll ever see Norv Turner or Wade Philips clutch a Lombardi without first paying admission...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"..has Shanahan said that the team is even considering using the Wildcat? Seems to me we don't have the players for that.."


Fact is, teams with solid starting quarterbacks don't run the wildcat.

(I bet the fins run the wildcat less this year seeing how they now have B Marshall and high expectations for him.)

We assume, right now, that D McNabb will be an effective starter, so the personnel objective would seem to add to the roster guys can can 'flip the field' with an explosive play.

We need offensive playermakers with dynamic speed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

My co-worker across from me has the radio on the country station.

Not like Johnny Cash, Loretta Lynn country, it's that pop Carrie Underwood, Rascal Flatts station.

I may hang myself today.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

And if a guy can't start effectively to satisfy within a 5 year window, he's gone.

Ask Jason Campbell about this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 9:36 AM

In all fairness, new coaches often want to bring in "their guy". And the Skins have had A LOT of new coaches.

Ask Jay Cutler about this.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

"(Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training.)"

Aaron Rodgers

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

OK the Redskins will finish 4th tied with the Egales for fourth .They will be 8-8 with an up arrow for next season if there is a next season

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

We'll be lucky to go 8-8. I'm considering trying to swing a deal with 4-12 for his moniker.

Demarcus Ware will be going up against Trent Williams in game 1. Then he faces Mario Williams in week 2. McNabb will be injured by week 3. Rex cannon will set the single season interception record by week 12.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | July 22, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

"And can we please disabuse ourselves of this notion that NFL teams draft and develop quarterbacks."

One more point... Kevin Kolb has been developed within the same system over 3 years by the Iggles. That's what made McNabb expendable to them.

But Colt's in a little different situation, since he's had a bunch of systems to learn, too... and can't seem to notch the #2 QB spot on the roster.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training.)

And if a guy can't start effectively to satisfy within a 5 year window, he's gone.

Ask Jason Campbell about this.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 9:36 AM
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Why would you need to groom a guy for 4-5 years? Chad Henne is a classic example of how you groom a QB. He spends a year backing up and then gets the starter job. A guy like Trent Green bounced around for a few years and then became a decent starter.

As for ARE, I was joking. Mea Culpa. I just thought it was funny you were explaining a guy who was just like the guy we cut.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

"Aaron Rodgers"


Rodgers was a 1st round pick meaning he was drafted to start.

That's my point.

Rodgers sat only because a HOF q-back named Favre was playing career Hamlet(Should I stay? Should I go?) up until the packers sent him packing.

Guys get drafted today and play quarterback right away.

We'll see how 'grooming' behind K Warner has worked for M Leinhart this Fall.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Trent Williams will be playing right tackle by week 3

Who signs with the Skins first - T. Williams or T.O.?

Posted by: coparker5 | July 22, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong I love the DMV -- all of it including DC, but DC is a cesspool sh*thole.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

_____________________________________________

True. I recently got a ticket in DC for no front plate, which would be fine if I was a DC resident. How can DC enforce and fine a VA resident for violating a VA law?

I mean yeah, guilty as charged, no front plate on my car. But the fact that DC is collecting a fine for themselves is irritating since I'm not a DC resident.

Posted by: --swb | July 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

iH8, one word: Earbuds. Instead of complaining about the guy next to me listening to "The Big Talker" (although I do listen to it myself from time to time) I throw in the earbuds.

brown, Portis threw a TD pass to Cooley once. Just sayin...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Are you SJKing kidding me. Three days with no new posts and we're just days away from training camp.

The irony of all this is Jason and RI staff have been ripping Fat Al for not showing up to work. Well Jason, why not showing up to work yourself?

Otherwise, what am I supposed to do at my job?

Posted by: Devo2 | July 22, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

scottcampbell

"Politics as usual got us to where we are today and both parties are at fault."

I blame the voters who depend on soundbites, dumb 30 second tv ads, and pundits for information about what's going on in the country.

The nation has been overcome by mass hypocrisy.

Absent-minded folk have lost touch with history by comparing politicians they don't like to Hitler--you kow, the dude that caused a war where 20 million people died.

Perfectly sane adults march in the streets with signs and engage in the same kind of whining that little kids do when they say they are hungry, but refuse to eat what's been cooked.

Today, the same people calling the president a socialist stop at the VA hospital for treatment before heading out to rally against socialist medicine.

There's an anti-incumbency, made rich off malfeasence guy running for governor who says if Florida sells the state's $280,000 airplane, it'll fix the money troubles of it's $14 billion budget.

And he might win.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 8:45 AM |

Oh so true Moe. We all know how I feel about Obama but Hitler? Hardly. I saw a bunch of people protesting the oil spill down by San Clemente pier railing about out of work this and homeless that while less than 200 yards away 2 obviously homeless people were obviously in need of medical attention, food, and housing. Do gooders not really wanting to do good as much as be seen. You're right about the voters, too, of course. Ultimately it's our fault for letting these idiots get away with it while using our money to perpetrate and hide their misdeeds. And sadly we continue to by all their crap with out researching their claims. Oh well. It will continue too. This will not end because America as a whole, from the rich, fat cat protecting his wealth, to the poor, out of work yet content to sit on the government dole, to the middle class footing the bill for it all is too lazy to do anything real about it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

True. I recently got a ticket in DC for no front plate, which would be fine if I was a DC resident. How can DC enforce and fine a VA resident for violating a VA law?

I mean yeah, guilty as charged, no front plate on my car. But the fact that DC is collecting a fine for themselves is irritating since I'm not a DC resident.

Posted by: --swb | July 22, 2010 10:00 AM

I'm pretty sure that's not legal. You should definitely challenge that.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

And can we please disabuse ourselves of this notion that NFL teams draft and develop quarterbacks.

What they do today is draft starters.

(Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training.)

And if a guy can't start effectively to satisfy within a 5 year window, he's gone.

Ask Jason Campbell about this.

Posted by: MistaMoe

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Well 4-5 years is a bit much given that rookie contracts are generally 4-5 years long, but that doesn't mean teams aren't drafting and developing quarterbacks.

Tom Brady
David Garrard
Tony Romo (undrafted, but still developed)
Matt Cassell
Kyle Orton
Jake Delhomme

The list continues. The rub comes in with the fact that not one of these guys were drafted with the intention of becoming a starter. They were drafted to learn, develop, and hopefully become a good back-up QB. All of these guys just happened to develop better than advertised. One turned out to be a top 5 QB all-time, another became a perennial pro-bowl candidate, another had a successful run leading his team to the Super Bowl, and the others at the very least have proven to be great back-ups and adequate starters.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

In the Skins new D, Haslett will most likely gamble and start Kareem Moore in centerfield. LaRon Landry, with more speed than any safety in the NFL, should have long ago emerged as a playmaker at that spot, but he has iffy awareness (translation: he's thick as a brick). At least to start off, Landry is set to be used more as an attacker in the box in Haslett's new schemes. But should Moore struggle, Landry would probably move back to free safety, allowing either Doughty or Horton to regain a starting job. Doughty and Horton have big-hit prowess, but both tend to play with bad angles in space (think Adam A).

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

You can add Matt Schaub to that list too.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong I love the DMV -- all of it including DC, but DC is a cesspool sh*thole.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

_____________________________________________

True. I recently got a ticket in DC for no front plate, which would be fine if I was a DC resident. How can DC enforce and fine a VA resident for violating a VA law?

I mean yeah, guilty as charged, no front plate on my car. But the fact that DC is collecting a fine for themselves is irritating since I'm not a DC resident.

Posted by: --swb

I once had an expired inspection sticker and DC parking enforcement wasted no time hitting me up for that. I share the same sentiment: How is that while I'm a VA resident, DC is able to fatten their CORRUPT pockets off fines from out of state residents?


When I researched, I found that it's within the law. A bs law, but the law nonetheless.

What can you do?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

From what ive heard Haslett is saying their is no FS or SS. So hopefully that will end the whole centerfield safety position we have been using that was really designed for one player. Haslett has also said he would be using the corners in saftey spots, singling our CR22 and K Barnes.

Im thinking this new scheme could get pretty complex but we will see. Im all for it anyways, our D while being good has been very uninspiring. Bend dont break is not a championship style D.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 22, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

What can you do?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:22 AM |

Rules is rules. Try drooling.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

There is no more middle class...

You got rich/well to do people (what, maybe starting at about 80-125K plus(+) in annual salary?), and you got everyone else playing catch up.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN's tweets:

@NFLRumorCentral Malcolm Kelly on the roster bubble in Washington http://es.pn/doiNRb #nfl #redskins #fantasyfootball 35 minutes ago

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

There is no more middle class...

You got rich/well to do people (what, maybe starting at about 80-125K plus(+) in annual salary?), and you got everyone else playing catch up.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:33 AM |

BS. My wife and I are middle class. We got a kid, don't make an assload, but ain't on the dole. Not gonna argue it though. I gotta go work.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

@NFLRumorCentral Malcolm Kelly on the roster bubble in Washington http://es.pn/doiNRb #nfl #redskins #fantasyfootball 35 minutes ago

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 10:34 AM |

News Flash: Redskin receivers Malco Kelly and Devo Thomas can’t beat man coverage.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Just to follow up on a post from yesterday. Here's what Robert Duvall said to Texas Monthly about how he modeled his character of Gus McRae in Lonesome Dove on Sammy Baugh:

Duvall: "About a month before we started, I looked up a classmate, a rancher near Rotan, and he took me to see Sammy Baugh [the NFL great who played quarterback at Texas Christian University in the thirties]. I thought, 'Wow.' My dad took me to see him play with the Washington Redskins when I was ten. But he must have been seventy when I met him, and he didn't even know who I was. We talked for hours about football and his life, and he just seemed to me like an old, tall Texas Ranger. So that's where I got my gestures and everything, watching Sammy Baugh."

Posted by: boothintexas | July 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

PFT touched on the same thing, psps23:


The Redskins could cut the next Andre Johnson
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 22, 2010 10:30 AM ET
Back in March of 2009, the Redskins tried to prove that Dan Snyder didn't tamper with Albert Haynesworth when the owner met with Haynesworth's agent at the NFL Scouting Combine before free agency started.

The official explanation at the time: Haynesworth's agent Chad Speck and Snyder were discussing wide receiver Malcolm Kelly.

"Chad told me he met with the Redskins at the Combine," Haynesworth said. "But they were talking about Malcolm [Kelly] and how he could become the next Andre Johnson and stuff like that."

Well, the rest of the NFL may get the chance to sign the next Andre Johnson shortly. Ryan O'Halloran of Comcast Sportsnet Washington predicted on Wednesday Kelly won't even make the team because of his injury issues and lack of special teams value.

That information makes it all the more ridiculous the Redskins got off the hook for tampering using the Kelly excuse. It also points out how Washington bungled the second round of that draft.

The team selected Devin Thomas 15 spots ahead of DeSean Jackson, and tight end Fred Davis one spot ahead of Jackson before grabbing Kelly three picks later. (We like Davis plenty, but they still passed on Jackson twice.)

Vinny Cerrato may be gone, but his legacy continues to live on.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

psps23

Tom Brady
David Garrard
Tony Romo (undrafted, but still developed)
Matt Cassell
Kyle Orton
Jake Delhomme

The trouble with the claim and the list is that without injury to a starter (or trade) none of these guys gets on the field.

Grooming a starter implies you're teaching a guy who'll eventually replace a starter in the event of his being ineffective.

In other words, if Drew Bledsoe and Bryon Leftwich don't get hurt, two of the names on that list never see the field.

T Brady become a patriot in 2000 and starter in 2001.

When was he groomed like Colt over 3-4 seasons?

You do have a case with Delhomme, but he and Rex Grossman are the same guy to me which measn they both suck.

So much for Jake's grooming.

I'll admit Orton is a guy who had to develop his game off the field (the bears tried replacing him, but failed).

But the guy grooming behind Orton, Tim Tebow, might be the one worthy of getting groomed.

If you got back and look, Schaub was better than #7 and needed to get away from the clueless Falcons who wasted time grooming Vick.

And as for T Romo, he become a Cowboy in 2003 and starter in 2004---when was he groomed?

Again: You draft a guy to start.

And you use a bench to rest starters, not train or groom them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I just ran a Radio station on Grooveshark based on calling up a Polvo tune.

Third song in? a Jawbox tune. WTG DC/Dischord! Lov me sum DC post.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I once had an expired inspection sticker and DC parking enforcement wasted no time hitting me up for that. I share the same sentiment: How is that while I'm a VA resident, DC is able to fatten their CORRUPT pockets off fines from out of state residents?


When I researched, I found that it's within the law. A bs law, but the law nonetheless.

What can you do?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:22 AM


Think military. Military people can keep their home-of-residence plates despite moving from state to state. Wherever you go, you just have to stay current with registration and emissions.

But I've never heard of someone getting a ticket from any state for violating another states front plate law, like swb did. Then again, DC is loaded with military, and it's sadly possible they've adjusted their laws to maximize profit at the expense of our fighting forces.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

wrote a little post about larry johnson on my blog yesterday:

http://broodingburgundy.com/post/841024892/lj-troubles

Posted by: bcarothers | July 22, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

1 week and counting!

Starting to think I might not see silverback on day 1, which would suck.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 22, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

psps23

Matt Cassell

Oh, I forgot.

He is indeed a low round player (7th) who sat for a few years (3-4), and played well afterwards.

So with him, you have a point.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

...The trouble with the claim and the list is that without injury to a starter (or trade) none of these guys gets on the field...

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 10:48 AM

Moe, even when I disagree with your posts there tends to be a respectable logic to them. But this particular statement is baffling, because if the backup is effectively groomed, the ultimate goal is to replace the starter. How else does that happen other than trade away the starter (e.g. McNabb) or replace him bause of injury (e.g. Brady/Cassell)?

Most starters will not be content to remain in place as a backup (e.g., Campbell).

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

C"mon, let's get this stupid thread up over a thousand comments, like in the olden days.

What, you got something better to do today?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 22, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

"The team selected Devin Thomas 15 spots ahead of DeSean Jackson, and tight end Fred Davis one spot ahead of Jackson before grabbing Kelly three picks later. (We like Davis plenty, but they still passed on Jackson twice.)"

I think to be fair, you have to acknowledge that DeSean was passed on 48 times in that draft, by the vast majority of the teams, good and bad. He was even passed on once by Andy Reid and Philadelphia in favor of a defensive tackle. Why? Because of his size, and because it was a weird year for WRs -- none taken in the first round, for the first time in draft history.

DeSean was the 7th WR taken.

I don't know how we can expect Vinny to have been smarter than all the other execs in the League, when we already know he isn't. Other than the pleasure of holding a resentment, I just don't know why we'd bother going over this ground.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

brown, just read that 58% of traffic tickets are thrown out in D.C., which tells me two things:

1) They're banking on the fact that you're not going to take time out of your day to fight the ticket

2) THEY KNOW THEY'RE WRONG!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:49 AM

Seriously doubt the 58% figure. But if it were right it would have been when Barry was Mayor. And it wasn't because they were wrong -- it was because they were corrupt.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 22, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"Floyd Mayweather, jr. is ranked in the Top 10 for doing something most of us hardly ver do anymore:

Watch boxing."

Moe, I have to disagree that most people do not watch boxing anymore. At least most the people I know still enjoy watching boxing, especially Floyd Mayweather. I think boxing is still big in the DMV, and definitely, around most military towns.

Posted by: dbailey211 | July 22, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Also keep in mind that if the skins did draft Desean Jackson, he probably wouldn't have seen the field because Jim Zorn is a bafoon.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Again: You draft a guy to start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 10:48 AM |

You fail to make the distinction. Sam Brad was drafted to start on Day 1. As was Matt Staff for Detroit. Aaron Roger was drafted to start, but not on Day 1. Some QBs can come right out of college and start and do well on Day 1, like Matt Ryan. Others need time to develop and/or have to sit behind a Pro Bowl starter, like Aaron Roger behind Brett Favre or Kevin Kolb behind Donovan McN.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I see the logic in part of your post, with the exception of this:

"Again: You draft a guy to start."

Regardless of the circumstance surrounding the player or how much time it took them to break into the lineup, none of the guys I named were drafted with the intention of becoming a starter. Brady was backing up a guy who was thought of as a potential HOF candidate (as was Cassel incidentally). Garrard was backing up a young first rounder that had led his team to multiple playoff appearances. Orton was backing up another young first-rounder. Schaub was backing up a QB that led his team to the NFC championship as close to by-himself as possible (yes, Vick was that good at that time).

The nature of "groomed" QBs is that they are, generally speaking, low-talent players. Most of them are late-round picks for a reason. But every once in a while you can find a gem.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Colt is one of those guys. But teams do develop QBs by sitting them on the bench, mostly for the purpose of becoming a solid back-up. Some break-out into starters (the list I made -- Matt Hasselbeck is a nice addition to that too), some flop as back-ups (most of the guys), and some become what was asked of them (Jim Sorgi, Billy Volek, Sage Rosenfels, etc.).

At this point, I'm just hoping Colt becomes part of the last group. This is his third year, so if he is to become one of those guys, he should be showing strides this preseason.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Moe, even when I disagree with your posts there tends to be a respectable logic to them.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 11:04 AM |

Even when I agree with your posts they tend to be dull and boring. But not this one. That's downright hilarious.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Samson. Hindsight is 20/20...if anyone knew DeSean would be as good as he is, he would have gone in Round 1. Truth of the matter is, nobody thought much of that WR class...except Vinny, who thought enough of it to load up at the position at a time when he had a couple more pressing matters (line O-line/D-line).

I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time. It's the next two (Davis and Kelly) that defy logic and will probably haunt this team for years to come (regardless of who else was on the board at the time).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

this blog has gone to complete crap since cindy boren left, please bring her back, sheesh, CAN WE GET AN UPDATE!!!!

and where the hell is jason reid, everyone else is covering the skins but the wapo. makes me miss JLC

Posted by: X--E | July 22, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I like Malcolm Kelly.

I've said it before, the Zorn era was the biggest setback of DT and MK's careers.

I give them both a clean slate, and think they both become important members of this team in 2010.

Fade routes to MK in the redzone should be money everytime.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

If a tree falls in the forest, does the Pope wipe his butt with a rabbit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Even when I agree with your posts they tend to be dull and boring. But not this one. That's downright hilarious.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:16 AM

You may have a point, TrouserSnake. How about you wow us with some of your exciting kernals of wisdom?

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time. It's the next two (Davis and Kelly) that defy logic and will probably haunt this team for years to come (regardless of who else was on the board at the time).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:17 AM |

Davis, so far, seems like the only good pick. Not sure he'll "haunt" the team as he seems to be the only one that gives us options.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

1 day and counting til we get a new post about us signing BWest!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 22, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:17 AM |

The pick illustrates that even impressive raw talent - speed, strength, size, etc. - needs at least a modicum of snapping synapses to be successful.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"I think to be fair, you have to acknowledge that DeSean was passed on 48 times in that draft, by the vast majority of the teams, good and bad."

IMO, being fair, you can't blame other teams that did not draft a WR for passing on Jackson because some (if not most) did not feel WR was a need for their team ahead of the player/position they selected.

You can really only chastise the teams that selected a different WR ahead of Jackson. That's poor evaluation in the purest sense.

The teams that passed on Jackson for a different WR:

STL
WAS
GB
BUF
DEN
CIN

Denver gets a pass because Eddie Royal turned out to be a nice player for them, especially for Shanahan's scheme.

The rest of the list? Not very inspiring. The only quality talent-evaluator I see on that list is Ted Thompson for GB. The rest of the guys? Well you can see why those teams have struggled for the better part of this decade.

Posted by: psps23 | July 22, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

If a tree falls in the forest, does the Pope wipe his butt with a rabbit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 11:20 AM

African or European rabbit?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 22, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Moe/psps23,

I think I might be able to help with this Pam/Pan dilemma...seems to me if you're drafting someone in the top 3 rounds, you expect them to start for you at some point. Rounds 4-7 is more likely to yield your backups/situational players. Getting anything more than that is what we call in my country "gravy".

Now that we've settled that, here's a shot out of a cannon: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife. You gotta f*ck one, marry one, kill one. GO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Matt Mosely(Cowboys knob slobber) predicts CP26 has 1280 yards 12TD and a trip to the ProBowl.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If a tree falls in the forest, does the Pope wipe his butt with a rabbit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 11:20 AM |

Was the rabbit killed by the tree?

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, the rest of the NFL may get the chance to sign the next Andre Johnson shortly. Ryan O'Halloran of Comcast Sportsnet Washington predicted on Wednesday Kelly won't even make the team because of his injury issues and lack of special teams value.

From PFT: Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 22, 2010 10:30 AM ET

And this is supposed to be news? Isn't this exactly what everyone has been saying for months. The writing has been on the wall for Kelly the whole offseason, and he better surprise the hell out of people in training camp or he will be looking for a new job.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Now that we've settled that, here's a shot out of a cannon: Oprah, Barbara Walters, your wife. You gotta f*ck one, marry one, kill one. GO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

HR lady. Shut..Shu..Shut your mouth..Shut your mouth..You just sound stupid right now.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Matt Mosely(Cowboys knob slobber) predicts CP26 has 1280 yards 12TD and a trip to the ProBowl.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 11:30 AM |

Peeps say that Moseley is a Skins hater but he slobbered all over Campbell and now this.

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time. It's the next two (Davis and Kelly) that defy logic and will probably haunt this team for years to come (regardless of who else was on the board at the time).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:17 AM

The 2008 2nd round is looking very unimpressive right now. In fact to date, I'd put Davis as one of the top 5 or 6 players selected in that round. There are a bunch of players that have flashed that was drafted in the 2nd round of 2008 put not in a consistent fashion, 2 legit stars, 3-4 players that shown with extended playing time they can produce on the field.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

1 day and counting til we get a new post about us signing BWest!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 22, 2010 11:23 AM


God I hope this happens...the sooner we get LJ/Willie outta burgundy, the better.

scamp, I call the Davis pick a loss because we already have a Pro-Bowl TE here. I know you can play both of them at the same time, but nobody can make me believe we wouldn't be better off with another solid starter on the O-line/D-line instead of having a really good backup TE. The only way that's a good pick is if Cooley gets hurt to the point that he's no longer a weapon and Davis steps up and becomes (at a minimum) a solid starter. Complete guesswork on my part, but I doubt that happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

If a tree falls in the forest, does the Pope wipe his butt with a rabbit?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 11:20 AM |

Was the rabbit killed by the tree?

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:32 AM |

Was the tree name of Rollins?

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

we got more production then the steelers did out of Limas Sweed... I thought he might be the best of that group, goes to show ya.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 22, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

What can you do?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 10:22 AM |

Rules is rules. Try drooling.

Posted by: SnakerJake


Sticks and stones may break my bones but I'm gonna to kick you repeatedly in the balls, Jake!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

+1 Internets for Steve & Jake.

Jibba Jabba roolz

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

You may have a point, TrouserSnake. How about you wow us with some of your exciting kernals of wisdom?

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 11:23 AM |

Mebbe some exciting kernels of wisdom, no?

Posted by: SnakerJake | July 22, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Matt Mosely(Cowboys knob slobber) predicts CP26 has 1280 yards 12TD and a trip to the ProBowl.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 11:30 AM


Did he predict it would be on 639 carries?

Kidding...personally, I think CP has one more good year left in him and then he's on his way to the FA scrap heap. I'd take 1280 yards and 12 TDs and like it.

And you're right on Moseley...total Cowpie homer. Dude's breath probably smells of Smirnoff Ice and Romo cock. I got a prediction for Moseley: a bar stool to the cranium and a size 13 to the nuts if he ever comes to Redskin territory...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

still no new posts......pitiful

Posted by: zjfr2 | July 22, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:39 AM

I agree that the Skins would have probably been better served picking a player at a position of need. That being said, we can only fairly evaluate the player we DID pick. Davis is the only one of those 2nd rounders who has shown that he can be a legit NFL player, and that makes him in my opinion the best of our three picks.

If Vinny did pick an O-lineman with that pick, there's no gurantee that he would have done any better than... lets say... Chad Rinehart.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Matt Moseley has a gay face.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:39 AM

Davis is already a "solid starter" as he demonstrated last season. As much as it may kill you to recognize it, the guy you call a "back up" is the better weapon right now - bigger, stronger, and faster.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 22, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

If Davis started 16 games for us he could be All-Pro.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

You know, now that us inmates are running this asylum, it's time to strike for better pay and medical.

Reading around I've learned Jansen may start in detroit and Malcolm Kelly may be some more of Vinny's Burnt Toast.

With the weak receiver corp in DC and the likelihood Kolb ain't ready, the Skns/Iggles trade may be one of those classic trades that are good for both teams--both teams being the Cowboys and the Giants.

Posted by: TheCork | July 22, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time.

Posted by: brownwood26 |

It would seem that way. Kid looked like a can't miss. But he had that secret X-factor, no one considered. Vinny Cerrato wanted him.

You don't build championships by picking three receivers in the second round and having only one contribute, while ignoring the O line and spending the boss's fortune on other people's problems.

Posted by: TheCork | July 22, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

The following statement is true:

The preceding statement was false.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Davis is already a "solid starter" as he demonstrated last season. As much as it may kill you to recognize it, the guy you call a "back up" is the better weapon right now - bigger, stronger, and faster.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 22, 2010 12:01 PM


I'll grant you that he's a solid starter, but I'm not putting him above Cooley until I see him ball without Cooley in a cast.

kaas, I get what you're saying but being the best of the 2nd round picks is kinda like being the least "easy" of the Kardashian sisters. Carrying that title probably still means she's carrying some messed up hybrid of athlete's foot and AIDS. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

You don't build championships by picking three receivers in the second round and having only one contribute,

Posted by: TheCork | July 22, 2010 12:12 PM

Sadly, I think this was the best he could do. He had no clue, so drafted 3 hoping 1 would stick...he was right! ;(

Kinda like treating 2nd round picks like 7th rounders, eh?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 22, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

True. I recently got a ticket in DC for no front plate, which would be fine if I was a DC resident. How can DC enforce and fine a VA resident for violating a VA law?

I mean yeah, guilty as charged, no front plate on my car. But the fact that DC is collecting a fine for themselves is irritating since I'm not a DC resident.

Posted by: --swb | July 22, 2010 10:00 AM

I'm pretty sure that's not legal. You should definitely challenge that.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 10:14 AM

Definitely not legal. Plate laws only apply to vehicles registered in that state or in this case federal district. The ticket writer probably knows this but has to meet his/her productivity quota and figures you'll pay to avoid hassle of going to hearing.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

And you're right on Moseley...total Cowpie homer. Dude's breath probably smells of Smirnoff Ice and Romo cock. I got a prediction for Moseley: a bar stool to the cranium and a size 13 to the nuts if he ever comes to Redskin territory...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

My nomination for post of the week.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 22, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

kaas, I get what you're saying but being the best of the 2nd round picks is kinda like being the least "easy" of the Kardashian sisters. Carrying that title probably still means she's carrying some messed up hybrid of athlete's foot and AIDS. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess Malcolm Kelly would be the fat Kardashian.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | July 22, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

AREA ADVERTISERS WELCOME NEW QUARTERBACK

ASHBURN, VA -- With less than a week to go before the start of Washington Redskins training camp, many local businesses in the nation's capital city are preparing to unveil a new series of television advertisements starring the new Redskins quarterback, Donovan McNabb.

A popular celebrity endorser for many Philadelphia-area advertisers over the past 11 seasons that he played for the NFC East division rival Philadelphia Eagles, McNabb enjoyed one of the highest local Q-ratings -- a measure of recognition and popularity -- of any celebrity endorser in Philadelphia. However and despite the deep division rivalry -- McNabb is now preparing to start the next football season as a relative unknown in a new city.

Traded from the Eagles to Washington with only a year left on his current contract, McNabb and the Redskins have yet to reach an agreement on a new longer-term contract, or even an extension to his current contract -- leading many to wonder if McNabb will be nothing more than a one-year "rental player" who is simply filling a hole at the quarterback slot until the National Football League and NFL Players Association stage a lock out or walk out at the end of the current season -- or simply a seat-warmer until the Redskins can pick up a new quarterback prospect out of the 2011 college draft.

But rather than focus on the uncertainties of his situation, McNabb and his agents have decided to capitalize on it -- and so they assert that McNabb offers Washington area advertisers a near-perfect pitchman for transient living and lifestyles.

Thus, many of the new commercials starring McNabb are predicated on the quarterback's temporary status in his new city.

Over the coming weeks, Washington area television viewers will see McNabb pitching rental apartments, leased cars, temporary storage facilities, pay-to-own furniture outlets, drive-through fast food outlets, cellular phone companies that don't require their customers to sign long-term contracts, and speed-dating services for people who want to enjoy all that life has to offer, but without the commitments and complications of long-term arrangements.

For more information, visit http://www.donovanmcnabb.com/

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

WAPO!

Would you PLEASE take down that ugly picture of Donovan McNa...

Oh wait, he's our QB now.

Sorry. Still getting used to that.

Posted by: edvar | July 22, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training"

Aaron Rogers

Posted by: dbailey211 | July 22, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

(no new post)
....you are kidding me.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 22, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

games may be blacked out in DC? What happened to Snyder's 200k person season tix. waiting list?

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

games may be blacked out in DC? What happened to Snyder's 200k person season tix. waiting list?

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

4-12 solves that wait list problem and apparently takes all of the wind out or the sails of Post beat reporters.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 22, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

games may be blacked out in DC? What happened to Snyder's 200k person season tix. waiting list?

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Hello all,

I'm looking for some explanations regarding this issue. First, why are games blacked out locally if they don't sell out? My theory is it's a ploy to draw fans to the stadium instead of sitting in their homes and watching the games. If my theory is correct then I am completely appalled. We're being punished for the owner's incompetence? Shouldn't the owner be taking a pay cut or revenue cut instead of sh***ing all over the fans?

If I'm incorrect please, someone explain how this effed up situation works.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 22, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time.

Posted by: brownwood26 |

It would seem that way. Kid looked like a can't miss. But he had that secret X-factor, no one considered. Vinny Cerrato wanted him.

You don't build championships by picking three receivers in the second round and having only one contribute, while ignoring the O line and spending the boss's fortune on other people's problems.

Posted by: TheCork | July 22, 2010 12:12 PM
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Well, you have to admit DT was a risk. He was a receiver taken in the second round which means most personnel specialists think there's a hole in your game. I think DT will make it, but he is never going to be that consistent, homerun hitter. The team needs a big possession receiver who has the ability to generate some run after the catch. I'm not a fan of TO, but I'm coming around to the idea of an incentive heavy contract that focuses on keeping him both quiet and productive. I wouldn't be opposed to trading for VJ from the Chargers. I wouldn't be opposed to the team giving Javon Walker a chance. I'm just saying the wide receiver situation should still be fluid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

games may be blacked out in DC? What happened to Snyder's 200k person season tix. waiting list?

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 12:44 PM

City Paper, WaPo, and others have been running numerous variants of this story for the past several years:

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2010/07/20/will-the-nfl-enforce-its-blackout-policy-here/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/01/AR2009090103984.html

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2009/04/29/redskins-waiting-list-totally-gone-to-hell-are-blackouts-coming-to-a-tv-near-you/

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/articles/37109/wait-service

the so-called "waiting list" is clearly a marketing tool, even as seats have been much easier to find since the move from RFK.

but I doubt we'll see TV blackouts anytime soon.

cheers all, rapidly approaching the 1000 post mark on this thread!

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training"

Aaron Rogers

Posted by: dbailey211


I tried that answer too, but I think Moe was talking about guys who were drafted in the lower rounds or undrafted guys -- "project" guys -- who were groomed to be the starter, or just simply groomed.

He's right there aren't that many current QBs that weren't taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds and have been declared as a "hidden gem".

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

alan4

"...if the backup is effectively groomed, the ultimate goal is to replace the starter.."


We'll see how M Leinhart replaces K Warner.

And K Kolb replace D McNabb.

And M Moore replace J Delhomme.

We know S Wallace couldn't replace M Hassleback.

And should B Favre not come back, the Vikes get the chance to see if perennial groomsters S Rosenfels and T Jackson can start.

My hunch is that all these players will be replaced withn two years when their franchises drafts a starter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I think Devin Thomas is a big possession receiver.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 22, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Bigfoot, you been following the NFL for long? The blackout has been an element of the TV deals as long as I can remember. And yes, it's essentially blackmail for the local market: buy all the tickets for this game or it doesn't get televised here. It's ridiculous, but that's how it's worked for a long time.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 22, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"I maintain that the Devin Thomas pick was a good one at the time."


DT will have a breakout season.

BOOK IT!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

moodly, I was just going to browbeat everyone for not posting enough...

POst, hamsters, POST!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse


"Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training"

Aaron Rogers

Posted by: dbailey211

I tried that answer too, but I think Moe was talking about guys who were drafted in the lower rounds or undrafted guys -- "project" guys -- who were groomed to be the starter, or just simply groomed.

He's right there aren't that many current QBs that weren't taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds and have been declared as a "hidden gem".

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Tony Romo

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse


"Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training"

Aaron Rogers

Posted by: dbailey211

I tried that answer too, but I think Moe was talking about guys who were drafted in the lower rounds or undrafted guys -- "project" guys -- who were groomed to be the starter, or just simply groomed.

He's right there aren't that many current QBs that weren't taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds and have been declared as a "hidden gem".

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Tony Romo

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@eTrod: my eeeeyyyyyes, my eeeyyeessss!!! it burnssssss.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Dayum....Colt still working wit McNabb?? lolol...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 22, 2010 1:29 PM

since bigfoot has spent the past several decades in back-country forests collecting berries and gnawing on tree bark, a cursory review of NFL TV blackout policies is in order:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_television#Blackout_policies

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse


"Quick: name the last guy drafted to be groomed to be a starting quarterback over 4-5 years, and actually played up to his training"

Aaron Rogers

Posted by: dbailey211


I tried that answer too, but I think Moe was talking about guys who were drafted in the lower rounds or undrafted guys -- "project" guys -- who were groomed to be the starter, or just simply groomed.

He's right there aren't that many current QBs that weren't taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds and have been declared as a "hidden gem".

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse


Tony Romo

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 22, 2010 1:39 PM |
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In this age of "give it to me right now" the quarterbacks are not given time to develop. If at team like New England, say, were to draft a guy to wait on for a number of years, it would be unheard of, and yet they trade away Cassell to KC as the next savior. My original point, and the one that precipitated this debate was that teams can draft and develop QB's like the Redskins of yesteryear and offer them as trade bait. Moe wants to draft or sign guys who are borderline QB's in college but possessing of excellent athletic abilities keeping them on the roster in the third QB role as kind of a "slash" player. I'm saying those guys never develop. What are the prospects for a guy like Pat White? He's a taste of something different who won't last for long. Meanwhile, the Dolphins use up develop time on a QB who won't pan out. Let me ask this question: "If Pennington is truly done, who replaces him as the backup QB in Miami?" I bet your answer isn't Pat White.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Dayum....Colt still working wit McNabb?? lolol...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM
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Picturing the dogs from that Sylvester the Cat cartoon where one idolizes the other:

"Hey Spike, you gonna throw the long ball today? Heh, heh, Spike - I mean Donovan - you going to throw to the tight end underneath today?"

Colt Brennan had his ten minutes and now it is time for the next guy. He is just bathing in the light from McNabb...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 22, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Dayum....Colt still working wit McNabb?? lolol...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM

Just for a few more weeks, until he gets his pink slip.

Oh, you meant this thread still being the most recent thread. In which case, yeah, just for a few more weeks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 22, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Noted last season that despite the supposed fact that the games were all allegedly sell outs -- some games clearly had one-third or more of the seats empty throughout.

We can presume that the 4-12 record -- and all of the associated dramatics -- had something to do with it...

along with the team's continued abuse of the fan base -- as in, confiscating signs, refusing entry to anyone who was deemed to be inappropriately dressed, or other stadium prohibitions against normal American civil liberties...

along with a suspect relationship between the Redskins ticket office and secondary ticket sellers (i.e. Stub Hub, Tickets Now, etc)... that allegedly gave them the right to block purchase large numbers of seats before or instead of offering them to the general public...

as well as the well documented interest of the team in making premium money off of premium seats... as they can charge higher fees and collect higher returns for specially designated club level seats and boxes...

As well as team sponsored maximization of the parking lot spaces and fees and the discouragement of private tailgating around the stadium...

Long and short of it is that while all of the seats may have in fact been "sold", they were not as often "occupied."

Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, of course... just saying.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

"I bet your answer isn't Pat White."

In the dolphins' case, Chad Pennington really isn't done.

It's just that Chad Henne is warming up.

So they go into every game with two starting q-backs.

Not bad.

In Pat White, they have a guy who'll either become a better quarterback or adept at some other thing that gives him value.

And for me, that's a better use of a roster spot than some guy just holding a clipboard every Sunday.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

pat White:


Ricky Williams says Pat White is the Dolphins' most improved player
Posted by Mike Florio on June 27, 2010 3:39 PM ET
Last year, Pat White matched new WVU Athletic Director Oliver Luck as the quarterback drafted highest in Mountaineer history.

A year later, some think White will struggle to stay in the league.

Though we doubt that he'd be cut by the Dolphins, a sense has emerged that he could end up moved to a new position or traded if his development at quarterback doesn't accelerate.

Or maybe he needs to do a better job of fitting in with his teammates, perhaps by getting arrested once or twice.

At least one of his teammates has found a spot in White's corner. According to Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald, running back Ricky Williams believes there's "no doubt" that White is the team's most improved player.

"He's a quarterback now," Williams said.

Whether White has improved enough remains to be seen. We're partial to him because of his exploits in Morgantown. But we realize that, like Major Harris 20 years ago, a guy has to be good enough at the next level or he won't last.

In 2009, White simply wasn't good enough.

In 2010, maybe he will be.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 22, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Long and short of it is that while all of the seats may have in fact been "sold", they were not as often "occupied."

Not that there's anything wrong with any of that, of course... just saying.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 1:58 PM

personally, my opinion is that everything is wrong with that.

even now that I'm a long-distance fan from Idaho, it bums me out to see terrible towels, empty seats, etc... it's not just the attendance numbers, but the questionable allegiances of the people who attend.

even though the stadium and fan experience are flawed, a winning team would go a long way toward fixing some of this.... although that might not matter in terms of Snyder's business model.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"games may be blacked out in DC? What happened to Snyder's 200k person season tix. waiting list?"

A lot of those 200k (if there ever were that many) have surely been removed as possible ticket-buyers by the economy, the team's lousy performance in recent years, death or a less-permanent variety of relocation. Anyway, here's an article that discusses the possibility of no more sell-outs.

http://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/blogs/citydesk/2010/07/20/will-the-nfl-enforce-its-blackout-policy-here/

I got on the waiting list right after FedEx opened in 1997, and I was able to purchase my tix a few weeks ago. I have to say that, had Snyder not fired Vinny and stepped back from the day-to-day operations of the team, I would not have bought tickets. And if it appears that Snyder resumes making football decisions, I won't renew. If season tickets have become such a hard sell, it looks like a lot of others have become even more disenchanted than I have become.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

So, is it too early to post some 53 man roster predictions?

(It's never too early to post another thread, J Reid et al)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 22, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

per the lack of RI updates and 'skins stadium attendance...

if you can post a single non-story and generate 874+ replies, why expend the effort to post more often (e.g., 10 posts @ ca. 100 replies each)?

if you can field a 4-12 team and generate $345+ million in revenue, why worry about true competitiveness on the field?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 22, 2010 1:29 PM

since bigfoot has spent the past several decades in back-country forests collecting berries and gnawing on tree bark, a cursory review of NFL TV blackout policies is in order:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_on_television#Blackout_policies

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification all. What a bunch of BS.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 22, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I think that I will follow the team on twitter for at least you get some new news unlike here

Posted by: joevick2 | July 22, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone listen to "This American Life" on NPR?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"even though the stadium and fan experience are flawed, a winning team would go a long way toward fixing some of this.... although that might not matter in terms of Snyder's business model."

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse


--

Obviously, only the man himself can speak to his business model... that is, if he were so inclined... which he apparently isn't... given his general reluctance to grant interviews or talk openly about his principal investment.

So we can only presume and suppose...

… that Danny is less committed to winning than to selling seats... and concessions... and team merchandise.

We note his continuing interest in signing a big name player or two every off season who can generate some buzz, and sell tickets, jerseys and other junk...

We will also note that in any given season, the Redskins player salary pool has been held fairly constant to around $200 million or so -- which goes to a mix of overpriced and underperforming veterans -- along with a few dozen other journeymen and youngsters who will dress out at league minimum wages -- and fill out the depth charts, but probably never excel.

So we have a upper class, and a lower class -- but no middle class for players on this team.

Most other successful franchises erly heavily on their middle class players to win championships.

We also note there is little attention given to scouting, finding players in the lower rounds of the college drafts, or the development of up and coming players on the current roster.

We especially note that the Redskins are said to be one of the most lucrative franchises in the NFL... some estimate that it generates more that $2 BILLION in revenue each year... and every year… despite long run of mediocre or worse football under Danny and his revolving door of coaches, systems, big name players and mediocre supporting casts.

Some might call it Vinny’s Legacy -- but the real credit should go to Danny. We know Vinny was nothing more than a fool and a foil -- and only responsible for giving the owner some semblance of cover and deniability for what he has done to this once-proud franchise.

And they can dig up all of the legendary names of the past… like Lombardi, and Allen, and Gibbs, and Shanahan… and again claim, as they have each off-season before this, that they have finally learned their lessons and will now change for the better.

But we also note that while this owner has consistently professed his commitment to winning... the only consistency thus far has been a solid return on investment for the man -- and some pretty mediocre (albeit profitable) football.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I call the Davis pick a loss because we already have a Pro-Bowl TE here. I know you can play both of them at the same time, but nobody can make me believe we wouldn't be better off with another solid starter on the O-line/D-line instead of having a really good backup TE. The only way that's a good pick is if Cooley gets hurt to the point that he's no longer a weapon and Davis steps up and becomes (at a minimum) a solid starter. Complete guesswork on my part, but I doubt that happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:39 AM

I can certainly understand your reasoning and also think the pick/picks would have been better spent on Oline however I don't believe the Davis pick is a loss. I would call the other 2 a loss before that one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile:

Nats 7

Reds 1


I wonder if the Nats FO will think to burn a lil cash and add a reasonably priced starter to match with SS.

They'll soon be in the awkward position of having only one guy to count on every 5 days.

And that'll beg the following question: are the Nats serious about winning or committed to using SS as some kind of pitching circus freak?

I say they should spend money and let the chips fall.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

But we also note that while this owner has consistently professed his commitment to winning... the only consistency thus far has been a solid return on investment for the man -- and some pretty mediocre (albeit profitable) football.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 3:01 PM

trying not to quibble with details here... although you should check on the difference between revenue and net worth (and even then you've probably over-estimated).

still, agree with the gist of what you're saying, and definitely not a supporter of folks who invoke stuff like "Danny is the biggest fan" to defend the lame product on the field.

the owner may be a fan, but the financial return for Snyder (media contracts, ticket sales, merchandise, advertising, etc) far outweighs the occasional side-bets we might place among friends, bookies, or at Vegas... and as far as our emotional attachment is considered, well... that's just a business opportunity.

I'm still hanging in there, and it's been a long time for gratification, but let's see what happens over the next couple of years (said Lucy to Charlie Brown).

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Dont worry Moe a bunch of pitchers are on their way. JZimm is with the p-nats throwing 95 again and Detwiler tosed 7inning shutout last night for AA. The ptching can get better, guarantee they get a very good vet to pitch behind Stras next year. It wont be like past offseasons such as last year when Jon Garland refused to sign with us and went to SD. Pitchers want to be on the same squad as Strasburg

Posted by: Stu27 | July 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

My hunch is that all these players will be replaced withn two years when their franchises drafts a starter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 1:27 PM

Can't prove a prediction wrong right now. But I'd bet money not ALL of the QBs you named will be replaced in 2 years. I'd bet about half of them will.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 22, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"I say they should spend money and let the chips fall"

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 3:16 PM |

--

We should have an answer soon -- as they approach deadline for signing Harper -- and we discover exactly what they plan to do Dunn and Willingham as the end of July trade deadline looms. Nats appear to have the core elements for a long term run at success, but need to commit to filling in the gaps.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

football is exhausted, baseball has taken over.

however we can get to 1000 posts, it doesn't matter...

enjoy and cheers, the garden and kid sports beckon.

catch you cows later.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 22, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

What the nats really need is a freakin middle infield. Their defense is just so putrid sometimes.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 22, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Nats appear to have the core elements for a long term run at success, but need to commit to filling in the gaps."


A low key guy like Ted Lilly (Cubs) would make a nice fit for the Nats.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone listen to "This American Life" on NPR?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I do. Great program, it used to be on HBO as a TV series, not sure if it is anymore. Gotta love NPR though.

KOJO! KOJO! KOJO! GO!

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | July 22, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone listen to "This American Life" on NPR?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I listen to the podcast. great show. I wonder how Ira Glass would do as an NFL play-by-play guy.

Posted by: heyjoe728 | July 22, 2010 4:14 PM | Report abuse

We should have an answer soon -- as they approach deadline for signing Harper -- and we discover exactly what they plan to do Dunn and Willingham as the end of July trade deadline looms. Nats appear to have the core elements for a long term run at success, but need to commit to filling in the gaps.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 22, 2010 3:28 PM

If they let Dunn And Willingham go for "prospects" you will have all the answers you need. They will never be winners.

The stadium sells out when Strasberg is on the mound - so we know this town WILL support a winner, and there is money to be made. At least sign Dunn, then go get some pitchers, another catcher (because Nieves is hopeless) and a solid SS, 2nd Base and CF.

Posted by: edvar | July 22, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Boo baseball talk. The only thing more boring than baseball is talking about baseball. Boo.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough. T'is a football blog.

Posted by: edvar | July 22, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 22, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Welcome aboard Vincent Jackson!

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

sorry...that was almost better than a fake PFT post.....that felt good....I wont lie to you....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 22, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Beanie, whats with the fake "beep beep"?

And Mack, Do you know something about V Jackson that no one else seem to know?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey Beanie, whats with the fake "beep beep"?

And Mack, Do you know something about V Jackson that no one else seem to know?


Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 5:05 PM

I'm sure he was playing off the fake beep

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Where is JR? No insider posts in a while....It is Hell Week...You would think he would give us some tidbits...Oh well, probably overpaid & sluffing his duties...

Posted by: birdytom | July 22, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Where is JR? No insider posts in a while....It is Hell Week...You would think he would give us some tidbits...Oh well, probably overpaid & sluffing his duties...

Posted by: birdytom | July 22, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

although that might not matter in terms of Snyder's business model.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

`

Especially since Snyder doesn't play football.

Every NFL team goes through tough times. Only one team can win the Superbowl per year. There are only so many good players to go around. Every team can't have a Peyton Manning or a Ray Lewis.

We must remember that it is the players that decide the outcome on the field, not the owners. We were struggling before Snyder took over.

And if the argument is that the owner is responsible for choosing talent or hiring someone to do it, then the obvious counter is that finding talent is hit or miss to begin with for every team.

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"Fair enough. T'is a football blog."

Yeah. Like that ever stopped folks from posting about politics, movies, sex, parking tickets, or anything else that might strike their fancy.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 22, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Trent Williams will be playing right tackle by week 3

Who signs with the Skins first - T. Williams or T.O.?

Posted by: coparker5 | July 22, 2010 9:59 AM

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Well since he is penciled in as the starting left tackle, the only way he ends up at right tackle is if he's not up to the challenge.

So, I respectfully hope you are wrong.

Posted by: Vicc | July 22, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

It was like an alley-oop.

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Well played, gentlemen. Beantown's Wall to mack1's Mcgee for the slam. Dammit, that hook's gonna leave a mark...

I was all "new cedar chips! new cedar chips" and y'all were like "nah-ah"

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 22, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

scamp, I call the Davis pick a loss because we already have a Pro-Bowl TE here. I know you can play both of them at the same time, but nobody can make me believe we wouldn't be better off with another solid starter on the O-line/D-line instead of having a really good backup TE. The only way that's a good pick is if Cooley gets hurt to the point that he's no longer a weapon and Davis steps up and becomes (at a minimum) a solid starter. Complete guesswork on my part, but I doubt that happens.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 22, 2010 11:39 AM

Agreed. It is not like Cooley was getting up in years where drafting his eventual replacement was necessary. Cooley was what 26 at the time. Teams typically don't carry two top level TEs for very long. One of them is probably going to be traded in the next couple of years or Davis will resign somewhere else where he can get all of the targets.

On the another post that blames Zorn for Thomas and Kelly's development. I completely disagree with that. No free passes for those two guys. If you are a good receiver you run good routes and get open. If I remember correctly the wr coach was the same as under Gibbs.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

How will the club deal with this oppressive and unprecedented heat in a week? Oh, and by the way, a new blog damn it!!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 22, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

This post will remain up until Colt Brennan is no longer working out with McNabb, receivers.

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

On the another post that blames Zorn for Thomas and Kelly's development. I completely disagree with that. No free passes for those two guys. If you are a good receiver you run good routes and get open. If I remember correctly the wr coach was the same as under Gibbs.

Posted by: srobert1117

So when you design plays that have the ideal possession receiver (Kelly) running fly routes, and your faster receiver (Thomas) running routes over the middle, how is that not on the coach (Zorn)?

Balderdash! Some of their stunted growth is most certainly on Zorn, maybe not all, but part of it is on him.

Zorn was a clueless idiot who had not a clue on how to maximize the talent on his roster. Everyone knows that you gotta at least put guys in the right spots to excel, and Zorn couldn't even do that!

And from what I recall, receiver was a problem when Gibbs was here. When Gibbs was here it was: Run Portis, run Portis, run Portis some more, throw screens or flies to Moss, run Portis, throw to Cooley over the middle, and run Portis just a little more.

The passing game under Gibbs was almost just as inept as it was under Zorn.

The only difference was Gibbs/Saunders put guys in the right spots to succeed.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

We haven't had an offense since Norv.

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

basically, mack...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The first of the 1st rounders has signed a contract. Des Bryant has signed his deal with the Cowpukes. hopefully this will get the ball rolling for the signings of all the 1st rounders.

Sign, T Williams, sign!

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Good Grief,
One would think that at least by now there would be one Skins reporter who has done his homework and reporting to us that Albert has indeed lost 32 lbs.
And after doing nothing but eating junk food and drinking soft drinks had expanded to 390 lbs and is now down to 358 lbs.

Seriously, I wonder what "AH has lost 32 lbs" means? Why didn't he tell us what AH actually weighs?
Yea, I thought that's what it means.....
HTTR

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 22, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

It's pathetic Red. Because it's been a waste of a good D for a few years too. I wonder if it has anything to do with the owner limiting his interest to the offensive side of the team? With the exception of Dion, Bruce Smith, Sean Gilbert, AH and a few other flops I don't care to recall.

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Ray I think it means he lost a leg.

Posted by: mack1 | July 22, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"The more I learn, the less I know."

---from, "The Uncollected Comments of Mistamoe," blog hog emeritus.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

915 comments and counting.

Will "Colt Brennan working out with McNabb, receivers" make it to 1,000?

We'll see.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

redskinray

"Seriously, I wonder what "AH has lost 32 lbs" means?"

It means several things and one thing all at the same time:

a.) a stellar season maximizes the new defensive scheme

b.) a fit AH with a great season becomes trait bait worthy of a #1 pick next spring

c.) the $21 million bonus was worth it

d.) a plate o' crow buffet line will form: expect several posters to be in line with plates.

Me?: I ate my crow already.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

J Reid will give us a new post as soon as the comments reach 990, just to prevent us from getting to the 1000 mark. I'm sure he has it wriiten and is just waiting for the right moment to press send.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Now Ken, we all know that the crow is not made of green cheese.

Ken Waller: Yes, that's true Harry.

Harry Caray: But what if it were made of barbeque spare ribs, would you eat it then?

Ken Waller: What?

Harry Caray: I know I would. Heck! I'd have seconds and then polish it off with a tall cool Budweiser. - - - I would do it. Would you?

Ken Waller: I'm confused.

Moe, could you pass me another beer please? And stop bogarting that other thing...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 22, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

If Fat Albert is still on the team when the regular season starts, I will eat my share of the crow. I'm sure if I cook it up in a curry I can make it palatable. In addition to being the Cheezemaster, I am also a curry master!

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

It's not like there haven't been 1,000 comment threads before.

It's just never taken this long to do it.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 22, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

This is effing ridiculous that there hasn't been a post since Monday!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 22, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

gross-man rosenfels and brennan will be given the benefit of any doubt because they are so-called white men, neither of them are any good injury prone weaklings that many so-called white men on this blog(and in the world for that matter)will come up with any lame reason(s) to justify them being on the team/or coming. there is only 1 qb on the team now mcnabb, the rest of those sub-standard bums are garbage they should not even be in the nfl..but they are so-called white men and that makes all the difference.

Posted by: wathu19 | July 22, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

So when you design plays that have the ideal possession receiver (Kelly) running fly routes, and your faster receiver (Thomas) running routes over the middle, how is that not on the coach (Zorn)?

Balderdash! Some of their stunted growth is most certainly on Zorn, maybe not all, but part of it is on him.

Zorn was a clueless idiot who had not a clue on how to maximize the talent on his roster. Everyone knows that you gotta at least put guys in the right spots to excel, and Zorn couldn't even do that!

And from what I recall, receiver was a problem when Gibbs was here. When Gibbs was here it was: Run Portis, run Portis, run Portis some more, throw screens or flies to Moss, run Portis, throw to Cooley over the middle, and run Portis just a little more.

The passing game under Gibbs was almost just as inept as it was under Zorn.

The only difference was Gibbs/Saunders put guys in the right spots to succeed.

Posted by: RedDMV

You can either get open or you can't. There are plenty of players that have washed out of the league that have all of the measurements of these guys. Zorn was not a good coach and was definitely over his skis but if those guys showed anything they would have received more playing time and been more productive.

While everyone likes to be arm chair QBs, I will take Zorn and Gibbs staffs' opinion and use of players over anyone on here. Neither one of them could replace ARE which tells you how well they were doing.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Red bustin out the balderdash whoopin stick!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 22, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

So when you design plays that have the ideal possession receiver (Kelly) running fly routes, and your faster receiver (Thomas) running routes over the middle, how is that not on the coach (Zorn)?

Balderdash! Some of their stunted growth is most certainly on Zorn, maybe not all, but part of it is on him.

Zorn was a clueless idiot who had not a clue on how to maximize the talent on his roster. Everyone knows that you gotta at least put guys in the right spots to excel, and Zorn couldn't even do that!

And from what I recall, receiver was a problem when Gibbs was here. When Gibbs was here it was: Run Portis, run Portis, run Portis some more, throw screens or flies to Moss, run Portis, throw to Cooley over the middle, and run Portis just a little more.

The passing game under Gibbs was almost just as inept as it was under Zorn.

The only difference was Gibbs/Saunders put guys in the right spots to succeed.

Posted by: RedDMV

You can either get open or you can't. The fact that they could not outperform Randle El that tells me all I need to know about them. I am sure Zorn purposely only put Thomas and Kelly in a position to fail. While making sure to put ARE and Moss in a position to double the production of the young guys. I have read nothing that would lead one to believe that Shanny thinks those two are going to be solid receivers. At this stage they are just two more poor picks by Cerrato. Nothing more nothing less.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Wathu19, you are a racist idiot.
1.) Most of us folk up here are very happy to have McNabb as our starter. We don't care weather he's black or white.

2.) Sage Rosenfels and Rex Grossman are two seperate people. Most of us are highly sceptical of Grossman's abilities and would rather have a different backup quarterback. Some of us have suggested Rosenfels because he has played under Kyle Shanahan in the past, just like Grossman has. I have never heard any mention of skin color in this discussion.

3.) Most of us think Colt Brennan is mediocre at best, and won't care if he gets cut.

So to sum it all up, we LIKE the "black guy" starter, have doubts about the "white guy" back-ups, and would prefer to have a better back-up who happens to already know our coach's offensive system. I think that the majority of posters up here feel that way regardless of the color of their skin.

How does ANY of that support YOUR racist argument?

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

gross-man rosenfels and brennan will be given the benefit of any doubt because they are so-called white men, neither of them are any good injury prone weaklings that many so-called white men on this blog(and in the world for that matter)will come up with any lame reason(s) to justify them being on the team/or coming. there is only 1 qb on the team now mcnabb, the rest of those sub-standard bums are garbage they should not even be in the nfl..but they are so-called white men and that makes all the difference.

Posted by: wathu19 | July 22, 2010 8:09 PM

ummm.....yeah....doesn't pass the sniff test...you are definitely white...

Posted by: Risa_L | July 22, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

srob, I'm not sure I understand, could you clarify? Please hold...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 22, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

You can either get open or you can't. There are plenty of players that have washed out of the league that have all of the measurements of these guys. Zorn was not a good coach and was definitely over his skis but if those guys showed anything they would have received more playing time and been more productive.

While everyone likes to be arm chair QBs, I will take Zorn and Gibbs staffs' opinion and use of players over anyone on here. Neither one of them could replace ARE which tells you how well they were doing.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 8:22 PM

Yet Devin Thomas enters training camp as the starting flanker after offseason workouts with a roster full of WRs with more experience both in the league and in the WCO. I guess Shanny sees something that the other staff didn't.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

gross-man rosenfels and brennan will be given the benefit of any doubt because they are so-called white men, neither of them are any good injury prone weaklings that many so-called white men on this blog(and in the world for that matter)will come up with any lame reason(s) to justify them being on the team/or coming. there is only 1 qb on the team now mcnabb, the rest of those sub-standard bums are garbage they should not even be in the nfl..but they are so-called white men and that makes all the difference.

Posted by: wathu19 | July 22, 2010 8:09 PM

Well, add another retarded race baiter to the ranks. Bag o' nickles wathu, bag o' nickles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey wathu, how did Kordell Stewart remain in the league as long as he did? Why is Tarvaris Jackson still here?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 22, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yo, Bobby. You post up this joint too so doesn't that make you an "arm chair QB" too?

No one claims or perpetrates to know they know more than either Zorn or Gibbs, but that doesn't mean they didn't do things right or are above criticism. Especially when its some crystal clear bull'ish like some swing gate stuff (TWICE or more like consecutively after a TIMEOUT) or calling back to back timeouts...

"Neither one of them could replace ARE which tells you how well they were doing."

Well Al Saunders was the one along with Gibbs who gave the phat contract to Brandon f-ing Lloyd based off two highlight catches, and THAT goes to show how good both were at evaluating talent or evaluating players worth.

"You can either get open or you can't.'

Well if they were going with this train of thought, I guess it was only a matter of time we'd see Cooley on fly routes too, huh? Spare me...

"... if those guys showed anything they would have received more playing time and been more productive."

Right, and it only took a Cooley shattered ankle for Zorn to know that Fred Davis had a little game.

"Zorn was not a good coach and was definitely over his skis..."

Yup, we can agree on this fact, but more like above his pay grade. Dude wasn't even ever a O-coordinator at the NFL level and this is the doofus that was designing plays for the offense.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"So when you design plays that have the ideal possession receiver (Kelly) running fly routes, and your faster receiver (Thomas) running routes over the middle, how is that not on the coach (Zorn)?"

I don't follow this argument. Devin Thomas may be faster than Kelly, but Kelly is more of a prototypical downfield receiver -- comfortable catching in stride. Thomas is like a RB in a WR's frame, best at catching the ball underneath and bursting upfield.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"So when you design plays that have the ideal possession receiver (Kelly) running fly routes, and your faster receiver (Thomas) running routes over the middle, how is that not on the coach (Zorn)?"

I don't follow this argument. Devin Thomas may be faster than Kelly, but Kelly is more of a prototypical downfield receiver -- comfortable catching in stride. Thomas is like a RB in a WR's frame, best at catching the ball underneath and bursting upfield.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

What wide receiver isn't comfortable catching in stride?

Isn't that sort of like a cornerback that is not comfortable running backwards?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 22, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

walrus19-

I don't like McNabb because he's an Eagle and I don't like you because you're an idiot.

I root for the Redskins so by default I'll root for McNabb.

Oh and I don't like Grossman, Brennan, or Rosenfels because they can't play.

I wouldn't care if our QB was an Orange, hermaphrodite, fat slob if he/she won us games. Probably wouldn't buy he/she's jersey tho..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

"Kelly is more of a prototypical downfield receiver..."

And I don't quite understand this statement...

How are you a "prototypical down field receiver" when you don't have the speed to be so?

I know the 'skins season was in the sh*tter by week 17, but please explain how he was caught on this play?

And save "because the other guy was faster" 'cause if he was really the "prototypical down field receiver" he would've out ran dude for six.

They all do... if they have the speed.

Which Kelly doesn't.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

We love you Cindy
Oh, yes we do
We love you Cindy
And we'll be true.

When you're not near us
We're blue.
Oh, Cindy, we love you!

Give us a new thread!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 22, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

One more reason to not listen to 106.7 the fan.

Posted by: TWISI


Like, $30,000 dollar co-sign on this one... I can't stand the fan... from their morning show to Wise, to Lavar.

Maybe a mea culpa is in order, but I'd rather listen to Steve Czaban and Andy Pollin ANY day over ANY of those shows.

Dirty little secret ('cause it seems like many people hate Czaban), but dude is hilarious to me. Find both to be entertaining on the drive home after a day at work.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Greatest Redskin Moments for me:
1- skins go in to Dallas and win 20-16 in 1971
George Allen and the Skins were going to be good!!!

2- Skins defeat Cowboys 26-3 at RFK for NFC Championship; that was exillerating.

3- Ken Houston stops Walt Garrison at Goal line in 1973 I think it was on MNF and Skins win 14-7.

4- In the mud and Snow, Moseley kicks FG to break NFL Record and Skins clinch playoff birth in 82 for first time since 76--- I was in RFK that day.

5- 4th and 1 Riggo behind Grimm, and Jacoby to defeat 'Phins in SB XVII

6- Skins crush Dallas in Dallas as both teams were 12-2 in the famous "No, Danny, No!" game.
Skins won 31-10.

7- 4th and Goal Minnesota's pass is incomplete and Skins are going to SB XXII

8- The Quarter

9- The Seat Cushions

10- Skins burying Buffalo 24-0 in 3rd and coast to 37-24 win in SB XXVI.


Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 22, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Fun article over on footballoutsiders concerning ways to predict the impact of a first-round OL on wins... conclusion being it's pretty darn difficult. They experimented with 6 different predictive models. In case you don't speak Geek, the summary:

In 4 of the 6 models, 'there was at least some support for the general theory that drafting a 1st-round OL indirectly increases wins, with more support in Years 2 and 3 [after drafted] than in Year 1.'

So you can expect to see improvement in the win totals by the third year but not necessarily before. And of course there's no way to predict exactly how many wins will result.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

It's pathetic Red. Because it's been a waste of a good D for a few years too. I wonder if it has anything to do with the owner limiting his interest to the offensive side of the team? With the exception of Dion, Bruce Smith, Sean Gilbert, AH and a few other flops I don't care to recall.

Posted by: mack1

A good waste of defense indeed.. were there any FA during Snyder's era that made noise on another team?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The first of the 1st rounders has signed a contract. Des Bryant has signed his deal with the Cowpukes. hopefully this will get the ball rolling for the signings of all the 1st rounders.

Sign, T Williams, sign!

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 22, 2010 7:02 PM

Probably not going to happen until the 3rd pick (McCoy) signs..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

"How are you a "prototypical down field receiver" when you don't have the speed to be so?And save "because the other guy was faster" 'cause if he was really the "prototypical down field receiver" he would've out ran dude for six.They all do... if they have the speed.Which Kelly doesn't.Posted by: RedDMV"

This probably won't make sense to you either, because of your preoccupation with raw speed, but speed is only one weapon for a downfield receiver. Others include height (or more accurately, 'length') and the ability to catch the ball, usually over the shoulder, without breaking stride.

Example that occurs to me is Michael Irvin, never particularly fast but very adept at reaching up and grabbing the long ball over much faster DBs like Darrell Green. Larry Fitzgerald isn't particularly fast, either, but has a knack for catching balls downfield in full stride. Of course, a lot of any WR's performance is the QB, and both those guys played with great ones.

That's not to diminish the downfield ability of a sprinter like Randy Moss, who in his prime was probably better than either of them.

Many teams like to put their fastest receiver in the slot in hopes of getting him the ball underneath the coverage and allowing him to turn it into a long gain of the sort he might not get if he ran a post pattern downfield.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Worst MOments in Skins History for me?

Vince Lombardi died; I cried as a little boy

Losing in SB VII to Miami; last time I cried due to Skins

Feeling awfully humiliated by Vikings in Playoff in MN as Skins were down 35-3 before losing 35-20

In 78, Skins started 6-0 only to finish 8-8 that was pretty bad

In 79 Skins led Dallas in Dallas 34-21 after a long Riggo TD Run, then I watched Dallas score twice to win 35-34

80 was miserable: as Riggo heart-broken retired early and Skins went 6-10 and Jack Pardee was fired and it was time to rebuild.

81 the rebuilding stunk, I thought good grief is Gibbs going to win a game this year, as Skins started 0-5.

83 Season opener Skins destroying Dallas 23-3 at the Half on MNF only to get kicked by Dallas in 2nd half losing 31-30; that was pretty low...

Skins thrashed and embarrassed by Raiders in SB XVIII 38-9

85 Season Opener Skins were horrible!!!
Dallas destroyed them 44-14 I think

86 getting shut out by Giants in NFC Championship game 17-0

88 Seeing it all fall apart as Gibbs suffered first and only losing season in Gibbs 1.0 as Skins were only 7-9

93 How Quickly can a franchise fall apart after Gibbs departed? 4-12 I think it was

2000 After such expectations following making the playoffs in 99, that team was 6-2 and finished what 8-8 I think? Norv was fired.

2001 Marty starting out 0-5

2002 and 2003 Spurrier providing no hope only a downward spiral culminating in a 27-0 loss to Dallas I think it was.

2006 Gibbs 2.0 after leading team to playoffs in 2005 the Team quickly went backwards; what was it 5-11?? 6-10>

2009 Zorn 2nd year never in control, never providing any hope; misery is what we felt all season

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 22, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Yet Devin Thomas enters training camp as the starting flanker after offseason workouts with a roster full of WRs with more experience both in the league and in the WCO. I guess Shanny sees something that the other staff didn't.

Posted by: TWISI

Over Bobby Wade and 38 year old Joey Galloway. That is a ringing endorsement!

People on here do not even agree on what type of receivers they are and how they would be best used. I would love to see one NFL analyst who has been quoted as saying that the Redskins were using Thomas all wrong last year.

Zorn was brought in to be an OC and because Snyder fffed it up so bad he became HC and OC. That being said Zorn was a QB and a QB coach for many many years. I am fairly certain he knew how to use his wrs. His schemes and play calling may leave a lot to be desired I am fairly certain that Thomas and Kelly sucked because well they suck. With each passing year of mediocrity it becomes clear that they were never cut out for the NFL. This is it for them. There is no one else on the roster and they are going to get the targets. Make or break. Although rarely do receivers show so little in the first two years and then develop into good players later. You either have it or you don't.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | July 22, 2010 9:25 PM |

I understand what you're saying about speed not being the only requirement to be a down field threat. I think if you don't have speed, then you have to be able to run precise routes and to be physical when the ball is in the air. To date, from all accounts, Kelly hasn't been a good route runner so his lack of speed hurts his ability to get open deep. The few times that he's had a chance to be physical and "take" the ball away from the db, he hasn't done so. I'm really hoping that Kelly comes on. I remember him playing in college and thinking that he would be a talent in the NFL. Hope he proves me right this year.

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about Kelly and the odds of him making the 53 man are a coin flip at best..

The only thing he's done for the Redskins is help us beat the tampering charges when we signed fat F AH.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die.

Posted by: TheCork

Did not know Merle Haggard was at Q when Cash appeared there. It inspired dude to be a singer and straighten out his life.

Posted by: TheCork | July 22, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I once heard a lecture regarding a very thorough book he had written.
After his lecture they opened up the floor for one hour of Q/A.
The author was asked by a foreigner whose English was a bit rough, "May I ask you, what does "gagging" mean?
The audience cracked up!
The Author used the word in the title of his book, by the way.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 22, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Although rarely do receivers show so little in the first two years and then develop into good players later. You either have it or you don't.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I dunno about that statement. I can think of three right off the top of my head that would prove that statement inaccurate without doing any research: V Jackson, R White, S Rice. The third is often the make or break year for WRs

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

951 posts and counting.


I feel like Dick Clark wonderin' when 12:00 pm will come?

'Cept it's the 1,000th post we're waiting for.

With luck, a giant, glittery disco ball will fall to mark the occasion.

And with even better luck, we'll get a new thread informing us that now "Hell Week" is over, Colt will go workout with Todd Collins.

How else is he going to get his clipboard holding skills together?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 22, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

"...a man with means is a friend you need, but a friend with needs is a man to whom you should be mean..."

---quoted from, "The Uncollected Philosophy of Mistamoe, vol. II" resident arrogant blog hogg.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 22, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

If we get to 1000 everyone donates $10 to their favorite charity. Otherwise I'd never say yeah, Dez signs!

Whoever said posts once got to 5000 was wrong. I think the record is around 1500. You'd have to check with a chick from Martha's Vineyard to be sure, but it is attainable, even without Cindy's help.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 22, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

brownwood

"...Brennan stepping up into that backup QB role only helps. Here's hoping his game catches up to his swagger..."

If the choice is between the undrafted D Clark and Brennan, I'm taking Clark with the hope he can became a 'wildcat' type q-back and solid special teamer like B Smith of the Jets.

Depth players should do more than hold a clipboard or workout with the starter during the offseason.

I'd say carrying a 3rd string, 3rd year quarterback who's just that is a waste of a roster spot.

And that spot should go to a guy who can do a couple of things well, even if he's not a starter.

Colt had better learn to cover punts or else, if I'm coaching, he's gone.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 7:35 AM


I agree with the exception of QB. Having a competent back up can save you a few games or even a season if your starter goes down provided the supporting cast, especially the O line, is strong. Remember Brunnell and Collins. I'm not saying Brennan will be able to do that, but it seems more than almost any other position, you never really know what you have at QB until you get them into a real game.

Posted by: kenboy1 | July 22, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

brownwood

"...Brennan stepping up into that backup QB role only helps. Here's hoping his game catches up to his swagger..."

If the choice is between the undrafted D Clark and Brennan, I'm taking Clark with the hope he can became a 'wildcat' type q-back and solid special teamer like B Smith of the Jets.

Depth players should do more than hold a clipboard or workout with the starter during the offseason.

I'd say carrying a 3rd string, 3rd year quarterback who's just that is a waste of a roster spot.

And that spot should go to a guy who can do a couple of things well, even if he's not a starter.

Colt had better learn to cover punts or else, if I'm coaching, he's gone.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 19, 2010 7:35 AM


I agree with the exception of QB. Having a competent back up can save you a few games or even a season if your starter goes down provided the supporting cast, especially the O line, is strong. Remember Brunnell and Collins. I'm not saying Brennan will be able to do that, but it seems more than almost any other position, you never really know what you have at QB until you get them into a real game.

Posted by: kenboy1 | July 22, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

There has been an epidemic of multiple posts…

2x post ...apologies accepted (nothing you can do about it)
3x = is a 1 day suspension
4X = 1 week
5x = New handle
6x = legend

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

And with even better luck, we'll get a new thread informing us that now "Hell Week" is over, Colt will go workout with Todd Collins.

How else is he going to get his clipboard holding skills together?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Geez man, get a life! Don't you have anything else to say than your derogatory remarks about Brennan?
Go play in traffic, you will do us all a favor.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 22, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Looks like 1k posts in the thread is a lock.

Whats the record?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 22, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KurtShanaman

Hopefully Colt has survival skills commiserate of the best Navy Seals because he's in a battle for his Redskin life. He's done nothing and is in a battle with a guy named Richard Bartel.

So Far advantage...Bartel

Aloha means goodbye..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 22, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

And with even better luck, we'll get a new thread informing us that now "Hell Week" is over, Colt will go workout with Todd Collins.

How else is he going to get his clipboard holding skills together?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Geez man, get a life! Don't you have anything else to say than your derogatory remarks about Brennan?
Go play in traffic, you will do us all a favor.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | July 22, 2010 11:41 PM
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I think he would only be doing you a favor Shanaman, because in case you haven't noticed, you are the only one on this blog pulling for Brennan. The rest of us have come to the conclusion that he is an injury prone egotistical little punk with no future in the NFL. Your hero is a zero. Get on with your life.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I recall a 1200+ thread once. It was a retarded off season one just like this...painful

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 23, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I have 3 picks from the 2008 draft joining Durant Brooks as ex Redskins...

Malcom Kelly
Colt Brennan
Rob Jackson

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 23, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

From Hog Haven...

Most Valuable 2010 Contracts:

Brian Orakpo: $395K (Got a $12.1m 21.1m bonus last year). Contract ends in 2014 where he'll only be making $1.283mm a year then). By far the best contract on the team, which highlights the value of drafting over free agency.

Jammal Brown: $3.619mm (Steal for a Pro-Bowl Tackle). Brown came to the Redskins via trade after signing his RFA tender with the Saints.

Devin Thomas/Fred Davis: $470K. Both will make $555K next year and will become RFAs.

Least Valuable:
Since everyone's salaries are so low from signing bonuses and the Redskins cleaned house from so many bad contracts, there's almost none left.

Clinton Portis: $7.191mm Slated to make $8.5mm in 2012 and 2013, which is when the contract ends. I still think we should have cut Clinton. I love him, but after this season, I'm thinking that $17mil is as good as gone.

Haynesworth: $3.6mm. No matter how you look at it the Haynesworth contract is down-right awful. He's slated to make $3.6mm this year, which he could get anywhere, so there's no real incentive to work hard for the 3-4.

Vonnie Holliday said he was against the 3-4 when he first went to Miami, but after learning it, he wouldn't want to do anything else.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 23, 2010 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 23, 2010 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Six years, $61.5 million for Dumervil
Posted by Mike Florio on July 23, 2010 12:19 AM ET

The early numbers on the Elvis Dumervil deal have begun to trickle out.

Per a league source with knowledge of the situation, Dumervil's new contract from the Broncos has a base value of $61.5 million over six years.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 23, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I have 3 picks from the 2008 draft joining Durant Brooks as ex Redskins...

Malcom Kelly
Colt Brennan
Rob Jackson

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 23, 2010 12:22 AM
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I think you are right, although I don't know if Rob Jackson the linebacker will be any less anonymous than Rob Jackson the defensive end. I have a feeling he's not good enough to make the roster either way. As for Kelly, I think he's done something to make this staff sour on him. Maybe it's just that he is slow of foot, or maybe it's that he cannot run a route. Either way, unless he does something miraculous to transform his image in the next week, I think he'll be an early training camp dropout. As for Brennan, I just wish we had other options at #2 and #3 quarterback. None of the trio behind McNabb excite me.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Over Bobby Wade and 38 year old Joey Galloway. That is a ringing endorsement!

People on here do not even agree on what type of receivers they are and how they would be best used. I would love to see one NFL analyst who has been quoted as saying that the Redskins were using Thomas all wrong last year.

Zorn was brought in to be an OC and because Snyder fffed it up so bad he became HC and OC. That being said Zorn was a QB and a QB coach for many many years. I am fairly certain he knew how to use his wrs. His schemes and play calling may leave a lot to be desired I am fairly certain that Thomas and Kelly sucked because well they suck. With each passing year of mediocrity it becomes clear that they were never cut out for the NFL. This is it for them. There is no one else on the roster and they are going to get the targets. Make or break. Although rarely do receivers show so little in the first two years and then develop into good players later. You either have it or you don't.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 22, 2010 9:37 PM
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By your logic I should be an ace mechanic because I drive a car every day. Being a good quarterback doesn't make you an expert on wide receivers or make you a good coach. If anything, Zorn proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Zorn did not adapt his offense for anyone. He had this vision of a west coast offense and that's what he stuck to, even if it meant putting a square peg in a round hole. Why do you think they brought the BINGO caller in to run the offense? DT didn't have any success until BINGO starting calling the plays. Same was true with MK. I mean, the classic dumb thing was using MK on GO routes. Why would you send your slowest receiver deep? If I have a big receiver, I send him on 10 yard out patterns all day long, throw the ball high and make sure I've gone over it a zillion times in practice so he can do nothing but come down with the ball.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2010 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Dirty little secret ('cause it seems like many people hate Czaban), but dude is hilarious to me. Find both to be entertaining on the drive home after a day at work.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 22, 2010 9:10 PM


No shame in that Red...I'm a big Czaban fan. Definitely one of the things I miss most about living in that area is being able to hear quality sports talk radio. On a clear, sunny day I can usually muster a signal all the way up here in PA and it makes my day every time.

I haven't heard The Fan yet...I have a friend that works there, but other than that I've heard nothing good about the station. Knowing a lot of the guys over at ESPN 980, it's gonna be hard to even match their level, let alone surpass it. Not good news for 106.7, especially now that their ace Redskin Insider is switching sides.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 5:20 AM | Report abuse

Wow this place is dead...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

"I think if you don't have speed, then you have to be able to run precise routes and to be physical when the ball is in the air.posted by TWISI"

To me, precision cutting is most important on the short and intermediate routes. In most offenses, there are three basic downfield patterns:

"Fly" pattern: straight upfield. Variation is a 'hitch' where the receiver takes a step to the outside at some point before heading back upfield.

'Chair': at 5 yards, take two strides to outside before continuing deep.

'Deep Post': run ten yards upfield, fake, continue at 45 degree angle to outside.

Of those, only the chair patterns rely on a precise cut.

So I think your second trait -- being physical to the ball -- is more important to a downfield receiver.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 7:30 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn did not adapt his offense for anyone. He had this vision of a west coast offense and that's what he stuck to, even if it meant putting a square peg in a round hole. Why do you think they brought the BINGO caller in to run the offense? DT didn't have any success until BINGO starting calling the plays. Same was true with MK. I mean, the classic dumb thing was using MK on GO routes. Why would you send your slowest receiver deep? If I have a big receiver, I send him on 10 yard out patterns all day long, throw the ball high and make sure I've gone over it a zillion times in practice so he can do nothing but come down with the ball.Posted by: RedSkinHead"

I think this is a matter of interpretation. First, Zorn adapted his preferred offense to the point where it barely resembled a WCO. Second, bringing in Sherm Lewis had more to do with Sherm's rep as a super WCO play-caller with exactly the experience that Zorn didn't have. Third, a number of terrific downfield receivers have lacked great speed but had a knack for coming up (or down) with the ball in stride. Fourth, a 10 yard 'deep out' pattern is most useful in a situation where you're trying to convert a long first down, rather than as a deep downfield route. Almost any QB can throw a decent ten yard out pattern. That's not true for the longer stuff.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

For my money, the most difficult deep pattern to complete is the deep post where the goal is to hit the receiver over his shoulder, way downfield, right before he steps out of bounds. As far as a QB, this one often separates the men from the boys. For all this other flaws, Vinny Testaverde was a whiz at this pattern.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

"I think if you don't have speed, then you have to be able to run precise routes and to be physical when the ball is in the air.posted by TWISI"

To me, precision cutting is most important on the short and intermediate routes. In most offenses, there are three basic downfield patterns:

"Fly" pattern: straight upfield. Variation is a 'hitch' where the receiver takes a step to the outside at some point before heading back upfield.

'Chair': at 5 yards, take two strides to outside before continuing deep.

'Deep Post': run ten yards upfield, fake, continue at 45 degree angle to outside.

Of those, only the chair patterns rely on a precise cut.

So I think your second trait -- being physical to the ball -- is more important to a downfield receiver.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 7:30 AM
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Yes, but you have to consider that there's a range of speed that every receiver needs to be in. Running good routes doesn't get it done when your speed falls out of that range. You take someone who is on the ragged edge of being too slow. Then you add in poor route running, not being able to leverage their size to outmuscle defenders for the ball, and not well versed in the offense and I think that is where Kelly is. It's not just one thing, it's everything.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 23, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

One last comment: on a deep out pattern, the receiver is usually drifting to the sideline, not running hard. This is where height and jumping ability can be of most value in completing the pass.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't know how fast Malcolm Kelly is at this point in his career. He's a long strider which makes it more difficult to judge by looking -- those guys always look slower than others. We'd have to see his latest 40 times to get an accurate idea.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 23, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

brown, 980 is where it's at for me. In my car I got 106 on the 2nd tier of radio stations. I just wish they had a local morning show...


Colt fans = Zorn apologist/sympathizers = believing Kelly is a down field threat


Only here you can fine high comedy like that.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan working out with McNabb, receivers

980 posts.....and counting


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2010 8:05 AM | Report abuse

The push for 1000 is in full play... 20 more?

C'maaaaaaaaon!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

samson151

"I don't know how fast Malcolm Kelly is at this point in his career."


Guys like Jerry Ric, Michael Irvin, Art Monk, and John Taylor weren't fast, just crafty.

M Kelly would do well to learn the fine art of "pushing off" the guy covering him--it would be the best use of this size if he lacks elite speed.

Too, Kelly's role in the passing game really should be determined by the types of routes he's called to run.

If he can't excel at running 'hitches,' 'arrow,' 'outs,' 'fades,' 'slants,' 'stop-fade,' and 'dig' routes with his body size and no true speed, then he's a high pick wide receiver who'll be unemployed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2010 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Red, I'll always love 980...used to work there a few years back and a lot of the guys there are first class. Scott Linn is geniunely one of the nicest guys you'll find in the business. And trust me...it's hard to do.

I'm still trying to piece together what makes Colt so appealing...I mean, the guy has ZERO snaps in a real game. I get rooting for the underdog to succeed and all, but this Colt love just pokes logic in the eye...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

g'morning... I see Colt is still working out... "hell week" sounds more and more like SEAL training. does he ever get any sleep?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 23, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

RedDmv

You gotta check out "Teflon Don" the new Rick Ross joint.

It's strictly bangin' down south booty shakin' club beats.

There are about 6 hits on it.

The guest rappers and rb singers doing the collabos are quality as well.

It's definately a keeper.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Don't know why everyone is so down on Colt.

SOMEBODY has to start the second half of the third pre-season game, and who better than Colt?

While everyone else may think it's an absolutely meaningless moment, we must remember that it will be Colt's ONE AND ONLY opportunity to shine this whole year.

So who are we to say that he shouldn't try make the most of it?

Keep working out Colt. And we'll look forward to seeing you out there... scrambling around with the other scrubs and no-hopers... for at least the third quarter of the third pre-season game...

Book it!

Posted by: Vic1 | July 23, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

nice moe, you recommend that to Red, but not to 40 year old, white boy beantownG???

sup with that??

Actually, I got nothing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Here's some stuff previewing camp for us on NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8191cad0/article/big-changes-in-personnel-scheme-top-redskins-concerns

Hilarious that at one point, they start calling Devin Thomas "Devon White"...haha

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Woooow. We couldn't break the 4 figures yestidday?

I've got BlueBlog Ballz... eegh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Michael Lombardi on NFL.com is doing some corny blue chip/red chip evaluation of every NFL team. Here's ours:

WASHINGTON REDSKINS

Blue-chip players: QB Donovan McNabb, DT Albert Haynesworth and HC Mike Shanahan.

Red-chip players: TE Chris Cooley, OLB Brian Orakpo, MLB London Fletcher and DE Andre Carter.

If the Redskins fix their offensive line, they will be a team to contend with down the stretch because they have a blue coach and quarterback.
-----------------------------------

Agree with the last paragraph, but I don't get how you don't include--at a bare minimum--Brian Orakpo as a blue-chip player, if not Cooley and Fletcher. Cooley was hurt so I get not adding him, but Fletcher was easily the MVP of this team last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

By your logic I should be an ace mechanic because I drive a car every day. Being a good quarterback doesn't make you an expert on wide receivers or make you a good coach. If anything, Zorn proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Zorn did not adapt his offense for anyone. He had this vision of a west coast offense and that's what he stuck to, even if it meant putting a square peg in a round hole. Why do you think they brought the BINGO caller in to run the offense? DT didn't have any success until BINGO starting calling the plays. Same was true with MK. I mean, the classic dumb thing was using MK on GO routes. Why would you send your slowest receiver deep? If I have a big receiver, I send him on 10 yard out patterns all day long, throw the ball high and make sure I've gone over it a zillion times in practice so he can do nothing but come down with the ball.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Where did I say that he was a wr expert? I simply said that being a QB and a coach for 34 years I am sure he knows how to use wrs. Your analogy is terrible. If you were a NASCAR driver I am sure you would have an understanding of how everything works and should work so you can give feedback to the mechanic. Much the same way a QB works with the OC. On top of that he has only been a coach for over 15 years which means has not only been a driver but a mechanic.

There are so many receivers that prove your approach of sending your big guy only 10 yards. Irvin, Vincent Jackson, and Austin are all averaging over 15yds per catch and it is not from running 10 yard routes.

Zorn should never have been HC, OC and calling plays. The guy had never been an NFL OC and you have him be HC and OC? Sure the offense could have been better but Thomas and Kelly did nothing to warrant adapting the offense for them as they could not even out perform ARE. Kelly started the season as a starter and was replaced for admittedly running sloppy routes.

You can try to make excuses for them but the fact that ARE had twice as many catches tells me that there performance is on them and not the coaching staff.

If you think you could use those WRs better than Zorn and staff please post your credentials. I would love to know what makes you think you could use them more more effectively.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 23, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Creeping closer to 4 figures on this thread but the conversation is dying. Perhaps my daily Triple post will help.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse


This J Reid guy must had broken all of his fingers. He could at least give us a daily poll to vote on that would start some kind of forum for us posters, jeez. Here's one for the board. iH8dallas is in charge of keeping the percentage of yes and no answers.

Will the Washington Redskins make the NFL playoffs this upcoming season.

God, this is boring!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 23, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse


This J Reid guy must had broken all of his fingers. He could at least give us a daily poll to vote on that would start some kind of forum for us posters, jeez. Here's one for the board. iH8dallas is in charge of keeping the percentage of yes and no answers.

Will the Washington Redskins make the NFL playoffs this upcoming season.

God, this is boring!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 23, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Creeping closer to 4 figures on this thread but the conversation is dying. Perhaps my daily Triple post will help.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Creeping closer to 4 figures on this thread but the conversation is dying. Perhaps my daily Triple post will help.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 23, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"I simply said that being a QB and a coach for 34 years I am sure he knows how to use wrs"

Did you watch the games?? CLEARLY he had no clue, I mean if you can't see that he had nothing, no countermove, then your glasses need updating. There was no rythmn, there was no consistency, DT catch's 7 pass's versus NO, but never that many again the rest of the year, WHY??

We have NO CLUE what these guys can do because they weren't well coached, and because they weren't utilized...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 23, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I got a few of Rick Ross' joints on his album via mixtape... The joint with Styles P 'B.M.F.' rawks!

Like bumpin' the down south beats! Most of 'em come equipped with bass.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

AH is doing push-ups in my driveway. All the flavors too.

Posted by: MajorFacemask | July 23, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

red, you're the winner... what do you plan to do with your 1000 RI bonus points?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 23, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

srobert1117,
Zorn and Campbell are scapegoats. You will be flamed if you try to point out anything positive about them. Nevermind that injuries depleted the O-line, or that some players (ahem, Portis) stopped trying 2 years ago.
So, a Bingo caller was hired and that's supposed to be an indictment of Zorn? I'd say that's an indictment of the people who hired the Bingo caller... and also happen to be the same people who hired Zorn. If Zorn was clueless, what does that make the people who interviewed him and selected him as head coach over Gregg Williams and all the other candidates?

Of course, those same idiots that hired Zorn to groom Campbell are now being lauded as geniuses for placing all the blame on Zorn/Campbell and hiring Shanahan/McNabb. We shall see.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 23, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

red, you're the winner... what do you plan to do with your 1000 RI bonus points?

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 23, 2010 8:54 AM


Hopefully, Red will be a team player and cash in those points for a new thread or two.

Don't go all AH on us, Red! Take one for the team!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

The Zorn vouching going on is trending tragic high gold comedy on an epic scale...


Sure, something is to be said for longevity, but damn Zorn was clueless as they come... I mean, HELL-F'ING-LO: SWING-F'ING-GATE???

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"..you recommend that to Red, but not to 40 year old, white boy beantownG?"


My recommendations are based not on demographics, but from what comes through the tone of a guy's posts.

Red seems like he'd roll with Rick Ross is all.

I made a tight compilation of the new Ross, Wayne, sum Drake, a lil T.I., and Jeezy that me and mrsmoe will be bangin' on our trip to Miami tonite.

I'll think of you just as I cruise over the Rickenbacker Causeway if that makes you feel better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 23, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I have a fantasy football advice site I go to and they have been quite generous with Redskins news nuggets. One of them is that Malcolm Kelly's roster spot is in jeopardy. There have been others.

Why is a fantasy football site scooping Wapo?

Posted by: heyjoe728 | July 23, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

"It’s looking like you can cross Redskins WR Malcolm Kelly off your list of late-round WR options this season. There is speculation that the 3rd-year WR’s roster spot is in jeopardy under new HC Mike Shanahan’s regime. We weren’t really putting much stock into Kelly anyway."

Posted by: heyjoe728 | July 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

moe, 90% of that went over my head, but sure, sounds good.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse


@Alan4

Your post sums it all up quite nicely. The folks that excuse $nyder and blame others for his mistakes are the same ones who seem to think this organization has changed overnight. "We'll see" is the proper response, as we've been down this same road before, but with different folks at the wheel.

Posted by: hessone | July 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Alan, don't overthink it dude...Zorn is an complete and total failure for one reason if nothing else:

He couldn't take advantage of an epic and easy schedule.

I don't care if you line up with high school players...if you get your first 6 opponents winless at the time you played them, it doesn't get any easier than that. It's like playing Madden on rookie difficulty level. If you can't manage even a .500 record with that schedule, you have no business leading a professional football team.

Seriously...take the Giants game out of the equation because we all knew that was a loss going in. You REALLY can't score a TD at home against a one-win team (St. Louis)? You can't beat one of the worst teams in NFL history on the road (Detroit)? Lose at home to KC? You can't hold a double digit lead against Carolina with Jake "Pick Six" Delhomme under center? Hell, even Spurrier could have split those 6 games...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Word? I submitted post 1K?

Ha-ha... ME CHAMPION!!!!

Oh, wow... I don't know where to start *whew*... uh, uh... lets see I want to thank gawd first and foremost, uh my mom and dad for getting it on back in the summer of '83, my manager, producer, confidant, and friend: ME... uh, uh, and all the haters and idiots who made it possible... I can do all things thru the haters and idiots that strengthen me.


Now it's time to go bone and knock up some scantily clad women with low self esteem... YEAH BAY-BAY!!!

Shout outs to MoneyBagsWorth... Bring your 1's big dog!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 23, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"The folks that excuse $nyder"

sigh.....hess, no one up here, has excused Snyder...not one time...has that happened...but we've told you that roughly 1-BILLION times, and it still hasn't sunk in....some folks you just can't reach....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Alan...you're also omitting a key middle man: the GM. There's plenty of blame to go around for the Zorn Shibacle, but the key ingredient (Vinny) is gone. I'd share the pessimism you and hess display if Vinny were overseeing the Shanahan/McNabb experiment. It's Bruce Allen up there now. And even though we could probably do better, we could also do a lot worse.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 23, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

This J Reid guy must had broken all of his fingers. He could at least give us a daily poll to vote on that would start some kind of forum for us posters, jeez. Here's one for the board. iH8dallas is in charge of keeping the percentage of yes and no answers.

Will the Washington Redskins make the NFL playoffs this upcoming season.

God, this is boring!!!

Posted by: hessone | July 23, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I mark myself down for "Yes". Redskins will make the playoffs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 23, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

We have NO CLUE what these guys can do because they weren't well coached, and because they weren't utilized...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind both MK and DT showed up to their first training camp so out of shape that they were not allowed to participate in most of the activities. Right off the bat they disrespected their own jobs and teams. If they had show up in shape and ready to roll it would have helped their whole progression. I will not argue that the coaches were inept but neither MK or DT did anything to help themselves their rookie year. Their own laziness basically voided a full year for them. Davis slept through the first meeting but showed up ready to ball after that.
I doubt Djax showed up to philly camp unable to do the basic prerequisite running component to join the training camp sessions.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 23, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

"Davis slept through the first meeting"


3 years later...you can't make this stuff up....I mean....wtf...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 23, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood

Alan, don't overthink it dude...Zorn is an complete and total failure for one reason if nothing else:

He couldn't take advantage of an epic and easy schedule.

$nyder should had never hired Zorn as his head coach in the first place. That's what Alan's comment stipulates, and that is fact, not "overthinking". Just look how Zorn was hired in the first place. If Zorn's not put in that position, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Thank God that's in the past, but don't make Zorn a scapegoat.

Posted by: hessone | July 23, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'll say that Zoron had potential. That's it. He never realized it. There were plenty of games that he was IN and had a chance to win, but fails of epic proportion kept him from success.

So to try and offer anything positive about him now seems folly.

I'm ready to forget all about him. Aren't you?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 23, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

So, a Bingo caller was hired and that's supposed to be an indictment of Zorn?

Posted by: Alan4 | July 23, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse


No, but the fact that the offense immediately improved when the Bingo Caller took over is an inictment of Zorn.