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One Day Later (Updated)

Morning practice has begun and you'd have to think today is a little quieter, right? Right???

Jason La Canfora reports that the Dolphins have already paid the $500,000 roster bonus that Jason Taylor was owed, leaving the Redskins with a $7.5 million base salary. Vinny Cerrato said twice yesterday that the Redskins had made no alterations to Taylor's contract, but several league sources said they believe the Redskins have in fact reworked the contract to lower his cap figure. That would normally include adding a year to the deal as well. Cerrato made several on-the-record comments Sunday that have been contradicted by others, so we'll see if Taylor's contract does indeed change when he passes his physical and officially becomes a Redskin.

Jason Reid reports that, the day after rolling his ankle, Fred Smoot is back on the practice field. This beats Jim Zorn's estimate ("probably less than a week") by quite a bit.

And now a few observations on the trade:

The Skins put themselves in a bind through years of neglecting the defensive line, throwing away draft picks in poor deals, neglecting the future. And once again they found themselves in a position where they had to scramble and make a move geared obviously for the short-term (a la Pete Kendall a year ago).

But again, you can't hate on the end results of this trade. The Dolphins long put a price tag of a second-round pick on Taylor, and in the end the Skins, despite being crazy desperate for an end, only had to sweeten the pot by a 2010 sixth-rounder. Other teams flirted with Taylor - Jacksonville and Green Bay the most openly - and didn't pull the trigger, figuring the price might come down later, and because of concern that Taylor would play only one season. Well, the Skins couldn't afford to wait for the price to drop - if another team got Taylor they would be in deep trouble - and Vinny Cerrato's close relationship with Taylor's agent could only aid their ability to get inside Taylor's head and determine exactly how long he would play and how motivated he would be to focus on football.

Even if you look at deal in the least human of perspectives - would the Skins have parted with Daniels, Buzbee and the two picks to secure Taylor's services? - I say Cerrato has to make the deal. Given what was left on Washington's roster at the DE position - and how little was out there on the free agent market at that position - they had to do this.

Will be interested to see if Taylor gets his No. 99 back. Andre Carter is wearing it now. Might end up being a financial transaction there, or maybe Taylor just takes another number.

With Taylor on the left and Carter on the right, teams have a decision to make. All of those chips and double-teams that Carter used to see, well, that attention is probably going to Taylor now, especially with Taylor facing right tackles and not left tackles (the left tackle is generally the pass-rush defender on any offensive side). And the happiest guys of all are in the secondary. There was a serious fear back there about the continual lack of a pass-rushing thrust, with the corners stuck in man coverage frequently and put in very difficult situations. That should ease some now.

The Redskins now have two older guys who have been freakishly healthy for virtually their entire careers. Taylor, 33, has started every game this decade (since 2000), 128 straight, and has missed four games since entering the NFL in 1997. Starting middle linebacker London Fletcher, 33, has played 160 straight games since entering the NFL in 1998. That's remarkable and if they manage to keep both streaks going, this defense should be in good hands.

Bottom line: Taylor had 11 sacks last season; the Redskins have not had a defensive lineman post that many sacks in a season since 2000.

By Jason La Canfora  |  July 21, 2008; 8:22 AM ET
 
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Comments

Bleh...

Posted by: Epstein'sMother'sDoctor | July 21, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone else upset that none of the Redskins rookie WRs know who The Posse is?

Posted by: Fushezzi | July 21, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Jasno bringin' it. Gotta agree with just about everything he said, although I don't suscribe to the same 'tone' as paragraph I.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Huge - Just Huge!

And he'll be lining up against Zach Thomas twice a year at least. It's gonna be a wild one in the NFC East this season!

Posted by: The AMAZING Dik Shuttle of the Fabulous ShuttleLOUNGE | July 21, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The Posse were awesome but the new guys prolly never saw them in action.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

No injuries today and I will be happy.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember if the 'Skins got any picks in next year's draft resulting from the trade-downs in this year's? Was that second-rounder maybe an extra one?

Posted by: KillDozer | July 21, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh, too bad they didn't draft any D lineman! It's much better to have 10 receivers. Snyder and Cerrato have ruined this team for now and the forseeable future. I'm sure there will be more stop gap measures along the way as this team has zero depth at any position except maybe wide receiver and running back. Plus, they are not exactly young either at a lot of key positions so injuries are to be expected. Same old Snyder Skins!

Posted by: Rob P | July 21, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"Bottom line: Taylor had 11 sacks last season; the Redskins have not had a defensive lineman post that many sacks in a season since 2000."

Except for LaVar's 11 sacks in 2002. Other than that it's been since 2000.

It's OK, JLC. Everyone is shaking off the rust at this time of year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 21, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Real big news Im not sure what to think of it though it sounds like we got him for about 2 years, we had to give a 2nd which hurts. I think this gives us more of a line like the giants had last year.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Lavar wasn't a defensive lineman.

Posted by: Prodigal Son | July 21, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone else upset that none of the Redskins rookie WRs know who The Posse is?

Posted by: Fushezzi | July 21, 2008 8:27 AM

No, because that was 20 years ago. These receivers are only a couple years older than that. Besides, think of it from an outsider's standpoint--none of these guys are from this area and outside of Washington, only historians of the game know about "The Posse". Of all the nicknames given to Redskin units/teams, they're probably the least recognized.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 21, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

why does JLC have to point out the health of Taylor and Fletcher. Is he trying to wish more injuries on us?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse


Smoot is a tough SOB. Gave him props years back when he played with the bruised sternum and other stuff.

Props to Southside Smoot.

Posted by: the_squire | July 21, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Im concerned about the lack of reporting on great plays made by the new WR's...did they not make any or what? I've heard of one good catch Thomas made that Zorn said was probably only due to pass interference anyway...

Posted by: JD | July 21, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Lavar wasn't a defensive lineman.
Posted by: Prodigal Son | July 21, 2008 8:49 AM

It's probably appropriate to say that "while it was unclear exactly what position Lavar thought he was playing, it is clear that defensive lineman was not among them".

Posted by: cload & daggar | July 21, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Keep up the good work JLC. I think both you and Mike Wise are on point here (though as a fan I can't help but be excited about Jason Taylor). If people want unabashed Redskins cheerleading they can listen to Larry Michael on Redskins.com.

Posted by: Ehren | July 21, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Who cares if the new redskins receivers don't know who the posse were. Weren't they about 2 years old then? Can't expect them to know the complete history of the redskins. Do you think there is a history lessen at Redskins Park in addition to learning the play book? Let these guys create their own legacy and not live in the past. I'd rather they know the play book and play well than know the history of the posse.

Posted by: REM | July 21, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else hate Larry Michael as a Redskins announcer? I want Herzog back!

Posted by: JD | July 21, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

From Peter King

I have to hand it to Snyder and Cerrato. This was a very good trade for them. I've been hard on them, and rightfully so, for some of the dumb trades and free-agent signings (do we have to relive them?) of the past six or seven years. But this offseason was a smart time for Washington, because it was a time to get its financial house in order, not a time to go crazy over some barely above-average wide receiver.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Cload.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

From B-More Sun. JLC always complain about Coach Joe but look what was going on with his team.

Brian Billick's camp - aka "Club Billick" - was light on hitting and allowed players more freedom than anywhere else in the NFL

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Michael turns my stomach. What a stupid move
kicking out Frank.

JT has stated before that 2008 was his last year. Now he says he will play out his 2-yr. contract. Considering all of his Hollywood nonsense, I tend to believe him.

We traded a 2nd round pick for a fella with most likely two years left in his career.

Ultimately, this will go down as a bad deal.

Posted by: GAD | July 21, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

A 2nd rounder for a guy who has a HUGE contract and will never, ever see the 2011 season. They had a chance to draft a decent passrusher who would have made much less $$$ and more than possibly been around for 4-5 years.

Just what NFL team has won consistently (over a period of years) by utilizing the methodology of Cerrato/Snyder?

Snyder is the Peter Angelos of the NFL. Redskins fans will constinue to embrace hope every off-season and get slapped in the face with reality as the season develops.


I've been a huge fan since 1968 and I like to think I can spot an organization that is worthy of respect. Since we lost the beloved Cooke family, the Redskins have never approached their former greatness.

The Redskins, as an organization, simply are not one of the top performers in their industry. Let us hope the players and coaches can achieve greatness despite their owner's/management's shortcomings.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Earp,

Taulor's salary is not huge (relative..) and we pick up none of the dead money things like bonuses.

People hating on this trade are negative Nancies to the Nth degree

When have we had a DE tandem like this. Mann/Manley?

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Let's not pretend Cook had a thing to do with the team winning. There were many years he didn't win. The only time the team has won anything was with 2 of the best coaches the NFL has seen. P.S have you seen Mr. Cook's beloved daughter? the one the sues his estate ruitnely? Great mug shot, a must see. People love to give credit where it's not due just to rob it from others.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Once again a bad front office finds us staring down the barrel of a gun needing to pull the trigger on a trade.

We gave up next years 2nd rounder yet at any given time this year on 80% of plays two of our 2nd rounders will be sitting the bench...

Hate you Danny, I really really hate you. I hope all your company's continue to go down the tubes and you have to sell.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I've never agree with CL more. 8 mil is nothing for a defensive player of the year calibur end. Please there are ends with half his ability level makine 4 mil a year more.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Dear skinz, you are a tool.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Jasno has gotten some salary info; the top is updated.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the same people that are complaining now will be doing the same when Taylor has 11 sacks again.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Another way to look at it... the entirely theoretical D end we might have picked up in this year's draft would have been in the rotation behind Carter and Daniels, developing skills and getting more time as he progressed.

The presence of such a draftee, even if he had set the world on fire in minicamps, would not necessarily have precluded this J-Tay trade under these injury circumstances.

(So there. Easy to rationalize a big move like this in the face of a major injury.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Redskins fans are the only fans in the world that you could offer them the best tight end in the draft and not one but the two best tall recievers (which you have been crying for for YEARS) for 3 2nd round picks could find a way to hate the owner for this. Dan Snyder could go to each and every fans door and hand them a million dollars and this blog could still find fault in it. Amazing.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Cyn love the text updates

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

From Peter King

I have to hand it to Snyder and Cerrato. This was a very good trade for them. I've been hard on them, and rightfully so, for some of the dumb trades and free-agent signings (do we have to relive them?) of the past six or seven years. But this offseason was a smart time for Washington, because it was a time to get its financial house in order, not a time to go crazy over some barely above-average wide receiver.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:10 AM

Peter King is an idiot. What he doesn't realize is that we didn't get our financial house in order. We just paid a bunch of our own players like FA's. As I said before, signing bonuses are signing bonuses and contracts are contracts. It doesn't matter if it's your own players or FAs.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Can Smoot sit out one day? Like who cares? Take a seat sude, its july let the rooks bash it out...jeesh

Cindy can we get some info on this CB Tyron (is that right?)I hear he is tearing it up...

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Dear skinz, you are a tool.

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 9:28 AM

At least I sign my name you chooch. Hide behind anon. Scared of what people will think of you on the internet, you make me sad for you.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys we are going to trade for a hall of fame player, we only have to give up a 2nd and 6th round pick for him. He is still in great shape and more agile than ever. He is the most proven commodity in the NFL over the past decade.

BOOOOO HISSSSS we hate you! How could you do this to us! we could have drafted the best player of all time with that second! BOOOOOO I hope you die Snyder!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say Skinz, I think your being a touch reactionary on this.....

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

You are very correct Skinz, writing down teh name "skinz" surley puts accounatbility to you. Is that your given name?

From now on I'll include my name. Just for you.

Posted by: Ronald Blutarsky | July 21, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

We just paid a bunch of our own players like FA's.

Wow Skinz. Does nothing make you happy? You complain when we don't sign our own players and let them go and now you complaining because we did.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

http://theredskinsblog.com/

The new Redskins Blog...

Interesting that the Redskins Insider isn't one of the Faves on the left hand side.

Posted by: BingBong | July 21, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Skinz your football IQ is zero point zero.

Posted by: Ronald Blutarsky | July 21, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys we are going to trade for a hall of fame player, we only have to give up a 2nd and 6th round pick for him. He is still in great shape and more agile than ever. He is the most proven commodity in the NFL over the past decade.

BOOOOO HISSSSS we hate you! How could you do this to us! we could have drafted the best player of all time with that second! BOOOOOO I hope you die Snyder!

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 9:34 AM

Maybe not all anons are bad. This guy has it spot on!!!

Lol, the trade wasn't as bad as some others. I hate that this team finds itself over the barrel almost every season rather than being smart. Instead of being proactive we are constantly reactive and scrambling. Just think had Jason Taylor not been there. It's always the same with Danny.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

"And you mR. Blutarsky? 0.0"

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

And, I forget, when is Desiderius Erasmus anticipated to be ready to take the field?

In the land of the season-ending injury, a one-legged defensive end could be king... or at least a big help in the rotation.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I don't agree with much that Peter King writes, but I do think the Redskins were fiscally prudent this offseason.

Posted by: CBT | July 21, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"And you mR. Blutarsky? 0.0"

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:40 AM

I do not find that funny.

Posted by: Eric the Midget | July 21, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

You are very correct Skinz, writing down teh name "skinz" surley puts accounatbility to you. Is that your given name?

From now on I'll include my name. Just for you.

Posted by: Ronald Blutarsky | July 21, 2008 9:37 AM

Thanks, welcome to the community.

Skinz your football IQ is zero point zero.

Posted by: Ronald Blutarsky | July 21, 2008 9:39 AM

Thanks, I look forward to you spreading the knowledge so that I can rise up from the ignorance.


We just paid a bunch of our own players like FA's.

Wow Skinz. Does nothing make you happy? You complain when we don't sign our own players and let them go and now you complaining because we did.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 9:37 AM

It's true and a good point JM. Except it wasn't people who had there contracts expire we just gave people more money to further push back our Salary Cap. The one thing this owner seems to be very good at.

Gotta say Skinz, I think your being a touch reactionary on this.....

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:36 AM


Fair enough, I was actually just ranting in the first post. I may have been a bit dramatic but I was also somewhat tongue and cheek.


Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Taylor had 11 sacks last season; the Redskins have not had a defensive lineman post that many sacks in a season since 2000.

By Jason La Canfora | July 21, 2008; 8:22 AM ET | Category: Jason La Canfora

Jason, your analysis is absolutely right--if the Redskins were playing in a pass-only league. You talk about chips and double teams, and yes, they occured against Carter on passing downs.

The question remains, what passing downs? With two pass rush lightweight DE's, teams will run off tackle all day on the redskins, and won't require double teams to do it.

Remember last year when the Redksins played Minnesota. In one of the smart and daring moves Gregg Williams occasionally made, he made a key defensive adjustment to stop the Viking running game.

The Vikes are lefthanded, with Hutchinson and McKinnon (sp?) on the left side, the latter 350 pounds. Williams figured he'd crush Carter, outweighing him by 100 pounds, so he switched Andre and Phillip Daniels.

Daniels, at 290 stopped the run, and Minn was unable to adjust and run right against Carter.

Now the skins have two 250 pound DEs expected to last the entire NFC East season and stand up against the running game.

The Giants starting running back outweighs them. Marion Barber running off tackle? I shudder. And Westbrook, who has a field day anyway, will have even more so.

The smarter move would have been to stick with the new philosophy of building through the draft. Sure teh skins would have a tough year--they will anyway as they learn a new offense and under a rookie coach. But they would have had a naerly full slate of picks next year, to continue rebuilding.

Now, all they are doing is going back to the Bad Old Days.


Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Happy Birthday Captain Caveman!

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

LaVar was not officially a DL, but in the year where Marven Lewis was our DC, he did play in a down stance on third downs often. Essentially turning him into a DE in a 5-2 formation. What year was that anyway?

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Man, what a start to camp......I mentioned on Friday that I open the sports section with one eye closed during training camp. This is what I mean. Too bad for Daniels, that's a tough loss, but I guess overall Taylor is an upgrade IF his heart is still in it. Let's hope he just needed a change of scenery and is still an impact end. I think it's a good move only out of need. I would be critical if this had happened without the injuries, but it looks like we may get lemonade out of lemons. Let's just pray that there are no more injuries.....Taylor on one end and Carter on the other does sound pretty nice. Maybe this could free up some lanes that will make Marcus Washington the blitzer he was in 04 and 05, and I can envision dirty 30 flying through to knock some teeth out as well. Hail!

Posted by: dlhaze | July 21, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

From Peter King

++++I have to hand it to Snyder and Cerrato. This was a very good trade for them. I've been hard on them, and rightfully so, for some of the dumb trades and free-agent signings (do we have to relive them?) of the past six or seven years. But this offseason was a smart time for Washington, because it was a time to get its financial house in order, not a time to go crazy over some barely above-average wide receiver.++++

Words of Genius from the guy who kept Art Monk out of the Hall of fame as long as he could

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand some people. For the past three months all I have heard is that we should have drafted a DE before the 7th round. Now we acquire JT, who is a proven player and will ultimately help make the secondary and guys like Carter more productive, and people are still not happy.

Posted by: Matt | July 21, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

++++Snyder is the Peter Angelos of the NFL. Redskins fans will constinue to embrace hope every off-season and get slapped in the face with reality as the season develops.++++--Wyatt Earp

Us Left Coasters think of him more as the Donald Sterling of the NFL.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

how will he line up against Zach Thomas?

Posted by: cisco | July 21, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

People hating on this trade are negative Nancies to the Nth degree


Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 9:22 AM

Is that the best you got, CL? A weak-A$$ Phil Gramm impression? well you Koolaid Sippers are Pukish Pollyannas Perversely Prestidigitating to a Psychotic P.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

This was a great trade: imagine, they got Jason Taylor in the second round! After losing 2 guys at the position. I bet Cerrato tried to keep a lid on the injuries until he could talk to the Fins about a trade, and I HOPE that the media helped out here. If The Tuna knew that Washington had lost 2 DE's I think the price would have gone up a LOT.

Taylor's a great fit, he seems to be a quality guy, and he's going to one of the marquee franchises in the league. For a guy who makes movies! Dude, he will be seriously trying to make The Danny happy.


By the way, I think having a lot of WR's is a good thing, especially considering special teams. Having 6 guys that can fly on kick coverages is going to be a very good thing -- as long as they don't overrun the punts!

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 21, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

The Truth has a couple questions :

1) The Truth would like a list of our draft picks next season after the loss of our second round pick.


2) Did The Truth miss something? Why did The Truth see people saying we need to draft a TE next year? The Truth isn't sure if something happened to Fred Davis or what???

3) The Truth doesn't see how anyone can not LOVE the position the Skins are in right now! The Truth is very excited!


The Truth has been gone about 5 days and loves what he came back to see, minus the injuries of course! The Truth says HTTR!!

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand some people. For the past three months all I have heard is that we should have drafted a DE before the 7th round. Now we acquire JT, who is a proven player and will ultimately help make the secondary and guys like Carter more productive, and people are still not happy.

Posted by: Matt | July 21, 2008 9:55 AM

Two Words: Bruce Smith

Posted by: Da Truef | July 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Taylor and Carter on either end, at least on paper, looks pretty menacing. The Skins haven't had two real pass-rushing threats on both ends of the line since Manley and Mann, or maybe the 91-92 season if you count Mann-Fred Stokes (I do at least). Even if we had used one of this years 2nd round picks for one of the ends available, we still would have had to make this deal with PD and Buzbee going out. Giving up next years 2nd rounder, which I'm guessing would have been either a WR or TE, seems reasonable under the circumstances. I think Evans, and to a lesser extent Wilson, will need to be important contributors as well. And anything that E.James and our 7th rounder can produce, especially in spelling the starters, will be that much more beneficial.

Posted by: Niemann | July 21, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

++++Redskins fans are the only fans in the world that you could offer them the best tight end in the draft and not one but the two best tall recievers (which you have been crying for for YEARS) for 3 2nd round picks could find a way to hate the owner for this. Dan Snyder could go to each and every fans door and hand them a million dollars and this blog could still find fault in it. Amazing.

Posted by: | July 21, 2008 9:31 AM++++

Vinny, I know you been distracted lately, but you forgot to sign your post again.

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Srry - poor word choice. He'll line up no the opposite team from Zach.

You know Jason is married to Zach's sister, right?

btw - RedCoat - I feel ya, m'man, but this really is a win/win, isnt' it..

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

When are we gonna pick up Lavar for league minny? We'll even throw in a motorcycle helmet.

Posted by: Ben | July 21, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:49 AM

If Carter was such an awful run-stopping DE, you'd think teams would've taken advantage of that and run towards his side last year. The way you make it sound, our success against the run came because Phillip Daniels was there, which essentially means that (A) teams solely decided to attack his side, allowing him to stop it - or (B) we successfully guessed where the opposing team was going to run, and moved Phillip Daniels to that side every time. That simply didn't happen. Carter was fine against the run, and aside from the Minn game, he needed no adjustments for weaknesses in his game. I'll take the occasional play where our DEs get overpowered if it means that we don't give Romo, McNabb, and Eli 10 seconds per pass play to find the open man.

Posted by: psps23 | July 21, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

someone already beat me to the Bruce Smith comment...

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

LaVar: could not beat a tackle to save his life. Blockers stuck to the guy like stink on poop.

In the open field, he was death: knocked Troy Aikman right out of the league. But if he had to go around or through a lineman, could not do it. Unlike LT, he was not a tackle's nightmare, he was a coaches nightmare: both the O.C. who had to make sure he got blocked, and the D.C. who was wondering what the heck LaVar would actually do.

I have to say the guy was a disappointment for me.

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 21, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I think JT will be ok against the run. He played in a 3-4 in miami didn't he? In the 3-4 is the DE's run stopping reponsibility diminished?

I don't know you have Fletcher Baker and Washington on that side mostly I'd think as they'll put the TE on his side so it should be ok.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Taylor, though undersized, is actually a very solid run stuffer. He's athletic and super quick. He didn't have a problem shedding tackles and stopping the run in Miami, he'll do just fine in that capacity here. Carter also improved against the run last year too. Defense isn't going to be the issue this season, we're going to have to win a lot of games 13-10...

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Can people let the guy's play before assuming that he won't stop the run or stay healthy? Yes the NFC E playes a different type of ball than the AFC E, but LFB came from the AFC-E and he is doing ok.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this is a good move and don't understand anyone who thinks it is. Maybe if this team was on the verge of contending this would make sense.

Giving up a second rounder who will command much less money and would be starting by at most the second year for years to come for a guy (and yes, he's a pro-bowler and an impact guy) who won't be around in two years doesn't make sense. The only thing this is going to do is take away one more draft pick the Skins need for maybe a couple more wins in the next two years and probably an early exit from the playoffs (if we even make it).

I'm not trying to be Debby Downer here but does anyone really think we will be contending for a super bowl in the next two years? Honestly? If the answer is no, then this is not a good trade.

Posted by: Moose | July 21, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

++++Even if we had used one of this years 2nd round picks for one of the ends available, we still would have had to make this deal with PD and Buzbee going out.++++NEIMANN

HOW SO?? Demetric Evans starts, calai cambpell and Chris Wlson would work into the rotation. Buzbee was a long shot to make the team

++++Giving up next years 2nd rounder, which I'm guessing would have been either a WR or TE .++++


FUNNY Thanks for bringing some humorous perspective. It's beena traumatic few days for coaches, players and long-suffering fans.


Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

The Truth was a fan of LaVar, even though he acknowledges the headaches he caused for his coaches. The Truth thought LaVar was a beast!

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Two Words: Bruce Smith"

Two More Words: Andre Carter. Not all FA acquistions and trades are busts.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but I disagree with the assesment.....

A future second rounder has less value than a present second rounder.

So if we had, before the draft, gave the Dolphins 2009 2nd rounder, that futre pick would have equaled a 2008 3rd rounder. A 2010 6th Rounder would have equaled a 2008 8th rounder. What is the issue?

We had cap room a we fixed a issue that came to light on the lst day. It wouldn't have made any difference if we had got him earlier.

And. Pete Kendall deal was a good deal for us, so why use it as an example of something bad? He only (ONLY) gets paid like 2-3 Mil a year and he was very dependable as a starter..........

Posted by: 4th | July 21, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The Truth also notes that The Redskins might not have drafted the "two best tall WR's" in the draft. The Truth thinks the best WR in last year's draft is the guy from Indiana. The Truth can't remember his name.

The Truth gives the FO an A for this year's offseason. The Truth has been pleasently surprised!


The Truth changes his mind. The Truth gives an A- as he remembers The Redskins drafted Colt Brennan. The Truth frowns!

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Give up the "we could have drafted a DE." There was no player available who would be as productive as Taylor can be this year. It would have taken 3-4 years to develop anybody. If Taylor plays well for a year or two and James get healthy, we will be good for the next several years at DE.

Posted by: BT | July 21, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Ideally we would of had a young guy, who we had already been grooming to take Daniels' place because we plan ahead, to step in for Phillip instead of having to trade for a vet. Oh well.

Posted by: Gfunk | July 21, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I personally think Limas Sweed will be the best WR in this draft. Silver lining for the Truth. JT is the highest rated DE in Madden 09.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

deally we would of had a young guy, who we had already been grooming to take Daniels' place because we plan ahead, to step in for Phillip instead of having to trade for a vet. Oh well.

Posted by: Gfunk | July 21, 2008 10:12 AM

BOO this is a proposterous notion. Go be a Pats fan. That's not how we do it in Washington.

Posted by: Da Truef | July 21, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Skinz - hopefully he is not on the cover...

Posted by: BT | July 21, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I love this talk about Carter/Taylor not being able to stop the run. First of all, these guys are not rookies, nor are they pass-rushing specialists. They are every down players regardless of their weight. They will be fine against the run. Secondly, if you don't like Taylor, who did you prefer the Skins play at end to stop the run? Evans? Wilson? Jackson?

Posted by: Matt | July 21, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Wow! Great bloggery since yesterday morning! Lots of newbies posting ... and mixing it up with cL AND fighting fair (sticking to the merits of arguments ... avoiding discussion of livestock). Way to go WaPo! Long live RI!

On the news, I didn't read about it till this morning ... and it felt like the new Sears Christmas catalog arrived! Re: Taylor, how can you not love going from workhorse Phillip Daniels to stat hound Jason Taylor? I feel bad for Phil D, but the way he was talking last season when they added Randall Godfrey, I'd been thinking Mr. Daniels was going to hang up his cleats after this season regardless. To actually do that swap out now??? With someone the SAME age and LESS injured?? Are you kidding me??? I'm am officially OFF the Vinny bashwagon (at least the one created by the Pierce/Clark/Archuleta/Lloyd-a-bingus moves). Kendall plus this makes me giddy.

This is going to be a HUGE season for Cornelius now. [Knock wood ... I started reading the paragraph that mentioned Fletcher and immediately stopped reading for jinx avoidance purposes.] If not Cornelius on the right, the Montgomery on the left. The Skins play a FOUR man front! Do you recognize how huge this is!?!?! The Skins suddenly become like the Vikings or the Seahawks up front!

Bottom line: Do a little dance. Make a little love. Get down tonight.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Is The Truth the only one that thinks the line will be dominate this year? The Truth's mouth is watering! The Truth thought that Erasmus James was going to be very productive this year before the JT trade, and now The Truth thinks he will be a big impact player off the bench when he returns!


The Truth thinks the JT sign could be THE move of the offseason in the NFL!

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Now I think they should put Erasmus James on the PUP list for as long as they can. Better to test him healthy than "almost" healty.

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

++++we successfully guessed where the opposing team was going to run, and moved Phillip Daniels to that side every time. That simply didn't happen. Carter was fine against the run, and aside from the Minn game, he needed no adjustments for weaknesses in his game. I'll take the occasional play where our DEs get overpowered if it means that we don't give Romo, McNabb, and Eli 10 seconds per pass play to find the open man.++++

Most NFL Teams are right handed, which is why the beefier DE usually plays the left side. Cartre has never been "fine against the run", but he's improved. On the right side f a defense, most teams have a wide DE rusher, and adjust to that. But both sides?

What concerns me about the Taylor deal, is not any one thing.

People mentioend LaVar. Remember when that 250 pounder was forced to play LDE on passing downs? Remember how he got beat up ad made miserable? He had 11 sacks, but it was a failed experiment, and he JUST was LDE on passing downs.

This is the NFC East, not AFC South. Teams will pound on Taylor and Carter all day. Springs and Smoot will have to move up in support, risking the deep ball, and injuries.

The OLINE is old. Much of the DL is old. The CBs are old. The LBs are old. Old guys, as the Redskins have demonstrated amply, dont' fare well these days in the NFL. These injuries aren't just coincidences.

Hell, even if Taylor has 15 sacks next year, it's no guarantee he'll be back the following year, or the one after that. He's a short term plug in, typical of what Snyderatto have been doing all during their unfortunate reign.

I thought the Leopard was changing spots. My bad.

And what if us Negative nancies are wrong? A good year or two. Why gee, if it worked for Taylor, what OTHER aging vets can we bring in?

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Any word on how Rocky is doing in his recovery???

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I don't think this is a good move and don't understand anyone who thinks it is. Maybe if this team was on the verge of contending this would make sense.

Giving up a second rounder who will command much less money and would be starting by at most the second year for years to come for a guy (and yes, he's a pro-bowler and an impact guy) who won't be around in two years doesn't make sense. The only thing this is going to do is take away one more draft pick the Skins need for maybe a couple more wins in the next two years and probably an early exit from the playoffs (if we even make it).

I'm not trying to be Debby Downer here but does anyone really think we will be contending for a super bowl in the next two years? Honestly? If the answer is no, then this is not a good trade.

Posted by: Moose | July 21, 2008 10:08 AM

Your logic is not sound. To say that a fututre 2nd round pick would be a starter by year 2 is a stretch. It could happen, but that doesn't mean that it will. After the way the Redskins went about this past draft, who's to say we won't do the same thing again?

BTW, thanks to those of you for your congrats on my marriage this past weekend. I won't be around for the next week and a half. Getting ready to catch a flight but couldnt resist the post. I can't find too much fault on the Jason Taylor trade...yet. I think even if he plays at his worst level (8 sacks in a year) we're still doing pretty good. I hear all that dancing training does some pretty good things for physical conditioning. Maybe he can incorporate a few new pass rushing moves this year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

What would've happened if we didn't make this move??? Everyone in the NFL would've screamed we missed the boat by not acquiring Taylor! I don't defend Snyder/Cerrato, but we had no other "outs" here. It was reactionary, but neccessary.

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 21, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Cyn City,

Can we get some specifics on Rocky, the 2 rookie WRs, Colt Brennan and how many 2 TE sets are happenin in the 7 on 7 drills?

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Ideally we would of had a young guy, who we had already been grooming to take Daniels' place because we plan ahead, to step in for Phillip instead of having to trade for a vet. Oh well.

Posted by: Gfunk | July 21, 2008 10:12 AM

Oh, by the way. This years draft wasn't the last one ever. And we have at least 1 DE that's young to groom.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

JD, I'm right there with you; Herzog is, was and will ever be the voice of the 'Skins. Michaels is irritating, and lacks the humor, warmth and sincerity of Frank Herzog. Snyder is a real weasle for not retaining him, (but then, I guess Frank wouldn't 'kiss his ring').

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

JayLa is doign a WaPo chat today. Support our Beat Reporter.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who says they don't like Taylor, don't like Football.

The man is a gamer. He's a perennial all-star. He's likely a future hall-of-famer. He hasn't lost a step. He has NO off-field problems. Does amazing charity.

Hard to see a down side here. Plus I haven't heard a peep about "I, Quarterback". Lov it.

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

keep ranting Corky, your on a roll. I feel, and hope your wrong. But you have some prescedent on your side.

Byt a quick FYI, Dolphins are in the AFC east, which if memory served had a pretty decent team in he division these last 5-7 years......

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

when did herzog get fired?

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 21, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well said Cork. I agree with alot of what you said in that post especially the last bit. I think taylor is much better against the run than Carter though.

Having said that. The deal is done and I'm moving on. The flip side of them running at us and forcing our CB's to come up is relentless pressure on the passing game allows us to bring dirty 30 up closer to the line of scrimmage to stuff the run.

Glass half full? It's new for me to :)

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Glass half full? It's new for me to :)

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:34 AM

Picking myself up off the floor. A positive post from Skinz. lol Skinz that is how I am looking at it until they start playing real games.

Posted by: jm220 | July 21, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The Truth wants to know what people would think if The Redskins drafted a stud DE with their first pick in next year's draft?


And The Truth thinks it is VERY possible for The Redskins to make a deep playoff run either this year or (especially) next, barring injuries.

If the only thing people are mad about is that The Redskins used a 2nd round pick to get Taylor, The Truth has to scoff and call them negative fans! The Truth thinks a 2nd round pick is not guaranteed to be productive for 2 years, much less at a level that Jason Taylor will be!

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

"At least I sign my name you chooch. Hide behind anon. Scared of what people will think of you on the internet, you make me sad for you.

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 9:33 AM"
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Really? Your momma named you Skinz? You're just as anon as anyone else. What's the difference between some made up name like the one you chose or posting as an anon?

There isn't. And... You're retarded.


Posted by: Crow | July 21, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Let's look at it this way. Westrbook is not a between the tackles runner. Taylor has the speed and quickness to force him further outside where Washington or Landry can contain him. Jacobs runs between the tackles anyway, so that's the DT's problem. Barber is a beast and nobody's stopped him yet, so Taylor can't be any worse than what we've got. The positive's surely outweight the negatives in his signing. Who else would you rather of acquired? Calais Campbell WILL be a bust. Merling is unproven, but may be productive in a year or two. Taylor, if healthy, will give us 10+ sacks and be a great addition to the team and community. Haters will hate no matter what this team does.

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 21, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's a Fins fan on the whole Jason Taylor thing:

$. Jason Taylor would have been playing in Miami this season if this trade had not happend. NO WAY Parcells cuts his. NO WAY.
H. As has been said, the guy is a HOF shoo-in who just hasn't finished playing yet. After a slow start last season (no playing in pre-season did hurt as it turned out) he had the same season he always has - a great one.
7. JT as 'locker room cancer'? That's the single most stupid thing I've ever heard up here. The guy is a player's player, they all love him, and he's a big leader both on and off the field.
&. Play more than 1 year? If he doesn't get injured, I would say count on it. He still loves to play, he was just 'done' in Miami is all, but even then he would have played - and played well - for us, if that had been how it worked out.
#. Can't stop the run? His Defensive MVP season came in a hybrid 4-3/3-4 defense where he had to stop the run as well as pass. The guy's been a star in the NFL for 11 years, you think that happens if he can't stop the run??? Ridiculous.

Our huge loss is your gain. This wasn't only about Parcells/Taylor's egos, it was about the guy wanting to play some post-season before he hangs 'em up. I wish him well, and maybe even the Super Bowl ring his career deserves.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Good point on Westbrook Rich. He is more of that AFC speed type RB, a JT helps against that. By my estimates we face 2-3 greate RB's this year and then a hord of good-average run teams. Those 2-3 are Stl. SF and Phil. All great runing games. But Stl and SF struggle at everything else.

Posted by: Alex35332 | July 21, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Also dont forget Ahmad Bradshaw in NY, another change of pace dude.......

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Tru Dat, RC.

I would bet Parcells was looking at Thomas and Taylor as the ONLY tools he had to build value on his team.

These guys would be wasting their time (much like an older Marino) in Miamuh. The only way they could be productive is on teams closer to the post season. And the only good they could do Miami is in investments for the future.

Truly a win/win, yes RC?

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Most NFL Teams are right handed, which is why the beefier DE usually plays the left side. Cartre has never been "fine against the run", but he's improved. On the right side f a defense, most teams have a wide DE rusher, and adjust to that. But both sides?

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 10:23 AM"

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Most teams don't have two stud pass rushers at both end positions, and line their one stud up to the blind side because of it. When you have two studs, like say... the Giants had with Strahan and Osi, and what the Redskins now have with Carter and Taylor... it makes the pass rush extremely potent. But it also puts more pressure on the DTs and LBs to support and fill the gaps when the ends take chances.

For a short time, this may be the best end combo the Skins have had since Manley and Mann.

Posted by: Crow | July 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

if you think we have no shot of winning this year or ever again, do yourselves and everybody else a favor. don't watch anymore games, stop reading about the redskins and analyzing their moves. its one thing to be objective and quite another to repeat the same old crying. hope other aspects of your life are not looked at in such a negative fashion or you may as well off yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins now have two older guys who have been freakishly healthy for virtually their entire careers. Taylor, 33, has started every game this decade (since 2000), 128 straight, and has missed four games since entering the NFL in 1997. Starting middle linebacker London Fletcher, 33, has played 160 straight games since entering the NFL in 1998."

Please jinx the Skins more. This is on YOUR head, JLC. ;^)

Posted by: WorstSeat | July 21, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"Most NFL Teams are right handed, which is why the beefier DE usually plays the left side. Cartre has never been "fine against the run", but he's improved. On the right side f a defense, most teams have a wide DE rusher, and adjust to that. But both sides?

Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 10:23 AM"

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Most teams don't have two stud pass rushers at both end positions, and line their one stud up to the blind side because of it. When you have two studs, like say... the Giants had with Strahan and Osi, and what the Redskins now have with Carter and Taylor... it makes the pass rush extremely potent. But it also puts more pressure on the DTs and LBs to support and fill the gaps when the ends take chances.

For a short time, this may be the best end combo the Skins have had since Manley and Mann.

Posted by: Crow | July 21, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

There isn't. And... You're retarded.


Posted by: Crow | July 21, 2008 10:39 AM

Thanks Crow, I prefer "Slow" or "Special" though. Hope you have a great day.


Somewhat interesting article on the trade.

There isn't. And... You're retarded.


Posted by: Crow | July 21, 2008 10:39 AM

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

oops wrong cut and paste there I go being "Special" again.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=436593

Posted by: Skinz | July 21, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It's a win-win Dik, but it's still hard to take for a Fins fan.

Losing Zach and JT this last year has been like losing Marino all over again for me. JT is a player I've always strongly identified with; Marino is the only one that means more. He's a great player, and possibly an even greater guy - he got another NFL award last year for his work off the field.

Those two (and Keith Traylor) were the last real connections to the Marino years, and they were also the cornerstones of a 10-year run of a top 10 defense that was supposed to propel us to a perpetual playoff berth.

If only we hadn't stunk the place up on offense for virtually all of that time, that is.

This is a great day for the Skins. If you aren't in serious contention this year, it won't be because you acquired JT.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Please jinx the Skins more. This is on YOUR head, JLC. ;^)

Posted by: WorstSeat | July 21, 2008 10:51 AM

To be far, that is somthing worth mentioning. I mean is JayLa doing his job if he does not say that Taylor and LFB have been healthy? I can understand maybe not liking the term Freakishly.a

Posted by: 35332 | July 21, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Here is another thing I think Taylor helps on, the swing/hitch/dump pass to RBs....

We were routinely destroyed on that play last year because we got piched. I feel Jay Tay has the athleticism to curtail that.

Whateves, I am siked! Lets play ball and see what happens!

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

*Fair*

Posted by: 35332 | July 21, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Lots of angst in Skins Nation already - great to get back to the only sport that matters.

The way I see it is that the real discussion should be focused on the decisions about the depth on the d-line rather than the trade and the deep cynicism of the fan base that has become acute due to mistrust of ownership and ownership's pats history that stoked that fire.

Very few choices here, and the Skins wasted no time. If the team had not been successful, the fan base would have roasted Snyder et. al. Now that Taylor is on board, they get roasted too. Catch-22. And plenty of actors in that drama - team and fan base.

Time to focus on the product on the field. Taylor's here - let's see what he can/will do.

Posted by: HereWeGoAgain | July 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

'Redskins980' SUCKS

Posted by: 4th | July 21, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Barber is a beast and nobody's stopped him yet, so Taylor can't be any worse than what we've got

Did you watch the NFL last year? As I remember Barber failed to reach 1000 because the skins line was in mouth. i think he finished the game with -3. I don't want to hear about how the game meant nothing. They had Barber Romo and the whole starting O-Line in.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

AM Update 2 - Re: the heat
Posted on July 21, 2008 by Matt Terl
Yeah, so remember how I said it wasn't as hot as yesterday? Disregard that....

There were ups and downs in practice, of course, but the highlights were almost all during the TE/RB vs. LB/S drills. Sellers continued his strong practice, with a jugggling catch off a tipped ball and some nifty moves. RB Marcus Mason put an insane juke on LB Rian Wallace to get free and make a catch. And the drill ended with Portis scoring a TD over London Fletcher and spiking the ball emphatically. It was the liveliest practice got, and everyone seemed happy about it.

To answer some common questions: Smoot is fine, and is practicing today. Jason Campbell has streaks of terrific throwing, and some slower streaks. Yes, Shawn Springs looks like he's in terrific shape and say he feels great.

More later.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 21, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

We were routinely destroyed on that play last year because we got piched. I feel Jay Tay has the athleticism to curtail that.

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 10:55 AM

His NFL record for INTs returned for TDs come almost exclusively from stopping that pass cL.

Watch film of him; when he's not going to the passer, he's reading the play, and even if he doesn't get there first he still gets to the receiver as the ball does almost every time. He really is just as effective a LB as DE.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Bunch of whiners.

Some stats instead of hand-waving:
2007 solo tackles:
Fletcher 101
McIntosh 68 (13 games)
Landry 63
Springs 57
Smoot 44
CARTER 43
Doughty 32
Taylor 32 (9 games)
Washington 32 (12 games)
Montgomers 31
Prioleau 30
GRIFFIN 28

So, the CB's are already making the tackles, along with LB and safeties. If the Skins' defensive scheme is to use the line to occupy gaps and channel the RB into tacklers, it's working. If the scheme is for the DL to make tackles it clearly isn't working.

Let's look a little further afield, in the mighty NFC East the leading tacklers are
Fletcher WAS LB
Wilson NYG DB
Pierce NYG LB
Williams DAL DB (leagues' dirtiest player)
Gaither PHI LB
McIntosh WAS LB
James DAL LB
....

In fact it's not until you get to #18 with Trent Cole that you find a DL, and he's from Philly not NYG.

Your analysis does not hold water Corkczar: DL don't make tackles on running downs, they occupy gaps and free LB/DB to make tackles.

As far as old.. the Skins made the playoffs last year! They did so despite some horrendous injuries to the OL and losing their best player #21.

Rebuilding? For losers (like the Fins, for example). Teams have to reload, with the cap and FA you just can't go from lousy to good through the draft anymore.

You can STAY better, like the Patriots. But it takes too long to build through the draft, by the time you've got 20 quality guys the first class are FA and leave the team because you can't afford them anymore.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The one that screwed the Redskins was Gibbs who took 4 years to finally figure out he didn't have it anymore and that Time had passed him by. Snyder gave him everything and every one he wanted and Gibbs called the shots and they all missed.

Then Gibbs quit leaving Snyder in the lurch. Hiring Zorm & puting Cerritto? in charge of player personnel was brilliant as was getting the dancing end. Lets face it Danials was a never was that filled a spot but not a need.

I look for the Skins to go 11-5 and at least two games into the playoffs.

Those who will strongly dissagree are the victims of the Post's brainwashing "Blast Snyder" group of writers that refuse to understand that it was Gibbs, not Snyder that let us all down and that if a certain safety had been on the sidelines cheering on or helping his team mates ( like other injured players do) instead of shacking up with his girlfriend in Florida he would still be alive.

AJ

Posted by: Alligator Jack | July 21, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

So much for the distinguishable updates.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

As a Skins fan who lives in the Philadelphia area, I find it comical that everyone is so concerned about Westbrook runnin all over the Skins. The fans/media are constantly destroying Reid for his unwillingness to run the football. Like the Cowboys, the Eagles are a pass-first offense, and Taylor will help in that regard.

Posted by: Matt | July 21, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm liking the Taylor trade. I don't think we've given up too much for a perennial Pro Bowler who is still operating somewhere near the peak of his powers. Sure we could have used a 2nd round pick on a DE but there would have been no gurantees that they woould have become a quality player in the NFL. Barring some horrible season-ending injury, Taylor guarantees us a pass rush to be respected this season. He's been healthy all his career and by all accounts his attitude in the locker room has always been exemplary. As for his problems with Parcells, well let's face it, he's not the first person to have had problems with him and on top of that, old Tuna had to pick on someone to show everyone who was in charge in Miami now.

I don't see much of a downside to this trade. We've still got plenty picks in next year's draft including our 1st and 3rd rounders and Taylor is a proven talent who would have to make a complete departure from his career so far if he were to turn up in Washington and not perform.

Posted by: tartanskin | July 21, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

In 2004 Redskins draft a man named Taylor from Miami.

In 2007 the Redskins play their first regualr season game against the Dolphins; a team from Miami.

In 2007 a man named Taylor from the Redskins gets injured and decides to rest in Miami.

In 2007 the Redskins lose a man named Taylor to a senseless tragedy in Miami.

Early 2008 Bill Parcells who has coached the Giants and Cowboys both heated and hated rivals of the Redskins takes the position of GM; a team from Miami... Later on Parcells and management fire Cam Cameron; a former assistant for the Redskins.

In 2008 the Redskins accquire a man named Taylor from Miami.

Posted by: Full Circle Perspectives | July 21, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Dan Patrick isn't really Dan Patrick. He must be Dan Snyder. FACT

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

After reading that SpurtinGnu's article, did anyone else get images of a Boyd-Malvo-esque shadow in the trees off the Redskins practice field with a radio in his ear while "The Danny" winks at Cerrano and talks into his watch?

...creepy.

I do wish PD all the best and think he could get a could start on his coaching carreer now if he wants it!

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Do any of you guys know what you're talking about?

Posted by: Just checking | July 21, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

"The smarter move would have been to stick with the new philosophy of building through the draft. Sure teh skins would have a tough year--they will anyway as they learn a new offense and under a rookie coach. But they would have had a naerly full slate of picks next year, to continue rebuilding.

Now, all they are doing is going back to the Bad Old Days.


Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:49 AM"

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Thanks, Corkczar! Finally, someone to speak some sense to these mindless sheep who think that JTaylor and his bloated 8Mil per is the 'last piece' to put us over the top and into the Superbowl. Lotta weed being smoked out there in the 'Skinsdom, apparenetly; Our idiot owner, and his bug-eyed henchman have hemmed up the 'Skins for the forseable future; now that they've blown their wad on this geezer, what happens if someone else gets hurt (hello, no depth anywhere -- no LBs, no OL, no CB's tp speak of really, no nothin')? I know what happens -- We're screwed!! The Giants, Eagles (and especially) the Cowgirls are going to run left AND right on us with impunity, as we have no DEs and, soon no LBs to stop them (Marcus Washington, God love him, will be hurting by week 3), and we will be buried. As far as those 11 sacks everybody keeps getting a boner over. It won't matter if JT gets one sack per game, (good for him; he can pad his stats like Bruce Smith, before retiring with his 'real' team). We play a tough schedule -- (and didn't Tony Homo get sacked like 9 times against the Bills on MNF and still win the game by like 20). Wake up 'fans' Vinny is Fredo and he screwed us again!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Cork & Anon - see you in the playoffs. Again. nyaaaahhhh.

And yes, we did win one more game than the CowPatties in the playoffs.

Posted by: Dik | July 21, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Marion Barber a beast?

I think not. He's got great moves when he gets to the second level, and he will put his head down and finish a run.

But, he's a liability on passing downs (NYG blew him UP in the playoffs) and he doesn't have breakaway speed. Dallas kept him because Jones just wasn't producing, not because he's a great RB. We'll see how well he does this year playing the whole season.

He had MINUS 6 yards against the Skins at FedEx last year. LOVE IT!

Plus he's got those dreads hanging out from his helmet...

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 21, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The Truth wants to know what people would think if The Redskins drafted a stud DE with their first pick in next year's draft?

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 10:38 AM

Personally, I would hope so ... but first round always seems like a BPA proposition. Would be a good idea to think about CB and LB again (i.e., focus on the D-side this next time). There is a jump off LB and CB coming out of Ohio State this year (Laurienitis (sp?), Malcolm something). Or maybe just trade down again and get guys in the second round.

Another thought about Phillip Daniels/"run stuffer" that no one mentioned ... this past season the Skins ran a zone blitz whereby Daniels' job was to line up as an DT (NT?) and then drop into the MLB spot to cover the TE. I feel bad for Daniels ... season ending injury is no way to end a career...

Posted by: dcsween | July 21, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Beepbeep.

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Any word on how Rocky is doing in his recovery???

Posted by: rich20ssu | July 21, 2008 10:23 AM

That would require him to do his da-- job!! Instead he wants to bash the front office and make a comment like we gave up Daniel's, and draft picks. Hey dumb a$$ we didn't give up Daniels. He had a freak injury. We gave up 2 picks for a heck a DE.

Posted by: I'm still ticked "The Dan" is taller than me | July 21, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree, I salute P. Daniels. He was a lunch pail baller. People who say he was "just a guy" should be Bengals fans.

He put the defense on his back in the 2005 play off run, and we were always a much better team when he played.

Thanks Daniels!

Posted by: chris larry | July 21, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

12-4... SUPER BOWL BABY!!!

Posted by: coglianr | July 21, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow, A.J., you're a harsh cat; picking on a dead man is low even for rabid Snyder supporters (what's he paying you?); Gibbs 2.0 was a joke to be sure, but if Danny would have hired a GM (say after the year one of Gibbs 2.0) what was Gibbs gonna do, quit? Don't blame the waiter (assistant coaches) or even the Maitre D (head coach), blame the chef if the food sucks, (I know that's a long and winding analogy, but basically, you gotta hang the bad, losing team structure on the owner, not the coach(es) -- he should just do what everybody else is doing to win, and stop trying to friggin' re-invent the wheel! See New Eng and NY Giants).

Posted by: Guisher | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

May I remind all of you who choose to call us "Negative Nancies" that the more pragmatic among us have been closer to the truth in the w/l column than those who think we are perennial Super Bowl contenders... We are rebuilding. Giving away a #2 for a two year starter is moronic.

However, the real person to watch this season is CP. His YPC has been going down down down down....

IF CP does not return to his 2005 form, we are sunk as our offense will be on the field for less time than whoever sings the national anthem before each game!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Skins window has completly closed. only one team has won the suberbowl with a completly Philosophical change on Offense(tampa with Gruden), it will take at least 2 years for these players to get comfortable with the offense. by that time the defence will be too old to play, i think we will loose our entire D-line within the next 2 years avg age is 32+,

Posted by: Al | July 21, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe some in this blog.

Complaining about getting Taylor after all the complaining of not having a pass rush DE...Making points that he is old when in fact he is younger than Daniels....Saying they they should have used more patience...Why? They lost a starting DE and depth at the position on the first day of camp! Many teams were waiting around in hopes of getting Taylor ...You snooze you lose and in this situation they could NOT afford to wait around not pull the trigger on this.

I do not see the points of the same old tired way over done blown out of proportion FO bashing/owner bashing on this deal....They had to do it and I think they should have done this deal months ago regardless of injury.

I just do not understand how all of a sudden a second & sixth round pick became "we can't live without them" attitude..That's just BS

So what did you want them to do sit around and think golly gee we lost Daniels let's just sit and do nothing and wait for next season.....That is just plain retarded. Oh yeah of course if that were the deal......all we would being seeing in here is how they are NOT making a move...now that indeed would deserve some FO bashing......

HAIL!

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Wow, A.J., you're a harsh cat; picking on a dead man is low even for rabid Snyder supporters (what's he paying you?); Gibbs 2.0 was a joke to be sure, but if Danny would have hired a GM (say after the year one of Gibbs 2.0) what was Gibbs gonna do, quit? Don't blame the waiter (assistant coaches) or even the Maitre D (head coach), blame the chef if the food sucks, (I know that's a long and winding analogy, but basically, you gotta hang the bad, losing team structure on the owner, not the coach(es) -- he should just do what everybody else is doing to win, and stop trying to friggin' re-invent the wheel! See New Eng and NY Giants).

Posted by: Guisher | July 21, 2008 11:29 AM

COMPLETE BS!!!! I wonder what the Gibbs 2.0 era would have looked like with a QB who was not washed up or too young....The main issue the last four years has been QB....bad QB play crippled the offense. As a matter of fact the last 10 years or so.

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The Truth wants to remind most of you that The Redskins have been to the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years and have won more playoff games than The Cowgirls. The Truth is willing to bet that the Cowgirl fans don't complain and downgrade their team as much as his fellow Redskins fans do.


The Truth has been hard on The Danny for a long time, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with this trade. The Truth says that The Redskins recieved a Pro-Bowl caliber player for basically ONE second-round draft pick. The Truth reiterates - ONE draft pick! And yes, The Truth is aware of the scrub draft pick in 2010, but The Truth notes that that is basically nothing.

The Truth says that Erasmus James could turn out to be better than all of the DE's The Redskins passed on in the 2nd round this past year AND better than any 2nd round DE next year. If The Truth is remembering correctly, Erasmus was a 2nd round pick himself.

The Truth really does not see what could be bad about this trade, and The Truth is not blind, he is very willing to criticize The Danny.

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The Truth also wants to play devil's advocate and throw this out there - with a very good roster that could win now, should The Redskins put TC back out there to win some games now or stay with Campbell?

The Truth says to stay with Campbell, but it is (maybe?) an interesting question.

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Levi -

"Many teams were waiting around in hopes of getting Taylor ...You snooze you lose and in this situation they could NOT afford to wait around not pull the trigger on this.

I do not see the points of the same old tired way over done blown out of proportion FO bashing/owner bashing on this deal....They had to do it and I think they should have done this deal months ago regardless of injury."


Uh.... Do you think that just maybe they should have addressed this in the 2008 draft instead of bringing in three pass catchers when we already have at least two excellent ones? Are we really going to field 5 pass catchers on any given play - unless we are trailing by 28 points...?

On the other hand, our d-line was older than dirt and had a history of injury problems. The FO blew it and now they are mortgaging the future for a present that is betting on a head coach who has never even been an offensive coordinator!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"You can STAY better, like the Patriots. But it takes too long to build through the draft, by the time you've got 20 quality guys the first class are FA and leave the team because you can't afford them anymore.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM"

Wow, DanPatrick, I have got to find out where you will be watching the playoffs this year; the 'Skins players will be watching along with you, but I have gotta be there while you're enjoying your crow sandwich. This was a stupid move because it totally depletes the cap -- on the first day of camp!! To hell with the rest of pre-season! Of course no one else will get hurt. And I tell you what, genius, if the DL men in those gaps aren't good at their jobs, guess what happens to the second level guys making the tackles (LBs and DBs)? They get buried smarta$$!! And that is what will happen to these two light-weight DEs this year. Who needs to pass when you're picking up 6 yards a carry -- I love it when they start yanking stats out their a$$es to defend the indefensible. The 'Skins are learning a new offense (from a neophyte head coach). Rebuilding is for winners, numbnuts, re-tooling , (or whatever you called it) is for dreamers (like you and Danny and Vinny).

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"The smarter move would have been to stick with the new philosophy of building through the draft. Sure teh skins would have a tough year--they will anyway as they learn a new offense and under a rookie coach. But they would have had a naerly full slate of picks next year, to continue rebuilding.

Now, all they are doing is going back to the Bad Old Days.


Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:49 AM"

BS this team is not in rebuilding mode! Now the Flacons and Dolphins are in a rebuilding mode....

Going back to old days? Are you serious? Try and come up with something new...instead of using and reverting to the same old tired subject of FO/owner bashing because you are stuck in 2000 and can't seem to come up with any new valid points and keep trying to hammer this in like we have never heard this type of complining before. GET OVER IT!

This was a great move by all accounts in the Skins fan base to all media except for one guy with Sporting News we have never really heard of. He used the same BS your shoveling.

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"The smarter move would have been to stick with the new philosophy of building through the draft. Sure teh skins would have a tough year--they will anyway as they learn a new offense and under a rookie coach. But they would have had a naerly full slate of picks next year, to continue rebuilding.

Now, all they are doing is going back to the Bad Old Days.


Posted by: Corkczar | July 21, 2008 9:49 AM"

BS this team is not in rebuilding mode! Now the Flacons and Dolphins are in a rebuilding mode....

Going back to old days? Are you serious? Try and come up with something new...instead of using and reverting to the same old tired subject of FO/owner bashing because you are stuck in 2000 and can't seem to come up with any new valid points and keep trying to hammer this in like we have never heard this type of complining before. GET OVER IT!

This was a great move by all accounts in the Skins fan base to all media except for one guy with Sporting News we have never really heard of. He used the same BS your shoveling.

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Im sick of hearing that the Pats build around the draft. listen to this

of the pats picks 3rd to 7th round from 2001-2006(5 years for all u cowgirl fans)


ONLY 4 players are on there current roster of those 4 only ONE is probowl. that is 1 for every hmmm....25

not a good way of building thru the draft

Posted by: Al | July 21, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Prediction:

More running backs will have their best games against the Redskins than against any other team this season.

Receivers will have their worst games against us than any other team this season.

Why pass when you can pick up 5+ yards per carry?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

The Truth also notes that The Redskins might not have drafted the "two best tall WR's" in the draft. The Truth thinks the best WR in last year's draft is the guy from Indiana. The Truth can't remember his name.

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 10:11 AM


That'd be James Hardy, my friend. Leave it to your resident Hoosier to come out of lurking for something like this.

Also, the TDawg thinks talking in 3rd-person is very fourth grade. But whatevs.

Posted by: TDawg | July 21, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey Al - Would you please compare the NE draft record between the 3rd and 7th round to the Skins record during the same time frame? How many Pro-Bowlers we got from those rounds during 2001-2006?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Levi -

"Many teams were waiting around in hopes of getting Taylor ...You snooze you lose and in this situation they could NOT afford to wait around not pull the trigger on this.

I do not see the points of the same old tired way over done blown out of proportion FO bashing/owner bashing on this deal....They had to do it and I think they should have done this deal months ago regardless of injury."


Uh.... Do you think that just maybe they should have addressed this in the 2008 draft instead of bringing in three pass catchers when we already have at least two excellent ones? Are we really going to field 5 pass catchers on any given play - unless we are trailing by 28 points...?

On the other hand, our d-line was older than dirt and had a history of injury problems. The FO blew it and now they are mortgaging the future for a present that is betting on a head coach who has never even been an offensive coordinator!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 11:46 AM

NO I completely disagree with you.....they needed those pass catchers...last time i looked one of the issues with this team has been WRS staying healthy and we had no depth to keep going. As well as a few bigger targets..They needed some depth there. I mean what happens if Moss pulls a hammy again? EL? or god forbid Colley was to get hurt...then what?

and BTW They DID draft a DE ...they just didnt draft one early...There was no value this year at the position either. So they have addressed it now in a trade...SO WHAT! They got a DE better than anyone they could have drafted who would be a rookie thrown into the pit already. Talk about getting man handled at that point.

The Bashers are not seeing the big picture here...first off his deal will be redone....and they will go out and get at leats one more depth player at the position...

Have patience sweetie!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Wyatt:

Do you really think we had two excellent pass catchers? Moss is one but Randle El ain't a starting receiver in my book. Also, both were injured for sustained spells last season. Could we confidently rely on both staying fit in this, or any future season? I don't think so. We needed depth at WR and not just that, we needed a number 2 to play on the opposite side from Moss cos Randle El ain't that guy. Hopefully, Thomas or maybe Kelly can be that number 2. Red zone was a big issue for us last year and we were easy to defend against cos we were either going to give it to Clinton or look for Cooley. Now we have many more options in there. Time will tell if any of the DEs we passed on will turn out to be better than Thomas, Davis or Kelly but for now I'm happy with the influx of talent on offense and the addition of Taylor on defense. Maybe we can draft a DE in next year's 1st round or trade down and take one in the 2nd? That way we can look after the future and enjoy the present.

Posted by: tartanskin | July 21, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The Truth asks Wyatt Earp if he thought maybe our recievers were getting aged and slower and less reliable just as much as our defensive players?


The Truth couldn't be the only one to think Santana and ARE were starting to lose it???

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Levi -

"NO I completely disagree with you.....they needed those pass catchers...last time i looked one of the issues with this team has been WRS staying healthy and we had no depth to keep going."


Uhh.... How is that situation different from our d-line? Would drafting one less pass catcher have hobbled us that much? Methinks not. and the DE we would have drafted would have not cost us this much AND we would still have cap space to keep in reserve should we have any further injuries. We are not going to the SB with a first year head coach who has never even been a coordinator! So why mortgage a future player's potential (the 2nd rounder we gave up) for a guy that will be GONE by the time we reach any hope of making a SB run?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

dear Truth... whatever happened to the great upside potential of Mix? A HUGE receiver with time in the league? Now he is bait and we have one less second rounder. We will never see Cooley, Moss, and the three rookies on the field AT THE SAME TIME!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

The Truth would like to add an addendum to Wyatt Earp's previous post. The Truth says that it is Wyatt's OPINION that The Redskins will not go to the Superbowl with a first year head coach.

Posted by: The Truth | July 21, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to be Debby Downer here but does anyone really think we will be contending for a super bowl in the next two years? Honestly? If the answer is no, then this is not a good trade.

Posted by: Moose | July 21, 2008 10:08 AM

It's seldom that simple. I'm pretty sure NOBODY thought the Giants would win the Super Bowl, but they did. And I would argue we have better talent than they do right now. This trade would only help that effort. At the end of the day, you can't REALLY judge this trade until JT has played his two years and you see who the Fins pick with the draft choices.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 21, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Truth - how much you got for the Skins making a SB run this year?? I'm willing to take a serious bet....

btw - all of us give OPINION you moron. but, that is just my opinion...

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Uhh.... How is that situation different from our d-line? Would drafting one less pass catcher have hobbled us that much? Methinks not. and the DE we would have drafted would have not cost us this much AND we would still have cap space to keep in reserve should we have any further injuries. We are not going to the SB with a first year head coach who has never even been a coordinator! So why mortgage a future player's potential (the 2nd rounder we gave up) for a guy that will be GONE by the time we reach any hope of making a SB run?

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:01 PM

The Skins Wr core needed help much more than the D line did. The d line needed some adds and I agree with that...But Wr was in much more need. Last 4 years we have had good production from our WRs but they also got hurt for stretches and that just killed the offense.

The D line is NOT was as bad off as your making them out to be. They had very good production the second half of the season last year. Adding this and most important. The addition of Taylor with his leadership and presence alone just made the line and defense as a whole....Better

If you truly feel the Skins have no hope...Then why even watch the games?

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I love the Redskins, crappy or not.

Neener neener.

Posted by: TDawg | July 21, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Me too TDawg!

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Leevi - what killed our offense was the lack of a good ground game. If you can run the ball, you can pass the ball. We brought in how many receivers over the last few years that were huge busts? Lloyd and Taylor to name but two.... how many DL have we gone out and bought during that time?

Again - how much would it have hobbled our offense to draft one less pass catcher and draft one DE? Because now, the next defensive end we draft will actually have cost us that draft position
PLUS the #2 we are giving to miami!

I watch the games for the same reason the millions of fans do whose teams will also never win the SB - I love the sport and have been a fan since 1968. If they go 2-14 and those 2 wins are against the cowgirls - I'm a happy man.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Wyatt:-

I guess the reason the Skins draft Thomas, Davis and Kelly was because they reckoned they were better value 2nd round picks than any of the DEs still on the board at those times. Time will tell if they were right or not. However, there is no point burning a 1st or 2nd round pick on a particular position just because it's a need. If players available don't represent good value then move along and try and fill the need some other way. That's what the Skins have done.

Posted by: tartanskin | July 21, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Wyatt Earp--
Our WR core produced 2 probowl players WR core was ranked top half in the league.

NOW DL produced NO probowl players. and they are ranked in the bottom half of the league.

So where do you think the SKINS should have paid attention to in the DRAFT

Posted by: Al | July 21, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

The Skins Wr core needed help much more than the D line did. The d line needed some adds and I agree with that...But Wr was in much more need. Last 4 years we have had good production from our WRs but they also got hurt for stretches and that just killed the offense.

Posted by: Leevi | July 21, 2008 12:09 PM

I disagree. The DL/WR need were about even, but it's more important to address the line than it is to upgrade receivers. I don't have a problem with taking 2 wideouts in Round 2, but I have a hard time believing that the D-lineman available when we picked Fred Davis were so bad that we had to take a guy who will NEVER start.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 21, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

tartanskin - did you notice who was drafted just after we selected the TE in the 2nd round?

Al - I think you answered your own question.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Rule #1 in NFC East football - establish the run.

Rule #2 in NFC East football - stop the run.

Nothing we did in the 2008 draft or free agency helped us in the first two rules of NFC East football.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp | July 21, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Catching up on the comments so far kudos to

Posted by: DanPatrick | July 21, 2008 11:00 AM

Right on bro! Very factual and therefore right on - not some scaredy-cat fraid of his own shadow fan's opinion.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 21, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The people who claim this move is like Synder's pass dealings for aging superstars fail to recognize to things:

First, the gravity of the situation (losing two ends in one day) made this move a no-brainer. Taylor is a Pro-Bowl defensive end who, even if it's only for one season, still wants to play football. And an player of his caliber with a chip on his shoulder, thanks to Bill Parcels, should have a great year.

Second, the Redskins actually had 8 million in cap space to make a deal like this. Let me repeat that. The Redskins had ample salary cap room! When's the last time anyone could say that about Snyder's team?! And the reason we had cap space was because we didn't overreact in the offseason and address the defensive line issues with overpriced, poor quality players. That way, when the time comes to pull the trigger on a deal like Taylor, the organization actually has the funds to do it.

Posted by: neverbeenhappier | July 21, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

While Jason Taylor strengthen us against the pass, it weakens us against the run by having two light DE's. Unless Blatche plans to use Demetric Evans on run downs to spell Carter, we'll have a tough time stopping the run against Dallas, NY, and Philly. Daniels was very tough against the run and played inside on 3rd down.

The bigger picture is the way the Skins used their 3 second-round picks. After picking the best WR available early in the 2nd, it made no sense to pick another and a TE when we needed both a young DL and LB to be groomed behind the starters. Because we had no one behind Daniels, we were forced to make a trade that may not be worthwhile long-term. I don't think long-term that Taylor will be worth a potential long-term starter you would hope to get with a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 21, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey, dudes, just FYI, when you see "beep beep" posted up here, that's the signal that the conversation has moved to a newly posted thread.

Nothing wrong with continuing the conversation on a cold thread, of course.

Cheers...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

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