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Orakpo vs. Ayers

We've spent the past few days discussing the Skins' strong interest in Texas DE Brian Orakpo, and following that I received a few emails about Tennessee DE Robert Ayers, a similar player also projected to go in the first round. While some have reported the Skins are big Ayers's fans, I have heard the opposite and people close to Ayers would be stunned if the Skins used the 13th pick on him.

The Redskins have not expressed much interest in him. They usually bring in prospective first-round picks for a visit but they have not done so with Ayers, according to league sources. They did meet with him briefly at the Senior Bowl and the combine, but have not done anything beyond that, while spending significant time investigating and meeting with Orakpo.

The Skins are generally a very direct team, wanting to have lots of communication with a player and his agent before picking him, especially this high. They haven't sniffed around on Ayers much at all, according to sources. Similarly, the Skins have spent very little time on Florida State DE Everette Brown. Penn State's Aaron Maybin has been seen as rising, according to several league sources, and could go as high as fifth overall to Cleveland, while Green Bay and Denver are also looking at him.

Orakpo finished his visit to Redskins Park this week, and I continue to think that, should Washington not land Sanchez and should Orakpo slip to 13, he's the pick. (My editor Emilio thinks Jacksonville should take Orakpo at No. 8 to make up for bust Derrick Harvey).

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 17, 2009; 3:32 PM ET
 
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Comments

Beantown,

Peters is actually one of the better OT in the league and a 2 time pro-bowler. Who ever said he was one of the worst doesn't know what they are talking about. And all the Eagles had to give up was a late 1st rounder and a 2nd day pick. Crap.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ga8085 | April 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

1st

Posted by: ecjaustin | April 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"The Skins are generally a very direct team, wanting to have lots of communication with a player and his agent before picking him, especially this high."

Not sure I agree with the statement - one of our draft picks last season (I believe it was Fred Davis) said he had no contact at all with the Skins and was surprised with they selected him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 17, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

CP's interview on ESPN last night was at least pretty stylish! The remarks about our receivers didn't show much enthusiasm outside of Santana that's for sure.

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I say we draft in the 6th or 7th round this year that kicker from USC. David Buehler he ran a 4.62 40 time and he bench pressed 25 reps. that is the type of kicker I want. he also can kick incase we need hime to but the dude is 6'2", 225. he level some people on the sideline like Mr. Frost used to do

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 17, 2009 4:30 PM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 17, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

That was great CP26 piece with him and the special olympic peeps!! He is a good dude,,,,,,,

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I just saw that the Bills traded away their Left Tackle to the Eagles.

Seeing as how the Bills pick ahead of the Skins, I think this seriously diminishes the chances that one of the top 4 Tackles are there at pick #13.

Posted by: HokiePaul | April 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

philly getting peters makes a ton of sense for them. Trade price (if it was a loate 1st + a 2nd day pick) was very reasonable and their need is a lot like our need at OT. Major.

Some people may think we could have gotten peters. Except peters and Dock played next to each other in Buffalo, and they must have had the chemistry all wrong, since neither was all that special last year, at least from what I've heard/seen. Maybe a case of great talent and bad chemistry?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo hands down should be our pick. I wouldn't mind trading up as long as its to get him. You can't deny his versatility. He could be either a DE or SLB for us.

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

NO TO ORAKPO AND AYERS

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought they've already started making Sanchez jersey's JLAc!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

what's wrong with orakpo 4th?

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

What is the big deal with Ayers? He had three sacks last year. We already have that kind of production, no need to waste a 13 on him. If were going pass rusher, we need to trade down and get Michael Johnson. Last year he had a "down" year for tech and still had 9 sacks. He is built like Peppers but faster. Im sure it wont happen but it would be nice to have a guy who is going to get you at least 10 sacks a year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 17, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Everyone here seems to be jumping on the defensive bandwagon. What is the Skins strength? Defense. So we need offense. I say trade Portis to the Cards for Boldin, then when the defense backs up to cover Boldin and Moss, Betts could do what Portis does for us..JMHO

Posted by: Dkessler1 | April 17, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4077093

eagles gave up 1st round this yr # 28, 4th round this yr, and an undisclosed pick in 2010 for peters..........

Posted by: mafreeman | April 17, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

what's wrong with orakpo 4th?

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009

History of injuries: knee
Malcolm Kelly, Rocky McIntosh type. Not worth a 1st.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

what's wrong with orakpo 4th?

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009 4:46 PM |

He has bust written all over him. Mayock thinks he's high risk/high reward, but that also means 50/50 bust. And he needs more weight on him........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

HELP! Lets do it right this year!
If Arakpo is available-Take him!
If not, lets try to trade down and pick up a second round pick and a third along with a late first. Try for a stud blue-collar linebacker-Clay Matthews in round one. Alex Mack-Max Unger-center-guards should be available late in round one or early two. Then go for 6'8" OT Loadholt from OK in round three. It's not hard. We don't need a QB!!!! We have Colt who will work out fine if given the chance tio show what he can do with a strong OL. GET IT RIGHT THIS YEAR!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I agree with the statement - one of our draft picks last season (I believe it was Fred Davis) said he had no contact at all with the Skins and was surprised with they selected him.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 17, 2009

That was a trade down from a 1st. Vinny "I pick whatever Mel Kiper tells me to" Cerrato making the selections.

This year its another Dan-O Snyder production from the Big Island. Lots of visits, hob knobbing with agents.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Just casually walk by an Eagles fan, or the next time you are at the Linc, just plant both feet on the ground, find your balance and shout, "1960!"

it burns them every time.

I don't care whom they draft, whom they trade for, or whatever. it's sweet.

DON'T TAKE SANCHEZ! do you really want to hear Dirty Sanchez jokes every time he gets sacked?

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | April 17, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

If Orakpo is available-Take him!

And if he can't play because he's injured?
Too risky.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

That clinches it. 'Skins will pick Ayers.

Posted by: swowra | April 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Its mostly the junior / high school kids want another "beast" on defense. Haynesworth wasn't enough for them.

The Redskins desperately need an offensive tackle in the 1st round. Then a center/guard in the 3rd.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Buffalo still goes defense at 11 thinking they have a better shot at Peter's replacement at 28.

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Now that Buffalo owns the #11 & 21st picks look for them to trade up with Seattle and take Sanchez..

Posted by: Dkessler1 | April 17, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

eagles gave up 1st round this yr # 28, 4th round this yr, and an undisclosed pick in 2010 for peters..........

Posted by: mafreeman | April 17, 2009

Down to 10 picks with a higher 1st. Now they can address safety and receiver.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"He has bust written all over him. Mayock thinks he's high risk/high reward, but that also means 50/50 bust. And he needs more weight on him........"
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

That maybe true but he is about the same size as andre carter and just as explosive if not more than carter and could really add speed to the edge with Big Al and Griffin penetrating from the middle. Have you seen the espn bio they did on him? (if not look it up on youtube) When i first saw it back in like feb. i immediately said we need to draft this guy. The guy is a monster.

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, trade Portis for Boldin and use betts for our starting RB with Rock as a backup. Pick up this guy in round 7:
KR/CB Michael Ray Garvin (5-8, 174) created a buzz by running the fastest 40 time (4.24) so far this draft season. Garvin is a world-class sprinter and possesses amazing top-end speed as a kick returner. This type of speed is rare, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see his name come off the board toward the end of the draft as a KR/PR specialist. Florida State

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Like I said in the post above, If Seattle does move down to #11 then maybe they would trade #21 to the Skins for #13 and throw in their 2nd round pick #37. Works for me..

Posted by: Dkessler1 | April 17, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

2 thumbs up on the Iggles trade for Peters. It addresses a major position of need and it should guarantee the Iggles don't get into the Anquan Boldin sweepstakes (though with the cap room we've got, we still might be able to do this).

It also may mean that the Iggles will draft Hakim Nicks at the 21st spot, which may convince Donovan McNabb that the Iggles may finally be serious about surrounding him with the weapons (and protection) he's been looking for during the off season.

If so, we could be a very dangerous team in 2009

Eagles Fan Adam

PS WaPo registration - bad idea, worse implementation

Posted by: DanSnyder2 | April 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about this draft process the more I feel we should go offensive lineman with our 13th pick. I guarantee we will lose one of our starting 5 lineman at some point this season (we always do) and we are going to need a stud to fill his shoes.

As much as it pains me to say it -- I am cool drafting Andre Smith or Michael Oher. Smith was 4 year starter and a flat out beast and Oher is not too far behind him. Either way I would groom them to take the Right Guard or Right Tackle position from day 1.

If in some crazy draft scenario, the big 4 OL (Jason Smith, Monroe, Oher, Andre Smith) are off the board and Orapko is available then its a no brainer take Orapko. But he won't be there. He just won't. I've read articles about Orapko saying he was a man among boys in college and experts predict he will continue to improve and progress at the NFL level. He's a potential 10-12 sacks a year type of guy. With all that said, I just can't see him (Orapko) being available at 13.

If we trade up, in typical Redskins fashion, I hope we get Orapko or that stud Linebacker Aaron Curry. These are the only two guys I would trade up for period!!! Forget all that Sanchez non-sense. Trust me, we won't draft Sanchez. Redskins want a Super bowl ring now not in 2-3 years which is how long it would take for Sanchez to progress.

If we somehow manage to trade back and acquire a second round pick, I say we take one of the three USC linebackers with our mid to late 1st round pick. Then take DE in the second round and go OL in the 3rd round. But this scenario makes too much sense which why is won't happen like this. What do you guys think?

Posted by: mriles17 | April 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I read that Peters wasn't even drafted. Wouldn't it be something if we could find our own charcoal covered diamond this year that nobody else wants? I'm not sure that skill finds this type of player. I'm hoping for blind luck. Its all we got!

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that the top rated DE (orakpo) will slip to #13.

I find it hard to believe he is worth trading up for with guys like Maybin, Ayers, Johnson, Cushing, Matthews, and Maualuga out there.

I find it hard to believe after adding Haynesworth to the 4th best D that we would draft a defender. The only guy that we 'need' to replace seems to be Springs.

I find it hard to believe that there won't be a top 4 OT available at #13, and with the pass rushers in our division this would be a huge asset.

I find it hard to believe that JLC gets paid for writing this stuff


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

RE Orakpo: If he's undersized... We don't need no stinkin' tweeners! (Undersized translates to ineffective + more injuries.) Either get a strong-side DE with proper size & strength, or a true strong-side LB.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I read that Peters wasn't even drafted. Wouldn't it be something if we could find our own charcoal covered diamond this year that nobody else wants? I'm not sure that skill finds this type of player. I'm hoping for blind luck. Its all we got!

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

He was an undrafted TE. The Bills moved him to the OL and voila, Pro Bowl player. Agreed that luck was involved, but kudos to somebody(somebodies?) on the Bills for the position swap.

Eagles Fan Adam

Posted by: DanSnyder2 | April 17, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Eagles trade for a Pro-Bowl caliber LT, and our guys are trying to figure out how to trade up for Mark Sanchez...

It pains me to say this, but if all this talk is real and the FO ends up taking Sanchez, I would be happy to see the team fail simply to spite our owner...

Posted by: p1funk | April 17, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I find it hard to believe that JLC gets paid for writing this stuff
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 5:08 PM

He doesn't. He gets paid to cover the Redskins and write articles for the paper. This an add on task. Matt Mosely, Matt Terl-they probably get paid for their blog duties. JlaC gets a couple of extra doughnuts on Friday for his blog work. I'm guessing by his constantly stirring up trouble that if he gets enough posts they let him have cream filled instead of just glazed.

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

the forgotten USC LB - kalika maiava (sp.?) could be around in the 5th round. He may have been a stand out on most other college teams.

when people talk about the top 4 OT's they mean Smith, Monroe, Smith , Oher, but some people have Beatty and Britton ranked higher than A Smith, so even if the top 4 OT's are gone #5 and #6 are in the same class.

just take a Tackle for Homer's sake!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

the forgotten USC LB - kalika maiava (sp.?) could be around in the 5th round. He may have been a stand out on most other college teams.

when people talk about the top 4 OT's they mean Smith, Monroe, Smith , Oher, but some people have Beatty and Britton ranked higher than A Smith, so even if the top 4 OT's are gone #5 and #6 are in the same class.

just take a Tackle for Homer's sake!

Posted by: pabrian2003

because all tackles are equal? Parts are parts?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

...some people have Beatty and Britton ranked higher than A Smith, so even if the top 4 OT's are gone #5 and #6 are in the same class.

Who????

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

...some people have Beatty and Britton ranked higher than A Smith, so even if the top 4 OT's are gone #5 and #6 are in the same class.

Who????

Posted by: will_ga | April 17, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Am i the only one that remembers JLa going on about how the skins loved Ayers in a post a few weeks ago??

We all know what we are getting when we dial into this post anyway. Assuming they are available...If the skins pick anyone other than Maualuga (LB), Cushing (LB) or Oher (OT) with #13 there is gonna be another broken T.V. remote in my house....

Mark my words, Orakpo will never make a pro-bowl.

Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | April 17, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"Oh yeah, trade Portis for Boldin and use betts for our starting RB with Rock as a backup."
Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 5:00 PM |

Good idea. While you're at it, trade Colt to the Saints for Drew Brees, trade ARE for Larry Fitzgerald, and maybe get S. Gostkowski straight up for Suisham. Those trades are just as likely to happen as Portis for Boldin.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 17, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

what does it matter...were gonna sell the farm and trade up for dirty sanchez...

but nonetheless...shouldnt we be doing our due dilligence and bringing all these potential first round picks that play positions we have major needs for in case dirty and orakpo are off the board...a lot can happen in a draft and we may wind up having to make decisions on players we werent planning on including in our decisions...

at least danny is focused on what he wants...

Posted by: deadskin | April 17, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

LINEMAN! LINEMAN!! LINEMAN!!!

We should not even consider anything but a lineman or a linebacker with this pick. If we can trade back and pick up an extra selection then great, but if not then we need to get a lineman ASAP!

Defensive End...Yeah right!...Unless we can get that trade back Selection and take a look at Larry English (DE/LB) of Northern Illinois?

Posted by: AhmadGraham | April 17, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

GreatOne1:

Hopefully he doesn't KICK like Mr. FROST did.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What I hope is happening:

Danny creating buzz for Sanchez to get one of the OTs to drop to 13. Teh Buff trade throws a big fly in that ointment as they are pciking at 12. Bummer.

If one of the elite OTs gets to 13 though:

Trade the 13 to Detroit for the 20/33. Det gets their OT to protect Stafford.

We take best DE/LB not named Ayers at 20. We grab C/G Mack or C/G Unger at 33.

We take best available OT or DE/LB (whichever not taken at 20) in 3rd round.

We need more picks, and Randy (God love him, what a warrior) is coming off very serious injury. Mack/Unger can challenge both Rabach and Thomas and back up all three interior line positions. That would be HUGE, and you have a versatile 10-12 year stud player in Mack/Unger. Jansen has apparently had a fire lit under his ass as he has dropped weight to add quickness and will do for another year; Heyer challenges at RT and/or is first off the bench at both OT spots. Samuels gets dinged, move Heyer over and Jansen goes at RT. Rabach gets dinged Mack/Unger comes in or moves over, and Rinehart comes in. Will need to continue drafting quality OL next year.

I also really hope that ARE is no better than 4th on depth chart with 'Tana, DT, MK all outperforming him to earn the spots.

Last but not least: Sanchez is already on the roster, his name is Colt. No need to reach and grab Sanchez, this is OBVIOUSLY JC17 put up or shut up year. Best move for the team is to give him the best chance to get er done. Any QB will need a good Oline to preform, so you need to build it regardless.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 17, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What is the difference b/t Sanchez and Brennan? Size? No. Stats? No. Draft status? Yes. JLaC, didn't they draft a guy last year that they had never met with? Do we ever underestimate the stupidity of the front office?

Posted by: mmmhmmm | April 17, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

As far as #1 round is concerned ORAKPO was my original choice, but I think I'd pick OHER IF available at #13. Third round get an OLB maybe FREEMAN from OHIO STATE. I'm still for taking LEWIS at #5 and TOLER at #6. Comp. #7 best available WR and NEWTON in FA if he's available.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo, Jackson, or Ayers - yes
Oher or A. Smith - yes
Cushing or Mauluga - yes
trade up for Sanchez - no thanks

Posted by: skinswest | April 17, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

...some people have Beatty and Britton ranked higher than A Smith, so even if the top 4 OT's are gone #5 and #6 are in the same class.

Who????

Posted by: will_ga

walter football . com for one

smith, monroe, oher, beatty, britton, smith

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

because all tackles are equal? Parts are parts?

Posted by: zcezcest1

no, because the top 4 could go and Beatty, Britton, Oher, and/or A Smith could still be there. All these guys are worthy of the slot and we NEED an OT

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

"Danny creating buzz for Sanchez to get one of the OTs to drop to 13.
If one of the elite OTs gets to 13 though:
Trade the 13 to Detroit for the 20/33. Det gets their OT to protect Stafford.
We take best DE/LB not named Ayers at 20. We grab C/G Mack or C/G Unger at 33.
We take best available OT or DE/LB (whichever not taken at 20) in 3rd round."

SkinsfaninKaneohe, this is brilliant --I love it. But will Detroit go along with this. We can still get quality guys by trading back.

I also think your comparison regarding Colt Brennan and Sanchez is right on.

By the way, whoever said that Orapko is undersized is an idiot. This guy is a flat-out monster. We may not need more defensive help but how do you turn down the second best defensive player in the draft. He's a future Pro-Bowler--mark my words.

Posted by: mriles17 | April 17, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

"Oh yeah, trade Portis for Boldin and use betts for our starting RB with Rock as a backup."
Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 5:00 PM |

Good idea. While you're at it, trade Colt to the Saints for Drew Brees, trade ARE for Larry Fitzgerald, and maybe get S. Gostkowski straight up for Suisham. Those trades are just as likely to happen as Portis for Boldin.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy

Not to mention Portis is our best offensive weapon, will be our all-time leading rusher, and has a good chance to be a HOF'er. This would be equivalent to trading Riggins. It's hard to swallow, but true!

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

From Matt Mosely ... on why the Redskins need to draft an elite LT in this draft as opposed to a very questionable "elite" QB:

So how much better are the Eagles with Peters at left tackle? Well, I think having an elite left tackle is one of the greatest luxuries a team could have. Thomas certainly did a nice job, but Peters is a much more dominant (and younger) player. He's athletic enough to block some of the division's top pass rushers such as DeMarcus Ware, Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora. If there's a better left tackle currently playing in the Beast, feel free to provide a name. Here's how I would rank them: 1. Peters 2. David Diehl 3. Chris Samuels 4. Flozell Adams.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a good possibility Seattle is talking up Sanchez so somebody comes to get him at 4. I think they are baiting Danny or SFO. We'll see.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 17, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"what's wrong with orakpo 4th?

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009 4:46 PM |

He has bust written all over him. Mayock thinks he's high risk/high reward, but that also means 50/50 bust. And he needs more weight on him........"

Wait 4th aren't you on the Rey Mauluga bandwagon? You like him but you hate Orakpo?

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 17, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention Portis is our best offensive weapon, will be our all-time leading rusher, and has a good chance to be a HOF'er. This would be equivalent to trading Riggins. It's hard to swallow, but true!

And that's actually WHY the criticism has landed on Campbell. Portis is THE ONE-TRICK pony. FEW and much shorter long runs. FEWER TD's. DOES NOT like to catch passes. Yet demands to to play when they fall behind. NO TD PASSES caught.

YES TRADE PORTIS. But there won't be any takers because no one else is that stupid ... especially with his contract.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009

Riggins? Are you crazy? Riggins caught passes. He was actually quite good at it ... and he blocked better than Portis. There is no comparison and NO, he will not be HOF.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

The only problem with drafting OL is you know and I know they won't be a starter right away. The only way a rookie OLinemen starts is if someone gets hurt.

Plus what's wrong with Samuels at Left Tackle? He still has a few more good years left right? I agree we don't need a QB.

If we don't go OL then we absolutely must draft to fill a need, i.e. Linebacker.

Posted by: mriles17 | April 17, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

The best bests to a sure-thing Impact player next year for the Skins would be:

Aaron Curry.
Jason Smith.
Andre Smith.
Michael Crabtree.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

If its gotta be a lineman I take Andre Smith over
Michael Oher-Rated. Hes got a huge upside and guys like Coach Bugs, Chris Samuels, Randy Thomas, etc. will straighten out his attitude issues.

Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | April 17, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

The only problem with drafting OL is you know and I know they won't be a starter right away. The only way a rookie OLinemen starts is if someone gets hurt.

Plus what's wrong with Samuels at Left Tackle? He still has a few more good years left right? I agree we don't need a QB.

If we don't go OL then we absolutely must draft to fill a need, i.e. Linebacker.

Posted by: mriles17 | April 17, 2009 6:24 PM |

What are you talking about???

Samuels - opening day starter, permanent starter.

Jansen - opening day starter, permanent starter. (2nd round pick)


Why can't our 13th pick of the draft be a starter?

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

(My editor Emilio thinks Jacksonville should take Orakpo at No. 8 to make up for bust Derrick Harvey).

By Jason La Canfora | April 17, 2009; 3:32 PM ET

Here we go...another idiot declaring someone a bust when he's only played one season. Jacksonville took two DEs in the first two rounds last year and had two established veteran DEs playing ahead of them. How about letting the kid earn a starting spot before we go declaring him a bust, OK?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

...some people have Beatty and Britton ranked higher than A Smith, so even if the top 4 OT's are gone #5 and #6 are in the same class.

Who????

Posted by: will_ga

The guy who thought Rinehart was a good pick last year?

Posted by: TheCork | April 17, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

How about letting the kid earn a starting spot before we go declaring him a bust, OK?

Posted by: brownwood26 | April 17, 2009 6:35 PM

Think about it this way, brownwood. If he's a bust as a rookie, then makes it as a sophomore, he can be in the running for comeback player of the year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 17, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo has as much a chance slipping to #13...as La Canfora does being drafted #1

Posted by: unc1dmo | April 17, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The Peters trade is an interesting one. He's a very talented guy who can play either tackle and excels as a pure athlete rather than a technician. At 27, the sort of player you could build your o-line around.

There's nothing wrong with his effort level -- this guy started as a wedge-buster -- but he's had attitude problems for the past two seasons. That seems to happen a lot in Buffalo, around contract time.

No doubt the Bills figured with the tackle depth in the first round, they could get a viable replacement for Peters while picking up two other players in areas of need. As so many have pointed out, the real strength in this draft is later in the first and through the second round, so that player could turn out to be better than the top choice. Plus they get a fourth and next year's sixth.

Philly is gambling. Peters isn't the best pass blocker out there, but he's a known quantity, and Andy Reid seems to like vets on the line. I don't know who called that late first round pick 'meaningless', but it isn't. Like I said, we could well see a surprise star at that end of the round.

One thing's clear: Philadelphia felt they didn't have the horses to block the other teams in the NFC East.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 17, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

One thing the Skins don't do. They don't do a good job of finding a solution and keep it.

No football team ever gets everyone they want at every position. But if you look at the Skins gret run in Gibbs 1.0, a bunch of names were on all (or most) of those teams. Green. Monk. Grimm. Jacoby. Bostic.

There is a real advantage to having a solution at a position for 10 years. On the current roster, only Chris Samuels at LT has been a solution for more than 5 years.

What getting that 10 year guy does is it means for 10 years, you never have to use a day 1 pick on that spot.

The guy doesn't need to be great. Just good and reliable. It allows you to focus on areas of need.

The Skins have a bunch of young guys on defense who are young. There is no obvious reason, if the Skins get Curry, that Rogers+Hall+Landry+Horton+Albert+Golston+Curry couldn't form the core of a defense for the next 5 years, and several of these guys could be around for around for closer to 10 years. Surround this core with a bunch of just-a-guy guys and you'll still have a good defense. Do better than that and you'll have a Super Bowl quality defense.

On offense, there are only 3 guys with horizons that potentially exceed 5 years and that fit the description of good and reliable. Campbell, Cooley and Dockery. That's it.

Fixing the defense for the next 5-7 years by adding Curry allows us to spend the next several years adding to the offense, starting with the OL.

There is no magic bullet player in this draft. We need many players, but we need to get at least 1 guy, hopefully 2, that become 10 year guys. Set the defense up for long term success and then go after the offense. it won't all happen in 2009, but its a plan that would have this team be competitive for a long time

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, trade Portis for Boldin and use betts for our starting RB with Rock as a backup. Pick up this guy in round 7:
KR/CB Michael Ray Garvin (5-8, 174) created a buzz by running the fastest 40 time (4.24) so far this draft season. Garvin is a world-class sprinter and possesses amazing top-end speed as a kick returner. This type of speed is rare, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see his name come off the board toward the end of the draft as a KR/PR specialist. Florida State


Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

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Oh yeah! And in the first game against the Giants, this little guy gets killed!

That's why we need an offensive lineman. Some people think we can get a center or a tackle like Kropog or Cadogan in the 3rd round. That's why I like Tyson Jackson, DE, with our 1st round pick (if he's there). Jackson's better than Orakpo, Everette Brown, and Ayers.

Hey JLC, what have you heard about the Skins scouting Jackson?

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 17, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

In case you all forgot, CP gets in the end zone and Betts does not.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 17, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Im in the minority but I really like Ayers. I hear the talk that he only had 3 sacks but he also led the SEC in tackles for loss.

Tennessee used him in many different ways and Mike Mayock, whose opinion I respect more than Kiper or his jock sniffer McShay, has him 5th overall on his board and is convinced he could play anywhere in the front 7.

Plus he has about 10 more pounds on him than Orakpo who I dont think will be available at 13 anyway.

Ayers, Oher, or trade down and get a LB are the scenarios I would like to see.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | April 17, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

For those Orakpo Fanatics that envision him as the LDE we so desperately need, check this out from Washington Times...

"Hours after they released former Pro Bowl linebacker Marcus Washington, the Redskins' search for his replacement began when they told Texas standout Brian Orakpo they envision him as the strongside linebacker in their 4-3 defense."

Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | April 17, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I like Ayers and Tyson Jackson.

Michael Johnson looks promising if we find ourselves in the second round looking for D.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles can drown in hair gell

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 17, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Is GREG BLATCHE going to convert to a 3-4 because MONEYSWORTH is in the house? Ve-e-r-r-y In-t-e-e-r-e-e-sting.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason - I've seen approximately 847 mock drafts and none of them have predicted that either Orapko or Sanchez would be available at 13. So on the off chance those are right, and the Skins are wrong, what would the Skins do assuming both of those players are unavailable? Trade back? Take Ayers? Oher? Jackson (Lsu)? Someone else? Thanks

Posted by: GreenDeath | April 17, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, our stockpile of LB's IS overwhelming. There's ORAPO of course. There's FLETCHER, McINTOSH, BLADES, FINCHER, SINCLAIR, uh-h-h shouldn't there be some more LB's if we go to a 4 set? Haven't we signed too many linemen for that set-up? ALEXANDER, GOLSTON, MONTGOMERY, GRIFFIN, MONEYSWORTH, WYNN, CARTER, AND DANIELS (8). O.K., they're going to back CARTER off the line and play DANIELS and/or WYNN in his spot with MONEYSWORTH at LDE and rotate GRIFF, MONTY and K as nose tackles with ALEX as back-up. Ma-a-aybe.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 17, 2009 7:16 PM | Report abuse

That maybe true but he is about the same size as andre carter and just as explosive if not more than carter and could really add speed to the edge with Big Al and Griffin penetrating from the middle. Have you seen the espn bio they did on him? (if not look it up on youtube) When i first saw it back in like feb. i immediately said we need to draft this guy. The guy is a monster.


Posted by: duncanrobee | April 17, 2009 5:00 PM |

We need a replacement for Phillip Daniels, not Carter. They are 2 different kind of DEs........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Pick up this guy in round 7:
KR/CB Michael Ray Garvin (5-8, 174) created a buzz by running the fastest 40 time (4.24) so far this draft season. Garvin is a world-class sprinter and possesses amazing top-end speed as a kick returner. This type of speed is rare.

ANYONE REMEBER DARRELL GREEN???

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Wait 4th aren't you on the Rey Mauluga bandwagon? You like him but you hate Orakpo?

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 17, 2009 6:18 PM

I would draft Mauluga in the 2nd and let him learn behind LFB for a year or 2.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 17, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have a bunch of young guys on defense who are young.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 6:42 PM

Brilliant observation. Belongs in the RI HOF along with some of JLC's Einsteinian deductions.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah! And in the first game against the Giants, this little guy gets killed!


Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | April 17, 2009 6:42 PM |

SEEMS LIKE THE TITANS DRAFTED A RB LAST YEAR AT THAT SIZE AND SPEED AND WHAT DID HE DO???
GET REAL!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

The USC Samoan LB is NOT that good. Trade back and pick up Max Unger a first round talent that can play center-guard and tackle!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Jason - I've seen approximately 847 mock drafts and none of them have predicted that either Orapko or Sanchez would be available at 13.

Posted by: GreenDeath | April 17, 2009 7:16 PM |

Mr. Death. Dude. Your need to crawl out of your man cave occasionally and come up for air. Mel Kiper, the Jesus Christ of draft gurus has had the Skins picking Sanchez for some time.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, Carter's best sack total came when he played LB in SF. He thought he'd be a stud DE, but he was wrong. The Skins mgmt also thought he'd be a stud DE. They were also wrong.

Carter is one of those guys that, if there is enough talent around him, his lack of productivity isn't a big minus. He reminds of the baseball pitcher that goes deep into the game so he eats a lot of innings but goes 13-18 with a 4.88 era. Not very good, but at least you don't need to have 6 guys in the bullpen to bail him out.

Given how much injuries impact the DL and how heavily rotated they are, having a so-so DE who is close to an every down player isn't a bad thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

No tweeners at strong side DE! We don't need another Jason Taylor-type getting thrown around at LDE.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Death. Dude. Your need to crawl out of your man cave occasionally and come up for air. Mel Kiper, the Jesus Christ of draft gurus has had the Skins picking Sanchez for some time.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Combine that with the Post's LaCanfora and you've got a lock, huh?

Posted by: noluvdr | April 17, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"He reminds of the baseball pitcher that goes deep into the game so he eats a lot of innings but goes 13-18 with a 4.88 era. Not very good, but at least you don't need to have 6 guys in the bullpen to bail him out."

He's better than that. He's one season removed from a 10.5 sack season, and he made some game-changing plays last season, whether it's realized or not -- (A) vs. New Orleans, Carter's pressure and hit on Brees led to the Horton interception, and (B) @Philadelphia, on either 3rd or 4th & goal for the Eagles, Carter stops Brian Westbrook for a big loss. Without the play against the Eagles, we lose the lead in the 2nd half, and without the New Orleans play, Brees was in the midst of a late 4th quarter drive to take the lead.

Carter's play was overshadowed last season due to overall poor pass-rush, but he played reasonably well all season (nowhere near dominant, but not a weakness). The run game never struggled to the weakside -- when it hurt us, like vs. Dallas or vs. the Ravens, it was almost exclusively up the middle or to the strongside (hence the need for an SLB and probably the weak attempts at retaining Evans).

Watch, a solid season is coming for Carter. I'm thinking 8+ sacks and his usual remarkable stamina.

Posted by: psps23 | April 17, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN: "The Philadelphia Eagles have worked out an agreement in principle to acquire Buffalo Bills left tackle Jason Peters, according to multiple sources." Very strange. Let's follow the trail and see where it takes us.

1. Eagles trade for Peters.
2. Andy Reid, a former OL, is a shrewd judge of OL talent. He knew Thomas and Runyon were spent and threw them overboard and now is bringing in Peters as a replacement. Plus he has a chi-chi QB who don't like being sacked and has given the team an ultimatum to improve or else ...
3. Jason Peters led the league in sacks allowed in 2008.
4. Hence, if the Eagles are birddogging Peters, sacks must not be a very good measure of how well a OL performs.

Howsomever ...

5. On RI we have been treated to a never-ending chorus of comments about how the Skins' OL allowed too many sacks in 2008 and hence they need to draft a OL in the first round to rectify this gross inadequacy.
6. By bolstering the OL in the draft the Skins will greatly facilitate Campbell blossoming into an elite QB.

Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 8:07 PM
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U r a moron.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 17, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Pick up this guy in round 7:
KR/CB Michael Ray Garvin (5-8, 174) created a buzz by running the fastest 40 time (4.24) so far this draft season. Garvin is a world-class sprinter and possesses amazing top-end speed as a kick returner. This type of speed is rare.

ANYONE REMEBER DARRELL GREEN???

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 17, 2009 7:25 PM

Also check out:

WR Mike Wallace 6'1" 200 (4.28 - 40) (Miss)

DB Ladarius Webb 5'10" 179 (4.35 - 40) (NS)

DB Greg Toller 5'11" 191 (4.37 - 40)


Crazy fast guys.

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Lets see, our stockpile of LB's IS overwhelming. There's ORAPO of course. There's FLETCHER, McINTOSH, BLADES, FINCHER, SINCLAIR,

Let's see, our stockpile of LB's is actually not bad and has improved relative to backups:

Sinclair got released ... duh???

Robert Thomas a former Rams 1st rounder was signed to replace Khary Campbell and compete with HB Blades for the open LB spot. Chris Wilson is moving to linebacker.

SOOOO ..

MCINTOSH FLETCHER, BLADES, THOMAS, FICHER, WILSON, SMITH, Tyson.

They still do need a replacement for MWash which is where a Curry, Orapko, (any of the USC LB's) might come in. Preferably Curry.
Snidely, like so many fantasy football high school types wants a "fantasy football" impact player at LB instead of what is sorely and desperately needed:

AN OT and GUARD and CENTER.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

From NFL.COM
The Denver Post, citing a league source, reports that Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders will bring in Sanchez for a workout Tuesday.

The Broncos have the No. 12 and 18 overall picks in the first round to package in a trade if they want to move up to select Sanchez. Our NFL.com

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 17, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Given how much injuries impact the DL and how heavily rotated they are, having a so-so DE who is close to an every down player isn't a bad thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009

EXACTLY!!!

Players who may rotate in at DE next year:

HAYNESWORTH (frequently did in Tennessee)
DANIELS
WYNN
CARTER
ROB JACKSON (here's your speedy so-so end!)
MONTGOMERY (he is talented enough to do it)
BUZBEE (eventual replacement for Daniels?)

So, we probably need a linebacker more. But what if Wilson pans out?

Now think about what happens (as did last year) when both the starting left and right tackles are injured .... you don't rotate at that position. You have no back-up center should Rabach go down. Thomas with a neck plate? Who's behind him? If Dockery goes down?

This ain't rocket science people.


Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm let's see ...

Jason Peters LT Philadelphia Eagles
6'4" 340 pounds (and A. Smith is too big?)
27 years old.

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 87

Comment: Peters is a four-year veteran who was a converted tight end coming out of college. He is a very athletic player who gained enough strength and size to become an excellent left tackle for the Bills. He is quick to kick step and gain leverage as a pass-blocker using an effective punch and foot work to keep defenders at bay. He needs to continue to work on his technique and pad level because quick counters can sometimes exploit his inexperience. He has heavy hands with his initial punch off the line of scrimmage. He has power to get movement as a zone-run blocker and stays connected with active hand use and foot agility. Peters maintains proper body position with good knee bend and instincts. He does a nice job versus bull rushers by anchoring with his powerful lower body. Peters isn't very active on the second level, but is a steady effort player who should continue to develop his overall game in the coming seasons.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Stephon Heyer RT Washington Redskins
6'6" 314 pounds, age: 25

008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 59

Comment: He was a rookie free agent last year who has very good size with adequate athletic ability. He was thrown into the fire quickly in the first game after Jon Jansen was lost for the season against Miami. He struggled early, but then showed improvement as he gained experience during the season. He did not take over as the starting RT until Week 12 and at this time is better suited to be a backup. In the run game, he lacks explosion on contact. He will get overextended and not bring his feet. He had adequate success sealing angles with his size and will be wide with his hands. He is a wall-off blocker rather than a road grater. He is inconsistent on mesh combo's and struggles to adjust when attempting to climb. He shows limited knee bend and tends to be a catcher. In pass pro, he will be upright in his set and slide. He has adequate foot quickness, but lacks good knee bend. Low rushers can walk him back when he's upright and he will struggle to sink weight and recover. He shows limited foot quickness when reacting to counters. He has size and is young enough to improve with experience. He has certain athletic limitations, but he can be an adequate young backup for the future.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Stacy Andrews RT Philadelphia Eagles
6'7" 342 pounds, age: 27

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 75

Comment: Andrews is a massive lineman who is maturing at just the right time. He's tall and has long arms, huge hands and a thick torso. He began his career as a guard, but he came into his own at right tackle last season. He still can play either guard spot, but he has more value at tackle. He's young, got a late start in football and still has loads of upside. He's very powerful, with great upper- and lower-body strength. He's agile and nimble for a big guy, quick out of his stance and able to seal the edge. He has rare speed for his size and can be an effective downfield blocker. His technique needs more work, particularly his hand placement, blocking angles and recognition of stunts, twists and games. Andrews has been inconsistent during his short career, but he already is a very good right tackle and could develop into an elite player soon. He should be one of the premier free agents of 2008.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Shane Andrews G Philadelphia Eagles
6'4" 335 pounds age: 26

2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 84

Comment: He is a massive starting right guard who has now earned Pro Bowl invitations in back-to-back seasons. He is the Eagles' best all-around lineman and run blocker who battled through injuries throughout the season. He has rare size, physical play strength and athletic skills for the position. He plays the game very light on his feet and runs well when in space off the pull and can adjust on the move. He has excellent lateral range in pass pro and can slide or shuffle to stay with different pass-rush moves. He plays with good balance and can shift or reposition himself against counter moves. However, he still will get lazy at times in his technique and will overextend and get top heavy. He has a good, strong punch and can reset his hands on upfield targets. He plays with good awareness and can knock defenders off when coming around on games. He can anchor versus power and maintain the depth of the interior pocket. As a run blocker, when he maintains his pad level he can be very dominant in the trenches. He's a strong drive blocker who can create run lanes with his natural power. He does a pretty good job of bringing his feet with him to sustain blocks and create push. He can make the short pull and adjust in space when hitting targets. Overall, Andrews is still a very frontline starter who struggled with injuries throughout the 2007 season.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/04/17/mock1/index.html?eref=T1&bcnn=yes

fwiw -- this mock has Curry going 8th, basically saying that while Curry is tempting and that various teams will consider him, an LB isn't as critical a need for any of the teams. So they'll go for need and Curry slides down.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Best Offensive Tackles by ESPN ranking:

1. Joe Thomas grade: 94
2. Walter Jones grade: 92
3. Jason Peters grade: 87
4. Leonard Davis grade: 84
5. Shawn Andrews grade: 84
6. Marcus McNeill grade: 84
7. Michael Roos grade: 81
8. Chris Samuels grade: 81
9. Jammal Brown grade: 80
10. Orlando Pace grade: 79

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

For the fifth year in a row, Redskins.com does the work for you. Here’s a sampling of some popular picks for the Redskins at No. 13, as of Monday, April 13.

-- Mel Kiper, ESPN.com

Pick 13: Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

Redskins.com comment: Why give Kiper credence? In 2006, he picked Rocky McIntosh to Washington in a two-round mock draft and in 2007 he was among the first to target LaRon Landry to the Redskins. This year, the king of draft gurus says the Redskins are eying Sanchez, a 6-3, 225-pound quarterback who started only one season for the Trojans. Needless to say, this pick would raise as many questions as it does answers at Redskins Park.

The Redskins also picked 3 out of his top five receivers in the 2nd round in 2008, including his #1: Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis.

No hook 'em between Redskins Park and Mel Kiper? Yeah sure.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

another fwiw, the #9 rated OT on the list, Jammal Brown, was the 13th overall pick a few years back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 17, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The Broncos have the No. 12 and 18 overall picks in the first round to package in a trade if they want to move up to select Sanchez. Our NFL.com

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 17, 2009 8:57 PM
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I can't remember the last time I cheered for the Broncos.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 17, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 8:07 PM
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U r a moron.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 17, 2009 8:20 PM

Heh, heh.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

So Skins have to deal with KC at 3 to get Sanchez.. Otherwise Seattle takes Sanchez at 4.
KC needs a run stopper.. Who and how many does Blache give up to get Danny his elite QB?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 17, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's give them Dave Butz.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 17, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

So Skins have to deal with KC at 3 to get Sanchez. Otherwise Seattle takes Sanchez at 4.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 17, 2009 10:22 PM

ESPN:

Kiper -

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12) : Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia

McShay -

4. Seattle Seahawks (4-12): Mark Sanchez, QB, USC

NFL.com:

4. Seattle: Eugene Monroe (Charles Davis); Eugene Monroe (Sam Wyche); Andre Smith (Jamie Dukes); Matthew Stafford (Pat Kirwan)

Cornfusing, ain't it?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Nats 1 - 8

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Cornfusing, ain't it?
Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 17, 2009

Not really.

Heh, heh.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Pete Prisco, a columnist for CBSsports.com thinks the Eagles now have the best offensive line in the game.

This isn't confusing its downright depressing.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Pete Prisco, a columnist for CBSsports.com thinks the Eagles now have the best offensive line in the game.

This isn't confusing its downright depressing.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:00 PM |


They understand the importance of O line Dominance. Perhaps we should take a lesson and start building our own...

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

If any of the OT fall to the Skins they need to take them. That being said i do not think any of them will fall to them. Defense might be the best option if the skins can't trade back. Lets hope at least one of the rookies from last year comes through this year.

Posted by: richr75 | April 17, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Kiper almost contradicting his April 10th mock. I hope he is right. But he knows that one should never underestimate the mental instability of a Dan Snyder:

__________________________________________

Reno (DC): Better fit for the Skins, Sanchez or Campbell?

Mel Kiper: Campbell is in his last year to show that he can do it. He's going to have to have some things fall into place. Kelly or Thomas is going to have to have an impact this year. Fred Davis at TE. The OL has to play a lot better. This is a put up or shut up for Campbell. This entire organization and coachign staff, they know they have to win. I would take Sanchez if he's there, but I don't think he will be. And they don't have the ammunition to get him. They'd have to move 13 to 4 or 13 to 3.

Mel Kiper: I don't buy into the Josh Freeman talk. Freeman with the 13th pick. He's not highly regarded enough to guarantee that he's the heir apparent there. What Campbell needs to do is be more assertive and a vocal leader.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

This is Mad-Eye Snidely Owl speaking through Vinny to Mel:

This is a put up or shut up for Campbell. This entire organization and coachign staff, they know they have to win.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Pete Prisco, a columnist for CBSsports.com thinks the Eagles now have the best offensive line in the game.

This isn't confusing its downright depressing.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:00 PM |
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Danny wants flash and merchandise sales.. both are not exclusive in his mind. The redskins are just another 6 flags..
The Skins should be building the OLine.. but Danny feels he cant sell OLine merchandise.. Sanchez will be a Skin!!

The Best DRaft the Skins ever had.. 1981.. Grimm and May..

from wikipedia..
About Russ Grimm
He was drafted in the third round by the Redskins in the 1981 NFL Draft. Along with Jeff Bostic, Mark May, George Starke and Joe Jacoby, Russ Grimm was a founding member of the Redskins' renowned "Hogs" offensive line of the 1980s and early 1990s (deemed one of the best front fives of NFL history), which was a mainstay of the Redskins' glory years during the first Joe Gibbs era.

During his 11 seasons as the Redskins' starting guard, Russ Grimm helped lead his team to 4 Super Bowl appearances and 3 Super Bowl victories (Super Bowl XVII in 1983, Super Bowl XXII in 1988, and Super Bowl XXVI in 1992). Along the way, Grimm was selected to 4 consecutive Pro Bowl appearances (1983 through 1986). He was named an All-Pro in each of those years as well.

According to Mark May, a teammate both at Pittsburgh and on the Redskins, no one lived up to the "Hog" persona more than Grimm: "He was a blue collar stiff and proud of it." In his 2005 memoir, May recalled a Christmas party at his house in 1982: "I iced down a keg of beer and stationed it on the landing between the first floor and basement. Russ turned the landing into his headquarters for the evening. He grabbed a chair and a Hog shot glass (a 60-ounce pitcher) and parked his butt on the landing next to the keg. Except for an occasional trip to the bathroom, we didn't see Russ on the first level all night..."
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They understand the importance of O line Dominance. Perhaps we should take a lesson and start building our own...

Posted by: edvar | April 17, 2009 11:10 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 17, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

For the Redskins to win 3 things have to happen in order to compete with the Giants, Eagles, and perhaps even the Cowboys in their own division!:

1. They need to somehow draft Andre Smith, the guy is another crazy Haynesworth type, but methinks Samuels and company can calm him down. It would definitely help to pick up that C/G type in the third round as well! And Fred Davis needs to step up at TE. This should give the Skins a competitive offensive line. One that will be able to open holes for one-trick pony Portis. Except for kicker if I am the coaching staff I am lobbying hard for OL on every single pick.

2. Devin Thomas, and Fred Davis have to step up as receivers.

3. Chris Wilson has to make the transition and become the starting SLB. Perhaps MWash has to come back to help with this.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

With a dominant OL Snidely can do beer commercials for the stadium with them. Maybe buy a micro brewery and name it the Hogs or something ...

Sex sells. Sanchez is "chick crack" as is the always popular Colt. Campbell just doesn't fit the image. He's the closer to a blue collar QB with a lot of talent.

Less charisma than a Billy Kilmer, Sonny, Colt. He is far more like a Brady or a Peyton Manning in that regard.

Now that Snidely has lost weight he suddenly thinks he is Mr. "Chick Crack". Methinks he should sell the Redskins and buy a Casino. Hang out with Hugh Hefner and wear a bathrobe with a bevy of beauties on his arm.

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

With a little work on the OL I strongly believe JC17 will have a very good year. It will be his second year in the same offence for the first time in his career and I don't think he did too bad last year. The west coast offence is pretty complicated to master in one season.

I think Sanchez is over hyped and Colt Brennan is a much better quarterback. Sanchez will not have a smooth transition to the NFL and you can't waste another three to four years waiting on him. Matt Leinart had a great college career with great players around him at USC but when he went to Arizona he did'nt do much if anything and he had Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald! John Madden stated last year that he believes Colt to be a better QB than Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

I am no expert in anyway but it seems like a little common sense would go a long way in FO. Draft according to need. the defence is good to go!

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 17, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

With a little work on the OL I strongly believe JC17 will have a very good year. It will be his second year in the same offence for the first time in his career and I don't think he did too bad last year. The west coast offence is pretty complicated to master in one season.

I think Sanchez is over hyped and Colt Brennan is a much better quarterback. Sanchez will not have a smooth transition to the NFL and you can't waste another three to four years waiting on him. Matt Leinart had a great college career with great players around him at USC but when he went to Arizona he did'nt do much if anything and he had Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald! John Madden stated last year that he believes Colt to be a better QB than Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

I am no expert in anyway but it seems like a little common sense would go a long way in FO. Draft according to need. the defence is good to go!

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 17, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

With a little work on the OL I strongly believe JC17 will have a very good year. It will be his second year in the same offence for the first time in his career and I don't think he did too bad last year. The west coast offence is pretty complicated to master in one season.

I think Sanchez is over hyped and Colt Brennan is a much better quarterback. Sanchez will not have a smooth transition to the NFL and you can't waste another three to four years waiting on him. Matt Leinart had a great college career with great players around him at USC but when he went to Arizona he did'nt do much if anything and he had Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald! John Madden stated last year that he believes Colt to be a better QB than Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco.

I am no expert in anyway but it seems like a little common sense would go a long way in FO. Draft according to need. the defence is good to go!

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 17, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Just a quick question, WAPO has been spelling it Orak Po... Isnt it Orap Ko...?

I am probably really late on this, but I have been busy with hockey...

Posted by: Zeebs | April 18, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Either that or Todd McShay and Mel Kiper got it wrong... they were saying Orap-ko

Posted by: Zeebs | April 18, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Not to mention Portis is our best offensive weapon, will be our all-time leading rusher, and has a good chance to be a HOF'er. This would be equivalent to trading Riggins. It's hard to swallow, but true!

And that's actually WHY the criticism has landed on Campbell. Portis is THE ONE-TRICK pony. FEW and much shorter long runs. FEWER TD's. DOES NOT like to catch passes. Yet demands to to play when they fall behind. NO TD PASSES caught.

YES TRADE PORTIS. But there won't be any takers because no one else is that stupid ... especially with his contract.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 17, 2009

Riggins? Are you crazy? Riggins caught passes. He was actually quite good at it ... and he blocked better than Portis. There is no comparison and NO, he will not be HOF.

Posted by: periculum

YOU MUST BE IN KINDERGARTEN

Riggins was cooler and on more successful teams, no doubt.

28th [all-time]
Clinton Portis 2052 9,202 4.5
http://www.sportscity.com/NFL/NFL-All-Time-Rushing-Leaders/

Most rushing yards, first seven seasons
9th
Clinton Portis: 9,202

Most rushing touchdowns, first seven seasons
9th
Clinton Portis: 72

And...He's only 27

hard to argue with facts, champion.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Ok, It is Orakpo based upon his jersey. I swear ESPN was saying it wrong

Posted by: Zeebs | April 18, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

you wouldn't want to catch passes either if you had t-rex arms

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

periculum:

duh. Thanks for that LB list. I feel better. When you learn something about football post me up.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 18, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

check out this OT slaughter (UFA) on the ravens roster 6'8" 340. he is 30 yrs old, 6 games played 0 starts.matter of fact look at the size of those ravens OT's (all redwood trees) not to mention Ogden (retired) was 6'9" multiple pro bowler. it amazes me how little the skins look at raven talent 35 miles away. ravens have one of the smartest gm's in the nfl (ozzie newsome), and if you lasted near the last cut with them, you probably have talent and will knock someone out.Slaughter is still young, move jansen to backup guard or center since he is now a rusty turnstile at OT, and is supposedly respected as a run blocker. why not sign Kendall,if healthy for min $ and depth.what i saw in last yr's OG backups (rinehart, etc.) jansen should be an improvement. I want Curry (almost whatever it takes, to include next yrs #1) because he is future HOF material. no orakpo or ayers. HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | April 18, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

isnt the jouhnson de a poor mans orakpo? he has similar combine numbers. I would love to see us get orakpo in the 1st and jouhnson in the 3rd. we would have two great young freakishly athletic des. that would give us a top 3 defense, then the offense only needs 14-17 points to win a game.

Posted by: SmokeyBandit | April 18, 2009 4:42 AM | Report abuse

I refuse to beleive FO would invite tens of thousands of skins fans to Fed Ex field to witness them trading up for Sanchez.If they take him at 13 it is arguably wise decision making.I hope Andre Smith or Orakpo are their to avoid the controversy,Otherwise Sanchez will be the pick I'm afraid.

Posted by: mark65 | April 18, 2009 4:56 AM | Report abuse

"hard to argue with facts..."

Not here it isn't. We do it constantly.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 6:37 AM | Report abuse

"Best Offensive Tackles by ESPN ranking:
1. Joe Thomas grade: 94
2. Walter Jones grade: 92
3. Jason Peters grade: 87
4. Leonard Davis grade: 84
5. Shawn Andrews grade: 84
6. Marcus McNeill grade: 84
7. Michael Roos grade: 81
8. Chris Samuels grade: 81
9. Jammal Brown grade: 80
10. Orlando Pace grade: 79"

THe above being a good example of sports garbage, Internet version. Two flaws with the rating system: a)the skill reducing th;e result to a single numerical score is a virtual guarantee of innaccuracy, and b) the skill sets (run vs. pass blocking) are just too different -- hardly anybody is really good at both. Instead, teams teams try to find players who excel at one or the other and then minimize their weakness with the scheme.

For instance, Jason Peters is a converted tight end who gained an enormous amount of weight to play tackle. He's extremely good at leading running backs but not as effective staying back and protecting the QB. He might have trouble on the left side for a passing team (Philadelphia, for instance?) so they'd have to make adjustments.

So is the 3rd best tackle in the NFL? Maybe. On the wrong team, he's nowhere near that.

Chris Samuels, on the other hand, is first a pass blocker, and a very good one. Be hard to move him to the right side on a full-time basis. If you traded him, it would have to be to a team that used him very much as the Skins have.

Moving him to the right side might shorten his career, not extend it. Especially if he was expected to lead a punishing run attack.

Tackles are just plain hard to evaluate. You can spot the best athlete, or the player who grades out highest on stuff like pancake blocks, fewest penalties, etc. But that doesn't translate to a single numerical grade for overall performance, which is what the media likes.

Sort of like ranking the US presidents on a scale of 1 to 44. Other than as filler, it's completely useless.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

TRADE DOWN!!!!!!

We need bodies!!!!!

Sanchez is Leinhart II....

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 18, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels, on the other hand, is first a pass blocker, and a very good one. Be hard to move him to the right side on a full-time basis. If you traded him, it would have to be to a team that used him very much as the Skins have.

Moving him to the right side might shorten his career, not extend it. Especially if he was expected to lead a punishing run attack.

Tackles are just plain hard to evaluate. You can spot the best athlete, or the player who grades out highest on stuff like pancake blocks, fewest penalties, etc. But that doesn't translate to a single numerical grade for overall performance, which is what the media likes.

Sort of like ranking the US presidents on a scale of 1 to 44. Other than as filler, it's completely useless.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

That is very enlightening, Samson. How do you rate the top 6 OT's in the draft. They all might be drafted in rd 1. Who fits the Skins best, and what order would you rate all of them as a group?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 18, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Fans should read the Seattle blogs about a possible trade up to #4.... They usually start out with something like this - "Snyder is just stupid enough to do it. Take the trade and run!"

If we trade up for Sanchez and ignore our glaring O line weaknesses, every Redskin QB in the near future will have to buy extra health insurance.

Doug Williams had his career extended because our O line kept the D off of him. Patrick Ramsey had his career in tatters because we couldn't keep him vertical.


TRADE DOWN !!!!!

GET BODIES !!!!!!

Posted by: OLDNOVA1 | April 18, 2009 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Elfin wrote an article on new acquisition Robert Thomas, who was persuaded by Dante Hall to sign with the 'Skins.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/18/thomas-could-be-a-strong-option/

He is most comfortable at wlb, but can play all 3 positions and provides depth for the entire lb group.

Perhaps Vinny actually made a good move here, if Thomas can stay healthy.

Posted by: swowra | April 18, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps Vinny actually made a good move here, if Thomas can stay healthy.

Posted by: swowra | April 18, 2009 7:47 AM

That's what I was saying the day we signed him. He is a goo pick up. A utility man that is capable of starting.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=

What is the deal wit hthe Jets and playing on Jewish Holidays at home? I'm trying to understand what the hang up is?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 18, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

frediefritz: "ho fits the Skins best, and what order would you rate all of them as a group?"

Call me crazy, but I wonder if there's really a Jake Long or a Joe Thomas in this group. Jason Smith reminds me of Ferguson, who the Jets took a while back. Andre Smith reminds me of Jeff Otah. So Jason would project on the left side, and Andre on the right. But beyond that, they all blur. Britton could easily turn out to be the best of them or the worst.

Like I said, it's a very deep group, but not necessarily with a single star. If it were up to Zorn, he's probably looking for a Walter Jones type.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

'Elfin wrote an article on new acquisition Robert Thomas, who was persuaded by Dante Hall to sign with the 'Skins."

Yeah he's a good player. Hampered by expectations of a first rounder, but his real strength is versatility. Vinny does sign some good players.

I bet the biggest reason Thomas signed here is he took a look at the LB group and decided somebody was going to get hurt and he would end up starting.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 8:17 AM | Report abuse

"hard to argue with facts..."

Not here it isn't. We do it constantly.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 6:37 AM |
============================================
Redskins Insider.

Where facts come to die!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 18, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

We will know soon enough but I still think that O line is where we need the most help. There are great points here for all contingincies that may arise but one thing I have learned with Li'l Dan is that flash wins out on draft day regardless of need.

I liked Gibbs 1.0 where it "Was what gem would they unearth in the lower rounds?" We did get a good safety last year in the lower rounds but to me that was an anomaly. More than one contributer from this years draft would make me smile.

Posted by: splitbill | April 18, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone think the Redskins will draft a defensive lineman with their first pick. They signed two veteran defensive ends, and have all of their DT's returning so this suggests to me they plan to milk the position for another season while addressing other needs in the draft. Linebacker and depth for the offensive line seem to be bigger needs this season. I cannot see a blue chip OT available by pick #13 and that would be too early so trading down makes sense. Personally, I think the Redskins get their linebacker by trading down, and an interior offensive lineman. I wouldn't hesitate pulling the trigger on a wide receiver like Robieskie if he falls far enough into the second round. To me, he is more of a sure thing than either of the receivers they drafted last season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 18, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse


Best Offensive Tackles by ESPN ranking:

1. Joe Thomas grade: 94
2. Walter Jones grade: 92
3. Jason Peters grade: 87
4. Leonard Davis grade: 84
5. Shawn Andrews grade: 84
6. Marcus McNeill grade: 84
7. Michael Roos grade: 81
8. Chris Samuels grade: 81
9. Jammal Brown grade: 80
10. Orlando Pace grade: 79

Posted by: periculum | April 17, 2009 9:32 PM
=====================================
Let's see what WalterFootball has to say:

Since the 2006 campaign, Peters' play has regressed exponentially. In 2007, Peters gave up six sacks in 15 contests. And last year, things got downright ugly, as Peters surrendered a whopping 11.5 sacks in just 13 games, good for tops in the NFL. Peters was also whistled for eight penalties, a career high for him.

I don't like this trade at all for Philadelphia; the team would have been better served trading up for Michael Oher or William Beatty, or simply sliding Todd Herremans over to left tackle.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 18, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Of course, everybody's looking for a Walter Jones type. If he played in New York you'd hear arguments that he was the best ever. His name would be mentioned along with guys like Anthony Munoz. As it is, he's been to nine Pro Bowls.

Is there a Walter Jones in this draft? Absolutely no way to tell. Nobody was expecting Walter to be that good, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"snt the jouhnson de a poor mans orakpo? he has similar combine numbers. I would love to see us get orakpo in the 1st and jouhnson in the 3rd. we would have two great young freakishly athletic des. that would give us a top 3 defense, then the offense only needs 14-17 points to win a game.Posted by: SmokeyBandit"

Some interesting points. Ross Tucker argued recently that the only real measure of a lineman's performance was production on the field -- if he got the job done as asked, he was a good linemen, and if he didn't, then it didn't matter how talented he was.
In other words, two freakish athletes does not one successful pass rusher make.

Also, having a good defense doesn't mean you need to score less to win a particular game. Even if you're giving up an average of 17 points over the season, when you play Indianapolis or NE, you better score more or you'll probably lose. The only exception I can think of being the Ravens in their championship year -- Billick would ask Marvin Lewis how many points they needed to score that week, and Marvin would actually give him a figure. Their defense was that in control of the game. Nobody else's is.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

What is the deal wit hthe Jets and playing on Jewish Holidays at home? I'm trying to understand what the hang up is?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 18, 2009 8:10 AM

Probably a higher percentage of Jets/Giants season ticket holders are Jewish than any other team in the league. People can't properly observe the Jewish holidas and go to a football game.

So, why couldn't the Jets play in Denver on the holidays, where a small proporation of season ticket holders are Jewish? This is a reasonable kvetch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

If SI is correct and the Skins wind up staring at Michael Oher at 13, that's definitely an opportunity to trade down for additional choices. There are a couple teams that need a tackle and Oher rates in the top 4. Much as the Skins need a young tackle, they need additional picks more.

It's a judgment call, but if the offer's good enough, I'd pull the trigger. And try not to put all my eggs in one basket, such as the receiver corps.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 18, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Why was Buffalo's oline so bad considering they had Dock & Peters???? Even with losing these two this year all I hear about is Buffalo needs to draft defense. Wouldn't you think they would want to replace these two??? Hopefully, they will go defense at 11 & leave our tackles alone!!!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 18, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Thanks TE....

I have a feeling that the skins will make a play for Curry if he drops to #5......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 18, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I think it would be amazing if we could trade back into the late 20's in the first round and then pick up an early second rounder.

I would take C Alex Mack round one, G Duke Robinson in round 2 and RT Phil Loadholt in round three.

Then I'd go light a cigar.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Why was Buffalo's oline so bad considering they had Dock & Peters???? Even with losing these two this year all I hear about is Buffalo needs to draft defense. Wouldn't you think they would want to replace these two??? Hopefully, they will go defense at 11 & leave our tackles alone!!!!

Posted by: will_ga | April 18, 2009 9:52 AM

Because Buf switched their offense to more finesse and less downhill running. Peters and Dock were built for downhill running.

So, the redskins have a serious effect on the NFC East. We go pay a DLineman $10 Mil a year. Then Philly goes and gets a $10Mil a year Olineman....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 18, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So, why couldn't the Jets play in Denver on the holidays, where a small proporation of season ticket holders are Jewish? This is a reasonable kvetch.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 9:26 AM


There is only a reasonable numba of hours in a day and the gifelte fish will spoi-ell..

Eh,wha, the Eagles land a proven tackle for the equivalent of a second and fourth rounda?? Whatta concept!! Who knows what Tony Mandarich lurks in the hearts of men??

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Self appointed defacto GM Snyder needs to get his head out his azz and hire a person who understands how to build a football team an evaluate players until he does the Redskins will reap what they sow, and what they sowing are seeds of mediocrity because of Snyders arrogance.

Everyone knows he is a marketing machine and that is great but this is about winning I feel sorry for the fans an the players although the players are paid it hurts physically to lose a game that isn't that hard

DRAFTING SANCHEZ IS ASSININE AND A MISTAKE PLUS HE IS NOT ALL THAT ANYONE CAN THROW A DAM SPIRAL IN WORKOUTS , WOW DANNY YOUR A GREAT TALENT EVALUATOR

If the Redskins don't drat an offensive lineman or defensive lineman/linebacker then so be it they are still my team but I understand Snyders vision totally , money!

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | April 18, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

And I'd be smoking a cigar with you, edvar.

That's exactly what I want... horse-trading to get 1 of the top 2 C/G's (Alex Mack or Max Unger, whichever is considered better) and then an OT or guard in round 2, and a guard or OT in R3.

That would make an EXCELLENT Skins draft for me.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Build the O-wall.

Give the QB and WR's 2-3 more seconds per pass play, make bigger holes for CP and LB, keep our D at full strength/speed by keeping it off the field longer, wear down the opponent's D, make 1st downs & TD's easy/predictable in short yardage...

Build the O-wall.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

chasgiffen - we stand as one.

A nice single malt would really complete that whole cigar thing...

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Build the O-wall.

Will make the entire offense shine, that's all we need for a run!!

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Build the O-wall.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 1:26 PM

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 1:40 PM

Posted by: frak | April 18, 2009 1:49 PM


Dream on, dreamers. You better hope that Mark Sanchez has some versatility and can line up at RT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks T_E. Rain much on people's parades?

Can't one foolishly hope that the lightbulb will go on in the FO? Don't answer that.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

yes, O LINE!!!!!!!!!!!! Love chasgiffen and edvar's ideas. You have a line then the skill players no matter what their skill is will be put in a position to succeed. This is the way to get something out of Campbell, Thomas, Davis et al.

Posted by: atari1317 | April 18, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

c'mon CAPS

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Dream on, dreamers. You better hope that Mark Sanchez has some versatility and can line up at RT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 2:09 PM


Pound sand.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Friggin' Caps.

*sigh*

DC sports teams...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | April 18, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Just heard through NFL.com, Redskins will select USC Linebacker Ray Maualauga.

Cool isn't it?
Hail

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

20 year old rookie keeper did well though. if he could get in 'the zone' and have a shut out, or 2, we're back in it.

I saw Ayers listed as the 18th best DL. I'm starting to hope for the trade back and get a Maybiny and a Loadholty type.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo!!! We want Orakpo!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGUc3UL64f0

The man lifts with CHAINS. Need I say more?!?!?!?

Posted by: Crunkenstein | April 18, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

We don't need no stinkin' tweeners (like Orakpo & Maybin) at strong-side DE. Not interested in watching ours get pushed around... used & abused... like Jason Taylor did last season (when he was playing). He was getting mauled on run plays and walled off on passes, all he could do was jump up and try to bat the balls. At strong side DE we need a big, strong dude, 275+ ... a beast.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

That's what made the Taylor trade doubly stupid... a 2nd (!) round pick for an old guy, plus he's simply not the right type of DE for that side. FO decisions don't get much worse than that.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Brian Orapko: WEEKEND WARRIOR

Risk too high JUST SAY NO!!!

NEED I SAY MORE?

Durability 4 Sprained right knee during 2007 opener (Arkansas State) was an early setback. He missed the next four games as a result but did finish the season strong, including two sacks vs. ASU in Holiday Bowl. 2008: Misses Baylor game and plays sparingly versus Kansas due to left knee sprain. Also suffered hamstring strain at the Combine but recovered fully in time for late-March Pro Day workout.
Character 3 No off-the-field issues. Works hard off-the-field, particularly in the weight room. Is a confident player but would like to see his motor run more consistentl

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Just heard through NFL.com, Redskins will select USC Linebacker Ray Maualauga.

Cool isn't it?
Hail
Posted by: abxinc

It would, at least, be a relief and would provide continuity, possible immediate improvement, and a sense of logic.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Just heard through NFL.com, Redskins will select USC Linebacker Ray Maualauga.

Cool isn't it?
Hail

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009

Another idiot kid. Your dad needs you to mow the lawn after the rains. Get to it.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

It would, at least, be a relief and would provide continuity, possible immediate improvement, and a sense of logic.
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009

AND NO OL. Even Dallas. DALLAS!!?? Has moved Flozell from left tackle to right for Leonard Davis who is ranked #2-#3 in the NFL.

Washington Redskins: Worst offensive line in the Eastern Division, perhaps in the entire NFFL.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes, O LINE!!!!!!!!!!!! Love chasgiffen and edvar's ideas. You have a line then the skill players no matter what their skill is will be put in a position to succeed.

Finally a smart kid. Yep, that's exactly what Parcells is doing in Miami. You want to know who he learned that from: Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
Regardless of "priestholmes" critique, the fact still remains #13 goes to Ray Ray!
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Dream on, dreamers. You better hope that Mark Sanchez has some versatility and can line up at RT.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009

Sorry edvar but TE is right ...

Except he had better learn how to play left tackle too. Given Samuel's history of injuries and the fact that he is really the only guy worth anything on that line other than Dockery ... well injury seems more likely than not.

Washington Redskins: WORST OL in the EASTERN DIVISION.
Possibly in the entire NF SJK'ing L.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

20 year old rookie keeper did well though. if he could get in 'the zone' and have a shut out, or 2, we're back in it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 4:30 PM

The keeper doesn't need shut outs. If the offense can't score two goals on the Rangers they should be playing golf -- and they will be soon enough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans! Regardless of "priestholmes" critique, the fact still remains #13 goes to Ray Ray!
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009

Stupid Kid: you might be right. He may go to whomever gets #13 after the Skins trade up to get Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Sorry edvar but TE is right ...

No he's not. He's guessing.

Just like the rest of us.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"priestholmes" Sanchez, did you say Sanchez? The only way Sanchez will come to Washington is if he get lost on his way to Cleveland or California. Sanchez is not Offensive Lineman either. If you belief the Skins needs OLineman, why are you contradicting yourself by indicating Sanchez possibilities?
Expect Ray Ray in Washington Bro
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

He's guessing.

Just like the rest of us.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 5:21 PM

No, there's a difference. I'm guessing. You're dreaming. It's a sweet dream, but next Saturday you'll have to wake up to reality.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Ruh roh. We got a live one here.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

TE

Perhaps you should go back and re-read my post. Here's how it started:

"I think it would be amazing if we could trade back into the late 20's in the first round and then pick up an early second rounder."

You see, "amazing" is the key word. I'm not "dreaming". I know it's a long shot. That's why it would be "amazing" if it actually happened.

You can get over yourself now.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

You can get over yourself now.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 6:02 PM

Now I know you're dreaming, edvar.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

What is a good youtube segment length for a sports spot?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 18, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

20 year old rookie keeper did well though. if he could get in 'the zone' and have a shut out, or 2, we're back in it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 4:30 PM

The keeper doesn't need shut outs. If the offense can't score two goals on the Rangers they should be playing golf -- and they will be soon enough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Oooooooooooooh, Snap! Sorry, I thought I was talking to a Caps fan.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

You can get over yourself now.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 6:02 PM

Now I know you're dreaming, edvar.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 18, 2009 6:22 PM |


Was my snoring too loud? I hate it when that happens.

Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Expect Ray Ray in Washington Bro
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009

Stupid kid on blog yawnnnnn ...

Ray Ray is not coming to Wasington. He runs a 4.65 40. He is too slow to play OLB. He could play MLB after Fletcher retires.

Kiper has Washington taking Sanchez at #13. I guess you don't follow this blog. There have been at least 3-4 postings ad nauseum about Snyder's infatuation with Sanchez as a franchise QB. Although Kiper doesn't see Sanchez falling to 13 he does seem to predict that somehow, someway Snyder will get him just as he tried with Cutler ...

And Cutler almost got lost between here and the Rocky Mountains now didn't he?

Idiot kid

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

28th [all-time]
Clinton Portis 2052 9,202 4.5
Most rushing yards, first seven seasons
9th
Clinton Portis: 9,202
Most rushing touchdowns, first seven seasons
9th
Clinton Portis: 72 (barry sanders and earl campbell had 73)
And...He's only 27
hard to argue with facts, champion
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 12:25 AM

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Was my snoring too loud? I hate it when that happens.
Posted by: edvar | April 18, 2009

Louder. Maybe it will wake up Snyder before its too late.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009

How many runs longer than 20 yards? How many touchdown passes? How many pass receptions?

Check out his stats in the last 8 games. Just the last. His figures looked more like Benny Malone than an HOF. And those were the critical games against the critical teams.

2 TDs, 2 fumbles, 535 yards and 3.2 average.
NO TD passes, maybe 10 passed caught. Around a 7 yds / catch avg.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009

How many runs longer than 20 yards? How many touchdown passes? How many pass receptions?

Check out his stats in the last 8 games. Just the last. His figures looked more like Benny Malone than an HOF. And those were the critical games against the critical teams.

2 TDs, 2 fumbles, 535 yards and 3.2 average.
NO TD passes, maybe 10 passed caught. Around a 7 yds / catch avg.

Posted by: priestholmes

54 20+ runs, 12 40+

receiving
233 for 1,906 avg 8.2 gm/avg 19.1 lng 74, td 4, 20+ 15, 40+ 4, 1st downs 84, fum 0

Since you mentioned it he's 3 for 5, 3 tds, 0 ints, rtng 130.8

hooooooooooopty


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

And the story of the 2nd half of the season was the poor O-line play. It's an 11-man team... CP, JC et al can't play well if not blocked for, this is true for any player, including bonafide stars. There's nothing wrong with CP, he's a stud.

Build the O-wall.
Build the O-wall.
Build the O-wall.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 18, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Porits 2008 last 8 games

13 attempts 51 yards 3.9 yds/carry 22 longest
15 attempts 68 yards 4.5 yds/carry 20 longest
29 attempts 143 yards 4.9 yds/carry 20 longest
11 attempts 22 yards 2.0 yds/carry 5 longest
11 attempts 32 yards 2.9 yds/carry 11 longest
25 attempts 71 yards 3.1 yds/carry 10 longest
22 attempts 70 yards 3.2 yds/carry 14 longest
29 attempts 80 yards 2.9 yds/carry 7 longest

2 TDS 2 fumbles lost for the last CRITICAL playoffs or NOT
EIGHT GAMES. WHERE WAS YOUR HERO FOOL???

Receiving

7 receptions 73 yards.
2 receptions 6 yards.
2 receptions 16 yards.
1 reception 15 yards.
3 receptions 14 yards.
1 reception 6 yards.
1 reception 11 yards.
0 receptions 0 yards.

Finally when John Riggins asked for the ball he made things
happen, playoffs, superbowls.

When Clinton Porits whines for the ball just the reverse as
his last 8 games reflect.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran’s new column is up on NFLDraftdog.Com

Excerpt:

“I’ll start by doing something very few so-called football draft experts attempt—at least those not affiliated with Vegas Bookies, Pete Rose, or Frank Caliendo.

I will give you actual verified odds I just made up on who the Redskins top pick will be. Odds you can take to the bank. And by bank, I assume your bank is like mine and the Redskins secondary, and hasn’t got two nickels to rub together.”

WWW.tinyurl.com/Corkcolumn

Or

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | April 18, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

priestholmes

You can't only count his last 8 games. That's utterly ridiculous. Don't count his first 92 games.

He has put up insane numbers so far in his career. He isn't in a class with Riggins yet, but at 27 he has a real shot to be.

#26 has outrushed Larry Brown, Stephen Davis, and Terry Allen

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

pHOLMES:

#26 had 47 catches in 2007

and one of the games YOU listed as BAD he had 51 rushing yards and 73 receiving yards, that's 124 all purpose SUCKA

FINE. You HATE Portis. I thought I was talking to a Skins fan.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

priestholmes

You can't only count his last 8 games. That's utterly ridiculous. Don't count his first 92 games.

When someone gets upset because he doesn't get the ball enough. When questions his coach's play calling and decisions in a public forum. Creating a great deal of controversy over it. He had better put up or shut up.

Riggins put his money where his mouth was. And he did it in his 30's not when he was 27. So did Larry Brown.

PORTIS CHOKED when it counted as he always has both in Denver and Washington

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis: FOUR TDs receiving during his entire career. Let's compare him to a peer like Brian Westbook, or even a Brandon Jacobs when it comes to running the ball. Don't look it might be upsetting

2007 was his best year receiving, still ZERO TDs receiving, 1 pass 40+, Only 4 20+. Rushing only 3 20+ in 2007. In 2008 he had 10 rushes over 20 yards in the first eight game. He was miserable, terrible in the last CRITICAL EIGHT games when it really counted.

He is not putting up HOF numbers. Part of getting into the HOF is performing to a level that gets your team into the playoffs, deep into the playoffs. When has he done that? That's what Larry Brown and Riggins did.

He will not get into the HOF. He will be Danny's buddy for life though and have a job with the Redskins.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

FINE. You HATE Portis. I thought I was talking to a Skins fan.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 18, 2009

I've seen Larry Brown and Riggins. Portis does not even come close to putting out the same effort nor in providing the same leadership. I'm ready for Betts.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

When Clinton Porits whines for the ball just the reverse as his last 8 games reflect.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 9:03 PM
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Hey peri, remember when you said the Ravens played the skins before the Steelers did, and I pointed out that you were wrong?

This is another one of those times.

The Steelers wrecked our OL in game 9, along with damaging C.P.'s knee (due to a hairball helmet torpedo).

All too often our offensive plays looked like Custer's last stand, but with the Washington Redskins playing the role of Custer's U.S. Seventh Cavalry.

Our ruined second half of the season was because our O.L. was old and broken down.

Don't hang it on C.P.

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 18, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Our ruined second half of the season was because our O.L. was old and broken down.

Don't hang it on C.P.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 18, 2009

Nope, I think this is case where I think I am right. When they brought in Betts (as they should because he was injured and run down and yes I am one of the biggest proponents for revamping the OL) his attitude in public continued to be that it was because he wasn't being used or used properly. In other words it wasn't his injuries or the OL it was Zorn.

He was unwilling to share time with Betts as he should at this point in his career. And because he is the owner's favorite player ... well??? What happened was 2 wins 6 losses.

So, I think they should draft Andre Smith. And play him at left tackle moving Samuels to right tackle to extend his career. Smith is an animal, a beast in the running game. If we are stuck with a Portis, running him into the ground again might as well give it some chance of success

Posted by: priestholmes | April 19, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Portis is great, best player on the team. I've seen Riggo and Brown play. Neither of those guys put up numbers like Portis in their first 7 seasons. I'm going to enjoy watching a GREAT RB again this year.

I will enjoy watching Portis pass 10,000 yards this year. Oh, running left behind Samuels and Dockery, oh.

Some fans only understand breakaway runs. I like to see 4 yards a carry and pop a 10 here and there, that's what the game is about. Especially in the NFC East.

Some fans egos will be hurt when Portis succeeds, not mine. I will enjoy another 300 4 yards carries next season.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I hope Betts can stay healthy next year. Portis endured more than 1 man can handle last year.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Betts got hurt.

I agree we should get Andre Smith. I hope he gets a jaywalking ticket or something, and his stock drops to #13.

we're stuck with our Pro Bowl tailback......good. Our running game was sick last year 6th in the league. Your just mad we didn't win. Cooley fumbled too are you going to blame him? How about Moss let's blame Moss. Let's blame Campbell. Blame everyone that's worth a damn on the whole team......brilliant.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Listen folks, our D has been seriously upgraded with the signing of Haynesworth, and I believe Phillips/Wynn with Wilson on pass rushing downs will be a better LE team than JT was last year. To do better next year, our O MUST do better, and the unanimous judgement has been we need two things for that to happen, one of our #2 pick receivers from last year has to step up, and we need an upgrade at RT. There will definitely be a top 20 value OT available at 13, if not one of the top 4, then certainly Britton, whom every analyst says will be a top NFL OT. Thats our pick, OT. Period.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 19, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

It seems as though 30 is the magic number lately when it comes to feature running backs and age. As in, after they turn 30 the magic starts to go. Betts will turn 30 in August and Portis turns 28 in September.

Portis has a lot more mileage on him, so it seems inevitable that it's gonna catch up to him pretty soon. He's been battling injuries the last few years. You can see the same thing happening to LT. The NFL is not kind.

Next years draft or maybe the 2011 draft, we are going to have to make a decision about that.

of course, building a dominant O line would certainly help here....

Posted by: edvar | April 19, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Portis is great, best player on the team. I've seen Riggo and Brown play. Neither of those guys put up numbers like Portis in their first 7 seasons. I'm going to enjoy watching a GREAT RB again this year.

I will enjoy watching Portis pass 10,000 yards this year. Oh, running left behind Samuels and Dockery, oh.

Doesn't mean doodly squat if your team is losing. But to Portis it does. No he is not the best guy on the team. Right now according to ESPN's rankings its Haynesworth. So, kid you are wrong again, at least according to the experts.

Portis is ranked 3rd with an 81 after Haynesworth and Hall.

we're stuck with our Pro Bowl tailback......good. Our running game was sick last year 6th in the league. Your just mad we didn't win. Cooley fumbled too are you going to blame him? How about Moss let's blame Moss. Let's blame Campbell. Blame everyone that's worth a damn on the whole team......brilliant.

Did they open their mouth to blame Portis? And he should have been blamed!!! He has to accept some of the responsibility for the debacle that led to 2-6. But, no PORTIS YOUR frekin hero blames the OL, he blames the coach for not playing him or using him properly. Everyone but CP himself. He is a loser kid

Posted by: priestholmes | April 19, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

PORTIS needs to go. He is the reason that Campbell has been disrespected as he has been ... as much as the OL. Draft another RB? Yeah sure when the owner has a man crush on him like that idiot kid p-brain or whatever ... can't see reality ... maybe he is actually Snyder ... :)

I don't think we'll see a new running back unless Snyder cedes control of the team to a new coach next year.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 19, 2009 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I've seen Riggo and Brown play. Neither of those guys put up numbers like Portis in their first 7 seasons. I'm going to enjoy watching a GREAT RB again this year.

Now you are lying. You haven't seen them play. You didn't see Larry Brown carry an entire team to the superbowl on his legs. Kilmer's arm sure wasn't up to it.

Riggins did the same ... Theisman was scatter-armed as well. Both under Pardee and Gibbs Riggins was the key to that team winning.

You cannot say that about Portis. That is why Campbell gets blamed. Campbell is the type that may someday be HOF not Portis. Unfortunately, a part of that is luck. So far his hasn't been all that good.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 19, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

*yawn*

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 19, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Okay, I have to weigh in. Portis is a very good running back. I don't see how anyone can question his effort (on gameday...practice is another question but as we know Riggo wasn't the biggest guy for practice either). The reason he hasn't caused a lot of damage in the passing game is because he is used so much in the pass blocking game. He is excellent at picking up the blitz and this is pointed out almost weekly by commentators and other such "experts." If he wasn't needed as much here he would catch more passes as he did in his second year in Saunders' system.

Is he a home run threat anymore? No, but neither was Byner or Terry Allen when they were here. I would rate Portis at least as high as both of them if not higher at this point in his career. The reason for his sharp decline in the second half last year had more to do with overuse, the Line breaking down and a lack of a passing game than a lack of vision, speed, heart or other such musts in a good running back.

Portis is a good running back, not the best, not the worst, but a good back. He'd be best served to split time with Betts this year. He has more mileage on him than a normal back of his age but if the FO does the right thing and gets him a new tackle, this team has a shot (if healthy) at 9-10 wins.

Posted by: atari1317 | April 19, 2009 4:44 AM | Report abuse

*yawn*

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 19, 2009 2:00 AM

I 2nd...

Never argue with the priest....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 19, 2009 5:42 AM | Report abuse

Never argue with the priest....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 19, 2009 5:42 AM

Never listen to the priest's gospel, not even on Sunday. If this is the priest, I'm an athiest.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 6:44 AM | Report abuse

"No, but neither was Byner or Terry Allen when they were here. I would rate Portis at least as high as both of them if not higher at this point in his career."

I hadn't thought of that, but those are actually good comparisons. Like you say, neither was a home run back, but both were extremely productive in a run-first offense. Byner also a superb blocker and receiver, and Allen probably the best as bleeding yards through the interior since I don't know when.

It also occurred to me that the Gibbs-era Skins always had some trouble with short-yardeage situations. I never could figure out why they'd have such trouble picking up a third or fourth and one. Even with somebody like Riggins or Gerald Riggs back there... anyway, it's a mystery. Easy to understand why the Jints coaches love Brandon Jacobs.


Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Never argue with the priest....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 19, 2009 5:42 AM
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But...

Someone is WRONG on the internet!1!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

The problem with this team is simple. The Redskins need to build around a mean, nasty, punch you in the mouth mentality. Teams like Pittsburgh and Baltimore are built like that. We're not supposed to be a pretty finesse team. In this division, having an o-line that will come hard and play nasty, will make a big difference. When ST was hear he put fear in opposing offenses. That's the mentality we need on our offensive line. All this let's get the next golden boy quarterback or flashy wide receivers works great for Madden, but football is football. This team needs to stop trying to be this Disney corporate team and get back to the rugged and raw mentality that earned 3 superbowls.

Posted by: noluvdr | April 19, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

But...

Someone is WRONG on the internet!1!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 8:39 AM

Classic!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 19, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Realskins Report Premeiring tonight.

All the current topics and up to the date news of your favorite sports team with the most hated owner.......

Stay tuned...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 19, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

My take is that Portis is a good back, one of the top backs in the league, but Portis has been misused. Clinton Portis is 5'10", 200LB. and we try to smash him between the tackles 30 times a game. The problem is that when Portis is not the featured piece of the offense, he complains and panders to the media about why he's on the sidelines. I don't think this offense will ever maximize it's potential with Portis carrying the ball 30 times a game.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Seahawks will take Mark Sanchez at #4.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Seahawks will take Mark Sanchez at #4.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 9:46 AM |
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All Praise His Noodly Appendage!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

thunder--Two good ones! Love it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that the Seahawks will take Mark Sanchez at #4.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 9:46 AM

How could they be taking Sanchez? Show me a mock draft that has them taking Sanchez.

More likely this means that they've finally figured out that they can get multiple Redskins picks for multiple years by posturing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

te-

Mel Kiper was talking about this on ESPN radio yesterday and most now think that Sanchez will be gone by #13.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

TE-

Go to www.espn.com and click on NFL.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Here's the Tacoma paper on Seattle's pick:

"Several draft experts now have the Seahawks selecting Sanchez with the No. 4 overall pick. [GM] Ruskell said the Seahawks have their top four players pegged – although the organization is still debating the order – and that the Seahawks have not come to terms on who they will select at No. 4.

Seattle’s general manager again reiterated he still intends to take the player that will bring the most immediate impact – except if the Seahawks select a quarterback such as Sanchez.

“That philosophy will never change, but obviously if it’s quarterback, that’s the exception for anybody who would take one because that guy’s got to be groomed,” Ruskell said.

Ruskell did acknowledge the situations that led to the success of Atlanta’s Matt Ryan (third overall in 2008 draft) and Baltimore’s Joe Flacco (18th overall), both first-round picks who helped lead their teams to the playoffs.

“In the case of the two guys last year, they were willing to adapt the scheme to help the guy,” Ruskell said. “In Atlanta’s case, they got the running game going, and they didn’t try to make the quarterback win the football game. So they didn’t put him in a position where he had to be a franchise guy right off the bat and he was able to develop. And really, Baltimore did the same thing.”

So if Seattle doesn’t select Sanchez, will they take a quarterback later in the draft? Maybe.“We’re not afraid of taking a quarterback,” Ruskell said. “There’s no position that we’re sitting on absolutely, and that’s kind of unique. And I think when you’re up this high, you can’t. You cannot do that."

Posted by: Samson151 | April 19, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

More likely this means that they've finally figured out that they can get multiple Redskins picks for multiple years by posturing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 10:29 AM
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That'd be my fear.

Article at Seahawks.com:

The Seahawks could trade out of the No. 4 pick, but have yet to flush out a partner.

“Those of us at the top don't sense that we're going down,” Ruskell said. “The phone's not ringing off the hook for that.”

A quick scan of eight cyberspace mocks has the Seahawks selecting one of six players.

It's USC quarterback Mark Sanchez (Rob Rang at NFLDraftScout.com, Todd McShay at ESPN.com and Don Banks at SI.com)...

Or else they could just be cranking that bait through the water, sure there's a largemouth Snyder down there, just waiting to be reeled in and landed.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

In the end Portis performance matters ... for the QB and the coaching staff. They appear to be under an ultimatum from Snidely Owl to win or else. They feature a back who might make consistent yardage on the ground with an improved offensive line. They have a quarterback who could make that quantum leap to elite status with an improved offensive line. The owner's favorite player probably is Portis. Yet the offensive line probably is the worst in the BEAST. Why won't the GM-owner improve the offensive line and give his running back, his coaching staff the tools they need to win next year?

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

TE-

Go to www.espn.com and click on NFL.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 19, 2009 10:41 AM

Look, I realize there's a lot of stuff on ESPN.com, but here's what I found from Mike Sando:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-8-655/Mailbag--Seahawks-and-Sanchez-revisited.html

I do think Seattle needs to at least consider a quarterback at No. 4, if available. How many times does Seattle expect to draft this early? Might as well take a quarterback now while you have the chance to get a highly rated one.

It's a tempting thought, but I'm not convinced it's the most likely option.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Have to assume that Snyder and Cerrato have canvassed the teams close to the top like the Rams, Seahawks, KC about what it would take to move up. Given Snyder's track record this has likely been done mostly through draft picks's agents. You'd have to guess that most of the sensible teams are looking for picks this year in order to improve this year. Possibly players. [Have to wonder if Cooley's tell-all video where he mentions his meniscus issue multiple times was done intentionally to chase away trade interest?)

At the same time the cooler heads in the FO and coaching staff have likely been lobbying Snyder to stay "medium". Stick with the plan (what plan?) and use the picks they have precluding any splashy trades. Fat chance of that happening on draft day unless Snyder is kidnapped by coaches disguised as Sandanista Nationalists, drugged and then left at a local 7-Eleven after the draft is done.

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse


But...
Someone is WRONG on the internet!
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009

Yes you do seem to enjoy correcting my mistakes at some
very late hours east coast wise ... :)

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Matt Mosley is probably right: (Now they just need to draft a rusher to go with pass catching Westbrook)

With Friday's trade for left tackle Jason Peters, the Eagles now have all five of their projected starting linemen signed through at least 2013. Here's some helpful analysis from the Daily News regarding the Eagles' offensive line heading into the '09 season.

No matter what you think of the Eagles, you have to admit that this line should be vastly improved. I don't think Stacy Andrews is a huge upgrade over the courageous Jon Runyan at right tackle, but the addition of Peters and the return of Shawn Andrews make this a group to be reckoned with. Cowboys fans were extremely hostile toward me (via text) Friday when I said that Peters' arrival could "change the landscape" of the NFC East. But I'm sticking to my guns.

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Todd McShay is a shame....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 19, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It's a dirty job, peri.

But someone's gotta do it!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009

Yes you do seem to enjoy correcting my mistakes at some
very late hours east coast wise ... :)

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 11:35 AM

He enjoys correcting everyone's errors at whatever hour. Too bad for him that we make so few!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider:

"Where facts go to die™"
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Expect Ray Ray in Washington Bro
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 18, 2009

Stupid kid on blog yawnnnnn ...

Ray Ray is not coming to Wasington. He runs a 4.65 40. He is too slow to play OLB. He could play MLB after Fletcher retires.

Kiper has Washington taking Sanchez at #13. I guess you don't follow this blog. There have been at least 3-4 postings ad nauseum about Snyder's infatuation with Sanchez as a franchise QB. Although Kiper doesn't see Sanchez falling to 13 he does seem to predict that somehow, someway Snyder will get him just as he tried with Cutler ...

And Cutler almost got lost between here and the Rocky Mountains now didn't he?

Idiot kid

Posted by: priestholmes | April 18, 2009 8:18 PM


ray maulaluga is fast period. 40 times are so overrated these days. Do you know what jerry rice's 40 time was 4.7 , correct me if im wrong but maulauga's 40 time is faster.

Whose the idiot now?


Posted by: redskinsfan01 | April 19, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

ray maulaluga is fast period. 40 times are so overrated these days. Do you know what jerry rice's 40 time was 4.7 , correct me if im wrong but maulauga's 40 time is faster.

Whose the idiot now?

Ummm I think you are dude. That's about what James Thrash runs. Are you going to tell me that he is a premier receiver? Most OL now-a-days run anywhere from 4.7 to 5.2. Backs and receivers are mostly in the 4.4 and below. So are tight ends. It means he can't really cover anyone. But Maulaga could play MLB and even be all-pro that is true. But not OLB, at least not well.

The NFL is a lot faster than when Jerry Rice came into the league. A LOT FASTER.


Posted by: redskinsfan01 | April 19, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider.

Where facts come to die!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 18, 2009 8:18 AM |

Really? I seem to recall seeing the fact that Jason Peters led the league in sacks allowed posted on RI and then the Eagles pulled a Bears and chased after the dude like a crack addict that craves a hit. Also, I seem to recall seeing the fact that the Falcons built a good OL out of also rans posted on RI and then seeing all this crapola about how the Skins need to burn their 13 on an OT in order to rebuild their OL. Facts live here as well if you're not wearing blinders.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 19, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to burn their 13 on an OT in order to rebuild their OL. Facts live here as well if you're not wearing blinders.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 19, 2009

FACT: Atlanta used the 20081st rounder traded to them by the Skins for their starting left tackle last year. Sam Baker,

FACT: In 2008 Miami used the very first pick in the draft on an OT named Jake Long.

FACT: The Eagles, Giants, and Cowboys have far superior and younger OL's than the Redskins. Dallas and Philly now have 4 out of the top 5 OL in the league.

FACT: Derrick Dockery was 2nd in sacks allowed at the guard position yet is still highly regarded.

FACT: Casey Rabach allowed the most sacks from the center position last year yet is considered the 3rd best lineman after Samuels and newly acquired Dockery

YES. DRAFT AN OT at #13 as they should have last year. DRAFT the guy who WANTS TO BE CHRIS SAMUELS, even went to the same school. Andre Smith.

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Also, I seem to recall seeing the fact that the Falcons built a good OL out of also rans posted on RI and then seeing all this crapola about how the Skins need to burn their 13 on an OT in order to rebuild their OL. Facts live here as well if you're not wearing blinders.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 19, 2009 1:28 PM
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I seem to recall that Matt Cassel was drafted by the New England Patriots in the seventh round of the 2005 NFL Draft. Using AntonLogic, why should a team waste a high pick on a QB?

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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

'Tweeners at OLB and DE ain't all bad- look at Dwight Freeman and the late Derrick in KC. If Orakpo can generate sacks like that, then he'd be more than worth it..But solidifying the O-line remains a huge priority..

Posted by: frak | April 19, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

There is not a single O-lineman in the NFl that runs a legit 4.7...that is just crazy talk man

But I digress...I do not think that we are going to be picking at 13 - either we will trade up in an asanine attempt to get Sanchez or (hopefully) Zorn and fellow conspirators will dose Danny/Vinny like the A-Team used to be to BA Baracus and, with the brain trust out of commission, trade back and get an OT and LB in the 2nd round. It could happen, right??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 19, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, LMG...

Cleveland - Sources have told 19 Action News the Browns will either take USC quarterback Mark Sanchez or Texas Tech wide receiver Michael Crabtree. The Browns have the fifth pick in next week’s NFL Draft.

Is it just me being paranoid, or have we gone from seeing Sanchez perhaps making it into the top 10 only because of San Fran at number 10, or has something changed in the last 2 weeks?

Something changed =

1) Danny develops mancrush on Matt Sanchez, runs around displaying all the poker face of a little kid in a candy store.

2) The teams with top 10 picks who had previously been moaning about how hard it is to trade down from the top 10 are all now: WE'RE TAKING SANCHEZ!11one!

C.f. (from a post at the linked article):

Total smokescreen. By mentioning Sanchez, the Browns try to find someone willing to give up a fortune in draft picks for the right to draft a potential franchise QB.

I earlier compared Danny to a largemouth bass. However, there must also be a large component of suckerfish involved in the Danny's DNA.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 19, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Oh sorry he's the 3rd best on the team HUGE MISTAKE by me. Haynesworth hasn't taken a snap yet you goof. And, Hall has played what, 6 games for us.

So until those guys have a solid SEASON for us , Portis is the best player on the team.

That's fine you don't like Portis maybe he is a jerk, but he's putting up HOF numbers so far.

FACT, fool. FACT, kid.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 19, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith is a brick wall with legs. No one, not even those pegged to go higher, has his potential. I saw him play once live, at a fairly great distance, and he still stood out, even on the line where my eyes tend to drift from. Watch him on Youtube and you will see how his upper torso is as a five-foot square housing unit beyond which nothing can pass. It is his attitude which has him maybe sliding to the Skins at 13. That is a red flag, to be sure, but with proper VETTING, interviews, work-out, etc., by Bugues he may turn out to be the best pick at 13. Orakpo looks great, too, however, I have to say that his 50-pound weight/muscle gain from his freshman year to now scares me. The 'before' and 'after' picks are reminiscent of Bonds. I don't want to start any rumors, he also works and trains hard as 'ell, no doubt, but personally it it is something of a flag. I like Oher, but Smith is more imposing, as any quick look at the film readily shows. #13 is too early for Rey, who benefited from playing with another first and likely 4-5 fifth rounder. He could be a consideration if the Skins trade down. I'm happy as long as we go muscle rather than speed, trenches rather than skilled

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 19, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 19, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Andre Smith is a brick wall with legs.

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 19, 2009 3:34 PM

a brick wall with legs and floppy boobs. Don't forget about the moobs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 19, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Frak, 2 comments re: yours...

[1] Of course there have been tweeners that have been great, you're naming two of the best ever (at least Derrick, who is HOF I think) to make your case... but guys like D+D are few and far between (NPI).

[2] The key thing here is that context for my previous statement was STRONG-SIDE DE, not the weak side, where tweeners can do just fine. I'm no expert on Derrick and Dwight, but don't/didn't they usually line up on the weak side? Totally different deal there. And this is why the trade for JT (especially giving a # 2) to replace Phillip Daniels made no sense (almost like Vinny and Danny don't know football... hmmm), they're 2 different animals.

And if our strong-side DE isn't big/strong enough, and can be stopped or mauled with just one guy (the RT), it also allows the opponents O-line to shift manpower (like the TE) to the other side if/when they want.

If we go for strong-side DE, let's get a big beast!

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 19, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Really, T_E, did you have to bring it up? I don't want to have to think about the fl'moobs.

Anyway, fl'moobs talk is all academic unless the Skins move up to get him. He won't be available at 13.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 19, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

That's fine you don't like Portis maybe he is a jerk, but he's putting up HOF numbers so far.

FACT, fool. FACT, kid

FACTs for IDIOT KIDS: LT LaDamian Tomlinson is described on ESPN and elsewhere as a future hall of famer. He is ranked 94 while Clinton Portis is ranked 81. Portis will be compared with Tomlinson when its time for HOF selection. If we were to choose I think most would pick LT. Porits is an average back, as much because of his attitude and lack of leading teams through the playoffs. Portis is a POOR playoff RB. In other words NOT HOF FOOL!

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, fl'moobs talk is all academic unless the Skins move up to get him. He won't be available at 13.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 19, 2009

He's what they need to continue to be competitive in the BEAST. All of which have younger improved OL's.

Look at it this way, the guy who invented the concept of an Orapko, Bill Parcells, while he was with the Giants and had the original LT (Lawrence Taylor) selected a left tackle with the very first pick in last years draft, in his first year in charge of that franchise. Parcells IS A DEFENSE guy.

What does that tell you?

Posted by: periculum | April 19, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Who's arguing against prioritizing OT and O-line? That's what I want the Skins to focus on in this draft. I said fl'moobs won't be available at 13...

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Helle Skins fans.. I know some of you wanted to how Kelly is doing... Below is the latest interview from him...

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/15/malcolm-kelly-is-all-business/#continued

Posted by: capitolteacher | April 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

There is no comparison. Orakpo all the way. He's a relative beast. The Combine version of Ayers has me wondering if he'll even get playing time in the NFL. I like a tweener if he's got spirit and drive. That can be undervalued in the NFL draft. Orakpo is a good bit faster than Ayers and this may be Ayers one strength. Orakpo also has 10 full inches more in vertical leap.
The 225 LB. bench has always thrown me. I was a 16 yr old who stoped growing just shy of 6 foot. But I would warm up with a set of 10 at 225. I was kind of pumped to reach that point, with two large plates on each side to warm up. Orakpo gets raves for 31 reps, OK.... But Ayers only did 18 reps at the combine! I picture myself at 16 years of age walking in and possibly doing more.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather compare Orakpo vs. Michael Johnson. There numbers are really pretty similar, which says a lot for Johnson's athletic ability. Though he reminds me a lot of Jason Taylor. Getting a young, pre-defensive MVP Taylor can't be all bad. There is an off chance that a healthy Taylor could still play. But the two both seem to swing for the fences. Did they get the first step? Will they be able to do a sack dance? or audition for dancing with the republicans? If not they seem to take up space on the field. At that moment you wish for a "Rudy" type.

There were times when I would have wanted Adam Archuleta back so he could play instead of Taylor. Maybe Johnson wouldn't be a good fit for the Redskins: too many bad memories. But dang if Johnson's numbers aren't sexy. 6'7" with speed and strength... We could give him to Zorn and Campbell as another big reciever. The passes he COULD catch might make up for the ones he'd drop.

But still: he's young, with a young motor, reach and verticle jump. Imagine all the batted passes. Still, putting a lineman on his heals, is something Taylor COULD do but, it never appealed to him. If we could trade down for a late 1 and 2, or pair of 2s. I wouldn't cry about picking Johnson. There is still hope and excitment. But don't women do that too often? Marry a guy expecting to change him?

Posted by: chavez66 | April 20, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, there's a lot of fine talk here about who's the best on the team and who's the best in the draft but none of it means squat because of who is the worst front office tandem in the league: Vinny and Dan.

The fact that Vinny still has a job makes me nervous as to what he actually does for Danny boy.

People, Vinny is the 'protege' of Charley Casserly! The guy who gave us 1st rounder Desmond Howard, a small receiver to complement our other two Super Bowl champion small receivers, Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders. He's the guy who gave us top pick Congressman Heath Shuler and then top pick Colorado wide reciever whose name I forget because he was such a bust, based on one great catch in college--to help out Heath! I mean it took idiot Coach Mike Ditka to throw us seven draft picks so that we could get Chris Samuels.

Charley was the guy who passed on Simeon Rice--twice!! Once in the draft and once in free agency. The last 'Skin to sack a QB on a consistent level couldn't read his own name on the draft board--Dexter Manley.

And what does Vinny do? Drafts safeties with his first pick two out of three years?

I will pick anyone of you to run a better draft than Vinny and Dan. It's a miracle that we're even competetive given the incompetence of our front office.

Can't Bobby Beathard write a book and hand it to these guys? Please.

Anyway, I'm with the OL camp, there are strong players at LB, DE, RB and WR in later rounds. Jerry Reese will show them to you when he gets them.

I still love the 'Skins. So painful.

Posted by: wiggintom | April 21, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I am a person from the future. I came in my teleporter and am from the year 2089. I remember back in history that Daniel Snyder has traded away our draft picks in every year until 2052 when he sold the team due to old age. We never won a super bowl under his ownership and became the team that the superbowl champs, the Detroit Lions used to be, a laughing stock, the celler dwellers. So I had to come back to the past year 2009 to let you all know that we had a terrible history. Oh, by the way, Joe Gibbs granson owns the team now and has a winning record like his grandfather did. I have to go, the teleporter is warming up! Peace be with you!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 23, 2009 6:40 AM | Report abuse

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