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OTA Ramblings


Rookie head coach Jim Zorn caught people by surprise by choosing not to use one of his allotted mini camps, having no bed check or curfew for rookies during mandatory mini camp and holding no team activities prior to the draft (opting not to evaluate any existing talent within his new system before filling out the roster via the college ranks). The way the Redskins are utilizing their OTA days is unusual too, and a dramatic departure from the way it was done under Coach Joe (that's Nascar Joe Jackson Gibbs for the newcomers out there).

There has definitely been some chatter among players and coaches at Redskins Park about the recently concluded mini-camp/start of OTAs. The Redskins had essentially done nothing all offseason save for the workout program and the quarterbacks throwing some to the receivers, then hit the field for 6 straight days - highly unusual even for the dogdays of training camp - and conducted 8 practices in that span. Again, very unlike the past and how most teams do it.

The Redskins are in general trying to avoid the muscle strains that were so common in 2007, and thus skipping a mini camp and using just 11 OTA days is aimed at limiting the offseason attrition. But it's how Zorn has divided up his sessions that has some puzzled. Clinton Portis, Jason Campbell and Antwaan Randle-El all suffered ouchies during the just completed sessions, and privately some inside the building are wondering if it may have been unwise to stack so many practices together without any respite in between (like rather maybe going 3 straight days, taking a day off, then going 3 more).

Spoke to some veterans who said the number of reps they got overall during the mini camp was not too harsh and about normal, but going for six straight days certainly struck some as odd. Gibbs, as you all remember, was fanatical about the offseason regimen, meeting with players to gauge what made sense to them, altering the program each year, conducting medical studies to see if certain routines seemed to work best to prevent injuries.

Over the last two years of his regime things were cut back in the offseason, and after studying different programs Gibbs and his staff decided that they would never go more than three straight days of OTAs, and wanted to build in at least two recovery days in between those clusters, according to team sources. That philosophy is obviously out the window.

The Cerrato Skins went 6 straight days as we mentioned, and then take a prolonged break from on-field activities, off from May 7 to June 2. However, when they reconvene for the final 8 OTA sessions they will be practicing 8 times in an 11-day span.

The Redskins will practice four days in a row each of the first two weeks in June. In the past the Skins would use 3 OTA days per week for four straight weeks, in the end deciding that Tues-Thurs each week made the most sense. I spoke to officials with other teams that are also using 4 OTA days within a week, but in general those clubs will not go four straight days, instead practicing on consecutive days, then taking a day off, before going twice more to finish the week.

No one way to skin this cat, but the Skins' schedule is unusual, with the large break between sessions, starting as late as they did and for the quantity of practices in a condensed period of time. With so much effort being put into avoid groin and hamstring problems, and given some of the overt depth issues at some positions, the rest of the staff will be watching closely to see how the players come through the next round of OTAs.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 14, 2008; 7:25 AM ET
 
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Comments

Delighted.

Posted by: Jimmy | May 14, 2008 7:53 AM | Report abuse

So an entire post pointing out the differences between Gibbs and Zorn's OTA schedule? Whew, we truly are bored aren't we JLC?

Posted by: MIA in Miami | May 14, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Damn it! Third!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 14, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

MIA;

What else would we talk about? I must admit, i havent liked the wierd way in which he was hired, having to create his playbook, staff and scout during a 4 month period.

For a rook headcoach it seems like a lot. Hopefully he can lean on the vets for some help etc..

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | May 14, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Crap. I hate that Zorn has stacked up the OTAs in an unusual manner. Well, hopefully we can still make the playoffs in 2010.

Posted by: MeSoZorny | May 14, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

And....here we go again. Find something else to talk about!! Comical the complex teh "insider" has with the front office!!
Of course if I was 4 11, I'd have complexes too!

Posted by: Dan is taller than me! | May 14, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"The Cerrato Skins"

Are you saying that Cerrato set the OTA schedule and not Zorn or just taking a general shot at the Redskins? Is there any other beat reporter who roots harder against his assigned team?

Posted by: PB | May 14, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

As usual the 'haters' seem to want to view this through ugly-colo(u)red glasses.

There's no opinion on this approach to OTAs from Jasno - either positive or negative - just a statement of the fact that it's a different way to how the rest of the league does it and different to how the Skins did it in the past.

Some people have too much time on their hands, maybe they should go lurk at The Fix.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 14, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

This seems a bit of a stretch to hate on. Theyre professional athletes, theyll be ready by week 1.

Posted by: rmur23 | May 14, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I think I will say BEEP BEEP since this is not the latest post

move to the other one before your comments are lost@

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I think you beeped the wrong one Z, this IS the later of the two.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 14, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

you would think so when clicking on the top OTA RAMBLINGS in the list. But up above, it has a NEXT THREAD as the other one. That is what I am going with in terms of which is newer

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Interesting, they're both timed the same though. Oh well, I guess it will be whatever it will be! I don't see any posting going on over on the other thread though.

Posted by: Redcoat | May 14, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

We now have a Loc on BARNO

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Barno, Md.: Who would you rank No. 1 among NBA basketball color analysts? For my money, the guy who dissects a game best has got to be Hubie Brown. The man is 74 years old, and yet he sees the action as well as anyone out there. Thoughts?

Michael Wilbon: For me, Doug Collins and Hubie Brown...There are a ton of good NBA analysts because they're candid...I love listening to Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy and my partners, Bill Walton and Jon Barry...But Collins and Brown are Hall of Famers with a microphone...I have the added benefit of getting to have dinners on the road with each of them...They're story-tellers who played and coached at the highest levels and are not full of themselves and can criticize without ridicule...They're just so damn good at explaining the game and opening up your head to what's happening and what might happen and should happen next.

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought Barno didn't like Wilbon?

Posted by: Redcoat | May 14, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"The Cerrato Skins"

Are you saying that Cerrato set the OTA schedule and not Zorn or just taking a general shot at the Redskins? Is there any other beat reporter who roots harder against his assigned team?

Posted by: PB | May 14, 2008 8:48 AM
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Is this a serious post? JLC hates the Redskins because he referred to this team as "The Cerrato Skins?" It's absolutely incredible how far some people will go to serve their own "agendas" against an unfavorable beat reporter.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I dont know BARNO's preferences. Maybe its not him, but I didnt know there was a BARNO MD, so at least we know thats where he is.

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I think this was good reporting. He simply pointed out that the Skins OTA schedule is unique. If there are no serious injuries than Zorn looks great. If they start dropping like flies this could be a mistake by Zorn.

The comment about "Ceratto Skins" doesn't bother me. He is just pointing out who is in charge. Isn't it a fact that Ceratto is in charge versus the Gibb's Skins of last year. You are assuming it is meant as a slam. Even if it were meant as a slam I still wouldn't mind they way those two knuckle head (Dan and my cousin Vinny) run the team.

We really are just talking about pracitice. Practice?

Posted by: Practice? | May 14, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse


It's good reporting but there's seems to be a lot of comparisons (sometimes necessary) to the Gibbs regime. At a certain point, it becomes attacking the current regime. This team didn't really produce that well for Gibbs, so the more practice time they have, the better. These guys don't seem to be that bright as well I hate to say. Al Saunders and Williams kept having to simplify things for these players. Both of these coaches had great success in their previous stints in terms of coaching their side of the ball well. Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls and couldn't get these guys to win consistently.

Posted by: Azyn247 | May 14, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

The post was a waste.

It's a new coach and a new way of doing things.

Move on.

Posted by: pinkypoo | May 14, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Is it true that Billy Mays will soon be featured in an Eastern Motors Ad????

Posted by: Southside Jerome | May 14, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

i wish there was something more to talk about than the OTA schedule but atleast theres something.

I don't fault jasno for anything he said in the article. some seem to be complaining about bias here but i dont see any.

what i do find "fault" with is that he made no effort to understand or explain WHY zorn might be doing it this way. jasno took the effort to call other teams to find out what they do... why not call the skins to find out why they are doing it this way? why not do some research and find out if this is the way seattle did it? isnt byner the runningbacks coach out there now? if so, his one and only source for information the past few years could probably give him a scoop.

I realize this is just a blog and not an actual paper article, but it seems like jasno did alot of work to make a point that the skins are doing something different from last year and what most other teams do. the impression i get from the blog is that the schedule may likely lead to MORE injuries for our players in the offseason. there must be a reason WHY the skins did the schedule this way. i want to know what it is. it would have been nice for jasno to do a little extra legwork to give us the answer. maybe he will do so in a followup.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 14, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

It's good reporting but there's seems to be a lot of comparisons (sometimes necessary) to the Gibbs regime. At a certain point, it becomes attacking the current regime.

Posted by: Azyn247 | May 14, 2008 9:39 AM

It's not attacking the regime. This is a rookie head coach with no experience leading a team. He hasn't even led an offense before. The comparisons to Gibbs, one of the greatest coaches of all-time, are completely valid, especially considering he just retired and Zorn is taking his spot. There is not one attack in the entire post, just questions. Until Zorn has proved that he knows what he is doing, these questions SHOULD be raised, and his every move SHOULD be analyzed so as to make a proper judgment when the final product comes.

Posted by: el diablo | May 14, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

6 days of work in a row. how will they manage???

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

It might be interesting to ask Zorn about these changes.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 14, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The Jim Zorn Era is going to be a complete disaster.

Posted by: Jimmy Tango | May 14, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Yes, let us compare Zorn to a Gibbs 2.0 which was a huge disappoint and nothing more than a way to for Danny to make some money.

Gibbs was obviously doing it right!

Posted by: SteveD | May 14, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

People Jasno can not ask the Skins because he has no insider at Redskins park anymore. Who cares how Gibbs did things it obviously did not work this time around. Gibbs let Portis do whatever he wanted last year and Portis was not fully ready to play until around week 9. Work them as hard as you can they need it. I which I only had to work 6 days and the get a month off.

Posted by: kmdp4 | May 14, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad there is a difference. If they were doing the same things as in 2007 with all the "muscle strains that were so common" i'd be concerned.

The training and conditioning program needed a major change. If a professional athlete can't go 4 days of hard work, then they are out of shape and have not worked hard enough on their own in the offseason

Posted by: Paul S. | May 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Why you calling it "Cerrato Skins"? Why not the "Zorn Skins"? Usually it's the head coach that people associate a team with. Like the Dungy Colts or the Percells Cowboys or the Bellicik Patriots. You hardly hear a GM getting such honor.

We know the Cerrato has had mediocre track record with the skins. So calling the team "Cerrato Skins" is taking a swipe at the team.

Now, I appreciate what you do Jasno, because I want to get my hands on all Skins related news. Hence I come here. Although technically it's a blog, it has become the main source of redskins related information. IMO your opinion/reporting has a constant negative tone towards the skins and
I'd appreciate if you just covered the team and not reduce the amount to teasing towards the skins. We get enough of those from the Cowboys, Eagles, and Giants fan in the area.

Anyway that's my 2 cents.

Posted by: TC | May 14, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

TMZ has learned that the romance between Jessica Simpson and hotshot QB Tony Romo is as dead as the Cowboys' 2007 playoff run.

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Reaction?

Posted by: Chia Pet | May 14, 2008 1:51 AM


I think that it's no coincidence that this happens right after Romo's "performance" at Wrigley.

Posted by: 81 | May 14, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I have 3 tix to the HOF cremony (aisle seats on the field).

There is a good chance I won't go to the ceremony for personal reasons. So, be prepared to hit me up in June. That's when they start mailing out the tix........

Posted by: 4th | May 13, 2008 5:01 PM


Thanks for the offer, 4th. I've got some ceremony tix already actually though. Just looking for the HOF Game ones now. The ticket site says "Our allotment of tickets are currently sold.--Please continue to check back for availability." So I don't really know if that means more will be available later, but I figured someone up in here might have some info.

Been a real long while since I've been up to Canton. No better time than this year, I guess.

Posted by: 81 | May 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Look at it this way. when we start pursuing Cowher in October, all of this will be a distant memory.

Posted by: Jim Cee | May 14, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Portis also played in all 16 games last year. And if I'm not mistaken, Portis did miss a training session or two already this year. And Gibbs also took this team from perennial bottom-dwellers to the playoffs twice in 4 years. And I'm betting 90% of the posters here have never been through a training camp before. So you have no idea how much one day of rest in-between grueling sessions can help keep the body and mind fresh. This entire post is legitimate, though it would be nice to hear Zorn's reasoning behind the schedule.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

What is it with this guy? He constantly reports jibba jabba that is not news and then it is a negative spin. when real news happens it is on espn and every other network before we have it as "insiders". Terrible just Terrible. As I recall the adjusting of OTA's and Minicamp for coach Joe did not work, if I recall we actually had more injuries the last two years than in the first two.
Beat reporter sucks-the only inside news he has is about meet ups at nationals games, DJ's, The wire, and happy hour

Posted by: Great One | May 14, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Is there anything funnier than career desk jockeys (myself included) pontificating on what is an acceptable amount of work for a pro football player?!?!?!?!

Your job/work stamina....not really analogous to NFL training camp.....

Posted by: chris Larry | May 14, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

"privately some inside the building are wondering if it may have been unwise to stack so many practices together without any respite in between"

"Spoke to some veterans who said the number of reps they got overall during the mini camp was not too harsh and about normal, but going for six straight days certainly struck some as odd."

I guess these don't count as inside sources. Oh, that's right, he didn't explicitly name his sources, therefore they aren't real. Maybe some of the posters in here need to reconsider their own "agendas".

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Point, set, match PSPS23

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Ahhh, so now JLC is an expert Owner, GM, Scout, Head Coach, Strength and Conditioning Coach, Organizational Management and Medical Expert.

That's great that he is so diverse. It will come in handy when the CEO of the Washington Post cans him. Well, actually Cindy will do the canning, but I am sure that we will hear the sob story that the CEO never explained why.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

isn't it game, set match zebra? points come before games. games make up matches. unless i am having a brainfart.

Posted by: talkshowhost | May 14, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Or maybe he's a reporter who based his information off of expert or experienced owners, gm's, scouts, head coaches, etc.

Yes, he has been prone to let his opinion slip in now and then, but this entire post is based off Gibbs and sources from other teams in the NFL. It's funny how people interpret only what they want to interpret.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think it's a great POST.
A couple things here to think about.
1. Is it Zorn's way of doing things or is it just a way that he hasn't been able to pay attention to the small details of being a HC? Especially since he was such a last minute hire. ( let's hope it's Zorn's way )
2. On the comment of
"Portis being treated differently" Most good leaders do treat different people differently. I'm fine w/ that. Do you think Riggo didn't get special treatment? Please, Joe Jackson would be on his knees praying that Riggo would make it in the locker room b4 kickoff of playoff games, knowing that Riggo went on another "bender" the night b4 (insert any game)

Posted by: CLEGG | May 14, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how people interpret only what they want to interpret.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2008 10:49 AM

We learned that from your fearless beat writer. He has taught us very well.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

81
I believe we have 4 extra tix for the game.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 14, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

No one said Portis did not play in all 16 games but he did not have his legs until game 8 or 9. And Gibbs way did not work this time playoffs or not. We had guys hurt all the time, so I would say a change is needed. If you can not see that every post from Jasno has a negative feel to it, I have some swamp land to sell you. I have sources that say Jasno hates the Skins, but I will not name them. I guess I have to be telling the truth.

Posted by: psps | May 14, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Psps, 11:06AM

That was meant to be directed at you not posted by you.

Posted by: kmdp4 | May 14, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Yep, you are correct TSH

Posted by: Zebra | May 14, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Another negative spin on things huh, JLa? How bout we meet in the sand yard and I'll show you what that colon shank is all about!

Posted by: Prison Balls | May 14, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

A fifth person charged in Sean Taylor's murder...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3395451

- .250

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

hey PB....how bout takin' your shank and shovin' up your hiney.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

is it me, or does anyone else find pb's posts to be very funny.

Kind of immature on my part, but I chuckle every time I read one of his posts...

Posted by: Greg | May 14, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

it's you

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

thats entirely possible, wouldn't be the first time I was alone in finding humor in something....

Posted by: Greg | May 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

According to the Miami Herald, Bill Parcells takes a different approach, probably more like Zorn than Gibbs:

Parcells' way: Be fit, or else
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http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/529475.html

Posted by: rb | May 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

kmdp4,

If you think a change is needed, that's fine. All this post says is that zorn is doing things differently than gibbs did it and the way others did it around the league. There is no judgment whatsoever in the post, only questions. And they're legitimate questions. It's not negative, it's skeptical. That's the way it should be, especially for a first-time coach with little to no experience in these matters. Formulate your own opinion and leave it be.

As for the sources, it's amazing how people continue to think he's just making things up. He scooped every coaching candidate before they were interviewed. He scooped the CJ trade when EVERYBODY said there's no way. Every "negative" thing he posts has a positive reflection (with the admitted exception of the Vinny nickname post). He criticized the skins for getting rid of GWilliams because he LIKES GWilliams. He criticized the skins for letting go of Byner because he LIKES EB. He loved the initial trades for the draft, and loved the Devin Thomas pick, but was skeptical about going overboard with the following 2 picks. Sometimes he criticizes Portis for getting too many carries because he LIKES Betts. He has plenty of posts where he commends the Redskins organization and the Redskins players for certain things, but apparently to you some of you, that's true unbiased reporting. Then as soon as he posts questions or becomes skeptical, he has an agenda because he hates the Redskins. Get over it. Not everybody agrees 100% with every aspect of Redskin life, organization, and the ways of doing things - and that includes people within the organization itself. Seriously, if you want "unbiased" "explicit" sources for your "inside" news, then go to extremeskins. I'll prefer to stay here and receive updates from someone with a different point of view than my own.

Posted by: psps23 | May 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I got no issues with Zorn changing the practice routines.

First of all, two of the "Ouchies" were explainable.

*Campbell's hammie was due to too much squat passing.

*Portis's Hip flexor was due to his unwise match race against Landry.

And based on the incredible number of hammies and other muscle pulls under Gibbs 2.0, I'd say ANY change is welcome.

What does concern me a little is that Zorn is treating children like adults. No curfew for the rookies? How'd that work out Fred Davis?

The great philosopher Crash Davis put it best when he said athletes are children. You have to scare 'em. Time for Larry to start telling them they're Lollygaggers.

Posted by: Corkczar | May 14, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Considering the significant role injured hammies, groins, & quads played over the past few years, this is definitely solid reporting/info for Skins fans.

Gibbs reviewed the problem and modified his regimen accordingly. MeSoZorny is a rookie HC, and has tossed out those modifications.

JLC doesn't give his opinion one way or the other, but gives us some facts to chew on going forward. As "Practice?" stated earlier, if the players come through OK Zorny starts winning trust and confidence. If players start dropping like flies with hammies & stuff, he's made a green rookie coach mistake. One of these will be the story later.

It amazes me how quick some of you are to throw spears at Jasno when he offers up this type of report! I appreciate the information.

Posted by: Alan | May 14, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Are these the Zorn skins or the Cerrato skins? Implying cerrato is responsible for setting the practice schedule is a big accusation.

As regimental as gibbs was, for the entire time he was here injuries plagued this team.

And the result wasn't just less then the goal of a lombardi, it was reaching for average and at times piss poor for all 4 years.

I don't see why you are taking the negative side on change,when the last era's methods clearly didn't work.

We realize you hate vinnie, but cmon.

Posted by: p24 | May 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Greg, I find PB's posts nonsensical, but comical nonetheless. Something to be said for someone who doesn't stray from their genre.

Also with you psps23. My sentiments exactly. Never works though. Haters will always be haters.

Posted by: dlhaze | May 14, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep * beep beep *

You guys are WAY behind!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | May 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

JASNO SEZ....BRING 'EM ON !!!

Heck, i wouldn't be surprised to learn half the negative posts on this blog ABOUT Jasno are FROM Jasno or his stooges posting anonymously.

The other half are a mix of those who think Redskins.Com is the Be All and End All of Redskin reporting and those at Redskin Park who still have their computers unblocked.

But for those of you who think these ignorant cheap shots (as contrasted to appropriate cheap shots) HURT Jasno, you really don't understand how Media works these days.

Those monitoring the Blog don't care about content, they only count #s of posts. Wow, Jasno had 1000 posts responding to his item the other day? It's working!

Why? Because he's controversial, and stirs up the rubes. It's a trick learned from the Madonna playbook. Today, more than ever ANY PUBLICITY is good publicity. Or do you still believe it's a coincidence that Paula Abdul dons her Stupid Hat right before sweeps?

Infamy is the same thing as fame these days. Bottom line is what counts. And in an era when newspapers would do almost ANYTHING to get more eyeballs, JASNO is a role model.

I'm sorry, does my azz seem cynical in these rants?


Posted by: Corkczar | May 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

P24,
where's the negative? So Jasno called them the Cerrato skins. Big deal. Clearly, Cerrato's role role and responsibility is the only one that has continually increased over the entire period of Snyder's tenure (except the 1 year Marty Schottenheimer told Cerrato to take a hike, after which Marty was promptly fired and Cerrato came back). This is a neutral report, unless you want to dispute the significance of Cerrato's role with the Skins.

Posted by: Alan | May 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Why do people keep talking about Portis and having his legs until week 8 or 9???
How about our "patchwork" O-Line having time to gel? Or Saunders play calling?
1.Wks 1-8 Portis Avg 16.4 carries a game for a meek 3.75yds a game!!
2. Wk 8-17 Portis Avg 21 carries a game for a 3.35 yds a game!!

So what does that proove? NOTHING! It tells me it has nothing to do about Gibbs giving special treatment to Portis and giving him time off during camps b/c his production actually went down w/ the more carries he received.
Let's wait and see how Zorny's style works out!!! No more crap about Clinton getting his legs under him late in the season. As if, a couple of days off in July or throughout the week makes a difference b/c it didn't help him at all.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Look, this story is everything that bother people about LaCanfora's coverage in a nutshell. First, referring to them as the Cerrato Skins is unfair; under Gibbs, the OTA schedule is credited to the coach, now it's being credited to the GM (and thus, implicitly being put in a negative light, since clearly, neither he nor the majority of this board is a fan of Cerrato).

More importantly, though, he's not giving a balanced view of the schedule. He spends the whole time talking about how others in the league are "puzzled," and how "highly unsual" this schedule is (all words w/ negative connotations). He spends paragraphs talking about how Gibbs and others do it and why, while only spending one sentence to explain why Zorn (or, apparently, Cerrato) is doing it this way. The clear implication, if by nothing other than sheer volume, is that the current plan is worse. But again, he doesn't allow anyone associated w/ the knew team to explain their side of it, or why this is better for the current team. (Obviously, the only players he uses as sources are the ones who think its "odd;" a group, he says, comprised of "some" of the players, and thus, not all.)

This is just not balanced reporting. Clearly, this is a relatively minor example, and it would be easy to say that the "Jason haters" are just reading too much into it. But just because his spin is more subtle doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The entire tone of this article is negative, and he doesn't seem at all interested in allowing Zorn, Cerrato, or anyone else associated w/ the Redskins to defend their decisions. He's happy enough to just talk to the people who don't agree.

Posted by: Jake | May 14, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Alan-
I dispute that Cerrato is setting the practice schedule. I dispute that what gibbs did here worked which is what JLC implies. I dispute the attitude of attack the change before there are real results to attack. For all of gibbs' regimented schedules and attention to detail, this team was an undisciplined, inconsistent mess for 4 years. And I would go as far as to say our offense often looked unprepared and rough with their execution and after 4 years there was no consistent improvement. That is reality.

So we are changing things, we are hiring some youth, so what. That might not be such a bad thing. Gibbs staff had 10000 years of combined experience and they stunk it up. This is just a game, it isn't like we are hiring the leader of the free world, i don't think a fresh approach is such a bad thing.

Posted by: P24 | May 14, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This is a blog! The writer is supposed to have an opinion. I'm actually tired of reading news stories on the Redskins Insider blog.

A lot of what we read are just initial drafts for stories.

Posted by: SteveD | May 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe my cup is 1/2 full b/c this doesn't seem negative to me....

("Spoke to some veterans who said the number of reps they got overall during the mini camp was not too harsh and about normal, but going for six straight days certainly struck some as odd.")
Striking some as odd, means most were not struck oddly at all!!!!

Does the evil cheating "Dr. B." in NewEngland do things that are considered by most to be the norm?? No. That's why players want to go up there on the cheap and play for him. I believe Cerrato Skins wasn't being mentioned as suggesting that "The Vinnster" was who made the schedule.

Posted by: CLEGG | May 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Gibbs regimen didn't seem to help prevent the number of groins and hammys suffered in 2007 with his OTA schemes. Matter of fact the Skins had to change regimens and bring in people throughout the season (and before) to figure what was causing all the problems.
Everything I have read and seen related to the Vets and the Zorn OTAs have been positive.....so I'd like more depth in the "odd" comments that you made JLa, outside than it's different than what Gibbs did.

And shouldn't the ZornSkins get complimented for the change, since Gibbs 2.0 was regularly blasted on this site and others for his regimens and practice routines?

The knee scope can't be blamed on the OTAs, especially since ARE mentioned on Redskins Radio that he was having problems with that knee swelling last season.

Portis' hip pointer/strain has been attributed to the sprinting duel with Landry. If anything you could blame the coaches for letting them do this if the injury is significant (doesn't seem to be however).

That's just my thoughts on this.....

Posted by: Walking Deadman | May 14, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I am beginning to really dislike this guys swarmy style. His writing has an entire layer of guck and hate on it.

So if we have injuries it's Zorn and the non Joe schedules fault? Your an idiot. Please find another team to cover.

Posted by: Alex | May 15, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Not sure I really get the big deal in the differences between Zorn's approach to OTAs and that of Gibbs. It's not like we were super-successful under Gibbs. Seems like a bit of a non-story to me. If no-one else has ever done it this way then who's to say it's wrong?

Posted by: tartanskin | May 16, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm curious, since our Skins haven't really found themselves since Gibbs left in the 90's and conventional thinking hasn't exactly panned out in the time since Snyder became owner, why not just let those who work full time at Football do things differently?. How many times have we watched management throw money at the Redskins problems, only to find the team in salary cap problems with big name players who don't produce??
Our Redskins are in, arguably, the toughest division in the NFL. The results of playing "in the past" haven't panned out. So, what do you do if you own a proud team that since the demise of Jack Kent Cook has faltered? I say, rock on Skin's front office, turn the page, think outside the box. I'm excited to see how 31 other teams are going to scheme a complete front office and coaching staff. Skins RULE!!!

Posted by: ROMULUX | May 19, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

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