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Center, Linebacker Are Late-Round Options

We blogged last week about D.C. native and small-college cornerback Greg Toler, a local product the Skins could look to draft in the mid-to-late rounds, and want to mention another kid with local ties who could be on their radar come the end of the draft. The Redskins like Maryland center Edwin Williams, who could be a center/gurad swingman as a reserve in the NFL.

The Redskins have no proven backup for center Casey Rabach, who will be a free agent after the 2009 season and age and depth across the offensive line are issues. Williams could be on the board as late as the seventh round and league sources indicate it would not be a surprise if they took him there.

Of course, much depends on what they do with their first two picks, but Boston College outside linebacker Robert Francois will be someone to watch on the second day of the draft, according to sources. The Skins have a need for depth as well as for a starting strong-side linebacker and if this position is not addressed with the higher picks, Francois could be chosen as a player to develop. Sources say he has drawn attention from the Skins.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 20, 2009; 8:43 AM ET
 
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First off, a name like Francois doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of men.
Seriously, what QB is gonna be afraid some dude named Francois is comin' to get him.

Posted by: Predator48 | April 20, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

A general manger told me that he expects Cleveland to trade Brady Quinn this week but he???s not sure what team he will be heading to. The prevailing feeling in the NFL is that the Browns like Mark Sanchez and have spent considerable time getting to know everything they can about him.(National Football Post)

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage

What is scary about this is that the Browns were the other team in the mix with the Skins during the Jay Cutler debacle. Heard the trade was a 3 way deal between the Skins, Broncos, and Browns but then the Browns decided to keep Quinn (at least for awhile) so the deal fell through.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Mayock's Top 20:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80d41b6d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I know a lot of people up here respect Mayock's opinions, and he seems to love Robert Ayers...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

King's MMQB leads with Dannyboy's little lamb chop story.

What more could a crashing empire ask? We have a naive, foolish little Nero, fiddling around while the franchise burns.

Veal and circuses!

Posted by: SonofNero | April 20, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo is falling...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder wants to complete the Nero metaphor he would level Georgetown to build a new stadium.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

What is scary about this is that the Browns were the other team in the mix with the Skins during the Jay Cutler debacle. Heard the trade was a 3 way deal between the Skins, Broncos, and Browns but then the Browns decided to keep Quinn (at least for awhile) so the deal fell through.
Posted by: Lisa_R

I don't think this trade rumor ever transcended it's rumor status. I saw it on fanhouse with a (sattire) label.

Good news is if the Browns take Sanchez, then we can have some continutity

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

You've been a good son Brian, and I'm sorry you're so sick....

I HOPE Orakpo is falling... I'd be happy to take that beast at #13.

Otherwise, try and trade for Miami, Pats, or Giants 2 2nd rounders.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind the idea of picking up a C/G and OLB in the 2nd day.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

my card goes:

OT Smith bama
G/C Johnson lsu
LB Maiava usc
CB Quin newMex (Toler or Francois could fit)
LB Mauga nevada, Reed oregon (Francois or Toler could fit)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

read fan mailbag at redskins.com

I think it has some good perspectives on the draft

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Fan_Mailbag__Should_Redskins_Go__Macho__At_Cornerback__33929.jsp

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I HOPE Orakpo is falling... I'd be happy to take that beast at #13.

Otherwise, try and trade for Miami, Pats, or Giants 2 2nd rounders.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 9:18 AM |

He is not worth a #13. He's about to fall out of the top 20.

And if we pick him up, then he doesn't have a position to start at, unless you cut Andre Carter.

He doesn't know how to play a 3-4 OLB, nor LDE....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The more I read the more I believe the skins are going to make a run at Sanchez. if we give up a two first and a third to get a guy who probably won't be ready till next year at the earliest with the holes we need to fill I will really be angry.

Danny has been reckless in the past but this would go way beyond the pale.

Posted by: Gweez | April 20, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Curry is looking like a legit option right now. If he fall past #5.

The Redskins are only going to be interested in 'locks' in this draft........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

4th - why can't Orakpo play a 4-3 OLB and/or a 4-3 LDE on 3rd downs?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

This is going to be a long, worrisome week. Please let all of this Sanchez talk be a smokescreen....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 20, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

4th what's the reason Orakpo is falling. BTW he has played LB in college. The thing about him is that in coverage he'll be exposed initially. However,as a pass rusher from the LB position, he should be pretty dominate.

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Edwin Williams will be a solid pick up. He backed up Andrew Crummmey at Maryland(whom the Redskins wish they would have kept). I another soild pick up would be Akron ILB Kevin Grant. 6'2, 250 same size as Marcus Washington and a very good tackler. He has already worked out for the Reskins coaching staff and front office.

Posted by: mwill008 | April 20, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Ryp - He has to learn to play OLB 1st. He hasn't had any reps as a 4-3 OLB. None. We need a starter this year. It'll be easier for him to convert to a 3-4, which we don't run...

Our immediate needs dictates we HAVE to take Orakpo off of Vinny's Big Board. Greg Blatche can't do anything with him at all this year......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

If Antoine Caldwell from Alabama is around for the Skins third round pick, they need to snatch him up for that center spot.

Posted by: hbu_dog | April 20, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

"Our immediate needs dictates we HAVE to take Orakpo off of Vinny's Big Board. Greg Blatche can't do anything with him at all this year......

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Whaaa? Orakpo's an immediate upgrade over the entire edge pass-rush, and would be a perfect rotational player for Blache along the defensive line. He absolutely fills an immediate need, and does it at the same time while providing a potential elite starter down the road.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

The Packers are converting to 3-4 this year and have a shot at Orakpo before us.

The Broncos McDaniels has been known to covet a USC QB before. Sanchez gone here if not already to the Browns, Hawks, or 9ers.

The Patriots use to have an excellent back-up QB from USC. They may be interested in trading up and grooming Sanchez. If we successfully trade down we could score a decent OL, & DE

If we take an OT @ 13 and a G/C @ 80, and add depth to LB and CB on day 2, we will have a SOLID roster.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

PSP - I'm rolling with my boys Mayock and Casserly.

* High Risk/High Reward
* He didn't show up in all games on film. Especially against top tackles in this years draft.


So, he beasted out in the combine, but not consistently on film.

Orakpo = Gohlston = Mameula

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

4th I think you're reading into their comments what you want to hear. I've heard both Mayock and Casserly say that Orakpo is a very good player.

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I agree, I'm always skeptical of guys who shoot up the draft bored AFTER the season has ended. So a OT can run a 4.7 40...great and that helps how? Tackling on interceptions?

The guys who show up on saturdays for 4 years is what I'll go with.

Posted by: Gweez | April 20, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Maybe 4th, but that's not the same as saying Blache can't do anything with him this year. THIS year, the immediate need along the defensive line is a pass-rusher, not a LDE. Daniels and Wynn, two veteran run-stuffing DEs have that spot taken care of this season. What we don't have is a proven edge-rusher, outside of Carter, who is no all-pro himself. Orakpo fills that void, ideally.

Of course, you can be scared of risk. I won't argue with that. My vote is still for Maybin if we go defensively and Curry or Raji are not available. I can see Maybin being a 7-8 sack performer next season, and he has HUGE upside down the road.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

According to SI's Peter King, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder is "beyond smitten" with USC QB Mark Sanchez and "will likely pursue him this week."
King believes Snyder will have to give up a 2009 and 2010 first or a collection of picks this year in order to move in front of Seattle at No. 4. Chiefs GM Scott Pioli, the NFL leader in draft-day trades over the past eight years, is dying to move out of the No. 3 spot. Sanchez now looks like a near lock to go Top-5.

Looks like Sanchez it is. Peter King has nailed most of the Skins latest moves....

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

If we can get Maybin I'm def for it. Maybe has the best first step and that is something you can't teach.

I think Maybin will be gone. If so, Everette Brown.

Posted by: Gweez | April 20, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

If Snyder gives up multiple first round picks to choose an UNPROVEN quarterback it will truly be the end of the Redskins!! I heard that Ryan Leaf was a future can't miss superstar. Quarterbacks are a crap shoot. Joey Harrington was a first round pick and wasn't nearly as good as 7th round pick Matt Cassel. I have a feeling that Danny and Vinny are already building this team for Bill Cowher.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | April 20, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"I have a feeling that Danny and Vinny are already building this team for Bill Cowher.
Posted by: RedskinJim1"

If they were building it for Cowher, they probably wouldn't take Mark Sanchez. Cowher likes'em big and strong and stationery.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

This is what's going to happen so we can stop arguing: Sanchez will be a redskin. Campbell will be on the Bucs or Jets, probably Bucs, and in return we will get a 3rd round draft pick. You guys know Snyder. This is going to happen. This is not a smokescreen. So let's embrace this and hope we can acquire a pretty good OT in the 3rd round (hey, Cooley wasn't a first round pick and look what he's done...chris horton was a stud at times, look where we got him?). As much as Snyder and Cerrato suck and aren't the smartest bunch, they actually know how to draft talent in the later rounds.

Just have some faith, no point in arguing an issue that is beyond our control...especially this issue with Sanchez

Posted by: Broman17 | April 20, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

4th I think you're reading into their comments what you want to hear. I've heard both Mayock and Casserly say that Orakpo is a very good player.

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 9:58 AM

Stay tuned for the Real Skins Report Tonight....

I have qoutes from both of them stating what I said. I'm not reading into nothing.

I'm a just agreeing with them. They don't like Orakpo. That's why he fell to #18 on Mayock's to 20. Casserly doesn't like hin either. ONLY Charles Davis likes him, and Carles Davis is unbelievable..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I won't be disappointed with Orakpo or any other DE, OT, or LB in the 1st. I'm hoping for a Tackle.

I hope come up with a RB in the 3rd.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | April 20, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

As much as I hate to say it, I'm starting to talk myself into the Mark Sanchez era. Too bad we have to trade multiple picks that we don't even have to get him. Hope there are some OL/DL/OLB/MLB/CB diamonds in the rough in the undrafted rookie free agency pool.

Posted by: countystyle | April 20, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Sanchez it is. Peter King has nailed most of the Skins latest moves....

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 10:07 AM

I think Peter King is carrying the water for Daniel Snyder because he owes him one for recent write ups about him and Vinny.

I see all this as a smoke screen. The real answers will only come the day of the draft......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Interesting bit from PK this morning about Eugene Monroe falling a bit and even "failing" on some team's boards b/c of a knee condition...

Posted by: p1funk | April 20, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

As long as we are talking about the lower rounds, reaches, and day two picks, let me throw some names at you. Some of these guys won't even get picked but they could be solid players in the right system.

-Nate Kmic is a very small running back who played for div III Mount Union. The guy racked up a phenomenal amount of yardage, and yes, it was div III but some of that has to carry over. He's got decent speed and plays faster than he runs. He may go undrafted. If the Redskins are looking for a mini-mite, then this guy might be the ticket.

-Jason Boltus, QB, Div III Hartwick. Yes, again this is div III but the guy can play. Nobody is going to waste a draft pick on a div III QB but I could see this guy as an interesting developmental prospect. He has pocket presence and can hurt a team with his legs as well. Worthy of a look.

-John Wise, Wrestler 285 lb wrestler from Illinois. This guy played some college football at DL before he transferred from West Illinois to Illinois. He's big and has catlike agility. If the Redskins want to take a chance on a virtual unknown this guy fits the bill. I can remember for a few years there Bobby Beathard seemed to have a thing for the heavyweight wrestlers switching to the line, so shouldn't be a mystery.

-Clinton McDonald, DT, Memphis. This guy did not go to the combine. but he showed off during the Memphis pro day. He is really, really strong up top. He did 36 bench presses at 225 and acted like he stopped because of sheer boredom. If nothing else this guy could be a weight room motivator, but I think he could occupy linemen while Haynseworth crashes down on the QB.

I like the fact that the Redskins are looking at Maryland offensive lineman again. They need to do a better job of hanging on to them once they get them, however. Last year, they let Crummey sign off the practice squad to another team. I think the guy was a decent run blocker with some things to learn about pass blocking, but he definitely had potential.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 20, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Saturday can't get here fast enough because I've never been this scared about the draft before. I'm praying this is all a smoke screen but I just don't trust or FO. The wining and dining seems awful high-profile though.

Posted by: countystyle | April 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

That should be "our" FO.

Posted by: countystyle | April 20, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

After hearing Sanchez’s interview with Mike and Mike last week it’s not hard to see why Snyder covets him. $$$$$$$$$$ The guy was smooth, polished and effortlessly got his plug in for Sprint, one of his sponsors, without any prompting from the hosts. Snyder being the marketing guy has to be drooling over him. Who gives a rip about building a team – get the guy who’ll sell the most products – Snyder’s take not mine. Hopefully someone grabs him first.

My choices if I was GM – one of the following
A. Smith, Oher, Orakpo, Jackson, Ayers, Mauluga, Cushing, trade down for more picks

Posted by: skinswest | April 20, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

We should draft O-Line with every pick! We need: starting RT (neither Heyer not Janson can cut it), reserve RG (does anyone truly think Thomas will remain healthy through the entire season?), reserve C (no legit. C besides Rabach), reserve LT (sadly, Samuels has been shown to be mortal).

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 20, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

After hearing Sanchez’s interview with Mike and Mike last week it’s not hard to see why Snyder covets him. $$$$$$$$$$ The guy was smooth, polished and effortlessly got his plug in for Sprint...

Posted by: skinswest | April 20, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

After imagining Sanchez behind this O-line it's not hard to see why this is going to be a disaster. The guy will be roughed-up, soiled, and get effortlessly plugged by the pass-rush Sprinting by our guys...

Posted by: p1funk | April 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

4th what's "the Real Skins Report"?

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Don't forget about undrafted FA's. There will be a lot to sign after the draft. Look at Jason Peters that Phily traded for, or Hyer.. There is talent in undrafted guys.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Happy April 20th all. If you don't know what I mean have fun living under that rock.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"The Patriots use to have an excellent back-up QB from USC. They may be interested in trading up and grooming Sanchez. If we successfully trade down we could score a decent OL, & DE"

I'm not at all sure they were that enthusiastic about Cassel. He played well last year, but then they made adjustments for his inexperience like Atlanta and Baltimore did with their rookie QBs. His big supporter was Pioli, who went to KC.

They may thing there's a better QB out there.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

So can someone please tell me who will be our starting QB after we draft Sanchez and either cut or alienate Campbell? Sanchez is so not ready to be a starter - especially behind our O line (which we will have no draft picks to beef up) and Todd Collins looked horrible in Zorn's system last pre-season. Can't see Colt being the starter - in fact, this will push Colt even further down the chain (possibly out the door).

How can Snyder and Cerrato be such IDIOTS????

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The whole Philly thing makes this doubly crappy for me.

Last year they get DeSean Jackson and basically turned him into a No.1-caliber receiver and return man in his rookie year.

We spend 2 picks on 2 receivers. One has had 3 knee surgeries and the other "made progress" when he finally learned to line up correctly and stopped getting flagged for offensive pass interference...and we had to watch ARE return punts.

This year, the Eagles got younger and better by addressing both tackle spots. And we are going to go into the season with Jon Jansen and 33-year old Chris Samuels (I say he lasts 6-7 games) and WE ARE GONNA BLOW THE DRAFT KITTY ON A QB WE DON"T NEED!!!!

Posted by: p1funk | April 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"There is talent in undrafted guys. Posted by: slimbo-Rice |"

There sure is. Peters is an example. Bugel likes Maryland linemen, but I think Virginia produces quite a few good prospects as well.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Rich Tandler has an article on his blog that you guys should read because I think he is absolutely right. Here is an excerpt of his article:

"Redskins Nation is likely to be fretting and wringing its collective hands on Monday morning, lamenting unfilled needs. Chances are, though, that a few guys will end up working out just fine."

The truth is that we will not be able to fill every need in this draft, especially with out lack of draft picks. However, every team has these issues and end up just having a "guy" to just come in and do his part. This isn't to say that we should just get reserve guys for every position it doesn't work like that, but in regards to linebackers, H.B. Blades did a pretty good job coming in like that, and London and Rocky will be studs. Randy Thomas is coming back and Dockery will help us immensely, and although we are old on the line, there will always be OT in free agency and more to choose from in next year's draft.

The point is is that we can pick up guys to just be role guys; you can't have studs for every position. So do not be that worried, other teams feel our pain, but I think we'll be ok let's just sit back and see what happens. If Sanchez is our quarterback, then so be it. If Campbell is our quarterback, then that's great too.

Here is the link to Tandler's article:
http://realredskins.com/

Posted by: Broman17 | April 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I think Peter King is carrying the water for Daniel Snyder because he owes him one for recent write ups about him and Vinny.

I see all this as a smoke screen. The real answers will only come the day of the draft......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 10:35 AM |

You (and I) wish. But these guys are not smokescreen guys. They are limelighters. They want to be seen doing what they're doing. They need the attention.

Someone else may be willing to give more to get Sanchez, and if so they're not going to broadcast it to Peter King. But I'm convinced that Snyder would give up his entire draft, plus the future, to get this guy. Snyder is one of the few people who's a worse talent_evaluator than I am -- and I admit to being a pretender.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 20, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"Redskins like Maryland center Edwin Williams, who could be a center/gurad swingman as a reserve in the NFL."

Williams is actually better than Andrew Crummey was, if only because he doesn't have that awful injury history. He's more talented overall than Heyer.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

4th what's "the Real Skins Report"?

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 10:48 AM

My long delayed you tube TV Show. I was able to get Mike Mayock, Charley Casserly, and My own version of Micky Rooney lined up and taped. I just need to put on some final touches....

(I never knew editing could be so hard)

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

It will be Sanchez, and will illustrate everything that iswrong with this franchise...

Snyder and Vinnie are losers and will never truly understand what it takes to win. If they trade picks for Sanchez and start over, they can also take my season tickets as I won't want them anymore.

Posted by: adamkatzen | April 20, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Vinny's draft day tricks are pretty pathetic. We all know what the skins are gonna do. Look back since Dan took over. I wish I had 2 billions dollars to buy this team from the geniuses. I wonder if we fans have enough money to buy redskins.

Posted by: thewayitis | April 20, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Do anyone remember all hype a couple of years back about us taking Winslow? It was a sure lock reported by everyone including Winslow himself. Then on draft day we went with the Reaper. I truely believe the same thing will go down with this year. That the sure lock that everyone is talking about us taking won't go down.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 20, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

4th that should be interesting.

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

How about this senario..

We make a trade to move up to 3 in the next day or 2. Then Seattle makes a move to get to #2 and take Sanchez.. Then we take Curry...

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

There may be a silver lining to Peter King's article from earlier. His "source" also reported that Snyder will not give up next year's first round pick to move up. That could mean we will only give up this year's first and next year's second and third. I am hoping that 4th is right and this is some kind of smokescreen.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 20, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=ages2/090420

Pretty funny all time mock draft from ESPN which has us drafting a bust. Good stuff.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Unless they trade up under the false pretense that they want Sanchez really badly, lulling all the teams that want Curry and Smith/Monroe and then fool everyone by taking Curry or Smith/Monroe.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 20, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Thanks TWISI. The 1st few will be a work in progress as this is purely hobby and I have no professional experince in it.

I would have had it out yesterday if it wasn't for this thing called a 'wife'! I was getting a lot of nagging, 'So you're doing this why now? For the people on the internet you don't know? And you'd never make any money from doing this?' and such as.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Raji Didn’t Test Positive
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 11:05 a.m. EDT

Well, SI.com perhaps will now officially retract its report regarding Boston College defensive tackle B.J. Raji.

Per a league source, Raji’s name did not appear on the list of players who tested positive for marijuana at the Scouting Combine.

Earlier this month, Tony Pauline of SI.com reported that Raji tested positive. After Raji and his agents denied it, SI.com pulled the story.

But SI.com didn’t retract the report. Eventually, SI.com issued the following statement: “We have investigated the claims of Mr. Raji’s agent and although we have several credible sources for the report we have decided to take it down while we continue reporting the story.”

Appearing on radio recently with Mike Dempsey of 1010XL in Jacksonville, Pauline declared: “I stand by what my sources told me.”

Posted by: TWISI | April 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

'...If Antoine Caldwell from Alabama is around for the Skins third round pick, they need to snatch him up for that center spot....'


Agreed.

The can play two positions--center/guard.

We hope he's on the board when we pick in the third round.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 20, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=ages2/090420

Pretty funny all time mock draft from ESPN which has us drafting a bust. Good stuff.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Ha! That's hilarious and right on the money.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 20, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Not good news that we are still talking about Sanchez. Man, these guys are gonna wet the bed over this dude and ruin this draft and next year's too!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

JM220, I posted that a couple of times yet the hype is what peeps want to talk about. DThomas mentioned last year that the Redskins never even spoke with him, and was surprised that he was picked by them.

Reading these comments is like ground hogs day all over again.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

We make a trade to move up to 3 in the next day or 2. Then Seattle makes a move to get to #2 and take Sanchez.. Then we take Curry...

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 11:10 AM

I think we can get Curry at around #5 or 6. We shouldn't have to jump so high for him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

We make a trade to move up to 3 in the next day or 2. Then Seattle makes a move to get to #2 and take Sanchez.. Then we take Curry...

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 11:10 AM

I think we can get Curry at around #5 or 6. We shouldn't have to jump so high for him......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse


What I am saying is that we move to 3 to get Sanchez. If we are lucky, seattle jumps us and get to 2 to take him so then we are at 3 with no sanchez and take Curry. Best case senario.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Curzon417 it does feel like that doesn't it. I wonder if anyone that is continue to stick with the story will say they were wrong come Saturday. If we do pick him I know I will be up here to say I was wrong. I challenge all those that are so positive that we are picking San come up here and say they were wrong if we don't.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 20, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

This indeed will be a gut wrenching week. I still do not think we will get Sanchez. I think we keep our picks. Teams that really need a qb, like the Bears needed Cutler, will move in. I mean the JETS, JAX, SEA, SF. Sanchez will be going to one of those teams not us. Ayers, A.Smith, Oher, Jackson, maybe Orakpo will be our pick. So stop worrying.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 20, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

First off, a name like Francois doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of men.


Posted by: Predator48

Special Teams specialist to tackle Pierre Garcon

Posted by: TheCork | April 20, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

WTF would we want Orakpo?

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1240216333148990.xml&coll=2

He didn't even pla in a 4-3 in college. I don't know if you guys don't care or what, but Orakpo is off the board...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I want Ayers or Jackson. A true defensive lineman. Not a 245/260 lb linebacker hybrid. But thats just me. Be cool with a O Tackle too.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 20, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This indeed will be a gut wrenching week. I still do not think we will get Sanchez. I think we keep our picks. Teams that really need a qb, like the Bears needed Cutler, will move in. I mean the JETS, JAX, SEA, SF. Sanchez will be going to one of those teams not us. Ayers, A.Smith, Oher, Jackson, maybe Orakpo will be our pick. So stop worrying.

Posted by: FedorEm

I hope your right, and you left out Cleveland, and Denver as QB takers.

from fanhouse.

CB's could dictate much of round 1. [We could use this to lure Miami into a trade.]

Lions begin negotiations with Stafford, Smith, and Curry. [Hopefully Stafford goes here and makes Sanchez likely to go prior to 13.]

Andre Smith still looks like a top 10 pick. [Oher becomes more likely.]

Browns will draft Sanchez or Crabtree. [hopefully Sanchez goes here.]

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

From the article:

"My issue with him is I don't see it all the time on tape," said Mayock. "I see it a lot, but I just don't see the consistency of effort and production that I'd like to see from a potential top-10 type of pick."

Mayock also told si.com of Orakpo, "Buyer beware. He's boom or bust. I don't know if he's DeMarcus Ware or Vernon Gholston [whom Mangini picked for the Jets last year]."

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The 'skins better pray Colt Brennan is the answer if they DON'T draft Sanchez because they've ruined Campbell.

Any leader who's been disrespected, insulted and mislead as much as the 'skins have with Campbell this year who WOULD stay after that would lose the respect of his teammates by so doing, IMO.

This team is a QB killer. They ruined Ramsey by beating him to death and now campbell. If they play sanchez behind that declining Oline, they'll ruin him, too.

And don't get me started on poor Jeff George,


Posted by: TheCork | April 20, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Another Analyst from Orakpo's article:

Another draft analyst, Rob Rang of nfldraftscout.com, has dropped Orakpo to No. 20 on his mock draft.

"I don't know that he's athletic enough to be a rush linebacker," said Rang. "He's so bulked up that he's a bit stiff. I think he'll struggle to make the transition. The fact that Kamerion Wimbley has tapered off for the Browns and considering Mangini's experience last year with Gholston, I think it would be a risky pick for the Browns."

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=ages2/090420

Pretty funny all time mock draft from ESPN which has us drafting a bust. Good stuff.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Ha! That's hilarious and right on the money.

Posted by: ga8085


The also have the 'pokes taking Bosworth.

Posted by: TheCork | April 20, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"He didn't even pla in a 4-3 in college."

4th, this is the first sentence in the article you just posted.

"Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo had no trouble trying to convince the Browns he could make the transition from rush end in a 4-3 defense to outside linebacker in a 3-4."

His defensive coordinator installed "some" of the 3-4 defense at Texas. He was also primarily a 4-3 DE. And that means he was a very versatile defender, something that is the exact opposite of a knock to a player.

You're just boosting his appeal in my eyes.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

trade ups on draft day are almost always made contingient upon a player being there when the team picks..
any trade for us to jump to #3 would be made only if Sanchez is still there at #3.. if seattle were to move up to #2, more likely than not, the Skins trade would void

then again, who knows what rules Snyderrato
adhere to ??

Posted by: shally | April 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

trade ups on draft day are almost always made contingient upon a player being there when the team picks..
any trade for us to jump to #3 would be made only if Sanchez is still there at #3.. if seattle were to move up to #2, more likely than not, the Skins trade would void

then again, who knows what rules Snyderrato
adhere to ??

Posted by: shally | April 20, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If we trade up it will be before the draft I would suspect

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

If snyderatto trades up... all hope is lost...

Its funny how they operate like they're "one player away" type of mentality when making personel decisions/acquisitions. Funny cuz theyre the only ones in the league who think so...

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 20, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The 'skins better pray Colt Brennan is the answer if they DON'T draft Sanchez because they've ruined Campbell.

Any leader who's been disrespected, insulted and mislead as much as the 'skins have with Campbell this year who WOULD stay after that would lose the respect of his teammates by so doing, IMO.

This team is a QB killer. They ruined Ramsey by beating him to death and now campbell. If they play sanchez behind that declining Oline, they'll ruin him, too.

And don't get me started on poor Jeff George,
Posted by: TheCork

Campbell is a lot tougher and more professional than the average fan. He will do his job and when the whistle blows he will perform. His success is based on his performance on the field. He knows that and so do his teammates. Snyder could screw it all up, but if Snyder fails and Campbell is our QB this year, then he will have his chance to prove his skill. If we win and make the playoffs, then we will re-sign JC. IMO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Do anyone remember all hype a couple of years back about us taking Winslow? It was a sure lock reported by everyone including Winslow himself. Then on draft day we went with the Reaper. I truely believe the same thing will go down with this year. That the sure lock that everyone is talking about us taking won't go down.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage

JM, when we selected Sean Taylor (our beloved Reaper) instead of Winslow, Joe Gibbs was in charge. That is not the case anymore so Snyder is back to his maniacal ways.

If Gibbs were still here, we would definitely NOT be drafting Sanchez.....I think he would be looking at drafting Tebow next year.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I think we finally are 1 or 2 pieces away.

4th best D + Hayney

6th best rushers + Dockery

pro bowl TE, LT, FB, HB

13th pick

It would be retarded to not think we're 1 piece away now, after a decade of our FO thinking that way.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

well, qb is clearly the most important single player on the team. a great one wont guarantee a team superbowl appearances, but will usually get you in the playoffs year after year

how long has it been since the Redskins truly had one of the best QB's in the NFC,
much less the NFL ?

Gibbs system was based upon a dominating offensive line, smashmouth runners, a very aggressive defense that created turnovers,
and the ability to make some big plays on offense when the other team was worn down.
it was also geared for the time BEFORE the cap.. it didnt work too well under the present system. maybe it would work without a cap once again, but clearly we dont have the front office accumen to build that kind of overall roster strength.

so, perhaps getting a ProBowl level QB is
the better option ? then again, who says we can accomplish that either ???

Posted by: shally | April 20, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Too much has to go Snyders way to get Sanchez. Other teams want him too and are in a better postion to get him. I think we are good here. Just hope whoever we do draft can help us out RIGHT AWAY and isn't a project or something.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

It would be retarded to not think we're 1 piece away now, after a decade of our FO thinking that way.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It would be retarded to be pabrian2003.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

It would be retarded to not think we're 1 piece away now, after a decade of our FO thinking that way.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

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But is that one piece a rookie QB?

Posted by: countystyle | April 20, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

So can someone please tell me who will be our starting QB after we draft Sanchez and either cut or alienate Campbell? Sanchez is so not ready to be a starter - especially behind our O line (which we will have no draft picks to beef up) and Todd Collins looked horrible in Zorn's system last pre-season. Can't see Colt being the starter - in fact, this will push Colt even further down the chain (possibly out the door).

How can Snyder and Cerrato be such IDIOTS????

Posted by: Lisa_R

The Sanchez dinner is just another diss towards Campbell, I'd suspect him to be gone after this weekend. Granted , Sanchez is good, though probably not even as good as Lienart, who I'd rather see in a Skins uniform, make that trade. O-line (tackle) MUST be addressed, or whoever is quarterback is going to be under seige and waylaid..Still waiting for signs of intelligent life emanating from ownership planet, however..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

If we take an OT @ 13 and a G/C @ 80, and add depth to LB and CB on day 2, we will have a SOLID roster.

Posted by: pabrian2003
___________________________

I'm down with this. And if they can't get 1 of the top 4 OT's at 13, do some horse-trading down to get C/G Alex Mack (or Max Unger) and then an OT in round 2.

Build the O-wall.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I read on here somewhere that Snyder wasn't going to include next years number one to move up. Only picks this year. Thats better news than giving up 2 1st rounders. Best news is that SEA takes Sanch with #4.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 20, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

D.C. teams are cursed or something...

Nats have ONE win after 10 or 11 games played...

Wiz just finished with 19 wins...

The Caps are on the verge of being eliminated by the seventh seed...

The 'skins can't get double digit wins Usually only 8 wins or worse), and have only two or three playoff appearances in the last decade...

The United???

F soccer!

Maybe the Mystics will... nevermind.

Being a fan of the teams in DC is so hard, inept management doesn't make it any better (Wizards, 'Skins, and Nationals)

Posted by: RedDMV | April 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

His defensive coordinator installed "some" of the 3-4 defense at Texas. He was also primarily a 4-3 DE. And that means he was a very versatile defender, something that is the exact opposite of a knock to a player.

You're just boosting his appeal in my eyes.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 11:43 AM

But I see no team that is a 4-3 actually looking at this guy. No way he would last as LDE in a 4-3 scheme weighing 260 lbs. We already have that in Andre Carter. We need a heavier LDE prospect such as Ayers or Jackson.

And Orakppo has never played a 4-3 OLB in his life. I don't see where you can put him. He is too light and could only play on passing downs with us. He just doesn't fit what Blatche is trying to do...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

RE Orakpo, he may be good, he may not, but we don't need an RDE, we need an LDE. Totally different animal. Need a big (275-300) beast at RDE, not a tweener at LB size that's going to get abused by RT's and TE's.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

One piece? A quality RT? A starting SLB? A DE who can rush the passer? Hopefully Big Al will make AC better... but I doubt it. A Free Safety who can cover and allow Laron to play SS closer to the LOS and do what he does best (make plays from that position). Or how bout an offense that "piecies" together finally this year and produces a halfway decent passing game? Or how about a bigger WR who can help his QB out by running the right routes and not pushing off from DB's and getting O Pass Int calls against him or possibly being on the active game day roster for at least 1/2 the season? Which piece do you say they could get from now till the start of the season that would propel them to the SB this season? Hmm?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 20, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Here is my prediction.

1.We trade a first round this year and a first and third next year for sanchez.

2.Next year we pay Pete Carrol 10 million to coach the skins (to find out he stinks as a nfl coach 3 years later.

3. We trade our entire 2013 draft for another quarterback and fire caroll and replace him with Mike Holmgren.


what do you think?

Posted by: Redskins001 | April 20, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

We need a heavier LDE prospect such as Ayers or Jackson.
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Like I said earlier, I hope we end up with one of those guys. Ayers or Jackson round 1 and we get better instantly.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 20, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"so, perhaps getting a ProBowl level QB is the better option"

And what makes a pro-bowl level QB? Why was Brett Favre a pro-bowl level QB in Green Bay (where Aaron Rodgers threw for 4000+ yards and 24 TDs last season) but not in New York (where current pro-bowl caliber QB Chad Pennington was recently released for not being "pro-bowl" caliber)? Why was Kurt Warner a pro-bowl level QB in St. Louis and Arizona, but not for the Giants?

It's so simple to say getting a "pro-bowl" QB would be the answer. The problem is that there is no such inherent quality. It takes everybody on and off the field. Give Campbell a line that performed like it did in the first 8 weeks last season, and Campbell is a pro-bowl caliber QB. Give Campbell more than 2 WRs that can be depended on, and more than 1 that's a legitimate threat, and Campbell will be a pro-bowl QB. Give Campbell a consistent coach that can outsmart the opposing defensive coordinator to give his team the advantage on average and Campbell is a pro-bowl level QB.

Do it not, and he may struggle. Kind of like Warner, Favre, and Pennington when they weren't in their proper surroundings.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

RE Orakpo, he may be good, he may not, but we don't need an RDE, we need an LDE. Totally different animal. Need a big (275-300) beast at RDE, not a tweener at LB size that's going to get abused by RT's and TE's.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 12:31 PM

Thank. You. Someone who understands!

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I've about had enough of the Dan Show. He owns 80% of a team worth approximately $1.3 billion. That means it would take about $550 million to offer to buy a majority stake in the Skins.

So basically, we'd have to set up a SPAC, a corporation which raises money with the intention of buying an existing company, keeping most of the investment money in trust until the transaction is completed. If it fails, the money is returned minus a management fee (usually 1%).

So, we get 1 million people to throw in $600 bucks and we are in business, but I'm wondering how many hear would be interested in doing this and how much you'd throw in the pot.

If I get a good response, I'll set up the friggin SPAC myself, web site and all.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

RE Orakpo, he may be good, he may not, but we don't need an RDE, we need an LDE. Totally different animal. Need a big (275-300) beast at RDE, not a tweener at LB size that's going to get abused by RT's and TE's.

Posted by: chasgiffen


Dwight Freeney and Derrick Thomas, 15-20+ sacks a year ,could play both sides..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I am telling yall right now that they are not taking a LB or DE or OL in the first round. they will take Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State becase they love splashy signings and they will be releasing fred smoot next year.

you heard it hear first.

With the 13th pick in the 2009 draft the Washington Redskins take Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 20, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Why not wait till next year when plenty of good quarterbacks will be available in the draft who are all better than Sanchez.. Man these ppl really hate Jason Campbell..
7-9 is my prediction for this year

Posted by: thewayitis | April 20, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

It would be retarded to not think we're 1 piece away now, after a decade of our FO thinking that way.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It would be retarded to be pabrian2003.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 20, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

F u punk, you live in Va Beach by choice...idiot

It would be retarded to not think we're 1 piece away now, after a decade of our FO thinking that way.
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse
********************************
But is that one piece a rookie QB?
Posted by: countystyle

NO, it's a pass protector or pass rusher

One piece? A quality RT? A starting SLB? A DE who can rush the passer? Hopefully Big Al will make AC better... but I doubt it. A Free Safety who can cover and allow Laron to play SS closer to the LOS and do what he does best (make plays from that position). Or how bout an offense that "piecies" together finally this year and produces a halfway decent passing game? Or how about a bigger WR who can help his QB out by running the right routes and not pushing off from DB's and getting O Pass Int calls against him or possibly being on the active game day roster for at least 1/2 the season? Which piece do you say they could get from now till the start of the season that would propel them to the SB this season? Hmm?
Posted by: VaBeachBlitz

a pass protector or pass rusher could put us into good position.

4th best D + Hayney
6th best rushers + Dockery
pro bowl LT, TE, FB, HB
*13th draft pick
*emergence of #11, #12, and/or #86

*these are the 1 or 2 pieces that make it work on paper

The rest is up to the football gods

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"No way he would last as LDE in a 4-3 scheme weighing 260 lbs. We already have that in Andre Carter. We need a heavier LDE prospect such as Ayers or Jackson."

He wouldn't be an LDE. He'd be a RDE. We don't need a "heavier LDE" any more than we need an edge-rushing RDE. We have Carter at RDE, we have Daniels and Wynn at LDE. That's it, especially if Wilson is moving to SLB. Tyson Jackson is a mirror image of Daniels and Wynn. He's a 1st and 2nd down player that possibly can move to DT in pass-rushing situations. That's exactly what we already have two of. He would only be on the field if he was better than Daniels in his rookie year, and the likelihood of that is about the same as a pass-rusher coming in being better than Carter (who was not elite last year). None of those guys will be here long term. All 3 will need future replacements. So as an immediate need, an edge-rusher is more pressing (as we only have Carter who's proven, and possibly Wilson, who's not), while the future needs are relatively the same (Carter has one more year on his deal than Daniels/Wynn).

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts...

First, this made me laugh:

"a name like Francois doesn't exactly strike fear into the hearts of men.
Seriously, what QB is gonna be afraid some dude named Francois is comin' to get him."


At 6'2" 243, I bet he'll get your undivided attention the first time he knocks your fillings out.

Second, I agree that we should just forget about Orakpo. We can't afford to venture our first round pick on a tweener with bum knees. And why bother, when we have the same experiment already happening with Wilson playing the SAM. We have greater needs and Orakpo is not a slam dunk.

Posted by: edvar | April 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

So what is the latest? I've been AWOL for a minute

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Cowherd just called Skin fans the most delusional in the entire league...I'm glad I usually take lunch later.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 20, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I am telling yall right now that they are not taking a LB or DE or OL in the first round. they will take Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State becase they love splashy signings and they will be releasing fred smoot next year.

you heard it hear first.

With the 13th pick in the 2009 draft the Washington Redskins take Malcom Jenkins CB Ohio State

Posted by: GreatOne1

This isn't a bad pick, CB's demand high salaries congruent with a #13 pick. We've done well selecting DB's in the 1st, one of the few things this FO has done consistently well.
The D Backfield was a strength of our #4 D and we lost Springs. Jenkins could play right away as a nickel back and Special teamer.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

F Cowturd he's a loser anyway, why are you listening to that trash?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 20, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"Need a big (275-300) beast at RDE, not a tweener at LB size that's going to get abused by RT's and TE's.

Posted by: chasgiffen"

Would you like to expand on this? Our run defense, especially to the weak side, was great last season. Our pass rush, especially from the defensive line, was one of the worst in the league. Why again would we need to focus on improving the weak side run game while ignoring the 4-man pass rush?

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

PSP -

Daniels and Wynn are old men with one year deals, Carter has two years. Picking up Tyson Jackson at 6'4" 296 would be a pretty good investment. There aren't ANY other DE's on the board with his size and strength. The guy is a specimen. Most are in the 270's or less.

I'm still leaning towards O line, but getting Tyson Jackson would NOT break my heart and cause me to swear off the redskins for life, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: edvar | April 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Doc Walker obviously spoke to Vinny this weekend about the draft (at some Joe Gibbs event) and said that while Vinny would not show his hand, they are VERY, VERY impressed with Sanchez. Seems to be they are more impressed with his personality than his football skillz. And that appears to be Snyder's problem with Campbell who is quiet and laid back.

Puhleez....Snyder! If you truly do not care about this team and the fans (as is becoming more evident) then sell the team to someone who does!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Sounds good Matt, may I nominate myself to receive the 1%?

Thanks!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 20, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"F Cowturd he's a loser anyway, why are you listening to that trash?"

Not by choice, believe me.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 20, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"I'm still leaning towards O line, but getting Tyson Jackson would NOT break my heart and cause me to swear off the redskins for life, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: edvar"

I'm not saying I don't want him. I'm saying if Orakpo and/or Maybin are available at the time, and if they are rated as better pro prospects than Jackson, then they should absolutely be selected over him. Now Jackson may be a better prospect than Maybin and Orakpo, and if that's the case, then Jackson should be selected. I have no problem with that. But he is not a bigger need, especially for this season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

".....I think he would be looking at drafting Tebow next year. Posted by: Lisa_R |"

Geez, that would take guts. The guy's a wonderful athlete, but as a pro QB, there are a million questions.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Get Ed! DM grad, he's the man.

Hail DeMatha...and the 'Skins

Posted by: brocknbone33 | April 20, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

F Sports

Posted by: chrislarry | April 20, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"if they are rated as better pro prospects than Jackson, then they should absolutely be selected over him."

I'm not picking on you but there comes a point where you need top make your own decisions based on how you evaluate the players and your own needs based on the system you run, not on some number somebody else came up with.

I don't care if Maybins got a higher "number", the guys 249 pounds. He's not going to dominate at LDE in the NFC East on a team running a 4-3 D. He might be a third down specialist or may be able to play LB, but I'm not betting the 13th pick in the draft on that.

He may be a terrific player elsewhere, but he's not the right guy for us, especially when you are passing on a guy who is uniquely larger and is only considered slightly lower "numerically". Take Jackson if that's what it comes down to.

Posted by: edvar | April 20, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree with 4th about Orakpo. They just rewrote Carter's contract this offseason so he isn't going anywhere due to his cap obligation. I really don't see Orakpo playing LDE in the skins defense except in pass down situations. They currently have 6 DEs on the roster and they do sound high on Rob jackson from last year's draft, so Orakpo is a luxury to me.

They need an OT or SLB IMO. Unless they trade up for someone I see the top 3 OTs gone at 13, so Cushing is the pick I like; he is the most versatile LB out there - he can chase sideline-to-sideline, is experienced and proven in coverage, and has played down in a 3-point stance as a pash rusher. I think he fits well with what the skins want their SLB to do. I'm not sold on teams trying to project DEs to linebackers, especially to a 4-3 defense where there are more coverage responsibilities.

Posted by: sysadb420 | April 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

From PFT

[Skins Bluffing On Sanchez Interest?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 1:02 p.m.

There are mounting rumors and reports that the Washington Redskins are interested in making a move into the upper reaches of the draft for a crack at USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Some league insiders, who are assessing the Redskins’ sudden interest in Sanchez in comparison to the team’s past pre-draft antics, believe that it’s very possibly a smokescreen.

Maybe it’s just part of a broader plan to motivate current starter Jason Campbell into becoming a high-end quarterback.

Or maybe the Redskins simply don’t want anyone to know what they actually plan to do with the 13th overall pick in the draft.

Frankly, we think that several of the teams linked to Sanchez might be bluffing. The Seahawks need a successor to Matt Hasselbeck, but they also need the next Walter Jones.

Our current guess is that the Seahawks are hoping to dupe someone into trading with the Chiefs at No. 3 to get Sanchez. If the Lions take quarterback Matthew Stafford, then one of the two premier left tackles — Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe — will still be on the board at No. 4.

We also think the Broncos are bluffing about a move into the top five for Sanchez. Coach Josh McDaniels just traded the face of the franchise, and the Belichick approach is to have no face of the franchise at all. So unless owner Pat Bowlen is pushing for another big-name quarterback (as Arthur Blank was doing a year ago in Atlanta — and they all got lucky when it worked out), there’s no reason for the Broncos to try to replace Cutler with Sanchez.]

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 20, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Need a big (275-300) beast at RDE, not a tweener at LB size that's going to get abused by RT's and TE's.

Posted by: chasgiffen"

Would you like to expand on this? Our run defense, especially to the weak side, was great last season. Our pass rush, especially from the defensive line, was one of the worst in the league. Why again would we need to focus on improving the weak side run game while ignoring the 4-man pass rush?

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 12:53 PM

He meant LDE. Where we had JT55 at. And Where Daniels use to play.

Why would you put a 260 punder out there to get blasted everytime?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Skins Bluffing On Sanchez Interest?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 1:02 p.m.
There are mounting rumors and reports that the Washington Redskins are interested in making a move into the upper reaches of the draft for a crack at USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Some league insiders, who are assessing the Redskins’ sudden interest in Sanchez in comparison to the team’s past pre-draft antics, believe that it’s very possibly a smokescreen.

Maybe it’s just part of a broader plan to motivate current starter Jason Campbell into becoming a high-end quarterback.

Or maybe the Redskins simply don’t want anyone to know what they actually plan to do with the 13th overall pick in the draft.

Frankly, we think that several of the teams linked to Sanchez might be bluffing. The Seahawks need a successor to Matt Hasselbeck, but they also need the next Walter Jones.

Our current guess is that the Seahawks are hoping to dupe someone into trading with the Chiefs at No. 3 to get Sanchez. If the Lions take quarterback Matthew Stafford, then one of the two premier left tackles — Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe — will still be on the board at No. 4.

We also think the Broncos are bluffing about a move into the top five for Sanchez. Coach Josh McDaniels just traded the face of the franchise, and the Belichick approach is to have no face of the franchise at all. So unless owner Pat Bowlen is pushing for another big-name quarterback (as Arthur Blank was doing a year ago in Atlanta — and they all got lucky when it worked out), there’s no reason for the Broncos to try to replace Cutler with Sanchez.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ATLCherokee | April 20, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

So, Casserly even said in his CBS interview that the Skins are going to deal with KC for the 3rd. Pioli ALWAYS traded down for more picks when he ran the Patriots.
So, that being the assumed case, what does Danny have to give up? He couldnt get a 2nd round pick for Campbell during the Cutler mess so, other than the 13th pick and Campbell whats the package? KC needs defense (run stopper). Skins really have no one that fits that bill. Rogers maybe.. but he wouldnt be classified as a run stopper.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 20, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care if Maybins got a higher "number", the guys 249 pounds. He's not going to dominate at LDE in the NFC East on a team running a 4-3 D."

When did I ever say Maybin was a LDE? I said he's a pass-rushing specialist with major upside. His future would be at RDE for the Redskins, and his immediate impact would be as a rotational player, largely on passing downs.

I'll make it clearer. The Redskins have one proven RDE. The Redskins have 2 proven LDEs. None of them are long-term players here. None of them are elite pass-rushers, only one of them is an above average pass rusher (Carter). As run-stuffers, one of them is elite (Daniels), the other two are above average for the positions they play (yes Carter is above average on the weak side against the run).

If you bring in Tyson Jackson, you haven't "upgraded" anything. You've only solidified the position long-term (which is a nice thing to have, no doubt). If you bring in an elite pass-rusher, you've upgraded one of the few major weaknesses of this defense AND solidified that weakness-turned-strength long term. Of course, both are contingent on the players actually panning out, which harkens back to me saying whichever prospect is rated higher should be selected. And just for the record, I thought I was making it implied that the Redskins should select whoever THEY have higher on their boards, not whoever the mock-drafters have higher. My earlier posts had nothing to do with my own view of who is higher, just based on who the Redskins view is higher. And NONE of those guys should be eliminated from the "big board."

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

F Sports

Posted by: chrislarry | April 20, 2009 1:11 PM

Take that SJK over to the Caps Blog....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I want O-line all the way, but if we go DE, I'd prefer an LDE (yes of course it depends on who's available etc etc, maybe it'll make more sense to get a higher-rated RDE. I'm just saying don't confuse the 2 animals and get a tweener for LDE.)

As far as LDE being "covered" this year, Daniels and Wynn are fossils, one is carbon-dated to 1,000 BC, the other to 2,000 BC. If we have to live with that (because we build the O-wall this year!), fine.

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young a skin maybe? :)

Posted by: Broman17 | April 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

"He meant LDE. Where we had JT55 at. And Where Daniels use to play.

Why would you put a 260 punder out there to get blasted everytime?

Posted by: 4thFloor"

You mean where Daniels "does" play. And again, I never said anything about those guys playing LDE. Their future, both immediate and long-term, is at RDE. First rotational, then as a mainstay.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I agree with JM.

The question is will they change their pick because:

a) this was some overall mis-information campaign to help execute the "real" draft strategy

or

b) the Danny will shy away from the Sanchez plash because, the word is out and it won't create a big plash at all. So there is a need make waves by doing something unexpected


I think b).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 20, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

PSP - You lost me on the last post.

At the end of the day, you think Orakpo and Maybin will even be on the Skins Big Board. I am saying they won't even be on the board because they don't fit a specific position nor need.

Maybin is a pass rush specialist, not a LDE, RDE, nor OLB. We need a complete player in those positions to start this year. Jackson and Ayers can do that.

So could Cushing and Curry........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

nope 4th, cl is right... F sports!

"F'n game is rigged..." for DC teams to fail - all the time.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Please be true Florio.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

You mean where Daniels "does" play. And again, I never said anything about those guys playing LDE. Their future, both immediate and long-term, is at RDE. First rotational, then as a mainstay.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:36 PM

But we don't need a RDE. A Lightweight. That would be a luxury for us year. We have way more immediate needs...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Please be true Florio.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 1:39 PM

It is true Ryp. I've been told before (I can't remember who and where but it is credible), that Vinny routinely leaks out inaccurate info to the Post and others.

Vinny is smarter than people think and I hope he proves everyone wrong with this draft coming up....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Maybin is a pass rush specialist, not a LDE, RDE, nor OLB. We need a complete player in those positions to start this year."

The only position we need a "complete" player to start this year is at OLB. LDE already has its starter in Daniels, RDE already has its starter in Carter. Both are equivalent in the roles that they play. Jackson is not an upgrade to Daniels, just a replacement. That's a good thing to have, I'm not arguing that, but if you're looking for an improvement, Jackson won't provide it unless he exceeds expectations as a pass-rusher. Maybin or Orakpo, even if they just reach their expectations (which is an impact via the pass-rush) they will have upgraded the defense. There is nobody on the roster that matches their skillset, regardless of age. That can't be said about Jackson, who's skillset matches that of Daniels.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but would they go to the trouble of flying everyone up to NY to eat with him if it was just a smokescreen?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey 4th,

What kind of cereal did you eat this morning?

"Vinny is smarter than people think...'

Haha. Don't get your hopes up.

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 20, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Please be true Florio.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009 1:39 PM

It is true Ryp. I've been told before (I can't remember who and where but it is credible), that Vinny routinely leaks out inaccurate info to the Post and others.

Vinny is smarter than people think and I hope he proves everyone wrong with this draft coming up....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:43 PM

++++++++++++++++
yeah..Vinny has been setting us all up for the last 10 years.. What a clever guy.. He has routinely thrown the Wash Post off by making terrible draft and Free Agent picks. We all fell for it.. Good Job Vinny.. You're had us fooled into thinking you couldnt judge football personnel.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 20, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Snyder asked Sanchez why he won't be in the "green room" at the draft in New York (wants to be with his family).

Soooo sorry Danny, Sanchez won't be on the auction block like a Rembrandt for you to show off. We need a freaking tackle you jerk. This had better be a ploy.,

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 20, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me the Skins are in the same position as Seattle. Their GM is looking for an impact player above all other considerations. Translation: play a lot right away, and measurably improve the teams overall performance on offense or defense. TDs, INTs, that sort of thing.

The exception, of course, is at QB. Those guys have to develop. You expect that and are surprised when one plays right away.

So forgetting position for a moment, who are the max impact players in this draft? I can tell you this: there aren't a whole lot of them.

Skins two big needs last season: pressure on the QB and pass receiving in the red zone.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

"But we don't need a RDE. A Lightweight. That would be a luxury for us year. We have way more immediate needs...

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Tell me how a heavy LDE is more of an immediate need than a pass-rusher when the team currently has 2 proven run-stuffing LDEs, but finished last season at the bottom of the league in sacks and turnovers? Sorry, I'm not seeing it. Not even close. Before we signed Daniels, sure, I was all about it. Not anymore. That "need" dropped from immediate to future. Still important, but not more so than upgrading the pass rush.

Remember Blache's quote; "This team couldn't sack groceries"...

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

This week, and this week only; I will try to prove that Vinny is sane.

If he fails, I have a feeling I will be instituted....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Skins two big needs last season: pressure on the QB and pass receiving in the red zone.

Posted by: Samson151"

Exactly -- only I'd add on protection of the QB as well.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

This week, and this week only; I will try to prove that Vinny is sane.

If he fails, I have a feeling I will be instituted....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow u think that peeps here will wait for him to fail.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is smarter than people think and I hope he proves everyone wrong with this draft coming up....

Posted by: 4thFloor
_____________________________

Hmm is it 420 day again already??

Posted by: chasgiffen | April 20, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If all the OTs are gone, then I would be happy if the Skins selected Jackson. He could replace Daniels next year and hopefully contribute on a rotational basis this year. Maybin would also be a good pick, however I'd play him at SLB and not RDE...

Posted by: siris | April 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, and this is a reach, but maybe Snyder is getting his big splash headlines now to stroke his ego and we'll end up w a RT on Saturday. This way he gets a week of headlines (and you know he liked leading off in PK's article) and then gets to say "Ha! I fooled you all!"

Posted by: countystyle | April 20, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember Blache's quote; "This team couldn't sack groceries"...

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 1:55 PM

That was last year. We'll see what everyone is doing this year.

I guess we don't see screen to screen on this. But we are another Daniels season ending injury away from the same SJK as last year. If we get Jackson, we should be straight and depend alot less on Daniels/Wynn.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Shout out to them detention boys back in '71...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 20, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I really doubt Orakpo will be available when the Skins pick at 13, but he would also be a good selection; if the top four OTs are already off the board. He could backup at RDE and play SLB.

Posted by: siris | April 20, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Right about it there Red. just under 2 to go.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but would they go to the trouble of flying everyone up to NY to eat with him if it was just a smokescreen?

Posted by: Rypien11 |
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they didnt fly to new york the restuarant is in D.C on vermont street the name just has ny in it

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

they didnt fly to new york the restuarant is in D.C on vermont street the name just has ny in it

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 20, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Wait so first Sanchez comes here, then Danny and him fly together to NY for dinner of some Veal Chops and then They fly to Vermont for a presumed gay marriage and Cheese and Maple Syrup orgy?

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

That's Vermont Ave.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

MY BAD 4TH YOU ARE CORRECT

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 20, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. I hate to be an A-hole on that BS, but I grew up riding up and down Vermont Ave back in the 90s and earlier in the decade. Good memories I tell ya. Gotta know how to hit them lights and you can be riding a few blocks with good sceneray and such as.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This from the Seahawks insider:

Report: Washington eyes Hawks No. 4 pick for Sanchez
Posted by Eric Williams @ 03:35:49 pm

Maybe the smokescreen did work.

Jason La Confora of the Washington Post reports (hat tip to Seahawks Addicts) that sources have told him the Washington Redskins, with the No. 13 pick, have sent out feelers to see what it would take to move up and take Seattle's No. 4 pick to select USC quarterback Matt Sanchez.

Here's an excerpt.

[More:]

Several sources have suggested the Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to get Seattle's pick, and the Seahawks, at this stage, would likely seek two first-round picks on the high end. That was a price the Redskins were willing to pay for Chad Johnson last year and Jay Cutler a few weeks back, although neither deal was completed.

If the market for those picks were to dry up and with not too many teams pushing to move into the top five, perhaps a first- and second-, or first- and third-round pick would get it done as the draft gets closer. I wouldn't expect any trade of this type to come down until 12-to-24 hours before the draft at the earliest. The Redskins could also peddle Jason Campbell in one of these trade scenarios, though K.C. and Seattle might not be interested. One thing that might work in the Skins' favor as well, several NFL sources pointed out, is that the bad blood between K.C.'s new boss, Scott Pioli, and the Jets might make it harder for those teams to get a deal done. Also, it's going to take more to move up from 17 than from 13.

Seattle obviously has a relationship with Washington head coach Jim Zorn, so that tie could help broker a trade. Also, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder reportedly is smitten with Sanchez.

Earlier this month Washington tried to get quarterback Jay Cutler in a trade with Denver, but the Broncos were not interested in Jason Campbell.

Trading down would be the dream scenario for the Seahawks. At No. 13, they probably still could get a decent offensive tackle like Mississippi's Michael Oher. And Missouri receiver Jeremy Maclin might be around.

However, if they manage to get to No. 13, I think the ideal candidates are Georgia running back Knowshon Moreno or Ohio State's Chris "Beanie" Wells. Both of those players could add some big-play ability to the offense.
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I guess if Snyder wants to trade up to get Sanchez, he could very well do it.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 20, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"so, perhaps getting a ProBowl level QB is the better option"

And what makes a pro-bowl level QB? Why was Brett Favre a pro-bowl level QB in Green Bay (where Aaron Rodgers threw for 4000+ yards and 24 TDs last season) but not in New York (where current pro-bowl caliber QB Chad Pennington was recently released for not being "pro-bowl" caliber)? Why was Kurt Warner a pro-bowl level QB in St. Louis and Arizona, but not for the Giants?

It's so simple to say getting a "pro-bowl" QB would be the answer. The problem is that there is no such inherent quality. It takes everybody on and off the field. Give Campbell a line that performed like it did in the first 8 weeks last season, and Campbell is a pro-bowl caliber QB. Give Campbell more than 2 WRs that can be depended on, and more than 1 that's a legitimate threat, and Campbell will be a pro-bowl QB. Give Campbell a consistent coach that can outsmart the opposing defensive coordinator to give his team the advantage on average and Campbell is a pro-bowl level QB.

Do it not, and he may struggle. Kind of like Warner, Favre, and Pennington when they weren't in their proper surroundings.

psps23 you are right on point. The same can be said for "franchise QBs". The organization/team defines a QB. If one or more of the main elements are lacking, the QB will lack as well. In the case of the Skins, we have too many areas lacking. Owner, GM, Head Coach, Offensive Coordinator, Offensive Line, receivers, etc... If we correct some of those problems we will have a probowl QB.

Posted by: SPUD2 | April 20, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins need to trade down immidiately because their is not one player in the draft that can take our team over the top that we would be able to draft at # 13 unless some how Curry falls which is highly unlikely. We need to trade down and aquire as many picks as we can. If Somehow this happens i would draft in this order T,LB,DE,G,RB-scatback,CB,K. I believe if this can happen properly Redskins nation would give Snyder a break because he trying to do is win and in the end thats all that matters. Tell me if you agree or disagree!!

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | April 20, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Tell me if you agree or disagree!!

Posted by: PardenMiSwage | April 20, 2009 2:52 PM

Agree AND disagree

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

SAM, LDE, MLB, RB is our current needs in order IMHO.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

‘Skins Bluffing On Sanchez Interest?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 1:02 p.m. EDT
There are mounting rumors and reports that the Washington Redskins are interested in making a move into the upper reaches of the draft for a crack at USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Some league insiders, who are assessing the Redskins’ sudden interest in Sanchez in comparison to the team’s past pre-draft antics, believe that it’s very possibly a smokescreen.

Maybe it’s just part of a broader plan to motivate current starter Jason Campbell into becoming a high-end quarterback.

Or maybe the Redskins simply don’t want anyone to know what they actually plan to do with the 13th overall pick in the draft.

Frankly, we think that several of the teams linked to Sanchez might be bluffing. The Seahawks need a successor to Matt Hasselbeck, but they also need the next Walter Jones.

Our current guess is that the Seahawks are hoping to dupe someone into trading with the Chiefs at No. 3 to get Sanchez. If the Lions take quarterback Matthew Stafford, then one of the two premier left tackles — Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe — will still be on the board at No. 4.

We also think the Broncos are bluffing about a move into the top five for Sanchez. Coach Josh McDaniels just traded the face of the franchise, and the Belichick approach is to have no face of the franchise at all. So unless owner Pat Bowlen is pushing for another big-name quarterback (as Arthur Blank was doing a year ago in Atlanta — and they all got lucky when it worked out), there’s no reason for the Broncos to try to replace Cutler with Sanchez.


I sure hope this is true....

Posted by: russberlin65 | April 20, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

How can you want a pro bowl caliber QB if your FO is not run like an Pro Bowl caliber FO.

all these Pro Bowl QB's have had a pro bowl caliber FO at one time during there tenure on their respective teams.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 20, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How can you want a pro bowl caliber QB if your FO is not run like an Pro Bowl caliber FO.

all these Pro Bowl QB's have had a pro bowl caliber FO at one time during there tenure on their respective teams.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | April 20, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but would they go to the trouble of flying everyone up to NY to eat with him if it was just a smokescreen?

Posted by: Rypien11

pocket change.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

SAM, LDE, MLB, RB is our current needs in order IMHO.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:59 PM
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So you fool good about the OL?

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 20, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

SAM, LDE, MLB, RB is our current needs in order IMHO.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 2:59 PM
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So you feel good about the OL?

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 20, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

SAM, LDE, MLB, RB is our current needs in order IMHO.
Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009

SAM: Thomas, Blades, Wilson, Fincher
LDE: Daniels, Wynn, Haynesworth, Jackson>
RB: Portis, Betts, Cartwright, new scat backs.

OT, G/C, G are our real current needs in that order.

No backup for Thomas and Dockery. Thomas wears a neck plate was almost crippled last year. NO backup for Rabach. No real starting right tackle. The "starter" should be the backup. Backup right tackle Jansen is now only effective in the running game. He has a lot of courage but he is pretty much almost done.

If they don't draft OL here is what will happen to the Redskins (apropos post from the Nationals blog):


And people fart on the airplane and it's horrible, and I had to call timeout on one because the stench was so bad that I just couldn't take it. The stewardess was spraying Lysol up and down and it was embarrassing. I said, look, go to the bathroom. There's no need for this! Have more respect for the person next to you! Stop farting!"

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Skins two big needs last season: pressure on the QB and pass receiving in the red zone.

Posted by: Samson151

how bout pass protection

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

the team currently has 2 proven run-stuffing LDEs, but finished last season at the bottom of the league in sacks and turnovers? Sorry, I'm not seeing it. Not even close.

LDE is all about run stuffing in Blache's system. That's why you now see a Daniels and Wynn.

What is Rob Jackson? He is a speedy pass rushing end who was drafted last year and last I looked is still on the roster? Why not see what he can do first before wasting yet more picks on roster places that have already been addressed. For believe it or not Haynesworth was at DE on most passing downs with Tennessee.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

4th - why can't Orakpo play a 4-3 OLB and/or a 4-3 LDE on 3rd downs?

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 20, 2009,/i>

He's falling because he is a weekend warrior. Too many injury issues.

We need an OT not a weekend warrior that will likely not even play next year!!

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

F u punk, you live in Va Beach by choice...idiot

It would be retarded to not think we're 1 piece away now, after a decade of our FO thinking that way.
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse


pabrian2003 stop making fun of me!!!! Youre seriously gona hurt my SJK'ing feelings.
So you are aligning yourself as a dan fan. A Vinny groupy. A very bold statement! And Im the idiot for living in the coolest city in Hampton Roads? Btw the women here are gorgeous. I hear the ones up in PA are generally missing teeth and have bad skin. Any truth to that?

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | April 20, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo's an immediate upgrade over the entire edge pass-rush, and would be a perfect rotational player for Blache along the defensive line. He absolutely fills an immediate need, and does it at the same time while providing a potential elite starter down the road.

Posted by: psps23

I think 13 is too high to draft a one-dimensional rotational player who "may become" an elite starter down the line when there are so many other needs for starters.

I wouldn't risk any LB pick at 13 save Maualuga or Curry, and that includes the USC guys, who seem better qualified as a linebacker than Orakpo.

I remain in favor of trading down for multiple picks.

Orakpo is no slam-dunk--hence the dropping. If the skins didn't have Andre Carter he might be worth risking as a RDE. But with Blatche, the LDE is best serviced by a big run stuffer.
If they're going for the best edge rusher, the expert I've watched seem to think Penn state's guy (Maybin) is quicker.

Like Sanchez, I think Okakpo's m,ay turn out to be a decent pick for some teams, just not the Redskins.


Posted by: TheCork | April 20, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Doc Walker obviously spoke to Vinny this weekend about the draft (at some Joe Gibbs event) and said that while Vinny would not show his hand, they are VERY, VERY impressed with Sanchez. Seems to be they are more impressed with his personality than his football skillz. And that appears to be Snyder's problem with Campbell who is quiet and laid back.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse


Well if that is the case, then I've got a solution:

Hire Mark Sanchez to take Larry Michael's job and DRAFT A TACKLE!!!

Posted by: p1funk | April 20, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I think we can forget trading down. It just isn't going to happen...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

best hope is that we take Oher @ 13. i think Danny is going to throw the sink at KC or Seattle for Sanchez

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The smokescreen argument from Florio made sense for Seahawks and Denver (trying to get someone to jump ahead of them to take Sanchez, and then their OT will be available).

There is no smokescreen logic that Florio can even present, besides a) trying to motivate JC or b) just don't want anyone to know who they want. If it is a) the FO is truly stupid. If it is b), I have an idea: don't tell anyone who you want! Redskins posturing for Sanchez does not increase at all the likelihood that an OT falls to 13 - Sanchez is already a lock for top 12 pick.

Anyone care to explain the real thought process here, besides the obvious answer?

Posted by: zornskins2 | April 20, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

RThomas had it fixed. The wonders of surgery. We can and will resign Kendell if we don't find a younger person. And we already have Rinehart. I don't think RT isn't as bad as most make it. We'll know on Saturday........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's draft day tricks are pretty pathetic. We all know what the skins are gonna do. Look back since Dan took over. I wish I had 2 billions dollars to buy this team from the geniuses. I wonder if we fans have enough money to buy redskins.

Posted by: thewayitis | April 20, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Let's just charge every season ticket holder $20,000, and we'd have our $2B.

But then everyone on RI gets a vote in how to run the team. Lots of ideas, some better than others. Any ideas on how we can reach a consensus?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 20, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

From Frank Hanrahan (Espn 980)

Talking Shop With the Big Wigs
Apr 20, 2009 -- 3:05pm
Just got confirmation..

Skins owner Daniel Snyder , VP of football ops Vinny Cerrato and coach Jim Zorn with our own Doc Walker...this Friday, with limited commercial interruption, at 5pm on Espn 980 and Espn980.com.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Could you imagine this group (myself included) trying to come to a consensus let alone run a team? we couldn't decide where to meet for dinner...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

From Frank Hanrahan (Espn 980)

Talking Shop With the Big Wigs
Apr 20, 2009 -- 3:05pm
Just got confirmation..

Skins owner Daniel Snyder , VP of football ops Vinny Cerrato and coach Jim Zorn with our own Doc Walker...this Friday, with limited commercial interruption, at 5pm on Espn 980 and Espn980.com.


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

OMG! like he's totally going to be there?!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

CAN SUM ONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT SJK STANDS FOR I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT?

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 20, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised if Chris Cooley isn't being used as trade bait, along with Jason Campbell, seeing how they also have Sleepy Davis, who no way now would bring a 2nd..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

OMG! like he's totally going to be there?!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:43 PM

But its before the draft. I'd rather talk to him AFTER the draft.

This is called a the tricks of snyder...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Cooley is trade bait no doubt, what other offensive player would yield any interest?

in my mind they are trying to offer a first this year, a 3rd next year and cooley to KC. Which would allow KC to move gonzalez for more picks. The issue is finding a taker for gonzalez. ATL will not meet Pioli's asking price so they are shopping him and trying to get Vinnie Danny to approve a 1st next year but we won't budge until after KC drafts Sanchez...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

OMG! like he's totally going to be there?!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:43 PM

But its before the draft. I'd rather talk to him AFTER the draft.

This is called a the tricks of snyder...

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

You know there are no tricks to this dude when it comes to the NFL. He will be sure to let redskin nation know that he has everything under control and that they have a contingency plan for every scenario. which = trade Campbell, draft Sanchez...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

what does "SJK" stand for??

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 20, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

What context was it used?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Could you imagine this group (myself included) trying to come to a consensus let alone run a team? we couldn't decide where to meet for dinner...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 20, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I think we could do it ok. Simple series of Seamonkey polls.

IE:
Should the Redskins Change their name
Yes
No

If they did change their name would you want them to keep the same Uniform, Colors and Logo?

Yes
No

If they did change their name what name would you be okay with. (rank)

Senators
Powhattan (may be misspelled)
Patomac
Warriors
Indians
Other

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

What genius! Someone on here said we should trade for Vince Young. Wow! This would instantly solve our OL problems since Vince don't need no stinkin' blockers. We could just put a whole herd of running backs in front of him and he could lateral back to one of them when he sweeps on by. Plus, Vince could be called Vinny and we could have two geniuses around Redskin Park with the nickname Vinny. We don't need no stinkin' young wide receivers since Vince can just run up to the old guys, take the lateral and run that ball into the end zone for them. The only thing we would need is a defense since Vince don't play it two ways. Man, I wish I would have thought of that.

Seriously, though. The really horrible thing is Redskins fan wake up in cold sweats in the middle of the night thinking Dan must think that way. Sanchez is just another bad dream, Dan. Go back to sleep and forget you ever had that revelation...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 20, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Snyder already has the copyrights to "The Warriors" (CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIT!!), obtained for a since defunct arena league team..The Washington Warriors- colors should be burgundy, gold ..AND BLACK!!

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Beat writer Mike Preston suggests that the Ravens could package Todd Heap and Willis McGahee in a deal for Anquan Boldin.


I would give cooley and betts

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 20, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Gotto love the team when 3rd party observers have this to say in their final thoughts:

9. The Patriots are in position to have the best draft. Scott Pioli is gone from the New England front office, but you still have to like Bill Belichick's chances to significantly boost his talented team with 11 picks at his disposal. The Patriots already signed running back help (Fred Taylor) and cornerback help (Shawn Springs, Leigh Bodden). They'll get Tom Brady back healthy, too. Considering they can inject needed depth and youth into their defense via the draft, New England will look like Super Bowl favorites again.

10. The Redskins are in position to have the worst draft. Washington has gotten into the bad habit of having fewer picks than there are rounds. This year, the total is five. To make matters worse, each of their division rivals has at least twice as many picks. The Eagles and Giants have 10 each; the Cowboys have 11.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tenfinalthoughtsbeforeth&prov=tsn&type=lgns

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | April 20, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's problem is that as a marketing guy he sees Sanchez and any player for their potential as an interstitial ad on Redskins.com and his other web sites. (Six Flags?) Clearly the Haynesworth pop up isn't working all that well.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Why did we get Colt Brennan if snyder is going to have a man crush on every QB that becomes available who isnt Jason Campbell while ignoring the QB he has behind him? Just goes to show what they think of their own former draft picks. JC and Colt were their picks and without giving either a chance to perform under one system longer than a year he wants to go and draft or trade for every QB whose name comes up. That tells me they dont have a clue. They just like the latest greatest name that they think will make fans interested. I can see snyder telling his family that I paid 800 million for this team and dammit I am going to pick who I want.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 20, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

COOLEY IS THE FACE OF THIS FRANCHISE WOULDNT TRADE HIM FOR ANYONE SHORT OF TOM BRADY/PEYTON MANNING

Posted by: all_this_bs | April 20, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Charles Barkley eating bread. My Lord this is ridiculously funny.

Laugh away the stress of this draft. We have just under 120 hours to go. Pace yourselves, otherwise some will crack before Saturday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O210voQbdZw

Posted by: will_ga | April 20, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Read "Gotto love the FO...." on the earlier post

Posted by: byThorbyOdin | April 20, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

No Paradise in Philly...........

Sheldon Brown Wants Out Of Philly?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 20, 2009, 4:07 p.m.
Just as it was beginning to feel like the Eagles had gotten their roster under control in the wake of an offseason that featured a trade of disgruntled cornerback Lito Sheppard and the arrival of two new starting offensive tackles, turmoil could be on the immediate horizon.

ESPN reports that cornerback Sheldon Brown, who became a starter last year after Asante Samuel arrived and Sheppard was demoted, now wants to be traded.

Oy.

Brown is due to receive base salaries of $2 million, $2.5 million, $3.5 million, and $4.25 million over the next four seasons — not bad money but not hardly the kind of coin a starting NFL cornerback should be getting.

Brown’s not the only guy who could be grumbling.

According to the Philadelphia Daily News, guard Shawn Andrews might want a new contract, given the big piles of money recently given to the new right tackle (who also happens to be Shawn Andrews’ brother) and the new left tackle (who also happens to be Shawn Andrews’ former college teammate).

The problem arises from that ill-advised decade-long deal that the Eagles gave to Andrews several years ago. The package now appears to be grossly substandard, with salaries of $750,000 in 2009, $2 million in 2010, $2.5 million in 2011, $2.75 million in 2012, $3.75 million in 2013, and $5.25 million in 2014.

In contrast, Stacy Andrews is due to earn base salaries of $1.62 million, $2.95 million, $4.75 million, $5.57 million, $7 million, and $6.75 million over the next six years.

And Jason Peters is getting an average of $10 million per year on a six-year deal.

So we can understand why Shawn Andrews would be pissed off.

Then again, we still can’t understand why Shawn Andrews signed such a long-term deal. Or why his agent let him do it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if any of this got to us here on the blog. Very VERY Disturbing: http://life.atlantafalcons.com/index.php?showtopic=3842031

"USC OLB Clay Matthews reportedly created a Facebook group during his junior season called "White Nation," which showed a photo of an African American baby in handcuffs.
Under the picture was a caption saying "arrest black babies before they become criminals." It also said "This group is not for the faint of heart. All members are athletes of Caucasion descent. We are just doing our duty of protecting the Arian brotherhood." Brian Cushing, K David Buehler, and former Redskins draft pick Dallas Sartz joined the group. The athletic dept. billed the group as a joke. Matthews later issued a formal apology."

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AllThatSkins | April 20, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

alex - Here's more. I think he's ok.

More On The Clay Matthews “White Nation” Issue
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2009, 12:30 p.m. EDT
Our recent dusting off of the whole “White Nation” Facebook controversy involving two former USC players in the current NFL draft class prompted coverage of the issue by various major outlets.

So we’re compelled to present the other side of the story with some facts we have picked up since posting the initial story.

For starters, it appears clear to us that the whole thing was a joke. Though it wasn’t the kind of joke that will result in Stu Chermak or Jay Crespi suggesting a possible pilot with NBC, it was a joke.

As we now understand it, the “White Nation” label was given to the white special teams players by assistant USC coach Todd McNair, who is black.

Matthews’ former roommate at USC and one of his best friends is Bengals linebacker Keith Rivers, who is black.

Matthews’ long-time girlfriend is black.

Finally, and as several readers have pointed out, Matthews’ wouldn’t have survived for two years in a locker room including multiple black players if Matthews were a closet racist.

So while the joke was in our view stupid and unfunny, it wasn’t the product of a racist mindset. And it shouldn’t affect Matthews’ draft stock.

Unless a team is trying to replace the in-house comedian who signed elsewhere during free agency.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if any of this got to us here on the blog. Very VERY Disturbing:
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Not really. Read up more on it. It was a stupid locker room joke that shouldn't has made its way out of the locker room.

Some of the highlights of the rebuttal include: a black coach gave the name to the white players (I think they were special teamers), black teammates including Sedrick Ellis spoke out in defense of the guys, and Clay Matthews has reportedly had a black girlfriend.

He's not a racist. He's a college kid that's having fun with racial milieus amongst his peers in a distinctly non private venue.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 20, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

4th.
I read the whole thing about it being a joke. But still disturbing and stupid, and the fact is they should have maybe not used the racist pic for the facebook page, an obvious non-understanding of the basics of humor.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 20, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The Skins should ask themselves one question prior to the draft, about each position.

Do I have a competent player at this position (ie TE, RB, RT, etc) who I can keep on this team for 2 or more years?

If the answer is 'yes', don't waste time in the draft on that position. If the answer is 'no', look to draft someone at that position.

For the Skins, the answer to that question is 'No' at the following spots:
OLB
DE
RT
RG
#2 WR

The answer is maybe at several other spots, notably on the OL, Portis and Fletcher.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

J. Peters gave up 11.5 sacks last year?? Sounds like the Eagles are settin up fer a dive..

Posted by: frak | April 20, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The Skins need to focus on depth in the later rounds. Hopefully, a starting RT and SLB can be found in the first and third rounds. They should draft backups at C, RG, and CB. Signing combo players like a C/RG or RG/RT would allow them to keep more skill players...

Signing another LDE could be a luxury this year. There is already a surplus of backup DEs with Wynn, Wilson, Jackson, and Buzbee. Wynn could move inside to DT on passing plays. Wilson is a speed rusher who is trying out for SLB. He could be very good in that role if he can tackle in space and cover TEs/RBs. Jackson has promise as a backup RDE. And Buzbee is pretty much an unknown who has two years of "experience".

Posted by: siris | April 20, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"I think 13 is too high to draft a one-dimensional rotational player who "may become" an elite starter down the line when there are so many other needs for starters.

Posted by: TheCork"

Yes, I agree. The reason for those posts was because I didn't agree with others' opinions that the "smaller" DEs should be removed from the board completely. I'd rather have any of the top 4 OTs, any of the other 3 "elite" players (Curry, Raji, or Crabtree), and Maybin before I'd take a chance on Orakpo. But if he was the best that was left, and there were no offers for trading down, I wouldn't hesitate to grab him.

On a separate note, I don't trust any of the other LBs outside of Curry with #13. I think there are 13 better options for the Redskins, given need and prospective ability, so I'd rather not take those guys unless a trade occurred.

Posted by: psps23 | April 20, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Alex - I agree. You don't play with Facebook. Sarcasim and jokes like that should stay within the locker room and never reach the cyber-world where they don't always translate in the original meaning. It's just going to be a hard lessoned learned for those kids because it will follow them for a while.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 20, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh proably understood as much about greatness in a QB as any coach or GM ever has. Montana, Young and Garcia were his QBs for SF.

Still, Walsh thought Jim Druckenmiller was going to be the guy to replace Steve Young. Thought Jake Plummer was going to be the next great QB.

If Bill Walsh struggled to figure out who would make a great QB, why would anyone think Danny Snyder can?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 20, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Bill Walsh proably understood as much about greatness in a QB as any coach or GM ever has. Montana, Young and Garcia were his QBs for SF. Still, Walsh thought Jim Druckenmiller was going to be the guy to replace Steve Young. Thought Jake Plummer was going to be the next great QB.If Bill Walsh struggled to figure out who would make a great QB, why would anyone think Danny Snyder can? "

Yes, a little humility is in order when you start predicting success for QBs.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

frak: "J. Peters gave up 11.5 sacks last year?? Sounds like the Eagles are settin up fer a dive.."

Yes, there's got to be something Andy Reid knows that the rest of us don't, or this could backfire. Reid's offense relies on the pass, with Westbrook running against certain defensive sets. Maybe he's going to switch to a more run-oriented approach. And Andrews, the other guy they signed, is not all that different.

Hope I'm not repeating myself to note that Peters started as a TE/ special teams wedgebuster and is best out in front of a running play. He really stank it up as a pass blocker the past season. Maybe that was part of the general malaise surrounding his contract negotiation. Buffalo management can do that to a player.

I guess I expected the Iggles to hold on to the pick and grab somebody like Eben Britton.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo, on the other hand, may have come out of this smelling like a rose, depending on who they get with that 1st and 4th rounder.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Mayock's Top 20:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80d41b6d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I know a lot of people up here respect Mayock's opinions, and he seems to love Robert Ayers...

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 20, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Yoder, is it me or does Monroe look like a complete beast? When I first saw that pic I thought "that is one big a$$ linebacker"...what a specimen

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | April 20, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

""USC OLB Clay Matthews reportedly created a Facebook group during his junior season called "White Nation," which showed a photo of an African American baby in handcuffs."

If true, joke or not, old Clay Jr. just cost himself a million bucks.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead: "I like the fact that the Redskins are looking at Maryland offensive lineman again. They need to do a better job of hanging on to them once they get them, however. Last year, they let Crummey sign off the practice squad to another team. I think the guy was a decent run blocker with some things to learn about pass blocking, but he definitely had potential. "

Thanks for an interesting post. I never heard of any of those guys. They don't sound like draft picks to me -- more like FAs with a chance at a practice squad. What they lack is speed (which is what Greg Toler has), and that often is the crucial reason small school players don't make the jump to the NFL. It's not the skills or the hitting -- it's keeping up with the play.

About those Maryland linemen: I like Edwin Williams. I think he's better than Crummey, and certainly a lot healthier. I wish Andrew the best but I'd always be wondering, is this the play where it all crashes down?

Williams can play center and he can pass-block, and Maryland trains them well.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

So while the joke was in our view stupid and unfunny, it wasn’t the product of a racist mindset. And it shouldn’t affect Matthews’ draft stock.

Posted by: 4thFloor

I agree it was bad judgement, not racism, but the history of the draft shows that ALL rumors can affect a player's draft stock.

Posted by: TheCork | April 20, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

He's not a racist. He's a college kid that's having fun with racial milieus amongst his peers in a distinctly non private venue.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza

I'm convinced the kid isn't racist. What I'm not convinced about is his judgement. This kind of stupidity is a Red Flag.

But sometimes a harsh lesson learned can jolt someone, and if he drops he may end up a bargain for a team that trusts he's learned his lesson.

If he drops to the second or third round, and the 'skin have a pick there from a trade down, and have picked up an OLman or two...

Posted by: TheCork | April 20, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

frak: "J. Peters gave up 11.5 sacks last year?? Sounds like the Eagles are settin up fer a dive.."

Yes, there's got to be something Andy Reid knows that the rest of us don't, or this could backfire. Reid's offense relies on the pass, with Westbrook running against certain defensive sets.

Really? Then I guess the Redskins are setting themselves to take a dive because Dockery allowed the 2nd most sacks in the league as a guard WITH THE SAME TEAM! Keep up people! Maybe it was Buffalo, the quarterbacks, the system? Maybe that's one reason why Peters wanted to leave because his ranked as 1 of the top 4 left offensive tackles in the league.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

We need 2 OLs

an OT and a C/G.

If the top OT's are gone, we could still take Britton or Beatty. And, get the C/G in the 3rd.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 20, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Where do these sports writers find these guys? Try CECIL NEWTON C 6' 2" 302 TENNESSEE STATE FA sleeper. Fast, flexible, solid blocker. You won't have to waste a pick at all. Unless he's drafted of course. Heh,heh.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 20, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Each week, the Beast stops down for John Clayton's expanded mailbag. In today's edition, a gentleman from Missouri asked him about Redskins owner Dan Snyder's interest in Mark Sanchez -- or any other quarterback not named Jason Campbell:

Q: I can't figure out why the Redskins are in the middle of all these quarterback talks. Now there is talk of them looking at Sanchez. I know that when people think of the QB situation in Washington, they come up with Jason Campbell and Todd Collins, but Colt Brennan is the future of this team. That's right, I said it.

Mike in Hannibal, Mo.

Clayton: Here's the explanation. Joe Gibbs sold Dan Snyder on the idea that Jason Campbell could develop into a franchise quarterback. Snyder recognizes that a franchise quarterback is the key to the success of any team. Gibbs is gone, and Snyder isn't sure Campbell is his franchise quarterback. Campbell can still win over Snyder, but Snyder wanted Jay Cutler. He'll consider Sanchez. I don't think he views Brennan as a franchise quarterback. Brennan's arm isn't considered strong enough, but he could develop into a decent backup.

I've set up a phone conversation with Vinny Cerrato for later this week. I'll let you know what he has to say.

So, we have Doc Walker and Matt Mosely on the case. Where is our intrepid duo plus Cindy?

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Intrigue surrounds Chiefs, Sanchez

Apparently we're starting to see who will become the fulcrum upon which this year's draft oscillates. It's USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, and as teams vie to get into a solid position to draft him, the fate of franchises could hang in the balance.

Both the Seattle Seahawks, the team sitting at fourth in the first round, and the Cleveland Browns, sitting fifth, have been doing their due diligence on Sanchez, and some indications are that either team would be happy to take Sanchez if he were available at those positions. Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post reports that the Browns could be trading Brady Quinn sometime this week in order to make room for Sanchez on Saturday. As mentioned above, the Denver Broncos are holding a private workout with Sanchez on Tuesday, and they could possibly be looking to trade up to strengthen their chances. Lastly, in a scenario spelled out by Peter King in his Monday Morning Quarterback column today, the Washington Redskins are apparently very smitten with Sanchez, and could trade up to get him as well.

What all of this means is that Kansas City Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli is in an enviable position. The rumor is that Pioli was uncomfortable with the No. 3 pick to begin with, and this increasing wave of interest in Sanchez means that he could be deciding between multiple generous offers from teams looking to jump ahead of the Seahawks and Browns. As King noted in his column, from 2000 to 2008 while Pioli was with the New England Patriots, the team completed 28 draft weekend trades, 12 times moving up and 16 times moving down. In other words, this is not a man who will have cold feet when it comes time to pull the trigger on a swap.

Taking into account the possible ammunition that another team could offer, the Broncos are a more likely trading partner compared with the Redskins. However, given the need for help on the defensive side of the ball, the Broncos could stick with their two first-rounders and let the Redskins overpay for the No. 3 pick. In any case, with the third overall pick likely to earn a paycheck in the neighborhood of $11 million per year, and the Chiefs in possession of a solid if still somewhat green quarterback, a trade is likely before Saturday.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's all hope the Detroit Lions keep their 1st pick and draft Mark Sanchez #1 instead of Stafford.

Posted by: periculum | April 20, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael said on Redskins Nation that Snyder, Cerrato and Zorn will hold their "annual pre-draft press conference" on Wednesday. So I guess this is in addition to the interview with Doc Walker on Friday.

Interesting also...Larry has stated several times that the Skins need to draft a player at #13 who can start....that certainly does not sound like he is on the Sanchez bandwagon...and we all know Larry is Pro Skins on everything they do.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 20, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Then I guess the Redskins are setting themselves to take a dive because Dockery allowed the 2nd most sacks in the league as a guard WITH THE SAME TEAM! Keep up people! Maybe it was Buffalo, the quarterbacks, the system? Maybe that's one reason why Peters wanted to leave because his ranked as 1 of the top 4 left offensive tackles in the league.Posted by: periculum"

The whole Bills offensive line gave up too many sacks (including Dockery). But a couple things to remember:
1. Docker's a guard. The left tackle is the team's primary QB protector against most schemes. Not the only, but the primary.
2. Dockery's first and formeost a powerful run blocker. Like Peters. I wondered why they signed him if they're primary need is for better pass blocking.
3. Now that you mention it, Peters might turn out to be a better guard than tackle. But guards don't get paid as much, and Peters really, really wants to get paid. A lot.
4. If Andy Reid wants to play the offense he's been playing, he probably would have done better with an exceptional pass blocker. But maybe there wasn't one available. Or maybe he plans to emphasize the run game.
5. Periculum spends way too much time reading 'expert' opinions. And copying them out for others to read, too. Unless there's a Pultizer for cutting and pasting, I mean.

I have no idea what was going through Andy's mind when they signed Andrews and Roberts. But I assume he has a plan. I'm just pointing out it looks different than past plans.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 20, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Pick up Sanchez and you still have no blocking, a no brainer, draft an OT.....PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: forbesv | April 20, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

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