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Payton award goes to Brian Waters

(Updated at 6:17 p.m.)

When the Walter Payton Man of the Year award was announced just before kickoff of Super Bowl XLIV, Redskins linebacker London Fletcher's name was not called.

Fletcher was one of the three finalists for the annual award, but Kansas City's Brian Waters was this year's recipient. Waters was also a finalist in 2007.

Don't expect to hear any sense of disappointment cross Fletcher's lips. He'd said several times this week how honored he was simply to be nominated by his teammates and selected as one of three finalists. (Cleveland's Mike Furrey was the other finalist.)

Fletcher said earlier this week he enjoyed time in South Florida. Last weekend, he played in his first Pro Bowl, and he and his family enjoyed the the days leading up to the Super Bowl. Fletcher met with the commissioner, appeared at a news conference for the Man of the Year Award and attended owner Daniel Snyder's Super Bowl
party in Miami.

By Rick Maese  |  February 7, 2010; 5:21 PM ET
 
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm I they only one still snowed in??

S. O. S.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

A lot of the snow we got in O-HI!-Oh melted because it was 33-ish.

Are you guys back in D.C. awaiting a U.N. mission or such as?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 7, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Poor Fletch...Always the bridesmaid.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Poor Fletch...Always the bridesmaid.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 6:13 PM

I respectfully disagree. There are 1600 players in the NFL. Only three of them got to stand on the stage as a finalist. That's a real honor. Fletcher realizes it.

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 7, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

LF-B already knows how it feels to be snubbed going back several years thanks to the voters of the pro bowl. Always the class act and consummate professional.

On another note, this Skin fan is rooting for NO to win the SB. Go Saints!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 7, 2010 6:19 PM

Sarcasm, is hard to tell from text...

I was merely mocking the fact that he has always been unappreciated.

To be nominated for this award is clearly a honor.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised by Peyton's movement in the pocket despite the pressure the D-line is giving him.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Not my kind of Bud, but nice commercial...

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

TEBOW COMMERCIAL CITED!

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

hahaha. nice bears remake!

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Tebow commercial was pretty vanilla for all those who were sooooooo in angst.

That Bears commercial was really sick as in horrible.

Like the Snickers though.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Saints newbies seem nervous. Colston should've caught that pass.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

if the Saints offense doesnt start getting something going quickly, this gonna be over at halftime.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

if the Saints offense doesnt start getting something going quickly, this gonna be over at halftime.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 7:02 PM

Saints always start slow. They will pick things up starting w/this drive.

(hoping!)

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Gregg didn't prepare very well for the Colts' running game.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree....

Tim Tebow commercial was as vanila as can be....I had no problem with it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The Who for halftime. Excellent.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

These dudes gotta be 70...at least!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Best commercial so far is the bridge for the beer truck.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 7, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd recommend Pink for next year's Superbowl halftime show.

Posted by: Vicc | February 7, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Saints pull it out.

Jeremy Shockey deserves his ring.

Posted by: Vicc | February 7, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Roger Daltrey was lip syncing. It was pretty bad since it was so obvious.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

That new Robin Hood flick actually looks good.

I do like Russell Crowe as an actor though.

Posted by: Vicc | February 7, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Whoa onside kick by the Saints.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

What a start, GO WHO DAT!!!!

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Peyton has only 97 to Drew's 200 yards.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Now that is some coaching by Peyton.

"We play to win the game!" is how all coaches should coach!

Go Saints!

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Whoa.

Posted by: Vicc | February 7, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who dislikes the NFL quite blatantly showing its support for the Saints?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse


VW has my vote so far, the kid with the old man was hilarious.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

They've put Peyton on a pedastal the past two weeks. I think its been sorta even so far.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. They make it seem like the Saints are on some sort of Divine mission to "save" New Orleans. I mean, they're just a football team. And "The Who" for halftime? I mean, come on. "Who Dat?"

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Joseph Addai is having a beast of a game. Worst running game is lighting it up. He's got 79 yards on 10 carries.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Right call for once by the booth, although the Saints have had more than their fair share go their way..

i.e. skins game and 2 weeks ago

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Game over. Typical Peyton playoff mistake.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

GG's D getting it done! Go Saints!

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Is that a chink in the tiara of the greatest QB of all time I see?

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Saints have won the Super Bowl.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Who Dat?

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Besides Brees, the star of the game is . . . wait for it . . .

Double G!!!!!!!

Mull on that, Danny Boy!

Posted by: farstriker | February 7, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Who Dat say gonna beat Dem SAINTS.

Brees has as many rings as the greatest QB of all time. Does that put him in the elite bracket?

YES YES YES

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel has a SB ring, is Leigh torrence still with the saints? If he is his legend grows.

Posted by: AnthonyMix | February 7, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

lol at lavar arrington who said there's no way the saints could figure out peyton and that there was NO chance the saints win. lol!!

Posted by: rachel216 | February 7, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

AnthonyMix: lol, yes leigh torrence is on the saints. wow...

Posted by: rachel216 | February 7, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Drew Brees is definitely the MVP. His performance for the Saints was the only one that stuck out like a sore thumb.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Besides Brees, the star of the game is . . . wait for it . . .

Double G!!!!!!!

Mull on that, Danny Boy!

Posted by: farstriker | February 7, 2010 9:45 P

Yes GG is a great defensive coordinator; yet he hasn't proven to be much of a HC. In fact I'd give the credit to Payton before GG for this win.

Posted by: TWISI | February 7, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Nice performance by Brees and the Saints. Good job by GG staying aggressive.

Too bad the commercials did not match their performance.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It looks like there will be some fresh new Colts shirts bound for Haiti.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel, Brunnell, Gregg Williams, Pierson Prioleau...starring in "Escape from Alkatraz..er..Ashburn, VA"...
Congrats.. to all.. they now have Super Bowl Rings..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 7, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 9:57 PM

lol...will look nice w/the Loyd, Archuleta and JTaylor redskins jerseys already over there.

Posted by: Curzon417 | February 7, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

SkinsneedaGM: and our old friend leigh torrence. actually he's on IR...

Posted by: rachel216 | February 7, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

"1) Of the following Hall of Fame QB's who have no SB rings...who is the best?a)Fran Tarkenton b)Dan Fouts c)Jim Kelly d)Dan Marino"


Kelly went four times, Tarkenton three, Marino once (early in his career), and Fouts never. Better to compare Kelly to Fran, and the two Dans to one another.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 7, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I dunno. They make it seem like the Saints are on some sort of Divine mission to "save" New Orleans. I mean, they're just a football team. And "The Who" for halftime? I mean, come on. "Who Dat?"

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 8:36 PM
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dude..this was the NFL PR Super Bowl..

Just look at the calls against the Vikes two weeks ago... Saints were ordained to win!!

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 7, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Pretty good Superbowl. I thought the call for the onside kick at the beginning of the second half was the ballsiest thing I have seen in a Superbowl. No wonder the players give it their all for him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2010 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Rach..
COMING SOON>..
Chase Daniel, Brunnell, Gregg Williams, Pierson Prioleau, Leigh Torrence...starring in "Escape from Alkatraz..er..Ashburn, VA"...


Congrats.. to all.. they now have Super Bowl Rings..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 7, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The NFL has got to do a better job for halftime shows instead of 70 year old eons-past-their-prime rock stars. I like the Who's music, but it is just laughable to see these guys try to hop around on the stage at their age. I get the feeling there was a walker and an AED sitting in wait just off the stage. Pathetic.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | February 7, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Tony Dungy also looks like an idiot now.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

RSH,that call turned the game. The pick six finished it.

Posted by: msrent | February 7, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Tony Dungy also looks like an idiot now.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 10:08 PM

Now?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Typo.

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Now?

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 10:12 PM

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | February 7, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

re: The Who, hopefully the NFL "won't get fooled again". That performance was pretty bad.

Posted by: msrent | February 7, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Its been 30 minutes since the end of the Super Bowl.. Why does RI still lead with

"Payton award goes to Brian Waters" ?????

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 7, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Can the Peyton Manning worshipping stop now?

Oh and no more Archie, Dude was an average NFL QB who participated in the conception of 2 NFL QBs who are better. Enough...he offers nothing and bores me.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"Oh when the Saints, come marching in, oh when the Saints come marching in......"

Sean Peyton has some big balookas, making some gutsy calls in the game, mainly the onside kick, congrats to the Saints, they deserved it. Also nice to see Peyton"Perfect"Manning knocked off his high horse.

Posted by: 72Redskins | February 7, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Dude was an average NFL QB who participated in the conception of 2 NFL QBs who are better. Enough...he offers nothing and bores me.

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 10:22 PM
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Archie Manning.. MVD Award..

Most Valuable DNA ....

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 7, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Will Wilbon eat his words tomorrow??

Posted by: msrent | February 7, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Greggggg Williams....

**Take this SB Trophy and shove it up your A$$ SNYDER!!!**

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow...Just Wow...

Leigh Torrence
Greggg Williams
MArk Brunell
Chase Daniels
Peirson Pray-Low


JLaC has to be smiling in a I told you so way somewhere....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I guess they ain't the Ain'ts anymore. Burborn street is going to be an absolute mess...

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Feh. Enjoy the game for what it was, not for what it means -- or doesn't -- to the skins.



No more football for months.

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I guess they ain't the Ain'ts anymore. Burborn street is going to be an absolute mess...

Posted by: Diesel44 | February 7, 2010 11:11 PM

Mardi Gras just started a little early is all. Let the good times roll.

Posted by: HPYTRKR1 | February 7, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Great game, but that pick-6 should have come back to the the Saints 40 yard line. Total illegal block in the back delivered to Peyton at mid-field as he was trying to make the tackle.

Saints would have won anyway...

Gutsy coaching from Sean Payton. Hats off.

Posted by: edvar | February 7, 2010 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the Saints' kicker was money tonight from long distance. Congratulations to Gregg Williams.

Posted by: coparker5 | February 8, 2010 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrence
Greggg Williams
MArk Brunell
Chase Daniels
Peirson Pray-Low


JLaC has to be smiling in a I told you so way somewhere....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2010 10:52 PM


Not sure why JLC would be smiling, considering the only person on that list who had any major impact on that team was Williams. The rest of 'em are role players at best.

Anyways, big congrats to the "Who Dat Nation", God knows that franchise and that city have suffered greatly over the years and they deserve their day in the sun.

So in keeping with the "Hell Freezing Over" trend in the NFC (the Cards and Saints in the big game back to back years???), my pick for the NFC in 2010 is the Detroit Lions. You heard it here first.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

2010 dRAFT

Find any way to trade for the Seahawks 2 first round picks (Trade down Plus a player)
Take OT Davis or Okung @ #6 and take OG Mike Iutapi #14. Pick up Charles Brown OT #36 in the 2nd. In FA pick up an OG coming off rookie contract (Pay him). Get center & Guard depth next year. Championship line for the next 10 years. Oh yeah, pick up an O-linemen in every draft from here on out. fill other needs in FA this year. Spend a year getting this line playing together and seeing if JC can play behind a good or great line. Then go get your "skill" players.

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 8, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

BHC, I seriously doubt that Seattle trade happens (#6 and #14 is a pretty steep price to move up a whole two spots), but I agree that this team needs to load up on young, OL talent this year. Throwing the first two picks at OL help is the best course of action, IMO. Especially when I'm not that impressed with this QB class.

As much as it makes sense to go Okung at #4, I can just feel them going QB there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

No more football for months.

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2010 11:27 PM |
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NFL Combine is Feb. 24-March 2 at Indianapolis.

NFL draft Round 1: Thurs., April 22, 7:30 p.m. ET

Come on, daggar. The off-season IS our season.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | February 8, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Bwood,
You make this trade happen, If you have to give up some skill players currently on the roster, you do it. there are only 5-6 players you don't trade, everyone else is trade bait.
"Orackpo"
Davis or Cooley
JC (this year)
D Hall
LLandry (back to SS will be all-pro)
These are the only ones you don't trade. Seahawks need lots. With this scenario you have the opportunity to get a line with-in 2 years

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 8, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

I hear you BHC, but switch it around for a minute...if Seattle calls the Redskins asking for a trade like that going the other way would you want it then? I know I wouldn't...and I'd be shocked if Seattle does too.

And I think a lot of folks up here are pretty delusional when it comes to what we could expect to see in return for the aging talent we're trying to get rid of. Your list of untradeables also happens to be the list of guys that actually have some trade value here (save for DHall). To get two top 15 picks from a team, you'd better be giving up either A) an All-Pro player and another 1st round pick or B) a sh*tload of draft picks. Neither of which the Redskins can afford to part with.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Here's the real question:

What was your take on the 2 point catch?

I thought the replay corrected the refs error, because it was a catch....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Trade players, get picks. Trade down, get picks.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, 4th. I can see how they called it incomplete at first, but the replay clearly showed it was a completed catch by the time the defender kicked it out of his hands.

Sure was good to see New Orleans get that win. That franchise and that fanbase sure needed it.

Plus it cements Manning as one of the least clutch QBs out there. I mean, is there another player (outside of Favre) that has such big regular season numbers and yet craps the bed in so many big playoff games as Manning does?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Bwood,
You make this trade happen, If you have to give up some skill players currently on the roster, you do it. there are only 5-6 players you don't trade, everyone else is trade bait.
"Orackpo"
Davis or Cooley
JC (this year)
D Hall
LLandry (back to SS will be all-pro)
These are the only ones you don't trade. Seahawks need lots. With this scenario you have the opportunity to get a line with-in 2 years

Posted by: boysheadcoach | February 8, 2010 6:43 AM |

Agreed on all but Laron. He's only proved that he can't be coiached and has too much ego. Not sold on him being any good anywhere.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on all but Laron. He's only proved that he can't be coiached and has too much ego. Not sold on him being any good anywhere.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Well not my GRAY or BLATCHE anyway. Maybe he just didn't trust their judgement. Yee-Haw good buddy.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

BTW, all you GREGG WILLIAMS haters, how'd his half-time adjustments work for you? What do you think of his coaching now? Still think that pick was an accident? Yee-haw good buddies.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the Saints!!!!

We have been saying it all along...if Greg Williams had an offense, that could have been us.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

What the heck is up with Wilbon?Did anyone read his "World Wide WIlbon" bit?

Half the bit was Wilbon name-dropping and droning on and on about his sport-event access and ESPN royal treatment.

Is it just me or has he become a big-time sports snob in the Peter King mold?

And a big "HA-HA" goes out to Tony Dungy this morning as well. His protege Caldwell was thoroughly outcoached by Payton.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Glawrence...

I was never a Williams hater. But let's get this straight right now...he would not be a Super Bowl winning coach here...he had nowhere near the talent level on offense he had here and was younger and faster on defense in N'awlins!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Peter King on Russ Grimm getting into the HOF:

I always thought a Hog should be in the Hall because Washington's offensive line is the best over time of the last 30 years. Grimm's resume isn't as deep as some of the offensive linemen we've elected, obviously, but injuries cut short two of his 11 seasons, and in the other nine, he missed only eight games. Played four positions, made the all-decade team of the eighties, and was the one guy on the Redskins I always remember Bill Parcells saying of, "If we let this guy have a good day, we'll lose." ..... Grimm's the guy I'm happiest for after this year's balloting.


Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 8, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams' defense played well, but with the Saints, it's the offense that wins the games. Same's true with the Colts.

You figure that when you have offensive capabilities like these two clubs have, the defense can take a certain number of chances based on the idea that if they fall behind, the QB can bring them back quickly. You might not take all those risks on defense -- the chancy blitzes, the attempts to get turnovers -- if you figured your offense was going to need six minutes to get a field goal. The clock would work against you.

That's what's odd about Indy - they play a very conservative scheme that emphasizes keeping the receiver in front of you and not giving up the big play. You can't argue with their record, but they've not played that well this season, and probably should have finished with two more losses, if it weren't for Manning.

If NO had struggled offensively in the second half (the way they did against the Skins, for instance), then Williams' schemes would have looked a whole lot worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Still think that pick was an accident?

um....it was a terrible throw...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

A big shoutout to Garrett Hartley, whos halftime FG netted me a $250 square.

Posted by: Rypien11 | February 8, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

We have been saying it all along...if Greg Williams had an offense, that could have been us.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 8:24 AM


I was just thinking the same thing, Ricky. Seems to me, the aggressive style that Williams employs is best suited to a team that has a great scoring offense. You can afford to gamble on picks and take more chances with your blitzes if you've got an offense that can go downfield and answer if you give up a score on D. In D.C., Gregggg never had that luxury.

So even though the Saints overall defensive ranking wasn't even close to what it was under Williams here, it was far more effective in New Orleans.

Just imagine if he actually had some talent there...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

And that half-time show was ATROCIOUS.

The Who SUCKED.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Peter King on Russ Grimm getting into the HOF:


Posted by: Agree2Disagree | February 8, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse


P1funk on Peter King's opinion about anything Redskins related:

Bite me.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Glawrence...

I was never a Williams hater. But let's get this straight right now...he would not be a Super Bowl winning coach here...he had nowhere near the talent level on offense he had here and was younger and faster on defense in N'awlins!

Posted by: rickyroge | February 8, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Let's get this straight, I completely agree.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

A victory for the stats geeks: this showed up on footballoutsiders.com at 3:43PM yesterday afternoon --

"Judging from these ratings, New Orleans should be somewhere between 5-point and 1/2-point favorites in the Super Bowl tonight. So why are the Colts 5-point favorites instead, and why have very few people (other than FO's Aaron Schatz) given the Saints a chance to win? Reading and listening to some of the chatter this week, you'd think we'd be looking at an on-paper mismatch like Super Bowl XLII (Pats SRS: 20.1; Giants SRS: 3.3) instead of one of the closest SB matchups in recent memory. In fact, if anything the odds should be leaning towards New Orleans. What gives, Vegas?"

Somebody lost a whole lot of cash on that game.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

If NO had struggled offensively in the second half (the way they did against the Skins, for instance), then Williams' schemes would have looked a whole lot worse.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 8:33 AM


Dude, give credit where credit is due. If you hold the Colts to 17 points in a game of that magnitude (and score 7 on defense yourself), you should win with even a middle-of-the-road offense. No doubt Drew Brees deserved the MVP but that defense is a close second in the ballot, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

p1, agreed, and agreed, someone put out an APB for Roger Daltry's voice, the next time Peter King is objective will be the first....that cat is the biggest homer, he's such a patriots shill, he moved to this area....puhleeze...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

um....it was a terrible throw...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

BEAN.......

Um..........it was right on the money genius. The defender was where he should have been because he didn't rotate off the receiver. That's coaching.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

A victory for the stats geeks: this showed up on footballoutsiders.com at 3:43PM yesterday afternoon --

"Judging from these ratings, New Orleans should be somewhere between 5-point and 1/2-point favorites in the Super Bowl tonight. So why are the Colts 5-point favorites instead, and why have very few people (other than FO's Aaron Schatz) given the Saints a chance to win? Reading and listening to some of the chatter this week, you'd think we'd be looking at an on-paper mismatch like Super Bowl XLII (Pats SRS: 20.1; Giants SRS: 3.3) instead of one of the closest SB matchups in recent memory. In fact, if anything the odds should be leaning towards New Orleans. What gives, Vegas?"

Somebody lost a whole lot of cash on that game.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse


What gives?

Not even Vegas is immune to Manning-worship.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

gl, disagree, it was a terrible throw...

however I'm sure if you want to pimp GG, there is a saints blog just bursting at the seams with new members....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Agreed on Peter King, Greg. The only writers I hate worse than him are Dr. Z and Jay Mariotti.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

"No more football for months."

That's never stopped us before.

We are the kings of the off season, and clowns of the regular.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

gl, disagree, it was a terrible throw...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 8:53 AM


Actually Greg, the corner who made the pick said after the game that he had a tell on what was being run from their film study during the week. If you look at the replay, the CB kinda baited Manning into that throw. So while the CB isn't exactly the most unbiased opinion out there, I tend to take him at his word on that one.

So how bad are the Pats fans there gloating over Manning blowing another one?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

And funny how the saints won by the 'Dink and Dunk' Game......It does work....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

gl, disagree, it was a terrible throw...

however I'm sure if you want to pimp GG, there is a saints blog just bursting at the seams with new members....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


I thought it was just a terrible all-around play.

Wayne didn't look sharp on the route.

Manning stared down the route and the throw went right to Porter.

The playcall was waaayyyy predictable.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

4th, yeah, not to mention the lack of running attack......

brown, oh they're out in full force, Brady is better than Manning, Brady would have made that throw, the pats would have won that game....I think I threw up in my mouth about 3 times already...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

"...And funny how the saints won by the 'Dink and Dunk' Game......It does work...."


My friend Bill Walsh will send you highlights of his Niners' teams that won more than a couple of Super Bowls with a 'dink' and 'dunk' style of offense.

What makes it work is a quarterback who hits guys in stride so they get the all important YAC.

And if it's run properly, you really don't need a great running game: but you do need a running back with Roger Craig/Ricky Waters-like swag.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

LOL Greg, I knew Pats fans would be insufferable today.

I just realized Jeremy Shockey has two SB rings. There truly is NO justice in the world...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

And funny how the saints won by the 'Dink and Dunk' Game......It does work....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse


How about the Saints won b/c Drew Brees is an all-time great QB?

It was predictably nauseating listening to all the talking heads "break down" the matchup and end up picking the Colts to win because of something to do with Peyton Manning.

Over the last 4 years, Brees has been everything that Peyton Manning has been - minus the commercials, SNL appearance, and general jock-riding.

Brees got it done. Peyton didn't. End of story.

Posted by: p1funk | February 8, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Pierre Thomas is a BMF. He was the best player on the field last night.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Whateves....It was Dink and Dunk...
...

...And I only brought it up because plenty of us were complaining about many of Redskins Game Plans that involved it....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Pierre Thomas is a BMF. He was the best player on the field last night.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 9:25 AM


Yeah, and he also highlights something some the clowns calling to take Spiller in this draft should remember: you don't have to spend a high pick to get a solid starting RB.

Pierre Thomas was undrafted. Yet he's the starting RB and one of the key offensive players on a great SB offense. Not saying that any undrafted player can be a star, but RB is easily the most fungible position on the field. And if any coach has made a name for himself turning late round or undrafted RBs into solid starters, it's Shanny.

Sh*tcan Portis, start fresh. This is the time to do it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"...and he also highlights something some the clowns calling to take Spiller in this draft should remember: you don't have to spend a high pick to get a solid starting RB."


We clowns wear our paint well as we know that without a solid offensive line, and passing attack, not every undrafted guy is a Pierre Thomas.

I'd like to see how Mr. Undrafted would do if he was a guy a team depended on for, say, 25-30 carries a game behind a suspect line.

We hate on CP, but he did get 1,400 yards behind a sorry line in 2008.

Could an undrafted guy like Thomas do that?

Doubt it.

Thomas succeeds because the saints have the best o-line after the jets and colts, and for no other reason than that.

Put him in DC and he's just another Quinton Ganther or Marcus Mason.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Good game. I enjoyed it. Loved the Dodge commercial and Betty White snickers commercial. Congrats to the Saints!

Payton called a great game. You can really tell he is a Parcells disciple. What’s with all the Peyton hate up here?

How about them Caps! How about them Terps! How about them Wizards (at least they didn’t lose)

14 in a row for the Caps. Unbelieveable. Just hope that the Olympic break doesn’t kill the momentum.

Anyway, how long til the draft?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

""...And funny how the saints won by the 'Dink and Dunk' Game......It does work...."

I don't know why people insist it doesn't. But dinking isn't the Saints' natural style. They resorted to it because Indy stubbornly insists on playing defense to avoid giving up the big play. Since the receiver has few chances to get behind the secondary, the opponent has to throw underneath.

In some ways Indy plays the wrong style of defense for a club that scores so much. Like I said, you can't argue with their record, but the offense had to rescue them several times this season.


Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Put him in DC and he's just another Quinton Ganther or Marcus Mason.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 9:45 AM


Oh, don't get me wrong Moe, I mostly agree with what you're saying. But using a high pick on a RB when you have the OL issues this team has would be retarded (yeah, I said it). A top 5 RB would struggle behind this line same as a 4th rounder would or an undrafted RB would. So Job 1 for this team has to be to build the line, getting a RB is near the back of the list.

And let's not pat CP on the back too much for '08...the line was actually playing pretty well the first 6 or 7 games that year, it was the 2nd half of the season that it fell to pieces...and CP right along with it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse


Trade players, get picks. Trade down, get picks.

Posted by: glawrence007 | February 8, 2010 7:37 AM
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Agreed glawrence... Due to labor issues, and future position slotted contracts..All the top underclassmen talent for the next two years, will be in this Draft. 2nd round picks that would of been 1st rounders in 2011.

Problem is, 31 other teams know this too. Cant see them giving up alot of picks.

And for the JC lovahs out there.. it probably will influence many teams not to tender JC and lose picks.
So, JC stays a Skin and demands a trade when Shanahan attempts to bring in another QB (redux of last March).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

And for the JC lovahs out there.. it probably will influence many teams not to tender JC and lose picks.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 10:05 AM


You could call me a JC lover and I can tell you right now that nobody was gonna give up a 1st and a 3rd for him. That was never gonna happen anyway.

But you're right...picks are at a premium this year because that's gonna be the best possible way to upgrade the team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I can finally make it to the main road it's a miracle, I've been in this house since Friday night.

Posted by: Flounder21 | February 8, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The other thing to keep in mind is that running backs have such a short career and they can contribute immediately. They may only be effective for 4-6 years. In my opinion you draft a top running back when you have no other needs and are ready to make a run at a championship.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | February 8, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"...All the top underclassmen talent for the next two years, will be in this Draft. 2nd round picks that would of been 1st rounders in 2011."


Makes you wish we had that 3rd rounder spend on Jarmon back, doesn't it?

More picks in rounds 3-5 is what you want when you consider the truth filled scenario listed above.

That third rounder spent on Jarmon would go to a linemen prospect or middle linebacker or cornerback this time around.

Oh well.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

100% agree, PAskinsfan.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"Good game. I enjoyed it."

It seemed like a typical saints game: start slow, build momentum, and pull ahead in the third quarter.

But that half time show sucked like a street corner hoe.

The Who?: c'mon, those guys looked like a couple of grandpas given the grand stage.

The pulsating light show was better than the lackluster pinball wizards of 1970s rock fame.

Ya, I know, the league wants things safe and clean and geriatric and non-bra malfunctioning.

Suggestions to the NFL: get some acts with songs the masses of people know or acts that get some energy flowin'.

The Who made me wonder who let the old dogs out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

But that half time show sucked like a street corner hoe.
The Who?: c'mon, those guys looked like a couple of grandpas given the grand stage.
The pulsating light show was better than the lackluster pinball wizards of 1970s rock fame.
Ya, I know, the league wants things safe and clean and geriatric and non-bra malfunctioning.
Suggestions to the NFL: get some acts with songs the masses of people know or acts that get some energy flowin'.
The Who made me wonder who let the old dogs out.
Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 10:31 AM

Keep in mind that it was on CBS, who has three of their shows (CSI’s) that all lead in with Who songs, and I think they played all 3. I think Daltry even laughed at one point. Plus the halftime shows seem to be on a classic rock kick. I think the last few shows have been Springsteen, Tom Petty, Prince, and maybe another classic band that escapes my memory right now. I actually thought they were okay, but I like the Who. And to say that the masses don’t know them is a bit off, IMO.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse


"I just realized Jeremy Shockey has two SB rings."


What's sad about it is that he's not as good as Cooley, Gates, Witten, Clark, Gonzalez, or Daniels.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind that it was on CBS, who has three of their shows (CSI’s) that all lead in with Who songs, and I think they played all 3. I think Daltry even laughed at one point. Plus the halftime shows seem to be on a classic rock kick. I think the last few shows have been Springsteen, Tom Petty, Prince, and maybe another classic band that escapes my memory right now. I actually thought they were okay, but I like the Who. And to say that the masses don’t know them is a bit off, IMO.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 10:39 AM
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good post dlhazel..
So, my guess, the NFL paid The Who's appearance, and CBS did not have to pay broadcast royalties on the 3 songs they already pay for on CSI.
Genius (and cheap).

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

good post dlhazel..
So, my guess, the NFL paid The Who's appearance, and CBS did not have to pay broadcast royalties on the 3 songs they already pay for on CSI.
Genius (and cheap).
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | February 8, 2010 10:57 AM

I was thinking that CBS pressed really hard for it to be the Who. Next year, if NBC gets the bowl, halftime will prolly be the Tonight Show band.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

It was just Daltry and Townsend. They should've called it The Who minus 2.

That's like having Paul and Ringo perform and calling it The Beatles (which will probably be next year's act).

I thought the stage was cool but those dudes are too old to rock anymore.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Thomas succeeds because the saints have the best o-line after the jets and colts, and for no other reason than that.Put him in DC and he's just another Quinton Ganther or Marcus Mason.Posted by: MistaMoe"

Don't forget who's coaching the Skins now, and what he did with some pretty ordinary backs in Denver.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"I just realized Jeremy Shockey has two SB rings."


What's sad about it is that he's not as good as Cooley, Gates, Witten, Clark, Gonzalez, or Daniels.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse
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What's even more sad is that Chase Daniels now has a ring.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | February 8, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skins930 | February 8, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Plus it cements Manning as one of the least clutch QBs out there. I mean, is there another player (outside of Favre) that has such big regular season numbers and yet craps the bed in so many big playoff games as Manning does?

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse
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This just proves Redskins fans have no clue what a great QB is.

Why was this team in the SuperBowl? I mean, what do they have? Garcon couldn't start on another team, Clark is no better than Cooley, and Wayne is a well rounded receiver, but quit on the dig pattern that ended the game last night. If he had come back to the ball, he would have at the least made the tackle on the INT.

And the Defense? Ok, Freeney (hurt) and.... *crickets*

This Colts team was like the early Elway teams. The only reason those Broncos teams smelled the SB was because Elway was so good. But it takes a team to win the SB, and the better team won last night.

I mean... what do you have to do when you can take a 53 man roster on your shoulders and get it to the big game? Unbelievable.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | February 8, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Suggestions to the NFL: get some acts with songs the masses of people know or acts that get some energy flowin'.
The Who made me wonder who let the old dogs out.
Posted by: MistaMoe

While I'll agree they are way past their prime....saying get an act with songs the masses of people know is a very DUMB statement. The Who is one of the greatest and most known bands of all time. Hell even young kids know their songs from CSI. Just because they don't rap, curse, and generally look like idiots you don't like them, Get a clue.....

Posted by: rupertpupkin | February 8, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"Don't forget who's coaching the Skins now, and what he did with some pretty ordinary backs in Denver."


The 'ordinary running back' system works well when you have quality o-linemen and threats at tight end and wide receiver.

And whereas folks are right to want improved line play, the skins' wide receiving crew leaves a lot to be desired as well.

I wonder if Shanny looks at Thomas, Kelly, Mitchell, Davis and sees finished products.

Too, some one has to found to replace ARE's spot on the roster.

'Cuz I don't.

This is the season the Class of '08 must step forward.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Hell even young kids know their songs from CSI. Just because they don't rap, curse, and generally look like idiots you don't like them, Get a clue....."


So you say The Who are so great because kids know the lyrics to their songs from watching CSI?

Wow.

I got kids and they don't even know what CSI is.

They do Youtube, Facebook, and Myspace.

Television is a dead medium in my house right after newspapers.

In fact, I don't watch that show as I don't watch the crap on tv unless it's a game.

I do know that CSI is an adult oriented show on a network--CBS- whose market is slanted towards older white mid west types.

The masses don't fit that demographic, Mista Got No Clue.

The Who are an over-rated English rock act, dude, get with it.

The masses know Motown, Beatles, EWF, the Eagles, Mike Jax, disco, and old school soul: get a sound scan chart and see what's still selling from back in the day, bro', before selling out about a group with no clout.

And not every entertainer has got to be a rapper just like they don't have to be a tired rock act playing 30 year old songs.

Posted by: MistaMoe | February 8, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | February 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"The 'ordinary running back' system works well when you have quality o-linemen and threats at tight end and wide receiver."

What's a 'quality' o-lineman? Somebody who blocks well in a given system. Let's look at how the Saints assembled theirs:

Left Tackle - Bushrod ('07, pick #125); Strief ('06, pick #210)
Left Guard - Nicks ('08, pick #164); Nesbit (UFA '04)
Center - Goodwin ('06, UFA); Leckey ('09 UFA)
Right Guard - Evans ('06 pick #108)
Right Tackle - Stinchcomb ('03, pick 37)

Not exactly an advertisement for spending high round picks on OL, is it? Exactly one second rounder in the group. Plus three UFAs who were not high selections, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | February 8, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

--OT Tony Pashos : The 49ers will sit down with Pashos' agent at the scouting combine. Pashos has said in the past that he wants to start. The 49ers, meanwhile, are expected to draft an offensive tackle this year. In addition, Pashos' long-time offensive line coach, Chris Foerster, is now in Washington and this is expected to be a weak market for all players, including offensive tackles. The Redskins need offensive linemen, they have deeper pockets than the 49ers and they have Pashos' offensive line coach. All signs point to him playing in D.C.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/2010/02/niners-free-age-1.html

Posted by: Skins930 | February 8, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

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