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Pinch-hitting for JLa...

Jason continues to enjoy his well-deserved time off, so Jack takes the donut off the ol' bat and steps to the plate (sorry for the baseball reference on a fubball blog...).

"The Danger of Kool-Aid.....without a GM"

First let me attempt to lend credence to my comments here by saying I am a life-long Skins fan. I have a license plate that says 4OLDDC, my dog is named DG (for #28), I have an autographed #28 jersey hanging in my living room, and I paid $650 to sit 5 rows up on the 50 for the last time we had a home playoff game against the freaking Detroit Lions and will watch every moment of every game this season praying we win.
Now that said, every year around this time for the last 10 years or so I start getting real excited about all the big names and big money the Danny has spent and start thinking, you know, there's a chance if...........and then it never comes to fruition and, by gosh, I'm not gonna do it anymore. Reading a lot of the comments on here recently, I have seen a lot of people who seem to be blogging under the influence and I want to bring us all back to reality a little bit.
We are an old, aging, injury-prone team, that just isn't as talented as almost 20 teams in the league but certainly not anywhere near the top ten! Need evidence? Other than Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, and maybe Marcus Washington there isn't a single player on the Redskins team that would take over at least 10 players at that position.
Now let's look at that statement that means that only 6 of our 22 starters are above-average players. I'm a realist, I understand it's simply not possible to have the best players at every position. However, our biggest deficits are at the most important positions.
QB: It's the most important position on any team. While Jason Campbell showed potential and looks like he could be solid, he is young, inexperienced and will need time to develop. That's not his fault, it is the fault of letting Trent Green and Brad Johnson go, it is the fault of playing seasons with Jeff Hostetler and Tony Banks, it is the fault of drafting Patrick Ramsey, it is the fault of bringing and than sticking with number 8 for way to long, and many other front office blunders.
O-line: The Skins' line was actually pretty solid last year and by all accounts will be solid again this year (providing they stay healthy). But, Jansen, Samuels, Thomas, and Raymer have all had injuries and are all getting old. Our best young lineman left via FA and I understand he would have cost a mint this year, but how often do you see teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and Ravens let good young talent ever reach unrestricted free agency? Any good GM would have seen that Dockery had started for us from day 1 of his career and that agile, young, durable, 335- pound linemen don't grow on trees and would have re-signed him before last season to a good extension for a reasonable figure. And let's not forget the utter lack of depth behind our starters for the last 3 years and the still lack of good young lineman being groomed to start one day.
D-line: When you give up 4.5 yards per carry and generate 19 sacks for an entire season, what else can you really say? This unit is old, gets hurt too often, and other than Griffin, doesn't have a single player that would start for any other team in the league. Our biggest addition last year (Carter) is a $35-million dollar, 7.5-sack situational pass rusher at best. Last year a sixth-round draft choice became a starter, and yet we haven't signed or drafted a single player to address the most glaring hole on our team. The only reason Sean Taylor "regressed," as so many people say, is because he had to make 120 tackles! Folks, your safety shouldn't lead the team or be in the top ten in the league for tackles or you have SERIOUS issues up front.
Secondary: There is hope here, Landry and Taylor potentially could be a devastating combo for the next decade. But letting Smoot go originally, letting Ryan Clark go, signing Archuleta, and not drafting or signing any quality corners last season left our secondary very vulnerable. All it took was an injury to Springs to put that unit in shambles. I'm sorry but you don't get a pass from me by saying "well, if Springs hadn't gotten hurt" because when we signed Springs everyone knew he was talented but injury-prone. I like him, and I think he is talented and "super smart" but to count on his health and provide no quality depth behind him is gross mismanagement.
I cannot say it any simpler, we are a below average team and it is time we set our expectations accordingly. I am hoping for an 8-8 or 9-7 season. That actually might get the Skins in the playoffs in a weak NFC, but we are a long way from being a legit contender. The instability of the organization over the last decade has caught up with us. Through vastly different coaches (Marty Ball to Chuck and Duck Spurrier), and utter failures on the personnel front our roster is sub-par. There are pieces to build around, Taylor and Landry, Portis is still young and his best years are before him, Moss is a franchise WR, Cooley is one of the most talented TE's in the league, and Campbell looks like he could be the real deal. But, the best hope for our future is that the Danny wises up soon and hires a GM to guide our franchise for the long-term and that we all ditch the "this is the year!" mentality that got our beloved Redskins into the sad condition they are in. Recommitting to the draft, building around young talent, and wisely augmenting with FAs that fit your system are the keys to building championship teams, not making big name knee-jerk decisions, ignoring glaring weaknesses because you like the character of your undertalented players, and marginalizing the best way to find good young talent...the draft.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 18, 2007; 10:44 AM ET
 
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Hard to argue with any of that. The truth hurts -- especially when it comes to our horrendous defensive line. I still can't believe Vinny "I don't believe in drafting defensive linemen" Cerrato not only still has a job but apparently has real influence. And yes, that is an actual quote from Vinny.

But here's the thing: for whatever reason, I still think the skins have a decent shot at the playoffs this year. Did any team in the NFC East really look that much better than us last year? McNabb is a major question mark in Philly, Dallas has a new coach, and the Giants had a miserable offseason -- and Campbell clearly looked like the better qb when he faced Eli last year.

So, you know, who the hell knows? But we obviously need a GM.

Posted by: Andrew | May 18, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

If I am first Great, if not I don't care:
Substance:
I think that this is a very down on ourselves article. I think we have 2 good LB, in Washington and I-Mac. and I hope Carter works out on DL they are not mentioned here (well Wash is)

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

If I am first Great, if not I don't care:
Substance:
I think that this is a very down on ourselves article. I think we have 2 good LB, in Washington and I-Mac. and I hope Carter works out on DL they are not mentioned here (well Wash is).

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

"Don't worry, we have a plan"...

What? That doesn't make you feel better?

YACK!!!!!!

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 18, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hey who ya'llthink will win the series, O's or Nat's? Skins or Ravens in the Preseason game? By the way, I think we should play the Skins-Ravens game somewhere other then their stadium like Annapolis, RFK or UMD.

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

From the last post, I will break character. I listened to that Portis interview. If this is still the situation that he explained this year, we will lose miserably this year.

Winning attitude fosters a winning team. It sounds like this team has no winning attitude. When the chips are down, your leaders step up. Sounds like we dont have leaders.

I hope he was just being bitter because of his injury. But his attitude might be telling of who he is more than what our team is.

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Too many fans -- most of them extremeskin moderators -- think hope is some kind of plan.

It's not.

Posted by: Cautiously optimistic but realistic | May 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Werd pretty much to all of this.


The truth has been spoken...HOWEVER!!!

That was last year, the offense has another year under Saunders...look at KC's offense the year Saunders cmae and them the next year.....

Gregg Williams has more quality depth in the secondary than he did last year. I think we can compete for a wild card. Will we?

Who knows thats why they play the games.

Posted by: KCskinfan | May 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Werd pretty much to all of this.


The truth has been spoken...HOWEVER!!!

That was last year, the offense has another year under Saunders...look at KC's offense the year Saunders came and then the next year.....

Gregg Williams has more quality depth in the secondary than he did last year. I think we can compete for a wild card. Will we?

Who knows thats why they play the games.

Posted by: KCskinfan | May 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Werd pretty much to all of this.


The truth has been spoken...HOWEVER!!!

That was last year, the offense has another year under Saunders...look at KC's offense the year Saunders came and then the next year.....

Gregg Williams has more quality depth in the secondary than he did last year. I think we can compete for a wild card. Will we?

Who knows thats why they play the games.

Posted by: KCskinfan | May 18, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Shame on Cindy for letting this become the guest blog. Could you not find anything positive to put up? I think I'd be happier with no new post at all for the day.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't agree more. The FO is the glaring weakness, and Coach Gibbs is not helping, although he's in a position to do so, by being so concilatory to Vinny, despite his ineptitude. Truth is, the Skins are with the likes of the Lions, the Cards, the Browns, until they prove otherwise. Question for the gallery... if the Skins got a REAL GM with real GM authority, how long would it take to right the wrongs of the past ten years? 3? 5?

You see, this is why I sell my seasons every year... until Danny grows up, we'll continue to be the laughing stock.

Posted by: 20194 | May 18, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I appreciate the effort and I doubt I have anything more profound to say, myself, but this is boring. I feel like this is same-old, same-old: A Cliff's Notes version of the last six months of RI, without the hate and vulgarity.

The last sentence, amounts to "do things right" and, at least to my mind, sums up the way the Redskins handled this off-season.

Posted by: KK | May 18, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

This guest blog recycles about six month's worth of negative interpretations of the 'skins, without adding anything new to the debate.

Ok, sure, the 'skins have personnel issues in several areas, most glaringly at the D-line, but this point has been made everyday since close to the start of last season.

The 'skins FO has made 10 years worth of questionable personnel decisions - again, a point raised often (especially by JLC himself). This is a bit debatable, because there have been some draft and FA success stories (Samuels, Cooley, Moss, etc.), but its a fair (and often voiced) argument.

What the guest blogger really misses is the lack of a unifying vision/philosophy on the part of the FO as a whole over the last 10 years. This is supposedly what Joe Gibbs has been trying to address - with only mixed success (as judged by record and post-season appearances). With so many changes over the last decade in coaching and FO management, there has not been a consistent vision at work over this period. Even Gibbs brought in an entirely new offensive system last season, and changed the management structure of the coaching staff to accomodate the addition of Saunders. These kinds of wholesale changes still suggest that there has continued to be a lack of long-term vision even under Gibbs' leadership.

Posted by: And you have added what exactly to this debate? | May 18, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I suggest that EVERYONE listen to the Portis interview linked to on the previous blog. It is the second one down the list.

Jack may be a pessimist, but after hearing that, I am too. Disturbing, sad, patehtic state of affairs for the old burgundy and gold.

MOVE BACK TO DC. IMPEACH SNYDER!!

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Jack - Good post and all, but it's easy to criticize a team, coaches, FO, etc., after a 5-11 season. If the team went 11-5 last year and made it to the NFC championship game, you'd be singing a different tune about Vinny, Danny, and Joe. If the Skins brought in 3 solid D-lineman and we still go 7-9 this year, fans would find another reason to blame on the record. What I'm saying is that any descent and halfway talented team can compete in the NFC if they stay healthy and execute. The coaches obviously know something about our current D-line that we don't or they certainly would have addressed the need a little more this off-season. As always, let the season play out and hope for the best, just like every year.

Posted by: CC | May 18, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

....tumbleweed....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

nice guest blog.......only problem is that Raymer has been gone for awhile from our O-Line. Perhaps you are referring to Rabach?!

Posted by: The Truth | May 18, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Jack, thanks for putting this together, glad to have this thoughtful piece to mull over on a Friday. 4 TCCLs to you for stepping up with a guest blog.

I'm choosing faith over doubt. For most of the critical pieces you cite as risks and weaknesses -- QB, O line, secondary -- I'm a glass half full guy. Campbell emerging as a solid, steady hand at QB. The O line healthy and thriving with a reinvigorated run game. Springs, Smoot, Rogers; Taylor, Landry.

I am still perplexed that we have done nothing to improve the D line this offseason, because they were such a glaring weakness last year. As with the secondary, I'm counting on health and better production this season.

And my faith in Coach Joe is unshaken. And I believe year two of Saunders/Gibbs will be far better than year one.

As for your last sentence, where you list the items which should be the front office's best practices, wouldn't you agree that they've done almost all those things this offseason? The fact that we still hold all of our 2008 draft picks feels like a sea change from seasons past.

So the big question... what would be a successful 2007 season? I'm trying to balance my fanatical tendencies with the realities of playing ball up here, coming off a 5-11 season. I want us to be competitive in every game; to play with precision and fire; to stay around .500 all season; and to be contending for the division title into December.

HAIL!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

35332 - O's take 2 out of 3. Tonight and tomorrow night, but drop Sunday's game to Nat's. Redskins vs Ravens in preseason? Who gives a flying ....! Sorry, just don't care about the preseason let alone the 4th game.

Posted by: CC | May 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think there is some exaggeration here. Granted that we need to improve the DLine but with the focus on going back to the cover one/ 46 type defense the Line only has to occupy Olineman to let superior LB's and the SS make plays (maybe that is why we concentrated on upgrading those positions) to say that we only have 6 above average players is just negativity to serve an agenda. I know that the Organization and ownership and the sports section of you paper have bad blood and i think that it reflects in a great deal of the reporting that goes on here by many of the "journalists". (btw LFB, Springs, Griff, Smoot, Randy T, Sellers, and probably Landry are all "above average" as you put it) So i think that we have as much talent as anyone in the league and the difference between winning and losing on the field will come down to the will of the men playing and the ability of the coaches to inspire them.
One last thing, I dont care what squabbles you and your paper have had with the ownership of the Redskins..its the team we all love and if you and your staff want jouranlistic credibility with your audience should stop writing and reporting everything about the team in the most negative way and start making your work less biased and filled more with crediable points to support any opinion or analysis.

Posted by: phatskins27 | May 18, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: phatskins27 | May 18, 2007 11:49 AM

Hey there fella from the extremeskins propaganda site. had you taken the time to read it, you would know this is a guest blog, written by a fan. It was not written by JLaC or anyone associated with the paper. Opinions are always welcome up here, but you gotta come correct son.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"but how often do you see teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and Ravens let good young talent ever reach unrestricted free agency"

Just from memory, David Givens(Pats), Daniel Graham(Pats) Adalius Thomas(Ravens)Derrick Burgess(Philly), Jeremiah Trotter(Philly), I'm sure I'm leaving a LOT of names out.

We lost a Guard. I don't think anyone would call Dock a GREAT player. You don't over-pay for a guard.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | May 18, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Raymer?

"...But, Jansen, Samuels, Thomas, and Raymer have all had injuries and are all getting old."

Posted by: More Complete | May 18, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Nice job Jacko. You are absolutely right, there are some pieces from which to build.

I hate to point back to my post yesterday, but we really need to look no further than a team like the 49ers. After finally hitting rock bottom, a storied franchise chose to blow it up. Vinny was at the wheel and successfully rammed the ship into many an iceberg.

Reborn with the hiring of Mike Nolan and Scott McLoughlan (VP Personnel), they have methodically and patiently rebuilt the team. Despite the cap constraints, in just a short 3 year period, most agree this is a team on the rise.

Are they there yet? Of course not. There is a lot in common between these franchises. The owners of the 49ers are no different than Snyder, never put a chinstrap on, loaded with money and opinion, but the Yorks decided to get out of the way.

With all due respect Nate, the Skins's restraint and full bevy of draft picks mean very little. As B Mitch has said, the Skins have had the smallest amount of draft picks since '02.

A respected personnel guy, running the show, would never let that happen.

Posted by: k Squared | May 18, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I would argue that drafting Landry is a sign of a long term FO plan. The easiest path would have been to take the most highly rated DL available--probably Okoye. They could have plugged him in next to Griff and said to their fans "see, we fixed our biggest weakness." The fact that they resisted the temptation to do this and selected who they thought was the best available player says a lot, at least to me. A 5-11 team can't fix every problem in one offseason, especially when that team lacks draft picks. Keeping all of next year's picks is good sign #1. By taking landry and not addressing the DL, they are building for the future. Maybe next year we draft a top lineman. Maybe we address the position through free agency again. But regardless, by not trying to "fix" the problem with a stop-gap solution, I think the FO is showing signs of a new direction. Anyone think we couldn't use a big tall possession WR? Or a pass rushing DE? Or a run stuffing DT? Of course we need good/better players in those positions, but not all of this can be done in one year. Gibbs made a mistake in 06 b/c he thought we were THAT close. I think he learned his lesson and this offseason really proves that. We still need another year or 2 to become a "legit contender" but I like the direction they are moving in.

Great guest blog, Jack, but you start by saying there are 20 better teams and we aren't close to top 10, then say we have a shot at the playoffs?? Still only 12 playoff spots, right? The AFC may have more talented teams, but we only have to worry about one of them at the end of the season if you know what I mean.

Posted by: WrongDog | May 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"J.D. Gibbs, president of Joe Gibbs Racing, said last week that he'd like to talk to Earnhardt but indicated it might not be a good fit. JGR promotes a family values image, and Gibbs said the organization would have a hard time accepting Budweiser, Earnhardt's longtime sponsor."

At leasts the Gibbses are consistent....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 18, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Same old tired diatribe. Not sure why this was even posted (again?). Before the draft many we're saying that thay applaud the Redskins for "not making a big splash," and "they finally get it!" as far as how to run a front office. Which is it? Should thay have gone out in free agency and found a costly big name palyer for the d-line or be restrained? Should the Redskins have taken the sure thing safety,the one everyone said was the best defensive player in the draft, or one of the five or six "maybe" D-Lineman? Some one comes up to you and hands you two million dollars but then says you take the sure thing two million dollars or take whats behind door number one,two or three. What do YOU do. Me, I'm taking the two million. By the way, safety was a need for the team. The coaches seem to think that the young tackles will come through for them and a DE may still be added. As far as letting players get away, Dockery wasn't even considered to be a good player until last year. There was even talk of looking for a repacement. He had a good,not great contract year. I just don't think Bugle/Gibbs thought he was worth a long term investment. We'll see how things go for him in Buffalo. Ryan Clark ain't Leron Landry. Even for less money. Smoot came back after proving he wasn't worth the investment that the Vikings made in him. The only two uncontestable mistakes were signing AA and letting Pierce get away. Fletcher helps make up for Pierce but lots of money and cap room were wasted on AA. After looking over the schedule I could see the Redskins going 10-6 this year maybe better if the defense is middle of the pack or better. Do you really think the D will not improve. I'm confident they will.

Posted by: David | May 18, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, got the Raymer thing wrong, meant Rabach. Sorry, and guys, please note I said that I think they are gonna go 8 - 8 or 9 - 7 and possibly sneak into the playoffs in a weak NFC. And Greg, I wasn't saying overpay for him, I was saying extend him before you have to overpay for the youngest most durable starter on your line. Perhaps this came across as too negative, but what I was trying to add to the debate was asking all the looney tunes people in here who think we're going to the Super Bowl to calm down. Let's set a realistic goal of going .500 in Campbell's 1st year, drafting and signing well next offseason and contending in the future. I think if a GM was hired today, it would take 3 years to turn the roster around. And I'm sorry but you can't say this was a successful offseason when you dump Archuletta for a 6th rounder, and sign not a single D-lineman. You don't think that Archuletta could have rotated with a young Landry in the box in Williams new scheme better than anything we could have gotten in the sixth? and don't forget he was the personal protector on punts....lol

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

k squared, the point I was trying to make that so far in THIS offseason we've seen more responsible behavior from the front office. I didn't say that past front office malfeasance has been forgiven, just that I think we may finally have turned the corner.

Perhaps we have seen rock bottom and are now finding our way forward, following the same arc as the one you described for the 49ers. Perhaps Joe Gibbs is leading the franchise to a new era, marked by smart, steady, responsible conduct.

Would I like to see us have a great GM in place? Of course I would! Do I have any faith in Vinny himself? Heck no! But I do have faith in Joe to get this thing turned around and lay a foundation for our franchise.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Things will never change as long as Snyder is the owner. He won't hire a GM and he won't be patient with player/coach personell.
So you have 2 choices: either realize this is NOT the type of team you can support, or suck it up and deal with the reality that the Skins will be an all hype/no substance team of losers until Snyder passes the team on to another owner... which will probably be 30-40 years from now.

It's similiar to the Bush 'presidency'
Clearly, he is a failure, but if you are a 'loyal Republican' you can choose to support him no matter what (which 28% of the country does). OR, you can accept the facts and choose not to support Bush, even though doing so is 'disloyal' to your political party.

I'm not saying that you should become a Dallas fan if you decide that the Redskins have changed so much that you cannot support them... there are plenty of other teams that run themselves like the old Redskins (Steelers, Panthers come to mind)

I'm just saying loyalty has it's limits.

Posted by: Love em or Leave em | May 18, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

You know, I too amfully conscious of the 'skins +s and -s. That's the nature of following a team. But I am also an eternal optimist. That's the nature of being a fan. I despise the FO for their bone-headedness. I think Snyder is a fool with a lot of $s. Yet, I think he is sincere about winning and knows how to do so. It may take him longer still to figure out how to win a football as well as he learned at his other efforts. So, what's the point?

There are two ways to win in the NFL: be a shut down defense that never lets a game get away. be an offensive scoring machine that puts games out of reach. Both styles have won super bowls in the last decade. Balance, having both great D and great O is rare. The Redskins have the potential to be an O that puts games out of reach. The D should be able to keep pace somewhat. I look for a lot of scoring early in games and opponents having to paly from behind. That in itself will create opptys that last year's D never saw. If we have good to great special teams it will come from coaching and willing cannon fodder.

We're going to win a lot of games this season.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 18, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Jack - thanks for stepping up to the plate. You've articulated what we've all been saying for months but it's good to put it all into a package once again.

I'm with you. I'm hoping for a 9-7 with Soups having a break out year where he makes some colossal mistakes but is all in all consistent and getting consistently better.

I think the 49ers analogy is a very good one. The question becomes, if we do have a good season and go deep into the playoffs, do the Danny and My Cousin Vinny maintain restraint they showed this year OR do they return to their coked up days of crap? This question becomes especially critical if Gibbs leaves.

Say they go 10-6 and make it all the way to NFC championship game? And Gibbs leaves? It seems Gwilligan steps in and takes over without question. Now I know my Kool Aid drinking ways means I'll probably be jigging when this happens (gawd help me) but right now it makes me shudder.

Posted by: sfskin | May 18, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Love em, I'm choosing to believe that Gibbs is leading Snyder away from those bad practices which marked the beginning of his ownership, the profligate spending and pursuit of bright shiny objects (big-name/low-impact FAs, Steve Spurrier).

I'm choosing to believe that Snyder wants to win big and win consistently as much as we do. It's not easy for me, but I really want to believe that even a man like Snyder can change his ways, especially due to the influence of Gibbs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

"Quarterback Jason Campbell will compete in the DirecTV NFL Quarterback Challenge in the Cayman Islands this weekend. It will air on ESPN on Friday, Aug. 3. The event also features Minnesota's Tarvaris Jackson, Detroit's Jon Kitna, Jacksonville's Byron Leftwich and San Francisco's Alex Smith. "

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 18, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm not asking for big splash signings, exactly the opposite, I'm asking for solid signings to reasonable contracts, like Smoot and Fletcher, but they were a lot of relatively young D-lineman that weren't big names that we could have had and I didn't even hear of us pursuing one. How is that possible? How could you not want to address that unit? Please don't tell me that any of us by the Old Ball Coach's if we just coach em' up line. Sorry, I saw how that goes. You can't coach up undertalented players. Does everyone really think that another year, another round of injuries and surgeries is going to equate to guys like Daniels, Wynn, Big Joe, and even Griffin having better years than 2004? Sure, they might be a little better than last year if they stay healthy, big if but when your only backups are 6th and 7th rounders and a collection of journeymen at best and your relying on those guys to find the find the fountain of youth and durability to bounce back in my humble opinion your mis-managing your team and no GM in their right mind would have left that D-line as is.

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with a few things that were stated in the guest blog.......

The mentioned above average starters:
-Portis
-Moss
-Cooley
-Samuels
-Washington
-Taylor

I would add Springs, and Randy Thomas to that list. I also would not be surprised to see Griffin perform at a high level this year, or LFB be pretty good.

Our starters are actually pretty good when healthy.....the problem is we were very thin last year, and needed to stay injury free (which can almost never happen in the NFL)............we are also missing the most important positions, QB, d-line, and o-line!!!

Our O-line, for all the money and big names, is not very good. I wouldn't say bad, but they should be a top-5 or top-10 line for all that money, and I think we are just middle of the pack. Samuels is not a pro-bowl player, he just gets in on name recognition, and I think Jansen took a step backward last year.

Look at the Patriots, how many 'above-average' starters did they have last year?? Brady, Maroney, and their 0-line, and on D: Warren, Seymour, Wilfork, Samuel, maybe Hobbs........say 5 guys on offense and 4-5 on D.....we have 5 on O, and 4 on D......it's clearly about where that talent is allocated (d-line, qb, and o-line for the Pats)

Posted by: Jon | May 18, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

And Jack, 'all the looney tunes people in here who think we're going to the Super Bowl...'?

I don't think more than a couple of people have made predictions about going to the Super Bowl up here.

But come on, man, hope springs eternal! I want to believe that the team is dedicated to getting back to the Super Bowl, and that if everything came together we really would be capable of playing at a championship level. And in this league I KNOW we have a shot at going worst to first.

If we can't be optimistic now, in the doldrums of the offseason, when can we?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Nate. No slight intended, I would agree we are far and away, better off with a GM. But, with all that Joe has done for the organization, he has defintely earned the right to lead the way.

Posted by: k Squared | May 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

On that note, I would like to add that i think 9-10 wins is our upper limit. A lot depends on Campbell, and if our D can turn it around......personally, I say Campbell still isn't very good, but our D steps-up and makes us an ok team, possibly 9-7 and playoffs

Posted by: Jon | May 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah...what a hack blog intro. Congrats on beating a dead horse.

These "guest blogs" are getting old. I don't care to read a fan's opinion as an intro, that is what the blog string is for.

The season hasn't even started and all I hear about is how bad we are going to be. Is it possible, certainly, but we haven't even gone trhough a scrimmage.

Posted by: BT | May 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

This is old tired stuff. You sound like a typical media head that was predicting the Redskins to win the division last year. Since that didn't happen, its all doom and gloom. Furthermore, Raymer does not play for Skins anymore, and Dockery may have been a good prospect, but he was the #1 holder and offside offender. The thing that really gets me is Snyder gets bashed for making all these moves after the fact! Not before! Also, now Snyder is getting bashed for NOT signing a big name defensive lineman. There's a reason we're all doing what we are doing for a living and not NFL GMs. I, for one, like to stay positive and support the team. In the end, that's all any of us can do anyway. Here's to a great season. Go Skins!

Posted by: hart#58 | May 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

4th, um, how did Kitna get the nod for that? He's not the fellow I think of when I think of dudes with eye-popping ability that should be showcased in a fun, made-for-teevee skillz competition. Weird.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That was a very negative guest blog. Most everything about it looked like a blog from somebody that just doesn't understand the team very well. The problem last year was not the DLine, it was the back seven. The back seven has been vastly improved and if the injury bug doesn't hit, the defense will at least be back in the top half of the league, probably the top ten. The Oline is not going to go from the best in the NFL last year, to old and decrepid in one year.

To complain that the team does not have enough elite players is bogus. It's a team sport and this team is going to win the division.

Posted by: midniterc | May 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

That was a very negative guest blog. Most everything about it looked like a blog from somebody that just doesn't understand the team very well. The problem last year was not the DLine, it was the back seven. The back seven has been vastly improved and if the injury bug doesn't hit, the defense will at least be back in the top half of the league, probably the top ten. The Oline is not going to go from the best in the NFL last year, to old and decrepid in one year.

To complain that the team does not have enough elite players is bogus. It's a team sport and this team is going to win the division.

Posted by: midniterc | May 18, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

And for the guy who said I wouldn't have said this the year they went to playoffs and would have liked the Snyder/Cerrato FO then. I didn't. Our offense had like 100 yards against Tampa and like 75 against Seahawks. Portis and the Defense carried a still below average team to an unlikely playoff run, don't forget we were 5-6 before we rode Clinton the Horse Portis to a 5 game win streak with Lavar, Washington , and Taylor forcing turnovers and scoring almost as much as our offense. Right then we should have made moves to build on that foundation, we had a solid base, we needed to resign Clark, another solid young corner or two, Draft youth on the both lines and sign two big possesion reciever to compliment Moss, and do something to address Mark Brunel. I know hindsight is 20-20 but how could anyone watch the last 8 games of that season and think Brunel was a viable option still, he was pathetic. And Moss and Cooley were our only pass catching threats. So what do we do, we let Clark go (a "core Redskin"), we sign a guy everyone new was a egocentric jerk that SF was all to happy to get rid of (Lloyd), trade for another guy SF couldn't care less about keeping (Rumph), and sign another guy they deemed not worth keeping (Carter). People when your signing SF's cast offs your in trouble. And Archuletta was and is exactly what everyone else in the league thought, essentially a limited in the box blitzing safety, so we make the highest paid safety in history? The only siging that was acceptable was Randle El. We did nothing to address the growing age of our lines and we didn't either give Campbell the job from Day 1 like we should have (say like the Bengals did with Palmer and Kitna, and Kitna was twice the QB Brunel was the prior year to that move) or cut Brunel and bring in a Drew Brees or another veteran starter. Just poor management, by a front office who can't see the forrest from the trees (Gibbs b/c he is too emotional attached to the roster as the coach) or by two guys who shouldn't be in charge of a high school JV's roster (Snyder/Cerrato).

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

One other observation, friends: The thing that made G1 such a great coach and superbowl winner with three different QBs was control of the line of scrimmage. Football doesn't change. You still have to control the line to win. That said, there are different ways of controling the line. On the D side, you can take away all the options that a QB has giving the D-line a chance to dig in or move in. On the O-line it can be about having enough options that the opposition dioesn't know where the next punch is coming from.
What I'm saying here is tha contrloling the line of scrimmage doesn't have to cmoe from having the most meat. I can recall more than one instance last year where the lines looked bad, but it was because of bad calls from the coaches: Don't forget that key component.
I choose to hope, friends. The team chooses to hope, that's why they're practicing. That's why Portis and Taylor talk the way tohey do. Up with Hope, down with Nope!

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Love em or Leave em,

I'm not a Snyder lover but you have to admit he has taken at least a semi-step backwards since Gibbs came on board. So you can't say that he has not been patient with player/coach personell. Now when Gibbs leaves that may be a different story and he will revert back to his old ways.

In my opinion, this was a very negative post and a huge downer.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

PDIDDY!!!!! what the Fck is your owner doing paying 6 BILLION for aQUANTIVE? and WTF is THAT?

gates actions are looking more and more like actions of another desprate owner, owner of your fav. team. at least when snyder buys freeagents we've actually heard of 'em!

Posted by: dealer | May 18, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Our talent level is actually pretty good.

QB = Solid but young
RB = Among league best
WR = Good #1, 3, & 4. Questionable Lloyd
TE = Solid #1 but no depth
OL = Above average unit, no depth
DL = Below average unit
LB = Average to solid, with potential (Mac)
Secondary = Potentially very good
ST = Can Suisham kick?

So, the keys to success are a healthy OL, a solid year from Campbell and some life out of the DL. I'd say 1-2 decent but cheap signings (e.g., Adams) and even the DL would have a chance to be average.

I'm not predicting 10 wins, but some seasons everything will go wrong and other seasons everything seems to go right. Big draft/depth picture aside, we have every reason to hope for solid success this year.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | May 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Please do not mention the Rumph trade as a horrendous event. I barely care about the joke we sent to SF for him (Taylor Jacobs).

Posted by: BT | May 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't anyone ever have any original analysis of the Redskins front office. Blah blah blah, need a GM, that will fix everything. (See the last twelve articles by Sally Jenkins, Michael Wilbon, Thomas Boswell, et. all). Well the skins stunk it up for a long time in the 1990s with Charley Casserly and the Cooke ownership running the "classic" model that everyone wants them to switch to, just to point out. There are no guarantees in football. And in the modern game it is just so hard to predict. How quick we forget that just two seasons ago everyone was riding high on Mark Brunell and the 10-6 Redskins after defeating the Bucs in the first round of the playoffs.

Posted by: Springfield, VA | May 18, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

midniterc,

Sorry, I don't think you'll find many people who would say our O-line was the best in the NFL. And they are all a year older with nothing behind them still. And if you really think that 4.5 yds/carry and 19 sacks was the problem than I'm not the one who doesn't understand the team or football. Our secondary was bad, but if the line could of at the very least held the point of attack our safeties wouldn't have led the team in tackles and wouldn't have been so easily beaten over the top b/c they were so worried about run support. And if the line could have generated any pressure at all our corners would have looked a lot better. Let's not forget, it's not like we went on a massive win streak when Springs did finally come back healthy.

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of hearing media types write about the need for a GM as if it alone will improve the Redskins. Adding a GM doesn't automatically insure success, case in point the Detroit Lions. How have they been doing? I hear especially on ESPN how the Chargers GM has done such a wonderful job. Well drafting LT and Drew Brees was a no brainer. How have they done in drafting players for their secondary? Not very well most are gone either traded or released. What the Redskins finally have is stability. Coach Gibbs knows what he is doing and probably one of the most important things he has done is helped Dan Snyder steer clear of old overpriced free agents. They did make a mistake last year with Archeleta but the mistakes are becoming fewer. It takes time to build a team and it can be done in different ways. If you look at the Patriots most of their "stars" come from late rounds of the draft or free agents that are castoffs. Signing Randy Moss this year is out of character for them so we will have to wait and see if this was a mistake.
The Redskins don't need a team of first round draft picks. They need consistancy among coaches and players. I think they are finally on this path. They also don't need a GM. Signed - Redskins fan in San Diego.

Posted by: Carol | May 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

"Quarterback Jason Campbell will compete in the DirecTV NFL Quarterback Challenge in the Cayman Islands this weekend. It will air on ESPN on Friday, Aug. 3. The event also features Minnesota's Tarvaris Jackson, Detroit's Jon Kitna, Jacksonville's Byron Leftwich and San Francisco's Alex Smith. "

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 18, 2007 12:29 PM

I guess last year's champion couldn't be bothered to defend his title. Too easy. So we're sending Brad Johnson this year.

Posted by: SMACK | May 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

To all you guys who are bored with the blog, write your own uniquely original thoughts and topics to add to the discussion! What do you want to discuss then, all you do is bash the topic, then go on and debate it. I'm not hearing anything new from you guys either. Throw something out there and lets discuss! Until then, don't hate on the topic yet participate in the discussion. And BTW, I was not "high on Mark Brunel" after they went to the playoffs, he was pitiful.

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I thought this competetion was for STARTERS only?

Posted by: 4th | May 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Jack - Your rant was exactly what I was talking about. You're critcizing a FO after the fact. Tell us WHO we should have signed last year instead of the players that we did sign? The FO tried to upgrade the team and build on the 2005 playoff run but failed. Sh*t happens, welcome to the NFL where any given team can win in any given year. They could have done nothing and we'll never know what the result would have been. Maybe this year those 2006 free agents will pay dividends for us. That's all we can hope for. I don't care who we sign, who we let go, I'm still going to root for this team and feel like we have a shot to win it all. Maybe I'm being unrealistic, but I don't care.

Posted by: CC | May 18, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

ok these skins need a GM blogs/articles/theories are just well too far overblown. i can name a ton of negatives about GMs around the league, just as easy as some of you can talk about negatives of no GM. Lets see, briefly, ernie accorsi put together a group of players are selfish 'me' players who dont mesh well up in NY(shockey, plax, eli, formerly tiki). I know the colts just one a SB, but look at how many defensive starters they lost this offseason so they can make room for freeneys franchise tag tender or the longterm deal he might eventually sign. oh and because they got almost two hundred million wrapped up between manning, harrison, and wayne. The Detroit Lions, Matt Millen, need i say anymore about that? i could go on and on about the bad decisions GMs make. like casserly passing on reggie bush and vince young for mario williams. yet, everyone here is crying about the redskins needing a GM, why? Why bring in someone else just as fully capable of making bad decisions?

Posted by: Xempt | May 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jack,

As one of the folks that challenged you to do this, nice job.

Don't really agree with the analysis, though. I think this group is an enigma more so than any group in recent memory. To often I've come into the season believing whatever the conventional wisdom on the skins was and that's what this is to me.

You've capsulized the general mode of thought for almost every non-skins expert out there and did a nice job with it by the way.

I tend to think this team will be a pleasant surprise and will leave a way for St. Joe to exit gracefully.

I think Campbell has the gifts and now the experience to run saunder's O. We have fairly young, fast receivers and the potential for an explosive running game.

The D-Line is obviously a concern, but I think an improved secondary will improve the D-Line.

I'm not saying they're going to the show or even the NFC big game the way CP seem to think, but I think we'll have a winning record. Beyond that... who knows.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Topic:

What is up with the declining interest in baseball cards?

Discuss...

Posted by: BT | May 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Jack, I would add that re-signing Pucillo and Wade has improved our O line depth very much. And in today's football you can't "groom" a young OLman for years to become a starter--they need to step in and play now. We aren't yet at the point that we have needed to address that seriously in the draft, although I do think next year would be a great time to start.

Posted by: WrongDog | May 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

BTW, Casserly is one of the worst GMs in recent NFL memory. He's up there with Millen. I remember all of the knowitall's (King, Dr. Z, Pastabelly) who lambasted Snyder for getting rid of him. Well, Snyder's alternative hasn't exactly been good, but Casserly's results with a clean slate in Houston are horrible. As bad as the Skins have been, I'd rather be us than the Texans.

Posted by: Glass Half Full? | May 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I know there are a lot of issues people want to look at with the Skins. Will Campbell succeed? O-line depth? Secondary? These are up for debate and seem pretty split opinion wise. The overriding, seems everyones a pessimist, we didnt address it enough issue is the D-Line. Seems a lot more detractors on this issue. My slant is this. The D line had issues TWO seasons ago. We needed depth and to bring in guys that would assume the roles more when Griff, Sal veia went away. We got Golston and Montgomery. Not splashy but they were rookies. Rookie DTs do not make a splash. Vince Wilfork and a couple of the guys in Chicago received accolades. But what made them effective as rookies was being in a good rotation and being SURROUNDED by talent, ie Briggs, Urlacher, a stout secondary. These rookies had to basically play full games due to Griff and Sal injuries for most of the season. No rotation. A little more weigh another year and the other guys staying healthy, this could be more than a serviceable rotation. I think Carter came on strong and the rest of our issues WERE injury. Joes first season, we lost Jansen preseason and down hill from there. Made the playoffs. Then were decimated last year by injury. Now the FO and Joe have done a poor job from the standpoint that high price individuals cost you depth. They are figuring that out this season, ie no splashy FAs. Skins WILL be back in the playoffs!!!
HAIL!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Csquared | May 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Declining interest in Baseball (and Football - I had 2,000 cards in my teen years) Cards are due to the internet, MTV, BET, VH1, American Idol. Not enough time to think about some cards that don't do anything.......

My favorite most valuable football card - Boomer Esiason's rookie card. I treasured that card, I tell ya.

I was a football nut when I was younger. I even brought the 'History and Game Recap of the Superbowl I - XXIV', which was the last SB played before publication. I can't tell you how many times I took that book to the toilet and would read all of the recaps and background info and just sit there in amazement until my legs fell asleep on me and I knew it was time to get up off the toilet......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Carol

Trading the pick that was vick and getting LT and Brees was not a no-brainer, it was arguably one of the best moves in the last 20 years there was no hype on LT or Brees that was anywhere near the hype on Vick that move took courage and forethought to fill two needs with two solid players than go for the big name, and then to follow up that with trading Eli Manning to get Phillip Rivers and "Lights Out" Merriman was a stroke of genious. No GM is perfect and I don't think our every move would be perfect if a GM was making it. But our FO has had 10 years of ineptitude that any GM would have been fired for a long time ago. Evidence:

Duckett
Archuletta
Jeff George
Bruce Smith
Deon Sanders
Mark Brunel
Patrick Ramsey
Taylor Jacobs
Rod Gardner
Ryan Clark
Smoot version 1
Antonio Pierce
Brandon Llloyd
letting Trent Green go
Letting Brad Johnson go when he went 10 - 6 and won the division
and a host of traded away for little return or wasted draft picks on guys who aren't even in the league anymore.

The list of our successes comes nowhere near the list of our failures. Any GM would have been fired long ago. It is well past time that we get someone else in to call the shots.

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Jack,
Thanks for the reality check...don't apologize for the post. It was a good one.
You really stirred up the hornet's nest.

I'm betting you get 400+ comments on this post.

After 5-11, I'm almost certain 07 will be an improvement. Last year 8 wins made the playoffs (go figure).

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

BT,

I don't know for sure (too many brands of cards??? the emergence of video games and technology???), but I'm absolutely furious over it... I spent all of my money as a kid on baseball cards and now that investment probably amounts to as much as a turd sandwich.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 18, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Predicting how well a team will do is hard enough the day before the season starts. I wouldn't do it for money even if there was only a week's worth of games left.

But predicting it during the initial camps, when all that is heard from every team is good news, and every pundit focuses on on last year's record - it is impossible! Fun, but impossible. Who would have predicted the Steelers would go from being champs to not making the playoffs? I remember last year, everyone was saying the NFC East would dominate; the Skins, Giants and Cowboys would do well, and battle it out for the playoffs with the winner going to the Superbowl. The Eagles would spend another post-season at home with the tough competition they would face.

Not that predictions should be avoided - they are fun to read and think about - I'm busy making my own picks now - but keep this in perspective, people.

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 18, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Carol, you are long on opinion, but short on fact.

You are right, hiring a GM does not breed success. Hiring a qualified, experienced, and savy GM does.

John Butler, San Diego's GM, is a prime example. He took over in '03, two years after Brees was drafted as a 2nd round, not 3rd round pick, in '01.

Butler orchestrated the steal of the draft, maybe the decade, in the '04 draft and took Eli Manning 1st overall, then traded him to NY Giants for Philip Rivers PLUS NY 3rd in '04, PLUS 1st and 5th picks in '05.

Butler then used the NY 1st round pick to get a some guy named Merriman, as well as Luis Castillo with their own 1st. In '06, he took Cromartie, cornerback out of FSU, and O Line Marcus McNeil, who started and made the Pro Bowl, as a rookie.

Take a look at the elite, Indy (Bill Polian), New England (Scott Pioli), Baltimore (Ozzie Newsome), Pittsburgh (Rooney?), and San Diego (Butler). All of them are regularily in the playoffs, in contention every year, devoid of cap hell, and full of respect around the league.

Yeah, having a top flight GM and FO is overrated.

Posted by: k Squared | May 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Jack,
If the pure basis of your point is "we need a GM". I am definitely on board. I have a solution that is solely predicated on Danny not being the owner. We hire Marty S. as our GM. Say what you want but his hand was heavily in all the SD moves you mentioned. He will hire Cowher to move in for Coach Joe, who remains Pres!!! We all can debate over Cowher, but he will be the best available option by far in the off season, and both these men are still very young for those respective positions. Cowher takes care of hires for D and Spec teams. and brings in Russ Grimm to be O coordinator. We can keep Russ from takin a head job for a while with money... Alas just day dreaming!

Posted by: Csquared | May 18, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Jack, while I appreciate your efforts, you did make some broad, generalizing statements. Taking into consideration that coming out of last year Griffin was coming off a surgery that prevented him from getting in shape, and that this year he is NOT coming off any surgeries, and is noticably bigger, I'd say he's going to have a good year. Carter played great the last 4-6 games of the year, I've got no reason to believe that he wont continue to do that.

I'm convinced that some people just want something to piss and whine about. I mean, for crying out loud, next thing you know we'll have a guest blog dedicated to losing Antonio Pierce, or how Snyder signed Jeff George, and Deion Sanders.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | May 18, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Never got into trading cards. I'd have a hard time being willing to pay for them for my own sake - why would I value a piece of printed cardboard? If I need details,statistics, or a picture of any athlete, I can easily find them online. And there are better ways of making investments ...

Posted by: Gonzo, MD | May 18, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

And if you scroll up a mere 6 postings, there you will find, Jack himself, pissing and whining about none other than Jeff George, and Deion Sanders.

MOVE ON. That was 7 years ago, WTF!!!!

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | May 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby - I am upset about it too. I used to love going to the baseball card shop and buy the cards of my favorite players. I think you are right that there are just too many brands producing too many cards.

4th floor - You have a valid point as well. Maybe that is why "pokie mon" (sp.) cards, etc. have become so popular

Posted by: BT | May 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

hey Jack are you related to Sally"MORON"Jenkins????????????

Posted by: redskinz57 | May 18, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm not exactly sure what we're even discussing here.

FACT: The Skins FO is in the bottom quarter of the league.

FACT: The team's performance will continue to be average to poor as long as the circus continues.

But... FACT: You have to give credit where credit is due.. this team also showed tremendous restraint in terms of free agency, the draft, etc. THIS year. I'm thrilled, but don't forget the last time we showed restraint... it was in '05, when we were out of money... Result = 10-6, playoff win.

The following year, last year, it was back to their old ways like an alchy who fell off the wagon. Over spending galore, draft picks for candy, etc.

The real test to see if this FO has learned its lesson will be next year, or maybe not even until '09 when they free up some cap space. Right now their hand is forced, so it's easy to say they showed restraint. Let's see what they do over the next 2 years.... that will be the real test, especially if they clear a little bit of cap room.

Oh, and I completely disagree with anyone who says we are NOT in cap trouble and never have been. We are in a constant state of cap trouble. If we weren't, we would have to beg players to restructure year in and year out. We wouldn't have to restructure deals in the middle of the year to sign core guys like Betts. We wouldn't come within 2 dollars of the cap max. We wouldn't be completely void of solid depth on the dline. People need to look outside the box and realize that cap hell doesn't necessarily mean that you are over the cap and your team is constantly purging players, which does also happen here. It's also when your team is completely limited on options, forced to beg for restructures, demand bonus money back from players, are unable to re-sign core guys, etc.

A smart FO doesn't do what they do.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm not exactly sure what we're even discussing here.

FACT: The Skins FO is in the bottom quarter of the league.

FACT: The team's performance will continue to be average to poor as long as the circus continues.

But... FACT: You have to give credit where credit is due.. this team also showed tremendous restraint in terms of free agency, the draft, etc. THIS year. I'm thrilled, but don't forget the last time we showed restraint... it was in '05, when we were out of money... Result = 10-6, playoff win.

The following year, last year, it was back to their old ways like an alchy who fell off the wagon. Over spending galore, draft picks for candy, etc.

The real test to see if this FO has learned its lesson will be next year, or maybe not even until '09 when they free up some cap space. Right now their hand is forced, so it's easy to say they showed restraint. Let's see what they do over the next 2 years.... that will be the real test, especially if they clear a little bit of cap room.

Oh, and I completely disagree with anyone who says we are NOT in cap trouble and never have been. We are in a constant state of cap trouble. If we weren't, we would have to beg players to restructure year in and year out. We wouldn't have to restructure deals in the middle of the year to sign core guys like Betts. We wouldn't come within 2 dollars of the cap max. We wouldn't be completely void of solid depth on the dline. People need to look outside the box and realize that cap hell doesn't necessarily mean that you are over the cap and your team is constantly purging players, which does also happen here. It's also when your team is completely limited on options, forced to beg for restructures, demand bonus money back from players, are unable to re-sign core guys, etc.

A smart FO doesn't do what they do, but I guess time will tell if they have righted the ship.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Csquared - The Skins FINALLY have some stability in the coaching staff and you want to bring in a new coach who in turn will bring in his own staff?

Posted by: CC | May 18, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Many thanks to JamesTuthill for tracking down the Portis interview where he goes into detail about the disfunctional 2006 Redskins.

Seeking out and finding nuggets like this is what this blog is all about. Again, thanks.

For anyone who hasn't listened yet and is too lazy to go back and find the link, here it is:

http://www.sportstalk980.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=JohnThompson.xml

There are a number of Portis interviews on the page. Skip down to the one labeled "CP opens up very candidly in his weekly appearance with SportsTalk 980, revealing his insights into the organization."

Posted by: mugamack | May 18, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

THANKS FOR THE LAUGH CRAY-BABY SKINI FANS. HAHAHAHA. WANT SOME CHEESE FOR YOU WHINE. HAHAHAHAHAHA. COWBOYS MOST SUCCESSFUL NFL FRANCHISE EVER. TAKE THAT TO THE DRY-CLEANERS CRY-BABY SKINI FANS

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

CC, Sorry, I was partly kidding around with the link between Schottenheimer and Cowher and Grimm and Redskins! Seriously, I am optimistic for this season. But if the Skins stay healthy and are woeful you can bet change is coming...

Posted by: Csquared | May 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I used to be huge into sports cards.....the downfall was a huge shift inthe industry.....instead of a few brands with 15 cards in a pack, there were like 40 brands, some selling 'packs' of 1 card for liek 10 bucks! The overwhelming supply was horrible....

I still remember when a decent card price was like $2-5 for a good player rookie, but when Randy Moss had a huge rookie year, his cards were going for like $50+!! A lot of these pushed collectors out....

Posted by: Jon | May 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

mugamack;

What does that Portis interview make you think? It makes me think we are FCUKED!!

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Jason you could have not said it any better

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect I find this guest blog to be rambling and incoherent. I could write the same blog in two sentences. Here goes:

As Steve Spurrier used to say, "You are what your record says you are." This is a 5-11 team until they prove otherwise.

Done. See this way I don't have to make any mistakes like referencing Cory Raymer who was cut a year ago and frankly should have been cut on the spot after his sub-in performance at Seattle (though I assume she meant Rabach) as well as saying teams like the Pats don't let good young talent like Dockery go. The Pats do it all the time. On the offensive line alone, Joe Andruzzi and Damien Woody come to mind.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I was never a collector, but I read somewhere about the trading card biz having an enormous boom and bust, and is still recovering from the bust. So perceptions today are probably whacked because prices soared during the boom period.

Here's an article on the topic which may be interesting, about the comeback of baseball cards:
http://seattleweekly.com/2007-04-25/news/after-the-bust-baseball-cards-are-making-a-comeback.php

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Jack, What's the value in telling people to have a pessimistic outlook? If I had the time, I could come up with just as many things we're doing right. Off the top of my head: It's Gibbs 4th year of go-round #2 and most of the rest of the coaching staff has been here that long too. Also, our offense really showed some big potential toward the end of last year. Sure, Jason is inexperienced. That's the pessimistic way of looking at things. He's also young and hungry and sat waiting for a few years to prove himself. He's got a terrific arm and lots of potential. Sure, I was upset when we got rid of Brad Johnson and Trent Green, but both are not without their own limitations. The grass is always greener.

I'm not saying that I think everyone should believe that we're going to be 10-6 or better next year. But, I believe that, and I don't need someone to reiterate the major pessimistic viewpoints that are already made continuously on this blog.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Jon,

I agree on the downfall, and it's sad. This may sound ridiculous, but baseball cards were a huge part of my life growing up. Honestly, my childhood was family, playing rec and back-yard sports, watching sports, and collecting baseball cards.

Heck, I remember waiting for the mailman to come at the end of the month so I could look at Beckett, the pricing guide. Do they even make that thing anymore? I looked at one a few years ago and had to put it down after cards like my Ripken and Griffey rookies were going for like 5 dollars. In the hay-day they were over a hundred dollars, and I even spent over a hundred dollars on some of those cards... so depressing to think about it..

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

CC,

They should have resigned Clark, signed Joe Jurevicious (sp?), personally I would have cut Brunel and gone after Brees, Sam Adams or Grady Jackson or Ma'ake Kemoeatu, maybe you still do the Carter deal but not at that contract and also with another end like a Ryan Picket or Masanto Pope or Trevor Pryce or Kimo von Oelhoffen, another WR like Randy Hymes for Baltimore (huge guy like 6'6") or Marcus Robinson along with Randle El, corners like Will Allen or Phillip Buchanon or Terrell Buckley or Ahmad Caroll or Jamar Fletcher, a punter like Todd Sauerbrun, and a kicker like Ryan Longwell.

You will notice out of that list the only real big name is Brees. Sure hindsight is 20 - 20 but the writing was on the wall that our Dline depth was poor, Brunel had reached the end of the line (the two pitiful playoff games) our secondary was thin behind the starters and that Ryan Clark and Taylor were a great fit, and we need a big possession WR to compilment Moss. You wouldn't be able to make everyone of these moves but you could make a lot of them for what we paid Carter, Lloyd, and Archuletta. Remember the new CBA that year gave us room to operate and I for one would have been very happy with 50% of these moves over signing a safety everyone in the league knew couldn't cover and a WR who his on team hated.

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Either Portis isnt the person we think he is, maybe a little too negative and not seeing the situation right, or our team is full of a bunch of players who dont seem to care and will not step up.

But which ever it is, it is not a good thing. He threw at least half of the team under the bus. Maybe they deserve it, which makes him the holder of the key to the future by leading by example.

If they did not deserve it, then there is a hugh disconnect on this team which may never be repaired.

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS PLAYER CARDS ALWAYS GO UP IN VALUE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST PLAYERS FOR THE BEST TEAM.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Glad folks liked the Portis interview. One of the many interesting things Portis says in that interview, which I verified by watching game tape but have never seen reported, is that the team ran substantially more stretch/zone blocking at the end of the year for Betts than they did in the first 10 games or so for Portis/Betts. I found this hard to believe so I consulted and the game tape and, as usual, Portis was right. It is in fact very noticeable if that is all you are watching for. The early games we ran about 50/50 of man/pull-and-trap blocking vs. stretch/zone blocking. Later, it is overwhelmingly stretch/zone for Betts down the stretch.

What does this mean? I am not sure. It might mean that Gibbs/Saunders thought Betts was better suited for stretch plays or, as Portis intimates, that the line itself is better suited for stretch plays. Portis has made clear that the stretch/zone blocking is what he prefers.

Maybe Jason knows.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I really gotta work on my typos.

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS PLAYER CARDS ALWAYS GO UP IN VALUE BECAUSE THEY ARE THE BEST PLAYERS FOR THE BEST TEAM.

Posted by: | May 18, 2007 02:00 PM

i hear boofer's voice sounding like: "HAVE YOU SEEN MY BASEBALL?" and "FRANKS AND BEANS, FRANKS AND BEANS"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I am a little confused... That interview with CP is 5 months old. If I am wrong then sorry. If not, I am not taking the temperature of CP or this team based on comments from a guy who is extremely competitive, just endured a 5-11 season, and finished on IR, and as yet had not even had surgery or started rehab!!?? I would be DAMN frustrated too. He just said we are going to the NFC Champ. game a few days ago!!!! Hail! Go CP...

Posted by: Csquared | May 18, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm I agree with the very last part of this blog. And parts of the beginning pointed in that direction. Succinctly: You can't build a teams on free agents in this league anymore because teams are able to keep quality players. Even doormats such as the Phoenix Cardinals and Oakland Raiders. The Raiders were probably the last team to build successfully from free agency. But they had an excellent core of players where even past their prime they were better than most. The only players teams are releasing are usually problem players. There is the exception of teams in cap hell like the Redskins and that may be why they had to give up Dockery. But more than that: look at the problems Archuleta and his salary caused. Are you going to pay Dockery more than Samuels?

But you still need free agents to fill the gaps. One can make a good case that Casey Rabach (not Cory Raymer) could make all-pro with a good season. As could Santana Moss. HB Blades could become your next Harold McLinton, Neal Olkewicz.

However, you really BUILD a team with the low round draft picks NOT THE HIGH ONES. First, with the cap, they cost too much, second they turn out to be higher risk than low rounder. Low rounders must produce and prove themselves to get a starting job and to get paid. 1st rounders get a huge signing bonus that makes them instant millionaires. Need I remind you of Gibbs last mistake: Desmond Howard? Or Michael Westbrook? Rod Gardner? Let's look way back at Tory Nixon a second rounder beaten out for a spot by Raphael Cherry? Where the hell is Markus Koch and WR Walter Murray. But low rounders (6th round on) Mark Rypien, Ravin Caldwell, and Kurt Goveia made the team. Poor CB Brian Davis got yanked by Richie Petitbone and eventually released. And Timmy Smith had one great game. But Ed Simmons and Clarence Vaughn made the team. Beyond Darrel Green we find Chip Lohmiller at number one. He was well worth the pick when all is said and done despite being just a kicker. But Mike Olphant and Jamie Morris? What happened to them? However, 6th rounder Stan Humpheries became a superbowl QB in SD. Oh gosh remember their 1st round defensive tackle? Tracy Rocker? What happened to him? But you know who was drafted in the TENTH round and made the team? Mark Schlereth. He probably has a few rings on his fingers. He has a ring from the Skins. He has 2 from Denver blocking for John Elway. Then tbey drafted LB Andre Collins. He made the team but didn't really distinguish himself. But in the FIFTH round they drafted a RB named Brian Mitchell. Now who would you rather have on your fantasy team? Mitchell or Collins? Rocker didn't work out so they draft another 1st round DT in Bobby Wilson. After that well there was Ricky Ervins ... sigh ... but then they made one of the COLOSSAL mistakes ... a Snyder Cerrato mistake before they even had the team. They let an obscure TWELFTH rounder they drafted go. They released him. His name was Keenan McCardell. YOU might have heard of him? So the following year they draft Desmond Howard. Okay so Howard turned out to be a great return man. But who would you rather have on YOUR TEAM? WR Keena McCardell or Desmond Howard? You can lay this error right on HOF coach Joe Gibb's doorstep. The very last player drafted that year Matt Elliot worked as a center guard both with the 'Skins and the Panthers. After that the draft gets decidedly worst!!! Because now both the high rounders and the low rounder were unable to make the grade or the team. Post Gibbs: Heath Schuler, Tre Johnson, Gus Frerotte, Cory Raymer, Andre Johnson. Then finally they draft Steven Davis in the FOURTH round. He the all-pro running back. Then Kenard Lang and Derek Smith. Followed by Stephen Alexander, Skip Hicks and Shawn Barber. 3 of the last 6 are still playing. Then Champ Bailey, Jon Jansen, La Var Arrington Chris Samuels. This shows marked improvement drafting in the higher rounds but not in the lower rounds. AND THEIR MEDIOCRE RECORD reflects that.

That was long-winded. But look at the draft picks made recently? Compare them with the past. Look at the contributions low rounders have made as opposed to the 1st rounders. And how much more trouble the high rounders created for the team and team chemistry. EVEN granting the explanation of an out-of-control owner.

LOW ROUND PICKS thriving and surpassing like Anthony Montgomery and Kedrick Golston are absolutely vital to winning a super bowl. The high rounders usually live in the critical skill positions like QB, RB, WR, CB, LT.

Then there are the special guys you might find at LB and safety. As Springs put it: 3, 9, 5, 6. The places the defensive backfield was drafted in the 1st round. It could become something really special or a grand bust. Only time will tell. Best way to gauge success is by their attitude. If they have the right attitude the SKY IS THE LIMIT just ask Keean McCardell TWELFTH round draft pick of the Washington Redskins.
Smoot would be 45 and in the 2nd round.

Posted by: periculum | May 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone getting up in arms about the CP Interview?!?!?!

IT WAS DONE AFTER THE LAST WEEK OF THE SEASON LASSSST YEAR!!!

We talked about it here and we all thought CP was a stand up dude for calling out the necessary people. WTF are y'all trying to do?!?!?

We are eons from last season and he and the WHOLE team has had time to reflect on it...

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 18, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Good work James Tuthill;

I noticed the very same thing last year. It seemed when Brunell was in, our offense was completly different than when Campbell was in.

Hopefully it was only coincidence that Betts was the benefactor. I guess we will find out September 9th.

I am still very worried about Portis' comments about how the team seems to be afraid of the coaching staff. Also it seems that the running plays are gibbs, and the passing is Saunders. Kinda like the DB's were during the deep throat scandal last year.

Too many generals, not enough soldiers in the coaching staff.

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

muga, Zebra, um, you dudes are talking about a radio interview from two and a half months ago, during Super Bowl week? I think you're obsessing a little too much. It was just Clinton being Clinton.

If I were coming off an incredibly frustrating and disappointing season for the team and myself individually, I'd have a lot of venting to do as well. All those emotions would be magnified during Super Bowl week, watching two other teams prepare for the title game.

All the recent quotes from all the dudes, including Clinton, have been very positive. I'm just sayin'.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU 4th FLOOR!!

Posted by: Csquared | May 18, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh right, it was even farther back than the SB week interview. Sheesh.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

periculum, Congrats on the thesis. Check your facts though. Andre Collins was credited with the most tackles for the 1991 Super Bowl-winning team. Hardley someone who "...didn't really distinguish himself."

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 18, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Hardly

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 18, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I think some things in the Portis interview we can chalk up to frustration (like throwing Derrick Dockery under the bus, my gosh that was harsh).

But other things, like saying Lloyd, Brandon has alientated the whole organization, why are we to believe that has changed? I am going to assume, unless told otherwise, that Lloyd, Brandon is about as popular in the Redskins locker room as he was in San Fran.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

> periculum, Congrats on the thesis. Check your
> facts though. Andre Collins was credited with the > most tackles for the 1991 Super Bowl-winning team.
> Hardley someone who "...didn't really distinguish > himself."

True but then mustn't we ask ourselves why they let him go to try out some of the guys the drafted at LB? And what happened to him after he left? Of course the same might be said for Mark Rypien. But then he was low rounder who lasted quite a while.

Posted by: periculum | May 18, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Have to defend JamesTuthill on the interview.

I asked for proof that Portis was down on Lloyd. dcsween chimed in that he'd like to see the proof too. No one came to JamesTuthill's defense (although many of you had apparently already listened to and discussed the interview months ago). So JamesTuthill went back and found the interview.

And I thanked him for it. I didn't attack Portis, I just thanked a guy for finding the info for me.

While I'm at it I'd also like to thank Jack for the guest blog - you couch everything in fairly pessimistic terms, but I agree with your overall assessment My hunch is the most likely result of 2007 is within a game of 9-7 (not really going out on a limb there), but I have hope that the team could win the NFC East.

Posted by: mugamack | May 18, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I didnt read all the comments, but did anyone notice that this blogger still thinks Raymer is our center?

Plus Periculum, do you have any facts to support your thesis that winning teams are built around low round draft picks? Cause I ClOSELY have paid attention to every team's entire draft the last five years, and there just really isn't that many late rounders that stick.

New England is probably the best at it, but even they cut a LOT of late round guys.

I want more draft picks for the Redskins, and you can unearth some gems here and there a'la Marques Colston and Mark Anderson, but I think you're theory is heavily flawed.

Posted by: Dan P. | May 18, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

huh?

I think you also indirectly overvalued Keenan McCardell.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks mugamack,

Yes, that is how the Portis interview came to be discussed. Folks were questioning my statement that Portis did not like Lloyd so I went and found and linked the interview.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Your analysis of the offensive line is completely off. Clearly D Dockery was the work player on the line and frankly was a liability for most of his time here. His play did improve at the end of last year, but he was still the worst player on the line. Samuels, Thomeas and Rabach all have at least 3 good seasons left in them. 30 to 32 years of age for an o-lineman is not much. They can play a couple more years at a high level. The deal Dockery got from Buffalo was insane. Kind of like the deals we gave archaleuta, and B Lyodd.

Posted by: A Nass | May 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Your analysis of the offensive line is completely off. Clearly D Dockery was the work player on the line and frankly was a liability for most of his time here. His play did improve at the end of last year, but he was still the worst player on the line. Samuels, Thomeas and Rabach all have at least 3 good seasons left in them. 30 to 32 years of age for an o-lineman is not much. They can play a couple more years at a high level. The deal Dockery got from Buffalo was insane. Kind of like the deals we gave archaleuta, and B Llyodd.

Posted by: A Nass | May 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Who farted? This blog stinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Debate on this....
SI.com rankings for QB's going into 2007.

1 Peyton Manning
2 Tom Brady
3 Carson Palmer
4 Drew Brees
5 Philip Rivers
6 Donovan McNabb
7 Ben Roethlisberger
8 Marc Bulger
9 Matt Hasselbeck
10 Michael Vick
11 Tony Romo
12 Matt Leinart
13 Jay Cutler
14 Vince Young
15 Brett Favre
16 Steve McNair
17 Alex Smith
18 Jeff Garcia
19 Jake Delhomme
20 Chad Pennington
21 Jon Kitna
22 Eli Manning
23 Damon Huard
24 Trent Green (assuming he's a Dolphin)
25 Jason Campbell
26 Rex Grossman
27 Byron Leftwich
28 J.P. Losman
29 Matt Schaub
30 Josh McCown
31 Tarvaris Jackson
32 Charlie Frye

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

WOW, TOUGH CROWD.

Good on the effort Jack. It takes courage to put your words up for scrutiny, and that should be applauded.

Posted by: Skin Patrol | May 18, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

On a related note, what the hell is Sarah Silverman doing on my Maxim cover?

Posted by: Diesel | May 18, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that the guest blogger has lots of opinion but little proof. Here is his argument for why we have below average talent on our team.

"We are an old, aging, injury-prone team, that just isn't as talented as almost 20 teams in the league but certainly not anywhere near the top ten! Need evidence? Other than Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, and maybe Marcus Washington there isn't a single player on the Redskins team that would take over at least 10 players at that position.
Now let's look at that statement that means that only 6 of our 22 starters are above-average players."

Brother, the math says if you are better than 16 starters at your position (32 teams) then you are above average. So, if we were an average team then 11 of our 22 starters would be better than average and 11 wouldn't.

By your own admission we have 6 players that are far above average (top 10 type players).

I'd add the following players to the "above average" list. Griffin, Rogers, Springs, Flecher-Baker, Thomas, Campbell, Jansen, and Betts.

So, that means we have 14 above average players (way above an average team's 11) and 6 of those players are top 10 type players.

The math says we are above average. So, take your pessimism elsewhere.

Posted by: 50% is average | May 18, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd add the following players to the "above average" list. Griffin, Rogers, Springs, Flecher-Baker, Thomas, Campbell, Jansen, and Betts.

So, that means we have 14 above average players (way above an average team's 11) and 6 of those players are top 10 type players.

The math says we are above average. So, take your pessimism elsewhere.

Posted by: 50% is average | May 18, 2007 02:36 PM


Carlos Rogers above average? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Pass me what you're smoking.

Posted by: Lance Uppercut | May 18, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya SkinPatrol. Kudos to folks who take the time and effort to put their words up in writing.

I also applaud your effort yesterday which was a thoughtful one. Your defense of Cooley in subsequent postings also forced to me go back and review all sorts of Football Outsiders numbers this morning, which is always good. This blog keeps me on my toes.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

You guys are right;

3 months ago. But this time of year everyone is optimistic, even the players. They have to be, why come to work if not?

Not trying to be a true pessimist, but if you think the FO is messed up still, then this kind of resentment and team disarray could still be in place.

Remember it is only OTA's, people have had time to cool off, but when the first crisis comes about, we will really see if these issues are squashed as many think they are.

Posted by: Zebra | May 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia should be higher in my opinion. Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Michael Vick and Donavan McNabb are all too high. I'll let Jason Campbell prove himself before I start to argue on his behalf. I'm confident he'll move up the list without my help.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 18, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jeff Garcia should be higher in my opinion. Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Michael Vick and Donavan McNabb are all too high. I'll let Jason Campbell prove himself before I start to argue on his behalf. I'm confident he'll move up the list without my help.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 18, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

FYI...I have it on good authority that BOOFER is actually Chris Larry. you can choose to believe or not believe, but it is what it is.

P.S....I just cracked the mystery of 4th floor changing his name to ES temporarily.

Posted by: Blog Police | May 17, 2007 10:38 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling the Skins are going to prove your article completely wrong this season. The offense, particularly Campbell, Betts and the O-line started clicking toward the end of last season. It's not unreasonable to expect significant improvement this year, since everybody is returning, and Al Saunders system typically takes about a year to get fully implemented, and this is his second year. Secondly, if Lemar Marshall did his job as middle linebacker last season, S. Taylor would not have had to make 120 tackles. The middle linebacker should be any teams leading tackler. London Fletcher should instantly take care of that problem averaging close to 135 tackles per year. HUGE upgrade at safety with the release of Archuletta, and major upgrades at cornerback, which you just brushed over. Macklin, smoot, and Rogers are better than the average teams top 3 CBs, plus we have springs (when healthy). You point to injuries to o-linemen and d-linemen, but you could pretty much say that about any teams o-line and d-line, it's a tough sport, and injuries happen. Offense returning and a significantly upgraded defense (i.e., holdman won't be there to give up 66 yard runs this year). We did well to keep our starting corps in place this year, and it will pay dividends this year, as we don't have anybody that has to learn "the system," except for the rookies. It's going to be a good year, just for the simple fact that many fans have given up hope. That's usually when it happens. I'd love to review this blog article at the end of the season to show you how wrong you really are about this season.

Posted by: Max | May 18, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Jack is right...this team will be improved, in 07 but it is not a SB caliber team. Can the Skins win the division? Maybe. Can they win a wild card berth? Why not.

Can the FO start building the team for long-term success? Yes, anything is possible.

As Fans can we be patient and accept some short term pain (not signing DLman), deal with salary cap issues and watch the team "coach then up"? I guess not.

I'd rather see them pick up the 2nd and 3rd rounders and develop elite players. That seems like the only way to see the sustained high level of play (championships) we want as Skins fans.

Hail!

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Please don't let these negative nancy's blog here anymore. J-la should be the only negative nancy allowed to blog around here. Leave the negative nancy talk to the Philly fans, who are never happy with anything.

Posted by: Max | May 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Please don't let these negative nancy's blog here anymore. J-la should be the only negative nancy allowed to blog around here. Leave the negative nancy talk to the Philly fans, who are never happy with anything.

Posted by: Max | May 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Please don't let these negative nancy's blog here anymore. J-la should be the only negative nancy allowed to blog around here. Leave the negative nancy talk to the Philly fans, who are never happy with anything.

Posted by: Max | May 18, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Pass the Kool-aid.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Just in time for the U.S. Open, Ace Authentic recently released its 2005 Signature Series set - essentially the first "high end" tennis card set, with all the bells and whistles collectors have come to associate with baseball, basketball, football and hockey issues.

Posted by: loco mullin | May 18, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

DALLAS COWBOYS AND GEORGE W. BUSH ARE THE 2 BEST THINGS TO HAPPEN TO THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

by ranking of the qb's. First Favre, Hasselback and McNair should be higher. Romo and Vince Young are just right.

I hope JC show's them all that he should be higher ranked.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | May 18, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Deisel,

Dude, Sara Silverman is HOT! For a chick married to Jimmy Kimmel.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Re: Sarah Silverman... personality is a big contributor to hotness. She's done a lot to establish a naughty girl persona -- check that, way beyond naughty into dirty girl territory -- and she's pretty funny. That counts for a lot.

She's kind of the sleazy cousin of Tina Fey.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

DALLAS COWBOYS AND GEORGE W. BUSH ARE THE 2 BEST THINGS TO HAPPEN TO THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: | May 18, 2007 02:54 PM


I've never laughed so hard in my life. Thanks for the chuckle.

Posted by: Go Skins Go | May 18, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to be negative isn't it. Just like it's easy to say "sell" a stock "after" it's dropped 10%. It's much more difficult to be positive with a team that has been so bad for so long. So I understand you taking the easy route. History doesn't predict the future in football, and this is the year the skins turn it around for good.

Posted by: Max | May 18, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Please--Would it be possible for the guest blog posts to contain paragraph breaks? I know they are guests, but I'm sure the Post could spare a paragraph break or two. Please?

Posted by: King Bonehead | May 18, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I think a refresher on the concept of the guest blog would be in order. Captain Obvious says:

The guest blog allows just about anybody to sound off at length on just about any topic, ideally related to the Skins.

Cindy and Jasno welcome guest blog contributions, I think first and foremost because they highlight the participatory nature of the blog. And in lean news times, or during a J-La vacation like this week, they give us something to discuss AND can provide an excuse to start a new thread when the previous one has accumulated hundreds of comments.

The drawback is that this is almost always a one-active-thread-at-a-time blog, so if you don't like the post at the top you may not be motivated to add any comments. And you may not enjoy the conversation that comes from a blog you didn't enjoy in the first place.

Just trying to respond to an undercurrent of negative commentary about guest blogs in general and this one in particular.
I think a lot of that criticism misses the point, and is too harsh. And I want to see guest blogs continue, because I almost always enjoy getting a new perspective or in-depth analysis, even on a topic we've spent time on before.

Anyway.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I kind of expected this reaction. It is indicitave of the "this is our year" point I was trying to make. I actually think we have a legitimate shot at a winning season and a playoff birth. But we are a long way from legitimate contention. We are a second-tier team that is in need of a major overhaul at critical positions on our roster. The sooner we all start accepting that (and the Danny) and not putting the win now pressure on this team and start building for the future by getting some youth in and developing it the better we will be in the long run that was my entire point. Anyway, talk to everyone Monday, I'm going drinking!!!

P.S.- Can we lay off the Raymer thing, I know Rabach is our center, I was going to make the point that Ray Brown and Raymer were our top backups and how pitiful that was decided not to and mixed up the names. SHEEEEEZ. Sorry!

Posted by: Jack | May 18, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What a freakin' blowhard I am. Sorry, that was awfully scolding in tone, even for me, Cap'n Obvious.

Happy Friday, everybody.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

I pooped my pants.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | May 18, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, NYC blog peeps, I'll be in Gotham two weeks hence, right after Memorial Day. Let's meet up for a drink. jm220, a non-alcoholic drink for you.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Nicely said, I also think this is our year

Posted by: Alexander | May 18, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

memo to nate:
tina fey isn't good looking.

Posted by: dealer | May 18, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Well said, my friend. No need to apologize.

Jack, Jack, poor little Jackie. You wrote a nice piece here, brother.

You give and you give and all the reading public can do is point out the blatantly obvious mistakes we make. Like that Sean Taylor never speaks to the media... Until he does on the same day you wrote that he doesn't... Oh, wait, that's me.

I would imagine that in the article about Sara Silverman there is a list of things she won't do in bed and it's empty.

And she's funny. And married to Kimmel, which means that most of would have had a shot with her.

Anyone see her segment on the "Aristocrats".

F---in' classic.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW.....what an article.This is not about the danny or even the organization.Please don't bring up the past,when you obviously have no clue of what it represents.This whole situation is on the shoulders of one man and believe me when I say that he stands alone.We went to 4 super bowls and won three with so called no talent teams.We are and have been the ultimate underdogs of the NFL.They scoffed at us on a yearly basis.We were too old,we had no talent.For thirty five years the draft has been an after thought to the culture of this team and organization.You can count on one and a half hands how many first round draft choices we've had in 35 years....big deal.5 super bowls and three chanpianships later we are in the top 5 over the past 35 years.Now,that I've had a few let me say that this is Joe Gibbs team.This is the type of team he invisioned when he came back.two years ago we made a run and if it wasen't for Brunell hurting his knee and a second receiver that could play,we would have been playing the steelers.Okey....we took a dirt road last year.And now that I'm totally intoxicated,understand this redskin fans.This team is primed to make a deep run again.I don't care about 2008 and beyond.We want a championship and this team that is so far under the rader is primed to be the next worsed to first team.Just when you think he (joe gibbs) is done,that's when he is at his best.The NFC is for the taking and the time is now to make a move.If I'm wrong and we are 8-8,then fine,have your 15 minutes of fame.But for the true skins fan it's time to start up the bandwagon and go as far as we can.

Posted by: old school | May 18, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Can someone help me get this burger off the floor and into my mouth?

Posted by: The HOFF | May 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

memo to dealer:

Are you gay??? Teasing... I like the Tina Fey. A little boney, but I think she'd giva a good effort.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Jack, it was a good post, lots of strong points. It's inevitiable that some will try to rip you or blow holes in your opinion. You know you will never please everyone.

Ignore the criticism. Frankly, why you feel it necessary to defend every attack against your thread? The critics are probably the same d bags unwilling or unable to put together their own thread.

Posted by: k Squared | May 18, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Is that a banana in your g-string?

Posted by: Eddie Murphy | May 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

drinking and driving the bandwagon, old school?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I am in the pro-Tina Fey camp. I think she's got a weird foxy quality, and she's funny, smart, and a UVa grad, to boot.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyway.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 03:12 PM


quit kissing a$$

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Was that really our beloved Old School up there? Dang!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

DC is a land of cynics. Yes. 'Tis true.

The truth is not so grim, Cindy, though you make some great points.

Our O-line might be called elite the past couple years. I'm seeing it ranked in the top 5 using various metrics that account for run blocking and pass protection. That's element one needed for a contender.

Most teams need an elite QB to go all the way, but Gibbs never did. Apologies to Theisman, Williams and Ryp -- none was a franchise QB when Gibbs took them to Disneyworld. Campbell is good enough for a Gibbs team.

The giveaway of draft picks is maddening, as is the departure of key free agents and the signing of sketchy ones. But, I am not convinced the Skins are worse than average on that count. Every team buys lemons and lets eventual studs depart.

Dallas and Philly both brought T.O. in. NYG signed Arrington last year. Philly overpaid for Kearse, and missed on a number of LBs lately. Bledsoe and Meshawn did not exactly light it up in Dallas.

No, roster mistakes are part of the business for every team except New England, it seems. The Ravens cannot find offense, and make the Bears look like the 80s 49ers.

We have had some success with undrafted free agents. Lemar Marshall, Ade Jimoh, Antonio Pierce before we nickle and dimed him, Ifeanyi Ohalete.

We have also provided an opportunity to thrive for many players cast off from other teams -- Mike Sellers, Joe Salave'a -- and made them into something much more than expected.

If we stopping mortgaging the future for risky and costly free agents, as implied by Gibbs boasting before this draft that we have all picks in hand for next year -- we'll be OK.

The one thing we surely lack that is essential on a Super Bowl team is a premium pass rush. All the Gibbs Championship teams had it. All the recent Super Bowl Champions had it. Heck, even the Super Bowl losers had exceptional pass rush lately (Bears, Seahawks, Eagles, Panthers, Rams, Titans, Giants, etc.).

So, that's what we need. With the current crew, 3.1 yards per carry given up in 2005. And, Golston is looking good.

Keep your chin up, Cindy. I have a feeling we may sneak in at 9-7 or 10-6 this year.

Posted by: The Balance | May 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

DC is a land of cynics. Yes. 'Tis true.

The truth is not so grim, Cindy, though you make some great points.

Our O-line might be called elite the past couple years. I'm seeing it ranked in the top 5 using various metrics that account for run blocking and pass protection. That's element one needed for a contender.

Most teams need an elite QB to go all the way, but Gibbs never did. Apologies to Theisman, Williams and Ryp -- none was a franchise QB when Gibbs took them to Disneyworld. Campbell is good enough for a Gibbs team.

The giveaway of draft picks is maddening, as is the departure of key free agents and the signing of sketchy ones. But, I am not convinced the Skins are worse than average on that count. Every team buys lemons and lets eventual studs depart.

Dallas and Philly both brought T.O. in. NYG signed Arrington last year. Philly overpaid for Kearse, and missed on a number of LBs lately. Bledsoe and Meshawn did not exactly light it up in Dallas.

No, roster mistakes are part of the business for every team except New England, it seems. The Ravens cannot find offense, and make the Bears look like the 80s 49ers.

We have had some success with undrafted free agents. Lemar Marshall, Ade Jimoh, Antonio Pierce before we nickle and dimed him, Ifeanyi Ohalete.

We have also provided an opportunity to thrive for many players cast off from other teams -- Mike Sellers, Joe Salave'a -- and made them into something much more than expected.

If we stopping mortgaging the future for risky and costly free agents, as implied by Gibbs boasting before this draft that we have all picks in hand for next year -- we'll be OK.

The one thing we surely lack that is essential on a Super Bowl team is a premium pass rush. All the Gibbs Championship teams had it. All the recent Super Bowl Champions had it. Heck, even the Super Bowl losers had exceptional pass rush lately (Bears, Seahawks, Eagles, Panthers, Rams, Titans, Giants, etc.).

So, that's what we need. With the current crew, 3.1 yards per carry given up in 2005. And, Golston is looking good.

Keep your chin up, Cindy. I have a feeling we may sneak in at 9-7 or 10-6 this year.

Posted by: The Balance | May 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I have buckwheat in a headlock below the belt... still interested?

Posted by: Tina Fey | May 18, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Old School re'resentin'! I'm under the "rader" with you, my man! Here that??? It's the rumble of the bandwagon! Although I think only Kornheiser can start it up officially.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I used to be fat too.

Posted by: Tina Fey | May 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

UVA wouldn't know a good time if it hit them in the face.

Posted by: wahoos stink | May 18, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Carlos Rogers is def set to have a breakout year. We're doing all of the double postings 'up here' so he dosen't have to...

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 18, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

i feel the need. the need for speed

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I try to love all Skins no matter what they do... but Carlos Rogers is just about the only one I can't even force myself to like. For starters, he has yet to live up to the number 9 pick. Second, he is a cocky, arrogant, ignorant football player for no good reason (like being good). The dude needs to shut his yapper and play. He needs to stop celebrating after a WR beats him by 10 yards BUT drops a TD. He needs to shut up about the Pro Bowl. He needs to start making interceptions, not dropping the ball. THEN he can make all that "other noise" he makes on the field.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 18, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I guess I beg to differ with the guy who seems to want to claim that most winning teams are built with high round draft picks. Find an teams that has only 1st and 2nd round picks in the starting lineup on both defense and offense. Find a team that has 75% of the starting lineup in that category.

The free agent pickups (like Pierce) are just as important. They represent what used to be rounds 8-12 in the draft. Those rounds could potentially add critical components to your team.

This is not the first Gibbs team to have a first rounder at QB. Doug Williams was after all a 1st round choice. The next would be Theismann in the 2nd round by Miami. After that Schroeder in the 3rd.

Finally given both Detroit's and the Skin's experience with receivers in the first round. Detroit actually fares better. Roy Williams is still there and starting. The Skins have nada
from the first round. They have even had poor
luck in the 2nd round for Kriminey's sake. With one lone exception: Art Monk. After that you have
to go back to Charley Taylor. And he, like Monk, was a running back in college.

Posted by: periculum | May 18, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

QB rankings/my prediction for next year:
I am going to list my guess for how these players will fair next year, using the + = - system. If I think a player will lose their starting job during the year they get the big L. I am semi re-ordering these, if someone will be out of the starting lineup then I move em to the bottom.

1 Peyton Manning =
2 Tom Brady =
3 Carson Palmer +
4 Drew Brees +
5 Philip Rivers +
6 Donovan McNabb - (if no injuries +)
7 Ben Roethlisberger -
8 Marc Bulger =
9 Matt Hasselbeck -
10 Michael Vick - (maybe L)
12 Matt Leinart +
13 Jay Cutler +
14 Vince Young =
15 Brett Favre -
16 Steve McNair =
17 Alex Smith -
20 Chad Pennington -
22 Eli Manning - (longshot L)
24 Trent Green (assuming he's a Dolphin) +
25 Jason Campbell +
26 Rex Grossman -
27 Byron Leftwich -
28 J.P. Losman +
29 Matt Schaub ?
31 Tarvaris Jackson ?

11 Tony (blow the big game) Romo L
18 Jeff Garcia L
19 Jake Delhomme L
21 Jon Kitna L
23 Damon Huard L
30 Josh McCown L
32 Charlie Frye L

Posted by: 35332 | May 18, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

blog badly bogging
needs two week hiatus
recharge batteries

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Amen to wahoos stink.
UVA... what a bunch of lame tulips
James Madison is THE University of VA

Posted by: JMU4LIFE | May 18, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

UVA....what pansies, by far the lamest school I've been to. JMU.....whoa nellie, nothing but hot a$$ running around there. no offense, but it's got unlimited amount of hot a$$ and a bunch of jackoff guys, but man the chicas can get down.

Posted by: wahoos stink | May 18, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

YAWN!!.....enough with the gross assumptions and everyone's brilliant HINDSIGHT!!

NFL is wide open to any team any year.

Skins could be 14-2 as easily as they could be 2-14.

Anyone that says "the Skins should of..." or "would have been better off if they would have..." is an idiot.

If they sign a bunch of free-agents everyones pissed and if they don't sign anyone everyones pissed.

Get over it....either root for your team or don't. They're not setting foreign or domestic policies.....ITS FOOTBALL!!!!

Nothing is lamer than someone going on about how much of a fan they are of a team and then rip into that exact team. That's something Yankees and RedSox fans do on each others blogs to hide there true colors.

BTW- Cindy predicting failure in the NFL is a talent that we all possess. If I predict that every team is NOT going to win the Super Bowl, I'd be right 97% of the time.

If "If's" and "But's" were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

You can't grasp the future if your holding on to the past........Use the force....LET GO!!

Posted by: Mike C | May 18, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

You said it all man.we definately need a gm.we also need to get rid of cerrato,he sucks,on another note we should trade for alex brown.I still get the feeling we are going to end up with Briggs,and damn i hope we dont!

Posted by: xpac69 | May 18, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, you realize Cindy didn't write the guest blog, she just posted it on Jack's behalf. You get that, right? Just checking.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

And nice UVa hating. Way to bring it, fellas. Ouch!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

My apologies to Cindy then, but I wouldn't put my name anywhere near a Blog started by Jack......That explains everything......That guy really is an un-informed idiot.

I heard he is Pete Prisco incognito!

Posted by: Mike C | May 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

There seems to be 2 main points here one I agree with and one I don't. I agree that the FO has made a mess of things. After that in my opinion most of the rest of your argument falls apart.

Andre Carter and Golston couldn't start for any other team in the NFL? IMO that's beyond wrong, its flat out silly.

Our offense with the inept Brunnel, raw Campbell, missing our best player in Portis, and learning a new offense STILL finished 13th in the league in offense. Imagine next season where all these variables should work in our favor as opposed to against us.

In terms of us being an old team. That's true in places specially our DEs and offense line.

Otherwise we've been drafting DTs, LBs & the secondary. How can we assume that they all won't work out? We won't know until it all plays out.

And our main offense weapons: Campbell, Portis, Betts, Cooley, Moss are young and are in their prime not the downside of their careers.

In my opinion, the future isn't as bleak as you paint it my friend. Though I agree with your shots at the FO.

Posted by: mike | May 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Though I am new to the blog, I wish to propose a rule:
Do not post uinless what you have to say is practically perfect in every way.

This way no one will be albe to criticize and no one will get their facts wrong and no one will

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 18, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

My apologies to Cindy then, but I wouldn't put my name anywhere near a Blog started by Jack......That explains everything......That guy really is an un-informed idiot.

I heard he is Pete Prisco incognito!


Posted by: Mike C | May 18, 2007 05:30 PM

well then, since you're the informed, smart one, go ahead and send in a guest blog of your own. then we can all say "gee whiz, that mike c, he's knows everything."

Posted by: ru kidding | May 18, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Love em, I'm choosing to believe that Gibbs is leading Snyder away from those bad practices which marked the beginning of his ownership, the profligate spending and pursuit of bright shiny objects (big-name/low-impact FAs, Steve Spurrier).

I'm choosing to believe that Snyder wants to win big and win consistently as much as we do. It's not easy for me, but I really want to believe that even a man like Snyder can change his ways, especially due to the influence of Gibbs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 12:29 PM

AMEN!!!

Posted by: stick75 | May 18, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Awwww.....JACK decided to post as "ru kidding"....how sweet.

Posted by: MIke C | May 18, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

hoping for the hitting of mike c very much with the hard smacking hammer on the top part of his head

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Okay, it's been a long week and I am a little bit under the weather, so forgive me if I offend anyone.

Jack - nice guest blog. You are a very brave person.

For those of you who have nothing but criticism, please forward your own guest blogs to Cindy or Jasno so that you too can be ripped to shreds.

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Nobody said the march to 100k was going to be easy, or without its tough spells. But come on, people, let's at least be civil up here. Doing my best not to be blog nanny.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 18, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

As others have indicated at various junctures, the blog hierarchy is as follows:

Jasno, aka Jason La Canfora - a Washington Post reporter assigned to cover the Redskins who also blogs as "Redskins Insider"; he is currently on vacation (or officially, taking "comp time", since it is off-season. OTAs are being covered by Howard Bryant)

Howard Bryant, aka HoBo - another Washington Post reporter assigned to cover the Redskins; to the best of my knowledge, he does not blog here, but Jasno and Cyn Cyty may know otherwise. (Jasno and HoBo combined cover the Redskins more or less 24/7 all year, so one can be sleeping or on vacation or whatever while the other one works. It's how the Post primarily covers the Skins.)

Cindy, aka Cyn Cyty - a Washington Post sports editor and Jasno's editor; she also posts on this blog occasionally as well as initiating new threads when Jasno is unavailable. She does not edit guest blogs.

Guest Bloggers - fans of the Redskins (usually) and fans of "Redskins Insider" who have something lengthy or of particular interest to say on a given Redskins subject, and who are patient enough to write it all down, e-mail it to Jasno or Cindy, and wait for it to appear as a new thread. For the most part, they are just like you - A REDSKINS FAN WITH AN OPINION.

Guest Blogging was begun by Jasno to add a little more democracy to this blog (unlike the autocratic style of most blogs on the web) and was further ramped up in the off-season as a way to get through the off-season when the news stream is slow.

More or less, this is the way things are here. You may not like it, but it is what it is. If you really don't like it, you may find that another blog at another site will give you more personal satisfaction.

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I agree Nate, too much baiting and hating.

Okay, if the Skins had a GM. What are the guiding principles that he (or she) should follow to build long-term success?

As a Skins fan I don't want to just see them win a championship, I want a dynasty that dominate the NFC east for many years to come.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

She????? Are u out of your F'ing mind...

Posted by: Caveman | May 18, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I thought that'd get a response.
lol
Sally Jenkins for GM!

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Well now we know stumped is a gal.

Posted by: BFF | May 18, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Has the quarterback challenge already happened???

If so does anybody have any update on how it went, if not then when does it happen? (it was previously posted as happening today)

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 18, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It's Friday and late in the afternoon (PBT) Pacific Beer Time.

This is the second time I've been accused of being female on this blog...I detect a certain misogynistic undercurrent, what with the implication of posts by Caveman and BFF, not to mention some pinhead periodically posting faking comments as Lisa.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

someone up here has mud butt. this blog reeks

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who still think the skins have no talent consider this:

I'd rather have Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels, ARE (as a punt returner), and Taylor than anyone else who has played their positions for the Redskins in the last 35 years. That's pretty dang impressive to have them on the same team.

If you think I'm overblowing their abilities then tell me who you'd replace them with.

Posted by: 50% is average | May 18, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Good question 50%
Monk for Moss?

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Bmitch for ARE

Posted by: honkytonk | May 18, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm blocking on the TE Gibbs used in the glory years....what was his name?

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Gotta admit 50%, even these would be real tough choices, you can make the argument either way.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

don warren

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels, ARE (as a punt returner), and Taylor than anyone else who has played their positions for the Redskins in the last 35 years.

Posted by: 50% is average | May 18, 2007 06:57 PM

Well, let's see -

Portis? That Riggins guy was pretty good, wasn't he?

Moss? I guess it's a toss-up between Monk and Clark.

Cooley? The jury is still out - he may just be another Clint Didier

Samuels? Not sure he would have broken into the original Hogs starting lineup. And that Lachey guy was pretty good.

ARE? Didn't Brian Mitchell return punts?

Sean Taylor - you're right on this one. He is definitely the best safety the team has had.

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

will someone please pass me the tities.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Even if Taylor weren't the best safety. Who in their right mind would say otherwise? Even on an anonymous post.

Feel the fear.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

How about if we pass you a dictionary instead?

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

someone has the trots, this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Otter--

You forgot Ken Houston. He's in the Hall of Fame as a Redskins safety, and Sean Taylor is no Ken Houston. Taylor may surpass him one day, or he may go the other way. We'll see.

Posted by: KK | May 18, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

KK,
Better watch what you say about #21. There is a forced fumble in your future.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya.

Portis over Riggo...man that was a tough call. I had to pick Portis because I believe, if he were running behind the Hogs like Riggo was he'd have took it to the house much more often. Still, tough call.

ARE over B Mitch...B Mitch was tough. He'd take it right up the middle. I loved that guy but every time ARE touches the ball I'm thinking he's going for 6. He's so much more elusive than B Mitch was. B Mitch was tough. ARE is explosive!

Lachey was great. No doubt. Was he the athlete that Samuels is? I doubt it. Tough call. Hard to compare offensive tackles.

Cooley's hands are fantastic! He catches everything. And nobody we've ever had at tight end ran after the catch like Cooley does. He's the best without doubt in my mind.

Moss is just like ARE. Every time he touches the ball it looks like he's going to take it to the house. He's so lightning quick. Him, Monk, and Clark would all make great catches but Monk and Clark couldn't catch Moss even if he had a million dollar bill taped on his back.

Of course, nobody is arguing over the Reaper.

Even if you did choose someone over these guys it wouldn't be by much.

If JC can play above average this year. I think we could make some noise.

Posted by: 50% is average | May 18, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

KK-

No, I didn't forget about Ken Houston. I was thinking about Sean Taylor as a free safety (his new designated position) whereas Houston was a strong safety. Houston was definitely a topnotch player

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree with this blog totally. This team is very good. We are one of the most talented teams out there overall. If you check man to man match ups with the exceptions of a few AFC teams our squad wins everytime talent wise. The attitude however has been lackluster in DC because players have come here to get paid.Also issues such as Portis's injury and special team misuses of AA and LA have poisoned the lockeroom. I see that changing this season and 2007 will be a huge year for the skins! Jason Campbell's leadership and work ethic will wake a sleeping Giant in DC, and I can't wait! Attitude that he is displaying since the 2006 season has ended is infectious and will turn us into a winner. It has already had a influence on Brandon Lloyd and I fully exepect him to have a big year GO SKINS!!

Posted by: True Fan | May 18, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Jack

I agree with most everything you wrote. we overall average at best talent and some age and depth concerns at dline in particular. the need for better management and player evelauation has been evident for a long time.

That said, perception of how a team is can change quickly. nothing changes opinions quicker than than having a young QB take over and become a player. Our "plan and future is named Jason Campbell. Those who know me know that its all QB /coach. That is what the real contending franchises have and what we have lacked since Gibbs I.

Overall we can be a wild card type team and build something if Campbell and the offense play at a high level the defense will be better, simply because we have upgraded by subtraction.(Arch holdman wright rumph marshall)still have to find a third down rush specialist.

we can hope for something super, but most likely we can expect improvement and chance at the post season. I think we would all take that.

Posted by: Old School | May 18, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record -

Clint Didier had the misfortune of being a receiving TE in the 80's, in a run-first offense that featured Monk, Clark, and (later) Sanders at WR. When he did play, here is how his numbers stacked up

player/receptions/yards/TDs

Cooley 165 1822 19
Didier 141 1923 21

So far, the only exceptional thing about Cooley is that he is called a TE, but in reality, he is used as the #2 receiver.

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Old School, you get a nap in, or still going strong?

Posted by: mugamack | May 18, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

must have been my alter ego....

you guys know me better than to lay it out like that....i liked it though.

migght have to call my self the (Original) Old School... if he comes back in here.

Posted by: Old School | May 18, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

RE: Todays talent
Compare with http://www.redskins.com/team/history-70.jsp

I hope Gibbs can get the team to gel in 2007.

That Portis interview (posted above) leaves the impression that there was no unity.

I may be naive, but I think if the team could have pulled together last year, it would have been at least been a .500 season, instead of 5-11.

Posted by: Stumped | May 18, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey True Fan, what positive influence has Jason Campbell been on Brandon Lloyd? I didn't hear about that and I'm desperately hopeing someone gets through to Brandon. He has huge potential. I'd like to see him achieve it. What did you hear?

Posted by: 50% is average | May 18, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Stumped--

A forced fumble in my future? That would be a welcome change. All my fumbles now are unforced. They just happen.

Posted by: KK | May 18, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Brian Mitchell is hard to pick over ARE just because of how much he accomplished in his career. He's 2nd only to Jerry Rice in career all-purpose yard and will probably make the HOF despite the efforts of Peter King's and Dr.Z's.

But talent wise its probably a push, ARE is faster and more elusive but Mitchell was evasive in his own right and could fight thru contact a lot better.

ARE is likely trying to tackle a run away chicken, Mitchell was like tackling a wild boar. In the end, both make tacklers look really silly.

ARE has a different but slightly bigger role in the offense but Mitchell has his role too and returned kickoffs.

and aside from maybe Trent Green( and Stan Humpries....the original "never should of let him go guy"), they're better than any 3rd string QB we've ever carried on our roster.

Totally agree though the 'Skin are deep, talent rich, and far from old. We can't expect to have Superstars at every position.

Posted by: Mike C | May 18, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

memo to larry bud:
i may or may not be gay but you two are blind. you need to stop letting People magazine tell you which people are "beautiful".

seriously. are you kidding? and yes, she's the worst snl "head" writer ever!

even cindy'll tell you guys otherwise.

and yes, uva sucks! sorry nate.

btw, i just searched for "tina fey without makeup"...came across a couple of anti-jewish shtuff...WTF! it's 2thousandFcking7!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | May 18, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Okay Jack...Did you miss Adalius Thomas getting let go by Baltimore, did you miss Edgerton Hartwell take the same path...Deion Branch doens't play for New England anymore and oh yeah what about Jeremiah Trotter? you do realize they let him walk right? Don't give me that garbage about the good teams keep all of their young players because that's what it is, garbage.

Also, a word of advice on how to be a fan, you can criticize all you want and be a cynical ***hole anytime, but if you go into a season as a fan of a team predicting the worst I think you're missing the whole point of being a fan. You can't root for someone you expect to lose, it's an oxy moron and you just happen to be a plain old moron...Thanks for the guest blog Jack, it was well worth the price of admission.

Posted by: Donny, C is the way to B | May 18, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

But talent wise its probably a push, ARE is faster and more elusive but Mitchell was evasive in his own right and could fight thru contact a lot better.

ARE is likely trying to tackle a run away chicken, Mitchell was like tackling a wild boar. In the end, both make tacklers look really silly.

Posted by: Mike C | May 18, 2007 08:33 PM

These are great descriptions - you should get "post of the day" (if only such a thing existed).

Posted by: Otter | May 18, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Otter--

Post of the day does exist -- sort of. Everyday the Post prints their version of Best of the Blogs on p. 2 of the sports section.

Not sure how they decide, but it's nice to know that someone is reading thes stuff and deciding what has merit.

This truly is worthy.

Posted by: KK | May 18, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

did someone not wipe properly? this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The greatest thing about the whole Redsdins Insider blog experience here is reading all the divergent opinions of the diehard fans which essentially amounts to a large pile of incredible beeswax but makes terrific fun reading- it's true tough love.

WE ARE FAMILY!

I agree with everyone of you skinheads and love it all. Keep the faith! and THANKS!

GO TEAM- WIN SOME- LOSE SOME- KEEP THE FAITH!

Posted by: hman1217 | May 18, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

i like really big breasteses

Posted by: Anonymous | May 18, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

This thread became a little silly to read. But if you are prepared to pick ARE over B Mitch, you are fn high. You may have issues with what B Mitch says nowadays, but please. No contest. ARE is worthless.

Posted by: SMACK | May 18, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

(in my best Derek Zoolander voice) Earth to Dealer,

I still like the Tina Fey and the Sara Silverman.

Just remember this about me son "it all started the first time I went through the second grade. I caught my reflection in a spoon while I was eating my cereal, and I remember thinking "wow, you're ridiculously good looking, maybe you could do that for a career."

I'll see you back stage for a walk off. Are you an ambi-turner? I am.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 18, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Just checking in. My internet access is limited until next week.

Nothing to add except this week's Simpsons is going to be a take-off on 24.

I'm addicted to this blog.

Posted by: charlie | May 18, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Otter,

in regards to Safety- not better than The Reaper but worth mentioning is the hard-hitting Danny Copeland

Another interesting meaningless note:

B. Mitchell born August 18 (and Mike C)

A. Randle El born August 17

debate all you I want, I think it'll be a push when all is said and done but anyone who thinks that ARE is worthless is "f'n high".....not that there's anything wrong with that....

...just don't bogart the thing......puff puff give, man........puff, puff, give....it will be OK.


Posted by: Mike C | May 18, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Tony Romo is a pillow biter.

Posted by: Cowboy Insider | May 18, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Portis best years ahead of him, was this a typo? his best years are behind him.
Lame guest blog, why not publish anything else until canfora comes back from vacation, the guest blogs aren't getting better

Posted by: Steve B | May 19, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Nate - Did Chris call you yet?

Posted by: bigfish | May 19, 2007 12:13 AM | Report abuse

crickets chirping

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 12:29 AM | Report abuse

When you learn to write proper English maybe there will be a reason to consider your points. Until then....

Posted by: Grammar! | May 19, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

bigfish, huh?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I had dinner with your best friend, his wife and daughter tonight in Plano, TX. He's my wife's cousin.

Posted by: bigfish | May 19, 2007 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Are there some ter*orists on this blog sending messages among themselves in code?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 1:26 AM | Report abuse

We were at his sister Samantha's house talking and he asked me where I grew up and I said Manassas. He then says that his best friend Nate grew up in Manassas. I thought for a minute and for some reason I asked him if his BF Nate was a big Skins fan because I knew of a big Skins fan named Nate in Oregon that posts on a blog that I like to read and he said yes. I then told them your blog name and Rebecca said that it was also your My Space name. I'm assuming that we were talking of the same person.

Posted by: bigfish | May 19, 2007 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Holy moley, that is amazing, bigfish! The power of the blog, in full effect!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Hilarious.

One small note: I didn't grow up in Manassas... my family moved there at the same time I started at UVa, which is where I met Chris. I am a Tidewater native.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 1:30 AM | Report abuse

We live just a few blocks from those guys, now that we're moved into our new house. It was Chris who spotted a Redskins sign on another house in the neighborhood, when we were out with the wives and kids for a walk.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 1:31 AM | Report abuse

This is a well thought out report, it is all 100% true. I am an insane fan, constantly reading up on the skins,watch every game. The only time I've missed games is when I was out training in the field.I always support them no matter how bad they are. But it annoys me that some people are just dismissing this guy and talking s***. Grow up, the truth hurts, it just doesn't mean we have to stop fanatically rooting for our team.

Posted by: armyskinsfan | May 19, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

So what's the deal with you living in Plano TX and being a Skins fan? That is the heart of 'enemy territory.' Where did you grow up?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 1:33 AM | Report abuse

It was very coincidental that he happened to bring up your name and I happened to ask what I thought may have been a dumb question. Just shows what a small world we live in. I told him a few RI vocab words to bring up to you when you guys talk. I thought he may have called you by now.

Posted by: bigfish | May 19, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Nate - I just moved here a year and a half ago due to career moves with my wife, cost of living and weather for the most part. I was born and raised in Northern VA. Manassas, Fairfax, Centreville. I actually live in Grand Prairie, TX.

Chris' sister lives in Plano. We were over there this evening cooking out because Chris and his family were in town. His mom and dad were there also.

Posted by: bigfish | May 19, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Wow, completely horrid "analysis".

The QB position is in bad shape in part because we let Brad Johnson go? How would keeping Brad Johnson--who would be either 38 or 39 this season--have HELPED us right now in 2007? The QB position is also in bad shape because we signed Jeff Hostetler as backup QB in 1997???!!! What??

You have to do more than just list off the QBs over the last 10 years to make your point, whatever that point may have been.

And what the heck does this mean: "...isn't as talented as almost 20 teams in the league but certainly not anywhere near the top ten!" Just in case this didn't register, if you're not in the top 20 in terms of talent, then it goes without saying that you're ALSO not gonna be in the top 10 lol. That's like saying "Not only are the Redskins not one of the top 16 teams in the league, they also aren't in the top half of the NFL". Redundancy does NOT make for better analysis.

Raymer is no longer on the team and hasn't been for over 2 years. This doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your analysis when you make basic mistakes like this.

The team is "old and aging"? Isn't this basically the same thing? Again, redundancy does not equate to better anaylsis. Besides, there are maybe 5 teams in the NFL that are NOT "aging". That's what happens when you keep your roster together for more than a year or two. That's usually a good thing.

As for depth behind Springs, you ARE aware, aren't you, that we signed Smoot and Macklin as depth, right? That a big upgrade over the likes of Wright and Rumpf. Unless you want to make an argument that it's not. Good luck with that.

Lastly, you say "other than Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, Chris Samuels, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, and maybe Marcus Washington there isn't a single player on the Redskins team that would take over at least 10 players at that position."

I guess London Fletcher couldn't start for anyone but a handful of teams if given the chance...sure. And had Landry not been drafted by the Skins, nobody else would have taken him until mayyyybe the 6th round, because obviously nobody would have seen him as a realistic potential starter on their defense this year.

The fact that so many posters have nodded in agreement with your analysis without being thrown off by the horrendously flawed logic is what I find the saddest part in all this. Apparently if you put down the Skins, you don't need logic. Putting them down is enough.

Posted by: Just Me | May 19, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

bigfish, can you just pay for a phone call to Nate? The rest of us don't care to listen in on this conversation.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

1:45 AM - How do you "listen" to the blog? Where's the blog that reads to me and where I can record my voice? That would make drunk blogging a lot more interesting though.

Posted by: bigfish | May 19, 2007 1:52 AM | Report abuse

All right, anonymous poster, I hear ya.

But I will have you know, as a diehard Skins fan who moved away from the DC area last year, this blog serves as a very real connection with other Skins fans, many of whom are also located far away from DC. So I think it's cool that through the magic of the blog I just made a connection with bigfish.

I know, I know, whoop dee doo. But look at it another way: none of the comments in my side conversation with bigfish lamented letting Pierce go, or recommended firing Vinny, or suggested how much better off we'd be if Snyder sold the team.

And they all count towards 100k.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

I think that we will be VERY good this year, IF we stay healthy. This is the 1st time in 7 years that Jason Campbell will be in the same offense for 2 consecutive seasons. I'm sure that's probably the biggest reason that I'm hearing he's the early star of OTA's. His progress could potentially turn Santana, ARE, B.Llyod & Cooley into one of the most explosive receiving tandems in the league. I'm also pretty sure that zone blocking is here to stay and that CP will thrive behind it once again. The offensive line will have to adjust to the loss of Dockery, but there is otherwise very good continuity there. If Wade can't get the job done in camp, I'm sure that we will be able to pick-up at least an "O.K." LG. Let me now reassure everyone that the defense WILL be back this year. Gregg Williams will be able to bring the heat NON-STOP again. All of the additions in the defensive backfield were assurances of that. Our defense will at minimum be 9th or 10th. I can only imagine all of the different angles the blitzes will be coming from. MANY blocking assignments will be blown in 2007. Remember it was Sean Springs that led the team in sacks in 2004. It's not just about the front four. Please don't underestimate the scheme. Having DB's who can cover man-to-man are the key to a heavy-blitzing team like us. People should be thrilled with the drafting of LaRon Landry. I mean really think about it? We basically have TWO SEAN TAYLORS out there? Mentally, what does that do to other teams' receivers? They are going to be scared to death of to go over the middle. In addition to that, think about how much field they will be able to cover when they're in a double zone (we have to hope that they stay disciplined though). Adding London Fletcher in the middle will really solidify things for us . He is a leader and he already knows the system. He will most likely lead the team in tackles and he will make sure everybody is in the right place up front. Sky's the limit on D. We shouldn't worry about the defense as much as we should be worrying about the offense. The offense needs to step up and reach that next level. The problem is that you can hope, but you can't expect a "2nd" year QB to take you there. If JC can raise his game (and I think that he will), we will definitely be playing in January and beyond.

Posted by: J. Mags | May 19, 2007 2:10 AM | Report abuse

uh oh . . .

PORTIS SUPPORTS VICK

Redskins running back Clinton Portis and left tackle Chris Samuels have spoken out in support of Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, who currently is caught up in a dog-fighting investigation.

But they're not saying that Vick is innocent. Per Portis, it's no big deal if Vick is guilty.

"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dog," Portis told WAVY-TV. "If that's what he wants to do, do it."

As Portis spoke, Samuels started laughing, and at one point raised his eyebrows with (as we interpret it) an "oh sh-t I can't believe he's saying this" look on his face.

"I think people should mind their business," Portis added.

In response to the question of whether dog-fighting is prevalent in the NFL and the NBA, Portis said, "I mean it's prevalent in life. . . . I'm from Laurel, Mississippi. I know a lot of back roads that got the dog fight if you want to go see it" . . .

Posted by: The Crickets | May 19, 2007 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Since the Redskins could use some help in scouting and player evaluation:

GABRIEL S.O.L?

Many league insiders presumed that the replacement for Jerry Reese in New York's front office would be Bears Director of College Scouting Greg Gabriel. The Bears have drafted well during Gabriel's tenure, and he has more than 15 years of experience with the Giants organization.

Gabriel's contract with the Bears expires at the end of May, and there are now rumors making the rounds that the Bears haven't even made him an offer. Whether or not that's true remains to be seen, but if Gabriel leaves the Bears as of June 1, it won't be because he's got a job with the Giants.

Like former Bears defensive coordinator Ron Rivera, who upon expiration of his contract was unceremoniously dumped by coach Lovie Smith after making the rounds for a head-coaching job elsewhere, Gabriel could soon be unattached. And like the Chargers, who landed Rivera as a defensive assistant, one of the other 31 teams might get a chance to add a veteran scout with a recent track record of success at a time when no one really expected him to be available . . .

(The above two items - about Portis and Gabriel - compliments of profootballtalk.com)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

Posted by: The Crickets | May 19, 2007 3:15 AM | Report abuse

HEY CINDY!!!

This blog is working like a slug on beer. Even in the middle of the night, it is acting like it is going to stop running any moment. A call to BarelyMoveableType might be in order.

Thanks! : )

Posted by: The Crickets | May 19, 2007 3:19 AM | Report abuse

BLloyd turns over a new leaf???


Campbell, Lloyd Take Part In QB Challenge
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
May 18, 2007

Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell and wide receiver Brandon Lloyd are in the Cayman Islands this weekend to participate in the league's 17th annual Quarterback Challenge.

Campbell and Lloyd are part of a select group of NFL passers and receivers invited to attend the 2007 DirecTV NFL Quarterback Challenge.

In the challenge, quarterbacks will take to the field to compete in four skills competitions: Accuracy, Speed and Mobility, Long Distance Throwing and No Huddle. Wide receivers will participate in the No Huddle competition.

Among the other passers and recevers expected to be on hand for the Quarterback Challenge: Jake Delhomme of the Carolina Panthers, Byron Leftwich of the Jacksonville Jaguars, Michael Vick of the Atlanta Falcons and Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh of the Cincinnati Bengals.

The competition will air on Friday, Aug. 3, from 7-9 p.m. on ESPN, with subsequent airings in August, September and October. The NFL Network will also air the two-hour special throughout August.

During his stay in the Caribbean, Lloyd will be devoting his free time to work with "Stay-Focused," a unique non-profit organization that offers mobility-challenged persons the opportunity to become certified SCUBA divers.

Lloyd will join a very special group of kids as they embrace the opportunity to leave behind their wheelchairs and explore the world beneath the ocean's surface.

"I am really looking forward to experiencing the strong will and determination of these kids," Lloyd said. "For them to be able to spend this time participating in an activity without concern for their disabilities is going to be extremely rewarding, and I'm really excited to be doing this alongside them."

Posted by: The Crickets | May 19, 2007 3:36 AM | Report abuse

I am so glad that the season is that predictable. I guess we won't have to watch this season since it's all figured out for us.

Blah, blah, blah.

What a downer of a post.

Personally the guest blogger lost me with this statement..."Any good GM would have seen that Dockery had started for us from day 1 of his career and that agile, young, durable, 335- pound linemen don't grow on trees and would have re-signed him before last season to a good extension for a reasonable figure."

Dockery was adequate at best. And we NEVER should have come close to the offer that he was given. Any good GM would know that. He was grossly overpaid. The Redskins offered him a good deal. He decided to go for the money. Good for the FO for showing him the door.

Yet, the team that signed him wasnt raked over the coals as the Redskins are quite often for overspending.

I see alot of positives this off season and heading in to the 2007 season. Patience and clearer heads seem to have prevailed at Redskins park.

I believe in Gibbs and what he is doing. Have they made mistakes? Sure. What team hasn't? It is the NFL.

For those of you that think they suck and the front office sucks and the players suck, go root for another team.

Most of us have been through the highs and the lows with this team. I would prefer to be optimistic.

Portis, Cooley, Campbell, Selelrs, Randle El, Lloyd, the O line, the same system, the addition of Landry, Fletcher , Smoot, and others are all positives.

Also, didnt we just go to the playoffs two seasons ago? I am so sick of people forgetting that. We aren't that removed from that. At that point everyone was all exicted saying "all we need is a good #2." And now we suck.

Give me a break.

I tend to think that the 2006 year was the fluke. What could go wrong did go wrong.

If you strongly believe that the MAJOR losses of Springs, Portis, Preiloiu and others werent substantial and didnt effect the team drastically, then you are mistaken.

I dont care who you are in the NFL. You lose your startng running back, safety and corner your in for trouble. No team can withstand that in the age of a salary cap.

So, lets see how we are healthy. I think then and only then we can really see how good or bad we are.

Let's start from that and work our way up instead of down.

Go Skins!

Posted by: calobrisi1 | May 19, 2007 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Portis endorsed dog fights. WTF

Posted by: disappointed | May 19, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I love hearing from the true skins fans--

THANK YOU CALOBRISI1!

People do forget our 5-game win streak into the playoffs, and our away victory against the Bucs w/ an injured QB (Brunell's knee). Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the Steelers 5-11 the season before their outstanding SB run?

I think they were .. However the season prior to that, they won their division.

Sometimes teams have bust seasons. The fact that the Skins were relatively "quiet" this off-season is good-news. We "quietly" went out and fixed our biggest problems.

PASS DEFENSE- (S) LaRon Landry
(CB) Fred Smoot

LB DEPTH- (MLB) London Fletcher
(LBs) Young draftees "we'll see"

BEFORE SMOOT AND ANTONIO PIERCE LEFT US, OUR DEFENSE WAS 3RD BEST AND ACTUALLY FEARD!

So we didn't pick up any DL..
GRIFFIN AND DANIELS WERE INJURED LAST YEAR, PLUS WE NOW SEE HIGH POTENTIAL FOR GOLSTON!

If Redskins defense makes a comeback this year, get ready for our first division title in long time. Boy will it be sweet!

If your a true Skins fan--
You better jump on the bandwagon now, before it's too late

GO SKINS!

Posted by: Brandon | May 19, 2007 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Hail to the Redskins
Hail Vic-tor-y
Braves on the Warpath
Fight for old Dixie
Scalp 'em, swamp 'em -- We will take 'em big score
Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown - we want heap more
Fight on, Fight on -- 'Till you have won
Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!
Hail to the Redskins
Hail Vic-tor-y
Braves on the Warpath
Fight for old Dixie

Posted by: J-mack | May 19, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Hail to the Redskins
Hail Vic-tor-y
Braves on the Warpath
Fight for old Dixie
Scalp 'em, swamp 'em -- We will take 'em big score
Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown - we want heap more
Fight on, Fight on -- 'Till you have won
Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!
Hail to the Redskins
Hail Vic-tor-y
Braves on the Warpath
Fight for old Dixie

Posted by: J-mack | May 19, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Hail to the Redskins
Hail Vic-tor-y
Braves on the Warpath
Fight for old Dixie
Scalp 'em, swamp 'em -- We will take 'em big score
Read 'em, weep 'em, touchdown - we want heap more
Fight on, Fight on -- 'Till you have won
Sons of Wash-ing-ton. Rah!, Rah!, Rah!
Hail to the Redskins
Hail Vic-tor-y
Braves on the Warpath
Fight for old Dixie

Posted by: J-mack | May 19, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse


What's with all these long "guest star" blogs from other Skins fans that JLC is putting up?!?! Seems rather lame because the blogs are from fans just like the ones who routinely post on this blog. These guest star blogs aren't really insightful and just re-hash all the complaints that the fans has about the team and organization. Also, they don't contain any news in terms of behind-the-scene info. about the team.

I'm surprised there are 257 comments on the latest guest star blogs. "Skins need a GM." Really??? The Post and other news organization and media have been ranting this for the past 5 years!!! Give me a break.

JLC - stop being so lazy while you're on vacation and start put something original on the blog or at least more links of Howard Bryant's articles to strike up some debate or comments. I don't care about AEEE or whatever Skins fan you may find off the street. Their opinion has no more weight or insight than those that post their comments on this blog.

Who cares if you name your dog "DG" after Darrell Green?!?! Are you a 10-year old or something?!?!

Btw..I posted before the NFL draft the Skins could draft Landry and guess what they did. They didn't go after Gaines Adams, Alan Branch, and etc. as most of you and other draft "gurus" predicted.

There's your insight people!!! Let's think out of the box for a change instead of harping on the same complaints of the Skins over and over again.

I hope I'm wrong, but the Skins will be lucky to be 8-8 or better this year. And yes, I am a Skins Fan. I just don't buy into the hype as most fans. Eight years of mediocrity and losing by the Skins has that affect on a person.

I've suggested to JLC that he interview ex-Skins players and write a piece on how they're disgruntled or upset at how Gibbs has changed his coaching style and the way he deals with players. Also, I mentioned that the ex-Skins players have an weird feeling whenever they drop by Redskins Park...how they say it's a cold place to be in. Those suggestions went right in JLC's trash can or recycle bin apparently.

Also, I've suggested to JLC that he look into how Gibbs feels about Gregg Williams referring to his offense in Gibbs' comeback season as "high school." As you know, Gibbs doesn't like being insulted or humiliated. Does the Williams' comment cause existing friction between the two coaches? Also, how does Williams really feel about Gibbs "stealing" his idea of hiring Al Saunders as an offensive coordinator (I didn't suggest this an idea to JLC)? Williams said (in a Post article) that he takes credit for hiring of Saunders because he had mentioned it to Gibbs in a conversation.

There's plenty of interesting topics to talk about out there.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 19, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Them eggs with tabasco for breakfast was a bad idea. I stink almost as much as this blog.

Posted by: Fat J | May 19, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Just to throw another point on this.

The people that are very negative like to couch it to give their point credibility about how big of fan they are. To me that's irrelvant. I'd assume anyone spending time on a Redskins blog for the most part is a fan. We all are.

The 2nd point that some of the negative posters tend to use is that they are realists. Since they have a negative point of view, it must be the truth. I find that point a bit silly, too.

What makes a pessimist more realistic than an optimist? Not picking soley on this poster but I noticed most guest bloggers that we feature here have a negative slant.

That's fine but being negative doesn't make their opinion superior. And this guest blogger doesn't per se say that but implies lets get real here.

Posted by: Mike | May 19, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have some steel underwear? I can't stay out of the pen.

Posted by: AJ Nicholson | May 19, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Fight for old Dixie? Man, if you're still fighting for old Dixie, you're a loser. Didn't anybody tell you that? See the History Channel's, "Sherman's March To The Sea." I hope the Redskins are fighting for old DC because if they're fighting for old Dixie, we need to investigate...

Posted by: Undefeated | May 19, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

J-mack likes the racist version of our fight song.

Posted by: ICU | May 19, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

As a long time Skins fan, can't let the contention that Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels & ARE are the best players we've had at their postions in the last 35 years pass without comment.

While it's always problematic to compare players from different eras, I don't see how this claim holds up to the evidence of history.

Portis, Moss, et al have not come close to doing as well for as long as Monk, Clark, Riggins, the original Hog of your choice, & Mitchell have. I think they have the talent, but they've still got a long way to go.

Hail Redskins!

Posted by: notherNWskinsfan | May 19, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Calling all blog regulars. This blog needs an intervention. The usual Saturday afternoon doldrums have taken hold. It's so dead I find myself yearning for another post from our friendly hammy/hemmy sufferer. Perhaps he has another set of embarrassing but alliterative ailments. Please don't make me focus solely on my work. Thanks.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 19, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Baller4life,

The Skins could not have drafted Gaines Adams...he was already taken. And Branch fell pretty far in the draft.

Posted by: Lisa | May 19, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

notherNWskinsfan: Have to agree with you.

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 19, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

You have a MySpace page???

Posted by: Lisa | May 19, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Welcome, Lisa. Any idea who the Wizards are thinking about taking with the 14th pick?

Posted by: Mad Dog | May 19, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Fight for all dixie racism is poisen!!!

Posted by: J-mack | May 19, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Baller - here's a few responses for you.

"What's with all these long "guest star" blogs from other Skins fans that JLC is putting up?!?! Seems rather lame because the blogs are from fans just like the ones who routinely post on this blog."

Maybe if you actually READ the entire thread, you would know the answer to this.

"Also, they don't contain any news in terms of behind-the-scene info. about the team."

Maybe that's because it's May, and there isn't much news to report.

"I'm surprised there are 257 comments on the latest guest star blogs."

Yes, a person without friends would find that difficult to understand.

"JLC - stop being so lazy while you're on vacation..."

Baller, stop being such an a$$clown. People have a right to take time off and spend it with their families. Sorry you don't get that.

"Btw..I posted before the NFL draft the Skins could draft Landry and guess what they did."

Hooray for you. What do you want - an extra Twinkie? We had a couple of people predicting Landry as the pick as early as December. What took you so long?

"Eight years of mediocrity and losing by the Skins has that affect on a person."

Only eight years? Where were you in the hapless 1990s? Did you root for someone else previously or are you only eight years old?

"I've suggested to JLC that he interview ex-Skins players and write a piece on how they're disgruntled or upset at how Gibbs has changed his coaching style and the way he deals with players."

Times change, people change, players change. The old ways don't work anymore. Sorry you don't seem to get that. And Gibbs really hasn't changed that much anyway. Only the PERCEPTION has changed.

"Also, I mentioned that the ex-Skins players have an weird feeling whenever they drop by Redskins Park...how they say it's a cold place to be in."

Yup, life is like that - in the NFL and in every other job. Leave a job and come back a few years later to say hello and few people know you and fewer care. They've moved on - why can't you? Get over it.

"Also, I've suggested to JLC..."

Keep those cards and letters coming!

"There's plenty of interesting topics to talk about out there."

You are so highly informed and opinionated that spending time on this blog seems to be a waste of your time. Why not go out and start your own blog? Maybe you could call it "Ballers in Burgundy and Gold"! You could have new and exciting topics every day - even in May. And then you wouldn't have to worry about rehashing old subjects and junk like that. What do you say?

Have a nice day!

Posted by: Light4Life | May 19, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Fight for old DC...Fight for old Dixie. No big deal.

For those of you who are younger or newer to town, you might be very surprised to know that in the really old days (before Carolina, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Tennessee and Miami had teams), the Redskins were pretty much "The Team" in a lot of the South. That's why you sometimes hear Sonny J. refer to the old Redskins Radio Network. You could drive through the South on a Sunday afternoon and hear the Redskins game on dozens of stations. And many of the people who live in the South still refer to it as Dixie. They're still fans - give them a break.

And leave your political correctness outside the door next time.

Posted by: Tecumseh | May 19, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm just want to say, it was my 30th tonight, and I'm very disappointed there was no RI representation. I'm very drunk, I've had about 5 Jaeger bombs. I love you guys like you were family!!!

Posted by: kost52 | May 19, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jack, but I'll read your post in the morning.......when I can see.


Can you believe that after my party, we went to a club, and the wouldn't let me in, because I was wearing a tie! How in the world can you ever be over-dressed??
So I took my tie off, walked in the door, and put it straight back on. I grabbed myself a drink, and stood in front of the door, and when the bouncer looked at me, I straightened my tie, and gave him a big ol' smile! He called me over so he could have a word, but I just held up my pot, and gave him a smile.


I'm such a rebel!!!!

Did I tell you guysd that I loved you??

Posted by: kost52 | May 19, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Ok Jack, buddy, I love your passion.

First and foremost, I'm never going to bag out someone who makes the effort to give a guest bolg, you were given a challenge and you followed though. Love you buddy. I've always thought, that if you're going to challenge a guest blog, you have to make an attempt to not be offensive, but to still make a clear and strong point.

You said that the 'skins had maybe 6 above average players, I consider myself to be a realist, and I'd agree with that assessment. But at the same time, how many above average players would you say the Colts have? Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney....maybe June?? Sometimes it's all about how you play, not who plays. Look at the Bears. How many top 10 players would you say they have? Urlacher and...... um...?

At the same time, I'm not expecting a championship team this season, all I want from the 'skins, is to see every single one of those guys, play "their guts out" every single down, then I'll be happy. Can't ask more than that.

I'm sorry if I didn't make any sense.
Love you guys.

Posted by: kost52 | May 19, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Read your post fully Jack, once again, love your passion.

I love the skins too. It's hard here, because nobody understands my passion, and anytime I show it, people think I'm a d*ckhead.

Don't place so much importance on the stats.

You talk about not having a great QB? Rex Grossman made a Superbowl. Mark Rypien won a Superbowl. Dan Marino never won one. Who would you prefer at QB?

O-line? I think we have a bloddy great O-line. I think Dock, was wy over paid, and he had a choice to stay with the 'skins, or leave for more money. We know where his alliances lay.

D-Line - I agree we definitely need work here, I'm not someone who wanted the Landry pick, I would've been happy with Okoye, and I would've "pardon my french" creamed my pants, (I didn't just say that did I??) if we had've taken Jamaal Andersdon.

Who played at DT for the Colts in the Superbowl? I can't think off the top of my head, I know Corey Simon was out, and I think Booger MacFarland? played, after he was traded from the Bucs? They were one of the worst run defenses in the league don't forget. 173 yards per game they gave up!!!

Don't pay attention to the stats dude. Love the skins, but have hope. Hope is a great thing.
We ARE NOT THE LIONS

Posted by: kost52 | May 19, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Also, I've suggested to JLC..."

Keep those cards and letters coming!

Posted by: Light4Life | May 19, 2007 02:18 PM

LMGO

Posted by: mugamack | May 19, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey kost, we love you too, man.

Keep those drunk posts coming.

Happy 30th.

Posted by: mugamack | May 19, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to bed.

See you guys Monday, but my Monday is your Sunday, so see you guys tuesday, which is your Monday?? I think??

Posted by: kost52 | May 19, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks muga MACK! Love you dude

Posted by: kost52 | May 19, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

the horse dung at pimlico smells better than this blog

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

What is up nowadays with the Wapo site being overun with advertisements? Are any articles going to still be on here a year from now. Tired or looking at the stupid mugs of Hilary Clinton and Don Imus. Jeez.

Posted by: TerrorDome | May 19, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

If I here one more comment about losing Ryan Clark, I'm gonna puke!!! He wasn't Ronnie Lott for Christ's sakes!!!!!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | May 19, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

You guys can see me at Porno.com

Posted by: Lisa | May 19, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

WTF??^^^^^ The link is not working

Posted by: Steve | May 19, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The $15 hooker I purchased last night smells better than this blog, man it stinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins could have kept their defense together since 2004 with Smoot, Pierce and Ryan Clark we would have been to the playoffs more than that 1 time and maybe would have gotten to the Super Bowl.

Posted by: marquis phelps | May 19, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

lisa, not to make bigfish feel even worse but that's (the fact that nate has a myspace account) what shocked me as well. and we thought we knew nate. ;)

larry. budd, you lost me.

Posted by: dealer | May 19, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

big hello to nate, dealer, lisa, sfskin, jm220 and the rest of the crew! miss you guys, haven't had a chance to read the threads or post in a while, but just trying get in my offseason conditioning to be ready for the when things get spun up again . . .

just finished watching the skins v dallas game on nfl rewind and am still amazed at the finish . . .

a bit of offseason optimism . . .I know B-Loyd was a big disappointement this season, but if all you ever saw of him was how he played in that dallas game you'd think that cowboys fans would be the ones wanting to see him go (two big catches a huge block on CP's TD run and a huge pass interference call). . .

can't fault a guy for showing up against dallas . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | May 19, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, yeah, the myspace thing. What can I say? I work on the Interweb so I have to keep an eye on social networking type stuff. Is that good enough? No, I know it's kind of lame, but it's harmless. It's not like I'm cruising for dates or anything.

Look, until last fall I never thought I'd be one of those people addicted to a blog/board like this, and here I am. Here we all are. So y'know...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

8k! How's it going out there, all well with the family?

I'm hoping Lloyd and Rogers have good, solid years. If those two, who were such obvious weak links/disappointment last year, can contribute to this team we'll be instantly better. I'm not saying I expect this to happen, but good years (not great years. trying to be realistic) from both of them would be huge for us.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 19, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Love'em or Leave'em, you're preaching my song about The Dan. Just read a nice piece on the Colts CB's on ESPN, but it really speaks to how a championship team builds consistent success: draft quality, coach them well, and trust them to perform. Snyder has been trying to re-create that 91-92 season for the past 12-13 years and has got it wrong almost every time. If this guy isn't looking around at what works (Patriots, Colts, Steelers, etc.) and still trying to do it 'his' way, all you ticket holders and avid Redskin watchers better change your habits and FORCE him to change his ways.

Neil in Durango, if you recall the peak Joe Gibbs teams were offensive machines. People tend to forget in 1983-84 the Skins set then a record for most points scored in a season, and except for the 1st Super Bowl win every other SB victory was an offensive showcase. Gibb's defenses have never been the frightening, dominating type, but they do shut down teams enough for the offense to 'do what it do.'

I'm convinced there are peeps on this blog who, with the Dan's money, do a better job running the football side of the Redskins than he can. He needs to spend some money on a real football GM (Bobby Beathard where are you), and keep his white french cuffed shirt wearin' a@#$ up in the booth and let the football guys run things. The chorus and crescendo of criticism against Snyder must become singular and deafening to the point where every on-field failure is blamed squarely upon SNYDER. Of course, the only thing he's going to 'hear' are empty seats, decreased paraphernalia sales, and declining broadcast revenue. If he can't see that the Redskins have become strictly a regional, esoteric, cult team with no national following = limited revenue growth, maybe he's dumber at football than we think. I hate wading into the PC wars, but changing the helmets to the arrow and (gasp) changing the name to 'Warriors' would be bold and controversial, but could be one more step towards making them the Nation's team (more revenue) not just Northern Virginia's/Southern Maryland's team.

I still love that damn fight song, but Snyder is pushing my buttons worse than my 13 year old students.

Posted by: adinasi | May 19, 2007 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Baller4Life--


When I grow up.. I want to just like you!

Posted by: Brandon | May 19, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Give it up for kost, everyone, BHDBGO (Blogging His Drunk Birthday Guts Out). And in a tie, no less!

Happy Birthday, man.

Posted by: MV Dame | May 19, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

vodka

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

breaking news...

Street Sense choked. this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

WO! WO! WO!

How easy we forget that our defense was as banged up as ever last year, leaving us with a banged up D-line and NO secondary to speak of! Why are people so complexed by us drafting Laron? It is a fact that Greg Williams loves to blitz safeties and bring them in the box, can you imagine the chaos that Laron and Sean can bring on opposing teams? With that being said, can you say NO MORE MARK BRUNELL! Jason Cambell is a future bonefide STAR in the NFL,and he will be under center from week 1! With the exception of Springs, it is unfair to say we cannot stay healthy, its the NFL, anyone can get hurt at anytime, there is no absolute pattern. Let me address our offense a bit more, no more Brunell means that Al Saunders can finally utilize his number one ranked (numerous times) offense. We can now use Brandon Lloyds extremely underrated deep threat, how can you utilize a players deep threat ability when your QB can't throw 30 yards? Santana is a threat anywhere on the field, with Lloyd being a deep threat, Cooley will have a great year, oh and did I mention Randel-El, not a bad 3rd WR by any measure. Lastly, Portis and his tendenitis can go either way, but you have to love the fact that we have a "backup" in Betts that eclipsed the 1000 yrd mark in 6 starts....Last but not least, what better of a time to take over the NFC East? Mcnabb is coming back from an ACL tear (which no one comes back perfect from),and the Giants lost Tiki Barber, now I ask all my fellow Skins fans: Even though we always pump our team up in the offseason, are you guys telling me you do not see a good if not great season ahead of us? the NFC is weak, and we have all the tools and a fresh QB with a amazing attributes and a great attitude. Cheer up Skins fans, because there's no room on the bandwagon for all you pesemists come week 10.

-Amir in Roockville,Md
v10@umbc.edu

Posted by: Amir in Rockville | May 19, 2007 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Nate:

doing great, job's going so well it's cutting into my social networking time and I don't as good an excuse as you have to surf the blogs ;-) . . .

pit stop at home after two soccer games, just got back from dropping the little 8k at a b-day party and ms 8k is out fetchiing a sitter so we can have ourselves some adult time this weekend. . .

will drop in again soon . . .

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | May 19, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Why did Amir, above, leave his email address?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Hi, all, Okay, so being new here I'm unfamiliar with the various acronyms. Do any of you regulars care to add some definition to my life, please?

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 19, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

i left my email address b/c thats what i do

Posted by: amir | May 19, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Amir - are you an undergrad?

Posted by: RBD202 | May 19, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me?

Inside info suddenly turns into stating the obvious? Or were you the very first to think that Daniel is an idiot, NOT

Tell me something I do NOT know...carry on

Posted by: nonon | May 19, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

the taco bell dump i just took smells better than this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

man, that prune juice is really running through me....this blog stinks.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

kost, happy birthday fellow Gooner. You got it half right.

Posted by: SMACK | May 19, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

did somebody have too much asparagus? (closer to 100K)

Posted by: SMACK | May 19, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

i love asparagus. high in folate and vitamin c, rich in antioxidents. just add balsamic vinegar and what a treat you have!

Posted by: Martha S. | May 19, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

F Cauli

Posted by: Flower | May 19, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

makes your pee smell though Martha

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

To whoever the person is that complains constantly about the blogging "stinking" - if it bothers you so da*n much why do you keep coming around?????

Nitwit..

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

does a hobby horse have a wooden d!ck?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Mr. Stink is so full of himself that he thinks he is so superior to everyone else when it obvious he's a real loser - especially he has nothing better to do on a Saturday night.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Mr. Stink is so full of himself that he thinks he is so superior to everyone else when it obvious he's a real loser - especially since he has nothing better to do on a Saturday night.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

IMPEACH SNYDER/CERRATO

INPRISON BUSH/CHENNEY

Posted by: Anonymous | May 19, 2007 11:43 PM | Report abuse

if there werent any stinking blog comments there would be no way to reach your 10k goal. quit complaining

Posted by: fatty mcfatfat | May 20, 2007 12:43 AM | Report abuse

your a effin moron!
!@!@$@#%@$#^%$&$^*%*&)(*__+_*&*&^%$%#!@$&$%$!#@!$SonOfABi%$h

Posted by: Brian Schroeder | May 20, 2007 2:30 AM | Report abuse

"...if you don't have a great game plan with free agency and the draft, the opportunity to improve your team is either limited or very expensive. Those teams that believe they will find a gem on the waiver wire after June 1 will probably be disappointed. Some teams will rely on young players improving. This is the backbone of coaching and there is merit if you can keep your roster static. In today's NFL, though, the chance of keeping your roster intact from year to year is nearly impossible."

Former Tennessee Titans general manager Floyd Reese contributes frequently to ESPN.com.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=reese_floyd&id=2870773

Posted by: The Crickets | May 20, 2007 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Funny comments from Grand Cayman:

GRAND CAYMAN, Cayman Islands -- Miles of clear blue sea surround Byron Leftwich as he sits on the waterfront patio of the The Wharf Restaurant in Grand Cayman. Yet despite the humid temperatures, he doesn't feel the slightest urge to jump in as he looks down at the tropical fish meandering around in the ocean.

"I'm scared of the water," he says. "I'm a 3 to 4 feet guy; that's my territory. The water here is so clear you can see what's in there, but I'm still scared. I just don't trust what's in there. As human beings, you're in there territory. You see how bad we treat fish when people go out fishing. You think they don't remember that stuff? They're not stupid. They remember."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/arash_markazi/05/19/qb.challenge/index.html

Posted by: The Crickets | May 20, 2007 3:53 AM | Report abuse

RBD202, yes i am , but im graduating this thursday

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PENDEJO | May 20, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

We need a new post topic damnit. I don't care what its about, it can be about NFL expansion for all I care, it can be about JG Racing. But no more stories about how this team is missing a DE or DT. Hell we just grabbed 8 rookies from the camp. 1 was a DE from Gtown who did well there I hear. We got another CB named Westbrook, who's brother plays for a team that is now going to wear some of the worst looking uniforms in the NFL. Lets get a story about these guys or something.

Posted by: 35332 | May 20, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

We do not believe in any new articles or blogs in our Sunday edition. Thank you for your continued support.

Posted by: wapo prez | May 20, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Pendejo - work on your Spanish. You make no sense puta.

CHILDREN Of THE VERGA THEM BOY TO VIOLATE TO ALL CHINGADA MOTHER I AM THE DOCTOR OF PENDEJITIS. ..PUTA MOTHER. ..VERGAA

Posted by: Translator | May 20, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse


Light4Life or Dumba#s4Life

You make the stupidest counterpoints with your "oh life changes" type of general statement.

If you read what I said closely, I said the regulars on this blog are more than sufficient to speak on topics concerning the Skins. This blog doesn't need "guest bloggers" that JLC, Cindy or the Post "Skins blog czar" to fill it up with topics that 1) has already been covered and 2) add s nothing new to the table in terms of discussion.

As you recall, even though JLC was on vacation, he did find time to post that stupid AEEE blog from some unknown blog site. So you're argument of "well people need time off" is baseless. If you're on vacation, good-bye..enjoy and see ya when you come back..don't post some lame "guest blog" out there to keep the Skins blog going.

Those ex-Skins players have something none of these "new" Redskins have....heart, worth ethic and most importantly championship rings.

Unlike yourself Light4Life, I have a life outside of blogging. I pop in from time to time to see what JLC reports outside of the Post articles and I read the blogs to get a pulse of what other Skins out there feels about the team.

One more thing. I didn't say I wanted the Skins to draft Gaines Adams. If you re-read my post..RIF..Reading Is Fundamental...I said most bloggers and draft gurus before the NFL draft were hoping or predicting that the Skins would draft Gaines Adams or Alan Branch, not that the Skins should draft Adams.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 20, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

is pendejo making some rotten fish tacos? this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

dude, this is the most solid post i've read on this site in awhile, well done, Redskins Insider, you keep me informed even while I live in the 3rd world paradise of Guatemala. If we go 8/8 next year and chalk it up to rebuilding, ill be ecstatic. Time to manage expectations people

Posted by: fratastic | May 20, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

When you get a multi-million dollar contract to coach in the NFL, please let us know.

Enough said.

JB

Posted by: J.B. from Indiana | May 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

This year marks the 75th anniversary of the franchise. We need to suuport Dan Snyder and buy a special anniversary jersey and hat.

Posted by: Throwback | May 20, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Baller4Life,

The draft gurus were predicting that the Skins would draft Okoye or Landry....maybe Anderson.

Gaines Adams and Branch were early predictions for the Skins but that was AGES ago.

Posted by: Lisa | May 20, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

well said lisa!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Did someone just bake cookies, this blog smells great

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I must've been sleeping under a rock cuz I missed out on a monster bloggathon.

Some observations (unrelated to actual blog content):

- The lone Cowboys fan that shows up here to rustle some feathers has a stuck CAPS lock button, an incredibly tiny penis, and is in desperate need of growing pubic hair and letting his balls drop.

- One fellow keeps showing up, undoubtedly giggling to himself, and making comments on an odd food product combination that produces a negative olfactory sensation in his digestive tract, ending (mightily cleverly, might i add) that the blog stinks as much as this food cesspool. WOW.

- Amir left his email address. v10@umbc.edu. Leaving your email address brings attention. UMBC is my alma mater and it sucks.


And now for a note related to the blog:
Good post, Jack. The truth hurts as much as it does to waste 9 billion dollars on a stadium for a team named after characters in Brokeback Mountain.

Two points: I think that Ladell Betts is highly underappreciated, I was glad to see that they ponied up some money. The man was a work-horse for us last season.

ARE should be a Redskin for the rest of career. Or so I wish and hope.

-- TDawg

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 20, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Also, Mike Sellers is awesome (and my wife's favorite player).

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 20, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

This year marks the 75th anniversary of the franchise. We need to suuport Dan Snyder and buy a special anniversary jersey and hat.

Posted by: Throwback | May 20, 2007 02:46 PM


They don't even show what the entire hat looks like on redskins.com. That site is horrible for buying gear. Get me a fitted hat with the Skins symbol and maybe the NFL logo on the back. No other stupid graphics and maybe I will pad his wallet. Plus I noticed they are hawking a Tony Stewart hat up there. Makes me sick if Gibbs had something to do with that.

Posted by: koptown | May 20, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

JB, that's a guest blog...

Posted by: Cindy | May 20, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

337?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

338?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

FosSports.com offseason rankings:

22. Washington Redskins
In a few months, we may look back on this off-season as addition by subtraction. Gone are many of the high-profile acquisitions from previous seasons -- David Patten, Troy Vincent, John Hall, Adam Archuleta, and T.J. Duckett. In comes proven talents Jason Fabini and London Fletcher-Baker. The Fred Smoot signing will bring a reunion for the former Redskins star and his old team. Then Washington went out and had a pretty productive NFL Draft. Patient, they used their only Day 1 pick on LaRon Landry, and picked up intriguing prospects H.B. Blades and Jordan Palmer on Day 2. At no point, though, both through free agency and the draft did the 'Skins address their putrid defensive line.
Biggest gain: London Fletcher-Baker, LB
Biggest loss: Derrick Dockery, OG

Are they in better shape than they were in January? Absolutely. Clinton Portis is back and healthy, Jason Campbell has a full year under his belt, and the defense picks up two instant playmakers in LaRon Landry and London Fletcher-Baker. H.B. Blades will surprise some folks, as well. Betts and Portis could emerge as a top running back combination if Al Saunders manages egos right.


NYG was ranked 30.
Philly 16.
Dallas 9.

Posted by: 338th | May 20, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

30. New York Giants
Giants GM Jerry Reese started off his career as GM with a bang -- releasing starters LaVar Arrington, Carlos Emmons, Chad Morton, and Luke Pettigout within the first month of being hired. He just never followed up on replacing those players. On top of the questionable extensions for Tom Coughlin and Eli Manning, the Giants failed to address glaring needs on the offensive line over the course of the past three months. Starting center Shaun O'Hara was re-signed, but Big Blue waited until the second day of the draft to pick up some insurance for one of the league's most heavily penalized and porous units in '06. Tiki Barber's retirement obviously hurts the already sputtering offense as well. Are Reuben Droughns and rookie wideout Steve Smith enough to lift the unit to the next level? Is that patchwork linebacker corps good enough for the NFC East? I'm not sure.
Biggest gain: Aaron Ross, DB
Biggest loss: Tiki Barber, RB

Are they in better shape than they were in January? Tough to say yes on this one. There are still question marks at defensive back, linebacker, and the offensive line. Is Brandon Jacobs ready to carry the load at running back? He's shown flashes, but may not be an every down kind of back. And Anthony Wright? When are the Giants going to sign a legitimate backup quarterback to put some heat on Eli Manning? Giants fans may hate hearing this -- but there's a solid chance they'll have a top 10 pick in the draft come next April.

Posted by: Deer in Headlights Eli | May 20, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

16. Philadelphia Eagles
As much as draft experts killed the Eagles for their performance over the last weekend in April, Philly actually had a very formidable off-season. Kolb comes in as the quarterback of the future -- and if this lights a fire under Donovan McNabb -- so be it. It's all for the better. Second and third round picks Victor Abiamiri and Tony Hunt will contribute as soon as next year. Also suiting up for Philadelphia in '07 will be former Pro Bowl linebacker Takeo Spikes, 2006 Super Bowl performers Montae Reagor and Ian Scott, and highly sought after slot receiver Kevin Curtis. They also re-signed Correll Buckhalter, reliable backup quarterback Kelly Holcomb, and punt return/kick return specialist Bethel Johnson.
Biggest gain: Takeo Spikes, LB
Biggest loss: Donte Stallworth, WR

Are they better off than they were in January? Tough call. The Eagles finished the season as arguably the NFL's hottest team, losing a heartbreaker on a Saturday night in New Orleans in the second round of the playoffs. That team was spear-headed by a late season combo of Jeff Garcia to Donte Stallworth. Both will be playing elsewhere next season. I love the Spikes pick-up, though, and think the Eagles will be looking to take the NFC East with a healthy Donovan McNabb.

Posted by: Fix my knee McNabb | May 20, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

9. Dallas Cowboys
There's a new regime in Dallas, as the Wade Phillips era starts in 2007. Whether this is a positive or a negative is yet to be seen. At the very least, there's new blood in the locker room. Roster-wise, the Cowboys picked up a lot of new talent in the off-season. Ken Hamlin will join Roy Williams for a pretty lethal starting safety combo, and offensive tackle Leonard Davis -- a former top pick of the Arizona Cardinals -- comes to Dallas with a lot to prove. Brad Johnson joins the Cowboys as a reliable backup quarterback who will help guide Tony Romo's growth as well. In the draft, Dallas scooped up the guy they wanted all along in Anthony Spencer, while picking up the Browns 2008 first round pick in the process. Cowboys fans chanted "Jerry Jones! Jerry Jones! Jerry Jones!" after the Brady Quinn trade. The Dallas faithful has reason to be happy.
Biggest gain: Leonard Davis, OL
Biggest loss: Jason Fabini, OL

Are they in better shape than they were in January? It depends. As horribly as the season ended for Dallas, they did make the playoffs and came a bad snap and some luck short of a shot at the Bears. They play seven games in primetime next year -- we'll have plenty of opportunities to determine whether they're better than the '06 version.

Posted by: Where's the Buffet Leonard Davis | May 20, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Some people are so unappreciative. The guest bloggers are a good idea, at least in my opinion.

All you a-holes that complain get a life!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Great point Zebra!

Posted by: Beeswax | May 20, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

C'mon....whether you like the guest blog or not...it starts a new thread......which we desperately need every day or so.

Posted by: Lisa | May 20, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to post a new thread...send me your guest blogs. We'll get on the molasses-like quality of Loseable Type and, given some of these comments, we're going to have to start a screening process.

Posted by: Cindy | May 20, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

Thanks for keeping the threads going....I remember it was debatable whether we could keep it up after the season ended.

So, thanks to you and Jason!

Posted by: Lisa | May 20, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been around for more than a week, but since the merit of the guest blog seems to be up for discussion, I just wanted to chime in that I appreciate them whether I agree with them or not. Anything that allows the opportunity for engaging in dialogue about the Skins is good to me.

On a side note, Lisa, I went to the Beach Blitz this weekend. The ladies were all buzzing about Mike Sellers. He's not what I usually like, but I must say he's quite yummy. He definitely goes on the "Looker" list. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | May 20, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Okay "hot sands margueritas" Redskins fans:

1. Mark Brunell is about to become a mentor / coach. He just had shoulder surgery. Previous to the draft I surmised that he would pick a QB in the draft. And he did in Carson Palmer's brother Jason. Gibbs likes having lots of QBs around. He probably does not like not having the old "Taxi Squad" and IR rules where he could develop players for 2 or 3 years before using them. One purpose for this was to train new QBs. If his arm doesn't hold up during preseason watch Gibbs try to pick up another veteran. Again Ramsay might be the starter if he had stayed. Campbell would still be "in training". Ramsay's loss.

2. Ryan Clarke was not as big a mistake as Antonio Pierce nor even Walt Harris. These might all be rectified through the acquisitions of La Ron Landry, London Fletcher-Baker, and HB Blades. LeMar Marshall is a better outside linebacker.

3. DE, DE cripes guys! Williams could even move Griffin outside and play Montgomery more inside. Griffin is a good run stopper when healthy and with the linebackers and safeties he will have behind him ... They LIKE Golston and Montgomery. They have drafted other guys at this position and they are gone. Guys drafted higher. They never said they liked them. They never really said that about Evans. Yes, both Salve and Daniels have had too many injuries. Wynn is now basically a reserve. Evans has improved enough to step in there. Look for Daniels to stay because of the cap hit incurred by releasing him. Wynn will most likely go.

The defense will be markedly improved. The offense still needs another starting receiver but other than that is going to improve as well. They will land as far as Jason Campbell can take them.

Posted by: periculum | May 20, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"My dog is named DG28"

Redskins BEST ALL-TIME QB (a tie)
Christian Adolph Jurgenson #9 HOF
'Skins are down by 20 in the 4th against Dallas. Allen finally sends Jurgenson in for Billy Kilmer.
Sonny to huddle: "12 minutes left, 20 points, plenty of time." Post ruptured achilles tendon. Redskins win.
Sammy Baugh #10. HOF The very first pure forward passer and all-pro punter.

Redskins BEST ALL-TIME RB
Larry Brown #43
Booth Analyst: "Brown never goes down he fights for every inch. And Allen uses him way too much.
That's why you use a Jurgenson. With Kilmer Brown's career won't last."

Redskins Best All-TIME WR
Charley Taylor #43 HOF 8 pro-bowls.
The guy who caught the key passes to get the 'Skins to their first super bowl. Known for his running after the catch. Originally a RB thus the number. Killer blocker. Tough guy == shortened career.

Redskins Best ALL-TIME CB (tie)

Darrel Green #28 7-time pro bowler still fastest in NFL at age 40!

Lemar Parrish #24 8-time pro bowler HOF 2000

Redskins Best ALL-TIME Safety

Ken Houston #27 8-time All-Pro HOF 1986

Posted by: periculum | May 20, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

To further underscore my earlier posts:

Larry Brown NFL MVP 1972.
4 consecutive pro bowls 1970-1973
TOP 5 in RUSHING attempts FIVE TIMES
TOP 5 in RUSHING YARDS 3 times.
TOP 5 in yards from scrimmage 3 times.
TOP 5 in total touchdowns twice.

In an 8 year career.

1969 round 8 draft pick #191.

NFL MVP! MVP in round 8 for the Redskins.

Posted by: periculum | May 20, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

MAN F*CK THE BLOG THEIR IS NOTHING TO DO HEAR THIS IS SOME SH*T...DAMMM IT GOD BWAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

charley taylor was #42

Posted by: cosmofla | May 20, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Justme,

It's great that you went to the Beach Blitz - I'm sure it was a lot of fun.

I love "Cave Man Sellers" (that is what Doc Walker calls him)- he's a tough guy and I hope he get more touches on the ball this season.

By the way, Chris Cooley participated in a golf tournament at the Blitz and was asked what he thinks about Gibbs. Cooley said "I love Coach Gibbs - he really cares about the players and I think he has brought in a great group of guys."

Take that, Cris Carter!

Posted by: Lisa | May 20, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder where Timmy smith is?

Posted by: JustYou | May 21, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, Cyn, et al.: I, too, have struggled with it, but try your best to ITA. We want you guys/gals sane. And remember, don't blog angry!

ITA: it's not just an RI saying, it's a way of life.

"Keep coming back -- it works."

(any closer to the goal, Cyn?)

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 21, 2007 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Fun Times in Philly

"...The recent drafting of quarterback Kevin Kolb could mean that Donovan McNabb will be traded before the 2007 season.

A few observers have opined that McNabb will be moved after the coming season. But here's a scenario that has him moving before September.

The Chicago Bears are ready to win the Super Bowl. They might have won it last year except for a glaring weakness at quarterback. Before the ever-popular "window" closes, the Bears need a quality QB to kick them over the hump.

This scenario obviously depends on two things. One, that McNabb is physically ready to play on Week 1 of the 2007 season. Two, that Chicago is convinced McNabb is their best available QB option.

(The fact that McNabb is from Chicago is, in my mind, irrelevant. The Bears would be just as interested in an available quality veteran if he were from Portland, Tucson or Montreal.)

But the key to this scenario is Bears linebacker Lance Briggs, who has said publicly that he will never play for Chicago again and who refused to report to minicamp on Friday.

Briggs is, arguably, the best weakside linebacker in the game and is only 26.

The question most Eagles fans are asking right now is: Why would the Bears make that deal?

It would give them a chance to save face, by sending Briggs where the team wants to send him and not be seen as having Briggs dictate to them. Plus, they would get a vital component of any Super Bowl team in exchange for a player who says he won't show up.

The Eagles, of course, would then have rebuilt their defense to the point where it could carry an offense managed by A.J. Feeley or Kelly Holcomb, while awaiting the development of Kolb.

If you asked the Eagles about this they would, naturally, laugh it off. The key for the Birds in any trade scenario is to appear totally neutral while listening to offers. It's always best to have the player everybody else wants, then choose the best offer.

Is it going to happen? Right now, it's just a thought. But if McNabb shows up in July and begins tearing up training camp, the offers are sure to soon follow."

By Don McKee
Philadelphia Inquirer

Posted by: The Crickets | May 21, 2007 4:06 AM | Report abuse

Team Report
Fox Sports

No Redskin has worked harder this off-season than Jason Campbell. Heading into a season as a starter for the first time, Campbell has been working with associate head coach Al Saunders and quarterbacks coach Bill Lazor at Redskin Park so often that Saunders said the quarterback has almost become his son.

"In the off-season, you try to put in a lot of work to help put yourself in position to be successful," Campbell said. "You're able to go through more of your progressions than you probably did a year ago because of the time and effort that you put in studying the plays. Coach Saunders and coach Lazor have done a great job of teaching me all the plays."

Coach Joe Gibbs appreciates the effort that Campbell has made to improve upon the promising seven starts he made to finish 2006. Campbell completed 53.1 percent of his passes for 1,297 yards, 10 touchdowns and six interceptions with a solid 76.5 passer rating.

"Jason has paid a price this off-season," Gibbs said. "There are a lot of places he could have been running around, but he's been here working on football. It's made a difference. He's quicker. He's much more confident."

Campbell's teammates see the changes, too.

"From last year's OTAs (Organized Team Activities) to this year, it's night and day with Jason," said center Casey Rabach.

"We're light years ahead of where we were last year with Jason," said receiver Santana Moss, who'll host Campbell in a private clinic in Miami after next month's minicamp. "You have to understand last year when he came in and started throwing to (the regulars) late in the season we had had no reps with him. We didn't have the timing we wanted and we were trying to force him to do things that any quarterback would struggle doing. What Jason has done is make a lot of progress to where we want to go."

As for the on-field differences he has made, Campbell said that it comes down to being quicker.

"It's getting back there and trying to set up a lot quicker and getting the ball out of my hand a lot quicker," Campbell said. "(And) knowing where you're going with the ball more, shortening my motion. The coaches are trying to make things easier for me so I can have the opportunity to go through my progressions without being in a rush."

Posted by: The Crickets | May 21, 2007 4:30 AM | Report abuse

Some rookie contract forecasting, and the related side issues.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10186057

Posted by: The Crickets | May 21, 2007 4:37 AM | Report abuse

A discussion of the salary escalation issue.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10183442

Posted by: The Crickets | May 21, 2007 4:40 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who think Golston isn't something special and Montgomery is no good, take a few minutes to read this:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10181432

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | May 21, 2007 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Man I cant believe its the same post from Friday...

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 21, 2007 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Man some of these blogs give you the impression that these people got fired by the Redskin organization or something.....Look I am a fan I root for my home teams the Nats. Caps. Wizards & Redskins... I may not agree with what the front office has done but Im not going to ragbon the team because of it. If you have so much football knowlege why hasnt some Nfl team snap you and your infinate knowlege up????????

Posted by: Zo from DC | May 21, 2007 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Ocho^2- Nice link on the tackles. I'm definitely excited to see how Golston performs this year. Who knows- maybe some of his trialbyfire starts when we were all beat up last year will end up being great experience.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Way too many comments to read, so if somebody mentioned this already, sorry.

"but how often do you see teams like the Patriots, Eagles, and Ravens let good young talent ever reach unrestricted free agency? "

adalius thomas reached it this year. i would say he was good young talent. he played in the pro bowl and DD didn't. DD wanted too much money (AND HE'S A FREAKING GUARD).

Posted by: Jeff | May 21, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Man. Sure is the offseason doldrums. If only my baseball team were playing .500 ball.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Jeff- Adalius is definitely a beast and a huge pickup. I'm sure Bmore had a hard time parting with him. However, by the time preseason is through, he'll be 30. He's not "old"- but I wouldn't really call him young, either.

Tough for the Ravens, but not too tough. They're always replenishing their above avg D with solid young guys. Letting a guy like that go is easier for a team with a proven front office than it is for the 'Skins, who haven't had much solid decisionmaking in that area to fall back on recently. I optimistic for change.

Also, gotta bring money into focus, too. He's at the apex of his career where he can command the max payday- not really gonna match up for the Raven's cost/benefit scheme. Ramble, ramble, ramble...Hail

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Dock definitely got paid WWAAAAYYYY too much money. Could he end up worth that much in the next year or 2, as a top 3 guard? Sure, I guess. But that's a $HUGE$ gamble on a position that's much easier to fill than OT.

Not that the FO could've seen this rising demand for proven Guards a year ago, but if they had looked into locking up DD before this offseason, we'd be paying him a lot less than he's making now. 20-20 hindsight- who knows.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else mildly concerned about Santana's crotch?

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Sorry- had to say it.

Santana's HAMSTRING? We NEED him healthy, big time, if Campbell is going to keep progressing.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Well, D7, normally I'd say yes- I'm concerned. But at this early in offseason, I think there's plenty of time for things to work themselves out.

Chirp, chirp...

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Need.....new....thread.....please.....Cindy...Jasno...anyone!

ttthhe....shakes are...too much to bear...

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Since when did Jason become Jasno? Does not even fit his name...

Posted by: Lisa | May 21, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Lisa--

I think it was Nate who called him Jasno a few days ago and it's stuck. It matches his spelling and his style perfectly. Even better than Cload and Dagger. I don't think he'll ever be Jason again.

Posted by: KK | May 21, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

What is with Lloyd being Campbells go to guy in this QB competition that they are running? How many passes did JC get to Lloyd last year?

Posted by: 35332 | May 21, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

How many did he GET TO Lloyd last year? Not sure- just know it was a lot more than Lloyd actually caught.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Anyone have a report from the Beach Blitz this year?

Posted by: 35332 | May 21, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, KK has it right... I was just looking to spice things up a bit with some gentle ribbing of our host.

Speaking of which, I would guess if Jasno is back from his vacation he might have some fodder for a new post.

Offseason edition of Monday Morning H-Back, perhaps? Dare to dream.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope the QB challenge pairing indicates burgeoning chemistry between Lloyd and Campbell, developed with about 5,000 passes thrown this offseason. There is no downside to seeing those two playing nicely together.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Even after a weekend off, Captain Obvious is in full effect!

Coffee!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I'am concerned with santana Moss's injury but he need's to come back ASAP if Jason Campbell is going to get the timing with Moss Gibbs said it wasn't bad so we should see Santana Moss back soon...But I'am REALLY concerned about Clinton Portis he has a shoulder injury hand injury and now the knee. One thing I wanted to ask is why is Jason Campbell and Brandon Lloyd going to go compete at that ESPN contest should'nt it be Jason Campbell and Santana Moss? Maybe it could be that Jason Campbell has better timing with Brandon Lloyd...

Posted by: Alexander | May 21, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Who knows

Posted by: Alexander | May 21, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Nate- agreed. Would love to be able to count on Lloyd and his sizeable athletic ability for a change.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Holy pessimism Batman! The burgundy and gold faithful have been officially beaten down by Danny Boy. I hate to rain down on your depressing parade, but it's not as bad as you think.

Let me start by saying I agree with your assessment of all the mistakes made in the past. I also agree that having a GM could have prevented many of these mistakes. In all though, I disagree with your hopeless, helpless, gloom-and-doom scenario implying that that our team stinks to high-hell.

Losing Dock was NOT that big of a deal. He was decent, but he was by no means the critical cog in the o-line machine. In reality, he was probably the weakest link in the line. Playing next to solid guys like Samuels and Rabach would help anyone look good.

I also disagree that having only 6 above average players is a problem. It's how the pieces come together that determine success. Look at the Colts. Sure they have stars on offense...but how many above average players are on that team? Manning, Harrison, Freeney, Wayne. Who else? Jeff Saturday? What about the Patriots? How many legit stars were on the three championship teams? Not many. Having 6 very good players is great. We may have added the 7th in Landry. Fletcher and Smoot aren't slouches either. What about Jansen? What about Betts? Randel El as a kick returner? Randy Thomas? There's a lot of talent on this team my friends.

Maybe you all think I'm nuts by now. Well, when it comes to my team, I am eternally optimistic. I see a lot of potential for success. I see one weak link in the team and that is the d-line. But, 2 years ago, this line was great. Last year's other weaknesses have improved considerably. The secondary, the kicking game, and the linebackers are way better this time around. Throw in a healthy Dolla Bill and then try to explain how we're doomed to fail in '07? The only questions going into the '07 season in my mind are:
1. Will J.C. become a superstar at QB or will he play like a rookie? Based on his work ethic and how growing knowledge of the game that we keep hearing about, I foresee great success. Anyone who studies the game as much as he does and shows as much potential as he did last year is guaranteed at least modest success. Hopefully the names Jay Schroeder, Mark Rypien, and Doug Williams will remind you all that modest success at QB can take you a long way. If you ask me, J.C. will be a far better QB in this league than any of those three.
2. Will the d-line remain healthy? Last year's debacle up front was more due to injuries than anything else. A healthy 'Skins d-line can be very good...That's not me smoking something funny. We've seen it.
3. Will the team regain the fire? I truly believe the team bought into all the Super Bowl talk going into last year. They thought they couldn't be stopped. The problem was they forgot that on any given Sunday, any team can beat any other team. They'll go into this season with chips on their shoulders and we'll see them play with the intensity that got us to the playoffs in '05.

Chew on that beleaguered 'Skins fans. We will succeed this year. Then after the year is done, we can worry about the $128 million cap number and then you can start the pessimism-fest all over again.

Posted by: deepie | May 21, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd is known for his AMAZING catches he can catch the ball as good as moss he just never had good timing with Campbell.and he did'nt really play when Jason Campbell was the starter because of the helmet issue so I'am expecting Lloyd to have a good season

Posted by: Alexander | May 21, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I can't find a full list of the five WRs at this QB challenge thing. I think it's a reach to read too much into Lloyd being there vs. anybody else.

But it bears noting that it's not marquee QBs participating in this event, it's lesser names or up-and-comers like Campbell. So maybe their counterparts at this event were not established stud WRs but dudes wanting to make a name for themselves, maybe get some sweet highlight reel footage, have a nice free vacation, etc.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

nicely said deepie

Posted by: Alexander | May 21, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I was wrong about the level of talent at this event... Chad Johnson is an established stud WR. Johnson, Houshmanzadeh, Braylon Edwards, and Lloyd are named as participants in this article. Maybe all the QBs could have thrown to any of these guys. Not quite like a home run contest where you get meatballs from a 'friendly' pitcher.

http://www.scubadiving.com/NYCU_200705_nfl_quarterback_challenge_cayman

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

And why was it a scuba diving website which had the inside dope on the NFL QB challenge? I guess it's the best source of info for anything in the Caymans?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 21, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

On the topic of how to keep guys from The U in town to workout, the Ravens (specifically, Ed Reed) had a great idea ... sand. Seems like The Owner should be able to afford an entire sand BUILDING. I know there are plenty of Ravens' haters here (and I don't join you because I have Ozzie Newsome envy), but why is it that the Ravens' actions always seem so sane and rational?

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/football/bal-sp.preston19may19,0,3970410.column?page=2&coll=bal-sports-football

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

deepie- Admitedly, I scanned over a few hours in the middle of this here thread, but I wouldn't entirely characterize the regular posters as gloom and doom. It's an up and down roller coaster, baby.

Two years ago our line was OK and a lot more healthy than it was last year. We haven't had a "great" d-line since Manley/Mann/Butz... But that's fine- GGrilliams' system doesn't need a super D-line, just healthy and decent against the run.

As far as JC- I'd be ecstatic with a solid performance. Nothing too fancy, just not a ton of errors, growth with timing and a few deep balls here and there. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Dangit! Things slowed down this morning, so of course I'll now have to pick up someone else's slack and be slammed all day. Stupid work.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

D7 - Yeah. I see that things weren't all gloom and doom, but sheesh. This thing started off like we're the Texans or Browns. I'm tired of all the crap our team takes by all the analysts and nay-sayers out there because it's taking a toll on our fans. I'm not saying we're primed to win it all in '07, but I'll be damned if we go 5-11 again.

Posted by: deepie | May 21, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"What NFL receiver does 5-11 Dolphins rookie Ted Ginn believe he can become? Ginn said '' Santana Moss,'' a 5-10 Redskins receiver and former Cane. And don't tell Ginn that some scouts view him as a No. 2 or No. 3 receiver. ''I can be a No. 1 [eventually], for sure,'' he said."

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

deepie- the negative media bias, whether real or perceived (by us), does suck. I think some of the negativity, though, may be a reaction- probably overcompensation- to the way the FO has gone about business the last several years. Every year we are the best team in the league during the offseason- every year we made a huge splash, signing these big name FA's, spending a $gagillllion...every year was the last piece, the next coach- we're heading back to glory.

The ensuing lows became such heartbreaking plummets that I think year after year just piled up on the average fan. To prevent such disparity between the beginning and end of the season, many folks have started walking a more realistic, if not cynical (overcompensation) path. I'm just as guilty as the next dude of pumping up the short term solutions, but I'm trying not to bee a$$-deep in Snyder's koolaid at the same time.

I'm with ya on the positive outlook- never stops gettin' me amped.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Off topic: I saw a story this morning on Habitat for Humanity in New Orleans. They have built 1,000 homes and are starting on the second 1,000. Congrats to our fellow bloggers who contributed to the effort and will do so again.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | May 21, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, well, it looks like the FO has taken the middle ground too. We only acquired guys that can help this off season and we didn't overspend. Drafting a DE would have been nice, and I think it would have alleviated some of the despair, but you can't address all needs in one off-season.

I just hope Danny Boy and his bug-eyed counterpart are taking note of lessons learned. We need to be smart in the off-season...not splashy and frivilous.

Posted by: deepie | May 21, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Indeed.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

deepie, I'm still hoping for a splashy, non-frivolous TRADE for a DE starter (preferrably named Burgess or Schobel).

Posted by: dcsween | May 21, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Sween - Are you our Vinny of the Blog or Something?

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 21, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

dcsween - Schobel and Burgess will be 30 and 29 respectively when the season starts. They both weigh about 260-ish. We already have one of those in Carter and I'm willing to bet Carter steps it up another notch this year. Not a good move in my opinion.

A guy like Jamaal Anderson would have been a better move...quick enough to get to the QB and big enough to stuff the run. If he wasn't the answer for Double G, then I doubt Schobel or Burgess will be. No. I think consistency from the existing d-line and better gap control by the LBs is the answer for now rather than trading away valuable talent and/or more draft picks for someone who succeeds in another system.

Posted by: deepie | May 21, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if this was already mentioned - not about to read 400 posts - but Mike & Mike were saying this AM that Portis was quoted recently as saying Michael Vick should be left alone re: this dog fighting thing and what people do on their own private property is their own business. Uh Clinton - what he's allegedly doing is a felony, not to mention horribly cruel. If this is true, than I'll have lost a lot of respect for CP. Go Betts!

Posted by: skinswest | May 21, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Schobel is 30?!?! Dangit! I was really hoping- and/or thought- he was 27-8. I may have to change my mantra; although, if it comes down to him vs. Burgess, I'm sticking w/ the former.

Posted by: D7 | May 21, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

From PFT...

"MCCOWN WINS QUARTERBACK CHALLENGE

To the extent that anyone cares, a reader in the Cayman Islands tells us that Raiders quarterback Josh McCown won the 2007 Quarterback Challenge, which was conducted today at the Cayman Islands International School Park.

McCown was traded to Oakland from Detroit, where he signed as a free agent after his rookie contract with the Cardinals expired. He has 22 career starts in five years.

He might be the starter with the Raiders when the 2007 season begins, but he likely won't be when it ends, given that the team selected JaMarcus Russell with the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

But, hey, no one can take away from McCown the fact that he won a meaningless event that won't be televised until August."

Posted by: Probably Lloyd's fault | May 21, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Who is it from the San Francisco Chronicle that reviews the Sopranos on Monday? Can someone hit me with the url?

Posted by: The Governor | May 21, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Hold on, Governor. It's Tim Goodman; he usually posts late Monday night....What a phenomenal episode last night.
I'll get a new thread up shortly...
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=24

Posted by: Cindy | May 21, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice that the Wiki is about to delete "shabingus"?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabingus

Posted by: Nooo! | May 21, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse


Lisa,

The draft gurus changed their picks to Okoye and Landry only until a few weeks leading up to the draft.

I know my Skins info

Movin on...

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 21, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

you must be not looking at our team this year. the only thing that we need is a defensive linemen. but I really like what we got this team is not very far off from a super bowl it take time to play with the same team. I got a question for you have you play football before.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 2:18 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Pendejo | May 21, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Well I am very pleased to see all the optomistic commenters. It's a brand new season, and every team has a shot at the superbowl. Now, I agree the front office has made mistakes in the past, but the biggest mistake of all is not correcting a mistake when you realize it was a mistake. Well, we've corrected A LOT of mistakes this year.

Corrected Mistakes:
1. Adam Archuletta is gone and Landry is in
2. Lemar Marshall is out at MLB and London Fletcher is in.
3. Brunell is the back-up QB now and Campbell is in.
4. Macklin and Smoot are in, and Wright and Rumph are gone.
5. We've only lost one starter from an offense that really started hitting it's stride at the end of last season.
6. Except for Dockery, we didn't let any impact starters go this off-season.

So we can talk crap about the FO moves in past seasons, but I have to give them an A+ this season. I don't think any FO in the country could have done better with what the skins had. They are learning from their mistakes, and they are improving. I'm a very happy and optimistic skins fan going into 2008, and I think we have just as good a shot as anybody to win the superbowl this year. If I thought otherwise, it wouldn't be worth being a fan.


Posted by: Max | May 21, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Baller4Life,

I stand by my comments - a few weeks (make that 3-4) still meant the draft gurus did not expect us to pick Adams or Branch. A few weeks made it ancient history.

Posted by: Lisa | May 21, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I too have been a life long skins fan. I attended every home game from 1968 until 2001. This included 9 years of flying from Tampa, FL to DC for every game for the last 7 years of that period. Dont paint yourself as a lifelong fan but a "realist". Give me ten left tackles better than Samuals. How about 10 right tackles better than Jensen. While at it how about 10 guards better than Thomas. Fletcher has been in the top 5 middle linebackers for the past 5 years. You mentioned Portis, what about Betts getting 1000 plus yards in 10 games last year. The jury is still out on Rogers and Springs is still one of the best when healthy. But if you had any idea about football and it being a team sport, having the best player at any position does not make a team great. The Spurs have won 3 championships and other than Tim Duncan, please name a player in the top 10 at their position. The miami heat had Wade and Shaq and no one else in the top 15 at their position last year and were world champs. So are the Redskins the most talented team at every position... NO. Do they have the talent to be in the top 10 teams this year... absolutely. Take your negative so called journalism and get a job for the Baltimore Sun.

Posted by: David | May 21, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

If you payed attention I said, Samuels was one of the best, and btw, I wrote that blog not J-La so don't hate on him. And I would say tony parker is pretty good, but speaking of not understanding a sport, 1 superstar in basketball is worth 4 or 5 in football since there are only 5 guys on the court versus 11 in football. And racking up a lot of tackles doesn't make Fletcher a top five ML. I wouldn't take him of Urlacher, Lewis, Zach Thomas, Antonio Pierce, or James Farrior. And its been fairly obvious that Jansen is the same dominant tackle he was before his injury. Thomas maybe, Springs ehhh even healthy I can name several CB's I'd take before him. I wasn't saying the team was talentless, just not where it counts.

Posted by: Jack | May 21, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Fletcher at the Mike position, at least he has been healthy for five seasons. Zach Thomas always wears down the 2nd half and that's why the Dolphins were always "just missing" the playoffs every year when they had Marino. Pierce hasn't stayed healthy in NY either.

Fletcher has a Super Bowl ring. So does Ray Lewis, but not Urlacher. What team does Farrior even play for? I can't remember.

Fletcher is better in Gregg's system than most other Mikes in theirs. Racking up a lot of tackles ain't bad either.

There may be five middle linebackers better than Fletcher, but not the five you named.

Posted by: rb | May 23, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

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