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Play-by-Play Playback

One of our weekly features on The League is Playback, in which we eviscerate offer constructive criticism of the weekend's broadcasts. Today, Dan Steinberg offers an in-depth look at the calls on the Redskins game by Ian Eagle and Solomon Wilcots.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 22, 2008; 10:55 AM ET
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It's Wilcots! First!!

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: Stu27 | October 22, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Hate to say it but the Skins have been playing down to their competition for 17 years now. If they blowout the Lions, consider it a bonus but don't expect this to be a cakewalk. No NFL team wants to go winless and they are getting all kinds of 'hate' (Larry Michael's fave word) from their fans and the media. I expect them to come out and throw out everything, including the kitchen sink! Still seems like a classic 'trap' game and the Skins haven't proven they can consistently put the ball in the endzone. They've been a poor first half team and they need to break that trend or they'll give the Lions a glimmer of hope and that's all that team needs.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Ian Eagle aka Dan Snyder is a good announcer.....

Solomon Wilcox - Ehhh. He's aiiiight. Nothing special....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

No one can get that man's name right...LMAO!

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

SJK! I had more trouble with this post. It's like I was typing with my knuckles.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 22, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I hate CBS games and since they represent the AFC, that's probably why they were discussing the Browns more than the Skins. I'm so glad the NFC is on Fox...CBS is poo-poo.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse


Gotta disagree on the "playing down to their competition" that is what you could say about a star studded Dallas team that consistently underachieves and hasn't one a playoff game in over a decade. That statement suggests that for 17 years the Skins have had superior talent and have been an elite level underachieving team but the Redskins have been for years a middle of the pack team that in many instances has overachieved and made improbable playoff runs/wins. We've won some games we had no business winning we've lost some games we should have won but to say we have "consistently played down to our competition" is just not true.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2, we can agree to disagree and your points are well taken. However, when this team had the potential to be 10-6 or 11-5 in past seasons, they always found a way to lose to the teams they should've beaten. Sure, there were probaby a few games they won they had no business winning...which says to me that they play up to their competition as well.

My point is that they'll play like gangbusters against the Pokes or Jints then turn around and lose to a no-account team like the Rams or Lions. They are much better than both of them but they lost focus and made untimely mistakes (3 turnovers). Even last week they did the same. Luckily Cooley's fumble went out of bounds but CP's forced fumble almost cost them the game.

I'll stand by my opinion (and I have been watching this team since 1978) and I'm sure you'll stand by yours. As always, I appreciate counterpoints, yours included.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Gotta agree with zjfr2.

To add to the point, at least in recent years since Gibbs 2.0 (and now including Zorn), the Skins have been molded into a power-run team. This means it will be rare for us to blow-out opponents. We will play ball control, get stops on defense, and let our O-line/RBs run out the clock.

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

+++Well maybe the folks have been drinking at, that's where the statistics are - look them up for yourself!

If they don't have their facts straight, maybe you could straighten them out?

Posted by: captjim+++

Are any of you Numbers Geeks familiar with this dictum:

"Dictum? I hardly know him."

No, wait, that's not it, it's this one:

"Lies, d@mn lies and statistics."

Stats can be useful but more often are the bane of the NFL. Need I remind anyone that the Redskins MLB is too freaking short to be an NFL middle linebacker?

If the NFL has Jason Campbell ranked 12th or 18th as passer--it's bushwa. He is doing exactly what his coach wants. He is throwing the ball to the guys in the correct color uniform, reading his progressions and not fumbling and he's WINNING games.

Lots of QBs put up 300+ passing games because they are forced to pass BECAUSE they are losing.

Marino had some gaudy passing "stats" for losing teams, So did Sonny Jurgensen. Trent Dilfer's stats were "awful." Guess which one has the Superbowl Ring?

The only thing raw statistical data is good for is giving people who don't have an argument backup for their point of view.

Posted by: TheCork | October 22, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

On the topic of broadcasts, I'm wondering what other Skins-junkies are feeling about Sam Huff these days.

Now, I was raised on Sonny/Sam/Frank. In my home, we would turn off the TV volume and listen to the radio broadcast. So it pains me to say this, but Sam has gone the way of Pat Sumerall. He's blurting outrageous things, and I get the impression that Sonny and Larry just sort of chuckle and roll with it.

Do you think Snyder would have the gall to axe Sam? Would Sonny retire with him, making way for a Joey T and Doc Walker booth?

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Cindy I like all the features of the league but its so complex to sort through the excellent material and it gives me an ice cream headache.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 22, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse


We've been killing captjim. The only stat he's looking at is pass yards per game. And there are lots of reasons why that number would be down.
1)We run the ball effectively, no need to put it in the air.
2) WCO relies on short-passing game.

When you toggle the other passing stats on, for instance the overall "rating" at the end of the column, the Skins are ranked 5th.

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The Cowboys just got stomped by the Rams and the Browns had just stomped the Giants. If we had been clearly better than the rest of the league you could say what you said, but this is the NFL and we have been for years a middle of the pack team, which means we are capable of beating anybody and capable of losing to anybody. We haven't since 1991 had a collection of talent that was so superior that we had a reasonable expectation to win every Sunday. And I'm sorry, 2006 was a mirage if you thought (like apparently Snyder thought) that a team quarterbacked by Mark Brunel coming off of a year that they won a playoff game by producing the worst offensive game in history was a legit contender. With JC having blossomed and Zorn looking like the real deal, we are legit now, and if we have a solid offseason we should be next year too, but this is a recent development.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I thought that was Sam's job just to blurt some craziness & then the guys react. Kinda like a drunk uncle who wakes up in the middle of the quarter asking if kickoff happened yet. I love that!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

We're not legit 'till we hit the championship game!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

legit contenders, we're still not a legit elite team and shouldn't call ourselves one until we produce, otherwise we're no better than cowgirls fans.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Nothing is beyond Snyder but I don't see him busting the current radio team up. He took a lot of heat for the Larry Michael hiring.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Dik.

That would make Sam Huff the Redskins version of Kornheiser on MNF (who is in turn, the Sideshow Bob of football).

I'd hate to think that the broadcast deliberately plans to sink Huff that low.

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Nothing is beyond Snyder but I don't see him busting the current radio team up. He took a lot of heat for the Larry Michael hiring.

Posted by: redpitbull98 | October 22, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah. You can't jerk around the hometown legends. Although I would love it if they are grooming Doc Walker for the booth (they already have him down on the field).

I'm a big Doc fan. He does a great job with Maryland games. He's insightful and on-point. He's got the legitimacy of being a former plyer with a SUperbowl ring. When he goes off-the-cuff it's never wierd or corny, just the kind of stuff I find myself nodding in agreement about.

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Love me some Doc, hate me some Larry Michael, if they could find a way to get Mike Patrick (he and Joey T did a lot of preseason games, can't stand Joey T, but think Mike Patrick is great) Doc and Sunny I think that would be the perfect booth. However, Sam is kinda like a Bowden, or Paterno, or Beamer...legends that have earned the right to go on their terms, not anybody else's. And Larry Michael is such a suck-up that he probably will never go, unfortunately.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Okay I was reading some older stuff catching up (see ya Brooks) and there was talk about draft.

Thought I'd offer my expertise.

If we want a good D linemen in the first round, George Selvie out of USF MIGHT drop to late teens or early 20's where we should be. This guy is a BEAST, he's a hard worker, character guy that would fit on our team. His numbers this year will drop and that will (hopefully for us) cause him to drop some in the draft, but this guy is double-teamed LITERALLY on every play this year. He's a monster and if available we should definitely draft him.

Micheal Oher from Ole Miss and Duke Robinson from Oklahoma are my top two O linemen in the draft. Some people have Duke dropping to late first or early second, and if so he would be hard to pass up. Oher, zero chance we get him.

Top CB's are Malcom Jenkins from THE Ohio State and Vonta (sp?) Davis from Illinois. Davis is a physical freak and Jenkins is Shawn Springs reincarnated. Davis is still raw but should be good. The other CB to watch is Micheal Jenkins #20 of Ohio State. If we had that second round pick it would've been good to pick an O or D linemen in the first then try to scoop Jenkins up in the 2nd, he's a definite talent and could rise up boards.

LB you got James Laurinitaus who is definitely the top, but the LB from Miami (name escapes me) is more athletic (IE black) than Laurinitaus and shouldn't be drafted too far behind. Also one to watch for the later rounds is Dannell Ellerbe out of UGA. UGA has had good coaching at LB's, Dannell will be OLB in NFL and will be a good effort player, wouldn't be a bad pick in 4th round or lower.

And I'm not sure how happy yall would be about this pick, but Brannon Sutherland is the #2 FB in the draft, but he's just as good as the #1 (Ohio State FB I believe). Sutherland should go like 3rd to 5th round, and really wouldn't be a bad pick. Sellers is getting up there I believe and I love Sellers and wish we could have him for 20 years, but it would be a good idea to draft Sutherland and have him get maybe 1 or 2 years learning under Sellers and we've have a good replacement.

Another D linemen to watch along with Selvie is Tyson Jackson out of LSU, guy is a stud.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Did everyone vote for the pro-bowl.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 22, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Were to legit to quit, that i know.
Keep Sam in there, who cares if he goes off thats what old people do. As a fellow WV alumni and Enormous Skins fan he has a golden pass, can do no wrong and will either be dragged out of the booth or possibly stuffed and stay in the booth as a constant reminder to all.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 22, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I've voted three times now, I plan on voting at least 3 or 4 times a week from here on

gotta get Sellers and Washington in!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

You just need more coffee, Alex.

Posted by: Cindy Boren | October 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

No. Can you do it for me?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse


Thanks for the rundown. I don't see us taking a CB. We seem invested in Tryon and Westbrook, and we've already got ROgers/Smoot . (I'm assuming Springs is gone.).

We need a new strongside LB. Maybe Khary Campbell is the guy, maybe not. HB Blades seems small for that position. It would be cool to have the offspring of a Road Warrior on our roster.

I ascribe to the philosophy that you can never have too many talented D-linemen. I can't see Griffin surviving for much longer, so maybe a fresh D-Tackle is in order. Between Carter, Evans, Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson, I think we are set at DE for the future (not even mentioning Erasmus James).

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

If 40+ oz a day does not do it, nothing will

Posted by: alex35332 | October 22, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

p-funk be speaking truth, we need fresh blood at outside LB....

but F offseason, I am ankle deep in regular season glory!!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

If I don't vote on the Pro Bowl, Is it similar to not voting for your choice of President if you think the won it regardless of your vote? But then the lose and it's people like myself's fault?

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Truth, Selvie is a relentless beast. I have a felling though that he will be a guy whos stock skyrockets at the combine. When they see this guy out of pads high jumping and sprinting and lifting a ton. I think he gets overlooked nationally cause hes undersized for a D-end, 255 around, reminds a lot of people of Jason taylor. I think he will be another person out of reach if we do what we need to in the regular season.
Keep up the scouting though i we need as meny as we can get. We wont be getting the top 1 or 2 in pretty much any position, so the more names tossed up the better.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 22, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Mike Florio on October 22, 2008, 8:41 a.m.

A league source tells us that the Denver Broncos have agreed to terms with receiver Chad Jackson.

Jackson, a second-round pick in 2006, was cut by the Patriots prior to the season.

He appeared in 12 games as a rookie, with one start. But he suffered a torn ACL during the playoffs, and made only a minor contribution last year.

In Denver, Jackson joins a corps of receivers including Brandon Marshall, Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley, Darrell Jackson, and Glenn Martinez.

Stokley missed Monday night’s game after suffering a concussion in Week Six; the decision to add Jackson could be a sign that Stokley won’t be back for a while.

...This stinks, I was hoping we'd give this guy a look with Kelly inevitably going to the IR. Not to often a young second rounder is out there, he had a good rookie year then was hurt and fell down the depth chart when Welker and Moss got there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

also want to let everyone know that this might be the year of the Bobcat in the NBA!


We were one pick away from having both Dwight Howard and Chris Paul.


Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Kelly isn't going on IR. Watch out for him in the 2nd half of the season.....

Chad Jackson has nothing on Kelly. Chad is an official 2nd Round bust......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

HB Blades seems small for that position.

Posted by: p1funk | October 22, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Did a fan of the skins just describe a LB as too small to play a position? You should go rewatch the game the other day. Watch our "too small" MLB.

In any game i've ever played their are only two types of players. Ballers and non-Ballers. Best I can tell Blades is a baller.

Posted by: Gweez | October 22, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

zj, you don't want any part of that guy. B-U-S-T, BUST, BUST, BUST.

Pats traded a 2nd and third to move up to pick this guy, he stinks. Can't learn the playbook, can't learn the routes.

"good rookie year".....really?

Why is Kelly inevitably going to the IR?? Do you know something we don't know??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | October 22, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

looking at this year's draft board

we should be thankful we drafted two WR's last year, seriously. This coming draft will have a dreadful WR class and other than Micheal Crabtree, I wouldn't count on any of 'em to contribute right away.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | October 22, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

ok maybe good was an exaggeration, but he did have 3 td's as a rookie and never got back on the field because of the ACL. Why do you guys label him a bust so quickly and give Kelly so much latitude, Jackson at least got into camp in shape got on the field right away and contributed then he got hurt, and I haven't heard anybody say he was cut cause he can't read a playbook or run routes, all I've heard is he got hurt, and then Welker and Moss came along with Gaffney and they didn't want to pay a 2nd pick anymore.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"not too often a young second rounder is out there..."

Taylor Jacobs is still available too!

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Theres a LB outta USC Monmaleugua, probly not spelled correct but when do I . He is a beast could play all the positions but i could seee him being a Stong side guy.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 22, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Cyn with the fake beep beep. What's that all about?

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I love Blades, but he will take over for Fletcher while in the meantime filling in on the outside to diversify his game......

But we still need some stud youth at OLB.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Rey Maualuga, man i suck at spelling.

Posted by: Stu27 | October 22, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind. Slow computer. The beep really did beep....

Posted by: 4-12 | October 22, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

zj, are you kidding me about comparing Jackson and Kelly?? Kelly has 7 games experience, Jackson has 4 years, but you don't get why one guy gets a pass and the other doesn't??

Read this:

Posted by: BeantownGreg | October 22, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Jasno, from a few threads ago, "Two guys who jumped out to me were fullback Mike Sellers and defensive lineman Demetric Evans."

Personally, after something like that happens, I'm surprised Jasno lived to write about it.

Posted by: dcsween | October 22, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Saw a how many carries for Portis this season projection comment so i thought i would do the quick math... between donuts and wiping saliva off my chin.

Per CBS Sportsline he has 163 carries in 7 games.

So, 163/7= 23.28 * 16= 372.5

I'm guessing he and Caveman will share a carry as CP shows his Beastly Big Brother some love in appreciation for all those dominating lead blocks he has been throwing all year.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 22, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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