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Players slowly learning new system during OTAs

The Redskins will conclude their third set of organized team activities Thursday at Redskins Park and then take a much-needed breather this weekend.

"I've never been a part of so many OTA practices," quarterback Donovan McNabb said with a laugh. "At this particular point, you're coming in, working out and then you're headed home. I think in all of our cases, we don't mind it, so to speak, because we are getting better and learning a new offense."

"Hopefully, this won't last too long," he added with a chuckle.

The Redskins are getting such good player attendance -- about 94-95 percent,
according to head coach Mike Shanahan -- because there's value to players showing
up and learning a new system. For most teams -- those that didn't experience a coaching staff overhaul -- systems are much farther along at this point in their OTAs.

Redskins' offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who spent the past four seasons with Houston, explained the difference.

"I think when you're with a team for a few years, you can move along faster. You can put stuff in one day and the next day you're moving on to something else," he said. "When it's new for everybody, you put stuff in one day, and you can't just move on from it. It'll all start to run together. You've got to give them a few days to practice the same stuff before you move on.

"You end up, over 14 days, putting everything in, but you don't repeat it all, the way
you'd like to."

That said, coaches and players both seem pleased with the progress made so far, through eight OTAs and two minicamps.

"Much better," Shanahan said. "Guys are picking it up much faster. Not as many busts, but the main thing is playing faster. The goal: You don't want them thinking; you want them reacting. So even when they're playing their assignment right, they're just moving slow. That's why you want to rep and rep, so they can just react."

They'll finish those reps today and return to Redskins Park on Monday. The team has four OTA days scheduled for next week and a three-day minicamp the following week.

By Washington Post editors  |  June 3, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

First to say “For some…Value=job”

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

They'll be fine. Should be ready to roll by the FIRST week of the season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 6:20 AM | Report abuse

McNabb=Short term big splash=Jersey $.


Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 6:12 AM


Completely disagree...Snyder and Cerrato aren't running this thing anymore. I thought it was more about jersey sales when those jokers were in charge, but I don't get that sense from Allen/Shanahan. I believe the McNabb deal was done because it makes the team better immediately, and as much as I like JC, McNabb is certainly an upgrade in every way. Shanahan has shown in the past that he can put together a good line without having to burn a bunch of high picks and I'm willing to see if he can do the same here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Can’t change a zebra strips. It’s a business to make money. Could be a win/win…Great player and big sales. Could be great sales and one year splash. McNabb hasn’t signed yet and there's still questions about the OL.
Just saying what I would have done with the draft. Right or wrong doesn’t matter. At this time of year one could speculate and argue every point and not be right or wrong. Next year when the hind sight goggles are on though…

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Oops...Meant to say stripes.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Did the Vikings sign Favre for jersey sales? No. The Skins signed McNabb to win games.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree 2ndtier...seems to me the easy way to make money in the NFL is to win. Ticket sales go up, merchandise goes up, and getting home playoff games gets you extra money at the gates as well. This is the mindset that the Redskins never seemed to understand...until now.

And stop with the "McNabb one and done" stuff...I would be completely stunned if he doesn't sign an extension here. You just have to bear in mind that the rules of the uncapped year make it a bit harder to re-sign guys to big money extensions.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

I agree with ya. Just re-hashing the draft and O-line issue. No more than that. More than one way to make a team better huh. Oh, and jersey sales. :)

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I gotcha 2ndtier...it seems we'll both set this blog on fire if we don't get any OL help in next year's draft. But I'm not worried about it...looks like we've got a REAL FO now.

PFT had something about how Willie Parker wasn't doing well here and that he's likely to be the odd man out if Westbrook comes here. Anyone see where Florio might've gotten that from?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

I like the Westbrook signing if it happens. The offer is there.
Got to go...Check back in later.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Here's something from ESPN.com's Jeff Chadiha...giving the McNabb deal some love:

1. Donovan McNabb moves to Washington: This was the biggest trade of the offseason, and it's the one with the greatest potential to shake up the NFC East. First, we have to assume that McNabb -- who spent 11 years leading the Philadelphia Eagles -- will never be more motivated for a season than he will be for this one. We also have to expect that he'll transition smoothly, because he'll still be playing quarterback for a West Coast offense and he'll be doing it under new head coach Mike Shanahan. Sure, the Redskins still have some questions to figure out at wide receiver. But we also know that McNabb thrived without great personnel at that position during most of his time in Philadelphia.


Our prediction: McNabb stabilizes a dysfunctional locker room and leads the Skins to 10 victories.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=5242011

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I'd expect them to struggle some early in the season -- new schemes on both sides of the ball.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 3, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Samson...I like Chadiha's enthusiasm, but we'd have to catch a lot of breaks to win 10 games this year. I'll be plenty happy with 8 wins, so long as we're building toward being contenders in 2011 and beyond.

NFL.com also had an interesting take on whether McNabb is a legit candidate for the HoF...they have him slated as a guy who's on pace to make it:

"McNabb has been to five Pro Bowls, a Super Bowl and 12 playoff games (including five NFC title games). McNabb averages close to 3,000 yards and 19 touchdowns a season, and if he finds the same fountain of youth Elway found with Mike Shanahan, he could finish up with close to 50,000 yards and 285 touchdowns. A Super Bowl win would help his chances out a lot."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d81871a64&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

McNabb is gonna win us more games this year, and even more next year..Westbrook, who was once a great back , is still a question mark- anybody know of a star running back coming back from multiple concussions and succeeding?? His load will fortunately be greatly reduced , thanks to the other fogies on the roster, but, hey, it's the NFC Beast, the games and the hitting can be pretty intense..Hopefully that new Army titanium X-ROX3 helmet he'll be wearing will keep that yolk in his egg intact..

Posted by: frak | June 3, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | June 3, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

We've got divisional games in Weeks 1 and 4...here's to hoping they hit the ground running...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

From the last thread:

Great article, zeke. However, I don't think CBs like Revis come along as often as the Jared Allens, which makes the shut-down corner more valuable. And while there's no denying Allen's talent, rushers like him also depend on the rest of the line to do it's job to be successful. Shut-down CBs are often more isolated and left to their own devices when assigned to the other team's best receiver.

I realize the basis of the question was equality in talent, but pass rush and coverage are intrinsically linked-pass rush to speed up the quarterback so he makes a mistake, coverage to slow him down and make a bad decision to hold the ball for a sack, force a play that isn't there, or throw it away. And what good is it to force the QB to a bad throw when you've got a corner like Rogers that can't catch it anyway?

Who do you think would have helped us more last year, Hayney or Revis? Keep in mind the Orakpo had his hat trick without 92 in the lineup.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Why do the Skins believe that having FOUR over-the-hill washed up running backs is better than having THREE over-the-hill washed up running backs?

Wouldn't just one work fine? Wouldn't it be helpful to have at least one young change-of-pace back with some speed? You know, someone who'll still be on the roster next year?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 3, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

When can we begin McNabb extension talks? Is it in July or something?

If those talks don't take off quickly and result in an extension off the bat, then I say it's 50/50 if McNabb stays. McNabb has no ties/loyalty to DC. McNabb is all about McNabb winning a Superbowl at this point in his career.

Even if Favre returns this season, Minnesota will still be unsettled at QB in the years to come and they are much much better positioned to compete for a SB now than the Skins. What prevents McNabb from walking after this year and joining the Vikes?

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind the Orakpo had his hat trick without 92 in the lineup.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse


If Haynesworth had played against the Raiders, Orakpo might have had double-digit sacks in that one game alone...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

What prevents McNabb from walking after this year and joining the Vikes?

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

You'd have to think Allen and Shanny would never let that happen if they identified him as a key player for us to keep. They gave up a #2 for him, invested time and energy in him, and won't have any qualms paying him.

Also, the allure of playing the Eagles at least twice a year might mean something to him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

By Washington Post editors | June 3, 2010; 6:00 AM ET

Wow, it took the WHOLE think-tank to come up with this post, good job guys!!! I think they split it up and each guy took turns copying and pasting, you should collaborate more often!

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

anyone using 'jersey sales' in their arguement fails....and it shows that they lack a clear understanding of how jersey sales are SPLIT AMONG ALL 32 TEAMS.

idiot....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 3, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

What prevents McNabb from walking after this year and joining the Vikes?

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 7:58 AM


No chance this happens...if McNabb were to leave (and I seriously doubt that he will) he'd go to Arizona. He has a home there, has Larry Fitzgerald to throw to and they'd be an instant title contender. That's the only situation I could see as an improvement over what he'd get here.

Paying guys has never been the problem for the Skins. I'd be stunned if they can't get a deal done...the 30% rule is the only thing holding this up and it should be moot going into 2011.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Hahaha…Who would fall for and get spun up over jersey sales? Wow it was a slow morning.

An idiot. Hmmm, has a good handle sound.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Who do you think would have helped us more last year, Hayney or Revis? Keep in mind the Orakpo had his hat trick without 92 in the lineup.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 7:54 AM


Considering neither guy plays OT, the answer is none of the above.

It's a close call, but you have to go pass rusher over shut-down corner. The Giants SB run a few years back proves that you can have mediocre DBs and still win if your pass rush is dominant. If building a great secondary could cover up a mediocre front seven, then the Redskins D would have been a lot better in the 2000s.

It just goes to the standard for building a football team...build it from the line of scrimmage back.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

You'd have to think Allen and Shanny would never let that happen if they identified him as a key player for us to keep. They gave up a #2 for him, invested time and energy in him, and won't have any qualms paying him.

Also, the allure of playing the Eagles at least twice a year might mean something to him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse


Honestly, I think getting McNabb was an audible that Shallen called at the line of scrimmage, so the whole "you have to assume Shallen has it all figured out" approach isn't something I'm prepared to readily apply. I give these guys more credit than the mickey-mouse operation that Cerratto was running, but I'm pretty sure those guys know as much as we do about what is going to happen tomorrow.

I don't know what McNabb is thinking, but he's made plenty of $$ and the dude clearly wants to win a Superbowl.

Win a SB vs. Play Eagles twice a year...c'mon which one has more allure to McNabb?

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

2nd, didn't fall, or get spun for anything...

"Can’t change a zebra strips. It’s a business to make money. Could be a win/win…Great player and big sales. Could be great sales and one year splash"

your words, idiot.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 3, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Also, the allure of playing the Eagles at least twice a year might mean something to him.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Also, since getting spanked by the Cowpies 3 times last year has to p*ss him off some, playing them 2 times every year will get him motivated, the deal will be done before midseason, book it! (did I steal someone's line?)

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Win a SB vs. Play Eagles twice a year...c'mon which one has more allure to McNabb?

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:24 AM


I think doing both in D.C. has more allure than anything...just sayin'...

He's not gonna get a better situation than the one he has potential to create with Shanahan here. Having the Shanahans is the key to all of this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

No chance this happens...if McNabb were to leave (and I seriously doubt that he will) he'd go to Arizona. He has a home there, has Larry Fitzgerald to throw to and they'd be an instant title contender. That's the only situation I could see as an improvement over what he'd get here.

Paying guys has never been the problem for the Skins. I'd be stunned if they can't get a deal done...the 30% rule is the only thing holding this up and it should be moot going into 2011.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse


Well the core issue is the same, let me rephrase:

What is preventing McNabb from walking after this season and going to a team that is a much more legit SB contender (like Vikes or Zona)?

Is it $$$? The dude has made plenty of cash in his career, and he's inching ever so closer to that desperate "I'll sign for the vet minimum if it gets me a SB ring" phase of his career.

Is it the thrill of playing in DC? I know it is heresy for us fans to think that a player could callously walk away from our beloved franchise in a one-n-done fashion, but what ties does McNabb have to us, seriously. He plans to retire to Zona; his ex-coach is in Minny running bascially the same offense he's played his whole life. Does he hate Philly soooo much that he's gonna stay here just to try to stick it to them, when there are other teams out there one-step away from a SB? Doubt it.

And even if the Skins are forced to break the bank to keep McNabb around, how is that a good move? Is that what we want? We just seemed to get out of an era of totally overpaying someone else's stars to play here in the twilight of their career.

Like I said, I'll be interested in seeing how quickly those negotiations go...but the longer they drag the messier it is...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It may have been an audible, but it doesn't change what they've invested so far. I guess it's ultimately up to McNabb and while I haven't heard him say anything to indicate he's thinking of one and done, he wouldn't exactly telegraph his plans to the media.

Superbowl>>revenge. For Farve it was always going to be Minnesota no matter what, but then again he's already got a ring.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Also, since getting spanked by the Cowpies 3 times last year has to p*ss him off some, playing them 2 times every year will get him motivated, the deal will be done before midseason, book it! (did I steal someone's line?)

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse


Let's not overplay the revenge factor here. If McNabb wants to stick it to everyone and going out flipping the slim-shady to all of his detractors, there's one way to get that done - win a Superbowl.

Can he do that here? Maybe it will depend on how the season goes. If things take off and go well, maybe he's more inclined to that extension. But if there's a slow start and things aren't clicking, I doubt McNabb is going to marry himself to a longer-term rebuilding project in DC if that's what he perceives.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Why do the Skins believe that having FOUR over-the-hill washed up running backs is better than having THREE over-the-hill washed up running backs?

Wouldn't just one work fine? Wouldn't it be helpful to have at least one young change-of-pace back with some speed? You know, someone who'll still be on the roster next year?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 3, 2010 7:55 AM
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I don't think signing Westbrook means that they will carry four - as you call it - over-the-hill running backs. Word on the street is Willie Parker has lost his burst and his days are numbered. I'd be so fine with Westbrook here. He has great hands and still has some speed. So, you have CP as your every down back, LJ as your short yardage power back, and Westbrook as your third and long back. You mix them up a little bit just to keep defenses guessing, but that would be the way I'd align their duties. Then you throw the young guy in occasionally as a change of pace. Shanny won't have much of a receiving corps so he will be planning a lot of running plays...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 3, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

"I've never been a part of so many OTA practices," quarterback Donovan McNabb said with a laugh.

Sounds a lil passive aggressive, doncha think?

D Mac at least understands the Cult O' Football and the wack desire coaches have to overpractice for the shortest of all professional sports seasons.

Vacation time is coming, my friend.

And in August: it's on!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Bean,
Point was McNabb could be a one year splash. And yes the number 5 jersey is the hottest selling jersey isn’t it? Looks like good marketing and good business practice.
Win/win? Sure.

It was a little slow on the posters this morning, I missed my morning read…Sometimes a stimulus package is needed.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | June 3, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I don't get how "the longer they drag the messier it is"...I mean, the ink is barely dry on the trade papers and this is a mess? McNabb is saying he plans to stay here the rest of his career and he's not worried about getting a deal done. He almost HAS to say the former publically, but I take him at his word on the latter.

The only ones who would make this a big deal are the media and punch-drunk fans. We've got until March 2011 to get him re-signed. The only way I see him walking away is if the Skins are so galactically bad in 2010 that he feels he's better off elsewhere. I can't imagine a scenario like that playing out with Shanahan on board.

McNabb doesn't strike me as the egomaniac that Favre is so thinking he'll use us as the Jets were used by Favre and the Packers is a bit shortsighted, IMO. McNabb sees what Shanahan did for Elway and he thinks he can get the same here. While the Vikes and Cards are better teams today, they don't have a head coach with the same rep for taking Pro-Bowl QBs to the next level like Shanahan does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

2nd, please confirm that you understand that jersey sales are divided by all 32 teams....you get this right??

So then expound how good a business decision is, when you only get 1/32nd of the profits??

I mean, bring heat by all means, but don't bring stupid stuff, then stand by it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 3, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Can he do that here? Maybe it will depend on how the season goes. If things take off and go well, maybe he's more inclined to that extension. But if there's a slow start and things aren't clicking, I doubt McNabb is going to marry himself to a longer-term rebuilding project in DC if that's what he perceives.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:37 AM


What would you define as "things taking off and going well"? Would that be making the playoffs? 8-8?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse


My point about things dragging on was only to say that you want to get the extension wrapped up sooner rather than later...wait till later and it can get messier b/c you never know what will happen.

I agree 100% that if this Redskins project starts to go south that McNabb is going to seriously second-guess how long he wants to stay here. And quite frankly, there's no guarantee that this project is going to turn around in one year. We all feel good about Shallen, but everything is up in the air - a couple injuries, a couple unlucky bounces, Trent Williams doesn't pan out in year 1, other first-year kinks to work out - this team could very well finish under-500.

And if McNabb hasn't signed an extension and he sees the Vikes going deep into the playoffs again...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Let's not overplay the revenge factor here. If McNabb wants to stick it to everyone and going out flipping the slim-shady to all of his detractors, there's one way to get that done - win a Superbowl.

Can he do that here? Maybe it will depend on how the season goes. If things take off and go well, maybe he's more inclined to that extension. But if there's a slow start and things aren't clicking, I doubt McNabb is going to marry himself to a longer-term rebuilding project in DC if that's what he perceives.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

I see your point, but lets not underplay the revenge factor here either. Look at Sam Huff, he always got more worked up playing against the Giants than when the Redskins played anyone else. When we beat the Giants 72-41 in the highest scoring football game ever, we were leading 69-41, Huff ran over to the coach and told him to call timeout and CONVINCED the coach to go for a field goal just to rub it into the Giant's faces more. McNabb does want to win a SB, any idiot can figure that out (maybe not Vinny?) but if it takes stepping on the proverbial necks of the Eagles and Cowpies twice a year to do it, that's the cherry on the sundae baby!!!

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Why do the Skins believe that having FOUR over-the-hill washed up running backs is better than having THREE over-the-hill washed up running backs?

Wouldn't just one work fine? Wouldn't it be helpful to have at least one young change-of-pace back with some speed? You know, someone who'll still be on the roster next year?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | June 3, 2010 7:55 AM


Is this a serious question or just run-of-the-mill RI lamenting??

Except for Portis, the older backs have dinky little deals and they are easily cut/released without big cap ramifications - not a biggie.

The young back you are wishing for is Ryan Torain, apparently Shanny thinks the world of him. He's been bitten by the injury bug over the past year or so, but he's there.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I gotcha pfunk. I just think the Shanahan card is one that trumps all others because of his track record. Even though the Vikes and Cards boast better teams TODAY, I don't think that'll be the case by 2012. We're a great 2011 offseason away from contention and I think McNabb recognizes that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Keep in mind the Orakpo had his hat trick without 92 in the lineup.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | June 3, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse


If Haynesworth had played against the Raiders, Orakpo might have had double-digit sacks in that one game alone...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:01 AM

Funk, even when you're wrong you're usually reasonable, or at least rational. I know the heart wants what it wants, but still, I do not understand your blind love for this fat guy.

Posted by: mack1 | June 3, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"...this Redskins project starts to go south that McNabb is going to seriously second-guess how long he wants to stay here."

Well, McNabb could stay, and things could go South, too.

The guy is in his 30s, ya know.

The trick is to pay him a lot up front (guaranteed money will seal the McNabb deal) with 3-5 years while drafting--next year--his replacement.

A quarterback, right tackle, left guard, and running are emerging as team needs looking into the Spring '11 draft.

But first, let's make sure McNabb is in the house.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth had played against the Raiders, Orakpo might have had double-digit sacks in that one game alone...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:01 AM

Funk, even when you're wrong you're usually reasonable, or at least rational. I know the heart wants what it wants, but still, I do not understand your blind love for this fat guy.

Posted by: mack1 | June 3, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse


What can I say? The fatsos don't get enough love in the game.

Seriously, it's not blind love for AH. I don't hate him for the contract - I hate Vinny for the contract. His work-ethic/attitude is less than admirable, but it's no less than what folks could reasonably expect from him, so to me it's not necessarily "disappointing".

He's a beast on the field. If he'd played against that sad-sack Raider Oline, he and the rest of the guys would have tallied probably a dozen sacks.

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

If Haynesworth had played against the Raiders, Orakpo might have had double-digit sacks in that one game alone...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 8:01 AM


Haynesworth may or may not have made a difference in that game.

When Jamarcus Russell went in to that game, it was obvious that the Raiders just gave up.

I admit that I still want Haynesworth on the team. He is a monster on the field...when he's on it.

He's kind of like Sex Panther by Odeon. "60% of the time, he works every time."

I'll take that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"His work-ethic/attitude is less than admirable, but it's no less than what folks could reasonably expect from him, so to me it's not necessarily "disappointing"

I feel like the aflac duck after reading that.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 3, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

He's kind of like Sex Panther by Odeon. "60% of the time, he works every time."

I'll take that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 9:13 AM

LOL...well played, sir.

pfunk, you gotta get off AH's jock...3rd nut isn't a good look for you...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

He's kind of like Sex Panther by Odeon. "60% of the time, he works every time."

I'll take that.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the actual percentage of plays he was in last year? I'll take 50% as long as he's being disruptive in the middle (not in the middle of strippers though).

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Exerpt of a PFT post:

"Atogwe's salary demands are "extremely high," which helps explain the absence of a quick deal. So either his expectations will drop or he'll wait for someone to overpay."

NOW I see why the Skins aren't in hot pursuit...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know the actual percentage of plays he was in last year? I'll take 50% as long as he's being disruptive in the middle (not in the middle of strippers though).

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse


It's been published on many occasions that AH played the 2nd most snaps of any Skins D-lineman last year.

He also played more snaps than Pro-Bowl colleagues Haloti Ngata and Vince Wilfork.

Sadly, as is the custom around here, actual facts don't prevent people from nurturing their ignorant pet-hatreds and criticisms.

We see this often with AH and second-most-often with DeAngelo Hall.

IMO, it's like Playa-Hater's Ball around here. All we are missing is Ice-T moderating the discussions...

Posted by: p1funk | June 3, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I agree funk, for 350 plus pounds, dude moves like a gazelle, a gazelle that swallowed a baby elephant, but still a gazelle. If I was carrying that much weight I'd take some plays off as well. I just want to see him play more games than 12.

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

When Gibbs 2.0 came back, he was averaging around 99% the 1st 2 years......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, while you're giving us numbers, post AH's number of trips to the oxygen tank...you know, in the interest of full disclosure...

And very funny what you said about my coat...it's made up of ya mama's pubic hairs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sf_Dd0Eke0

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I just want to see him play more games than 12.

Posted by: monk811 | June 3, 2010 9:38 AM


I'd settle for him just showing up to 12 practices at this point...gotta crawl before you walk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

See what you got me doing now pfunk? Your Playa Hatas Ball remark got me watching a bunch of old Chappelle Show skits...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtdFRHQwF2I&feature=related

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

theres been alot of talk about Mcnabb and how he's some form of the classic redskins "short term splash" but this couldnt be farther from the truth. While it is almost guaranteed mcnabb wont win a title in DC, we just arent there yet, what he is here to do is build a winning foundation for the next 10 years. He immediately stabilizes the QB position, and we will be competetive in every game we play. The young kids we bring in will now learn how to win, and how to be hungry, so this in essence does have long standing effects on the make up of the team

Posted by: DaFunBunch | June 3, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"theres been alot of talk about Mcnabb and how he's some form of the classic redskins "short term splash" but this couldnt be farther from the truth. While it is almost guaranteed mcnabb wont win a title in DC,"

RRRRRNT!!! Waita minute..Aren't we a bit of the OD on the needle this morning?? And you claim to be a Redskins fan?? McNabb has publicly stated he wants to finish his career here in DC and bring us a Super Bowl..And he will...Now go do your Ming Dynasty H till you shrivel up like a turnip..

Posted by: frak | June 3, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

While it is almost guaranteed mcnabb wont win a title in DC...

Posted by: DaFunBunch | June 3, 2010 9:55 AM


That's like telling a 30-something woman you're dating that she's a stepping stone girlfriend and not a prospective wife...WTF would you stay for?

There are no guarantees in the NFL, dude. While it's not a guarantee that they'll win it all, it's also not a guarantee that they won't. Your remarks are way beyond pessimistic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I think the Skins can compete for a title this year.

Great QB. Great defense. Great coach.

Plus the super secret f*cking football formula has calculated the Skins to win the NFC East.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Did the Vikings sign Favre for jersey sales? No. The Skins signed McNabb to win games.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Yeah, I think the McNabb short term QB "fix" was made for the same reason Larry Johnson, Galloway, Wade, and other NFL geezers were signed. Because Shanahan knows that with an amateur owner like Snyder, you may not get a second season.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 3, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Great QB. Great defense. Great coach.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 3, 2010 10:09 AM


2 outta 3 ain't bad.

I still think the defense is being overrated...just because we spent most of the last decade in the top 10 defensively doesn't mean we'll stay there. New scheme, new coaches, more disgruntled players than playmakers. I'll be surprised if this defense doesn't take a step back this year.

That's why I project big things for 2011 and 2012. It'll take about that long to get the D up to snuff.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Where do McNabb and Westbrook actually get us? Seriously, they couldn't get it done in Philly together, and coming to the Skins is going to change that? If you take McNabb and Westbrook out of the equation for both teams, I think Philly is still the better team. Sure, they could make us a better team for next year, but all that does is moves us to the middle of the pack and we end up drafting between 12 and 17. Are we trying to win some games or are we trying to build a Super Bowl team?

Posted by: manbrute | June 3, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

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