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Playoff Clarity

Well, we can finally throw all those crazy scenarios out the window.
Skins need to win Sunday. Period. And they'll probably need to beat the Cowboys, too.

We all basically knew it all along, but in the wacky NFL you see some wild stuff.

Minnesota looked pretty bad last night - though the 4 turnovers had a lot to do with it - and there's no doubt in my mind Gregg Williams is going ot stack the line and go after that young QB, Jackson, as much as possible, They'll use numbers to plug up running holes - especially to the Vikings left side - and I expect to see corners Springs and Smoot creeping down to keep RB Peterson from getting to the outside.

If the Vikes are without Winfield< a stud corner, in this one it could be huge.

Great game either way. Look forward to watching it unfold.

I'm doing Comcast today from 5-6 if you want to shoot an email to the show Washington Post Live.

Cheers.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 18, 2007; 11:28 AM ET
 
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1st?

Posted by: dlhaze | December 18, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Just as well. I'd prefer they have to win to get in anyway. Now if the Saints could just lose.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | December 18, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Just keep winning, by Todd!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Any chance we get "Flexed" two weeks in row (e.g. vs. Dallas week 17) ... and finish the season with 4 night games?

Posted by: theclevz | December 18, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Vikes blog at the Star-Tribune:

http://nc.startribune.com/blogs/vikings/?p=1229

Some "fans" are pooh-poohing their chances against the Skins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

theclevs,

The Cowboys have already played the maximum number of prime time games, so there's no way the game will get flexed to a night game.

It could get flexed to a 4:15 start instead, giving the whole country a chance to watch.

Posted by: -swb | December 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

WOW, if Winfield is out, that is H U G E. He's a great corner, and great in run support. That would be a huge factor in the outcome of this game.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 18, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Nobody mentioned the Vikes' purple and purple costumes last night? That must have looked awful.

They're going back to the usual purple shirt/white pants for next Sunday.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

What are Jason Campbell's starts to turnover ratio for his career?

Posted by: dbussjd | December 18, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Are the skins doing another throwback game? Would be cool to the the old uni's against the cowboys.....

Posted by: dlhaze | December 18, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Better late than never :

Not sure if everyone is aware of this, but for years Chris Paul from WPGC does weekly Redskins songs. He takes a hot beat and changes the words into a 'Skins rally song. (He does an amazing job)

You can either be lucky enough to catch it on WPGC, or most weeks you can grab it off of www.youtube.com

Search - "Chris Paul Redskins"

If you all were already aware of this :

Go 'Skins

If not, check it out.

Peace

Posted by: bigmurf08 | December 18, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse

swb -

thx ...didn't realize there was a max # of prime time games a team could play

Posted by: theclevz | December 18, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

That was JUST the kind of game skins fans wanted Minnesota involved in last night. SO GLAD that minnesota did not lose, because there's no way they'd lose 2 straight home games the way they've been playing...but Skins fans should be ecstatic that the Vikes were in a nail biter and came out on top.

Posted by: Barno1 | December 18, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me the issue with re-signing Shawn Springs? I know he has a big cap number but he is our best corner. He has played out of his mind this year with injuries, his father on his death bed for weeks, Sean Taylor's death, and with a completely depleted secondary. He is one of the classiest dudes in the NFL. Why on Earth would we not keep him? Who knows how Carlos will come back? I really hope things have changed on that front. Anyone know?

Also, would love to get Jason and Cindy's take on the U of Miami safety Kenny Phillips. I know we went safety twice in the last several years, but look how great it paid off. Phillips is legit and it seems like a real weak draft after you get past the top 3 or 4. If it were up to me, give me Jake Long and Mario Mannigham and lets go win a championship, but no way we get Long, maybe we could find a way to land Manningham.

It seems like we will address the d-line in free agency. Just get that feeling. I would also like to note that the rookie DEs taken so high this year have been pretty sucky. Gaines Adams...BUST! Jamaal Anderson...Mediocre! Okoye has been okay, but certainly not the impact that my man LaRon Landry has had.

I know we are in the thick of the playoff race but watching how well Springs played and how great he was in interviews afterward, I thought about this critical issue.

The Governor

Posted by: songofroland | December 18, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

dbussjd, here are some numbers I found for Campbell, from the yahoo:

20 starts
624 attempts
360 completions
22 TD passes
17 interceptions
14 fumbles
8 fumbles lost

does this help?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7201/career

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Gov, there is a cat who plays LB for wisconsin, last name Casillas. He goes 6'2, 220 pounds, and runs a 4.37. I'd take him with the 2nd or 3rd round pick, and stick him at Safety.

End of draft rant...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 18, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The vikings are a mediocre team with a great running back and solid D... They are who we thought they were and we can beat them!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 18, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The Giants will lose the next 2 games - we will take there place in the playoffs if we win out. bye bye Manning.

Posted by: brianlee720 | December 18, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Governor -

I'm with you on Springs. I don't see the Redskins letting him go unless they just can't fit his numbers into the cap. Besides, the cap magicians should be able to turn his 2008 salary into a signing bonus and extend him to lessen his cap hit. Just don't insult the man again by asking him to take a pay cut. The going rate for starting CBs in the NFL is going up, up, up - and Springs will be a bargain in 2008 at his current price.

With Sean T. gone and Carlos a big question mark for 2008, Springs' experience and leadership is needed to keep the DBs together.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Casillas. He goes 6'2, 220 pounds, and runs a 4.37.

220 pounds. I sold on him. lol

Posted by: jm220 | December 18, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

6'2, 220 LB? Make him a safety? Sounds like the newest incarnation of Archuleta. With his size, he should already be a safety, unless he can't cover deep.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying Washington will loose to the Vikings but you can't be just a mediocre team with TWO way above average RB's, a great O-line, and a defense ranked 16th in the league.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2007 12:39 PM | Report abuse

theres a guy from oklahoma, nic harris free safety listed at 6'3" about 235 having a great year. Check him out.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 18, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the draft, it is looking like thie 2008 draft will be very deep for good, tall, fast wide receivers. No need to waste a high draft pick on a posession-type WR, when a decent one can probably be had as late as the 5th round.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

good point, tafka.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

tafka, according to the college football preview issue, Casillas plays LB, but also subs in at CB, and S.

Dave197391, what year is that guy?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 18, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I hope our last game is not changed to 4:15 as we have not won a 4:15 game all season.

Posted by: Lisa | December 18, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I believe nic harris is a junior hes kind of flying under the radar. I think he was up for the lott award. Im not sure though. He was up for some kind of national DB award.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 18, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Are the skins doing another throwback game? Would be cool to the the old uni's against the cowboys.....

Posted by: dlhaze | December 18, 2007 12:06 PM

If you mean the ones we wore in Week 3 against the Jints, count me out. Those things are tainted. Plus, with the yellow helmets and pants, we looked like the Ronald McDonalds.

I think the jersey itself is pretty sweet, and I was all revved up to buy one, but then we went and established the precedent of blowing a first half lead. Now I don't want one. Bad hoodoo.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Nic Harris looks interesting - and size is similar to Sean T. If he can run a 4.5 in pads, he is definitely worth a look.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Times has the scoop on Gibbs future plans with the team (strange no mention Gibbs future in the Post lately...)

Gibbs could stay beyond deal

December 18, 2007

By David Elfin - Joe Gibbs is open to the idea of remaining as coach of the Washington Redskins beyond the end of his contract next year.

Last night, Gibbs didn't want to address a rumor that Redskins owner Dan Snyder had offered him a two-year extension.

"I don't want to dredge up a bunch of stuff, hear people talking about, 'Hey, Joe wants to talk to Dan about a contract,' " Gibbs said. "We'll talk at some point. That stuff takes place in the offseason. My focus now is on [Sunday's game at] Minnesota. That's where I'm going to leave it."

Snyder could not be reached for comment.

Gibbs, 140-65 during his initial Hall of Fame tenure with the Redskins, is 30-34 during his current four-year stint.

But after winning their past two games, the Redskins (7-7) are still in the thick of the NFC wild card race. If they somehow rallied to reach postseason, it would mark their second berth in three seasons after qualifying just once during his 11-year absence.

Speculation has focused on whether safety Sean Taylor's murder and a series of agonizing losses would prompt the 67-year-old to retire after this season, but the coach didn't want to address that either.

"I'll stick by my statements," said Gibbs, who always has maintained he intended to fulfill the five-year, $25 million contract he signed in January 2004.

One reason for the talk about an extension was to assure the players that their coach wouldn't be a lame duck in 2008, but Gibbs said that shouldn't be a factor either.

"I think the players kinda know," Gibbs said. "They know me, what I'm all about. I don't think they're worried about that. They're worried about the playoffs. They're not worried about me."

Posted by: Barno1 | December 18, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere he runs a 4.6 although im not sure where i read that. ST wasnt that big i dont think, especially this year, he slimmed down.

Posted by: dave197391 | December 18, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Regarding last night's game -

I always thought that Tarvaris Jackson was one of the Jackson 5. After seeing some of the passes he threw last night, he should have been a member of the Jackson 5.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Barno, there's nothing there that hasn;t been said loads of times before. What 'scoop' is it that you see here? Is it:

2. Gibbs may stay beyond his contract. Or not.
%. Snyder may have offered an extension. Or not?

There's nothing here. If the WaPo mentioned something as totally speaculative/unsubstantiated as this you'd be ALL over them. Why aren't you with the Times?

Posted by: toddcoat | December 18, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Times has the scoop on Gibbs future plans with the team (strange no mention Gibbs future in the Post lately...)

Gibbs could stay beyond deal

I knew it - Snyder/Gibbs think that going from 5-11 to most likely 7-9 is great progress.

What a disaster.

Posted by: gdennie | December 18, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Yea Im not sure how I feel about Gibbs coming back for another couple years, I hate the conservative offense that he has brought.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 18, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

FS, Nic Harris (Jr.)
Draft Projection: 1st Round
Height: 6-3 | Weight: 232

Harris is a big-time safety who has the skills to play in coverage or in the box and defend the run. He has great awareness and positions himself well to make plays. He has great ball skills and rolls over to coverage well. He immediately recognizes the action and delivers punishing hits on the opposition. He possesses a great burst of speed, moves well laterally, and can lay sideline-to-sideline. He's a disciplined defender who rarely gets caught out of position. Harris is a special player. He has the ability to change a game from the safety position. However, he's an underclassman, and it's unknown if he'll make himself available for the draft. If he does, he's a lock to be a first-round pick.

this is from Scout.com 2008 draft projections

Posted by: dave197391 | December 18, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

In that Times article about an extension for Gibbs, Gibbs said it all: let's wait until the off-season to worry about his contract. He needs to be thinking about things like time outs, going for it on 4th down, kicking field goals, etc. No reason for his head to be filled with meaningless stuff.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Sleeper Pick...
Talib Aqib Kansas

Team Captain (2007)

Playboy Preseason All-America (2007)Second-team All-America (SI.com)

(2006)All-Big 12 First Team (Coaches, AP, Rivals.com, K.C. Star, Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, Fort Worth Star Telegram) (2006)

Preseason All-Big 12 (2006)

Bronko Nagurski Preseason Watch List (2006)

Freshman All-America (Rivals.com) (2005)

Freshman All-America Second Team (Scout.com) (2005)

All-Big 12 Honorable Mention (Coaches, AP) (2005)

Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year (Fort Worth Star Telegram) (2005)

Freshman All-Big 12 Defensive Back (TSN) (2005)

One of the stars on the undefeated Jayhawks squad. Talib is only a junior, but if he enters the NFL Draft early he will garner a lot of attention from NFL scouts. Talib is a nice sized corner (6' 1" 196 lbs) and can also play some wide out. This year he has caught 8 passes for 182 yards and 4 TDs. As a corner he is ranked 5th in the nation with 17 passes defended.

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 18, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

re: StarTribune Vikes blog:
It's actually sort of refreshing to hear people a little skeptical about the Vikes. Usually they all start shouting about Super Bowls with about 5 wins.
Tavaris is really the weak link in the offense. We need to keep the pressure on that guy. Their receivers are not all that. The running game is brutal, though. They run an offense that is (of course) a lot like the Philly offense. Big time running, swing passes to RBs, and shot down field to a lackluster WR corps.
The Vikes Defense can also be scary. They are really opportunistic with turnovers and especially interceptions. Winfield being hurt is a big bonus.
I think the Skins have a really good chance of turning in a win next week. TODD will be able to rely on his quick release and timing passes, which he didn't really get to do last week against the Giants. He seems, in general, to get rid of the ball a lot faster than Campbell did. That's very Kansas City-style. The receivers turn around and the ball's already on them. The dome works to our advantage that way.
Rocky out hurts us just as much as Winfield out hurts them. We need big time help stuffing those weak side rushes by Mr. All Day Peterson.

BTW: Shockey has to be one of my all-time least favorite Giant, and he always seems to rip the skins, but he did a good thing Sunday night (ok, maybe two good things.) The ST 21 on the black stickers was classy. The words "Shockey" and "Classy" in the same paragraph. Bizarre.

Beer: Local favorite if you can find it: Summit Pale Ale. Also for hop heads: Surley Furious. 100 IBU. Wow.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Serenity now!!!

I think the Skins can pull it off. I just can't help but think of all the games we lost that should have been wins. Bills? Giants? Eagles? The list goes on. If the Skins had one just one of those games...

But then again, what if they lost to Arizona... we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Is Ray Brown still apart of the staff? Could he come in for a "Matt Foley" type speech? Or dress Mel Gibson up as William Wallace? Or Kenneth Branagh as Henry V? We need every swinging soul on board for Minnesota.

Posted by: Dorf | December 18, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

If we decide to go safety, we should go with the Miami kid.

I just want to say one thing. There will never be another Sean Taylor, and I have said that since he was a sophomore at Miami. He was the combination, plus the incredible tenacity that you can never teach and a love of football that was part of his soul. Seriously, he will never be replicated.

Just thinking in terms of how our D is built, predicated on nasty safety play.

Someone get me Phillips.

Posted by: songofroland | December 18, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Agreed MNSkinsFan. I no Shockey fan but give him mad respect for the stickers.

Posted by: jm220 | December 18, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Having the Dallas game moved to 4 pm start would be huge...however it won't likely happen.

Let's assume that both Dallas and GB win this week (or both lose - same scenario).

Then Dallas has to still play hard in last game of year. But GB game is at 1 PM (vs. Det). If Detroit somehow beats GB then Dallas will know before kickoff that they can phone it in.

If the games are at the same time, Dallas probably has to press to make sure that they don't give up ground.

Problem is that Fox who carries the game doesn't want Dallas to no-show - so they will not want to move the game until 4 PM with chance that doing so will make a widely broadcast game be filled with 3rd stringers.

Posted by: cleary900 | December 18, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

MNSkinsFan, getting colder... colder...

The beer recommendation, I mean. I get all hyped up for Oskar Blues (one of the Coloradans up here mentioned them) and now this intriguing Surly line, and as far as I can tell NONE of their stuff is available out here. Ah well. It ain't like I'm dying of thirst.

You going to the game Sunday?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Talib Aqib of Kansas looks like he might be real good but I doubt he is a sleeper pick, based on his past accolades. Probably the only team that doesn't know about him is the Baltimore Ravens.

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Governor -

Do you think LaRon is better at strong safety for the long term?

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I hear alot about the saftey thats at lsu, any word on that guy

Posted by: SAK2 | December 18, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Tafka the only reason I would consider him a sleeper is that I have not seen him in any of the mock draft stuff...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 18, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

LaRon is nasty at either safety spot because of his speed and range. You saw what he did to Plaxico on that play. Also, there was a play he made first game of the season where he was at the line and ran something like 35 yards downfield to break up a pass AND ALMOST GOT AN INT he was in position so quickly.

Remember, other than Sean Taylor, LaRon Landry is the greatest safety prospect to ever come out of college. Roy Williams was naaaasty, but he didn't have the speed that LaRon did (does).

Much like TE and WR, the Safety position has evolved where it requires nastier and nastier athletes to play there, and that is also due to the nastier and nastier athletes playing WR and TE.

I would love to see us get Phillips.

Posted by: songofroland | December 18, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

All for the nastier! The nastier, the nastier.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Walter Thomas currently a free agent.

Known as "Great Wall," Thomas is considered exceptionally fast for his large size, and can execute gymnastic maneuvers such as flips and cartwheels.

* Wears a size XXXXXXL jersey.
* Bench presses 505 pounds & squats 800 pounds.
* Has 11½-inch hands and size 16 feet.
* Thomas, at 6'5 370 pounds, can perfectly execute a full frontflip.
* Thomas holds the Oklahoma State single game sack record of 9.
* Runs a 5 flat in the 40!!!!

He was cut from the Saints because of conditioning problems... Doesn't Danny have enough to get this guy a personal trainer and pay him the league minimum? Hell put him on the practice squad for a year

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 18, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams will do his job. He's the only guy I have had confidence when joe gibbs came back. The defense has been solid for years. The defense has been the one constant thing.

Posted by: smartfan | December 18, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Governor -

I haven't seen Miami play at all this year, but Phillips sounds like the next in a good line of safeties from there. Big question is whether the Redskins will select another safety in the first round, particularly given the needs at DE, OL, and CB. In particular, I can't see another year of holding the D-line together with Daniels and Evans.

LaRon has been very impressive at FS in the short time he's been there - seems to have adapted well quite quickly, considering all the time he spent at SS since arriving. The hit on Plaxico was very impressive. (Wonder if T.O. has seen the tape of it yet?)

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

With condtioning problems i doubt he can do all those things now, although how sweet would it be to see him do a flip over an OL and get a sack. I would love to see a big body in at DT might be worth a look.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 18, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Beer comment:

I think you can only get Surly in MN, unfortunately. They are still pretty small. They make ridonkulous beers, though. People line up outside of their brewery for growlers on the weekends. Often times, it's below zero when we.. er I mean "they" do this. They've been putting their beers in cans lately, I think that the distribution laws are screwy. That, and they are pretty small, volume-wise.
Also loves me a Bell's Two Hearted. That's MI. Portland looks like a nice beer town. Lots of brewpubs downtown?

Hell yes I'm going to the game. I've been looking forward to it all year, and well well well, it looks like it's actually going to be a game. There were a few weeks where I thought it may be a stinker.

Is a sign tacky ("Nobody But Collins")? I'm not a face paint sort of guy, but what's the best accessory to go with a throwback Monk jersey? Any ideas from the blog are encouraged. Stripes maybe?

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

6'5, 370 - conditioning problem? LMAO!

Posted by: tafka | December 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

trailblazer658

Walter Thomas was cut 15 MINUTES into the Saints first pre-season practice.

http://www.neworleansprofootball.com/051207thomas.html

That's seriously out of condition.

Adam

Posted by: argh | December 18, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

good news, but some of us geeks are still sore about Tom Bombadil.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I didnt realize he was that out of condition LOL but still with those god given abilities the question remains can't we sign this guy to the league minimum and get him a personal trainer??? Maybe that chick from the biggest loser!! I mean come on 6'5 370 and runnin the 40 in 5!!! 9 sacks in one game and I believe they said 4 in another...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

In remember that, I was reading about him getting cut 15 mins into practice, thats pretty bad I dont think ive ever heard of someone getting cut at practice.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 18, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Trailblazer thats probubly what the saints were thinking when they picked him up. I would dare to say we have a better front 4 than they do and they cut him 15 mins into the first day of practice, probubly not a good prospect to mess with.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 18, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Governor, I think Springs is safe for another year, primarily b/c of Rogers' injury. That said, I think the Skins have a bigger problem at CB than they do at safety, if only due to age and health. Landry is solid beast, but Doughty is doing well under the circumstances (even though, for the rest of his Skins career, he will always be the safety who isn't Sean Taylor).

The safety I like for "right now" purposes is a restricted free agent free safety for the Rams, O.J. Atogwe. Fast, plays fast, hits hard, hangs onto his picks (he might lead the league in interceptions by a safety).

I've thought that CB is a deeper hole than DE for a while too. First pick should be a CB. The DE should come out of free agency (esp. based the bust that was last year's class). I'm also thinking about another (early round) outside linebacker, if only for the size/speed/aggressiveness that the Skins have recently lost from Rocky (injury) and Marcus (what happened to him ... he's fallen way off).

Posted by: dcsween | December 18, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Nobody
Beats
Collins

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

New
Bake
City

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

we are a team that can use a youth/ talent upgrade at almost every single position.... saftey is one position where we have a player....we need a few better bigger faster younger to go along withn the solid team guys we know we will not cut .... anyone hear madden when talking about gibbs coaching career say he has only one player in the hall and probally getting another in D. green..... where is the love for art monk....I mean was he really that unremarkable that even al micheals doesn't mention him .......

Posted by: Oldschool | December 18, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree I wouldnt mind seeing us draft a OLB, but not in the first, I would love to see us get a good DT a big body that can get prssure, the high motor type that doesnt quit. The only one DT that I know of is dorsey from lsu, not sure if there is anymore out there, I dont like what the mocks that are out now have us taking a small DE that reminds me a gaines adams (small quick type) and we all see how well he is doing this year.

Posted by: SAK2 | December 18, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I bet if asked Madden would say Monk deserves it...

Oldschool...did Madden mean that as a compliment or put down? Seems to me thats a compliment...

Gibbs era dudes who should be in: Monk, Mosley, Grimm, Jacoby....and I think you could make a case for Ernest Byner and Gary Clark....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 18, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

New
Bake
City

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 18, 2007 02:08 PM

Thank you, Danny Smith!

Posted by: dcsween | December 18, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Nobody
Beats
Collins!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | December 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool, I don't know that we need an upgrade at RB, or QB. I mean, Portis is going to be 27, most likely going to go over 1200 yards running behind an AVERAGE at best, line. Betts, save for his one fumble hasn't had that many opportunities, but we saw how he responded last year when thrust into the starting role.

Campbell is the future, and you've got to be happy with the way that Collins has responded since the bears game.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 18, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I always liked Shockey as a player (except when he played against the Skins). There are not many guys out there who play with that type of heart.

I don't think we need should draft an LB (unless there is a Sean Merriman-type available). We need a DE. I also think that we need to look at secondary. Rookie CB's are almost never any good the first year, so you need to look two-three years down the line at that position. Safety is a concern just because of the system we play. If Williams changes that, we are solid there.

Oh yeah, where are those morons that said a couple weeks ago that we need to cut Samuels after this year?

Posted by: BT23 | December 18, 2007 2:23 PM | Report abuse

SAK2 - I am with you, if we go DE, it needs to be a bigger-type. Shouldn't have two speed rushers at the end.

Posted by: BT23 | December 18, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs era dudes who should be in: Monk, Mosley, Grimm, Jacoby....and I think you could make a case for Ernest Byner and Gary Clark....


Posted by: chrislarry | December 18, 2007 02

Don't know about Mosley, Byner, Clark...but gimme Monk, Grimm, and Jake

Posted by: cej75024 | December 18, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

nate
ball on the ground about once a game must stop or it will be campbells undoing....its the one major flaw thats a career killer no coach is going long term with a qb that does not protect the ball....its my one big concern about him ...I like all that isee save that...

Posted by: Oldschool | December 18, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

National
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(Seriously, how come no one ever does that? Do you want to get on TV or not?)

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

If Calais Campbell (DE/Miami) declares early, I wouldn't cry if they traded up. But before I go down this path, I invited the Gubenatorial views on his Miami performance (excluding this season).

Posted by: dcsween | December 18, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Not to bog down yet another post about HOF talk, but, I heard FoxSports (i think?) mention Fred Taylor as potential HOF right now.......

I then was forced to wipe my TV down after I threw my Bacardi at it....Fred Taylor?? HOF???

Posted by: cej75024 | December 18, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is in the running for his running.

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=players-air-and-ground

Vote often. [Jamal Lewis has gotten 7 more hours of press ... and that was mostly because of his snow tires.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 18, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 02:27 PM

The art student in me would want to just go ahead and hold up one that said "I Am Holding A Sign".

I've got two votes for "Nobody Beats Collins". I'll hold up just about anything that the blog asks for.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken, FTaylor, just went over 10,000 yards a few games back, which seems to be the football equivalent of 500 home runs (sans steroids)/ 3000 hits in baseball.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 18, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Greg

didn't mean to imply our needs included qb cleary we have one....my record on portis is well documented , i have a love hate thing going on with him....for the record i will repeat....he is not the player i thought he was....he is a workhorse not a throughbread..... he is solid and he is very very important to gibbs and his teamates, he is an elite back without the ball, absolutlty gives up his body to block....all that said he is not a great fit for the running game we run....if he were 25 pounds more and ran with the same style he would devestating.....running back is very easy to replace on the field.... from that viewpoint cp in my mind if he were out for the year or cut next season, you guys would see what i'm trying to say....yet i fully understand his value to our team, the other things he brings and at times he is productive, I can live with that and his replacement is a far off possibility and a very very low priority......

Posted by: Oldschool | December 18, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I would be happy if we ended up with calais campbell. I really think DE should be the round 1 priority and I really want to see a bigger guy like calais instead of the smaller, faster type DEs. I just can't see drafting another safety in the 1st round.

MNskinsfan, I LOVE the bell's two-hearted ipa. I saw it in a 1.13 gallon "keg" last week and plan on getting one this weekend b.c I have never seen it sold like that before. Do they sell it like that up near you? If you have never tried dogfish head (pretty much all of them), you should. It's awesome.

Gibbs has never lost in minnesota. Should be a good friday presser.

Posted by: WrongDog | December 18, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll hold up just about anything that the blog asks for.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 02:35 PM

That could be dangerous. Personally, I'm not a big fan of adults holding up signs at a game, but a giant 21 would be my vote.

Posted by: puttinforbird | December 18, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Old, agree to disagree on Portis.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | December 18, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I re-watched the game yesterday, and three more observations:

1. Props to Reed Doughty for holding his own pretty well and nearly coming away with a pick on a well-timed pass defense over the middle.

2. Others have said it already, but good job by Heyer against Strahan. True that he got some help part of the time, but he also held his own in one-on-one matchups.

3. Is it just me, or did Steams look a little porous on defensing kick returns? Kinda surprising, considering how effective they were against the vaunted Devin Hester. Need to get Mix re-activated for this week.

4. (Somewhat related to #3) Did anyone see Thrash or hear if he was active?

5. Giants fans suck. No offense to Toddcoat, but when they showed the stands in the second half, for a second I thought I was looking at a Fins game.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Okay, five more observations, then. Not three.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

B to the eep. x2

Posted by: freakzilla | December 18, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

OK. Let me qualify that remark. I'll hold up anything cool that the blog votes for. (ie: "Fire Joe Gibbs" is right out.)

I have seen that Bells has been offering those little party kegs. I like that idea. I'm pretty sure I've had the dogfishhead. I had a bad Bells a few years back (I think it was a Belgian, which I have something against), and it's taken me a while to go back to it.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | December 18, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sween,

Calais is tight and would love to get him. Him and the kid Selvie are probably the first DEs to go after Dorsey goes #1 (small chance Jake Long goes #1...Miami could use everything...doubt they pass on the best DT prospect in years).

I also want you all to know NOT to drink the Kool Aid on our D-Line in terms of Montgomery and Golston. Those are nice players to have in a rotation but they SHOULD NOT be the building blocks of an NFL defense. Two ways to have a great line: explosion or enormous size and it is perfect if you have both. Montgomery and Golston have neither. Cornelius is so nasty because of his explosion off the ball. Those are the types of guys you want. That is why I was so high on Broderick Bunckley out of FSU two years ago. Rare explosive ability. Same with DC's own Darnell Dockett who was undersized but almost unblockable due to the explosion. Did you see how he manhandled us in our game against the Cardinals? Oh my...

Posted by: songofroland | December 18, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

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