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Poll: Worst QB bust of all time?

JaMarcus Russell's latest troubles revive the debate:

By Washington Post editors  |  July 7, 2010; 12:11 PM ET
 
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(* p1funk crumbling to his knees scratching bloody wounds into his face and chest with loud cries and wailing *)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!?!!?!?!

My dreams of bringing Kevin Durant home in 2011 have been shattered...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

My dreams of bringing Kevin Durant home in 2011 have been shattered...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse
_________________________

No 'Melo either... All FA's next year are trying to lock up new deals to get into the new CBA next year after a possible lockout... like this year in football, but unlike football the player holds the chips in the NBA.

Posted by: tony325 | July 7, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: artsnsportz | July 7, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Unbelievable!

You rip Kobe for being self-serving and ego driven then give Lebron the ol' attaboy when he does it? Maybe you can't see through the grandstanding "King" James loves to put on for the masses.


Biggest difference between the two:

Kobe doesn't put on a front that he's not an arrogant jerk. Lebron goes outta of his through posing and fronting like he isn't.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 11:00 AM |

Whoa wait a minute, I was just rippin' Kobe for the stupid dooshy faces he makes. I'm not one of those that was crashin' him for his past indiscretions or his ego. All I said was that he makes stupid faces. Also, I acknowledged that Lebron has a king sized ego and that ain't cool. Your makin' smoke where there ain't no fire my man.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

With the news that Wade/Bosh will land in Miami and LeBron likely staying in Cleveland or joining them in Miami, I think that things square up pretty nicely for the Wiz to offload Arenas to the Knicks.

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I took Ryan Leaf... cause he was #1 & where would the Bolts be now if they had drafted Peyton Manning?

It's up there with Odom/Durant... Jordan/Bowie, etc.

Posted by: tony325 | July 7, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 12:20 PM

This from the man who was just touting reading comprehension. He was talking about Vernon Davis v. Cooley. Carry on.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

With the news that Wade/Bosh will land in Miami and LeBron likely staying in Cleveland or joining them in Miami, I think that things square up pretty nicely for the Wiz to offload Arenas to the Knicks.

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:23 PM

I hope you are correct. If the Wiz can offload Arenas on anyone, that would be possibly the greatest personnel move ever.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | July 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

My dreams of bringing Kevin Durant home in 2011 have been shattered...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:14 PM


I know...my prediction of the Wizards in the Finals for 2012 are now officially dead...

To answer the above question, it just has to be JaMarcus Russell. Being the #1 overall pick and getting cut after just 3 years has to put him slightly ahead of Ryan Leaf. Plus Leaf got a couple more chances after SD...I think we've seen the last of JaMarcus in the NFL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

lh,

"The tight end list is classic what have you done for me lately. Cooley spent last year injured and other players had great seasons. Cooley has to prove he can regain his pro-bowl form There is also reason to believe that he will lose some catches to the emerging Fred Davis.

Years of success does not translate into a better player next year.

Are two pro bowls better than 1 when the 1 was last year?"


That's srobert1117's post. I dare you to show me where Vernon Davis is mentioned anywhere in that post.

My request that you improve your reading comprehension skills stands.

And I'm out. Enjoy your day.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I hope you are correct. If the Wiz can offload Arenas on anyone, that would be possibly the greatest personnel move ever.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | July 7, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse


With the Amare signing, the Knicks are now in-for-a-dime-in-for-a-dollar.

If Wade, Johnson, and James are going to shun NY, then the Knicks are going to need a "big-time" backcourt player to complement Amare so that they don't leave the summer with egg on their face.

Arenas makes sense in D'Antoni's "Just Score 100" system. D'Antoni lived with Steve Nash playing no defense for years, so having GA play no defense won't be much of an issue.

Between GA, Amare and D'Antoni they will at least be a high-scoring entertaining kind of team even if they never get over the top and win a title.

I imagine the Wiz would have to eat some of GA's contract, but it will be worth it.

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 12:35 PM

Context son. Context. His comment was in response to the conversation leading up to his post. You brought up VD being a one-year wonder. It was apparent to me his comment was in response to that seeing as VD has one pro bowl v. Cooley's two. Be out.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Wade/Bosh can be dangerous.

I would like some news on the linebacking corps. Who starts other than Fletcher/Orakpo? How does Alexander fit in? Chris Wilson?

I'm really starting to like what I see on the offensive line.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

p1, I think the Knicks are looking to get Ray Felton to run the point. Amare needs a classic PG not a ball dominator like Gil. Plus, I can't imagine the Knicks returning to cap hell for a guy who hasn't really played for 3 years.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

If you and your spouse and kid or kids and family dog were stranded on an island and you had two choices to make which one would you choose:

A: kill the dog and eat the dog meat until help arrives

B: you all die as a family

Posted by: GreatOne1

Do we have mustard, onions and hot dog buns?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

No way LJ leaves Cle. LJ is all about LJ and if he goes to Mia, it's all about the new Big 3. And what a big Moodlymoo he would take on Cle if he holds a 1 hr special and announces he leaving.

The play for him and his ego is stay. If not the he'll be more despised than Art Modell in Ohio.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

"With the news that Wade/Bosh will land in Miami and LeBron likely staying in Cleveland or joining them in Miami,..."


Bro', the NBA/HIP HOP/NFL Universe will have it's center in Miami if L James comes here.

And I'd say the potential media swag is a large part of the reason King James might bolt blue collar Ohio for the tropical pleasures of South Florida.

Can you imagine the stars who'll grace Biscayne Bay come a Super Bowl in Miami time just to see Bosh, Wade, James with Pat "The Rat" Riley coaching?

And in Chicago, New York, Cleveland, and New Jersey, folks will be wonderin' why they even cared to bother recruiting three players who've obviously planned to be together all along.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Do we have mustard, onions and hot dog buns?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

and what breed of dog? Make mine a Hebrew National.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm going completely opposite of "greatest bust":
Can anyone, especially Redskin fans, name a quarterback that threw the ball better than Sonny? I've seen lots of qb's since the 70's, and I can't think of anyone who had the repertoire of throws, release, velocity, and accuracy of Sonny. Given that he did most of his damage before the rules changes, I can't think of any modern qb who could match him.

Posted by: pdfordiii | July 7, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Do we have mustard, onions and hot dog buns?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

and what breed of dog? Make mine a Hebrew National.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

NOt only do I frown on racist jokes, I'm not happy with religious jokes either. Consider yourself warned for Report Abuse violation.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Lebron is hot.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | July 7, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

NOt only do I frown on racist jokes, I'm not happy with religious jokes either. Consider yourself warned for Report Abuse violation.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Nathans, ballpark, Oscar Meyer, Esskay (sorry Cal) aren't in the same league as Hebrew National. You picking up what I'm laying down Professor?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

So is Riles going to make his protege step aside so he can return to the sideline?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Art Schlichter was a waste. At least Russell and Leaf played. It looks like the off the field problems prevented Schlichter from essentially even playing at all.

Posted by: pppp1 | July 7, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Gotta go with Da Marcus by a nose in a photo finish over ryan the relapser.

Contrary to one earlier poster's fogged recall, Leaf went number two to Peyton, DaMarcus was number one overall.

If you are picking a contender for biggest waster of team resources, i think you can take the raiders with their overall "body of work". Davis has proven to be a master of making imbecilic early draft pick moves. His latest masterpiece: DHB at number 7 in 2009.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | July 7, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Nathans, ballpark, Oscar Meyer, Esskay (sorry Cal) aren't in the same league as Hebrew National. You picking up what I'm laying down Professor?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse
Frankly, I don't give a damn, Dies.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

F his enablers


F his fans


F Lebron

Moe, cut the pipe dream. Lebron isn't going to Miami. To do so would suggest that he cares about winning first.

He doesn't.

He'll either stay in Cleveland or go to NY. Just as it was the whole time... the more things change, the more...

Biggest QB bust of all time? Well, what quantifies as a "Bust"?


Hype
Money Paid Out
Expectations
Draft Spot
Collegiate Career
Production


*if they're any others anyone can think of, add on...


Given all those factors, Jamarcus had all of those, so without a question the answer is Jamarcus Russell.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Red, you missed a good one yesterday young. So I'm telling you now getcho popcorn, pop a top and watch this Spain v. Germany joint son.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

So is Riles going to make his protege step aside so he can return to the sideline?

Posted by: learnedhand1

You bests believe it.


Riley wasn't going to stick around for that massacre the season before they drafted Beasley. He used the excuse that he was going on the "recruiting trail" to get out that nightmare, and admitted indirectly that he was too old (accomplished) to hang around for a rebuilding projects or dying seasons.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

To do so would suggest that he cares about winning first.

He doesn't.

BINGO....Lebron cares about Lebron, and Lebron's ability to earn money, and market Lebron. Nothing else.

Winning, isn't even in the top 10 things he wants in a new team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

And now for something completely different...wasn't Westbrook supposed to make a decision weeks ago? Anyone heard anything?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 7, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

lh, if nothing else I at least respected how everyone was into the World Cup and that soccer is a sport.


Not anymore.

These bamas BLATANTLY fall and flop to get a call... and not only just to get a call, but to gain some sort of time advantage because the clock won't stop while they're "attending" to the "injured" player on the field.

And don't even get me started on the officiating. These officials are instructed by their "home office" to purposely screw up at least one major call a game. I think the "home office" just does it for publicity.


I strongly disliked soccer before the World Cup. Now I hate it. F-ing WWE I'ntl

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

And now for something completely different...wasn't Westbrook supposed to make a decision weeks ago? Anyone heard anything?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 7, 2010 1:39 PM

From what B-Mitch said, he's waiting for the Skins to change the parameters of his contract offer from rushing laden incentives to receiving laden incentives. He wants the change because his role in the Skin's offense will be as the third down back.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

And now for something completely different...wasn't Westbrook supposed to make a decision weeks ago? Anyone heard anything?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 7, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

He really doesn't need to make a decision until the start of training camp. He's just waiting to see if he can get a better offer. I heard the Skins' contract emphasized incentives based on his rushing yards, and he wanted his bonuses to focus on receiving yards.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

And now for something completely different...wasn't Westbrook supposed to make a decision weeks ago? Anyone heard anything?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 7, 2010 1:39 PM

From what B-Mitch said, he's waiting for the Skins to change the parameters of his contract offer from rushing laden incentives to receiving laden incentives. He wants the change because his role in the Skin's offense will be as the third down back.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 1:47 PM

Hadn't heard that one, thanks TWISI.

Seems kinda odd they would structure his contract that way...they weren't really thinking he was gonna be an every down back, were they?

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 7, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I took Ryan Leaf... cause he was #1 & where would the Bolts be now if they had drafted Peyton Manning?
_________________________________

Ryan Leaf was actually #2 Peyton Manning was #1

Posted by: bhickson | July 7, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

What about GARY BEBAN the UCLA QB the 'Skins took when I was young (and dinosaurs roamed the earth)?

Posted by: chipshot410 | July 7, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Nathans, ballpark, Oscar Meyer, Esskay (sorry Cal) aren't in the same league as Hebrew National. You picking up what I'm laying down Professor?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse
Frankly, I don't give a damn, Dies.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So either you were not aware of the Hebrew National brand of hotdogs and took my joke as something racist or followed up my joke with racist/report abuse joke. Professor, I hope you are enjoying retirement and the next cookout you attend, pick up some Hebrew Nats.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Soccer is great... when they play it. That's only for 15 minutes out of the 90+...

The flopping is ridic. Since when is empathy a measurement for an official? The calls are atrocious. At least try to be consistent...And it's better not to win than to try to win and loose.

I truly believe FIFA is a tool of the NWO folks...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 7, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

1. July is to sports as George Clooney is to Batman.

d) Hebrew Nationals are the BOMB! (so good they made me say 'The BOMB!')

^) Champ Bailey will be a Redskin in 2011.

Book it!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 7, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I voted Jamarcus because of his physical condition in addition to immaturity. Ryan Leaf was a nutcase bust, but Jamarcus was mentally checked out, physically sloppy and a total waste. It all boiled down to effort - Jamarcus didn't even try, Leaf did despite sucking just as badly.

Jamarcus was also a #1 pick compared to Leaf at #2 - so that factors in too.

Posted by: MadeRED | July 7, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm down w/ the Esskay.

HebNats are more like a wurst than a hot dog. I like 'em, but it's not the same.

Esskays are the closest I've found to a vendor/ball park dog.

For a retail comparison see Arbetter's vs. Dogma in Miamuh...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 7, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Hebrew National is the best hotdog in the universe.

I like mine with coleslaw, chili and mustard.

Nathan's suck, BallPark is way overrated, Oscar Meyer is the hotdog equivalent of government cheese; and I don't even know why they make those red things that look like dog privates.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

HebNats are more like a wurst than a hot dog. I like 'em, but it's not the same.

Esskays are the closest I've found to a vendor/ball park dog.

For a retail comparison see Arbetter's vs. Dogma in Miamuh...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 7, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Hebrew National is more like a wurst?

Have you actually ever tried one?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I voted "other". While Leaf is most publicized, and maybe the biggest jackass.... he made some plays...some TDs, some big plays, etc. Jamarcus is even worse of a bust. But I remember in 1970 the Browns traded star receiver Paul Warfield to the Dolphins for the #1 pick. He and Leroy Kelly were major stars for the Browns and the NFL. They chose Mike Phipps out of Purdue. Recall him?? Of course not. He did squat!!! Horrible. And Warfield? Continued to be a star for the Dolphin Super Bowl teams. But this was before ESPN, Internet, daily talk radio, etc etc...so it's not as well known. It was BAD.... Although Pat Sullivan of Auburn in the 70s and Andre Ware more recently also sucked.

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | July 7, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Change my mind....

Lebron is going to the Brooklyn Nets!

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

USE NEXT YEARS 5TH IN THIS YEARS SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT FOR OUR FUTURE STARTING NOSE TACKLE.....

Joshua Price-Brent has "very good workout"
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 7, 2010 2:08 PM ET
Joshua Price-Brent, a defensive tackle from Illinois who is eligible for next week's supplemental draft, worked out for 18 teams today and was, according to one report, impressive.

Gil Brandt of NFL.com reports that Price-Brent had what was described as a very good workout.

To the extent that you can gauge a team's interest based on who they send to a workout, the 49ers, Packers, Saints and Lions appear particularly interested, as those four teams sent their personnel directors.

Brandt reports that Price-Brent was measured at 6-foot-1 ¾ and 321 pounds, ran the 40-yard dash in 5.38 seconds, did 22 reps of the 225-pound bench press and had a 29-inch vertical jump.

Price-Brent declared for the supplemental draft after Illinois declared him academically ineligible. He had previously been suspended by the team for a DUI.

The supplemental draft takes place on July 15.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't give a damn, Dies.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

So either you were not aware of the Hebrew National brand of hotdogs and took my joke as something racist or followed up my joke with racist/report abuse joke. Professor, I hope you are enjoying retirement and the next cookout you attend, pick up some Hebrew Nats.
Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse
Relax, Diesel. I understood your reference. That's why I started my response with "Frankly".

I was just trying to be consistent. Earlier, I "rebuked" 4th for his "racist" remarks when he asked moodlymoodlymoo about white and brown cows getting along. I've attached my earlier response:

2. Do White and brown cows get along?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's be careful about the racist comments, please. I may have to hit the Report Abuse button.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

And yes, diesel, I am enjoying retirement. I still maintain my tax practice, but have lots of free time after tax season.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

RedDmv/Beantown

"..Lebron cares about Lebron, and Lebron's ability to earn money, and market Lebron. Nothing else..."

That's why we have him going to Miami.

Winning would mean going to Chi-Town.

Money would mean becoming a Knick.

The media swag and attention that'll come from joining the Heat will only inflate an already overpuffed ego.

LeBron is going to Miami (pending a Michael Beasley trade.)

Deal with it!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Gotta throw my vote in for Hebrew National dogs. They're the best things to come off a grill in summertime, even burnt.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 7, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"....and I don't even know why they make those red things that look like dog privates."


Thanks for the awkward feelin': I had three of them for lunch.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

NYskinsfan2, I agree I think we tend to be biased towards the most recent busts.

The truth is, every one of the QBs on that list did significant harm to the teams that drafted them. But I'm not sure the teams are entirely without fault. Some of those guys might have been servicable QBs, maybe not stars--but when you're a terrible team, you usually get the top pick. And the terrible teams usually have fundamental problems (no running game, no O-line, or whatnot) that hinders the developmment of the QB.

Sanchez is a prime example of a guy who might be resembling a bust right now if his team wasn't able to carry him most of the year last year, protecting him and giving him a chance to develop. He has a 12-20 TD to INT ratio, and a 63 QB rating but managed to become an NFL All Rookie selection because his team was solid enough to carry him while he develops.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 7, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"Who was the biggest NFL QB bust (top 5 overall picks only)"


How do you get degrees of failure when it is an absolute all unto itself?

They all equally suck.

And you forgot Andre Ware, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Pat Ramsey.

The jury is out on Jason Campbell.

I'll throw in Tim Tebow's name just to be ahead of the game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll throw in Tim Tebow's name just to be ahead of the game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 overall picks only. Play by the rules kind sir.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 7, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

. Do White and brown cows get along?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's be careful about the racist comments, please. I may have to hit the Report Abuse button.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 10:33 AM

I missed this....but WTF??? I can't ask a cow if the white and brown cows get along? I just wanted to see if cows act like Americans....

Is that really worth reporting someone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

"The jury is out on Jason Campbell."

Campbell had a year statistically similar to McNabb's in 2009, while half of the Skins starting O-line, their star TE, top WR, and starting (and backup) RB watched from the sidelines. Campbell is very safe from the list.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 7, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

consider yourself reported you racist bama............


j/k...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I missed this....but WTF??? I can't ask a cow if the white and brown cows get along? I just wanted to see if cows act like Americans....

Is that really worth reporting someone?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I would guess it would depend, right?

There are plain brown cows, black cows, and back and white cows.

I'm sure Moodly probably knows of even more.

I've seen a burro hanging with Black Angus cows, what would that signify? Or does that even matter?

My guess is that a cow sees another cow and that is that. Or maybe they just see sex type.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 7, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Kobe doesn't put on a front that he's not an arrogant jerk. Lebron goes outta of his through posing and fronting like he isn't.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 11:00 AM

This should go in Sports Illustrated's "Rumblings of the Apocalypse." Red is upset because someone didn't give props to an arrogant jerk for the jerk's not making an effort at covering up the fact he's an arrogant jerk.

There's a saying out here in Hollywood that applies. "The key to success is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made."

I'll take an effort by someone to at least act civil over someone who just indulges in playing jerkface.

Posted by: TheCork | July 7, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Do White and brown cows get along?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's be careful about the racist comments, please. I may have to hit the Report Abuse button.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 10:33 AM

Two questions: How? Now?

Posted by: TheCork | July 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Changed my mind....

Book it!

Posted by: 4thFloor

fixed it for ya

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Gotta agree on the Hebrew Nationals. Grill them well and serve with mustard and kraut on a wheat roll. Might have to grill me a few tonight.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 7, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Jamarcus was also a #1 pick compared to Leaf at #2 - so that factors in too.

Posted by: MadeRED | July 7, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Leaf has to be the bigger bust because as good as Peyton was coming out of Tennessee, most people thought Leaf was more ready to play NOW coming out, and the Colts almost made that mistake. They were neck and neck heading to draft day, and the Chargers unfortunately got stuck with Leaf. The expectation for Leaf to play and see what he could do was much higher than seeing what Russell could do.
Also, there wasn't another QB coming out that year that Oakland was considering Russell, so no hype. The Jamarcus Russell 'bust debate' won't last long, people will forget about it soon enough, where as Manning vs. Leaf should last years and years down the road.
Also, that's like splitting hairs talking about how Russell was picked #1 and Leaf #2, they are only 1 pick apart, doesn't really matter.

Posted by: monk811 | July 7, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"Do White and brown cows get along?"


They do when the pigs try to stop them from selling hay in little clear bags.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 2:52 PM

Was he any good on the football field?

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

patrick ramsey and david carr do not belong on this list.

todd marinovich does.

conspiracy theory: skins sign westbrook, package portis and haynesworth (as rumored) for pick(s). johnson/westbrook carry the load. westbrook gets more carries, which explains incentives in contract offer.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

This should go in Sports Illustrated's "Rumblings of the Apocalypse." Red is upset because someone didn't give props to an arrogant jerk for the jerk's not making an effort at covering up the fact he's an arrogant jerk.

Posted by: TheCork


*Smoke-Dogg voice*

That's all righT!! Don't worry about what the truck I be doing.


Seriously, so Cork let me understand this correctly. You'll give props to a guy who is a phony, a fronter, over a guy who's genuine and as real as they get? Are you co-signing for MoFos who like to run confidence games? Really?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

conspiracy theory: skins sign westbrook, package portis and haynesworth (as rumored) for pick(s). johnson/westbrook carry the load. westbrook gets more carries, which explains incentives in contract offer.

Posted by: zatoichi77

Where is this rumored?


Link, please.

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Is that really worth reporting someone?

Posted by: 4thFloor


People get reported everyday, B.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, so Cork let me understand this correctly. You'll give props to a guy who is a phony, a fronter, over a guy who's genuine and as real as they get? Are you co-signing for MoFos who like to run confidence games? Really?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I think he is referring to the real world as well. Dont know if he is giving props or just stating the reality of the situation.

Most of the VP's in my company feel the majority of the decisions being made are complete trash

If they complain too loudly they are seen in a bad light and the company and the individual end up coming to an "agreement" to part ways.

The ones who smile and act like its all good, those people get promoted.

I never understood what my Dad meant until later in life when he kept telling me, "You've got to learn how to play the game, you might not like it, but you need to learn how to play the game."

Keeping it real in the corporate world gets you fired.

You can somewhat keep it real in the military, but that attitude can hardly roll over to the Civilian world without repercussions.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 7, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Moe, the Germans are going to have to pick it up if your prediction is to hold.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

reddmv

have a link, not the one i originally read though. think i read it on espn, potential deal was rumored to be with detroit. might make sense for other teams though; not saying i'm for or against, just sayin'.

the link that i'm posting is reaction to the rumor, but it's proof that it's out there. motivation for getting rid of portis was primarily financial, motivation for getting rid of haynesworth is... obvious.

http://sparkwords.com/sw/1826/NFL

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Keeping it real in the corporate world gets you fired.

You can somewhat keep it real in the military, but that attitude can hardly roll over to the Civilian world without repercussions.


Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 7, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

When keeping it real goes wrong

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Actually I take back my vote. Ryan Leaf is still the worst. JaMarucs at least had a somewhat decent year with 13 TD's and 8 Ints. A feat that would have made him a hall of fame QB in the 70's. Ryan Leaf on the other hand never had a QB rating over 57.7. JaMarcus got up to 77.1.

Also Ryan Leaf's off field troubles are a little worse then Russell's. Getting caught with Purple Drank and showing up to camp overweight isn't as bad as snapping at a reporter on camera and later being charged with "seven counts of obtaining a controlled substance by fraud and one count of delivery of a simulated controlled substance." That got Leaf 10 years probation

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 7, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that a cow sees another cow and that is that. Or maybe they just see sex type.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 7, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

That does it! I'm really really ready to Repoort Abuse now. If a cow likes another cow, it's gay. So now we've had racist, religious and sexual discussions on the blog. PLease try to tone it down.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

NFL Jersey sales from NFLShop.com, from April 1 through June 30:

#1 Tim Tebow
#2 Donovan McNabb
#3 Super Bowl MVP Drew Brees
#4 Peyton Manning
#5 Tony Romo
#6 Brett Favre


Interesting that the top 2 jersey sales are for players who haven't taken a single snap for their new teams yet.

And the top 6 are all QBs.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 7, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Two questions: How? Now?

Posted by: TheCork | July 7, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Brown? Cow?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

gator, I agree with "keeping it real/playing the front" in the corporate world even though I don't like it. But as you know, even in the Military you can only play it "real" until you reach a certain rank. Usually E-6/SSG, 'cause at that point you're just about "top" status... Officers? They are playing the PC game day one they receive commission. Might talk that "against the man" ish to enlisted soldiers but when they're around their officers buddies they're most definitely playing the game.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

reddmv,

btw, rumor is speculative. no one is saying that skins are actively packaging portis and haynesworth.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

So now we've had racist, religious and sexual discussions on the blog. PLease try to tone it down.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 4:19 PM |

It's July....WTF? The Only month there are no rules on RI.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

zatoichi77, thnxs for that link.


Still, I don't see either Portis or Haynesworth leaving.


They'll both be here September 12. Earning and burning. Snapping necks and cashing checks.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

reddmv,

btw, rumor is speculative. no one is saying that skins are actively packaging portis and haynesworth.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

The reference earlier at 4:12 pm was from two weeks ago. And it was just speculation from some Lion fans. NOt going to happen.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Corporate big wigs care about one thing: green. If you're a cog, keep your head down and your mouth closed. If you're a rainmaker, however, you can keep it as real as you like.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

It's July....WTF? The Only month there are no rules on RI.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Easy, 4th. That was all j/k.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The Octopus was correct again!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

lh,

"The tight end list is classic what have you done for me lately. Cooley spent last year injured and other players had great seasons. Cooley has to prove he can regain his pro-bowl form There is also reason to believe that he will lose some catches to the emerging Fred Davis.

Years of success does not translate into a better player next year.

Are two pro bowls better than 1 when the 1 was last year?"


That's srobert1117's post. I dare you to show me where Vernon Davis is mentioned anywhere in that post.

My request that you improve your reading comprehension skills stands.

And I'm out. Enjoy your day.

Posted by: brownwood26

I was referring to Davis and Celek being on the list and not Cooley. I don't think Davis will be the number 1 just that he will eat up some of Cooley's catches this year. If they are referring to potential for this year that is something you have factor in when evaluating Cooleys production.

I can understand how my post may have seemed like I was comparing Davis but I was not.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

So now we've had racist, religious and sexual discussions on the blog. PLease try to tone it down.

Posted by: frediefritz

I'm stiing here punishing some chocolate (No Romo) and I'm sorting the dark chocolate, the milk chocolate, and the white chocolate.


Guess which ones I'm eating. Yeah, the milk and white chocolate joints.

I don't like dark chocolate. NUFFIN DARK DAMMIT!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 4:34 PM

Yeah that really clears it up. When talking about two people with the same last name it's a good idea to include their first names as well.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm rollin with them Netherlands boyz... those Holland bamas... that AMSTERDAM squadron. They win, they gonna get a hi-hi, yes sir...


Someone pass me a Heineken.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

They'll both be here September 12. Earning and burning. Snapping necks and cashing checks.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:30 PM


I'm ready, I'm walkin' tall man!

It's the Catalina Wine Mixer!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm rollin with them Netherlands boyz... those Holland bamas... that AMSTERDAM squadron. They win, they gonna get a hi-hi, yes sir...


Someone pass me a Heineken.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:48 PM

They make the only lgiht beer in the world worth a damn. Amstel Light.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:48 PM

Surprising. They have notorious floppers.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I would bang Lindsay Lohan. Going to jail makes her hotter.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for clarifying srobert...still too early to start writing Cooley's eulogy though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Octopus was correct again!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse
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Good thing he's not a Colombian octopus. Pablo the Octopus would have been a goner.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 7, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

They'll both be here September 12. Earning and burning. Snapping necks and cashing checks.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:30 PM


I'm ready, I'm walkin' tall man!

It's the Catalina Wine Mixer!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I think I can help with this whole Pam/Pan dilemma

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

If I was LeBron & like others have said... If it was about just winning only... I would go to Chicago.

F - Carlos Boozer/David Lee
F - Lebron James
C - J Noah
G - Luol Deng/Ray Allen ?? (mid level exception)
G - Derrick Rose

I'm not sold on Miami being able to afford 3 max guys & then fill their roster with enough role players... Chicago already has Rose locked up for 1 or 2 more years before they pay him... You have a defensive minded center to protect your offensive post-up PF, steal Ray Allen from Boston for say 3 year mid-level & that would be the best starting five in the Eastern Conference.

I see word has it that LeBron is torn between Miami & Cleveland... but if you stay in Cleveland, you have a real shot at Chris Paul in trade before season, mid-season, or as a free agent next year.

I just really don't want the Wiz to have to climb that mountain if they are all on the same team in the same division, but they will not be better than the Lakers. Chicago as mentioned above would have a much better chance to win Championships.

.......................

I don't know why I always think Leaf was #1 to Manning #2... I still say Leaf because of his personal outburst & inability to handle the media... he was a terrible teammate.

Posted by: tony325 | July 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The cutting of Marques Hagans?

I know of an Elena Kagan, a Ronald Regan, a Minakem Began, a Kevin Fagan, the city of Hagen and a Fox News reporter with the first name Dagen.

Who the hell is Marques Hagans and why do we care that he will soon be delivering my overnight mail or slicing meat in a local deli?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 4:52 PM

I guess I can read and comprehend in context no less after all, huh?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The cutting of Marques Hagans?

I know of an Elena Kagan, a Ronald Regan, a Minakem Began, a Kevin Fagan, the city of Hagen and a Fox News reporter with the first name Dagen.

Who the hell is Marques Hagans and why do we care that he will soon be delivering my overnight mail or slicing meat in a local deli?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse
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Tell me you aren't a First Responder...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 7, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The cutting of Marques Hagans?

I know of an Elena Kagan, a Ronald Regan, a Minakem Began, a Kevin Fagan, the city of Hagen and a Fox News reporter with the first name Dagen.

Who the hell is Marques Hagans and why do we care that he will soon be delivering my overnight mail or slicing meat in a local deli?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 7, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse
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Tell me you aren't a First Responder...

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 7, 2010 4:59 PM

Only when your mother calls me.....

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 7, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Minakem Began": thems some phunny phonics.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually I take back my vote. Ryan Leaf is still the worst. JaMarucs at least had a somewhat decent year with 13 TD's and 8 Ints. A feat that would have made him a hall of fame QB in the 70's. Ryan Leaf on the other hand never had a QB rating over 57.7. JaMarcus got up to 77.1.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 7, 2010 4:15 PM


Russell still gets the nod because he was the top pick, IMO...when you take a guy 1st overall, you're saying he's the best player in that draft. With Leaf, it was an either/or proposition with Manning and they were at the mercy of the Colts decision.

And I don't care what Russell did before...this year he threw 3 TDs to 11 INTs and only completed 48% of his passes. Most QBs can do better left-handed...

Plus Russell is done. I'd be shocked if he wears an NFL uniform ever again. Meanwhile, Leaf got another shot or two after his release from SD.

Draft position and guaranteed money alone makes Russell the slight "winner" over Leaf in my book.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I would bang Lindsay Lohan. Going to jail makes her hotter.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 7, 2010 4:51 PM

Does the Pope sh!t in the woods? Your sexuality would be in question if the answer was no.

Not that there is anything wrong with that...yada, yada...these pretzels are making me thirsty.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

p1, I think the Knicks are looking to get Ray Felton to run the point. Amare needs a classic PG not a ball dominator like Gil. Plus, I can't imagine the Knicks returning to cap hell for a guy who hasn't really played for 3 years.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse


Knicks could get both. They won't have to go into salary cap hell. The Wiz will eat a portion of Gil's contract.

Do you seriously think the Knicks come out of this huge FA summer merely with Raymond Felton and Amare Stoudemire??

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"...the Germans are going to have to pick it up if your prediction is to hold."

You must understand that most of what I post never happens.

And Rotfrau says Germany's faults can be blamed on the black cows on it's otherwise superior team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 5:09 PM

It's not over yet. Lebron could very well be on the way to the Knicks. You gotta wonder why he's leaving his hometown to have his press conference in Greenwich?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Guess which ones I'm eating. Yeah, the milk and white chocolate joints.

I don't like dark chocolate. NUFFIN DARK DAMMIT!

Posted by: RedDMV

got a whole building of chocolate for you --

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/54267589

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It's not over yet. Lebron could very well be on the way to the Knicks. You gotta wonder why he's leaving his hometown to have his press conference in Greenwich.
Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse


Maybe Gil goes to NYC even if they sign LeBron. It would definitely make the Knicks less desperate, but they still need to add pieces.

If the Wiz eat a portion of Gil's contract, does that count toward our cap or do we just send them cash outright.

I just want to cut this dead-weight and maybe make some room for Carmelo Anthony next year.

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"I would bang Lindsay Lohan. Going to jail makes her hotter."

It's my understanding that several female inmates are licking their chops at the thought of Lindey Lohan coming to their prison.

(INSERT rimshot audio and bad pun groans and hysterical feminist shouts of "You are so insensitive, you dumb-azzed brown cow!")

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Germans got handled. I didn't realize they were going to be without Muller this game - that really changed the dynamic in the midfield.

But I gave the nod to Spain in this game b/c of their more veteran backline...lo and behold? Puyol comes up with a big-time goal on a corner...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Carmelo's signing an extension with Denver. Like Durant he's not taking a chance on having to take less money because of the new CBA. But you're welcome to keep up the wishful thinking.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

But I gave the nod to Spain in this game b/c of their more veteran backline...lo and behold? Puyol comes up with a big-time goal on a corner...

Posted by: p1funk | July 7, 2010 5:20 PM |

Spain has a fabulous passing game. I sometimes think they are so in love with it that they pass up (pun intended) a shot on goal just so they can make another pass.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I think Peyton Manning is the worst bust of all time. Now if you looking for the best bust of all time, I'd suggest a classic Elle McPherson

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

So when the CBA is renegotiated is the NFL going to ask the player's assn to approve two more games (to 18) and a lower revenue share? That ought to put a big smile on their face, shouldn't it! Peeps are always on the lookout for opportunities to do more work for less pay.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

So what's up Red? No apology for jumping on me about the Kobe/Lebron stuff when you were wrong? Funny how you always call for people's me culpa's but never have one ready yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"I would bang Lindsay Lohan. Going to jail makes her hotter."

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 5:18 PM |

She's a little long in the toof to be jail bate isn't she?

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The plot thickens. Boozer agrees to sign with Bulls. Given his history, however, don't believe it until he actually signs the contract.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Its hot outside I saw a dog chasing a cat and both of them were walking.

Posted by: smittdiddy | July 7, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Guess which ones I'm eating. Yeah, the milk and white chocolate joints.

I don't like dark chocolate. NUFFIN DARK DAMMIT!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Are you baiting me, Red? It's good to have you back. It's been rather quiet since you've been roaming all over the south.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

She's a little long in the toof to be jail bate isn't she?

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou

Not in my jail, ummm errr dreams, ummm err, ummm ahhh ... this is going nowhere

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Someone pass me a Heineken.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

That was my drink of choice, until I got a kegerator at my beach house. Now it's nothing but IPA! I guess now I'm going racist!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"..Lebron cares about Lebron, and Lebron's ability to earn money, and market Lebron. Nothing else..."

That's why we have him going to Miami.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 2:57 PM |

That doesn't make sense. If he really is into marketing LeBron you couldn't even put Miami in the same sentence with New York. Which by the way includeth the Netz after they get out of jail in Newark in two years and decamp to Crooklyn.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

reddmv

better link.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/13286/nfc-north-weekend-mailbag-25

still all speculative. this is what the lions' fans we're responding to. judging from the link i posted earlier, they seem to be nearly unanimous in not wanting haynesworth anywhere near detroit's home locker room.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess I can read and comprehend in context no less after all, huh?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 4:58 PM


The sun shines on a dog's ass some days...ANYONE can win the lottery.

Quick ih8 and Red...what movie is that from?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The sun shines on a dog's ass some days...ANYONE can win the lottery.

Quick ih8 and Red...what movie is that from?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:05 PM
__________________________________

google makes that game too easy, but that's a good one.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

better link.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/13286/nfc-north-weekend-mailbag-25

still all speculative. this is what the lions' fans we're responding to. judging from the link i posted earlier, they seem to be nearly unanimous in not wanting haynesworth anywhere near detroit's home locker room.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

And they won't be getting him either. He'll be in training camp on 7/29. Book it.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

They'll both be here September 12. Earning and burning. Snapping necks and cashing checks.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 4:30 PM |

It's a good thing they play on opposite sides of the ball. Otherwise there could be serious fights over who gets to suck on the oxygen tank. Since CP is a tad samller than AH he would have to enlist the aid of his good buddy Mike Sellers if fisticuffs were to break out.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

And they won't be getting him either. He'll be in training camp on 7/29. Book it.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 6:10 PM

you're right. lions don't want haynesworth's poisonous influence near suh, and they've stated so publicly.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The sun shines on a dog's ass some days...ANYONE can win the lottery.

Quick ih8 and Red...what movie is that from?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:05 PM

I swear I'm just reading this:


What is 'White Men Can't Jump'?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Ugh... I didn't think it was possible to like LeBron James less than I already did (as a DC-sports sour grapes type person who doesn't really care for the NBA all that much to begin with), but this nonsense about an hour-long television event to announce His Holiness' decision about where to play basketball next season is really pissing me off.

Mostly because this kind of arrogance that transcends anything having to do with what happens on the field of play (where, y'know, LeBron ain't won diddly poo) isn't where big-time sports is going, it's where big-time sports already is.

Sheesh... F LeBron James and F everybody paying attention to LeBron James.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 7, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Albert will be in camp on 7/29, unless the weather is too hot. After all, when he negotiated his deal, no one told him the weather would be hot in DC in July and because management lied to him, he'll want a trade.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I knew you'd know that one Red, well done sir.

Have you seen that movie recently? Completely awful. It's amazing the stuff we watch as kids...I swear I watched that movie every day about 15 years ago while I was on summer vacation. Now I groan at the very sight of it.

Basketball, boobs, and mama jokes...no not a July day on RI. It's basically the what made up the foundation of "White Men Can't Jump."

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Basketball, boobs, and mama jokes...no not a July day on RI. It's basically the what made up the foundation of "White Men Can't Jump."

Posted by: brownwood26

Its amazing the level of insight on this board. Irresistible, I tell ya.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The sun shines on a dog's ass some days...ANYONE can win the lottery.

Quick ih8 and Red...what movie is that from?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:05 PM |

I would have guessed Turner & Hootch or K-9.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Nate. He's no Haynesworth, but LeBron is certainly showing us what's wrong with sports...and particularly, the media's coverage of sports.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

So fritz, what you tryna say? The board was a better place with out me?

Yeah, maybe you're right. Think of me as that undesirable neighbor that's gonna bring down the property value with my loud music, BBQs in December at 8PM, and other overall Negroisms.


scamp, No way I'll ever apologize to you. Ever. Even if there's a fire!


Zeke, how and why did you find that pic?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

scamp, No way I'll ever apologize to you. Ever. Even if there's a fire!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 6:42 PM

Lol, no prob. Really didn't expect it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

still too early to start writing Cooley's eulogy though...

Posted by: brownwood26

Not writing him off just giving some reasons he may have been left off of the list. Cooley not having to play as many snaps because of Davis does not mean he is not playing at a really high level just means his stats may be lower than in the past.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Think of me as that undesirable neighbor that's gonna bring down the property value with my loud music, BBQs in December at 8PM, and other overall Negroisms.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 6:42 PM |

Don't forget property theft, chaos in the school system and unmowed lawns.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is wasting even more time with their "NFL Power Rankings" (the Skins are at #18). The two highlights they showed? McNabb throwing in minicamp and the "Swinging Gate" play from the Giants game. Ugh.

Damn, I can't wait for this season to start....

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

brown, can't help but to see that movie. It comes on cable frequently, but I'll still tune in. If nothing else but to give me some nostalgia and a few gigs.

You said: "LeBron is certainly showing us what's wrong with sports...and particularly, the media's coverage of sports."

And that is why I do not care for Lebron and take ultimate joy in seeing him FAIL each and every time.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Not writing him off just giving some reasons he may have been left off of the list. Cooley not having to play as many snaps because of Davis does not mean he is not playing at a really high level just means his stats may be lower than in the past.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 6:48 PM

cooley and davis will both see the ball a lot this year, unless kelly or thomas step up. and i'm hoping they do.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

but this nonsense about an hour-long television event to announce His Holiness' decision about where to play basketball next season is really pissing me off.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 7, 2010 6:24 PM |

It's in a league with Dog Killer charging admission to his 30th BP, ain't it? But don't neglect to mention that all $$$ earned are going to be donated to a chib's charity org.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

How about we evaluate Chris Cooley and Fred Davis when we see them play in the Shanahans' offense, you know, with Donovan McNabb throwing the ball?

After one or two games we should be able to decide whether this new regime is an abject failure or not, and finally determine whether it's worth keeping either of these tight ends versus cutting them mid-season.

I couldn't care less about their "stats" relative to one another or relative to other tight ends in the league. I care about their blocking, catching "catchable" balls, and being reliable contributors to a friggin' consistently competent, effective offense that does things like (a) run the ball, (2) sustain drives in all four quarters, (%) score touchdowns, (5) get a critical first down when we gotta have it, and (f) together with the other two units manage to outscore the opponent over the course of the game.

That's not too much to ask, is it?

Wait, what were we talking about? Oh yeah, zeke's amazing photo gallery. I believe zeke has traveled the entire world and has pictures of everything in it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 7, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

dude scamp, real men don't apologize..... sike naw, from how I understand it you're a from Ohio... Lebron is from Ohio... kinda expect you yo have his back... all I was saying is don't think Lebron is not Robin Hood out this mutha... He's phony as they get.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

After one or two games we should be able to decide whether this new regime is an abject failure or not, and finally determine whether it's worth keeping either of these tight ends versus cutting them mid-season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 7, 2010 6:57 PM

wait... what?

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

So fritz, what you tryna say? The board was a better place with out me?

Yeah, maybe you're right. Think of me as that undesirable neighbor that's gonna bring down the property value with my loud music, BBQs in December at 8PM, and other overall Negroisms.

scamp, No way I'll ever apologize to you. Ever. Even if there's a fire!

Zeke, how and why did you find that pic?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse
NOt at all, Red. All of a sudden, there is more vitality to the postings. Your style is dramatically different than mine, but I enjoy hearing from you.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

srobert, I said all along I get why Cooley wasn't on the list...I just didn't like that he didn't get an honorable mention when guys like Brent Celek get one. I think he's done enough in his career to get at least that.

I don't doubt that Davis will get more touches...he's earned it. With the lack of a top notch WR, I don't think it's out of the question for Cooley to still get 50+ catches...which is still quite good for a TE.

This reminds me of the Portis/Betts scenario of '06...Portis goes down in the 7th game of the year, Betts comes in for the balance of the year and plays great. That's all well and good...but Portis is the established guy (and is on the books for big money) so he comes back the following year as the #1 guy.

Now, I still think Betts was underutilized here so I'm hoping Shanahan doesn't make that mistake with Davis. However, I don't think the pecking order of Cooley #1 and Davis #2 changes unless Cooley gets hurt again or Davis dramatically outplays Cooley in camp. That's the only thing I've been debating...I just don't believe that anyone can say that right now, on July 7th, 2010 that Davis is better than Cooley. CC didn't suffer such a devastating injury that we should believe that he's done or that he's lost so much that he can't outplay Davis.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, how and why did you find that pic?

Posted by: RedDMV

Was there when it was taken ... by the GF. Its at a famous chocolate shop in Berlin, the truffle bar is about 60 feet long. If you look at some other pics in that sequence, you'll see a bombed out church and the Titanic, also in chocolate.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget property theft, chaos in the school system and unmowed lawns.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou

*Zing*


Can't forget our notorious loud conversations and "block posting".

Why do I have the sudden urge to download some Tony! Toni! Tone!?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26

Agreed with everything you said. Still see Cooley getting 50+. I don't think Davis is any better than Cooley. I do understand why Vernon Davis and Celek were on the list and Cooley wasn't. To me it makes sense because they played at a pro bowl level and Cooley was out with an injury. This is good for the Redskins because Cooley should have a chip on his shoulder that he is the forgotten TE in the league.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Anointing yourself King before winning a championship is beyond the pale.

As much as I loathe Kobe Brainain't, Lebonehead James is waaaay more annoying to me.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

for those of you following the teenage exploits of the "barefoot bandit" Colton Harris-Moore, who has now made it from Bloomington, Indiana to the Bahamas in yet another stolen plane, here is what his mother has to say...

"The furthest he gets from the U.S., the better," she said from her home on Camano Island in Washington state. "I'm glad he's able to enjoy beautiful islands, but they extradite. It doesn't help matters at all."

"Colt is not to be flying a single engine-plane," she insisted, saying she was worried about engine failure. "When I heard that, that just upset me. The rules are he carries a parachute with him and he takes two-engine planes. Tell him he needs to call me."

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 7, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

German chocolate makes American chocolate taste like brown wax.
There, I said it. Let the blog war begin.

Posted by: mack1 | July 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

and David Stern is The Mob with a capital "M."

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

moo, how was life in hell?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 7:22 PM

excellent... we just went down for the day. water is still very high and cold with wet spring this year, air temps in the canyon are now getting into the 90s, might hit low 100s soon.

family visiting from east coast next week, we're taking them for river fun on the Salmon then hot springs outside McCall. should make a big impression with the nieces and nephew.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 7, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

and Spain just made Germany look silly.

Classic case of one team wanting it more than their opponent.

and remarkable passing...

Other than that, it looked like somebody gave the Germans some bad sh!t to smoke before the big match.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Hell's Canyon!!!

Hehaw!!!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Hell's Canyon may be a scenic river gorge in western Idaho...

but it's also a place that runs through my mind.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

moo, been on both Salmon's rafting, but only have pics of the Cal Salmon online. Love the hot springs on yours. Flew into McCall from the river.

The river runway at takeout was classic. Shape of a boomerang, the grass had been freshly cut.

Real kiss the ground stuff when you land safely!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

zatoichi, some of what I wrote was tinged with sarcasm.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 7, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Can't forget our notorious loud conversations and "block posting".

Why do I have the sudden urge to download some Tony! Toni! Tone!?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 7:11 PM |

Hey, the others we can overlook, but not the unmowed lawns. Crissakes, there is nothing more un-American than an unmowed lawn. I turn the floor over to scampbell1975 to deliver a stemwinder on how un-American an ummowed lawn is. He will describe how it is the early marker on a highway to Hell that passes through Communism, fudge packing, pedophilia (mebbe even PEDsophilia), and that favorite leftie sport, futbol!

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Everyone knows grass is whack and that lawns should be contraband.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 7:41 PM

still haven't done the Middle Fork, sounds like that's what you're talking about?

spent a bunch of time poking around the "No Return" wilderness area on other business, but haven't rafted there. did drink whiskey with illegal gold panners though.

kids are too young and hard to steal time away, although it's on my "to do" list.... need to clean gutters and fix the drip irrigation first.

NoCal Salmon looks nice... shorter but pretty intense.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 7, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

... the grass had been freshly cut.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 7:41 PM |

Yay!!!

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

and Spain just made Germany look silly.

Classic case of one team wanting it more than their opponent.

and remarkable passing...

Other than that, it looked like somebody gave the Germans some bad sh!t to smoke before the big match.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

that and the fact that Tomas Mueller was missing from a young German team because of a bogus call. Go Dutch!!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 7, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

... did drink whiskey with illegal gold panners though.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 7, 2010 7:57 PM |

If you want a bit more excitement you can go further north and snort crystal meth with skinheads from the Aryan Nation.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

NoCal Salmon looks nice... shorter but pretty intense.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo

less water, too. The drive in is pretty interesting. 1 lane (barely) w/ 200 ft cliff and blind curves.

My fav pic is from above, between two of the rapids.

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/79445126

Had a great time on the River of No Return. Fun to look at the ruts from airplane landings/takeoffs. Some made it with very little room to spare. Not too intense rafting for kids. Had a friend do it couple years ago with an 8 year old ... and had a blast.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 7, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

If that list had appeared a year ago, Vince Young would have been on it.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"What is 'White Men Can't Jump'?"


It's the movie sequel to "Black Men Don't Shoot Straight".

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

dude scamp, real men don't apologize..... sike naw, from how I understand it you're a from Ohio... Lebron is from Ohio... kinda expect you yo have his back... all I was saying is don't think Lebron is not Robin Hood out this mutha... He's phony as they get.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Real men DO apologize when they're man enough to admit they're wrong. I'm not from Ohio originally and have no allegiance to that place. I'm from Fairfax originally and have lived just about every damn where in this country. I don't have his back, my only thought really was that at least he's doing something decent with some of his loot. I think he's as arrogant as they come but I also understand that it's par for the course for many athletes. So we agree on the overall point...scary.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

dude scamp, real men don't apologize..... sike naw, from how I understand it you're a from Ohio... Lebron is from Ohio... kinda expect you yo have his back... all I was saying is don't think Lebron is not Robin Hood out this mutha... He's phony as they get.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 7:00 PM

Real men DO apologize when they're man enough to admit they're wrong. I'm not from Ohio originally and have no allegiance to that place. I'm from Fairfax originally and have lived just about every damn where in this country. I don't have his back, my only thought really was that at least he's doing something decent with some of his loot. I think he's as arrogant as they come but I also understand that it's par for the course for many athletes. So we agree on the overall point...scary.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans have such short memories:
Health Shuler- how many games did he start for us? First round draft pick? And when you watched, you realized he'd never be able to read a defense.

Posted by: kirk8 | July 7, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem with him trying to win as much as possible - that's good. I happen to think he cares far more about himself and marketing the "LeBron" brand than actually winning, but that's another topic entirely. My problem with this is the subtle implication that the self-proclaimed "King" is somehow entitled to more titles than anyone has won, in any sport, since the '60s Celtics (gag). All good players talk about wanting to win championships, but you won't hear any of them talk like that.

You're from Ohio, right? Are you a fan of the Cavs? How do the people of Ohio feel about him? Personally, I'm sick of him. I don't believe that his game will translate very well when he gets older and starts to lose a step, so I think his "window" is smaller than he thinks it is. Thankfully.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 10:46 AM |

Sorry I missed this post until I went back to review some stuff. To answer your question. I did live in Ohio and they love that frickin' guy. You think Cleveland has had any real shot at winning anything in any sport until that guy came along? He does a lot of good stuff for a really sh!tty city and state. Am I a Cavs fan? I'm not really a fan of any basketball team. I like New Orleans and Chicago. I watch Lebron, Kobe, and Wade because they can put on a show but I'm not a huge basketball fan. As far as how his game will translate? He'll be fine. Dude is as strong as a horse and his shot gets better all the time. If he would keep his mouth shut until he actually won something I would be a fan but he talks too much for my taste. I don't hate 'em though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:00 PM |

Dude, where is your "unmowed" lawn rant? See

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 7:51 PM |

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Of course he wants to win as much as possible as quickly as possible. Wouldn't be much of a competitor if he didn't.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 10:37 AM


Great competitor: quietly sets goals for greatness and works tirelessly to make them a reality

Great egomaniac: tells everyone who will listen that he wants a ridiculous amount of success and falls short because he set the bar too high publicly.

LeBron is the latter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:52 AM

I don't think the 2 are mutually exclusive. I think you can be both.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Even with Mueller, the Germans would have been outmatched.

The score to that game could have easily been 4-0.

The Dutch don't stand a chance against the fleet footed Spaniards.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 7, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Playing by the rules of a Top 5 pick the list is incomplete without the following names.

Where is Rick Mirer, Joey Harrington, & David Carr.

Regardless the runaway winner is Russell.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

That and a donation to Boys and Girls Club is a tax break for someone, either him personally or some corporate entity controlled by him. He's certainly not altruistically doing anything for "da kidz".

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 11:08 AM |

I bet the Boys and Girls Club doesn't give a sh!t where it came from and who gets the tax break. Ego induced or not I bet they love that donation.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:00 PM |

Dude, where is your "unmowed" lawn rant? See

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 7:51 PM |

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 9:08 PM |

Well, I prefer hardwood floors personally but I'll take a landing strip.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

There's always snubs when rosters are created for the MLB all-star game. But how ridiculous is this - the Sandy Eggo Padres have a league-best team ERA of 3.09 (most teams don't even have any sp with that low an ERA) and there is no Padre pitcher on the NL roster. Amazing.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, this is the part of the offseason that is so ssslllooowwww that I thought I would return to an oldie but goodie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO7EFfdX8Rs&feature=related

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"What is 'White Men Can't Jump'?"

It's the movie sequel to "Black Men Don't Shoot Straight".

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 8:54 PM |

I thought it was "The Gang" that couldn't shoot straight. Now if that gang was the 18th Street gang then you're barking up the wrong tree because they are a brutal Latino street gang. If a member doesn't follow the gang's rules he gets an 18 second beating - or worse.

Posted by: ItsMeAndYou | July 7, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the leBron talk.

I don't think he wants to be in Oh-dayymmmynutsiscold-io.

If he was from somewhere bigger, more "marketable" is the word thrown around; then ya he'd stay. Big market; chicago, la, ny, if he went there first he woulda stayed.

He can make all the money if the world but he still wants to leave home.

No clue where he picks tho.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 7, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the leBron talk.

I don't think he wants to be in Oh-dayymmmynutsiscold-io.

If he was from somewhere bigger, more "marketable" is the word thrown around; then ya he'd stay. Big market; chicago, la, ny, if he went there first he woulda stayed.

He can make all the money if the world but he still wants to leave home.

No clue where he picks tho.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 7, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh and uh I don't see cleatsworth or portis leaving.......

Before the beggining of the season that is..

I think we keep them around for injury ammo...

Someone goes down (sad but common, see us last yr), then a starter is needed to fill a roll. Then we may get some value for these guys.

Who knows fat man could come in learn something n own nfc o lineman. Have portis bounce back from injury rip 1300 yds.

I might be on a good one tho, cali grade *)

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 7, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

For all of the people concerned about the redskins receiving corps does anyone think that a scheme change and better play calling might help the receiving corps? Look at what shanahan got out of Eddie Royal then little Billechick comes in and cant seem to get him the for 16 games. I just have a feeling that someone already on the team is going to breakout due to the changes at ashburn. Just my opinion what do you guys think? By the way barring injury cooley and davis will be the best thing going this yr in the nfc and perhaps the entire league,

Posted by: wattsicon | July 7, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

For all of the people concerned about the redskins receiving corps does anyone think that a scheme change and better play calling might help the receiving corps? Look at what shanahan got out of Eddie Royal then little Billechick comes in and cant seem to get him the for 16 games. I just have a feeling that someone already on the team is going to breakout due to the changes at ashburn. Just my opinion what do you guys think? By the way barring injury cooley and davis will be the best thing going this yr in the nfc and perhaps the entire league,

Posted by: wattsicon | July 7, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

For all of the people concerned about the redskins receiving corps does anyone think that a scheme change and better play calling might help the receiving corps? Look at what shanahan got out of Eddie Royal then little Billechick comes in and cant seem to get him the for 16 games. I just have a feeling that someone already on the team is going to breakout due to the changes at ashburn. Just my opinion what do you guys think? By the way barring injury cooley and davis will be the best thing going this yr in the nfc and perhaps the entire league.

Posted by: wattsicon | July 7, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

"There have been free agents I haven't signed because I thought job security would kill them," Shanahan told Sports Illustrated. "The most important things I look for, after I determine whether a guy can play, is character and whether he'll put the team first. I could pay John Elway or Terrell Davis 10 bucks or $15 million, and they'd be the same guys."

This is the quote that stuck out to me and the only FA that's exceeded expectations that I can remember in the last 10 years has been Fletch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

What self-respecting Redskin fan votes for anyone but Heath Shuler?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 7, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

What self-respecting Redskin fan votes for anyone but Heath Shuler?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 7, 2010 10:58 PM

He's a better politician and businessman than he was a football player. Actually I watched him as a Vol and thought to myself this guy has bust written all over him. He was small, had a below avg arm, and didn't play in a pro-style Offense. A poor man's Colt McCoy drafted with the 3rd overall pick..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse


For all of the people concerned about the redskins receiving corps does anyone think that a scheme change and better play calling might help the receiving corps? Look at what shanahan got out of Eddie Royal then little Billechick comes in and cant seem to get him the for 16 games. I just have a feeling that someone already on the team is going to breakout due to the changes at ashburn. Just my opinion what do you guys think? By the way barring injury cooley and davis will be the best thing going this yr in the nfc and perhaps the entire league,

Posted by: wattsicon | July 7, 2010 10:43 P

royal comparison is unfair. shanahan drafted him and knew he would be special. and mcdoofus is... mcdoofus.

i believe shanahan will take a long look at kelly and thomas this year. he will look at how they contribute in the running game as well as in the passing game. they have the physical tools, so he will give them the opportunity, but this will be a make or break year for each of them.

shanahan loves to use his tight ends so cooley and davis will benefit, particularly since the skins don't have a back who excels in catching the ball out of the backfield, which means the te's will get some looks on third down and in the red zone. he likes throwing to the fb in the red zone, so morris will get his touches as well, assuming he makes the team.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | July 7, 2010 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Let's not forget guys shannahan was around when these guys were drafted.... we didn't hear anything about how upset he was missin out of them like we did Jackson.....

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 8, 2010 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Great competitor: quietly sets goals for greatness and works tirelessly to make them a reality

Great egomaniac: tells everyone who will listen that he wants a ridiculous amount of success and falls short because he set the bar too high publicly.

LeBron is the latter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:52 AM


I don't think the 2 are mutually exclusive. I think you can be both.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 9:09 PM


Um, I have a hard time seeing how publicly saying that you expect (not hope..."expect") to win multiple titles and "quietly setting goals for greatness" can be mutually exclusive. Seems to me you're either doing one or the other...

TWISI...great article, man. Makes me 100 times more confident in the kinda coach we're getting in Shanahan. We may or may not get a SB win outta the deal, but I'm pretty confident we'll at least get close.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 5:28 AM | Report abuse

For all of the people concerned about the redskins receiving corps does anyone think that a scheme change and better play calling might help the receiving corps? Look at what shanahan got out of Eddie Royal then little Billechick comes in and cant seem to get him the for 16 games. I just have a feeling that someone already on the team is going to breakout due to the changes at ashburn. Just my opinion what do you guys think? By the way barring injury cooley and davis will be the best thing going this yr in the nfc and perhaps the entire league.

Posted by: wattsicon

Lets not forget that Royal had Orton throwing to him last and he has a wet noodle for an arm. Cutler was 2nd in the NFL in attempts Royal's rookie year.

I realized you were probably drunk when you said that Cooley and Davis were going to be the best thing in the entire NFL. I can't imagine what you were thinking other than TE tandem.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 8, 2010 5:45 AM | Report abuse

For my fellow LeBron haters, here's a great column from Yahoo:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebrondecision070710

Here's my favorite part..."Whatever happens, James and the television network will hide behind some money going to the Boys & Girls Clubs. But this isn’t about kids and sports, and it sure isn’t about the credibility that comes with winning championships. Something’s changed here, and LeBron James has gone a long way to devaluing winning and losing in the NBA. David Stern has long pushed the individual over team, marketed showy over substance, and LeBron James represents the manifestation of it all."

Amen to that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

From Matt Mosley's mailbag on ESPN.com:

"This one comes to us from longtime reader Dan from Lexington Park, Md. Like many Redskins fans, he's worried about this Albert Haynesworth situation:

How does Mike Shanahan in his first season as head coach who has gained the respect and support of his team handle the Haynesworth situation? Tell A.H. to stay home from training camp? Bring him in but isolate him on a separate practice field, minimize his contact with the rest of the team, and have him run sprints and watch film while the others are practicing? Release him outright? Sue him for the $21 million and have a Special Master settle the matter? (BTW, what team would trade for this guy? Few if any teams would or could offer anything remotely near Haynesworth's value.

Mosley: If the Redskins haven't traded or released Haynesworth by the start of camp, I think your first thought might be the best. Shanahan is not going to let Haynesworth show up and undermine all the things he's accomplished this offseason. It's hard for me to imagine these two men compromising at this point. And good luck on the Redskins suing for the signing bonus. The Special Master or arbitrator in these cases tends to side with the players' union. Just ask the Miami Dolphins about this topic.

Haynesworth may have infuriated Redskins fans, but it will be difficult to recoup money that's already been guaranteed to the player. But just to make sure he doesn't lose money, Haynesworth is willing to show up for the start of training camp. Shanahan doesn't want this guy anywhere near Ashburn, Va. This should be interesting. And I'm planning on being at Redskins camp that first week to document all the action. Dan, thanks for participating in the mailbag session."

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

This quote from Larry Weisman on Redskins.com gives me hope for this season:

"Shanahan’s offenses in Denver, from 1995-2008, ranked in the top 12 in rushing every season. They were in the top five nine times. The Broncos led the NFL once, finished second three times and third once."

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins__O_Line_Is_On_the_Offensive_128263.jsp

Gotta be music to McNabb's ears...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

brown, good stuff...can't wait to see this offense....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Man, it's hard sitting through one of Weisman's articles, dude talks a lot! He is very detailed and organized. Have you ever seen him do the Redskins nightly news on Redskins.com? Dude should stick to writing articles, not reading in front of a camera.

Posted by: monk811 | July 8, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I know it Greg...it'll be good to finally see an NFL caliber offense wearing burgundy and gold for a change.

Is it July 29th yet?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

monk, I haven't seen Weisman on TV but I remember when he used to do a lot of appearances on ESPN 980 for The Sports Reporters. Always liked him on the radio.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"Yes, Hebrew National is the best hotdog in the universe....Nathan's suck, BallPark is way overrated, Oscar Meyer is the hotdog equivalent of government cheese; and I don't even know why they make those red things that look like dog privates.Posted by: iH8dallas"

Don't they sell Papaya King at one of the NY ballparks?

But the best I had was at a ball park in Arizona -- the Sonoran version. It's wrapped in Mesquite-smoked bacon with chopped tomatoes, onions, shredded yellow or cotijo cheese, tomatillo salsa or red chili sauce, pinto beans, mayonnaise, ketchup and/or mustard, and served on bread with a fresh-roasted chili.

That's a meal, buddy.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

As NY Times food writer Mark Bittman said of the bacon-wrapped hot dog: "You know you want one."

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

"LeBron James planning to join Miami Heat, according to ESPN report"

And all across South Florida, pro basketball fans, media types, and bandwagon Heat followers are laughing Bela Lugosi style:

"BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHABWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

But the best I had was at a ball park in Arizona -- the Sonoran version. It's wrapped in Mesquite-smoked bacon with chopped tomatoes, onions, shredded yellow or cotijo cheese, tomatillo salsa or red chili sauce, pinto beans, mayonnaise, ketchup and/or mustard, and served on bread with a fresh-roasted chili.

That's a meal, buddy.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Is that the Latino hotdog? It sounds kind of TexMex. I haven't seen one here in NC, but that does sound dank.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"What self-respecting Redskin fan votes for anyone but Heath Shuler?"


I'll admit to falling for Heath Shuler.

(Admit it, a bunch of folks did.)

At the time, I thought he'd be a decent pro quarterback.

Then he failed like Forrest Gump taking a math test.

In hindsight, I now realize it was just another example of my showing that at the time, I didn't know anything.

And I know even less now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

"What self-respecting Redskin fan votes for anyone but Heath Shuler?"


I'll admit to falling for Heath Shuler when the skins drafted him.

(Admit it, lots of folks did.)

Then, Shuler came to D.C. and failed like Forrest Gump taking a math test.

Now I know that the episode was just proof that at the time, I didn't know anything.

And I know even less now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

moe, if Debron sign's with the heat, then you, me, Red, 4th, and zc, might end up making up the rest of that team.....they're gonna have the best 3 in the NBA, however, after that, its gonna be s l i m pickins...and by slim, i mean anorexic....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Tara Reid has the worst bust, but I realize she is not a QB.

As it turns out, Heath Schuler is also a bust as a congressman ... unless you're a fan of "Blue Dog Democrats" (guns, God, and hypocritical on deficit reduction).

Posted by: dcsween | July 8, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

beantown

"...they're gonna have the best 3 in the NBA (with LeBron, Wade, Bosh), however, after that, its gonna be s l i m pickins...and by slim, i mean anorexic..."

The LeBron to the Heat scenario works if Wade/Bosh take less money (and they want to) and Mike Beasely gets traded (and there are teams, like the Knicks, who'd want him).

But you know like I do DumBron is going to go to where ever the wind and media attention blows him.

And that might be either NY or Miami.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I took Ryan Leaf... cause he was #1 & where would the Bolts be now if they had drafted Peyton Manning?
Posted by: tony325
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Sorry Tony but if this is why you voted for Leaf you messed up your vote. Peyton Manning was drafted first by the Colts. Bolts never had a chance at him. Russell is clearly the worst of all time.. drafted first and the money.. oh so much wasted money.. and he's a jerk to boot.

Posted by: sovine08 | July 8, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

If the sports calendar were the Star Wars saga, July would be The Holiday Special.

Anybody care to wager that Lebron will announce at the end of 'The Decision' that he will make his decision Friday night, live on QVC?

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 8, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Lebron is such a tool.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


I'll admit to falling for Heath Shuler when the skins drafted him.

And now you're falling for McNabb.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

McNabb had me at hello

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

McNabb means never having to say your sorry.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 8, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

LeBron is a bandwagoning fool if he goes to Miami...he gives every LeBron hater all the fuel they need to bury him whether we wins a title or not. If he doesn't get it done, it's a debacle since he's playing with two other great players. If he does, it's because he followed Wade and Bosh to Miami.

I like DWade, but I'll be vigorously rooting against the Heat if they get BronBron.

F LeBron.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

What self-respecting Redskin fan votes for anyone but Heath Shuler?
Posted by: chrislarry
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Shuler was a bum no doubt.. but I'm not sure if he was the worst QB the Skins ever drafted. Shuler only played in 18 games in 2 seasons on the bench then gone. And the Skins got a 5th rounder and 3rd rounder for him. Jason Campbel meanwhile cost the Skins 3 draft picks just to move up and get him. Around for 5 years the Skins never made the playoffs the 3 years he was QBing.. they made it the 2 years he wasn't. Last season 4-12. And all the Skins got was a 4th rounder 2 YEARS from now for him. If you want to argue he was a better player fine.. but answer me this who set the Redskins back further???

Posted by: sovine08 | July 8, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

Saw my nephew on the 4th in Pittsburgh. He lives in Pa and is an Eagles fan. He's a good kid. His first remark was, I'm glad you took McNabb off our hands. Now he can throw dirt balls for the Skins. Thank $nyder for the next round of mayhem - Book it!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

hess, did you just compare DMac, and Shuler??

You realize that DMac has this thing called a pedigree of good/great play for many years...versus shuler, who had bupkis...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Yup, hess...there's one born every minute. Unbelievable that someone would be even remotely optimistic after acquiring a Pro Bowl QB. Suckers...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Um, I have a hard time seeing how publicly saying that you expect (not hope..."expect") to win multiple titles and "quietly setting goals for greatness" can be mutually exclusive. Seems to me you're either doing one or the other...

TWISI...great article, man. Makes me 100 times more confident in the kinda coach we're getting in Shanahan. We may or may not get a SB win outta the deal, but I'm pretty confident we'll at least get close.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 5:28 AM

I was talking about the competitor and egomaniac parts. You're assuming that your definitions are fact and tell the whole story which, of course, they do not. Being a great competitor and an egomaniac are NOT mutually exclusive. Your definitions are mere opinion which hardly resemble fact.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 8, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Saw my nephew on the 4th in Pittsburgh. He lives in Pa and is an Eagles fan. He's a good kid. His first remark was, I'm glad you took McNabb off our hands. Now he can throw dirt balls for the Skins. Thank $nyder for the next round of mayhem - Book it!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:07 AM


This tells me everything I need to know about your clan...you come on a Redskins blog bashing the Skins and your nephew roots for the Eagles in Pittsburgh. I'd ask if there's any marrying within the family, but I think I know the answer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Thank $nyder for the next round of mayhem - Book it!


lather, rinse, repeat...every post...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Saw my nephew on the 4th in Pittsburgh. He lives in Pa and is an Eagles fan. He's a good kid. His first remark was, I'm glad you took McNabb off our hands. Now he can throw dirt balls for the Skins. Thank $nyder for the next round of mayhem - Book it!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad it's a nephew and not a niece, because I'd tell her to watch out for dirtballs from Roethlisberger.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

"Is that the Latino hotdog? It sounds kind of TexMex. I haven't seen one here in NC, but that does sound dank.Posted by: iH8dallas"

Sonora is a state in northwestern Mexico. Rumor has it that the whole Arizona law controversy started with a secret push by Wienerschnitzel to reduce competition with those bacon-wrapped dogs.

Just kidding, of course. The bacon-wrapped dog is now the dominant cart dog in downtown LA, too. You can make'em even in NC (or just go to a town where there are a lot of Mexicans). Here's how:

http://masaassassin.blogspot.com/2009/03/short-history-on-mexicos-bacon-wrapped.html

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

The other great hotdog delicacy being the Pretzel Cheese Dog sold at Dutch markets in Pennsylvania and Maryland. There's one in Germantown and Annapolis, and of course the huge one at Crumpton just north of Chestertown, which if you like auctions, is the biggest damn auction anywhere.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Saw my nephew on the 4th in Pittsburgh. He lives in Pa and is an Eagles fan. He's a good kid. His first remark was, I'm glad you took McNabb off our hands. Now he can throw dirt balls for the Skins. Thank $nyder for the next round of mayhem - Book it!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:07 AM

I saw my nephew on the 5th in Philadelphia. He's an Eagles fan, but I still speak to him at these family gatherings. He was practically in tears. He said "I can't believe the Redskins robbed us blind. You guys STOLE the best Eagles quarterback in like forever. I'm about to give up on the Eagles."

My nephew can kick your nephew's azz. Your nephew can kiss my nephew's azz.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

No way am I comparing McNabb and Shuler. I will say that I don't think McNabb will hold up the entire year and he has lost the most important thing he had as a successful QB, his speed. He has lost a step and he throws dirt balls. Shuler never amounted to anything obviously. Thanks for the KIND post.

Hey brownwood, get lost dude. To this day I haven't used name calling to make my point. Only $nyder gets called names by hess. So stay positive, I hope it works out for you. If you don't like my opinion, well, don't read my comments.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"And now you're falling for McNabb."

Well, if Jake Locker had been in the most recent draft, I'd be a McNabb pessimist like you.

But he wasn't so I'm not.

I'll fall for a charismatic Pro Bowl quarterback with a Super Bowl and leadership skills under his belt playing behind a re-vamped line and re-dedicated Clinton Portis every day of the week that ends in the letter 'y'.

Stop being such a pissemist and get on the "Redskin Fan Optimism Bandwagon" that's rolling through town.

Otherwise, you'll get run over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

moe, when you're not a fan of the team, and you just want to bash Snyder like the one-trick pony that Hess is, its difficult to do anything positive....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Stop being such a pissemist and get on the "Redskin Fan Optimism Bandwagon" that's rolling through town.

Otherwise, you'll get run over.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 10:36 AM

I'm on board, who's driving this mutha? iH8?
Might even have to check out training camp this year!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Who are you to bash anyone, especially someone you don't know. I'm VA born and bred. My mother and father are from Pittsburgh. My nephew lives in Reading, PA. All good people. I've been a Skins fan all my life and I'm currently 51. You like to stereotype, fine with me. You seem to think you own this board because you're always on it. Your response to my comments tells me you need to grow up. Your name calling is immature at the least.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm on board, who's driving this mutha? iH8?
Might even have to check out training camp this year!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not only a client, I'm the optimism president.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I've been a Skins fan all my life

lies, and damn lies....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

@ Hess-

Other than Snyder dying, what could the Skins do to make you happy?

Have 53 draft picks next year, all of them being All-Pro their rookie season?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse


@MistaMoe

I am getting run over moe, but I'll stick to my guns. Thanks for the KIND response. I wish we can comment on all things and be reasonable. The name calling is childish, so I'll take the higher ground.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

so I'll take the higher ground

which is rare, or non existent for an eagles fan....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

stevek

"I'm on board, who's driving this mutha?"


Well, for right now, the "Redskin Fan Optimism Bandwagon" sits like any other football team's fan vehicle does right after you've sent it in for repairs.

You're hoping the clunker you sent in to get fixed, is.

The horrible playcalling?

Fixed.

That broken o-line?

Fixed.

That medicore quarterback play?

Fixed.

That surly "I ain't practicin' today," $7 million dolla running back?

Re-dedicated.

That good defense that didn't get turnovers, well, you're hoping the new scheme they put in makes the entire unit run smoothly.

All you hope for now is that the receivers catch and the Fat Guy gets traded for a couple of middle round picks.

And then, you're ready to hit the road for 16 weeks of Sunday Afternoon fun.

And as for who's driving the thing, I like how both BA and BS have steered it in for repairs.

So we'll let them drive, while we all sit back enjoy the ride.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse


@iH8dallas

Let's start with keeping all our draft picks. Now there's something different. I'd love to see this team build through the draft and then add the FA necessary to be a SB champion. You can say we've gotten some bargains if the players we aquired this off season pan out, but I'd like to see the Skins take a different aproach and build through the draft.

@BeantownGreg1

Again, you don't know me, so give hess a break.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm VA born and bred. My mother and father are from Pittsburgh. My nephew lives in Reading, PA. All good people. I've been a Skins fan all my life and I'm currently 51.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:44 AM


I'm a branch manager. I'm in charge of 27 people. I drive a Dodge Stratus...

Change is in the Ashburn air. Get with the program or get lost. It's really as simple as that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I'm on board, who's driving this mutha? iH8?
Might even have to check out training camp this year!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not only a client, I'm the optimism president.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 10:46 AM

I'll man the koolaid-erator, you focus on driving...wouldn't want you to get a DWO (driving while optimistic).

3 weeks and counting...

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

Do you even read the post on this board? Think what you want, $nyder is a loser and McNabb can't win the big one. Funny how you bash the Eagle's and there fans, yet you embrace McNabb, the second coming of Joe Montana.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The name calling is childish...

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:52 AM


So is a self-proclaimed "Redskins fan" spewing hate on a Redskins blog...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

so give hess a break.

practice what you preach with the break stuff, and give the blog a break with the constant pissing and whining about Snyder.......its gotten old...stale...horse is dead...bones turned to dust...

if you can't see that Snyder has taken a back seat, and that MS/BA are in charge, then I'm not sure what exactly you're missing intelligence wise, to understand this....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Funny how you bash the Eagle's and there fans, yet you embrace McNabb...

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:04 AM


Kinda holds to form since the Eagles fans never really embraced McNabb...just sayin'...

Oh, and everything you just said about McNabb is the same stuff people were saying about Elway before Shanahan took over in Denver. Something to consider when you're done sticking pins in your Snyder voodoo doll...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Change is in the Ashburn air. Get with the program or get lost. It's really as simple as that...

That's been the problem for a decade now, CHANGE. You think it's different this time, and I respect that. You thought the same thing with the second coming of Gibbs. I did to. Not this time around.


Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I didn't buy a McNabb jersey, but I did get one of those T-shirts with Redskins on the front and McNabb 5 on the back.

It's my driving shirt.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

constant pissing and whining about Snyder.......its gotten old...stale...horse is dead...bones turned to dust...

And so has your optimism. You can look back as far as last season to see the venom you directed at $nyder. Whatever way the wind blows I guess.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

When Steve and I are driving the Optimism 2010 Bus, we will be sure to honk the horn as we blow buy the fat hitchhiker. The one with the "Stripper takin' all my paper, Will play 4 Food" sign.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

You think it's different this time,

Ok, tell me how its not different??

In case you didn't get the memo, VinCerrato is GONE, he's not part of the team any more.

And Snyder is not involved like he's been in the past.

Soooo...what part of that is lost on you??

What part don't you get??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Good comment about Elway, but he was already in place as was most of that team. NOT THE WHOLE BRONCO SB TEAMS. Thought I'd say that before BeantownGreg1 called me an idiot, which he will anyways. I think Shanahan's running game made the difference for Elway more than anything else.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't think LeBron's camp would have leaked out he's going to MIA.....If he does go there, then it'll be DWade's team....and Lebron will be Scottie Pippen...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1

What part don't you get??

From the outside it appears that $nyder might had stepped back. Is it a crime to disagree in a reasonable fashion, or do we all have to agree that $nyder is a changed man because you say so?


Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

When Steve and I are driving the Optimism 2010 Bus, we will be sure to honk the horn as we blow buy the fat hitchhiker. The one with the "Stripper takin' all my paper, Will play 4 Food" sign.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 11:14 AM

...and I'll shout "you coulda been on this thang, dumba$$"!!

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

hessone

"Think what you want, $nyder is a loser and McNabb can't win the big one."


I mean you no disrespect, but Snyder tossing Vinny aside for competent, adult management from Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan clears up all the doosh-baggery he was guilty of back in the day.

And as for McNabb, we can only hope his play makes the team competetive.

Realistic fans know that not every year is a championship run.

What you want is a team that's in the conversation as one of the league's better franchises on the field.

We don't want McNabb to win the Big One as much has have the team on the brink of the playoffs so when that run comes, we know we got a leader in place.

And if he loses the Big One, again but as a redskin, it's better than losing all the little ones like we did with #17.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Added a few updates Mista

Well, for right now, the "Redskin Fan Optimism Bandwagon" sits like any other football team's fan vehicle does right after you've sent it in for repairs.

You're hoping the clunker you sent in to get fixed, is.

The horrible playcalling?

Fixed.

Being properly prepared for the games

Fixed.

That broken o-line?

Fixed. What? OK, better

That mediocre quarterback play?

Fixed. Well its improved.

That surly "I ain't practicin' today," $7 million dolla running back?

Re-dedicated. And old.

The 3-4 scheme
ummmm, its new ... this year, the front 7 get to be confused

The defensive secondary

Less confused than the front 7. I hope.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

or do we all have to agree that $nyder is a changed man because you say so?

not at all....just facts...but don't let them get in your way.....its the same old same old....right...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

@iH8dallas

Let's start with keeping all our draft picks. Now there's something different. I'd love to see this team build through the draft and then add the FA necessary to be a SB champion. You can say we've gotten some bargains if the players we aquired this off season pan out, but I'd like to see the Skins take a different aproach and build through the draft.

Posted by: hessone

Guess you'll be waiting until the Shanahans have left town.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

ESPN has James going to the Heat. I think it will be the Knicks. Here is why:

1. The Heat already have Wade whose game duplicates what James does in many respects. Too much of them getting in the way of each other, on the floor and in the ego parlor.

2.If James goes to Miami he will have to share the $$$ with Wade and Bosch. And Miami is not a team that will eat luxury tax $$$ like the Knicks will.

3. Commercial opportunities. As far as endosements go Miami is not a big time market. It's like a Carribean resort town with lots of downscale Cubans and other Latino types as permanent residents. The New York metro area is the richest market in the world. Look how rich it made the Yankees. And it is about more than endorsements. James is thinking big. He wants to start his own line of clothing, a line of restaurants with his name on it, etc. NYC is the place to be for that - pub-wise, connect-wise, etc.

3. There are other possibilities. Cleveland is out. They had him for 7 yrs and consistently populated the rest of the team with a bunch of duds. Besides, it is a shell of city, like Detroit and other downsliders. Chi-town is a possbility but as with Wade, Rose duplicates a lot of what James does. And the news that they have settled for a second tier dude like Boozer signals that they are no longer in the running and will have to make do with the scraps they can find.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The other great hotdog delicacy being the Pretzel Cheese Dog sold at Dutch markets in Pennsylvania and Maryland.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

In the past two years I have become a serious addict of the stuffed pretzels at the Dutch markets. F'ing delicious. THere is also one in Cockeysville. If you have never had one, you got to try them.

They have the following varieties of stuffed pretzel rolls:

Sausage and Cheddar
Ham and Mozzarella
Chicken and Swiss
Steak and Cheese
Plain Mozzarella
Pepperoni, Mozz and sauce
Hot dog and Cheese

They are also only $2. The Amish might not be up with the Technology, but man they have one great selection on foods in there.

And F Shuler

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 8, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse


@MistaMoe

I hear you clearly, and there's no disrespect when there's a disagreement. Thick skin is the word of the day. I think folks that can't respond in a nice way are the problem. They seem immature to me.

I'm a big Skins fan, just like some other folks that THINK they know it all about, well, everything. I'll take the wait and see approach. One of the things I wanted to see was Cerrato out the door, and that happened, as you noted. And yes, it appears $nyder has stepped back. But unless you're inside Redskins Park, then you're outside looking in. That to me is not pessimism. more like being a realist after the last decade. Hey, it's only an opinion.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Greg, we're just wasting time on hess...I mean, the "$nyder hasn't changed" bit is eerily similar to "the world is flat", "the moon landing was staged", and "Elvis is alive". Fact just doesn't weigh into the equation with people like that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Not in my lifetime... Can you imagine Sonny throwing to Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith under today's set of rules?


I'm going completely opposite of "greatest bust":
Can anyone, especially Redskin fans, name a quarterback that threw the ball better than Sonny? I've seen lots of qb's since the 70's, and I can't think of anyone who had the repertoire of throws, release, velocity, and accuracy of Sonny. Given that he did most of his damage before the rules changes, I can't think of any modern qb who could match him.

Posted by: pdfordiii | July 7, 2010 1:10 PM

Posted by: Jurgensen9 | July 8, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

brown, the funny part about it is hess acknowledges that things have indeed changed and its undeniable, Cerrato is gone/DS backseat, but then talks out the other side of his mouth, with 'same old, same old'....like you can't play both sides on this one....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Lebron's not going to Miami, simply because his ego won't allow him to. It has nothing to do with players that are already there who might have game similar to Lebron's.


If Lebron did go to Miami, it isn't his team, it's Wade's. And it should be, Wade is better than Lebron. Also, if Lebron did go to Miami it would be another example of what a self-indulged prick "King" James really is... You're supposed to go to Miami with Wade and Bosh to win 'ships -- to form this new big three alliance, but instead of holding a press conference with them, he chooses to hold his own hyped up crap ass press conference?


Lebron is full of sh*t and himself. F Lebron with the dildo Delonte West used on his mama. Where he goes it will never change the fact that he's a self absorbed loser.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 8, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Lebron isn't gonna go anywhere he's not the first option.

So that eliminates the Heat. James wade n bosh together would be tough to stop but they'll only 7 players on the roster, not enough supporting roles there.

The knicks with Amare would be a good pairining but Dantoni does like to play d. The Celtics showed d carries you in the playoffs

I think boozer goin to the bulls shows where LBJ is headed.

To me its either the bulls or cavs...

Cavs again not enough role players around james

The bulls have Rose, Boozer, Noah n probly James.

The eastern conference playoff will be interesting with the new super teams, whichever they are play against each other

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 8, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Not in my lifetime... Can you imagine Sonny throwing to Charlie Taylor, Bobby Mitchell, and Jerry Smith under today's set of rules?


I'm going completely opposite of "greatest bust":
Can anyone, especially Redskin fans, name a quarterback that threw the ball better than Sonny? I've seen lots of qb's since the 70's, and I can't think of anyone who had the repertoire of throws, release, velocity, and accuracy of Sonny. Given that he did most of his damage before the rules changes, I can't think of any modern qb who could match him.

Posted by: pdfordiii | July 7, 2010 1:10 PM

Posted by: Jurgensen9

Sonny was magic.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm glad you took McNabb off our hands. Now he can throw dirt balls for the Skins. Thank $nyder for the next round of mayhem - Book it!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 10:07 AM


That, my friend, is pessimism...not even close to realism.

And just for the record, "$nyder sucks and nothing he touches will ever flourish" isn't taking a "wait and see approach". That's textbook pessimism. I'll be glad to run you a link to the definition if you need it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

"Thick skin is the word of the day."


Two. Two words...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse


@BeantownGreg1

not at all....just facts...but don't let them get in your way.....its the same old same old....right...

The firings and the hirings are same old. The signing of old FA are the same old. Let's hope for your sake it all pans out, I'd hate to hear you had a heart attack over another losing season.

By the way, I hate the Eagles, Cowboys, and the Giants. My folks from Pittsburgh can't understand why I'm not a Steelers fan. Yes, they've got 6 rings, but I bleed Burgundy and Gold, even though you don't think so. As far as $nyder, buyer beware. I've got plenty of history to back that up.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

One of my fav Sonny moments came a couple years after he retired. They did a punt pass kick competition with him and a few others. 42 years old, give or take. His throw was 65 yards and it landed on the tape.

Of course, his kick looked more like an onside attempt than an extra point try.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse


"Thick skin is the word of the day."


Two. Two words...

Roger that!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The signing of old FA are the same old...

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 11:53 AM


What "old FAs" did we sign? Joey Galloway who won't make the team? Backup DE Vonnie Holliday? We made 3 trades of note and close to nothing in FA and yet it's same 'ol?

Delusional...you're so far detached from reality it's incredible...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

... Dantoni does like to play d.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 8, 2010 11:49 AM |

I think this is the first time I have seen a comment like that.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

It's so damn hot, milk was a bad choice.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 8, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Sorry, I did mean TRADE and not FA. Thanks for the correction. You could remove the delusional, as I do believe we are adults here.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Why are all of you giving hessone such a hard time. He's obviously a person that holds onto the past and who dose not take an objective stock of the present. There are many fans like that...that's who keep radio guys like LaVar and Czban employed with their forums of pessimism. The one thing that we'll all understand early in the season is if the culture of the team has indeed changed once the team has faced adversity.

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Of course, his kick looked more like an onside attempt than an extra point try.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 11:58 AM |

Sonny liked to party too much. He never was in good shape. And why does the name Jay Cutler pop up when I try to vizualize what he would be like in a contemporary setting?

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Again...the only one with maturity issues is the one spewing hate at a time when the Skins are entering a season with the best coach/QB combo this team has seen in two decades. Get on board or get out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Pessimist bandwagon vehicle sighted near Ashburn VA...

http://www.abikestore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=abs&Product_Code=elmo-tricycle

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Run that bi!ch off the road!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"Thick....is the word of the day."

"Thick" is the word if you're working with this chick:

http://www.thugvillage.com/media/general/news/831-bank-worker-fired-for-being-too-sexy

That female's so thick, I'd give her MY check on payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

why does the name Jay Cutler pop up when I try to vizualize what he would be like in a contemporary setting?

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 12:12 PM


I think you know the obvious difference...Sonny comes off as a classic overachiever, the lovable slacker you'd love to have a beer with. Cutler comes off as a pretentious d-bag.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

I tried (briefly) to see if any of the comments included Gary Beban as the Biggest Bust QB - to address the question of this thread.

Unfortunately, I saw comments ranging from basketball to intelligent life on other planets. Basically, any topic at all seems to be the norm on this platform.

Like Shuler, Beban was thought to be a no-miss pick, but....he seems to be adroit at sales and now politics! Perhaps he's stupid enough to be in the oval office! Look at the Bush's and the mess they made!

Posted by: duru44 | July 8, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

OUR TEAM IS ABOUT TO GET BLACKED OUT VERY SOON. THEY ALREADY TOOK OUT ABOUT 500 CLUB SEATS. THEY OFFERED ME CLUB SEATS @ A DISCOUNT OF 25% OFF. NOW THIS:

Still thinking about Redskins Season Tickets? Now is your chance to see them before you buy them!

As an eligible member of the Washington Redskins Wait List, you are cordially invited to come out to FedExField for an exclusive opportunity to select your own 2010 season ticket location before you buy.

Plus, see Redskins highlights on the new 100-foot wide, punter-proof HD videoboards!

Great seats are still available in the Upper Level sections of the stadium.
Ticket locations are sold on a first-come, first-serve basis.
Prices start at just $440 per season ticket package (plus tax).
Inside-the-Beltway Parking is also available!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Get on board or get out...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:13 PM |

Sieg Heil, dude.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

duru44, someone namechecked Gary Beban up here yesterday. I have to admit, I'd never heard of the guy until then. But thanks to you guys, I now know to count him among the biggest bust QBs out there.

And as far as the subject matter in this ongoing conversation... are you new here? You're absolutely right that just about any topic at all flies up here, especially in the dog days of summer.

Camp's coming, people. Stay strong...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 8, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

What hate are you speaking of? You're the one doing the name calling hear. I'm the one taking the higher ground. Haven't said a bad thing about you. Go back and look at the post. I might disagree with you, but there's no hate. Obviously, I'm not as well educated as you. Hell, I'm slightly burned out to be honest with you. But you can give your fellow man a break. Don't be so freakin critical. Jeez

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

That female's so thick, I'd give her MY check on payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 12:17 PM


No kiddin' Moe...I saw this story on the news a couple months ago and she's gotta be about a 12 on a scale of 1-10. The freaky stuff I'd do to her would be illegal in 9 countries...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Plus, see Redskins highlights on the new 100-foot wide, punter-proof HD videoboards!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 12:19 PM |

Interesting. I wonder how they are going to suspend it over mid-field? Calling David Copperfield!

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

It's slow, thought I'd post this tidbit from an article about Kubiak. Mentioned Shanny in there, sorry if it's already been posted.


Kubiak's success with the Houston offense proves he has been able to implement Shanahan's brilliant play-calling methods effectively, but he might have picked up some of Shanahan's deficiencies when dealing with certain types of players.

For example, back in 2003, Ashley Lelie showed some instances of a lack of on-field toughness that caused him to miss more than a few passes. Shanahan and his staff pushed Lelie to get over this, and he responded by stepping his game up and posting a 10.0 YPA in 2004, a total that was seventh-best in the league.

That success story wasn't enough for Shanahan. To quote Scientific Football 2006:

Lelie is one of the best deep threats in the league but Shanahan has it in his mind that he should run medium and short routes as well as he does deep ones. Lelie either can't or won't do that and Shanahan is simply never going to stop expecting him to do it. Shanahan is so single-minded in this pursuit that he will push, cajole, demote and eventually bench Lelie if he doesn't improve in these areas.

That is exactly what happened. Shanahan stayed on Lelie's case constantly, and it eventually led to Lelie's performance dropping back to unacceptable levels. The Broncos ended up having to trade him for much less than they what they could have traded him for before Shanahan lost patience with Lelie's limitations.

This wasn't the only case in which Shanahan's high expectations cost Denver. Deltha O'Neal posted nine interceptions in 2001 and looked like an up-and-coming star cornerback, but Shanahan was so unwilling to accept weaknesses in O'Neal's game that he eventually ended up moving him to wide receiver. One could also add the cases of Tatum Bell and Jake Plummer to this list.

Posted by: saltine182 | July 8, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

That female's so thick, I'd give her MY check on payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 12:17 PM


No kiddin' Moe...I saw this story on the news a couple months ago and she's gotta be about a 12 on a scale of 1-10. The freaky stuff I'd do to her would be illegal in 9 countries...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

What kind of homo would fire her?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"Thick" is the word if you're working with this chick:

http://www.thugvillage.com/media/general/news/831-bank-worker-fired-for-being-too-sexy

That female's so thick, I'd give her MY check on payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 12:17 PM

She's not 'thick'...but she is def a 12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse


That female's so thick, I'd give her MY check on payday.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 12:17 PM


No kiddin' Moe...I saw this story on the news a couple months ago and she's gotta be about a 12 on a scale of 1-10. The freaky stuff I'd do to her would be illegal in 9 countries...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 8, 2010 12:25 PM

I may be delusional, but she could click her fingers and I'd agree with anything you guys said, including $nyder is the King of football present!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

She's not 'thick'...but she is def a 12.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM |

Thicka than a snicka.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

OUR TEAM IS ABOUT TO GET BLACKED OUT VERY SOON. THEY ALREADY TOOK OUT ABOUT 500 CLUB SEATS. THEY OFFERED ME CLUB SEATS @ A DISCOUNT OF 25% OFF. NOW THIS:

Still thinking about Redskins Season Tickets? Now is your chance to see them before you buy them!

As an eligible member of the Washington Redskins Wait List, you are cordially invited to come out to FedExField for an exclusive opportunity to select your own 2010 season ticket location before you buy.

Plus, see Redskins highlights on the new 100-foot wide, punter-proof HD videoboards!

Great seats are still available in the Upper Level sections of the stadium.
Ticket locations are sold on a first-come, first-serve basis.
Prices start at just $440 per season ticket package (plus tax).
Inside-the-Beltway Parking is also available!

Posted by: 4thFloor


Been speculating on this for quite a while. This team's #1 asset is the "wait list" for season tix. Lose that and the value of the team plummets.

I thought bringing in Shanahan would have given Danny a bit of a reprieve -- but apparently not.

2 decades of mediocrity, an owner that treats fans like they don't matter and some seriously bad football decisions have taken its toll.

Danny needs this team to win, and win soon. Which is why Shanahan has the power in the relationship. Danny needs him more the Shanahan needs Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse


@TWISI

Don't listen to the likes of Lavar and Czban. But I do listen to the other posters with an open mind. I don't get why a few that post here all the time are so sensitive and a bit in denial about the past.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

What kind of homo would fire her?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse


Maybe the boss was a lady of less thickness?

Otherwise, I doubt her looks got her fired. More likely, her looks got her hired and her lack of any other redeeming qualities go her fired.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 8, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

What kind of homo would fire her?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse


Maybe the boss was a lady of less thickness?

Otherwise, I doubt her looks got her fired. More likely, her looks got her hired and her lack of any other redeeming qualities go her fired.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 8, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Vic Carucci on NFL.com says the Skins are the most improved team for 2010. He predicts we earn a wildcard playoff spot.

iH8 thinks we win the East, but I will take a wildcard spot.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Danny needs this team to win, and win soon. Which is why Shanahan has the power in the relationship. Danny needs him more the Shanahan needs Danny.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 12:47 PM

Indeed......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What kind of homo would fire her?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 12:31 PM

Here's on thought. That lady is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Male co-workers are going to be attracted to her, and some will make a play for her. Some female co-workers could be jealous of her (looks, attention, etc) and could make life for difficult in the workplace.

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

2 decades of mediocrity, an owner that treats fans like they don't matter and some seriously bad football decisions have taken its toll.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 12:47 PM |

It wasn't that he treated them like they did not matter as much as he treated them like a cash cow that he could milk to the hilt. 3 SBs in 10 yrs had created a fan buzz that was desperate to find any reason for being optimistic. Like signing big-name over-the-hill FAs (can you say Bruce?). Such delirium can last only so long. Eventually you are going to have to pay the piper. Snyder has made his pile and the fan base has become cynical and restless. If the MS/BA deal doesn't pan out then it's "See yah!" for Snyder. He'll be off to find some other opportunity to milk $$$ from suckers.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse


@zcezcest1

I thought bringing in Shanahan would have given Danny a bit of a reprieve -- but apparently not.

2 decades of mediocrity, an owner that treats fans like they don't matter and some seriously bad football decisions have taken its toll.

Danny needs this team to win, and win soon.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the point here. In order to win, and win soon, the draft picks will go to another team and we'll still have mediocrity. Just think what kind of team this could be without $nyder as OWNER. You can look at the quality of coaches and players that have come and gone, but there's still one thing in place, isn't there? Let's not forget the "waiting list" issue from last season. Screw the fans, sell the tickets to the brokers. But that's all changed in less than a years time, hasn't it?

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't get why a few that post here all the time are so sensitive and a bit in denial about the past.

Not in denial of it, but also not living in it either as you seem to be.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

But I do listen to the other posters with an open mind. I don't get why a few that post here all the time are so sensitive and a bit in denial about the past.

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I post here all the time, and I'm open to other poster. I may not agree with it, and call said poster out. I can confidently state that 99% of the posters here know what's happened to this franchise over the past 10 years. Most have decided not to wallow in the past because of the FO and personnel moves this offseason. You haven't..that's fine. IMO it's boring to repeat the same type of post. How many time does one have to hear about Antonio Pierce, or Leigh Torrance getting away. Do we really need to re-live the JC posts of the past two years. It would be nice if you could open your mind to the new Shanallen regime and base your opinions on what they do, if not the ghosts of the past will continue to haunt you.

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Why are all of you giving hessone such a hard time. He's obviously a person that holds onto the past and who dose not take an objective stock of the present. There are many fans like that...that's who keep radio guys like LaVar and Czban employed with their forums of pessimism. The one thing that we'll all understand early in the season is if the culture of the team has indeed changed once the team has faced adversity.

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

You're right, TWISI. Hess will be one of those "fans" who will be booing the Skins in the first Q 9/12/10 when they fail to make a first down.

Hessone, I'm not saying you are not a Skins fan. But you came on here with only one point of view, that DS is not a good owner. There really aren't many people on here who will argue with that. I give DS credit for trying, which is more than some owners. But he tried to buy a Lombardi by buying expensive over-the-hill veterans. Obviously that did not work. At least to his credit, he has fired VC, and brought in some credible management. Most everyone on RI is willing to give these guys a chance.

NOw you are being pessimistic about the changes MS/BA have made. Fine. Your opinion. Most of us on the blog are feeling good about the changes. This team should be more competitive than the last year and a half. Will we win Super Bowl...probably not. But neither will 31 other teams. Can we be in the running come December. Hopefully we can.

So perhaps you might stop being so argumentative.

And to beanie and brownie, ITA.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse


@TWISI

Well said TWISI. But to forget history is mans biggest mistake. I'll agree to disagree, but you'll have to realize that the non-stop optimism is setting yourself up for the big letdown. Case in point:

Vic Carucci on NFL.com says the Skins are the most improved team for 2010. He predicts we earn a wildcard playoff spot.

iH8 thinks we win the East, but I will take a wildcard spot.

How many analyst pick teams to win divisions or be most improved during the off season and are dead wrong? Plenty of them.


Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Will we win Super Bowl...probably not. But neither will 31 other teams.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:25 PM |

Please explain. If the Skins don't win the SB and 31 other teams don't, then who does? There are only 32 teams in the NFL the last time I checked.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Will we win Super Bowl...probably not. But neither will 31 other teams.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:25 PM |

Please explain. If the Skins don't win the SB and 31 other teams don't, then who does? There are only 32 teams in the NFL the last time I checked.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Mr Red. Good point. I was trying to day that every year, 31 teams do not win it.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Vic Carucci on NFL.com says the Skins are the most improved team for 2010. He predicts we earn a wildcard playoff spot.

iH8 thinks we win the East, but I will take a wildcard spot.

Posted by: iH8dallas

Wildcards for NFC East are going to be tough to come by. The East division isn't as strong and the schedule is brutal for all of the teams -- the non-conference AFC South and NFC North are among the toughest divisions.

The NFC North plays the AFC East, which helps GB and Minn. They play Chi (2x), Det (2x), StL, Sea and AZ (post Warner), Miami and Buff. 9 games, they should each get 7-8 wins. Meaning even sub .500 ball vs the rest of the schedule gets them to 10 wins.

The NFC South plays the AFC North and NFC West. While Baltimore looks ready to roll, the Steelers are hurting, we'll see if Cincy holds up and Cle is still Cle. The NFC West is pretty weak.

ATL and Carolina play Cle, Sea, StL and Tampa 2x. 5-0 for both? If so, they can go 5-6 vs everyone else and get to 10 wins. ATL also gets Pitt w/o Big Ben.

Not yet predicting, but if you want to get to the playoffs from the East, you'd better win the division.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 1:29 PM

That's the "pundits" I think most on here are knowledgeable enough to give the Shanallen term a couple to three years to turn the direction of the past 10 years. My hope is that I don't have to deal with "Get rid of Snyder" posts all that time...unless he does something during that period that may call for that type of post.

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse


@frediefritz

I hear you loud and clear. It's easy to agree and go with the crowd, and I respect all opinions. This board has many posters who are very knowledgable when it comes to football. But dignity and respect are void when it comes to some posters, and I'll take my lumps for that comment alone. I'm not on it daily like some others, so when I do visit and see that we have won the offseason championship, jeez. Would another decade of mediocrity still find you optimistic? I hope for Redskins nation that $nyder has stepped back, but only time will tell. Thanks for the KIND post rediefritz!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I truly believe FIFA is a tool of the NWO folks...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 7, 2010 2:19 PM |

Or mebbe the NWA folks. Calling Dr. Dre!

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

@TWISI

Well said TWISI. But to forget history is mans biggest mistake
posted by hessone

No, not really. Man's biggest mistake is firing that 12!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Mr Red. Good point. I was trying to day that every year, 31 teams do not win it.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:39 PM |

I shouldn't be such a nit picker. Or as some would prolly attest to, a nitwit.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious...At this same time of year, was Jasno providing more gristle to chew on than JReid? I mean this is one of the top pro football markets in the country, and the official, unofficial "Insider" blog of the Washington Post has provided us with jack sh** for about a month now.

RI bloggers have provided a large, solid, semi-educated comment base, and I think we deserve some reciprocity here. You can't just break the Haynesworth-not-coming-to-mini-camp story and then go sit on a toilet for 3 weeks. Provide some content. Steal some PFT rumors. Do SOMETHING!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

The Great Future HOFer Charles Woodson has now commented on AH:

"the consensus is that nobody can understand how you can get $100 million and not work."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/08/charles-woodson-on-aaron-rodgers-best-quarterback-in-the-league/

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 8, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Would another decade of mediocrity still find you optimistic?
posted by hessone

It depends on what they did. Generally, I'm an optimist, so in many, but not all, cases, yes. But I do try to analyze the situation.

Most people on the board recognize that there is a learning curve when a new O or D is implemented. I think there are probably more concerns on RI about going to a 3-4 than there are for shifting to a zone blocking scheme.

But what I really want is a team that is competitive in every game, and in the running come December.

And as we say on here, I'm drinking the kool-ade this year! HTTR.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

No, not really. Man's biggest mistake is firing that 12!

Posted by: frediefritz

I heard that!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that Snyder has actually hired 3 good coaches ... and the 1st 2 times, misused them.

Marty was a very good coach, got to .500 with very modest talent, and Snyder discarded him for a disaster. Lots of people think if Snyder had stuck with Marty, the Skins would have been a success. I'm one of those.

Gibbs was a so-so coach, but a very good leader. He had forgotten a lot of football and was out of touch for a decade ... which should have disqualified him from making personnel decisions. Plus, dividing his time between the two roles left him less time to relearn the game and innovate. He did well, and left the team going in a very positive direction ... which lasted another 1/2 a season.

Now Shanahan has the reigns. He's got a decent sidekick in Bruce Allen. It does feel different. First, Shanahan isn't getting fired like Marty. Danny KNOWS firing Shanahan would be a business disaster -- season tix would get canceled left and right. Like Marty, he's highly competent as a coach, but he has considerably more talent than Marty had.

This is the best HC/front office combo Danny has had and they are going to have a chance to get it right.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

If LeTravel is interested in cementing a legacy of greatness in the NBA, then he goes to Miami - plain and simple.

In Miami, with Wade and Bosh, he's going to have the best chance to win beaucoup rings over the next X number of years.

If he has other interests - commercial, personal, egotistical, financial - then who knows what he decides.

The only thing I care about right now is seeing how these decisions may or may not impact the Wizards ability to move Gilbert Arenas.

I still think there is high hopes for GA to get moved to the Knicks. With LeBron, the chances are good. Without LeBron, the chances are really really good.

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

@frediefritz

But what I really want is a team that is competitive in every game, and in the running come December.

I hope your dreams come true my man!

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Wildcards for NFC East are going to be tough to come by. The East division isn't as strong and the schedule is brutal for all of the teams -- the non-conference AFC South and NFC North are among the toughest divisions.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The East does have a tough schedule, and the teams tend to beat up on each other.

That being said, the East usually sends a wildcard and alot of times sends 2.

I think we have a good chance to win the division this year, and we will.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Wait...is there seriously going to be some kind of TV "special" tonight called "The Decision" on where LeBaby plays????

Count me as one who is going to boycott ESPN tonight. This is the kind of crap that makes me despise the NBA and ESPN, and their culture of coddling and worshipping "stars" who haven't actually accomplished anything in their careers as a pro.

In what sane universe does a guy who hasn't even won a single championship get a TV special about where he goes in free agency????

Screw LeCrabDribble, his ego, and all the sychophants out their in the media that make ridiculous spectacles like this possible.

If LeTravel surprises everyone and comes to Washington, I'll be the guy that you see getting escorted out of Verizon Center for chucking rotten vegetables at him on the court...

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm just curious...At this same time of year, was Jasno providing more gristle to chew on than JReid? I mean this is one of the top pro football markets in the country, and the official, unofficial "Insider" blog of the Washington Post has provided us with jack sh** for about a month now.

RI bloggers have provided a large, solid, semi-educated comment base, and I think we deserve some reciprocity here. You can't just break the Haynesworth-not-coming-to-mini-camp story and then go sit on a toilet for 3 weeks. Provide some content. Steal some PFT rumors. Do SOMETHING!

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 8, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

My favorite headline come out on July 7, stating "Yes, it's July"! Wow, just WOW!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

In Miami, with Wade and Bosh, he's going to have the best chance to win beaucoup regular season games over the next X number of years

fixed it for you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Marty was a very good coach, got to .500 with very modest talent, and Snyder discarded him for a disaster. Lots of people think if Snyder had stuck with Marty, the Skins would have been a success. I'm one of those.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 2:00 PM |

Schott was a victim of Snyder's little boy/shiny bauble phase. When Spurrier came on the market he couldn't resist the lure. If Schott had not been fired he would still have had to deal with Bug Eyes, a real problem when thinking he could succeed, considering the problems he had later on with AJ, a real GM.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

In Miami, with Wade and Bosh, he's going to have the best chance to win beaucoup regular season games over the next X number of years

fixed it for you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse


Are the Heat hiring Mike Brown as well??

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that Snyder has actually hired 3 good coaches ... and the 1st 2 times, misused them....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 2:00 PM

I think it's really difficult to assess each coaches contribution to the team, as you're attemtpting to do, because there wasn't enough time and each one had to virtually start over.

How do you judge a man for one season of coaching, when he starts 0-6? As you point out, Gibbs had the team going in the right direction--he won as many playoff games in Gibbs 2.0 as Shanahan did in Denver post-Elway. But then, Gibbs top 2 guys (Grilliams and Wierd Al) were released and continuity disappeared.

Now, Shanallen has changed over about half the offensive starters from last year. Unless the new regime gets at 3 to 4 years, I will see this as a continuation of the discontinuity. Will Snyder be patient if we post sub 0.500 records for a couple of years?

Posted by: Alan4 | July 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


@p1funk

Count me as one who is going to boycott ESPN tonight.

Hey funk, take it from hessone, boycotts don't go over to good on the board. lmao

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

In Miami, with Wade and Bosh, he's going to have the best chance to win beaucoup regular season games over the next X number of years

fixed it for you.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't follow the NBA, but if LBJ goes to the Heat, wouldn't it be kinda like Skins going out and hiring the most expensive over-the-hill free agent avialiable?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

@p1funk

Count me as one who is going to boycott ESPN tonight.

Hey funk, take it from hessone, boycotts don't go over to good on the board. lmao

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


No offense, but we're in 2 different places on that one.

You are up on a Redskins board talking about boycotting the Redskins.

If I were up on the ESPN "Decision" chatroom all day posting about how I'm going to boycott ESPN "Decision", then there would be some parallels.

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

So Bean,

Where are you at on the Ray Allen extension?

I don't know about that one. On the one hand he played some consistent D on Kobe, on the other hand he really crapped out shooting (that one game aside). Had Ray ended up shooting even a mediocre %, I think the Celtics win that series.

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

p1, not sure how I feel, on both Ray-Ray, Pierce, and signing Jermaine O'neal, who they did today. IMO, they should have let Pierce and Ray walk...and tried to get younger....Oh well I guess....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


@p1funk

Just kiddin my man. lmao

Posted by: hessone | July 8, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the old skit on SNL "Debbie Downer" ?

She reminds me of hessone.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

We will be good next year.

The other NFC East teams won't know what we are throwing at them.

Then the second time around we switch the style up, if they wanna hate then let em hate and watch the points pile up.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

p1, not sure how I feel, on both Ray-Ray, Pierce, and signing Jermaine O'neal, who they did today. IMO, they should have let Pierce and Ray walk...and tried to get younger....Oh well I guess....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse


????

The C's signed Jermaine O'Neal?? To do what exactly? I hope not to play basketball for them.

Ugh.

Oh, well. You guys had a nice run these past couple years...hope you enjoyed it while it lasted...

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 2:52 PM

lmao. I actually knew a girl named Debbie Downer when I was growing up.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 8, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

p1, yeah, my thoughts exactly.....he's there to replace sheed, but they need to keep his minutes in the 20 per game range.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

p1, yeah, my thoughts exactly.....he's there to replace sheed, but they need to keep his minutes in the 20 per game range.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse


Did they watch him in Miami at all??

At least 'Sheed still had some versatility in his offensive game that he could bring, and they could use him to exploit a matchup here and there.

O'Neal is nothing but a big body with 6 fouls to give.

It will be interesting to see how they work Nate Robinson into the rotation. Do they simply use him to spell Rondo? Or do they try to get them on the court together?

At this point, I think Nate might be the next best scoring option after Pierce on that team.

Posted by: p1funk | July 8, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone watch Modern Family?

If so, the lady who plays Ed O'neils wife
Sofia Vergara, google image that one.

I'd drink that chelada....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 8, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone watch Modern Family?

If so, the lady who plays Ed O'neils wife
Sofia Vergara, google image that one.

I'd drink that chelada....

Posted by: gatorskinz2000

http://chismetime.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sofia_vergara_01.jpg

Daaaayyyuumm Son! Thats what i call muthaheffin tizzight!

Posted by: Predator48 | July 8, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Daaaayyyuumm Son! Thats what i call muthaheffin tizzight!

Posted by: Predator48 | July 8, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

It appears she didnt get fired for being too hot.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 8, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Which co-worker would be worth the sexual harassment lawsuit?

a.)
http://chismetime.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/sofia_vergara_01.jpg

b.) http://www.thugvillage.com/media/general/news/831-bank-worker-fired-for-being-too-sexy

Moe rolls with the Nyrican bank chick 'a' in the tight black form fitting outfit.

I might not speak Spanish.

But I'm willing to learn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I might not speak Spanish.

But I'm willing to learn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I have to go with A, to back that up I submit this as evidence....

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/6786/sofia-vergara-perfect-ass.jpg

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 8, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to start watching Modern Family.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

A

most definitely A.

She could take a dump on my chest.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Schott was a victim of Snyder's little boy/shiny bauble phase. When Spurrier came on the market he couldn't resist the lure. If Schott had not been fired he would still have had to deal with Bug Eyes, a real problem when thinking he could succeed, considering the problems he had later on with AJ, a real GM.

Posted by: MrRed | July 8, 2010 2:22 PM

Just one thing Mr. Red...Marty fired Bug Eyes..Marty was team President and that was one of he 1st moves

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 8, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I might not speak Spanish.

But I'm willing to learn.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

There's more than one way to communicate.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to start watching Modern Family.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 8, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

She tends to be dressed in loosely flowing clothes on that show and in a bathing suit often.

Love her accent as well. Ed O'Neil's character is named Jay, but when it rolls off her tongue it sounds like Yay!!

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 8, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!
ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!

I scooped Redskins Insider!!!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | July 8, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

from PFT
Rocky McInstosh on Haynesworth: "A lot of guys are tired with the shenanigans"
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 8, 2010 3:15 PM ET
Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post's DC Sports Bog deserves some sort of award.

Every day, a new football personality plays whack-a-Haynesworth. And every day, Steinberg faithfully records the quotes, adding some clever spin to keep the whole exercise from growing repetitive or tiresome.

At PFT, we have no such qualms about growing repetitive or tiresome.

Today's anti-Albert comments come courtesy of Redskins linebacker Rocky McIntosh on the LaVar and Dukes Show. McIntosh referred to Haynesworth as "The one that hasn't been around" and then was asked if the team will welcome Haynesworth back.

"It all depends on [Haynesworth's] performance," McIntosh said. "If he does good, I think everything will go by smoothly. But if things don't turn out, I guess there's gonna be some turmoil in there, because a lot of guys are tired with the shenanigans that he brings along."

It's a great point that we haven't heard mentioned often. No one will give a crap about Haynesworth's offseason transgressions if the defensive tackle plays like he's capable of playing. Even the media.

In the meantime, we'll continue to pass along all this rare teammate-on-teammate crime when we see it.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Who the heck was/is Akili Smith?

Posted by: adhardwick | July 8, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

gatorskinz2000

http://img84.exs.cx/img84/6786/sofia-vergara-perfect-ass.jpg

I'd push her our of the bed so I could f!ck her on the floor.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Been saying it all along regarding Albert. If he's here and a beast, I don't care if he's happy.

And I really don't think this is a 3-4 issue, either.

I'm hoping Shanahan is playing chess on this one while Albert and his agent are still learning checkers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

"ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!"


***yawn***

A Pierce, like Marko Mitchell, will soon be coaching at a high school near you.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Pierce has signed to be an analyst for the Worldwide Leader.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Redskins never should have let him leave....biggest mistake EVER!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"Antonio Pierce has signed to (to work) for the Worldwide Leader."


So I guess this means now, Tony Heyward has a friend?

Well, that makes one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Pierce has signed to be an analyst for the Worldwide Leader.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

You see Chris, the key is, you take a revolver to the club. It's much less likely to go off in your sweatpants.

It's also key to remember, tuck it in the back, not the front. You want the cheek of the buttock to take the bullet, the front is a little risky.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"Ed O'Neil's character is named Jay, but when it rolls off her tongue it sounds like Yay!!"

If it was mine rollin' off her tongue, I'd be the one feelin' like "Yay!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

h8, I believe it was a 9mm, no one carries a revolver, unless they're serious old school.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Redskins never should have let him leave....biggest mistake EVER!!!

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, I think that was Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

beantown

"Redskins never should have let him leave....biggest mistake EVER!!!"

I'm still upset that Trung Candidate never got a full shot as starting running back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm still upset that Trung Candidate never got a full shot as starting running back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Trung had great speed, but LT could cover anyone in the slot. He would have been all-pro.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 8, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"At this point, I think Nate might be the next best scoring option after Pierce on that team."

That's what she said.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 8, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

On the subject of QB success: here's one SI.com writer's entertaining method for pickin' em:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/08/qb.rule/index.html?eref=sihp

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

noticed there was some ridiculous mini-debate about cows of different colors, missed it since I haven't been tracking the threads lately.

the short answer, is "yes" we all get along with each other.

proof of this should be evident from many generations of cross-breeding:

http://www.fluxiondesigns.com/TravelPhotos/colorfulcow.jpg

peace and love.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 8, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

noticed there was some ridiculous mini-debate about cows of different colors, missed it since I haven't been tracking the threads lately.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 8, 2010 5:07 PM

Do you think that Michael Vick could have avoided a lot of problems if he'd taken up bull fighting instead of dog fighting?

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 5:19 PM

do you think you would be more likely to get a reasonable response if you weren't a little more "anonymous" than those who stick with a single handle?

cheers, drip irrigation is working in a single sector... only five more to go.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 8, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

h8, I believe it was a 9mm, no one carries a revolver, unless they're serious old school.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

But revolvers are so bada$$

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"Trung had great speed, but LT could cover anyone in the slot. He would have been all-pro."

(INSERT mock serious tone)

Oh yeah, well, we all know about Leigh Torrance.

But another guy who got robbed was Chris Doering.

And we all know Rock Cartwright was a HOF'er in waiting.

And don't let me start beefing about the squandered chances we had with Christian Fauria.

The Geico Caveman Redskin fan (memba him?) wears his jersey to this day.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

do you think you would be more likely to get a reasonable response if you weren't a little more "anonymous" than those who stick with a single handle?

cheers, drip irrigation is working in a single sector... only five more to go.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 8, 2010 5:31 PM

You're funny. This is Redskins Insider and you're offering advice on how to get "a reasonable response"? "Yeah, you need an established handle that's pleasing to everyone...."

Good luck with your other sectors.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

h8, I believe it was a 9mm, no one carries a revolver, unless they're serious old school.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 8, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

But revolvers are so bada$$

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 8, 2010 5:34 PM

check out the arsenal from "For a Few Dollars More"... especially Colonel Mortimer's Buntline special w/ shoulder stock:

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/For_a_Few_Dollars_More

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 8, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 5:41 PM

thanks peeker... enjoy nonetheless.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 8, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

"On the subject of...success: here's one writer's entertaining method for pickin' em"

I dunno 'bout pickin' quarterbacks, but I pick up my best dates after they fall off the bar stool with the drink still in their hands.

Why?

'Cuz I'm all 'bout dat tight grip.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

So LeBron is holding a 1 hr special in Greenwich, Conn to take a massive dump on his hometown Cleveland, tonight's host NY, and Jay Z's Nets.

The cat is already out of the bag...He's going to Miami.

LeBron James has rented six cabanas at the W Hotel South Beach this weekend to celebrate his team decision, two sources confirm to UsMagazine.com.

The only catch is that he's got to give up the moniker of the King, because you can't be the king in D Wade's kingdom.

This is terrible for the NBA, would you have ever seen MJ, Bird, Magic, or Isaiah playing grab ass and agreeing to play on the same team.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 8, 2010 6:21 PM | Report abuse

method for picking QBs? Doesn't look like a good method to me.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

not an NBA fan, but it'll be interesting to see the Lakers play Miami in the finals next year. Can Kobe beat them all? If he does, the Jordan comparisons will have some real weight to them.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 8, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

For all you Bamas. Someone sent this to me....


A Redneck from Alabama walked into a bank in New York City and asked for the loan officer. He told the loan officer that he was going to Parisfor an international redneck festival for two weeks and needed to borrow $5,000 and that he was not a depositor of the bank.

The bank officer told him that the bank would need some form of security for the loan, so the Redneck handed over the keys to a new Ferrari. The car was parked on the street in front of the bank. The Redneck produced the title and everything checked out. The loan officer agreed to hold the car as collateral for the loan and apologized for having to charge 12% interest.

Later, the bank's president and its officers all enjoyed a good laugh at the Redneck from the south for using a $250,000 Ferrari as collateral for a $5,000 loan. An employee of the bank then drove the Ferrari into the bank's private underground garage and parked it.

Two weeks later, the Redneck returned, repaid the $5,000 and the interest of $23.07. The loan officer said, 'Sir, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out on Dunn & Bradstreet and found that you are a Distinguished Alumni from the University of Alabama, a highly sophisticated investor and Multi-Millionaire with real estate and financial interests all over the world. Your investments include a large number of wind turbines around Sweetwater, Texas . What puzzles us is, why would you bother to borrow $5,000?

The good 'ole Alabama boy replied, Where else in New York City can I park my car for two weeks for only $23.07 and expect it to be there when I return?

Posted by: TheCork | July 8, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"ANTONIO PIERCE RETIRES!"


***yawn***

A Pierce, like Marko Mitchell, will soon be coaching at a high school near you.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Don't look now, Moe, but your Schadenfreud is showing. Mr. Pierce is earning a nice fat paycheck from ESPN now. And you?

Posted by: TheCork | July 8, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Pierce is earning a nice fat paycheck from ESPN now. And you?

Posted by: TheCork | July 8, 2010 6:40 PM |

Doesn't ESPN have a quota on how many Redskin-haters they can employ? They are to the Redskins as Fox news is to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

James James James
Nets Nets Nets

James James James
Cavs Cavs Cavs

James James James
Knicks Knicks Knicks

James James James
Bulls Bulls Bulls

James James James
Heat Heat Heat

James James James
Clips Clips Clips

James James James
Wiz Wiz Wiz

James James James
Mavs Mavs Mavs

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

For all you Bamas. Someone sent this to me....

Posted by: TheCork | July 8, 2010 6:37 PM |

Not that funny. Our ears perked up when we saw the word Ferrari because we thought there was a AH angle to the joke but then it took a dive into the goo.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

One last chalk talk, highlighted by a TD catch from a certain WR..

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Inside-the-playbook-red-zone-passing-concepts.html

Posted by: TWISI | July 8, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm still upset that Trung Candidate never got a full shot as starting running back.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 4:57 PM |

Here's somethin' to cheer you up. Don't know nothin' about no Trung Candidate, but Trung Canidtate got a full Captain Morgan shot as a running back. And Trung Nguyen hopes running dogs like you try his gourmet coffee. It's delish!

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"method for picking QBs? Doesn't look like a good method to me.Posted by: zcezcest1"

I imagine it's in fun -- not serious. One of those weird correlations.

So it'll probably be used by 26 NFL teams in next year's draft.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 8, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't ESPN have a quota on how many Redskin-haters they can employ? They are to the Redskins as Fox news is to the Democratic Party.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 8, 2010 6:49 PM |

Don't know why you say that. Matt Moseley who does the NFL East blog for ESPN was a big-time Jason Campbell apologist.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

If London Fletcher wins one more Superbowl (he won one with St. Louis), does he ever get into the Hall?

He and Ray Lewis have the same numbers.

Although...If Chris Hanburger ain't in...London ain't gettin' in.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 8, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Black Bag...

Matt Mosely hates the Skins!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 8, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Matt Mosely hates the Skins!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 8, 2010 8:44 PM |

But he sure was sweet on JC when he was a Skins QB. And don't forget that ESPN hired Bug Eyes when Marty kicked him to the curb. Now Moseley having grown up in Texas and having been a beat reporter for the Cows is going automatic mean there is some bias, but taking that into account, ... . I think the balance is more like ESPN is Cow lovers, not Skins haters. There is a difference.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

He and Ray Lewis have the same numbers.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 8, 2010 8:43 PM |

You've got to be pulling our leg here. The only possible numbers that could be the same is uni #s.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

He and Ray Lewis have the same numbers.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 8, 2010 8:43 PM |

You've got to be pulling our leg here. The only possible numbers that could be the same is uni #s.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 9:11 PM |

Actually Fletcher has better numbers with less seasons. The only number that Lewis has more of is sacks. He has 6.5 more sacks with 2 more seasons.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 8, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis's Resume

11× Pro Bowl selection; (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009)
9× All-Pro selection (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009)
Super Bowl champion (XXXV)
Super Bowl XXXV MVP
2× AP NFL Defensive Player of Year (2000, 2003)
3× AFC Defensive Player Of The Year (2000, 2001, 2003)
2× NFL Alumni Linebacker Of The Year (1999, 2003)
2× All-American (1994, 1995)
Record 11 Pro Bowls for an Inside/Middle Linebacker[1]
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

Tackles 1770 (1349 Solo)
Sacks 36.5
Interceptions 28

London Fletcher-Baker's Resume

Super Bowl XXXIV Champion
1× Pro Bowl selection (2009)

Tackles 1,244
Sacks 30.0
Interceptions 15

I really like Fletch as a player and a person but rickyroge & scamp...What are you two talking about?

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 8, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, Ray only has two seasons (really only less than one season in terms of games played because Lewis has missed parts of two seasons because of injury) on LFB and and has 100 more tackles and almost twice as many INTs. And numbers aside, it's not really close between the two as far as impact on the game.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 8, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Just wanna chime in right quick:


Shouts to MistaMoe for calling it


F Lebron, F Wade, F Bosh, FFFFFFF the Miami Heat... and they in the Wizards division too???? Yeah Mother double F the Miami Heat!


I have a new favorite team to hate!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I really like Fletch as a player and a person but rickyroge & scamp...What are you two talking about?


Posted by: Diesel44 | July 8, 2010 9:49 PM

I was talking about real stats not those stupid a$$ voted on by morons stats. The one that matters most for a LB (in my opinion) and that is tackles.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 8, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

London Fletcher tackles: 1,244 873

Ray Lewis Tackles:1,045 754

Not sure where you got your numbers LH but this is from NFL.com

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 8, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

scamp,

Hard to ignore these "moron stats"

11× Pro Bowl selection; (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009)
9× All-Pro selection (1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2003, 2004, 2008, 2009)
Super Bowl champion (XXXV)
Super Bowl XXXV MVP
2× AP NFL Defensive Player of Year (2000, 2003)
3× AFC Defensive Player Of The Year (2000, 2001, 2003)
2× NFL Alumni Linebacker Of The Year (1999, 2003)
2× All-American (1994, 1995)
Record 11 Pro Bowls for an Inside/Middle Linebacker[1]
NFL 2000s All-Decade Team

I've never like the Ravens or Ray Ray, I cheered for them one time and that was when they were robbed by the refs against the Pats. It just seemed to me they played harder immediately after ST21's tragic death than our beloved skins. Ray is in the discussion as the GOAT at MLB and LFB is not.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 8, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

scamp-

see my previous post for the non "moron stats".

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 8, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

The NFL.com stats are wrong for both players. It doesn't list tackles for five seasons for Lewis and 3 for LFB. Look at the columns. Check Pro-Football Reference. And like I said above, Ray has two seasons were he play 5 and 6 games. So in terms of games played there isn't that much difference between the two and Ray's playmaking numbers dwarf LFB's.

And tackles schmackles. LFB is a great guy and all but he isn't in Lewis' class as a LB. Who cares that he makes a lot of tackles 5 and 10 yds beyond the line of scrimmage. It's not an accident his accomplishments haven't been recognized.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 8, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Dan snyder thought about calling the owner of the Heat to say "Good luck", I tried buying a championship but it didn't work for me.

Posted by: kingpenn1 | July 8, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

theCork

"Don't look now, Moe, but your Schadenfreude is showing. Mr. Pierce is earning a nice fat paycheck from ESPN now. And you?"

Antonio Pierce might be ESPN wealthy, but I am independantly upper middle class.

I'm not rich, but I know it's okay to pretend that I am, even though our tax brackets are separated by his having an amount of ones and zeros they've yet to give me.

He has fine automobiles and I ride shotgun in whatever mrsmoe lets me cruise along in.

Fine women pay the former NY Gaint Pierce attention, and I pay mrsmoe for what he gets for free, 'cept unlike his former team, my Big Blue is a pill I get from the local Walgreens.

His house is a mansion, and hopefully, I'll short sale mine to whatever mortgage company I've been dodging these past three months.

His life is good but mine is gooder.

Why?

'Cuz unlike him, I don't work for the Worldwide Leader in Hyping Sports.

ESPN is the channel I skip over on my way to the NFL/MLB/NBA Networks.

Basically, I'm just your everyday, ordinary financially comfortable Washington Redskins fan.

And I don't need to be paid a lot so long as my good life keeps on gettin' gooder.

HTTR, Mr. Pierce.

You used to be my favorite redskin middle linebacker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, I'll give some of those stats props but not ProBowl. That's a popularity contest. Fletcher is a quiet guy. Ray, well, not so much. I'm really not the one that put these 2 in the same catagory by the way. Fletcher is obviously the better character guy. Lewis is a monster.

LH, again, just going by what NFL.com says. If their not right, then I'm not right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 8, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

kingpenn

"I wonder if Dan snyder thought about calling the owner of the Heat to say "Good luck", I tried buying a championship but it didn't work for me."


You seem to forget that the Miami Heat already have a World Championship.

Dan Snyder is the one with the empty hands having spent so much money.

And if there's a sport where you can 'buy' a title, it's the NBA.

I mean, suddenly, the Cavs aren't contenders, and the about to be dismantled Celts in the East are pretenders.

Orlando now is what it has always been: a speed bump you hit after driving along the Turnpike for a couple of hours before getting to where you want to be.

And for Wade, Bosh, and James, that place to be is the Championship Circle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

LeBron's failure to win a title in Cleveland will pale in our memory beside his failure to win a title in Miami as a part of this friggin' "big three."

F LeBron James.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 8, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the core problem with these stats that tackles weren't tracked in the good ole days, much like sacks?
I like LFB a ton, he's the real deal as a football player, a worthy MLB, and a solid human being. Lewis is, to me, GOHE (greatest-of-his-era). But a lot of that boils down to being the right man put in the right position on the right team at the right time.

Posted by: daggar | July 8, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

nate

"LeBron's failure to win a title in Cleveland will pale in our memory beside his failure to win a title in Miami as a part of this friggin' "big three."

The NBA Network people say he'll sign a five year deal that he canopt out of after 3 years.

In other words, he's just 'cherry picking' the best talent situation for a couple of rings before moving on to NY.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Ray Lewis?

London Fletcher?

How is that even an argument when Patrick Willis is in the league?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 8, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

That was the first thing I thought of, Moe, that Miami would be a way station en route to Brooklyn.

I honestly hope LeBron James never wins a title, because I think he's a card-carrying deuchebag (any doubt about that having been obliterated by tonight's macabre spectacle), and I honestly think he doesn't care about winning a title as much as he'd like us to think he cares.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I love London Fletcher-Baker-Candlestickmaker, love him, but he ain't close to Ray Lewis. To claim otherwise is just silly.

I love silly, too, so there's that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

You've got to be pulling our leg here. The only possible numbers that could be the same is uni #s.

Posted by: BlackBagOps | July 8, 2010 9:11 PM |

Actually Fletcher has better numbers with less seasons. The only number that Lewis has more of is sacks. He has 6.5 more sacks with 2 more seasons.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 8, 2010 9:20 PM | Report

For the last time folks. The argument was that Fletcher's numbers were the same as Lewis's. According to NFL.com those numbers were very similar. No mention was ever made of pro bowls, defensive players of the year etc. etc. I never said that Fletcher was as good as Lewis only that his numbers were similar. NFL.com's stats backed that up. If they're wrong, I'm wrong. For the record I think Lewis is a better LB but I hate him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

scamp-

I think most including myself are just happy to discuss anything not Lebron or AH related.

I'm up early like bw26, however I'm up for a better reason than work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avaSdC0QOUM

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 9, 2010 4:29 AM | Report abuse

Haha Diesel, welcome to the graveyard shift. It's hard work, but somebody's gotta do it...

Pressing the pause button on Redskins talk a moment, this LeBron thing is a massive stroke of idiocy on his part...hard to be a "global icon" when you're not even the #1 guy on your own team. It shouldn't be a surprise this guy is such a blatant frontrunner when he's born and bred in Ohio yet roots for the Yankees and Cowboys, but to bail on the hometeam to be a sidekick in Miami is beyond lame. I sincerely hope he blows out a knee and watches his career disintegrate into irrelevance a la Tracy McGrady and Penny Hardaway...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Need some thoughts to chew on.

I once suggested that Selvish Capers will make the team only to come under fire with all the negative responses. Seems it was pooh-poohed by many back then. That said, where's all the negativity and how’s he looking so far? I still think he could stick with the team.

Anyone with a Cerrato brand on them has to be looking over their shoulder…The brand appears to be changing to a target.

How’s the Phoenix experiment going? Who’s working out with DMac? Any buzz on that? Isn’t VJax working out down there?

Stocked at the LB position, but are the converted lineman the prototypical size for a LB? It takes time to size down from lineman to linebacker. Will these guys be a hybrid type of linebacker? So I guess my main question is how have the players progressed with the transition? Too early to tell?

July 29th can’t get here fast enough.

Don’t get your undies in a knot…Just thoughts no more. Not poking anyone in the eye.

Posted by: camp_fodder | July 9, 2010 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Anyone with a Cerrato brand on them has to be looking over their shoulder…The brand appears to be changing to a target.

Posted by: camp_fodder | July 9, 2010 6:45 AM

Don't think that's how Allen or Shanahan see it. The only "brand" on these players is Redskins: burgundy and gold, not maroon and black. If a guy can play, he'll stay. They don't have targets. They need the best 53 they can get.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 9, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Man, this place is as dead as Cleveland's chances at a title without LeBron...

Damn, that was a cheap shot...even for me!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

For the last time folks. The argument was that Fletcher's numbers were the same as Lewis's. According to NFL.com those numbers were very similar. No mention was ever made of pro bowls, defensive players of the year etc. etc. I never said that Fletcher was as good as Lewis only that his numbers were similar. NFL.com's stats backed that up. If they're wrong, I'm wrong. For the record I think Lewis is a better LB but I hate him.

Posted by: scampbell1975

The HOF does not put players in based on statistics alone. You even admit he is not as good of a player as Lewis so I imagine that NFL writers probably feel the same way. They more than likely give Lewis and even greater edge as they are not Redskins fans and won't overvalue Fletcher's contributions to their favorite team.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

I once suggested that Selvish Capers will make the team only to come under fire with all the negative responses. Seems it was pooh-poohed by many back then. That said, where's all the negativity and how’s he looking so far? I still think he could stick with the team.

camp_fodder, that's what training camp is for, to see if players can play. Up until now, there has been very little contact. If Capers can play, he'll stick. If he is too raw, they will put him on practice squad. They like his athleticism, but TC will tell us if he is ready for the 53.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

heat wont make it past the celts next year in the playoffs....book that, not one player on that team is in any way interested in playing defense...

moe, post is reporting the yanks are really close to trading for Cliff Lee....

the extreme site had a twitter post from Ocho Cinco stating that #11 Devin Thomas was working out with him....while I'd rather he be in AZ with DMac, happy that he's working with someone like #85....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Man, this place is as dead as Cleveland's chances at a title without LeBron...

Damn, that was a cheap shot...even for me!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse


Man this place is as vacant as the Cavaliers trophy case DURING the LeBron years...

Ha! I like that one even better...

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

heat wont make it past the celts next year in the playoffs....book that, not one player on that team is in any way interested in playing defense...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 8:09 AM


Hope you're right, but I doubt that...seems to me that squad should easily win the East. Unless, of course, Dwight Howard learns how to shoot from outside of the key and gets Turkoglu back...

I just hope this thing backfires big time...even if he wins the next 8 titles in a row, LeBron will NEVER get within shouting distance of MJ's legacy for cherry picking a title with DWade...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Pierce has signed to be an analyst for the Worldwide Leader.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 8, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse


Great.

He can now join the ranks with Mark Schlereth as an ex-Skin with an axe to grind.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

brown, who is gonna make up the rest of that team?? Like I said, no one currently on the heat plays D, and D is what wins in the playoffs....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse


ESPN is now into broadcasting reality TV. Sad day for the NBA and ESPN. Now let's see if you can buy yourself a championship.

Posted by: hessone | July 9, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

LOL...well played, pfunk. Let's hope that trophy case in Miami doesn't have any of his fingerprints either....

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

I agree on the defense Greg, but that team is gonna put up a helluva lot of points. Haslem might be back (we know what he brings to the table) and I think they're making a run at Mike Miller as well, so that's the perimeter shooter they need. One more solid defender makes 'em even better.

Even still...who else is there in the East? Boston will still be good, but they're 50/50 to hold up health-wise for a full season/playoff run. Orlando isn't as good as they were when they got to the Finals and Cleveland is gonna blow chunks without LBJ there. I doubt they'd beat the Lakers, but the East is pretty much Miami's for the taking (as much as I hate to say it)...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Activision Blizzard Inc., the maker of "World of Warcraft," said Tuesday that a new rule will go into effect later this month.
Blizzard hopes that making people use their real names when posting messages in online forums will cut down on nasty behavior in these forums and create a more positive environment. Players will have the option – but not a requirement – to display the name of their main game character alongside their real name.

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Interesting...


Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

The only thing I care about re: LeTravel's decision:

OK, I'm really optimistic that Gilbert Arenas can now get shipped to the Knicks.

Even more so than the Cavs, I think the Knicks are the ones in danger of being viewed as the Biggest Loser in this big FA window.

Let's face it; the Cavs were either going to land LeBoohoo or they weren't. Everyone knew that was their one hope for remaining competitive, and now they can resume their traditional role of being an obscurity in the NBA landscape with no expectations.

The Knicks, on the other hand, have been lauded and puffed up as a contender-to-be that needs get its act together pronto. As it stands the Knicks are definitely behind the Heat, Magic, Celtics, Bulls, Hawks and probably behind a few other "middling" teams in the East. Bottom line: adding Amare and only Amare makes them 1st or 2nd round fodder in the playoffs and that's not good enough. That means adding another "star" to play along with Amare in D'antoni's system, especially since it seems like they were never really in the LeBron sweepstakes.

Desperation is in the air in New York...hopefully, the Wiz have found their window to seize on a franchise more desperate than them...

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Hope you're right, pfunk...I can't see another way someone will take Gil off our hands.

Chia, there's a reason why online gaming is anonymous...the first time somebody tracks down another guy and caps him because he's a sore loser, they'll be right back to granting anonymity to gamers. Although, it might not hurt on blogs like this one...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Miami Heat:


1 - ???
2 - Wade
3 - LeMonkey
4 - Bosh
5 - ???


6 - Miller
7 - Haslem
8 - Chalmers
9 - Butler(R)
10 - Pittman(R)
11 - Varnado(R)


So they have no legit point and no 5... yeah good look on winning that championship.


These fu_kers will NOT win a championship. EVER! Whose gonna distribute the pill? Whose gonna close out the paint and get boards? They virtually have no bench and no starting 1 or 5.

Say it with me: Hi-Eeep and O-Ver-Ray-Tid

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Let's welcome ESPN to the fraternity of once cool networks that have succumb to the pop culture machine.

ESPN, meet your new roommate, MTV.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

red, bingo....NAILED it......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

ESPN, meet your new roommate, MTV.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 8:57 AM


Exactly right. I just can't believe it took this LeBron telethon to get people to see what I've seen for years: SportsCenter = Access Hollywood.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

King James and D. Wade can't play defense??

Gotta lOve sports. How do two people watching the same thing see something different?

King James made the All-Defensive team this year and finished 4th in the defensive player of the year vote. He finished 2nd last year.

And Wade finished 10th this year in the vote and placed 3rd this year.

Of course all you have to do is actually watch them play and it shouldn't be no surprise. But I guess if ya don't like the guy...

Posted by: MimiAnsari | July 9, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

True, brownwood, true.

and I echo the sentiments over LeBoneHead James' decision to leave Cleveland for Miami.

One could argue that had he gone anywhere over Ohio, he should have chosen NY -- which would have represented a greater challenge and a bigger venue than Miami.

And I can't help but wonder IF the Heat are able to win their second NBA title with this new configuration of players, how LeBoneHead James might come to find out winning the title as a member of The Heat isn't as gratifying as it otherwise might have been, as a Cavalier.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

typo

...Wade placed 3rd LAST year.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | July 9, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

mimi, great so 2/5ths of your starting 5 can play d....um...what about the other 3 guys??

did you watch the playoffs?? The Celtics played good D....ray allen sacrificed his offensive game, to check Bryant, you really think that Wade/Debron is gonna do that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I've seen it coming for a while now, brown.

The LeBronathon was just the final straw.

They've ruined Monday Night Football. Ever since it to ESPN, the game itself has become less important than what's happening in the broadcast booth.

CSN >>>> ESPN.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Here's some actual football talk...camp previews from Fox Sports:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFC-East-pre-camp-preview-070710

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

mimi, great so 2/5ths of your starting 5 can play d....um...what about the other 3 guys??

did you watch the playoffs?? The Celtics played good D....ray allen sacrificed his offensive game, to check Bryant, you really think that Wade/Debron is gonna do that??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 9:09 AM

I agree about the team defense. I was just sayin that James and Wade are actually good defenders. But yeah I wouldn't give them a championship yet. Championship teams have Championship role players and depth.

Posted by: MimiAnsari | July 9, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Agreed, O_e...I'd actually take Fox Sports over ESPN, especially their radio product. How Mike and Mike keep a gig is beyond me...

Chia, I'll never understand how LeBron came up with the idea that being a Pippen-esque sidekick in Miami is better than being the top dawg in Cleveland. It's not like the Cavs are awful...they're contenders with him there. So bailing for Miami is criminally insane for a guy who so desires being a "global icon".

Hard to be a global icon when you're not even the go-to guy on your own team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The LeBron sage puts me to mind of this Steely Dan gem:
GLAMOR PROFESSION
6:05
Outside the stadium
Special delivery
For Hoops McCann
Brut and charisma
Poured from the shadow where he stood
Looking good
He's a crowd pleasing man
One on one
He's schoolyard superman
Crashing the backboard
He's Jungle Jim again
When it's all over
We'll make some calls from my car
We're a star
It's a glamour profession
The L.A. concession
Local boys will spend a quarter
Just to shine the silver bowl
Living hard will take its toll
Illegal fun
Under the sun

Posted by: bigbassdrum | July 9, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Err, make that the LeBron saga ....

Posted by: bigbassdrum | July 9, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

BOO LeBron James.
HOORAY Steely Dan!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I know I'm a thread or two late on this, but Tanya Snyder is a total MILF. That is all.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

NYC would have been more fertile ground for achieving "Global Icon" status.

Miami doesn't even take itself seriously. Why should anyone else?

South Beach?

Are you kidding me? All Miami has to offer are condos and cheezy nightclubs.

No grit there, no substance. All splash.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

LeBron missed an opportunity. He should have said, "Hell yeah I'm going' to Miami, I'm from freaking Cleveland." Instead, even the half-brained could deduce that every answer to every question had been practiced and he was about as sincere as Albert Haynesworth was when he said he'd do whatever the coaches wanted him to.

LeBron doesn't owe Cleveland an effing thing so he shouldn't act like it. That was the only part of his 'special' that rubbed me the wrong way.

HE LEFT FOR LESS. Who actually does that these days? Doesn't that one statement make it clear that he wants to go somewhere and win now? He did get luck though with the owner of the Cavs coming out and looking like a doosh crybaby whiner. Hope you had fun dude, now Cleveland is just plain 'ole Cleveland again. Welcome back to 5th place in the East!!!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

NPI, stop patting LBJ on the back for taking less...dude is going to FL, which has no income tax. Plus he SHOULD take less if he's gonna be anything less than the best player on the team. Which he's not, because that's clearly DWade's team. Taking the max salary to be a sidekick would be robbery of Haynesworth proportions.

And I'm not saying that they're right, but you've got to understand where Cleveland is coming from. LeBron was born and raised in their backyard. They view him as one of them. If they can't count on one of their own to stick around and get them their first title in almost 5 decades, then who can they count on?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Miami is a well-known global city due to its importance in finance, commerce, culture, media, fashion, education, film, print media, entertainment, the arts and international trade. Known as The Gateway to the Americas, Miami is an international center for entertainment, education, media, music, fashion, film, culture, print media, and the performing arts.

The city's central business district is home to the largest concentration of international banks in the United States as well as home to several corporate headquarters and television studios. Additionally, the metropolis' namesake port, the Port of Miami, is the busiest cruise ship passenger port in the world in both passenger traffic and cruise lines.

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LeBoneHead James did his research -- on wikipedia.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

So they have no legit point and no 5... yeah good look on winning that championship.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 8:56 AM

I don't follow the NBA closely, so I may be way off on this, but I thought I heard the Heat were interested in Tony Parker.

Posted by: TWISI | July 9, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Lo Alexander on the radio this morning saying he'll be OLB, DE, AND DT depending on the package they're in.

Have a feeling this guy's gonna have a big year.

Oh, and F the following: LeBron, AH, Dallas.

That is all.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 9, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

He did get luck though with the owner of the Cavs coming out and looking like a doosh crybaby whiner. Hope you had fun dude, now Cleveland is just plain 'ole Cleveland again. Welcome back to 5th place in the East!!!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse


You've got that right. That letter from the owner definitely had a drunk-dial vibe to it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"Sad day for the NBA and ESPN. Now let's see if you can buy yourself a championship."

Any kind of publicity that doesn't involve a player getting arrested or flunking a drug test, or a referee throwing games is good publicity. And a real "big three" in Miami instantly ratchets up interest around the league either because they hate James and want to see him fail, or they want to see how the three will fare on the same team. So, how was yesterday a bad day for the NBA?

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | July 9, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Lebron just wants to have fun.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

This NFLN "Best in the Biz" crap is a joke...DeSean Jackson tied for 5th best WR in the league with Randy Moss? Are you f-ing kidding me right now?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Re: Heat.

Wade and Bron can play D, and if they are willing to take less $$ to play and win championships, they are going to do what it takes to sacrifice their games to play D and win games.

At this point, they can find some folks at 1 and 5 that do nothing but play D.

Shoot, let's not kid ourselves, they could start me and the guy mowing my neighbor's lawn right now and they'd be contenders.

I think the real issue will be coaching. And getting those guys to play together in an NBA-way, not in an Olympics-way. LeBron has not had a real coach his entire NBA career.

Has Riley ordered the hit on the HEat's current coach yet?

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

That Terrence Austin kid could be the next DeSean Jackson.

(minus the bafoonery.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

BOO LeBron James.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:24 AM

So, how much are you asking for your LeBron Cleveland jersey on eBay?

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 9, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

This NFLN "Best in the Biz" crap is a joke...DeSean Jackson tied for 5th best WR in the league with Randy Moss? Are you f-ing kidding me right now?

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:43 AM

Gonna be fun watching him fall from grace without Dmac throwing to him.

Posted by: stevek20147 | July 9, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

brown, saw that last night....um paging Anquan Boldin....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, you need to learn to read. I mentioned that Bron Bron handled his announcement special the wrong way and that we, as in WE, have no real ground to stand on when criticizing him for rolling out of Cleveland. You say I am patting him on the back? Really? I mean, really?

Next, you try to create a reason as to why the Cleveland folk have a sound basis for expecting Bron to stay there? Dude, he's BEEN there for 25 years now, the last 7 as a pro with as many titles to show for it as you do. Why is it a knock against anyone who leaves their hometown to go chase the mountain top? "If they can't count on him {staying}" as you put it is flat retarded logic. There are no personal favors in the world of contracts my man. Learn that! Hell, this is a country where even the prospect of a successful marriage is a freaking coin flip.

Forget feelings dude, you can't predict outcome or expect outcomes based on what you feel someone else should feel. Wish the man well after 7 years and move the hell on....

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

For real, Greg...I could probably list 10 WRs better than DSJ. And that's just the NFC...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Has Riley ordered the hit on the HEat's current coach yet?

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


No, but you can bet that he'll be resigning to 'spend time with his family' very soon.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

He did get luck though with the owner of the Cavs coming out and looking like a doosh crybaby whiner. Hope you had fun dude, now Cleveland is just plain 'ole Cleveland again. Welcome back to 5th place in the East!!!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse


You've got that right. That letter from the owner definitely had a drunk-dial vibe to it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Dan Gilbert did precisely what he had to do.

He doesn't give half a lick how his open-letter looks to the world at large. After losing LeCrabDribble in free agency, the only thing on his mind is what he needs to do to prevent and angry mob from burning down Quicken Loans Arena.

His ONLY play was to express all the same kind of vitriol that he knows the average member of the Cleveland fanbase is feeling.

Seriously, what do you think would happening on Dan Gilbert's front lawn right now if he issued a statement that said:

"We were saddened that LeBron James decided to pursue his NBA career in another city. We are grateful for the years he gave this city and franchise, and wish him all the best moving forward."

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Love this quote from Rocky Mac:

"Man, it's take no prisoners," he said. "We're going on a Riddell Campaign. We're bringing it to cities around here: Philadelphia, New York, all these guys, man, and we ain't taking no prisoners. It's cutthroat, man. [Mike Shanahan] wants to win, he wants to win big, he wants to stop the run, and we're gonna stop the run and bring it on back."

C'mon July 29...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

So the Knicks trade David Lee to Golden State and get 3 forwards in return. The Knicks have also failed to re-sign their starting PG Chris Duhon...

...seems to me that the Knicks need to do something to bolster their backcourt with a player that fits D'Antoni's up-and-down "Just Score 100" system...

...I can think of a guy that could be made available

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Love this quote from Rocky Mac:

"Man, it's take no prisoners," he said. "We're going on a Riddell Campaign. We're bringing it to cities around here: Philadelphia, New York, all these guys, man, and we ain't taking no prisoners. It's cutthroat, man. [Mike Shanahan] wants to win, he wants to win big, he wants to stop the run, and we're gonna stop the run and bring it on back."

C'mon July 29...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


Yeah...hard stuff from Rocky.

But has he even signed his tender and gone to OTAs???

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

LeBoneHead James did his research -- on wikipedia.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Chia, I doubt if he can spell wikipedia.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

That Terrence Austin kid could be the next DeSean Jackson.

(minus the bafoonery.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Austin or Brandon Banks

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I LOVED the Jim Leland clip where he expressed his utter lack of concern about the who/where LeBron James would be signing with. In a matter of fact and "I'm surprised you're surprised" tone he mentioned he was more interested in where Shaq was going to sign.

Classic!

PS - Might Shaq be affordable enough and still desireable enough to be brought back to Miami? What about DC? He's only going to cost a couple mil.

I trust Teddy 'He-Owns-This' to make that decision though.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...hard stuff from Rocky.

But has he even signed his tender and gone to OTAs???

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Yes, he signed.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm hearing that Michael Wilbon was involved in the "Decision" telecast.

That's just perfect.

I can only imagine Wilbon milking up the scene like the plastic egotistical NBA/ESPN company-man that he is.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Geez, calm down NPI...I mean, at least be right if you're gonna kirk out on someone.

Your exact quote: "HE LEFT FOR LESS. Who actually does that these days? Doesn't that one statement make it clear that he wants to go somewhere and win now?"

Sounds a heckuva lot like you're giving him props for taking what shakes out to about $8 million less (working in the FL tax breaks).

And I didn't say that "Cleveland folk have a sound basis for expecting Bron to stay there"...quite the opposite. I said that considering the heartbreak that town has suffered for years and years and years, I UNDERSTAND why they're pissing and moaning. Not saying it's right that they do it, just saying that I understand. EXPECTING him to stay is living in a dream world, since all the signs have pointed to him leaving and his rooting interests (Cowpies, Yankees) make it obvious that he's a lifelong frontrunner.

Let's say the Wizards draft Kevin Durant 1st overall. He's a local product and an instant superstar. He gets the Wiz to the Finals, comes up short, but keeps the Wiz in contention on an annual basis, far better than anything we've seen in decades. Then he's a free agent. Walks out on a title contender to go chase a championship with a ready-made Chicago team. You're telling me (and I'm assuming you're a Wizards fan, right or wrong) that you wouldn't be upset by that?

Again...not saying that burning jerseys and a "drunk dialing" statement from the owner is called for, but I understand why that fanbase would be this upset.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Miami still won't get past Boston this year or next year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | July 9, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey REID. Wake up. How about some news.

Posted by: glawrence007 | July 9, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...hard stuff from Rocky.

But has he even signed his tender and gone to OTAs???

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:05 AM


He has. Signed injury waivers and everything to be there.

Just hope he has a meaningful role in the defense so he can back up this big talk...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I took DeSean Jackson in his rookie year in FF and that DBag cost me a TD when he spiked the ball on the 1-yard line.

In this day and age of 24/7 coverage and online chatter blogs, it's going to take an almost HOF career to not have that be his "signature moment" that the HOF losers need to be able to attach to you when considering you for Canton.

They hung that on Monk along with the rap that he never spoke to reporters like Peter "Burger" King.

Yo Petey, lighten up, they guy's last name was Monk after all.

Right about now I am jonesing for an inter squad scrimmage.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Miami still won't get past Boston this year or next year.

Posted by: Rypien11 | July 9, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse


Boston is done.

Kevin Garnett doesn't play offense anymore and Ray Allen's streaky performance in the Finals does not bode well. Their idea of bolstering the team was to add Jermaine O'Neal.

Rondo and Pierce cannot carry the team alone.

They can continue to stay relevant if they play tough defense, but their window of supremacy in the East is over.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon + Stuart Scott = unwatchable....just painful...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't follow the NBA closely, so I may be way off on this, but I thought I heard the Heat were interested in Tony Parker.

Posted by: TWISI

From what I hear, Parker will be a FA next year and has expressed interest in going to the Knicks.

brown, the jersey burning and the scorned lover like letter from Dan Gilbert were totally in line with LeBenedict jetting for Miami and are just an awesome thing, generally speaking.


F Lebron. All cot damn day!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Random question for anyone who knows: Has any progress been made towards signing McNabb to an extension? I remember somewhere that the Redskins were prohibited by an NFL rule from signing him back up before July sometime, but I couldn't tell you the specifics. Has an progress been made? I'd hate to see him leave after only 1 year after we gave up a 2nd rounder for him.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon + Stuart Scott = unwatchable....just painful...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse


Oh, but it gets better!

I hear that Jim Gray did the one-one with LeTravel!

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

From what I hear, Parker will be a FA next year and has expressed interest in going to the Knicks.

brown, the jersey burning and the scorned lover like letter from Dan Gilbert were totally in line with LeBenedict jetting for Miami and are just an awesome thing, generally speaking.


F Lebron. All cot damn day!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse
________

I know someone who used to work for the Spurs and based on what he's told me, Tony Parker isn't the type to take less money to go somewhere like the Heat.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I know someone who used to work for the Spurs and based on what he's told me, Tony Parker isn't the type to take less money to go somewhere like the Heat.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 10:27 AM

Yeah...but his wife is (Welcome to Miami playing in the background).

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

That Terrence Austin kid could be the next DeSean Jackson.

(minus the bafoonery.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Austin or Brandon Banks

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Before the NFL Desean was one of the best if not the best return men i have ever seen in college. pretty much singlehandedly beat USC at least once. If we get lucky with one of these kids it would be great but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...but his wife is (Welcome to Miami playing in the background).

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse
_______

Ha...in all seriousness, though, Eva is from San Antonio.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

from pft
Raiders waive Isaiah Ekejiuba
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 9, 2010 8:55 AM ET
The Oakland Raiders have said goodbye to one of their top special teams players.

Isaiah Ekejiuba, a linebacker who spent all five of his NFL seasons in Oakland, has been waived. The move was first announced by Ekejiuba on Twitter and has since been confirmed.

"Well Raider Nation, it was fun while it lasted," Ekejiuba tweeted. "Sure you'll be hearing soon enough I just got waived by the team. Thanx for all the support!"

Ekejiuba was born in Nigeria, came to the United States when his mother got a job at the United Nations, became a walk-on wide receiver at Virginia despite never playing high school football and caught on with the Raiders in 2005, first on the practice squad and then on the active roster.

6'4", 240, 28 years old. Played at Virginia. Supposedly was a standout special teamer. Do we need him?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...but his wife is (Welcome to Miami playing in the background).

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse
_______

Ha...in all seriousness, though, Eva is from San Antonio.


So if TP decides to roll out to Miami, with Eva Longoria hold her own "I'm jetting from my hometown" special?

At least most of us WOULD watch that.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...but his wife is (Welcome to Miami playing in the background).

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse
_______

Ha...in all seriousness, though, Eva is from San Antonio.


So if TP decides to roll out to Miami, would Eva Longoria hold her own "I'm jetting from my hometown" special?

At least most of us WOULD watch that.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Re: Lebron James - He is not an Alpha-Dog.....Point Blank. So he had to team up with 2 other cats with stronger personalaties. And this move shows he is comfortable in his own skin of being a follower.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

" a real "big three" in Miami instantly ratchets up interest around the league either because they hate James and want to see him fail, or they want to see how the three will fare on the same team. So, how was yesterday a bad day for the NBA?Posted by: rufus_t_firefly"

I'd say you're right. Marketing stats insist the pro leagues do best in both attendance and viewership when there's a dominant team, the way the Bulls were at one point. It isn't just the presence of superstars -- it's a team that the rest of the league can beat its head against.

David Stern may not know James' scoring average, but he knows those $$$ numbers by heart.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Random question for anyone who knows: Has any progress been made towards signing McNabb to an extension? I remember somewhere that the Redskins were prohibited by an NFL rule from signing him back up before July sometime, but I couldn't tell you the specifics. Has an progress been made? I'd hate to see him leave after only 1 year after we gave up a 2nd rounder for him.

Posted by: skinsfan713
Has not been signed. The only thing they can do is give him an extension of 2 or 3 years that goes into effect after this season. They are better off waiting to see how he does this season as well as the signing of new collective bargaining agreement.

If they sign him to a 3 year extension and there is a lockout next year he would be year older in the last year of that contract. He also could not be good this year which would drive the deal down. There was not much of a market for him when he was being traded so I would not be worried about him going elsehwere. He will want a chance to win and if the Redskins are not looking good going into next year they are better not resigning him anyway.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

6'4", 240, 28 years old. Played at Virginia. Supposedly was a standout special teamer. Do we need him?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 10:37 AM


Need? No. Could we use him? Absolutely.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Random question for anyone who knows: Has any progress been made towards signing McNabb to an extension? I remember somewhere that the Redskins were prohibited by an NFL rule from signing him back up before July sometime, but I couldn't tell you the specifics. Has an progress been made? I'd hate to see him leave after only 1 year after we gave up a 2nd rounder for him.

Posted by: skinsfan713
Has not been signed. The only thing they can do is give him an extension of 2 or 3 years that goes into effect after this season. They are better off waiting to see how he does this season as well as the signing of new collective bargaining agreement.

If they sign him to a 3 year extension and there is a lockout next year he would be year older in the last year of that contract. He also could not be good this year which would drive the deal down. There was not much of a market for him when he was being traded so I would not be worried about him going elsehwere. He will want a chance to win and if the Redskins are not looking good going into next year they are better not resigning him anyway.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 10:48 AM |

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. Well put SROBERT.

Now, please tell me the clock hasn't started on the Jake Locker hunt!!!!!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Worry about McNabb's contract = power rankings = "Best in the Biz"

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"So the Knicks trade David Lee to Golden State and get 3 forwards in return. The Knicks have also failed to re-sign their starting PG Chris Duhon..."


Select the 'chumped' NBA franchise now the free agency-BRON-BRON circus is leaving town:

a.) The Knicks

b.) The Bulls

c.) The Nets

d.) The Cavs

e.) The Heat

f.) ?


Moe rolls with the pie-in-the-face New York Suckerbockers 'a' who let fine players (Channing Frye, Nate Robertson)leave hoping to create cap space to get a guy who already had plenty of money.

Telling LeBron James he could be a billionaire by playing in New York is something he obviously didn't want to do as so F-ing bad as James Dolan and Mike D'Antoni had hoped.

The Knicks' franchise has been in sports' Hell every since it let Latrell Sprewell grace the historic basketball palace that is Madison Square Garden.

And, after all their great plans to add one of the league's best players in LeBron James failed, it's safe to say the Knicks choked, once again, at the chance to return to greatness.

Mr. Dolan, you can begin wiping that pie off you face now.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 9, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Re: Lebron James - He is not an Alpha-Dog.....Point Blank. So he had to team up with 2 other cats with stronger personalaties. And this move shows he is comfortable in his own skin of being a follower.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse


Wade is the alpha on that team. Bosh is a 2nd banana at best. The idea that he's on the same level as those other guys was as contrived as anything Lebron's camp did.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Lebron is a typical Generation Y kid. He took what he believes to be the easiest road to what he wants. He probably isn't really interested in being the man. He grew up in a time when everybody has to be treated equally. Everyone makes the team. Everyone on the team has to play. Heartbreak is to be avoided at all cost. If you bring a treat to school to share you have to bring enough for everybody not just the kids you like. Everyone gets a Valentines Day card. Young people today are soft and don't want to have to bust their butt to achieve anything. Like Crazy Dan Gilbert said, some people want to go to heaven but don't want to die to get there.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I will always associate Jim Gray with that Q&A he did with Pete Rose, then being dissed by one of the Yankees because of his deuchebaggery questioning of Pete Rose.

Jim Gray = Asshat

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

OE, I always thought that. He's a guy getting great numbers on a bad team a la Antawn Jamison.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I'm stealing your "Suckerbockers" remark...that's LOL funny right there, dude!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow...did anyone else see this?


Jeremy Green arrested on child porn, drug charges
Posted by Michael David Smith on July 9, 2010 7:22 AM ET
ESPN NFL analyst Jeremy Green has been arrested in Bristol, Connecticut, and charged with first-degree possession of child pornography, possession of narcotics and possession of drug paraphernalia, the Hartford Courant is reporting.

Green, the 38-year-old son of former NFL coach Dennis Green, was arrested at a hotel near ESPN's headquarters at about 5 p.m. Thursday and placed into custody on $750,000 cash bail.

Police did not release any more information about the arrest.

Green's ESPN.com bio says he is director of pro scouting for Scouts Inc., an 11-year NFL scout and a former director of pro personnel for the Cleveland Browns.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

all you need to know about the franchise formerly known as the knicks......they sent Isiah Thomas to Cleveland to lure Lebron.....

Isiah..Thomas........

I mean....if thats not the most galactically stupid move of the year, I'm not sure what is.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the Knicks are losers, particularly long term. They're still in a position to improve their team. Frye, a 7 ft 3 pt shooter, and Robinson, an immature headcase, weren't going to lift them to anything. If Melo, doesn't extend his deal in Denver he could be a Knick. If they add him and Parker to Amar'e they are a contender.

The Cavs on the other hand are stuck. They have a lot of money on the books and no hope of getting anybody to fill half of what they lost in Lebron.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

all you need to know about the franchise formerly known as the knicks......they sent Isiah Thomas to Cleveland to lure Lebron.....

Isiah..Thomas........

I mean....if thats not the most galactically stupid move of the year, I'm not sure what is.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 11:11 AM

Is this true??? This can't possibly be true...I mean, NOBODY is that stupid, right? RIGHT???

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

brown, its too unbelievable to be made up....

from the NY Daily News:

When the Knicks knew they needed to make one final desperate plea to bring LeBron James to New York, James Dolan called upon his most trusted basketball executive to carry out the order.

Isiah Thomas.

In a bizarre twist to what has been a surreal eight days in the recruitment of James, the Knicks out-sourced the job of selling James on New York to a former president who was fired two years ago following a sexual harassment trial.

The News has learned that Dolan, the Chairman of Madison Square Garden, made the decision to send Thomas instead of head coach Mike D'Antoni. That move suggests that Dolan felt his team's initial presentation to James last Thursday fell flat. It also suggests that Thomas still has influence within the organization, and it raises questions about whether Dolan still has faith in team president Donnie Walsh and D'Antoni.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Is this true??? This can't possibly be true...I mean, NOBODY is that stupid, right? RIGHT???

Posted by: brownwood26

Yes there is.

Florida International University.


Just saw they went 7-25 last year. SEVEN and TWENTY-FIVE.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm innocent. I'm very innocent...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The teams that "lost out" in the Free Agency sweepstakes may have won in the long term.

The CBA is expiring and the players have the leverage, thanks to the idiotic spending spree this summer. The owners are going to get raped on the next deal and the teams that have these huge contracts on the books might just be SOL for a long time.

I think teams like the Wiz were smart to play it conservative with cheap, short term deals and see how things play out in 2011.

Time will tell.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Young people today are soft and don't want to have to bust their butt to achieve anything. Like Crazy Dan Gilbert said, some people want to go to heaven but don't want to die to get there.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:03 AM

Wow......Just take a blinded right hook to all of us Gen 'Y'ers, huh?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Lebron is a typical Generation Y kid. He took what he believes to be the easiest road to what he wants. He probably isn't really interested in being the man. He grew up in a time when everybody has to be treated equally. Everyone makes the team. Everyone on the team has to play. Heartbreak is to be avoided at all cost. If you bring a treat to school to share you have to bring enough for everybody not just the kids you like. Everyone gets a Valentines Day card. Young people today are soft and don't want to have to bust their butt to achieve anything. Like Crazy Dan Gilbert said, some people want to go to heaven but don't want to die to get there.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

And you walked 10 miles through 3 ft of snow just to get to school. Good for you

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Greg. Wow.

That's like us sending Vinny to recruit McNabb from Philly...hess and everyone else can say what they want about Snyder, but even HE isn't THAT retarded...

I mean, if that's not a sign of the apocolypse, I'm not sure what is...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

And you walked 10 miles through 3 ft of snow just to get to school. Good for you

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 11:35 AM


I know...I could just see the blog taking a turn for the worst:

"Walk? You could walk? We had to CRAWL to school when I was your age!"

"Crawl? You had legs? We were just chest cavities on skateboards when I was your age!"

This really could go on forever...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Lebron is a typical Generation Y kid"

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:03 AM |

Yeah, as in W-H-Y. I know, I know this makes me sound old at 39 but this current batch of young people really make me feel even less like the d-bag I was accused of being by the old heads from my teen and adolescent years.

Basically, they are doing NOTHING new, just abbreviating and applying ebonics to everything.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

A man bearing a striking resemblence to LeBron James is robbing banks left and right in PG County.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/matt-zapotosky/man-suspected-in-four-bank-rob.html

This could be easily be the same man claiming to be his biological father:

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/leicester_bryce_stovell_2#tab=most_recent

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

And you walked 10 miles through 3 ft of snow just to get to school. Good for you

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Uphill! Both ways! Without socks!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Cue the 'Redskins trading for Revis' talk in 3...2...

From PFT:

Report: Darrelle Revis prepared to hold out past August 10
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 9, 2010 11:13 AM ET
With time waning before training camp and no progress apparent in negotiations, Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis' camp is ratcheting up the rhetoric.

Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News writes that Revis is "fully prepared" to hold out of training camp and isn't worried about the 30-day rule that could put Revis at risk of losing an accrued season towards free agency. Translation: Revis says he's ready to hold out past August 10 if he doesn't get a deal.

"Simply put, Revis isn't bluffing," Mehta writes.

D'Brickashaw Ferguson's contract extension is ultimately irrelevant here, unless it frees up time for the Jets front office to start making concessions to Revis.

Ultimately, we expect the issue to get resolved before the season, probably with a new deal. But Revis will likely have to follow through with his holdout threat to get there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I rode the school bus and schools were closed when it was that much snow. If what I said doesn't apply to you keep it moving. And I'm not some old guy who hates "the kids today." I'm just amazed that a guy believed to be the one of the two best players in the game would chose to go be a second fiddle.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I mean....if thats not the most galactically stupid move of the year, I'm not sure what is.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 11:11 AM

Is this true??? This can't possibly be true...I mean, NOBODY is that stupid, right? RIGHT???

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 11:18 AM

I'd nominate the team that chose Kwame Brown with the #1 pick in the draft.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 9, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Note to Dan GIlbert:

Not all people who die go to heaven.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

And you walked 10 miles through 3 ft of snow just to get to school. Good for you

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 11:35 AM

And had used paper bags as shoes.....And plastic bags as snow shoes. And shared them with 4 brothers. All of who slept on one sets of bunk beds.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Actually, this whole heaven and hell concept is up for debate.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Mike Florio, in Sporting News:


"Mike Shanahan, Redskins
The former Broncos coach faces the highest expectations, due both to his past accomplishments (two Super Bowl wins) and the team's "win-now" offseason moves. The biggest of these moves resulted in the highest nudging of the bar north — the trade for quarterback Donovan McNabb.

But the Redskins remain in the most competitive division in the league. Move them to the NFC West, and they become the instant favorites. In the NFC East, it'll be a challenge to get out of the basement.

That doesn't mean the fan base (or the owner) will settle for another fourth-place finish. In the days when all teams squat on a 0-0 record, optimism builds. And bringing in a guy like McNabb will make the locals expect the Redskins to contend for a wild-card berth.

Complicating matters has been the ill-advised decision to shift from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4. The Redskins had the personnel for a 4-3, and the defense wasn't the problem in 2009. Changing philosophies already has proven to be a mistake, given that defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth has seized on the shift to support a boycott of the offseason program and a public attempt to get out of town.

In the end, Shanahan likely needs to get close to .500, if not above it, to be regarded a success in Year One. Given that six games will be played within the division, that may be too tall an order."

Read more: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-07-09/how-success-for-nfls-three-first-year-head-coaches-will-be-measured#ixzz0tCXcPRIq

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

We didn't even have a school to walk to. We just went outside and walked uphill in the snow for no reason and we liked it because it was all we had!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Just joking wit your oldself LH.....Remember...It's July.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, this whole heaven and hell concept is up for debate.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight. Now you're saying that its meaningless to tell someone to go "straight to he!!?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I rode the school bus and schools were closed when it was that much snow. If what I said doesn't apply to you keep it moving. And I'm not some old guy who hates "the kids today." I'm just amazed that a guy believed to be the one of the two best players in the game would chose to go be a second fiddle.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

you know what you wrote has been written about every generation in someway.

Anyways, I hope you enjoyed your walk around the mall this morning.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

fritz, your post just gave hessone the go-ahead to lob his daily "$nyder sucks, things will never change" grenade onto the blog. I'd give it about 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I was SURE LeBron would sign with the Clippers...or Redskins.

Biggest lesson learned media fans. Give a huge exclusive to one outlet (ESPN) and you royally PO everyone else who does NOT have the exclusive.

Media are competitive and vindictive and LBJ is suffering their wrath.

Oh that and the fact he was a dooch toward the good burgers of cleveland.

Why do people pay good money to attend NBA games. It's more and more ane xhibition league, with only a small handful of teams competitive anymore.

Kinda like baseball.

Posted by: TheCork | July 9, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Love that Learned Hand is taking a turn as the curmudgeon-of-the-moment up here.

Speaking of feeling old, one of my high school classmates (class of 1990, twentieth reunion next weekend) has a one-year-old grandson. This guy can't be older than 39, and he has a grandson! Friggin' blows my mind. Different strokes for different folks and all that, but wow.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Can you feel the Heat, it's in my sooooouuuullll
Can you feel the Heat, they're outta controoollllll....

Go HEAT! I used to play for the Heat.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

fritz, your post just gave hessone the go-ahead to lob his daily "$nyder sucks, things will never change" grenade onto the blog. I'd give it about 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 9, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse
my bad

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 12:04 PM

No I don't know that. This everybody is a winner sjk is for losers and it started with this generation. Heartbreak and disappointment are a part of life. Better to experience it young and learn to cope with it. That's why suicide and attempts and use of anti-depressent drugs among young people have increased.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Actually, this whole heaven and hell concept is up for debate.

Posted by: Chia_Pet |

Ya think? The Physics geniuses (who can't explain Gravity, Dark Matter or why they are dateless on Saturday night) have discovered-- Ooops!--they might be a little off on the orbit of electrons circling protons in Hydrogen atoms. Apparently by about 4%. To a physics geek, this is a HUGE diff. Now they are checking their data and their math and trying to decide "what it all means."

Then you have the wackaloon folk who say Dinosaurs and man walked together, kind of like the Flintstones, or the Tom Cruise brigade who say we all came from Flying saucer people who invaded our volcanoes, and you realize the ONLY side that's defendable on Darwin vs Creationism is: Agnosticism.

Doesn't mean you can't have Faith there is a God, or you can't believe science will prove we all came from Goldfish, but in point of fact WE DON'T KNOW what's on the other side.

Me? I'm hoping for cheesecake, good whiskey and a very forgiving Divinity.

Posted by: TheCork | July 9, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz

In my opinion Florio's post is spot on.

The Eagles trading of McNabb reminds me of when Baltimore traded for McNair. Only difference was that Baltimore had a better team and played in an easier division. Bengals and Browns were awful.

If you look at the team without a fan's bias you understand that success is not guaranteed.

Redskins fans assume all of the team's moves are going to workout. Examples: Twilliams is going to be able to hold up as a LT from day one. Very hard for any first year player to do. Brown is going to recover from injury and be a very good player. There is a reason the Saints traded him for nothing. Good move by skins because no risk. Counting on Maake and Carriker to come back from injuries and be the backbone of the Dline is questionable. 3 over the hill rbs have 1 more good year in them. They assume that McNabb is going to pick up the offense and gel with the receivers right out of the gate. Also believe that Moss is still a difference maker despite being mediocre for quite some time.

On top of believing everything the skins are doing is going to workout they believe that all of the decisions and additions made by other teams in the division will fail. Like the Eagles are going to be bad because they decided to trade McNabb within the division. As if fans no better than the Eagles who will make their team better.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Babies havin' babies, Nate? The best way to get a lil' sister?... make her yourself. Dohp!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh that and the fact he was a dooch toward the good burgers of cleveland.

Posted by: TheCork | July 9, 2010 12:15 PM |

Which ones? The ones at BK or Mickey D's?Jesus. Don't you know the diff between burgers and burghers as in "The Burghers of Calais"? Just goes to show that poster KenBeatass was right. The RI blog is only semi-literate.

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion Florio's post is spot on.

The Eagles trading of McNabb reminds me of when Baltimore traded for McNair. Only difference was that Baltimore had a better team and played in an easier division. Bengals and Browns were awful.

If you look at the team without a fan's bias you understand that success is not guaranteed.

Redskins fans assume all of the team's moves are going to workout. Examples: Twilliams is going to be able to hold up as a LT from day one. Very hard for any first year player to do. Brown is going to recover from injury and be a very good player. There is a reason the Saints traded him for nothing. Good move by skins because no risk. Counting on Maake and Carriker to come back from injuries and be the backbone of the Dline is questionable. 3 over the hill rbs have 1 more good year in them. They assume that McNabb is going to pick up the offense and gel with the receivers right out of the gate. Also believe that Moss is still a difference maker despite being mediocre for quite some time.

On top of believing everything the skins are doing is going to workout they believe that all of the decisions and additions made by other teams in the division will fail. Like the Eagles are going to be bad because they decided to trade McNabb within the division. As if fans no better than the Eagles who will make their team better.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

That's why we have a preseason, to drink the kool-ade!

Actually, srob, you make a lot of good points. BUT, JZ is no longer HC, and VC is no longer GM.

The Iggles are probably weaker, at least for 2010.

And it won't take much to win 4 more games than 2009. With better game management, we were close to going 8-8 last year.

So I think it is not unreasonable to hope to be in every game, and finish 8-8. With a little luck, even 14-2. :)

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

That's why suicide and attempts and use of anti-depressent drugs among young people have increased.

Posted by: learnedhand1

It's the reason that "everyone is a winner" these days. People who feel or were actually slighted earlier in life climb clock-towers with high powered rifles later in life.


But yeah, I agree with you. The "win or lose, we all still get pizza" crap is definitely for losers.


Black and White
[if you are under 40 you most likely will not understand]

You could hardly see for all the snow,
Spread the rabbit ears as far as they go.
Pull a chair up to the TV set,
"Good Night, David. Good Night, Chet."

Depending on the channel you tuned,
You got Rob and Laura - or Ward and June.
It felt so good. It felt so right.
Life looked better in black and white.

I Love Lucy, The Real McCoys,
Dennis the Menace, the Cleaver boys,
Rawhide, Gunsmoke, Wagon Train,
Superman, Jimmy and Lois Lane.

Father Knows Best, Patty Duke,
Rin Tin Tin and Lassie too,
Donna Reed on Thursday night! --
Life looked better in black and white.

I wanna go back to black and white.
Everything always turned out right.
Simple people, simple lives...
Good guys always won the fights.

Now nothing is the way it seems,
In living color on the TV screen.
Too many murders, too many fights,
I wanna go back to black and white.

In God they trusted, and with one wife they slept,
A promise made was a promise kept.
They never cussed or broke their vows.
They'd never make the network now.

But if I could, I'd rather be
In a TV town in '53.
It felt so good. It felt so right.
Life looked better in black and white.

I'd trade all the channels on the satellite,
If I could just turn back the clock tonight
To when everybody knew wrong from right.
Life was better in black and white!

Share this with someone turning 40, or older, and brighten their day by helping them to remember that life's most simple pleasures are very often the best!

learnedhand, your're welcome.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This guy can't be older than 39, and he has a grandson! Friggin' blows my mind.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:18 PM |

Let me help you with the math. When he is 19, a normal chib bearing age, he has a son or daughter. Nineteen years later, again at a normal chib bearing age, that son or daughter has a son.

19 + 19 = 38

38 ~ 39

Hopefully this clears things up!

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

BTW I agree with you about that attitude.

Just don't think LeBron James represents an entire generation's thinking.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 12:38 PM |

Hey, we live in a fractured society. We just have to learn to deal with it. We should be able to go our separate ways and still get along. But it will be a challenge.

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

ChinaLake, I pretty much understand the mechanics of our species' fertility and baby-making. I know it's possible, but it's just difficult for me to contemplate having a grandchild at my age. How my life would have been if I'd had a kid at what to me seems like a very early age, as my classmate obviously did.

I'm 36, and my kids are 2 and 6, and while I kind of wish I'd "gotten started earlier" I can't get my head around being my current age and having an adult child and a grandchild.

A typically dopey point for me to raise. Just makin' conversation up here. As another person noted, it's July.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Red, that's not for me. I want to see murder and fights on my TV.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Better Question.

Worst Washington Post Sports Writer of All Time

* Sally Jenkins
* Mike Wise
* Tracee Hamilton
* Michael Wilbon
* Thomas Boswell
* Jason Reid
* Jason La Canfora
* Other (please comment)

Posted by: nomolehill | July 9, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

There goes the enigmatic RedDMV again, defying any preconceptions of who he may or may not be.

My vote is Rick Doc Walker, but who knows?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins is horrible, the worst ever.

and to call Jason Reid a "writer" is a stretch.

Nothing but love, respect, and admiration for LaCanfora.

Wilbon is also respectable, insightful, sometimes funny.

Boswell and Wise I just don't know...

Kornheiser is a gas.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

* Other (please comment)

Posted by: nomolehill | July 9, 2010 12:50 PM |

Kornheiser - did you pick up my dry cleaning?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I know everyone is still peeved at Wilbon for his Sean Taylor comments, but the dude has cool.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I know it's possible, but it's just difficult for me to contemplate having a grandchild at my age.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:47 PM |

I see your point. And it could be worse. Your classmate could be starting a second family. So his second set of chibs will be aunts and uncles to someone (his grandson) who is older than them? Sheesh.

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

LeBron is the biggest egotistical, narcissistic @#$% out there and I think we can all safely assume that we are rooting against them. But, I don't think we have to root too hard. Time and time have proven that the Sports Gods usually find away to make things happen. Did anyone order an ACL tear??? When the Patriots were making a mockery of Defenses and putting up 50 points on everyone, what happened? The Giants came in and made them 18-1. Don't laugh in the face of the Sports Gods, they will smite you and I have a feeling LBJ, Wade and Bosh have made the Gods very angry. Very angry indeed.

Posted by: C-DubDC | July 9, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Hannah Storm in a horrifying, horrifying outfit today. She's got on red go-go boots and a catholic school plaid skirt. Way too short for somebody in her 40s or maybe early 50s by now. And she's got on her typically very, very tight shirt. So she looks like she's got sausage casing wrapping around her upper body. I mean, I know she's very good, and I'm not supposed to be critical of ESPN people, so I won't ... But, Hannah Storm, come on now! Stop! What are you doing? ... [She's] what I would call a Holden Caulfield fantasy at this point.

—Tony Kornheiser

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion Florio's post is spot on.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 12:24 PM |

Florio picked the Redskins to win the Super Bowl last season. His analysis is not worth the electrons it's printed on.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 9, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that former Kentucky star and Bullets player has died from a self inflicted gunshot wound.

SAD

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that former Kentucky star and Bullets player Mel Turpin has died from a self inflicted gunshot wound.

SAD

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of being 39 [looking in mirror] and feeling old...found out earlier that the parents of "What in the hell is a" Justin Bieber are both younger than me.

Posted by: 4-12 | July 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Only question I had was "Who the heck is Holden Caulfield?"

but now I know.

and then reread Catcher in the Rye.

Fantastic novel, and a nice short read.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins in a blowout...

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 12:24 PM

Here''s the thing. Talent wasn't our problem in 2009. It was the coach. He didn't have an approach that worked. Not in play design, not in motivating guys, not in teaching, not in game prep, not in preseason, not in practice, not in managing a game, etc.

The same Debacle '09 team, under Shanahan, would have been a winning team.

So TW is going to have his issues at LT. Shanahan will plan for it. So injuries could bite us. Welcome to the NFL, it happens. But we're clearly deeper than we were last year on the OL, where injuries hurt the most.

Does McNair compare to McNabb, or is Warren Moon a better comparison? Not a huge fan of the McNabb move, but I can't find ANY reason to think the guy will suck. He's been a good QB on teams with marginal talent surrounding him for mot of his career.

As for the 3-4, yeah, I don't agree with the move. But we have serious talent on a veteran defense with a veteran DC who knows what he's doing. There is downside risk, but its not a lot.

To use a race car analogy, the Skins had a pretty good car last year, but a terrible driver. Well, this year, the car is better and the driver is among the very best. That's not drinking kool-aid, that's being objective.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:06 PM |

Does she still dress that way? Did she ever dress that way? Did her wardrobe selection change at all after Kornholer's dastardly comments?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

I dunno about you, but I look in the mirror and I don't see a 39 year old man at all.

You going gray?

Any hair left at all?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

ChinaLake, I pretty much understand the mechanics of our species' fertility and baby-making. I know it's possible, but it's just difficult for me to contemplate having a grandchild at my age. How my life would have been if I'd had a kid at what to me seems like a very early age, as my classmate obviously did.
I'm 36, and my kids are 2 and 6, and while I kind of wish I'd "gotten started earlier" I can't get my head around being my current age and having an adult child and a grandchild.
A typically dopey point for me to raise. Just makin' conversation up here. As another person noted, it's July.
Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 12:47 PM

I’m with you Nate. I’m 41, married, but don’t have kids (not planning on it). Wifey and I seem to be slowly losing touch with all of our pals who are always too busy with their kids (not that there’s anything wrong with that of course). But we have a couple of friends, our age (43 and 41), who we are reconnecting with because their daughter just graduated college and moved to Vermont. Can’t imagine being this age and having a child who is already so grown up (and could make you a grandpa).

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 9, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

RedD - that was amazing. But it leaves out perhaps the best that Black & White had to offer - Night of the Living Dead ;]


I hope you catch my drift on that one, basically that the best part of that era was awakening from it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

LeBron is the biggest egotistical, narcissistic @#$% out there and I think we can all safely assume that we are rooting against them. But, I don't think we have to root too hard. Time and time have proven that the Sports Gods usually find away to make things happen. Did anyone order an ACL tear??? When the Patriots were making a mockery of Defenses and putting up 50 points on everyone, what happened? The Giants came in and made them 18-1. Don't laugh in the face of the Sports Gods, they will smite you and I have a feeling LBJ, Wade and Bosh have made the Gods very angry. Very angry indeed.

Posted by: C-DubDC | July 9, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

My favorite part of that was when LeBron said something about "All he's done for the city of Cleveland."

Like what? Choking out in the playoffs, getting swept in the Finals, checking out against Boston?

Yeah LeBron, you have cemented a legacy there, and now you are more loved in Cleveland than Jim Brown.

Why don't they just build a statue of him, or make a LeBron holiday? Perhaps on this holiday we could all wear sunglasses indoors.

Such a tool....iH8lebronjames

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Chia, still got my hair...but the forehead is a little bigger. Ahem.
Also, didn't we have a classmate who was preggers when we graduated in '88? Can't imagine being 39, and having a kid graduating from college....

Posted by: 4-12 | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Sally Jenkins looks like every gym teacher I ever had growing up.

She probably dated all of them too.

I usually like Wilbon and believe he is a great balance to TK. He certainly is more level-headed than Stewey 'lazy eye' Scott. I am not going to go as far as some of those that see him as a sellout - I just don't see him that way.

I am not very impressed with Mike Wise but I did like Tom Friend.

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Here''s the thing. Talent wasn't our problem in 2009. It was the coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse


We lacked talent on the Oline on the entire right side, and then at the tackle spots and RG when Samuels went down.

We did not have a very talented QB.

We had 1 talented wide receiver.

Whatever talent Clinton Portis had was mitigated by bone spurs and a horrible work ethic, Ladell Betts is not very talented, and by the end of the season we were starting someone named "Quinton Ganther".

Seriously...we lacked talent last year.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

LH, I'm with you on the 'everybody's a winner' syndrome.

I fkcing hate when other parents look at me like they want to call social services because I won't buy my son a trophy after a winless soccer season that was deemed successfull because all the kids managed to not drop trou and pee on the field all season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

RI: Where middle-aged men go to die.

Posted by: C-DubDC | July 9, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

The flip side of this discussion on Kiidz is if you wait like Mrs. Shuttle & I, well... Would you rather be a 1st time grandparent at 41 or at 72??!!

Thank God my folks kept healthy, but I've gotta get my SJK in shape to keep up w/ Shuttlette.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

If you really want to hear about it, the first thing you'll probably want to know is where I was born and what my lousy childhood was like, and how my parents were occupied and all before they had me, and all that David Copperfield kind of crap, but I don't feel like going into it, if you want to know the truth.

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Unfamiliar with the word "chib" as slang for child. Apparently in Scotland it means knife, akin to shiv. Interesting.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 9, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yep, 4-12 I remember who you're talking about.

The dad's name was Steve and her name was Kelly?

and nothing will age a person faster than stress.

so everybody chill out and be nice to each other and if possible marry a woman at least 15 years your junior!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Actually, may want to skip the marriage part.

That can kill a man if it ain't right.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

LH, I'm with you on the 'everybody's a winner' syndrome.

I fkcing hate when other parents look at me like they want to call social services because I won't buy my son a trophy after a winless soccer season that was deemed successfull because all the kids managed to not drop trou and pee on the field all season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I never got a trophy for being on a crappy little league team. But I hated baseball, and spent most of the time picking my nose in rightfield. Basketball is a different story.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

RI: Where middle-aged men go to die.

Posted by: C-DubDC | July 9, 2010 1:23 PM |

And lie too. About what they could do with some bimbo everytime somebody posts a bootylicious link.

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

4-12,

Were we on the same soccer team?

I have some hazy memories of this.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Why the Redskins could have a winning record:

1) EXPERIENCE- front office, coach, and QB.
2) Stronger O-line with adequate depth (Remember, the Packers' Oline sucked but they had a very good QB and receivers)
3) Running game

Why the Redskins could have a losing season

1) New Defense
2) Unknown depth in the secondary(corner) .
3) Injuries (that's any team)

I still don't get why the Eagles get the benefit of the doubt with a QB with 2 starts.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

And lie too. About what they could do with some bimbo everytime somebody posts a bootylicious link.

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

AHAHAHAHAHA. It's funny because it's true.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Link? Who's gotta bootylicious link? j/k. Ugg, I hate the summer -- not for the heat, but the lack of sports to talk about!!!

Posted by: C-DubDC | July 9, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

That Terrence Austin kid could be the next DeSean Jackson.

(minus the bafoonery.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Can you back that up by comparing college statistics? Cause I'm pretty sure without looking that DeSean was the better college prospect.

Posted by: Devo2 | July 9, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I never got a trophy for being on a crappy little league team. But I hated baseball, and spent most of the time picking my nose in rightfield. Basketball is a different story.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:32 PM

Is your real name Ozzie Canseco?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

LH, I'm with you on the 'everybody's a winner' syndrome.

I fkcing hate when other parents look at me like they want to call social services because I won't buy my son a trophy after a winless soccer season that was deemed successfull because all the kids managed to not drop trou and pee on the field all season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Depends on the age...as you get older, playing sport takes on a different meaning which is winning. If you're over 10 and you have a winless season, you ain't gettin' jack.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

That Terrence Austin kid could be the next DeSean Jackson.

(minus the bafoonery.)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | July 9, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse


I'd be happy if he turned out to be the next not Randle-El.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, the best WaPo writer is Boswell, and its not even close. Heck, I don't follow baseball, but I'll read Boswell because his writing is just that good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 9, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse


I'd be happy if he turned out to be the next not Randle-El.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM

I could be the next Randel El. How hard is spinning around twice and falling down?

PAY ME BIZNATCH!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm...don't remember the futbol Chia. Let's check our trophies, since we grew up in the real man era and only got them for winning. Oh wait...we played soccer. Scratch the 'real man' comment.

Posted by: 4-12 | July 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I never got a trophy for being on a crappy little league team. But I hated baseball, and spent most of the time picking my nose in rightfield. Basketball is a different story.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:32 PM

Is your real name Ozzie Canseco?

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

No, but some of my fondest memories are staring off into space, while my dad screamed "Get in the Game!!!!"

Then a flyball would land by my feet. Baseball was just so boring, basketball is much better.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

And lie too. About what they could do with some bimbo everytime somebody posts a bootylicious link.

Posted by: ChinaLake

With all the male enhancement products out there on the market you can get your bone on as long as the ticker enables you. Thing is with the middle-aged dudes, most likely they're married, so it's waxing the same ass for all eternity for them.


Not knocking the institution of marriage but IMO that's the part that sucks.

RI: Where middle-aged men go to die.

Posted by: C-DubDC

Has anyone seen Talent_Evaluator/League_Source/Beep-Beep around? Or has he assumed the role of "old, but new reg"?

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's "Babes in Peril" series:

1. Erin Andrews in "Through a Peephole"

2. Hannah Storm in "Dressing for Success"

3. ?

Who's next? They do know how to keep the pot stirred, don't they?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Hey, can anyone confirm that Albert Haynesworth was sent to Russia in that spy swap deal?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 9, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

With all the male enhancement products out there on the market ...

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 1:49 PM |

Can you believe that two-time SB winner, two-time college football championship winner Jimmy Johnson has stooped to the level of doing Extenze commercials? What is this world coming to?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

winless soccer season that was deemed successfull because all the kids managed to not drop trou and pee on the field all season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse


Depends on the age...as you get older, playing sport takes on a different meaning which is winning. If you're over 10 and you have a winless season, you ain't gettin' jack.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

That's especially true as you get to be older(as in senior league). And by that I mean getting through the season without at least one accident on the playing field.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 9, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

With all the male enhancement products out there on the market you can get your bone on as long as the ticker enables you.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 1:49 PM |

It is sad but true that medical science has solved the problem of the limp dick but has made very little if any headway in finding a cure cancer. Whats next for them? Curing baldness?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Baseball was just so boring, basketball is much better.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

As someone who wanted to play PG but was forced to play PF/C I couldn't disagree more.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM |

I'm willing to bet they get a plaque or ribbon of some sort just for participating.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

It is sad but true that medical science has solved the problem of the limp dick but has made very little if any headway in finding a cure cancer. Whats next for them? Curing baldness?
Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 2:03 PM

You’ve seen Star Trek Next generation, right? They could cure everything with a little shot to the neck. But Picard was bald…curing baldness just isn’t in the cards.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Baseball was just so boring, basketball is much better.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

As someone who wanted to play PG but was forced to play PF/C I couldn't disagree more.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I played the 1 and the 2. Too small to play 3,4 or 5.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

You’ve seen Star Trek Next generation, right? They could cure everything with a little shot to the neck. But Picard was bald…curing baldness just isn’t in the cards.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 9, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse


You are way off.

Piccard was the anti-Kirk...real captains don't need hair.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's "Babes in Peril" series:

1. Erin Andrews in "Through a Peephole"

2. Hannah Storm in "Dressing for Success"

3. ?

Who's next? They do know how to keep the pot stirred, don't they?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Sage Steele in "I thought this was a sports network when I took this job."

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's "Babes in Peril" series:

1. Erin Andrews in "Through a Peephole"

2. Hannah Storm in "Dressing for Success"

3. ?

Who's next? They do know how to keep the pot stirred, don't they?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Sage Steele in "I thought this was a sports network when I took this job."

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Is old guy RI blogging over with yet? Can us 30 & unders come back over?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's "Babes in Peril" series:

1. Erin Andrews in "Through a Peephole"

2. Hannah Storm in "Dressing for Success"

3. ?

Who's next? They do know how to keep the pot stirred, don't they?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Sage Steele in "I thought this was a sports network when I took this job."

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

ESPN's "Babes in Peril" series:

1. Erin Andrews in "Through a Peephole"

2. Hannah Storm in "Dressing for Success"

3. ?

Who's next? They do know how to keep the pot stirred, don't they?

Posted by: ChinaLake | July 9, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse


Sage Steele in "I thought this was a sports network when I took this job."

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

What is that amazon's name who does the mid-morning show?

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Is old guy RI blogging over with yet? Can us 30 & unders come back over?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Only if you have burned all trophies given for anything other than 1st place.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Only if you have burned all trophies given for anything other than 1st place.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | July 9, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse


Ricky Bobby: Wait, Dad. Don't you remember the time you told me "If you ain't first, you're last"?

Reese Bobby: Huh? What are you talking about, Son?

Ricky Bobby: That day at school.

Reese Bobby: Oh hell, son, I was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth... hell you can even be fifth.

Ricky Bobby: What? I've lived my whole life by that!

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I would assume "Chib" is short for "Chiblings" which according to Webster is another word for nieces & nephews... as in siblings' kids.

I always thought Chiblings came from some commedian's misprnounciation of Children... though I can't remember who & google is no help. Anyone? .... Beuhler?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

You under 30's are us waiting to happen... that's the best joke of all. huhuhuhuh

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Is old guy RI blogging over with yet? Can us 30 & unders come back over?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 9, 2010 2:24 PM

Slippers, check. Metamucil, check. Tucked in for nap time, check. Yup, we're all done, 4th.

Posted by: 4-12 | July 9, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"Shut up you little potlicker, I oughta put you in a microwave”

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 9, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think it's awesome that Tim Tebow jersey's are so hot right now.

The last Urban Meyer phenom QB was Alex Smith and we all know how much he has lit it up for the 49ers.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | July 9, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/7/9/1560734/is-terrell-owens-an-option-if

Terrell's quote when asked about playing for the Skins this year follows:

"Well you know what? That's definitely something that was on the radar, and if that's a possibility and they want to bring me in and make that happen then I'm open arms to it. And I think Donovan has come out and said that things that have happened in the past were sometimes overblown in the media. It's surprising how it takes some years to go by for things like that to come out, but Donovan and I, we're friends now...I think going to Washington and playing with him obviously would be a good thing because I feel that their team is really on the cusp of getting to the playoffs and making things happen."

Posted by: TWISI | July 9, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

What is that amazon's name who does the mid-morning show?

Posted by: iH8dallas

Reishda Canidate...she the bomb!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Reisheda Candidate...my bad

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Prof,
I think Tebow's populatirty is based upon other factors than his play. Alex's was purely on his status as USC's hot shot, right?

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Duh - Utes - srry .... at this age & all... whar's mah cane?! dahmn kids get off mah lawhn....

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 9, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

And tebow wasn't even the first pick

Posted by: Vicc | July 9, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Why the Redskins could have a winning record:

1) EXPERIENCE- front office, coach, and QB.
2) Stronger O-line with adequate depth (Remember, the Packers' Oline sucked but they had a very good QB and receivers)
3) Running game

Why the Redskins could have a losing season

1) New Defense
2) Unknown depth in the secondary(corner) .
3) Injuries (that's any team)

I still don't get why the Eagles get the benefit of the doubt with a QB with 2 starts.

Posted by: rickyroge
Front office is good reason why the team should have long term success but they can only do so much in one off season.

Packers Oline nearly got Aaron Rodgers killed. If the skins line plays like that they won't reach .500 and McNabb will be in for an early retirement. They also have stronger receivers and rbs. I do not think highly of the over the hill gang. If this was 3 years ago the Redskins would have a strong backfield.

I am taking a I will believe it when I see it approach with the oline. Therefore I will believe their running game is strong when it actually produces. Throwing together a couple of backups(Hicks, Williams) a throw away former pro bowler(Brown) and an aging center in front of couple of broken down old backs does not translate into a strong running game. Maybe it will come together and surprise but it is hardly a foregone conclusion.


Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The LeBron hatred on this blog is hilarious. Guess his splacking of the Wizards EVERY time they made it to the playoffs have really tweaked some feelings. And don't give me this crap it's because "he's too arrogant." He dogged your mama's and now you're crying...too phukin' funny. Never heard so much crying disguised as macho, righteous, indignation in my life. Pathetic. But yea, it's because he's so full of his self. Sure it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I am taking a I will believe it when I see it approach with the oline. Therefore I will believe their running game is strong when it actually produces. Throwing together a couple of backups(Hicks, Williams) a throw away former pro bowler(Brown) and an aging center in front of couple of broken down old backs does not translate into a strong running game. Maybe it will come together and surprise but it is hardly a foregone conclusion.


Posted by: srobert111
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yup! especially with a strong schedule.

Posted by: ProfessorWrightBSU | July 9, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The LeBron hatred on this blog is hilarious. Guess his splacking of the Wizards EVERY time they made it to the playoffs have really tweaked some feelings. And don't give me this crap it's because "he's too arrogant." He dogged your mama's and now you're crying...too phukin' funny. Never heard so much crying disguised as macho, righteous, indignation in my life. Pathetic. But yea, it's because he's so full of his self. Shure it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:07 PM
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+1

Well done.

Posted by: Vicc | July 9, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

The LeBron hatred on this blog is hilarious. Guess his splacking of the Wizards EVERY time they made it to the playoffs have really tweaked some feelings. And don't give me this crap it's because "he's too arrogant." He dogged your mama's and now you're crying...too phukin' funny. Never heard so much crying disguised as macho, righteous, indignation in my life. Pathetic. But yea, it's because he's so full of his self. Sure it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Thank you Scampbell1975....these haters are non-stop with their BS...dude owes Cleveland nothing...he accepted a job in Miami..we all should be so lucky as to have our choice of who to work for....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Depends on the age...as you get older, playing sport takes on a different meaning which is winning. If you're over 10 and you have a winless season, you ain't gettin' jack.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 1:42 PM

the funny thing is that as you get older, it eventually reverts to participation and overall enjoyment rather than winning.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 9, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

3 out of 4 30ish year old running backs are a complete flop. Out stategy should be to sign one more.

Posted by: nomolehill | July 9, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

The LeBron hatred on this blog is hilarious. Guess his splacking of the Wizards EVERY time they made it to the playoffs have really tweaked some feelings. And don't give me this crap it's because "he's too arrogant." He dogged your mama's and now you're crying...too phukin' funny. Never heard so much crying disguised as macho, righteous, indignation in my life. Pathetic. But yea, it's because he's so full of his self. Shure it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:07 PM
_______

Oh, good heavens. He's an sjk, pure and simple, and the way that he left the Cavs was incredibly egotistical and classless. I lost alot of respect for him. He's one of the most narcissitic athletes that's come around in a long time, and you'll never convince me otherwise. I actually feel sorry for Clevland fans today - the hometown hero just treated them really, really badly.

And by the way, my team has 17 titles and is the 2-time defending champion, so the hurt feelings you speak of don't apply to me.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

And by the way, my team has 17 titles and is the 2-time defending champion, so the hurt feelings you speak of don't apply to me.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse
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16, not 17. I was fast forwarding to June, 2011 in my head - sorry Celtics fans.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 2:59 PM |

You missed it both times. First and last name. There's no "d" in her first name and only one "d" in her last name. Yes she's fine (and married).

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 9, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh, good heavens. He's an sjk, pure and simple, and the way that he left the Cavs was incredibly egotistical and classless. I lost alot of respect for him. He's one of the most narcissitic athletes that's come around in a long time, and you'll never convince me otherwise. I actually feel sorry for Clevland fans today - the hometown hero just treated them really, really badly.

And by the way, my team has 17 titles and is the 2-time defending champion, so the hurt feelings you speak of don't apply to me.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 4:24 PM

Whatever, he didn't owe Cleveland anything. He may be an arrogant ass but that's not why the majority of the people on here are railing against him. You are in the minority of the people that have no skin in the game. I guess you must hate Kobe too if you just hate people for being narcissistic. Must of hated Shaq while he was there too. Now I'll here some lame ass excuse why Kobe is different because he didn't bail on his team. That's BS and you know it. If they weren't winning and doing everything they could to bring in people, players, and coaches to win he would bail too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

scamp -

a - You're correct
2 - Read yesterday's Bog entry about Wiz fans. We were just ahead of the curve.
d - didn't you post your address on the blog to invite RedDMV up for ashwoopin?

Perhaps you should not speak out against false bravado.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 2:59 PM |

You missed it both times. First and last name. There's no "d" in her first name and only one "d" in her last name. Yes she's fine (and married).

Posted by: learnedhand1

thank you learnedhand...i learned something

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I bet a lot more of you were thinking the poll winner was going to be Art Schlichter.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | July 9, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

scamp -

a - You're correct
2 - Read yesterday's Bog entry about Wiz fans. We were just ahead of the curve.
d - didn't you post your address on the blog to invite RedDMV up for ashwoopin?

Perhaps you should not speak out against false bravado.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

oh how quickly people forget the context. See, red had threatened me on several occasions and then posted his supposed address. When I told him I wouldn't be in that area I then posted mine in return so he could reciprocate. So yes, I posted it. There was nothing false about it I assure you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Whatever, he didn't owe Cleveland anything. He may be an arrogant ass but that's not why the majority of the people on here are railing against him. You are in the minority of the people that have no skin in the game. I guess you must hate Kobe too if you just hate people for being narcissistic. Must of hated Shaq while he was there too. Now I'll here some lame ass excuse why Kobe is different because he didn't bail on his team. That's BS and you know it. If they weren't winning and doing everything they could to bring in people, players, and coaches to win he would bail too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse
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No lame excuse from me. Kobe's arrogant, and I don't care. He's not my role model and he's not my friend or family member. I only care about what he does for the Lakers on the court, and, yes it is a BIG point with me and all Laker fans that Kobe did, in fact, stick with the team when he could have bailed out in 2006 to what appeared at the time to be arguably better circumstances. Same with Shaq - I appreciate his contributions to the team and those 3 titles, and I didn't care at the time what kind of guy he was, although he burned his bridges as one of the beloved Lakers in the eyes of the fans by mouthing off after he left. If Albert Haynesworht comes back to the Skins and plays like a beast, I'll root for him to, regardless of what kind of guy he is, 'cause I'm a fan of teams, not individual players.

And by the way, I never said that I hate LBJ, although I can understand why Cleveland fans would.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'll take your word for it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I'll take your word for it.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 9, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

No lame excuse from me. Kobe's arrogant, and I don't care. He's not my role model and he's not my friend or family member. I only care about what he does for the Lakers on the court, and, yes it is a BIG point with me and all Laker fans that Kobe did, in fact, stick with the team when he could have bailed out in 2006 to what appeared at the time to be arguably better circumstances. Same with Shaq - I appreciate his contributions to the team and those 3 titles, and I didn't care at the time what kind of guy he was, although he burned his bridges as one of the beloved Lakers in the eyes of the fans by mouthing off after he left. If Albert Haynesworht comes back to the Skins and plays like a beast, I'll root for him to, regardless of what kind of guy he is, 'cause I'm a fan of teams, not individual players.

And by the way, I never said that I hate LBJ, although I can understand why Cleveland fans would.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 9, 2010 4:49 PM |

Cool man. At least you're not a hypocrit.

And yes O_E, unless you care to go back and look at the posts I guess you have to. I'm sure there are plenty on here that remember it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Personally I don't care one way or another what LeBron does. Miami will be fun to watch though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"they call us Generation X...i say we're Generation F*** you..."

Posted by: terrapin3 | July 9, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm in my 30's and I'm pretty sure my day was much sweeter than the rest of you suckers..

40 fish pulled from the beautiful Chesapeake Bay. Croakers, Blues, Stripers, & and a few Perch.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 9, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 9, 2010 5:48 PM

good stuff diesel... miss stripers and bluefish, all over the bay but mostly Tangier Sound and vicinity. Idaho is a pretty different style of fishing! fall was was my favorite time for that, but enjoy it whenever/wherever you can.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 9, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

The LeBron hatred on this blog is hilarious. Guess his splacking of the Wizards EVERY time they made it to the playoffs have really tweaked some feelings. And don't give me this crap it's because "he's too arrogant." He dogged your mama's and now you're crying...too phukin' funny. Never heard so much crying disguised as macho, righteous, indignation in my life. Pathetic. But yea, it's because he's so full of his self. Sure it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The Wiz have been getting schellacked by alot of people, but disliking LeBron has little to do with that.

He represents much of what I have grown to dislike in the NBA (with Gilbert Arenas filling out the other part) -

He's a me-first, prima donna, self-proclaimed Chosen One Witness the King who has won absolutely squat and went out of the playoffs like total punk who grimaces and whines about not getting a call everytime he misses a bucket even thought he's offensive-charging half the time in the lane and never gets called.

"Arrogance" isn't the issue. Michael Jordan was an arrogant donkey - and deservedly so considering how he single-handedly transformed no-account Chicago into Title-City during his prime.

With LeBron it's not "arrogance", it's "brattiness".

He's big pro-athlete brat, and this whole "The Decision" schtick on ESPN is just a comical snapshot of what he's become.

I don't know scamp...you're from Ohio, right? You just strike me as a Cleveland fan who was up late crying last night into his pillow after the "Decision"...it appears the Wiz fans aren't the only ones up here with some tweaked feelings

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

BRISTOL, Conn. — Jeremy Green, an analyst for ESPN and son of former NFL coach Dennis Green, has been arrested on a child pornography charge in Connecticut.

Bristol police say Green was picked up on Thursday around 5 p.m. in a Southington hotel and charged with possession of child pornography, possession of narcotics and possession of drug paraphernalia.

He was being held on a $750,000 bond. Police are not releasing details and say the warrant is sealed.

There was no telephone listing for Green at his address in Bristol, and it was not immediately clear whether he had a lawyer.

ESPN spokesman Mike Soltys says Green has worked since 2005 as a contributor to ESPN.com. The company had no immediate comment on the arrest.

This has certainly been a banner day for "The Worldwide Leader".

Posted by: MColeman51 | July 9, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"I still don't get why the Eagles get the benefit of the doubt with a QB with 2 starts.
Posted by: rickyroge"

Kolb's a high percentage short passer who is used to making quick decisions about where to throw. That's the sort the WCO was initially designed for, not the McNabb type. Along with his 4 TDs in two starts, he did throw 3 INTs and fumble twice, so that's a concern. But I contend the main reason they shuffled McNabb off to Washington was to take advantage of his relatively high trade value -- something that might not be there at the end of next season.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

No problem with Lebron going to Miami...but the way he did it was classless. He could have simply told Cleveland, that he planned to move on when he knew what he was going to do.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

"I fkcing hate when other parents look at me like they want to call social services because I won't buy my son a trophy after a winless soccer season that was deemed successfull because all the kids managed to not drop trou and pee on the field all season.Posted by: Original_etrod"

LOL after all, you never got one, right?

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Samson...

I just think the Eagles get way too much of a pass for a team that's never won a SuperBowl.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Diesel...

Croakers are by far my favorite food fish...Bluefish, not so much because you gotta cut out that gray strip. But Blues and Stripers are the most fun to catch.

Stuffed Striper can't be beat either.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rickyroge | July 9, 2010 7:17 PM

amen for stripers... aside from salmon or tuna, one of the best to catch and eat.

as usual, other may have different opinions here.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 9, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't know scamp...you're from Ohio, right? You just strike me as a Cleveland fan who was up late crying last night into his pillow after the "Decision"...it appears the Wiz fans aren't the only ones up here with some tweaked feelings

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 6:05 PM |

For the 5th time. I was born in Fairfax Hospital, lived in Herndon, Falls Church, and Alexandria for most of my young life. I only lived in Ohio for 5 years after spending 18 years in Atlanta, Savannah, Jesup and Statesboro, GA for 18 years. I could care less about the Cavs, LeBron, or the NBA. You strike me as the kind of guy that's blindly firing insults cuz LeBron has bruised your vag 1 too many times. But nice try though.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

You mutha phukers are so full of sh!t it's coming oout of your fingertips now. You whiners were crying about LeBron long before this end of the season clown carousel was began. He's a mron for all this sure, but you're morons for expecting anyone to believe all the reasons you give for your hate. Just come clean like men, you hate him because he spanked you whiners repeatedly and you can't do anything but cry about it. Ha frickin' ha.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I only lived in Ohio for 5 years after spending 18 years in Atlanta, Savannah, Jesup and Statesboro, GA for 18 years.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 7:35 PM

this is for you scamp, cheers and hope the left coast is treating you right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JToo3iwTOso

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 9, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Very nice moo, love me some Allman Brothers. Statesboro blues is right. Ain't nothin' in that town but a college, a couple of bars and a bunch of cow/mushroom fields. Although after visiting those fields you didn't much care what else was around.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

You mutha phukers are so full of sh!t it's coming oout of your fingertips now. You whiners were crying about LeBron long before this end of the season clown carousel was began. He's a mron for all this sure, but you're morons for expecting anyone to believe all the reasons you give for your hate. Just come clean like men, you hate him because he spanked you whiners repeatedly and you can't do anything but cry about it. Ha frickin' ha.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse


Dude...who are you Chris Crocker?? Is Lebron your Brittney Spears or something??

The whole friggin nation is ripping LeBron to high heaven today. Random NBA GMs are busting on him; other players are calling him out. Has there ever been a bigger "backfire" moment in sports than the LeBacle from last night.

Why are you so ruffled up about raggin on LeBaby...he brought this on himself...

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"I still don't get why the Eagles get the benefit of the doubt with a QB with 2 starts.
Posted by: rickyroge"

Kolb's a high percentage short passer who is used to making quick decisions about where to throw. That's the sort the WCO was initially designed for, not the McNabb type. Along with his 4 TDs in two starts, he did throw 3 INTs and fumble twice, so that's a concern. But I contend the main reason they shuffled McNabb off to Washington was to take advantage of his relatively high trade value -- something that might not be there at the end of next season.

No one is giving the Eagles a pass. They are a fairly well run organization that has seen a lot of success the last 10 years. They don't just trade McNabb and go with Kolb if they do not truly believe that there would not be that much of a drop off. They could have easily kept both of them for another year. They also traded McNabb within the division. The Eagles are one team I could see the team finishing ahead of in the East. I do think aside from the QB position the Eagles are stronger at every other offensive grouping. Also feel at least early in the year their defense will be better. Mainly because the skins are installing a new defense and if AH is not playing at a high level that makes the defense much weaker.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"They also traded McNabb within the division. The Eagles are one team I could see the team finishing ahead of in the East. I do think aside from the QB position the Eagles are stronger at every other offensive grouping. Also feel at least early in the year their defense will be better. Mainly because the skins are installing a new defense and if AH is not playing at a high level that makes the defense much weaker.Posted by: srobert1117"

Andy Reid has never been one to fear trading within his own division, if that's here he can get the best deal. Don't forget this is a team that turned over more players from last year's roster than any club in the NFL.

It's a rebuilding scenario. They're hoping it turns out for the best.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Why are you so ruffled up about raggin on LeBaby...he brought this on himself...

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 8:05 PM |

Rip on him all you want. I could care less. I just think it's funny that a whole Redskins board has spent 2 days whining about this sorry MF and using every lame ass excuse they can think of when the real reason is so transparent. I do like all the different names that you guys have come up with for him though. Some are pretty original.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Kolb's a high percentage short passer who is used to making quick decisions about where to throw. That's the sort the WCO was initially designed for, not the McNabb type...
Posted by: srobert1117 | July 9, 2010 8:09 PM
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You white guys are so cerebral!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

As far as the QB bust poll goes, I voted for Other Please-Comment. That guy couldn't hit a go pattern to save his life.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Any chance Carmello comes to Washington next year?

Posted by: coparker5 | July 9, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

As far as the QB bust poll goes, I voted for Other Please-Comment. That guy couldn't hit a go pattern to save his life.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 9, 2010 8:45 PM
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very funny!

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Any chance Carmello comes to Washington next year?

Posted by: coparker5 | July 9, 2010 8:56 PM
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Possible..but probably the Knicks

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Desperately in need of a new thread.....

Posted by: edvar | July 9, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Possible..but probably the Knicks

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 9:06 PM

Give it to me straight..Like 1 in 10 or 1 in a 100. Oh, 1 in a million.

So you're saying there is a chance..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 9, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 9:06 PM

Give it to me straight..Like 1 in 10 or 1 in a 100. Oh, 1 in a million.

So you're saying there is a chance..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 9, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse


Nice pull Diez...arguably the funniest movie I've ever seen. I laugh at almost every scene.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Rip on him all you want. I could care less. I just think it's funny that a whole Redskins board has spent 2 days whining about this sorry MF and using every lame ass excuse they can think of when the real reason is so transparent. I do like all the different names that you guys have come up with for him though. Some are pretty original.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 9, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse


No you don't care "less". You obviously care alot. If you cared "less" you wouldn't be running to his defense at every turn.

Whatever...we're ripping him b/c it's July friggin 9th and there's no NFL news and JReid ran out of ideas for a new thread and ESPN duped LeStupid into this ridiculous "special" where he outed himself as the tool that he truly is.

Posted by: p1funk | July 9, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Wait 'til Strasburg's contract is up and he signs with the Not-Nationals. I bet he'll get a two-hour special to announce his new team.

Posted by: ChesterPeek | July 9, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe there are some here that are suggesting that the LeFu_kface hate has to do with anything else but him being a self-serving, arrogant jackass. All over the country people are RIPPING this guy, but because it's done up here (even before this whole "Decision" started), suddenly Wizards fans are doing it because he dispatched them three straight playoff appearances? Man, GTFOH with that sh*t. Only time the Wizards stood a chance beating Cleveland in the playoffs was back in 2006, and TWO of those games were won by Cleveland on clear traveling calls.

No self respecting Wizards fan could care less about a playoff series from 4 years ago. All the Lebron hate has to do with him being a narc toolbag. To suggest anything else you're either a) a fan of Lebron or b) just going with the prevailing sentiment just for the sake of doing so.

Wizards fans knew back when what was up with that punk ass MoFo... it just took the rest of the NBA world to catch up. And now that they have, yes, I take ultimate joy in reading and watching people line up to take shots at him.

And one more thing: All great players are arrogant and self-indulged. It what makes them who they are. Kobe was, MJ was...

But Lebron is a b*tch made actor deuchebag, who'll rather put out this act job to the masses like he's a genuine, good hearted, real dude.

And nothing can be further from the truth.

If you're going to act like an all about me ass, then fine, do you and keep it 100. But don't have that personality or way of going about yours and then when the cameras are rolling you put on the Hollywood face.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 9, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

F Lebron, not quite like Delonte did but F him nonetheless.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 9, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

terry baker, the heisman trophy winner gets my vote for alltime QB bust.

Posted by: dcjazzman | July 10, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Well, there is NEWS and it's not good. J Reid just tweeted Mike Williams out for the season due to blood clots close to his heart.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 10, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Well, there is NEWS and it's not good. J Reid just tweeted Mike Williams out for the season due to blood clots close to his heart.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 10, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Lisa_R-

Bad news for BMW and bad news for the OL. Hicks is definitely now the starter and Rhino is now the backup.

Makes the trade for Brown even more important now.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Bad News for BMW.

BEEPS

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 10, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Bad news for BMW and bad news for the OL. Hicks is definitely now the starter and Rhino is now the backup.

Makes the trade for Brown even more important now.

Posted by: Diesel44

So sad. Our O line is cursed. Poor BMW worked so hard to lose all that weight and solidify his place on the team and now he has health issues.

And we have lost another starter.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 10, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

"So sad. Our O line is cursed. Poor BMW worked so hard to lose all that weight and solidify his place on the team and now he has health issues.And we have lost another starter.Posted by: Lisa_R"

Not a curse at all. Think of it this way: it was a little bit of a miracle that Mike lost all that weight and got back into shape. It's not uncommon to have health problems when you're his size and undergoing dramatic rapid weight loss. His conditioning, though much improved, probably wasn't good enough yet to allow him to start for a full season.

He's a good guy and it's a great story but the Skins medical staff had to know something could happen and so advise the GM.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 10, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Possible..but probably the Knicks

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 9, 2010 9:06 PM

Give it to me straight..Like 1 in 10 or 1 in a 100. Oh, 1 in a million.

So you're saying there is a chance..

Posted by: Diesel44

I think it 1 in 20 he comes to the Wizards..and thats only because he's from B'more...But he has a large fan base in NYC with the NYoRicans...plus the light of B'way will inspire you...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | July 10, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The reason I did not pick Russell is because he was yet another over inflated Al Davis and the Raiders pick. Frankly Russell was drafted too high and never should have been the #1 pick overall. He was not talented enough. Yes he had a strong arm, but what did he show at LSU? He made 1-2 bad throws per game that just made you say WTF. Al Davis still thinks the NFL lacks speed and the old AFL can beat them deep. thus strong arm Russell.

In terms of true expectation of greatness at the QB position, i think more people actually thought Ryan Leaf was going to be a good NFL QB. Russell getting caught 'sippin' on the syrup' has ended his career for sure.

As a Redskin fan i picked Heath Shuler. From what I saw of Leaf and Russell, they both have "issues" which over power their football ability. Heath Shuler just could not play. either Shuler was dumb, scared, just could not play or all of the above! i think the guy just could not play. i saw him in New Orleans and he was just as sorry.

Posted by: oknow1 | July 11, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

As far as the Skins go it was Schuler. However, I would say Jason Campbell was a solid second. He was suppose to be good. He sucked and he was given every excuse in the book. He will suck at Oakland.

Posted by: theBozyn | July 12, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

FAVRE COULD NOT FIGURE OUT IN THE BEGINNING HOW AT 40 SOMETHING, TO GET OUT OF TRAINING CAMP. THUS, HE RETIRED. HE PROVED LAST SEASON, WITH AND INCREDIBLE STATISTICAL SEASON, JUST MISSED THE SBOWL, HE DOES NOT NEED TRAINING CAMP. WHATEVER HE DOES AT THE LOCAL HS IN MS IS ENOUGH FOR HIM, AND HE DOES NOT NEED THE POUNDING OF TRAINING CAMP. SINCE NOBODY WILL ACCEPT THIS, HE DOES HIS SONG AND DANCE, HIS CHRADE, AND HE PUTS OF JANUARY SURGERY UNTIL MAY! THE MEDIA, RIDING HIM ALL ALONG, IS NOT SMART ENOUGH TO MENTION THIS! GOOD FOR BRETT! UNLESS MY REDSKINS GO TO THE SBOWL, I HOPE HIS VIKINGS DO!

Posted by: artsnsportz | July 13, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Gotta go with Russell. It would be Leaf, but he was the second overall, and Russell was the number one. Also, at least Leaf was able to make it onto more than one team (Chargers, Cowboys, Bucs) where as to this point Russell is a one and done.

Posted by: corky1031 | July 13, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

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