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Poll: Redskins' MVP on defense

By Washington Post sports editors

After eight games, The Post's Jason Reid says the Redskins' most valuable player on defense is LaRon Landry. Do you agree? Vote in the poll below:

By Washington Post sports editors  | November 3, 2010; 12:32 PM ET
Categories:  Albert Haynesworth, Brian Orakpo, DeAngelo Hall, LaRon Landry, London Fletcher, Polls  
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Comments

Vinny Cerrato votes for.... Haynesworth!

"Yeah, um, he just, like, you know, balls, man!"

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse


ah, something we can agree on

Posted by: hessone | November 3, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I would like to take the poll...if I could f*cking see it!!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

This is a bit of a shocker...DHall has 6 picks and two TDs. Dude singlehandedly won us two conference games. FOR THE FIRST 8 GAMES, there is no other choice.

However, until he retires, London Fletcher is the straw that stirs the drink. Other guys might put up big numbers and get the impact plays, but Fletch usually sets the stage for those guys. He's the Most VALUABLE Player we have even though you could put Orakpo, Hall, and Landry as guys that are more OUTSTANDING than Fletch.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

This is a bit of a shocker...DHall has 6 picks and two TDs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 12:50 PM

Anyone else think Hall was gonna have 4 picks again after the first one against Detroit? I did.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Because suddenly the team with an owner historically willing to spend money (See Haynesworth, Albert) and in horrible need of a wideout in an uncapped season won't get past writing the check for a future HOFer. Yeah, that makes sense.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse


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Yep. Perfect sense.

Spending another dime on player payroll this season will not sell another seat, or generate so much as a single cent of additional revenue for the team.

While no one is willing to admit it, the team is in a "building" or "transition" year... and another player will not change the win-loss record one iota.

True, Snyder is the acknowledged master of the off-season.

But as we've seen in previous years, when for example, we really needed to get a couple of serviceable offensive linemen last year -- once the regular season rolls around and the roster is set, there will be no further additions.

It would only add unnecessary cost and would not generate addition revenue.

And that, my friends, would be in direct conflict with the prime imperative -- maximize profit.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 3, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

shanahan should impliment his zone blocking technique gradually as he acquires players more suited for his zone schemes


Posted by: hessone

It goes back to coaches designing a scheme to the talent they have. You are right, I haven't seen a weaker guard and center line up in a very long time.

Posted by: dcwun | November 3, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo. He's a monster on the line and Landry is reaping the dividends.

Posted by: skins_fan_22 | November 3, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Spending another dime on player payroll this season will not sell another seat, or generate so much as a single cent of additional revenue for the team.

It would only add unnecessary cost and would not generate addition revenue.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 3, 2010 12:55 PM

Playoffs?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I think I should have gotten some consideration!

Signed,
Carlos Rogers

Posted by: monk811 | November 3, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is that if the team was going to do anything with Roydell or Galloway, they would have done it this week. Moss won't be in the equation. Receiver is only a part of what is broke in the passing game. If the QB doesn't know the playbook and the offensive line cannot block, Moss isn't going to solve anything. This bye week they should be spent focusing on getting Brown healthy, working on technique - just getting back to the basics. I wouldn't mind seeing a swap of Roydell Williams and Terrence Austin, and if Simpson can't get his hammy straight, maybe they IR him and bring up the kid they just signed. If they could somehow free up a spot on the active roster, I wouldn't mind seeing an offensive lineman brought up from the practice squad. If they moved Capers into the guard spot they would have a guy who was more athletic than Licthensteiger and maybe wouldn't suck so bad at blocking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Spending another dime on player payroll this season will not sell another seat, or generate so much as a single cent of additional revenue for the team...

And that, my friends, would be in direct conflict with the prime imperative -- maximize profit.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 3, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse
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Except for jersey sales, or extra revenue from a playoff game or upgrading to an NFL primetime flex game in the thick of a playoff charge.

No, no, your financial analysis makes sense if you ignore those things.

BTW, I love how Snyder has a history of staying put during the season... as if 31 other NFL teams are tripping over themselves to trade us their stars for our scrubs.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I voted twice for "Other"... still 0%?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I voted twice for "Other"... still 0%?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse
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That's gotta be demoralizing

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to at least SEE Lorenzo on the list. I'm voting 'other' just for that reason.

And I start the lobbying now.

Vote OTHER on the straw poll.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

why get a WR when you can't protect your QB, besides Moss none of our receivers have been effective for the last decade.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to my life, Matt.. lmao.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Haynesworth because when they finally "let him play" he dominated

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall singlehandedly won 2 games for the Redskins versus NFC opponents. His Strip/Fumble return for a TD against the Cowboys was our only score.

His 4 pick, 1 TD performance against the Bears won that game as well.

Laron Landry is our Most Outstanding Player, but Hall has been the Most Valuable on Defense. What would 2 and 6 look like?

Posted by: MadeRED | November 3, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please vote for whoever is leading right now for me?

Was a big fat O-pher yesterday at the polls.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

But when you have one of the best deep passers and the game, and you bring in a guy that can run the 9 route like no other, there is a threat. WE need to score Touchdowns. In the Redzone Randy is a threat. I could care less about his stats, he still has that thought in defenses that at anytime he can turn the beast mode on.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 3, 2010 12:17 PM |


Again Roc, you're not making a good point for RMoss to be picked up by the Skins.

You refer to McNabb being one of the best deep passers in the game. Seems like last week he barely took the snap from center before he was being stepped on, hurried, falling down on his own or outright sacked. That moniker is not valid this year despite a few 'bombs' that he and a lot of other average QB's have connected on.

Next you write that RMoss can run a 9 route like no other. Brilliant. You're saying he can run straight ahead like no one else in the league? Dude, Gallaway is STILL faster than Moss in a straight line so that dog just won't hunt.

You're clearly trying to avoid the undeniable, that the guy is just not worth whatever upside he brings to a team and its WR corps respectively.

We already have our "Randy Moss" when you pair world class talent with an utter lack of maturity in Hall and Haynesworth.

We don't need a 3rd.

You know, the 'Pats haven't lost a game since dumping Moss and the 'Vikes hadn't won a game with him. I think there's a statement in there somewhere.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 3, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

brown makes a good argument for DHall....Landry has been outstanding, but Hall has won 2 games for the team...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

They let him play plenty before that... He didn't ball until they benched him & he had a life-altering experience. I'm sure he got some perspective after that.

He could very well be the D-MVP in the second half. I'd be happy to vote for that.

LA for now!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse


It goes back to coaches designing a scheme to the talent they have. You are right, I haven't seen a weaker guard and center line up in a very long time.

Posted by: dcwun | November 3, 2010 12:58 PM |

I guess I forgot to mention installing dockery back at guard in regards to power blocking instead of zone blocking, running the ball. it seems heyer is better adapted for the run and not pass protection. get away from the zone thing and try some power blocking, coming off the ball and being aggressive, not letting these d-linemen we've been playing get all the momentum. start knocking them back, jeez

Posted by: hessone | November 3, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is that if the team was going to do anything with Roydell or Galloway, they would have done it this week. Moss won't be in the equation. Receiver is only a part of what is broke in the passing game. If the QB doesn't know the playbook and the offensive line cannot block, Moss isn't going to solve anything. This bye week they should be spent focusing on getting Brown healthy, working on technique - just getting back to the basics. I wouldn't mind seeing a swap of Roydell Williams and Terrence Austin, and if Simpson can't get his hammy straight, maybe they IR him and bring up the kid they just signed. If they could somehow free up a spot on the active roster, I wouldn't mind seeing an offensive lineman brought up from the practice squad. If they moved Capers into the guard spot they would have a guy who was more athletic than Licthensteiger and maybe wouldn't suck so bad at blocking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 1:05 PM |

Bam! Bullseye!

Of course all I want for Christmas are more OL bodies added to the roster or PS. Forgive me for being Selvish.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 3, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

diggin D'Hall as my #2

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Without Hall...maybe 2 and 6.

Without Landry...probably 0 and 8.

Without McNabb...definitely 0 and 8.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I guess I forgot to mention installing dockery back at guard in regards to power blocking instead of zone blocking, running the ball.

Posted by: hessone | November 3, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse
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Before we put the zone blocking scheme out to pasture, let's remember that it did produce back to back 100 yard rushing games before suffering from Jason Garrett disease in the DET game.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

There has been a lot contro over McN getting benched but the real prob is that MS did not do due dil on McN when he agreed to cough up a high 2nd rounder + more to follow to get the dude. If he had done so he would have found:

1. McN sucks on 3rd downs.

2. He can't do hurryup. He hurls chunks if he has to do hurryuip.

3. He has more brain farts than the Klumps. Throws into triple coverage, runs out of bounds when the clock has to be drained, mistakes the opponent's DBs for his receivers, etc.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | November 3, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Maybe, but it's been a long time since I bought in to any political debate and I've sat here and watched all these d0uchebags take their little potshots time and again without a word. Now it's my turn...SJK 'em.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 11:03 AM

Yeah, it's been hours, maybe even a full day, since you started a political argument, lost the political argument, attacked your opponent, felt bad, then complained about politics being brought up on RI. I'll check back in a few hours and see how far you get through the cycle.

Posted by: mack1 | November 3, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Definitely in the minority here, but I don't see Landry as good as others seem to see him. He's definitely playing well, huge improvements over last year when he was lost. He's part of coverage, and we've given up tons of passing yards.

To me, the best player on our defense is Orakpo. Been a beast. Lots of double teams, lots of holding calls (tons more uncalled).

What makes teams great are the guys that force you to use 2 guys to slow 1. Orakpo forces teams to do different things. Landry is the main beneficiary because he is freer and the QBs can't hold the ball as long.

As for Fletcher, I think he's slipping. Hate to say that because I have all the respect in the world for him. I think its part 3-4 and part he's up there in years. He's still good, but he's not the great LB that he was in the past few years.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

We have so many good players on defense and so many bad players on offense.

- Laron is consistent every game and is having a Pro Bowl season.
- Deangelo arguably won two games (he definitely won the game against Chicago).
- Orakpo has 7.0 sacks and responsible for the victory over Dallas.
- Albert is a 3rd down brick wall.
- London Fletcher. Need I say more about the defensive leader?

The offensive Most Disappointing Player(s)? Minus Trent Williams, the entire offensive line.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 3, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Fletch slippin'. I see other guys stepping up where he doesn't have to do everything.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Ridiculous.

First the idea that the knuckleheads on this board have a clue who any MVP is is preposterous.

Second, the results are immediately skewed by announcing who Reed picks BEFORE the vote.

That's a form of "Push Poll", use of which helped result in some of the yahoos elected yesterday.

Just admit these stupid polls are designed for one purpose--to push up the numbers for the sales department.

I don't mind that, we needed newspapers, newspapers need ads.

But I ain't votin'

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Counting down 2 hours until Moss replaces Galloway...

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Some dweeb posted "Power Rankings" recent. To which I say, here's my "AA* Power Rankings Top Ten":

1. RedDMV
2. scampbell1975
3. brownwoody26
4. MistaMoe
5. beep-beep
6. frak
7. pabrian
8. No_Punt_Intended
9. Flounder21
10. beantowngreg1

* AA = Annoying A-hole

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

We already have our "Randy Moss" when you pair world class talent with an utter lack of maturity in Hall and Haynesworth.

We don't need a 3rd.

You know, the 'Pats haven't lost a game since dumping Moss and the 'Vikes hadn't won a game with him. I think there's a statement in there somewhere.

Posted by: Personal_Fow

They beat the Cowgirls with Moss. As far as Hall and AH being immature, I'm not so sure. Cooley says as much as D Hall and is rarely crticized for his statements.

Yes Randy Moss has some issues but he's no bigger an a$$$ and immature than Favre.

The worst part is, I would take him in a second.

Posted by: dcwun | November 3, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude, Gallaway is STILL faster than Moss in a straight line so that dog just won't hunt.

You know, the 'Pats haven't lost a game since dumping Moss and the 'Vikes hadn't won a game with him. I think there's a statement in there somewhere.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 3, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse
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Except Galloway isn't 6'4" with the best hands in football outside of Fitzgerald when he arrives at the end of said straight line.

And the statement about the Vikes and Pat's is this: the Pats averaged 32.8 PPG with Moss and 24.7 without; The Vikes averaged 14.3 PPG without Moss, and 21.5 with him.

That's about a TD per game, which, if you've been keeping track, might work out for a team which has been down by 3 late in the 4th or lost by 3 in 3 of its 4 loses.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Counting down 2 hours until Moss replaces Galloway...

Posted by: Rypien11 |

Here Here......

Posted by: dcwun | November 3, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

We have so many good players on defense and so many bad players on offense.

- Laron is consistent every game and is having a Pro Bowl season.
- Deangelo arguably won two games (he definitely won the game against Chicago).
- Orakpo has 7.0 sacks and responsible for the victory over Dallas.
- Albert is a 3rd down brick wall.
- London Fletcher. Need I say more about the defensive leader?


Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake

I see your point. But why then is the defense one of the very worst in the NFL.

Two words come to mind: Jim Haslett.

He brings in a 3-4, but unlike the great ones there is little pressure on the QB.

Blitzes are rare and predictable.

DB mistakes lead to TDs far too often.

Posted by: TheCork | November 3, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Haynesworth because when they finally "let him play" he dominated.


All summer we chanted:

Leave Albert Be!!!

Why?: any kind of good year from the Round Mound increases his trade value.

All the folks who want this or that in lineman, wide receivers, and backs should sit down and do a little 'draft math'.

I mean, based on what we've traded away to get veteran players (McNabb/Brown) and have been returned for players traded away (Campbell), how many picks will we receive?

And remember that a lot of what we get back is based on 'conditional' issues.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Haynesworth because when they finally "let him play" he dominated.


All summer we chanted:

Leave Albert Be!!!

Why?: any kind of good year from the Round Mound increases his trade value.

All the folks who want this or that in lineman, wide receivers, and backs should sit down and do a little 'draft math'.

I mean, based on what we've traded away to get veteran players (McNabb/Brown) and have been returned for players traded away (Campbell), how many picks will we receive?

And remember that a lot of what we get back is based on 'conditional' issues.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Some dweeb posted "Power Rankings" recent. To which I say, here's my "AA* Power Rankings Top Ten":

1. RedDMV
2. scampbell1975
3. brownwoody26
4. MistaMoe
5. beep-beep
6. frak
7. pabrian
8. No_Punt_Intended
9. Flounder21
10. beantowngreg1

* AA = Annoying A-hole

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Yay, I didn't make the list!!! Maybe I'm number 11.
How come PlayAction isn't on that list? hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | November 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Please...... I Ask one thing as a fan since 1983... Please give me another Moss at 4 pm!!!!

Posted by: cmon-man | November 3, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Yay, I didn't make the list!!! Maybe I'm number 11.
How come PlayAction isn't on that list? hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | November 3, 2010 2:02 PM

Yeah...I thought we were as annoying as some NERD's dogs gas? This is bs!! I want a re-count!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

10th?? must be getting old....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Some dweeb posted "Power Rankings" recent.

Posted by: FrancoDweebMe | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse
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Congrats on the double admission of dweeb-ish behavior in an unoriginal manner.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign Randy Moss to a long term contract and then trade him back to the Vikings at the end of the season?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign Randy Moss to a long term contract and then trade him back to the Vikings at the end of the season?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:20 PM

And package him with McNabb?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

10th?? must be getting old....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2010 2:09 PM
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Since you stopped being the PFT insider on RI, your dweeb-osity has hit record lows.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we sign Randy Moss to a long term contract and then trade him back to the Vikings at the end of the season?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:20 PM

And package him with McNabb?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:21 PM
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No, we re-sign McNabb and trade him back to Philadelphia.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No, we re-sign McNabb and trade him back to Philadelphia.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

As long as we don't get the Dog-Fighter!

Posted by: monk811 | November 3, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

No, we re-sign McNabb and trade him back to Philadelphia.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 2:24 PM

Oh yeah...duh...McNabb for Akers.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

McNabb aint the answer by any stretch of imagination, I,ve long stated that this dude chugs the ball at the recievers feet on every third down, he plays as if he got five downs not three, never seen him play with any sense of urgency, am not suprised that he is a slacker in practice. Just dont re-sign the guy based on the feelings if these sentimental fools, the Skins dont owe him jack.

Posted by: zimife1999 | November 3, 2010 1:59 PM

"Honorable Mention for the AA Top Ten"

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...duh...McNabb for Akers.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse
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We should probably address the wrongs from the Cerrato Era before we take on the Casserly Era.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Offensive MVP gotta be Casey Rabach - dude's cardio fitness is off the chart

Posted by: coparker5 | November 3, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zimife1999 | November 3, 2010 1:59 PM

"Honorable Mention for the AA Top Ten"

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse
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Not to mention, violation of RI Rule #4

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Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

As long as we don't get the Dog-Fighter!(Vick)


While we ape about McNabb, Philly is the team with more interesting quarterback issues.

Kolb or Vick?: they can't have both.

Can they?

Kolb might be good.

But is he really ready?

Vick is good.

But do you take a long term money chance on a guy who might burn you with off the field stuff?

Andy "Panda" Reid (no relations to Jason, we think) has built a nice group of ball catchers, but lacks the dependable quarterback to get them the ball.

Decisions, decisions, decisions.

I might be nice if he makes another bad decision and allow one of the two to fall into our lap.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Offensive MVP gotta be Casey Rabach - dude's cardio fitness is off the chart

Posted by: coparker5 | November 3, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse
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His impressive backpedaling has earned him the #6 CB spot.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, violation of RI Rule #4

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:44 PM |

Too funny matt

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention, violation of RI Rule #4

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:44 PM |

Too funny matt

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse


Offensive MVP gotta be Casey Rabach - dude's cardio fitness is off the chart

Posted by: coparker5 | November 3, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse
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His impressive backpedaling has earned him the #6 CB spot.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 2:47 PM |
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dude needs a wheel barrow

Posted by: hessone | November 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Whooops...so funny had to say it twice...

Guess Reid taking the rest of the day off after his EPIC post earlier today.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Jason Whitlock is a fat sack of s h I t. That is all.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I might be nice if he makes another bad decision and allow one of the two to fall into our lap.

Posted by: MistaMoe
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Now you want Vick/Kolb? No thanks. I am not sold on the idea that Vick has figured it out and Kolb hasn't proven anything and has a weak-ish arm. Let's stick with DM5, address our more fundamental issues (interior OL especially) and pick up a young heir apparent QB when the right opportunity comes along in the next couple of years. Then we groom the young guy under McNabb and give him a chance to figure out the game before he gets thrown in there. This worked for Steve Young, McNabb, Aaron Rogers and many others. Stick with a tried and true approach.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 3, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline:

Ouch! Billionaire spends $140 MILLION in loss

Well, the clueless richie spent that much loot to win a governor's seat that pays less than what A Rod makes per game played.

Who spends so much to win a seat that pays so little?

A wannabe politician, that's who.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Some dweeb posted "Power Rankings" recent.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM

Dweeb? No one has used that word since 1992. I'm guessing that when you're not posting on RI, you're still playing "Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Jason Whitlock is a fat sack of s h I t. That is all.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 2:52 PM

One of the high points of his life, from Wikipedia:

"Whitlock was an all-state offensive tackle at Warren Central High School in Warren Township in the eastern part of Indianapolis, and he blocked for quarterback Jeff George, who later became the first overall pick in the 1990 NFL Draft."

Another highlight? Honorary Ph.D. from University of Maryland.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Why Diesel, because Whitlock didn't write some fluff piece on the best Fahter/Son combo since the Norton's?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 3, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's my TDB (total doosh bagg) top 6

FrancoBegbie
FrancoBegbie
FrancoBegbie
FrancoBegbie
FrancoBegbie
FrancoBegbie

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Some dweeb posted "Power Rankings" recent. To which I say, here's my "AA* Power Rankings Top Ten":

1. RedDMV
2. scampbell1975
3. brownwoody26
4. MistaMoe
5. beep-beep
6. frak
7. pabrian
8. No_Punt_Intended
9. Flounder21
10. beantowngreg1

* AA = Annoying A-hole

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Yay, I didn't make the list!!! Maybe I'm number 11.
How come PlayAction isn't on that list? hahaha

Posted by: monk811


Power rankings suck, we need a playoff system to determine who's number 1.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 3, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Time for the kids to leave the room...ear muffs.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Somehow everything feels a little bit better this morning.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Had a dream I was being murdered last night. When I woke up, I realized what happened.......

You win....This time


Posted by: dcwun | November 3, 2010 12:21 PM |

I prefer to think of it as a win for all of us. A President with no mechanism for checks and balances in the Congress and vice versa is a very dangerous thing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Some dweeb posted "Power Rankings" recent. To which I say, here's my "AA* Power Rankings Top Ten":

1. RedDMV
2. scampbell1975
3. brownwoody26
4. MistaMoe
5. beep-beep
6. frak
7. pabrian
8. No_Punt_Intended
9. Flounder21
10. beantowngreg1

* AA = Annoying A-hole

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | November 3, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Phuk that. If you ain't got me at #1 then you're just SJKing retarded.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Landry is the most valuable...but Orakpo is probably the most talented on the D

Posted by: Murphs56 | November 3, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Which Cerrato guy is our defensive MVP?

Good job Shan`a`cool

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

lmSJKao@Diesel

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If any of you encounter cstanton1, please tell him his pals at CI want him to come home.

I don't want to resort to milk cartons, so please help.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | November 3, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall has scored the same number of TDs as our #1 WR (Moss), #1 TE (Cooley), and #1 RB (Portis).

He's my defensive MVP.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 3, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I prefer to think of it as a win for all of us. A President with no mechanism for checks and balances in the Congress and vice versa is a very dangerous thing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse
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Interesting to note all the talk about 'conservative' vs. 'liberal' Democrats during the health care debate, which effectively checked any meaningful progress towards a European style system.

However, they still needed their pee pees slapped for producing that stack of dead tree with 255 bribes in it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | November 3, 2010 3:18 PM

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That is embarrassing.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 3, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

However, they still needed their pee pees slapped for producing that stack of dead tree with 255 bribes in it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 3:21 PM |

Brownwood was up here this morning talking about how eager he is to slap Nancy Pelosi's pee pee.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how D Hall isn't the MVP. Without Hall, we are likely a Zornesque 2-6.

Posted by: cosmofla | November 3, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

However, they still needed their pee pees slapped for producing that stack of dead tree with 255 bribes in it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 3:21 PM |

Brownwood was up here this morning talking about how eager he is to slap Nancy Pelosi's pee pee.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 3:28 PM
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You did not have to remind us of that string of posts.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

However, they still needed their pee pees slapped for producing that stack of dead tree with 255 bribes in it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 3:21 PM |

Brownwood was up here this morning talking about how eager he is to slap Nancy Pelosi's pee pee.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse


beep,

That visual is both frightening and disgusting

Posted by: cosmofla | November 3, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood was up here this morning talking about how eager he is to slap Nancy Pelosi's pee pee.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 3:28 PM

She probably has brown wood.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

DeAngelo Hall has scored the same number of TDs as our #1 WR (Moss), #1 TE (Cooley), and #1 RB (Portis).

He's my defensive MVP.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 3, 2010 3:18 PM

Not fair...he doesn't have to be on the field with the offensive line.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld,
I don't see what you like about the European system. My friend in Germany was just complaining to me that he has to pay 47% of his wages in taxes. Socialized medicine isn't free: you just pay the government instead of Aetna. Yes, those same folks in the government that have done such a fine job managing costs at the US Postal service and Amtrak...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I vote Lichtensteiger as Defensive MVP for every team the Redskins have faced this season. Clearly on Sunday, as in the past, we was the best man on the other team.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Red-
MS screwed up when he traded for McNabb.
MS screwed up when he pulled McNabb regardless of how terrible he was playing for Rex.
MS screwed up by essentially calling McNabb dumb one day and then fat and lazy the next.

People want to talk about what MS accomplished was in the past and he's got to earn it here. I agree but the same goes for McNabb. MS had a bad game last week while McNabb has had 7.

Whitlock is a POS because he uses the race card so much the strip on the back of it has worn out. To quote Whitlock "Blacks are like crabs in a basket". "To be a QB you need to be Martin Luther King and not
Malcolm X."

How the F is this a race issue. MS has benched better players, ie. Elway. Just because it was idiotic doesn't mean race was involved.

DikShuttle- why don't you share your opinion about how #21's trajedy was his fault again.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Ty, RSH. Didn't we fight a cold war NOT to have this health plan?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld,
I don't see what you like about the European system. My friend in Germany was just complaining to me that he has to pay 47% of his wages in taxes. Socialized medicine isn't free: you just pay the government instead of Aetna. Yes, those same folks in the government that have done such a fine job managing costs at the US Postal service and Amtrak...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 3:37 PM |

LOL! Indeed. Don't tell the "I don't wanna be responsible for myself" people that RSH. They don't wanna hear it. Remember, you are probably talking to an employee of that very govt.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Ahay for MVP, naaaaw im just kidding.I know everyone still hates him, Maybe by the end of the season though...

Posted by: Stu27 | November 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Why, you got a problem with it?

I didn't say it was his fault, I said he was somewhat responsible. There's a difference, you know? And I'm right - so SJK you.

I laugh at your joke & you take a shot. You're sucha dewsch. Who are you, my ex wife? You're certainly a big enough choach.

And to top it off, you're wrong on ALL 3 of your Shennanigans analyses.

...sukkard.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

A rolling Skin gathers no Moss.

We retracted because there was concern about what would happen if we got him but he didn’t sign in the case he didn’t want to play here.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 3, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I was watching the game again last night and I just can't figure out Shanahan's thinking in the drive BEFORE inserting Grossman. Facing fourth and 10 from the Skins' 28 and trailing by three, Shanahan decided to go for the first down. McNabb was sacked for an 8-yard loss. The Redskins had two timeouts remaining. There was 2:15 left in the game.
Why not punt and use the two minute warning and your TO's? It gives you a chance for a muffed punt and, if everything goes according to plan, a punt return for Banks.
Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but every aspect of this course of action seems to give you a better chance of winning than converting a 4th and 10 the way the offense was going.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

ryp, has anyone claimed him?

smart, not bringing him here...my .02

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Ok - all's right in the world.

WaPo is pointedly biased.
RI is right leaning. (good on ya).
And Diesel is a Fkucktard.

Goodnight ladies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Ty, RSH. Didn't we fight a cold war NOT to have this health plan?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 3:49 PM
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I've seen how the program works in various European countries - heck, I've even been a recipient of it in the UK - and it just isn't what everyone in the US thinks it is. Most people would be surprised that the some Europeans are looking at our system with envy and don't understand why we would want to change. In effect, healthcare costs us less than it does them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I'm hearing Titans, Raiders, or Dolphins.

Merrimen went to Bills.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 3, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say it was his fault, I said he was somewhat responsible. There's a difference, you know?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 3:58 PM

He was somewhat responsible for home-invading burglars shooting him??

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

ryp, has anyone claimed him?

smart, not bringing him here...my .02

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2010 4:03 PM
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If he makes it through waivers, then the Vikes have to honor his contract. Then the new team could get him for a pack of crackers and a pop. Given how our front office works, I wouldn't say we are out of the woods with Randy Moss until another team signs him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Rsh, nice call on lichtenshanny as LVP, but he's only in there because of zorn-a-cool, so....

Shan-a-zorn = LVP

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Deez44, doggin shanny? How do u like me now?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

ryp, thanks, yikes, Merriman's career has been on a downward spiral for a while now....not sure if its gonna get better with this latest...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 3, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Titans have admitted that they put a claim in for Moss. Rams did NOT.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | November 3, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Moss to the Titans

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say it was his fault, I said he was somewhat responsible. There's a difference, you know?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 3, 2010 3:58 PM

He was somewhat responsible for home-invading burglars shooting him??

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 4:09 PM

This is a compromise. It subtly splits the difference between Wilbon (it's Sean's fault) and the rest of the world (Sean was a victim). A spin artist like this has a future in politics.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Moss to the Titans

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 3, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Moss to the Titans

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 3, 2010 4:20 PM

Thought the Skins dodged a bullet when the Vikings released him. Oh well.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dik- I've been called worse by better and I misunderstood what you were trying to convey. I'm not sure Jack's kids still read the blog and it's hard to sometimes translate the sfjk stuff. My bad.

As far as MS's sfjk ups. One would argue that there would be more, but those would definitely be on the list.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I am very pleased that we did not claim Moss. I would have hated rooting for him. Whew....Good call Shanahan....we did not need this mental midget on our team.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins didn't put in a claim for Moss, I guess that means they are content with the mediocre or "nothing" that they are getting from Galloway and williams

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 3, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Lights out is a Bill

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess that means they are content with the mediocre or "nothing" that they are getting from Galloway and williams

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 3, 2010 4:30 PM

Genius! I wish I were capable of a keen deductive insight like yours. Thanks for posting this and explaining it to me. This is so much better than my theories:

1. McNabb would be confused by having two receivers named Moss.
2. Two receivers named Moss would cut into jersey sales.
3. They didn't want to spend the money.
4. They forgot to turn in their claim before the deadline.
5. They didn't have a parking space big enough for his car.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I know Moss is a head case...but are you kidding me?? We could have claimed him and we have the WOST wr core in the league other than Moss...nobody is producing....like Armstrong but honestly he is a 3rd slot wr at best....i can not believe all the WRs this front office has past over since Jan. Joey Galloway??????? REALLY???? I'm almost over shanny and bruce already...bruce is doing what he did in Tampa....make no moves that make since to better the team.....WTH?????? Guess the Skins are for sure a joke as the world has told us for a decade.....

Posted by: leevi98 | November 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Who needs Randy Moss when you have Anthony Armstrong, Joey Galloway and Roydell Williams. I'm sure he has more catches this season than all three of those dreads combined.

Of course like Dockery he probably would not fit into "Shanny's System" so who needs him. It would funny if it weren't so sad.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the Skins did put in a claim for Moss. However, they erroneously put in a claim for the former packer Winston Moss rather than Randy Moss. Ooops!!

Posted by: ZornInMySide | November 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Genius! I wish I were capable of a keen deductive insight like yours. Thanks for posting this and explaining it to me. This is so much better than my theories:

1. McNabb would be confused by having two receivers named Moss.
2. Two receivers named Moss would cut into jersey sales.
3. They didn't want to spend the money.
4. They forgot to turn in their claim before the deadline.
5. They didn't have a parking space big enough for his car.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 4:37 PM
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I must agree, my theory is much better than yours but yours are funnier, comical gunius

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 3, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Whats gonna make it worse is when we watch R. Moss torch us for two tds in a few weeks!

Posted by: leevi98 | November 3, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm almost over shanny and bruce already...

Posted by: leevi98 | November 3, 2010 4:42 PM

Well, you've given them 8 games. If they can't come through when you've demonstrated the patience of Job like this...they sort'a asked for it.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I know Moss is a head case...

Posted by: leevi98 | November 3, 2010 4:42 PM

Say no more. Let me stop you right there. We already have a two ring circus and you want a third?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see all the D.Hall love around here.

D.Hall is a bigtime playmaker, that's why he gets the big bucks.

That's why Carlos Rogers does not.

Playmakers win games for you.

All the Dhall bashing that's been up here over the past year seems pretty asinine now, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

mattsoundworld,
I don't see what you like about the European system.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse
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Whoa, there, cowboy! Never said I wanted it, just observed that what many (including myself) feared about single party dominance did not come to pass.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Why bother with Moss? We need to shore up our O-line and get our only blocking RB healthy, have #5 learn the offense better and get healthy, and then the passing game will come around. Adding Randy's attitude wold have set back everything we are trying to accomplish this year...ie change the culture and begin the roster turnover.

No way we are SB contenders, we'll be lucky to eak out a wild card run.

You guys want Moss' bad karma, bad attitude, bad effort around our locker room for a 5-3 late season run?

Why?

For me, the utterly mean spirited interaction with those caterers was enough to say "No Thanks".

Kudos to Shanahan and Allen.

Also, I hear Randy could not run a 2:30 marathon so Shahahan though his cardio was not up to par!

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I regretfully apologize for my insensitive choice of words there. I would never, ever, intend to insinuate that any regulars up here are, or have been, cowboys.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 3, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big Randy Moss fan, but am glad they had the sensibility to pass on this one.

He wasn't really helping the Patriots this season and he certainly wasn't helping the Vikes do anything special.

With Shanny being such a stickler for people knowing schemes and working hard in practice, we'd basically have Albert Haynesworth II.

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Dude, there is no reason to get Randy Moss on the Redskins. You're much better off with Sinorice Moss. With Randy, you have R. Moss and S. Moss. But, if you get Sinorice, then it's what? S. T. Moss and S. T. Moss? That won't work, now will it.

Sinorice Travonce Moss
Santana Terrell Moss

Maybe, SI Moss and SA Moss?


Randy was much too easy, and besides, Sinorce costs less, since he's out of the NFL. Not like either one is going to put the Redskins in the playoffs.

Posted by: dpc2003 | November 3, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Whats gonna make it worse is when we watch R. Moss torch us for two tds in a few weeks!

Posted by: leevi98 | November 3, 2010 4:45 PM

He will balance it out by telegraphing running plays and refusing to block. Building a football team requires more than the 3-1/2 hours a week on the field. It works against you when you have to have special rules for certain players. "Anthony and Terrence....blocking is essential to your success here. Randy, don't worry about it, but please don't take too many plays off. Please?" Beep said it best. Two rings of a circus are hard enough to keep together. We needn't a third.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Why bother with Moss?

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

That argument might add up if they did not just give Jamarcus Russell a tryout.

And this from The Boy Wonder on JR:
"He is very talented, so I think he can overcome some of the stuff that's he's struggled with."

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Another reason we didn't get Moss: Jason Reid's head would have exploded.

"Sources close to Moss say that the reason he left the field with 4 minutes to play is because Kyle Shanahan said 'Throw it to Moss means Santana.'"

"Sources close to Moss say that he thinks Childress is a better coach than Shanahan."

"Sources close to Moss say that Moss doesn't care what the two-minute drill is."

"Sources close to Moss say that he hasn't unpacked his bags because he's hoping to get cut on Saturday when Austin is brought up from the practice squad."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Wait, maybe Sinorice is available. Is he on IR with the GiANTs?

Posted by: dpc2003 | November 3, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

That argument might add up if they did not just give Jamarcus Russell a tryout.

And this from The Boy Wonder on JR:
"He is very talented, so I think he can overcome some of the stuff that's he's struggled with."

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:01 PM |

Idiot they gave JR a tryout as a favor to John Lucas he was never going to be signed.

What should Jr have said this guy is fat and he sucks, give me a break.

Moss would do nothing for this team so stop crying.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

That argument might add up if they did not just give Jamarcus Russell a tryout.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:01 PM

Or if they hadn't gotten a new water cooler by the front door.

Are you running for the vacant non-sequitur slot?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

S. T. Moss and S. T. Moss? That won't work, now will it.

Sinorice Travonce Moss
Santana Terrell Moss

Maybe, SI Moss and SA Moss?

Posted by: dpc2003 | November 3, 2010 5:00 PM

I've always been amused at the effort to differentiate players w/ the same last name on a team by putting first name letters on their jersey. The huge numbers six inches below thier name wouldn't do the trick?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

That argument might add up if they did not just give Jamarcus Russell a tryout.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but Waaaahhhht?

How does bringing in a player for a bye week tryout (BTW he was one of 10 that came in) equate to having anything to do with using sound judgment and passing on a known diva, malcontent front running, jerk store shelf residing, donkey like Randy Moss?

If you had a clue you'd know that any good NFL team does these bye week tryouts. What's the harm in taking a look at Russell? And again, how does that have any bearing on not signing Moss?

Your logic is astounding...like Christine O'Donnell astounding.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Moss would do nothing for this team so stop crying.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So you mean he would be an ideal fit for our WR corp.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

1. RedDMV
2. scampbell1975
3. brownwoody26
4. MistaMoe
5. beep-beep
6. frak
7. pabrian
8. No_Punt_Intended
9. Flounder21
10. beantowngreg1

I'm trying to get the point of this listing.

Is this some dude trying to take a shower in the sweat of the bloggas who keep this thing flowin'?

Whoever the drip from the tip is, I got two words for him:

Jigga, please.

Put some stuff out to read and let it stand for itself.

Otherwise, go back to jackin' in your momma's basement.

Or: go hang out in mine.

'Cuz that's where I keep her.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Moss would do nothing for this team so stop crying.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So you mean he would be an ideal fit for our WR corp.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:14 PM |

The only thing he would do that the others don't is cause problems.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

R Moss to Titans

Posted by: bones21 | November 3, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Moe, you shedding any tears over no Randy Moss?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 3, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

All the Dhall bashing that's been up here over the past year seems pretty asinine now, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 4:51 PM

All the LL30 bashing that's been up here over the past year seems pretty asinine now, eh?

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Guess I was a little late.

Posted by: bones21 | November 3, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they never had intentions of signing Russell and only did it as a personal favor. But my logic is that you were arguing against malcontent bad locker room guys and there are the Skins trying out that exact type of player and Shanny Jr. saying he's got talent and might overcome the other stuff.

How is that so bizarre?

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm more interested in seeing what Shawne Merriman does with the Bills.

I believe they have him for the balance of the season, and then he's a UFA, right?

If he's looking healthy and spry, then I'd love to see our Skins - who still seem to be auditioning 3-4 personnel for a newly installed 3-4 defense - make a run at him.

He's a DC guy. He's still very young. He's had some super-productive seasons as a 3-4 OLB. And he'll have his mentor LaVar close at hand (though I'm not sure if that's a good thing).

Melikes the thought of a 3-4 LB corps featuring Orakpo, Fletch, Zo and Merriman.

Yummy.

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood was up here this morning talking about how eager he is to slap Nancy Pelosi's pee pee.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood is a sick pregnant mother-raper of the First Order..Though I'm glad that backstabbing mole b*tch Pelosi lost to Adolph Attila Jr. or whoever the h*ll it is , irregardless..Brownwood should take a cue from the Count Gilles De Rais, who would kidnap pregnant peasant women, slice open their wombs and Satanically "have sport with the fetus"...Top that for gross!!

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Look I don't really care if the Skins picked up Moss or not. I think he would be an upgrade over Armstrong and Galloway but even with him I think we are still an 8-8 or 9-7 team so it doesn't really make a huge difference. We've got a lot of problems with the roster from 10yrs of unqualified people picking the players.

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Whoever the drip from the tip is, I got two words for him:

Jigga, please.

Put some stuff out to read and let it stand for itself.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 5:17 PM

Moe,

The handle, FrancoBugbutt, is a sock puppet. He was up here last week taking a swipe at you and anyone else who would respond to him. ElDrano, LittleGreenBug, BaggerVance, BlackBagOps, plus a dozen others. They're all the same boy.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 4:51 PM

All the LL30 bashing that's been up here over the past year seems pretty asinine now, eh?

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

LL30 has acquitted himself nicely and should go to the Pro Bowl if all works out.

At the time of the bashing, though it was all warranted b/c LL was just a liability.

DHall kept getting bashed over the years while he was still the best DB on this team. Having some more competent coaching and playing in a scheme that forces mistakes has only maximized his potential for big plays.

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Just kidding, Brownie..

The Skins need to improve their O-line, last I checked..

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

LL is a STRONG safety, period...The only time he should play the free slot is due to injury..

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Joey Galloway, a recent teammate of Moss, had a conversation with Shanahan regarding Moss.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: renhoekk2 | November 3, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Comparing Moss to Russell IMO is apples to oranges. Russell is 10 years younger, has a very limited sample to look at in the NFL. I don't remember hearing a bad rap on JR's attitude or him being a bad guy per se...Now before you laugh at that, I understand he likely had a substance abuse issue and had way too much money way too soon and mailed it in, but come on. And as you say, it looks like it was just kicking the tires and maybe a favor to John Lucas to get the kid some interview/tryout experience for a comeback.

Moss to me is a completely known entity. He's a BAD GUY at his core. He self destructs when and how he deems fit.

I see zero correlation in the team saying "We did not think Moss was worth it" but then bringing in JR for a look. The 2 scenarios have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Well Jeff Fisher might have been thinking even if Randy can't help his team he was not going to let him go to the Jets or Patriots.

Maybe Jeff can keep him in line and get something out of him we'll see.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 3, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

LL30 has acquitted himself nicely and should go to the Pro Bowl if all works out.

At the time of the bashing, though it was all warranted b/c LL was just a liability.

DHall kept getting bashed over the years while he was still the best DB on this team. Having some more competent coaching and playing in a scheme that forces mistakes has only maximized his potential for big plays.

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 5:34 PM

Dhall has acquitted himself nicely and should go to the Pro Bowl if all works out.

At the time of the bashing, though it was all warranted b/c Dhall was just a liability.

LL30 kept getting bashed over the years while he was still the best SS on this team. Having some more competent coaching and playing in a scheme that forces mistakes has only maximized his potential for big plays.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Are you running for the vacant non-sequitur slot?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 5:06 PM |

Dude - time to come up for air. You can't camp out here forever. The election was yesterday. Ain't nobody running for nothing no more. And the "non-sequitur slot" ain't vacant. Half the blog is wedged into the thang.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's my sub to the King of the Blog Non-Sequitur contest:

Q: what do you call a Miami Dolphins fan?

A: a Dolfan.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

And the "non-sequitur slot" ain't vacant.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 5:52 PM

It is when you're not here.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Some blogger posted a power ranking list and then some other blogger posted a AA power ranking list. Someone should follow up with a Abnotocon power ranking list.

Abnotocon = absolutely nothing to contribute

Like take that sjk blogger scampbell1975. Six months ago he posted that Brandon Lloyd was "straight garbo" and here we are halfway through the season and Lloyd has the best NFL receiver stats. Jesus. 1975's brain must have flat-lined a long time ago. Mebbe in was in the year 1975, no?

Anyway, I'll bet there would be a lot of overlap between the three power rankings lists.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

D-Hall had the two biggest plays all season, and he single-handedly won two games for us....how is he not the #1 choice?

Posted by: joedavis7 | November 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

D-Hall had the two biggest plays all season, and he single-handedly won two games for us....how is he not the #1 choice?

Posted by: joedavis7 | November 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

frak, you need therapy. Many, many years of therapy...

Moss to the Titans is beautiful. He's with a coach he'll probably respect and we don't get our 3rd major drama of the year. Just hope he doesn't kill our D when we face them in a few weeks...

I still can't stop watching that Moss mash up on YouTube...friggin' great.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Is this some dude trying to take a shower in the sweat of the bloggas who keep this thing flowin'?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 5:17 PM |

I doubt it. "shower in the sweat"? I have seen some of your posts. You strain to be clever and original and they pretty much suck, like that "shower in the sweat" nonsense.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

D-Hall had the two biggest plays all season, and he single-handedly won two games for us....how is he not the #1 choice?

Posted by: joedavis7 | November 3, 2010 6:25 PM


Exactly. If the question is the MVP of THE FIRST 8 GAMES, there is no other choice. But as I said before, Fletcher is the overall MVP until he retires.

I know it's a rough proposition to select an MVP on offense, but ironically I'd have to pick McNabb.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Steve Young had an interesting take on the McNabb benching:

He said Shanahan may have handled it wrong, but McNabb was not playing well, and McNabb should be careful. He indicated that Shanahan is a respected WCO guru and if McNabb can't grasp the offense, it could speak volumes to other teams and at his age he has to be careful that he doesn't end up as a backup.

Interesting...

Posted by: rickyroge | November 3, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

All the Dhall bashing that's been up here over the past year seems pretty asinine now, eh?

Posted by: p1funk | November 3, 2010 4:51 PM

All the LL30 bashing that's been up here over the past year seems pretty asinine now, eh?

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 5:22 PM
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All the Korey Lichtensteiger bashing that's been up here over the last few games seems... uh... never mind.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I know it's a rough proposition to select an MVP on offense, but ironically I'd have to pick McNabb.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 6:37 PM
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What, no love for Santana Moss or Cooley? Actually, I think I'd say Cooley has been the offensive MVP. He's come back from injury just as sharp and might even be a better blocker this year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Steve Young had an interesting take on the McNabb benching:

He said Shanahan may have handled it wrong, but McNabb was not playing well, and McNabb should be careful. He indicated that Shanahan is a respected WCO guru and if McNabb can't grasp the offense, it could speak volumes to other teams and at his age he has to be careful that he doesn't end up as a backup.

Interesting...

Posted by: rickyroge | November 3, 2010 6:45 PM

This was the same thing that Peter King said. McNabb has to make it work in DC or else he's going to be looking at a small contract from an irrelevant team. If Shanahan gives up on him, that will make two highly regarded coaches who think they would be better off without him.

Shanahan doesn't have to make it work in DC, at least not with McNabb.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 3, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"Kyle" is a good name for a father to horsewhip his son into line:


"Don't EVER let me catch you doing that again, KYLE!!!"

"That was a REAL smooth move, KYLE!!"

"What's that you got in your digestive tract, KYLE!!"

"I thought I told you to eat your Activia, KYLE!!!"

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

This is old stuff but I just got around to watching this behind the scenes "O-line Confidential" on the Skins:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-oline-confidential/09000d5d81b81020/O-Line-Confidential-Redskins-Week-6?module=HP_cp2

Kinda unsettling that Trent Williams has never heard of Willie Roaf though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I see we got another jackass Brandon Lloyd ball licker taking swipes at regs. Quiet Teeth, go home and wash out your beaver. It stinks like your mothers dead fish breath.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's been hours, maybe even a full day, since you started a political argument, lost the political argument, attacked your opponent, felt bad, then complained about politics being brought up on RI. I'll check back in a few hours and see how far you get through the cycle.

Posted by: mack1 | November 3, 2010 1:41 PM

Back to your old d0uchebaggery I see Mack. Don't be bitter, it's unbecoming. Just deal with the loss without the tears and crotch mutilation.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

What, no love for Santana Moss or Cooley? Actually, I think I'd say Cooley has been the offensive MVP. He's come back from injury just as sharp and might even be a better blocker this year.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 6:54 PM


They get love...I just realize that they aren't catching half the passes they have if McNabb isn't able to shake off DEs and sidestep pressure to get 'em the ball. Moss is playing well, Cooley's been kinda up and down, IMO...but McNabb gets the slight edge in my book.

I know I'm in the minority on that, but that's how I see it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I say Trent Williams is the offensive player of the first half...Actually, I think its NO CONTEST..

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I figured you a missed that comment scamp. So have your fox and friend buddies fixed the country yet?

Posted by: mack1 | November 3, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

How does Hall get more votes then Rak? Sure Hall has had some big games but he's also made a lot of costly errors that have come back to kill us. Rak has been consistent week in and week out.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | November 3, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I saw both T. Williams and Brandon Banks in red-white-and-blue Pro Bowl unis before the season started in a visionary dream..The rooks that we got right ...

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Watching this replay,the refs sure let the Lions get away with quite a few penalties in crucial situations..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | November 3, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

On offense, I go with Santana as MVP. He's the only guy other teams pay serious attention to -- there is a reason Armstrong doesn't see double teams often -- and Moss has been productive.

Couple of points from the game vs Det.

I liked that Moss hustled on the Suh fumble recovery, but he missed out on making a huge play. Shades of Don Beebe and leon lett. Suh started to celebrate to early and Moss had a chance to knock the ball free. If that happens, perhaps we recover it in the end zone or create a scramble that knocks it out of the end zone. Either way, the Skins would have gotten the ball back on a touchback. Of course, once Suh noticed Moss, he swatted him away like a gnat.

On the McNabb pick, I liked how Armstrong fought for the football. He lost the fight because the defender had much better position. Can't really tell if he failed to come back to the ball as well as he should. Still, that effort is the sort of thing that a good WR does.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Have to agree jumbo, as much as this game was lost by the ineptitude of the offense and coaches, the refs made a big contribution for the Lions.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 3, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Always thought that R. Moss was a world class doosh, but if it's true that Childress didn't debrief him in the week leading up to the NE game, then Childress should be canned.

I have this weird feeling that Fisher and Moss will make a good combo. Fisher knows how to stroke the ego of an overpaid pain in the ass. (No names mentioned.)

Posted by: NYPDee | November 3, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

HEYYYY, Jumbo!! Join the Cynics Club..They used electronic tablets in our voting area yesterday- How the hell are you gonna verify a bunch of election electrons??? You gotta paper or plastic or chromium that you can stick a punch through for actual, physical verification..Some company from Diebold, Nebraska was stamped on the voting tablets...a crock of sh*t...

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I think were getting close to the players vs coaches. Remeber how shanny vs big worth played out the players were with big worth most of the time. they'll be behind Dmac #5 even more.talking bout Dmac #5 is out of shape. first time I think shanny f`d up turkey face d-bag!!!

Posted by: labpatti | November 3, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I think were getting close to the players vs coaches. Remeber how shanny vs big worth played out the players were with big worth most of the time. they'll be behind Dmac #5 even more.talking bout Dmac #5 is out of shape. first time I think shanny f`d up turkey face d-bag!!!

Posted by: labpatti | November 3, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

ALL the bashing that goes on up here IS assinine, eh?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 3, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I figured you a missed that comment scamp. So have your fox and friend buddies fixed the country yet?

Posted by: mack1 | November 3, 2010 8:04 PM

As long as politicians are running the show there will be no fixes, only varying degrees of phukups.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

As long as politicians are running the show there will be no fixes, only varying degrees of phukups.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 3, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Ah, something we can all agree on!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 3, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

They had "White Zombie" on TCM the other day- whatta freakie old classic horror (the bird shrieks). The weird subtle details in the background...This song is always in my head since:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPNFVj-pISU

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Not only is DHall the defensive MVP... he should be in the conversation for OFFENSIVE MVP!

He matches our #1 WR (Moss), #1 TE (Cooley), and #1 RB (Portis) in TDs scored...

...AND, our #2 WR (Galloway) only has 3 more catches on offense than DHall has playing defense!

Posted by: Alan4 | November 3, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

As long as politicians are running the show there will be no fixes, only varying degrees of phukups.

Posted by: scampbell1975

SCamp,

As a newbie to California, don't get too upset that your gals lost in the CA elections. Reality is that the governor doesn't have much power, neither Whitman or Brown would have succeeded. Whitman was a very good CEO and, at least to me, was qualified for the job. But she didn't really want the governor job, it was the job after that she wanted. Brown probably is a better fit, he cares more about California and doesn't have a political 'next act' that he needs to get to. The legislature and its 2/3 budget requirement + all the propositions which tie everything up in knots is what dictates what goes on. Its a bad system. Practically speaking, I'm glad Whitman lost, but mostly because its not great to have someone spend $150million in an attempt to buy an election. That is independent of party. We've had several people attempt to buy a job ... none succeeded.

As for Fiorina, I know lots of HP folks. Have worked with HP for 25 years in several states + Europe and Asia. Fiorina was loathed by folks at HP. Ironically, she wasn't loathed because of the layoffs ... people there understood HP had too many people. It was her attitude towards the people at HP and a disrespect for the culture that was the issue. Just a bad CEO.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

This bye week we should be talking about how BAD McNabb has been, what a TERRIBLE trade it was to bring him here, and WHY would the Redskins resign HIM.

Instead, Shanahan gets fed up with his terrible play and horrible decision to throw into triple coverage and puts in a guy that couldn't hold McNabb's jock on McNabb's worse day.

McNabb should be thanking Shanahan.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Jigga, please. ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 5:17 PM |

Dude - you shouldn't be using racial epithets. Your posts are bad enough w/o having that sort of thing as well. This blog would be a better place if you just went away and never came back. But that's probably like asking a wolf to ignore a lamb chop.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

This bye week we should be talking about how BAD McNabb has been, what a TERRIBLE trade it was to bring him here, and WHY would the Redskins resign HIM.

Instead, Shanahan gets fed up with his terrible play and horrible decision to throw into triple coverage and puts in a guy that couldn't hold McNabb's jock on McNabb's worse day.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 9:47 PM |

We have been talking about that stuff. Don't know where you have been. The mixed bag that is MS has been emerging. The dude knows his Xs and Os but with that you also get the dude that made a bad personnel decision to give up valuable draft picks to get a over-the-hill, not-that-good McN and the dude that creates unnecessary and distracting drama out of hinky situations.

Posted by: TubularBells | November 3, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TubularBells

I'm referring to the DC media and how the story dominates the radio/papers/tv. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of McNabb being a victim even though we've won in spite of him. D F'in Hall has single handily won two games for us.

They are entirely focused on McNabb being benched for Rex and not the fact that 8 games into the season and a 2nd & 3rd/4th pick later that Shanahan(s) have realized that they made a mistake.

McNabb has been TERRIBLE but the decision to bring him here was worse.

+AND I realize that the 2010 OL rivals the 2009 OL+

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb has been TERRIBLE but the decision to bring him here was worse.

+AND I realize that the 2010 OL rivals the 2009 OL+"

Yer smellin' moley there, Diesel...Jesus-Sammy-Baugh-Unitas-Namath-Jurgensen-Montana-United couldn't survive the (systematic??) jailbreak going on there...McNabb has quick feet, which has saved many, many a play..No one should feel righteous backstabbing on McNabb until the Skins improve that line...PERIOD.


Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Free Derrick Dockery!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

No one should feel righteous backstabbing on McNabb until the Skins improve that line...PERIOD.

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 10:28 PM

Thank you. That's why it was a bad trade.

McNabb is a 33-year-old quarterback who has hit a plateau, is playing in a new system (pooly), and has regressed. Jason Campbell is a 28-year-old quarterback who is still improving and was about as efficient as McNabb over the last two seasons, despite having inferior weapons in the passing game. McNabb now inherits those inferior weapons. It’s an IMPROVEMENT at the position, but not a big improvement.

EVERYBODY knew this team wasn't a 33 yr QB away from being a contender and 8 games in the Shanahans have realized that they made a mistake.

It's better to right than righteous in the game of football.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you shouldn't be using racial epithets. Your posts are bad enough w/o having that sort of thing as well. This blog would be a better place if you just went away and never came back. But that's probably like asking a wolf to ignore a lamb chop.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 9:47 PM
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Thank goodness you came along to protect us decent folks from the likes of that promoter of social injustice, Moe. I don't know what us normal bloggers with do without you defending the quality of the blog...

Listen, lamb chop, I am fine with what Moe writes, and if you're sensitive about what Moe writes, you must have a real problem with some of the other posts on here. If you really are of that delicate of a nature, perhaps you would enjoy posting on the "Men Who Wear Panties" blog.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Free Selvish Capers!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Diesel- NONOnonono, you cannot put McNabb into the same box as Campbell- McNabb is MUCH more poised under pressure than the hesitant Campbell...He's also a more charismatic and communicative LEAD-ERRR, the fault mainly lies in the Shanahan's perception of what our offense is and what is to be expected...They honestly made an effort to correct the edges by signing Trent and Jammal, but Rabach's weakness at center appear to be getting worse and worse...And HE'S the O-lines' playcalling captain!! Dockery's benching in hindsight made absolutely no sense, and the coaches haven't been able to adapt to ace backfield blocker Portis's absence...My "Inner Cynic" says maybe their going for higher draft position, stranger things have happened...Once again, the year Kilmer/Jurgensen were in the SB, the years Theismann, D Williams and Rypien were in the Super Bowl, the team's "sacks allowed" numbers were ALWAYS at the TOP of the League...I mean, LOW...We don't have a Pittsburgh defense that can carry Ben Roethlisberger being sacked to death into the Super Bowl...Our model is closer to New Orleans and a turnover-happy defense , but the O-line is inadequate..

Posted by: frak | November 3, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone post this? Seems like the Skins added a WR.

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JaMarcus Russell wasn’t the only free agent the Redskins brought to Redskins Park for a Tuesday afternoon tryout.

According to multiple league sources, former South Florida standout Taurus Johnson has agreed to terms and will be added to Washington’s practice squad on Sunday. Johnson, who left the UFL to pursue NFL opportunities in October, spent time on the Lions’ and Dolphins’ practice squads.

Former New England Patriot Chad Jackson, who played at the University of Florida and who spent some time in Denver during Mike Shanahan’s final season, also worked out at Redskins Park. League sources said that “he impressed them,” but that “having no practice squad eligibility hurt his chances.

One other note on the wide receiver position: The Redskins apparently had interest in bringing former Viking Troy Williamson in for a workout on Tuesday. Williamson didn’t make the trip to Ashburn, Va., however.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHLsNeEUyaE

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

TWISI- I did last night. I also asked who was cut from the PS.

Either way it's DM5 being benched all day and all night.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

TWISI-

Redskins Finally Have a WR Over 6' Tall; UFL WR Taurus Johnson Signed to Practice Squad

by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 2, 2010 5:47 PM EDT in

3 months ago: Cleveland Browns wide receiver Taurus Johnson, right, catches a pass against cornerback Brandon McDonald (22) during practice at the NFL football team's training camp Thursday, Aug. 19, 2010, in Berea, Ohio. (AP Photo/Mark Duncan)

Here's the updated (but not full) list of players the Redskins worked out today courtesy of Jason LaCanfora:

JP Losman, Taurus Johnson, Chad Jackson, Jamarcus Russell, Charles Grant, William Joseph, Justin Miller, Ty Hill, and WR Bobbie Williams.

Taurus Johnson was a 4-year WR at South Florida. He was originally signed by Kansas City as an undrafted free agent last season, and he spent parts of the 2009 season on Detroit and Miami's practice squads. He was waived by Miami on August 12, 2010 and signed by Cleveland on August 16, 2010, but saw no time and ended up playing in the UFL catching 2 TDs.

Grant Paulsen reported that WR Chad Jackson, formerly of the Patriots and Broncos, was brought to Redskins Park to tryout as well but wasn't signed since he is not practice squad eligible. I have an idea, how about sign him and cut Galloway or Roydell Williams. 6'1, 223 lbs, 25 years old and has played in the NFL for 3 years (two under Belichick)....so he's used to playing under stubborn coaches.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 2, 2010 7:48 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 3, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44 in hindsight, it's looking more and more like trading for McNabb was a waste. Giving up 2 picks for a guy that seems to have one foot out the door half way through the season. My gut says tha Shanny would want to resign DMac, but not at DMac's rumored asking price.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has played poorly, but Shanny Jr. has not helped him out with his playcalling. There are things you can do as a coach to counteract a strong up-the middle pass rush.

Screen passes to the RB: Kyle didn't call many of these. McNabb has a history of success throwing screens. The one that Kyle did call resulted in a TD, so you'd think he would try some more.

Bubble screens to the WRs: These get the ball out of the QB's hands quickly. Moss has a history at being sucessful on these plays. Banks also had sucess on this play in the preseason.

QB Rollouts: If the rush is comming up the middle, move the QB out of the middle. McNabb has a history of being able to complete passes on the move, but Kyle wasn't calling plays designed to move Mcnabb out of the pocket. The only times he was out of the pocket is when he was running for his life.

Shanny Jr. needs to adapt his playcalling to counteract what defenses are doing to us instead of trying to impose his scheme regardless of the consequences.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 3, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Free Selvish Capers!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 10:58 PM

If Eric Cook is freed, it'd mean the end of the Rabach era in DC. IMO that'd be a move that would give the team the best chance of winning.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Capers...? Cook...?
It would be nice if any of the Post reporters would pay any attention to them and give us a REPORT on how thay are progressing. None of us have any idea if they are anywhere near being ready to play. Wouldn't it be nice if someone on the Post's sports staff actually gave a thought to reporting on this considering how well our current O-line woes have been documented?

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Free Poopy McPoop !!!


Ha Haaa Haaaa Ha Ha Haaa Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaaaaa!

Posted by: OG_Barno | November 4, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 3, 2010 9:21 PM |

Not bothered that Whitman lost. She was waaaay too wishy washy. It seemed like she was trying to please everyone. That never works. Brown's a d0uche though and he doesn't worry me. No one is gonna pas tak hikes in this state right now without commiting political suicide. Both of those candidates had disapproval ratings at 50%. What does that say about the garbage we had to pick from? The fact that Whitman and Fiorrina (sp?) got as close as they did in California sends a message loud and clear. By the way...it's no longer 2/3 majority needed to pass the budget, it's a simple majority.

The one proposition that that went down that irritates me is Prop 23. The libs tried to say it was an environmental issue when if you actually pay attention all it is is a mandate for the govt. to tax the hell out of energy companies. Guess who that savings gets passed on to. There is some speculation that because of the failure of this proposition that certain areas could have $9 a gallon gas. That's just the beginning.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Capers...? Cook...?
It would be nice if any of the Post reporters would pay any attention to them and give us a REPORT on how thay are progressing. None of us have any idea if they are anywhere near being ready to play. Wouldn't it be nice if someone on the Post's sports staff actually gave a thought to reporting on this considering how well our current O-line woes have been documented?


Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 12:03 AM

Send J Reid an email. No wait, he'll just think you're asking about Haynesworth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Send J Reid an email. No wait, he'll just think you're asking about Haynesworth.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 12:12 AM

Actually, I sent him an e-mail last week suggesting that an interesting bye-week topic would be a progress report on ALL of our practice squad players.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Jigga, please. ...

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 3, 2010 5:17 PM |

Dude - you shouldn't be using racial epithets. Your posts are bad enough w/o having that sort of thing as well. This blog would be a better place if you just went away and never came back. But that's probably like asking a wolf to ignore a lamb chop.

Posted by: QuietTeeth | November 3, 2010 9:47 PM

Dude - you shouldn't post anymore. You're like one of those children that have to gain attention by putting everyone around them down. So here is the attention that you desire, however sad and pathetic it is.
I bet you were an emo kid...then again, you probably don't have the guts to cut yourself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Are Capers and/or Cook ready to help our failing O-line?

Would Austin be an upgrade over Galloway or R. Williams?

Could Anderson Russell be an effective replacement for Doughty or Horton?

Your guess is as good as mine because no one at the post is reporting on this.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Free Selvish Capers!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 3, 2010 10:58 PM

If Eric Cook is freed, it'd mean the end of the Rabach era in DC. IMO that'd be a move that would give the team the best chance of winning.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2010 11:52 PM

Would be interesting to see what they both could do....

Posted by: edvar | November 4, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

If Eric Cook is freed, it'd mean the end of the Rabach era in DC. IMO that'd be a move that would give the team the best chance of winning.

Posted by: TWISI | November 3, 2010 11:52 PM

Would be interesting to see what they both could do....

Posted by: edvar | November 4, 2010 12:36 AM

No way they could be worse. I've been all over Rabach for two years. I can't believe besides his line calls he's even in the league.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

RE: QuietTeeth
I bet you were an emo kid...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 12:34 AM

Naw, he wants to form a boy-band... "New Trolls on the Blog"

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 12:44 AM | Report abuse

"Your guess is as good as mine because no one at the post is reporting on this."

The Post's staff are not "homers", like Reid and Wise said on cable a few weeks ago..Therefore, their desire to delve deeply into the local teams is only motivated by need for money and status (the end all, be all)...Wise is just reflecting his own jaded attitude when he says, "Bid Adieu To Loyalty"...The Post reporters have become sh*ts, really, seeking to pick at any scabrous wound on the team for their own "professional" advancement..So, NYAAH!!!..


Posted by: frak | November 4, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Naw, he wants to form a boy-band... "New Trolls on the Blog"


Posted by: kaasmaster | November 4, 2010 12:44 AM |

His name should be Bob C0ck.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

One of the questions that will dog us is whether it was better to use a 2nd rounder last draft and a 3rd rounder in the upcoming draft on Mcnabb, or Keep JC-17 and trade the 2nd rounder back for more middle picks and use them on interior O linemen like G/C Jon Asamoah and/or Center J.D. Walton or G/OT Shawn Lauvao or G Jacques McClendon - All of whom are 3rd or 4th round picks and are on the active rosters for their teams and many of whom have already started.

What if?

Posted by: edvar | November 4, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

One of the questions that will dog us is whether it was better to use a 2nd rounder last draft and a 3rd rounder in the upcoming draft on Mcnabb, or Keep JC-17 and trade the 2nd rounder back for more middle picks and use them on interior O linemen like G/C Jon Asamoah and/or Center J.D. Walton or G/OT Shawn Lauvao or G Jacques McClendon - All of whom are 3rd or 4th round picks and are on the active rosters for their teams and many of whom have already started.

What if?

Posted by: edvar | November 4, 2010 1:01 AM

That's actually almost exactly what I was pushing for...without the specific draftees identified.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | November 4, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Think about this...

We were 4-12 last year. We had a complete turnover with regards to the staff and FO (much needed).

Now explain to me why we traded TWO high picks for a 33 yr old flawed QB when we had numerous needs?

Are we better than last year? YES.

Are we better next year and moving forward? NO when it comes to personnel.

That's the RUB, not that Shanahan benched an underperforming and aged QB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

One of the questions that will dog us is whether it was better to use a 2nd rounder last draft and a 3rd rounder in the upcoming draft on Mcnabb, or Keep JC-17 and trade the 2nd rounder back for more middle picks and use them on interior O linemen like G/C Jon Asamoah and/or Center J.D. Walton or G/OT Shawn Lauvao or G Jacques McClendon - All of whom are 3rd or 4th round picks and are on the active rosters for their teams and many of whom have already started.

What if?

Posted by: edvar

I'm starting to think that the biggest problem isn't the personnel, but still the age-old Snyder problem that the management and coaches aren't settled into a functioning and winning pattern (yet?)..Like all previous infections and incursions, we should be patient, and in my gravely addicted case, perhaps it's better to turn away altogether, like the moth from the flame...I bid you adieu, Children Of The Black Hole, peaceout...

Posted by: frak | November 4, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

One of the questions that will dog us is whether it was better to use a 2nd rounder last draft and a 3rd rounder in the upcoming draft on Mcnabb, or Keep JC-17 and trade the 2nd rounder back for more middle picks and use them on interior O linemen like G/C Jon Asamoah and/or Center J.D. Walton or G/OT Shawn Lauvao or G Jacques McClendon - All of whom are 3rd or 4th round picks and are on the active rosters for their teams and many of whom have already started.

What if?

Posted by: edvar

I wouldn't have done the McNabb trade. My approach was to swap 1st round picks with Sea (probably would still have gotten TW, though it might have been Okung) and get another pick with that swap. Then use that pick + the 2 picks we used to get Donovan + maybe something else to go after Pouncey, now the C for Pittsburgh.

McNabb is $11million, the rest are around $4million: Campbell, Pouncey and Rabach. Pouncey + Campbell is $7million less than Donovan + Rabach. I'd have also considered trading for Mankins. he wants about $8million per year. Probably would have cost a 2nd round pick to NE to get him. But for about the same $$, you'd have Campbell+Pouncey+Mankins instead of McNabb+Rabach+Hicks+a 2nd round pick. I'd still have preferred scenario 1.

I asked a question up here a few weeks back: would you rather have Mankins + Campbell (about $12million) or McNabb + Hicks (about $14million). McNabb + Hicks was the big winner at the time. Probably be a good bit closer today.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2010 1:52 AM | Report abuse

The one proposition that that went down that irritates me is Prop 23. The libs tried to say it was an environmental issue when if you actually pay attention all it is is a mandate for the govt. to tax the hell out of energy companies. Guess who that savings gets passed on to. There is some speculation that because of the failure of this proposition that certain areas could have $9 a gallon gas. That's just the beginning.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Huh? Prop 23 failed, its status quo right now. The biggest growth sector in California jobs right now is related to AB32 -- the law that prop 23 wanted to suspend essentially permanently.

As for $9 gas, not likely. The equivalent cost of a gallon of gas with an electric vehicle is about $2/gallon. The problems are obvious, few vehicles, no charging infrastructure etc. But higher gas prices will simply drive viable alternative technologies more quickly.

Right now, oil companies are playing a clever game. As long as they can make a case that gas is more economical, alternative forms of energy for vehicles will move slowly. They want occasional price spikes, but sustained high gas prices accelerates their competition.

The last major energy price spikes in CA were driven by market manipulation. The oil speculative price spikes (a national issue when oil briefly hit $140/barrel) and the Enron driven crisis in 2001(?).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 4, 2010 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Cracks me up that all the "trading for McNabb was a mistake" folks are failing to realize we lose at least 2 more games this year without him. I mean, it's like you guys don't watch the games or something...

Also love how we complained about how many screen plays we ran in the Gibbs 2.0 Era, yet now we're clamoring for more screen plays from the Shanahans.

Oh how us fans are so fickle...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:26 AM | Report abuse

5 midseason questions facing the Redskins
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
11/04/10 2:39 AM EDT

1. Will Donovan McNabb remain in Washington? It’s clearly not his call at this point. McNabb’s inconsistent fundamentals and footwork can’t sit well with a coach, Mike Shanahan, who points to footwork as the key to good quarterback play. Perhaps McNabb will get on a roll after the break and force a big contract extension. But it’s more likely that the Redskins will have traded two picks to Philadelphia for a one-year rental.

2. Can the defense carry them? The defense has enough playmakers to continue impacting games: LaRon Landry, DeAngelo Hall, Brian Orakpo and Albert Haynesworth are capable of big plays in key moments. That’s why Washington has created 19 turnovers, tied for tops in the NFL. They’ll have to match that total for this team to have a shot at the postseason. It’s not unreasonable.

3. Can the running game be consistent? Not with the health situation in the backfield. It’s still uncertain when Clinton Portis will return, and now Ryan Torain has a hamstring injury. The key is getting Portis back healthy. They miss him badly in pass protection. His experience and violence in protection are needed. But considering his health issues in each of the past three seasons, it’s hard to see him as a full-time every-down back. That means Torain must stay healthy. Can he?

4. Will Shanahan lose the locker room? It depends on his handling of McNabb going forward. The players have expressed confidence in Shanahan; they know his resume — and they know he has the power. That won’t change, and it does matter. But his offensive moves haven’t paid off. And if Shanahan goes away from McNabb or he makes him a scapegoat, that won’t sit well. At some point players would have to wonder whether Shanahan is trying to win or prove a point.

5. Will they make the playoffs? It’s a funny question to ask this week after Shanahan’s version of “The Decision.” They’ll likely need at least nine wins, and that appears difficult with this offense. Their most difficult remaining games: two vs. the New York Giants and one at Tennessee. Win one of those three and there’s a chance; but they’d have to go 4-1 against Philadelphia, Minnesota, Tampa Bay, Jacksonville and Dallas. All are winnable games, but so were Detroit and St. Louis.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/5-midseason-questions-facing-the-Redskins-106672478.html#ixzz14IvNC6rS

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:29 AM | Report abuse

What we’ve learned through eight weeks
By: John Keim
Examiner Staff Writer
11/03/10 11:20 PM EDT

1. The defensive coaches have adjusted well to their talent » They tried to turn Andre Carter into an outside linebacker, realized early on that it wouldn’t work and now use him as a situational end. They wanted Albert Haynesworth to play nose tackle, realized that wasn’t working and now use him as a situational rusher. Maybe neither move should have been attempted, but at least they recognized those facts sooner rather than later. Carter hasn’t fully regained his rushing mojo from last year but had better rushes vs. Detroit. They also inserted LaRon Landry at strong safety and even when free safety Kareem Moore was hurt resisted any temptation to move him. Landry has turned into the Redskins’ best player.

2. The Redskins’ defense does a good job in the base 3-4 vs. the run and usually rushes the passer well out of the nickel » But the base defense produces zero rush, and the nickel struggles vs. the run. This is where Haynesworth’s inability to pick up the 3-4 hurts. He would impact the base defense’s ability to pressure quarterbacks without having to use the nickel.

3. Donovan McNabb is not an accurate passer » Oh, wait, we knew that from his 11 seasons in Philadelphia. But he has been popular in the locker room — maybe even more so after this past week. However, it’s also clear that his passes are impacted by his leg injuries. On one two-point conversion pass, McNabb threw with all arm, and the pass sailed over an open Fred Davis. The fourth-quarter interception resulted from another throw with no leg involvement, leading to a pass with no zip.

4. The Redskins do have several pleasant surprises, starting with linebacker Lorenzo Alexander » He’s made himself into one of the most important players on the team with his ability to play the run, cover and excel on special teams. Anthony Armstrong is a good find, though best suited as a No. 3 receiver. Brandon Banks is an electrifying returner. There are good parts to this season, and a 4-4 mark is not unexpected. Considering most experts pegged them around seven or eight wins, they’re as good as anticipated. However, they’ll still have to undergo a roster overhaul in the offseason.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/What-weve-learned-through-eight-weeks-106661283.html#ixzz14IwQW4nq

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:31 AM | Report abuse

Studs and Duds: By John Keim

Yes, a little late. You can thank Mike Shanahan and Donovan McNabb for that.

Studs

SS LaRon Landry. The guy was all over the place once again. There’s no doubt he’s been the MVP of the defense in the first half and one of the more enjoyable players to watch here in a while. The Redskins used him in many ways, too. At times he was in the slot vs. Calvin Johnson, with corner help over the top. He was a factor vs. the run and finished with eight tackles, including two for a loss. He also had two passes defensed. Loved how fast he came up on those tackles in the slot. Darn impressive. That’s a case of excellent recognition and being decisive and fast. The combo leads to terrific plays.

LB London Fletcher. He only finished with four tackles, but he had a good game in coverage and, well, it was his 200th straight game. Fletcher had his usual strong diagnosis of a play on a run in the second quarter out of the nickel package. Because Fletcher reacted so fast, the backside guard could not get to him. On the next play, he slowed the screen pass with his pursuit and that enabled others to get to the ball. He knocked away two passes while covering Brandon Pettigrew, including one in the end zone. And he recovered a fumble caused by Phillip Buchanon.

NG Maake Kemoeatu. His best game by far. I’ve been critical of him, but more so from the standpoint that I wasn’t sure what he had left. His leg strength just didn’t look good in the summer or early in the season. He was too easy to drive out. The Lions tried to block him one-on-one and he did a good job of holding his ground and, because Adam Carriker and Lorenzo Alexander played the run well also, Kemoeatu was able to slide down the line and make a few tackles (he had two; both came when he shed blocks to make plays). Kemoeatu will never make a lot of plays; he just can’t get moved back as much as he was early in the year.

KR/ PR Brandon Banks. Love the little man. He’s so good you even forget about the near fumbles, though I have a feeling in some game that we’ll all remember one of his drops. But, Sunday, he was electrifying and he runs with a lot of confidence. What I liked on his 35-yard punt return was his patience; he caught the ball, paused, scanned and broke. Because he accelerates so fast, he can afford to be a bit more patient. And that allows holes to open. His kick return for a touchdown was set up well by his blockers, but he gets to the outside so quick that Detroit erred by having six covermen between the far right hash and the sideline. Mistake. The Lions then started kicking away from him; others will follow.

WR Anthony Armstrong. Well, he did average 30.7 yards on three catches. He did a good job fooling the safety with a little half-step to the right, selling the post, then cutting back to the corner. He had to wait on a couple of the passes or he might have gained more yards. He did miss a block, but, like I said, he averaged 30.7 ypc.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Duds

QB Donovan McNabb. For all the controversy at game’s end, it’s necessary to remember that he was playing poorly. And I get the part about not having a lot left with his legs. When he was throwing the ball in the fourth quarter, it seemed half the time he did so with all arm. That led to an errant throw on his first two-point conversion to Fred Davis and it was a factor on the interception. Of course, so was the decision to throw into such a tight spot. But if he’d had any zip on the ball maybe it gets completed. McNabb’s legs looked fine on his scramble, but he was not always planting and delivering bullets the way he has in the past.

Mike Shanahan. He mishandled the McNabb situation from the start. All he had to do after the game was to say that they had talked to Donovan during the week and determined that if he was struggling, they would take him out because of his injury. Instead, Shanahan created more issues by initially blaming it on his inability to grasp the two-minute offense. As Jerry Seinfeld once said, “That’s a pretty big matzoh ball” hanging out there. It was a mistake you’d expect a younger coach to make.

LT Trent Williams. OK, he wasn’t completely awful, not like some others. But he’s also the fourth pick in the draft and he hasn’t been playing that way. Maybe it was seeing Ndamukong Suh dominate the way he did; he’s a rookie, too. Anyway, Williams was adequate at best. He failed to see Kyle Vanden Bosch coming on a blitz around him; he was occupied with a double team on Suh. He allowed Suh to get inside of him on a tackle for a loss and then again on a sack. Williams was caught reaching too much for Vanden Bosch another time leading to pressure. Some of what ails Williams is the knock that he had at Oklahoma; you can blitz through him. There’s a reason teams seem to be stunting more vs. this side of the line; it’s not just him as an experienced and savvy guard would have been a major help to him. He also was called for holding vs. Vanden Bosch.

C Casey Rabach. A couple blocks were unbelievably difficult for him to execute. For example, if the play is going to his right and the linemen he’s supposed to block is lined up over his right shoulder, he’s automatically at a disadvantage. In that situation, his job is to try and keep his man sliding along the line. But he was unable to do that. And Rabach was knocked back enough off the snap to cause McNabb to stumble and fall. He had a holding penalty and struggled against Corey Williams’ power. He did have some decent combo blocks with Artis Hicks in the fourth quarter and got to the linebacker a

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Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:42 AM | Report abuse

LG Kory Lichtensteiger. Believe it or not, he does have some good plays in games. On Keiland Williams’ touchdown run, the ‘Steiger helped on a block and then sealed a linebacker inside. Did the same a couple plays before that, too. Just need to be fair because he’s been singled out as the biggest issue on the line and I don’t think he is; right tackle is a bigger problem. And, yes, I know Derrick Dockery is here; clearly they want a guard with good feet and not good size. But guard is a problem, so let’s move on… Lichtensteiger always will have issues facing any linemen with strength (which is most of them). It’s hard because when teams stunt, you want the guard to have some punch to get them off stride. Lichtensteiger can’t do that; his jabs aren’t packed with power. Williams shoved him back a couple times. There were also some failed stunt pickups, though, in fairness it’s hard to know who was at fault. It appeared at times that ‘Steiger and Williams were in different protections, one being in man and the other in zone. At least I hope that’s the case because that can be solved through experience. Regardless, a lot of issues once again.

RT Stephon Heyer. I’ll cut him a little slack on the fourth-down sack by Cliff Avril late in the game because it was clear that Ndamukong Suh was holding him. But, cripes, had he gotten off faster maybe the officials would have seen his jersey being tugged. Heyer, though, couldn’t do that. He allowed Avril to get past him another time and his footwork at times was really off. Avril beat him for heavy pressure on Rex Grossman’s first play, getting into Heyer’s chest and moving him back and then collapsing on Grossman. Got caught with his head down on another rush, but was bailed out by Artis Hicks.

Reed Doughty. Again, sometimes it only takes one play to land on this list – especially if it’s a bad one. And that’s what happened with Doughty. His block in the back negated a kickoff return for a touchdown by Brandon Banks. Doughty did have a good block on the one that was returned for a score. But this mistake was a doozy.

WR Joey Galloway. My fellow Buckeye just doesn’t seem to run his routes with much urgency these days. Makes it hard for a quarterback to trust. Galloway used to be an excellent receiver; those days ended a few years ago. I’m still waiting to see what he and Roydell Williams add.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Suds (half-stud, half-dud)

RB Keiland Williams. Listen, he shouldn’t be in this situation. Williams is an undrafted free agent who tries hard and needs time to develop. But he is in the game so that means he must produce. I like that he’s a willing pass protector, but the Lions took advantage of his inexperience. And I’m sure Williams is finding that there’s a major difference between protecting in college and in the NFL. When he does meet guys in the backfield, he often slows but does not stop them. That’s how one Detroit safety got a pressure on a blitz. Another time, Williams went to help on Suh and didn’t see the blitz. Not sure if that was his job on the play, but eventually he’ll learn to adjust and in the future would go at the blitzer. The seven sacks were not all the result of the line. I did like how Williams ran; got the yards that were available and he scored a touchdown so good for him.

CB DeAngelo Hall. Really, he’s on here for one play because I didn’t think he had a great game. Wasn’t bad, but wasn’t great. But he made a wonderful play on the interception, using his body well vs. Calvin Johnson. Matthew Stafford failed to throw a high pass and Hall picked it off in the end zone. Johnson, though, was a stud most of the game.

DL Albert Haynesworth. I thought he was pretty good at times and non-existent at others. Haynesworth did have a sack, two tackles for a loss and a quarterback hurry. But he also stood up as a rusher way too much. In fact, one time he was caught around 3-4 yards off the ball when it was snapped and then bumped into LB Rocky McIntosh. Another time on a stunt he slowed Vonnie Holliday because it appeared he took a bad angle. Details, man. When he stands up he gets very little explosion. It's a bit of a waste.

NOTE
DE Phillip Daniels is not on the duds list for a simple reason. I thought he got hosed on the call where he jumped offsides on the field goal. The long snapper flinched and others jumped, too.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Studs-and-Duds-Redskins-Lions-106656268.html#ixzz14IzfhcvT

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

You gotta be Lakidding about the votes on LaRon. Hard hits and lousy coverage are a bad mix. He's all about his hits and not about technique.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | November 4, 2010 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Holy Santa Claus sh*t.

I like John Clayton, but I sure hope he's wrong on this:

"Here's my bold prediction for the Redskins: They will be the team to go after Michael Vick. Shanahan can do a lot of things with quarterbacks who move well in the pocket. He got the best out of Jake Plummer. The only problem with getting Vick is how the Eagles handle him.

Vick probably would give the Eagles a discount to stay because of how the organization gave him a chance to resurrect his career. A free agent after the season, Vick also could be franchised to block a move to Washington, but to do so would cost the Eagles around $15 million.

Teams such as the Seahawks, Jaguars, 49ers, Browns and Bills will all be looking at some of the top quarterbacks in the draft. Shanahan wants to win now. Sure, he may first try to trade for Jay Cutler, but if that doesn't work out, watch him go for Vick."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5758995

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:13 AM | Report abuse

You gotta be Lakidding about the votes on LaRon. Hard hits and lousy coverage are a bad mix. He's all about his hits and not about technique.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | November 4, 2010 6:12 AM


Are you watching film of 2009? Because it's 2010 now and LL is a legit Defensive Player of the Year candidate. Try and keep up, Skippy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:16 AM | Report abuse

I like John Clayton, but I sure hope he's wrong on this:

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:13 AM

I would rather see him sign Vick than trade a bunch of picks to move up and grab one of the elite QBs in the draft. I wouldn't mind, either, if he traded for Cutler. He knows Cutler and he didn't finish what he started with him. First choice, though, is still for McNabb to step up his game and sign with us for three years. It could happen, although if Reid couldn't get it done I don't know that Shanahan will.

Morons up here love to put Shanahan down by saying "He never won a Super Bowl without Elway as his QB." Well Reid never won a Super Bowl with McNabb as his QB.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I want NO parts of Cutler whatsoever. He's Jeff George 2.0 and we've already gone down that road before...

I still think there's a chance McNabb pulls it together in spite of the lack of help he's getting. If we're judging him on fantasy numbers, then he's gone. If we're judging him on the intangibles that have us at 4-4 instead of 2-6 or 1-7, then there's a chance at this.

BTW...great column on the McNabb saga on Foxsports.com--without all the misguided race garbage like Jason Thicklock threw up:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Donovan-McNabb-too-nice-110210

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Brown,

Clayton looks like one of the aliens from the Star Wars movies.

The only guy I believe when it comes to Shanny is Shefter.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 6:43 AM | Report abuse

By the way Beep...I don't think we'd have to trade up for one of the QBs in the 2011 draft...this is an 8-8 team. Probably picking in the middle of the 1st round anyway.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

I still think there's a chance McNabb pulls it together in spite of the lack of help he's getting. If we're judging him on fantasy numbers, then he's gone. If we're judging him on the intangibles that have us at 4-4 instead of 2-6 or 1-7, then there's a chance at this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:42 AM

If it weren't for the intangibles, I don't think Shanahan would have traded for him. I think Shanahan is judging him on whether he can take coaching. Like any coach, he believed he could say the magic words to raise McNabb from a B+ to an A.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Clayton looks like one of the aliens from the Star Wars movies.

The only guy I believe when it comes to Shanny is Shefter.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 6:43 AM


I hate Sean Salisbury...but the only thing he ever said right on ESPN is that John Clayton looks like the Cryptkeeper. Easily one of the ugliest, funniest-looking mugs on television.

You're right on Schefter...that dude wrote a book with Shanahan, used to be a beat writer for the Broncos, and is so far up his ass that Shanahan can't take a sh*t without it having to side step Schefter's Herman Munster-esque dome.

Maybe the WaPo could make a run at him to take over RI...God knows he couldn't possibly be worse than what's here now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Fairly interesting stuff from Michael Lombardi on NFL.com:

Two-minute drill sergeant

My first reaction to the benching of McNabb when watching the game was one of shock. I wondered how Shanahan was going to win back McNabb's trust. Then I listened to his press conference, where he first said he made the move because Grossman had a better understanding of the two-minute offense, only to change his tune the next day, saying Grossman was in better physical shape to handle the situation.

Now, I have great respect for Shanahan as a coach and worked for him during the 2007 season. But this move is puzzling, in part, because of the inconsistent explanations provided by Shanahan.

The 'Skins are ranked 23rd in the NFL in two-minute efficiency. They are 31st in both sacks allowed and converting third downs -- essential elements of running a successful two-minute drill. None of these stats have anything to do with McNabb's knowledge or conditioning, but rather the Redskins' inability to pass protect, especially in all pass situations.

So why take issue with McNabb and potentially risk losing his trust? Is this a surprise to Washington that McNabb isn't always best operating in the two-minute drill? Is it surprising to the Redskins that Andy Reid, his former coach in Philly, called all the plays in two-minute drills, limiting McNabb's ability to change plays and thus focusing on execution rather than audibles? The 'Skins were giddy when they first traded for McNabb, but did they really know what kind of player they were building their team around?

McNabb took too much heat from Philadelphia fans, in part because he was never able to win the big game. But also because there were times during the two-minute drill that the offense sputtered under his direction (something some of his former teammates have since acknowledged). In the final two minutes of games over his 156-game career, McNabb has thrown 30 touchdowns and 19 interceptions, completing 55 percent of his passes. Those numbers are only slightly lower than his career averages, which means he's not really a liability in that situation.

So no matter what the rhetoric is coming from the Shanahan camp, the underlying issue is they had a problem with McNabb -- a problem they did not anticipate when they made the trade on Easter Sunday.

With eight games to go, one can only conclude that any extension talk will be hinged to whether Shanahan and his son, offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, feel they can develop their offense around McNabb. No progress is going to be made on a new contract until the landscape is clearer, including the understanding of what other quarterbacks might be available when it comes time to sign McNabb.

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Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

continued...

Right now there is doubt in the minds of the Shanahans about McNabb. They have not been consistent or forthcoming with the reasons for their lack of faith. So being patient is the right course of action for them, if they can repair what happened in Detroit on Sunday.

McNabb was taken aback by the move, and his body language on the sideline expressed as much. He was angry, he was disappointed, and the competitor in him wanted to run that two-minute drill.

Now, during the bye week, there has to be a meeting between McNabb and Shanahan, and from that meeting there must be a level of expectation placed on the shoulders of the quarterback. Shanahan must be honest, direct and forthcoming. Once McNabb is told what is expected of him, then all that is left is the evaluation of those expectations.

The Redskins' next eight games and all of their forthcoming two-minute drills will let us know clearly whether Washington intends on extending McNabb's contract beyond this season.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Cracks me up that all the "trading for McNabb was a mistake" folks are failing to realize we lose at least 2 more games this year without him. I mean, it's like you guys don't watch the games or something...

Oh how us fans are so fickle...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:26 AM |

but brown, that's the point in rebuilding right there. if we as fans say we're ready for change, want to go in another direction, and we're willing to be patient for a couple of years, than who gives a rats behind about winning a couple more games. of course we want a winner asap, but you want to WIN NOW, and that's why the new FO traded for mcnabb and brown. I'm afraid it's a foolish way to operate and it has set us back yet again in regards to rebuilding this franchise. unless we change our ways, more of the same.

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 7:09 AM | Report abuse

Hess, you give our fellow fans too much credit...if fans cared as much about rebuilding as you say, nobody's saying "get Housh" or "get Moss" or "trade for Mankins". Why the Skins can buck the "build thru the draft" model for those guys and then we're insane for getting McNabb isn't consistent.

That doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things...what absolutely baffles me is what Shanahan thought he was getting when he made this deal. I mean, this is like marrying a hooker and then getting mad when you end up with crabs. What did you think would happen?

Probably hindsight talking, but if you're gonna deal away multiple picks for a guy who you wanna "fix", why not trade up for Sam Bradford instead of trying to teach a dog new tricks? Anyone with an ounce of common sense knows if you get a 33 year-old QB you're not going to get far trying to change his mechanics and what not...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

hESSONE

but brown, that's the point in rebuilding right there


And that's where I am, Hess:

Why should we build around a vet with warts?

Me?: I'd druther draft a young'n who has had a ton o' starts in a an NFL-lite system (Ryan Mallett, Andrew Luck, Christian Ponder), and continue to fix the offensive line in front of him.

McNabb has made mistakes in the bears' and lions' games that are rookie-like.

And what we don't know as fans is what else he's done that's unsettling to the Shanahans as we don't have game tape.

All we notice is that the redskin offense tends to disappear for long stretches of games, and doesn't take advantage the turnovers defense has secured.

I have all the respect in the world for Donovan McNabb.

But if the next 8 games are like the last 8, I'll pass on extending him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I think we should bring up Terrance Austin and Ray Small for the rest of the season cut RW87 and JG84, lets see what we have in these guys.

I would bring up Erik Cook and make Rabach in-active at least for one game and see how it works.

I would give James Davis some playing time this week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Poll: Redskins' 1st Half MVP

Select the team MVP from the names listed below:

a. Anthony Armstrong

b. LaRon Landry

c. Brandon Banks

d. Donovan McNabb

e. Rocky McIntosh

f. Chris Cooley


Moe rolls with Brandon Banks as his ability to 'flip the filed' or 'take it to the house' is an asset the redskins haven't had in a long time.

At the end of preseason, we worried that he might fumbled or be too small to play in the NFL.

But with the general rule of 'you can't fumble if they can't hit you' in place, Banks now stands as one of the better return guys in the league.

Yes, LL is balling, and he will get Pro Bowl honors and will eventually get paid.

But guys like Banks are the ones we like to see with the ball.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Moe, nobody in their right mind is opposed to rebuilding...it's just that we're not getting those picks back for McNabb. If you're going to make that investment, the only way you bail on him after 1 year is if he's an epic fail...which he's not.

If you put a rookie QB behind this line, you'll get him killed...literally. That's why I've been a huge proponent of McNabb...he's one of the few players in the league at the QB position that can make some plays in spite of it. Put a rookie QB back there and you run the risk of ruining the kid before he ever gets a chance to succeed.

I'm all for a rebuild...but the time to commit to that was before this season. To change the plan now makes it look like they didn't know what they were doing to begin with. I can live with the "win now" plan not working so long as they stick the hell to it and stop changing the rules in the middle of the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26,
Thanks for the Lombardi post. My feeling after a few days is Shanahan was looking for lightning in a bottle by putting Grossman in. Maybe the guy had done some good things in practice and McNabb had been beaten up the whole game. It was a bad decision - one made worse by trying to blame the decision on something other than the facts.

For the Redskins moving forward I think Shanahan has got to ask himself the question of whether or not McNabb is the guy or not. If he isn't, there is no point starting him for the rest of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I would give James Davis some playing time this week.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 4, 2010 7:49 AM


He'll be by himself if they do...it's a bye week.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

flounder21

I would give James Davis some playing time this week.

Given the injuries to Torain and Portis, they may have to.

But I agree that's a good thing.

Too, perhaps the thread that's missing from Mayor Ried is an update about Torain's hammie:

Will he, Torain, be availiable for the iggles' game?

That's a good question.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

If you put a rookie QB behind this line, you'll get him killed...literally.

Why are you skipping the sections of my posts that say we must also draft interior lineman?

Also, don't you know like I do that skins will go into FA and come back with more offensive linemen, just like they did this past offseason?

The line you see now won't be playing here next year my friend.

And McNabb might not either.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm guessing that when you're not posting on RI, you're still playing "Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards."

No fair, only Dik Shuttle has a "rounge act".

Posted by: wireman65 | November 4, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

If he isn't, there is no point starting him for the rest of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 7:58 AM

We didn't give up two picks for McNabb to give up on him after eight games.

The onus is on McNabb, not Shanahan, to turn this around. McNabb has to regain Shanahan's trust or he's done as a Redskin. If he's done as a Redskin, then that's two well-respected coaches who have given up on him in two years. He enters a possible lockout with no contract and with a weak position to get one.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

For the Redskins moving forward I think Shanahan has got to ask himself the question of whether or not McNabb is the guy or not. If he isn't, there is no point starting him for the rest of the season.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 7:58 AM

We're 4-4 and by no means "out of it". We should play him if he gives us the best chance of winning. If Shanahan decides he's not the guy, and postseason is no longer a possibility, giving Grossman and/or Beck the keys for a few games makes sense. Man, I hope we take off after the break and can avoid all of the angst a meaningless December will bring.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 4, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Moe, if we can fix the line in one year...great. I'm just not betting on it.

There's no guarantee that Mankins will wanna play here. Or that someone else won't make a better offer. Shanahan is getting killed for the crap he pulled on Sunday and his stock is lower for it. It'll be twice as low if we crap the bed the rest of the season.

I don't know what will be available with the rest of the FA class, but if it's more guys like Artis Hicks that's not fixing anything so much as putting a band-aid over a gunshot wound.

So drafting interior lineman is the right plan...but you gotta have the picks to do it. For those of you wanting and/or predicting McNabb's demise, that means our 1st round pick goes toward his replacement. Then you have only one quality pick left to get one lineman on a team that needs no less than 3.

THAT more than anything is why I'm advocating for McNabb. It's one less hole we have to fill in the offseason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan is getting killed for the crap he pulled on Sunday and his stock is lower for it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:16 AM

Shanahan made a mistake on Sunday. Coaches make mistakes all the time. His stock is lower this week, but next week attention will shift to the Goat of the Week. His stock will recover and there isn't a single free agent (except McNabb, who may not have the choice anyway) who will say "I won't play for Shanahan after he benched McNabb with two minutes in the game." In fact, some free agents -- the type we would want -- might be attracted by that.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 4, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

When Keim says: "Anthony Armstrong is a good find, though best suited as a No. 3 receiver."

Does he mean: "A team should have two receivers better than this guy."? OR... Is it more technical and descriptive? Like...."No. 3" = specific routes and duties that AA13 is more suited to?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 4, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Reid must have slept in this morning. I know it's a bye week and everything, but man, give me something, ANYTHING new!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan wants to win now. "john clayton"

shouldn't it read, snyder wants to win now ?

I don't blame snyder or any coach, player, or redskin fan that wants to WIN NOW, myself included.


Hess, you give our fellow fans too much credit...if fans cared as much about rebuilding as you say, nobody's saying "get Housh" or "get Moss" or "trade for Mankins". Why the Skins can buck the "build thru the draft" model for those guys and then we're insane for getting McNabb isn't consistent.

you should know by now that ole hess doesn't think this way. "get Housh" or "get Moss" or "trade for Mankins" isn't what I've been calling for. I'm willing to take the time to build this franchise to be a consistent winner, year in and year out, but this new FO wants to WIN NOW and that's nothing new.

building through the draft is a crap shoot, but if you trade your picks for older veterans not only do you stay old, you never give the draft a chance to work.

moe hates the patriots and I do as well, yet, we both have tons of respect for that team because of the way they operate and WIN ALL THE TIME, NOT JUST WIN NOW. if you're going to build a winner, you shouldn't disgard your draft picks for older veterans. just yackin'.....


Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I'm almost over shanny and bruce already...

Posted by: leevi98 | November 3, 2010 4:42 PM

Snyderesque patience.

Posted by: wireman65 | November 4, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I guess Beep...but that wasn't just a careless roll of the dice like Belichick's 4th down gambles on the road against rivals late in games...this is going full retard in a game that (on paper) you should win. Hope you're right though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

"... if we can fix the line in one year...great. I'm just not betting on it."

Fixing the line is indeed and issue.

Last offseason we added:

Trent Williams
Jammal Brown
Artis Hicks
Erik Cook
Selvish Capers
Kory Lictenslieger (sp.)

(That's six guys--four starters)

And we still don't have the line we think we should have.

Thing is, the team must continue bringing guys in until the right mix is in place.

But it must also find running backs that don't breakdown so much and a quarterback who can run the entire offense efficiently.

And not having one doesn't mean you can't--or shouldn't--draft the other.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Cracks me up that all the "trading for McNabb was a mistake" folks are failing to realize we lose at least 2 more games this year without him. I mean, it's like you guys don't watch the games or something...
Also love how we complained about how many screen plays we ran in the Gibbs 2.0 Era, yet now we're clamoring for more screen plays from the Shanahans.
Oh how us fans are so fickle...

posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 5:26 AM

If you think that trading two high picks for a QB that is 33 going on 40 , has not only plateaued but is regressing each game, than that's on you..

Here's Keim.
Will Donovan McNabb remain in Washington? It’s clearly not his call at this point. McNabb’s inconsistent fundamentals and footwork can’t sit well with a coach, Mike Shanahan, who points to footwork as the key to good quarterback play. Perhaps McNabb will get on a roll after the break and force a big contract extension. But it’s more likely that the Redskins will have traded two picks to Philadelphia for a one-year rental.

Duds
QB Donovan McNabb. For all the controversy at game’s end, it’s necessary to remember that he was playing poorly. And I get the part about not having a lot left with his legs. When he was throwing the ball in the fourth quarter, it seemed half the time he did so with all arm. That led to an errant throw on his first two-point conversion to Fred Davis and it was a factor on the interception. Of course, so was the decision to throw into such a tight spot. But if he’d had any zip on the ball maybe it gets completed. McNabb’s legs looked fine on his scramble, but he was not always planting and delivering bullets the way he has in the past.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

So, no TallMoss, eh?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 4, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

When Keim says: "Anthony Armstrong is a good find, though best suited as a No. 3 receiver."

Does he mean: "A team should have two receivers better than this guy."? OR... Is it more technical and descriptive? Like...."No. 3" = specific routes and duties that AA13 is more suited to?

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 4, 2010 8:24 AM


I think he means he shouldn't be higher than 3rd on the depth chart.

He's right...if you're starting a guy from a subdivision of the arena league, you've got problems. He's made some plays so I give him credit for that...but if he's your every down WR, that's a GAPING hole.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Thing is, the team must continue bringing guys in until the right mix is in place.

But it must also find running backs that don't breakdown so much and a quarterback who can run the entire offense efficiently.

And not having one doesn't mean you can't--or shouldn't--draft the other.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. Look at Baltimore, they continue to draft Olinemen year in and year out. They always have good starters and backups, plus they can always afford to trade one of them for more draft picks if need be.
Problem with us this past year was our Oline was SO BAD last year that these guys are a big improvement, and we still don't have one of the best lines. Hicks was supposed to be a backup, and Capers and Cook will take a couple years to develop. Which means we need to hit FA hard next year and get at least 2 guys from that, 1 starter and 1 key backup, and then use either our 1st or 2nd round pick for another starter. It'll take time, it just can't be done in 1 year!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

so only 1 team put in a claim for moss...interesting...

brown, thanks for all the posts...more information in one morning than we get up here in a month....

the cryptkeeper comment wasn't the funny part, it was watching Clayton's facial reaction to the comment that was funny...you could tell that he was trying to figure out a comeback but had nothing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

If you think that trading two high picks for a QB that is 33 going on 40 , has not only plateaued but is regressing each game, than that's on you..

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:33 AM


And if you're willing to bail on the guy after 8 games and essentially concede a loss at halftime then that's on you.

If you're going to judge a QB in a vacuum, then you're missing the whole point. The O-line had its worst game of the year by a long shot on Sunday and he spent most of the day on his back. How THAT game is the one where you draw a line in the sand is crazy.

The Chicago game was worse, IMO...and even then the dude is throwing in 20 mph winds and saw his WRs drop damn near everything he threw in the 1st quarter.

Nobody's up here debating that McNabb has looked bad for much of the year. The point I'm making is A) it's way to early to give up on a guy you already spend two picks on and B) you're not doing any better than him for this year and probably next year.

The only guys that can win for you in this offense as currently constituted is McNabb and Vick. That's it. That's the list. Surely you can see that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I think he means he shouldn't be higher than 3rd on the depth chart.

He's right...if you're starting a guy from a subdivision of the arena league, you've got problems. He's made some plays so I give him credit for that...but if he's your every down WR, that's a GAPING hole.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:34 AM

Right...he should be a Ricky Sanders...not a Gary Clark...but right now...he's all we got.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse


moe

Fixing the line is indeed and issue.

don't care who the QB is until we get this o-line fixed. put freakin grossman back there, set a new record for sacks allowed, turnovers, lose every game, I don't care. draft a freakin o-line (we have a good start on that with twilliams drafted 2010). coach this new group of o-linemen to run block first, I don't care how many three and outs. if we're not willing to take our lumps the hard way, than we'll continue to get them the dumb ass way, which is, WIN NOW.

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

monk811

Look at Baltimore, they continue to draft Olinemen year in and year out.


What's so funny about the Baltimore Ravens' comparison is that one of the best threads I've read in RI came from Jason La Canfora who mapped out the contrasting draft philosophies of the redskins and ravens.

Folks howled at JLC for posting such a comparison/contrast.

Me?: I thought he was correct then and we see the after effects now.

Hopefully, Shanallen will draft linemen or bring in FA types that fit what we do best on the regular.

And not just because we suddenly need them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

the cryptkeeper comment wasn't the funny part, it was watching Clayton's facial reaction to the comment that was funny...you could tell that he was trying to figure out a comeback but had nothing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 8:44 AM


Oh, he had something...he just couldn't use Salisbury's dick pix as a comeback on-air...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

And if you're willing to bail on the guy after 8 games and essentially concede a loss at halftime then that's on you.

If you're going to judge a QB in a vacuum, then you're missing the whole point. The O-line had its worst game of the year by a long shot on Sunday and he spent most of the day on his back. How THAT game is the one where you draw a line in the sand is crazy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:44 AM

The ROSTER is why after 8 games it's a mistake. Even the Shanahans realize the mistake they made.

We can't win with our OL and out DL. It's going to take at LEAST 2 years to rebulid both and we'll be doing so without a 2nd, 3rd/4th and McNabb.

Lucky for us the Eagles will NEVER win anything but they did win when we overpaid for a QB that they realized with a better roster that they couldn't win with moving forward.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Baltimore Ravens = OLine Drafting NERDS!

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

don't care who the QB is until we get this o-line fixed.

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 8:48 AM


EXACTLY why we stop swapping out QBs and fix the line FIRST...THEN go get the QB you want. We already ditched JC...now folks wanna ditch McNabb and draft a replacement--who will also fail and deal with cries to be replaced if the line plays like it has.

Fix the line. Don't do ANYTHING until that's a reality...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

If you really are of that delicate of a nature, perhaps you would enjoy posting on the "Men Who Wear Panties" blog.

I think thatt would be the "hands that wear socks" blog.

Posted by: wireman65 | November 4, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Lucky for us the Eagles will NEVER win anything but they did win when we overpaid for a QB that they realized with a better roster that they couldn't win with moving forward.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:55 AM


That's what I'm talking about...I'm not willing to make that concession until I see this thing play out. We're only at the halfway point...now isn't the time to waive the white flag.

Everything you've said about McNabb was said about Kurt Warner when he was a Giant...and he played WAAAAY worse than McNabb is now. He rebounded pretty nicely in AZ, didn't he?

Not comparing the two players but just a point of reference...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

EXACTLY why we stop swapping out QBs and fix the line FIRST...THEN go get the QB you want. We already ditched JC...now folks wanna ditch McNabb and draft a replacement--who will also fail and deal with cries to be replaced if the line plays like it has.

Fix the line. Don't do ANYTHING until that's a reality...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse
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Nonsense. Take Peyton Manning, for instance. The other 10 players on the field just get in his way.

The great QBs can avoid the rush, read the D, move it with fakes and look-offs to create openings, and hit themselves in perfect stride.

Manning will hold the rushing, receiving, and passing records in our lifetime, you watch.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Everything you've said about McNabb was said about Kurt Warner when he was a Giant...and he played WAAAAY worse than McNabb is now.


Before he was a Giant, though, Warner won a ring and led one of the best offenses in the history of the league.

I don't know if that's true about Donovan McNabb.

True, what we saw out of Warner in Arizona is what we expect out of an elite player:

Kurt Warner's play at quarterback brought of the level of play of the entire offense.

It's telling that with basically the same receivers, the cards suck without Warner.

And you'd be hard-pressed to show that the redskin offense is that much better with McNabb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Nonsense. Take Peyton Manning, for instance. The other 10 players on the field just get in his way.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:07 AM


The only way Manning survives the line play we saw in Detroit is if he can turn water into wine, walk on water, and ride a unicorn home from the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Anybody see Keyshawn Johnson's cmon man, with the clip of Grossman warming up on the sideline before going in, prancing like a gazelle in heat? All the Detroit Lions were watching him warm up, and one Lion in particular (Suh) surely thought "lunch." Cracked me up.

Yeah its 20-20 hindsight for me, and I still like Shanahan, but coach is paid to have 20-20 foresight.

Posted by: skinpig | November 4, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

It's telling that with basically the same receivers, the cards suck without Warner.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 9:08 AM

Well, minus Boldin.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 4, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Moe, my point is just because we're seeing a downswing in McNabb's production doesn't mean he's done. How hard are we gonna kick ourselves for letting him go to AZ, ballin' out, and we draft the second coming of Heath Shuler? Or worse...trade for Jay Cutler?

The investment has been made. It's not like his legs are dead or his arm isn't live. He's obviously still adjusting to a new offense FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS PRO CAREER. I just don't get why it's outlandish to think we should ride it out and hope that a proven player gets it together once we get him some help...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

The only way Manning survives the line play we saw in Detroit is if he can turn water into wine, walk on water, and ride a unicorn home from the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:11 AM

Yeah...but Manning would have said screw this...we runnin the ball!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

The ROSTER is why after 8 games it's a mistake...

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 4, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse
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The ROSTER didn't throw a pick into triple coverage up 5 with 5 to go. The ROSTER didn't take a sack on 4th and 10 at their own 20. And he had time to get rid of the ball, even if only to a check down.

Those were BAD decisions which cost us the lead and the game and had nothing to do with the beating he took all day.

How do you force a throw when you are up by 5? Then how do you not force a throw on the 4th, when an INT might actually be better than a sack depending on field position? Instead, you get to the end of your drop and just stand there looking stupid.

I'm sorry, but that's not going to cut it. It's one thing to NOT make plays. But making negative plays will piss off any coach.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...but Manning would have said screw this...we runnin the ball!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Who's running the ball? I think I'll have to 'misplace' my helmet again! Anybody got a homing device?

Signed,
Brandon Jacobs

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The only way Manning survives the line play we saw in Detroit is if he can turn water into wine, walk on water, and ride a unicorn home from the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse
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You DO realize my post was lampooning the QB-is-everything camp, right?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

With all the respect to Landy and company it's got to be Haynesworth. No player has made a bigger impact on the plays he has been in on. Despite missing three games (and not all of them being his decision) and a number of plays, he leads D-linemen in sacks and is 2nd in tackles (according to the league, the team has different numbers). I don't know the penalty count, but it seems like he has caused almost as many penalties as Orakpo has in less time.

He has simply dominated the last three games, and even in that Rams game he got double teamed so often and still created penetration (even if he never got to Bradford).

While his time has been limited I've failed to see him make big time mistakes like we have seen from Hall, Landry, Fletcher, McIntosh and even Orakpo (offsides penalties in the Bears game, disappearing against Detroit etc.)

I know people want to hate on him, but he's doing all of this despite getting screwed by the coaching staff and not always being put in the best position to make a difference. Unlike Landry and Orakpo, who the new defense has benefited the most. When you can do more with less you get my vote. Imagine what Haynesworth would be doing if they constantly put him in the best position to succeed.

Posted by: Steveo11 | November 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

what is this trade for Jay Cutler stuff people keep writing about....thats beyond left field....the bears having send 2 firsts for him, aren't likely to jump ship that quick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but that's not going to cut it. It's one thing to NOT make plays. But making negative plays will piss off any coach.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:25 AM |

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you necessarily react emotionally. It hasn't really been discussed, but I think Shanny benched McNabb for that very reason: he was pissed. Yet #5 was still the better option.

Posted by: skinpig | November 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone mentioned Dennis Dixon from the Steelers as a possible QB to get? He has the potential to be a starter in this league. But with Big Ben, he may never be a starter in Pitt. So even if we keep Mc5, how about also bringing Dixon in to learn for at least a year?

Also, becuase its a bye week and I am bored...I was looking at some Mock Drafts and most people have us either drafting Julio Jones, Johnathen Baldwin, or Malcom Floyd next year. So I looked on youtube for some videos on Julio and Johnathen, and I like both of these guys. Both Julio and Johnathen are huge, and fast. But what sets Julio apart from everyone is he is very, very hard to tackle. He is extremly strong. So I think we have to get one of those guys.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 4, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Who's running the ball? I think I'll have to 'misplace' my helmet again! Anybody got a homing device?

Signed,
Brandon Jacobs

Posted by: monk811 | November 4, 2010 9:26 AM

Oh I was talking about the slightly less NERDy manning brother.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

and we draft the second coming of Heath Shuler? Or worse...trade for Jay Cutler?


Why does every scenario have to be a bad one?

Listen: there are 5 very good college quarterbacks (Stanzi, Locker, Luck, Mallett, Ponder) who've played at least 3 years in NFL-lite systems in the draft next spring.

Multiple starts in a passing system against NFL style college defenses should equal a kid like Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco or Josh Freeman or Matt Stafford who can come into the league and play on day one.

Heath Shuler is not every drafted quarterback like Peyton Manning isn't every veteran one.

Just because we got burned with Shuler or Ramsey, it doesn't mean we shouyld never draft a quarteback again.

We threw Campbell away for reasons only Mike Shanahan can explain.

But moving forward, I'd rather build around a young'n with inexperience than a vet with warts.

Upside, my friend, is everything.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Just because we got burned with Shuler or Ramsey, it doesn't mean we shouyld never draft a quarteback again.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 9:33 AM

I think more like we burned poor Patrick.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse


not to mention the same threads over and over and...

... what also gets me is no new threads for 24 hours and then, pow, 5 new threads in one hour, sometimes 2 or 3 in a row in a half an hour.

JReid for street bum and bag lady mayor


Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

You DO realize my post was lampooning the QB-is-everything camp, right?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:27 AM


Not until I read it again after I posted that.

Matt, we don't have the lead in the game to begin with if he doesn't break off a long run to set up our first TD. Or make the checkdown to get the 2nd TD. That's the problem with some of the McNabb detractors here...they cite chapter and verse everything he does wrong without ever giving the guy credit for the big plays he IS able to make.

Nobody kills their team with more picks and other nonsense than Brett Favre...yet everyone is eager and ready to nuzzle his crotch over how great he is. McNabb drags the lifeless corpse we call the Redskins offense to the bye week with 4 wins in hand, and he's the worst thing to hit D.C. since The Sniper. There's literally NO WAY some folks can be happy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Who are the Free Agent QBs Next year?

I'm pretty sure Buffaloe wouldn't be giving up Fitzpatrick.....I think he'd be a good fit...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

with all this mcbadd talk we are ignoring how bad the D really is.

folks we were a top 10 D last year.

also it does not bode well over the long term for dirty laundry to continue on the pace he is on with repect to his body holding up towards tail end of season when D is so important.

Posted by: noodlez | November 4, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Brown, I'm with you. Way too early to bail on DM5. Keep calm; carry on should be the strategy and mantra.

For those who are against a "win now" philosophy, I have two points.

First, long term rebuilding is not really happening in the NFL now like it did in past decades. Teams now regularly go worst to first in a year, and several teams have managed to stay competitive for long periods of time. Second, keeping McNabb while we fix other areas is consistent with a conservative approach to reconfiguring and improving the team in the long run.

I still like the move of going to get DM5 for a couple of picks (and keep in mind that we got a pick back when we traded JC17 so that second McNabb pick is basically a wash -- he cost us a second rounder, period). But even if you don't like that deal, what is done is done. Ditching DM5 after this year means the Skins have to go get someone else to be the starting QB, either by draft or trade or free agency. Sorry, but I just don't see how that would be the right move as part of the rebuilding that so many are now advocating.

Posted by: manlius1 | November 4, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

got it:

TJack.

Pencil It In.

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 4, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse


what is this trade for Jay Cutler stuff people keep writing about....thats beyond left field....the bears having send 2 firsts for him, aren't likely to jump ship that quick...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 9:31 AM |

could you imagine, cutler and grossman the QB's on our roster ? crap the bed, fred, ted, jed, ned, and ed.

with this scenario, I'm with brown, stick with mcnabb already.

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Upside, my friend, is everything.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 9:33 AM


I get that. All I'm saying is that it's one thing to roll the dice on a QB at the top of the draft when you don't have a QB. It's another thing to quit on a good veteran QB too soon...letting a bird in hand get away on the off chance you can do better.

I'm all for drafting our "QB of the future"...just not at the expense of what should be the FIRST PRIORITY...fixing the OL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I don't lend any legitimacy to the Cutler stuff, but it comes from this post from John Clayton on ESPN.com:

"Here's my bold prediction for the Redskins: They will be the team to go after Michael Vick. Shanahan can do a lot of things with quarterbacks who move well in the pocket. He got the best out of Jake Plummer. The only problem with getting Vick is how the Eagles handle him.

Vick probably would give the Eagles a discount to stay because of how the organization gave him a chance to resurrect his career. A free agent after the season, Vick also could be franchised to block a move to Washington, but to do so would cost the Eagles around $15 million.

Teams such as the Seahawks, Jaguars, 49ers, Browns and Bills will all be looking at some of the top quarterbacks in the draft. Shanahan wants to win now. Sure, he may first try to trade for Jay Cutler, but if that doesn't work out, watch him go for Vick."

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for drafting our "QB of the future"...just not at the expense of what should be the FIRST PRIORITY...fixing the OL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:46 AM

Agreed...all this talk of our lack of offensive weapons...Donovan's struggles...crappy defense...good chance we are sitting at 6 and 2 or 7 and 1 right now with even an average or slightly above average O-line...an we all are very happy.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

A rolling Moss gathers no stones.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 4, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse


I'm all for drafting our "QB of the future"...just not at the expense of what should be the FIRST PRIORITY...fixing the OL.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:46 AM |

and I'm with you 100% on that one brown. same with drafting a RB before we get our o-line up to snuff, hold off on the ball handlers and fix what needs mending first, the o-line, then go after the "talent"

Posted by: hessone | November 4, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I still like the move of going to get DM5 for a couple of picks


This is where I am.

We do need to rebuild both the offensive and defensive lines, but lack the picks that would give us proper choices.

So if you franchise and trade McNabb and trade AH, you might find yourself going into the draft with a nice mix of mid round picks to find lineman with.

The trick, it seems, is to fix our issues with multiple selections in the middle rounds, and not to depend so much on 3-4 picks overall like we have done in the past.

If trading two name players returns 3-4 additional picks to go with what we already have, I say "Pull dat trigga!"

And make the trades.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 4, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but that doesn't mean you necessarily react emotionally. It hasn't really been discussed, but I think Shanny benched McNabb for that very reason: he was pissed. Yet #5 was still the better option.

Posted by: skinpig | November 4, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse
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Awhile ago NFL films or something had a blurb of Belichick talking to his linemen, and he said, "Look, if you don't know what you are doing, I can't put you on the field."

It's that simple for successful coaches. If you don't know your role, it's the coaches job to find someone who does. There's no clause for, 'well I'm talented enough to start, so you gotta play me' (See DT, FD, and AH)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

...an we all are very happy.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:51 AM

My bad...except for pabrian...and the Dallas trolls...actually most will still be complaining about something.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

brown, that makes me throw up in my mouth, not as much as your post yesterday about Nancy, but pretty close....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

It's that simple for successful coaches. If you don't know your role, it's the coaches job to find someone who does. There's no clause for, 'well I'm talented enough to start, so you gotta play me' (See DT, FD, and AH)

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 9:56 AM

Agreed 100% that no one is above benching for nonperformance. But what is plan B? My point is that even a mediocre McNabb gives you a better chance that he just may heave one down field, than a bumbling Grossman.

Posted by: skinpig | November 4, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Before the discussion even starts on drafting a quarterback the offensive line needs to be fixed. I'd sure like to see some of the guys from the practice squad play, but there is a reason they are on the PS...

The Redskins can ride next season out with McNabb, if he gets his act together, or Grossman/Beck if McNabb continues with his erratic play. Hopefully, in the offseason they can sign a free agent somewhere that can produce, but hope is not a plan.

Many of you have said it on this board that the team has so many holes to fill. There's no need to get a rookie quarterback and have him killed by defenders, no need to invest in a rookie quarterback and have no one for him to throw it to, and the odds on finding a franchise QB in the first round of the draft are nowhere near as good as they are for finding talent at other positions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

brown, that makes me throw up in my mouth, not as much as your post yesterday about Nancy, but pretty close....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 9:57 AM


If I had to do Nancy to save us from Cutler, I'd begrudgingly take one for the team. You have my word on that.

Moe, you gotta stop with the "franchise and trade McNabb" stuff...unless BA has pics of an NFL GM doing Nancy Pelosi in the ass, or you're willing to deal a somewhat productive veteran player for a 12-pack of juice boxes, then that is about as unlikely a scenario as you and I starting at WR for the Colts...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

brown, that makes me throw up in my mouth, not as much as your post yesterday about Nancy, but pretty close....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 9:57 AM
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Please, please, please stop mentioning that. The image that conversation created in my head is hanging around like the smell of a road kill skunk.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

This is a bit of a shocker...DHall has 6 picks and two TDs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 3, 2010 12:50 PM

dude, I generally like your posts but if you think Hall has been more valuable to this offense that Landry, I may need to reevaluate my respect of your football knowledge. He didn't "singlehandedly" win us either the Cowboys or Eagles game (though arguably he did win us the Bears game). Who knows how the Cowboys game would've played out? The last play of the game was saved by Rak, so if anyone "singelhandedly" won us that game, it was 98. He damn sure couldn't guard Calvin Johnson last week when he was on him.

I'm not hating on D-Hall (altho I've done my share of that) but LaRon Landry is a pretty clear cut first half MVP for this team. His play has made everyone's job easier.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

If I had to do Nancy to save us from Cutler, I'd begrudgingly take one for the team. You have my word on that.

Moe, you gotta stop with the "franchise and trade McNabb" stuff...unless BA has pics of an NFL GM doing Nancy Pelosi in the ass, or you're willing to deal a somewhat productive veteran player for a 12-pack of juice boxes, then that is about as unlikely a scenario as you and I starting at WR for the Colts...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 10:10 AM
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Bean, see what you did? Now I've got that playing in my head for the rest of the day.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 4, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"He didn't "singlehandedly" win us either the Cowboys"

actually he did...in the cowboys game, the Redskins scored 13 points, and won 13-7. Take away halls TD, and its 7-6, and the redskins lose....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Beeps...for real yo...

Posted by: PlayAction | November 4, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I see zero correlation in the team saying "We did not think Moss was worth it" but then bringing in JR for a look. The 2 scenarios have nothing to do with each other.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 3, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

OK but why so quick to attack the guy, Mr. Fickett? You can parse this however you want, but the fact is it's not "Apples and oranges" to compare these guys. It's not a perfect correlation but there are similarities- boatloads of talent, questionable dedication. So one likes Tornado, the other Vicodin. You don't know that Moss is a "bad person at his core" (though evidence does exist to support that theory), just like you don't know that Russell is NOT a bad guy. I'd totally agree that neither is needed here, but to hop on dude's back for making a resonable corrollary...come on, MAN!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 4, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Matt, we don't have the lead in the game to begin with if he doesn't break off a long run to set up our first TD. Or make the checkdown to get the 2nd TD. That's the problem with some of the McNabb detractors here...they cite chapter and verse everything he does wrong without ever giving the guy credit for the big plays he IS able to make.

Nobody kills their team with more picks and other nonsense than Brett Favre...yet everyone is eager and ready to nuzzle his crotch over how great he is.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 4, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse
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How's Chilly's decision not to bench Farve going? He's basically lost the locker room because everyone thinks that they can play like donkey balls.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 4, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

What a loaded poll question! Don't pick a favorite and then say, what do you think. Of course Landry's going to win. If he said the Schmoo was the MVP the schmoo would lead the poll.

Posted by: fitzroysq | November 4, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

landry is playing out of his mind and we wouldn't be where we are with out him. on the other hand Hall has literally won us games

Posted by: smmckenzie | November 4, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't even put DHALL in the list. He got 4 picks from a Cutler who purposely kept throwing his way. DHALL sucks! He can't cover anyone. If he singlehandedly won us two games, he singlehandedly cost us two games also. He sucked against Calvin Johnson and he sucked against Andre Johnson and he'll keep suckikng against other top WRs. So damn over-rated.

The MVP of the Defense is Orakpo, hands down. He gets held on every single play and still has 7 sacks.

Posted by: harbirsingh | November 4, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think I should have gotten some consideration!

Signed,
Carlos Rogers

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Not that I am voting for him, but you got to admit teams throw far more often at Hall that they do at Rogers. For a guy who who couldn't catch the ball if they made it out of velcro, that is saying something about his cover abilities.

Posted by: akmzrazor | November 4, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

this is stupid. D Hall won 3 of the 4 games. People just hate the guy but he is MVP clear of the team and first team Pro Bowl right now.

Posted by: isometruman1 | November 4, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

If opposing "blockers" weren't allowed to hold Brian Orakpo EVERY PLAY he'd be the NFL defensive player of the year.

Posted by: largetony86 | November 5, 2010 6:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok, so LaRon is LaLeader, he's an animal this year.... Faint praise, being voted MVP of the NFC's worst defense. Ranked 32 overall. Good job LaRon! A .500 ball club's MVP, congratulations.

Posted by: 44fx2901 | November 6, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

"Dirty 30"

Posted by: roallenc | November 9, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

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