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By Washington Post editors  | October 25, 2010; 12:00 PM ET
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Wilcard if anything. Although no one in the NFC is running away with this thing.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Re: Game Tonight

It's simple, folks. We want the 'Girls to lose. We always want the 'Girls to lose. Not that we have any love for Giants, but we always want 'Girls to lose.

Don't worry about the Giants' record. It'll be OK, b/c we still get to play them twice and prove between the lines who is the Beast of the East. We don't need or want any help from 'Girls.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Personal feelings about AH aside, try to show a little compassion here...everybody handles loss differently. Some people can jump right back into the fray. Some need more time to process it. No way is right or wrong. You deal with it as best you can and try your damnedest to move on.

And don't sell the grief he's feeling short because it's his "half-brother". It's the relationship he had with him that counts, not what a DNA test says.

Few have a worst taste in their mouth over this clown than I do, but I feel like you give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance. Surely you'd want the same courtesy if you lost someone you love...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

co-sign.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

If there was a viable nd consistent 3rd option in the passing game, the answer is YES. That not being the case, the simple answer is NO.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Personal feelings about AH aside, try to show a little compassion here...everybody handles loss differently. Some people can jump right back into the fray. Some need more time to process it. No way is right or wrong. You deal with it as best you can and try your damnedest to move on.

And don't sell the grief he's feeling short because it's his "half-brother". It's the relationship he had with him that counts, not what a DNA test says.

Few have a worst taste in their mouth over this clown than I do, but I feel like you give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance. Surely you'd want the same courtesy if you lost someone you love...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

co-sign.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:09 PM |

Well, well, well, something we can agree on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"don't like the fumbles from ryan "the bull" torain though, but great running"

I don't see how you can blame a guy for fumbling when defensive players hold you up so another guy can pull your arms apart to get the ball.

Then there's the pick pocketing where a guy pokes at the ball as he'd rather not tackle you.

Fumblng used to be when you got hit so hard, the ball popped out.

But today, hitting hard has been outlawed.

Which is why when it comes to turnovers, the pick pockets rule.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Meh, we're only 1 injury away from disaster. I'd love to see it and I think it can happen but I don't think the odds are in our favor. I simply don't think we have the depth needed to get through the last half of the season and we have a really tough schedule. I'm hoping like heck that I'm wrong and I'll be happy to eat crow but I think with injuries and the schedule we have we'll end up missing the wild card.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry - I have to do this:

Playoffs?!!? Don't talk about Playoffs. You kiddin' me?

Seriously. Way too early for that. Let's beat Detroit first.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Personal feelings about AH aside, try to show a little compassion here...everybody handles loss differently. Some people can jump right back into the fray. Some need more time to process it. No way is right or wrong. You deal with it as best you can and try your damnedest to move on.

And don't sell the grief he's feeling short because it's his "half-brother". It's the relationship he had with him that counts, not what a DNA test says.

Few have a worst taste in their mouth over this clown than I do, but I feel like you give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance. Surely you'd want the same courtesy if you lost someone you love...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

co-sign.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:09 PM |

He had a very good game yesterday. Now he's a doosh again. This is the NFL (Not For Long) where you are only as good as your last couple/few weeks - if that. AH still has a lot to prove and this also shows that Shanny is doing the right thing. Dude played well yesterday against a lousy, lousy, lousy O-Line and may be helping the 'Skins with being able to move up in the draft along with our first round pick to move up and get a future franchise QB. For that, I thank AH and wish for him to 'keep it up'.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has played in more games and has more offensive snaps b/c Campbell got benched for his atrocious play early on.

JC's QB ratings in his last 4 games:
42.9
117.6
10.7
127.9

McNabb's overall rating may not be much better, but at least he's been consistent enough to hold down a starting job...

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 11:12 AM


You do realize, of course, McNabb got benched for the exact same reason less than 2 years ago, right? He had a 13.2 QB rating in the game for which he was benched. The game before that, he threw 3 INTs and had a fumble.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Meh, we're only 1 injury away from disaster. I'd love to see it and I think it can happen but I don't think the odds are in our favor. I simply don't think we have the depth needed to get through the last half of the season and we have a really tough schedule. I'm hoping like heck that I'm wrong and I'll be happy to eat crow but I think with injuries and the schedule we have we'll end up missing the wild card.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chicken Little, I thought you only worried about the sky falling?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Redryan400,

Your scoreboard is too small to see, so who knows what the hell it says. Maybe Jerry Jones can float Mini-Me Snyder a few bucks for an upgrade.

Good Day

Joe

Posted by: PampaTex
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Pampa, as bad as your team's record is (I'm sure you're "outplaying" everybody though), the real indignity to Cowboy nation is the "Football Wives" charade you all have going. Really, some of those boys need to step their game up....cough, Leonard Davis, cough....

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/VH1-reality-show-Football-Wives-centers-on-Cowboys.html

Posted by: AdamCr | October 25, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

You do realize, of course, McNabb got benched for the exact same reason less than 2 years ago, right? He had a 13.2 QB rating in the game for which he was benched. The game before that, he threw 3 INTs and had a fumble.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:15 PM

Blah, blah, blah , two years ago, blah, blah, blah. Who gives a sjk? Here's a much more recent news flash for you: Jason Campbell does not play for the Redskins anymore!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chicken Little, I thought you only worried about the sky falling?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What's up Vinny?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it, but NO, not this year.

Giants go from our division, and the Falcons, Seahawks, and Packers.

Saints and Eagles get the wild cards.

We'll be pretty close though.

Posted by: rexforab | October 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Personal feelings about AH aside, try to show a little compassion here...everybody handles loss differently. Some people can jump right back into the fray. Some need more time to process it. No way is right or wrong. You deal with it as best you can and try your damnedest to move on.

And don't sell the grief he's feeling short because it's his "half-brother". It's the relationship he had with him that counts, not what a DNA test says.

Few have a worst taste in their mouth over this clown than I do, but I feel like you give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance. Surely you'd want the same courtesy if you lost someone you love...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse


Regarding AH and the Colts game...in retrospect, I hope that this is what Shanny did-

I hope that Shanny pulled AH aside privately on Saturday and talked to him heart to heart.

He asked AH straight-up "Do feel like playing? I know we've had our differences, but I want to help you here and manage this situation the right way. If you feel like playing, and it will help you get back in the groove of life, you can go. If you don't feel like it, then I will deactivate you for the game, and I will get up in front of the press and tell everyone that it was my decision so you don't have to worry about scrutiny. Win, lose or draw, I'll take this one. Just tell me what you want; it's your call and I'll accomodate you here."

So AH tells Shanny he's just not ready.

Shanny gets up and does what he does.

AH's appreciation for Shanny increases, and they forge a different kind of relationship going forward. Shanny shows that he's a human being and not just a drill sergeant. AH decides he's gonna play his guts out and help the team - whatever that means.

Game. Set. Match.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

we can win when the entire team is healthy. how often will that be?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 25, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well, something we can agree on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Do we disagree a lot? I'm not recalling anything other than this McNabb issue. Anyway it's speculation. I might be right; I might be wrong. If I were a journalist I certainly wouldn't write a story about it at this point based on what is known via the public record...usually I'm right though

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hate to say it, but NO, not this year.

Giants go from our division, and the Falcons, Seahawks, and Packers.

Saints and Eagles get the wild cards.

We'll be pretty close though.

Posted by: rexforab | October 25, 2010 12:22 PM

Great...thanks KRESKIN...oh well maybe next year.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Blah, blah, blah , two years ago, blah, blah, blah. Who gives a sjk? Here's a much more recent news flash for you: Jason Campbell does not play for the Redskins anymore!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 12:19 PM

Agreed... and you may notice I don't initiate posts about him here. However, this being a place for opinions, I will respond when I see comments that don't appear well thought out.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 11:12 AM


You do realize, of course, McNabb got benched for the exact same reason less than 2 years ago, right? He had a 13.2 QB rating in the game for which he was benched. The game before that, he threw 3 INTs and had a fumble.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse


You do realize that was the only time in McNabb's decorated 12 year career that he got benched for bad performance, right?

You do realize that if you are pulling out incidents from 2 years ago, then your point is pretty strained, right?

What is your point, by the way?

Are you trying to make a case that Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb are roughly the same commodity in terms of QBs?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Who ever keeps saying root for the cowboys to lose must have not been looking at TODAYS STANDINGS IN THE NFC EAST......

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/totalstandings.asp

a win will put the Giants one game ahead of us in the Win column.

The Cowboys are irrelevant. So who cares if they win tonite......

(In my Paula Cole voice)

**Where have all the smart football fans gone**

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

However, this being a place for opinions, I will respond when I see comments that don't appear well thought out.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse


If you are targeting comments that aren't well thought-out you should see what this clown "Alan4" posted at 12:15.

Still trying to figure out what his point was...

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Well - that injury looks like it could be Cooley. He is NOT looking right, is he?

He missed that chip block yielding the pick. (Another thing McNabb is being blamed for).

When's our bye week? Can we rest him 'till then?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

We just started Week 8.

I refuse to answer this question.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | October 25, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

pfunk, I sincerely hope that's not a pipe dream and something close to reality. If it is, I LOVE our chances of doing something special this year.

Alan4, get off the McNabb stuff...all he did after that game you're bringing up from 2 F-ING YEARS AGO was make a Pro-Bowl and get that sad sack franchise to another NFC title game they didn't deserve to be in. I was as big a JC apologist as anyone, but McNabb's here, Campbell's gone. Embrace the change or get over it. If you can't tell the difference between McNabb and Campbell, YOU'RE the one with the problem, not McNabb.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I voted no. But I'll admit 7-9 is starting to look a lot more like 8-8.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of it never being too early to start talking about next week, let me offer the following:

-How about a handoff to Sellers every now and then? Defenses are not accounting for him. Time to exploit it.

-I like Carriker in the middle. He brings more athleticism to the position than Kemoeatu. Haynesworth and Daniels at end help round out a "strong" front three.

-Please, please keep Doughty out of pass coverage. The dude can tackle but he is a liability in pass coverage.

-If all Keiland Williams is going to do is pass block and drop into the flat occasionally, then take him out and put Sellers in. Sellers can level pass rushers and will make those linebackers think twice about blitzing, plus he can catch the occasional pass. We're talking about protecting McNabb on passing downs and Sellers gives a better chance of doing that.

-Despite a handful of good plays in the Indy game, I stick with my earlier proclamation that Buchanon stinks. I don't think the guy knows how to play the defense. He clearly blew coverage yesterday on the one touchdown pass. Is Barnes really worse than him? Really?

-I didn't think I would ever say this, but do you think Heyer might actually be better than Brown? I think Brown, like Kemoeatu, may be back from injury but he is not all of the way back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

What is your point, by the way?

Are you trying to make a case that Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb are roughly the same commodity in terms of QBs?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:26 PM

As blasphemous as it may sound to some here, based on performance in burgundy and gold: yes.

The Skins are averaging 18.6 points per game with McNabb under center, despite a defense that scores TDs this year.

A win is a win, but let's not pretend that McNabb's play as a Redskin so far would have earned him any of the honors he won in the past as an Iggle. He has been very Cambell-esque.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

"JC Apologist"... the first step is admitting there was a problem.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 25, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

hey moe, i nicknamed the guy "the bull", clearly i like the guy's style of running, im not blaming him for the fumbles, that guy was pick pocketing all game, im saying i dont like them

did you like it when torain fumbled? just wondering

Posted by: retroskins14 | October 25, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Playoffs? Don't talk about...playoffs?! You kidding me?! Playoffs?! I just hope we can win a game!

Posted by: WallyG3 | October 25, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

A win is a win, but let's not pretend that McNabb's play as a Redskin so far would have earned him any of the honors he won in the past as an Iggle. He has been very Cambell-esque.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:37 PM
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Agreed in part..except for the "attitude and confidence" that McNabb brings to the field..
Reid correctly saw that DM had lost some skills.. most likely speed. But, what he forgot was the value of leadership he brought to the position. Its exactly what the Eagles are missing right now.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 25, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think I would ever say this, but do you think Heyer might actually be better than Brown? I think Brown, like Kemoeatu, may be back from injury but he is not all of the way back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 12:35 PM


For the love of God, NO...just because Brown isn't playing up to expectations, doesn't mean he's an undrafted slappy like Heyer. Unless #77 starts collecting flags like trading cards, I don't ever wanna hear that madness again.

That said, if Brown's hip isn't right, he probably shouldn't be playing if it's adversely affecting his performance.

Alan4, you just earned "ITA" status with that insanity. JC had 5 years here, McNabb has had 7 games. By your logic, ridiculously small sample sizes are tell-tale of the big picture...and Arian Foster is the greatest RB to ever play the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chicken Little, I thought you only worried about the sky falling?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What's up Vinny?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'll go you one more:

What's up pabrian2003!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Lions lost to the bears, packers, giants and eagles by less than one score each.

they had a legit shot at beating each of those teams in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

-Despite a handful of good plays in the Indy game, I stick with my earlier proclamation that Buchanon stinks. I don't think the guy knows how to play the defense. He clearly blew coverage yesterday on the one touchdown pass. Is Barnes really worse than him? Really?Posted

by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 12:35 PM

Here's an early prediction. If the Skins have to sign another RB, Barnes will be the next draft pick sent packing.

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe no one is talking about DT11 from this past weekend contributing to Carolina's first and only win.....

Oh yeah, that's because he didn't do a damn thing.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

...and Arian Foster is the greatest RB to ever play the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:46 PM

Well he was on pace for 3,600 yards and 48 TDs...certainly shattering all records.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'll go you one more:

What's up pabrian2003!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Not cool man. Too far...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Ugh.

Look I'm happy we're 4-3, and we are much improved from last year's train wreck. But McNabb's been average at best, so I don't know why people feel like they have to defend him, or point to his "leadership." In all fairness to him, he should get a full year before we rush to judgment, but why is it wrong to say that thus far he's been underwhelming?

Posted by: mattylight | October 25, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Who ever keeps saying root for the cowboys to lose must have not been looking at TODAYS STANDINGS IN THE NFC EAST......

http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/totalstandings.asp

a win will put the Giants one game ahead of us in the Win column.

The Cowboys are irrelevant. So who cares if they win tonite......

(In my Paula Cole voice)

**Where have all the smart football fans gone**

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

My head agrees with you. But my heart and gut want Dallas to lose.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 25, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, you just earned "ITA" status with that insanity. JC had 5 years here, McNabb has had 7 games. By your logic, ridiculously small sample sizes are tell-tale of the big picture...and Arian Foster is the greatest RB to ever play the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:46 PM
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QB ratings are close for both QBs who are on new teams and new systems.
McNabb aint been all that.. And JC has been more than "that" for the Raiders. A nice come from behind win and more effective in the Red Zone than McNabb has been.
Its a fair comparison.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Alan4, you just earned "ITA" status with that insanity. JC had 5 years here, McNabb has had 7 games. By your logic, ridiculously small sample sizes are tell-tale of the big picture...and Arian Foster is the greatest RB to ever play the game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:46 PM

Fine, but my response is meant for posters like you. It's one thing to be a Skins fan, but you're just a McNabb fan if you actually believe your insanity, as you stated:

Personally, I've seen all 7 Redskins games this year and I think he's the only reason we're even halfway competitive on offense...regardless of what the numbers say. He's not perfect, but he's enough...

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 10:52 AM

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Chicken Little, I thought you only worried about the sky falling?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What's up Vinny?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'll go you one more:

What's up pabrian2003!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:50 PM

You two need to stay by your phones the next few days. They're in the final deliberations for the Nobel Prize in Arts and Letters and you're both finalists.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

option 3: thanks for trying to jinx it

Posted by: moo21 | October 25, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

As blasphemous as it may sound to some here, based on performance in burgundy and gold: yes.

The Skins are averaging 18.6 points per game with McNabb under center, despite a defense that scores TDs this year.

A win is a win, but let's not pretend that McNabb's play as a Redskin so far would have earned him any of the honors he won in the past as an Iggle. He has been very Cambell-esque.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse


Blasphemy? Football is not a religion to me.

Idiocy? Yeah, that's more like it.

Donovan McNabb has had 7 games in the burgundy and gold uniform learning a new scheme, with new players and new coaches; and until a week ago, the last place running game in the NFL.

If he's putting out these kinds of performances week after week a year from now - then that would be Campbell-esque.

But even so, the defense didn't help him out much against the Texans; and though his passer rating may not show it, he threw for 350+ yards and led a second-half comeback against the Packers - how many times did Campbell do that when he was with us? Lead/spark a second-half comeback himself?

So while it's convenient for you to bring up this point after his worst performance of the year, more thoughtful folk understand the big picture and can appreciate what McNabb has done in his short time here, while acknowledging the need for improvement without drawing ridicolous comparisons to Jason Campbell - a guy in a pitched battle with Bruce grdkowski for the starting job with the Raiders.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Not cool man. Too far...

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Lmfao, you're right, that's too low! I take it back. Where is he today anyway? He must have had a heart attack after that Raider blowout yesterday. Kinda surprised he hasn't been up here spewing his nonsense about Old Soup this, and New Soup that. Let's face it, he's a closet Cowboy troll. Just come out already!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor, but you know you'd be grinning inside if you saw the girls go to 1-5... I know I would.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

(In my Paula Cole voice)

**Where have all the smart football fans gone**

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

My head agrees with you. But my heart and gut want Dallas to lose.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 25, 2010 12:54 PM

As long as your head is in the game is all that matters........Root for The Giants to LOSE TO THE COWGIRLS TONITE.....STAMPED...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

p1funk, agree to disagree.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

"And JC has been more than "that" for the Raiders."


Wow really? No he hasn't. JC was benched and playing only due to injury. And the 57 point production blowout of Denver he was 12/20....the running game blew up, not JC.

If you are still arguing this your a fool.


I swear half of the posters involvement with the NFL is through this blog.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

For you math challenged: Don't be F'ing stupid. Of course we want the ginas to lose tonight.

And if you need to validate it it with an emotional anti cowboy hook: if the pokes win, Granpa Bobby the Cheeseburger Boy may save his job with a win.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Try living in cowgirls country, then you root for the girls to lose every Sunday and even some during the week.

F dallas!

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

What is your point, by the way?

Are you trying to make a case that Jason Campbell and Donovan McNabb are roughly the same commodity in terms of QBs?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:26 PM

As blasphemous as it may sound to some here, based on performance in burgundy and gold: yes.

The Skins are averaging 18.6 points per game with McNabb under center, despite a defense that scores TDs this year.

A win is a win, but let's not pretend that McNabb's play as a Redskin so far would have earned him any of the honors he won in the past as an Iggle. He has been very Cambell-esque.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse
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Alan, gotta go against you here, though I wouldn't deny I expect better from McNabb than we have seen so far, for the most part.

There have been several situations where Campbell would have been sacked or been unable to make a good play, where as McNabb felt the rush, improvised, and made something happen.

Also, McNabb is almost directly the reason the Redskins have so many more explosive O plays than last year.

Right now, the biggest difference is DM's ability to sense pressure in the pocket and side step it. Campbell just doesn't seem to have that nose.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | October 25, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

McNabb is the better QB than Campbell, but give Campbell his props for yesterday. The opening drive had disaster written all over it. On back to back plays, Oak had a drop (would have been a 1st down), then a penalty. So Campbell scrambles on 3rd and 10 for the 1st down and a few plays later throws the TD that got the ball rolling.

Taken off Campbell's day was a TD run he made -- called back for illegal motion (a nitpicky, but correct, call).

The 59 points ... obviously Denver melted down and McFadden was great. But Campbell also made it look pretty easy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok - I'd like to change speeds:

Sunny in Philadelphia - SJKing hilarious this season? or crap... ? I have to say, they've got me on the "one fantastic bit" per episode thing. Long, slow sell on the joke - but when it hits, kabang. "We're Lawyers!"

And "The League" - anyone watching this? So it turns out the hot chick from Earl is on it, so that's a plus. But they're seriously under-using Nick Kroll. I almost wonder why he's in it, aside from the paycheck.

thots?

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 25, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse


Hey Chicken Little, I thought you only worried about the sky falling?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What's up Vinny?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'll go you one more:

What's up pabrian2003!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 12:50 PM

You two need to stay by your phones the next few days. They're in the final deliberations for the Nobel Prize in Arts and Letters and you're both finalists.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually taking your advice McFry-Guy, ITA!

I'm lovin it!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

shaunsherman12,

I completely agree with you.

I was thinking about this when I posted earlier, but that's really the biggest difference I see between the two. McNabb has been amazing at avoiding the sack. That is one area where I've been impressed with him all year.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I swear half of the posters involvement with the NFL is through this blog.
Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 1:06 PM

Yeah, I hear that some don't even watch the games...

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 25, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

-Despite a handful of good plays in the Indy game, I stick with my earlier proclamation that Buchanon stinks. I don't think the guy knows how to play the defense. He clearly blew coverage yesterday on the one touchdown pass. Is Barnes really worse than him? Really?Posted

by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 12:35 PM

Here's an early prediction. If the Skins have to sign another RB, Barnes will be the next draft pick sent packing.

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2010 12:51 PM
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Man, I hope not. I had high hopes for him coming in. BUT, if he is so bad that he can't even beat out Buchanon, then maybe it is time to cut their losses. Coming into the season, I thought the cornerbacks would have been positions with a lot of depth, but not feeling so good about that now. Heck, Tryon was even better than Buchanon.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Hate to say it, but NO, not this year."

The games against GB and Chicago were HUGE!

Saying this they will still need help to make it in. I had them penciled in over the Rams and they lost. I had them losing to GB and they won.

I don't think they make it this year but I am very happy on the effort that they have been giving. Right now that's all I can ask as a fan.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | October 25, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

As for the jints and 'pukes tonight ... obviously rooting against both teams.

The jints win, we're 1 game back. If the 'pukes win, they are back in the hunt, as everyone in the Beast would have 3 losses, and the 'pukes 4. I think I'd like to see dallas get 'eliminated', but either result will have an upside and a downside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"Giants go from our division, and the Falcons, Seahawks, and Packers...Saints and Eagles get the wild cards."


All that notwithstanding, compare this list to what the AFC is offering come playoff time:

Ravens, Pitts, Jets, NE, Colts, Titans, and Kansas City.

The Super Bowl winner will be one of the 1st four teams listed.

BOOK IT!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh, almost forgot, did you get a chance to watch the game PlayAction or that lame azz movie?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

For you math challenged: Don't be F'ing stupid. Of course we want the ginas to lose tonight.

And if you need to validate it it with an emotional anti cowboy hook: if the pokes win, Granpa Bobby the Cheeseburger Boy may save his job with a win.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I got your math right here:

F Dallas > Ginas with a 1 game lead
We still play the Ginas twice.

F Dallas!!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:46 PM
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QB ratings are close for both QBs who are on new teams and new systems.
McNabb aint been all that.. And JC has been more than "that" for the Raiders. A nice come from behind win and more effective in the Red Zone than McNabb has been.
Its a fair comparison.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | October 25, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse


Why do you continue to ignore the very real fact that Campbell got benched for his atrocious team-sinking play at the start of the year?

You continue to twiddle with a couple stats and say it's a "fair" comparison.

Based on your narrow view of a couple numbers, you think it is.

Once again - McNabb has thrown for 1000+ MORE yards than JC.

"Oh, but he's played more snaps/games!!", you say.

Yes, he has because Campbell's team BENCHED him.

Darren McFadden has been having a career year to prop up Campbell's play...and he STILL got benched.

Sure that JC QB rating of 127 yesterday is compelling...of course McFadden had alomst 200 yards of offense and 4 TDs.

You realize that one of Campbell's TDs was a checkdown/dumpoff to McFadden who ran 19 yards for the score?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The advantage of a Cowpies loss tonight (beyond the satisfaction of watching them lose) is it wouldn't just take them out of contention this year, but it would have lasting repercussions--likely coaching changes, player changes, and general turmoil.

Jerry Jones will probably want to take more control over day-to-day operations, and who knows? Vinny is available!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Ants and everything they stand for. But the Redskins have two opportunities to beat New Jersey this year but only one more chance to embarrass the girls. Have to root against Dallas tonight.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Playoffs? Last time I checked, you'd had to win a couple of playoff games to reach THE SUPER BOWL!!

Am I right?

Ha, just kidding. We suck.

Posted by: Scoonie97 | October 25, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think I would ever say this, but do you think Heyer might actually be better than Brown? I think Brown, like Kemoeatu, may be back from injury but he is not all of the way back.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 12:35 PM

For the love of God, NO...just because Brown isn't playing up to expectations, doesn't mean he's an undrafted slappy like Heyer. Unless #77 starts collecting flags like trading cards, I don't ever wanna hear that madness again.

That said, if Brown's hip isn't right, he probably shouldn't be playing if it's adversely affecting his performance.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 25, 2010 12:46 PM
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When I see Brown on the field I see a guy who is getting beaten like a drum by speed rushers. He's gone up against some talented guys in recent weeks, but the Brown that played with the Saints would have still held his own. False starts and holding penalties notwithstanding, I think Heyer has quicker feet on the field today. I noticed Heyer came in for spot relief of Brown for a few plays yesterday. I'm thinking we are seeing the Dockery-Lichtensteiger thing happening all over again.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

As for playoffs, beating Chi helps. I cited 5 games, of which we'd need to win 4 in order to have a decent shot at the playoffs. Chi, Det, Tenn, Jax and Hou. We're 1-1 in those games.

We did beat GB, but lost to StL -- kind of a push. Still, we don't have much room for error if we are to make the playoffs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, almost forgot, did you get a chance to watch the game PlayAction or that lame azz movie?

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:19 PM

Oh I watched it...in a sea of ravens fans...they were actually pretty good for the most part...they were humbled for at least one day by their game...it was pretty gloomy in there for most of the afternoon...and I was loving it!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Stay calm, everyone. But we have to ask:

a. Is the man seated next to you on this plane Bill O'Reilly or a muslim?

b. Did I just sit on a plate of mashed potatoes and gravy or let go a 'wet one'?

c. I'm not saying my new baby isn't mine, but he does look a lot like my best friend.

d. Were Kyle Shanahan AND Mike Shanahan both yelling at Donovan McNabb yesterday?

e. none of the above

Moe rolls with d as the bears' first touchdown had rookie quarterback issue written all over it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I want to like the League more, and i do watch. But it could be so much better...

On a fantasy football note, anyone notice how much I am PWNING the RI Fantasy League I am in. I mean just destroying. Its actually embaressing. You all are pikers.,..step your games up, DAM!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas > Ginas with a 1 game lead
We still play the Ginas twice.

F Dallas!!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 1:19 PM

Plus they will be 5-0 in the NFC Conference and 1-0 in our division.

F Dallas
But F Giants more for tonite...

COME ON PEOPLE EVOLVE! WE MAY BE RELEVANT! THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO ONLY CARE ABOUT THE GIRLS LOSING....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

step your games up, DAM!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 1:29 PM

Just like the NFL...Fantasay is a tale of 2 seasons and who has the hot hand at the end......

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Tell me if you agree. Looking at the stats of different players in the NFC, I could make a case for a few Redskins players making the pro bowl.

I think there are two already in it: Brian Orakpo and Laron. The only sack master in the NFC playing better than Orakpo is Clay Matthews. And there is no Strong Saftey better than Laron in the NFC.

Then I think you have to throw other names in there:

London Fletcher is tied with LL30 with the 3rd most tackles in the NFL.

Santana Moss has the 5th most yards by a WR in the NFL.

Trent Williams I think has been the best LT in the NFC.

There are just not too many Tight ends playing well in the NFC. So Cooley's name will be thrown in there.

I don't know any FB in the NFC playing better than Mike Sellers.

DeAnglo Hall now leads the league in INTS, thanks to 4 yesterday. If he picks off some more, he will be in.

Wild Card Pick: Albert Haynsworth. If he plays week in and out, like he did yesterday. I don't think there are many you can say are better than him in the NFC. Let alone the NFL.

Just some thoughts...

Posted by: roccoskins | October 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually taking your advice McFry-Guy, ITA!

I'm lovin it!!! hahaha

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:11 PM

That was my advice to scamp, not you. My advice to you was to stop hitting on the guy in the Ronald McDonald suit -- he's just not that into you.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh I watched it...in a sea of ravens fans...they were actually pretty good for the most part...they were humbled for at least one day by their game...it was pretty gloomy in there for most of the afternoon...and I was loving it!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I can just picture the bickering and whining in the first half. But their heads turned right back into hot-air balloons when they came back!

I haven't seen a Dallas troll in a while. Whadda ya know, they left on their own, even while people were talking to them. Go figure.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, well, well, something we can agree on.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Do we disagree a lot? I'm not recalling anything other than this McNabb issue. Anyway it's speculation. I might be right; I might be wrong. If I were a journalist I certainly wouldn't write a story about it at this point based on what is known via the public record...usually I'm right though

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 12:24 PM

Fair enough

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

that bum jason campbell will NEVER LEAD A TEAM TO TE PLAYOFFS!! MCNABB will lead the Redskins there!!! HTTR!!!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | October 25, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen a Dallas troll in a while. Whadda ya know, they left on their own, even while people were talking to them. Go figure.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:34 PM

They were here this morning.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@ roccoskins

"Looking at the stats of different players in the NFC, I could make a case for a few Redskins players making the pro bowl."

You're fixing to stir up some trouble in these parts--there's some folks around here with a profound disdain for stats!

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Tenn, Jax and Hou"

These are essential victories for playoffs Yahoo's own Zcesty?????

That makes zero sense.....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

JC 127.9, wow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Agree in part with Moe's point about the fumbling of RT. When one player holds the runner while another yanks at the ball it does cause turnovers, and that's just what Haslett wants our players to do. But the poke-out kind of fumble is not to be excused. Those are caused by the runner carrying the ball lazily against his forearm or elbow instead of tucking it in tight to the chest. And in traffic it should always be with two hands.

Betts and Stephen Davis used to lose a lot of those poke-out fumbles, as did Tiki Barber, until Coughlin coached him up. That problem is all about lack of concentration and poor technique.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 25, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

O yea, and Lorenzo Alexander will be voted in by players. There is no way in my mind, on ST, he is not in the pro bowl. People on kick offs and punts, rember his hits. He will be in.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 25, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

O yea, and Lorenzo Alexander will be voted in by players. There is no way in my mind, on ST, he is not in the pro bowl. People on kick offs and punts, rember his hits. He will be in.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 25, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

My opinion on DM5 vs. JC: If DM5 continues his comparatively poor play (he should have been able to do something yesterday with all the TO's we were able to get, which may be on lil' Shanny, but still, not to mention the STL game) he wasn't worth the trade. JC w/ a sports psychologist > DM5; JC w/o a sports psychologist is a bit worse than DM5, but not worth 2 picks. If our team was more complete and nearly going to the playoff's despite JC, I'd say the trade was awesome, but we don't have 2 picks to doll out for a guy who isn't that great and old. If DM5 starts playing lights out, not just scrambling but passing too, I'll reverse my opinion; but right now he's not worth the 2 picks.

FYI - the sports psychologist comments are referring to how at Auburn his coach played up JC's confidence and "played with his mind" in such a way to make him an awesome player. In the NFL, a sports psychologist could do that and help him with his confidence so he takes more deep shots and isn't so shell-shocked in the pocket. Nobody who saw his senior season at Auburn could say he played badly or "just" managed the game - he played extremely well in just about everything they asked him to do and could do it again with the help of someone playing with his mind the same way again.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 25, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I haven't seen a Dallas troll in a while. Whadda ya know, they left on their own, even while people were talking to them. Go figure.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:34 PM

They were here this morning.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 1:36 PM

Yeah but they quickly came and went...not much to say I reckon.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

JC 127.9, wow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM |

Last week
JC 10.7, terrible

Dnver's defense sucks and JC was 12-20 for 200 yards and two TD's one was a dump-off to the back who did all the work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 25, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

That was my advice to scamp, not you. My advice to you was to stop hitting on the guy in the Ronald McDonald suit -- he's just not that into you.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

You mean that wasn't your mom??? Wow, she needs to back off the make-up!

Beep-beep, fries done!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, I laughed at PampersTX one about the scoreboard. The scoreboard? That's deep.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

JFKaren - Let's stay relevant. Jason Campbell plays with The Oakland Raiders. This is a Redskins Blog.....

On that note, time for my (negative) thoughts:

Is Orakpo a one trick pony? Where is he in the running game and passing game/route checking department?

And Jamal Brown is either not healthy or not playing good.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Dnver's defense sucks and JC was 12-20 for 200 yards and two TD's one was a dump-off to the back who did all the work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 25, 2010 1:48 PM |

NOOOOOO! You fed the retarded troll. FOUL! Go sit in the corner for 21 minutes.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Monday Yo Momma Jokes Rule!

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Tenn, Jax and Hou"

These are essential victories for playoffs Yahoo's own Zcesty?????

That makes zero sense.....

Posted by: chrislarry

Yup. Figured we'd need to split the division games, win both parity games. We could lose to GB, Minn and Indy. So far, we lost a parity game, but beat GB, so we're on track against that group. If we did that, we'd be 5-6 in those games.

That left these other 5 games. Winnable games against less than great teams -- Det, Chi, Tenn, Hou and Jax. Go 4-1 vs this group and you get to 9-7, which gives a decent shot at the playoffs in the 2010 NFC East.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

JC 127.9, wow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM |

JC has one monster game a year. Yesterday was that game. Last year it was agianst the Saints. The year before that, I think it was the Cowboys week 4. The year before that it was against the Bucs. This doesn't make him a good QB. He just gets lucky with horrible Pass coverage once a year.

Posted by: roccoskins | October 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dnver's defense sucks and JC was 12-20 for 200 yards and two TD's one was a dump-off to the back who did all the work.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 25, 2010 1:48 PM

If JC put the ball in the hands of the player who happened to be having a career day, I don't see how that becomes a criticism. That's just smart football.

We did that with Timmy Smith once and won a Super Bowl.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

FYI - the sports psychologist comments are referring to how at Auburn his coach played up JC's confidence and "played with his mind" in such a way to make him an awesome player. In the NFL, a sports psychologist could do that and help him with his confidence so he takes more deep shots and isn't so shell-shocked in the pocket. Nobody who saw his senior season at Auburn could say he played badly or "just" managed the game - he played extremely well in just about everything they asked him to do and could do it again with the help of someone playing with his mind the same way again.

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Worked for Tin Cup, so maybe...

Maybe what McNabb needs to do is put all his change into his left pocket, tie his left shoe in a double knot, put his hat backwards and put a tee behind his left ear... because his brain is getting in the way of his passes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 25, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian 2003's annoying rating is consistently %100

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

JC 127.9, wow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I knew it, what took you so long to gloat today? I bet you were in 'Old Soup Heaven' yesterday huh?

SCAMP, I know they were here earlier, I ITA like some advise, and that message was for someone else but he's too STUPID to notice. Thanks for trying to help though.

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

And Jamal Brown is either not healthy or not playing good.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Definitely not playing well; probably not healthy either. Double m by the way as in Jammin'

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Wild card at 9-7.

This is .550 team right now.

Posted by: swingwing | October 25, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Wild card at 9-7.

This is .550 team right now.

Posted by: swingwing | October 25, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

You could set your watch to 4th's Orakpo bashing....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

And Jamal Brown is either not healthy or not playing good.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Definitely not playing well; probably not healthy either. Double m by the way as in Jammin'

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

A little bit of each:

1. Playing new position - He was a ProBowler at LT, obviously needs the learning curve at RT

2. Some injuries take a full year to heal, and this seems to be one of them.

3. Entire years off tend to produce rust and cobwebs in even the ProBowl players.


I fully expect all 3 of those to go away and it'll seem like a whole new player by next year. Book it!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing to me how many fans are afraid of the Eagles and think they will make the playoffs despite having lost to most of the good teams they have faced.

Philadelphia has a questionable OL and their defense is not reliable.

Their wins have come against Detroit, Jacksonville, San Francisco and Atlanta.

Of that group only Atlanta can be considered a solid team.

The Eagles have 3 losses but have not yet played any of their NFC East games and they still have to face the Colts, whom Washington and NY have already played.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | October 25, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

We need #77 to perform at a high level or the whole sh* house is going to go up in smoke.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Born in D.C. at Providence, Skins fan for life(got the tattoo to prove it) but am a realist. Will be the first to say NO GAME in ANY sport has been won without some luck but we are really streaching the limits this year. We beat the Pack with a stop on fourth and goal from the 6 inch line(they try to pass it), a "doink" off the upright,& clay matthews out. Beat Philly ater knocking out Vick, an Andy Reid time out screw up on 4th and goal, & a dropped pass in the endzone on the last play of the game. Beat "Da Bears" after a Cutler TD is ruled a fumble(Lovie shoulda challenged)and Lance Briggs out. Just saying, like the Saints last year, it seems like everything is going our way while our offense tries to get it together. The breaks are gonna stop coming and our offense needs to step it up. McNabb is not what I hoped for and if I had to decide right now I'd say "No" to an extension. "D" gets 6 turn overs, 5 of them put the ball into the hands of the offense and all you can get is 10 points? That's unacceptable against ANY defense. All that said I guess I gotta root for the Cowgirls tonight(I think I just threw up a little in my mouth).

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | October 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

If JC put the ball in the hands of the player who happened to be having a career day, I don't see how that becomes a criticism. That's just smart football.

We did that with Timmy Smith once and won a Super Bowl.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse


The criticism is that it always has to be someone else having the career day around Jason Campbell...never Jason Campbell himself.

His time with Raiders has only served to backup the career-crticism of Jason Campbell: He's a nice QB to have, so long as everything around him is working perfectly.

His "big" day against the Broncos was little more than a McFadden-coat-tail riding performance.

His big comeback against San Diego fed off of some huge special teams plays, Michael Bush going for 100+, and a last-minute fumble recovery returned for a TD to actually get the win.

Classic Jason Campbell - He can do no wrong so long as everyone else is making the plays around him...but God forbid you ever have to actually put the game in his hands.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

JC may be with oakland, but the draft pick him playing well may net us affects us this coming year. Beyond that - there is no reason to not debate this topic when you consider there are 2 draft picks that we lost.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Too early to predict playoffs. This team needs more offense and consistency. Our defense is still suspect in my eyes. Their making a lot of good plays but then they have the bonehead letdowns. How many times have we played great defense on first and second down and then let (any) offenses pick up the 3rd and longs?

I would like to add, this team has possibilities. We need to continue to jell and stay injury free.

The Qb posts --- I was a big supporter for JC, but the guy just didn't have the quick decision making ability a Qb needs. Hopefully, he finds the right offense because he has a good arm and is a good guy. McNabb has made us much, much better. He pulls the trigger and this makes our offense tenfold better than last season. Ok, we have different playcallers and systems, but either way McNabb vs Campbell is not a good argument.

If you want to argue, Is Torain the real deal or not? I'm still on the fence and this past week he may have dropped on my overall scale and this was after a decent running game.

Posted by: Rando | October 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Darren McFadden has been having a career year to prop up Campbell's play...and he STILL got benched.

Sure that JC QB rating of 127 yesterday is compelling...of course McFadden had alomst 200 yards of offense and 4 TDs.

You realize that one of Campbell's TDs was a checkdown/dumpoff to McFadden who ran 19 yards for the score?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

mcFadden has been hurt most of the year, STOP HATIN

Campbell dominated and mcNabb sucked, that IS what happened yesterday.

don't live in denial, we won, but just admit that mcNabb played horribly, torain fumbled twice, banks fell down and fumbled and armstrong has brick hands.

meanwhile HAYNESWORTH was awesome alomg with Hall, Rocky, and the whole D

specials and offense were terrible

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts:

- DHall needs to shut up and play. Wink wink, nudge nudge….you know who you are.
- Glad they didn’t get rid of Haynesworth. He’s gonna be a beast from here on out as long as he stays healthy.
- Carlos Rodgers (dropped int’s aside) and Rocky Macintosh are playing like they realize that a future payday is on the line. Glad to see that they are showing the FO with their play, instead of through the media. Hope they extend both of them.
- Really lucky that the playclock ran out before the pick 6 that wasn’t. Realllly lucky.
- I’m never yelling “Don’t fumble!” at the tv again when the skins have the ball. I almost punched myself in the mouth the 2nd time it happened.
- Playoffs? Maybe….if we can win the division at 8-8. Cuz that’s what this team seems to be headed for. Love the heart and the don’t quit though.
- Listened to the first half on the radio. Love Sam Huff, but he is really starting to sound like a baphoon.
- If Mcnabb can stay healthy, I think he will only get better. Sign him for 2 more years and get a better oline.
- I know what the standings say, but I can’t root for the cowboys tonight; too early in the season. Let’s hope the skins can take care of business themselves down the stretch.
- Detroit will be tough. May take a big play or two on offense to win.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 25, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

You realize that one of Campbell's TDs was a checkdown/dumpoff to McFadden who ran 19 yards for the score?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

you realize that one of McNabbs pick 6's was taken away because of delay of game?

just one though the other horrible one counted

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/102010/10242010/583940/index_html?page=1

McNabb shakyin 'Skins' pocket

Redskins visit Bears

Date published: 10/24/2010

BY RICH CAMPBELL

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Specials were OK - I can understand punting away from Hester, but wtfrig - can't a professional punter make the ball go a BIT farther before going out of bounds? And that Gano miss was the first one that wasn't excusable due to distance (most other misses were 48 yards or more).

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | October 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The Qb posts --- I was a big supporter for JC, but the guy just didn't have the quick decision making ability a Qb needs.

Posted by: Rando | October 25, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

A snail has quicker decision making ability than Campbell.

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Given Galloway's limited production so far and Roydell Williams lack of playing time, I wonder if Shanahan is considering Terrence Austin at all from the practice squad. I thought he was solid in pre-season, with great speed and route running and dependable hands.

Posted by: quinn3 | October 25, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"His time with Raiders has only served to backup the career-crticism of Jason Campbell: He's a nice QB to have, so long as everything around him is working perfectly."

pFunk
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in other words, we could have built around JC instead of getting the high priced, big splash, getting old, on a one year deal Chunky(r) Brunell.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Right on vegasskinsfan! I agree and was also born in DC at Georgetown and am happy I wasn't blow up in some meth-lab mishap. The team is actually overachieving relative to its personnel and in a few positions, the lack thereof.

This team reminds me a little of a 455c.i. V8 I rebuilt for a '71 GTO when I was 19. When I was all wrapped up, I had a few nuts/bolts/brackets left over but the car ran great so I didn't sweat it.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse


The criticism is that it always has to be someone else having the career day around Jason Campbell...never Jason Campbell himself.


His "big" day against the Broncos was little more than a McFadden-coat-tail riding performance.

His big comeback against San Diego fed off of some huge special teams plays, Michael Bush going for 100+, and a last-minute fumble recovery returned for a TD to actually get the win.

Posted by: p1funk |


Guess you didn't see those games. Campbell played very well in both and had a big part in each game. He was key in the opening drive vs Denver, overcoming his team's mistakes to get the ball rolling.

He made several plays vs SD (all the special team plays happened before Campbell got in the game) and had 2 70+ yard drives in relief to come from behind. The fumble recovery TD happened with Oak leading.

Its fine to criticize Campbell, he's earned plenty of it. But give him his props when he does well. SD and Denver were games where he was .... really good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Classic Jason Campbell - He can do no wrong so long as everyone else is making the plays around him...but God forbid you ever have to actually put the game in his hands.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Classic (donovan mcNabb) - He can do no wrong so long as everyone else is making the plays around him...but God forbid you ever have to actually put the game in his hands.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

OH well this won't go away I'm here might as well chime in.

1.) I'm not a JC hater, never have been, and would have been happy with him here for one more year as a caretaker. But Shanny felt otherwise and I respect that.

2.) 2.) Donovan McNabb is better this year than JC will ever be.

3.) Skins are better this year with McNabb here this year.

4.) JC is gone, never coming back so let him go already!

5.) Obviously in hindsight Gibbs Vinny and Dan made a mistake on Jason in 2005. Even at the time, it was obvious they gave up an awful lot for him.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

You realize that one of Campbell's TDs was a checkdown/dumpoff to McFadden who ran 19 yards for the score?

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

you realize that one of McNabbs pick 6's was taken away because of delay of game?

just one though the other horrible one counted

Posted by: pabrian2003

You do realize Campbell had a TD run of his own called back because of a ticky-tack motion penalty?

Wait, why I am playing this stupid game?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

no clearly pFunk didn't watch the raiders

but the blind hatred is still there

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to call in Brian Burke to settle this Campbell/McNabb debate once and for all.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

You could set your watch to 4th's Orakpo bashing....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 2:04 PM

That's because I haven't seen anything else.

Pass Coverage. Run Stopping. Playing within a system.

Or we'll just worry about that by the time he is year #5.......

He can sure as hell rush, though...

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

JC 127.9, wow

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 1:38 PM
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Hey, JC had a good day. Good for him. May he play well for the rest of the season so Washington can get that 4th round pick for him.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to call in Brian Burke to settle this Campbell/McNabb debate once and for all.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the NERD will know what to do!!!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

no clearly pFunk didn't watch the raiders

but the blind hatred is still there

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:27 PM |

Man, I don't even want to know how bad you felt when the Skins moved Hostetler, Gannon, B. Johnson, Desmond Howard, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey or Antonio Pierce.

Especially since 5 of those guys played in or won SB's and one was the MVP.

When I drive, I try to look ahead instead of staring at the rear view mirror.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I know the right thing to do is root for the cowboys, but I can't do it.

would rather the Boys get knocked out early and control our own destiny with our games against the Giants.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

When I drive, I try to look ahead instead of staring at the rear view mirror.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:33 PM |

Consider who you're talking to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

You do realize Campbell had a TD run of his own called back because of a ticky-tack motion penalty?

Wait, why I am playing this stupid game?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to get sucked-in. It's the troll's magic power.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Man, I don't even want to know how bad you felt when the Skins moved Hostetler, Gannon, B. Johnson, Desmond Howard, Stephen Davis, Champ Bailey or Antonio Pierce.

Especially since 5 of those guys played in or won SB's and one was the MVP.

When I drive, I try to look ahead instead of staring at the rear view mirror.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

When Snyder got rid of our best player every year for his first 5 or 6 years and brought in washed up FA's for big $$

That was the greatest.

Shan-a-cool tried it this year with Haynesworth, but the gods of football stepped up and said NO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I know the right thing to do is try to enjoy the Redskins' early success, but I can't do it.

There. Fixed it for ya.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:35 PM

Posted by: MColeman51 | October 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

but the blind hatred is still there


So says the Klansman after his eyes have been poked out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

why the heck are you guys talking about jason campbell? he's not on our team...!

the only possible reason for us to pay attention to him is that one of those draft choices we got for him depends on how he plays. with that in mind we should be hoping he has many games like last week.

on another topic, our focus in the offseason has to be on acquiring interior o-linemen.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 25, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to get sucked-in. It's the troll's magic power.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:37 PM

Hessone's magical ITA powder is even powerless over it.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

When I drive, I try to look ahead instead of staring at the rear view mirror.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:33 PM |

Consider who you're talking to.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 25, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I try to believe what I see, not what I hear

example: haynesworth

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Love this poll result because it cuts against the myth about Redskins fans thinking we're winning the Super Bowl every year. Looks like, as a body, we are cautiously optimistic.

This being the first year of a new administration, and facing a brutal schedule, I was prepared to be satisfied at 7-9 or 8-8. I still think 8-8 is a very respectable finish given the situation. Could this team finish 9-7 or even 10-6 and take a wild card? It's possible. The fact that two of our losses are to AFC teams will help us. Losing to the "right" teams came up huge for Gibbs II in one of the playoff years.

Posted by: mhaslup1 | October 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Why the hell are we talking about Campbell??? The guy sucked!!!! Lets move on. Last year we lost so many games by 7 or less points. This year we are 4-2 compared to 2-7 last year. This has to say something about the quarterback.

Posted by: TheJury | October 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

They'll be edged out of the wildcard race in the last 2 games of the season.

If they make it in, they won't get past the first round.
But they are well on their way, ladies and gentlemen. And I hope I'm wrong about my predictions.

Posted by: j762 | October 25, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"on another topic, our focus in the offseason has to be on acquiring interior o-linemen.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch"

And a Free Safety...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Guess you didn't see those games. Campbell played very well in both and had a big part in each game. He was key in the opening drive vs Denver, overcoming his team's mistakes to get the ball rolling.

He made several plays vs SD (all the special team plays happened before Campbell got in the game) and had 2 70+ yard drives in relief to come from behind. The fumble recovery TD happened with Oak leading.

Its fine to criticize Campbell, he's earned plenty of it. But give him his props when he does well. SD and Denver were games where he was .... really good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse


I don't know if you are actually reading my posts.

What I plainly said is that Jason Campbell is a fine QB - so long as everyone else around him is playing great, but he's not someone you can count on to carry a game for you.

That's always been my criticism of JC and nothing happening in Oakland right now is evidence of that changing.

Seriously, Darren McFadden goes for 200 yards and 4TDs, and people are going ga-ga for Jason Campbell???? He had 12 completions and threw for 200 yards. Denver got blown out from the gun and there wasn't any pressure on Campbell to do much of anything.

Campbell stepped in half-way through the San Diego game and had a couple nice drives - kudos. We've all seen him dink and dunk his way to a few TD drives, no one is saying he's incapable of doing that from time to time. But we forget that he stepped in half way through that game b/c he lost his starting job weeks before due to atrocious play.

It just boggles the mind how badly people need to make this guy out to be better than he is.

He's in a pitched battle to keep the starting job on the Oakland Raiders from Bruce Gradkowski - a job he's already lost once.

Forgive me if I'm not up here pining for his return to the Redkskins.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to get sucked-in. It's the troll's magic power.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:37 PM

Hessone's magical ITA powder is even powerless over it.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

He should talk to beep-beep then cause Holier-Than-Thou King-Of-The-Blog seems to deflect it. Maybe it's the new oil they put in the friers.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Wait, why I am playing this stupid game?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

It's easy to get sucked-in. It's the troll's magic power.....

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:37 PM

No Kidding. Can't keep track of the times I have had to punch myself in the eye to keep from responding to the broken record.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

why the heck are you guys talking about jason campbell?

Jason Campbell?

I'm still whining about the skins letting Ladell Betts go.

I'm of the opinion he was the one cut Shanny should not have made.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

the only possible reason for us to pay attention to him is that one of those draft choices we got for him depends on how he plays.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 25, 2010 2:40 PM

Not true...the better he plays...the more we get to hear from pabrian...it was part of the trade.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

This is a joke right? That was one of the ugliest wins ever. Let's not get carried away........

They have yet to have a quality win....

Posted by: CF11555 | October 25, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This is a joke right? That was one of the ugliest wins ever. Let's not get carried away........

They have yet to have a quality win....

Posted by: CF11555 | October 25, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"an Andy Reid time out screw up on 4th and goal"

That's not luck. That's a natural advantage every opponent has when playing an Andy Reid coached team.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | October 25, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

walter-in-fallschurch:

"why the heck are you guys talking about jason campbell? he's not on our team...!"

I think it's because DMac is underperforming. The same reason you read about what the previously hated BLloyd is doing here when our wideouts (Tana aside) aren't producing.

DMac evidently earned a lot of Skins fans during his years of success in Philly, obviously, whereas JC earned some fans--and enemies--while wearing burgundy and gold. It's an interesting dynamic that keeps sparking this tiresome debate.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

"on another topic, our focus in the offseason has to be on acquiring interior o-linemen.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch"

And a Free Safety...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 2:44 PM
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And an inside linebacker, another corner, a big wide receiver, a backup right tackle... No use starting the list now. We might be looking for a QB if they don't re-sign McNabb. MoIntosh probably won't get a new contract. Rogers might not get a new contract. Too many potential holes to sort it all out. Here's to hoping they re-sign some guys and snag a few free agents...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 25, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"They have yet to have a quality win....

Posted by: CF11555"

Um 2 NFC east victories and two against NFC opponents fighting for same wildcard slots...

"Quality Wins" yes you're right we are not in the running for the BCS.

I swear you people don't actually watch and follow the NFL.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

why the heck are you guys talking about jason campbell? he's not on our team...!

the only possible reason for us to pay attention to him is that one of those draft choices we got for him depends on how he plays. with that in mind we should be hoping he has many games like last week.

on another topic, our focus in the offseason has to be on acquiring interior o-linemen.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | October 25, 2010 2:40 PM |

Walter, in a word:

Ding-ding-ding-ding-ding!

(Handing him a Romeo Y Julieta)

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Your luck won't last forever.

Once again the Washington Awfulskins got outplayed from start to finish and the football gods smiled on them.

Warmly,
Joe

Posted by: PampaTex | October 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Shan-a-cool tried it this year with Haynesworth, but the gods of football stepped up and said NO

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 25, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Your honor, I'd like to enter into evidence exibit 1. Pabrainiac and Tampax are the same person! Busted!!!!!!

Guess you shouldn't type the same line twice in the same day you piece of f*ckin repeatin sh*t! (sorry, Adam Sandler line!)

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

No Kidding. Can't keep track of the times I have had to punch myself in the eye to keep from responding to the broken record.

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 25, 2010 2:46 PM |

Try punching yourself in the 'fellas'.

Trust me, you'll only have to do it once.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"They have yet to have a quality win....

Posted by: CF11555"

Honestly, ANY win in the NFL is a quality win. Let's say we go to the Super Bowl and win it like yesterday, UGLY! Are you gonna complain about an ugly SB win? Are they gonna give us an ugly trophy instead the usual one? No!!! Everyone stop analyzing, just go with it. We won, we're 4-3. In fact, I hope every game is an ugly win, it'll keep the Dallas trolls around for entertainment.

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there will be any validation for the tiny contingent of peeps who cannot let go of ex-Redskins until Rock Cartwright picks up a blitz and allows Jason Campbell to throw a 60 yard bomb to Marko Mitchell who will then lateral to Devin Thomas just before being tackled and watching DT pull up lame and reach for his hammy and fall to his knees in the end zone drawing a celebration flag.

Perfection.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:54 PM


Good work.

Now, your next assignment--should you be willing to accept the risk--is finding the man who took mrsmoe's virginity.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, ANY win in the NFL is a quality win. Let's say we go to the Super Bowl and win it like yesterday, UGLY! Are you gonna complain about an ugly SB win? Are they gonna give us an ugly trophy instead the usual one? No!!! Everyone stop analyzing, just go with it. We won, we're 4-3. In fact, I hope every game is an ugly win, it'll keep the Dallas trolls around for entertainment.

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:04 PM

Hey monk...did you know Art Monks number was 81...not 811?

So one lousy AH post from Reid today? This place blows.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

So we've invested almost a quarter billion dollars and most of the last decade's draft picks into the defense and suddenly we're winning ugly? F that, we are winning with defense because that's the team we built. That's the scheme and that's the gameplan. I look forward to more of these ugly wins.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey monk...did you know Art Monks number was 81...not 811?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 3:08 PM

Art Monk read some of his posts up here and made him change his handle from Monk81 to Monk811.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

p1funk -- as someone who saw the Raider/Denver game -- Campbell made plays early when his team wasn't -- before McFadden got rolling. Vs SD, he led 2 long drives in a very tight game against a top rated defense. He deserves props for those games.

As for pining for JC's return ... no. I'm one of the few who would have preferred Shanahan use the $$ and the picks on OL. Either Pouncey (the rookie C for Pitts) or perhaps Mankins.

But McNabb is here and I'm rooting for the guy.

As for Campbell, Oakland really isn't a great fit. AZ would have been a much better landing spot for him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

From Shanny's presser today.

Shanahan: Heyer and Brown are gonna split time at right tackle. It has to do with the quality of Brown's play. 13 minutes ago

==============================================

Did Heyer just beat out Brown?

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 2:54 PM

Good work.

Now, your next assignment--should you be willing to accept the risk--is finding the man who took mrsmoe's virginity.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Alright, everyone freeze, I need to start smelling fingers and checking pants for a 'broken cherry'! But first, I'm gonna need a smell sample to go by, where is Mrs. Moe anyway.........

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't see how you can blame a guy for fumbling when defensive players hold you up so another guy can pull your arms apart to get the ball.

Then there's the pick pocketing where a guy pokes at the ball as he'd rather not tackle you.

Fumblng used to be when you got hit so hard, the ball popped out.

MISTAMOE

Not true. Not-fumbling can be taught. It may take an off-season, but it can be. Pay attention, hold the ball high and tight, when in doubt use both hands, situational awareness.

Latest success story, Minnesota's Peterson. used to lay it down frequently, not once this year.

Posted by: TheCork | October 25, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I love how the Post says "stay calm", as if we're too stupid to have a discussion about playoffs without rioting in the streets.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 25, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

So we've invested almost a quarter billion dollars and most of the last decade's draft picks into the defense and suddenly we're winning ugly? F that, we are winning with defense because that's the team we built. That's the scheme and that's the gameplan. I look forward to more of these ugly wins.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 3:10 PM |

Well unless you're a minority owner - and you're not - you haven't invested anything you didn't want to.

Also, this is a new administration as it were and not one bit of any of that previous stuff counts under the Shanallahan regime. Right now, that new management team is 4-3 and that's that.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan: Heyer and Brown are gonna split time at right tackle. It has to do with the quality of Brown's play. 13 minutes ago


Wow.

I tell youone thing: that defensive end he was matched on, Idanije for the bears, is a nice player.

He excelled at either side of the line and was more of a force than Peppers.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey monk...did you know Art Monks number was 81...not 811?

So one lousy AH post from Reid today? This place blows.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm the No. 1 Art Monk fan, so that's why there is a 1 after the 81.

Yeah, 1 post, and it's a Playoff Poll. He didn't have the decency to copy and paste from some other source like he usually does! The nerve!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

DONT ASK.....JUST CLICK ON THE LINK

http://www.lifesports.ru/news/27615/

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 25, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

DMac's inconsistency will lead to this kind of debate and speculation all year, I suspect. But I'm in the camp that thinks his leadership qualities shouldn't be underestimated. There really is no such thing as an effective quiet leader when it comes to pro qb's. JC was proof of that. DM should be re-signed to a 3 year deal, to bridge the gap to the qb we draft in 2012.

In the mediocre NFL, there is no reason we can't make the playoffs next year with even a slightly improved O line.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 25, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Quick poll. Favorite Shamu moment.

1. Shamuvin' on up. Albert goes over up and over to stop Cutler at the goal line

2. Shamuvin' em back. Albert blows up the Chi OL and throws then into Cutler for a sack.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I love how the Post says "stay calm", as if we're too stupid to have a discussion about playoffs without rioting in the streets.

Posted by: themantoyou | October 25, 2010 3:15 PM

I have a feeling the headline is just a nod to Jim Mora's famous tirade, forever etched in every sports fan's mind.

Posted by: Alan4 | October 25, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey monk...did you know Art Monks number was 81...not 811?

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 3:08 PM

Art Monk read some of his posts up here and made him change his handle from Monk81 to Monk811.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Yes sir, whatever you say sir!

Wait a minute, I'm not like some other people up here, I don't need to kiss your azz.

BTW, don't forget to wash your hands after you unclog that toilet!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Well unless you're a minority owner - and you're not - you haven't invested anything you didn't want to.

Also, this is a new administration as it were and not one bit of any of that previous stuff counts under the Shanallahan regime. Right now, that new management team is 4-3 and that's that.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

That's racists. Owning minorities has been illegal for a long time.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 25, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

From Shanny's presser today.

Shanahan: Heyer and Brown are gonna split time at right tackle. It has to do with the quality of Brown's play. 13 minutes ago


Did Heyer just beat out Brown?

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I smell something burning

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I don't need to kiss your azz.


Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:21 PM

True that. But you probably need to kiss Art Monk's and beg forgiveness for making him look like a fool after he let you use his name and part of his social security number.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

McNabb has underwhelmed but there is no doubt in my mind that if JC was still here we would not be 4-3 and we would be seeing a hell of a lot more sack-fumbles with all the pressure we get every week.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | October 25, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm the No. 1 Art Monk fan, so that's why there is a 1 after the 81.

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:16 PM

Thanks for clearing that up haha...I know beep was busting your chops about it a while back but didn't catch your explanation.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

oooh 4th! That's just too good. Dig the translation:

The most glamorous ice hockey team of Russia, Alexander Ovechkin was used in anything does not refuse to play. After arduous season Ovi, dreaming is completely disconnected from hockey and plunge into the world of fun and heat in a 35, pulled into Turkey. Company Sasha was a friend and partner in the Washington Capitals' Alexander Semin, and beautiful girl - a dancer at one of Moscow clubs.

Girls just went crazy from Alexander the Great After throwing off his clothes opostylevshuyu, remaining only in shorts and a constant red cap, pumped hockey indulged in a little human joys. Apparently, Ovi and Sam have chosen this method of relaxation, as the best to forget the bad hockey season, which not developed any "Washington" or the team. soft drinks, bathing in the sea, sweet idleness and ... Dancing on the deck excursion boat.

It is this pleasant pastime hockey player, and devoted a lot of hours, the good teacher he got not only professional but also beautiful. - Sasha gay man - said one eyewitness truetskogo prom Ovi .- In his company prevailed round the clock fun. With the boys were girls - professional dancers, they have even tried to learn Ovi move under different kinds of music.


In Soviet Russian... [your pun here]

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 25, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I know beep was busting your chops about it a while back but didn't catch your explanation.

Posted by: PlayAction | October 25, 2010 3:36 PM |

That's because he tries a different explanation every time he's asked. He needs to write it on the back of his hand so he can remember what his alibi is.

Posted by: beep-beep | October 25, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

From Shanny's presser today.
Shanahan: Heyer and Brown are gonna split time at right tackle. It has to do with the quality of Brown's play. 13 minutes ago

Did Heyer just beat out Brown?
Posted by: TWISI

One would hope there is someone getting ready to challenge Hicks as well.

Posted by: NYPDee | October 25, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't know why, but am more worried about Detroit than some of the other, allegedly more competitive, teams we've played over the past few weeks.

Do we build on the momentum from this week to go out and kick some Detroit butt going into the bye week?

Do we revert to form and play down to (and beneath) our level of competition?

Posted by: Vic1 | October 25, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"McNabb has underwhelmed but there is no doubt in my mind that if JC was still here we would not be 4-3 and we would be seeing a hell of a lot more sack-fumbles with all the pressure we get every week."


I understand.

Last winter, I was of a mind to rebuild the offense, retain Campbell, then take the time to draft his replacement to sit behind him to eventually replace him.

I'd say if the quarterback class of 2010 had been better than Sam Bradford and the Pips, drafting to replace Campbell would've made since.

But the upcoming class should be very strong (Newton(?), Mallet, Locker, Luck, et al.), and so, perhaps McNabb's replacement is who we should have on the radar screen next spring.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 25, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm the No. 1 Art Monk fan, so that's why there is a 1 after the 81.

Yeah, 1 post, and it's a Playoff Poll. He didn't have the decency to copy and paste from some other source like he usually does! The nerve!

Posted by: monk811 | October 25, 2010 3:16 PM |

I appreciate and respect that which is why I only would make myself 'monk811.1'.

Love Monk! The history of the league cannot be written without him.


Posted by: Personal_Fowl | October 25, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

AH Beeps

Posted by: Curzon417 | October 25, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons we are 4-3 is that Jim Zorn isn't running the show.

Of course, it helps to play against Jim Zorn, and Lovie Smith did his best Zorn impression by mismanaging the challenges. Thought one of the DHall picks could have been overturned -- looked like the ball hit the ground. And the goal line fumble by Cutler had a chance of being overturned.

Having a sharp coach on the sidelines makes a difference. We had one, Chi didn't.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | October 25, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

This is a joke right? That was one of the ugliest wins ever. Let's not get carried away........

They have yet to have a quality win....

Posted by: CF11555 | October 25, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse


Why don't you take this onto some college football/BCS blog.

They care alot more about your notion of a "quality win" than the NFL does.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Did Heyer just beat out Brown?

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

I smell something burning

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

That would be draft picks...for those wondering.

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 25, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I voted "yes" but I really want to vote "maybe."

I think we'll win 9 games and have to depend on tie breakers to sneak into the playoffs. Hard to predict.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 25, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

4th, here is the recent GQ article on Ovie that covers same territority that russian link does:

http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201011/alexander-ovechkin-nhl-washington-capitals

If you dont Love Ovie, you have no soul

Posted by: chrislarry | October 25, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Nope, no playoffs this year. Skins will finish 7-9 but the team is definitely better. With that being said, it'll be a mistake to sign McNabb. His career path is not on a plateau, it's on a steady decline. He looks like the same McNabb that Dallas beat up on at the end of last year. There is no up-side left in McNabb's reservoir.

Posted by: coparker5 | October 25, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Reality check: we remain an 8 - 8 team that could swing a game or two in either direction depending on injuries and breaks.

Lovie Smith challenges that Cutler goal line "fumble" - it crossed the line - and we're not having this conversation.

For a wild card we'd probably have to win 6 out of the last 3 games.

NY wins the division.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 25, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Bottom half offense and a second-worst defense (yardage-wise) that relies on turnovers to stop the opponent from walking into the end zone. As much as I'd like to see them succeed, I don't think play-offs are a reasonable expectation. If the offense looks smooth by season's end, and the defense starts holding teams to reasonable yardage to boot, that's all I'm looking for in a first year regime.

Posted by: creativefunk | October 25, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@MistaMoe
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Good insightful post about fumbling. Here's another point, Charles Tillman is a sterling 'forced fumble' causing defensive back.
Some DBs have the gift of catching interceptions-D.Hall, D.Sanders
Some DBs have the gift of being reliable sackers-R.Barber
Some DBs are really good at forcing fumbles/stripping the ball-C.Tillman, C.Woodson
Some do all of the above-Rod Woodson

So let's ease up on ATV, he's a young back that was playing against Tillman for the 1st time.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | October 25, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

With the amount of class A misfits we have...A playoff run would be a lot of fun....

Posted by: BingCreole | October 25, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

that is correct tryon is better than buchannon in coverage and younger none of us know what barnes can do other than knowing he is a big hitter the DIC-tater shanahan only plays favorites and yes men anyone not knowing that by now are blind, deaf and dumb. this guy still has galloway, r. williams,buchannon,licthensteiger,rabach and heyer on the team cut d. thomas because he does not like modeling or videos..he has NO truth in him period I don't accept as fact anything he says.

Posted by: wathu19 | October 25, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

No playoffs, 8-8 is a logical goal that MIGHT be achieved. If the offense can score more TDs, and if the defense can allow fewer yards per game. then 8-8 is achievable. Not the playoffs. It would be nice, but is not likely.

Posted by: bfjam | October 25, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's revisit this in December. This team has shown it is consistently inconsistent and save for its heart in games, it wouldn't be where it is right now.

The offense has to get it in gear and the defense has to continue to reclaim the ball.

This team has potential, but it can also bite the hand that claps for them.

Posted by: laserwizard | October 25, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

To my hard-earned haters:

I'm just saying I don't think the team is playing well and that very soon they will stop squeaking out wins.

They still could easily be 0-7 in my mind. And yes, to their credit, they are 4-3 (not 0-7).

But, they are NOT a good football team and it is bound to catch up with them very soon.

I hope I'm wrong, but I just think they still have a long way to go before they can seriously say the "P" word.

Posted by: CF11555 | October 25, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Watching Giants vs Dallas. Is it possible to root for TWO teams to lose? I wish...

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | October 25, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I love the Skins as much as anyone but there are some realities we must face.

New coach
New QB
New Defensive scheme (currently last in the league in D)
3 new Offensive Linemen on the OL.
New Offensive scheme
No WR that scares anyone
Past two games not withstanding (Run game is not on track yet)

We are a very fortunate 4-3 team. We are on the right track but several pieces are still missing. If we get to the playoffs, it will be one of the more incredible stories in football history.

Posted by: dwdave67 | October 25, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Sure, I will be part of the "Jinx" by saying the Redskins are "Playoff" bound! Playoffs?!? Playoffs!?! Playoffs, Baby!!!!!!!!!!! Sure, we can all dream but this is bordering on hallucination. As in the immortal words of Michael Irvin during the MNF pre-game radio show "Thems are the keys to the game."

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 25, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

8-8. Don't make the playoffs. Mid first round draft choice. No further comment at this time. Good night and god bless!

Posted by: randysbailin | October 26, 2010 2:58 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely not, and a question for everyone that thinks we're making the playoffs: did you watch the Bears game? Did you? Huh? Because if you did, you're on some seriously good drugs if you think we're a playoff team.

Posted by: tristesse27 | October 26, 2010 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Nope, I don't think they do. My guess is they wind up in the .500 neighborhood with the attendant draft position. As predicted by many before the season.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 26, 2010 6:18 AM | Report abuse

It's not that they're so good, it's that the NFC is very average and the Skins are beating other NFC teams. The encouraging thing is that they are managing to win some games why they are still finding their way through new offensive and defensive systems. Once they master them they will be a team that nobody wants to play.

Posted by: largetony86 | October 26, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

If this were an ordinary season, I'd say no way. However this ain't your ordinary season. At week 7 we have no undeafeated teams. All but three teams have a least two losses, and the three that don't all had bye weeks..and they are in the AFC. The Giants are starting to turn it on, but really everyone in the NFC has played a couple of ugly games, so no one is really dominating. The Redskins played possibly the ugliest of all the games this past weekend, but they came up with a win. They have as good a shot to make the playoffs as most of the other teams in the NFC. With Shanahan I think they might have the inside track on the final wild card spot.

Posted by: akmzrazor | October 26, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins going to the playoffs this season?

Come ON MAN !!!!

Posted by: dc4life | October 26, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Redskins will go to playoff IF they can protect Mcnabb. Right now they cannot.

Posted by: yameenzusnet | October 26, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

We still have a tough road ahead of us. With 4 very close tough victories it's really hard to say we are a playoff team. Some believe that good teams find a way to win, well that may be true, but I think in at least two of our victories the other teams have just found a way to lose. There are alot of unanswered questions. 1. Is ATV the future RB of the Skins? 2. Will he tunr into a fumble monster? 3. Can McNabb get his head out of his a$$ and start throwing the ball better? 4. Will our D get better as the season goes on. The bottom line - too inconsistant in the first 7 games, and you can't tell who or what this team is.

Posted by: dwilcox2 | October 26, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Are the Redskins going to the playoffs....Love the crap the homer media stirs up with 10 games left in the season. It's still too early to be talking about playoffs!

Posted by: Davo61 | October 26, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I am really enjoying this season so far. The last few years have been tough. So far, we have more wins than losses! Sometimes we throw long! Sometimes we catch the long ball!! The team members seem happier, and more determined not to lay down. Big Al is playing like defensive lineman Charles Jefferson (Forest Whitaker's character) in Fast Times at Ridgemont High. We have a good turnover ratio. We have been lucky -- is it luck? -- to win more games that hung on a play or two, than we have lost. We could easily have two more losses.

I believe that the Redskins can get to nine wins, if their luck continues and they are healthy enough. I hope they will run the ball as much as they can. It is less predictable (although there plenty of different types of runs) which offensive coordinators hate, but if they can succeed at running they demoralize the other team. They tire out the defense by the end of the game, particularly with sweeps. The offensive linemen seem to prefer run-blocking. McNabb has been sacked and hurried a lot. Partly because of the O-line, partly because Torain is not as great a blocker as Clinton Portis. Not many RBs are. Running plays are Torain's strength, passing plays are his weakness. So run. We have fresh legs in Ryan Torain. Running eats up clock, which is good for the defense. McNabb has had some off-days, which is to be expected, moving to a new city, with a new coach, and new team, and a new playbook. Why not take some pressure off of him? Run the ball. If we can run successfully, then there will be times, like 2nd and 2, 3rd and 1, for play action calls. They will be more successful because the defense will be stacked in the box.

Especially consider running against the Giants. They have knocked five QBs out of games: Matt Moore, Jay Cutler, Todd Collins, Shaun Hill, and Tony Romo. They are 3rd in team sacks (one sack behind Tennessee and San Diego). Given our pass-blocking issues, try running. It also helps to keep Eli Manning off the field. They are in the top seven teams in passing yards, completions, and completion percentage. Per http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing

Hail to the Redskins.

Posted by: ACounter | October 26, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

We score only 10 points on offense with an average starting field position in the 1st half of our own 45, PLUS 6 takeaways... against a depleted Bears defense and you're talking PLAYOFFS???

PLAYOFFS?????

Posted by: Redskinrex | October 26, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the optimists win! (not that this poll has any effect on reality...)

Posted by: forgetthis | October 26, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Playoffs!? We're not talkin' 'bout the game, we're talkin' 'bout playoffs.

You people who think this loser organization will make the postseason are crazy. No wonder Comrade Snyder and his henchmen can gank you year after year for money.

Either the Giants or Eagles will win the division with the other getting the wildcard.

Posted by: playahatah | October 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I think it's reasonable to expect, as long as nobody gets roughed up too bad. The question is, how far would they get? That one is easy: From what we've seen, not too far.

Posted by: ravensfan20008 | October 26, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Re: Game Tonight

It's simple, folks. We want the 'Girls to lose. We always want the 'Girls to lose. Not that we have any love for Giants, but we always want 'Girls to lose.

Don't worry about the Giants' record. It'll be OK, b/c we still get to play them twice and prove between the lines who is the Beast of the East. We don't need or want any help from 'Girls.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:07 PM
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Spoken like a true 'Skins fan! (sniff, sniff) You make me proud. LOL.

Posted by: gitouttahere | October 26, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Re: Game Tonight

It's simple, folks. We want the 'Girls to lose. We always want the 'Girls to lose. Not that we have any love for Giants, but we always want 'Girls to lose.

Don't worry about the Giants' record. It'll be OK, b/c we still get to play them twice and prove between the lines who is the Beast of the East. We don't need or want any help from 'Girls.

Posted by: p1funk | October 25, 2010 12:07 PM
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Spoken like a true 'Skins fan! (sniff, sniff ... teardrop) You make me proud. LOL.

Posted by: gitouttahere | October 26, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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