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Portis and Moss

Hey there, here's what will probably end up being the top few paragraphs on tomorrow's story. The tendinitis is back in Portis's knee and though they believe it is minor this is the kind of thing you had to fear coming into the year; in a contact sport like this it's hard to get deep into the season without aggravating the problem:

The Redskins returned to practice after the bye week without offensive stars Clinton Portis (knee) and Santana Moss (groin), and continued their quest for more depth and production at the troublesome wide receiver position yesterday, signing veteran Keenan McCardell. Moss said he could miss Sunday's game but hopes to play, while Portis suffered a recurrence of the tendinitis in his right knee that sidelined him almost all of the offseason and preseason.

Gibbs said he does not "anticipate" being without Moss, and hopes to have Portis as well. The tailback aggravated the problem in Week 3 and even after receiving treatment and resting last week was held out of practice yesterday. "We'll just kind of see how that goes," Coach Joe Gibbs said. "That thing probably got a little bit sore from the game."

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 1, 2007; 6:57 PM ET
 
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See it's this kind of news I was trying to deny with my trash talking.

*sigh*

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or are the injuries piling up for us more this year than the past couple of years, especially this early in the season.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 1, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Darn, injuries are really starting to get annoying this year. This is not the kind of news I was hoping for coming off a bye week. The offense needs to be able to put up points on some of these teams in October who have explosive offenses but suspect defenses. The next three games all look tougher than they did at the beginning of the season.

Posted by: JD in the SD | October 1, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse

That damn indian curse that was placed on the Skins when they were beating up the Bills in the superbowl strikes again! With all the money Snyder has wasted, would it kill him to bring in some medicinemen from a couple of tribes to remove the hex? At this point that is a better investment than what we got out of the B-Loyd.

Posted by: L.ASkin | October 1, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Why wouldn't they focus more on the pressing need of the right side of the line? that seems to be where the injury bug has devistated us

Posted by: Lee | October 1, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Portis is at an age when if you have as many miles as he does(2 yrs at the U & 7 NFL)your knees are going to hurt. He has got to suck it up and play. Running backs only have so many years before things break down. Tiki was smart to get out. He was lightly used the first couple of years then they did the "Thunder and Lightning" experiment. So he really only became the feature back late in his career. Portis has been a workhorse from day one. He's got to gut it out and play. Anybody old enough to remember Larry Brown. He had tendonitis and played through it till the knees wore out.

Posted by: DMAN | October 1, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Repost from previous thread

SF

"Clodhoppers are heavy, leather broad-bottomed shoes worn by farm persons. The broad soles of the shoes permit the foot to span lumpy clods left from plowing and other cultivating. Hence, there was born the idea that the shoe enabled feet to hop over clods." from Wiki.

Thanks, I always enjoy your posts. I really chuckled at the "white flag".

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | October 1, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Capt Obvious here. They should rest CP on Sunday and let Betts carry the load. They should be featuring one of them anyway. This running back by committee just doesn't seem to be working.

Posted by: skinswest | October 1, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Last year we had most of our injuries on defense. This year seems to be the offense's turn.

Think positive...Think positive...Think positive.

***2005 Steelers***

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

They rested Portis all preseason and his knees are already acting up. What good is resting him during the week this is something that Portis has to live with or he has to go on IR. Go Mason!

Posted by: David | October 1, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

If Mark Bulger can play with 2 broken ribs then Portis can play with a little tendonitis. I think it will be fine. Look at Plaxico Burress for example. He goes all week without practicing and then comes out and plays well.

Think positive!

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Time for others to step up. All the best Redskin teams had players step up whenever key starters got hurt. Admittedly, those teams were deeper without having to worry about salary caps.

Still, I expect Betts, and Lloyd (yes, Lloyd) to step up. Lloyd can handle the #2 spot, since ARE is producing. These guys should be healthy, injury-free and ready ("champing at the bit", as Coach Joe used to say) to prove themselves.

Posted by: Alan | October 1, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd may be ready to play but is he too far in the doghouse to get a chance?

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - Don't just think Steelers, think Cats!!!!

We didn't make the finals (playoffs) last year, and even started the season 2-3, but won 19 of the last 20!!! To win it all!! Different sport I know, but it can be done!!

Posted by: kost52 | October 1, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that the college football analyst and announcers are better than the ones they use for the NFL?

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Kost - In 2005 no one expected the Steelers to go the SB. They started out 2-1 and had a bye week in week 4. They also had a first year starting QB. The only person that predicted them to go to the SB was ex-Redskin Joe Theismann. Coincedence? I say not. There's a higher power at work here.

Think positive!

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations though Kost! I'm happy for you that one of your favorite teams has won a title. Meanwhile my Mets have choked away everything in the last couple of weeks. Here's to the Skins and the Wizards to provide some relief.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - I agree, sometimes it's not the best team in the league who ends up winning it, sometimes an opponent will fall over through injury (C.Palmer) or choke (M.Vanderjagt). There's also officiating (Seahawks offensive pass interference). Anything can happen!

By the way, I don't think it's our offense which will be the issue this week, I think scoring on the Lions won't be too hard, the challenge will be to stop them scoring, sure they don't have too much of a run game, but they have a great passing team. Kitna isn't the greatest QB in the league, so Grilliams needs to put a ton of pressure on him to create the mistakes that Kitna is prone to making. Hopefully he makes those mistakes on the opposite side of the field to Mr.Rogers!

Posted by: kost52 | October 1, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm hopeful that with steady pressure on Kitna, a few hits from Area 51 and the ensuing alligator arms we can pull this out. The Eagles kept them from scoring too much and I don't think their D is better than ours.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:05 PM | Report abuse

There we go (portis); just keep him away
tell he is 100%

Posted by: Big baba | October 1, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

How can ESPN start talking about the Patriots going 16-0 when they're only 3-0 right now? I'm becoming more and more turned off towards this network every day. Emmitt and Meshawn don't help any either.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Emmit Smith is terrible. All time rushing king he is...analyst he ain't.

Posted by: sicwidit | October 1, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

How can ESPN start talking about the Patriots going 16-0 when they're only 3-0 right now?

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 08:11 PM

Just look at how they've played. They're going 19-0, not 16-0. Everything came together for this team, plus they can cheat and not pay a price for it.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

There we go (portis); just keep him away tell he is 100%

Posted by: Big baba | October 1, 2007 08:07 PM

Then he'd never play again. The dude's done.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Good thing he and Betts are interchangeable.

Posted by: Bryan | October 1, 2007 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Part of me wants the Pats to win so Cowgirls idiots don't come around thinking that they're better than them. The other part of me wants the Bengals to win so I can see how all of the Pats handjob giving analysts on ESPN and everywhere else react. Plus I like BBP, Ocho Cinco and Housamazilly (championship!).

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:19 PM | Report abuse

fish,

Bengals aren't stopping the Pats, or anyone else, this year.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The Pats have played the Jets, Chargers and Bills. None of which are exactly lighting up the league right now. There are tougher games coming up for them. I don't see 16-0 in store for them. Injuries are always a possibility as well. We shouldn't start talking about teams going 16-0 until at least halfway through the year.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

On this blog we're already talking about the 'Skins pick in the third round of the draft next year. And we can't speculate about 16-0?

Dude, if you can bet it in Vegas (and you can) you can discuss it on ESPN.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Nobody on ESPN picking the home dog, hmmm.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna look online to find out how to reverse a Native American curse. Will come back with a plan later. Until then, ONLY positive thoughts.

Posted by: 70 chip | October 1, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The idea of these Patriots going undefeated is ridiculous. You can quote me on that. I'm not saying it's tonight necessarily. I'm not saying it's the Boys either. But no chance.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,

Nobody outside of Cincinnati -- and only idiots inside Cincinnati (of which there may be many) -- is picking the home dog.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Nobody outside of Cincinnati -- and only idiots inside Cincinnati (of which there may be many) -- is picking the home dog.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 08:31 PM

I guess you can count me among the idiots outside of Cinci. I'm picking them just because I want them to win. Nobody thought the Browns would put up 50 some points and win against the Bengals either. Call me stupid...

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe it's the alcohol talking to me.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

There's an old adage, never bet against the home dog.

Never say never. But you don't want to try to make a living betting against home dogs.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I made a living betting against home dogs because my dogs are killas!

Posted by: Michael Vick | October 1, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Okay, fish, make that "nobody but idiots and dreamers." Or "gentlemen listening to alcohol." Good luck, but please don't bet too much money without getting, say 25 points.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Nobody outside of Cincinnati -- and only idiots inside Cincinnati (of which there may be many) -- is picking the home dog.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 08:31 PM

It is just that type of thinking as to why sportsbooks are in business. The majority were picking teams like Pittsburgh, Houston and San Diego yesterday. How did that work out?

Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been a betting man in a few years TE. Makes it easier to predict a winner when there's no money on the line.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

There's an old adage, never bet against the home dog.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 08:37 PM

Unless it's the Skins hosting the Giants. Or Detroit?

I have to say, I think Marvin Lewis has lost that team -- home or away.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

It is just that type of thinking as to why sportsbooks are in business.


Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 08:41 PM

No, cdubb, the reason sportsbooks are in business is because of point spreads.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I've been on fire lately, and I have the Pats -9 and the under 54. My luck has to run out.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Marvin Lewis is to defense what Norv Turner is to offense. Both ex-Skins personnel. Maybe we should bring back Norv as OC, Marvin as DC and Grimm as HC??

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Captain Obvious. I made my comment with the point spread in mind.

Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should bring back Norv as OC, Marvin as DC and Grimm as HC??

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 08:45 PM

Only one problem with that. Can you see either of those two guys returning Dan Snyder's phone call? Now, if Vinnie calls, maybe it would be different.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

OK, here's what I found:

A curse cannot harm us unless we allow it to by giving the negative energy some entry point, as through our beliefs, fear or guilt.
If the victim firmly believes that there is no such thing as a curse, or that they can't be cursed, the "curse" will fail.

So that's it. All we have to do is believe that the curse does not exist. Which should be easy to do because there IS NO CURSE!!
Everybody, do your part.

Posted by: 70 chip | October 1, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

lemar marshall out...prolly 4 season

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 1, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I made my comment with the point spread in mind.

Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 08:46 PM

Right. You expect us to believe that?

Posted by: captain obvious | October 1, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

CL,

What happened to him? I have the volume down, so I didn't hear what his injury was.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Only one problem with that. Can you see either of those two guys returning Dan Snyder's phone call? Now, if Vinnie calls, maybe it would be different.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 08:47 PM

LMGO! We'd have to get rid of Vinny and hire a GM before we called either of them.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

CL - They said for a few games didn't they? Not for the whole season.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Not really all that concerned if you believe me or not C.O. My point is that when the majority of the betting public is hammering one side of a game like the Pats tonight, it usually loses. Sign your name if you are gonna be an ass too.

Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Skins are early 3.5 faves against the Lions, so they will not be home dogs unless something really...I won't say it.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

You've got to be kidding me. Chad Johnson has his own channel on DirecTV. Ch. 115.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

My point is that when the majority of the betting public is hammering one side of a game like the Pats tonight, it usually loses.

Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 08:52 PM

So, cdubb, what are you saying here? The more a team is favored by, the more likely it is to lose? Man, you probably ought not to put your money where your mouth is or you'll be left with just a mouth.

Posted by: Captain Obvious | October 1, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Note to Dan Snyder;

If CJ ever becomes a FA remember this...Lloyd wanted to be a rapper, you funded him. Look where that got you. CJ wants to be an actor. Don't let it happen again.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Really, there are no stupid bets. If you take an overview of sports lines, they probably set them within 48% and 52%. Where they make their money is in people trying to parlay their money, throwing good money after bad. That's where the seedy and unfortunate side of gambling comes into play. Not just a few computer geeks throwing around a spare $15. Off of soapbox, wow it's strange up there.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

My Kool Aid is orange tonight...or is that Grand Marnier.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator,

Why do you call yourself that? Did you always want to be a scout? One thing you should definitely know is you got NO TALENT! You are a scrub!!!

Posted by: bethesdaboy | October 1, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

My Kool Aid is orange tonight...or is that Grand Marnier.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 09:01 PM

Fish,

You're living large with the Kool Marnier! Most of us are sucking on beers and you got this fancy French stuff? We're all headed to your place.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I think he calls himself that because it's funny.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

TE - I would love nothing more than to do a big RI get together at my place. Problem is that none of you are even within driving distance and most of you are a 3 hour plane trip away.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

lewmar was an achileas heal...usually a season ender but i could be wrong

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 1, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I think he calls himself that because it's funny.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 09:05 PM

It's what Jasno calls me when he quotes me in his columns. "A talent evaluator said..." If he used my real name, I'd have to stop feeding him quotes. If I used my real name here, well I think too many people would be intimidated. The blog would die.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Poor Catfish. I hope he gets better soon.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 9:10 PM | Report abuse

If I used my real name here, well I think too many people would be intimidated. The blog would die.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 09:09 PM

TE is John Holmes???

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

fish,

Okay, that's a problem. Could you just post your Visa card number and we'll go buy ourselves some fancy French stuff and pretend we're at your house?

Thanks, in advance, for your generosity.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Which is funny. I lost the address to the wiki, but talent evaluator, you did have previous names up here right?

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

TE is John Holmes???

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 09:12 PM

Could you tell that to my wife? She hasn't actually seen JH, but she has seen me and I'm having a hard time (so to speak) convincing her that I'm the big dog.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Here you go SMACK.

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/

TE - No can do with the Visa. Plus I'd have to send you some 90 degree weather to go along with it.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Out at the one why does this take 10 minutes.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:16 PM | Report abuse

TE - There are so many good comments I could make but due to the good nature of the blog I won't go there.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

What's up w/ old Junior Seau playing fullback? LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

cL, when you said Lemar was "an Achilles heel," were you speaking literally or figuratively or both?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 1, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator is the artist formerly known as KK, right? we used to hate KK, but we love talent evaluator. turned over a new leaf! It's about time for me to get a new name! new names all around!

"Orange Kool-Aid? Orange Kool-Aid?" [to waiter] "Three orange Kool-Aids!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 1, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Out at the one why does this take 10 minutes.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 09:16 PM

The Pats have to doctor the HD feed. That takes time, even when you parallelize the image processing tasks

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFan | October 1, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I love to see Brady get hit. They never get him quite good enough, though.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Brady is good, but he is at least 23% right place at right time.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Housamazilly - Championship!

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

kenny watson gives me spurrier flash backs

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 1, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I love to see Brady get hit. They never get him quite good enough, though.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 09:28 PM

JustMe--

I'm wondering what would be good enough for you?

1. Goes off the field without help and misses a play?
2. Goes off the field on the cart and misses the rest of the game?
3. Injured reserve?
4. Career ending Lavar-type concussion?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The Bengals may need to acquire Priest Holmes at linebacker.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

don't know if anyone's watching. but cincy is down to 2 healthy linebackers and new england is running it down their throats

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Repost with some additions:

Some trash talking is in order just for shti and giggles.

First of all we are so going to beat Detroit! Why? Because I said so. Yeah that's right I SAID so go ahead pull apart my argument and rationale I double dog dare ya!

Second - you know what Cowpaddies go ahead, get big heads. Big giant puffy heads. You know what those heads are gonna look likecome November 18th? The muthaeffin Hindenburg!! Yeah that's right I'm makin' an historical reference in my trash talkin! You know why cause I'm supersmart cause I'm a Skins fan unlike you straw chompin', big hair sportin', giant ugly belt buckle wearin', worst president ever producin', smoggiest city in country livin', clodhoppers!!

You beat the 0-4 Rams. Ooooh wow you're sooooo good and big!! Oh and the Bears you beat them too? Wow now I'm really scared! Eeek!

You know what until you face the Pats you got zero cred! Z-E-R-O. Why? Like I said cause I said so!

Speaking of the Pats - hey sports commentators you know how I know that Bellichek isn't the second coming? Cause you're still here rather than burning in the fires of hell for being such brown nosing suck ups!
We're gonna beat the Pats. Yeah that's right we sure are, everyone has to lose and we're gonna make that happen. You should all know why by now, everyone say it together: "Cause I SAID so!"

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

just me, :( you don't like brady? how can you not like brady? other than the fact that he's a fellow republican...

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's Ladel's chance to prove what he can do with more carries. Let's see if he can back up his words.

Posted by: M | October 1, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Just good enough for him to look a little dazed and confused. There's a smugness about him I really can't stand. I don't wish injuries on anyone. I'd just like to see him visibly shaken once.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mark thanks for the clodhopper explanation. It's a perfect fit in me trash talkin'.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

wow! randy moss is good! wow!

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

I can't bear that dude. I probably feel the same way about him as you do about BBM.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, i may have missed my window to buy a plane ticket for this weekend. i'm checking again around midnight...we shall see.

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

HAHA no chance that was the real sfskin. That was a mess.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh who'd thunk that the NE@Dallas game would be the game of the season? Or at least early part of the season.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

just me, fair enough. i used to hate the patsies...especially after their first SB...but then they started beating the colts as the underdogs....he's the anti-bbm. in every way.

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Smack - it really is me. Apparently my trash talkin' is kinda lame . . . : )

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

um, dum dee dee

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Just good enough for him to look a little dazed and confused. There's a smugness about him I really can't stand. I don't wish injuries on anyone. I'd just like to see him visibly shaken once.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 09:49 PM

Well, he is facing Reaper this year. And, Landry may have it down by then, too. Either could leave him dazed and confused.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

dealer - asked around about places in Sacto and struck out. However, try Yelp.com they can have pretty decent reviews of stuff so maybe you'll luck out there.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

No sfskin, that's pretty good then because you had me fooled.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Do you guys think everyone else has FINALLY figured out the truth about Norville?

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 10:00 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

That Moss catch reminds me of the TD Lloyd caught in week... err. never mind. 0 TD's, 300 yards in 19 games. AWESOME

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 1, 2007 10:03 PM | Report abuse

TE,

That's what I'm hoping for.

This is the first NE game I've seen this season. I'm decidedly underwhelmed at this point in the game. They are handling the Bengals, but the Bengals have no D. You know your linebacker corps is complete garbage when you have to play Dhani Jones. Ugh...

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Smack - truth is I was trying to be funny and lame and trash talkin' to help chase away the negative nelly spirits in the blog.
You know rekindle the spirit of Boofer - never thought I'd miss his RANTS AND RAVES.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm just gonna throw this out there... please don't give me a lot of flack.

Should we even make the trip to NE? I think a 45-10 whipping would be bad for the psyche... just take the loss and move on to the Jets at hopefully 4-3.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 1, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

This whole thing makes me sad in my pants.

Posted by: Skinz | October 1, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Here is my suggestion. The Danny negotiates a new stadium in DC on the site of RFK. Invites Native Americans in to consecrate the ground and open the new stadium with new team name.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

RB - The Girlz beat the undefeated Colts last year and we beat the Saints. You never know what can happen. Make that trip.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

That'll be just about enough out of Mr. Moss.

In fantasy play, He Nate Me's lead over 4th Floor's team has dwindled to twelve meager points, with Moss 4th Floor's only remaining hope.

I can't bear to see how it turns out... in any event, I'm heading to a Black Francis show tonight and will have to see how it turns out when I get home.

Cheers.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 1, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I missed the joke, I apologize. Please can I have another. Actually at work I get to watch that Hindenburg footage at least twice a month. It's amazing.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

You miss Boofer? I miss Skippy. That guy has a nice act. Very tightly controlled, reliably consistent, and unpredictable.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Up 17-7 in the 3rd. 4th and a foot left on the 6 yrd line. Who thinks Gibbs would have went for that?

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks Gibbs would have went for that?

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 10:30 PM

Only if Cincy called a time out to freeze the kicker and give Gibbs enough time to think it through. Like, he's never been there before.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 1, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

When do the patsies play somebody with a defense? I'll have to take a look at the schedule.

Posted by: JustMe | October 1, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or are the injuries piling up for us more this year than the past couple of years, especially this early in the season.

Posted by: RockyTopSkin | October 1, 2007 07:06 PM
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I think every player should be encased in bubble wrap except for the hands and cleats. Imagine the sounds when a player is hit!

Posted by: Not Anonymous | October 1, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Think positive...Think positive.

2005 Steelers, Geelong Cats, etc.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Smack - what do you do that the Hindenberg comes up twice a month?
Yeah sometimes my attempts at humor are too clever by half.

Nice to see the Bengals are still trying.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I am a researcher and an archivist. And as if that weren't enough, the chicks really dig my Camry!

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Are we seriously still commentating on the Pats videotaping incident?

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I think every player should be encased in bubble wrap except for the hands and cleats. Imagine the sounds when a player is hit!

Posted by: Not Anonymous | October 1, 2007 10:33 PM

Can you imagine the cacophony in the huddle? "Jason! Clinton's popping my bubbles!"

Posted by: cload and daggar | October 1, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Smack don't doubt it, you are hot action!

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Zebra...calling Zebra. I'm throwing the challenge flag on sfskin for calling a Girls fan "hot action".

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Smack don't doubt it, you are hot action!

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 11:01 PM

Don't forget I live alone and have two cats.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

fish - you are right! I lost my head. It's the Camry.

Posted by: sfskin | October 1, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, it's alright, the jokes on me. Except for you actually living in Big D, of course.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 11:12 PM | Report abuse

I could see how the Camry would have that effect on you. Especially with the fuel prices these days.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Now that is how you run an offense with a lead....

I hope Gibby is taking notes, but my guess is that he's been sleeping for about 5 hours now.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 1, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

SMACK - The Boyz fans down here are a lot easier to deal with than the moron boyz fans in the DC area. Present company excluded.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:19 PM | Report abuse

just an observation...maybe i'm tainted but is bellichoke the only defensive coach that watches his offense as closely as he does when it(the offense) is on the field.

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Just woke up from my nap. What in the world is that NE coach UP THERE doing? You are supposed to run-run-pass-punt in these situations to keep it close...

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 1, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

and it seems like he actually has some input in the play calling...unlike that idiot mike nolan who just dresses the part and just barks wimpily and grabs the players...as they're coming off the field

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

If we're playing in this game, it's 27-20 and Cincy is about to get the ball back again.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 1, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

LOL@ricky and JG....that's exactly what i was thinking!

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:25 PM | Report abuse

dealer,

it's so true.. and so freaking depressing.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 1, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

From Jason Whitlock about Norville:

Exactly what is Norv Turner's claim to fame beyond calling plays for the most talented offensive group ever assembled?

Seriously, it's not all that difficult to call plays for Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, Alvin Harper, Larry Allen, Nate Newton, Erik Williams and Co., especially on the rare weekends when Irvin and Newton were both relatively sober.

Unless Turner orchestrated the Herschel Walker trade, let's quit giving Norv credit for the Dallas dynasty.

>I wholeheartedly concur.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 1, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Grand Marnier is all gone about now. So much for that.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, I must admit, Redskins fans are top shelf fans, wherever you go, all across the maps, flat as they are or such as round.

Posted by: SMACK | October 1, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

That's why we drink the Kool Aid and not the Flavor Aid:-)

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

thanks sfskin!

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Good call bigfish...

I keep a bottle of that stuff for long bye weeks and bad losses. I need to head to the ABC store pretty soon here.

CL- did you really call me a loser last night? I thought we all were up here... way to single me out in sea of losers.

Posted by: Dorf | October 1, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Hasta manana fellow bloggers.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

you guys think vinny called to inquire about randy moss?

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:37 PM | Report abuse

taint

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

"Good call bigfish...

I keep a bottle of that stuff for long bye weeks and bad losses. I need to head to the ABC store pretty soon here."

No need to Dorf. We don't have anymore bye weeks.

Posted by: bigfish | October 1, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

My resources are depleted after a bad loss and a bye week put together.

Me love orange fire water.

Posted by: Dorf | October 1, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Ok after watching games this week with teh Skins off...It was just depressing because what I found is the Skins have no chance whatsoever to win a tiltle or ti even be close....I'm sorry but with teams like the Pats out there ..forget it.....And for the love of God the Cowboys are really pissing me off!

I want so much for this team to do well but with the talent on this team and St Joe at the helm...It just does not make any sense as to why the team plays so badly on offense...I just do not think they will do much and I fear that if Gibbs can't fix this team...nobody can...and where do we go from there?

Posted by: Leevi | October 1, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Leaving out the houston win last year and the Giants shootout loss, when was the last time the Skins scored 27 or more points?

Seems like it was against San Fran at home in 05??

Posted by: DTC | October 1, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

btw, i know some peeps up here are gonna say "you can't have it both ways" re: "keeping their own" and us complaining about resigning of betts (and not trading him) and complaining when they let go of AP.

to that i say: i'm a fan. if i knew how to judge talent i wouldn't be driving a cab. i really think they should trade betts. he was running behind john jansen, derrick dockery, and randy thomas last year threw the holes as wide as semis. and now all he can do is make excuses about his playing time.

portis is averaging 2 yards better on a bumm knee with the same makeshift line. would've loved to have seen portis behind last year's line. ohh well...

just keep on squeazing 1 or 2 point wins until everyone gets healthy. and peak at the right time.

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:50 PM | Report abuse

still think marvin lewis is better than spurrier as a head coach? :))))))))

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

cuz he just threw everyone(players) but himself under the bus after a bad loss.

Posted by: dealer | October 1, 2007 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, I'm starting to think the 'skins need to start Betts and bring in Portis for 10 to 20 plays. Let Ladell get a rhythm and then let Portis go POW for the big yards.

As far as Lewis, what has he done on D without Ray Ray or Lavar? As been decent as a head coach except when there is a consensus lack of character on a team it can bite you back on the backside. Gotta wonder if his own throwing under the bus stuff shows what his character is.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I know Bulger is playing with rib issues but I can't remember seeing so many 'pretty' spirals sailing so slowly. Even Brunel makes shows more zip on his passes.

May the Cowboys never lose another regular season game only to never win another playoff game.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The Book of Jason

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The Dream of the Three Archers

========================

Now after this bitter defeat Joseph shut the doors of the temple,
and sent his warriors into the countryside to expiate the sin,
and cleanse their spirits.

No smoking sacrifice now, and no revelry--
just bitter anguish and, the certain maggots of defeat,
the backbiters. These, happy in unhappiness,
eager to lament,
doffed light thoughts and donned stern guises,
gravely retelling their own fancied warnings.

In the market, around the table,
chair-bound generals devised new schemes,
assailed the warriors,
and doubted old Joseph himself.
Did he not forget his very warnings about the terrible giants?
Did he not, halting the attack, snatch defeat from assuréd victory?
Did not he himself lose the path, that every child could plainly see?
Thus spoke many.

Nor did Jason escape defeat's venom.
Many measured his arm,
assayed his skill,
sounded his heart,
and judged him wanting.

So Jason wandered the countryside,
bearing the burden of the city's doubts,
seeking solace in solitude.

In the lonely bluffs above the Patawomeke,
High on a dry and dusty ledge,
He spied a crevice nearly hidden in the setting sun,
a narrow gap in solid rock.
He climbed upwards, and found it led
into a small cavern,
with signs of ancient magic.

Inside, midst shards of burgundy and gold,
lay three old bows of yew and horn,
and three arrows of fire-hardened oak.
Upon the walls were runes,
fashioned in the old style,
and ancient battle scenes of red-smeared warriors,
the old hero-archers of the city.

For this place, long deserted, was the cave of songs,
a history of battles painted on the living rock.

Wondering that he had been led here,
Jason sat, regarding the scenes.
Alone, in the still air and the creeping dusk,
he fell into a reverie, and dreamt.

He dreamt he was in a snowstorm, bitter cold,
with furious wind howling round him.
But yet not cold, for before him stood a spirit,
enveloping him in warmth:

"Jason," said the spirit, "I am that Samuel,
called by some the father of archers,
the arrow-slinger and the iron-footed one.
In sixteen long years of campaigns
I fought countless battles,
winning many, but also losing many.
I can tell you of a terrible day
when wild bears from the great lake,
our fiercest enemies through those years,
overwhelmed our city's warriors,
routing us in the mother of all defeats.
Yet we fought those very bears in other battles,
and were not dismayed.

"Indeed, in the green days of my youth,
younger even than you now,
I slew the bears in swirling snow,
with that bow before you.
Behold the scene, painted on the walls,
whose glory never dims.
Know that I have supped on both defeat
and precious victory, and grown withal."

Then the wind whipped up the snow,
and hid Samuel from view,
and when it cleared Jason saw a second spirit,
with ruddy face and merry grin.

"Hail, Jason, young archer.
I have seen you launch your arrows in the air,
almost as high as mine did soar.
Sonny, I am called, a name familiar in its love,
and a truer son the city never had.

"My years were hard-fought: lean campaigns
of great yearning but scant fame.
Yet all my days I proudly bore
the archer's badge
and the city's love.
Defeat could not bow me.
Adversity could not bend my will,
nor break my constant heart.

"This then is my charge to you:
Glory comes in many guises;
the warrior's virtue rests upon
an adamantine rock,
perseverance."

Again the wind arose, obscuring sight,
and when the air was clear a third shade stood forth,
with skin as black as night, and eyes as bright as stars.

"Lo, young one," cried the spirit,
"Before you stands Douglas,
Who came from under southern skies
to serve Decie.
My term, cut short by time the tyrant,
was not as long as some.
I can speak of suffering,
and I can teach you bitterness
tasted in the lonely night,
and the piercing hatreds
of foolish minds.

"But o my brother archer,
while not forgetting, yet set these tribulations aside.

"I sing instead of one immortal day,
a cloudburst of sudden victory,
when my arrows rained upon
a shimmering green turf,
tranquil in its beauty.
That day I touched divinity,
hurling thunderbolts against the fleet and furious stallions,
to bring everlasting honor to the city.

"The mountain of fame is steep,
and few who seek to climb it reach the top.
No secret have I, but one plain lesson:
Bear your burden, and rejoice!"

Now the wind began again to blow,
and the third spirit vanished from view.

Jason woke, and stood upon his feet in the moonlit cavern.
Gazing at the painted scenes as if to fix them in his memory,
he stooped to take a handful of old earth,
and went down from the cave.

That night he walked back to the city
beneath the shining stars.

Posted by: farstriker | October 2, 2007 12:09 AM | Report abuse

*SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER SOCCER*


Bangkokben, is that you, Cashew Chicken?

Posted by: SMACK | October 2, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

The entire Book of Jason, as found so far, is preserved at the RI wiki:

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/Farstriker%27s+Ballad+of+Jason

Posted by: farstriker | October 2, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Farstriker, Epic!

SMACK, Cashew Chicken is me. I can't believe I beat Nate. I was sure I was toast when Portsmouth put the SMACK on Reading. Cinderella still dances. I would talk trash, but rarely works for me.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, bangkokben. It's starting to pile up some length, at least.

Posted by: farstriker | October 2, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Much has been made about the 'skins lack of finding a starting QB over the years, but this from Gil Brandt of nfl.com

"In their loss to Detroit, the Bears made their 31st starting quarterback change since the eighth game of the 1999 season."

Miraculously, they made ths Super Bowl last year - despite the qb play.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Portis hurt again?! Dang ... I have a feeling in about 3 months we will regret having kept him this season and not having traded him when he still had value. You know, for an offensive lineman when we were trying to replace Dock ... I'm not hatin, just speculatin ...

I hope Betts get 20-25 carries this week. For crissakes, let one of them get into a groove (you know, the heathly one)

Posted by: Paps in Manila | October 2, 2007 2:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't think tendinitis has killed too many carriers in the NFL. CP shoulder will probably be the thing that ends is days in the NFL. I hope that will not be for 3-4 years.

Betts also gets hurt think back to the past (not the 80s).

This is why we have both of them. Splitting carries might be hurting Betts but CP is doing fine. With 2 OL guys out and 3 games in one where the skins ran well it is too early to end the experiment.

Posted by: M&M | October 2, 2007 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Best in the NFC

Dallas
Giants
Redskins
GB
TB (Maybe too many Boo-bos)

No particular order.

Dallas does not have a running game thank god.

Posted by: M&M | October 2, 2007 3:55 AM | Report abuse

I'd put the Seahawks in there too.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | October 2, 2007 4:15 AM | Report abuse

Hmmm - looks like the thing to do is to use Betts full time (so he can get into his groove) and Portis in minor relief until he gets fully better.

Posted by: charlie | October 2, 2007 5:57 AM | Report abuse

My point is that when the majority of the betting public is hammering one side of a game like the Pats tonight, it usually loses.

Posted by: cdubb | October 1, 2007 08:52 PM

I guess this is one of those rare exceptions where the favored team manages to squeek out a victory?

There will be 12 more regular season Pat games this year where the "the majority of the betting public is hammering one side." Do you think that the Patriots will drop all 12 of them or can the pull a few more out of the fire?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 2, 2007 6:26 AM | Report abuse

Portis is hurt??
Wat a Surprise and you IDIOTS were talking about tradeing him yesterday!

Posted by: ONCE AGAIN i CAN SAY i told you so!! | October 2, 2007 6:48 AM | Report abuse

M&M
Dallas doesnt have a running game Thank god

Dallas is #1 in NFC & #3 in NFL in that paticular order you FUC**NG IDIOT! You must not be paying attention to that 2 headed monster of Julius Jones & Marion the BARBARION running attack!!You FA*S saying how bad you think the boys will not ease your pain!! HAHAHAhehehe

Posted by: SB baby! ROMOMANIA | October 2, 2007 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Cowboys score over 30 a game and REDSKINETTES cant score 20!Hmm

Posted by: REALITY baby NOODLE SOUP SUCKS!! ROMO is a GOD | October 2, 2007 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, farstriker;

mad props for you work.

if, and this is a big IF.... we win a SB this year... farstrikers ballad will have to go down in skins lore.

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 7:05 AM | Report abuse

HOW BOUT DEM COWBOYS ladies! HAHAHAhehehe

Posted by: #1 LADIES | October 2, 2007 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Hey troll, boofer, whoever... you never responded to me yesterday... 3 threads ago?

I think this is the third time I have broke you up and you have not owned it...keep talking trash and running away. shows that you are a true man (or a woman, no sexism here).

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 7:07 AM | Report abuse

McCardell signed; Redskins Notes
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John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Oct 1, 2007

Washington signed receiver Keenan McCardell, hoping to bolster a receiving corps in need of help thanks to receiver Santana Moss' groin injury.

Moss did not practice Monday and said he's uncertain what he'll be able to do the rest of the week. His uncertainty is part of the reason Washington signed McCardell, a 12th-round draft choice of the Redskins in 1991 who has never caught a pass for them.

McCardell ranks ninth all-time with 861 receptions for 11,117 yards and 62 touchdowns. He caught 36 passes for 437 yards in San Diego last season. Washington wanted to sign him before training camp, but McCardell opted to sign with Houston. The Texans cut him during camp.

McCardell gives the Redskins a solid route-runner who is familiar with this offense. To get a little more up to speed Monday, McCardell stayed after practice to run routes with Antwaan Randle El, James Thrash and Reche Caldwell and quarterback Jason Campbell. Notable for his absence in that post-practice session: receiver Brandon Lloyd.

...Lloyd told reporters today that it's hard for him to sit on the sidelines because, well, he was brought here to make plays.

To which playcaller Al Saunders said, ''We brought him here to catch balls and make plays.'' Translation: he's doing neither.

Posted by: 4th via scout.com | October 2, 2007 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Hit up a bar on the way home after work yesterday for 2 drinks;

guys in there (this is in PA) were talking skins. One guy was a lifelong fan.

the other was a rep for Budweiser (he got those bud signs in RFK back in the 80's) who was personal friends of Donnie Warren and Russ Grimm. Knew Riggo well, Joey T as well. Met gibbs numerous times as well as the old coaching staff.

Said he thought Russ would leave AZ for the skins if it was for head coaching. Otherwise he loves Arizona.

This guy was there when Riggo ran out onto the field in his full uni after he was retired (cant remember what that was for)... great storys of drinking with Riggo and Grimm... fun times for a PA bar.

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Zebra!

You're the hero of the blog in today's print edition. Usually they quote Talent Evaluator or NFL Executive, but today it's the Zebra.

Right there on page 2 of the sports section, they picked up your bit yesterday about "I think Betts is done being a 'compliment' back. He is a back-up and a good one. When he gets the reps, he gets on a roll."

Okay, Post. If you're not going to quote the Talent Evaluator, who better than Zebra?

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 2, 2007 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I guess JLa is still reading the blog ;)

nice KK, i mean TE

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Back from a much needed vacation--not even going to attempt reading the blogs for the past 10 days. Did I miss any major blog happenings (disappearances, reappearacnes . .)? With the signing of McCardell, are we one step closer to unloading blloyd?

Posted by: NC ICU RN | October 2, 2007 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Question,if a player is claimed off of a practice squad by another team,does he have to go,or can he choose to stay with the original team's practice squad?

Posted by: dawglbs | October 2, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Dawglbs,

The player doesn't have to go but the usually will unless the team makes it worth the player's while.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Also I hereby nominate a new term to the RI blog:AWOH,which means "A$$-whippings on the horizon".For example:As much as I hate to say it,I count 4 AWOH,s in the next 2 months.

Posted by: dawglbs | October 2, 2007 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Why? How many AWs have the 'skins had this year?

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

What I find so discouraging about the McCurdle signing is that we go from a young guy (Bodiford) to an old guy. Bodiford's now playing for Green Bay. Gibbs just seems to avoid anything that will make the offense younger.

After watching Arizona, Green Bay, Dallas, Pittsburgh this Sunday I feel like they have a bunch of exciting players whose best days are ahead of them. Our offense, aside from ARE, Campbell, and Cooley, played their best football a few years ago or in the last century. I'm feeling very discouraged.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 2, 2007 8:31 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I see the potential to be discouraged. The next two weeks will say a lot about this team and especially whether the offense can overcome the injury bug (RT, RG, #1 RB, and #1WR).

Posted by: bangkokben | October 2, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

All we need now is to sign Tim Dwight...

what's he up to these days? Get on in Vinny.

Posted by: Dorf | October 2, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

TE;

Moss? I think the switch to campbell has affected him since he used to catch those dinks and dunks and take them to the house. but he is still among the best at adjusting to the long ball and making the catch. i want to see him have a long one for a td. Campbell has overthrow him twice where that would be the case.

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Zebra: That PA bar story rulz....I KNOW Grimm is the next HC...its the only way......


Dont everyone get their panties in a bunch over Keenan....we NEED dude who can bail out JC on third down and run routes well.....vet WR can be a huge crutch for young QBs...and you know he isnt fast so aint gonna be streakin the field and trying to be all that...he is gonna do 10 yard curls, know where the first down marker is and be a HUGE improvement over James "Charity Case" Thrash.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I hear you BK,but I'm more realistic than optimistic,and I dont feel good about Green Bay,Arizona,NE,or Dallas.

Posted by: dawglbs | October 2, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I ain't no pollyanna but stop playing schedule bingo....play the game in front of us and take it a week a clip. I think the Skins have proved there gonna make every game a nail biter...against good and bad teams...thats usually a sign of a mediocre team and/or a team on the (slow) rise to semi-decency.

Its beyond pointless to be predicting games 4 weeks from now...the NFL landscape changes weekly (daily?) with injuries and a host of other factors....

Teams get to the playoffs (outside of the doms like Pats/colts) by fighting every week realizing every win is prescious (sorry Perci with your week one means nothing...that was moronic...ask the Mets if they had picked up 1 more win in May...and thats 150+ game season!)and being in position to be in the mix with 4 games to go.....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,

I don't know what's up with Moss anymore. He's dropped too many balls. Not a good sign.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 2, 2007 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Keenan's best days are behind him. Unfortunately, that seems to be the trend of the 'Skins since Richie Rich took over. Coaches with their best days behind them acquiring players with their best days behind them trying to teach young players, with very few quality players in between. We all know CP isn't going to last a whole lot longer; that position simply takes too much of a beating. Betts shows no sign of stepping up after he got his contract. Let's face it: a quality back with two chances at the one would have found a way with the game on the line to deliver. Case closed. It promises to be another long, cold season.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | October 2, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

CL what good teams have we played to lead you to that conclusion?

Posted by: dawglbs | October 2, 2007 9:02 AM | Report abuse

With the skins as constructed now and the league as it is concieved I am happy you be in the playoff conversation in the last quarter of the season...How bad does it suck to be out with 4/5 games to play when basically most of the NFC is still alive??? I will be happy having a punchers chance in december...that means exciting, fun, engaging season...and after the 15 years of ridiculousness I will take that. That is why 05 was so magical...b/c we were at least IN THE CONVERSATION...as oppossed to playing for pride...which is what defined the Norv years....


Am I skeptical of snyder skins, of course, but I love FB and the skins and I get wrapped up in it all to have F-U-N, its like heroin during game..."gotta see the next play, snap the ball, this play is the high I am looking for" sometimes you see god, sometimes you puke your guts out...


Ok approaching tangents...stopping now...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Yo daw...whatever...

Your being drawn into a suckers game of making projections that are meaningless....do you even watch the league? There are the Pats/Colts and gulp...maybe the cowboys that seem signifigantly above the mix...the rest have to scrap every week....who knows what the situations will be week 8, 12 etc...there are not even any obvious horrendous teams...

You act like the national media who react constantly making sweeping generallaties about the league...

"If you wanna crown'em, crown'em"

You play the team in front of you and start knowing you can have shot...its how the league is constructed... and you see it every week....


As BAD as we were last season, we could have been in the mix with 1, 2 more early victories....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

O.K.,I see your point,I can't argue with your logic of at least being in the hunt.There are at least 4 other teams that I would hate to be right now.(S.D.,Chicago,Philly,New Orleans.)

Posted by: dawglbs | October 2, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Montana,

You're on the right track, but I can't go as far as you do with the bashing. In fact, the defense has gotten much younger -- the problem is the offense where Gibbs is running things despite hiring Saunders.

As for Betts, the guy has had 30 carries in three games. What do you expect him to have done? What running back is going to show you something with 10 carries?

As for getting the ball into the end zone on those two misbegotten plays, maybe you haven't seen as many replays as I have, but I'd like you to name a single back who could have got the ball in without any blocking and the Giants' penetration. It's a team game, not olympic diving, and that was a team failure. Todd Yoder's still out there at Fed Ex Field in his stance waiting for the snap.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 2, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

dawglbs,

Yeah those 4 teams are in free fall, but who knows in 6 weeks...Last year Philly had similar issues as well...and you could still make an arguement they all have more talent then skins...

I am with you in being nervous...my only point is that looking ahead is wasted energy. The following sunday is the only thing that matters, and that the league will look drastically different in a month in half...

Ok...I have had way to much coffe this AM...shutting up...havent blogged in a few days and its spewing out...apologies to all...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Love this line:

"It's a team game, not olympic diving"

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

TE;

not to rehash old arguements, but when i saw the tape, CP had the same play in the first half. He ran the play 5 yards hortizontal to the line of scrimmage to get around the end, and then cut it up and into the endzone.

Betts did a 45 degree thing, 'flattening' the run where the pentration affected him because his blocker tripped him.

I remeber earnest byner running that same play. he was great at precise running plays.

I truly feel CP would have ran it the same way he did in the first half, the right way, which is to cut down the line and then up, not diagonally as Betts did.

Sure Sellars did not blow up his guy, but he occupied him and got him on the ground. Running Backs need to have 'a nose for the endzone', get around that type of issue at his feet (running 'high'), which CP obviously has and betts doesnt.

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Janso,

Does Joe Gibbs watch other football games? More importantly, does he catch other coaches' press conferences?

This "well, it's going to come down to the last play" talk, week-in and week-out, is becoming excessive and flat out ridiculous. Yes, I understand that he doesn't want the players to think that any game will be a blow-out, but why does he have to say this every DAG-GUM week?

I honestly think he gets this in his head and he shuts down with the lead. For those of you who want proof, please go back to Janso's 2nd half lead stats he posted last week.

Watching the Pats last night was a thing of beauty. They didn't back off. They didn't run-run-screen pass-punt. They drove the nail in the coffin, which is what we have failed to do 11 times in 3+ years, an NFL high. He has also done this in numerous game we've won, literally allowing the game to come down to the final play when it simply didn't have to.

Yes, I know we're 2-1, but to compete with the Dallas', GB's, and NE's of the world, we cannot continue this approach. It has gotten us a losing record since his return, and cost us numerous games. At 2-1, I still have hope for a great season, but this must change in order for us to get there.

The sad part is that I just don't think Gibbs has it in him to change.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 2, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Anyone know why we don't run more 2-tight end sets to get Cooley off blocking duty and back onto catching balls for TDs? That story this morning is depressing.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

some around town are beginning to call him "max protect Gibbs".

P.S. when Trash is in the game, the Skins run the ball 90% of the time.

we are so predictable and conservative it makes me sick. it's amazing to me that Gibbs actually takes the .0000000001% chance of crashing on an airplane.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Can you please stop hiring high priced coaches and players and offer Scott Peoli 100000000000000000000000000000000000 dollars Danny Boy!!!!

Posted by: Skinz | October 2, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

** Fantasy Post **

Gotta start Romo now. Rivers aint cutting it.

Shoot me

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

F ChRis lARry!

... in a good way.

Posted by: Dik | October 2, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Asked for a comment on playing the Sisters of the Blind next week, Gibbs said, "well up here, it's gonna be a dogfight every week. Those blind ladies, well they might not be able to see UP HERE, but they are tough football team. This one is going to come down to the last play.

I'd also like to say a quick thanks to the fans... What's that??? Oh it's fake crowd noise... I didn't dag-gum know that".

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 2, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

The Lions will NOT be easy. Though I do predict a win.

And lay off Gibbs, jackholes, he only has one loss.

I have no problem with the observations, but the sarcastic pejorative conclusions are sophmoric.

Posted by: Dik | October 2, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

"F ChRis lARry!

... in a good way."

Thats what she said....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I dont get why we are so conservative on offense when it comes down to it, we try a few deep passes (maybe 3-4) a game and we still havent scored over 20 points yet, its time to let Al run the offense this was suppose to be the year his offense took off but Gibbs isnt letting him call the plays to let it loose.

Posted by: SAK | October 2, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Skinz,

I could agree with you more, but:

A. Scott Pioli isn't that dumb. He probably wouldn't even come here for 1 zillion dollars because the contract would be back-loaded and he knows he'd be fired within a year because he's not in the "circle of trust (and failure)"

B. Snyder would never do it because he is simply too stubborn to realize that his way doesn't work.

Period, end of discussion. Joe Gibbs will be appointed the GM (with no term dates) after he wants to stop coaching, and Snyder will soon join forces with Joe Gibbs racing to form the Washington Nascar Redskins sponsored by Home Depot and of course POPEYEEES! There will be a Skins helmet in one corner of the endzone and a racing car in the other. Oh, and we'll continue losing.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 2, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

RB

our blowing leads has a lot more to with two things we don't do well on defense, 1 sack the QB and 2 create turnovers..... combine that with a below average scoring offense and you are going to lose a bunch of games that you had a lead going in at the half /3rd qtr whatever....CL is right its about staying in the hunt the whole season....can't really predict to far out... you can play yourself out of it early, but if you stay around 500 it makes an interesting december.....at this point with a young QB thats all I really expect/want....

Posted by: Old School | October 2, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Am I skeptical of snyder skins, of course, but I love FB and the skins and I get wrapped up in it all to have F-U-N, its like heroin during game..."gotta see the next play, snap the ball, this play is the high I am looking for" sometimes you see god, sometimes you puke your guts out...


Ok approaching tangents...stopping now...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 09:03 AM
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"its like HEROIN during game...""

I agree--you need to resort to a mind-numbing drug to watch this team.

Posted by: Just Say YES! | October 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I hear ya. Just trying to stir things up.

Consistent, meaningful football in December is all I ask for. That and an honest owner who acknowledges, and doesn't take advantage of, his loyal fans.

Posted by: Old School | October 2, 2007 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,

I saw the CP replay, too. I understand your point, but IMHO (which is never really H) if Betts ran the same way CP did, he would have been tackled two yards deeper in the backfield. The blocking wasn't there, inside or outside.

Posted by: talent evaluator | October 2, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Lions will NOT be easy. Though I do predict a win.

And lay off Gibbs, jackholes, he only has one loss.

I have no problem with the observations, but the sarcastic pejorative conclusions are sophmoric.

Posted by: Dik | October 2, 2007 09:58 AM


Sophomoric- You keep on using that word. I do not think it mean....what you think it means...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

RB,

Other than an owner who stays out of the business.

No racquet ball partner of the owner telling you what to do.

Success on the field.

A well respected franchise.

and...

A well managed Salary Cap you tell me what the Pats have that we don't.

Posted by: Skinz | October 2, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Are we on a blog or at the State of the Union address?

So sorry if some of the content is even remotely funny. We will make sure that all future posts go through numerous drafts, where post writers will eliminate all humorous and inappropriate material.

Posted by: Sophomoric? | October 2, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Hello everyone; Not to be confused with Ray, I again enter the fray with my fellow Skin fans.
I simply had to take off a week from the blog following that Giant loss / that second half collapse.

So, is B Lloyd still going to be active?
I hope not. We need all the DB's active we can, seeing we are going to be running all over the field chasing those WR's from DET.

Wouldn't it be great folks? Just make him one of the inactives.

My All-Time Least Favorite Redskins?
1- Jeff George
2- Brandon Lloyd
3- Deion Sanders
4- Heath Shuler
5- Desmond Howard
6- Adam Archuleta
7- Andre Johnson
8- Michael Westbrook
9- Timmy Smith [he threw away all his potential years as a good back]
10- Dana Stubblefield [took the $ and ran, see B Lloyd]

Posted by: Redskin Ray | October 2, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Great list...

I would take off Timmy Smith and add Sean "My agent is God" Gilbert

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

skinz,

good stuff. I think you forgot about Bank of America magnet give away day too.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 2, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

At least I never whine about anything!!

Posted by: not Ricky Bobby | October 2, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry get Dik out of Zebras POOP?

All of you dont know SH** about football!

1 OVERTIME at HOME against 0-4 miami
2 Down to last series with 1-3 eagles

This has convinced you that REDSKINETTES will have nail biters in all theyre games?

FUC***G GOOBERS!!!

Posted by: Have kool-aide for 5$ a cup! order online | October 2, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Chris Larry get Dik out of Zebras POOP?

All of you dont know SH** about football!

1 OVERTIME at HOME against 0-4 miami
2 Down to last series with 1-3 eagles

This has convinced you that REDSKINETTES will have nail biters in all theyre games?

FUC***G GOOBERS!!!

Posted by: Have kool-aide for 5$ a cup! order online | October 2, 2007 10:42 AM "

Good comeback. Go home before I spank you like I spanked your momma last night.

Sorry, that was mean, but she just kept yelling "SPANK ME!"

How bout this you slack jawed yokel

1) OT at home against an 0-0 Miami team... first game of the year, every team is rusty. You can use the same excuse for your girls giving up 35 to the gmen.

2) Last drive against a DIVISIONAL foe, which we all know has nothing to do with your record.

3) Lost to a divisional foe whos backs were against the wall. Our team played bad... no one is running from that fact.

SO before you call us koolaid junkies, retract your statement about the 1995 Dallas team that went 4-0, that has NO bearing on todays NFL. That was 13 YEARS AGO!

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

On to better things;

A serious conversation about name changes. I know this discussion has been had up here before.

I want to keep our color scheme, and I completely agree with whoever posted the thrid jersey idea as black.

They had those black-out jerseys league wide last year (still pissed I didnt get one), which looked slick., They were jsut black and white. But if you add burgundy and gold on the sleeves and burgundy trim, your tallking nice look.

Def a stadium in DC, with views of the capitol and the like.

Team Name;

Hogs? Warriors? Generals? Something Militaristic, right, being in DC and all.

Senators? I would like that reference since it makes sense for DC, but you could get a cool logo i.e. the roman senators like Ottawa hockey team of the same name.

Posted by: Zebra | October 2, 2007 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Is that moron at it again?! Your insults have no merit. What you point to as a fault is actually a strength. This team is designed to win that way.

And it's how we are going to beat you. I'll have a nice 'crow-pie' for ya in November, ok?

How about this - Dallas losses to Eagles Gints & Skins leave you out of the playoffs.

Aunt Ma & Uncle Pa should have explained that to you. Typical front running Dallas jackhole.

Posted by: Dik | October 2, 2007 11:07 AM | Report abuse

NAME CHANGE - DC Warriors, I think that's the best name...and hopefully not offensive as not to piss off the Indian Gods even more.

Posted by: POOP | October 2, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Just noticed ole Smooty's not on the list of injured players. That's good because we're going to need him this weekend.

Posted by: bigfish | October 2, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

"Asked about McCardell, head coach Joe Gibbs said on Monday: "Keenan can contribute a lot very quickly, which is the reason we opted to go with him. He fits in great with us.

"He knows the system inside and out. When he came in, he was running quality routes right off the bat.""

Posted by: bigfish | October 2, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

POOP that is a stupid name. How abou the Washington Warhawks you stupid vidiot.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 2, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Lloyd said on Monday that if McCardell can help the Redskins win, then he welcomes the move.

"Whatever we can do to win--that's my motto," Lloyd said. "I'm just focused on this season, this season only, and hopefully everything will work out."

Said Gibbs: "With Brandon, he has been in there on a number of plays, but we just haven't got hooked up on him. As a matter of fact, Chris Cooley only has five catches right now, which is disappointing.

"We're hoping that Brandon can be more productive as we go.""

Posted by: bigfish | October 2, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, my suggestion of Washington Warriors wasn't idle speculation -- as has been noted up here previously, Snyder quietly secured rights to that name a few years ago, under the pretense that he might bring an Arena League team to DC.

I'm change-averse as a rule... not sure I'd be comfortable with an alternative uni incorporating the color black. Burgundy and gold are fine with me. Just not white on white, which I despise, and never again the screaming yellow zonkers throwbacks we wore last week.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 2, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm not keen on McCardell, but just for the record, again, F Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 2, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Said Gibbs of Caldwell: "We like him a lot and I think he is ready go. I think he has been impressive in practice and I would like to get him playing. We've stayed pretty healthy at receiver and the problem is, we only carry four receivers [on GameDay].""

Mr Lloyd, you can just show up in street clothes from now on.

Posted by: bigfish | October 2, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

************ Fantasy Football Post ******

F fantasy football

********** End Fantasy Football Post *****

Posted by: 4-12 | October 2, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I think one of these dudes, Keenan or Reche is gonna be clutch for us at some point.....

I just know it! I have no problem with either move as we sit 4 games into the 2007 season....

In context of WR issues of last 3 years than yeah its an issue...but you gotta do what you can when the fat is in the fire...

I think Keenan is gonna be a heady wideout that JC needs as a security blanket...I love Moss/ARE but they are breakout guys so not always willing to get lunchpail catches...thrash is a waste of space and bloyd is well bloyd...if one of these cagey vets can run a 10 yard unglamourus out or curl...they will help...

Remember the names: Ellard, Fryar, Lofton...those dudes helped...

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Opening for Black Francis last night was a middling band called 'Eastern Conference Champions.' They're from Philly, so I think the name is a Flyers reference... the Flyers won the conference once upon a time, I understand. So I was just waiting for them to say something about Philly sports.

(Okay, okay, the DC sports guy waiting to taunt Philly sports guys here in Portland, OR, is some kind of weird triangulation. Such is my lot, these days.)

Anyway, the lead singer chooch started in with some between-song banter, asking "anybody out there a baseball fan?" and I knew the moment had arrived. He got a lukewarm response (a Portland specialty) so he gamely pressed on with something like "how 'bout our Phillies?"

I yelled out "Eff the Phillies!," and while he was trying to come up with a snappy response to that, I quickly followed with "Go Nats!" Just for good measure I threw in an "Eff the Flyers!" Defeated by my superior zinging ability, he glumly said "Okay, that's it, our show is over" and started in on the next craptastic song.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 2, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

POOP that is a stupid name. How abou the Washington Warhawks you stupid vidiot.

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 2, 2007 11:24 AM

Warhawks would insure the wrath from the Hawk God....DUH...

Posted by: POOP | October 2, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Good Morning/Afternoon/Night to all.

Hey Zebra FYI...

"Any chance the Redskins will change their name? How about throwing it back all together...?"


Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 1, 2007 11:58 AM

I posted this under the "McCardell in the house" thread. Something was brought to my attention. The Native American tribe that was settled in this area were known as the Piscataways. I stand corrected. Thank you to the unnamed source. I'm still like the alternate color black. Or another alternate could be all burgundy. The numbers could be yellow. The all black uniforms would be worn in Nov., Dec., and god willing Jan. At any rate it's time for a name change and new uniforms.


DO IT NOW!

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 2, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm making it official Zebra and SkinsRealist will now head my PR department.

Posted by: Daniel Snyder | October 2, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Typical philly quick wit, huh? Nice work.

I'm actually glad the Lions put up all those 4th quarter points on sunday b/c that, coupled with the second half collapse against the giants, should have the defense ready to play 4 full quarters. We're gonna need some good play from smoooooot this week.

Posted by: WrongDog | October 2, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Nate as a "Heckler" extradonaie...I love that story!!!! Good work...what a loser that even on top he backed down!

F Philadelphia*

*except cheesesteaks, and especially Pats!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 2, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, interesting. Does that include a six figure salary with a executive office. Does the PR department have anything to do with uniforms anyway? Ok, who wants to be smarta$$ for a day?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 2, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

chRIs Larry, I hear ya re: Clots/Pats/the team whose name must not be mentioned ... it might be that you and I are specially sensitive to the phenomenon of every other team having to scrap its guts out on a weekly basis and how last year's records mean diddly. Its about the pool. How bad did I take it on AZ beating Pittsburgh? KC beating Norv? Bills beating the Jets? Lets just say I'm a little chapped round back.

Nate, not to make you nervous about The Owner having purchased the rights to the name "Washington Warriors," but he also purchased the rights to Philly's throwback uniforms. Out with the burgundy and gold, in with the turquoise and yellow.

Final thought: Imagine being either a Panthers fan during the offseason in 2006 -- getting psyched for a HUGE season from WR Steve Smith -- or a Shehawks fan that same offseason getting psyched for some more RB Shawn Alexander. Then the season happens. Fast forward to today. Smith = Santana. Alexander = Portis.

Question: Why can't the Skins allow Marcus Mason become our version of Derrick Ward?

Posted by: dcsween | October 2, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

F'n hilarous, Nate.

Don't forget to yell "hit me w/ your best shot" next time too ;-] hehehe.

Heckling is the only reason to go to shows anymore.

Posted by: Dik | October 2, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: bigfish | October 2, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Ok look, the "Marcus, Marcus, Marcus" chanting must stop. What the hell is wrong with you people? Some people posting on here are very unappreciative. Some people posting don't realize that Clinton has carried the ball over 800 times since coming to Washington, and thats not including the 48 carries he has this year. Give him some damn respect. His 4.7 avg. is the highest since his last year in Denver, and we all know how those Denver years were. Ok, he may be hurt, but there is no denying he is a warrior. He will play with a banged up knee, shoulder, foot, or whatever. People want to push aside Portis, for a guy who excelled in the, excuse me, preseason? Are you F'n kidden me, seriously? Marcus Mason maybe a great young talent. I may dare to say he is just as good, if not better than Ladell Betts. I'm going to say one thing so I can make it clear:

CLINTON PORTIS STAYS HURT OFTEN BECAUSE HE IS A RUNNING BACK. ON AVERAGE A D-LINEMAN WEIGHTS FROM 265-350, DEPENDING ON LINE POSITION. LINEBACKERS WEIGHT ANYWHERE FROM 235-255, MAYBE 260. A RUNNING BACK WEIGHTS FROM 195-235. Lets for the sake of arguing say that Clinton Portis is 220lbs. That means he is giving up on average about EIGHTY POUNDS to linemen and THIRTY POUNDS to linebackers, who BTW now-a-days run faster than you can say Barry Sanders.

A quick recap...

822 carries + consistently getting tackled by people who outweight you anywhere from 30-80 pounds = MASS INJURIES^2

Its simple as that. Next time you call for a guy who has the same number of career carries as... ugh, I don't know, ME! Remember CP and how he sacrificed everything for your enjoyment. And Redskin fans wonder why bad luck always follows the team. I swear in a few years Philadelphia fans and Washington fans will have more in common than just two NFC east teams they root and cheer for.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 2, 2007 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Portis will play through pain, he did for us last year, and has already said he will do it again this year.

Posted by: SAK | October 2, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

remember the last time the cowf*gs won a playoff game.... yeah, neither can i cuz it was over a decade ago.....

Posted by: sniksder | October 2, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

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