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Portis and Riggo Meet the Press

Running back Clinton Portis was in Tampa for a Pro Bowl press conference that Mark Maske covered today. Sporting extremely straight pockets, he spoke about Jim Zorn's return, his health, how he'll be used in the offense and, of more immediate interest, his offseason workout plans.

Asked about being at Redskins Park for offseason workouts and practices, Portis said he would "just play it by ear" and "take my time and make my decision that I think is best for me to help" prepare for next season.

Meanwhile, at another media briefing, former Skins running back John Riggins had a few things to say about Portis' role on the team.

He's already a headache," Riggins said at a media briefing by Sirius satellite radio. "You mean is he going to get worse? I don't know. I said that at the end of the season and I believe that unless he changes the way he views himself and views his contributions to the team, then I think that that could be problematic for the Redskins. It's a bad situation, created probably by the people who run the team, that he's been allowed to take the course that he has."For more, see Maske's blog post.


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I think someone posted the numbers months ago. And a trade of cooley would add 2 mill to the cap hit.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

According to what was reported earlier, Cooley would be an $11.1 mill hit against cap, and he has a $3 mill salary.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 28, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frediefritz | January 28, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Poop

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 28, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Riggo, didn't you quit on the team once?

Posted by: p1funk | January 28, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

+++I'd say trade a player of value--#47, let's say-- to get more picks in the middle round (he's a Pro Bowler, he's worth a 2 and 4). That would be the equivalent of trading down, and you start Fred Davis in his place.

Posted by: MistaMoe+++

Great idea. Trade a Pro Bowler, replace him in the lineup with a guy who caught one or two passes all season long, plus draft pick positions that Vinny turned into Malcolm Kelly and J.T. Tryon in 2008.

PrGood rule of thumb: Don't trade away ANY future picks until the Redskins have a GM who knows that he's doing.

Posted by: TheCork | January 28, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow....

I'd say trade a player of value--#47, let's say-- to get more picks in the middle round (he's a Pro Bowler, he's worth a 2 and 4)

I'm shocked that this post has gotten the traffic and commentary it has received.

The sal cap implications I really didn't even know about...there, folks have me.

But there is a reality that bites me: given the talent/aging issues confronting the Skins, I'm amazed that folks want to keep players around who might have value in terms of acquiring need.

It's like folks are saying, "We need to keep this guy and his one touchdown so he can be on a team that might go 6-10 next year."

Keep him for what reason??????????

There are two positions where players of ability exist in over abundance in today's NFL: safety and tight end.

Maybe I've been sleeping the last ten years, but here's a stone cold fact: no team has been a recent Super Bowl winner just because they had a fan friendly tight end.

They had strong o-lines/d-lines and q-backs that made quick decisions.

Wanna play jeopardy: Heath Miller.

The question is name the stillers' tight end.

Can you do that for the cards?

Didn't think so.

Yes, given the massive sal cap hit, trading #47 would be an act of lunacy, like trading a 2nd and 6th round draft pick for an aging future HOFer.

Ooops: we did that already, didn't we?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I think the problem that people have with trading Cooley, besides salary cap suicide, is that we have so many needs on this team that it seems ludicuos to create one where there is none. Fred Davis has proven only that he can sleep through a whole day. 2 picks? Who knows what we'll get for those. Vinny hasn't proven he can pick his a$$ with both hands and a mirror. Why trade a known for 2 unknowns?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Who knows what we'll get for those. Vinny hasn't proven he can pick his a$$ with both hands and a mirror. Why trade a known for 2 unknowns?

Posted by: scampbell1975 |

And here, I again concede the point.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 28, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

sc'75 is right. In competent hands, getting rid of #47 isn't so bad, but I think in doing so, VC and company will probably just end up setting a new low for themselves in terms of player procurement and, in this case, the draft. But maybe that's what actually has to happen before Snyder wakes up. Oh, one can hope. That aside, and assuming we have a front office that knows what it's doing--which it doesn't--then yeah, deal out #47 and throw in Rogers while we're at it. Both of them are at their peak stock value and we might as well start getting younger as a team. B/c we still have years to go before these overpriced contracts with other players run their course. And by then, we'll have more cap wounds to nurse, and need to think about rebuilding yet again. Honestly, though, do you see Snyder allowing for a rebuilding season or two. I mean, that kind of long-term thinking seems to go against everything he stands for: get sexy FAs or a big-name coach and reel in the $$$.

Posted by: pgugino | January 28, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

There is no possible way to spin trading Cooley as a positive, unless we somehow swindle multiple draft picks, including a 1st rounder.

Aside from the undeniable facts that Cooley can't be traded due to his cap number, as well as the well documented ineptitude of this front office, the entire idea still makes no sense.

This team has aging and talent issues.

Chris Cooley is young and talented.

Somehow, there are people that feel it would be a smart move to trade him away.

This would be equivalent to the craziness of attempting to trade Carlos Rogers -- except Rogers has the slim possibility of being able to leave in 2 years due to not being signed long term. That makes the idea of trading Chris Cooley even worse than the Rogers idea.

If trading Cooley is a good idea in theory, then we ought to explore trading Laron Landry for sure. Low cap number, wouldn't be a cap hit whatsoever, would probably generate more interest than Cooley (or at the very least, the same interest), and his position is just as replaceable.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I am a big CP fan, but to be realistic he is getting worn down by the end of the season. I would love to see Ladell cut loose and bring in a quality backup with some speed. When the game is out of reach for one team or the other, Ladell looks like Jim Brown. When the game is on the line, he puts the ball on the turf. I am not a fan. I would love to see a young back who can take some carries and let CP get 15-20 carries a game. I think that would help him stay healthy even though he may not like the split. This is in addition, of course, to all of the other needs the Skins have this off-season. Please beat the Panthers next year down here!!!!!

Posted by: HogInCharlotte | January 28, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

After catching up after a couple of days, I'm surprised at the shock and outrage by fans. The utter lack of a plan.

I would argue it's not the lack of a plan but the result of the failure of the previous/current plan along with having basically no contingency for failure.

This team was built when Gibbs arrived. It was built to be competitive from 2006-2009. It was also built with limitations because it always had to be mindful of the salary cap.

The o-line was intact and seen as a strength but the offense was lacking at the skill positions. Voila, Gibbs trades for Brunell and Portis; sees nothing in Ramsey and drafts Campbell for the future. Unhappy Coles gets traded for Moss and there's a constant search for the big receiver. Cooley is drafted.

The defense was revamped with Gregg Williams system bringing in Daniels, Griffin, Washington and Springs. The big coup drafting Sean Taylor.

Well that nucleus is done. I would argue sooner than expected because of the nature of the contracts. The FO was constantly looking to fill-in around that nucleus - and at times was forced to use picks to fill immediate needs instead of eventually replacing the nucleus. (Griffin, Washington, and Springs are still the best at their positions when HEALTHY.)

So what does the FO do? They continue with the plan for one more year because then the year of jubilee (the uncapped year) will be upon us and the rebuilding can be done the $nyder way - instantaneous.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 28, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Riggins is an arrogant ass his off the field actions were not professional when he played but he played his ass off on Sundays.
Portis speaks his mind his pockets are straight he plays harder then any Redskin on Sunday but he backs up what he says. He needs help , I now see how Cerrato and Danny as GMs have destroyed this franchise by having a limited grasp of identifying and building talent.

Riggins should get a life he is entitled to his opinion but his actions as a player were disgraceful and disgraceful to the Redskins. He needs to get off Portis's jock.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | January 28, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Portis is about a year away from being a total debacle. If we get one more good year out of him it will be a miracle.

Posted by: boot1 | January 28, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

wait TA went to NC State

so nothing good has ever come out of Maryland sports-wise!


ouch!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | January 27, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

hey Truth you donkey, can you say 2002 National Champions? Get a clue, igonramus maximus

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 28, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Portis is about a year away from being a total debacle. If we get one more good year out of him it will be a miracle.

Posted by: boot1

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Do you assume this because Portis just finally turned 27, or because he just had his best season in 3 years?

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Riggins seems to be a bit concerned over his own personal achievements. I don't see why he has animosity towards Portis. As players Portis and Riggins are the same except the surface (Riggins was old and white and Portis is young and black).

Posted by: bangkokben | January 29, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

I would argue it's not the lack of a plan but the result of the failure of the previous/current plan along with having basically no contingency for failure.

Posted by: bangkokben

Exactly. Sort of. You assume there was a plan.

The Spaghetti Gang wanted to win now, so they kept the entire starting roster and then got Jason Taylor and gave up 2 draft picks.

AND they wanted to rebuild by drafting 10 guys and keeping all 10.

Take a shot at the playoffs or rebuild?

They tried to do both. And succeeded in neither.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 29, 2009 2:24 AM | Report abuse

There's not that many teams that would be interested in Clinton Portis, I don't think, and so they have a bad situation on their hands. [That's] my personal take on it."


I thought the line did a tremendous job of blocking earlier in the year. Portis did a decent job of finding the holes

Wow Riggo really showing hate. This is from a man that quit on the team.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 29, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

the team missevaluated the talent of the roster last year, and it sounds as though they are this year too. At this point screw Riggo

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Riggo's comments are 100% accurate as usual. Clinton is a cancer. Does he get 3 yards a carry, sure. Does he cry when he doesn't get his way, most definitely.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Riggo is just flipping out at the fact that Portis is going to beat his career running stats with the team next season and that he will probably finish with more yards in 2 years. Its a total "hey pot!" situation

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

BLOW IT UP!!! CUT WASHINGTON, SPRINGS, KENDALL, JANSEN, DANIELS, THRASH, AND THE KICKER. TRY TO TRADE PORTIS (YEAH RIGHT) OR BUY HIM OUT OF HIS CONTRACT LIKE THEY DID WITH LAVAR HARRINGTON SO HE CAN BE A FREE AGENT.

KEEP TAYLOR AND CARTER AND GRIFFIN FOR ANOTHER YEAR BECAUSE OUR DEFENSE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM AND YOU ARE NOT GOING TO FIND ANY TOP DL AS FREE AGENTS. IF YOU CAN THOUGH, THAN CUT ANY OR ALL THREE OF THESE GUYS.

THERE HAS TO BE A TOP OF THE LINE PASS RUSHING LB (LIKE A KEN HARVEY) OUT THERE. USE ALL DRAFT PICKS ON OL OR DL. DO NOT TRADE ANY PICKS NO MATTER WHAT. WE WILL PROBABLY BE 8-8 WITH THIS PLAN AGAIN BUT AT LEAST IN 09 WE COULD BE ON THE WAY UP AND A NEW DIRECTION LIKE OUR COUNTRY WILL BE!!! CAN WE GET RID OF SNYDER THE WAY WE GOT RID OF "W" AND SEND HIS ASS ON A PLANE TO HELL (THE DEEP SOUTH).

Posted by: BarackObama | January 29, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Sorry CP isnt in the top 5 All Time Redskin running backs. Barely makes it into the top 10. For Cp its all about him and not winning. And CP cant even come close to best Redskin Running back ever Larry Brown who should be in the HOF.

And come on every one knows CP has to attend private workouts with Danny Boy!

Posted by: sheepherder | January 29, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Riggo is just worried that Kid Bro Sweets is on track to break his franchise rushing record. Sorry Riggins!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | January 29, 2009 7:48 AM | Report abuse

Kid Bro Sweets? I thought his nickname was Clinton "I'm fruity, let me look at you in the shower" Portis

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

To read that Portis was upset about the number of carries he was getting was a little confusing. He got plenty of carries. Sometimes I just wish he'd shut his mouth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Not sure how in touch Riggo is with current team, was always put off by the fact that he said on his radio show that he had never met Sean Taylor. That seems pretty hard to believe but he said it.

Posted by: Tappahannock | January 29, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Riggo would have insight toward CP, there pretty much the same player. Crazy space cadets. Riggo brought the exact same thing to the redskins that CP brings, intense and tough play on sundays and distractions through the rest of the week. Only diffrence is CP's on a better pace but the skins are losing more games then in Riggos days.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 29, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Only diffrence is CP's on a better pace but the skins are losing more games then in Riggos days.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 29, 2009 8:29 AM
============================================
We don't have the Hogs anymore.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 29, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Riggins would never throw his teammates under the bus as Portis is quick to do.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

CP is a great player, but I truly don't think he understands the 'team' concept, I don't think he grasps it. Because of where I live, I hear every day about how prior to the injury, Tom Brady was the winner of the award the team gives to the person who spends the MOST time in the weight room. Tom Brady. Possibly the Greatest Player on the planet. CP needs to shut his mouth, and disappear for a while....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Riggins would never throw his teammates under the bus as Portis is quick to do.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009

No. But he sure would quit on his team and come back to play only because he was broke. Roggo is two faced. CP is "me" first person. Let's move on.

Posted by: TWISI | January 29, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Riggo is just flipping out at the fact that Portis is going to beat his career running stats with the team next season and that he will probably finish with more yards in 2 years. Its a total "hey pot!" situation

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 7:45 AM

Alex, This is an ad hominem attack. Just because the pot calls the kettle black, it doesn't make the kettle white, does it? Riggo's right about Portis and shouldn't be dismissed so casually.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

I have been checking draft sites for profiles on sleepers the Skins may be able to get with a later pick. I came across a DE from Penn State who looks like he has the talent and may slip in the draft. His name is Maurice Evans. Here is the link http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?Prospect_ID=1649.

He had 12 sacks as a sophmore then got into some trouble off the field and got benched in favor of Maybin (the Jason Taylor clone who is a severely undersized DE). This guy has Justin Tuck written all over him.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 29, 2009 9:10 AM | Report abuse

No I in team (or talent_evaluator), but two I's in clinton portis! That says it all, right? Of course, if he didn't have two i's he wouldn't have good depth perception.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

This guy has Justin Tuck written all over him.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 29, 2009 9:10 AM |

This has to be the strangest set of tattoos that will show up at the combine.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

can't open the link, how tall is he, and how much does he weigh??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

can't open the link, how tall is he, and how much does he weigh??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 9:21 AM

What diff. does it make? With all the Justin Tuck body art, tackles will fall down laughing and he'll be a sack machine.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

can't open the link, how tall is he, and how much does he weigh??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse


Here is what the profile says...

Position: DE
School & Year/Status: Penn State - Junior
Height & Weight: 6'2 - 264 lbs.
Ranked #52 on our Top 100 Prospects Board

2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:

person
Maurice Evans, DE, Penn State
Maurice Evans took over the starting defensive end job at Penn State in 2007 and ran with it. After recording just 12 tackles, 3.5 tackles for loss, and 1.5 sacks in spot duty as a freshman, Evans' production was off the charts as a sophomore. Last year he managed to rack up 54 tackles, an astounding 21.5 tackles for loss, 12.5 sacks, broke up 3 passes in coverage, and forced 5 fumbles (one of which he returned 55 yards to set up a score).He might be able to play defensive end in the NFL, but his speed, size, and pass rushing skills also make him an excellent 3-4 outside linebacker prospect. He has hurt himself with his off field behavior -- he was suspended 3 games for a marijuana arrest -- and has lost his starting job to sophomore Aaron Maybin. With the NFL cracking down on player conduct, teams can no longer afford to draft players as highly if they have character issues. No team will spend the money on a player that may miss a quarter of the season at any given moment because of off the field issues. Evans decided in January to declare for the draft, in a somewhat curious move. In 10 games this season, Evans recorded just 34 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, and 3 sacks. With Maybin moving on to the NFL, another season at Penn State to show off his skills could have raised his draft stock by several rounds. He has first day talent, but teams might not be willing to pick him until the fourth or even fifth round. If Evans can stay out of trouble and have a good showing at his workouts, he may be able to salvage a third round selection this year.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 29, 2009 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Thanks man.

He's a little light, but he might make a decent OLB....depending on his speed, change of direction skills.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

B he is only 10 pounds lighter than Justin Tuck.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 29, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Horror! Horrors! Horrors!

The Super Bowl is being broadcast on NBC!

I hate NBC.

NBC= No Bob Costas

This year's Super Bowl will be three hours of John Madden doing Frank Caliendo's imitation of John Madden.

Al Micheals is a hack announcer. You ask me if I believe in miracles?, well, yeah, cause you're still announcing pro football games.

I can't stand Chris "Sorry Ex-Bengals WR" Collingsworth pontificating sarcastically about guys who make the kind of plays he couldn't.

Then we have to endure whatever promos the network has for the sorry shows that make up its primetime lineup.

I'd rather pee on the peacock channel.

I got a good topic: Who does the best job of broadcasting NFL games, the Super Bowl included?

Moe likes games with Buck doing play-by-play, color commentary by Phil Simms with Siragusa on the sidelines.


Moe will watch the Super Bowl with the sound turned down.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 29, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Get him bulked up then, my man. He can either go heavy or go home....lol...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Moe likes games with Buck doing play-by-play, color commentary by Phil Simms with Siragusa on the sidelines"

Buck - agreed
Siragusa - agreed (fat people sweating when it's not hot outside is always funny)
Simms - garbage...I'd take Aikman as my player commentator anyday, even though I hated his guts as a player.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 29, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I disagree on Michaels. I've always liked him as a play by play. Madden was too senile 15 years ago.

Buck is as good as it gets right now. I also love Mike Patrick, mainly because I'm an old school ACC fan.

I love Siragusa (for the same reason Yoder does) and I like Aikman (shudder). F Moose F Collinsworth, F Simms F all other ex-cowboy talking heads.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 29, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

"I also love Mike Patrick, mainly because I'm an old school ACC fan."

Gross man, I hope you love Duke then. Between him and Dookie V I have to turn the game on mute. Like the game last night.

Side note...did anyone else see the interview on SportsCenter yesterday with Matt Ryan, where they blatantly pimped Axe hair gel? I immediately changed the channel because of how ridiculous it was.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 29, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I like goose and I like Aikman as well. I'm not really that bothered by the announcing, heck, I like Jerry Glanville announcing games, so what do I know...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Al Micheals is a hack announcer. You ask me if I believe in miracles?, well, yeah, cause you're still announcing pro football games.
Posted by: MistaMoe | January 29, 2009 9:47 AM

A hack? What makes you say this? He is still one of the best in my book.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 29, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Yes both CP and the Diesel were characters off the field and studs on it but JR was a better team member. CP had his best season in awhile because he and the Oline were fresh at the beginning of the year. But of course as the season went on they both wore down. I think CP is good for maybe one more productive season similar to this past year but he's wore out and on the downside of his career. He doesn't have the breakaway speed anymore to score from long distance and he can't make anyone miss in open space.He is still effective in the red zone and still hits the right holes(when there) and has much better vision than Betts. The fact that he doesn't practice during the week doesn't help him out either, if or when he does get through the front 7 he looks like he's out of gas. It would be nice if we could get a speed back somehow this offseason because neither Betts or CP possess the ability to score from long distance. Getting a featured back should be a priority after 09, because at that point CP should be about physically done, selfishness, big mouth and other antics included.

Posted by: 72Redskins | January 29, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

He is light but he is also 3" shorter than Tuck. I was just thinking this could be a Tuck type of pick. Tuck was a stud until he hurt his knee and had a down year which caused his draft stock to drop off a few rounds. This could be the same type of situation...a talented value pick in the mid rounds.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 29, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Portis is being paid to be a leader, so he needs to act like a leader and live at the facility or get out. It's hard for other players like Campbell to be considered a leader if the guy that has the straightest pockets and most favor with the ownership isn't being held to the same high-level as others.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | January 29, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Best play-by-play guys: Mike Patrick, Al Michaels.

Best analysts: Collinsworth, Aikman

I too like Siragusa on the sidelines.

I HATE Joe Buck. And Phil Simms just bores me. Not really a big fan of Madden either.

Bring back the old MNF crew; Patrick, Theisman, and Tirico. At the very least, they were funny to listen to.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

He is light but he is also 3" shorter than Tuck. I was just thinking this could be a Tuck type of pick. Tuck was a stud until he hurt his knee and had a down year which caused his draft stock to drop off a few rounds. This could be the same type of situation...a talented value pick in the mid rounds.

Posted by: rbruce2

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Didn't the profile list him as the #52 prospect? That would put him right in the middle of the second round. Good thing we traded away that pick.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the posters who believe Riggins is just jealous of CP. CP is very close to passing Riggins as the Skins rushing leader.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 29, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I hate Joe Buck as a play by play commentator. He's a brown noser with a forehead that looks like an alien's.

I do like Troy Aikman as a player commentator though, he's made a good transition from being concussed by Lavar to a TV announcer!

Posted by: BostonWarPath | January 29, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Riggins misses the spotlight, and I think CP is in the spotlight too much.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Like the new format...

In case I didn't make myself clear on Riggnis vs. Portis...

MotherF Riggins.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Best analysts: Collinsworth

Being an a good analyst requires not only knowledge of the game, but a voice that isn't annoying and a personality to match.

Collinsworth : FAIL

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 29, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Didn't the profile list him as the #52 prospect? That would put him right in the middle of the second round. Good thing we traded away that pick.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I have only seen one website that has him rated that high. Either way, I am holding out hope that we will trade back and pick up some additional picks. Not that having additional picks is going to make a difference with how Vinny scouts talent. If we would have spent our 3 2nd round picks on the line in last years draft we would be looking at a completely different team going into 2009. But that isn't the case.

Posted by: rbruce2 | January 29, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Like the new format...

In case I didn't make myself clear on Riggnis vs. Portis...

MotherF Riggins.

Posted by: RedDMV

Tell us how you really feel. LMAO

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 29, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Redskins ought to trade Portis for a top offensive lineman. Draft a RB in the middle rounds.

Posted by: RedCherokee | January 29, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

What a jealous d-bag Riggins is making himself out to be. He's accusing Portis of not being part of the team? Didn't he quit on the team.

Riggins is just pissed because Clinton is going to pass him, and if they get the line straight and a legit passing game, he'll lap his ass.

Riggins is a ghost now, and wishes he could still play. He was terrible on the radio - got axle'd, and just wants to take his shots now that there is someone who is going to SMASH his records.

Riggins needs ro get over it, then get over his damn self. That bama CP is on his six....

For all the CP haters, I ask you this, how much was you on his nuts when he was putting up those 5 straight 100 yard games?

Look I don't like Riggins, nor do I respect him. I know he could care less, but that what it is. His agenda is so damn obvious it's pathetic.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Play by play - Mike Patrick
Analysts - Simms, Collinsworth

It's probably blasphemy here but get rid of Kornheiser on MNF - his schtick is old.

I also liked the old Sunday night crew of Patrick, Theisman, and Maguire

Posted by: skinswest | January 29, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

If all this nonsense is over Portis breaking his records, that would make Riggins the biggest hypocrite in the world. I don't see his problem though, until Portis takes the Skins to the SuperBowl, all JR has to do is shine his ring.

I don't really like either of them for the record.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 29, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Red, CP is a great player, but he needs to shut his yap. He was 'texting Edge about not getting enough carries', come on, that's crap. I like CP just as much as the next guy, but enough already...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeah trade Portis... RedCherokee, there is something that was implemented in the '92-'93 season called a "salary cap", trading Portis will handcuff the 'skins for a little while.

"Portis is being paid to be a leader, so he needs to act like a leader and live at the facility or get out."

Um, didn't he "live at the facility last season? People like you really trip me out, you don't give the man credit for a damn thing thats positive. The man isn't get paid to be a leader, that is a resonsiblity that is in a clause in his contract, you take that position yourself, he doesn't - not everyone is a leader, even those who think that they are.

Stop asking them to play the game according to the way you think it should be played.

The dude that has like 5,000 yards rushing and who has been churned into dust since he's been here due to the amount of carries, doesn't have a 4 preceding that 6 on his jersey.

Some of you give Betts more props more than Portis, WTF is that about?

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Here is something that I don't get. CP spent most of last off-season working out, and getting in shape, and had his best season in 3 years. So armed with this information, CP decides this year, he's not going to do the same thing.

I like CP, but again, he's just gotta shut his yap, because it makes him look bad...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I think CP will take some time away from the game which he has earn. Then do the same thing he did last year and workout at the park.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 29, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I hear ya dude, for him to make statements like that makes me wonder what does he smoke and drink, but like his U hommie, Edge, these guys are divas. And I stand by my statement that most NFL players are. Some just conceal it better than others.

Does Portis talk too much? Yes he does. There is no denying that. Do I get tired of it? Yes, I do. But to say that he isn't a very, very, good RB is just BS (I wouldn't even call him great just yet).

People who front on CP, like Dickey Cranium are just asses, and wish they could live the life he does, wealth, respect, notoriety, what he does for a living, and his accomplishments. It why this dude Dick "Head" Cranium, always mentions ones occupation when throwing shots. They hate their life and their pissy suck-ass job.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Look I don't like Riggins, nor do I respect him. I know he could care less, but that what it is. His agenda is so damn obvious it's pathetic.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 10:42 AM |

Not as obvious as your agenda, red.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

They need to spell CP more often with Betts (or someone new). It seems they keep talking about that in the offseason but it never materializes until CP is worn down. A rebuilt/younger O-line would do wonders also. It's hardly rocket science that CP and JC both struggled in the second half of the season when the O-line broke down.

- Capt Obvious rant over.

Posted by: skinswest | January 29, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

REd-
Portis is a decent RB- he USE to be a very good RB.

Save all the other crap coming out of your mouth- you lost all credibility a couple of weeks ago when you threw out the race card on why people (and not just me) are hating on Portis and Moss.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Hey, red/rich, can you guys take the insults off line or something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

lets clear the record here. out of all the teams in the NFL you never hear about a Washington Redskin acting a fool or being disrespectful or doing anything illegal compared to other teams.

As for portis talking to much, how can this be. everytime there is an issue it was a reporter who asked him a question and then we as fans get mad because we dont like his answer.

He could be trying to get a reality show or out doing movies. but from all accounts he just wants to be left alone. it is the media that continues to want to interview him.

If portis was to answer every question politically correct then we would be mad that he doesnt have any emotion or a leader like we do JC

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 29, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

We need to trade betts for a 3rd or 4th round pick. We need a change of pace back. CP is not the home run hitter he was when came out of college but no back is the home run hitter after more than 5 years in the league. We need a change of pace back that allows CP to wear down the Defense and the other back come in and provide some speed to a worn down defense.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | January 29, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Things really aren’t black and white here (not race, settle down, you know what I mean). Portis is a complete stud on Sundays, and for the last couple of years changed his off season routine to be at the park instead of Miami. While he goes all out on Sunday, he has made it known that he hates playing in pre-season games (actually blamed the coaches for his shoulder injury in the preseason game)….I am not sure if he actually said he hates to practice, but there seems to be this perception since he was “rested” during the week so much this past season. The one thing that is sure, he speaks his mind without really thinking ahead of time whether he should or should not be saying what he says. Sometimes this makes him look arrogant, spiteful, and even dumb. After stuff he says blows up, he usually later says the right things to get things to blow over. Criticizing the coaches the way he did can definitely be interpreted as being derisive in the locker room, especially since he is apparently one of Snyder’s favorite guys. IF and only IF we see down the road that Snyder will favor players over coaches when it comes to team management and decision making (portis in particular), then you could say that what portis says/does off the field is “cancerous”. But only if it comes to that. It should be the coaches job to keep the players in line. The owner should just sign the checks and stay out of things.

As far as Riggins is concerned, he was a great back for the Skins, but as is known had a different set of rules applied to him by the coaches, similar to Portis. While it seems/is hypocritical of him to criticize Portis for his off field stuff, that doesn’t change things that Portis does. While yes, a bit over critical, Riggins isn’t the only critic which does say something. Riggo has pretty much been really down on the whole organization since Snyder bought it. He isn’t targeting CP and CP only with his critical remarks. There is also always the chance that he says half of the stuff he does in order to generate ratings (but who knows?)……The one thing I will say that I feel strongly about (but obviously I can’t know this for fact) is that he isn’t “hating” on CP because he looks like he is going to break a few of his rushing records. Riggins was never really that kind of guy, and really didn’t seem to care about any records he owns. His Redskins team records are not what got him into the Hall of Fame…..the things that got him there will never be erased or taken away from him.

Sorry for the long post.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 29, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Hey, red/rich, can you guys take the insults off line or something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 11:17 AM

“Irony is a disciplinarian feared only by those who do not know it, but cherished by those who do.”

- Kierkegaard

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey RedDMV, thanks for enlightening me about the salary cap. Didn't realize it. Hopefully the Redskins will find other ways to get a top OL. Obviously it's an priority issue.

Posted by: RedCherokee | January 29, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I am waiting for some mom jokes to come along pretty soon. Fighting on line is ridculously stupid and funny at the same time.

Mike Patrick, ugh. Him and Dickie V doing a Duke game is nauseating. Sounds like they wanna step into the showers with those guys after the game. Patrick was the same guy who started babbling about Britney Spears during a game winning drive of a college football game. Here is the excerpt:

Georgia and Alabama are in overtime and GA has the ball with a chance to win. So Mike Patrick says to Todd Blackledge that he has an important question. He wants to know about someone. Who could it be in an overtime game? Ex-Bulldog Hershel Walker??? Joe Namath's stint in rehab??? No it was someone more important than them......


I'll let reader Dave explain....

In OVERTIME, Patrick says to Todd Blackledge "I've got an important question."

Blackledge: "Go ahead."
Patrick: "What's Britney doing with her life?"
Blackledge: "Who?"
Patrick: "Britney."
Blackledge: "Britney who?"
Patrick: "Britney Spears. What's she doing with her career?"
Blackledge: "Why do we care at this point? Is she here?"

Ball is snapped immediately following this exchange and Georgia scores WINNING TD --- again in OVERTIME.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 29, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Here's my take on CP: He's a peacock; a showman. CP's play and his outsize personality, which a lot of people loved early on, is what helped him ingratiate himself with the owner and get "overpaid" to the point that when he's no longer a serviceable starter the Skins will be handcuffed by his salary. Portis' pockets straight because he became the face of the franchise with the shenanigans that have now worn thin.

I don't doubt that there may be a racial element to some fans' criticisms, feelings about or lack of patience with Portis and players like him but it (like most discusssions of race) is too complicated and probably too far above most peoples' heads to discuss in this forum.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I got a good topic: Who does the best job of broadcasting NFL games, the Super Bowl included?
---

I am down on the broadcasters for most the league now. Most the A-team broadcasts are alright, but usually at best you have 2/3 good on air personalities and 1 sucking wind. I sometimes like watching the unknown guys, like the guys we had during the SF game never heard of them never saw them. But they are like AA broadcasters and way on the west coast.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

how did this get overlooked?
http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html


The washington Redskins are officially the most valuable sports franchise in the US according to Forbes. This said it was updated in septmber but does not give a year. Interesting if it were true.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

"The washington Redskins are officially the most valuable sports franchise in the US according to Forbes. This said it was updated in septmber but does not give a year. Interesting if it were true."

I thought the cowgirls jumped over the Skins with the construction of their new stadium. That's a lot of money for 2 franchises that haven't done anything/little in the playoffs recently.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 29, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Riggo would have insight toward CP, there pretty much the same player. Crazy space cadets. Riggo brought the exact same thing to the redskins that CP brings, intense and tough play on sundays and distractions through the rest of the week. Only diffrence is CP's on a better pace but the skins are losing more games then in Riggos days.

YOU MISSED THE POINT!! Come back and talk when Portis has won a superbowl and HMMMMMMM unless im mistaken Riggo has a superbowl ring and MVP of the superbowl the skins won !! LOL

Posted by: rnorris6 | January 29, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Yoder,
Not sure when that was last updated. If it was Sep 29 that would have been mid construction and I assume in the numbers. I mean spenidng 1 billion on a stadium may have ened up a net loss.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Emmit Smith has better numbers than riggo did and he is a compleat idiot should we lisson to him though?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow....can't believe what I'm reading.
Portis Stats....

Does portis talk to much sometimes?
Yes

Does he do a little to much sometimes?
Yes

Does he play hard every Sunday?
Yes

Should he have argued with the head coach?
No

Is he playing in Denver or in washington?
Washington

Does he have the same line he did when he was 21?
No Sir

Let the stats talk. Who would yall rather? At RB? Or is it after 3-5 years get a new RB every single year.


He was 4th in the NFL in rushing

2008 Washington Redskins
16 342 1,487 4.3

2007 Washington Redskins
16 325 1,262 3.9

2006 Washington Redskins
8 127 523 4.1

2005 Washington Redskins
16 352 1,516 4.3

2004 Washington Redskins
15 343 1,315 3.8

2003 Denver Broncos
13 290 1,591 5.5

2002 Denver Broncos
16 273 1508 5.5

1 Emmitt Smith 18,355
2 Walter Payton 16,726
3 Barry Sanders 15,269
4 Curtis Martin 14,101
5 Jerome Bettis 13,662
6 Eric Dickerson 13,259
7 Tony Dorsett 12,739
8 Jim Brown 12,312
9 Marshall Faulk 12,279
10 Marcus Allen 12,243
11 *Edgerrin James 12,121
12 Franco Harris 12,120
13 Thurman Thomas 12,074
14 *LaDainian Tomlinson 11,760
15 John Riggins 11,352
16 *Fred Taylor 11.271
17 Corey Dillon 11,241
18 O.J. Simpson 11,236
19 *Warrick Dunn 10,967
20 Ricky Watters 10,643
21 Tiki Barber 10,449
22 Eddie George 10,441
23 Ottis Anderson 10,273
24 *Jamal Lewis 10,107
25 Joe Perry 9,723
26 *Shaun Alexander 9,429
27 Earl Campbell 9,407\
28 * Clinton Portis 9,202
29 * Ahman Green 8,751
30 Terry Allen 8,614

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Now ask yourself these questions.

Clinton is not perfect....are you?

Just ask yourself the most important fuc... question of the day. Does Clinton produce.

If your answer is yes then i really don't see the problem.
Winning fix everything.

But if your answer is no then let's go get players who don't talk.

oh yeah but don't forget if they come here their stats will drop. (that's a given)

Joseph Addai 40th this year in rushing

Julis Jones 30th this year

Cedrick Benson 20 this year

we really can keep going but the problems with some of the so called fans on here is that you want more. Yall just like Synder. Want to win win win now. We have a RB ranked 4th in Rushing and let's trade him.

Fine-i wont argue that but please tell me how the fuc. will u replace him.

Trade coley and replace him with what....

Fine let's get picks for our player.

Then what. Vinny drafts 10 players and 2 of them play. Oh and they were in the 6 and 7th round.

Stop crying and see the big picture. Get out of the box.

There are 32 teams in the leauge.
We have a top 5 defense that still needs work.

RB is a canser but is ranked 4th

blah blah blah

Let talk about the team that were ranked lower.

So let's go get Thomas jones...he just had a great year and dosen't talk and won't cost as much....lol

You get what you pay for. Clinton is clinton.

but let get rid of him and see him do good somewhere else like every player we let go

Antonio Pierce
Dockery
and the list goes on.

We need to get better in all aspects of the team, coaching, player evaluation, line...., but to get rid of player and don't have a plan don't make sense.

Riggs i love you but your just sad Portis is going to pass u. Its ok! That's life

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

how did this get overlooked?
http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/forbes.html

The washington Redskins are officially the most valuable sports franchise in the US according to Forbes. This said it was updated in septmber but does not give a year. Interesting if it were true.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 11:50 AM

Alex,

It didn't get overlooked. It was a hot item. About six years ago. Forbes current list of top ten franchises can be found here:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/13/nfl-cowboys-yankees-biz-media-cx_tvr_0113values.html

#1 is Manchester United. Cowboys are #2 ($1.6 billion) and Redskins are a close third, $1.5 billion.

And for those of you who are confused about layoffs in the NFL, you might want to consider this:

"Is pro sports a bubble? That's hard to say. But with the economy in peril, the days of skyrocketing growth appear to be over, at least for now.

"We're in for some trying times for the next year or so," says Larry Grimes, a Washington, D.C.-based mergers and acquisitions consultant who specializes in the sports industry. What he sees ahead is not so much the bursting of a bubble, which by definition would include a wave of selling at distressed prices, but a leveling off of franchise valuations to reflect the current reality. With prospective buyers having trouble lining up financing, many current owners will have little choice but to sit tight and ride out the storm.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Great post 1skinfan

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | January 29, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, every guy on that list is either done or almost done.

Posted by: mack1 | January 29, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

From PFT,

IS EDWARD EMMITT’S REPLACEMENT?
Posted by Mike Florio on January 29, 2009, 12:29 p.m. EST
ESPN has announced that former Jets and Chiefs coach Herm Edwards will join the network in mid-February 2009.

He’ll serve as an NFL studio analyst.

“Edwards will appear on NFL Live, SportsCenter, ESPNEWS and other programs throughout the year in addition to contributing analysis on ESPN Radio and other platforms,” ESPN said in a release.

So amid rumblings that Emmitt Smith’s contract expires after the Super Bowl and that he won’t return to the network thereafter, the obvious question from our perspective is whether Edwards will be Emmitt’s replacement.

And that’s all we’ll say about it for now, because there’s a chance that we’ll run into Emmitt down here at some point over the next few days, and one of my goals for the week is to return to PFT Headquarters with the same number of teeth that I had when I left.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 29, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

the trade cooley talk is preposterous...

there is one player that i think we can get some picks and value for is horton. now i know he was a bright spot on our team, but i dont think he is what we erally need, his value is never going to be higher than it is right now considering he is young with a low salary and played very well, what this team needs is a free safety that has range since we play the one deep approach with the strong safety in the box, and landry is just a much better strong safety with his blitzing ability, as well as the fact his hands arent that great, also this would be better for those obvious passing downs when we have two safetys with range that can play deep...so maybe if we could package horton with rogers, i think that should get us a 1st and a 3rd...

Posted by: jasonma1 | January 29, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Portis is the best player on the team...

You guys are just nuts to think a mid-round rookie RB would have any chance of replacing him. Portis is 27; is a complete RB; almost rushed for 1,500 yds behind the Skins aging, injured offensive line; and he would cost 13 mil in dead cap space to release + another 7-10 mil/yr to sign a suitable replacement (e.g. Jacobs).

Posted by: siris | January 29, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Please, oh please don't get rid of Emmitt. He's the only reason I watch ESPN, just to hear him slay the English language one missed contraction at a time.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | January 29, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Thing is, every guy on that list is either done or almost done
Mack1

True..but are you saying get a new RB every 3-5 years?

Because thats what happens to every player.
Emmit Smith
Ladanian Tominson

You get old... thats what happens in life and in football. But the question to aks is can you still produce at 27.

The answer for Portis is Yes.
Look at the stats. He got 1500 in 13 games. He coudn't do it in 16 games this year....but was ranked 4th.

Can he still produce?
Is he still 22 years old?


But I promise you Ladanian is still top 10 as far as helping a team win. Players like Clinton and Ladanian can play 10-15 years hopefully.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

siris

Thank you!!!

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

siris

Thank you!!!

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

3 yards a carry is truly something special- no runs over 20 yards- that's the definition of a game changing player.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who Portis defenders (and I like him too) listen to this.

As long as Portis continues to be a 25-30 carries a game back this offense will continue to be 8-8, 9-7 "ish". Sure, when Clinton Portis touches the ball 25 times they win but where was he at the end of the season. Look at the elite teams in the league...they mix it up a lot more than we do. I'm not saying Portis is not a key part of this team but to use him as a smashmouth back is a mistake and he won't last two more seasons.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 29, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm so sick and tired of Riggo's grumpiness and he obvously can't stand Portis for whatever reason..jealous of the money perhaps...?
Doesn't Portis own the season record with the Redskins and didn't Riggo, although great, run behind the legendary HOGS THAT WOULD ALLOW 9 SACKS IN A WHOLE SEASON???REDSKINS OF TODAY WILL GIVE UP 6 SACKS IN ONE GAME!!! Riggo just needs to shut up and sit down, he wouldn't get the yardage today with our line, good lord he's negative and big-headed!!!

Posted by: trufe1 | January 29, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering why they had no date on that. TE thanks for the currernt version.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

"3 yards a carry is truly something special"

I agree. Good thing Portis was at 4.3 YPC.

"no runs over 20 yards- that's the definition of a game changing player."

Once again, good thing Portis' long run was 31 yards.

While we're at it, let's rip on Santana Moss for catching only 40 receptions, Chris Cooley for having 7 fumbles, Jason Campbell for averaging 1.0 yards per attempt, Laron Landry for catching zero interceptions, Carlos Rogers for failing to break up any passes, London Fletcher for being the lowest starter in tackles, and Chris Samuels for letting up 37 sacks last year.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The problem with guys like LT and CP is that they have so many miles on their bodies (check CPs number of carries vs. the players on that list relative to their years in the league) that they can't help you in crunch time. But if you rest them too much during the season, they sulk because they can't "get their numbers." Where was LT when the Chargers needed him in the playoffs the last two years?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Not as obvious as your agenda, red.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 11:15 AM

Whatever, guy. You got any more funnies about decapitated kids to pull out your rectum? I don't like Riggins, why does it bother you if I have an agenda or not.

REd-
Portis is a decent RB- he USE to be a very good RB.

Save all the other crap coming out of your mouth- you lost all credibility a couple of weeks ago when you threw out the race card on why people (and not just me) are hating on Portis and Moss.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 11:17 AM

Um, it was a question. I never said THAT was the reason. Dude, you can go back to the rock you've been hiding under, and quit addressing anything I have to say. I don't deal with simple minded, pathetic morons such as yourself. Why don't you only have something to say when I post something regarding Portis - *Now TheTruth11 take notice, this is what you call obsession* Look, Dick, "I've lost credibility", how much credibility can one have on a damn blog. You're a piece of turd, plain and simple. You can stop addressing anything I have to say, understand?

Hey, red/rich, can you guys take the insults off line or something.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 11:17 AM

Said the most moody and ornery dude on this blog. Weren't you spatting a few days ago?

Please.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

richard_cranium

(his longest was 31)

Totally true...but he was still ranked 4th in the league but yes that is true

Then lets go get...who
I don't understand. I'm not arguing but just tell me who should we get?

will we be ranked 4th in rushing next year with a new RB with our line?

rickyroge

Agree we need to help him a little bit. But they have no choice right now. Coach is scared call plays to throw and we have a offense who just really don't throw and do crazy stuff. Right now all we've been doing the last couple of year is running.

The reason for this is because no one trust Campbell. It's just like if you trust your kids you'll let them play outside.

If Peyton Manning was on our team clinton would numbers would be way down and we would go to the super bowl (lol...i had to put that in there)

But I agree....he needs help and we shouldn't use him like that but the reason is because we can't throw. So the coach's who come here see that. They want to play it safe.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

3 yards a carry is truly something special- no runs over 20 yards- that's the definition of a game changing player.

Posted by: richard_cranium | January 29, 2009 12:53 PM

you're not only an ass, but a liar as well. portis had a 30 yard run this season - but you go ahead and keep drilling your moot and lame point, dick.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Said the most moody and ornery dude on this blog. Weren't you spatting a few days ago?

Please.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

He's always fighting....

Is it just me or didn't CP say he wasn't going to watch any of the playoffs or the super bowl cause he wasn't in it? How does showing up in Tampa qualify as getting away from everything cause you're not in it?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 29, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Red, loves him some CP. :)

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Whatever, guy. You got any more funnies about decapitated kids to pull out your rectum? I don't like Riggins, why does it bother you if I have an agenda or not.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 1:01 PM

You got me confused with someone else, hoss. Only you would think a decapitated kid was funny.

Why does it bother you if Riggins has an agenda?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

why does it bother anyone that everyone has an agenda? WE ARE TALKING SPORTS! Have all the agendas you want.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

You got me confused with someone else, hoss. Only you would think a decapitated kid was funny.

Why does it bother you if Riggins has an agenda?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 29, 2009 1:10 PM


Hoss? Nah, dude, I know what I read. Does six flags ring a bell? I know you get senial with the age and all, but go check the archives - YOU SAID THE IT!!! I mean you were the "low-life classless bastard" people were referring to because of those comments, right?

"Why does it bother you if Riggins has an agenda?"

It's old, played, and annoying at this point. Every since Riggins had the ear of the public, or since he had the feeling that CP would pass in yards in a 'skins uniform, he's had this anti-Portis slant he's been pimping to the masses. He knew he'd get most people on his side too, old guys such as your self, who thinks he's god's greatest.

Riggns is done. A ghost. As bad as he wishes he could have some attention he just doesn't, can't and won't. Portis is now, Riggns was then, he needs to get over it, like you.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hate to disagree ... but we throw just fine. We run good enough. The receivers need to be improved. But most of all we can't block. We need an OL. Many of these problems would be solved.

Clinton can pout, act like a jerk, until his unfortunate contract runs out. Betts and Rock will more than likely do just find behind a revamped offensive line.


"But I agree....he needs help and we shouldn't use him like that but the reason is because we can't throw. So the coach's who come here see that. They want to play it safe.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009"

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Finally, Portis like Jensen is just about done. Running backs, even good ones only last so long. To believe otherwise is naive. Portis tanked big-time in the 2nd half of the season. There are 16 games not 8.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Red, I argue with people plenty, however I don't resort to the stuff you and rich were putting out there.

I don't want to hear about you and his wife, however made up that ENTIRE statement was.

You're bright enough, I'm sure you can understand this. All I'm asking you to do is clean it up.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | January 29, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

LearnedHand is so right about this. You can't depend on Portis anymore to last 16. You really can't depend on Samuel's, Thomas et al to last 16 either. But you do have a Betts, a Cartwright.

You don't have that for the OL. The OL is the in desperate straits.

"The problem with guys like LT and CP is that they have so many miles on their bodies (check CPs number of carries vs. the players on that list relative to their years in the league) that they can't help you in crunch time."

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Riggins? Just remind him about how he was once described as intimately attached to his oxygen mask at the end of his career. He had a hard time leaving it on the sidelines. He took it very hard when Gibbs told him he was done.

Let's not wait until that happens to Portis.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Betts and Rock will more than likely do just find behind a revamped offensive line.

If you keep making comments like this, the police are going to get a search warrant to raid your home because you are on some powerful sjk.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

"Betts and Rock will more than likely do just find behind a revamped offensive line."

They may be "fine" behind a revamped offensive line, but Portis would be an MYP candidate (kinda like he was in the beginning of the season).

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Just noticed the Lions cut Furrey. I think that would be one free agent the Skins ought to consider seriously. There's a potential replacement for Thrash. He can still catch passes pretty well.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Does CP need 3 new linemen?
Yes add .5 yards per carry if he gets that.

Does he need more spell time, maybe a speed back to spell him time to time?
Yes take away 5 carries a game from him.

He still ends up with roughly 1500 yards a season.
NEXT

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

No doubt -- an NFL team cannot succeed if they become one dimensional offensively. Defenses would pick them a part...

The Skins are no different. After the offensive line broke down with injuries, defenses blitzed mercilessly and Campbell never had any time to pass. The TEs had to be held back to pass block and the WRs were not completing their patterns before the defensive pressure reached the QB.

The Skins had the 23rd passing offense as measured by yards per game; averaging 6.5 yds per pass, with only 3 passing plays that went over 40 yards and 11 TDs.

They were bad, but most of the blame should be directed to the offensive line -- they simply could not pass protect by the end of the season -- with the WR development, blocking, and route running; 1st year coaching issues (such as figuring out how to effectively utilize players, coaching up backups, knowing when to inactivate injured players, and understanding opponents tenancies); and a GM that did not bring in quality backups and special team players were all partially to blame. Campbell is still learning this offense, but his performance was excellent considering the pressure he was put under. Imagine how well he'll play with another year in the system and 3-5 seconds to complete a pass.

I agree that the Skins will simply not improve until the passing offense becomes more efficient and the scoring increases. Rushing is typically utilized to control the time of possession and wear down a defense. However, it's the passing offensive that usually puts a team in position to score points. A winning team requires proper execution of both the rushing and passing offenses to have a chance at winning consistently...

Posted by: siris | January 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"They may be "fine" behind a revamped offensive line, but Portis would be an MYP candidate (kinda like he was in the beginning of the season).

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009"


He's not going to make it to the end of the season plus any playoffs if you do that. He has to be used like Brandon Jacobs or Derrick Ward.

That clearly did not work. He started off averaging over 5 yards per carry. Went to around 3.0 and ended up in the middle at 4.3. He just can't do it. Basically he started off like an MVP and ended up like Benny Malone.


Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

periculum

Cool so who do we get?

What happens when betts and rock do about 3-4 years?

Get a new ones?

will betts and rock have better numbers thean clinton?

I don't think he's the problem.
My opinion is that yes give him so fuc... help but to get rid of him...thats to me is a no. if we get rid of him the same thing will happen with rock and betts or whoever we get.

They will play behind a bad old line and after a couple of years we'll be doing this again. The thing is wiht a bad line clinton is ranked 4th in the league.

passing more down field will also help clinton.

Who will block better

"you only know what you lose untill you lose it"

Trust me


periculum

So RB's can't play 10 years and be productive.
I'll be gald to get stats if you want.

Please answer this question who do we get then?

Fine get rid of Portis....who is our starting RB?

Marcus Mason?....lol
I love this guy. He played well found holes.but you know what, and was top 2 RB in pre-season....but guess what he did not find a home or a team....

I wonder why. Theres 32 teams in the NFL and i guess no one needed a RB...

No the thing is the is 32 teams and mostly every team needs a RB or a decent backup or change up guy....but 32 temas, scouts, GM...passed on him...

Why?

I don't know. Im not in the NFL but I have a good idea.

It was fuc.... pre-season. vs bench players. They also felt that he could not be good enough.

Denver had 5 RB's this year and did not even give the second best RB a chance.

I rather yall say get him some help, give him less caries but to get rid of him and have no plan = what?

yes RB life in the NFL can be long...look at the list. Scroll up....you'll see a couple of HOF who player more than 10 years.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

"He still ends up with roughly 1500 yards a season.
NEXT

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009"

With zero rushing TD's. Zero passing TD's. The team averages 10 points a game.
NEXT

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is still learning this offense, but his performance was excellent considering the pressure he was put under. Imagine how well he'll play with another year in the system and 3-5 seconds to complete a pass.

Posted by: siris | January 29, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse


Completely agree which makes it even more confusing as to why the FO is refusing to address his contract situation. They could sign him for a relatively modest deal for a starting QB now. If they wait and he blows up they are going to have to shell out way more money. The guy keeps his mouth shut and works his ass off having to learn a new offense annually it seems. But they want to award guys like DeAngelo Hall based off a few game audition. Not that I am saying we shouldn't resign Hall but it just is continuing the stupid way they go about doing business.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | January 29, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"Fine get rid of Portis....who is our starting RB?"

Betts started and did fine. Cartwright can spell him if need be. You don't get rid of Portis because of his contract. You use him like a Brandon Jacobs or a Derrick Ward. You keep him fresh and reasonably healthy.

You use the other guys more.

For now. Next year they will have to draft potential replacements.

That is why this year is for the OL. The draft is the place to go for new RB.s (Not receivers clearly.) In the first round preferably. However, we will need help on defense at LB and DE next year as well.

Clearly we need more picks. But we also need salary cap relief. Clearly Riggins is right about Portis in that regard. He does suck up more salary cap in guaranteed bonuses than he should. At this stage in his career he should be like Griffin where it is all salary, where releasing him could be done without killing the cap.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm in love with the Queen of the Supermarket.

Posted by: Rypien11 | January 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

alex35332

thank you

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"yes RB life in the NFL can be long...look at the list. Scroll up....you'll see a couple of HOF who player more than 10 years."

I think you should be more objective and compare their stats in the first 5 years and second five years. Then draw a curve that shows productivity. Not just yards, but average per carry, number of long runs, number of TDs, number of long pass plays, number of passing TDs.

Most of the players you placed an asterisk by are pretty much done. I wonder how many will be playing with their current teams next year other than Portis?

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

"But I promise you Ladanian is still top 10 as far as helping a team win. Players like Clinton and Ladanian can play 10-15 years hopefully.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009"

That will likely never happen.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"He's not going to make it to the end of the season plus any playoffs if you do that.

Posted by: periculum"

I'm pretty sure Portis played in every single game last year, and he was even practicing by the end of the season. Twice before, in 2005 and 2007, Portis' strongest stretch of games came during the last4-5 weeks of the season.

Portis' production didn't drop because he was "worn down". Every player gets "worn down" the way Portis did over a full season, including guys like Brandon Jacobs (who missed more games than Portis, and did nothing late in the season, including playoffs). The difference was that Samuels was playing on a knee that needed to be arthroscopically repaired after the Lions game, and Jansen returned to his preseason form that had him benched in favor of Heyer.

Portis is still only 27 years old. I can see if we were talking about a 29-30 year-old RB. He will prove everyone wrong next year, just like he did in 2007 after everyone said he was done, and again in 2008 when the whispers came back out.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"but let get rid of him and see him do good somewhere else like every player we let go"

You can't get rid of him and no one else will take him. But you can make better use of him. He doesn't need to see the ball every carry. He won't be effective doing that.

GET THE OL FIXED and they will all play better including Portis. Just make sure he doesn't take the lion's share of the credit.


Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"Portis is still only 27 years old. I can see if we were talking about a 29-30 year-old RB. He will prove everyone wrong next year, just like he did in 2007 after everyone said he was done, and again in 2008 when the whispers came back out.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009"

He opened his mouth and said "give me the ball" and we'll win. Zorn gave him the ball and they went on a long losing streak. The only games won were by the defense.

Yes a new OL could add to his career. I'm just not convinced he should be the only guy carrying the ball next year. He tanked as much as the OL did. You can't blame them for everything.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

how do you score 10 points with no rushing or passing TD's?

1 D TD+ 1 FG
2FG + 2 S
?

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

psps, why are you bothering trying to convince the anti-Portis crowd?

the numbers = production; they speak for themselves. if they can't see hard cold facts, what makes you think that your words will change that?

you're wasting your time, but I give you a standing ovation for you efforts, sir.

i agree with you 100% on everything you've said regarding Clinton Portis.

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I think we should carry a fourth running back, and his name should be Marcus Mason.

Just looking at the Steelers roster on Nfl.com and found it interesting that they carry not only a fourth RB but a fourth QB as well.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 29, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

The only games won were by the defense.

Yes a new OL could add to his career. I'm just not convinced he should be the only guy carrying the ball next year. He tanked as much as the OL did. You can't blame them for everything.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:19 PM

OMG!!!!!!! WTF!?!?!?!?! So, his five 100+ yard games meant nothing to them winning games? I don't know who's worse you, or Dickey Cranium in terms of you hate for Portis.

He's the RB get over it, and if you have tme get over yourself. Good GOD!!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"He opened his mouth and said "give me the ball" and we'll win. Zorn gave him the ball and they went on a long losing streak. The only games won were by the defense."

Actually, the losing streak came before he opened his mouth. Clinton complained after we lost to Dallas, Pitt, NYG, and BAL. Then AFTER those games, he opened his mouth, but by that time we had to deal with Heyer and Fabini as our starting tackles.

Portis "tanked" just about as much as Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, and Chris Cooley "tanked". They weren't all worn down more than any other player in the league.

Posted by: psps23 | January 29, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Pitt carries a fourth RB and QB b/c IR players.

Duh.

I'm still a Marcus Mason fan.

Posted by: matthewvickers | January 29, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

riggo has a ring... portis has no rings!!! portis just needs to shut and play!!!

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 29, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Riggins has a ring because he played on better teams than Portis. Portis is a better RB than Riggins ever was. Statistically, there's realy no comparison.

Riggins is to CP as Foreman is to Ali.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | January 29, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

periculum

But I don't get it. Of course the first 5 years will be better then the last 5.

So it always a 5 year plan. I not trying to be funny. I really want to understand where you're coming from. So if thats the case our whole teams should be gone. Santa is past 5 and getting old, the line, D-line, LB...and so on.

Yes you need young players. But is RB the number one or two concern for this team now. 4 ranked RB last year.

My thing is can they still be productive (stats) after the 5 years. There is a reason some of those players who played 10 or more years are going to the HOF. They are the best of the best. Only the best play 10 year. We certainly don't have the luxury to change player each and every year.

HOF players do it year in and year out. Yes there stats go down after a couple of years. Just like I use to be faster when I was younger. But I can still run a 4.3 (thats a joke)

But now lets look at all the rest of the 31 teams who change RB's every year. There RB's play only 1-2 years. Is that what we want. Rock and betts will get old too. then were right back at it.

My point is just look at teams like the Lions, bengals, okland, seattle, and we can keep going.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

You get these Old Super Bowl guys in Tampa and, like a lot of ex-players, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothings replaced them…And they fell through the Clinton era, and each has said that somehow these guys are just history. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or drinking or annger to people who aren't like them and express a sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

beep

Posted by: alex35332 | January 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

"OMG!!!!!!! WTF!?!?!?!?! So, his five 100+ yard games meant nothing to them winning games? I don't know who's worse you, or Dickey Cranium in terms of you hate for Portis.

He's the RB get over it, and if you have tme get over yourself. Good GOD!!!!!!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 29, 2009"

Hmmmm, let's see, another imbecile.

last to just before the bye against Pittsburgh:

SF 29 carr. 80 yds 2.8 yds/carr. 1 TD 1 fumbl
PHI 22 carr. 70 yds 3.2 yds/carr. 1 TD
CIN 25 carr. 77 yds 3.1 yds/carr. 0 TD
BAL 11 carr. 32 yds 2.9 yds/carr. 0 TD 1 fumbl
NYG 11 carr. 22 yds 2.0 yds/carr. 0 TD
SEA 29 carr. 143 yds 4.9 yds/carr 0 TD
DAL 15 carr. 68 yds 4.5 yds/carr 0 TD
PIT 13 carr. 51 yds 3.9 yds/carr. 0 TD

So, there was ONLY ONE GAME where he exceed 100 yards in the last 8 games. He scored ONLY 2 TDs in the last 8 games. He lost 2 fumbles.

543 yards on 145 carries for a 3.7 yds/carr. average. Longest run was 22 yards against Pittsburgh.

That is far, far less than mediocre. Like Jason Taylor he definitely DID NOT earn his exorbitant salary. He was terrible!!! in the second half. And he should not completely blame the OL as he did have that 143 yard game against Seattle.

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 29, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

matthewvickers

why did marcus mason not get on a NFL football team and play. he went on baltimore practice squad. Thats not playing.

Again I love him but

why did 32 teams pass on him.

He was the 2 best if not the best RB in the pre-season.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

periculum

Great. I love stats....ok looks like from your stats the last 8 games he played like some shi.. right?

Yes I agree. Clinton portis played bad the last 8 games. I can see the stats...

....but the funny thing is he finished 4 in the NFL....wow

then how bad were the other RB's?

Do we put into account how many carries or QB play or the top 2 defenses he played during that strech. (no one got over 70 and some yards over stelers and b-more)

My thing is yes lets lower his carries and get rock and betts some. Fine but to get rid of him? NO

Picture this.

A good line. and he dosen't play bad the last 8 games?

But reality is he had a bad line and played bad the last 8. Yes and don't stop there.

He finished 4th in the NFL in rushing.

So this concludes that Clinton Portis is the problem?

I don't get it.
I really want to understand where you are coming from. Think about how the other teams feel. They did not have a RB ranked 4th in rushing.

Posted by: 1skinfan | January 29, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a cancer trade him for a second round pick. Draft a young running back with the second round pick. Unless Portis goes Zorn will not make very much progress. Portis can get away with calling out the coach and the team because he has good old Danny Boy in his back pocket. I am sick and tired of players that care more about numbers and their own interests rather than the team. That is why this team will never even come close to a Super Bowl.

Posted by: bigjofc | January 30, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

With zero rushing TD's. Zero passing TD's. The team averages 10 points a game.
NEXT

Posted by: periculum | January 29, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse


Zero rushing TD's huh? Why would the running back have passing td's? Do you mean recieving? Half of your statement is factually inaccurate and the other half is asinine. Congratulations, you qualify for politics.

Also, ring or not, Riggins was not in Portis' league when it comes to talent...or heart. What Riggins needs to do is sit down and shut the hell up.

Posted by: ecale25 | January 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I posted on the old boards for about four or five years, and have resisted the urge to blog hear for the last two, but I can resist no longer.

I have been a loyal keeper of the Redskins flame for the last forty-two years, since I was four. And I say that as a person born and reared near Dallas, and who lives in Dallas now. I literally grew up fighting for my allegiance to the Burgandy and Gold.

I can barely take it any more. this team has for the last decade and a half continued to make on bonehead move after another. I won't go through the whole litany of seemingly hundreds of expensive, over-the-hill bums who have given us little but salary cap grief and/or locker room strife (Deion, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Stanley Richard, etc.) or the ultra-predictably stupid trades where we give up precious picks that we desperately needed in exchange for more bums or the countless stupid decisions to let go of high quality players that we lucked into for well below their value (Pierce, Dockery, Ryan Clark, Walt Harris, K. Lang, M. Patton, Derek Smith, F. Wychek, D. Akers, G. Frerotte, etc.), only to see them go and be stars elsewhere.

And anyone who knows event the most basic info about how the game is palyed knows that it all starts and ends at the line -- both offensive and defnsive. Every program that has enjoyed consistent, long-term success has emphasized not only keeping good youg talent on the line, but also having good depth. The skins built a solid O-line over the last several years, with Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Tomas and Jansen, but they let them get old and didn;t emphasize having good depth and good youth to develop. Ditto on the D-line, although it is better than the O-line.

I have strong views about Portis, the receivers, the linebacking corps, the kicking game, etc., but the biggest single weakness on this team is the O-line, followed by the D-line. this team will NEVER win consistently until the understand this.

Posted by: A1skinsman | January 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Now, a shorter rant: I LOVE Portis' heart and he is an excellent, although not elite running back. But I fear that he is becoming a cancer on this team. There aren't many backs as good as him, but there are plenty who are more than serviceable that would fit the scheme well. With the cap hit and Bett's tendency to cough u the rock at the worst times, it is probably not advisable to jettison CP this off-season, but I wold sure be looking. We should have kept Mason. And I still don't get letting Leigh Torrance go and keeping Tryon AND Moore ...

Posted by: A1skinsman | January 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Firstly, anyone who thinks trading Chris Cooley is a good idea is out of their minds!!! He's one of the best TE's in the league, #2 in receiving on the team, and #4 in the NFL in receiving by a TE. The fact that Campbell couldn't get him the ball more isn't a reflection on CC. It is a reflection on the O-line, and Campbell. Moss had only 195 more receiving yards than CC to lead the team. Now try to imagine the Cowboys without Whitten, or the Chiefs without Gonzalez, and that's what the Skins would be without Cooley.

Secondly, on the topic of who should stay and who should go, I think we have to start looking at Campbell as part of the problem here. He might be a great QB with an iron curtain in front of him, but he has nothing to offer outside of the pocket. Sure, I think Zorn could probably make him a better QB, but he's never going to have the natural flow of young guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. You don't develop great instincts, and Campbell just doesn't have them, whether he's under pressure or not. I will say that he's great at not throwing INT's, but at the same time, not throwing bad passes equates to not taking chances at all, which results in being sacked 38 times. If Zorn is going to stick with Campbell, he needs to forget the deep balls and focus on the short routes. Personally, I would love to see Colt Brennan with a shot at starting QB. He may be unorthodox, but he brings great energy to the field, and every time he stepped on the field during the pre-season he was electrifying. Collins might even be a step in the right direction.

And finally, there's Portis. I'm still up in the air on this one. The guy is a workhorse, and one of the best power RB's in the league.....when he's healthy. Now if he has a strong line in front of him, as he did for the first half of the seaason, there's no question that he should be our #1 guy. But after the line broke down, he got banged up, and that just got compounded week after week. And when you can't effectively throw the football, who else are you going to turn to? CP represented 31% of the Skins total offense from scrimmage, compared to Jacobs 19%, Westbrook 23%, M. Barber 22% across the NFC East. That's a significant stat. When the team is relying on one player that much, that usually indicates one of two things: either you're a phenomenal player, or you're carrying the team. In Portis' case, it's a bit of both. The problem is that Portis can only go that hard for so long without the necessary protection up front, and to expect otherwise is ridiculous.

The O-Line is in need of some serious rebuilding, and the Skins need to draft accordingly. Last year was one of the worst drafts I can remember, and I hope they learned their lesson. Pass protection, run blocking, and if they happen to get the opportunity to draft Florida State kicker Graham Gano, that wouldn't be all bad either.

Posted by: BurgNGold4Eva | February 1, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Are any of you serious?!? Betts should be traded before he can show he is a flop. A legitimat 3rd round pick. Portis NEVER quit not even during the blowouts. Even though I could see Cleveland "willing" to take Portis for maybe a 2 and a 4th rounder. I would do it. Now drafting a Dl one stat that gets overlooked but VERY IMPORTANT for defensive lineman. SHUTTLE RUN-look at the top 5 sack leaders in the NFL and then look at the top shuttle run times YUP 80% of them are the sack leaders. Anyone who has ever played football knows NO ONE plays at the combine 40 speed after the first week of football (injuries, pads, complacency, etc...) check the numbers...

Posted by: BigShawn65 | February 2, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

A little off subject but just curious to the responses. Why did Arizona NOT throw the corner fade to Fitzgerald right before the half that ended up returned for 6. Thats without a doubt the safest play call at that point its either incomplete clock stops, penalty or TD. The slant=defelction, incomplete, INTERCEPTION. Thats one call I have yet heard questioned on ESPN the next is how do you NOT blitz Big Ben at least ONCE on the last drive? You WANT HIM TO RUN the clock is your ally?

Posted by: BigShawn65 | February 2, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Drafting punters and kickers are not good use of draft picks...CP is probably the most marketable player, but trading him significantly increases the workload for the rest of the offensive players unless a stud FA running back is obtained. Perhaps CP could garner a late first rounder and combined with the Skins other draft pick, it's possible for them to move up in the draft.

Posted by: impact32 | February 3, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

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