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Portis gives Shanahan a 'thumbs-up vote'

Jim Zorn still has two more games remaining as the Redskins' head coach, but if the team opts to make a change, former Denver coach Mike Shanahan has already received an endorsement from the team's unofficial "assistant general manager." Injured running back Clinton Portis said today "if they have a change, then of course they would get the thumbs-up vote for me for Coach Shanahan."

"If Coach Zorn is done, I would think that's a great direction to go in, if you can get Coach Shanahan," Portis said during his weekly appearance on "The John Thompson Show" on ESPN 980. "But I don't know if Coach Zorn will be gone."

Portis, who hasn't played since suffering a concussion Nov. 8 and was placed on the season-ending injured reserve liston Dec. 8, said he thinks he could again be an effective running back under Shanahan. Portis began his career playing for Shanahan in Denver, where he twice topped 1,500 yards and scored a combined 31 touchdowns in two seasons. He has topped 1,500 yards just once in six seasons in Washington and has never matched his Broncos touchdown numbers.

"You've seen my track record with Mike Shanahan," Portis said.

With Jon Gruden choosing to remain in the ESPN broadcast booth in 2010 and Mike Holmgren accepting a front-office position in Cleveland, Shanahan seems to be the likely front-runner. Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray has also interviewed, according to multiple sources.

Portis said that he never had a problem with Shanahan, and that he left Denver on his terms.

"Mike Shanahan gave me an opportunity. He asked me, man-to-man, 'Do you want to be here? We can pay you and we'll keep you here. Or if you feel like you want to leave, I will allow that.' So I chose to leave," Portis said.

Since suffering a concussion, Portis has said on multiple occasions that the Redskins would face major changes at season's end, and he wasn't certain he'd fit into the team's plans beyond 2009. Speaking today for the first time since Bruce Allen was hired as general manager last week, Portis acknowledged the team's evaluation process and offered an endorsement for himself and his abilities.

"I think my evaluation would be great," he said. "It just depends on how people feel about you. I'll leave that up to them to decide."

Portis was asked what advice he'd offer Allen in that evaluation process, and it seemed like he'd already given the matter some thought.

"I think you find your playmakers and you put the game on them," he said. "You find out the niches of each of your playmakers and you feed them. ...We got so much talent and as a team, to be in this situation, to not have a go-to guy -- Who's our go-to guy? Who's our bread-and-butter guy? I don't think you can identify that.

"Yesterday I was thinking, 'Who's going to win our offensive MVP at our Redskins' luncheon next year?' So who do you give that to? When you have a quesiton of who your MVP is on offense, I think that's a tough year. Just find a guy and make that your guy. Everybody else got to contribute around him."

By Rick Maese  |  December 22, 2009; 3:46 PM ET
 
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Comments

Wow, Zorn's body isn't even cold yet...

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

First

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Portis talks too much...

Posted by: oh_boy1 | December 22, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

True, we cannot blame everything on Zorn. but you cannot ignore the fact that it is time for him to go. he did his best, i think. to make things better this time, there should not be any crazy firing, like before. also, I believe that it is time Snyder give an interview and apologize to everything he did, coaches he fired, etc. then we will know for sure that he is serious about this team and not the money that he makes from this team.

I am worried about the playoffs, what if the cowpies make it? what if?

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Offensive MVP by default will be JC. Wow, that's sad.

Posted by: oh_boy1 | December 22, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Redskins secondary coach Jerry Gray has also interviewed, according to multiple sources"

Why can't the WaPo let go of this? Jerry Gray was asked point blank last night by Kelli Johnson if he had been interviewed and he said "No." Kelli said he is not a candidate and his contract is up so she fully expects him to be gone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Zorn's body isn't even cold yet...

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 4:00 PM

Body, no, but the brain seems frozen. "That play didn't work because of good defense."

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Please.

On top of everything else this season, after that attempted trick play before halftime, Zorn lost any right he might have had to dignity and respect.

He's the laughingstock of both the football blogs and the mainsteam sports pages (see: NY Times headline "Zorn's Zany Skins"), and he earned it.

Eff him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I am worried about the playoffs, what if the cowpies make it? what if?

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:02 PM

Isn't that what we're hoping for? If they're in the playoffs, they're not in the coaching hunt. And if they're in the playoffs, that's the only way they can be humiliated again, going out in the first round.

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Um, Clinton, the important question isn't whether you want Shanahan. It's whether he wants you.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

We all know Shanahan is coming here. Just f*ckin announce it already.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 22, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Shanny would give Portis a similar glowing reference -- given that he's already shown that he thinks he can do better without him. Hopefully the coach will put CP26 out to pasture along with all of the other overpaid, underperforming wastes of roster space.

Posted by: Vic1 | December 22, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

sounds like the concussion is speaking..lol

Posted by: shally | December 22, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I am worried about the playoffs, what if the cowpies make it? what if?

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:02 PM

Isn't that what we're hoping for? If they're in the playoffs, they're not in the coaching hunt. And if they're in the playoffs, that's the only way they can be humiliated again, going out in the first round.

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

_____________________________

If someone does not want to come here why go after him. F him, that is all the media saying that Shannahan wants to go there, I do not believe a word that the media report.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm gonna laugh in J. Reid's face when it's April and we still don't have a coach.

Posted by: Salinas1 | December 22, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Um, Clinton, the important question isn't whether you want Shanahan. It's whether he wants you.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 22, 2009 4:08 PM

Let's think about this a moment. If Shanny comes he may very well want CP on the roster to serve as a mentor to the younger RB, He always had older vets on staff to pass along some knowledge.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Fantasy Football Playoffs: Round 2

Playoffs mean you better bring your best. And 3 of the 4 teams in the Hamsters league brought it.

A high scoring shootout was anticipated between the top scoring team entering the playoffs, cL’s Carroll Street F Bombers, and the top seed, my Cal Salmon. It turned into the game of the year.

cL dominated early, with huge games from Reggie Wayne and Jamaal Charles. When the first set of games ended on Sunday, cL led 90-30, and the Salmon had already played 4 players, including their top RB and top WR. But it wasn’t over. Aaron Rodgers, Greg Jennings and Vincent Jackson led a furious comeback. Rodgers was en fuego as he tied the single game scoring mark for a QB with 40 points. cL’s guys didn’t let up either, getting a combined 40 more points from desean jax and Philip Rivers in the afternoon games. It all came down to the last Rodgers TD pass. If it goes to Jennings or Driver, the Salmon comeback is complete. But it went to James Jones, and cL hung on for a dramatic 130-127 win, after which, cL apparently required a changed of pants. Several notable marks were hit in this game. The F Bombers 130 point effort was only the 8th time in 178 opportunities that a team scored 130 or more points in a game this season – 3 of the 8 were by the F Bombers. The 127 point effort represented the highest point total for a losing team all year, the prior mark had been 107 points. The combined 257 point total was also the highest scoring game in the league this season, easily beating the prior mark of 235 points.

Suzanne’s Trippin’ Billies also brought a top flight game, while 4th’s Raljohn Realskins didn’t. It was never close, as Realskins had 5 slots deliver 3 points or less. The Billies were led by Maurice Jones-Drew’s 27 and Matt Schaub’s 19. Andre Johnson led Realskins with 20. The final score was 116-66.

Of note in the consolation bracket, Copro defeated Zornskins 90-88. Too bad Zorny didn’t play his bench instead, which totaled 106 points. Jerome Harrison’s monster day and 55 points went unused.

The Hamsters championship game will feature Suzanne’s Billies vs cHRIs LaRrY’s F Bombers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Over in the Peeps league, two teams melted down, but since they played each other, one had to win.

Top seeded NoonefromTampa’s cleverly named Noone Tampa team took on Redcoat’s Fins Eat Skins in the matchup of Floridians. Each team had only 2 players score more than 7 points. This one was decided by the late game on Sunday. Entering the game, Tampa held a 58-43 lead. Sidney Rice and the Vike’s defense added only 7 points for Tampa, leaving the door open for Fins. With 2 stellar RBs going, Fins had a chance. But DeAngelo Williams was hurt early on and Adrian Peterson’s 16 point effort was not enough. Tampa held on for a 65-60 win over a Fins team that was hit hard by key injuries.

Meanwhile, Alex’s Zombie Hord took on my top scoring Futaleufu Swimmers. It seemed like the Futa might win easily when Meacham and Brees combined for just 9 points during the Thursday game. But Futa’s Tom Brady laid an egg of his own and the usually formidable duo of Chris Johnson and Ray Rice delivered modest games. It would be a close match. On Sunday, desean jax, mendenhall, Maroney and Ochocinco all delivered for the Hord. But Vincent Jackson, Greg Jennings and Derrick Mason delivered for the Futa. The Sunday night game began with the Zombie Hord down 16 points, and any upset chances rested on leg of Minny kicker Ryan Longwell. Longwell has a season’s best of 15 points and had a 12 point last week. Alas, he went for -2 points, and the Futa moved on with a 106-88 win.

Of note in the consolation bracket, Nate’s He Nate Me team was the highest scoring team in the Peeps league this week, with 107 points.

The finals will see Tampa’s Tampa team, the top seed, face the second seed, my Futaleufu team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

When are they going to announce Zorn been fired, Please hurry ! Oh Great now the famous fake FG attempt is on Yahoo's front page, is there no end to this embaressment. FIRE ZORN PLEASE !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

GO CAPS!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 22, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

GO CAPS!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 22, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's think about this a moment. If Shanny comes he may very well want CP on the roster to serve as a mentor to the younger RB, He always had older vets on staff to pass along some knowledge.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 4:16 PM

"Mentor".

C'Mon TWISI. I hope you were joking. If so well played.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

GO CAPS!

Posted by: lylewimbledon


AMEN!

Posted by: jandlml | December 22, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis: "I think my evaluation would be great. It just depends on how people feel about you."
Talk about profound! Move over, Aristotle & Socrates. Make room for a new philosopher at the symposium!

Posted by: MrMerkin | December 22, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

My sources tell me Sherman Lewis and Greg Blatche are being interviewed for Co-Head Coach position.

Vinnie will be the defensive line coach.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 22, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Mentor".

C'Mon TWISI. I hope you were joking. If so well played.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 4:22 PM

Lol. I'm just saying, anything is possible.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Why do we have to look like crap on national T.V.?! Zorn please fire yourself.

Posted by: taylormade218

Good point, because as we all know, he assembled that inspiring group that quit Monday night.

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Portis gives Shanahan a 'thumbs-up vote'---REDSKINS INSIDER

Oh good. As long as Portis approves, it's a done deal, right Danny?

Oh, how did Shanahan do post Elway?

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok food for thought before I scoot out of here. Is Okung the type of Olman that Shanny normally drafts? How is he on pulls, reaching the second level?

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, how did Shanahan do post Elway?

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Better than we've done post-JKC...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | December 22, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

cork, its the head coach's job to get the guys on the team ready to play, and they were anything but....its the head coach's job to GAME-PLAN for the upcoming team, to put his players in positions to succeed and he did anything but....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

what is Allen's title? is he in charge of the personnel?

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

2 weeks ago most of us had identified the problem as being one Vinny Cerrato.

I'm left asking myself how, in the course of a week, did JZ roll back time and

a) ignore the O-line in the off-season,
b) whiff in a 3rd round attempt to address it in the draft,
c) overpay Portis, El, Moss, Haynesworth, and a handful of others, and
d) enter the season with the oldest roster in the NFL?

It is ridiculous how near-sighted some people are. This is Vinny's team. Just because Zorn looks like a fool trying to paddle a canoe across the Atlantic does not mean he would run the Queen Mary into the nearest sand bar!

That said, I understand if management wants to blow it up and rebuild, but I was under the impression that when you hire a green coach, change offensive systems, and start to unload vets, you were already signing the order to rebuild. But that's just me calling a thing that walks, quacks, and flaps like a duck, a duck.

The only one who had delusions of grandeur about this team was Vinny, and he's gone. So do we condemn the house as being uninhabitable before the roof goes on? I honestly think our best chance at getting back into the fray is to give a 3rd year Zorn a good line, a decent RB, a FS, and we roll the dice.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 22, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's think about this a moment. If Shanny comes he may very well want CP on the roster to serve as a mentor to the younger RB, He always had older vets on staff to pass along some knowledge.
---------------------------------------------

Portis is a very selfish, arrogant player whom management has enabled to become a monster. I blame Daniel Snyder for allowing Portis to undermine the team and be a toxic influence. Portis has been undermining the coach and the rest of the team for years.

I don't see Portis "mentoring" anyone. As he eve said in previous interviews earlier in the season, while talking about "sticking together", that he only cares about himself and his own needs. Portis is too selfish to do anything else.

And given that he is speaking of Shanahan in glowing terms I wonder if the change in management is illusory. A new GM wouldn't put up with Portis's cr#p.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 22, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Great advice!!! You will BOTH be watching us play from a gay bar in Denver god willing!!!!!

Posted by: iubiquity | December 22, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hey Clinton ...

You were not hired for your intellect

or your opinion ...

why not just

STFU !!!

Posted by: AWWNats | December 22, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen's Bucs did a pretty nice job drafting O-line the last 4 years or so...
Let's all promise to be a good happy fans.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | December 22, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the WaPo let go of this? Jerry Gray was asked point blank last night by Kelli Johnson if he had been interviewed and he said "No." Kelli said he is not a candidate and his contract is up so she fully expects him to be gone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM

Yea, he said no COMMENT!!! Pay attention

Posted by: cnewso01 | December 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Bean -

They cut Zorn's legs out from under him with Sherm, then telegraphed that they are blowing it up and going in a new direction next year by canning Cer-ratsnest and hiring a new GM (what else could that mean?), and you are pounding on Zorn because the players have obviously quite on the whole situation?

C'mon man.

Hang it on Snyder. He's the one undermining all of this.

Embrace the ugly, for that is all we have left for the next few weeks.

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Portis is an ugly player. I really hope to God that the Redskins either trade him or cut him from the team next year. He adds nothing to the team, is way overpaid, and has too many privileges that he frankly hasn't earned. Why does he, of all the 53 players, get a show? Why does Snyder continue to allow him to undermine the coach (and this goes back to last year)?

Whatever the case, when Bruce Allen and Zorn's successor take over, they need to put Portis in his place. Or even better they need to trade this ungrateful arrogant jerk to another term or just cut him. He adds nothing to the team and is a toxic influence in the lockerroom.

I can only imagine what the other 52 men who play with him think. I don't see what value he adds to the team.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 22, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the WaPo let go of this? Jerry Gray was asked point blank last night by Kelli Johnson if he had been interviewed and he said "No." Kelli said he is not a candidate and his contract is up so she fully expects him to be gone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM

Yea, he said no COMMENT!!! Pay attention

Posted by: cnewso01 |

On the Pregame Show Kelli said she asked Gray and he told her he is not a candidate and has not interviewed.

YOU pay attention!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

An offensive tackle prospect whose school claims he runs the 40 in 4.82 seconds.

http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/williams_trent00.html

So when do we start chatting about offensive tackle prospects in the draft? I've seen different sites that talk about the same five near the top, but in a different order after Russell Okung. They look like this Trent fella, Bruce Campbell from Maryland, Charles Brown from USC (I'm assuming he prefers Charles over Charlie ... given that whole Lucy as place holder thing), Selvish Capers from West Virginia, and Anthony Davis from Rutgers.

I also found a site that was high on a Haitian fella named Vladimir Ducasse (Massachusetts). Some places also like Bryan Bulaga from Iowa and Joseph Barksdale from LSU.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen's Bucs did a pretty nice job drafting O-line the last 4 years or so...
Let's all promise to be a good happy fans.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | December 22, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse
____________________________________

Bruce Allen is not here to make picks unless he is the guy on the other end of the phone on draft day... He is here to manage the salary cap & negotiate contracts.

This creates a buffer for Shanahan... Money disputes between player & GM won't cause field disputes between player & coach...

Shanahan will be the personnel decision maker.

Posted by: tony325 | December 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the WaPo let go of this? Jerry Gray was asked point blank last night by Kelli Johnson if he had been interviewed and he said "No." Kelli said he is not a candidate and his contract is up so she fully expects him to be gone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM

Yea, he said no COMMENT!!! Pay attention

Posted by: cnewso01 |

On the Pregame Show Kelli said she asked Gray and he told her he is not a candidate and has not interviewed.

YOU pay attention!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse


Who gives a sh*t? He's not gonna be the coach whether he interviewed or not.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 22, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Portis is right, Who is the offensive MVP

Campbell by far. You find that guy and you build around him.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

..oi, I and I vent some toxic after a night like that..Sorry if it greyed towards anti-semitism, I'm not, but definitely got some issues wid zionism and the Silverstein mossads that zapped 9-11..But Snidely needs to come into the light, positive vibrations, rastafari..

Posted by: frak | December 22, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

or build IN FRONT OF HIM

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

They cut Zorn's legs out from under him with Sherm

And was that a good move, or a bad move?? Because they scored over 30 points for the first time in JZ's 2 year reign after this happened.....

The game plan last night was PATHETIC, and somehow this isn't on Zorn?? How?? I'm no football coach, but even I knew that they had to do something to protect JC with Osi/Tuck among others coming to town...And what did they do?? Nothing...no hot routes, no game plan taking advantage of the giants UP the field charges........JZ lined up his inferior players, against the SUPERIOR DL of the Giants and expected to win that battle...but that is on Snyder???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 4:41 PM

I've seen those same names and all will most likely be gone by Round 2.

We need 2 of those guys.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES WHAT PORTIS THINKS? I don't - he is a lazy over the hill running back whose special relationship with Snyder hurt this team. I hope we do get Shanahan and then I hope Shanahan boots his butt to the curb. Enough of Clinton Tortise...he lost the right to comment on this team when he put himself above the team.

Posted by: Jim31 | December 22, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

["You've seen my track record with Mike Shanahan," Portis said.]

Oh Clinton, that was YEARS ago when you were fast and the Broncos had that great zone blocking offensive line.

Here, you're over the hill, the offensive line is a shambles and Darren Sproles and Ricky Williams are unrestricted free agents (and Pierre Thomas and Ronnie Brown are unrestricted).

But we will remember you fondly.

Posted by: Diamondback1 | December 22, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what Portis thinks. He is a player, not a GM. Bruce Allen's opinion of Shanahan is all that matters. As someone posted earlier, Portis should be more concerned with how Shanahan feels about him, and history shows that he feels he can do just fine without Portis.

Posted by: corky1031 | December 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

On the Pregame Show Kelli said she asked Gray and he told her he is not a candidate and has not interviewed.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:40 PM

In a post-Phillip Daniels' knee blow out, Vinny Cerrato said he had no interest in Jason Taylor. Why is it in anybody's interest to be candid or honest with the media on this type of question at this time, esp. in the middle of a season, before a game, before game planning for the next week ... when the only difference it would make would be to cloak (or not) compliance with the Rooney Rule?

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So when do we start chatting about offensive tackle prospects in the draft? I've seen different sites that talk about the same five near the top, but in a different order after Russell Okung. They look like this Trent fella, Bruce Campbell from Maryland, Charles Brown from USC (I'm assuming he prefers Charles over Charlie ... given that whole Lucy as place holder thing), Selvish Capers from West Virginia, and Anthony Davis from Rutgers.

I also found a site that was high on a Haitian fella named Vladimir Ducasse (Massachusetts). Some places also like Bryan Bulaga from Iowa and Joseph Barksdale from LSU.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

We talk about them almost every week. A lot of folks here are pretty high on Ciron Black from LSU. He appears to be a guy that can step in at right tackle and be very effective. Some also feel that he will eventually turn into a great left tackle.

The one guy I see a lot of that nobody talks about is Jason Fox from Miami.

I think the first thing we need to do is find an identity. If we are west coast then we'll want the smaller more athletic zone blockers. If we want to play smashmouth then we need to get those big bruisers. Which ever way we go we need to do that first then decide who to draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 22, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Why all the hate for Clinton? Most of the things he said are dead on. Plus it's an interview and the last time I checked they ask questions in interviews so he answered them.

Posted by: Moose33 | December 22, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is the only person who deserves the offensive MVP designation. He should also get the courage award for playing behind the Skins OL all year...

The defensive award might be a little tougher. I'm voting for Orakpo. But certainly Carter, Fletcher, and Haynesworth are all pretty valuable to the D...

Posted by: siris | December 22, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

What seems to have happened is that, after Gibbs left, with no one credible wanting to coach the team, Snyder took a placeholder and hoped for the best. Snyder knew that 2010 would probably be an uncapped year, so he hired Zorn and let the chips fall where they may.

To be fair I think that Snyder should have simply fired Zorn at the bye and put in an interim coach. Snyder should have also given him a decent severance package and helped him find a QB coach or assistant coach job elsewhere. That would have been the classier thing to do.

Or even better I would have had Zorn fired last Thursday when they appointed Allen. There's no sense of postponing the inevitable any more. But Snyder didn't do that.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 22, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Vladimir Ducasse

I think this guys is gonna be a player....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I've seen those same names and all will most likely be gone by Round 2.

We need 2 of those guys.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 4:44 PM

Ideally, one of the new OTs comes out of free agency. There IS something to be said for having at least one veteran on an offensive line ... which is why I think the Jets brought in Damien Woody when the did the complete rebuild with D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold.

Also, seems like most of the draft mockery sites have Okung going in the top five (in some, he slips to 7-8) and at least one other OT gets picked in the first round, presumably based on need. The other first roundy looking guys are the one from Maryland and the one from Oklahoma.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

OT, G, FS, RB, FB, QB

1st - OL, FS, or RB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Bean - I was thinking more about the D phoning it in.

T'was an ugly game all around.

Posted by: edvar | December 22, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse


Bean:

They cut Zorn's legs out from under him with Sherm

And was that a good move, or a bad move?? Because they scored over 30 points for the first time in JZ's 2 year reign after this happened.....

The point production actually went up when Vinny endorsed Zorn, not when he installed Lewis. Just an observation.

JZ lined up his inferior players, against the SUPERIOR DL of the Giants and expected to win that battle...but that is on Snyder???

Not sure where you are headed with this logical nugget. JZ had superior players we didn't know about somewhere? Should have distributed some Madden hit sticks to his backs? Forfeited?

Posted by: mattsoundworld | December 22, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

If they blow this thing up in the offseason, and I really think they should, they need to unload ALL the prima donnas. Clinton should be on the first truckload. Anyone who whines about practice, playing time, roles they've been given, etc, is a me-first player, not a team player. We need a coach, with the front office backing him up, who doesn't put up with that garbage. Over excessive celebrations for getting one lousy first down, or one single tackle need to stop, unless it really is a big play. I completely disagree with CP about having one "go-to guy". What happens if he goes down?

Oh, b/t/w, Albert needs to get his fat a$$ in shape in the offseason and come to camp ready to play. If he doesn't seem inclined to do that, trade him. This year he has spent a ridiculous amount of time on the sidelines, and it looks like it's as much about conditioning as it is about injuries.

Posted by: clfrdj | December 22, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, seems like most of the draft mockery sites have Okung going in the top five (in some, he slips to 7-8) and at least one other OT gets picked in the first round, presumably based on need. The other first roundy looking guys are the one from Maryland and the one from Oklahoma.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I honestly can't see KC passing on Okung. They can fix 2 positions at once with him. Taking him allows them to move Albert inside to guard. That should leave Bruce Campbell to us. If we fall behind the Raiders they may take Campbell. If we fall that far then we may look at Trent Williams or Bryan Bulaga.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 22, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

"Ideally, one of the new OTs comes out of free agency. There IS something to be said for having at least one veteran on an offensive line ... which is why I think the Jets brought in Damien Woody when the did the complete rebuild with D'Brickashaw Ferguson and Nick Mangold".

Spot on Sween. The Jets are a great comparison to the Skins. They drafted great OL and added Woody last year.

They followed that up by getting Alan Faneca this year, THEN added a potential franchise QB.

This makes a lot of sense, and maybe Portis could reemerge next year, a la Thomas Jones.

Posted by: ksquare | December 22, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

YOU'VE SEEN MY TRACK RECORD WITH MIKE SHANAHAN! YOU WERE 20 YEARS OLD THEN YOU MORON! YOU WON'T BE AROUND IF SHANAHAN GET'S HIRED, DOLT! HE REALLY IS SOMETHING!

Posted by: matthewrayman | December 22, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's think about this a moment. If Shanny comes he may very well want CP on the roster to serve as a mentor to the younger RB, He always had older vets on staff to pass along some knowledge.

Portis?? Mentor the younger RB? Are you kidding? Mentor to them to do what? Not practice? Create dissension? Verbally attack other players behind their backs?

Get rid of this bum no matter what the cost! He is the opposite of what it takes to be a team player.

Posted by: johnnyreds | December 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's think about this a moment. If Shanny comes he may very well want CP on the roster to serve as a mentor to the younger RB, He always had older vets on staff to pass along some knowledge.

Portis?? Mentor the younger RB? Are you kidding? Mentor to them to do what? Not practice? Create dissension? Verbally attack other players behind their backs?

Get rid of this bum no matter what the cost! He is the opposite of what it takes to be a team player.

Posted by: johnnyreds | December 22, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES WHAT PORTIS THINKS? I don't - he is a lazy over the hill running back whose special relationship with Snyder hurt this team. I hope we do get Shanahan and then I hope Shanahan boots his butt to the curb. Enough of Clinton Tortise...he lost the right to comment on this team when he put himself above the team.
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But the question is whether Snyder will allow Allen (and Shanahan if he becomes coach) to kick him to the curb. This post is also instructive:

I don't - he is a lazy over the hill running back whose special relationship with Snyder hurt this team.
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Will Snyder allow Allen to get rid of Portis if that "special relationship" actually exists? I fault Snyder for enabling Portis and allowing him to become a toxic influence on the team. Snyder has created a monster and I wonder if he will let Allen put Portis in his place.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 22, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Zorn still has his job as of right now just reinforces my belief that Snyder won't fire him until after the season. I think Snyder doesn't want to have "firing two coaches during the season" on his resume.

This is just my guessing, but I think Snyder knows how bad it looked to fire Norv when the team had a winning record and three games left to play. And I think he desperately wants to be well thought of around the league, to wit, as something other than a petulant child who doesn't know the first thing about running a fubbal team. So in my view, Snyder doesn't want to further torpedo his reputation around the league, no matter how bad it gets in the home stretch (and that loss last night should have been the final straw).

I previously predicted Zorn would be fired on the plane ride home from San Diego, but now I think Snyder will go to the locker room after the game, hand Zorn a bus ticket, and tell him to get lost.

Also, panties.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't clear how bad the OL was before last night, it was clear ion the opening series. Campbell dropped back twice and got hit twice -- both times by guys who came in untouched.

Campbell had a terrible night, the pick 6 was as ugly a pass as he's ever thrown.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

sween, he doesn't get a lot of press nationally, but down the road at Oregon Tech there is an outstanding left tackle, this humongous kid named Micheal Wolgenheimer, who is really gonna surprise people at the next level.

Book it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep blaming Campbell for everything...Joe Montana, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady would've been toast last night...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 22, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If CP is done, I would think that an UFA is a great direction to go in at the RB position.

It's obvious that this guy doesn't think about what he says before he says it.

CP, your days of being a productive RB (or a positive member of this team) are so over (actually, cancer is never productive - I'd argue you have never been a positive member of this team).

Please, just do us all a favor and GO AWAY. Take Danny's money and GO AWAY.

Posted by: goodbye26 | December 22, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

And I think he desperately wants to be well thought of around the league, to wit, as something other than a petulant child who doesn't know the first thing about running a fubbal team. ... Also, panties.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 5:09 PM

1. Petulant or not, he is awesome at the electric table football game with the little plastic guys.

2. Also, F Dallas.

3. Wolgenheimer ... does he play well in the Eastern Time Zone? Between Wolgenheimer, Vladimir Ducasse, Ndamokong Suh ... feels like this draft is ready-made to pick guys based on best names ... like the lucky women in the office who wins the NCAA pool after selecting the bracket based on prettiness of uniforms.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

In an on-air interview with ESPN's Stuart Scott prior to Monday night's game against the Giants, Allen said that he hasn't been talking with free-agent coach Mike Shanahan.

Scott asked Allen about the conversations that he has had with Shanahan regarding the possibility of working together in Washington.

Either Allen is lying or this "reporter" is making this up or quoting someone else that made it up. Does the Washington Post have an editor watching what crap is being printed.

Posted by: HelloNewman1 | December 22, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"So in my view, Snyder doesn't want to further torpedo his reputation around the league, no matter how bad it gets in the home stretch (and that loss last night should have been the final straw)".

Agree Nate. Further, my hunch is Shanahan is and has always been the guy. I think Shanahan told Snyder, who to go get as GM.

I think Shanahan was testing Snyder. If Snyder jettison's Vincenzo, maybe change is possible at Ashburn....no?

Posted by: ksquare | December 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

If someone does not want to come here why go after him. F him, that is all the media saying that Shannahan wants to go there, I do not believe a word that the media report.

Posted by: Skins2 | December 22, 2009 4:14 PM

I'm guessing you're a GS-11, based on your understanding of labor markets? NFL coaches aren't paid on a GS scale, choosing where to coach based on proximity to home, babes, prestige, and size of the office.

Where Shanahan wants to go, or whether he coaches at all, will be based in large measure on salary. The fewer people competing for him, the less the 'Skins have to pay.

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Allen has a history of lying to the press in Tampa. Do you think he woke up yesterday and decided to tell the truth from now on out? He told his children's school he wasn't leaving and they'd enroll there next year too...

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 22, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Wait till he tells that first training camp lie to JReid. Ha!

Posted by: rich20ssu | December 22, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Okoye (Nigeria) ... Orakpo (Liberia?) ... Asomugha (Nigeria) ... Atogwe (Nigeria) ... seems like the translation from success in college to success in the NFL is solid for American Africans, esp. on defense. Its not like everybody isn't preparing for definitive proof with the arrival of Suh (Camaroon).

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"You've seen my track record with Mike Shanahan," Portis said.

Clinton my man, that was many years ago when you were alot faster, quicker, healthier, younger and with a much better line. Was it you? Or Denver's line? Because BEFORE you got to Denver, you should have seen Terrell Davis, who may go to the Hall of Fame and has 2 titles. And AFTER you left, they had 3-4 nobodies run wild. You were traded here FOR A FUTURE HALL OF FAMER, which is like trading a VW bug for a late model Benz. Not a good longterm swap. Advantage Denver.

Your yacking explains whats dysfunctional about the losing Skins. A has-been yacking about his former coach in another town.
Wow
But that's the last place skins with only 1 NFC East title in about 18 years.

Posted by: kedavis | December 22, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

"You've seen my track record with Mike Shanahan," Portis said.

Clinton my man, that was many years ago when you were alot faster, quicker, healthier, younger and with a much better line. Was it you? Or Denver's line? Because BEFORE you got to Denver, you should have seen Terrell Davis, who may go to the Hall of Fame and has 2 titles. And AFTER you left, they had 3-4 nobodies run wild. You were traded here FOR A FUTURE HALL OF FAMER, which is like trading a VW bug for a late model Benz. Not a good longterm swap. Advantage Denver.

Your yacking explains whats dysfunctional about the losing Skins. A has-been yacking about his former coach in another town.
Wow
But that's the last place skins with only 1 NFC East title in about 18 years.

Posted by: kedavis | December 22, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Why can't the WaPo let go of this? Jerry Gray was asked point blank last night by Kelli Johnson if he had been interviewed and he said "No." Kelli said he is not a candidate and his contract is up so she fully expects him to be gone.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 22, 2009 4:05 PM

Yea, he said no COMMENT!!! Pay attention

Posted by: cnewso01 |

On the Pregame Show Kelli said she asked Gray and he told her he is not a candidate and has not interviewed.

YOU pay attention!

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Who the hell is "Kelli" and why is supposed to matter to us? I honestly don't care what "Kelli" said.

Posted by: Urnesto | December 22, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The fact that ANY player feels comfortable enough to discuss a possible replacement before the season is over shows just how much Zorn has been de-balled by $nyder.

This disrespectful troll will never field a winner; he could spend his money and clone Lombardi and he'd STILL go 7-9.

Posted by: kahlua87 | December 22, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Portis is washed up. He doesn't run hard, isn't fast and has no quicks. Bad attributes for an RB. Buhbye...

Posted by: knight1977 | December 22, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

sween, I think you're on to something...

Mrs. Allen in 2012--"Lets see, I told Bruce to take 2 Aprils ago...Wolgenheimer...you mean I WON??!!!!"

Brilliant, likewise must be Mr. Belichick's secret weapon.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

On one of the draft mockery sites, there was an RB, Trindon Holliday, who is labeled a "return specialist" ... and allegedly the fastest college player EVER with a 4.27 time in the 40. The thing is, do you risk a draft pick on a running back who is 5'5"? Or maybe the idea would just be that he does both PR and KR (he does do both ... and returned two each for TDs). Amateur GM dcsween says yes ... and adios ARE. [Still like Rock for S-teams tackling, but Yoder is my new S-teams captain.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

On Zorn's brilliant fake FG:

Kornheiser: "Zorn should have been fired at halftime."

Wilbon: "It was sad. That whole incident was just sad."

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4765640&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines

OMG! IF JReid was covering the Saints, he'd be flipping out right now about what a mistake it is to let go of such an important, reliable kicker this late in the season and replacing him with an unknown.

Posted by: jcabana | December 22, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't see any rational defense of Jim Zorn after last night's knee-slappingly funny trick play.

And I don't believe he did it as "revenge" as Weirdo Wise suggested.

I believe Zorn is the Richie Cunningham of the head coaching fraternity.

Did you see the look on his face when the sideline cameras zoomed in on him? His demeanor in the locker room interview?

He's a nice, personable man, but he's as NAIVE as a kid in a Norman Rockwell painting.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

They cut Zorn's legs out from under him with Sherm

And was that a good move, or a bad move?? Because they scored over 30 points for the first time in JZ's 2 year reign after this happened.....

The game plan last night was PATHETIC, and somehow this isn't on Zorn?? How?? I'm no football coach, but even I knew that they had to do something to protect JC with Osi/Tuck among others coming to town...And what did they do?? Nothing...no hot routes, no game plan taking advantage of the giants UP the field charges........JZ lined up his inferior players, against the SUPERIOR DL of the Giants and expected to win that battle...but that is on Snyder???

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 22, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse
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YEah, its on Snyder because when he bought the team they had Norv with his football philosophy of a balanced attack; then Snyder wanted a run and shoot with Spurrier; then he wanted back to a power runninng and solid defense; then he wanted a west-coast offense.

SO you've got a whole bunch of players no suited to play the style of the month the owner wants. I mean, what is next? Maybe he'll go a a Dan Coryel-style aerial attack?

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 22, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

BA didn't lie last night, he artfully dodged the questions. There is a difference, and its to be expected. Once Zorn made it to the podium today still the coach, it became apparent he will finish out the last two games.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"kid named Micheal Wolgenheimer..."

Mikey Wogo in the hizzie... he's that dude for rella!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell is "Kelli" and why is supposed to matter to us?

Posted by: Urnesto | December 22, 2009 5:30 PM

Kelli Johnson = Strawberry Shortcake ... because strawberry shortcake is delicious, that's why.

RomoLongballs ... the Pats found Sebastian Vollmer (Germany) because he was a college WRESTLER. The guy is pure stud at OT ... and during the draft, everyone was asking "who?"

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Probably better if the Cowboys get into the playoffs. Im praying Wade Phillips keeps his job so we don't have to compete with the Cowgirls for a new head coach.

Posted by: gam2b | December 22, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

portis and campbell rushing = 709 yds.
rest of rushers = 692 yds.

OMG! better get rid of portis and campbell

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone, Bruce Allen I guess needs to get these players to have a gag order or something. Zorn isn't gone yet and this whole thing is turning into an even bigger circus than it already was. They probably ought to just fire him now. The charade is ridiculous.

Posted by: skinswest | December 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Trindon Holliday, 5'5" and 160 pounds

http://www.lsusports.net/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=27812&SPID=2164&DB_OEM_ID=5200&ATCLID=233482&Q_SEASON=2007

Check out the bit about wearing high tops to the LSU camp ... there is something to love about a guy labelled a "freak"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trindon_Holliday

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"YEah, its on Snyder because when he bought the team they had Norv with his football philosophy of a balanced attack; then Snyder wanted a run and shoot with Spurrier; then he wanted back to a power runninng and solid defense; then he wanted a west-coast offense."

Posted by: vmrg1974


Pretty much on point until that last part about Dan wanting the WCO.

That one is on Cerrato.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

RomoLongballs ... the Pats found Sebastian Vollmer (Germany) because he was a college WRESTLER. The guy is pure stud at OT ... and during the draft, everyone was asking "who?"
Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

That is actually a great idea. Some commentator on Sunday complimented some DE rookie's use of leverage on a rush, but few in the world would know more about that than a NCAA wrestler.

Draft Brock 2010 (half kidding, dude needs a new challenge)

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Shanahan DOES take his show to Chicago instead?

[Also, I heart Lovie Smith.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Once Zorn made it to the podium today still the coach, it became apparent he will finish out the last two games.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 22, 2009 5:37 PM

His punishment for screwing up the first 14 games is that he has to coach the last two games.

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Portis has given his blessing to Mike Shanahan. I was worried he might not approve. Portis is not the kind of guy you want on your team, he's in it for himself it seems. I am wondering how hard he hit his head that he would throw his coach under the bus. WHoever the next coach is, Portis should be the #1 change - let him go and absorb any cap hit now. He adds nothing to the team now. There is no "I" in TEAM. Someone needs to let Portis know that. Maybe he and Vinny and Danny can jet together on the next scouting trip.

Posted by: bfjam | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Shanahan DOES take his show to Chicago instead?

[Also, I heart Lovie Smith.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM

Then we sign Lovie Smith.

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

There is no "I" in TEAM.

Posted by: bfjam | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM

Big deal. There is a ME in TEAM and it serves the same porpoise.

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Check out the bit about wearing high tops to the LSU camp ... there is something to love about a guy labelled a "freak"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trindon_Holliday
Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

A freaky little offensive Darrel Green? Pencil me in as an "aye".

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 22, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Shanahan will sign in Dallas as soon as they miss the playoffs (or get bounced out in the first round).

Wade Phillips will be gone and it is well known that Shanahan LOVES him some ROMO.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | December 22, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"What happens if Shanahan DOES take his show to Chicago instead"?

Lots of talk about Lovie going, but I've heard lots of talk last night about Bears going after Mike Heimerdinger (sp?).

He worked with Big Ben early on, then Cutler in Denver, and now Vince Young. He's the hot OC/next HC candidate this year I guess.

Posted by: ksquare | December 22, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone bashing Portis? it's true that his production has fallen, but this oline sucks so bad I cannot blame him for that. I can't fairly grade Jason Campbell either. Clinton has had problems with Zorn from the beginning cause he knew right away what it took the rest of us over a year to find out, and instead of marching in line he bucked up. I hate yes men, and Portis was just telling the truth. Yes, he is selfish, but when he got on the field he gave everything he had. Gibbs got him to play hard, but Zorn could not, so it must be Portis, right? Zorn is/was over his head as a coach, and the sooner Shanahan gets here, the sooner Portis can ball out. Draft a tackle, keep JC, and get another rb for the future to replace Portis in 2 yrs.

Posted by: dolemite1 | December 22, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Of note in the consolation bracket, Nate’s He Nate Me team was the highest scoring team in the Peeps league this week, with 107 points.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 4:18 PM

Forever 4-12s vs. He Nate Me. 7th place on the line! Yes RI Peeps, this contest is GUAR-AN-TEED to be more exciting than Redskins vs. Giants last night.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Dang, we better finish with a worse record than Chicago, because there's no chance Heimerdinger would pass on Wolgenheimer.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

our O line is ranked 7th in QB hits @ 82

from nfl.com's recently added offensive line statistics

6th in sacks @ 41

probably should blame the campbell and portis for that

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

this contest is GUAR-AN-TEED to be more exciting than Redskins vs. Giants last night.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 5:53 PM |

How many points is a fake FG worth in fantasy football?

Posted by: League-Source | December 22, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can take another ten years of this. But then what?

Posted by: Mdotty | December 22, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

RomoLongballs, Kelly Gregg (Ravens' NT) used to be a championship collegiate heavyweight wrestler ... there is something to be said about guys who have a sense of their center of gravity and how to use it to their advantage.

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"Shanahan will sign in Dallas as soon as they miss the playoffs (or get bounced out in the first round)".

FWIW, Mortenson and Schefter said the other day that Jerra is riddled with a lot of new stadium debt, and might not want a high priced coach next year.

They also said Jerra could turn to a lower priced option like Jason Garrett or bringing back Mike Zimmer, with the impact he's had in Cincy this year.

Posted by: ksquare | December 22, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

dolemite

i can dig it

keep portis and campbell, draft OL, RB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

4-12, your fantasy team is more bad than my fantasy team, and the proof of that particular pudding will be in the eating. By which I mean you're going down next Sunday. There, trash has been talked.

Playing for the consolation championship has really made the investment in fantasy F-ball worthwhile. I savor the opportunity to hoist whatever the opposite of a Lombardi is.

So the Redskins could really finish 4-12... after just missing with that 5-11 mark in '06, when I think your moniker was born. Wouldn't that just feel terrific?

*sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Also, found 2 tix for the [F] Dallas game, right behind the Skins bench. Kost52 and I will serenade Zorn with the "Nah nah nah....Hey hey hey....Goodbye" song at the end of the game.
Classless? Yes. Immature? Yes. Necessary? Hellz to the yes.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"I savor the opportunity to hoist whatever the opposite of a Lombardi is."


We're playing to hoist the "Zorn Trophy."

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Love that all sixteen games in week 17 are scheduled in two time slots on Sunday afternoon. None of this sprinkling the games all through the week nonsense.

Maybe the Chargers will have locked up the second seed in the AFC and will rest everyone, giving us a chance to go 2-0 on the road against the AFC West this season... not that it will matter one tiny bit...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

A 4-12 finish would feel as terrific as my back felt after digging out from 2 feet of snow.

I'm waiting for 4thFloor to blame my blog-moniker-negativity on the Redskins suckage.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I love it, 4-12. After I win the consolation championship by crushing your team -- the team which is even more pathetic than mine -- I'm going to fashion a little zee shape out of alumin(i)um foil and put it right here on my desk to tell the world I'm an anti-champion.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Or, in English, I'm waiting for 4thFloor to blame the Redskins suckage on my blog-moniker-negativity. Misplaced phrases, like such as.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Will someone FIRE ZORN ALREADY !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Chargers will have locked up the second seed in the AFC and will rest everyone, giving us a chance to go 2-0 on the road against the AFC West this season... not that it will matter one tiny bit...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

And ruin Norv's perfect December coaching record as Bolts HC?

Gosh, Norv's probably looking forward to thanking Danny for showing him the door here.

Payback is a beeeatch.

Posted by: ksquare | December 22, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

why do you sheep still support this train wreck?

Posted by: smc635 | December 22, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Actually Nate, I think the "winner" should be the team with the lowest score. But no cheating...we actually have to use players who are active on gameday.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

True, true, ksquare, and beyond the revenge angle, Norval's going to be busy building expectations in order to really crush their fan base with his annual playoff flameout.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 22, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

cartwright or ganther would have to average 140 yds per over the next 2 to rush for more than Portis this year

whereas Davis easily surpassed Cooley

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

The last paragraph of the story above will tell you all that you need to know about that idiot Portis! I am sure that he wants that award for best off. player. He also wants to be the go to guy next year. He says everyone around him has to contribute.There he goes again throwing everybody under the bus! The selfish S.o.b. is not and never will be a team player! Who the heck cares if he gives the thumbs up to the next coach or not! I hope he is not here to see the next coach of this team! He and all other me players on this team is what is wrong with this team! The whole NFL knows if you come to the Redskins you will get a big payday and you can do what you want! He wants to be the go to guy? Yeah right! Go to the bus station and get your ticket out of town! Take that idiot who was celebrating his touchdown last night with you! Two me first players that do not know what team means! Get out of Snyders head!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 22, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

What are you an idiot? How many games have Ganther and Cartwright started compared to Clinton? How many carries have they had compared to Clinton? Tell me right now who your junior high math teacher is and I'll be sure to give smack them across the chops.

Posted by: ga8085 | December 22, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

That last comment was for mama portis, aka pabrian. You cannot be that dumb

Posted by: ga8085 | December 22, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Boy oh boy. Does our assistant GM have a self inflated view of himself. The offensive MVP would be Cambell. He is gutsy and a leader unlike portis who cant be bothered to spent enough time to train. He is the main reason for team becoming dysfunctional. Portis, do us all a favor...please retire or request thereby giving us the opportunity to thinkl of you and your accompolishment in a fond manner. Happy holidays and dont let the door hit you on the way out .

Posted by: maz3 | December 22, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Shanahan DOES take his show to Chicago instead?

[Also, I heart Lovie Smith.]

Posted by: dcsween | December 22, 2009 5:44 PM

We'll get to see how much control Bruce Allen really has.

Posted by: skinswest | December 22, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

hey SkinnyWest..
the charade is worth millions to Zorn.. He is pis-sing off Snyder and not resigning.... If Snyder wants Zorn to leave, he'll have to change the locks at REdskins Park while Zorn is at the Dulles Marriott Redskins Christmas party.
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Someone, Bruce Allen I guess needs to get these players to have a gag order or something. Zorn isn't gone yet and this whole thing is turning into an even bigger circus than it already was. They probably ought to just fire him now. The charade is ridiculous.

Posted by: skinswest | December 22, 2009 5:42 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

That last comment was for mama portis, aka pabrian. You cannot be that dumb

Posted by: ga8085 | December 22, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh don't underestimate peabrain. He takes dumb to different level....you know the hockey helmet wearing, short bus riding type.

Posted by: ksquare | December 22, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Who really cares what Clinton Portis thinks. He's over rated and at the very end of his playing days.

Posted by: mole | December 22, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Hey folks- I believe this is what we want right!? CHANGE...and if CP endorsement is to get Shanahan and kick Zorn head to the curb, then I'm all 4 it.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

the whole team quit last night. Since it's no big secret Zorn in gone, then he should be gone tomorrow. I'm not sold on Shanahan as the next coach, I would prefer Cowhler, a hard nose in your face Head Coach. Can anyone on the team cover a receiver? The offensive line was horrible.

If I were the GM:

Contracts no longer determine the starters!

Retain the Lewis Brothers.
Fire all defensive coaches

Re-sign JC. Try to position to get Matt Barkley or the QB at Stanford in two or three years. Both were Freshman this year, but are big and strong like Ben Rothlesburger.

Make trades (Cooley, Moss, for more draft picks)

Draft OL DB's and RB's

What a BS game

Posted by: ccwbambam | December 22, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Portis quote from this article.....
""Yesterday I was thinking, 'Who's going to win our offensive MVP at our Redskins' luncheon next year?' So who do you give that to? When you have a quesiton of who your MVP is on offense, I think that's a tough year."
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So he wasnt "thinking" how can I help the younger running backs prepare for this game? He wasnt thinking.. "They are paying me millions, the least I can do is assist the coaches in prepping the RBs"..

No, he was thinking about "MVP awards".. How typical of the "Portis narcissism". He was probably thinking... "I might get that award since there is no clear choice after my injury.".

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

"Or even better I would have had Zorn fired last Thursday when they appointed Allen. There's no sense of postponing the inevitable any more. But Snyder didn't do that."

Well it had the same effect, the players quit. Leave it to Snyder to do that just before a Monday night game against the Giants.

If Allen has any authority, he'll tell Portis to shut up. If not - Allen is just another Snyder stooge.

Posted by: AlohaFan | December 22, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

and I don't care what people think but, JZ deverse all this neg attention. The dude (JZ) sold us a freakin pipe dream...

It's freakin bad when ur team playing and you don't even want to watch them...I turn my T.V to ANIMAL PLANET last night.. damn shame!!

What happen to the good ole days when you knew we were going to make some adjustment out of halftime...huh?!

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Who f'in' cares what CP thinks.

Posted by: richs91 | December 22, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

hey SkinnyWest..
the charade is worth millions to Zorn.. He is pis-sing off Snyder and not resigning.... If Snyder wants Zorn to leave, he'll have to change the locks at REdskins Park while Zorn is at the Dulles Marriott Redskins Christmas party.
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Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 6:25 PM

It is kind of funny, but all Snyder has to do is fire him now. Pretty simple really.

Last night was bad enough. If Dallas does this to them this weekend that'll be really tough to take. And you know the Dallas defensive guys will see how bad the skins were picking up stunts. JC may be in for another rough day.

Posted by: skinswest | December 22, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with you AlohaFan (does that mean you leaving or coming?)

The team was not and is not there for Zorn, anymore.... You could see it in that one photo of Zorn speaking to Campbell after that INT Campbell threw that went for a TD. Campbell is looking at Zorn like he was looking at a tv interviewer.. Disppassionate and distant.
JC has 30 million in the bank.. he doesnt get better and doesnt care. Never had to fight for his job since it was handed to him because of his draft position and Contract size. Not like the other NFL teams where players have to fight in practice each week to win a start on Sunday. Giants, Colts and Pats are 3 that come to mind with that philosophy. Not the Redskins.. and it shows.
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"Or even better I would have had Zorn fired last Thursday when they appointed Allen. There's no sense of postponing the inevitable any more. But Snyder didn't do that."

Well it had the same effect, the players quit. Leave it to Snyder to do that just before a Monday night game against the Giants.

If Allen has any authority, he'll tell Portis to shut up. If not - Allen is just another Snyder stooge.

Posted by: AlohaFan | December 22, 2009 6:37 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Allen may have authority, though I doubt its what he claimed during the broadcast last night. However, even authority comes with constraints, and Danny may not be willing to let Allen toss away money. For example, Danny may not let Allen get rid of Portis because of all the money he is guaranteed. I can see Danny saying that if he is going to pay him $7million, then he needs to be on the roster.

I really think Snyder is looking at his finances and wondering how financially sound this organization is. He may sell 90,000 tix a game, but he'll be hard pressed to raise ticket prices and he's been maxing out payroll for quite a while. I don't think the boxes are selling all that well and its hard to imagine an uptick in merchandise. The team's asset value is underwritten by the waiting list for tix, and I still think that long list has lots of holes in it.

One of the things I noticed this weekend was how many NFL stadiums had lots of empty seats, even in venues where snow wasn't an issue. I'm not saying this is going to happen for the Redskins in the near future, but I think the fan base is diminishing. I'm guessing Snyder has noticed the same things.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"We got so much talent and as a team, to be in this situation, to not have a go-to guy -- Who's our go-to guy? Who's our bread-and-butter guy? I don't think you can identify that."
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Shanahan will definitely not identify Portis as that go-to guy! He will just identify Portis as just a "go-away guy"! He dumped Portis once and he will do it again, no matter how Portis is trying to use the Press to manipulate his relationship with Shanahan (If he comes here).

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 22, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I can't see any coaches surviving if ZORN is gone, especially JERRY GRAY. Look at the great techniques employed by the players under his tutelige. Enough to gag a maggot. I wouldn't even retain JOE BUGEL, who has been the steadiest teacher on the current cadre of misfits. GREG BLATCHE, see you. MIKE SHANAHAN should bring in his own crew of coaches.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 22, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This whole CP stuff is crazy. All he's saying is that this team doesn't have an identity or a defined "go to guy" and we turn it in to a CP is selfish rant. What has he done to exhibit "selfish" behavior?

You don't become regarded as the best blocking RB in the league by being selfish. And please stop with the practice crap too. The RB position is the most physically grueling position on the field and few RBs do "practice" everyday.

Its funny how most read the Chris Cooley bit about the "carousel of calls" and said nothing. But CP is a bad dude just because da Mayor told you so? Please.....

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

You don't become regarded as the best blocking RB in the league by being selfish. And please stop with the practice crap too. The RB position is the most physically grueling position on the field and few RBs do "practice" everyday.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse


I agree.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

saw that Devin Thomas has a sprained ankle. Anyone know when that happened?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I've been thinking about it all day and have come up w/ the logic of the fake FG. It's an option play and it makes perfect sense. 7 Redskins line off in a seemingly ridiculous position on the left sidelines. The kicker counts the number of defenders that are covering the 7 Redskins in the seemingly ridiculous position. If it's fewer than 8, the kicker joins them to give them an extra man in the ridiculous position. If 8 defenders are over there, they kick the field goal. "But doesn't that leave 3 guys rushing the kicker w/ only the center to block 3 guys?" Uh.... oh.... maybe it isn't such a good play after all.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 22, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

saw that Devin Thomas has a sprained ankle. Anyone know when that happened?

Posted by: zcezcest1

I believe it happened during one of the kick returns.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for 4thFloor to blame my blog-moniker-negativity on the Redskins suckage.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 22, 2009 6:08 PM

Blame for the season falls on Zorn and Vinny.

Zorn failed to adapt around what he had....and Vinny introduced us (those under 35) to Jim Zorn.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 22, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

You don't become regarded as the best blocking RB in the league by being selfish. And please stop with the practice crap too. The RB position is the most physically grueling position on the field and few RBs do "practice" everyday.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree.

Posted by: taylormade218 | December 22, 2009 7:13 PM
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Totally disagree. Portis masquerades as being injured to get out of practice. He's lazy, but he has had the good fortune to be a natural athlete gifted with skills few running backs have. He's now entering the twilight of his career where he can only stick around if he gets serious and puts his nose to the grindstone. I'm not sure he can do it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 22, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

But, I will give Portis credit where credit is due. He is a political animal. He knows when the winds are changing and who to bet on. It didn't take him long at all to jump on the Shanny wagon, despite his history with the coach. I got a new character for Portis to portray: South Side Sycophant Jerome.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 22, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Totally disagree. Portis masquerades as being injured to get out of practice. He's lazy, but he has had the good fortune to be a natural athlete gifted with skills few running backs have. He's now entering the twilight of his career where he can only stick around if he gets serious and puts his nose to the grindstone. I'm not sure he can do it.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

How do you know he's faking being injured? So what you are telling us is that his athleticism is far superior to the others in the league that he's had success by being lazy and not working hard? I'm not sure I'm buying that.

I will that he's heading towards the end of career. He still has 2 years left in him. A speed back is needed to carry some of the load.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The running game has sucked big time this year. But....Who has run the ball more effectively this year than Portis?

Betts? No

Cartright? No

Ganther? No

They should definitely draft a RB in the later rounds, especially if Blount falls to the 4th or 5th round (Diesel is going to give me a hard time about my love of Blount, I know, lol) and consider keeping Portis for 2010.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

of course he does cause it reminds him of his glory days in denver... when he used to be good.

he should be in the first wave of cuts - with all the other divas on the skins who do quite a bit of talking and quite a bit of losing (ie moss making a catch for a gain all game, down by 24, spinning the ball in the giants face... you are pathetic)

the skins offense got noticeably better without him because there are guys like ganther and betts (before he got hurt) who actually hit the holes with speed...

so many guys on this team miss the point of all of it, as was exhibited by their embarrassing effort last night. i have middle school kids who show more heart than most of those guys did last night. they are adults playing a game for money and they don't even have the respect for the fans who help pay their salaries to show up for the game. ridiculous....

and it would have been nice to see zorn lay into someone - if you havent seen this before check out boudreau ripping ovechkin on saturday and how he responded... like the champion he is.

Posted by: sfriedman32 | December 22, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Todd did that in KC too on his first drive then the defense adjusted. What did he do after that? O yeah, nothing. Todd can't throw to the sidelines. All he can do is float the ball over the middle. He lacks the arm strength to do anything else.

Posted by: PAskins
Exactly how dense are you my friend?
The point is an immobile, old, back-up QB made much more accurate throws with the same O-line that your precious, over-hyped, enough already, 5 years later QB. Could the D adjust and stop him? Maybe, but he threw those passes that JC didn't.
I still think the reason Mosss spun the ball is out of frustration for JC never throwing the ball to him and here comes TC and all of a sudden Moss is open. JC isn't the only problem, but he's not the long term solution either. If he had the great wall of china blocking and 3 hall of fame WR's, and a hall of fame rb, then he'd be ok, otherwise, he holds us back.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | December 22, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

How do you know he's faking being injured? So what you are telling us is that his athleticism is far superior to the others in the league that he's had success by being lazy and not working hard? I'm not sure I'm buying that.

I will that he's heading towards the end of career. He still has 2 years left in him. A speed back is needed to carry some of the load.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 7:40 PM
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I don't believe in miracle recoveries every Sunday. In most coaches' world, if you don't practice all week, you don't play, but Portis seems to be exempt from this rule.

And just because I say he's lazy doesn't mean he hasn't worked. Gibbs got him to work out in the offseason and add bulk. Gibbs made sure he practiced. I think Portis was still lazy, but Gibbs wouldn't let up on expecting more out of him. I suspect Shanahan was the same way.

I think Portis' future is up to him. I believe the team will give him every opportunity to fail because of the investment they have in him, but ultimately it falls on Portis' shoulders to get his body right and get serious about playing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 22, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

They should definitely draft a RB in the later rounds, especially if Blount falls to the 4th or 5th round (Diesel is going to give me a hard time about my love of Blount, I know, lol) and consider keeping Portis for 2010.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2009 7:42 PM

You love Blount
Pa17 loves Ciron Black
Moe loves Spiller and himself
pabrian & dcwun loves JC & Portis
The Dork loves Zorn
Jason Ried loves Suisham
4th has no love for anything or anyone

I'm just happy you're finally admitting it. If he is there in the 4th or even the 5th, that would be a steal.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Can't Spell "Philadelphia" without the letters "Class"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2isksLw0jW8

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a Redskins Sports Column as slovenly and careless as the Redskins effort Monday Night..

John Corcoran does the honors...

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | December 22, 2009 7:57 PM

Not a bad effort by you considering you weren't trying. That should be your new mantra.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

don't believe in miracle recoveries every Sunday. In most coaches' world, if you don't practice all week, you don't play, but Portis seems to be exempt from this rule.

And just because I say he's lazy doesn't mean he hasn't worked. Gibbs got him to work out in the offseason and add bulk. Gibbs made sure he practiced. I think Portis was still lazy, but Gibbs wouldn't let up on expecting more out of him. I suspect Shanahan was the same way.

I think Portis' future is up to him. I believe the team will give him every opportunity to fail because of the investment they have in him, but ultimately it falls on Portis' shoulders to get his body right and get serious about playing.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Agree with most of the last paragraph.

There are no miracle recoveries. Again, the physicality of the position is tough. Steven Jackson, Adrian Peterson, and Tomlinson don't practice everyday during the week. Neither did Tiki Barber or Marshall Faulk. This isn't out of the ordinary for RBs.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

saw that Devin Thomas has a sprained ankle. Anyone know when that happened?

Posted by: zcezcest1

I believe it happened during one of the kick returns.

Posted by: dcwun

the KO return was the last play he was in according to the play by play recap.

I know I said it before. Thomas should not have been returning kicks. He should be developing as a WR, ONLY. Not wasting time and risking injury on punt or kickoff returns. He ha such a long way to go as a WR, and is finally beginning to show that he can play at this level.

I completely blame Zorn for this. He has got to know that developing Thomas at WR is more important than having him be a return guy.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The running game has sucked big time this year. But....Who has run the ball more effectively this year than Portis?

Betts? No

Cartright? No

Ganther? No

They should definitely draft a RB in the later rounds, especially if Blount falls to the 4th or 5th round (Diesel is going to give me a hard time about my love of Blount, I know, lol) and consider keeping Portis for 2010.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 22, 2009 7:42 PM
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I want you to subtract the one long run Portis had in the first game of the season and see how his numbers stack up to the other guys. Keep in mind that Portis also had the benefit of running behind an offensive line containing Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas. Ganther has only been the starter for two weeks. Even though it is not an apples to apples comparison, I would say Ganther has done more than Portis. I am not suggesting Ganther is the answer at running back, only that he is better than Portis at everything except blocking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 22, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

want you to subtract the one long run Portis had in the first game of the season and see how his numbers stack up to the other guys. Keep in mind that Portis also had the benefit of running behind an offensive line containing Chris Samuels and Randy Thomas. Ganther has only been the starter for two weeks. Even though it is not an apples to apples comparison, I would say Ganther has done more than Portis. I am not suggesting Ganther is the answer at running back, only that he is better than Portis at everything except blocking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

Are you serious? He's not even better than an injured Portis at anything. How easily we forgot that CP was in the pro bowl last year. Let Ganther get at least 80 yards rushing in a game first before you start that comparison.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Portis: = no class learn to keep your mouth shut and grow up while you get traded!

Posted by: kidvid | December 22, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

pabrian & dcwun loves JC & Portis
The Dork loves Zorn
Jason Ried loves Suisham
4th has no love for anything or anyone

I'm just happy you're finally admitting it. If he is there in the 4th or even the 5th, that would be a steal.

Posted by: Diesel44

OK, I can't fully deny this but you forgot to add Rock Cartwright to J Reid's list.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Clinton has had problems with Zorn from the beginning cause he knew right away what it took the rest of us over a year to find out, and instead of marching in line he bucked up. I hate yes men, and Portis was just telling the truth. Yes, he is selfish, but when he got on the field he gave everything he had. Gibbs got him to play hard, but Zorn could not, so it must be Portis, right?
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That's the problem: Portis is selfish. Portis didn't "give everything he had". If he did would have practiced in the preason and between games. He didn't. Portis is being paid to work all days of the week, not just Sunday and when he feels like. He just isn't a professional.

You write:

"Gibbs got him to play hard, but Zorn could not, so it must be Portis, right?"

Yes it is Portis. Players are supposed to follow their coaches' instruction. But this is primarily the fault of Snyder, who allowed Portis to disrespect the coach. Portis enabled Snyder to publicly undermine Zorn at every opportunity--and this was before the losing streak started.

A competent owner wouldn't have allowed Portis to get out of control like that, but Snyder isn't like that. A competent would have backed Zorn up and put Portis in his place. If the owner won't respect the coach--or at the very least back his authority--it's no wonder that Portis has been able to be a toxic influence on the team.

But Portis is selfish. They are paying him to play and that means also practicing and participating in the preseason. That Snyder allowed him to get out of control is one of the major faults of the team.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 22, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Let me start this conversation by highlighting two things .

I am more then three hundred pounds and also, I grew up in seattle, worshipping Jim Zorn as the Seattle quarterback. since then i moved to DC in 90 and became a die hard Redskin supporter.

1. Last night had several plots witihn a game. IT showed the rest of the world the dysfunctional family that Redskins have becoem . You can see friction within defense unit and also friction within offensive unit and also between offense and defense.
2. I am not a big fan of fat Albert . He is lazy and you can see that he was gasping for air in the first few minutes of the game. Earn your keep "fat Albert"

3. We should have fired Jim Zorn last night right at the half time when he tryy to play his mind games against Dan . IT is not about Dan. The play hurted the die hard redskin fans. how dare he, try to make our beloved team a laughing stock of NFL . Fire Him and Fire him before he brings more disgrace to the Redskins...

4. I ask all of you who have the game on the dVR to see his facial reaction and body language after the missed field gaol.

5. Jim this is not your team . It belongs to Snyder and this team has loyal and hardworking loyal fans . Do not run your personal agendas during the game . Because when you will be enjoying your million of dollars , we would be answering to our beloved cowboy and giants and philadelphia friends.

6. Last but not least, Wehn the fight started, nobody came to Hall defense except Fat Albert. when the penalty came, where was Zorn or the Defensiv e coaches, jumping up and down crying bloody murder . if you do not show loyalty to your players dont expect them to give you 110 percent so that you can save job. Fat albert did the right thing but all the coahes didnot.

JIM PLEASE LEAVE .....Happy holidays

Posted by: maz3 | December 22, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Can we blacklist everyone on this board when next year Portis has a great year and then they turn around and are on his balls sack again.....

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 22, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Portis is right, Who is the offensive MVP
Campbell by far. You find that guy and you build around him.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 4:43 PM

Good Question. You can eliminate anyone on the O-line right off. The WRs and TEs have done nothing to distinguish themselves. It's obviously not CP. The other RBs have played well at times but sporadically. Guess that leaves JC by default!

Posted by: ExPatYankee | December 22, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

As awful as I thought the fake FG was before, I think its even worse after looking at it again.

It was a terrible time to fake a FG and it had already been given away, so the element of surprise was gone.

But when I looked at the play itself, wow, it had to be the worst designed play I've ever seen.

One guy runs for the end zone and the jints know that anything other than a TD means nothing. The guy wasn't double covered or triple covered. What's the word for a guy who is covered by 6 players?

Plus, they have Hunter and Gano on the field. Why not have Collins out there to throw it? He could have been credible as a holder. Or Randle El.

They sent Gano in motion, I guess to get out of the way? I mean, he ran left and I think he just ran to the locker room. I'm guessing Gano was thinking ... don't get hurt, don't get hurt ...

What was the reason they sent Gano in motion? Maybe they thought Gano going in motion would have caused the jints to have a guy follow him in motion, meaning one less defender to rush Hunter. I guess the jints decided Gano wasn't really much of a deep receiving threat.

I fully expect this to be mocked on next week's episode of the Simpsons.

People are calling it the worst play ever ... and somehow, it seems like an understatement.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis also endorsed Michael Vick's dog fighting and Tiger Woods' crotch hunting. Clinton's working both ends of the street. He's sucking up to Shanahan while covering his bases w/ Zorn on the bizarre off chance that he doesn't get fired. Way to play the politics, CP!

Posted by: randysbailin | December 22, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Buges was made HC for the last 2 games of the season, w/Sherm Lewis OC.

Posted by: jsmith33351 | December 22, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

dcwun, I will tell you what portis has done to deseve the bashing. He threw Sellers under the bus for one thing! He thinks that he is the owners favorite player for another! When he does not have a good game on the field he blames it on his linemen! He is all about himself and he thinks that he can do no wrong! He cannot outrun anyone and will not admit that he has lost a step! He throws a fit just because the coach wanted him to share the load with Betts! He takes himself out of the game whenever he wants to! Do you need any more reasons? He wont practice and then thinks that he should start! We do not care if he gives the thumbs up to the new coach or not! The man is not a team player!! He is not the only running back that can block in the NFL! Time for him to go!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 22, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody care what Portis thinks. I hope he's gone too.

Posted by: abtmrt | December 22, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody care what Portis thinks. I hope he's gone too.

Posted by: abtmrt | December 22, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Vexed50Verzonnet--You are 100% correct about Portis. He is a selfish player who is a toxic presence on the team. I blame Snyder and upper management for enabling him.

Posted by: jiacinto | December 22, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Would Somebody PLEASE JUST FIRE ZORN ALREADY !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 22, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

That slacker Portis should follow Zorn out the door. I'd rather play Betts anyday.

Posted by: dovelevine | December 22, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Portis is a has been. Who cares what he says or thinks?

Posted by: faded | December 22, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Um, Clinton, the important question isn't whether you want Shanahan. It's whether he wants you.

Posted by: Samson151 | December 22, 2009 4:08 PM

Let's think about this a moment. If Shanny comes he may very well want CP on the roster to serve as a mentor to the younger RB, He always had older vets on staff to pass along some knowledge.

About above:
Who in their right mind would want Clinton Portis to be a mentor to any up and coming player??? That's one of the most bizarre things I have ever read on this board!

Posted by: cys868 | December 22, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Portis needs to go just like Zorn. I still don't think we ever used Portis right in the first place. We ran him between the tackles instead of outside on pitch plays. Now, it's time for change.

Posted by: joeboggs | December 22, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

If Shanahan wants CP to stay, I'm good with it. If he wants CP to go, I'm good with it. I'll trust Shanahan and Bruce Allen to make that call.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Can we blacklist everyone on this board when next year Portis has a great year and then they turn around and are on his balls sack again.....

Posted by: cocodc1

Exactly. I can't wait hear most proclaim, "I never said that."

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Portis also endorsed Michael Vick's dog fighting and Tiger Woods' crotch hunting."

Shiiiiiit,

I've never been in to dog fighting. Have much use for it as the Jet Beauty of the Week nowadays...

But I always been a big supporter and endorser of women crotch hunting.

Women crotch hunting make the world go round and down.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

was at the last game Portis suited up.. (sat out most of it). He has a pot belly.. Looks inflated.. Must be carrying 20 pounds more than when he last played for Shanny.
I think Shanny will say "no thanks", enjoy retirement.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen needs to tell Zorn he won't be back. Then he needs to tell the team Zorn won't be back. Then he needs to tell the team there will be lots of people that won't be back.

Then he also needs to tell the team that even though there will be lots of changes in the offseason, the best thing everyone can do is stop worrying about what might happen and what rumors are going around and simply play great football for 2 more games. For those who aren't coming back, go out on a high note. For those that are going to return, hopefully it is the start of better days.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Can we blacklist everyone on this board when next year Portis has a great year and then they turn around and are on his balls sack again.....

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 22, 2009 8:39 PM

We can't blacklist them. But if you want to keep them off his sack just refuse to open your mouth.

Posted by: mack1 | December 22, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Can we blacklist everyone on this board when next year Portis has a great year and then they turn around and are on his balls sack again.....

Posted by: cocodc1


Right because you've NEVER in your life made a prediction based off a body of work that went wrong.

While I it most definitely seems that Portis is on the downside of his career, it's funny how people are acting like he was a one hit wonder in the mold of Mike Anderson or someone like that.

More of people wanting to kick a dude while he's down... but sure nuff, I bet there was countless people riding his "balls sack" when he was carrying the Redskins on winning streaks into the playoffs...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

CAmpbell was MVP for the Giants.. Perfect Interceptions.. As one commentator called the Screen pass interception that went for a TD, a "Gift to the Giants".
Campbell is a choke artist when he panics.. overthrows and underthrows, 80 percent of his throws this year for less than 10 yards. And the replays show those interceptions occurred with no one hanging off him.. no pressure at all. Similar to the first Giants game of the year.
Skins have wasted 4 years of a top ranked Defense while waiting for JC to prove he is maybe a 2nd string backup. What most GMs knew last March when Snyder was shopping him around. The Skins will get no more than a 3rd round compensation pick if he gets an offer this offseason.
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Portis is right, Who is the offensive MVP
Campbell by far. You find that guy and you build around him.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | December 22, 2009 4:43 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

dcwun, I will tell you what portis has done to deseve the bashing. He threw Sellers under the bus for one thing! He thinks that he is the owners favorite player for another! When he does not have a good game on the field he blames it on his linemen! He is all about himself and he thinks that he can do no wrong! He cannot outrun anyone and will not admit that he has lost a step! He throws a fit just because the coach wanted him to share the load with Betts! He takes himself out of the game whenever he wants to! Do you need any more reasons? He wont practice and then thinks that he should start! We do not care if he gives the thumbs up to the new coach or not! The man is not a team player!! He is not the only running back that can block in the NFL! Time for him to go!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet

I hear you. So, he threw Sellers under the bus? So did 99% of the bloggas hear. Also, Portis NEVER went to the media and threw him "under the bus" did he? He said it to the coaches because it was true. Sellers has been horrible this year.

He has NEVER thrown a fit about Betts getting carries. As a matter of fact, he's never had a bad word to say about Betts. If I'm wrong, give me the quote.

He thinks he's the owner's favorite? Give me facts to back up that quote? Just because J Reid tells you this, doesn't make it the gospel.

He takes himself out of the game whenever he wants too? I thought he was selfish? Selfish players would want to come out. Besides, why would any player stay on the field if they are tired. The Practice thing? I guess Steven Jackson, Tiki Barber, AP, Chris Johnson, Thomas Jones are and were considered selfish too because EVERY primary ball carrier gets days off during the week because of the physicality of the position.

I could go on and on but you haven't any facts outside of the Sellers incident. The other stuff you just got from "da Mayor" and everybody knows about his relationship with CP.

Oh, and nobody's saying he hasn't lost a step. Hell, even AP is slowing down now.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Allen should approach the last 2 games as evaluation games of who can play at true NFL speed. Play the back ups, all of them. See who stays and goes..
The Skins (or any NFL team) never get this level of opportunity during the preseason. And preseason speed is a notch lower than NFL season speed.
Often why you see "preseason wonders" disappear when the real season begins.
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zoezcest wrote,
Then he also needs to tell the team that even though there will be lots of changes in the offseason, the best thing everyone can do is stop worrying about what might happen and what rumors are going around and simply play great football for 2 more games. For those who aren't coming back, go out on a high note. For those that are going to return, hopefully it is the start of better days.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 10:23 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"Portis also endorsed Michael Vick's dog fighting and Tiger Woods' crotch hunting."

I'm with Red on the crotch hunting. So again I'd like to see where CP game out and said "I endorse MV's dog fighting ring." Supporting a person is different from supporting their act.

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"CAmpbell was MVP for the Giants.. Perfect Interceptions.. As one commentator called the Screen pass interception that went for a TD, a "Gift to the Giants".
Campbell is a choke artist when he panics.. overthrows and underthrows, 80 percent of his throws this year for less than 10 yards. And the replays show those interceptions occurred with no one hanging off him.. no pressure at all. Similar to the first Giants game of the year.
Skins have wasted 4 years of a top ranked Defense while waiting for JC to prove he is maybe a 2nd string backup. What most GMs knew last March when Snyder was shopping him around. The Skins will get no more than a 3rd round compensation pick if he gets an offer this offseason."

Posted by: cliftonbiz


Funny how you carry on about Campbell and make no mention whatsoever about the offensive line.

Yes, Campbell played a bad game... but how come you don't mention about the NON-STOP CONSTANT pressure he faced all night, what about the FIVE sacks??? What about the play-calling and their REFUSAL to adjust to the defensive gameplan of the Giants?

What I want to know is where the hell where all these Campbell knockers the last four games? Where were all the CP bashers when he was carrying the Redskins into the playoffs or the first eight games of last season?

Funny how some of you like to come out thumping your chest ONLY after they play a bad game.

If football is a team sport, and winning is predicated or team play, it's AMAZING how people like to single out only Portis and Campbell each and every time this team looses.

And mentioning Portis? I don't get that... he hasn't played in like a month and a half... You all are a motherfu_king trip!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

im in the minority,but portis should stay.he is the best all around back on the skins roster.any rookie could be great or terrible.when numb nutzorn was stil running bugle/gibbs offense in his first year,portis was great.half a year off he should be healty,shannahan should inspire.

Posted by: DLESMonday | December 22, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcwun | December 22, 2009 10:36 PM

I'm in full support and in my younger days was a pretty, pretty proficient crotch hunter.

As far as CP...
Redskins running back Clinton Portis disapproves over the hubbub surrounding Michael Vick's obvious alleged involvement in dog-fighting. DC Sports Bog takes a look at Portis's exchange with WAVY reporter Mary Kay Mallonee:

Portis: I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property and it's his dog. If that's what he wants to do, do it… You know, what people do behind closed doors…

Mallonee: "But that's a felony. It's a crime."

Portis: "It can't be too bad of a crime."

I'm not banging on CP but that's his quote. I'm good with Portis staying or going, it's up to Allen and the newly hired coach. I root for the team and if he comes into next year with even less tread on his tires, good bye.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Going to the coaches and complaining about another player is the same as throwing a player under the bus! It is called pointing fingers at another player! to me that means that he is not and never will be a team player and he has to go because his attitude has rubbed off on other players on this team! Time for a new face! Other players see that he does not practice and then they think that they can do the same! Why do you think that Mr. Shannahan let him go in the first place? Because he new that he was a cancer on that team also! Get it?

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 22, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Redskin fan, but Portis is an @ss. When Mushmouth talks to Thompson (Chef), I wonder if Dexter Manley went to school more than Portis. If Allen has any brains, Portis will be gone before Zorn.

Posted by: bal503 | December 22, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely Clifton Biz! A Quarterback should be able to overcome nonexistent offensive line. As long as he gets the ball a split second before the unblocked linebacker hits him in the chin, he should be able to complete a pass to a playmaker like Malcom Kelly. Even if the play was designed by a coach who drew up and called the worst trick play ever. Twice.

Posted by: mack1 | December 22, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Dog Fighting = Dumb Stupid!

Crotch hunting = makes you dumb stupid (if good, and not stanky)

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

funny how you dont mention that Collins came in, cold off the bench, for the last 4 plays of the half and was far more effective than Campbell WITH THE SAME OFFENSIVE LINE AND SAME PRESSURE. 47 yards to Moss and a dropped TD pass by Davis.
We saw the difference between a quick release NFL QB and Campbell who is a drop back slow read QB.
You would have to be either related to Campbell or have a bizarre man-crush on him to defend his 50 QB rating and interceptions. Collins showed a quicker release can negate or offset a potent rush.
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"CAmpbell was MVP for the Giants.. Perfect Interceptions.. As one commentator called the Screen pass interception that went for a TD, a "Gift to the Giants".
Campbell is a choke artist when he panics.. overthrows and underthrows, 80 percent of his throws this year for less than 10 yards. And the replays show those interceptions occurred with no one hanging off him.. no pressure at all. Similar to the first Giants game of the year.
Skins have wasted 4 years of a top ranked Defense while waiting for JC to prove he is maybe a 2nd string backup. What most GMs knew last March when Snyder was shopping him around. The Skins will get no more than a 3rd round compensation pick if he gets an offer this offseason."

Posted by: cliftonbiz

RedDMV wrote:
Funny how you carry on about Campbell and make no mention whatsoever about the offensive line.

Yes, Campbell played a bad game... but how come you don't mention about the NON-STOP CONSTANT pressure he faced all night, what about the FIVE sacks??? What about the play-calling and their REFUSAL to adjust to the defensive gameplan of the Giants?

What I want to know is where the hell where all these Campbell knockers the last four games? Where were all the CP bashers when he was carrying the Redskins into the playoffs or the first eight games of last season?

Funny how some of you like to come out thumping your chest ONLY after they play a bad game.

If football is a team sport, and winning is predicated or team play, it's AMAZING how people like to single out only Portis and Campbell each and every time this team looses.

And mentioning Portis? I don't get that... he hasn't played in like a month and a half... You all are a motherfu_king trip!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 10:39 P


Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

80 percent of his throws this year for less than 10 yards.

Posted by: cliftonbiz

Again spitting out stats without any germane evidence is pointless. For example, most of this year the team has been operating its passing game on plays requiring a three step drop (coaches and players have said this). This was done in an attempt to keep the QB upright for 16 games because the OLine sucks, and to give the Skins a semblance of a passing game. One would reason then that the WRs would have to run routes that didn't take a long time to develop(shorter routes). So that 80% stat you threw out suggests thatthis issue is more an indictment on the OLine than Campbell.

Now Campbell has his faults, and if Bruce Allen and Shanahan want to move in a new direction or if they want to keep him, then I'll circle the wagon behind the decision made. To me it makes the most sense to keep Campbell for 2 to 3 years and groom another QB to assume his spot. The decision however needs to be well thought out as it will shape the franchise's fortune over the next 5 years.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not a Redskin fan, but Portis is an @ss. When Mushmouth talks to Thompson (Chef), I wonder if Dexter Manley went to school more than Portis. If Allen has any brains, Portis will be gone before Zorn."

Posted by: bal503


So if you're a NOT a Redskins fan why do you even give a s_it? Carry your ass on, dude...

But, you're right... Football players are renowned for their concept of the English language... F how they play on the field, I want a dude who passed the fuc_ing spelling bee and who'll go on to perform brain surgery after his career.

Country of origin, please, or Ben Casey like dudes and whatnot.... good night!

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I liked the way CP plays ball. He seemed to be able to squeak out that extra yard or two. I also loved those blocks in the passing game. It's America, he can say what he wants BUT...if I were the incoming leader and I had a player telling me/'in the media' how things are or going to be.....or what I like.... He's outta here. IMO, I think they should look for another 1st/2nd down back for running purposes and have CP take passing downs. He would be great there. I see Larry Centers with kick Azz blocking........

Posted by: outsourced_in_va | December 22, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

"funny how you dont mention that Collins came in, cold off the bench, for the last 4 plays of the half and was far more effective than Campbell WITH THE SAME OFFENSIVE LINE AND SAME PRESSURE. 47 yards to Moss and a dropped TD pass by Davis.
We saw the difference between a quick release NFL QB and Campbell who is a drop back slow read QB.
You would have to be either related to Campbell or have a bizarre man-crush on him to defend his 50 QB rating and interceptions. Collins showed a quicker release can negate or offset a potent rush."

Posted by: cliftonbiz

Collins? The same Todd motherf-ing Collins that stunk up the second half of the Kansas City game as much as Jason Campbell did in the first of that same game, or are you a newly converted Redskins fan and didn't catch that one?

There is this thing in football called "game film" and "tendencies". All week leading up to that game, the Giants game played for Jason Campbell by watching film of previous games from him. It was NO question the the Giants all-out OUTCOACHED the Redskins taking away all the spots on the field where Jason Campbell has been successful in completing the ball. THAT is on coaching, or preparation if you will...

The Redskins are so damn predictable it's funny. Zorn's idea of misdirection is calling for an obvious fake field goal, not once, but twice.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not a Redskin fan, but Portis is an @ss. When Mushmouth talks to Thompson (Chef), I wonder if Dexter Manley went to school more than Portis. If Allen has any brains, Portis will be gone before Zorn."

Posted by: bal503

No offense dude, but you're not a skins fan and you're wasting your time here.

I'm guess crotch hunting was never a hobby of yours.....

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey TWISI.. "germane evidence"??
The "80 percent" quote was from booth crew during the ESPN broadcast last night.

What they didnt quote is that JC is ranked 211th of 214 QBs who ever played in the history of the NFL (900 pass attempts or more) for TD passing efficiency (Boswell column from Sept 09).

What a waste of great defenses for 4 years while Snyder tried to get a return on his 1st, 3rd, and 4th traded 2006 picks to get JC. Thats what the Jim Zorn (ex QB coach) hire was all about.. Coach up JC and improve our JC investment to a 1st round compensation pick in 2010 or a QB that remains a REdskin. JC is probably now a 3rd round compensation pick..IF he gets an offer.. highly unlikely after last night.. Ummmm maybe thats why Zorn put him back in, in the 2nd half.. more revenge against Snyder?? Hey Dan.. watch your "JC stock" plummet while you interview my replacements...haha.

And to add more salt.... Denver got pro-bowler WR Brandon Marshall with the Skins 4th round pick.
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cliftonbiz wrote:
80 percent of his throws this year for less than 10 yards.

TWISI wrote:
Again spitting out stats without any germane evidence is pointless.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

"What they didnt quote is that JC is ranked 211th of 214 QBs who ever played in the history of the NFL (900 pass attempts or more) for TD passing efficiency (Boswell column from Sept 09)."

Posted by: cliftonbiz

OMF'ingG

This is a prime example that stats don't tell the whole story. Again, that's why you'll never catch up here spitting stats.

Tell me this, Clif: What the hell kind of TD passes is Campbell supposed to throw when he's got a dude in his face faster than "Fire Zorn"? What type of TD passes is he supposed to throw when he's dealing with inept playcalling and a head coach who wouldn't allow Davis, Thomas, and Kelly on the field?

When a soldier is out of ammunition and he has to "fix bayonets", his life expectancy drops dramatically, just some food for though for you...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

What they didnt quote is that JC is ranked 211th of 214 QBs who ever played in the history of the NFL (900 pass attempts or more) for TD passing efficiency (Boswell column from Sept 09).

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 11:22 PM

Still haven't learned about supporting these stats with evidence. I don't even know what that is saying. Is it total attempts or red zone attempts? Never mind. I see you're hunkered down in your position. I'm not going to continue with this subject. Good night all.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

i need expert analysis of this fake field goal and i am just not getting it. what was that play? is it just a concoction of some new failing "system" that zorn and danny smith have concocted of 'field position first' team. or is this some mythical play that hasn't been seen since the good old days that is sort of sacred but not really? has ANYONE ever seen fake field goal like that, and please, don't just talk sh!t about it, actually answer the question.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 22, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

"than you can say Fire Zorn"...

I'm going to catch some hay folks.. me tried, me sleepy Fred Davis style...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 22, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

It is just so classy and appropriate to talk about this publicly before the man is officially fired. This organization is rotten from the top down. CP, you're a classless low life.

Posted by: nolngeraseasontixhder | December 22, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"What they didnt quote is that JC is ranked 211th of 214 QBs who ever played in the history of the NFL (900 pass attempts or more) for TD passing efficiency (Boswell column from Sept 09)."

Posted by: cliftonbiz

I'm not a JC apologist...

I will say that most of that burden deserves to be directed at Zorn and Vinny.

Zorn is the one that plays for FGs instead of settling for FGs.

Vinny is the idiot that neglected the OL and in his mind only gave Zorn a "playoff caliber roster".

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Mack1...right.. All NFL coaches can burn a pass rush/blitz like the Giants showed, with a quick release QB.. And only because of JC's injury did we see that adjustment.. inadvertently, when Zorn had to put Collins in.. He was beating the rush with his quick release.. Collins should of started the 2nd half and Zorn would of looked like a genius..using TC's quick release...... In just 4 pass attempts, Collins equaled 30 percent of JC's total yardage output for the entire game that required 28 attempts.
Could of been much higher if Davis had not dropped the TD pass.
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Mack wrote:
Absolutely Clifton Biz! A Quarterback should be able to overcome nonexistent offensive line. As long as he gets the ball a split second before the unblocked linebacker hits him in the chin, he should be able to complete a pass to a playmaker like Malcom Kelly. Even if the play was designed by a coach who drew up and called the worst trick play ever. Twice.

Posted by: mack1 | December 22, 2009 10:58 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Why are we asking Clinton Portis about what the GM should be doing? This is ridiculous, I never seen a player have so much clout. Whow gives a s*** what he thinks about the evaluation process?? He thinks we are a team with talent?? I never knew a talented team can go 4-10, what an amazing thing. FACT - Portis couldn't run even behind a healthy OL. I hope he is not in our plans next year, and please take his other U guy with him.

Posted by: cmterpsnskins | December 22, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is running a poll:

Which QB has the brighter future?

Jason Campbell or Brady Quinn

The results so far with 35k votes

Brady Quinn 55%
Jason Campbell 45%

We really are a dumb society. Rotfrau is right…

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 22, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

TWISI... here is the Boswell quote from Sept 21, 09 and article link, below.

"One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent.

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/20/AR2009092002697.html
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TWISI wrote:
Still haven't learned about supporting these stats with evidence. I don't even know what that is saying. Is it total attempts or red zone attempts? Never mind. I see you're hunkered down in your position. I'm not going to continue with this subject. Good night all.

Posted by: TWISI | December 22, 2009 11:32 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 22, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing Allen and Shanahan, if it is Shanahan, will think OL first. Both guys get the OL is important and its impossible to miss how ad it is currently. Which means OL upgrades and Jason Campbell in 2010.

Shanahan loves stud QBs and I suspect he'll want to replace Campbell, just not immediately.

Allen, on the other hand, has had considerable success with veteran retreads that florished late in their careers, notably Garcia and Gannon. Campbell will be about 30 in 2011, meaning Campbell might be a guy that Allen sees having good years ahead.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

cmterpsnskins, I like the way you think! Right on! Who the heck cares what Portis thinks, he wont be with the Redskins much longer!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 23, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I would agree zcezcest1, at 4-10 age doesnt seem to improve JC..
I think Allen, while sitting next to Snyder last night in the lux box, was thinking "Campbell IS A COACH AND GM KILLER". Gibbs knew he blew it, throwing away a 1st, 3rd and 4th for JC and retired.. Vinny got fired and Zorn will too in 13 days.....

And Snyder will get a 3rd round compensation pick for JC in March 2010. Ironically, what he was offered by other GMs when he was shopping JC in March 2009.
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zcezcest1 wrote,
Allen, on the other hand, has had considerable success with veteran retreads that florished late in their careers, notably Garcia and Gannon. Campbell will be about 30 in 2011, meaning Campbell might be a guy that Allen sees having good years ahead.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 22, 2009 11:51 PM

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

F-Dallas and Portis and Moss,2 players that are all about themselves and not team players! Time to blow it up!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 23, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

This is a must watch...

http://www.csnwashington.com/pages/multimedia_videos

I lost count at Zorn's amount of Ahhs @ 50. This video alone should have had him fired. What a freaking dope. Definitely comical how he defended his decision for the worst trick play in the history of the NFL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | December 23, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Going to the coaches and complaining about another player is the same as throwing a player under the bus! It is called pointing fingers at another player! to me that means that he is not and never will be a team player and he has to go because his attitude has rubbed off on other players on this team! Time for a new face! Other players see that he does not practice and then they think that they can do the same! Why do you think that Mr. Shannahan let him go in the first place? Because he new that he was a cancer on that team also! Get it?

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet

No I don't get it. OK, so let me get this straight. Aren't we the same folks are are asking for some of the players to get in each other's face because of the lack of the way they've performed? Called out JC because he's not getting on his guys for poor blocking?

Do you really believe that players getting saying these things to coaches never happen? I guess Joey T was never a team player either because he would get on his guys pretty tough. Brett Favre is a team player either. When asked if he'll help Aaron Rodgers as a rookie he, and I quote "No, thats what the coaches are for."

Shanahan didn't let him go because he was a cancer. He wanted more money, just as every player would, after posting back to back 1500 yard seasons. I'd also like to know who did his attitude rub off on? He's only close to a few players on the team.

Again, your info is has no facts attached outside of what J Reid has written.

Posted by: dcwun | December 23, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Todd Collins? Todd Collins would have been ground to dust by the end of the third quarter.

Posted by: mack1 | December 23, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

i need expert analysis of this fake field goal and i am just not getting it. what was that play? is it just a concoction of some new failing "system" that zorn and danny smith have concocted of 'field position first' team. or is this some mythical play that hasn't been seen since the good old days that is sort of sacred but not really? has ANYONE ever seen fake field goal like that, and please, don't just talk sh!t about it, actually answer the question.

Posted by: BMACattack | December 22, 2009 11:32 PM |

BigMac

The way the play is designed, the entire line and all supporting cast except one WR and one TE all shift over to the left side of the field, even the kicker.

the TE moves over center and the holder becomes QB. On the snap, the one WR on the right goes out and clears the right side of the field. A receiveer from the left goes on a fly pattern down the left side, and the rest of the gang on the left sets up a screen. After a brief delay, the center (actually the TE over center) releases (supposedly all alone) into the right flat with an open field ahead of him.

If you watch the replay, it was open, but Hunter couldn't wait any longer and got rid of the ball by chucking deep left.

Go back and watch and you will see Yoder snap the ball, wait and release into the right flat. It almost worked - and it almost got our punter killed by the four rushing linemen who came in unblocked.

So there you have it.

Posted by: edvar | December 23, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

if portis,whom i think is crap,is so endorsing of this shanahan,then why didnt he stay in denver with him?elway and davis are not here,and i for one am not sold on shanahan for coach.its like he was fired too!just like gruden!,and neither of these guys are in gibbs class,and gibbs could not get it done!give gray the job,get rid of greg blatch,keep sherm lewis.

Posted by: billydee123 | December 23, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Bou-oh-Boy! CP is all about "me me me; I I I" He's a prima donna and just one reason the Redskins are only a team in-waiting. The Bruce should get rid of him now, and all the other me-first guys. To dis your HC while you are gearing up for a Dallas game is pure self interest. I thinking CP's sucking up to the new presumed HC wreaks of Prima Donna-ism, and the Bruce will show him the door before he does more damage. Heck, JC & JZ have taken more hits than CP has all this year, and the both of them are thinking team now, team-first.

Posted by: DeployedFan | December 23, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Portis needs to go sit in the corner and chew on Albert's dirty jock, until hes told to pack his locker.

Posted by: dashriprock | December 23, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Vinnie will be the defensive line coach.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | December 22, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse


Vinnie will be the new special teams coach because that fake feild goal was a play he drew up himself.

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | December 23, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

If I were Portis, I'd shut the f*ck up about the coach and start kissing Bruce Allen's ass. Portis is far from a lock to be back next year, especially when undrafted slappies are coming in here and outplaying him. I seriously hope the extent of his interaction with the new coach is passing him in the parking lot with a pink-slip in his hand.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 5:29 AM | Report abuse

I used to really like Clinton Portis, but his attitude is getting really hard to take. I'm tired of hearing him run his mouth and will be glad when he finally leaves. I believe that Snyder confided in Portis on Zorn's future with the organization. How can a coach have any respect when the owner is confiding in the players?

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 5:51 AM | Report abuse

I believe that Snyder confided in Portis on Zorn's future with the organization. How can a coach have any respect when the owner is confiding in the players?

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 5:51 AM

Yeah, that's Zorn's problem! You *believe* the owner confided in Portis so no one respects him.

Here's a news flash for you: Owner didn't have to *confide* anything to Portis that Portis hadn't already seen in the newpspaper.

Zorn had a fair shot and he worked his way out of this job. No one stabbed him in the back.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Portis needs to shut up! You got paid now move on.

Don't bring Mike Shanahan here unless Elway of the 90;s come.

Jason your job must suck! Delivering work like this.

Why do they keep recurculating these old coaches?

Posted by: shamken | December 23, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Why don't we try raising some money for poor miss treated Zorn, I'm sure he will not be able to buy Christmas presents for his kids.

He did such a great job here if the Owner would have only given him 10 years, he could have made us a winner.

I'm sure Snyder set the team up for failure just so he could get rid of Zorn, because it's not like he could just fire him because he sucks.

This is a buisness you idiots, if you sucked at your job do you think your boss wouldn't replace you. Unless you work for the Government that is.

He was given a shot but instead of doing what Gibbs did, which was tailor his offense to the players he had he wanted to force his style down there throats and it didn't work.

Instead of hiring some offense coaches with experience he hired a bunch of his friends, so I say bye bye Zorn you can now be the QB coach in Cleveland if Holmgren will hire you.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

sham,

Your right who would want a coach that had 4 playoff appearances including a AFC championship game after Elway to coach here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I believe that Snyder confided in Portis on Zorn's future with the organization. How can a coach have any respect when the owner is confiding in the players?

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 5:51 AM

Yeah, that's Zorn's problem! You *believe* the owner confided in Portis so no one respects him.

Here's a news flash for you: Owner didn't have to *confide* anything to Portis that Portis hadn't already seen in the newpspaper.

Zorn had a fair shot and he worked his way out of this job. No one stabbed him in the back.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 6:38 AM
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Do you work for the skins, League-Source? Who else would defend the type of disrespect that Portis has shown Zorn throughout his tenure, starting year one? A player shouldn't go on a radio show and sarcastically call his coach a genius because the coach was trying to discipline the player. Instead of the organization reining in Portis, he publicly states that he loves Mr. Snyder and Mr. Snyder loves him, as if to say that Snyder was siding with Portis. When other players see this, they loose respect for the coach who's supposed to have final say. When a player appears that he's close to the owner and wields influence, the team looses respect for the coach. Is that so hard to understand? Jim Zorn may have worked himself out of a job, but he sure as heck didn't get much support from the owner, who has been humiliating Zorn at every turn!

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't be too quick to put CP out to pasture, he came into the season hurt and tried to play. Even playing hurt CP still has done better then Betts, Ganther, and Cartwright which is scary.
Did you see the blocking Ganther and Cartwright did for Campbell?

Whomever is chosen to coach or wants to coach needs to revamp the offensive line, I still say we need danother defensive end , strongside linebacker, and a free safety ..Part of the defensive problems are scheme related.

What really amazes me and is a sad state of affairs is watching our 300 pound offensive lineman just standing around whil eCampbell was getting pummeled those dudwscannot finish blocks , none of them.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | December 23, 2009 7:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's a news flash for you: Owner didn't have to *confide* anything to Portis that Portis hadn't already seen in the newpspaper.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 6:38 AM
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The newspaper? Just what has the newspaper reported? Reporters didn't know that Allen was the new GM, but I bet Portis knew. The newspaper originally said that Gruden would be the next coach, but I bet Portis knew that it would be Shanahan all along. So tell me, what has Portis, or anybody for that matter, learned from the newspaper? When it comes to the skins, the Post ain't got no scoope.

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Here's a news flash for you: Owner didn't have to *confide* anything to Portis that Portis hadn't already seen in the newpspaper.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 6:38 AM
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The newspaper? Just what has the newspaper reported? Reporters didn't know that Allen was the new GM, but I bet Portis knew. The newspaper originally said that Gruden would be the next coach, but I bet Portis knew that it would be Shanahan all along. So tell me, what has Portis, or anybody for that matter, learned from the newspaper? When it comes to the skins, the Post ain't got no scoop.

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

The newspaper? Just what has the newspaper reported? Reporters didn't know that Allen was the new GM, but I bet Portis knew. The newspaper originally said that Gruden would be the next coach, but I bet Portis knew that it would be Shanahan all along. So tell me, what has Portis, or anybody for that matter, learned from the newspaper? When it comes to the skins, the Post ain't got no scoope.


Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 7:20 AM

A guy who fancies himself to be "postwell" is up here double posting? Nice work, Scoope.

You *bet* Portis knew? Okay, I'll take your be. Where's your proof for that one, Scoope? And how would Portis knowing that Allen would be the GM undermine Zorn? Wouldn't that undermine Vinnie?

As for the newspapers, check out the story in the Denver Post. It didn't pick Gruden, Scoope:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14020216

Plus Chris Mortensen has been saying that this one has been in the works for a while now, Scoope.

Portis runs his mouth all the time. "Owner love me." Have you heard Snyder say that or do you just assume it has to be true because Portis sez it, Scoope?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

let me put it to you this way this team is fractured and unless and start to do some serious healing it does not matter who the coach is or how much money snyder throws to players healing has to be the first step to recovery and i believe the best coach for this team is cowher who can work with bruce Allen.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | December 23, 2009 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Well, I guess this is a great sign for Skin's fans. Sheriff Gonnagetcha approved of Shanny coming over...eventhough Shanny traded is arse here...ha ha ha ha!

He must have gone to school at the U.
Bet he got an "A" on Ignorant 101.

Posted by: Incognito00 | December 23, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

FIRE JIM ZORN ALREADY !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | December 23, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

let me put it to you this way this team is fractured and unless and start to do some serious healing it does not matter who the coach is or how much money snyder throws to players healing has to be the first step to recovery and i believe the best coach for this team is cowher who can work with bruce Allen.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | December 23, 2009 7:55 AM |

Cowher will be in Carolina with his own choice for GM.

This team needs a %65 player change who cares if they are fractured most of them will be gone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 23, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

This just in to our newsroom. Bruce Allen has resigned as General Manager of the Redskins citing lack of talent, lack of respect by other coaches, lack of player character, lack of coaching, lack of owner leadership, lack of communications. It was also reported that Disney is interested in buying the rights to produce a full length feature cartoon on the Redskins. Vinnie Cerrato has been contacted to do the voice over of the main character Fat Albert.

Posted by: getitritegov | December 23, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

TWISI... here is the Boswell quote from Sept 21, 09 and article link, below.

"One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent.

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/20/AR2009092002697.html
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cliftonbiz I promised not to discuss this further with you because, frankly if JC stays or goes and the team gets draft pick(s), then I'm cool. However I wanted to touch on this response. Based on this article I ask again, what are these stats really saying? In the very article you are using to support your position against Campbell, it says he’s the second best QB in NFL history in avoiding interception. It also, suggests that the Skins, during Campbell’s period, lack the personnel to be successful in the red zone. Finally, the article also implies that it’s the OC job to design plays that would be successful in the red zone based on the personnel of the team. I suggest stop being lazy by using someone work to support what you are saying. Do a little work yourself like others have done on this blog, to make your argument. I'm guessing you won't because you come off more as a blow hart than anything else. One last thing, as far as I can tell, Boswell is using the ratio of TD passes/career pass attempts, which is a good place to start. I’d like to see a comparison of TD passes/red zone pass attempts. I think this will give a little clarity into Campbell's ability to throw TD passes in the red zone on historical average with other QBs, as oppose to the philosophical decision of his OC and HC attributing to his low TD pass rate.

Posted by: TWISI | December 23, 2009 8:12 AM | Report abuse

good thing they don't have a game this weekend, cuz there's really nothing to update......injuries, game plan, etc....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Yahoo! has just said that the fake field goal was the worst trick play ever! (Hey, we need small victories wherever we can get them.)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Redskins-run-the-worst-trick-play-anyone-s-e?urn=nfl,210374

Posted by: charley42 | December 23, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Greg, why hit non-essential stuff like that when we have juicy quotes from a player on IR and the constant "Suisham's revenge" talk? I hope they hit us with some stuff from Ladell Betts and if we're lucky, we'll get a nugget from Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Charley42, isn't that MJD guy a Skins fan? I thought he said that in one of his columns a while back.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Greg, why hit non-essential stuff like that when we have juicy quotes from a player on IR and the constant "Suisham's revenge" talk? I hope they hit us with some stuff from Ladell Betts and if we're lucky, we'll get a nugget from Leigh Torrence.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

How much more revenge does Suisham want? He already has cost us 3 games!!

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | December 23, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Well, if Portis endorses Shanahan that tells me to look elsewhere. Of course, if Portis likes the coach he's liable to actually perform, which is something we haven't seen from him the past two years.

Bailey for Portis: Worst. Trade. Ever.

Posted by: kemp13 | December 23, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

can we at least get an update on what Spurrier thinks of this?? or what about some quotes from APierce??

Seriously, how about they talk with the RT playing in his first game....or talk to Ganther....or an update on Heyer's knee, or Thomas's ankle, or Campbells shoulder...ah forget it...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

good thing they don't have a game this weekend, cuz there's really nothing to update......injuries, game plan, etc....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 8:27 AM

Are there more games? I thought the season was over, we finished 4-12, Mike Shanahan was coaching, half the team was cut, we drafted Okung and Spiller, Chris Larry ruled in FF, and that mini-camp is next week.

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 23, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

here you go TWISI.. full quote below..

I would say Campbell being second best in avoiding interceptions... Would explain the stat that ESPN quoted two nights ago... 80 percent of his completions are for less than 10 yards. Safe passes, before the sticks, get you alot of 3 and outs...Or, one of the lowest scoring Offenses in the NFL. Sounds like Monday night..

From sept 21, 09, Boswell

"The player at the heart of the problem is Campbell. He can march a team up and down the field reasonably well, as attested by his 84.2 career passer rating. And he is actually the second-best quarterback in NFL history at avoiding interceptions -- just 2.1 percent of his throws get picked off.

But through all 38 of his starts, the same ugly thread has run. He can't get his team across the goal line. Only six times in those 38 games has his offense scored even three touchdowns. And in his starts, the Redskins have averaged 1.72 touchdowns per game with their offense on the field. They lack a tall, talented wide receiver to catch ally-oop passes. Clinton Portis is their only dangerous back, so their goal-line attack lacks variety. Tiny wide receivers Santana Moss and Randle El get erased in heavy traffic. Foes focus on shutting down big tight end Chris Cooley.
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All of this, combined with Campbell's bullet passes, which sometimes overpower receivers at close quarters, and his fear of red-zone turnovers -- drilled into him by every offensive coordinator -- has culminated in one stunning statistic.

One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent.

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower. Is the flaw in Campbell? Or, as on Sunday, when both Devin Thomas and Mike Sellers missed possible touchdown catches from Campbell, is his paucity of scoring passes merely a reflection of an ill-built red-zone offense?

Give Campbell credit. He soldiers on, year after year explaining why so many drives, so many scoring chances, result in so few points. But it can't be lost on him that even Zorn seems have lost some confidence. In this game, on third and goal from the Rams 5-yard line, Zorn called for a pass -- but not from Campbell. Instead, he had Portis, whose passes are more like shot-puts, make the attempt -- which failed. "

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Bailey for Portis: Worst. Trade. Ever.

Posted by: kemp13 | December 23, 2009 8:39 AM


You can't be serious...I'm off the Portis bandwagon too, but I wouldn't go that far. Portis is the franchise's 2nd all-time rusher, and Bailey made half his Denver Pro-Bowls on reputation alone. He had a couple years he wasn't healthy and got cooked by T.O. a couple times that would make even DHall laugh. Considering the 2nd rounder Denver got went bust too (it was Tatum Bell), it's pretty even after it's all said and done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 23, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Whats all the controversy about the Offensive Player of the Year? That's easy- it's L.Ron Landry- For the other team!

Posted by: johnnyreds | December 23, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Why is there a controversy over the offensive player of the year on a team that's gonna finish 4-12? It's the sports equivalent of awarding Lincoln's most effective guard at Ford's Theater....

Posted by: randysbailin | December 23, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

A guy who fancies himself to be "postwell" is up here double posting? Nice work, Scoope.

You *bet* Portis knew? Okay, I'll take your be. Where's your proof for that one, Scoope? And how would Portis knowing that Allen would be the GM undermine Zorn? Wouldn't that undermine Vinnie?

As for the newspapers, check out the story in the Denver Post. It didn't pick Gruden, Scoope:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14020216

Plus Chris Mortensen has been saying that this one has been in the works for a while now, Scoope.

Portis runs his mouth all the time. "Owner love me." Have you heard Snyder say that or do you just assume it has to be true because Portis sez it, Scoope?

Posted by: League-Source | December 23, 2009 7:45 AM
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It's gratifying when people trying to belittle others for making simple mistakes make the same mistakes themselves. What does "Okay, I'll take your be" mean? Oh, you meant to say bet. Why post an article from the Denver Post that was written after the fact? No media outlet predicted the arrival of George Allen. And as far as the Portis-Zorn affair goes, it's not a matter of whether I believe what Portis said about Snyder, but whether Dan publicly supported his coach after the incident. We all know that Snyder didn't.

Posted by: postwell1 | December 23, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

THE SKINS SUXXXXX

Posted by: rlomax67 | December 23, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Snyder to watch the Skins get ripped by the Chargers who are coached by a guy he fired in season...

Posted by: i155133 | December 23, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.
If Campbell stinks up the Cowboys and Chargers games.. The Skins will be lucky to see a 3rd round compensation pick if Campbell gets a low offer as a restricted free agent.
Or, worst, the Skins are stuck with him again next year.

Posted by: cliftonbiz | December 23, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

dcwun, I think that you should go root for the team that portis is going to be on next year because it will not be the Redskins. Thank you for your insite on that coach undermining finger pointing me first player!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 23, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

why is portis being given airtime? NO ONE CARES what he thinks........just shut up and play (oh forgot--he can't)

Posted by: tabtool | December 23, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

smartest thing for Snyder to do right now.. is to convince Allen to shut down Campbell before his value plummets even more.
If Campbell stinks up the Cowboys and Chargers games.. The Skins will be lucky to see a 3rd round compensation pick if Campbell gets a low offer as a restricted free agent.
Or, worst, the Skins are stuck with him again next year.
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HE-LOOO??? WE DON'T WANT SNYDER DOING ANYTHING WRT "TEAM OPERATIONS" EVER! LET ALLEN MAKE HIS OWN DECISIONS

Posted by: tabtool | December 23, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I think Bruce Allen, in his first act of discipline, should fine Portis for his comments. How can you go on the radio and talk about welcoming another coach when your head coach hasn't been fired? Allen should make an example of him and levy a fine on him.

Posted by: tundey | December 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

dcwun, I think that you should go root for the team that portis is going to be on next year because it will not be the Redskins. Thank you for your insite on that coach undermining finger pointing me first player!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet

No thanks. After 3 decades some habits are hard to break.

How about you follow the "undermined" Jim Zorn to Cleveland after he's fired in two weeks. You can keep an eye on well he calls plays, makes great game adjustments, and blames "execution" an the main reason the plays didn't work.

Posted by: dcwun | December 23, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Portis has no place to comment because he may not be here next year to play under shanahan....

Posted by: ife80 | December 23, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

im so sick of portis, i wish someone else would take him so hed be another teams headache....

Posted by: moss1122 | December 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

dcwun, I take it back, if you have been a fan for three decades I think that you are a good man and I am glad that you will stick with your team! I have been following them since the 1971-72 season and I will never change my colors either. Sorry that I got carried away a bit!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | December 23, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

I think that when we are talking about replacing Portis, one of the most important considerations should be to find someone with a better command of the English Language. You know, someone who can conjugate verbs and have the subject of his sentence agree in number with the rest of the phrases. That shouldn't be too hard, though.


What worries me about Shanahan, is I think those older guys who have coached a long time are closer to burn out. He has put in a lot of work in Denver, had success, and is rolling in money. I could easily see him retiring in three years if things are taking longer to turn around than he expected. And the sad fact is, things are likely going to take longer to turn around here for the one reason we all know. Owner.

Posted by: David90 | December 23, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I hate Portis.

Posted by: DCUnited2 | December 23, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I wish these "professionals" would just shut up and play.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | December 23, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Portis needs to realize.
A. If Shanahan comes or doesn't. His run here is up.
B. He can still play, and will be a star...BUT NOT HERE!!!!
C. His time here is up...'HEY CLINTON...YOU DID GET PAYED AFTER ALL'

Posted by: johnjohn505 | December 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

WE GOTTA BEAT THE COWGIRLS AND END THIER SEASON!!!

Hopefully Allen can find a way to get something in a trade for Portis, and a 1&3 pick for restricted Campbel (I want to see him go somewhere else so he can be happy).

I also want Russ Grimm for the next coach.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | December 23, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis is Awesome. The dude is as tough as they come and anyone who calls him lazy is ignorant. He's done amazing things in the community too. Maybe he talks too much, but his teammates love him and they KNOW he'll play his heart out on Sundays. I'd love to see him in a supporting role to a rookie next year!

Posted by: wewbank1 | December 23, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Portis has taken too many hits to the head.

Posted by: muddapucker | December 23, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Portis Haters love to post their venom on here. The dude has DESTROYED his body for your entertainment.

And if someone wanted to pay YOU that much money, YOU would take it too! Remember that WE drive the market for these contracts.

Posted by: wewbank1 | December 23, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

cmterpsnskins, spread your ignorance somewhere else.

I HATE PORTIS-BASHERS

Posted by: wewbank1 | December 23, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

campbell speaks a dialect of english that many in his state(louisiana I think) speak if you had ever been thru the south genius you would know that. the usa is full of different dialects of english even in england many of them say YOU don't speak english..deal with it.

Posted by: wathu19 | December 23, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is Denver is probably laughing.

One of the smartest moves Shanahan ever made in Denver was
after watching Clinton the Clown Portis strutting up & down with a wrestling belt on the sidelines, showing off for the cameras

GOT RID of Portis and traded for Champ Bailey, probably one of the smartest trades in Broncos history.

Shanahan probably laughed out loud when he heard Portis "approves" of his hiring.

If indeed Mike Shanahan *does* go for Snyder's wallet,
Clinton "it can't be TOO much of a crime" (dogfighting) Portis will likely be out the door asap. Shanahan hates big contracts for has-beens and big-mouthed troublemakers.

Posted by: daveque | December 24, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

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