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Portis Rips Zorn (Updated)

Dan Steinberg reports:

So we officially have a chemistry problem. Clinton Portis unloaded on Jim Zorn over and over again during today's "John Thompson Show" appearance. He swore, he suggested maybe he should go on the injured reserve, he offered to become a cheerleader, and he said this, when asked what adjustments should be made.

"We got a genius for a head coach, I don't know, I'm sure he on top of things. He's got everything figured out. Hey, that's up to him. All I can do is when he calls a play is go out and try to execute to the best of my ability."

More quotes (and this will keep updating until I'm done transcribing):

On being benched: "You know, I think when you come to me, man, it's just a matter of who wants to see me out. You know, London Fletcher played in the game and didn't practice all week. All of the sudden it gets aggravating to [see me] standing on the sideline and you see me step into something and pick it up and understand what's going on. I haven't missed a meeting, I haven't missed a practice. I'm outside, I hear everything everybody else hears. It kind of shocked me too, but hey that's what the man said. You go back and watch film, I guarantee you won't see me make no mistakes. Maybe he's watching a different film than me."

On his understanding of the situation: "If it's an issue with me, you tell me that. Outside of Jim Zorn and the coaches on that team and maybe the quarterbacks, I guarantee you I know our system better than anybody else, I guarantee when we go over blitz pickups I don't miss my man. I don't know what it is, bro. If anybody got a problem with me, they need to talk to me. I don't know whats going on."

On communication: "Hey, they don't tell me nothing. They don't have to answer to me, bro. One day it's fun, it's nice, you smile, you happy for me, you appreciate the way I play on the field, you just wish I would practice. If I could practice, I'd practice. If my injuries weren't legit than the training room wouldn't hold me out, they'd have me on the field. I think people get caught up into the conversation of the media but then tell you not to get caught up into the conversation....

"I go out there and give it everything I've got. If I can run through the week I'd practice, if I can't then I ain't. And I'm not gonna force myself to go onto a field and do something crazy, and then all of the sudden I'm out. What I need to be around for is Sundays and that's what I try to be around for. So I mean, if you've got a problem with me not practicing and can't do it that way, maybe you feel like you need to sever ties, split ties with me? Split ties with me. But don't sit here and throw me out like I don't pay attention, like I don't know what's going on, like I'm making mistakes, I'm the problem. You know, so, it is what it is, bro."

On his blocking assignments: "You know, one day it's chip on your way out, then if you don't chip and you get out and the quarterback gets sacked it's like, 'Oh, you need to help this man out.' So they don't know what they want. They want you to chip, they want you to block, Jason's on his ass all game long, you're trying to stay in and help, and then it's, 'Oh, you should have gone out, they was coming to you.'
"I've been wide open, they don't come to me. But then he over there and came free and he done got the wind knocked out of him from getting sacked and getting hit in the back, then it's, 'Aw man you've got to help out, you've got to chip.' So you know, I don't think they know what they want me to do. You know, when things going good you're getting praised. I don't know if people getting aggravated with me getting attention. I don't know what it is."

On his coaches: "If my coaches don't feel like I can get it done, put me on the sidelines. You feel like I can help this team, put me on the field, and that's all I've got to say about it. I don't' have to confront them. They know what they've got. They know what's standing on the sideline. Five weeks ago, three weeks ago, four weeks ago when I'm sitting first in the NFL and all of the sudden we don't run the ball no more? I'm hurt, and that's why we ain't running it? Cmon. You [kidding] me?"

On the lines of communication: "It ain't lack of communication with me because that's some BS to go out and say I don't know what's going on. When have I missed a meeting? Let me start missing meetings. Let me not come out and practice, let me sit my [butt] in the training room if I don't know what's going on. What am I standing outside for?"

By Cindy Boren  |  December 9, 2008; 3:48 PM ET
 
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Comments

Greg, you just don't get it man, a good coach would have talked with CP on the sidelines while its happening, not go to the media and call him out after the fact, (as he did in the preseason about him), and then to not talk to him before Tuesday is pitiful. Good coaches don't do that. Zorn screwed up on this one, not CP, and Zorn deserves the heat, these are grown men not high school kids, if Zorn is going to call players out in the media then they have every right to call him out to.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Zorn is still green... Hmm,, Lorne Greene, Zorn Green... Interesting.

Anyways, it's pop psychology 101 to come down hard on your best pupil in order to get the others in line,. Unfortunately, it rarely works, which is why it's limited to textbooks.

Gibbs did nothing but praise Portis weekly (even daily) when he was HC, and it didn't cause Portis to slack off one bit. Also, Portis deserved every bit of that praise - even if it was delivered in typical Gibbs "He fought his guts out" terminology.

Gibbs also never called out Riggo; again, he didn't need to. Guys like Riggins, Portis, et al, are going to give you all they got on Sunday, no matter what.

Maybe Zorn will learn that it's time to start calling out the people who actually screw up during a game, from Suisham and Plackemeier to Mike (hands on his hips from the time he enters the game, as if he's already exhausted) Green to ARE's putrid punt returns.

If he doesn't start doing that, his time here may indeed be short.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a guy who doesn't like to practice.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Must be a conspiracy against Portis.

Didn't see 'em complaining about Betts.


Redskins nation has now turned on Zorn. This is all it will take.

I love CP but man, come on with that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Portis called out the coach, and people are happy about it. Portis put HIMSELF above the team, and thats what guys think is good for this squad.....

zj, thanks, if you think what I say is wrong, then I'm doing EVERYTHING right.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 3:45 PM

Greg - When you go home, listen to the conversation. CP was not being selfish.

Listen for yourself......

I SUGGEST EVERYONE TO HEAR THIS. THIS IS A MUST HEAR. DON'T READ TRANSCRIPTS. DON'T READ BLOGGERS POST. GO TO ESPN980.COM AND LISTEN FOR YOURSELF.

(GWeez - Caps is a must right now...)

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

This bodes well for the future. Does anybody else see that Clinton won't ever play for a winner here in DC? Maybe its time to trade him to a contender in the offseason for a late 1st round pick and start building towards the future. He deserves to play for a team that actually has an offensive line...the Patriots?

Posted by: nonpointt1423 | December 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

For the good of this franchise, Zorn needs to not lose on this.

Once a player gets too much control, the team is in trouble ... any team

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

So the problem does seem to be communication alright.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Agreed zjfr2. In a Portis vs Zorn dispute, I side with Portis. He has earned the benefit of the doubt. All Zorn has done is fail to adjust his schemes to what defenses are doing to us and stick with players (Jansen, Yoder, Randel-El) who aren't getting it done.

They benched him in what amounted to scapegoating, thereby removing the one threat on our offense that teams, even as stout as the Ravens have to worry about.

Posted by: keino83 | December 9, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe Zorn will learn that it's time to start calling out the people who actually screw up during a game, from Suisham and Plackemeier to Mike (hands on his hips from the time he enters the game, as if he's already exhausted) Green to ARE's putrid punt returns.

If he doesn't start doing that, his time here may indeed be short.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 3:55 PM "

how do you KNOW Portis didn't make mistakes?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like someone is trying to turn Zorn into this year's Cam Cameron.

Exactly the same scenario: 'offensive genius' (prone to over-thinking) who is described as lacking communication and leadership skills, loses the respect of the locker room.

I really hope not guys, I really hope not. As someone said, once a locker-room over throws a coach they pretty much ALL have to go, because no coach worth his salt would come in on that basis.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

An angry Portis isn't a bad thing ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I will say that CP is the best back in the league at picking up the blitz and cheaping coming out of the backfield.

As far as he called me out I called him out it does not really matter, they both should of handled it in private.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

zj, you don't call the coach out. PERIOD. Nothing good from this will happen, nothing good comes from ripping your coach on the Radio.

Fire Zorn, and see what happens....you think guys like Spags will want to interview now, you think guys like Fassell will want to come here knowing that CP runs the show.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is a rookie coach who obviously let the team's early success go to his head. He told the media Jansen was being benched and had said nothing to Jansen - who found out from the media!! He continues to call his players out without taking the blame himself. Of course the media loves it - he has become a media darling - since Gibbs would not say ANYTHING except "we are all in this together and fighting our guts out". Since Zorn is losing games, he needs to play his best player, run the damn ball, and just shut up!

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the twobiggest issue here is that..

1. Portis (and my guess a lot of the team) take issue with Zorn being inconsistent in terms of play calling, personnel and general team rules.

2. There is no way the team can be happen that Zorn hasn't taken any responsibility himself. Everything has been blamed on the players to this point and Zorn himself doesn't seem to have held himself accountable. Clearly, this finally spilled over with Portis letting loose..

Posted by: Skins211 | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, just awful. 4th Caps away my man this deserves it.

Posted by: Gweez | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

When it rains it pours.....

Posted by: Cobain | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree with CP calling Zorn out, but it sounds to me like Zorn is getting out coached and blaming things on the players. CP is the heart and soul of this team, and he has never had problems like this before. I think Zorn is in over his head, and if it takes blowing this team up and getting a great coach in here, then i'm all for that. CP should keep this in house, keep the positive locker room we've always had!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

repost....

CP says the schemes are too heard or too many? Do we need smarter players, as well as better, more physically gifted players? WTF?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 3:47 PM

CP never said the schemes were too hard. He did imply that 25 pass pro schemes may be a reason why the pass pro has been struggling.

Posted by: TWISI | December 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

And there it is for all of you doubters of CP.

I don't like the controversy, but it is what it is and now has to be delt with. Once a car crash happens and injuries occur rehabilitation is REQUIRED. It is not possible to turn the clock back and move on as if it never happened. The wounds are there and they must be nursed in order to heal.

Unfortunately, Zorn & CP have opened up a really big gash. This is going to have to be dealt with and dealt with quickly. My guess is because Zorn has allowed these negative emotions to continue to fester in the locker room without addressing them head on through open communication, then Zorn will have to take the fall for this. Is this particularly good for our team and organization...OF COURSE NOT.

However, if we simply ignore it and pretend it never happened are our players going to continue to respect their coach and buy into his schemes providing 100% effort every day? Who knows. That uncertainty is the very uncertaintly that will absolutely necessitate the firing of JZ. Like it or not, his failure to address his players behind closed doors and in a respectful manner has resulted in an brash and potentially irrational lashing out by the team leader. Is it appropriate? Maybe not, because two wrongs do not make a right.

Regardless, CP is correct in what he is saying despite how he decided to say it. The players are behind CP and our hopes are with the players. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who to back!

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"They benched him in what amounted to scapegoating, thereby removing the one threat on our offense that teams, even as stout as the Ravens have to worry about.

Posted by: keino83 "

dude that wasn't putting Portis as a scapegoat. You CAN'T put Portis as a scapegoat. You think all of a sudden everyone's gonna say "Oh, Portis isn't that good, he's ruining the team"? Come on.

Portis is banged up and Betts has pretty much always been a better receiving threat out of the backfield than Portis. That's what I think it was.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

how do you KNOW Portis didn't make mistakes?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Even if he did make mistakes, or his leg had fallen off, you don't not communicate with your best player during the game, after the game or during the week, that's dumb. You then don't compound it by addressing it to the media still without ever talking to your superstar, that's even dumber. And right now that's all Zorn is showing that he's dumb and dumberer. Teams got the film on him and he hasn't adjusted one bit, he's getting his young qb killed and now he's fighting with his best player. That aint smart.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I will say that CP is the best back in the league at picking up the blitz and cheaping coming out of the backfield.

As far as he called me out I called him out it does not really matter, they both should of handled it in private.


Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM |

That should be chipping

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It's disingenuous to play the guy when he doesn't practice and you WIN and have no complaints about him, then turn around and kvetch about how he didn't practice so he didn't what he was doing and had to be yanked from the game you were losing.

Gary Clark had two rotten hammys and almost NEVER practiced in his time here; amazingly, he was still able to run his routs and perform at a high level.

Did Suisham practice last week? Because he sure didn't look like he knew what he was doing Sunday night. Same goes for Plackemeier, Green, Jansen (before he went out), etc.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I love CP, but he is turning into another TO.

Posted by: cacla | December 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

CP never said the schemes were too hard. He did imply that 25 pass pro schemes may be a reason why the pass pro has been struggling.

Posted by: TWISI |

ok, ok... a bit nitpicky eh? Imply or say, it gets the point across that the team, except for himself, the coaches and maybe QB's are the only ones that get the assignments!
What a joke.
Management better follow the lead of a winning organization and back the coach here. One player, even CP, isn't worth the team.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Zorn on now...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn is a rookie coach who obviously let the team's early success go to his head. He told the media Jansen was being benched and had said nothing to Jansen - who found out from the media!! He continues to call his players out without taking the blame himself. Of course the media loves it - he has become a media darling - since Gibbs would not say ANYTHING except "we are all in this together and fighting our guts out". Since Zorn is losing games, he needs to play his best player, run the damn ball, and just shut up!


Posted by: Lisa_R"

and Jansen SHOULD HAVE been benched a long damn time ago.


and my hunch as to why Jansen hasn't been benched? Cause the players cried and moaned about it and Zorn let them win their battle to keep the vet as the starter over the undrafted free agent Heyer who the other vets on the OL weren't as cool with.

let's all sick back and watch our franchise implode.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

We need a receving back for next season anyways. I don't like this Redskins identity of needing to run Portis to be successful. Too delicate of a system and doesn't allow for enough points. The Broncos could use him back. Let Zorn get the players he needs.

Posted by: TheCultureOfLosing | December 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"think Zorn is in over his head, and if it takes blowing this team up and getting a great coach in here, then i'm all for that"

My favorite line from above.

Great coach's ALWAYS want to come and coach a team where the players run the show......I'm sure Bill Cowher is just SALIVATING at this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

you guys do know that this place will be divided along racial lines right. most blacks up in here will side with CP and most everyone else will side with zorny.

at least that's what i'm seeing so far.

i'm on the fence and you know why: F Vinny!.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was always going to have challenges. This is why having a character team is so important. The London Fletchers are not going to lose focus over what Portis said. I'm glad that Chad Johnson isn't here to make matters worse.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

4th please post what JZ has to say about this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

IMO both sides are to blame on this. Zorn has made some mistakes with communication and seemingly working through the media. I believe it may be his idea of accountability. I think the fact that he seemingly shoulders no blame, media-wise anyway, may account for some loss of respect in the locker room. He definitley should have worked this out with CP in private. I didn't hear the show, but it sounds like Portis went a little overboard with his calling out (but not calling out) the coach. I think that it can still be worked out internally; it is not necessarily a situation where Zorn has to go, or Portis has to. They are both adults and professionals and should be able to get past something like this. I guess it's going to be up to Zorn on the next show (to discontinue any "war of words"). Let's hope that they can patch things up. Not sure why some fans are excited about this, unless you own stock in 980.......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I think the twobiggest issue here is that..

1. Portis (and my guess a lot of the team) take issue with Zorn being inconsistent in terms of play calling, personnel and general team rules.

2. There is no way the team can be happen that Zorn hasn't taken any responsibility himself. Everything has been blamed on the players to this point and Zorn himself doesn't seem to have held himself accountable. Clearly, this finally spilled over with Portis letting loose..

Posted by: Skins211 | December 9, 2008 4:00 PM |

I totally agree with that. I also think this has boiled up from the culture that permeated with CP before Zorn was even hired.

Remember when Zorn ripped CP on the sideline for going into a game without his notice. You think that would ever happen under Gibbs. No because he was free to go in the game whenever he wanted. And I don't think Portis ever got over that.

CP was spoiled for a while around here. Now I'm not saying he didn't earn some of that because he put his head down and carried us for a couple of years now. But I think he can't handle having to submit to this new regime when he had almost free reign in the last one.

Now we'll see just what kind of coach JZ really is.

Oops. Gotta run to the car.....

Posted by: Predator48 | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS A PROBLEM!! I am sure our top notch owner & front office expert can work it out. They will either fire the coach or trade Portis for Chad Johnson. What a joke this once proud franchise has become. 10 years it has been a poor to mediocre product and the fans are being charged Super Bowl prices.

Posted by: dph60 | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"think Zorn is in over his head, and if it takes blowing this team up and getting a great coach in here, then i'm all for that"

My favorite line from above.

Great coach's ALWAYS want to come and coach a team where the players run the show......I'm sure Bill Cowher is just SALIVATING at this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Beantown...are you new to the Redskins organization?

Since when has anyone come to DC with something beside $$$ in mind!

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I know a lot of you don't want a new coach, or you don't think anybody in their right mind would come coach this team. However, this is the Redskins, not the Lions. The franchise is historic, and has rings to show for itself! If Danny boy shuts his hole, and lets a guy have some control, we might get the right man for the job!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Zorn:

We HAVE to HAVE some sucess...

On Portis:

He wasn't benched. We wanted Ladell in in the 3rd QTR. He didn't play as much as he wanted (Ladell).

Ladell gave the best opportunity in pass routes AND Protections.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

this Zorn interview was definitely pre-recorded so don't expect to hear any response to the Portis blow up.

Posted by: Skins211 | December 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Jansen should have been benched, yes, but as a 10 year vet and bookend rock of this team for years you don't let him find out through the media that he's lost his job. You follow that up by calling out CP in preseason, getting in his face in game on camera, and then this week's fiasco, that's stupid. you were all happy when he went off on Seattle without practicing and now all of a sudden he aint good enough. That's bs, Zorn has been terrible so far at team management.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm not calling for Zorn's head. I want him to succeed and I think he can.

But I am pointing out that's he's inexperienced, and he'd better re-think his Frank Kush approach (what good did that ever do old Frank at the NFL level?) to coaching his players.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

ask Strahan about Coughlin and how upset he was. what does he think now?
the inept FO needs to grow a pair and back their HC if they want any respect around the league. No one is irreplaceable, even CP.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Spags already turned this job down last offseason. And I really don't expect any name coach to come here if a change is made unless Vinny Cerrato is sent packing. The early returns on that 2008 draft are as sour as any I can remember given all the selections the team made. Usually with 10 picks 2 or 3 guys stand out as players you can see being with the club for some time to come. Instead this class is Chris Horton and 8 other players who are all question marks. What's worse NONE of the Day 1 picks (4 of them)have shown flashes of why the Redskins rated them that highly.

Portis' outburst was not unexpected. Zorn is not a commanding presence and some veterans with large contracts are going to feel immune speaking out when they don't like what is going on as a result.

Zorn appears confused and withdrawn now that the season has begun to unravel, his post-game press conferences are largely more techno-babble about technique and being inches away from making plays.

It's beginning to sound a lot like Norv Turner's 'we fought our guts out today' speeches we used to hear in the late 1990's.

What this team needs now is LEADERSHIP, a firm hand, not a super-wonk that wants to talk about football philosophy.

Guys like Bill Walsh were great at TALKING about X's and O's but they were also effective at LEADING THE TEAM on Sundays and not accepting less than 100%.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Problem is Zorn is Cocky and Arogant, he believes his scheme is supreme and the players are the ones messing it up.

Problem is the coach must also adjust to the players as much as the players must adjust to the coaches.


zorn is starting to turn into the ol ball coach who thought his scheme was supeior and it was the players fault, and that he didnt need to adjust his scheme.

that is CRAP

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 4:04 PM

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

JZ isn't aware of what just went down....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

zorny:
"i'm looking forward to having him out there as our every day back."

"portis will practice this week"

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

They're asking Zorn about CP being on the bench Sunday.

Zorn's explanation is perfectly rational, but has too many "I think" in it.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Portis can not be cut or traded his contract is way to big:

Trade no team will take on his salary.

Release it would cost the Skins 15 million in salary cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

No mistakes? How does Portis forget he fumbled causing 6 points for the Ravens? Yea, either way...Zorn has lost the team if they're willing to blast him outside the locker room. I'm loading up on CIN whatever the spread.

Posted by: ewoldtk | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

my apologies. i was wrong. this zorn interview is live. he is not really responding to the portis stuff. just expects him to play a big part in the game this weekend and he is glad he can practice this week.

Posted by: Skins211 | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Updated, with more Portis quotes.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Great coach's ALWAYS want to come and coach a team where the players run the show......I'm sure Bill Cowher is just SALIVATING at this.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, salivating at the money Danny boy throws at him! You wait and see!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"portis is wicket on the field"

"portis wasn't exact and quick on the field in baltimore"

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Portis doesn't like to practice.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

wicket=wicked (sorry red, didn't mean to get you all excited with that cricket ref.)

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Since when has anyone come to DC with something beside $$$ in mind! "

There you go, sorry for trying to be logical....lets bring back Steve Spurrier because that worked out so well.....you want a coach coming into this team with MONEY on his mind, and nothing else......

Deal, I couldn't care less if the player was green, this ENTIRE thing, should have been handled INTERNALLY...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is trying to be head coach, qb coach and offensive coordinator.

That's like being trying to be President, Secretary of State and Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

4th, you know that's BS! of course he knows what went on. he's just trying to cool the situmation...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, this stinks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 9, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

bigtime

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

SPECIAL TEAMS UPDATE

PUNTING
Zorn just said the punter is IMPROVING. He is blaming it on punt protection NOT the punter.

PUNT RETURN
ARE is our returner according to Zorn. He did want Moss to return TWO last week but Moss said his hami was tightening up. No other changes will happen. No chance of Rock returning punts this year.

KICKING
Basically did not address it. Just wants to make field goals..

Posted by: Skins211 | December 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Pretty unprofessional display, frankly.

Posted by: PDiddy | December 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Greg, nobody in this is right. Zorn should not have called out Portis. Portis should not have called out Zorn. Everyone should be calling each other "Super Smart"

Posted by: Gweez | December 9, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

greg, that would be a sign of a competent organization. (sorry i know i keep beating that horse...but really don't you think all these things wouldn't be happening in a professionally run org?)

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

They did ask about Portis and his comments about going on IR, limited the questions in this area and Zorn was able to bypass the issue to a significant extent. for example, he said there was no plan to put him on IR. Duh.

Picking on the rookies receivers right now.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Since when has anyone come to DC with something beside $$$ in mind! "

There you go, sorry for trying to be logical....lets bring back Steve Spurrier because that worked out so well.....you want a coach coming into this team with MONEY on his mind, and nothing else......

Deal, I couldn't care less if the player was green, this ENTIRE thing, should have been handled INTERNALLY...


Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Again, Beantown...I am a Peon and you are a Peon. Neither one of our opinions mean anything. There is no vote. There is nothing we can do beside avoid the games and avoid the merchandise sold by Danny Boy. These are just facts. You can either accept them or choose to ignore them.

This is the culture that Danny has established. He isn't going any where so learn to live with it like everyone else.

Besides, we already attempted the resurection of the Redskins of old in Gibbs 2.0. That didn't work out so well did it.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

"Since Zorn is losing games, he needs to play his best player, run the damn ball, and just shut up!"

Sorry Lisa, but I don't buy this. Portis is the Redskins' best offensive weapon when healthy, but it's been obvious for weeks now that he has lost that breakaway burst he had at the beginning of the season. Running behind a crappy o-line has taken its toll on him. Frankly, Betts should have received even more playing time than he has gotten so far in order to spare Portis the pounding.

Portis does need to be benched, but in his defense, Portis also needs to be communicated with. That was Zorn's huge mistake. Can he recover from it like Coughlin did? Only time will tell.

Posted by: jcabana | December 9, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

if Snyder is smart, he back the HC, and gets them both together, and DEMANDS they work this out. This needs to be squashed, and soon...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

cant we all just get along?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: deadskin | December 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not a head coach, he's Norv 2.0 his answers are just not good enough and like someone else said its just a lot of techno babble that really doesn't answer anything and he's stubborn,

question: "have you ever thought about Rock returning punts?"

Zorn: "No we're not gonna look at that really..."

Question: "and why's that?"

Zorn: "Antwaan is our punt returner"

Question: "But you think Rock could do it if necessary"

Zorn: "oh absolutely"

Stupid

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm glad this happened (and let's not forget it all began with Zorn putting CP on the sideline, regardless of his "reasons").

It's a fork in the road for Zorn. He can either adjust his decision-making and have a chance to succeed, or he can stand fast like Captain Smith and watch his ship take on water.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

if Snyder is smart, he back the HC, and gets them both together, and DEMANDS they work this out. This needs to be squashed, and soon...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Beantown are you a Kindergarden teacher?

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

ZORN INTERVIEW

In regards to Thomas, Kelly and Davis...

SAME OLD STORY..

Thomas is improving...

Kelly is still lagging in scheme but has shown signs...

Davis still has no idea out there and has not shown anything in SPECIAL TEAMS which has bothered Zorn. Zorn said that is why he has not been activated much. There are plans to use him this week but it depends on practice this week to even see if he dresses..

Obviously, Thomas doing well on special teams has somehow earned him more chances on offense. I don't really get that at all...

Posted by: Skins211 | December 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Grown men do their jobs as they are asked to do it, not go their own way.

Grown men are held accountable when they don't do said job.

Clinton is a great player, but he tends to do his own thing. He doesn't like practice, and Zorn has looked the other way with regards to that - UNTIL he didn't do his job properly in the B-more game...no more looking the other way after that.

I don't think anyone would deny Clinton gives great effort - but if you don't practice all week, and then don't do what the gameplan instructs, it effects things in a negative way.


Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

greg, that would be a sign of a competent organization. (sorry i know i keep beating that horse...but really don't you think all these things wouldn't be happening in a professionally run org?)

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:16 PM

Sorry dealer1, you can't blame this on the FO. Zorn did not handle things right and led to CP sounding off on the radio.

I am with Greg on this, you always handle these types of things in-house. A leader never criticizes his people in public.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Greg, (your popular) I don't want a coach that just has money on his mind. I was simply saying that a high profile coach would come here because it's the Redskins, a team with great tradition, and then Danny boy will flash the cash! I guess I might be wrong about a new coach, but I still feel Zorn is in way over his head, and now has lost the locker room. What usually happens after that?

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

grown men should also be treated like grown men.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the point made in an earlier post is also true: Portis got special treatment from Gibbs - something Zorn is trying to get away from - and I think when you've pretty much done things your own way, then all the sudden you don't have that freedom, you can get bitter.

It would have been great for Zorn to explain himself on the sideline to Portis, but seriously, should a coach have to go placate individual players while in the midst of managing a game?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was not told the extent of CP's comments on 980 just now. They told him that CP had mentioned being placed on IR but did not tell him the rest. They also missed a golden opportunity to ask Zorn why he has not been communicating with CP.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

This really is turning into a no-win.

Portis should not have been hung out to dry that way, but he also needs to understand that Zorn's head is only in the game on game day.

Zorn needs to understand that each person needs a different type of communication. Portis' ego is big - even for an NFL player - so he needs to be 'included', not just treated like a fungible running back.

If I were Vinny I'd call them both into the office tonight and tell them no-one goes home till the air is cleared and hands are shaken.

Then I start planning to replace whichever one of these I think is the weakest link going forward, because they probably can;t both stay long term.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Whatever. Portis complained about Gibbs too.

The big concern today is this news that Zorn had some kind of mandate to play Campbell and only Campbell.

That Gibbs thought of benching JC even before he got hurt, and that he told Snyder there should be an open competition at QB this year.

That Williams felt the same way and it may have cost him the job.

That even Jim Fassel wouldn't guarantee Snyder that JC would be the quarterback.

Wow.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | December 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

red, tradition gets Detroit the Thanksgiving day game, how is that working out??


Again, no coach worth their weight is gonna want to come here knowing that the first time they cross portis, they're done.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Can't we all just get along????

Posted by: DamManly | December 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

This story will blow over soon enough. Everyone on the Skins knows Portis and a microphone is an interesting mixture. There is less here than meets the ear.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"if Snyder is smart, he back the HC, and gets them both together, and DEMANDS they work this out. This needs to be squashed, and soon...

Posted by: BeantownGreg"

the thing is, Portis is Synder's BOY

just like Snyder was basically saying "You come to be our coach, you will start Jason Campbell as QB", except with Portis it's just supposed to be understood. You don't eff with CP if you're working for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

This was inevitable.

When Portis was on the sideline in the second half Sunday night, everyone was wondering what the heck was going on, and Madden said he could not fathom not having your best player on the field (this was after the sideline reporter said CP was not injured).

Now, fast forward to Tuesday, and CP says the coaches have yet to speak with him about what went down.

That's a communication problem all right, on the part of the coaching staff.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

rc, careful with the 'get both guys together' line of thought, because zj will ask if you're a kindergarten teacher.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21, your're right. Mike Green did look like he was going to die. I want to give him the beenfit of the doubt and say it was adrenaline. Maybe he should take oxygen like CP on the sidelines.

Zorn is an idiot. He's wasting his time calling out his workhorse when his vanilla, can't threaten a soul offense is embarrasing. Cam Cameron looked like a genius!!!!!! As good as he is he gets it. Execution works as an excuse for one game; after that you need to start dialing up winners regardless of the challenges. That's why they pay u millions. Not to call out CP but to get the ball in the endzone!!!!

Posted by: bosa_18 | December 9, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

grown men should also be treated like grown men.

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Thank you dealer! CP and Jansen have been the foundation of this franchise and Zorn comes in with all of ummmmmm zero success and achievement as a coach and without ever communicating with them benches them and goes to the media to discuss it before he ever talks to him. That aint a coach, that's just dumb and all of us would feel the same way CP does and react the same way in his shoes.

Its easy to sit here and say CP should be quiet but he lays his body, career, and future physical health on the line every week and does it willingly and with no regard for his future and has literally been this teams entire offense for years and then gets benched and not even talked to. These guys aren't robots, they're emotional people and CP is hurt and pissed, kudos to Jansen for keeping quiet and then coming back in and playing hard, but Zorn has greatly mishandled this since he got here. I can't believe anybody at this level of coaching doesn't get it better than Zorn, obviously he enjoys being the quirky quotable offensive genius and hasn't figured out he's in charge of a group of men as well and has to keep moral up and get these guys all pointing in the same direction. Zorn's not a leader, and that is the first and foremost job of a head coach.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

This story will blow over soon enough. Everyone on the Skins knows Portis and a microphone is an interesting mixture. There is less here than meets the ear.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 4:25 PM |

Your kidding right? Leigh Torrance has not blown over, and this won't as long as there is media around.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

shaunsherman, exactly right. The point was driven home on Sports Reporters after the Zorn interview. Portis was accustomed to taking himself in and out of the game as he pleased under Gibbs 2.0. Everything was kosher when CP was calling the shots, but now that he no longer has that luxury, he's no longer in charge of his playing time, he's frustrated and calling out the coaches.

This obviously needs resolved STAT. Whoever said it before was right on, if DaVinnie have a clue, they'll get behind Zorn and sit these two MEN down and make them talk it out.

Nothing good can come from this without a resolution.


Posted by: ThePosse | December 9, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I wish there were some way we could blame this flap on Jason La Canfora...

Oh well, just because I can't think of anything at the moment doesn't mean some intrepid reader won't come up with something!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | December 9, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

So come Sunday, Portis is angrier and healthier than he's been in weeks. Bad thing?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

rc, careful with the 'get both guys together' line of thought, because zj will ask if you're a kindergarten teacher.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

proving you can't read (which I already knew) that wasn't me that accused you of that.

Beantown are you a Kindergarden teacher?

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg, No, Ford is the reason Detroit still gets the Thanksgiving game (they pay big bucks to get the staduim and commercials on t.v.) Bottom line is when the coach loses his locker room, then he loses his job! That's pro sports for you. Sad but true!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I hate Tuesday. It's the players off day, and there's never anything to blog about.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 9, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

lol 4-12. good one!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Jasno is secretly John Thompson.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 9, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

ESPN 1100 in Vegas has already reported Portis called out Jim Zorn on the radio! News travels fast!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

So come Sunday, Portis is angrier and healthier than he's been in weeks. Bad thing?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 4:30 PM |
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Nope. That's a good thing.

What would be even better is if the 5 underachievers who block for him and protect JC ALSO show up angry.

But I doubt they will.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

From the Times:
UPDATED (4:10 p.m.): During his appearance on 980 moments ago, Zorn said Portis was not benched but again mentioned that Portis wasn't as fine as he should have been in the passing game, a result of not practicing.

"[Not practicing was costly] is hard to say because the first couple weeks he didn’t practice, he gained 145 yards and 123 yards. But as the time went on, it wasn’t that we weren’t getting the running ability, he was doing great things in blocking and his effort was high. He would tell you this and I agree with him whole-heartedly, when he is playing the game, he’s giving you his best effort.

"He’s very wicked on the football field. He’s what you want. What I wanted on the field Sunday and each week, I felt in certain parts of the game, he was getting out on routes but it wasn’t exact and quick and I thought, ‘OK, here’s an opportunity for us to get Ladell in, who has practiced and knows it because he’s rehearsed it and rehearsed it.’ I just made the decision not to give [Portis] that chance."

Zorn said he expects Portis to practice Wednesday.

"He’s gotten himself healthy," Zorn said. "I’m looking forward to having him out there every snap practicing and getting ready for the Cincinnati Bengals so we can utlitize him on every down. From what I understand from our trainers, his knee is fine, his neck is no longer stiff."

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is not a head coach, he's Norv 2.0

............


Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:18 PM

Yes Yes Yes. I lived my football years (High School) watching Turner and I totally agree.

I say fire Norv 2.0 before he gives us anothe 6 years of disaster......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I promise to show up angry Sunday.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 9, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't get why everyone says "I don't want to do the start over thing again" we haven't done it yet! this is the same team Gibbs had last year thanks to Vinny's awful draft there is nothing different about this team from last year. If we did the start over thing by firing Zorn it would be the first time. and might not be terrible purge the old expensive not contributing vets you can, sign some young players get somebody to actually progress this rookies to the playing regularly level
and go from there. I think that's what everyone is missing, we're not in the middle of a transition from a roster standpoint, that is just getting ready to start, all we changed this year was half the offensive system (kept the Gibbs running attack) so how much do we really lose if Zorn has to go?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"Thank you dealer! CP and Jansen have been the foundation of this franchise and Zorn comes in with all of ummmmmm zero success and achievement as a coach and without ever communicating with them benches them and goes to the media to discuss it before he ever talks to him. That aint a coach, that's just dumb and all of us would feel the same way CP does and react the same way in his shoes"

don't put words in my mouth dude

I played sports. If I was pulled out of a game, I was pulled out of a game. I didn't expect the coach to come over and pat me on the back and explain why. That's crap. This goes for football where the coaching can be somewhat passive and basketball where the coaching is very active. That's BS.

This is a star player putting himself over the team. If you're benched, you're benched.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

So it is ok to call players out in public, but not ok for players to call coaches out?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I have never thought of myself as a Portis defender...

But, have you guys actually listened to the whole interview? Not the text. But listened to the interview?

If you didn't, I suggest you reserve judgement.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

‘OK, here’s an opportunity for us to get Ladell in, who has practiced and knows it because he’s rehearsed it and rehearsed it.’ I just made the decision not to give [Portis] that chance."
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OK. And here's what all that "rehearsing" did: Betts: 3 carries for 6 yards, 3 receptions for 57 yards."

As The A Team's Hannibal used to say, "I love it when a plan comes together."

Zorn's "decisions" are shaky at best. Maybe it's all that hanging around and bicycling with "The Decider," George W. Bush.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Snyder should try "time out". They can put a chair in the corner with a baking timer next to it.

Better yet, maybe Snyder can have the coaching staff and players punch a whole in their weekly conduct card and have them take it home for their wives to sign.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

You can call Portis a great player who plays hard - but I'm not calling him a grown up, sorry.

I agree Zorn should have talked to Portis privately. Still, Portis was treated special by Gibbs and is being a baby.

Sometimes I think we all lose sight of some things:

Portis plays hard: he's supposed to do that.

Portis blocks his man: he's supposed to do that.

Portis plays with annoying injuries: almost all worthwhile pros do that. The lineman he threw under the bus earlier this year, the same ones without which he wouldn't have had that huge payday and these big rushing totals, probably have broken almost all of their fingers, and get the crap beat out of them constantly.

Portis has complained openly a few times before, remember, not just with Zorn. Gibbs treated him very well, but he threw that coaching staff under the bus in 2006 when he busted his shoulder in a preseason game - right as he came off the field!


Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

There must be dirty laundry.
You KNOW there is dirty laundry.

Soap on a rope.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn is fired, will there be bells, flashing lights, a banner, and a balloon drop to commemorate JC's learning of his 10,000th offense?

Posted by: freakzilla | December 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the Bill Cowher talk!!! One Super Bowl in 15 seasons doesn't excite me. Does it you. I'd rather have Martty back but Danny won't give him control. And what makes Danny think Cowher will bring us a championship if he doesn't let Cowher run the show. If Danny is gonna back off and let everybody do their jobs I'd just asume have Martty over Cowher.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 9, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

4th, again, you don't call out the coach in public. EVER.

If CP didn't like getting called out in public by JZ, how hypocritical is it of him(CP) to do THE EXACT THING that pissed him off in the first place.

CP should have gone to JZ, and they should have talked....PERIOD..

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Please refrain from putting zorny in the same light as bill cowher or any other coach that has had headcoavhing or coordinator experience. Zorny was a QB coach.

Any coach can pick on star players but they have to have something to back it up. In this case everyone is on zornys side if zorny is 9-4 instead of 7-6...or if his offense is actually generating points

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

maybe this is jsut what we need...a little CP running his mouth and lighting a fire under Zorny like he did at the beginning of the season for the o-line...

i think we went on a 4 game winning streak after that and won 7 of our next 8...

the spark has to come from somewhere...

Posted by: deadskin | December 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Firing Zorn would not be the end of the world. We have not fully put in place the WCO or the personnel to run it. Our team as currently constructed is actually better suited for another type of office.

It would be a set back, but I don't know that it would be a HUGE setback.

Posted by: Soup17 | December 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Portis doesn't like to practice? Says who? he is banged up from carrying the ball just as many times as anyone else in the league for the past several years. Who forgets when he got his shoulder blown up making a tackle in a PRESEASON game. Tell me the dude doesn't want to practice but he gives maximum effort every snap. Time & time again he is praised for being the best blocking back in the league. Name one better.

To pull Portis was a mistake, to take any issues to the media was a bigger mistake for both parties. My thinking is this: Zorn has not changed his gameplans and has been exposed. Watch to see if Philly doesn't thrash us in a rematch in 2 weeks. Cam Cameron outcalled Zorn badly on Sunday night. the misdirection plays to Heap were excellent the double move to end it was great and we can not pass block long enough to set up 1 move let alone a double so you have to use misdirection. liek the Thomas call against NY but you can't rely on those plays all the time you have to run the ball and not come out passing 5 of 6 plays.....

Posted by: Hail2theChief | December 9, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Stop with the Bill Cowher talk!!! One Super Bowl in 15 seasons doesn't excite me. Does it you. I'd rather have Martty back but Danny won't give him control. And what makes Danny think Cowher will bring us a championship if he doesn't let Cowher run the show. If Danny is gonna back off and let everybody do their jobs I'd just asume have Martty over Cowher.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 9, 2008 4:43 PM |

That is funny how many SB does Marty have, that would be none in 21 years as a head coach he has won 5 playoff games.

Bill Cowher has 12 playoff wins in 15 years and 1 SB.

Lets get Marty back thats the ticket.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

greg, portis called out Gibbs what made you think zorny was going to be spared? And Gibbs didn't even insult him publicly...

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This is bad for a number of reasons, but IMO the main reason is because Vinny is tied to the Zorn hire. Any chance that Zorn is let go without taking Vinny with him is bad. I want Zorn to succeed and the Skins to get back to their winning ways, but the best way to get rid of Vinny is if Zorn fails.

Getting rid of Zorn because he lost the locker room could keep Vinny which is a bad thing!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Portis is praised, and he's earned it.

Not sure how long some people have been watching this team, but Clinton Portis is without a doubt the toughest, most consistent back this franchise has had since John Riggins.

He's paid a lot, he plays injured a lot, and earns his check.

Now, given their sizable salaries, who on the current offensive line makes anyone think of Grimm, Jacoby, Bostic, May, or Starke?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels and Justin Geisinger are moved to injured reserve, and Erasmus James has been released.

Tackle Devin Clark has been signed from the practice squad to the active roster as predicted, and the team has also signed free agent guard Will Montgomery.

Wide receiver Marques Hagans (that’s him in the picture) and guard Ruben Riley have been added to the practice squad

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

This will be all over the NFL Network tonight....

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels and Justin Geisinger are moved to injured reserve, and Erasmus James has been released.

Tackle Devin Clark has been signed from the practice squad to the active roster as predicted, and the team has also signed free agent guard Will Montgomery.

Wide receiver Marques Hagans (that’s him in the picture) and guard Ruben Riley have been added to the practice squad


Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:50 PM |

Greg were did you get this from?

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Curz, now ure thinking!!!! Like me...that's exactly why I'm not happy

Posted by: dealer1 | December 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

theredskinsblog.com.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said something about signing a lineman from the ATL practice squad as well as changing around the practice squad guys and promoting some to the active roster.

Posted by: Redcoat | December 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

they announced it on 980 also

James trade was a good one huh? woulda hit the FA market if we hadn't stepped in and given them a 7th for him, way to go Vinny!

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

oh and then kept him on the roster after training camp too, so that he could be inactive for every game then cut, good call Vinny

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Damn!!!! James should have been released before he cost us a draft pick!

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Geisinger? I guess I missed that.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 9, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow calling out the HC? This sure sounds like a team that's about to crater big time.

Posted by: skinswest | December 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

By my math (which is admittedly stinko) they opened 3 spots on the 53 man squad, but only added 2 guys to it.

Posted by: 4-12 | December 9, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

From redskins.com:


Redskins Roster Moves Include Signing Clark, Montgomery
Posted: December 9, 2008
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The Washington Redskins announced Dec. 9 that they have signed offensive tackle Devin Clark and guard Will Montgomery and have placed offensive lineman Justin Geisinger and tackle Chris Samuels on injured reserve.

In addition, the team released defensive end Erasmus James from the active roster and signed wide receiver Marques Hagans and guard Rueben Riley to the practice squad. Wide receiver Devin Aromashodu was signed off the Redskins’ practice squad to the Chicago Bears active roster.

Clark (6-4, 312) was promoted from the Redskins’ practice squad, where he spent the first 14 weeks of the 2008 season. He originally signed with Washington on May 2, 2008 and was with the team during training camp prior to being released on Aug. 30. He signed with Washington’s practice squad the following day.

Montgomery (6-3, 312) is in his third NFL season and has played in 13 career games, starting six, with the Carolina Panthers and the New York Jets. He was inactive for two regular season games with the Jets this season before being waived on Oct. 14.

Montgomery originally joined the Jets as a free agent on Sept. 19, 2007. He played in the team’s final seven games with two starts, was inactive for six additional contests, and did not play in one other game last season.

He originally entered the NFL as a seventh-round pick (234th overall) of the Carolina Panthers in 2006. In his rookie season, he played in six games with a career-best four starts.

A native of Clifton, Va., Montgomery prepped at Centreville High School.

Geisinger played in eight games in 2008.

Samuels started 12 games this season and was inactive with a knee injury at Detroit in Week 8. Samuels, a five-time Pro Bowl selection, sustained a triceps injury in the second half at Baltimore last Sunday.

James was originally acquired via trade for a conditional draft pick from the Minnesota Vikings on May 27, 2008. He played in five games and was inactive for eight additional contests.

Hagans (5-10, 205) has played in six career games with the St. Louis Rams (four games in 2007) and Kansas City Chiefs (two games in 2008), totaling nine receptions for 108 yards. He spent the majority of the 2008 season with the Chiefs’ practice squad.

Hagans originally entered the NFL in 2006 as a fifth-round draft pick of St. Louis out of the University of Virginia, where he played quarterback, wide receiver and kick returner. He is a native of Hampton, Va.

Riley (6-4, 305) spent the 2007 season with the Carolina Panthers practice squad. He spent parts of 2008 training camp with Miami and Carolina.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

One thing about guys who spout off like Portis, they tend to be able to let things blow over and not hold deep grudges. A win in Cincy and its 98% over with.

John Thompson closed his show by saying conflict is a part of life, its OK as long as its dealt with. John Thompson is correct.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 9, 2008 4:50 PM |

Greg were did you get this from?

I'm not Greg, but it's on the Redskins site.

http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Roster_Moves_Include_Signing_Clark__Montgomery_28829.jsp

Posted by: Cobain | December 9, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't seem to me like that big of a deal. The Ravens have the 3rd-ranked rush defense, weren't giving up anything on the ground, and Portis has been banged up. That means the Skins had to win through the air, and if CP is blocking instead of running routes, why not put in Betts? Give CP a rest for the next 3 games, even if he doesn't like it. He works hard and is sounding off, but he'll get over it.

Posted by: justinw1 | December 9, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Clinton claims he didn't miss any assignments Sunday night.

I don't know who I believe, but I can say that I saw Mike Sellers yelling at the O-line TWICE after plays in that game where JC ended up on his butt.

Did everyone on the O-line "rehearse" last week? If not, I can't understand why Zorn didn't sideline them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people jumped on JLa for thinking the Torrence release didn't make sense over other candidates. Including James. Turns out, we let Torrence go for no reason. Wished we'd at least gotten a 6/7th round pick for him (in the offseason?)

Me, I didn't think the Torrence release made sense at the time, but given the humor its brought to this board, I'm good with it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse


Two points:

1. This is gonna be HELL on the Glass half Full crew.

2. I just pray this doesn't degrade the value of my Geissinger Game Worn Jersey.

I'm sorry to make light. But aside from accidentally drafting a world class safety in the seventh round, the ONE other thing I credited Vinny with was accidentally finding a world class head Coach. I may be wrong, there.

Either Zorn or Portis will soon be gone i suspect--maybe both. Only one thing will remain. YOUR Vice President (for Life) of Football Operations, Mr. Vincent Cerrato.

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

To people saying "To pull Zorn was a mistake"

even if it was, which is debatable, so what?

Should players run their mouths like this everytime a head coach makes a mistake?

Newsflash, every single coach in the league right now has made a mistake before.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Clinton claims he didn't miss any assignments Sunday night.

I don't know who I believe, but I can say that I saw Mike Sellers yelling at the O-line TWICE after plays in that game where JC ended up on his butt.

Did everyone on the O-line "rehearse" last week? If not, I can't understand why Zorn didn't sideline them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 5:04 PM |

I saw Sellers miss a block that got JC sacked, and I saw him stand there why Betts ran right by him and got crushed at the line, so he should look in the mirror before yelling at someone.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, when Hall was signed we had to cut a CB. Until Tryon is let go, I have no problem with that move...

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

This is officially the first time I'll side with the player in a player-coach media tirade. Portis busts his ass and has never gone down this path in the media before. Zorn is new and pushed the wrong player with the wrong buttons.

Posted by: jesstyr | December 9, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Serious question from an Out of Towner...


Did the Portis Interview happen on the Redskin-owned station?

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hindsight is 50/50 guys.

Stop it wit hthe revisionist history. No one can predict the future.

As a Gibbs 2.0 supporter, now you see the traits Gibbs 2.0 brought in. We are one game out the playoffs, but because we have hard headed HC, the team is about to be 'blowed' up........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

At any rate, the fact that Jason Campbell has been sacked the third most in the NFL is an indictment on the front 5; football is not based on having backs and tight ends to provide the bulk of your protection.

Every one of those guys - including Samuels - has had a poor outing this year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

+++Hagans (5-10, 205) has played in six career games with the St. Louis Rams (four games in 2007) and Kansas City Chiefs (two games in 2008), totaling nine receptions for 108 yards. He spent the majority of the 2008 season with the Chiefs’ practice squad.+++


Sounds like the perfect Redskin receiver, combining the lack of physical stature of a Santana Moss with the on-field production of Malcolm Kelly.

Once again, kudos to the FO.

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Did the Portis Interview happen on the Redskin-owned station?

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:10 PM |

Yes

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

haha, hagans, another former college qb with an ability to return punts that will suck for us.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We need to get Bill Cowher or atleast Jim Fassel before it is to late. Jim Zorn looks like Steve Spurrier, just talks nicely with the media. Does not believe in max protect, does not believe in pass protection. He just does not believe in what is best for the team. It is just about his system.

Posted by: dnaik | December 9, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At any rate, the fact that Jason Campbell has been sacked the third most in the NFL is an indictment on the front 5; football is not based on having backs and tight ends to provide the bulk of your protection.

Every one of those guys - including Samuels - has had a poor outing this year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 5:11 PM

According to CP, the OLine has some 27 different protection schemes. Too many according to him.

Maybe Buges dosen't have total control over the oline like everyone thought........

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Jim Fassel is a turd give me a break.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

+++Hindsight is 50/50 guys.

Stop it with the revisionist history. No one can predict the future.

Posted by: 4thFloor +++

I can predict the future. If Vinny remains, the 'skins will continue to suck. That's not revisionism, that's a lock.


Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

heck no to Fassel, there's a reason he's sending letters to the Canadian league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what the "glass half full" crowd part has to do with this - this is just a case of a belief in a head coach getting to make decisions vs. a belief that the head coach needs to check in with the players before/right after he makes those decisions.

Portis has many upsides. He also has a big downside:

He's a Prima Donna. He's called out both coaching staffs since he's been here now: both the one that treated him like a saint AND the one that treats him like all the other players.

So...we can all fault Zorn, say he has lost the locker room, whatever...but Portis is the one with a track record for crying to the media about the things he doesn't like - from preseason participation, to not getting enough carries, to media personalities calling him out.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

"Doesn't seem to me like that big of a deal. The Ravens have the 3rd-ranked rush defense, weren't giving up anything on the ground, and Portis has been banged up. That means the Skins had to win through the air, and if CP is blocking instead of running routes, why not put in Betts? Give CP a rest for the next 3 games, even if he doesn't like it. He works hard and is sounding off, but he'll get over it."

the deal is Zorn should have spoken with Portis if not during the game, then afterward and gave him his stance. you owe that to your star player. the coach was showing his rank there & portis is just venting. and no way portis is released. too much of a cap hit.

Posted by: gregskins | December 9, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

during or right after is one thing and is debatable, having a talk with your best player prior to his regularly scheduled radio appearance might be a good idea

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok, ok.
1)Samuels on IR; 2)Geyser on IR; 3)EJames released.

a)Devin Clark signed to active roster; b)Will Montgomery to active roster.

Indeed, my 3=2 math seems correct. What am I missing?

Posted by: 4-12 | December 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Indeed, my 3=2 math seems correct. What am I missing?

Posted by: 4-12 | December 9, 2008 5:21 PM |

Your right they are probably holding a spot to sign another player before this weekend.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

+++Every one of those guys - including Samuels - has had a poor outing this year.

Posted by: MrRedskin21+++


Chris Samuels was playing at an All-Pro level until he injured his knee. Not only did he keep DEs and rushbackers off of campbell by himself, without chipping or a TE, he was the best blocker for Portis's runs, specially when Heyer was at right tackle.

But he faded badly when he got hurt.

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW ... and 70Chip thought the posters up HERE had a narcissistic ethos! This blog's got nothing on CP. Portis should just provide a little disclaimer up front, "Hey Man, I'm the one who just got three year contract extension. I can say whatever the hell I want. Now print it!"

Portis being Portis = Shockey being Shockey

Posted by: dcsween | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Maybe so, but I don't think a head coach should have to worry over the fragile sensitivities of a gazillion dollar a year prima donna. Doesn't he have better things to do?

Maybe Portis should grow the heck up. Just a thought.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

If we finish 8-8(assuming a win over the Bungals) or better and Cowher doesn't declare himself available Zorn should be safe. If we drop all three or we lose to Cincy this weekend, Zorn's butt my be getting really warm really quick.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, when Hall was signed we had to cut a CB. Until Tryon is let go, I have no problem with that move...

Posted by: Curzon417

not true. they could have cut anyone they wanted. E James included.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

you don't put your star player on the "going to physically save him for full practice & play the next week list" as an in-game adjustment and not tell him. another signal that zorn was lost after he fell behind. just like putting the geyser in to replace samuels and leaving him on an island against suggs.

Posted by: gregskins | December 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I am a sad Redskins fan right now. Everything is bad. :(

Posted by: rachel216 | December 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Look back to Preseason and the Giants opener...Zorn always blamed the players. Never took responsiblity for his mistakes. It's always "Oh recievers were wide open and Jason didn't see this...Jason didn't see that. Never mind that Jason may very well be eating dirt thanks to his poor schemes". Then Portis ran the hell out of the ball and Zorn was able to hide the fact that he is an inexperienced play caller. But the Redskins were winning thanks to Portis and Zorn took credit and let the record go to his head. Zorn probably thought he was the best thing ever after reading Sally Jenkins write about how he's the best thing to happen to the Redskins.

Then everyone in the league figured out that all Zorn is doing is Portis left...Portis right...Portis up the gut...and a screen to moss here and a bomb to Moss there. All of sudden they start blitzing every chance they get. Blitz to stop the run. Blitz to stop Zorn's pathetic passing plays. Then Redskins start losing.

When you are winning, it's not so bad having to put up with Zorn's blaming the players. When you start losing, blaming the players for everything gets old fast. Now the team and Portis is reacting to the self-appointed "genius" Zorn. Stark contrast to the type of coach that Gibbs was...taking blame for his players publicly and dealing with it as a team. Zorn just blames the players for his nub scheme.

The team is in trouble...but that's probably what it will take for the Redskins to finally get a good coach.

Posted by: mmz114 | December 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse


I'll say this. Erasmus James was no Jason Taylor out there.

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Portis spouts off. Is that new news?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Czabe is talking about Zorn possibly getting canned...lol

I don't think that will happen. At least I hope it won't.

JZ will be OK if he learns from his mistakes, just as he expects his players to learn from theirs.

However, if he is one of those guys that believes deep down that he's always right, no matter what, I see trouble ahead for him.

I was only half-joking about the company he keeps; the fact that he rides bikes with GW Bush - a guy who DEFINITELY believes he's always right no matter what - is unsettling.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I saw the same thing Flounder21 Ray Lewis ran right over the "CAVEMAN" without as much as Sellers even putting up a struggle so he's got no room to talk, they all got "punked" on offense Sunday night Please!!! JUST EVERYONE INCLUDING THE COACH AND HIS STAFF PUT A LID ON IT AND PLAY FOOTBALL.

Posted by: dargregmag | December 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

This was the same guy PRAISING Jim Zorn's "fun" offense before the season started. 22-32 yards per game when we need him most - NOT ZORN'S FAULT. FUMBLING PROBLEMS - NOT ZORN'S FAULT. Clinton should put himself on IR if he's that banged up. We have another back that's pretty capable that's rotting away on the bench. Stop playing the half healthy superstar names and play some fresh legs!!

Posted by: lszovati | December 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I can predict the future. If Vinny remains, the 'skins will continue to suck. That's not revisionism, that's a lock.


Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Funny and true!!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | December 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

RB's are a dime a dozen, and there will be quite a few FRESH legs in this years draft: Moreno, Wells, McCoy, etc.

Just look at Jonathan Stewart.

Portis needs to shut his yap. He has always been a selfish player, who cares about stats. Thats why he is mad, is because he is not "leading the league" anymore. He wasnt complaining last month when he was # 1 was he? Get him the F outta here.

Posted by: cj658 | December 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when the only talent on the team is washed up.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | December 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Zorn is clearly loosing it if he believes CP is the problem. Perhaps Zorn needs to give up the QB's Coach position. He clearly sold himself as the man who could take Jason to the next level and feels his success is tied to that, thus shifting the blame to other parts of the offensive. Campbell may never develop into a star quarterback. There's a lot to like about Campbell, but I never thought he had that field general and quick decision making ability which all the great ones do. With that, we could do a lot worse. But the point is not to critique Jason here, its to make the point that to be successful Zorn needs to be Head Coach, not QB Coach, not Offensive Coach, not Play Caller. A solid win Sunday and this will blow over...meanwhile, Hey Scouts, start searching the backwoods and the small schools and find some D & O linemen...you'll have to fill the ranks with late rounders and free agents.

Posted by: nomolehill | December 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the team sure has reacted to Zorn's blaming the mistakes on them...by losing more, executing like crap and getting walked over in the 4th quarter two games in a row.

That'll show him!

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Wheres BMitch when you need him. He was right about CP. The man keeps it real.

Posted by: cj658 | December 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Maybe so, but I don't think a head coach should have to worry over the fragile sensitivities of a gazillion dollar a year prima donna. Doesn't he have better things to do?

Maybe Portis should grow the heck up. Just a thought.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

And if we could all return to the world of the 1960s or high school ball that'd be great. "Shouldn't have to" and reality are different things. These are high paid talented people that you need to succeed. If you want to be successful part of your job as a head coach in pro sports these days is to massage egos and be a politician has much as it is to know the X and O's. Even Gibbs 2.0 understood this, with a salary cap and FA you just can't rule with an iron fist and say its my way or the highway to these guys and win. Look at the Giants, last year Coughlin relented midseason to Strahan and Osi on his strictness and they went on to win the super bowl, Zorn was a player in the 70's he's used to the iron fisted coaches of that era, he's never been a leader of players from this era and like it or not its a different league.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't it Portis's fumble that pretty much sealed our fate in Baltimore?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | December 9, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

not to confuse anyone with facts, but Betts had 60 total yards in the game, almost all thru the air. It was tops on the team, about 25% of the total offense for the game. Plus Betts had the big play on the only TD drive of the game.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, when Hall was signed we had to cut a CB. Until Tryon is let go, I have no problem with that move...

Posted by: Curzon417

not true. they could have cut anyone they wanted. E James included.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 9, 2008 5:23 PM

My point being that we would have had too many CB which did/does not make sense with the other needs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

JKC would have and did call his player into a room with Gibbs and had them settle it in private. Sorry Riggo and many of his teammates tolerated Saint Jo because they won and they put up with his preaching and treachery.

Non you have Danny Boy Snyder who wouldnt know leadership if it performed a bris on him right now.

This what happens when you have a boy playing a man in man's world.

Portis needs to go.

Posted by: omarthetentmaker | December 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Burn baby burn.

Is anyone really surprised?

This team will NEVER contend for a championship with Snyder as the owner.

neh- vir

Posted by: jgarrisn | December 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, except for humorous references, stop the serious "we should have kept Leigh Torrence" posts.

The guy was as useless as teats on a bull.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Is Ron Wolf still available?

Posted by: peterandmeredith | December 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis couldn't be more CORRECT. Look at the stats and record after 8 games. Then all of a sudden, the Redskins become a passing team and lose 4 out of 5 games. At the very least, Zorn should have called more runs with Sellers or Alexander or even Cartwright. (when Portis wasn't 100%).
The Redskins are a great running team, and a HORRIBLE passing team.

Posted by: tbarz1 | December 9, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

CP got benched because he fumbled the ball, messed up his route running/pass pro, and wasn't showing much of a burst against a good rushing D.

The coach shouldn't have to coddle his players' egos and justify who he puts in the game. Nor should he have to defend his decisions later.

Posted by: swowra | December 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Portis pockets are straight...no matter what...

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

How many F-ing times do I have to tell you people Portis can not be released 15 million cap hit. That would mean we could not sign any FA's, and we would have to release half the team to get under the cap.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The coach shouldn't have to coddle his players' egos and justify who he puts in the game. Nor should he have to defend his decisions later.

Posted by: swowra | December 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

again "shouldn't have to" and reality are two different things, if you want to lose long term its a good idea to piss off a top 3 back in this league who plays his guts out for you because you don't feel like taking the time to talk to him. That's just dumb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Zorn made a deal with the devil when he promised Vinny and Dan that JC would be the starter no matter what -- some thing none of the other coaches interviewed (even Fassel!) would do.

Posted by: MylesMonroe | December 9, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

haha lisa that was funny

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm a big CP fan, but he needed to keep his mouth shut to the media and take his beef straight to the coach behind the scenes.

Came off as whiny to me. Definitely undermining the team.

Posted by: swowra | December 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

again "shouldn't have to" and reality are two different things, if you want to lose long term its a good idea to piss off a top 3 back in this league who plays his guts out for you because you don't feel like taking the time to talk to him. That's just dumb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:38 PM |

zj,

This is crap there are good coaches that do not coddle players, Bill Belichick being one of them Parcells never coddled a player. Cower never coddled his players.

The difference is management is or was behind these coaches 100%.

Except for JJ and Parcells and JJ is worse then Snyder.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Z,

Zorn isn't fining his players $500 dollars because they aren't early to film session.

He expects his players to at least ATTEMPT to do as instructed. That's not just an "old time" concept, that's an "all time" concept.

If Portis wants to do what HE thinks he should do, he may sit. That wasn't the case with Gibbs, but it is now with Zorn.

I wrote earlier I'd liked for Zorn to have spoken with Portis about his reasons after the game, but I don't think he should have to make a list of potential grievances various players may have with him and address them independently - those guys need to get a little less sensitive.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

++++Maybe so, but I don't think a head coach should have to worry over the fragile sensitivities of a gazillion dollar a year prima donna. Doesn't he have better things to do?

Posted by: shaunsherman12++++

Sadly in this modern day sports age there's a term for coaches who can't handle gazillion dollar a year prima donnas-"ex-coaches."

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

CP got benched because he fumbled the ball, messed up his route running/pass pro, and wasn't showing much of a burst against a good rushing D.

The coach shouldn't have to coddle his players' egos and justify who he puts in the game. Nor should he have to defend his decisions later.


Posted by: swowra | December 9, 2008 5:36 PM


Are you serious, portis was doing what he usually does, soften up the defense it the first half and then runs wild in the second half.

you people dont know anything about football, you are emotional fans and dont think logical at the entire picture.

if you did you would see that zorn has decided to run his scheme and make the players fit his scheme rather than making the scheme fit the players


quickest way to get fired is to not adjust to your players.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Whether CP was right or wrong is no longer the issue. It's how this is handled that's the issue now. How is the locker room reacting? How is this being dealt with by Zorn/FO?

Without leadership from the top,(Snyder) our season may be "blowed" up. [and we all know how much leadership there is at the top!]

Posted by: Curzon417 | December 9, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I am siding with Zorn on this, with some reservations. Portis has a myopic view of himself, how healthy he is and his effectiveness in the passing game. Zorn is probably right when he implied that Betts runs better pass routes. At that stage of the game the running game was getting nowhere, so logic dictated to give Betts more tries in the backfield. Moreover, if Zorn could save Portis from getting hammered again in this game it would give them a better chance against Cinncinnati.

I don't imagine that Portis has ever been benched like that before, at least not with the Skins. So his pride is wounded and that came out in the interview. Do Zorn and Portis talk during practice? Surely there must be some discussion. Perhaps even the running back coach can sit down with Portis. This way Zorn does appear to the team that one of his main jobs is not placating the egos of veterans.

Some coaches are stringent that a player that can not practice two days before a game will not play that game. It is a team wide rule with no exceptions. The positives of this rule is that players do not further injure themselves in games and that they should be able to give 100% on the field. Playing at 70% when injured never made sense to me, especially when your backup is ready. On offense when everything is timing it makes even more sense to be able to practice.

Posted by: driley | December 9, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

+++Please, please, except for humorous references, stop the serious "we should have kept Leigh Torrence" posts.

The guy was as useless as teats on a bull.


Posted by: MrRedskin21+++

Dude BECAUSE "he was as uselees as teats on a bull" is WHY he should have been kept--he'd feel so at home.

Posted by: TheCork | December 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Portis hasn't been running wild in the 2nd half for over a month.

Posted by: swowra | December 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

coddling a player is catering to their ego, being a MAN and a real coach it telling your players I am not playing and this why..

only punks and wimps who dont like confrontation dont man up and tell people what is really going on.


that is like your boss sending his secretary over to tell you that you are fired, if you are going to fire someone at least have the balls to tell me yourself. dont be a spineless coward.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

ok, good idea let a top talent go because you don't feel like taking the time to talk to him. I'm not saying let him be TO, but this is freaking CP!, yeah he is a little Prima Donna-ish but he works hard, plays his guts out, and sacrifices for this team all the time. If Zorn had just pulled his best player aside after the game and said "hey, CP, we did this cause we wanted to give you a break, or we just felt like we want to give Betts a chance here" or whatever CP would have been fine. Ya'll act like CP has been a locker room cancer or not showing up for work he's a good competitive guy who has carried this team for years and wasn't told why he wasn't in there.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I was tempted to say that Portis will go for 200+ against the Bengals, but he'll get rested from about halftime, with Betts getting the carries since we'll already have a huge lead, and will want to keep him fresh for the Eagles.

Posted by: kost52 | December 9, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

1. You can't keep calling your team out in the media and not get burned eventually

2. Being down 14 points to an aggressive defense is no reason to abandon the run, (see Philly game earlier this year).

3. Dallas sucks.

Posted by: geotherm21 | December 9, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Sadly you are right- that can be the case. Thing is, in almost every case where the coaches continue to be fired via the prima donna player, the team itself never goes anywhere.

If the inmates run the prison, we might as well TIVO next season. Teams go nowhere without any true discipline.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Haha. Love number 3.

Posted by: swowra | December 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

its good for zorn to get called out like this, but its looking more and more like portis is going to be on his way out after this season. maybe thats the best thing for everyone.

Posted by: amsaul | December 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

its good for zorn to get called out like this, but its looking more and more like portis is going to be on his way out after this season. maybe thats the best thing for everyone.

Posted by: amsaul | December 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

UGGGGGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGH, there is no way Portis goes anywhere, his contract is ridiculous to the point that he is uncuttable or untradeable.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I love days like this, everyone gets their "real dumb" on.....seriously go back and read the thread......hysterical from all angels....

Love this one: "Parcells never coddled a player"

Hello LAWRENCE TAYLOR

All coaches treat guys differently, and if they say they don't they are straight lying or a BAD COACH.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

ZJ,

Thanks if I have to tell one more person that I will kill myself.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does anyone else find it degrading to Portis when they quote him word for word..

Posted by: brianlee720 | December 9, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

THANK YOU CL, every coach understands, and every player understands, and every person understands there are different rules for stars and high performers than for the average guy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

"2. Being down 14 points to an aggressive defense is no reason to abandon the run, (see Philly game earlier this year)."

As I remember the game the problem was we were not getting first downs. We kept facing third and long due to stupid penalties, or from not gaining yards on first down. The running game builds on itself. If you get five yards on your first carry then you can run the ball two more times. If you get two yards on first down then running is less appealing. The Ravens defense was dominating our line in every way and the only reason we scored at all is because we had short field and had to use four downs.

Posted by: driley | December 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

...and promptly threw his whole coaching staff under the bus in an extended interview, a few months after burying his O-line in another interview.

I'm sorry, but as much as I agree that Zorn could have saved a lot of trouble by talking to Portis, Portis can be a real a**hole, and that's the ugly truth to it.

He doesn't like to be benched? Do what is asked.
He doesn't like to be called out? By the coach, Brian Mitchell, whoever? Then stop calling others out.

He absolutely does NOT deserve a free pass because he plays hard, or shows up. God knows he makes enough money that we as fans, coaches and the owner should EXPECT THAT.

Hopefully he and Zorn will air things out privately, because it would be "full retard" to let either go over this, as some have suggested.

To Great One: being a man also means if you feel slighted going to your boss to confront him about the problem, not waiting until the Christmas party to diss him in front of the company while he's in the bathroom. Get out of town with that.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

and if Zorn is too dumb to realize the importance of keeping CP on board and the need to keep his star player happy at all costs within reason (and certainly taking the time to have a private conversation with him after the game about what happened is within reason) or to treat a guy like Jansen who had been a team leader high performer popular cornerstone of this franchise with a little respect and dignity instead of letting him find out through the media he'd lost his job then Zorn deserves to be fired.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious, portis was doing what he usually does, soften up the defense it the first half and then runs wild in the second half.

you people dont know anything about football, you are emotional fans and dont think logical at the entire picture.

if you did you would see that zorn has decided to run his scheme and make the players fit his scheme rather than making the scheme fit the players


quickest way to get fired is to not adjust to your players.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 5:46 PM |
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Have to agree 100% here.

Portis is better in the second half, and he owns the 4th quarter (check his career stats).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeeaah, I'm going to need Portis to go ahead and get 175 yds and 3 TD's this week. (sips coffee) He and coach Z are going have to get this, kind of, figured out, mmkay?

Fantasy playoffs, you know? Yeeaah.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Just get rid of Portis. He doesn't have the speed to break free when he is on the open field anyway. What is Zorn suppose to do when offense line can't block? Quarterback holds the ball too long? Receivers can't get open? Can't kick field goals? Score 10 or less points the last 4 out of 5 games? Maybe Portis should call out his teamates. There the ones who are not getting the job done. I lost count on number of times they have gone 3 and out.

Posted by: TheJury | December 9, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This could work to their advantage ...

What Portis fails to mention is that offense has been stinking the place up ... not scoring, only when the defense puts them in good field position.

Is it his fault entirely? No. Is it Jason's? No.

Perhaps this will back-fire, then again perhaps it will light a fire under the offense and make them play like Fletcher and the defense.

In Portis defense ... Fletcher has been playing subpar because of the injury. Not sure but I think it may have been better with Blade's in there.

Posted by: periculum | December 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

not to change the subject but I thought this quote from Suggs of the Ravens was interesting...

For his part, Suggs was a concerned when he saw Geisinger line up opposite him.
"I actually pointed at Jim Zorn and said, 'You can't do this, you're going to get your quarterback hurt,' " said Suggs, who praised Geisinger's effort under such stark circumstances. "I was like, 'I don't think this guy is supposed to be here. You've got a mistake.' "

Posted by: PGM17 | December 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Nope, if I'm Zorn I let him Stew, let it carry over to the rest of the "O", especially to Jason. Maybe he should bench Jason. Light a fire ... a big fire. That is what they need right now.

Posted by: periculum | December 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

The team is falling apart. Little talent, and the best player on the team has blasted the coach. It's not a question of who the fans side with, who do you think the players will side with on this dispute? Forget the playoffs, and unless some serious changes are made in the offseason, look out Lions for that number 1 pick!

Posted by: Leeguru | December 9, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

There is no way you should fire the coach over a running back's prima donna attitude.

Repeat: There is no way you should fire the coach over a running back's prima donna attitude.

That...is full retard.

He's just a running back. A very good running back, but a running back only. I'm not breaking up a team for a player at that position. No how, no way.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

If anyone goes, it will be Zorn. Zorn is a rookie head coach on a team going downhill fast. CP was the league's leading rusher until he got injured. CP is tight with Snyder.

Who would you rather part with? A unproven rookie coach who calls his players out or a possible MVP candidate who gives it everything he has when he is on the field?

The decision is so darned easy.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 9, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

OH MY GOD! I am listening to Portis right now on ESPN. This guy is too much! I said last year, we need to trade this guy. I stick by that statement. I am sick to death of hearing the ESPN talking heads rave about how tough this guy is. If it's not his hand, it's the knees, or the toe, or the whatever. Even on the hated Cowboys, Jason Witten plays with a BROKEN RIB. Also, please noone mention Portis and Riggins in the same breath again...that is blasphemy. I've been in our camp for 30+ years. Listen up Zorn, trade Portis in the off-season. The rebuilding has to begin somewhere. Three of our offensive linemen are basically over the hill. Heyer needs to be a fulltime starter. Good grief...two of our draft picks are 6'4" tall...someone has to open things up for Moss! I'm 6'6" tall...hell, put me in!!

HAIL 4EVER!

Posted by: httr20081 | December 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

This really sucks to see Zorn and Portis beefin'. I'm with the posters who said that this matter should've been handled internally.

For the all the people clamoring that Portis should be traded, released, or is just all about himself - you people are total d-bag jack@sses. How do you not respect what Portis has done for this franchise? How do paint Portis in any negative way at all? Portis has been and is still a f'n beast, plain and simple. The problem ain't with Clinton - it's Zorn.

I like Zorn, I think that like all first years HCs, he's figuring out how to deal with his players - I'd wish he'd figure out when, or NOT to be prideful. His offense has tape on it now, opposing defenses are starting to figure out his playcalling, and at this point in the season - contenders/pretenders - he's simply looking overmatched (aka) outcoached.

I'm more worried about why can't Campbell put up 250+ in multiple games. It's not Campbell, it's not Zorn and his playcalling, and it's not the offensive line. Well at least not entirely.

It's every single one of them. From Campbell to Zorn, to the O-Line. Campbell still hold on to the ball to long. Zorn is being outright stubborn in his refusal to adjust to defenses (I CAN'T BELEIVE THIS IS STILL A PROBLEM!!!). The offensive line is old(er), beat up, and just aren't big and physical enough to handle top tier defenses. ALL of them must shoulder the blame equally!

If there is one person, and one person only that must take all the blame - it's without a question that it's Vincent Cerrato.

'cuse me while I channel my inner PDX...

WR-TE-WR

Cerrato's refusal to build up the O-Line and D-Line through the draft is just... I don't know - dumb as F@*k. It's like he knows this (Also can't rule out Snyder's influence in the decision making) but doesn't give a damn, because he wants to do it his own GD way.

But overall it does no good to harp about the putrid and awful management and ownership. They aren't going ANYWHERE ANYTIME soon. As fans of this team, what do you do?

Boycotting is out of the question. You know it, and I know it. There is NO f'n way if you're a fan (hell you don't have to be a true one) you're going to stop watching.

Redskins = Cooked Crack

And VinDancated are you local pushermen or dope boys.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 9, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It's not Zorn Portis should be ripping,it's Jason Campbell (although Zorn does deserve some critisim because you don't bench the teams best player)...Campbells the guy out there holding onto the ball way too long,always having his passes knocked down,yes the o-line has stunk,but i've seen downs they've gave Campbell great protection and he misses open receivers on 10 yard passes...Bench this loser already Zorn were tired a frustrated of seeing a guy who's not gonna take this team anywhere...You also need to put in someone else beside ARE returning punt because i don't know how he can watch ARE continue to return punts.

Posted by: HailSkins14 | December 9, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

httr20081 you really do not have a clue, you just react. Did you ever hear Portis complain about his injuries. I would love to see you play with a sprained ligament. He plays with more heart than just about anybody else except maybe Fletcher.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | December 9, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

it is amazing to me how quickly people take zorns side in this because he has the title of Head Coach instead of the player who has played his body and heart out since he has gotten here, a proven player. how quickly people forget.

clinton has never mouthed off unless provoked, and even then it takes along time

do you know how long bmitch has been talking about him before he responded, he put us on his back to go to the playoffs and when he gets hurt and ladell has a good year everyone is yelling we dont need him.

ever since clinton got here all you clinton haters say everyear get rid of him

how stupid and the only reason you hate him is because he has some personality and makes alot of money, how hypocritical. zorn has a personality and makes money and everybody wants to keep him


and you wonder why we keep losing, because stupid fans keep making decisions on people they like and not who plays hard.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | December 9, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

That Gibbs thought of benching JC even before he got hurt, and that he told Snyder there should be an open competition at QB this year.

That Williams felt the same way and it may have cost him the job.

That even Jim Fassel wouldn't guarantee Snyder that JC would be the quarterback.

Wow.

There is no way you should fire the coach over a running back's prima donna attitude.

Repeat: There is no way you should fire the coach over a running back's prima donna attitude.

That...is full retard.


I fully agree with these two posts. Seems to me too many Skins fans are losing sight of how pathertic the team really is. Did anyone think they would seriously contend this year? Smoke and mirrors only goes so far with weak talent. CP, as all players can be replaced.
FO grow some and back Zorn!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

OMG!!!! how many times does it have to be pointed out that CP's contract makes him uncuttable and untradeable?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

But you can't sell "Zorn" jerseys!

Posted by: Leeguru | December 9, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,

Chill out!

simply put, all things are possible. I do not know all the contractual elements, but D Hall was just signed by us and he had an enormous contract. where there is a will..........

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Red,

What sucks is how we canonize players who play on a team that has never won anything, or come close to it.

Every time we have issues, we give the players a pass. In this case, it's a popular player who we are going to give a pass on RIPPING THE HEAD COACH A NEW ONE IN AN EXTENSIVE INTERVIEW.

This wasn't some snippet. The guy went on and on about his discontent for the coach.

He's...just...a....RUNNING BACK! P. Hillis just ran like the wind for the Broncos, and he was their, what sixth back this year back there? Portis is very good, but he's way out of line. Coaches have gone out of their way to accomidate him because he DOES give great effort, but he's abused that trust with both his head coaches.

I respect his abilities, and his effort as a football player, but I have no respect for him as a man right now. This whole thing, this season, this team, is NOT ABOUT HIM.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

On his plans: "I'm gonna go out there and try to make sure I don't get hurt and I'll make sure I get out in every pass route. If my man ain't coming, I ain't chipping nobody, I ain't doing nothing I ain't supposed to do. I'm gonna get out in my pass route and that's where I'll be. If somebody else give up a sack or anything else, that's on them."

See this the sht I am was worried about. CP helping the O line and trying to make your damn plays look good and you call him out. This is some damn BS they need to show Zorn the damn door. I am so pissed right now.

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It's time to dump Portis. He has clearly lost a step evidenced by his lack of a second gear.

Too many carries have caight up with him.

Cut or trade list-

Jansen
Portis
Samuels
R. Thomas
Rabach
Kendall
Griffin
J. Taylor
A. Carter
M. Washington
Springs
Cooley
Moss
Randle-El


Time to get it over with.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

But you can't sell "Zorn" jerseys!

Posted by: Leeguru

winning cures many ills. No body seems to want to accept that Coach Coughlin was not liked early on, and perhaps even now by "star" players, but look at them now. I'm not saying Zorn would equal that ascent, but I'd trade CP and others if we had a chance on doing it.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if people getting aggravated with me getting attention

I agree with CP. I believe Zorn can't deal with him getting the attention and people saying that nothing change from Gibbs O and Zorn is trying to make a name for himself. For people to say that the Skins are doing well because of his WC offense.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Time to get it over with.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

get what over with? the proof that your dumb? that'd be like 75-90 million dollars in cap penalties, we couldn't field a team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

JM,

...or maybe Portis will go out on his route (like he is supposed to)...and catch a pass in the flat and go for 30 yards. If Campbell takes a hit while that happens, will you accept it?

It's funny how often we here the same refrain from coaches :

"If 10 guys do their job, and 1 doesn't, the whole thing will fail."

We hate to hear that, but it comes out from various coaches after losses all the time. Portis is not above this, and is a part of this team, like everyone else.

He is a very good RB. Hopefully, he and Zorn can work out their issues in private. In the meantime, I hope he does exactly what he just said he'd do: what he's asked, not what he wants.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

this franchise will never change until danny and vinny leave. sadly, danny may never leave.

thank God for the Caps, the only franchise in DC that does it right. Great owner and GM and a fantastic young team.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 9, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

winning cures many ills. No body seems to want to accept that Coach Coughlin was not liked early on, and perhaps even now by "star" players, but look at them now. I'm not saying Zorn would equal that ascent, but I'd trade CP and others if we had a chance on doing it.

Posted by: lsskinsfan |

Pulling out the hammer. Smack to the back of your head. Put that cheeba cheeba down. If you think the O looks bad now it will really look bad without CP.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Portis has an unfriendly cap number (too big to cut or trade). Zorn is Snyder's hand picked HC. Neither one is likely to go without serious damage (real or psychological) to the team. This could get really fugly if Zorn and Portis can't get it sorted out in house.

Posted by: skinswest | December 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Time to get it over with.

Posted by: knight1977

careful Knight,

I posted something akin to your post a few strings back, and a very enlightened one told me I was a moron.
The super-smart, mental giants on this blog scare me with their name calling.. NOT!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

thank you JM, you don't make a name for yourself by having a terrible offense and alienating your best player. All he needed to do was have a conversation with the guy, Zorn desperately needs to improve his communication skills with his players or he won't last long.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

All he guy does it lead the league in rushing until he gets hurt or aka his carries get cut... And you guys TAKE ZORN's side! WTF.. What kind of redskins fans are you guys.. I wish you guys buy a cowboys hat and get it over with.. PORTIS has NEVER been a problem! Do i have to say it again! PORTIS HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM! To cut a superstar high quality GUY instead of fire a rookie unproven HC is crazy.. I like Zorn.. but he HAS made mistakes.. You guys are some stupid idiots...

Posted by: cocodc1 | December 9, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Time to get it over with.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

get what over with? the proof that your dumb? that'd be like 75-90 million dollars in cap penalties, we couldn't field a team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:50 PM

Efff the cap and throw a bunch of rookies in there. Screw it. Go 0-16 and have an awesome draft.

Three years from now we'll be like the 1994 Cowboys.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

shaunsherman12 if the line was blocking I wouldn't have no problem with Zorn pulling CP. However, you must not have watch the last couple of game. Have you seen them hit JC takes? And I am damn sure against calling players out in the media before you even speak with them.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

its not a matter of efff the cap, we literally could not field a team just stop man, those posts are worthless, there akin to we should trade Davis and Collins and Betts to the Lions for the #1 overall posts. Just dumb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"Just a running back?"

And I suppose your mother was just a mother.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Time to get it over with.

Posted by: knight1977

careful Knight,

I posted something akin to your post a few strings back, and a very enlightened one told me I was a moron.
The super-smart, mental giants on this blog scare me with their name calling.. NOT!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 9, 2008 6:53 PM

Most of the people here are retarded. Being myopic is a way of life for them.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

We'll win this week, for sure, the game isn't on TV down here so I can't jinx it!

I've been thinking about the troubles I cause, and I've come up with a plan which I started on the weekend. Unfortunately it won't be able to be used until next season (or maybe playoffs if we make them).

I've started a home brew, and I've going to name it Touchdown Redskins Lager!

Posted by: kost52 | December 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Redskins have been highest paid team in the league for so many years.

All they have managed to do is eeked into the playoffs 2 of last 4 years. Will probably miss playoffs this year again

But to all the people calling to release CP and some other players like Moss / Cooley etc.,

Yeah...you gotta remember than Vinny and Danny are going to be picking their replacements if they are released. Think about that for a sec...Just see how good their draft picks turned out this year. And also remember that these two clowns also picked Zorn. Someone even the seahawks won't promote to Offensive coordinator after Holmgren leaves. He would have stayed in Seattle if Mora promised him the OC job when he takes over next year.

So if Vinny / Danny have such a lousy history of picking players and head coaches (Spurrier for example)...what makes people think that they suddenly hit a home run with Zorn?

Posted by: mmz114 | December 9, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Idiocy is falling in line with a player ripping his head coach to shreds, and thinking that this is the way things should be.

He's a very good, very highly paid, running back. He's also a guy who does things HIS WAY.

You aren't going to win a SuperBowl with players who behave in that way.

Maybe you should root for the Cowboys and not I - after all, you seem to think ripping the team (o-line first, now head coach) is a good thing.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Snyder has brought a once proud franchise to it's knees.

Posted by: austin987654 | December 9, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Most of the people here are retarded. Being myopic is a way of life for them.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Knight, its not myopic to say that you can't cut half the team especially our team with all the backloaded contracts. Its kinda retarded to say you could and should.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

You don't' pull your best player off the filed in a game that was, at that point, still winnable.

Also, the reason given is absurd. They knew going in he didn't practice all week (neither did London Fletcher), and to date, Zorn has YET to state exactly which block/assignment Portis missed.

For his part, Portis claims he didn't miss any blocks/assignments, hasn't missed a meeting or film review all year, and is standing on the sidelines in practice during the week hearing and seeing everything.

Until/unless Zorn can show otherwise, I'm going to take Portis at his word on all that.

Portis has been doing his job, at a high level, for years. Zorn? Not so much.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

its not a matter of efff the cap, we literally could not field a team just stop man, those posts are worthless, there akin to we should trade Davis and Collins and Betts to the Lions for the #1 overall posts. Just dumb.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Good, don't field a team. The Redskins need to "STOP THE INSANITY."

Forfeit then. The reality is Skins have an imbalance much like the over leveraging on Wall St.

I am sure before you hit the SPORTS section every day you must have seen some headlines about the current recession and "DELEVARGING?"

The Reskins need to "DELEVER" and get there cap under control and start over with a new plan. Zorn is a fine coach that just needs new young talent to grow in his system.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"Just a running back?"

And I suppose your mother was just a mother.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 6:59 PM

It's all fun, until the mommas get brought to the forefront.

"Aw you wanna talk about mama's - it's mother time..."

Posted by: RedDMV | December 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

JM, calling out the coach is doubly bad.

I agree Zorn should have talked to him, but that doesn't mean you go off for several minutes to the media about what a d**k your head coach is...

I've seen the pass blocking. I also know that if Campbell expects to be able to dump a ball in the flat or on a safety valve to a RB, and the RB isn't there, he's in for a world of hurt, since his quickest, easiest option isn't there, and he's now sitting there as uncomfortable as a three legged cat trying to bear s**t on a frozen pond.

He has to run the play as designed. If guys aren't going to run the plays correctly, how the heck is anyone supposed to know if they'd work?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

You can't replace my momma.

You can insert a different back behind a decent run blocking line, and get results.

Get a great apple pie? Not neccessarily.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I love this story. You'd think we had TO on the roster.

I wonder if by telling CP when he can play—and more importantly, when he can't—Zorn isn't sending a message to top management that he, not Cerrato or Snyder, will determine when his players play? Even the pampered ones?

If so, I'm all for what Zorn is up to. It's time Snyder and Cerrato took a back seat to some football people.

Posted by: JohnRVA | December 9, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I respect everyone view. I understand how some of you would be upset with CP and think he is in the wrong. There is one thing I like to point out. Zorn come out in the media blasting CP before he spoke with him. (tole the media Jansen was bench before telling him) As stated I believe in an eye for an eye. I called CP out in the media so CP has ever right to call him out. Just because he is the coach doesn't mean he can disrespect and treat the players any type of way.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I didn't hear this and only read it but this isn't good but I'm glad it happened. Zorn has seemed to me a pretty humble man actually. Wasn't that what everyone was saying when he was talking to his players about what plays to run? Wasn't that what they were saying when he decided to keep the Gibbs/Bugel scheme in the running game? We will now find out what kind of leader this coach is. How will he deal with this and the losing?

I agree with going with Sellers/Betts in this past game. The Ravens are much more physical than the skins and Portis has been beat up! He also was rusty from not practicing for weeks (see the fumble in the first quarter). If anything, Portis can practice this week now right? What Zorn fell down on was communication just like he did with the Jansen demotion. Zorn needs to step up now and apologize for not talking to Portis but also assert that this is his team and he wants players to practice. If they aren't going to practice than they will play less if at all.

Now the bigger problem is the FO. Why they thought that so many players coming back from injuries could play the entire year is beyond me. Rogers, McIntosh, Kendall, Thomas, Jansen, Campbell, Moss, Griffin, Springs (even Kelly) and maybe I'm missing someone have had significant to major injuries in to come back from last year. This was a downfall waiting to happen. No more TEs and WRs. This team needs at least six new linemen including two studs on either side. Here's to hoping right?

Posted by: atari1317 | December 9, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has been calling out his players since preseason to mask his own deficiencies in play calling...

When they were winning (Thanks to Portis running his heart out as Gibbs would say and leading the league in rushing)....being called out by Rookie Zorn is not much of a big deal

When losing and the offense looking like they did in preseason....Zorn's antics start to get old to the players. Now the players are calling him out.

Turnabout is fair play. If he's a good coach as he thinks he is, he will show it by making adjustments to his schemes and winning at least 2 of last 3 games (bungles and 49ers..even if they lose to Eagles). If not....if they finish 8-8 or worse....then we know it was just a case of someone being in over their head just like Spurrier was

Posted by: mmz114 | December 9, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone posted the link of CP

http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=65&c=425&f=18543

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

M. Washington is another one

Posted by: atari1317 | December 9, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

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All he guy does it lead the league in rushing until he gets hurt or aka his carries get cut... And you guys TAKE ZORN's side! WTF.. What kind of redskins fans are you guys.. I wish you guys buy a cowboys hat and get it over with.. PORTIS has NEVER been a problem! Do i have to say it again! PORTIS HAS NEVER BEEN A PROBLEM! To cut a superstar high quality GUY instead of fire a rookie unproven HC is crazy.. I like Zorn.. but he HAS made mistakes.. You guys are some stupid idiots...

Posted by: cocodc1 |"


Dude, I love Portis as a player, too.


But do you remember when Portis didn't wanna practice? Portis has had a history of not wanting to practice. That's all fine and dandy for Portis, and maybe even the coaches, but if I'm a player on that team, ESPECIALLY a backup running back, I'm not too happy with that situation.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If Portis wasn't in the flat for JC to dump it to, it was because he was blocking someone who was coming in to knock JC on his back.

The dude can't be in two places at once.

Where are the WRs? I don't watch game film obviously, but are they just running their routes and stopping or are they coming back to try and help their QB?

Any way you cut it, this O-line has become a sieve against decent to good D-lines.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Cut or trade list-

Jansen
Portis
Samuels
R. Thomas
Rabach
Kendall
Griffin
J. Taylor
A. Carter
M. Washington
Springs
Cooley
Moss
Randle-El


Time to get it over with.

Posted by: knight1977 | December 9, 2008 6:46 PM |

This would not even be possible in Madden.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

But do you remember when Portis didn't wanna practice? Portis has had a history of not wanting to practice. That's all fine and dandy for Portis, and maybe even the coaches, but if I'm a player on that team, ESPECIALLY a backup running back, I'm not too happy with that situation.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 9, 2008 7:17 PM
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Why? You should be happy, if you believe your practices will one day get you some of C.P.'s carries.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 9, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

careful flounder, he'll say your myopic, I already told him he was dumb and that was the response, that we're myopic for thinking we can't cut half the team.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

CP is a Diva. A tough one, but his ego is outta control,nonetheless.

Posted by: ridgely1 | December 9, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps my beliefs are old school, but Portis(who I belive is clearly the Skins best player as well as leader) should be disciplined for his actions. He doesn't like what Zorn said, go talk to him about it.

This is not an issue of he said, she said. It's a challenge to Zorn's authority as head coach. Zorn must act quickly, fairly, and with complete support from the front office. Anything less, and he will no longer be respected by the team.

What do you think Parcells/Landry/Ditka...would do in this situation?

cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla | December 9, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Portis has had a history of not wanting to practice.

That is true and once again I say if Zorn had a problem with it he should have step to CP. Hell he was just praising CP for going 143 yards without pracice. You can't have it both ways. Take and side and stand by it.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Look...I know most of you here love Portis, and swear he is the toughest SOB ever to walk the planet, blah blah blah...but here are the facts. 1) Should Zorn be calling out his players, like he did to Jason after the first Giants game, or like he is doing to Portis right now? No. It is a known fact that disputes between players/coaches, coaches/coaches, players/players, should remain in-house. 2) Portis has been a"quiet cancer" for a long time, and it started back when Gibbs brought him to Washington. He was given special treatment by Snyder and Gibbs, and it pissed players off. He might have been productive, but LEADERSHIP extends beyond production, and winning in the NFL, the ultimate TEAM entity, requires more than just production. It requires setting a good example, being accountable, being the one who others WANT to follow...and let me tell all of you something...PORTIS IS NOT THAT LEADER. In 2004-2007 time period, the DEFENSE, and guys like S. Taylor, A Pierce, C Griffin, P Daniels, M Washington...they were the true warriors. They were the ones that carried the team, and set the tone EVERY SINGLE DAY. Why? because GREGG WILLIAMS DEMANDED IT !.3) They way Portis is called the "Assistant G.M" by Cerrato himself, although they say it is in jest, is actually what Portis believes he is. He had Gibbs, and the Owner, fooled into thinking he was this great leader, but if you secretly asked most who are around that team every day, they would tell you it is BS. The same can be said for Jansen as well....the public beleives he is this great leader and great example setter, when in reality he sucks first of all, is a chronic pain in the a@@, and should have NEVER been given a new contract. 4) You all should be applauding Zorn at the end of the day for letting it be known to Portis that he, as the head coach, is in charge, period. Right or wrong, that is the way it is. At the end of the day, the Redskins would be much better off without his cry-baby b.s. B Mitchell had it right a while back...this guy is a dirt bag teammate, and you all should not be defending him. He should shut the hell up, play hard, and set a good example for once !

Posted by: po403 | December 9, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

What do you think Parcells/Landry/Ditka...would do in this situation?

cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla

Went to CP and talked with him and said nothing to the media

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

This is now front page news on ESPN.com...Zorn and CP had better figure this one out fast.

Posted by: Crunkenstein | December 9, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

So what are the options here?

1) Zorn pulls Portis aside,they break bread and all is well for the rest of this yr and next

2) Ship Portis out in the Offseason? (How many good yrs can a RB with this much wear and tear even have left?) OR

3) Fire another yet another Head Coach and make a big splash in the offseason by hiring Cower or another big name?

Here we go again.........(pipe in some Circus music here)

Posted by: ashburn47 | December 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The onus is on Zorn, for his comments re Portis.

He danced around and never came out and stated it directly (I wonder why) but hinted that Portis having not practiced led him (Portis) to miss blocks/assignments.

OK. Where? When? Give a specific example.

I don't think he can.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

zj,

I have an idea why don't we just fold the team and all the players can be distributed to other teams, oh wait this is the real world thats right.

I can't believe some of the post on here.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

What do you think Parcells/Landry/Ditka...would do in this situation?

cosmofla

Posted by: cosomfla

Went to CP and talked with him and said nothing to the media

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:30 PM |

Agreed Jm, but Portis went public. Can't do it!

Posted by: cosomfla | December 9, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

What do you think Parcells/Landry/Ditka...would do in this situation?
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None of those three guys would have sidelined Portis in the second half.

Not unless he had blown his top at them openly or punched a teammate at halftime in the locker room or something insane like that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Nope, if I'm Zorn I let him Stew, let it carry over to the rest of the "O", especially to Jason. Maybe he should bench Jason. Light a fire ... a big fire. That is what they need right now.

Posted by: periculum | December 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Today's best impression of a dumb guy. And it was a close one. Sorry knight1977. Better luck next time.

Posted by: mack1 | December 9, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

its pretty amazing, like you said, I'm too tired of explaining that portis isn't going anywhere, its like yelling in the wind, nobody hears it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

the downward spiral intensifies

Posted by: Leeguru | December 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis = player, shut up and play

Zorn = head coach. Do what I say.

Portis does not = Zorn

Posted by: cosomfla | December 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

When was the last time a coach like Gibbs or Parcells spends his time going on bike rides with the Prez when his team is struggling and his offensive scheme is primarily to blame for it. DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE NFL SEASON!!!!

Yeah...thought so.

To all saying Portis is a primadonna...maybe we have a coach thats a primadonna

Posted by: mmz114 | December 9, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

mack, at least in periculums version there's still a team playing football in washington, knight just wants to fold up shop.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

What do you think Parcells/Landry/Ditka...would do in this situation?
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None of those three guys would have sidelined Portis in the second half.

Not unless he had blown his top at them openly or punched a teammate at halftime in the locker room or something insane like that.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 7:34 PM |
Don't disagree, but not what I'm asking. What would they do given the current situation?

Posted by: cosomfla | December 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter if Zorn goes or Portis goes. The reason why this circus act continues year after year is because of 2 common denominators..Snyder and Cerrato. They foster this kind of culture, and it will not change. Simple as that.

Posted by: po403 | December 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

1) Zorn pulls Portis aside,they break bread and all is well for the rest of this yr and next

Yes that needs to happen. If Zorn comes out and tell CP he was wrong for not speaking to him first I think things will be cool.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I admire the spirit and loyalty of the Redskins' nation, I really do. Forever the optomists.

Posted by: po403 | December 9, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

JM,

Let just get rid of Portis, or we can trade him for 9 1st round draft picks.

I just had to say it to see what it was like.

Still the dumbest thing I have heard all day.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

cosomfla first of all I don't think they would have handle things in this manner. But to answer your question. I believe they would have a close door meeting with CP. Tell him they both could have handled things better. Let him know how they really feel about practice if that is the real issue.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

RI Blog, may I have another helping os stupid please?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, because of Portis' personality, more attention is paid to his side in this situation, and not enough emphasis is being focused on the totally BIZARRE decision by Zorn.

He starts the guy knowing he didn't practice all week, then sidelines him at the half when it's 14-0 (still a winnable game).

In my estimation, Zorn will be a long time living down that totally illogical move.

Madden was absolutely incredulous when he found out Portis wasn't injured but was not playing.

You don't play the second half of a 14-0 game without your best player on the field.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 9, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"2) Portis has been a"quiet cancer" for a long time..."

Posted by: po403 | December 9, 2008 7:29 PM

This is a new one. "A quiet cancer" - LOL, that is rich, f'n unadulterated rich.

Portis is a cancer. Why don't you just simply say that you don't care for the guy instead of picking crumbs outta your ass, and calling them pop rocks?

Posted by: RedDMV | December 9, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

JM once again, totally agree, if Zorn fights CP on this in the media he'll lose the team and he'll get himself run out of town, but if he just admits it coulda been handled better and they hug it out it'll be fine.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 9, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

RI Blog, may I have another helping o' stupid please?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 9, 2008 7:40 PM
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The buffet here never ends, ChRislArry.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | December 9, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Zorn humiliated Portis on the sidelines during the Detroit game.Got in his face bigtime.Portis looked like he was on the bench crying... with a towell over his head to hide his face. The incident was in hi rotation on espn but squashed in the local media.Go figure haha.After the game,Moss confirmed that the incident "really hurt" CP.
The team has not been the same since then...we have morphed from 6-2 to 7-6. The bad feelings between Zorn and Portis have been festering for a while.
It sounds like Dan has given CP the "go ahead" to start greasing the skids for Zorn's departurs.

Posted by: possum3 | December 9, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

On his plans: "I'm gonna go out there and try to make sure I don't get hurt and I'll make sure I get out in every pass route. If my man ain't coming, I ain't chipping nobody, I ain't doing nothing I ain't supposed to do. I'm gonna get out in my pass route and that's where I'll be. If somebody else give up a sack or anything else, that's on them."


Just the kind of guy that I would want on my team....

Posted by: po403 | December 9, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

My hunch is this isn't about being pulled in the Ravens game, that's for sure. He's not just frustrated with their collapse (to be sure that probably ignited things).

Something deeper and more problematic.

It's clear that he doesn't like being singled out, fairly or not, on the field.

Pride goeth before the trade?

Posted by: SteveMG | December 9, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

If you have 5 lineman and Portis blocking, you have four receivers. Portis is probably a better blocker than some lineman and our tight ends Use your tight end as your safety valve.

Posted by: Seasontickets1966 | December 9, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Portis needs to go.
I'm tired of his prima donna act....he sounds more and more like Terrell Owens...who also gives it on the field.

It's just not worth it. He's undermining the whole team, he think he's the center of the universe.

The difference between you and London Fletcher, CP...Fletcher doesnt take himself out of games, like he's his own coach.

SHut your mouth and be a little more like Fletcher, CP. You might learn something about being a man. Cause this cry baby stuff sure aint it.

Posted by: kreator6996 | December 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

hail to the deadskins, hail misery, dannys on the toilet, fight for ghey yuppies! this team is run by con artists, not football people. therefor they will ALWAYS and UNFORTUNATELY suk. i'm beginning to think they hired zorn because they where so resentful at the squeelhawks for knocking them out of the playoffs again that they wanted to get back at them any way possible. u must agree that only a super-yuppie-danny-boob would make football decisions based on his sore behind. common..no linemen for 10 years just flashy bs. you can hand the ball off to danny himself, and if the line is great, you will win. i paid $5000 for season tickets gibbs first year back and they lost every home game but 1 i think. you know why?? cause they have no linemen. gibbs won 3 superbowls with, what? the best line ever.come on, 1st the terrrible towel takover, so what does super yuppie do? he gives everyone WHITE towels to wave the next week. jeez guys, w*f does a white towel stand for? SURRENDER. then they have a sean taylor tribute with gangster rap from a gun charge felon playing for him. thats just plain f*ck*ng stupid. only the dumbest super yuppie on the the planet would allow such stupidity to happen to his football team. EVERY PLEASE STOP BUYING TICKETS SO DANNY WILL WILT AND GO AWAY.

Posted by: jacksonalex | December 9, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

im with portis. zorn is a good qb coach, not a head coach. this is week 14 comin up and how many times have we seen fred davis? i mean he CANT suck THAT bad to be behind yoder. thats just another offensive weapon we've put down b/c the head coach doesnt know what the f*** hes doing.

Posted by: ninjaman | December 9, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jlkjadldkfjW | December 9, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't think this isn't about CP not practicing is crazy. This time of the season everyone is hurt, banged up, and bruised. Get over it CP. Who wants a running back that cannot go out and practice with their team every week when their team is busting their tails on the pactice field. Then on game day here comes CP shiney and brand new ready to play. I don't care how good he is he is not bigger than the game nor the team. Trade him and lets see what we can get for him. Allen Iverson didn't like to practice either. You see where it has gotten him, not a ring thats for sure. CP needs to stop whining. Do what you get payed to do and shut up!!! Who cares about him giving his all in the game. That's what he get millions of dollars a year for. Practice hard, play hard, or go home dog. It's just that simple. Do what you need to do and you will be on the field in the 4th quarter. I know other players get sick of this dude not practicing while they bust tail.

Posted by: hbu_dog | December 9, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I bet those of you complaining about Portis' practice habits haven't played a down at tailback. The man gets drilled every game. CP was benched because he stayed in to block as opposed to releasing into the flat. How many backs would rather block than catch a pass and run? If he blocked, then he needed to. Campbell spent the better part of the evening running for his life.

Zorn has clearly fallen in love with his plan. CP didn't stick to the plan, so he must be wrong. The fact of the matter is this, Zorn took his most potent threat, and best offensive player out of the game. Think the Giants would pull Jacobs, or the Cowboys pull Barber in such a critical game? No way. Think the Raven's D would rather have CP on the field or on the bench? The man was third in the league in rushing for crying out loud.

Look, if any uplayer is unclear as to their assignment, especially a veteran like Portis, I blame the coaching. It's their job to make it clear.

We need a poll. I vote for CP on this one.

Posted by: bmo63 | December 9, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Think the Giants would pull Jacobs, or the Cowboys pull Barber in such a critical game?


Um, the Gianst basically told Plaxico to go Eff himself, BEFORE THE shooting.

We need that attitude here.

Portis is a crybaby.
EVERY other RB in the league takes a pounding. Is Adrian Peterson not practicing?

Posted by: kreator6996 | December 9, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

you guys are ridiculous..the man (clinton portis) is frustrated..the dummy who posted this and said "portis rips zorn" is a drama queen..well we know he is a journalist therefore he is trying to create drama, a story which is what they do..Clinton Portis is just frustrated as he should be loosing 5 out of 6..dont fall for this b/s they post on this blog..be smart redskin nation..and plenty people who listened live told me portis was being sacartic on many of those quoted..we all know he's a jokester, for example.."put me on injured reserve"..the man was just being sarcastic, dont fall for what these drama queens write..they're not even redskin fans..f them

Posted by: ripmeast21 | December 9, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

A little perspective....

Regardless of the situation, (even if Zorn could have handled comunication, better, which he probably could have)Portis should keep his mouth shut and put team first. By pitting him against the coaches and drawing a "line in the sand", he is not helping the team. Say "no comment" publically and demand a meeting with the coach in private.

Being a great player and a team player on the field is important, but, CP, you have to be a great professional "off' the field too. It's about 53 players, not one. Character or lack of it is revealed in the bad times and not the good.

Make no mistake, CP is a great back, but the fact is he has maybe 2-3 yrs of really productive ball left, period. His body is an "old" 27...not his fault, but that is the reality of the RB in today's more violent game.

The Redskins have not come close to playing in the Super Bowl and have arguably been the worst team in the NFC East over the past sevral years. If CP wants to be a part of the team and respect his teammates AND coaches alike, then it makes sense to keep him around. But, if he decides to continue to place self over team, then I say don't let the door hit you...thanks for the memories CP.


Posted by: ashburn47 | December 9, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I remember a coach that didn't really believe in practice or prepping for a game.....Steve Spurrier.

How did that pan out??

Quit your whining portis...we all know you are coddled by the team.....but its time for that to end.

I totally stand by the coaches belief that if you practice you play.

Posted by: goosedude | December 9, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

WHAT PORTIS? ARE YOU GONNA TAKE YOUR BALL AND GO HOME? I HEARD THE PRESS CONFERENCE, ZORN WAS NOT THROWING YOU UNDER THE BUS. HE WAS ASKED A QUESTION AND ANSWERED IT. BIG DEAL! QUIT BEING A T.O! HE IS YOUR COACH/TEACHER MAYBE YOU WERE DOING SOMETHING WRONG. GO FIND OUT, INSTEAD OF WHINNING TO MEDIA. OBVIOUSLY IT WASN'T A BIG ENOUGH DEAL TO ZORN OR HE WOULD PROBABLY SEEK YOU OUT. OR DO WE THINK HE IS AFRAID TO DO THAT? RIGHT!

Posted by: kilmer55 | December 9, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I think its pretty obvious but people are scurred to say it. We are definitely going to win the Super Bowl this year, this argument and losing streak are exactly what makes a team uh, great...............

Posted by: MadDog20201 | December 9, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Um, the Gianst basically told Plaxico to go Eff himself, BEFORE THE shooting.

We need that attitude here.

Portis is a crybaby.
EVERY other RB in the league takes a pounding. Is Adrian Peterson not practicing?

Posted by: kreator6996

Right. And the Giants also let Antonio Pierce continue to play after taking an illegal gun across state lines to cover up a crime.

Posted by: filmjoy | December 9, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

ZJ,

Thanks if I have to tell one more person that I will kill myself.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 9, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse


Uhhh, I think they should RELEASE or TRADE Portis at the end of the year.

Posted by: Peaux_Sucent | December 9, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

What makes this whole thing foolish and makes Jim Zorn look foolish is that Portis is not Terrel Owens, he is not whiner or a wimp. He did not hold out of camp, instead he stayed here all offseason and did the lifting program that the team wanted. A model citizen. No trouble with the law. Etc. Plays hurt and so on.

He is highly regarded throughout the league as a gamebreaker and a very tough blocker. He was leading the league in yards and was being mentioned as an MVP candidate....not someone to call out on a nationally televised game.

Stump Mitchell called Portis "viscious" as a pass protector. According to Zorn himself, he "simplified" the offense for this game, so how would anything new have been introduced that Betts would know better than Portis? Jim Zorn won't call out Jansen for obvious whiffs on rushers, he won't adjust his scheme, some how Portis is supposed to deliver huge hits in the protection game and get out in flat to catch dump offs as Campbell runs for his life. Its BS.

The reality is that Zorn got a big head and starting thinking he was a great play-caller. But the rag-tag line and predicatible playing caught up to him as he started facing three or four top 7 defenses. If he wants to call out a wimpy player, call out Sean Springs who has consistently let this team down.

Portis has done what was asked. He played hurt. He carried the team at times, last year and this year. He is know as a great blocker. Zorn is a fool.

Blaming Portis, (originally blaming stump mithell) is a sissy move. I have seen enough of Zorn and his stupid weave necklace and mad scientist hair during post games.

Posted by: DownTownClown | December 9, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see Zorn and Portis go to counseling together. There are several good ones in the DC area. If things go right I see Zorn and Portis being sort of Moses and Aaron to the Redskins.

Posted by: josettes | December 10, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

D.T.C.,

You make a powerful argument about CP and his commitment to the team. I think Zorn will find you have to have unique approaches to handling players. I also would like JZ to play CB over JC. I think part of the protection problems are that JC holds on to the ball too long looking for a open receiver.

CB is much faster finding/anticipating receivers and releasing the ball.

Winning cures all.

Posted by: fortysteps | December 10, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of the effectiveness of what Zorn did or how bad Zorn's judgment was in holding Portis out of the second half, Portis can't go ripping into him in the national media. He just comes off as a self-ish, me-first prima donna who got upset because he was benched. What good did Portis think this would do, other than make him feel better? How is this supposed to pull the team together for the three-game playoff push? Rather than talk to him privately, Portis decides to go on the radio and make derisive commetns. What an idiot.

Posted by: KWall1 | December 10, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

If Clinton Portis wants to make himself a cancer-fine-make yourself a cancer, bud. Terry Allen tried that a few years ago as well. What CP does not seem to realize is that as much of a "warrior" he thinks he is, he has hurt the team over the last few weeks with his poor effort. I know its commendable to play hurt, but not when all you do is hurt the team. An 80% CP is not better than a 100% Ladell Betts.

Posted by: Kohlrums | December 10, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

the problem is not Portis; it is the line's inability to block. Jansen and Samuels are getting beat so bad, that we have to keep a RB and TE in to block these "All-Pro" tackles do their job.

Jason is our quarterback of the future; he just needs the time to make the plays. It is hard to make a play when someone is in your face or he is on his back.

I hope the front office is paying attention for the draft. We need two tackles and DE who can actually rush a QB and sack him.

Posted by: sar3 | December 10, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

TO ALL YOU IDIOTS WHO THINK PORTIS IS GREAT AND ZORN WAS WRONG:

Folks, let me give you all a dose of reality. ok? RB's are a dime a dozen. (See Carolina) I'm a huge Skins fan and CP's gotta go. There is a lot of FRESH young talent in this years draft. (Moreno McCoy, Wells, etc.) Point is CP is and always has been a me first player. All the MVP talk got to his head. He wasnt complaining about Zorn 1 month ago, now was he? This is the same idiot who called out his o -line the FIRST month of the season. He's a selfish POS, and for those who do not know he "floats in the other boat", if you know what I mean (John Amaechi.) And that is a fact.

Ladell Betts is a comparable back. Give him the amount of touches CP gets, I GUARANTEE he has comparable #'s. (See 2006 for proof).

Posted by: cj658 | December 10, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

"Um, the Gianst basically told Plaxico to go Eff himself, BEFORE THE shooting."

Nope. The Giants brought him in, evaluated the wound, gave hime an MRI, received the prognosis, THEN suspended him. Once they were sure he could not contribute. Trust me, they weren't taking the high road here.

Posted by: bmo63 | December 10, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

From Dec 3 NY Times:

"On Wednesday, Reese, who helped engineer last season’s Super Bowl run, said that if Burress survived a blizzard of legal issues, he could be a Giant in 2009. 'Provided he plays by Giants rules,' Reese said."

Not exactly telling Plaxico to Eff himself...

Posted by: bmo63 | December 10, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Portis knows what he's doing.....this effectively takes the Campbell issues off the front pages.

Posted by: i155133 | December 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I am SO sick and tired of athletes like Portis who go on and on and on about how disrespected they are and what upstanding people they must be for rising above all this adversity. It's ridiculous. Portis thinks of himself as a star running back, but star running backs don't get held to 32 yards. Ever. Even against Baltimore. We don't need this garbage right now. He needs to grow up.

Posted by: brian71490 | December 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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