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Portis Still Struggling

Running back Clinton Portis was injured in the fourth quarter of Sunday's loss to the Lions, Coach Jim Zorn said, and was unavailable for both the drive that pulled Washington within 19-14 and the final possession of the game, on which the Redskins failed to score.

Zorn said Portis "got kicked in the calf. He's doing very well." But the Pro Bowl running back gained only 42 yards on 12 carries. After gaining 1,487 yards a year ago, Portis has just 183 yards on 47 attempts (3.9-yard average) in three games this year.

"I thought he ran the ball very hard," Zorn said Monday. "I thought Clinton did a really nice job yesterday of helping us in protection schemes as well. I think he had a good game. Now, we only got him a few touches in the first half, but we started to put things together in the second."

Special teams captain Rock Cartwright, essentially the third-string back, was in the backfield on the penultimate drive of the day and caught Jason Campbell's four-yard scoring pass with 2:36 remaining to cut the Lions' lead to five points.

Cartwright, who had just three receptions since 2003, caught three balls for 12 yards against Detroit. Zorn said Cartwright appeared in the game because Portis was hurt and backup Ladell Betts was "gassed," and the Redskins wanted "just to put a fresh guy in there."

"I would've loved to win this football game besides me getting to play a few plays of offense," Cartwright said. "I got in there. CP was hurt. Ladell was a little winded. So I got my opportunity to go in there, and I was able to make a couple of plays, and give us an opportunity to win the football game. I'm just trying to play my part."

Portis's health, and resulting ability to practice, could be a lingering issue for the Redskins. Their top back twice has been stopped on crucial fourth-down plays inside the 5 and hasn't scored a touchdown this season. Zorn said last week Portis, who was listed as questionable for Sunday's game, has been slowed by ankle problems since the preseason.

The Redskins activated Anthony Alridge, signed just last week after they cut him in the preseason, and now have five backs on the roster -- Portis, Betts, Cartwright, Alridge and Marcus Mason. Mason had three carries for five yards two weeks ago against St. Louis, but was not active for Sunday's game. Alridge, a speedier back who had signed with the Houston practice squad, did not play against Detroit.

Portis did not speak with the media Sunday night after the game.

By Barry Svrluga  |  September 28, 2009; 6:00 PM ET
 
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Comments

Far cry from "is it bleeding?"

Posted by: Xlnt | September 28, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Blow it up and start over.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 28, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

DC's O is is ranked 18th in the NFL on 3rd down conversions at 38%, thanks in part to 20% yesterday. Sonny's career TD% is 6. Soupy's is 3.1. Collins is 3.5; 4.8 when he led DC to the 2007 playoffs. Any team should want to play a QB that can read a defense and throw the ball to the open man on time; except this one apparently.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

3.4 not 3.5

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Sit Portis...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

He (and any RB) needs healthy, aggressive, NFL-caliber blockers in front of him. Next topic?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 28, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

You mean our next GM? Once the owner fires VC, he is going to need a friend to fill the void....who better than his NFL running back buddy

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Sit Portis...

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheDirtySanchez | September 28, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

From stat man Boswell last week: " One of the critical ways to measure an NFL quarterback is his percentage of touchdown passes. In all eras, from Sammy Baugh (6.2 percent of his passes were touchdowns) to the present, the great passers know how to finish a drive. A typical touchdown percentage for a star is between 4.5 percent and 6 percent. Below 4 percent is poor. Zorn himself, as well as ex-Redskins coach Steve Spurrier, were only at 3.5 percent.

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent. Only 14 quarterbacks, all nonentities, rank lower. " Todd Collins career % is 3.4 on 651 attempts; 4.8 in 2007. This is the elephant in the room. Funny how Saunders' O worked when Collins played as it probably would w/ Zorn's.

Spare me the career backup stuff because Soupy will probably be a backup for the rest of his career after this season (like his clone Kyle Boller). DC needs a right now guy. There are older QB's that have won Super Bowls so give the ageism a rest too.

Soup is better in the gun, but the run game becomes limited in it. Still can't read the D quick enough and I've sadly watched him since 2003. Cooley and Davis lined up side by side on at least three plays vs. the Rams, down the hash marks for at least one potentially huge gain (Davis) and the ball went somewhere else.

Big Ben can read a D, move in the pocket and make winning plays. Please stop making excuses for an average (at best) QB that never has consistently shown these traits from 2003 to the present day.

Sonny was better than Billy, as was Theismann. Doug was better than Jay; Stan was better than Ryp, although DC won a ring with him. As most fans, I do not care what the DC QB looks like but want them to win by as much as possible ASAP. Collins is better than Soup. Prepare a QB for when he's done winning for DC.

HTTR

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

My entire family are Redskin fans, however I jumped ship a long time ago because of Snyder's greed. As long as you continue to support his greedy ways, you will continue to be on the short end of the stick...period!

Posted by: Witten82
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That's so frickin' stupid. Leaving the Skins (Dan Snyder) for the Cowboys (Jerry Jones) because of Snyder's greed? That's like saying "I started doing heroin because the cocaine was killing me." Why don't you check out how happy the Cowboy fans are with Jerry's greed at the link below.

http://www.disgustedbyjerry.com/


Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

It's not Portis who is struggling. It's the offensive line. Clinton is doing his best running into walls, but there is only so much he can do. The rare occasion when there is a hole is when he picks up some yardage. Most of the time there is nothing there.

Posted by: WallyG3 | September 28, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Portis is ineffective at this point...Do they keep track of the stats for yards after first contact?

I am sure its due to health...Im not saying he is useless. But he needs to rest. Witht he next three games being against the lower teams...why not give him a couple weeks to get healthy for the games that are at least in the division.

At the same time, you get a look at what should be the future RBs Mason and Aldridge.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent
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Ouch! That hurts. I wasn't saying that JC was Brett Favre or anything and I know that this is just one stat, but I also didn't realize that he was that bad.

Posted by: RITCA | September 28, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Clinton goes down easier than a freshman cheerleader. Time for a change of pace at RB. Just to give teams a different look. We break off one big run, that opens up the man coverage down field. The safeties on the other teams dont even bother coming towards the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Out of all the 219 passers in NFL history who have thrown at least 900 passes, Campbell ranks in a five-way tie for 201st at 3.1 percent

He aint the prettiest girl at the dance, but at leasst he's dancing!

Posted by: CheyenneWY | September 28, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

You're right Flounder...
But when Gibbs wisely resigned, the investment remained and became Snyder's.. So, Jason plays.. Plus, Zorny was hired specifically to raise the value of JC's investment.. Zorn was considered top 5 in QB coaching.

Poor Danny, 31 other GMs wouldnt give him a 3rd round pick for JC, last march.

They must know something...
Skins are 3rd from last in points scored (total NFL).. and league worst in 3rd down conversions.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The only reason JC never had to compete for his job was that Snyder gave up two Firsts (one to Denver and one that was used to select him) and a 3rd and a 4th plus a huge signing bonus.


You would be wrong here Gibbs gave all that up for JC he was in chage.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 28, 2009 6:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

PORTIS DECLARES HIMSELF UNAVAILABLE FOR PRACTICE

ASHBURN, VA - Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis said today that he was so fatigued from just watching his other teammates practice last week, that he couldn't summon the energy to play effectively in a Sunday afternoon loss to former league doormat Detroit.

When asked who then was wearing his uniform during the embarrassing loss, Portis said: "Yeah, I was there, but that wasn't me."

Portis said that watching his all week teammates running around at practice and trying to get their timing and rhythm down left him feeling winded and tired.

"All that standing around during the practice sessions left my ankles feeling pretty sore too," he said.

Portis has therefore made himself unavailable this week's practices, and he won't even bother to attend any team meetings in preparation for next Sunday's home game against Tampa Bay.

Said the star running back, "I don't want to take any chances this week. So I'll just see ya all on Sunday. But you should only plan on having me available play for part of the 3rd Quarter."

Posted by: Vic1 | September 28, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Anthony Alridge did play, might want to watch the game!

FIRE LARRY MICHAEL!!

Posted by: Spanglerg | September 28, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I was one of the booing fans in the Rams game and while Im not sorry I did it and feel its our right and how we have a voice to them it by no means is telling them that I, ME, thatI love them any less. They are my team man, and now it just hurts. It hurts for them, hurts to be a fan and have the stink of it put in my face by other fans of the enemy NFC East teams. I wont jump ship as in fact I think the main problem is Mr Snyder and Vinny controling the coach and player selection too much. maybe Im wrong, but I feel thats why other "coaches" steered clear of the job. Who wants to coach a team they cant coach but be accountable for it at the same time. Management has no vision for this team.

Posted by: ebbline | September 28, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said Cartwright appeared in the game because Portis was hurt and backup Ladell Betts was "gassed,"

By Barry Svrluga | September 28, 2009; 6:00 PM ET

How can this be? Betts caught four passes yesterday for 43 yards, and he had one run for two yards. How can a professional athlete be "gassed" after that? Special teams? Pass protection?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 28, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Clinton goes down easier than a freshman cheerleader. Time for a change of pace at RB. Just to give teams a different look. We break off one big run, that opens up the man coverage down field. The safeties on the other teams dont even bother coming towards the line of scrimmage.

Posted by: CheyenneWY

That's funny. I'd swear most teams have loaded up the box to stop Clinton this year. I would love to see the safeties on the other team play as deep as ours.

Posted by: dcwun | September 28, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Trade him for Ray Rice.

Posted by: ItsOver1 | September 28, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

A *third-down* back is "gassed" during a game? This is the most ridiculous sh!t I have ever read. Who the "f" is the conditioning coach and why does he still have a f-ing job?!!!!

Posted by: all_star_0013 | September 28, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

This too shall pass.

Now if only we could run.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I was one of the booing fans in the Rams game and while Im not sorry I did it and feel its our right and how we have a voice to them it by no means is telling them that I, ME, thatI love them any less. They are my team man, and now it just hurts. It hurts for them, hurts to be a fan and have the stink of it put in my face by other fans of the enemy NFC East teams. I wont jump ship as in fact I think the main problem is Mr Snyder and Vinny controling the coach and player selection too much. maybe Im wrong, but I feel thats why other "coaches" steered clear of the job. Who wants to coach a team they cant coach but be accountable for it at the same time. Management has no vision for this team.

Posted by: ebbline | September 28, 2009 6:35 PM


Boooo!!!!!

Posted by: TWISI | September 28, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Tweeted earlier by Adam Schefter:Daniel Snyder's private plane in Denver, about 15 minutes from Mike Shanahan's house. But no -- no! It's there for business, not Shanahan.

Still, so close....

Posted by: will_ga | September 28, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Fire Vinny! Fire Vinny! Fire Vinny!

Until that happens, any minor discussion of injuries or coaching is completely irrelevant.

Get a REAL GM in here!! One who won't capitulate to Snyder's every whim.

Posted by: drischord | September 28, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

The saga gets more and more bleak every day. The drama in the preseason was a precursor to the dismal performances we are witnessing now. How the "f" can you support this contingent of cowards. No heart, no accountability. DISTGUSTING.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | September 28, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I really likes the new dude on NBC, the Rod Man (not Dennis). Unlike his mush-mouth cohort, the Dung Man, Rod Man has the balls to call his shots. To wit:

1. Philadelphia’s wildcat offense = “a joke”
2. Jason Campbell = “a backup”
3. Terrell Owens = “a clown”

He sure right about Campbell. It mystifies me that dudes show up on this blog and try to defend him. How can they be so clueless? WTF.

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Zorn said Cartwright appeared in the game because Portis was hurt and backup Ladell Betts was "gassed,"

By Barry Svrluga | September 28, 2009; 6:00 PM ET

How can this be? Betts caught four passes yesterday for 43 yards, and he had one run for two yards. How can a professional athlete be "gassed" after that? Special teams? Pass protection?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 28, 2009 6:43 PM |

Hey, I will be the judge of who is gassed around here.

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Heartless f-ing cowards! You should be ashamed to show your faces in public. Highly paid losers with no conscience. You have no reason to be drawing income.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | September 28, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Just read an injury report on Marion Barber where Jerry Jones told the media he thought Barber was "doubtful". Jerry Jones gives the injury reports for the Cowgirls? Dallas has to hate that guy! Fire Vnny, Zorn and Blache!!!!!

Posted by: tdpillo123 | September 28, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I have been telling you to blow it up for years... just include Danny and Vinny in the equation! Portis is worn out, his replacements have used up their shelf life as well. This is not JC's fault - it's an organization problem. Crap trickes down from the owner's box. Their is no class in this place... Boycott anything Redskin - tickets, apparel, don't watch the game (except in paper bags!) Snyder is such a prick he won't understand anything other than green (or lack of green) The only thing Snyder can leave is his wallet when he blows things up - that is unless he wants to SELL TO LEONSIS!!!!

Posted by: 1of9000 | September 28, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

GasFace,

Rod gets so respect from me. How in the hell is going to judge talent when he no talent ass got busted for HGH? F that clown. I am not a big T.O. fan but he is right for calling that cheater out!!!

Posted by: jm220 | September 28, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Did JC call that retarded hook&ladder play to the end the game?

Posted by: divi3

At his presser, Zorn said it was a designed play because their WRs (think he meant DBs) were standing in the end zone. That play call was on Zorn 100%.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

At his presser, Zorn said it was a designed play because their WRs (think he meant DBs) were standing in the end zone. That play call was on Zorn 100%.

Posted by: Curzon417
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Hilarious. So we quit passing because they have pass defenders playing defense?

Posted by: chasgiffen | September 28, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Not to get all Barney Fife up in here, but I'd like to propose a ban on any suggestions that Snyder's ownership of our beloved Redskins be somehow brought to an end. I wish we were rid of this ridiculous man, but I also understand there is nothing I can do to bring his ownership of the team to an end.

Sorry to single you out, 1in9000, but I cite this as a perfect example:
"I have been telling you to blow it up for years... just include Danny and Vinny in the equation!"

To whom is this sentence addressed? God? Gandalf? Commissioner Goodell?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Not to get all Barney Fife up in here, but I'd like to propose a ban on any suggestions that Snyder's ownership of our beloved Redskins be somehow brought to an end. I wish we were rid of this ridiculous man, but I also understand there is nothing I can do to bring his ownership of the team to an end.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | September 28, 2009 7:25 PM

I second this. Snyder would be stupid (jury is still out!) to sell this team and anyone thinking it is going to happen is "just bruising their fingers" (to quote the great cL) posting it up here.

Move to vote.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Jason addressed this before but is this team in shape?

They had a real easy training camp but we know that camps are meaningless now in terms of getting in shape. Guys train year round essentially.

Still too many guys sucking wind for my tastes.

Just one more complaint to add to my growing list.

Posted by: SteveMG | September 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

DC's O is is ranked 18th in the NFL on 3rd down conversions at 38%, thanks in part to 20% yesterday. Sonny's career TD% is 6. Soupy's is 3.1. Collins is 3.5; 4.8 when he led DC to the 2007 playoffs. Any team should want to play a QB that can read a defense and throw the ball to the open man on time; except this one apparently.

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:10 PM
Give "Soupy" Charley Taylor, Jerry Smith, Bobby Mitchell, and Larry Brown, and see what happens to his TD percentage. Pleeeeease. Sonny had hands like glue Smith, JC gets slippery Sellers (no disrespect meant to our blocking studback).

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

"31 other GMs wouldnt give him a 3rd round pick for JC, last march."

That's really a pretty stupid statement.

Most teams were already set at the QB position by March, so there was no reason for most to even consider it. You saw how well "Captain Maturity" Jay Cutler took it when he found out that his front office was doing there due diligence to look for ways to improve...

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Sonny had hands like glue Smith, JC gets slippery Sellers (no disrespect meant to our blocking studback).

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 7:32 Jerry Smith was Tight End , not a Fullback. You're right abut Sellers though. Cooley and Moss have been to the Pro Bowl as well as Portis. Next excuse?

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"You saw how well "Captain Maturity" Jay Cutler took it when he found out that his front office was doing there due diligence to look for ways to improve..."

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Also saw how well "JC Supporters on RI" reacted when the Skins FO was doing their due diligence to look for ways to improve...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

was...were...oh well...

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Again, Portis is just an average NFL back. Probably not all that much better than Betts. Yeah he has a lot of yards rushing ... but getting him into the end zone to catch a pass like Cartwright did is tantamount to asking Cristian Guzman to play second base for the Nationals. Unless it involves increasing his yardage totals so that he can somehow (and it isn't clear to me HOW) he can get a record and get into the HOF. Ain't going to happen period. Do you hear me Portis fans: Inouye means NO WAY!

Prefer a back who wants to score 40 TDs in a season ... not the number of yards gained on the ground.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Sonny was better than Billy, as was Theismann. Doug was better than Jay; Stan was better than Ryp, although DC won a ring with him. As most fans, I do not care what the DC QB looks like but want them to win by as much as possible ASAP. Collins is better than Soup. Prepare a QB for when he's done winning for DC.

HTTR

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 6:22 PM
So Collins would have audibled out of that 4th down Portis run left, and he would have sprinted to catch his own pass so Sellers wouldn't drop it? He would have jumped out to block for CP to give him more than 0 yards in the 1st half? JC's QB rating was 96.7. He wasn't the problem. And to those who say he padded his stats during "garbage time", the game went down to the last minute; there was no "garbage time".

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Commissioner Gordon.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 28, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

At his presser, Zorn said it was a designed play because their WRs (think he meant DBs) were standing in the end zone. That play call was on Zorn 100%.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:21 PM

No, he meant wide receivers. They were playing DB on that last play.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Curzon - not sure what your point is or how it relates?

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

from the World Wide Leader:

Snyder's plane was in Denver. "Personal business" my ass.

Posted by: whughes1 | September 28, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

edvar, you're right, it does not relate to the comment you were responding to. still have my hackles up from the game yesterday and threw that out there.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Troubling Headlines:

"Zorn on Snyder, Team Unity and Identity"

"Portis Still Struggling"

"Cooley Gives Zorn a Vote of Confidence"


These headlines give me the feelings the fan of a bad team feels just before he pulls the paperbag over his head.

But the season is not over.

Maybe somehow this will all change.

Hail to the Redskins!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse


Did JC call that retarded hook&ladder play to the end the game?

Posted by: divi3

At his presser, Zorn said it was a designed play because their WRs (think he meant DBs) were standing in the end zone. That play call was on Zorn 100%.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:21 PM
yeah, its kinda assumed that on the last play of the game 30+ yards away the D will be filling the endzone; you still have a much better chance of one of your guys coming down with a hail Mary than scoring on the Hook and Ladder. Has ANYONE EVER seen the H/L used, in ANY game, when the QB was within comfortable throwing range of the endzone?

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

worst team in the NFL right now... us. Snyder should fire himself and hire a blind, deaf, mute trillionaire to run the team.

Posted by: DCXNTX | September 28, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

1. At his presser, Zorn said it was a designed play because their WRs (think he meant DBs) were standing in the end zone. That play call was on Zorn 100%.

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

This was so bizarre to me. So if they are in the endzone, do you not think they will come out and tackle you before you get there? Secondly, if you throw in the end zone, there is a possibility you will get a PI and one more play at the 1 (however, I suggest you not run Portis left--I think the other teams know about that).

2. Betts gassed? Offense had the ball for like 17 minutes. And he wasn't even on the field most of that time.

Be proud, these are YOUR Washington Redskins!

Posted by: nojunk4me | September 28, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 7:32 Jerry Smith was Tight End , not a Fullback. You're right abut Sellers though. Cooley and Moss have been to the Pro Bowl as well as Portis. Next excuse?

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 7:40 PM
Cooley and Moss weren't open in the endzone. Campbell doesn't make personel decisions or call the plays.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Ok.

I thought maybe I was missing the big fat obvious again.

Don't know if should stop taking my meds or double down...

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm about tired of Portis, and Betts, I want to see some fresh young bloods in there, Mason, or Aldridge, or somebody, and I want to see Marko Mitchell on the field and thrown to, there is too much dependence on the same offensive cast, Portis,Cooley,Moss,ARE.

MESSAGE TO BLACHE: When you blitz, especially with inexperienced QBs in the game, it tends to disrupt and also leads to SACKS and TURNOVERS. Thought you might want to know. Also, you might want to run some basic tackling drills in practice this week, just like in pee-wee football, where you emphasize, "wrapping up with your arms", instead of just blindly throwing your body in through the air.

Posted by: 72Redskins | September 28, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Best Line: cheyenne

"Clinton goes down easier than a freshman cheerleader."


Doesn't it really matter which Clinton we're talking about going down?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Wanna buy the team with me. Let's get our franchise back. Follow on twitter @letsbuytheskins to show you want some stake in the ownership. Pass on the word.

Posted by: letsbuytheskins | September 28, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Wanna buy the skins with me? Follow us on twitter @letsbuytheskins to get our team back

Posted by: letsbuytheskins | September 28, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Another Quarterback to follow: Jake Locke, SR-Washington Huskies

Passing Statistics

NAME CMP ATT YDS CMP% YDS/A TD INT RAT
Jake Locker 79 136 1002 58.1 7.37 6 3 130.1

Career Totals 79 136 1002 58.1 7.37 6 3 130.1

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 28, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Enough of the weeping and gnashing of teeth. Firing Zorn or benching Campbell now will accomplish nothing positive, you won't be able to bring in a Cowher or Shanahan mid-season (assuming they would even consider the gig). The Redskins will have to take their lumps while Zorn & Co. try to devise a workable offense for Campbell & Co. They are what they are (and what some of us thought they were all along) and not much can be done this season. Zorn will likely be fired at the end of the season and Campbell's fate will be decided by the next head coach. The only hope is for Snyder to face reality and hire a real GM with complete authority to begin a rational building process. Until then it's pointless to call for heads to roll when the problem is at the highest level of the organization.

Posted by: SackMan | September 28, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

portis can't get his stats if he doesn't get his touches.

thanks to the boo-birds and the me-me-me-media he didn't get his touches.

some D's blitz when they have a lead, but the booing fans weren't happy with run, play D, and taking FGs.

good job fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 28, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

here's a QB to keep an eye on

Jason Campbell

5th in comp%, 9th in yards and QB rating

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 28, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

On ESPN, it was noted that Sean Payton gave up 250K of his salary to bring in Gregg Williams to coach the D..and its paying off. One... What a cheap org NO is to make the head coach hire coordinators on a budget, and two..yes Danny, Greggs D er um, pressures QB's

Posted by: ocskins | September 28, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Dod anyone else notice Laron's futile tackle attempt on Kevin Smith on the first drive...dude carried him for 4 yards in the absence of a wrap up tackle. I am getting weary of his act. Why can't he just play instead of trying for a highlight reel effort on every down. Is this a "detail" issue?

Posted by: dcinchi | September 28, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

the booing fans are like a bunch of Snyder's...TD who-ers who don't appreciate the game of football

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 28, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins isnt the answer to anything. He's looked lousy in Zorn's offense and his success here was based on knowing Saunders schemes inside and out.

Hate on JC all you want, but Collins or the midget from Hawaii wouldnt being faring any better

Posted by: divi3 | September 28, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

portis can't get his stats if he doesn't get his touches.

thanks to the boo-birds and the me-me-me-media he didn't get his touches.

some D's blitz when they have a lead, but the booing fans weren't happy with run, play D, and taking FGs.

good job fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 28, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse


Is this a serious post? Or are you kidding?

The Redskins dysfunctionality is now the fault of the fans????

Are you Robert Henson or something?

First, the Skins offense was looking sucky far before the fans booed at FedEx against the Rams.

Second, if our team and players are so influenced by some deserved booing that they start altering their game plan, then they should all be fired/cut for being spineless unprofessional incompetents.

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

portis can't get his stats if he doesn't get his touches.

thanks to the boo-birds and the me-me-me-media he didn't get his touches.

Posted by: pabrian2003


I knew I wasn't the only one. Thanx.

I'm completely baffled that Portis has not eclipsed the 20+ carry mark yet.

It doesn't baffle me that we lose when we don't give him the ball. I've posted the stats here many time. When Portis gets his carries we win. We Win.

Redskins record when Portis

7-18.

Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

correction:

8-20 counting this season.

Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

portis can't get his stats if he doesn't get his touches.

good job fans

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 28, 2009 8:16

BOO pabrian2003! Whazzat Portis stats are more important than winning!? Tell your hero he should've caught that TD pass instead of Cartwright. Does he do that? NO. CUT PORTIS NOW.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Record when Portis has fewer than 20 carries:

8-20

Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I knew I wasn't the only one. Thanx.

I'm completely baffled that Portis has not eclipsed the 20+ carry mark yet.

It doesn't baffle me that we lose when we don't give him the ball. I've posted the stats here many time. When Portis gets his carries we win. We Win.

Redskins record when Portis

7-18.


Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse


You know about this other stat that I dug up?

Check this out. I found this stat that says when the Redskins score more points than the other team, they win 100% of the time.

I mean sheesh, I've been up here telling people that.

I don't understand why the team doesn't just go out and score more points than the opponent.

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm completely baffled that Portis has not eclipsed the 20+ carry mark yet.

They fall behind. They can't move the ball on the ground. They can't make a yard on 4th and one in the endzone? So, they don't score. Portis has only scored 2 TDs in around 10 game. That's the telling statistic. TD's, Points. Not yards, yards per carry or number of carries. POINTS!

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I just want to point out that I'm really happy that the punting game has improved.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 28, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

They fall behind. They can't move the ball on the ground. They can't make a yard on 4th and one in the endzone? So, they don't score. Portis has only scored 2 TDs in around 10 game. That's the telling statistic. TD's, Points. Not yards, yards per carry or number of carries. POINTS!

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse


Peri,

Vicc has a point. The stat is valid.

We should give Portis a 20 year contract extension.

Who cares if he's 45 years old? The stat says that when we give him 20+ rushes, we win.

Period. End of argument.

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Bucs Come to Town w/ a New Starting QB"

There was a day when a headline like this would get me excited about the Skins feasting on a weakling.

Now it just makes me nervous and the first thought in my head is - "Great, another opportunity to get embarassed."

Posted by: p1funk | September 28, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone notice that we actually made some yards in the 2nd half when we ran to the right side? Maybe Soups needs to audible to that more often. Opposing D is loading our left side... No more sweeps. Portis has no "cut back" in him any longer. It is very noticeable as this is the 3rd week that I have said that.

I want Blache to talk about the dang "cushion" our DBs play. Where are these blitz schemes?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 28, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Sup, fellas?

Got a tonic for all that ails you--a Cowgirls beat down at the hands of the Carolina Panthers!

Er, if JJones gets a touch of Portitis, maybe. Here's hopin!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 28, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Make that Felix Jones. Stupid Joneses.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | September 28, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

JC stats up until the last 5 minutes, e.g. minus playing against a 3 man rush that any 3rd backup in the NFL could beat underneath (I think I did this right):

16/27, 222 yds, 1 TD 1 INT.

It is the same every week. JC is a 50-60% completion rate guy who pads his stats in the last 5 minutes (not because he is trying to just pad his stats, mostly because the teams on the Redskins schedule for the last 11 games are so bad, or occasionally the D was playing so well, that they can't score points either and make it pointless).

I think I am with the folks who say: JC is not the main problem, but he is a problem, not an answer.

Posted by: zornskins2 | September 28, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

here's a QB to keep an eye on

Jason Campbell

5th in comp%, 9th in yards and QB rating

Posted by: pabrian2003

Another stat devotee that doesn't get it. Stats are for guys that didn't play the game. I want a QB that can look-off a DB, and can quickly scan the field, and release the throw to the corrct WR. JC has had 5 years to show us that he can, including the last two years in the same system.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 28, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Betts gassed? wow.......that about sums it up right?

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

As far as the Orioles go, at least they have a bona fide GM.

Posted by: cannontl | September 28, 2009 8:38 PM |
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And most of their prized youngsters will still be playing on their cheaper, rookie contracts for quite a good time, unlike an owner of a football team that pays too much money to people don't perform.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

righto Zornskins! JC does pad his stats against prevent D's and also between the 20's. Once in the redzone or against a non-prevent D (oxy-moron anyone?) he fails miserably. That's why stats are so worthless most of the time.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 28, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

All of you that are laying into Danny Snyder might just be right in one respect only. It is his fault, because he is sitting on his butt in the background like most of the fans want because yawls' think he don't know nothing about Football.

Danny Snyder better get a grip and stop listening to the Fans and the pundits and get involved with this Team like he was from the beginning.

He should have Jim Zorn on the Carpet like he did to Norm Turner. Danny should give him an ultimatum. Zorny boy, you are still my coach, but your play calling sucks, so the play calling will be done by Sherman.

I fault Danny Synder for listening to the Fans and the Pundits and fading into background when it comes to football decisions.

Danny Synder needs to be loud and clear on the football decisions and maybe his Team might get the message.

You can say what you want about the Squire, Jack Kent Cooke, but one thing was never in question and that was he was the man that had the last say so on the Redskins decisions. He was in charge.

Danny has faded so far in the background, nobody knows what his fingerprints are on this Team.

It is a huge mistake for Mr. Snyder not to be upfront in the decision making and direction of this Team. We know that he is the owner, so he needs to stop making his decisions in secret.

We know more about the decisions that Jerry Jones makes for his Team than we know about the ones that Danny is making for this Team.

What kind of Football Team does Danny Synder really want? Has he ever said it in public? Does any of you really know?

Is it any wonder that Zorn and these players don't know who's on first.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 28, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I noticed that Vinny Cerrato's show on 980 is called "Inside the Red Zone".... Really? Is that supposed to be a joke?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 28, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Watching cowgirls vs panthers - man, the skins have no team speed at all. The LBs for the panthers are fast.

Anybody else think the skins are just slow?

Posted by: dieyoudogs | September 28, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It's all about the O-line. A good, healthy o-line would be making Portis and Campbell look good.

Cerrato needs to go. O-line's been an obvious problem for years. Instead of drafting and otherwise addressing the problems, we have two-bit receivers to spare.

Posted by: rob23 | September 28, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

You can say what you want about the Squire, Jack Kent Cooke, but one thing was never in question and that was he was the man that had the last say so on the Redskins decisions. He was in charge.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 28, 2009 8:56 PM
Larry, you might want to check into what Joe Gibbs had to say about "The Squire". He told Gibbs that it was Gibbs team, and that even if he disagreed with him on something, it was always going to be Gibbs decision. The only caveat was that if there was gonna be a big chunk of money spent, he wanted a heads up. Not approval, just a heads up. Gibbs did say, though, that he listened to Cook when he said a player was gonna be a problem, because almost always he was right. Lets not even talk about George Allen, he ran the team like it was his own. Snyder doesn't need to get more involved, he needs to get a real NFL GM.

Posted by: kenboy1 | September 28, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else think the skins are just slow?

Posted by: dieyoudogs
read my posts yesterday, yes they are aging rapidly and slow in many critical areas, LB's for sure, Cooley, Betts, Rock, ARE...

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 28, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

So ... instead of OL, desperately needed OL Snidely goes after another receiver ... mebbe a QB is next? What a moron.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Enough of the weeping and gnashing of teeth. Firing Zorn or benching Campbell now will accomplish nothing positive, you won't be able to bring in a Cowher or Shanahan mid-season (assuming they would even consider the gig). The Redskins will have to take their lumps while Zorn & Co. try to devise a workable offense for Campbell & Co. They are what they are (and what some of us thought they were all along) and not much can be done this season. Zorn will likely be fired at the end of the season and Campbell's fate will be decided by the next head coach. The only hope is for Snyder to face reality and hire a real GM with complete authority to begin a rational building process. Until then it's pointless to call for heads to roll when the problem is at the highest level of the organization.
SackMan
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SackMan is right on point. Snyder is now reaping what he has sown since he bought the team and hired/fired numerous coaches. I was wondering when the "market" would punish Snyder and we are seeing that now because the fan goodwill from "Joe Gibbs II" has evaporated.

What is the blueprint for a successful sports franchise, especially in the DC area? See the Caps and the Ravens who have supportive owners, but true professionals running the show. Snyder will overpay (he always does in order to get people to work for him) for the next GM, but hopefully he will learn from this debacle and do the right thing.

What Snyder CAN do in the interim is make the working conditions miserable at Redskin Park until the team earns the cushy benefits back. The players seem too entitled to the luxuries bestowed upon them as opposed to being hungry to WIN GAMES! Very sad state of affairs in Ashburn.

Posted by: G-SHOK | September 28, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

What the hel1 is Carolina doing having their DBs line up at the line of scrimmage? That is some serious bad coaching!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Some QBs ball:

"Maybe this Jay Cutler experiment can work out after all. Devin Hester had an impressive 36-yard go-ahead touchdown late in the fourth quarter at Seattle. He wasn’t the only Bear receiver to show up: Hester, five catches for 76 yards; Earl Bennett, four catches for 80 yards; Greg Olsen, five catches for 44 yards; Johnnie Knox, one catch for a dazzling seven-yard score."

Some fall:

"JaMarcus Russell completed 14 of his 21 passes against the Broncos. Problem was, two of the 14 were to the wrong team. If Al Davis wants his club to restore some pride, he’ll have to swallow some of his own; Davis needs to be willing to admit that his former No. 1 overall draft pick, who has a passer rating of 39.8, might not be the right man for the job."

"Might not be the right man for the job"? Could there be other QBs who were 1st round draft choices of whom that could be said? Here in DC? "this Jay Cutler experiment"? Could there have been a "Jay Cutler experiment" in DC?

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Zorn finds the head coaching experience "interesting" . . . to me this is the most damning thing he's said so far.

Disgusted. One day you wake up and you're the Rams.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | September 28, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Look! There it is! It's Daniel Snyder's private plane -- in Denver! About 15 minutes from Mike Shanahan's house! Confirmed.

But what also has been confirmed by ESPN's NFL Insider Adam Schefter is that Snyder's plane is not there to pick up Shanahan and to take him back to Washington, as much as some Redskins fans might like that idea. Snyder's plane is there on other business, at least according to NFL sources.

But the idea is as intriguing as it is amusing, says Schefter. It also is the second time this month that a private plane has landed in the Denver area and set off a wave of speculation. Earlier this month, when there was a chance Denver could trade wide receiver Brandon Marshall, the New York Giants team plane was spotted in the Denver area. But the Giants plane was there for other non-football business, just as Snyder's is in Denver now.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Curzon..... The Panthers are obviously cheating... it's like in Flag football,... the defenders have to be 5 yds off the ball and since we are a very ethical team, we figure 10 yds off the ball is doubly effective....

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 28, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

that was all on 87!!!! talk about not having your QB's back!

Posted by: dealer1 | September 28, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

here's a QB to keep an eye on
Jason Campbell
5th in comp%, 9th in yards and QB rating
Posted by: pabrian2003
++++++++++++++++++++
12 of 27 of JC's completions yesterday were in the last 5 minutes of the game. Nearly one half. The same in the Gints game, mop up yards and passes in a prevent D.
go back and look at the plays (see below)... One half of JC's stats are in prevent Defense scenarios.. After the Lions had made the score 19-7 at the 5 minute mark, they left the middle open and allowed short passes to Jason to run out the clock and get the ball back. It was a two possession game, so a TD didnt really matter and they played back, soft. 2nd Skins possession, same thing.. DBs played deep and let Campbell throw anything complete as long as it was short. When passes matter and DBs are playing their man as usual, Campbell is at the bottom in QB ratings.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Soups is never going to be one of the "Brady, BBM, Brees, Rivers" type of QB. Guess what, neither is McNabb, but he's been a pretty good QB. That is what JC can be to us. 28 teams don't have a FRANCHISE guy. 3 or 4 guys jump off the map each year. Some stick and some don't. See Derek Anderson, Romo, Delhomme etc. Be careful what you wish for. I'll keep him in favor of the unknown.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 28, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"Roars came from the Saints’ locker room Sunday night when the game ball was presented to the coordinator Gregg Williams, whose defense allowed no points by the Bills’ offense. We know the Saints now have a defense because in one day, Terrell Owens was transformed from good soldier into, well, Terrell Owens."

Somewhere far-off in a distant galaxy there is D. In fact, scientists studying it say it bears marked similarities to the D that a team in DC used to have. Imagine that!

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Below is the last 5 minutes of the game and the score is 19-7. So Lions play Prevent Defense since its a two possession game.. ie.. playing soft to run out the clock. It makes JC look like an all-pro but, the DBs are playing like "out fielders", preventing quick strikes..

Washington Redskins at 05:26
4-J.Hanson kicks 66 yards from DET 30 to WAS 4. 31-R.Cartwright to WAS 28 for 24 yards (45-J.Felton).
1-10-WAS 28 (5:20) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass deep right to 89-S.Moss to WAS 49 for 21 yards (32-A.Henry; 23-K.Hobbs).
1-10-WAS 49 (4:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 46-L.Betts to DET 44 for 7 yards (55-L.Foote).
2-3-DET 44 (4:26) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 46-L.Betts to DET 35 for 9 yards (55-L.Foote; 23-K.Hobbs).
1-10-DET 35 (4:02) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short left to 82-A.Randle El. Washington challenged the incomplete pass ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short left to 82-A.Randle El pushed ob at DET 20 for 15 yards (26-L.Delmas).
1-10-DET 20 (3:50) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 31-R.Cartwright to DET 12 for 8 yards (23-K.Hobbs).
2-2-DET 12 (3:25) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 31-R.Cartwright to DET 12 for no gain (59-J.Peterson).
3-2-DET 12 (3:05) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short left to 82-A.Randle El to DET 4 for 8 yards (30-K.Simpson).
1-4-DET 4 (2:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 31-R.Cartwright for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN
continued..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-3-H.Smith.
WAS 14 DET 19 Plays: 8 Possession: 2:50
Detroit Lions at 02:36
6-S.Suisham kicks 72 yards from WAS 30 to DET -2. 86-D.Northcutt, Touchback.
1-10-DET 20 (2:36) 45-J.Felton right tackle to DET 21 for 1 yard (59-L.Fletcher).
Timeout 1 by WAS at 02:33.
2-9-DET 21 (2:33) 9-M.Stafford pass deep left to 89-W.Heller to DET 45 for 24 yards (98-B.Orakpo).
Timeout 2 by WAS at 02:21.
1-10-DET 45 (2:21) 21-A.Brown right end to DET 44 for -1 yards (96-C.Griffin; 93-P.Daniels).
Timeout #3 by WAS at 02:17.
2-11-DET 44 (2:17) 45-J.Felton left end to DET 45 for 1 yard (52-R.McIntosh).
Two-Minute Warning
3-10-DET 45 (2:00) 9-M.Stafford right end to DET 47 for 2 yards (93-P.Daniels, 59-L.Fletcher).
Timeout 1 by DET at 01:12.
4-8-DET 47 (1:12) 2-Nick.Harris punts 31 yards to WAS 22, Center-48-D.Muhlbach, out of bounds.
Washington Redskins at 01:05
1-10-WAS 22 (1:05) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 47-C.Cooley to WAS 37 for 15 yards (55-L.Foote).
1-10-WAS 37 (:44) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 46-L.Betts ran ob at WAS 48 for 11 yards (59-J.Peterson).
1-10-WAS 48 (:36) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass deep left to 89-S.Moss to DET 36 for 16 yards (57-J.Dizon).
1-10-DET 36 (:23) (No Huddle) 17-J.Campbell spiked the ball to stop the clock.
2-10-DET 36 (:21) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short middle to 47-C.Cooley.
3-10-DET 36 (:16) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short left to 47-C.Cooley (97-J.Hunter).
Timeout 2 by DET at 00:08.
4-10-DET 36 (:08) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 89-S.Moss to DET 30 for 6 yards. Lateral to 82-A.Randle El to DET 32 for -2 yards. Lateral to 46-L.Betts to DET 23 for 9 yards (55-L.Foote).
END GAME

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Well...here some good news for the moment:

Carolina scores a TD against Dallas just before the half

7-0

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | September 28, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 9:48 PM |

Dude - why you fussin about how the deck chairs are arranged?

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I was thinkin. When the Skins run the old wide left with Portis mebbe they should get the dude a walker to help him maintain his balance as he fights the centrifugal force of making a turn. Just thinkin.

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I was thinkin.

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:57 PM |

Don't do that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

tru...gasface..its just amazing when someone mentions how great JC's stats are..without digging deep to see when the completions and yardage is made.... Boswell did this better than me....showing his ranking near the bottom of all NFL QBs with over 900 completions.. 205 out of 210, I believe..??
++++++++++++++++
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 9:48 PM |

Dude - why you fussin about how the deck chairs are arranged?

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:51 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Saints undefeated and kickn as s.. Skins should keep an eye on this Gregg Williams guy..He could be great Head Coaching material..
+++++++++++++++++++


"Roars came from the Saints’ locker room Sunday night when the game ball was presented to the coordinator Gregg Williams, whose defense allowed no points by the Bills’ offense. We know the Saints now have a defense because in one day, Terrell Owens was transformed from good soldier into, well, Terrell Owens."

Somewhere far-off in a distant galaxy there is D. In fact, scientists studying it say it bears marked similarities to the D that a team in DC used to have. Imagine that!

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 9:47 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | September 28, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Ok guys...

We're rebuilding...name 5 players on the current roster you would keep to build around

Mine are:

Orakpo
Cooley
Kelly
Landry
Jarmon

Posted by: rickyroge | September 28, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Ok guys...

We're rebuilding...name 5 players on the current roster you would keep to build around

Mine are:

Orakpo
Cooley
Kelly
Landry
Jarmon

Posted by: rickyroge | September 28, 2009 10:11 PM |

Orakpo
Cooley
Jarmon
Smith
MacIntosh

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

We're rebuilding...name 5 players on the current roster you would keep to build around. Mine are:
Orakpo
Cooley
Kelly
Landry
Jarmon
Posted by: rickyroge
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OK, well I would trade all 5 of those guys to get Leigh Torrance back, so my 5 would like this:

1. Leigh Torrance
2. Will Montgomery
3. Todd Yoder
4. Justin Tryon
5. Marcus Washington (after re-signing him)

Posted by: isnadd | September 28, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I would keep Haynesworth too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

We're rebuilding...name 5 players on the current roster you would keep to build around. Mine are:
Orakpo
Cooley
Kelly
Landry
Jarmon
Posted by: rickyroge
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OK, well I would trade all 5 of those guys to get Leigh Torrance back, so my 5 would like this:

1. Leigh Torrance
2. Will Montgomery
3. Todd Yoder
4. Justin Tryon
5. Marcus Washington (after re-signing him)

Posted by: isnadd | September 28, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN: "Scouts Buzz: Giants' young WRs emerge". Imagine that! Young WRs emerging!

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN: "Scouts Buzz: Giants' young WRs emerge". Imagine that! Young WRs emerging!

Posted by: GasFace | September 28, 2009 10:16 PM |

We should never draft skill positions. We fail with them...no QB's and no WR.'s

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

the skins talent level is horrible. no talent + no coaches = redskins. portis must go next year. draft a stud rb with speed.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | September 28, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

the skins talent level is horrible. no talent + no coaches = redskins. portis must go next year. draft a stud rb with speed.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | September 28, 2009 10:22 PM |

Please draft all O line

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 28, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

We're rebuilding...name 5 players on the current roster you would keep to build around. Mine are:
Orakpo
Cooley
Kelly
Landry
Jarmon
Posted by: rickyroge
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1. Orakpo
2. Kelly
3. Mitchell
4. Cooley
5. Jarmon

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

"the skins talent level is horrible. no talent + no coaches = redskins. portis must go next year. draft a stud rb with speed."

No stud RB is going to have success if there is not an Offensive Line to run back. Our o-line is terrible on the right side. Defenses know exactly where we are going to run...every time.

I would focus my picks on a good RT and we need a new center. The jury is out on Rinehart hopefully he'll get it together.

Posted by: isnadd | September 28, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised to see the Cowgirls letting Carolina have their way with them.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 28, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Yes. We must build a dominant O line.

How much better would we be this year if our O line could plow the road and get those 1 yard TD runs in?

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo
Haynesworth ( contract )
Jarmon
Kelly
Horton
Cooley
Doughty
Marko
Landry ( by a thin margin- no heart )
Rocky
Campbell ( you guys will kill me on this one but as I stated earlier, be careful what you wish for )

Need more than 5 to have a core team

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 28, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Portis isn't going anywhere b/c of that contract.... interested to see if we do get a new GM and there is an "uncapped" year next year, what that would mean for BIG contracts. If we release a Portis like contract, would that hit us in the next Salary Cap year?

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | September 28, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I spoke too soon. DAL looks like it is coming back.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 28, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

CAR just seems to have collapsed.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 28, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"I would focus my picks on a good RT and we need a new center. The jury is out on Rinehart hopefully he'll get it together."

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I'd definitely keep an eye out for a good guard prospect. If they can improve over who we have, let's bring 'em in. Depth and competition is good.

Posted by: edvar | September 28, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the team doesn't just go out and score more points than the opponent.

Posted by: p1funk


I just suggested one; Give tha ball to Portis.

Now your turn..

Go Skins. Wouldn't mind saying Go Panthers-for tonight.

Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The Cowgirls have to be the luckiest team in the world.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 28, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I can imagine Tashard Choice having his way with the Deadskin offense later this year.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 28, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

What just happened to CAR? It's like they channeled the Redskins' spirit or something.

Posted by: jiacinto | September 28, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

F dallas and F gomer pile romo!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | September 28, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

I just suggested one; Give tha ball to Portis.
Posted by: Vicc | September 28, 2009 10:43 PM

You mean the guy with the 3.9 yds per carry average (would be 1.9 were it not for the fluke 34 yard run? You mean the guy who has only scored 2 touchdowns in 11 or 12 games? That guy? You must be drinking Port, 1 or 2 quart.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Portis isn't going anywhere b/c of that contract.... interested to see if we do get a new GM and there is an "uncapped" year next year, what that would mean for BIG contracts.

By the end of this season it won't matter. They will want to get rid of him so badly they will gladly accept the hit.

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Kenboy1,

I agree with your follow up whole heartedly. The Squire in relaying that to Gibbs gave him the undeniable support from the Owner to a coach that is critical to success. I don't think Zorn has that relationship from Snyder.

And the Squire was above board with his wishes about the Team and it was unmistakable, even though he ceded control to both Bethard and Gibbs, that he was in charge.

I don't like the way Snyder controls this Team like deep throat and you are 100% correct that a good Football GM is sorely needed.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 28, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is a play idea since the Skins seem to be a bit obvious and favouring the left. Especially if the D-line is attacking the right aggressively. Run off Center with the left blocking normal but the right gives ground almost like pass blocking. As long as the right side keep the defender to their right shoulder a whole opens (somewhat laterally) but aimed right. Could be extra effective if the LBs or backfield is cheating to their right. Kind of Judo, use their weight against them. Hopefully their (Rhino and Heyer's) left foot are forward in grapling but giving ground. Could even be a designed cut-back where the RB starts left.

Would it be too much to expand... fake hand off direct to Sellers, off center where your running. Campbell spins and pitches wide to Portis. Portis chooses to take off wide left or cut back and follow Sellers who chips on Rabach's man and works down on a LB? Double fake or option? Seems like the skins LBs got caught in a bunch by a TE? on something like it when Carter ran the wide pitch run down from behind. Good thing too as our LBs were taking lanes for a 80 yd run.

Posted by: chavez66 | September 28, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

And most of their prized youngsters will still be playing on their cheaper, rookie contracts for quite a good time, unlike an owner of a football team that pays too much money to people don't perform.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 28, 2009

Rizzo's Natinals will kick der azzes you read it here first!

Posted by: periculum | September 28, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I watched the opening quarter again. On the SECOND Detroit possession, the 99 yard drive, Golston replaced "The $100 million dollar man" for the opening part of the drive.

Important? Maybe. Albert was out during a critical 3rd and 1 call early in the drive, and Golston was blown back a yard or two and the first down made. From there, Detroit continued it's soul-sapping 99 yard drive.

I don't doubt Albert's guts, I worry about his gut, Was he "gassed" on a second series inside a dome?

Posted by: TheCork | September 28, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I really think JC is having a good year but has no time to throw the ball. The pocket collapses quicker than I have ever seen. He is a lame duck in the pocket. I have never seen the hole close faster for Portis than this year. The line is not holding there blocks but Portis is not breaking any tackles either. The Defense is worse that the offense this year and that's not saying much. JC made good throws yesterday in a tight pocket but our defense is trying to make big plays ever down and is not sticking to staying in there gaps. Zorn is passing to run the ball and in the NFL it does not work. I cannot stand the shot gun hand off every second down. We pass every first down then run every second. We are behind the 8 ball in our play calling every down. The seasons not over but could be. I give them 2 games to rebound to gain momentum. They started 6 and 2 last year then went 2 and 6. That means we are 3 and 8 counting last season. Can the Skins win the next 3 gms and be 4 and 2. It starts with disciple in all aspects of the game plan, the players and the coaches. Then we can see then if Zorn is a lame duck coach. I think our defense was over hyped going into the season and has something to prove.

Posted by: tjzukoski | September 28, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

FROM JOHN CORCORAN's Column "Washington Gives Detroit Anotehr Big Bailout" on NFLDraftdog.com:

"RB Clinton Portis: Has gone from great to average. His close connection to the owner undercuts the coach’s power. He’s too expensive to cut. And there’s nobody ready to replace him. The National Guard, CIA and FBI have joined the search for his missing Burst."

LINK AT:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

Posted by: TheCork | September 28, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Since we only throw once in a blue moon inside the 20...I'd like to see all RB's get their shot at the goal line. Portis, then Betts, then Cartwright, then Mason, then Aldridge. See who makes it to the goal line. Heck...whoever gets 5 yards. Somebody is hungry. Put him in there and let him get a TD. Love Portis, own his jersey but Portis at 80% is ineffective in the NFL. This game is too fast and too harsh. I watched the backup RB's for Dallas, (Jones and Choice), throwing jukes ...straight ankle breakers at the Panthers tonight.

Dallas' backup RB's have more gas, jukes and moves than our first stringers...at least right now. Let Portis and Betts rest their legs. Save them for the heavy hitting part of our season. The second half...when you need tough legs. Late November, and December. Let these rookies see the field Zorn.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | September 28, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Well week three was a total bust:

- Skins post one of the worst losses ever

- 0-3 in fantasy

- wet the bed on my pool picks

- Cowboys win MNF

- Wife pissed at my amount of FB watching before October 1st.

Positive: Hockey season! Rock the Red!

Posted by: chrislarry | September 29, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cork, any updates on that Vinny Cerrato, 'Exec of the Year' column thing?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

NFL Draft Dog article says it all:

"Snyder’s ship is headed full steam at the shoals with no firm hand at the wheel."

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This will be my last post.

It's been nice blogging with you all up here.


Farewell,

Chia Pet

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 29, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Take it easy, hamsters.

HTTR and HTTB

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 29, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Chia, what gives?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | September 29, 2009 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Skins will roll this week. Zorn cannot afford another blunder loss (good thing it is a home game). I'm sorry, but you do not run that that type play from the 36 yd line against a prevent defense. I would rather have taken my chances getting an inteference call (at worst) in the end zone to get an extra play. You have to give yourself a chance to win. I cannot believe that Mr. Playbook (Zorn) did not have a better play for that situation....oh wait, I forgot about weeks 1 & 2, nevermind!

Posted by: jenksredskins | September 29, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Skins will roll this week. Zorn cannot afford another blunder loss (good thing it is a home game). I'm sorry, but you do not run that that type play from the 36 yd line against a prevent defense. I would rather have taken my chances getting an inteference call (at worst) in the end zone to get an extra play. You have to give yourself a chance to win. I cannot believe that Mr. Playbook (Zorn) did not have a better play for that situation....oh wait, I forgot about weeks 1 & 2, nevermind!

Posted by: jenksredskins

I always wonder why teams don't throw an out pattern underneath with 8 seconds left. Line up for the Hail Mary, every defense puts like 5 guys into the end zone. Have one guy turn out about 10 yards downfield. Throw it to the sideline, if he catches it, you get 10 yards closer. if its incomplete, you've still got 1 play. A 10 yard out takes about 4-6 seconds. Its a near zero risk play.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 29, 2009 3:39 AM | Report abuse

From PFT:

Portis battling injuries as Redskins run game stalls
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 28, 2009 9:26 PM ET
One of the most surprising aspects of Washington's loss to Detroit was Redskins coach Jim Zorn's gameplan.

Zorn decided to attack Detroit aggressively through the air, almost ignoring the running game early. In the first half, the Redskins had zero rushing yards on only five attempts.

The entire Washington offense improved in the second half, and Clinton Portis finished with 42 yards on 12 attempts. But Zorn's lack of attempts early could be a telling sign that he's not confident in his offensive line and running back, who put together a top-ten rushing attack last year.

Washington's line appears to be getting old all at once, and has failed to push the pile in key short-yardage situations.

Portis may also be starting to show his age after a heavy workload in the first half of last season. (He had a steep decline late last season.) Portis was questionable on the injury report for Detroit with an ankle injury, and was unavailable for two drives in the fourth quarter because he got kicked in the calf.

Portis refrained from speaking to the media after the loss, but it's clear the Washington running game is showing signs of attrition.

After averaging 105 yards from scrimmage per game during 2007-2008, Portis is averaging 69 yards per game this season.

The Redskins have the time and talent to improve -- the next three games are not difficult -- but there are many reasons to believe the best days for their running game are in the past.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 29, 2009 5:57 AM | Report abuse

What do you think is really the case with the O-line?

I think it is the blocking schemes, a hurt up running back and bad play calling.

I just cannot go along with the idea that lineman themselves is the reason for their ineptitude.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | September 29, 2009 6:12 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 29, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Well"" As strange as this might sound. I think Joe T. (on his raido show) might have an answer for the running game and the offence. Joe said that back in the day, the players knew there roles. He said they did not have that many packages to apease the various players they had. He said that Riggins played 1st, 2nd down. Joe Washington played 3rd. Use the tight ends on 2nd, 3rd downs. I thought about what Joe said and I thought that maybe Zorn needs to go back and look at Joe Gibs old play books (the first stint) to see what he did in the red zone. Use those plays. We know they work, so the players have no excuses. Use the some of the old formations Gibbs used and re-invent what works. Simple. Maybe, maybe not. If Zorn has proven plays, the failure then come squarly on the players, and by that the GM, Owner are also responsible. If the plays are tested and true, but the players dont carry them out"" Guess its time to get new players. We need to have vetern football people in the front office to get us the right players.

Posted by: awebb004 | September 29, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Well"" As strange as this might sound. I think Joe T. (on his raido show) might have an answer for the running game and the offence. Joe said that back in the day, the players knew there roles. He said they did not have that many packages to apease the various players they had. He said that Riggins played 1st, 2nd down. Joe Washington played 3rd. Use the tight ends on 2nd, 3rd downs. I thought about what Joe said and I thought that maybe Zorn needs to go back and look at Joe Gibs old play books (the first stint) to see what he did in the red zone. Use those plays. We know they work, so the players have no excuses. Use the some of the old formations Gibbs used and re-invent what works. Simple. Maybe, maybe not. If Zorn has proven plays, the failure then come squarly on the players, and by that the GM, Owner are also responsible. If the plays are tested and true, but the players dont carry them out"" Guess its time to get new players. We need to have vetern football people in the front office to get us the right players.

Posted by: awebb004 | September 29, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Fullback. You're right abut Sellers though. Cooley and Moss have been to the Pro Bowl as well as Portis. Next excuse?

Posted by: Realness1 | September 28, 2009 7:40 PM

Moss and Randle El also drop a LOT of easy catches. Sh!t there were two dropped touchdowns in the rams game alone.

Posted by: ecale25 | September 29, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinny_Cerrato

"Cerrato is considered by many to be one of the most inept general managers in the NFL."...............

"Cerrato is considered by some fans to be a major reason that the Redskins' franchise has fallen apart.".........

"........He also had a role in the movie, "Kindergarten Ninja"

He ruins movies too???

Posted by: BenThere | September 29, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Quit picking on Portis. He's the league's most talented running back on paper.

Posted by: loux24 | September 29, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

BOO pabrian2003! Whazzat Portis stats are more important than winning!? Tell your hero he should've caught that TD pass instead of Cartwright. Does he do that? NO. CUT PORTIS NOW.

Posted by: periculum

CP is a cancer, remove it NOW! How worst can cartright, mason, alridge be? We all have seen what cp brings to the table, a waste of a play. CP=twinkle toes

Posted by: bhoang888 | September 29, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

rodney harrison on the nbc football show is nothing but a negro-as-hole he is their to criticize mostly black player's in the league. He was one BIG cheap-shot artist in the nfl when he played and drug user. whites who control the MEDIA will bring out a negro and put him/her on the tell-lies-visually like an attack dog and he is idiotic enough to accept that role. tony dungy told it like it is as far as the washington so-called team concerned,the big problem starts at the TOP of the dis-organization.

Posted by: wathu19 | September 29, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Followed this team for a long, long time and this is, as others have noted, one of the lowest lows I've seen. Losing to the Lions is just plain unbelievable. But there are issues beyond just losing to the Lions.

1. We have key players on all 3 units who wouldn't start for any other team in this league.

On offense, Campbell, Samuels, Rabach, Dockery, Rhinehart, Heyer, Randle El, Kelly would come off the bench for other teams, if they made the roster at all. Santana, as has constantly been noted, is a #2 masquerading as a #1. When you gameplan for him, you neutralize him. A true #1 (Fitzgerald, for instance, will get his no matter what).

On defense, I just don't know what on earth is going on. The team drafts one of the best pash-rusing DEs and plays him at outside linebacker? Chasing RBs and TEs? Idiocy! Lunacy! Stupidity! And nobody on that defensive line starts for any other team except Haynesworth.

On special teams, Hunter Smith is the real deal, but Rock wouldn't be returning kicks for anybody else in this league. How much interest did he generate when the team let him - and his ego - sniff the free agent market a year or so ago? None. There's a reason. And Suisham is just a disaster waiting to happen. Again. That Seattle playoff game still sits fresh in my mind.

Bring in a bona fide GM and let him start handing out pink slips.

Posted by: Carl739 | September 29, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise will be our next GM.

Posted by: Fontana1 | September 29, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

The stories about the whereabouts of Snyder's plane are irrelevant. It doesn't matter who is brought in as coach. The dysfunction at the top will ensure that the team will continue to flounder. Therefore, the only interesting story concerning Snyder's plane is if it gets shot down or hijacked.

Posted by: randysbailin | September 29, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Portis is nearing the end.

At 28, he has had more carries the past 6 years than any other back except Tomlinson and you can see what shape LaDainian is in these days.

The problem for the Redskins is that Portis' backup are either older than he is (Betts and Cartwright) or simply lack NFL talent (Mason, Alridge).

The view I heard expressed yesterday that Alridge could fit the Felix Jones role here in DC is laughable.

Jones is a legit NFL running back.

Alridge is a 180 pound flyweight who has one asset, speed.

Posted by: leopard09 | September 29, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Portis is an absolute ghetto overpaid back, who DOES NOT practice, rips his coach, acts like a 14 year-old, CANNOT complete a full sentence in regular English, and is getting old. The way to get these lazy overpaid idiots to actually care and play football is to bench Portis and Campbell and let someone else play, prediction Tampa 24 Redskins 17, 1-3 here we come.

Posted by: GatorsnSkins | September 29, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Did he get kicked in the calf after he fell at the 3 yard line on forth and goal.

Posted by: timchadwick | September 29, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Blow it up and start over.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins

We do that every two to three seasons, it does not work.


Portis is an absolute ghetto overpaid back, who DOES NOT practice, rips his coach, acts like a 14 year-old, CANNOT complete a full sentence in regular English, and is getting old. The way to get these lazy overpaid idiots to actually care and play football is to bench Portis and Campbell and let someone else play, prediction Tampa 24 Redskins 17, 1-3 here we come.

GatorsnSkins you are an overpaid hater who is from the redneck state but has a job in the metro area and is a typical, i am loyal as long as they win fickle fan. You are not a skins fan, you are a gators fan. Stick with the gators, they win more and thus you are loyal to them. PS, hope Teebow breaks his leg.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 29, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

randysbailin

The skins will not win until they let the football guys make the decisions for the team. Now when I say football guys, I mean the coach and GM. Vinny can be a good GM if he stops working with Snyder and starts working with the coach. You know as much pride as Zorn has in his ability as a QB coach that it was not his idea to start searching for a new QB when he has one he is working with and another young one who has just as good a chance at being a good QB as anyone he could have drafted at the moment. That means those decisions were not made by GM and coach but GM and owner. That basically sent a message to both JC, Colt, and Zorn that they are not really in the plans for management and are basically on a short leash. The skins are not playing to win, they are playing not to lose, both the games and their jobs. Never thought they should have made Zorn the coach due to his experience to coach a team with so much pressure to win on it but once he was hired snyder should have given him more public support. Trying to draft a QB says that he does not believe in his own coach or QB's he has.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 29, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Believe this, If mark sanchez ends up having a good year you will never get snyder hands out of personnel decisions because he will be truly convinced that he knows how to evaluate talent.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 29, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok, lets bench JC. Not sure what to do if Collins does not produce but at least it will silence fans or critics of JC one way or another. We will then know if he is what is holding them back.

Posted by: ged0386 | September 29, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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