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Portis suffers setback, running back situation for Eagles game is still unclear

By Jason Reid

The Redskins' running back situation remained unclear Thursday as Clinton Portis (severe groin tear) suffered a setback while Ryan Torain (hamstring) participated in practice at Redskins Park.

Sidelined since suffering a third-degree tear in Week 4 against Philadelphia, Portis sat out most of practice and got only "a few reps in there," Coach Mike Shanahan said. The nine-year veteran has said he hopes to return to the lineup Monday night against the Eagles at FedEx Field, but Shanahan said Portis may have set himself back a little with his workload in practice this week and "was a little bit sore today."

Outside linebacker Brian Orakpo (back soreness) sat out practice, Shanahan said. Strong safety LaRon Landry (Achilles') was limited.

After Portis's injury was diagnosed, Shanahan said the team expected Portis to be sidelined four to six weeks. As of Sunday, Portis will have been sidelined six weeks.

Portis, however, has experienced swelling and soreness in his groin area while practicing this week, and "it kind of scares me," Shanahan said. "Normally, when you come off of this injury, your first week of practice, when you're trying to get back in football shape, and you feel good and it gets sore the next day, that's exactly what's happened.

"He had a good day yesterday and [he's] a little bit sore today. Didn't want to over push it, but we've got a few more days to practice and see how he feels. There's a chance. We'll just monitor it day by day."

Torain sat out the second half of the 37-25 loss to Detroit in Week 8. If Torain and Portis both sit out against the Eagles, former undrafted rookie free agent Keiland Williams is expected to start. Chad Simpson, who primarily contributes on special teams, also could have a role in the backfield and James Davis, recently signed to the practice squad, could be promoted to the active 53-man roster.

Determining whether Toran and Portis would be able to contribute against Philadelphia, at least in part, would be based on Shanahan's "gut feel" about whether they are in "football shape" and are capable of playing an entire game. Shanahan said. "Or are they going in for five or 10 plays and be out?" he said. "With a 45-man squad [excluding inactive players for games], it really hurts you if a guy just goes in there temporarily and can't play more than a few plays. You got to get a good feel."

Shanahan declined to reveal who would start if Torain and Portis are among the active players against Philadelphia. "That's part of the evaluation. You can't say who's your best running back," Shanahan said. "We got two guys that we know can play. Right now, both guys are unhealthy.

"If they were healthy, I can answer that question. But they aren't healthy, so we'll evaluate it during the week. If they're both healthy, if they are healthy next week, then I'll give you the answer to that question."

By Jason Reid  | November 11, 2010; 4:18 PM ET
 
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Comments

We've got two guys that can but neither of them can play. I can tell you who would play if they were healthy but they're unhealthy so i can't tell who will play and healthy unhealhty healthy unhealthy play play can't play anymore questions?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

not the best news we could have hoped for....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 11, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I figure we may see him for about three plays -- before he taps himself out, and hobbles back to the sidelines with some sort of mysterious injury.

Dude is known as a "gamer" -- but these days the play from Portis involves more mind games than football games.

Sort of like last season, when he inexplicably dived into a mound of opposing players -- and without so much as a bump to the noggin, suffered his season-ending "concussion."

See ya!

Posted by: Vic1 | November 11, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis sits another week. Torain gives it a go and we roll RT, KW and James "Buster" Davis. There, now it's clear except for who they cut to bring up Davis. My guess would be Simpson.

Starship 7 gets knocked out again and we win 17-13.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

anyone have marcus mason's phone number??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 11, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Not a setback, and also why wouldn't you comment on Ryan Torain's participation in practice--taking a few less reps in practice because your a little sore isn't a setback.

Posted by: fejron2000 | November 11, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Portis and Gilbert Arena are the same....Ovepaid underachievers.

Posted by: mofares | November 11, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Sort of like last season, when he inexplicably dived into a mound of opposing players -- and without so much as a bump to the noggin, suffered his season-ending "concussion."

See ya!

Posted by: Vic1 | November 11, 2010 4:44 PM

I think you're not remembering correctly. He got hit, simultaneously, on either side of his helmet. It was crushing. I'm not the biggest of CP fans, but that injury was legit and I was glad he sat out the rest of the season for long term health reasons.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 11, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Portis and Gilbert Arena are the same....Ovepaid underachievers.

Posted by: mofares | November 11, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse
_______

I suppose you don't remember that season after season, year after year, Portis was the entire offense for this team. He may be getting a little long in the tooth now, and he may say some strange stuff, but he's hardly an underachiever.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | November 11, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Is Tatum Bell available? Ron Dayne? LJ or Fast Willie?

Posted by: coparker5 | November 11, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Where did you hear Portis set himself back???? In the press conference Shanahan says "I don't think he set himself back." Are you mishearing and reporting incorrectly??

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | November 11, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse


make it stop

Posted by: hessone | November 11, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone suggested earlier that they should put Dockery in at fullback for blocking purposes. Maybe they could give him a few carries as well.

Posted by: NYPDee | November 11, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I think you're not remembering correctly. He got hit, simultaneously, on either side of his helmet. It was crushing. I'm not the biggest of CP fans, but that injury was legit and I was glad he sat out the rest of the season for long term health reasons.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 11, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Yes, your're probably right. I think I may have recalled the wrong play.

Will withdraw my earlier statement, with apologies to anyone who might have been offended.

It's just getting so hard to sort out the fact from fiction in the team injury reports... not that there's anything wrong with that, we're told.

And of course, Clinton has always been totally legit and above board... with the injury reports, and everything else. A fine upstanding character indeed...

Posted by: Vic1 | November 11, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Someone suggested earlier that they should put Dockery in at fullback for blocking purposes. Maybe they could give him a few carries as well.

Posted by: NYPDee

twas me ... not sure about the carries, though

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse


Someone suggested earlier that they should put Dockery in at fullback for blocking purposes. Maybe they could give him a few carries as well.

Posted by: NYPDee

twas me ... not sure about the carries, though

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 5:30 PM
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It would be hilarious, though.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 11, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone suggested earlier that they should put Dockery in at fullback for blocking purposes. Maybe they could give him a few carries as well.

Posted by: NYPDee

twas me ... not sure about the carries, though

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 5:30 PM
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It would be hilarious, though.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

in a swinging gate kinda way?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Again, where in his press conference does Shanahan say that Portis suffered a setback????? Go listen to it again on Redskins.com. Shanahan says "I don't think he set himself back," referring to today's practice.
How can such irresponsible reporting be going on at the Washington Post? Oh wait, nevermind.
Reid can your act together!!

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | November 11, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

in a swinging gate kinda way?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 5:45 PM

Yes, I thought you were joking.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Again, where in his press conference does Shanahan say that Portis suffered a setback????? Go listen to it again on Redskins.com. Shanahan says "I don't think he set himself back," referring to today's practice.
How can such irresponsible reporting be going on at the Washington Post? Oh wait, nevermind.
Reid get (oops typo in last post) your act together!!

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk | November 11, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RiggoisDrunk

This just in: "Entire offense suffers a setback due to darkness."

I think Thursday is the day that Reid gets paid per post.

Posted by: NYPDee | November 11, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

It would be hilarious, though.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

in a swinging gate kinda way?

Posted by: zcezcest1

In a Pete Kendall kind of way.

Zeke, did you take notice of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan's relief effort in dropping Spam upon stranded Carnival cruise passengers? It must have been like a little Haiti on board with cold showers and warm pina coladas. The horror.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Portis is proven to be outstanding. Torain has proven to be less than average so far.

Effin player haters. Have you noticed how good our O has been lately?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, you're blinded by hate for one of our only good players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Wise and Wilbon have a clue. The rest of you like the song says Don't know Your A*s From a Hole In the Ground.

Have Shanie and Son ever had An African American starting QB?

Daddy hasn't ever. Not sure about the inbred. You didn't know Shanie married his first cousin.

If you QB gets hit on 80%+ of the passing plays you have a problem.

They would have done better this season with Zorn and JC.

Posted by: sheepherder | November 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, you're blinded by hate for one of our only good players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, you're blinded by hate for one of our only good players

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:04 PM

You've just been called blind by Helen Keller and Ray Charles' lovechild.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 11, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Re: setback. Reid's a big time player hater that's the explanation. He knows the commenters feature a bunch of haters too.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

pabs

I hate no one, even you. Only thing that disgusts me is that for two years running now -- the Redskins have played with a 52 man roster, while everyone else gets to play with 53. Dude should do the honorable thing and hang it up already.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 11, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Coleman51, your an effin hater. I'm not wasted off snyders kool aid BS with Shan-a-cool & son, so I'm blind?

Have you seen our last 3 games an the Raiders last 3? Who's blind?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Vic1, you are a player hater, even in the last 3 years Portis has been our best RB.

If you want to get upset it should be directed at the FO for never drafting a quality RB to share the load an develop.

Vinny didn't and shanny didn't. Every other effin team has drafted an RB in the first 2 rounds in the last 5 years.

Why were LJ and WP in camp? To win the off season. Why New Soup? Offseason champs. ADDY

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, we can blame the front office too -- but we can't fail to observe that the little Dude was fully complicit in this too -- what with his habit sharing insights, observations, cigars and jacuzzi time with the Little Dandy, Vinny-boy of their roving band of towel boys and psycho-phants.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 11, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Hard to blame the FO for draft choices when they trade away all their picks every year for over the hill rejects from other teams.

Posted by: misteripi | November 11, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Some of you have got to be kidding me...

Vinny Cerrato left Shanahan a team full of holes and little talent.

Can any of you name one player on offense we could get a third round pick or higher for? We're 4-4, with an improving defense and still in the NFC DIVISION RACE!!! We are not as good as the Giants or Eagles, but somehow we are in games. I'm giving Shanahan and Co. some credit. He botched the McNabb thing, but I'm willing to be patient.

Don't you all remember Vinny Cerrato, Jim Zorn, Steve Spurrier, Mark Brunell, T.J. Duckett, Adam Archuleta...

C'mon people...Relax and give them some time.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 11, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Addy was supposed to be SSDY

no I won't blame portis it isn't his job to bring in another quality RB. His job is to play and he's done that with the most consistency of anyone on offense (cooley too). Moss has some inconsistency IMO.

Portis is one of the few redskins O players that ha done his job

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, shanny was handed a top 10 D with a dominant D linemAn, he then created holes and devalued some of his talented players by switching to a 3-4.

He also has an owner that will buy any FA, the #4 pick, 4-12 expectations, and got to hire his son.

Shanny failed to sure up the line, the rb Corp, and the wr Corp.

Shannys poorly utilized Haynesworth and Carter. Benched Dock for lichey, cut DT, benched mcNabb, had to cut a punter, wasted all our time with LJ and WP.

He's not a rookie coach there's no excuse for this Level of disarray.

If we make the playoffs I'll eat my words

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I love this team! That being said, They will get beat by Philly because of the O-Line! Book it!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | November 11, 2010 6:53 PM | Report abuse

It would be hilarious, though.

Posted by: RedSkinHead

in a swinging gate kinda way?

Posted by: zcezcest1

In a Pete Kendall kind of way.

Zeke, did you take notice of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan's relief effort in dropping Spam upon stranded Carnival cruise passengers? It must have been like a little Haiti on board with cold showers and warm pina coladas. The horror.

Posted by: SMACK1

I did notice!! I laughed, I cried ... will there be a sequel?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

CUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well past his prime. And wasting funds that could be used on a real football player now.

Posted by: donelisteningtocrap | November 11, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

CUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well past his prime. Wasting funds that could be used on a real football player now.

Posted by: donelisteningtocrap | November 11, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

CUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well past his prime. Wasting funds that could be used on a real football player now.

Posted by: donelisteningtocrap | November 11, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

CUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well past his prime. Wasting funds that could be used on a real football player now.

Posted by: donelisteningtocrap | November 11, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

BTW,F-Dallas!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | November 11, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

in a swinging gate kinda way?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 5:45 PM

Yes, I thought you were joking.

Posted by: Diesel44

I'm fine with taking a guy we pay a big chunk of $$ and gving him something useful to do. Dockery as a FB? Why not. Bill Walsh used to put one of his guards, Guy McIntyre, in the backfield a good bit.

Clearly what we are doing to protect Donovan isn't working that well. I've always liked the idea of having a guy who is big enough to deal with a lineman near the QB.

And on run plays, he'd be another guy who could knock someone backwards.

Let's face it, the downside is he isn't the pass catching/running threat that Mike Sellers is. Is that much of a downside?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

zeke-

No chance. Doc's problem is his athleticism. If you're looking for a goal line and short yardage FB then the guy you're looking for is known as the one man gang. He would be devastating.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, did you take notice of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan's relief effort in dropping Spam upon stranded Carnival cruise passengers? It must have been like a little Haiti on board with cold showers and warm pina coladas. The horror.

Posted by: SMACK1

I did notice!! I laughed, I cried ... will there be a sequel?

Posted by: zcezcest1

Inevitably there will be. Next time let's toss in a Norovirus or two. 3300 people got on a Carnival ship and headed to Mexico? Seriously?

My wife and I went on the Destiny once, and even with everything functioning properly, by the fifth night the ship was a Shrine to the Bodily Fluids.

If you do go, stay out of the hot tub.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Inevitably there will be. Next time let's toss in a Norovirus or two. 3300 people got on a Carnival ship and headed to Mexico? Seriously?

My wife and I went on the Destiny once, and even with everything functioning properly, by the fifth night the ship was a Shrine to the Bodily Fluids.

If you do go, stay out of the hot tub.

Posted by: SMACK1

As you might know, when I take a boat, I pay the economy fare. Sometimes, the service is an issue.

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

(and yes, those ARE my legs)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Ricky, shanny was handed a top 10 D with a dominant D linemAn, he then created holes and devalued some of his talented players by switching to a 3-4.

He also has an owner that will buy any FA, the #4 pick, 4-12 expectations, and got to hire his son.

Shanny failed to sure up the line, the rb Corp, and the wr Corp.

Shannys poorly utilized Haynesworth and Carter. Benched Dock for lichey, cut DT, benched mcNabb, had to cut a punter, wasted all our time with LJ and WP.

He's not a rookie coach there's no excuse for this Level of disarray.

If we make the playoffs I'll eat my words

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 11, 2010 6:44 PM@pabrian20003

i know you hate shanahan, but...

transition to the 3-4 is coming along. landry is finally being used correctly, carter is fitting in nicely at de, and the defense is giving up yards, but not points.

the fact that the redskins did not overpay in free agency is a welcome change, trent williams still seems deserving of the #4 pick, and working with one of the up and coming offensive coordinators is even sweeter when it is your son.

with so many needs, shanahan could not address all of them in one off-season, but anthony armstrong looks like a keeper, as do brandon banks and ryan torain. jammal brown has been slow to heal from his injury, but still a good long term solution if health permits.

haynesworth is, as carter, being properly utilized now, after both failed to take advantage of their opportunities to become every down players.

benched dock for lichey... and your point is, what?

ditto for cutting dt. is he still a panther? maybe we should bring back marko.

had to cut a punter. uhh, yeah, his hip prevented him from punting.

wasted time with lj and wp? they got a look, and then they were gone.

did i mention the upgrade at qb? about the only thing we agree on is that mcnabb should not have been benched... and that portis is very underappreciated.

Posted by: zatoichi77 | November 11, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Active Running backs on monday will be Torain, Davis & Simpson

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 11, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

It's not like 'Skins have some young stud RB waiting in the wings, but gotta think CP26 is gone after this season regardless ... Nothing against him but he's just got too much milage ,has taken too much punishment (he's hitting that classic 30yr old RB breakdown) , he just can't stay on the field anymore ... Time to hang 'em up, have a good life CP ...

Posted by: RoidRage | November 11, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

i guess riggins' redskins rushing record is safe.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 11, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

pabrian...my man...are you kidding me???

...this was a 4-12 team with a top 10 defense...

you're ready to bail on Shanny after 8 games?

C'mon Man! (in Chris Carter's voice)

Posted by: rickyroge | November 11, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

(and yes, those ARE my legs)

Posted by: zcezcest1

Dang. You're lucky you didn't get Clinton Portised on the play.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Riggo, i heard the same thing. Did J Reid post otherwise? I tend not to read them these days.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | November 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

http://www.pbase.com/faerie_39/image/101671809

(and yes, those ARE my legs)

Posted by: zcezcest1

Dang. You're lucky you didn't get Clinton Portised on the play.

Posted by: SMACK1

I gained about 15 yards while I was underwater, but didn't miss any playing time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Let's put this "handed a top 10 D" thing to rest. It's a lazy & uneducated argument.

2010
YDs allowed/game: 393.2 (31st)
Pts allowed/game: 21 (17th) includes McNabb throwing TDs to the other team
3rd down %: 32% (2nd)
Turnover: INTs (10th) Fumbles Rec (1st) 2 TDs

2009
YDs allowed/game: 319.7 (10th)
Pts allowed/game: 21 (18th)
3rd down %: 40% (25th)
Turnovers: INTs (25th) Fumbles Rec. (31st) TDs 0

YDs allowed doesn’t mean dick. It's about PTs allowed, TOs, and getting the other team off the field on 3rd down. The problem with the D is McNabb and the OL. McNabb and Co. have the 2nd worst 3rd conversion since the NFL started tracking conversions.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

The NFL network has the worst announcers in the history of the National Football League.

Bob Pappa- monotone and boring
Joey T- Pains me to say it but how does he have a job?
Matt Millen- This guys post football career is a question for the ages.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I've been to Hollywood
I've been to Redwood
I crossed the ocean
for a heart of gold
I've been in my mind,
it's such a fine line
That keeps me searching
for a heart of gold.

Posted by: AceOfCapes | November 11, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

I've been to Hollywood
I've been to Redwood
I crossed the ocean
for a heart of gold
I've been in my mind,
it's such a fine line
That keeps me searching
for a heart of gold.

Posted by: AceOfCapes | November 11, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The NFL network has the worst announcers in the history of the National Football League.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Theisman and Millen make the broadcast literally unwatchable for me. Whoever is choosing the talent at NFLN should be given his or her unconditional release.

I'm serious, I can't watch this anymore and I'm a football junkie.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 11, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

McNabb and Co. have the 2nd worst 3rd conversion since the NFL started tracking conversions.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 9:23 PM |

Do the Cardinals have a good conversion rate? Them Catholics are good at getting conversions out of heathen hordes.

Posted by: AceOfCapes | November 11, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I crossed the ocean
Where no one could see
And I put a time-bomb
In your submarine
Goodbye to old friends
The secret's in hand
With phony note papers
And counterfeit plans
You never will understand

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm serious, I can't watch this anymore and I'm a football junkie.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 11, 2010 9:34 PM |

Dude - there's something called the mute button on your remote. You should check it out.

Posted by: AceOfCapes | November 11, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Do the Cardinals have a good conversion rate? Them Catholics are good at getting conversions out of heathen hordes.

Posted by: AceOfCapes | November 11, 2010 9:36 PM

That's pretty good. The only stats I'm sure they lead the world in is illegal use of the hands, personal fouls, encroachment, and helmet to helmet contact.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Roger Goodell should fine teams that make Thursday Night Football boring. It's the logical next step.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Prior to that TD by the Ravens to make the score 13-7. Joey T said that the Ravens had gone 6 straight drives w/o a TD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

2 minutes left, down 6. What, the Ravens are going with Flacco? Aren't you supposed to put in the backup QB now?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

2 minutes left, down 6. What, the Ravens are going with Flacco? Aren't you supposed to put in the backup QB now?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 11:18 PM

Funny, except I'd take both Flacco and Ryan over McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess Flacco has good cardiovascular fitness.

Posted by: kaasmaster | November 11, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't agree at all re: announcers. I think B. Poppa is one of the best play by play guys working, is a good host on NFL Sirius radio and it great doing boxing at the Olympics. If you hate on Joey T, I got mad hate for you, and Millen was always a top flight color guy, and should have stayed one and he would have been Madden's heir apparent...a huge upgrade over blowhard collingsworth.

So he failed at being a GM, that was more on Ford family for hiring him and then staying with him long after it was a failed experiment. Doesnt mean he doesnt know football. I like this booth, especially considering the suckitude of most booths...I mean Aikmen and Joe Buck? Dan Diedorf still in a booth? Jaws?

Different strokes and all that but yeah, mute button.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Hate seeing Ravens prevail, but Atlanta loss is best for Skins playoff picture (playoffs?!?! screetch)

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Ravens D=over rated

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

So much for a boring game.

cl- to each is own.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

wow, suck it "Ravens D"...your offense hands you victory and you do that?!?! Roddy White, some dropsies aside, is beast.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Hate seeing Ravens prevail, but Atlanta loss is best for Skins playoff picture (playoffs?!?! screetch)

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:31 PM

Not so fast my friend

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

what, the coaches didn't pull Flacco or Ryan in the last 2 minutes? They must not be geniuses

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

yeah I cursed it...

Love the heart monitor stuff, love atlanta's coach...60% of all games won in 4th, details about your team is crucial...figure you'll be in games...better condition team will win...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:40 PM | Report abuse

I am pro-shanny/mcnabb... rah rah rah six boom bah...but late at night i'll admit it sure would be nifty to have a youngish head coach in the process of earning his genius tag and a young fast learning stud QB....

OK back to kool aid guzzling...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

nice of the refs to swallow the whistle on Roddy White

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 11, 2010 11:49 PM | Report abuse

i think we are gonna beat the hell out those eagles they are not playing as great as most ppl think they barly beat a heavily injured colts tema that we injured and almost beat had McNabb stepped up, they got stomped by a injured up Titans team, we should have beat the lions but gave them that win and punk rex grossman sealed it by playing scared!! i think we come out swinging and embarrass the eagles and hurt vick on monday gbirds-13 Skins-30!! HTTR!!

Posted by: warriorking1112 | November 12, 2010 1:32 AM | Report abuse

jason "jesus" campbell will prove his worthlessness this week and show that we ripped the lmao raiders off!!! oh wait nevermind i forgot jason campbell is a future hof'er the best black qb in football who even without a run game and help from the wr's not dropping balls and making plays off his 5 yard passes can win games by him self!! he is so much better than McNabb who is the biggest 1st round flop in eagles history lmao lmao jason campbell is a joke he was one of the biggest wastes of a 1st rd pick in recent Redskins history dude should have been takin in the 6th round def not the 1st! he is really pathetic when you consider a All-Pro Qb capable of winning a playoff game and maybe the Super Bowl went ahead of him by one pick! GOD I WISH SAINT JOE WOULD HAVE TRADED UP FOR A STAR LIKE RODGERS NOT A CHUMP LIKE campbell! Who kno maybe Joe gibbs wouldnt have retired embarrassed cause of his pick of utter failure named jason campbell TRUE THAT TRUE THAT

Posted by: warriorking1112 | November 12, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

The NFL network has the worst announcers in the history of the National Football League.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 11, 2010 9:27 PM


You must have missed when they had Kermit THE Frog...I mean, Bryant Gumbel calling the games. Pappa is Al f-ing Michaels compared to that clown...

The problem they have is two-fold...they have that ridiculous 3-man booth and they have Theismann as one of those 3 people. I like Joey T on Playbook and he's a decent studio analyst...I just wonder how many game analyst gigs he's got to suck at before anyone realizes they should stop hiring him to do that. He's kinda like the Norv Turner of analysts...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 5:22 AM | Report abuse

i'll admit it sure would be nifty to have a youngish head coach in the process of earning his genius tag and a young fast learning stud QB....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2010 11:45 PM


If I were a GM putting a team together from scratch, I'm getting Mike Tomlin as my coach and Josh Freeman as my QB. You can pretty much fill in the blanks from there and feel good about being in contention for a Super Bowl within 5 years...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 5:29 AM | Report abuse

Since we won't get stuff like this here:

Redskins notes and analysis 11/11/10
By: John Keim and John Keim
Washington Examiner
11/11/10 8:16 PM EST

1. RB Clinton Portis could not practice and it’s now really hard to imagine him playing vs. Philadelphia on Monday. Yes, Mike Shanahan said there’s still a chance he could play. There’s also a chance I’ll still win a Pulitzer Prize; I’m not holding my breath. Listen, maybe Portis can still recover and be fine for Monday. But if he can’t get through a full week of practice without it being sore, why put him in a game when you have seven more after that? Doesn’t seem like Shanahan’s style.
“You don’t want to over-push it,” Shanahan said. “You’re trying to get back in football shape and you feel good and it’s sore the next day. That’s exactly what happened.”

2. Before practice, Portis said he swelling on his groin after Monday’s practice and again after Wednesday’s. He said he’s attempted to go full speed in the workouts, but said it was difficult because of “minor setbacks.”
And, he said, he isn’t yet cutting the way he wants.
“Hopefully by Monday I can,” he said. “I think I’m making progress, but I can’t sit here and tell you that it’s a definite…It’s real sore. But these are signs that they expected.”

3. Punt returner Brandon Banks (knee) will field punts Friday and Saturday to see if he can play. Banks underwent arthroscopic surgery during the bye and was originally expected to miss Monday.
Also, linebacker Brian Orakpo (back) did not practice. Safety LaRon Landry (Achilles) was limited.

4. Before we get to today’s big topic… This is one of the funniest videos I’ve seen because it looks like it could be a comedy skit, only it’s not. It’s Eagles coach Andy Reid at 13 in a punt, pass and kick competition. In fairness, Reid told us today that he was one of two 13-year-olds in the event. So clearly the kid behind him is not 13. But still; it’s funny. By the way, Reid has a terrific sense of humor. Problem is, he displays zero personality in his press conferences. Anyway, here’s the link.

5. A transcript from Ron Jaworski’s conference call, talking Donovan McNabb. As usual, Jaws was good. He’s a McNabb fan, but he said of the Redskins QB in the two-minute offense: “If you look at the history of Donovan, he’s been inconsistent in that period of time. There are times when he’s run the two-minute offense brilliantly and times when it’s been sketchy.”

6. Yes, today’s topic was the two-minute offense. Here are a couple stats: McNabb has led 23 game-winning drives in his career and has 15 fourth-quarter comebacks. His career passer rating in games within seven points is 75.8 (ranking him 34th since 1991). But he has a 38.1 passer rating in such games this season, with no touchdowns and three interceptions. That’s not necessarily all in the two-minute drill. And by Shanahan’s definition, the two-minute drill is when a team is out of time outs.

more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 5:41 AM | Report abuse

continued...

7. There’s also this: Shanahan calls the two-minute offense an extension of their third-down package. McNabb is 26th in the NFL on third downs with a 62.8 passer rating. On third-down plays where the Redskins need anywhere from three to seven yards for a first down, he has a 23.1 rating.

8. The Redskins still haven’t practiced the two-minute offense. That’s six weeks and counting. But Shanahan said he hopes they can practice it on Saturday, depending on how McNabb’s hamstrings are doing.
“I won’t take a chance of injury just to run a two-minute offense so everyone’s happy,” Shanahan said. “You have to be able to go full-speed in a two-minute situation.”

9. It’s quite obvious Monday’s game will come down to the final two minutes and McNabb will have a chance to win the game, isn’t it?
“The two-minute drill is an exciting time because no one knows what to expect,” McNabb said. “The unknown happens. I’ve been a part of it for years.”


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Redskins-notes-and-analysis-111110-107350469.html#ixzz1540Ec4ED

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 5:43 AM | Report abuse

Just wondering aloud here...but at what point does Shanahan get the heat for the Redskins' failings on 3rd down/2 min drill? Based on what Keim is reporting, it sounds to me like they've gone most of the season without practicing it. So why is Donovan the out of shape dummy for not being able to execute something they haven't spent any time practicing?

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 5:53 AM | Report abuse

So why is Donovan the out of shape dummy for not being able to execute something they haven't spent any time practicing?

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 5:53 AM

I thought the story was that they aren't practicing it because of Donovan's hamstring injury, not because Shanahan doesn't want to practice it.

Love this image that people want to believe that Shanahan's a dummy who has no idea how to coach.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 6:04 AM | Report abuse

Beep, I'm not going that far...but what Keim is saying is that the Skins haven't practiced the 2-minute drill in 6 weeks. That's mindboggling for a team that can't win a game by more than 7 points and plays all their games close. For this team, that should be the FIRST thing they practice.

And I don't know how much I buy this hamstring thing with McNabb...I mean, if his legs were that bad off, how is he able to set us up for the first TD with that 36 yard sprint? Seems to me he would've blown at least one of those hammies if they were in such rough shape...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Some interesting stuff from Jaws on McNabb:

On how he would grade Donovan so far: “I said this early in the year, I thought his game against Houston was the best game I saw him play in his career. That’s how well he played in that game. There have been uneven games, but you have to look at the whole body of this offense right now. They have some issues. Obviously the quarterback gets too much credit when it goes well and two much blame when it goes poorly. The offensive line has really struggled. There is too much quick pressure on the quarterback. When he ahs the time in the pocket, and they have max protection, he’s been able to execute those plays almost flawlessly. Too many times there is quick pressure; too many times receivers are dropping balls and there are too many known situations for the defense when they can get after the quarterback. When the protection is there, he has operated this offense well. When there’s pressure, that’s when mistakes have been made.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Jaws-calls-McNabb-benching-a-head-scratcher-107284994.html#ixzz15495xoSr

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:17 AM | Report abuse

And I don't know how much I buy this hamstring thing with McNabb...


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:14 AM

Most people believe what they want to believe. You believe it if Keim says they haven't practiced the two-minute drill. You don't believe it if Keim says it's because of Donovan's hamstrings.

Maybe the right attitude, especially with Shanahan smoke screens, is from Marvin Gaye's "Heard it through the Grapevine":

People say believe half of what you see,
Son, and none of what you hear.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 6:24 AM | Report abuse

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