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Portis to miss Eagles game; Betts to IR

Coach Jim Zorn's quick injury update..."I'll talk about this [rash of injuries] for years to come," Zorn said. " 'Wow, remember back in 2009...' " :

Clinton Portis will not play Sunday in Philadelphia. "The question is whether he will play against the Saints as well," Zorn said. "We'll get him moving that week [before the Saints game] and see how he's reacting." Zorn said there has been no consideration given to shutting him down for the season.

Zorn confirmed that Ladell Betts is out for the rest of the season with medial collateral and anterior cruciate ligament tears; he said that surgery is possible. According to Redskins PR (via Matt Terl), Betts will be placed on the season-ending injured-reserve list.

Chris Cooley will have to wear his walking boot another 10 days or so. "That is not good news for me, " Zorn said. As with Portis, there has been no IR decision.

DeAngelo Hall has a sprained knee and may be out for a week. "It depends on how fast we can get him back. He's not an IR candidate -- I guess I have to say that now -- he's not an IR candidate," Zorn said.

Chad Rinehart is in surgery now, having his broken fibula repaired. Fullback Eddie Williams is having surgery for the same thing.

Mike Williams is further along than Albert Haynesworth, Zorn said. Both just have to work back into shape; Haynesworth is hitting the treadmill. "They're just pretty severe ankle sprains," Zorn said.

As for the backup running back, Zorn said he anticipates that the team will re-sign Marcus Mason.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 23, 2009; 12:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

1st to say IR Portis. HE does'nt need to add unneccessary carries to his body this season.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This team frustrates me. They could be looking at someone on the OL, CB, RB if they put some of these players on IR. I just don't get it.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Portis and Cooley to IR. Just do it.

When did Williams break his leg? Never saw him go out.

Posted by: edvar | November 23, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

amazing level at which this team has been decimated by injuries....starting LT, starting RG, backup RB, starting TE, backup RG.....crap....just really frustrating....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

don't discount Zorn's simmering anger and resentment over Portis' ruination of his Pro coaching career.

Ha! I had me right up until "...Zorn's simmering anger..."

Lust for Medium!

Posted by: daggar | November 23, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys crazy? Have you not seen what has been happening to USC's defense and in particular Taylor Mays in coverage the last 2 months. He's an athletically gifted guy who isn't much of a ballhawk but has a talent for big hits.....sound like anybody else on our roster??????? you don't take safeties top 5 but once in a generation and Taylor Mays isn't any different than Laron....

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 23, 2009 12:28 PM

I'm against taking a safety, but if they could trade back from their soon to be top 8 pick and still address the OL then the safety to take would be Eric Berry from Tenn. This would allow Landry to move to SS and then Berry would play FS.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 12:46 PM

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Can we stop holding a spot for Cooley now. By the time he gets in football shape this team could be 3-10. What's the point? Enough already. They need these spots for players who are able to practice and contribute in the games. Portis/Beets/Cooley/Rinehart all should go on IR.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2009 12:43 PM |

It's also time to cut Wynn. I know he is a leader and team guy, but we need players on the roster who, um...play.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

As for the backup running back, Zorn said he anticipates that the team will re-sign Marcus Mason.

By Cindy Boren | November 23, 2009; 12:35 PM ET

Mason! Beantowngreg gets his way! The scoop on Mason: You can't win with him and you can't win without him.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

With every disgusting, putrid loss, the Skins edge closer to being able to acquire a top OT in the draft. Hard to believe the Raiders have 3 wins, and it looks like the only other team guaranteed to pick before the Skins at this point is Cleveland. And who knows who they might pick, it could go from WR to DT to OL.

How can anyone even talk about taking a safety at this point? Seriously, Safety is like #5 on the list of what this team needs at this point. Makes no sense, take a safety in the 1st (who may or may not be remotely close to ST 21) and an OT in the 2nd round? Please..

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

They should certainly take Okung with their first pick. And continue drafting O-linemen thereafter.

I'm still on board with taking Blount, and if he falls as far as some on here think (5th round or later) then that's even better for the Skins.

I think the kid is a baller, and his incident was football related. It's not like he shot himself in the leg in a nightclub or spit on a woman in a bar or such as...

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

It's also time to cut Wynn. I know he is a leader and team guy, but we need players on the roster who, um...play.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 23, 2009 12:51 PM

It's true. We used to need guys on the roster like Wynn who could be inactive every Sunday. Now that all the starters are inactive, we need some meat to throw the Eagles.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

..."I'll talk about this [rash of injuries] for years to come," Zorn said. " 'Wow, remember back in 2009...' "

Wow, what a friggin cornball this clown is.

I'll talk about this suck-a*** season for years to come, like, 'Remember back in 2009 when they had a lame cornball on the sidelines, and his arrogance, and his ineptness was his undoing? Man I'm sure glad they fired him with three games remaining in the season.'

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Who are the most promising BIG backs coming out in the 2010 draft?

Posted by: edvar | November 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Eddie Williams is a FB.
Edwin Williams is the undrafted C from UMD that played in place of Rhino.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Toby Gerhart

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

It may not be a bad idea to cut Zorn loose before the end of the season and let an interim coach finish.

I think it's important to get some points/wins (and get the taste of Zorn out of everyone's mouth*) to carry over into next year, and with Zorn I'm not sure they can win another game, especially since the Raiders now look like they are semi-competent, although still not very good.

* metaphorically speaking

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

They should certainly take Okung with their first pick. And continue drafting O-linemen thereafter.

I'm still on board with taking Blount, and if he falls as far as some on here think (5th round or later) then that's even better for the Skins.

I think the kid is a baller, and his incident was football related. It's not like he shot himself in the leg in a nightclub or spit on a woman in a bar or such as...

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Could you imagine getting Noel Devine in the 4th and getting Legarett Blount in the fifth? Tell me that's not a platoon. Or Blount and Coker.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

1st to say IR Portis. HE does'nt need to add unneccessary carries to his body this season.....

Posted by: 4thFloor

Totally agree with sitting CP for the rest of the year. I'm glad Mason is coming back and I would also look at DeDe Dorsey who is in the UFL now. He looked good with the Bengals for a while too.

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

As if it wasn't really needed, the play at the end of the half was baldfaced, italic type set for how forked up various parts of the team are.

1. Camp couldn't just throw the ball out of bounds before he got too near the sideline, he had to cut it real, real close and put it in the hands of the replay booth and what seemed like an endless interlude of waiting and not knowing.

2. After everything was snorted out, the ball was on the 20 yd line with 15 secs on the clock. Time for at least one more play. What is there to lose? Why attempt the field goal immediate? There is a chance, admittedly pretty remote, that you could score a TD. I mean Jesus, you have had practically an eternity to come up with something to try. Z bird at his brain dead best.

3. Suisham was just standing there for a cornsiderable amount of time and then had to kick what was pretty much a chip shot. But of course he blew it and missed. A forked up folly like this demanded that ending. Where was the special teams coach in this state of disarray? He should have at least sent Suisham back to the sideline to keep warm and focused by making practice kicks.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | November 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

With every disgusting, putrid loss, the Skins edge closer to being able to acquire a top OT in the draft. Hard to believe the Raiders have 3 wins, and it looks like the only other team guaranteed to pick before the Skins at this point is Cleveland. And who knows who they might pick, it could go from WR to DT to OL.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 12:53 PM

Right now there are four teams with fewer wins than the 'Skins and six with the same number of wins. So, we'd pick between 5 and 10. I can believe that we're that bad because I've watched all the games. What I can't believe is that there are nine other teams that are no better than we are. Yikes. So much for parity.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Gerhart is beast and a pile mover. I question his speed and he may eventually be a FB.

I'd like to say a 2010 version of Riggo, but Riggo was believe it or not a sprinter @ Kansas.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Eddie Williams is a reserve fullback. Injured during practice last week. Having same surgery as Rinehart.

Posted by: VegasJim | November 23, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone even talk about taking a safety at this point? Seriously, Safety is like #5 on the list of what this team needs at this point. Makes no sense, take a safety in the 1st (who may or may not be remotely close to ST 21) and an OT in the 2nd round? Please..

Posted by: ga8085

Good grief!

No one said that if they were able to get the first pick they should draft either Mays or Berry.

All I'm and others are saying that if all the viable first round OL are gone, and from what I've been reading their is really only ONE OL that will make sense to draft given the Redskins projected spot in round one.

Again, NO ONE IS SAYING 'DRAFT A SAFETY'. If the only legit first round OL is gone, then what should they do? If the guy is off the board then for that pick, given where it is, you have to draft best available.

All other picks should be used on OL and a MLB.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

He's only like 175lbs (could put on some weight before the combine though), but McCluster from Ole Miss is a playmaker. Don't really know what round he's projected to go in, I'm thinking 2nd at the earliest. I still think it should be: 1st round: OT, 2nd round: OT, OG, or QB, and 4th round: RB, C, or OLB

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Who are the most promising BIG backs coming out in the 2010 draft?

Posted by: edvar | November 23, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse


#1 Jonathan Dwyer 228 pounds 4.4 speed
#2 Ryan Mathews Fresno State 220 pounds 4.4 speed
#3 Anthony Dixon Mississippi State 240 pounds 4.5 speed
#4 Toby Gerhart 232 pounds almost 4.6 speed
#5 Charles Scott 233 pounds 4.6 speed
#6 LeGarrette Blount 240 pounds 4.6 speed

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

You'll talk about these injuries for years to come. Thankfully you won't be talking about it at Redskins PC's.

Posted by: Gweez | November 23, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

As for the backup running back, Zorn said he anticipates that the team will re-sign Marcus Mason.

By Cindy Boren | November 23, 2009; 12:35 PM ET

Mason! Beantowngreg gets his way! The scoop on Mason: You can't win with him and you can't win without him.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse
MASON MASON MASON slurp slurp slurp, somebody wants him on this team, who cares about the teams he played for, I think he's a winner ~ Peace !

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I've been watching Gerhart, that guy looks like a winner. Sort of...Riggo-esque. We haven't had a good BIG back in a while. (who runs the ball, not like caveman)

Posted by: edvar | November 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

He's only like 175lbs (could put on some weight before the combine though), but McCluster from Ole Miss is a playmaker. Don't really know what round he's projected to go in, I'm thinking 2nd at the earliest. I still think it should be: 1st round: OT, 2nd round: OT, OG, or QB, and 4th round: RB, C, or OLB

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:02 PM

McCluster could help in the return game and as a third down/change of pace guy. This kid can fly and is carrying OLE Miss. He's a little undersized but they said that about D. Jackson as well. I like him but he will be gone by the 3rd round.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

All other picks should be used on OL and a MLB.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Even if there are no OL available, which from what I read, there's 2 projected to go in the top ten, and 2 projected to go 10-20, I'd then go for a RB or QB. Or trade back. Drafting ANOTHER DB in the top 5? Really? Why not, Skins have only done it three times already in like 5 yrs. No wonder the Offense is so outstanding now..

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:02 PM

What he said.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Ladell Betts has torn MCL and ACL. He will heal, however he is 30 and will NEVER be able to do cuts and sides as good as he did before. Not even close. Therefor he is done for all practical reason. So we need next year: left tackle, Running back, (Portis is done) Center, Right tackle,
corner, and great receiver, They will not be able to get all of this in one season, so I see rebuilding years ahead. I am changing teams. I am now a raven....Lets go RAVENS

Posted by: usa11291 | November 23, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

..."I'll talk about this [rash of injuries] for years to come," Zorn said. " 'Wow, remember back in 2009...' "

Wow, what a friggin cornball this clown is.

I'll talk about this suck-a*** season for years to come, like, 'Remember back in 2009 when they had a lame cornball on the sidelines, and his arrogance, and his ineptness was his undoing? Man I'm sure glad they fired him with three games remaining in the season.'

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse


What Red said...

Posted by: p1funk | November 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Three O-linemen in the draft will not help this team

Posted by: SkinsFan37years | November 23, 2009

Offensive lineman are lower risk relative to other positions chose high. They typically yield benefits for years to come and can almost start for your team immediately.

There will be plenty of skill players available in free agency and via trade with the right folks in charge of the wheel house.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Even if there are no OL available, which from what I read, there's 2 projected to go in the top ten, and 2 projected to go 10-20, I'd then go for a RB or QB. Or trade back. Drafting ANOTHER DB in the top 5? Really? Why not, Skins have only done it three times already in like 5 yrs. No wonder the Offense is so outstanding now..

Posted by: ga8085

I still wouldn't take a QB with the pick even if the OL are gone. All that would accomplish is ruining another QB.

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

My, my! What a difference a week makes. Last week everyone making ridiculous claims of the playoffs? Playoffs?!?! Playoffs? Last week the Redskins lost to a bad team with a good record just like the 2008 Redskins. The Redskins are done! This is a blessing in disguise, they need to lose out and have Snyder push the button and detonate this piece of crap organization. I'm done. Don't care. Call me when Zorn and Snyder are gone. Jason Campbell had a great performance? Are you kidding me? Who cares what his stats looked like? How many times did he get into the endzone? Huh? None! 0! Zilch! Zip! Nada! Don't matter of you throw for 500 yards, if you can't get into the endzone you don't win squat. Bottom line Redskins = Joke!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 23, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

That play that Dallas scored their TD, it was weird. Mebbe the camera angle was deceptive, but in the end zone pic that I saw, Clay was the only Cowboy in the pic and there were 4 or 5 Skinz DBs, none of them covering him. Romo had scrambled out of the pock, which does tend to freeze DBs, but this was ridiculous.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | November 23, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"PFT is reporting that when the Dr. performing the operation on Ladell Betts learned that he was 30 years old and was a running back, instead of fixing his torn ACL/MCL, the Dr. simply amputated his leg, from the knee down. Thereby putting to rest any hope that Betts could come back from this surgery"

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Don't matter of you throw for 500 yards, if you can't get into the endzone you don't win squat. Bottom line Redskins = Joke!

Posted by: natsfan007

Yeah, sort of like the Nats....

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"I'm done. Don't care. Call me when Zorn and Snyder are gone"

Ok...bye...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Thanks PA Skins

#1 Jonathan Dwyer 228 pounds 4.4 speed
#2 Ryan Mathews Fresno State 220 pounds 4.4 speed
#3 Anthony Dixon Mississippi State 240 pounds 4.5 speed
#4 Toby Gerhart 232 pounds almost 4.6 speed
#5 Charles Scott 233 pounds 4.6 speed
#6 LeGarrette Blount 240 pounds 4.6 speed

Posted by: PAskinsfan17

That's where I would go shopping for a back. Forget the WCO and pound one or two of these guys and then get vertical. Power and speed!

Now, about that O line...

Posted by: edvar | November 23, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

There will be plenty of skill players available in free agency and via trade with the right folks in charge of the wheel house.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 1:13 PM |

Such as? And if you trade you are usually giving up draft choices. It is a zero sum game.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | November 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

a. Russ Grimm HOF 3rd round 1981

b. Mark May 1st round 1981

c. Donny Warren 4th round, 1980

d. Chris Samuels 1st round.

e. Tre Johnson 3rd round.

f. Derrick Dockery

This is a lovely list of huge men.

Thing is, not a one is a 1st rounder taken by the Snyder Gang.

Which is my point--btw.

They'll take the Best Player Availiable with their top 5 pick.

And with Vinny, that player is rarely a blocker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Last week everyone up here was making claims about getting to the playoffs? I must have a concussion.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

..."I'll talk about this [rash of injuries] for years to come," Zorn said. " 'Wow, remember back in 2009...' "

Wow, what a friggin cornball this clown is.
I'll talk about this suck-a*** season for years to come, like, 'Remember back in 2009 when they had a lame cornball on the sidelines, and his arrogance, and his ineptness was his undoing? Man I'm sure glad they fired him with three games remaining in the season.'

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

**********************

Arrogance? Cornball, sure. But arrogance? Zorn is many things and may not be qualified to serve as an NFL head coach. But there's not an arrogant bone in the man's body. A little arrogance would probably help, actually. This is a horribly constructed team; Zorn was set up to fail and yet this team is still playing hard for him. Arrogant men with losing records don't inspire that kind of loyalty. Slam him for poor play-calling, slam him for poor results... but skip the character assasination Red. People in glass houses...

Posted by: outsider6 | November 23, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should force Zorn into a competency hearing.

Some of the comments the guy makes - both postgame and the day after - are absolutely bizarre.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I was just reading where this MAys kid doesn't want to be a FS and he wants to play closer to show off his skill set....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan

You are a man of vision.

I'd take Dwyer: he's Betts with speed.

Jacoby Ford is another speed guy.

Do you notice I say 'speed' and others say 'power'?

I want a dude who whenhe gets into the open field can 'take it to the house'.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Even if there are no OL available, which from what I read, there's 2 projected to go in the top ten, and 2 projected to go 10-20, I'd then go for a RB or QB. Or trade back. Drafting ANOTHER DB in the top 5? Really? Why not, Skins have only done it three times already in like 5 yrs. No wonder the Offense is so outstanding now..

Posted by: ga8085

For the record, all the drafting a safety talk is strictly hypothetical, and that's the part you're simply not understanding.

LETS SAY, you know for PRETEND that Washington's first round selection is at 7 or lower in the first round. Both of those top 10 OL you mentioned are gone. So what you're saying is that they should draft a player at lets say 7th that was slotted to go in the mid to late round. That's just not smart. Yes it's a need, but sometimes (not as much Vinny thinks so) you do draft best available.

Then you mentioned a QB or RB. From what I've read their are no QBs worthy of a first round selection. The dude McCoy is projected in the late first, early second, right? Remember hypothetically the Redskins are selecting 7th. And what RB would make sense to draft that high? Spiller? Bush 2.0? As I was saying the only time I would draft a RB in the first round would be a guy like Adrian Peterson. The combination of power and speed is rare. Peterson, the way he's built he'll have a longer and productive career due to his size. When his speed is gone he'll still be threat.

Trade? What would a trade do as far as picking a quality linemen in the first, unless they're trading up, any linemen they would get trading back could still be had without trading back.

I'm not saying it should be their first priority, but drafting a FS would allow Landry to move back to SS where he is at his best.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Arrogance? Cornball, sure. But arrogance? Zorn is many things and may not be qualified to serve as an NFL head coach. But there's not an arrogant bone in the man's body. A little arrogance would probably help, actually. This is a horribly constructed team; Zorn was set up to fail and yet this team is still playing hard for him. Arrogant men with losing records don't inspire that kind of loyalty. Slam him for poor play-calling, slam him for poor results... but skip the character assasination Red. People in glass houses...

Posted by: outsider6

I understand your defense of his character. I am curious though, how was he set up to fail?

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I was just reading where this MAys kid doesn't want to be a FS and he wants to play closer to show off his skill set....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 1:22 PM

Ssshhhh! We are not allowed to talk about this.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I heard Berry is probably better than Mays anyway.

I'd take either one. BUT I'D PERFER THEY DRAFT OFFENSIVE LINEMEN WITH THEIR FIRST PICK.


Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: outsider6 | November 23, 2009 1:21 PM

Yes arrogance. This clown is so stubborn and so clueless that arrogance is the only adjective that can describe him. I'm convinced although he's been proven wrong, he still thinks that his play calling has failed because of execution.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Saw Toby Gerhart play last weekend. My first thought was that this guy was like Riggins. But Oline help first please!

Posted by: VegasJim | November 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"But there's not an arrogant bone in the man's body"

His insistence that he's a good play caller would indicate otherwise.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

...I see rebuilding years ahead. I am changing teams. I am now a raven....Lets go RAVENS

Posted by: usa11291
________________________________

Please usa11291 - go to the Ravens! You sound like you would fit right in with the lot of them.

Posted by: gregstrang | November 23, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Zorn IS arrogant, in a passive/aggressive way. And that makes him even more irritating.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Is gerhart the guy on Stanford who scored 4 tds last weekend? That guy is awesome. Beast with speed.

Before anyone freaks out, I like the guy. I am NOT saying they should ignore OL and draft this guy in the first round……sheesh.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Arrogance? Cornball, sure. But arrogance? Zorn is many things and may not be qualified to serve as an NFL head coach. But there's not an arrogant bone in the man's body. A little arrogance would probably help, actually. This is a horribly constructed team; Zorn was set up to fail and yet this team is still playing hard for him. Arrogant men with losing records don't inspire that kind of loyalty. Slam him for poor play-calling, slam him for poor results... but skip the character assasination Red. People in glass houses...

Posted by: outsider6

I'm in a very good mood today, so that last part, I'll just pretend I didn't read that. You know, sort of like how Jim Zorn pretends to be a NFL coach.

My case for Zorn's arrogance:

Exhibit A: His refusal to play only one back, give him 30 carries a game, and grind him down to a friggin nub by the end of the season.

Exhibit B: His refusal to get Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly on the field more often. It's not a coincidence that you're seeing more from Devin Thomas now that Zorn has been stripped of play-calling duties. Which leads me to...

Exhibit C: His belief that he is qualified to call plays although HE HAS NEVER called plays at the NFL level. Never even sat in the booth.

Exhibit D: His unwillingness to let his QB audible into different plays to try to exploit blitzes and holes in the defense.


The DMV rests.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

They'll take the Best Player Availiable with their top 5 pick.

And with Vinny, that player is rarely a blocker.

Posted by: MistaMoe


Moe, its not only that. Its clear that with their draft history, marketing factors into their first and early round selections. The reason why they never draft O-line in the first is that nobody buys jerseys and renews season tix for a non-glamorous first round lineman. The position is just not sexy enough for Snyder to sell his yearly hype to us.

The redskins are more of a marketing organization than a football organization. This is why we are in the condition we are in as a franchise.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Call me when Zorn and Snyder are gone.

I'm pretty sure there'll be a press release, but gimme your number and I'll try to put it somewhere it won't get lost.

Posted by: daggar | November 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

They could take Okung in the first, Gerhart in the second, more O-linemen after that, and Blount in the 5th or 6th (if he falls that far).

I would seriously consider ditching Portis, and who knows if Betts can play at a high level again (MCL/ACL combo doesn't sound good), and Cartwright isn't getting any younger.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The DMV rests.

Feel free to add his insistence to have 82 "field" punts to your defense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

"Portis to miss Eagles game; Betts to IR"


Even in pain, Betts is somehow linked to Portis.

And I feel for the guy.

Seriously.

Ladell Betts has been a redskin longer than Portis and is not the face of the team.

He practices, doesn't play, and doesn't complain.

Guys like him are the lunch bucket types teams need, but rarely respect.

And now, at what should be his chance to show his skills, he gets hurt.

And at age 30, might receive the unkindest cut of all.

There's no market for 30 plus backs with low mileage.

You don't have upside once you've been in the league for 8 years and have all kinds of tape displaying what you can and cannot do.

Teams would rather 'go young' and get a mid-rounder they don't have to pay much, can use up, and then ship out once age and injury have taken their toll.

Just like what might happen to Ladell Betts.

Yes: if this happens, it will be a shame.

But pro football is a business.

And in business, you cut your losses--an players of age and injury--and move in another direction.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Trade? What would a trade do as far as picking a quality linemen in the first, unless they're trading up, any linemen they would get trading back could still be had without trading back.

I'm not saying it should be their first priority, but drafting a FS would allow Landry to move back to SS where he is at his best.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

I understand its hypothetical..because at this point all draft speculation is hypothetical.

If it comes down to Mays being available at 7 or trading back, I'll trade back in a heartbeat.

If you trade back lets say to between 10-20, then you could still easily get a quality OT (Bulanga?) and pick up an additional 2nd or 3rd without reaching. If you trade back, then taking a Spiller or Best, would not be reaching at all at that spot either. My main point is, Offense should be the sole focus of the 1st and 2nd round.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I see rebuilding years ahead. I am changing teams. I am now a raven....Lets go RAVENS

Posted by: usa11291

Then F you too sucka.....

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

They need a mostly new O-line, and a new backfield.

They CAN accomplish both in the draft. But will they?

Also, any talent drafted will be wasted if this flakey Zorn character is here next year. Get him outta here.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

So who gets the bulk of the carries now? Rock,Ganther or Mason? Rock can't take 20.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 23, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The redskins are more of a marketing organization than a football organization. This is why we are in the condition we are in as a franchise.

Posted by: Predator48 | November 23, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

But see that's where Snyder is wrong. Fans are gonna be excited about the Skins no matter what -- as evidenced by the fact that we're still here while in the middle of a near 15+ year run of mediocrity. He doesn't need the hyped players as much as he thinks he does. How about increasing the value of the team by making the playoffs consistently and reaping the $$$ off of extra ticket sales, parking, and concessions of the extra home games?

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I must have a concussion.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 1:20 PM |

Never post with a concussion. We're not going to play you this week, but we're not putting you on IR just yet. We're going to let psps start in your place for a while. Just sit on the RI bench and rest. Anyway, your salary's guaranteed.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Its clear that with their draft history, marketing factors into their first and early round selections. The reason why they never draft O-line in the first is that nobody buys jerseys and renews season tix for a non-glamorous first round lineman. The position is just not sexy enough for Snyder to sell his yearly hype to us"

Can you back this up with something, otherwise this reeks of something you just made up....you know bring me some stats that shows jersey sales and what percentage of total revenue they provide....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm in a very good mood today, so that last part, I'll just pretend I didn't read that. You know, sort of like how Jim Zorn pretends to be a NFL coach.

My case for Zorn's arrogance:

Exhibit A: His refusal to play only one back, give him 30 carries a game, and grind him down to a friggin nub by the end of the season.

Exhibit B: His refusal to get Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly on the field more often. It's not a coincidence that you're seeing more from Devin Thomas now that Zorn has been stripped of play-calling duties. Which leads me to...

Exhibit C: His belief that he is qualified to call plays although HE HAS NEVER called plays at the NFL level. Never even sat in the booth.

Exhibit D: His unwillingness to let his QB audible into different plays to try to exploit blitzes and holes in the defense.


The DMV rests.

Posted by: RedDMV

The people find Jim Zorn......GUILTY on all charges. Sentencing will take place in 5-8 weeks.

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I was just reading where this MAys kid doesn't want to be a FS and he wants to play closer to show off his skill set....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 23, 2009 1:22 PM

He's just sayin stuff to shorties at the club. "I want to play closer to show off my skill set."

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Offense should be the sole focus of the 1st and 2nd round.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:40 PM

If Vinny's reading this, you need to be more specific. It was the sole focus two years ago.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"Its clear that with their draft history, marketing factors into their first and early round selections. The reason why they never draft O-line in the first is that nobody buys jerseys and renews season tix for a non-glamorous first round lineman. The position is just not sexy enough for Snyder to sell his yearly hype to us"

Can you back this up with something, otherwise this reeks of something you just made up....you know bring me some stats that shows jersey sales and what percentage of total revenue they provide....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I agree Bean. Whats sexy about drafting 2 safties and a CB in the last few years?

Posted by: dcwun | November 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Forget Gerhart. I love the kid and have watched over a dozen of his games but he only resemblance to Riggo is (well you know). Gerhart is TOO slow, Riggo was a sprinter. Gerhart is more like Brian Leonard from Rutgers who was converted to FB after being drafted.

The slowest team in the NFL needs speed. They need to look @ Spiller (1st)or McCluster (3rd) ONLY after they rebuild the line via FA/draft

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny's reading this, you need to be more specific. It was the sole focus two years ago.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse
Don't remind me. But can you guess what the absolutely worst 1st rounder for offense was spent on in the last 10 yrs? Answer: Janikowski
Not even Vinnie can match that one.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I mean, VC has come out and stated that he doesn't draft OL early in the whole process, and yet people want to make stuff up about how its marketing....like they're gonna ignore what he's PUBLICALLY STATED, and put their own twist on it....I don't get it....I'm not trying to defend VC, but don't just fabricate stuff, and try and pass it off as the truth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44

"The slowest team in the NFL needs speed. They need to look @ Spiller (1st)or McCluster (3rd) ONLY after they rebuild the line via FA/draft..."

You are where I am.

All this talk of Mason, Rock, Betts, and Ganther omits the fact that none of them would start on any of the teams presently in first place in any division in the league.

Some fans have adopted the FO thinking that second tier guys can somehow be all that.

Well--they can play well for awhile, but eventually, they prove they ain't all that.

Let's draft a speed player and put him to work.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"And then on the second timeout, that use of timeout, that was just so frustrating to me. We hurt Jason on that play. I hurt him, because I didn't have the needed call, and we got caught on time again, where we had a shift and a motion and I had to call timeout because it wasn't gonna be [snapped in time]. It was just totally mine, totally on me. I screwed us out of that timeout. I did everything I could just to maintain my composure, and then it absolutely had an issue at the end of this football game, so it's just on me."


NO Jim, you just friggin straight up screwed us, you giant bottle of massengill!

ga, okay cool, dude. I hear what you're sayin', you know how it goes up here: Agree to disagree

Diesel44, I forgot all about that one. Yes Zorn continuing to make ARE the primary punt returner. Didn't even see anyone else return a punt yesterday.

See outsider6, the evidence is there, is up to you to take your hands off Zorn's nuts and look at the EVIDENCE around you. It's not like I'm making the whole 'arrogant' thing up.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

They could take Okung in the first, Gerhart in the second, more O-linemen after that, and Blount in the 5th or 6th (if he falls that far).


MrRedskins21, I like where you're going with this...

Posted by: edvar | November 23, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I mean, VC has come out and stated that he doesn't draft OL early in the whole process, and yet people want to make stuff up about how its marketing....like they're gonna ignore what he's PUBLICALLY STATED, and put their own twist on it....I don't get it....I'm not trying to defend VC, but don't just fabricate stuff, and try and pass it off as the truth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

There's some room for hope. Remember Vinny also said he doesn't draft defensive linemen in the top rounds of the draft either then he went with Orakpo. I think after this year his hand will be forced. I think if we are loud enough he will have to listen. Everyone is criticizing this line. It's at a point where I don't think he can ignore it.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If Vinny's reading this, you need to be more specific. It was the sole focus two years ago.

Posted by: League-Source | November 23, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse
Don't remind me. But can you guess what the absolutely worst 1st rounder for offense was spent on in the last 10 yrs? Answer: Janikowski
Not even Vinnie can match that one.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:53 PM

Wrong...Right team but that fat kicker is clearly a better choice than J. Russell. Russell can't play and weighs in @ almost 3 bills.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

You would think that the misery of this lost season would have its rewards but even that is no sure thing.

1. There are three teams - TB, Clev and StL - that for sure are going to draft ahead of the Skinz and a bunch of teams that could end up ahead of them also, depending on how the seaon plays out.

2. There is only one elite OT - Russell Okung - and the Skinz have little chance of getting the dude. It is not like last season where there were three.

3. The Skinz have a dickload of needs and even an Ozzie Newsome isn't going to get anywhere near filling the gap with this draft.

4. The HC, GM front isn't a bounty of appetizing possibilities. The only decent HC prospect is Cowher and he doesn't seem to be interested in hiring on for Snyder. As for GMs, who knows?

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | November 23, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

But can you guess what the absolutely worst 1st rounder for offense was spent on in the last 10 yrs? Answer: Janikowski
Not even Vinnie can match that one.

Posted by: ga8085


Agree to agree.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I mean, VC has come out and stated that he doesn't draft OL early in the whole process, and yet people want to make stuff up about how its marketing....like they're gonna ignore what he's PUBLICALLY STATED, and put their own twist on it....I don't get it....I'm not trying to defend VC, but don't just fabricate stuff, and try and pass it off as the truth...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's a bigger leap than anything you speculate on about what happens behind the scenes (coaching decisions during games, what the coaches teach / don't teach in practice, etc.) when there is no possible way of knowing the answer...anyways, Snyder has increased the value of the team dramatically since he bought the Skins 10 years ago, and he's more often than not brought in the sexier player over a blue-collar type.

We know the list of FA, draft picks, etc. and there isn't any need to rehash them, so with that in mind, I don't think it should be dismissed as absolutely insane that marketing might have a small role to play in the decision making -- especially when Gibbs wasn't around...just my opinion though...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Don't do it Mason. Before you know it, some freak play will happen where a safeties visor will fly off his helmet, strike you in the funny bone, and and cause a shockwave of traumatic nerve damage, forcing your leg to be amputated by EMTs on the 50 yard line. Playing on offense for the Redskins is a career death wish, both metaphorically and literally.

Posted by: psps23 | November 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I see rebuilding years ahead. I am changing teams. I am now a raven....Lets go RAVENS

Posted by: usa11291


Go have fun on their blog, then, you tool.

I hope to the Almighty that there are rebuilding years ahead - I mean real legit rebuilding, not this cut and paste crap with high-priced FAs.

If this team decides to undergo a legit rebuilding over the next couple years - one directed by competent people who intend to use the draft and salary allocation responsibly - then the team/organization has my full support no matter what the record is during that time.

Posted by: p1funk | November 23, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Don't remind me. But can you guess what the absolutely worst 1st rounder for offense was spent on in the last 10 yrs? Answer: Janikowski
Not even Vinnie can match that one.
Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 1:53 PM

I know he’s had some legal troubles, but you are calling a guy drafted in the 1st round, still on the team that drafted him 10 years later, highest scorer in team history, leads league in touchbacks, a bad pick? Would you be complaining if the skins had the same kicker on the team for the past 10 years?

You can't come up with anyone "worse"?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

ml, bring something to the table, like revenue from non-ol versus ol jersey sales, that kind of backs up what you're saying??

"There is only one elite OT - Russell Okung"

pretty early for this, considering that the combine, pro-days have yet to happen don't you think? No one is thinking about the draft except for us....

nfldraftcountdown.com has him behind Williams of OK...so you might be premature, in that assessment...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I hurt him, because I didn't have the needed call, and we got caught on time again, where we had a shift and a motion and I had to call timeout because it wasn't gonna be [snapped in time]. It was just totally mine, totally on me. I screwed us out of that timeout. I did everything I could just to maintain my composure, and then it absolutely had an issue at the end of this football game, so it's just on me."

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:56 PM

What the heck is JZ doing calling plays. Some one please turn Jim's that headset off during the game.

Posted by: TWISI | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

"Its clear that with their draft history, marketing factors into their first and early round selections. The reason why they never draft O-line in the first is that nobody buys jerseys and renews season tix for a non-glamorous first round lineman. The position is just not sexy enough for Snyder to sell his yearly hype to us"

Can you back this up with something, otherwise this reeks of something you just made up....you know bring me some stats that shows jersey sales and what percentage of total revenue they provide....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1


You need stats to know they don't draft o-linemen early and haven't for years? You need stats to know that they consistently trade their 1st, and 2nd round picks for players like Campbell, Portis, Taylor,etc.. real jersey sellers? Where have you've been. better yet, where are the quality linemen?

We known for about three years now that we needed depth on the o-line, and Vinny has done nothing more than given lip service to the position and tried bringing in bums off the street instead of making it a priority in the draft.

Sorry I don't have the financial spreadsheets to prove it to you, but there is a reason why we are called the OFFSEASON CHAMPS. Its because the fans are marketed hype every year about how close we are to being a champion, and we continue to get no substantive results on the field to back it up.

If you need stats to know that the front office cares more about marketing and and less about building a less glamourous but consistently good team then you've really get your head up your A$$!

Posted by: Predator48 | November 23, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying it should be their first priority, but drafting a FS would allow Landry to move back to SS where he is at his best.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

You and Vinny must have gone to the same school of team building. Without Albert Haynesworth our defense just held the #4 offense that averages 32 points a game at home to 7 points. We don't need anymore defensive draft picks this season. I agree we need a free safety and a strong side linebacker, but those can be free agent additions. We need youth and talent on our oline, at running back, and at QB, if the first 4 round draft picks are anything but those 3 positions then Vinny must still be in charge cause only an idiot would pick somewhere else. We look to be picking somewhere in the 4-8 range if by some miraculous turn of events the two OTs projected to go top 10, Locker, Clausen, Bradford, and Spiller are all gone by that point then they should trade back and still fill there needs. Your advocating best available is what Vinny has done for years, which is why we've picked more DBs, WRs, and linebackers than anybody in the league and have ignored our lines for a decade. Its idiotic and it has to stop this year. I advocate going OT in the 1st round whether that is get one of the two guys at our position or trade back some but either way we need OT first IMO. In a perfect world we could trade to the mid-teens get an OT there, pick up a second rounder and use the two seconds on a QB and a RB. IF you re-sign Levi and sign another tackle in FA you would have pretty solid depth with the #1, Levi, Heyer, the signed guy and BMW could slide out there in a pinch, that's pretty solid. But another #1 pick spent on a safety and we would officially be the dumbest franchise in the league, making Al Davis look like Al Einstein.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

nfldraftcountdown.com has him behind Williams of OK...so you might be premature, in that assessment...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

nfldraftcountdown needs to be updated then. Williams has struggled a few times this year and Okung has done nothing but cement his #1 offensive tackle status. In fact williams has fallen below Bruce Campbell of Maryland, Bryan Bulaga of Iowa, and Charles Brown of USC.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

You would think that the misery of this lost season would have its rewards but even that is no sure thing.

1. There are three teams - TB, Clev and StL - that for sure are going to draft ahead of the Skinz and a bunch of teams that could end up ahead of them also, depending on how the seaon plays out.

2. There is only one elite OT - Russell Okung - and the Skinz have little chance of getting the dude. It is not like last season where there were three.

3. The Skinz have a dickload of needs and even an Ozzie Newsome isn't going to get anywhere near filling the gap with this draft.

4. The HC, GM front isn't a bounty of appetizing possibilities. The only decent HC prospect is Cowher and he doesn't seem to be interested in hiring on for Snyder. As for GMs, who knows?

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | November 23, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse


* 2 of the 3 teams that you mention "ahead" of us (St.Louis/Cleveland) already have young left tackles to build around (Jason Smith/Joe Thomas).

* And why is Cowher the "only" decent HC prospect? Was there anything wrong with the careers of Shanahan and Holmgren?

Posted by: p1funk | November 23, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

There are FIVE OT's ranked in Scout Inc.s top 32 draft picks. FIVE. The Skins could certainly come up with one. Better if there were two. Eric Berry and not Taylor Mays is the highest ranked safety and the highest ranked choice on the board.

OT's available in order of preference:

Russell Okung.
Trent Williams.
Charles Brown.
Bryan Bulaga
Anthony Davis.

Remember Sam Adams? That was the Skins 1st round pick used by Atlanta. Guess what he wasn't the highest ranked but he is starting at left tackle.
Draft OL. Anything else you are just blowing sputum out the whale's blow hole.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

BALTIMORE...Is a Dirty, Ugly, City...

Posted by: ThinkingMan | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I know he’s had some legal troubles, but you are calling a guy drafted in the 1st round, still on the team that drafted him 10 years later, highest scorer in team history, leads league in touchbacks, a bad pick? Would you be complaining if the skins had the same kicker on the team for the past 10 years?

You can't come up with anyone "worse"?

Posted by: dlhaze1


I think he's on point with the kicker because, he's um... a KICKER (haha) and was drafted in the first round.

I don't care how many touchbacks he's had, if the Redskins would've drafted a kicker in the first round I would've been blown!

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

pred, here, instead of dancing around it, give me the comparison, between the last first round OL taken, Samuels, and every first rounder since then, as far as Jersey Sales are concerned....simple enough right?? I mean, that should once and for all prove your point, right??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 23, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Remember Sam Adams? That was the Skins 1st round pick used by Atlanta. Guess what he wasn't the highest ranked but he is starting at left tackle.

Draft OL. Anything else you are just blowing sputum out the whale's blow hole.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

do you mean sam baker? cause sam adams was a DT and beer, not a draft pick of the atlanta falcons.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I hurt him, because I didn't have the needed call, and we got caught on time again"

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 1:56 PM

Interesting quote by JZ.

One wonders what kind of ammunition something like this gives to Snerrato if/when they fire him, given that he was supposedly stripped of his play-calling duties.

Posted by: p1funk | November 23, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Beaner-- I said it's all speculative. I have some time at my work to blog on here, but not the kinda time needed to look up all that!

But really, we all make educated guesses up here every day -- or try to. No one knows for sure what goes on behind the scenes, and for now who is actually making some of the controversial playcalls, etc. Not sure of the reason for the dismissive demeanor towards that...

Posted by: mattylight | November 23, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"And then on the second timeout, that use of timeout, that was just so frustrating to me. We hurt Jason on that play. I hurt him, because I didn't have the needed call, and we got caught on time again, where we had a shift and a motion and I had to call timeout because it wasn't gonna be [snapped in time]. It was just totally mine, totally on me. I screwed us out of that timeout. I did everything I could just to maintain my composure, and then it absolutely had an issue at the end of this football game, so it's just on me."

What?? What the hell is he even saying anymore? I wish JC would just purposely "throw a ball away" and beam Zorn is the nuts. Retard..

You can't come up with anyone "worse"?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

He's a kicker for crying out loud!! And besides the kickoffs, he's not that great of a FG kicker.
And I did forget about Jemarcus Russell, but I'll give him a few more yrs. They might switch him to OT and he can have a long and respectful career..lol

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM

Scout's is my draft board of choice as well...only problem is that they only list seniors or those who have declared for the draft. Eric Berry will go in the top 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

From the "Beast" blog:

I realize Redskins fans only want to hear about the big names right now, but you're not going to turn this mess around with a single hire. Snyder needs to have a Plan B in case the Shanahan thing doesn't work out. Snyder and Cerrato had to settle on Zorn because they ran out of candidates. They can't let that happen again.

Uhhm, wrong Mr. Mosley, dead wrong. We've been watching Mike Rizzo at work slowly building the 'Natinals' into a world class front office that hopefully will translate rapidly into a world championship team.
Be real nice if Danny would pick someone like Rizzo to rebuild the front office and coaching staff of the Washington Redskins, followed by the talent pool of players.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Anything else you are just blowing sputum out the whale's blow hole.

So you mean that we need to draft something else or we'll be unable to breathe?

scout.com five-star OT, 2010:


OT 1 Russell Okung SR 6-5/300/- Oklahoma State Richmond, TX
OT 2 Trent Williams SR 6-5/290/- Oklahoma Longview, TX
OT 3 Selvish Capers SR 6-5/298/- West Virginia New Orleans, LA
OT 4 Ciron Black SR 6-5/322/- LSU Tyler, TX
OT 5 Charles Brown SR 6-6/295/- USC Pomona, CA
OT 6 Adam Ulatoski SR 6-8/310/- Texas Southlake, TX
OT 7 Zane Beadles SR 6-4/308/- Utah Midvale, UT
OT 8 Sam Young SR 6-8/320/- Notre Dame Fort Lauderdale, FL

Posted by: daggar | November 23, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Remember Sam Adams? That was the Skins 1st round pick used by Atlanta. Guess what he wasn't the highest ranked but he is starting at left tackle.
Draft OL. Anything else you are just blowing sputum out the whale's blow hole.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM |

Sam Adams is beer you shankopotamus. It was Sam Baker. Blow this out your blow hole.

Posted by: TheAnimalFarm | November 23, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

do you mean sam baker? cause sam adams was a DT and beer, not a draft pick of the atlanta falcons.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 23, 2009

True dat. Thank you for the correction.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I think the reason they aren't rushing cooley and portis to IR is we have to survive the season, whether we win another game or not we have to finish andorotect the health of the players by fielding a competent team, or attempting to at least

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, Vinny goes by his best available philosophy every round. I'm saying just do it in round one.

Ignoring the best available was the reason why they drafted Landry over Peterson.

I'm tired of explaining this though. I've tried explaining it several times... what's the point? You're obviously set on your line of thinking, I'm set on mine... it's going to be what it's going to be.

Agree to disagree.

Maybe it'll be better to do all of this when they actually have their slot in round one.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Remember Sam Adams?

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:10 PM |


Yes, I do.

A fine American patriot and a forefather of the country to whom we owe a debt of gratitude for his visionary work among the Founders.

Posted by: p1funk | November 23, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Sam Adams is beer you shankopotamus."


Maybe he can't remember the difference because he's had more of one and not enough of the other.

Whatever this means.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Sam Adams is beer you shankopotamus. It was Sam Baker. Blow this out your blow hole.

Sorry, see lots of whales hereabouts blowing all sorts of sputum from their blowholes ... reminds me fo this blog.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"And then on the second timeout, that use of timeout, that was just so frustrating to me. We hurt Jason on that play. I hurt him, because I didn't have the needed call, and we got caught on time again, where we had a shift and a motion and I had to call timeout because it wasn't gonna be [snapped in time]. It was just totally mine, totally on me. I screwed us out of that timeout. I did everything I could just to maintain my composure, and then it absolutely had an issue at the end of this football game, so it's just on me."

What?? What the hell is he even saying anymore? I wish JC would just purposely "throw a ball away" and beam Zorn is the nuts. Retard..

You can't come up with anyone "worse"?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

He's a kicker for crying out loud!! And besides the kickoffs, he's not that great of a FG kicker.
And I did forget about Jemarcus Russell, but I'll give him a few more yrs. They might switch him to OT and he can have a long and respectful career..lol

Posted by: ga8085 | November 23, 2009 2:14 PM

I really do have a concussion....I sure don't remember saying all of that.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | November 23, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Thank you and kudos for the comprehensive OT list Daggar!

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: daggar | November 23, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

That list is defienitely missing the juniors and one notable senior. Keep in mind that they may want to implement a rookie pay scale so a lot of juniors may come out this year.

projected first rounders

Bruce Campbell Maryland (junior)
Anthony Davis Rutgers (junior)
Brian Bulaga Iowa (junior)

projected second rounders
Jason Fox Miami (senior)
Gabe Carimi (junior)

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Campbell Maryland (junior)

Have you seen him play? He's had a terrible year and has to come back. If he comes out he's a 3rd rounder @ best.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Ignoring the best available was the reason why they drafted Landry over Peterson."

Memory loss at work here.

Adrian Peterson had an injured shoulder and injury history that scared teams off.

Just like Percy Harvin had an injury history that scared teams off.

Just like Dan Marino and Warren Sapp had drug allegations that scared teams off.

Look: when you have a top 10 pick, you take the guy who has dominated high level competition while in college.

An only one guy finds that definition at a position of need for the Washington Redskins: CJ Spiller.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

As of this week, there are no OL's sniffing the top 10 of NFL jersey sales.

http://insidenfl.nflshop.com/

As of November 14, 2009, there were 11 QBs, 2 RBs, 1 TE, and 1 Safety in the top 15 of NFL Jersey Sales.

From April 1 to June 30 2008, there were no OL in the top 25 of NFL jersey sales.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/122521

I'm pretty sure that it's safe to say that Offensive Linemen don't sell Jerseys.

Posted by: JMSinCHeights | November 23, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

In fact, if you go to the Redskins page on NFLShop.com, you are more able to find a Jason Taylor jersey for sale than any of the OL's.

Posted by: JMSinCHeights | November 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

This year is shot...might as well rest the key players..except for Albert. Get his fat butt out there. He hasn`t been in shape this year.
Should have never cut Mason in the first place. This team needs quick backs that can get through small holes. Portis with his ankle problems and now his head..is not up to doing an NFL type job.
FIRE VINNIE AND GET SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO DRAFT PLAYERS..THAT FIRST ROUNDER IS LOOKING BETTER AND BETTER WITH TEAMS LIKE OAKLAND, AND KC WINNING. WE MAY END UP HAVING THE SECOND PICK..AFTER THE BUC`S.
LET`S NOT USE IT ON OH..SAY A PUNTER.

Posted by: blazerguy234 | November 23, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

daggar

Your tackle list has more guys projected availiable in rounds 2-7 than 1-3.

Maybe this is a weak group like what folks says it is.

Which is why the skins should be working on a way to re-acquire a 3rd round pick.

With a 3rd rounder, you can go running back, quarterback, and draft linemen the rest of the draft.

Not like the skins would.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Campbell Maryland (junior)

Have you seen him play? He's had a terrible year and has to come back. If he comes out he's a 3rd rounder @ best.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Nope, I haven't seen him play yet but he is considered a top 10 pick on a lot of boards. I don't know what he's been doing recently but his stock is climbing very fast.

I have watched:
Russell Okung
Trent Williams
Selvish Capers
Anthony Davis
Bryan Bulaga
Charles Brown
Ciron Black
Adam Ulatoski

I have not watched:
Bruce Campbell
Zane Beadles
Gabe Carimi
Jason Fox
Sam Young

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 23, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I have watched Bruce Campbell, he was brilliant in those evil dead films!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 23, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

An only one guy finds that definition at a position of need for the Washington Redskins: CJ Spiller.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 23, 2009

Wrong: without blocking, without protection you have starting RB Portis multiple concussions. Backup Betts on the IR with ACL and MCL tears. What do you think will happen to Spiller. You don't need him. You can get guys like him through FA or trade. Draft OL. Draft OL. Draft OL. Stop dic?ing around and draft OL.

Posted by: periculum | November 23, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I enjoy going to Scout.com but let's slow down with the cutting and pasteing and saying this guy is better than that guy. This is their overall WR rankings from their 2008 board...

WR 1 Devin Thomas JR 6-2/215/4.50 Michigan State
WR 2 Malcolm Kelly JR 6-4/215/4.50 Oklahoma
WR 8 DeSean Jackson JR 6-0/172/- California
WR 11 Eddie Royal SR 5-10/181/4.39 Virginia Tech

Need I say more

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 23, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Folks, Say whatever you want to say but our team had some fight yesterday and that's all you can ask for at this time. So, don't blame JZ or Kicker for this game. We win as a team we lose as a team. Some of you lames on here should just jump ship and kick rocks.. Die hard 4 life.

Also, rest in peace 21#

Posted by: taylormade218 | November 23, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

If washingtons draft pick is 1-6 drop down in the draft and get 2-3 more picks..LT RB RT must be the first 3 picks. sign a veteran qb re-sign campbell and bring back brennan and the qb on the practice squad and have open competition,team may already have young guards and center on team with montgomery williams, and rinehart(if he can stop getting injured). you can't get everything in one draft. bring a GM in, I don't trust cerrato to be able to find any potentially good 0-lineman.

Posted by: wathu19 | November 23, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

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