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Portis unsure if he'll play Sunday

Running back Clinton Portis said on his weekly radio appearance that he hopes to play Sunday against the Broncos, but it's too early to know whether he'll be medically cleared.

"Of course, I'm going to have to fight back and forth with doctors and coaches," Portis said this afternoon on ESPN 980's "The John Thompson Show."

Coach Jim Zorn said Monday that Portis suffered a concussion in Sunday's 31-17 loss at Atlanta, and Portis would be doubtful for this weekend's game against the Broncos. Portis said today that this is the second concussion he has suffered as a football player. He said he suffered the first in college when the Miami Hurricanes faced the Florida Gators in the 2001 Sugar Bowl.

While he said he'd like to return quickly from the injury, Portis acknowledged that he doesn't want to risk further injury or long-term damage by returning too soon.

"I think me being on the field in the long run is more important than me trying to rush back to a game... I'm going to do whatever the proper requirements is...hopefully I'll be back on Sunday," he said.

Portis said he doesn't recall the hit that knocked him out of the Falcons' game, though he does recall the plays that preceded it. "They caught me slipping, finally after eight years," Portis said.

Portis also used his weekly radio appearance to candidly assess the team's recent struggles. He said that change could be on the horizon for the franchise and acknowledged that he could be a part of that change.

"People we've had here the longest, we just haven't gotten it done," he said.

He said quarterback Jason Campbell has been "given an unfair situation," with instability on the line, different offensive systems and a changing cast of receivers. Asked whether Campbell can be successful with Redskins, Portis said, "I'm not sure in D.C."

By Rick Maese  |  November 10, 2009; 3:14 PM ET
 
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Detroit wants to trade out of their first.

Trade our 2nd rounder and (if there is no cap) any of the following to them: CP, LL, ARE, Griff, Monty, R Thomas, Rabach, JC, Yoder, Rock.... etc. to get their 1st.

Take Okung and CJ Spiller in top 5 and rest O-line.

CJ SPILLER CJ SPILLER CJ SPILLER

If we pass on Spiller, its going to be as bad as passing on Peterson for Landry.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 10, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

*any, meaning MULTIPLE players.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 10, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

what a rudderless ship this is....jz doesn't have the balls to say he's out for sunday's game...ugh...what a gutless puke...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Portis' status is simple, show me you can go in practice, then you might get to play in the game. Duh

Posted by: VegasJim | November 10, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"People we've had here the longest, we just haven't gotten it done," Portis said.


And that's a fair and honest self-assessment.

Jon Jansen's, Chris Samuels', Todd Collins', James Thrash's, and Randy Thomas' time as redskins have come and gone.

The next round of former redskins might be named Smoot, Moss, Fletcher, Wynn, and Sellars.

Most of these guys are redskins longer than they need to be as the FO re-did deals to keep them around well past their prime.

The FO did that to collect free agents who usually took the money and ran.

A 3-13 season should mark and underscore the flaw in that policy.

And the sight of #26 leaving the building with a big check in tow should signal a new day is dawning on the redskins.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

dl, instead of using a pick on a RB, lets make the most of what we have now...portis is out of shape...he needs to get in shape, he needs to practice, he needs to play in the pre-season...no excuses...no running to the owner....all draft picks go to the OL...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

There's that beaner I know and hate, us getting along so much was creeping me out. The skins had finally gotten bad enough for you to get reasonable, guess you're over that.....CP IS D U N done. You don't get to the stage he is at in his career with the mileage and beatings he's taken and all of a sudden get in shape and good again. LT, Alexander, LJ, and on and on and on.....he's hit the wall and you've always overrated Betts. He's already got a nicked up ankle despite having like 20 carries on the season, he always gets hurt and he fumbles at crucial times. He had one great 10 game stretch 3 years ago now, he's mediocre, albeit he's better than CP right now but he's not the answer as a feature back and having CP and him split carries is just a recipe for the same plodding run game we've had for the last 5 years.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

SHTI!! I just physically looked at the standings and seeing effin Dallas at the top just makes my blood curdle . . . .

Can we have one more win? Can we please please please please please beat Dallas? Hey Skins can you pull it together for that?

Please . . .pphhpptt

Posted by: sfskin | November 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

zj, all I'm saying is lets get cp in shape, and see what we've got...get the spurs taken care of, get in shape, then go from there...

if all their picks don't go to the OL, then 2010 is a lost cause as well..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Please can we stop w/the trade portis talk and the bring back chase daniels talk.

Portis' contract makes him untradeable. Best that can happen is to cut him unless by some magic he gets into the shape greg was talking about.

And the only way to bring back Chase is to trade with NO. Trade for someone we picked up as an undrafted rookie FA.

And we wonder about Danny and Vinny...shesh!

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

if all their picks don't go to the OL, then 2010 is a lost cause as well..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

What do you determine a lost cause? Even if we get all lineman do you seriously believe we are contenders? If so, contending for what? Age and complacency rule this team, and it is going to take longer than one year to right this ship.

You are also assuming we will make smart choices in the off season. Who is to say we dont F it up all over again next year.

Let wait until after the draft and as you put it...."lets see what we got".

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

from the times:

Hall admitted he wasn't happy that it took so long for teammates to get to the scene. Justin Tyron was the first but he got engaged with other players. Only when Albert Haynesworth came to the sideline and pushed the pile backward did things cool down.

"Had that been anyubody else, I would have been the first one over there. That’s my makeup," Hall said. "I can’t speak for those other guys on the field but I’m ready to go to battle for them. That’s who I am. I’m always ready to mix it up. … It was a little frustrating not having the guys running (to help). The whole team is trying to get a piece of you."

Hall said he doesn't expect Falcons coach Mike Smith or anybody else from Atlanta to be penalized.

Of Smith, Hall said: "He was one of the guys that was definitely talking a lot of trash. I don’t know if he got so heated and emotional for the hit on his quarterback, which I can understand."

The league said earlier today it reviews all altercations like the Redskins-Falcons spat.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Portis should be on the bench for the foreseeable future. He wants to get back because if Betts is given some time and is successful, then he cannot use the offensive line as an excuse.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

...And we should all pray to what ever idol or deity of our choice that Vinny is gone next year.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Detroit wants to trade out of their first.

Trade our 2nd rounder and (if there is no cap) any of the following to them: CP, LL, ARE, Griff, Monty, R Thomas, Rabach, JC, Yoder, Rock.... etc. to get their 1st.

Take Okung and CJ Spiller in top 5 and rest O-line.

CJ SPILLER CJ SPILLER CJ SPILLER

If we pass on Spiller, its going to be as bad as passing on Peterson for Landry.

Posted by: Rypien11
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[1] I don't see how our high 2nd round pick plus one or more of those players would get their high 1st round pick.

[2] I'm certainly no expert on college players - what highly respected NFL draft evaluators are saying Spiller may be the next AP? And then what about our need for QB, if you're going to consider an RB as an exception to "go all Oline"... especially given the alleged high number of very talented QB's that'll be coming out in 2010 (maybe 6 or 7 in round 1).

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 10, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

What do you determine a lost cause?

The lack of qualify OL, and depth on the OL make this team/year a lost cause...

every other position on this team can be backfilled...but don't go OL through the whole draft and its all for naught....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

if all their picks don't go to the OL, then 2010 is a lost cause as well..

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse


CP is here no matter what, he's guaranteed way too much money to cut so he's on the squad. But we have to get a new/better back in the mix. Rock has got to go, and they have to draft a legit back for the future. I agree Oline has to be addressed, but I don't think it has to be an all oline draft. Sign a RG and RT, keep Heyer and BMW (as a guard), draft a LT high first round, and take two young oline late, but in that 2nd and 4th round picks the second can be QB and the 4th can be packaged in a deal to move up or simply stay there and take a young back. We need to shift our philosophy on drafting lineman for sure but signing two and draft 3 is fine. After this season from now on it should be mandatory that 1 pick a year in the top 3 rounds is spent on oline.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Next year is already a lost cause and most likely the year after as well. You guys really need to start thinking about 2013. That's why we are advocating keeping Campbell. We'll draft another QB in 2011 and let them compete in 2012. Maybe by 2013 we'll be ready to make a run. Not only do we have to build the line from scratch, they need time to gel. We also have some players that will need to be replaced.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I love how the Dude continues to give out his own injury reports -- while consistently contradicting his head coach. Mind you, it's a weekly occurrence... and pre-dates the last few coaching staffs.

Can you imagine any real head coach (for example, see Bill Belichick) tolerating such repeated and continuing insubordination from his players?

It shows me again that there's:
1) No player discipline or respect for the coaching staff
2) No truthfulness or accountability
3) No authority or control

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Jack, in an uncapped year (and everything is pointing that way) Portis is very cutable and should be cut.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Chas - I don't really care who our QB is next year. It could be Colt, Todd, JC again... doesn't matter to me. Whoever it is won't succeed without an O-line and a running game, which is why I am advocating Spiller and line, thats it.

Spiller might not be AP, but he is going to be something special, believe me, and we are going to regret passing on him if we do.

I don't know what else we'd have to give Detroit to move up a round, but I think we should make it happen. A 2nd, 3rd in 2011, and players? Either way, two in the top 5 would be huge.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 10, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

we still sitting at 28 on power rankings at least we didn't drop this week

Posted by: joevick | November 10, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

repost

It's funny how, whenever one of our players gets hurt or is under performing, the person in line to replace them "is not the long term answer", mostly because of age and mediocre skills. Great job building depth Vinny. Just amazing!

We are two - three years away, if we're lucky.

Posted by: edvar | November 10, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Jack, in an uncapped year (and everything is pointing that way) Portis is very cutable and should be cut.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

from a team standpoint yes I think he should be cut, but from a business standpoint it isn't going to happen. First off we aren't guaranteed to be getting an uncapped year yet and secondly do you really think Snyder wants to pay CP a $15 million plus salary to just cut him? I think Snyder made his bed and CP is here for at least one more season. Besides at the worst he's still quality depth so why cut that if you have to pay him anyway?

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I hate how eveyone keeps saying this year is deep with QBs. It is deep with mediocre QBs. That not a good reaosn to take one. We already have a mediocre QB. If we take a QB we need to take an elite prospect not another "maybe". There is no aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning type prospect this year. When Jimmy Clausen is at the top of the board you can wait. we need 2 tackles, a center, and a running back more than we need a Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The Dude is cancer in the locker room -- a clown-faced distraction on the sidelines -- and the perfect personification of the notion that all you really need to do to get ahead around here is to suck up to the owner and his cronies.

And unfortunately, the only GM/VP for football operations in the entire league who would now consider something as absurd as trading for CP26 already works for the Redskins -- and even someone as slowwitted as Vinny Bugeyes will eventually figure out there's no need to trade for another washed up, waste of space player -– especially if this loser is already on your roster.

So for better or worse, CP26 is our problem child to contend with for at least another season and a half -- and we should count the money committed to him as already spent -- wasted away and irrecoverable.

So now comes the decision on whether to keep CR26 on the active roster or just inactivate him already, write him off as a lost cause, and use his roster spot for someone else who actually wants to play here.

And regardless, while he is still on the payroll, perhaps the ownership group could recover at least some of their sunk costs in him by asking him to apply his waning talents to serving drinks, hors devours, and cigars in the owner's box -- like so many of the other nearly departed and/or over the hill gang that seem manage to hang on to some tortured and fleeting sense of their legacies by haunting the bowels and crevices of FEDEX Field on game days.

Posted by: Vic1 | November 10, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The lack of qualify OL, and depth on the OL make this team/year a lost cause...

every other position on this team can be backfilled...but don't go OL through the whole draft and its all for naught....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I am not disagreeing with you, however, even if we get all great lineman, they still will need some time to gel and come together. I personally believe that next year is close to a lost cause. I dont expect to get to the playoffs next year.

We need a True leader at QB and as a Coach. With the way Snyder dealt with Zorn, these High profile Coaches available dont seem likely to come here.

Cowher and Holgrem have already shown disdain for the way the FO has dealt with Zorn's situation.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I agree Oline has to be addressed, but I don't think it has to be an all oline draft... signing two and drafting 3 (Oline) is fine. After this season from now on it should be mandatory that 1 pick a year in the top 3 rounds is spent on oline.

Posted by: zjfr2
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Totally agree on this. We still need a talented QB, and work on getting a talented CP replacement/complement... and a lot of this can be done relatively quickly if we can get 1 or 2 good OL in FA this offseason.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 10, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I hate how eveyone keeps saying this year is deep with QBs. It is deep with mediocre QBs. That not a good reaosn to take one. We already have a mediocre QB. If we take a QB we need to take an elite prospect not another "maybe". There is no aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning type prospect this year. When Jimmy Clausen is at the top of the board you can wait. we need 2 tackles, a center, and a running back more than we need a Jimmy Clausen.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers went all of a couple picks in front of JC and 20 some picks behind Alex Smith......not a great example to support your point and I'm not sure if you've watched Clausen but he's nasty. Notre Dame is putting up ridiculous yardage on people and he is accurate, mobile, and has a great arm. You must not watch much college football either if you think a draft class of Pike, Keenum, Snead, Locker, Bradford, McCoy, Clausen, Randolph, and Pike is mediocre. Every prognosticator and draft guru out there is saying this is the deepest draft for quality QBs in a long long time and that there are going to be QBs going in the 2nd and maybe even the 3rd that other years would have round 1 grades.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

OK Jack, maybe I don't understand the process correctly. What money besides annual salary is Portis owed that would keep us from cutting him? If (and I know we are not at an uncapped year yet, but my bet is that there will be no cap next year) there is not a cap next year, then we are talking dead money. The reason we cannot cut Portis with a salary cap is because of the cap hit that would not allow us to sign other players. In an uncapped year that is not a problem and he can be cut without losing the ability to sign other players.

Please show me the error in my understanding.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

sorry bout the double Pike there, only one Tony Pike coming out this season.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

"But Portis missed holes at the start of the season when Samuels and Thomas were in the lineup together, albeit briefly."

name 1 Mayor, name 1 missed hole, what game ? what time?

"Ladell Betts displayed a burst rarely seen in Washington's rushing attack the last 16 games"

The line played better in the 2nd half, I didn't see any spectacular burst, and Betts is fresh cause he hasn't done much all year, especially not pass protect

"the way Portis slowed down in the second half last season (he rushed for at least 80 yards only twice in the final eight games in 2008)"

those games were against the best D's in the league, AND your not counting his receiving yards, AND Samuels and Thomas were hurt for some of those games too

"Philadelphia Eagles all-pro back Brian Westbrook is the second to none as an all-purpose runner."

Portis is 5th all-time and Westbrook isn't ahead of him on that list, so you are just plain wrong on this one

J reid you are soooo critical of Portis doing his job and yet you spew negative opinions without the facts to back it up, why don't you do your job?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

You must not watch much college football either if you think a draft class of Pike, Keenum, Snead, Locker, Bradford, McCoy, Clausen, Randolph, and Pike is mediocre. Every prognosticator and draft guru out there is saying this is the deepest draft for quality QBs in a long long time and that there are going to be QBs going in the 2nd and maybe even the 3rd that other years would have round 1 grades.

Posted by: zjfr2
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That's what I've been reading, so to me QB should be a serious consideration this draft, if we can also get enough done on Oline (including via FA signings), starting hopefully with Okung.

Posted by: chasgiffen | November 10, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Nazi Zombi Robots

Posted by: alex35332 | November 10, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

[He said quarterback Jason Campbell has been "given an unfair situation," with instability on the line, different offensive systems and a changing cast of receivers. Asked whether Campbell can be successful with Redskins, Portis said, "I'm not sure in D.C."]

Wow. Did Portis seriously just take a shot at management?

That's a story. More please.

Posted by: AppleScience | November 10, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Spiller might not be AP, but he is going to be something special, believe me"

Why would we trust you, are you a talent evaluator? It makes no sense when fans address think they know more than professionals who do it for a living.

Let the season run its course then we can evaluate talent. What if spillers tears a MCL next week? kinda seems silly to me

Posted by: skinball77 | November 10, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

CP is here no matter what, he's guaranteed way too much money to cut so he's on the squad. ...

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:44 PM

If Portis is here next year, it would be because of the personal relationship between Portis and The Owner ... or because The Owner really is as leveraged as I suspect. All signs point to next year being uncapped, so "dead cap space" from a roster cut like Portis won't matter. If he's here, its because The Owner either wants him here or PERSONALLY can't afford to pay for a replacement.

Posted by: dcsween | November 10, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Detroit wants to trade out of their first.

Posted by: Rypien11
++++++++++++++++

Gonna stop you right here. How do you know this already?

Posted by: REXskins | November 10, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

A note on Pike:

Pike broke his left forearm last season, had a plate inserted to help the healing, and returned after missing two games. The plate was damaged on a hit during a 34-17 win over South Florida on Oct. 15, and he had a new one inserted.

The recovery has been more difficult from this operation. Pike got a special splint late last week and was able to fully practice again for the first time in nearly three weeks.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

CP is here no matter what, he's guaranteed way too much money to cut so he's on the squad.

zj, but when I said I wanted for Portis to get in shape, you had a problem with this?? So if he's here,NO MATTER WHAT, why would you not want him in shape, practicing, and playing by the same rules as EVERYONE on the team??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers went all of a couple picks in front of JC and 20 some picks behind Alex Smith......not a great example to support your point and I'm not sure if you've watched Clausen but he's nasty. Notre Dame is putting up ridiculous yardage on people and he is accurate, mobile, and has a great arm. You must not watch much college football either if you think a draft class of Pike, Keenum, Snead, Locker, Bradford, McCoy, Clausen, Randolph, and Pike is mediocre. Every prognosticator and draft guru out there is saying this is the deepest draft for quality QBs in a long long time and that there are going to be QBs going in the 2nd and maybe even the 3rd that other years would have round 1 grades.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse


Using their actual draft position is not an indicator of their prospect value. That's like claming Heyward Bey was ranked higher than Crabtree just because he got drafted higher. Nobody in their right mind considered Heyward Bey an elite prospect. Aaron Rodgers was the best QB prospect in that class. He put up great numbers in the pac-10 without a rediculous supporting cast. He was graded by almost every scout as an elite prospect. Alex Smith was a concern simply because he didn't play in a BCS conference. Jason Campbell was a concern because of his all star supporting cast. Rodgers was ranked as a top 5 pick. He fell in the draft. We traded up to take Jason Cambell when most scouts had him going in the middle of the second round. As for these QBs, I have watched Clausen and the rest of them. The only one I haven't seen is Locker. I don't think any of them are worthy of a first round pick.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Please show me the error in my understanding.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

the error is pretty simple, most of his 7.2 million dollar base salary is guaranteed, plus significant signing bonuses are guaranteed as well. So uncapped or not, what's really gained by cutting the guy if you have to pay him anyway even if he falls to 3rd on the depth chart. It only makes sense to cut him if you're saving money, if he's such a problem that he is destroying the team, or you can significantly upgrade over him. Well, you can save money cutting Rock or Betts or both, and you have to pay CP anyway so whether there is a cap or not why not cut the worse players where you save money too, bring in fresh players and keep CP lower on the depth chart as quality depth since you have to pay him anyway.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Took the below excerpt from a PFT article where Glibert Brown rips GB HC MaCarthy. Zorn seems to have the same problem.

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"It is the head coach's fault," Brown said, per SportsRadioInterviews.com. "Everything that goes on starts with the big man upfront."

When it was pointed out to Brown that the Packers have personnel issues, which would seem to suggest that General Manager Ted Thompson is the problem, Brown said it's still McCarthy's job to find a way to win with the players he has.

"It doesn't matter," Brown said. "It doesn't matter with the talent and what you put on the field if you keep making mistakes week in and week out and you don't correct it and the same thing keeps going on."

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers went all of a couple picks in front of JC and 20 some picks behind Alex Smith......not a great example to support your point and I'm not sure if you've watched Clausen but he's nasty. Notre Dame is putting up ridiculous yardage on people and he is accurate, mobile, and has a great arm. You must not watch much college football either if you think a draft class of Pike, Keenum, Snead, Locker, Bradford, McCoy, Clausen, Randolph, and Pike is mediocre. Every prognosticator and draft guru out there is saying this is the deepest draft for quality QBs in a long long time and that there are going to be QBs going in the 2nd and maybe even the 3rd that other years would have round 1 grades.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 3:57 PM

It's all subjective. The senior class of QB is not talented. Only one QB with elite talent Bradford (arem strenght, accuracy, etc) and he's injured. As far a juniors go, Locker is another DT. He'll need time to develop his skills. Clausen seems like a player. The junior QBs have flags regarding arm strength or being a "system" QB. I think when it's all said and done, this is probably not the year to go after a franchise QB.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If Portis is here next year, it would be because of the personal relationship between Portis and The Owner ... or because The Owner really is as leveraged as I suspect. All signs point to next year being uncapped, so "dead cap space" from a roster cut like Portis won't matter. If he's here, its because The Owner either wants him here or PERSONALLY can't afford to pay for a replacement.

Posted by: dcsween

Portis will be back because he should be. I recall the everybody saying the same thing about Stephen Davis back in the day and look what happened when he left.

We make a habit of hating our best players and falling for journeymen.

Portis will be in DC for at least 2 more years.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

We need a True leader at QB and as a Coach. With the way Snyder dealt with Zorn, these High profile Coaches available dont seem likely to come here.

Cowher and Holgrem have already shown disdain for the way the FO has dealt with Zorn's situation.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 3:53 PM

I hate this comment, there are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs, period. People want these jobs, even the bad ones, they pay alot and most if all of these coaches have huge egos, some bigger than players, so they will find someone that wants the job...couple years ago, did anyone think Parcells would go to the happless Dolphins, most not, but he has a huge ego and wanted the challenge to create a legacy, all of them do.

Money still talks and Snyder is full of it.

We need at least 2 OT, 1 RB, 1 C and 1 Guard before need anymore QB's. I think we can get the OT, RB and maybe guard in the draft, and then possibly something to fill in FA. Whoever comes in here, IF they come in here, will hopefully be very creative on how we can stock draft picks, even if we have to give up picks and players. Realistically, we are not going to be very good next year, but it could happen.

Saints added some fine pieces over the year, including Grilliams and are undefeated

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

We should totally trade Portis for 3 first round picks.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

"...what highly respected NFL draft evaluators are saying Spiller may be the next AP?"


I don't want the next Adrian Petersen.

I'd like to have a running back more like a Chris Johnson or Byron Westbrook.

Spiller and Betts is a nice 'one-two' combo.

I'd like a guy who lines up all over the field.

Adrian Petersen is an I-back.

Spiller can catch, return, and run the ball.

He has track speed and a football player's mind: there is no better skill set combination for a player to have than this.

Nothing against Petersen.

But everything for the redskins embracing the idea that speed matters.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

zj, but when I said I wanted for Portis to get in shape, you had a problem with this?? So if he's here,NO MATTER WHAT, why would you not want him in shape, practicing, and playing by the same rules as EVERYONE on the team??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

of course I want him here and in shape and fully hope he can get back to what he was, but what I don't want is another year of this FO living in the past taking the "if we only get healthy" attitude towards old fading stars on the backside of their careers. My point is we need a young back for the future capable of helping immediately, not down the road and not some noname scrub off the street we need to add a legit running back to the mix. IF CP can regain form then great, mores the better, but we cannot take the same attitude that got us into counting on Samuels, Jansen, and Thomas to hold up by just thinking well we're alright at RB as long as CP gets healthy. The chances of that are not as likely as at this point what we've seen the last 8 weeks is what he is now.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

"It doesn't matter," Brown said. "It doesn't matter with the talent and what you put on the field if you keep making mistakes week in and week out and you don't correct it and the same thing keeps going on."

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 4:13 PM

Amen....Amen....Amen....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

did I dream the 1,478 yds Portis rushed for last year (behind a crap line)?

did I dream that Portis is 5th all-time avg yrds from scrimmage minimum 100 games (way f'in better than westbrook ever will be or ever was)?

did I dream all of the great blocks in pass protection that Portis has made (way way better than Betts)?

OR are there just a bunch of snyder-rrato clones writng articles and posting comments?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

to compare any offensive players from the Eagles system to any offensive players in the Redskins non-system is absolutely retarded.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

curz, game set match...we've been watching the same stuff since week 9 of last year....time for a change...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"So uncapped or not, what's really gained by cutting the guy if you have to pay him anyway "

zjfr2 -

What is gained is the roster spot and the message sent to all: work hard, train hard, shut up and produce!

I don't care if Dan waists 7 mil next year in an uncapped year paying some over the hill back who's not worth having around anymore. Not my problem. Same for El too.

Posted by: edvar | November 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The key phrase there would be "last year".

Portis has hit the wall that all running backs eventually hit. Would he be better with a good OL in front of him? Yes but he is not and will never again be what he was.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

did I dream the 1,478 yds Portis rushed for last year (behind a crap line)?

did I dream that Portis is 5th all-time avg yrds from scrimmage minimum 100 games (way f'in better than westbrook ever will be or ever was)?

did I dream all of the great blocks in pass protection that Portis has made (way way better than Betts)?

OR are there just a bunch of snyder-rrato clones writng articles and posting comments?

Posted by: pabrian2003

Well said! How soon we forget all of that. Only in DC can you go to the Pro Bowl one year and be completely worthless the next.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I would definitely cut Betts or Cartwright over Portis.

Say we get a stud RB in here through draft or whatever, the two of them would create a ridiculous tandem

Shelve Portis for the rest of the year, let him get fully healthy, let him go through preseason, if he doesnt make the grade then try and trade him or cut him, but I would prefer keeping the elite back, even if it is one year out of his status or two, then to keep a career subpar RB like Betts or Cartwright

Betts has shown nothing to the effect that he is the next Sproles, Bradshaw, Turner, etc. If we rest Portis til next season, let him fully heal, make him work out, run, etc, I think he would make a hell of a tandem with a younger smarter, faster version or better

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I actually don't think that Portis has lost it. I think he saw the line fall apart during the Steelers game and decided to give up then. I think he still has some left in the tank but we won't see it until the line gets better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

What is gained is the roster spot and the message sent to all: work hard, train hard, shut up and produce!

I don't care if Dan waists 7 mil next year in an uncapped year paying some over the hill back who's not worth having around anymore. Not my problem. Same for El too.

Posted by: edvar

A roster spot for who? Aldridge, Dorsey, or Marcus Mason?

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care if Dan waists 7 mil next year in an uncapped year paying some over the hill back who's not worth having around anymore. Not my problem. Same for El too."

LOL i bet you would care if it was your money. I am not sticking up for Snyder but your comment was simply moronic. That is his money he sure as heck doesnt want to pay a guy that much to leave. Would you pay for a guy to lay carpet in your house but before he started working on teh date agreed jsut say hey man thanks for showing up here is the cash, dont bother doign the work?

Posted by: skinball77 | November 10, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

sween- I think "dead cap space" doesn't apply in Portis' case. His $$$ is real, guaranteed cash money owed [something about his pockets getting even straighter], whether he's here or gone.

The 'dead cap space' would be for all the pro-rated, ammortized, already paid out $$$, that would simply "accelerate" onto the 2010 cap [or un-cap] when Thomas, Griffin, Smoot, ARE, etc. get cut.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I think he still has some left in the tank but we won't see it until the line gets better.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 4:26 PM

Agreed, I think he did not have a concussion or it was that bad, he just decided that he was tired of getting crap kicked out of him, surprised that JC hasnt tried it yet, all the Skins rage get hit and pretend to be injured collect salary and pass GO, wait for new coach and OL next year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

did I dream the 1,478 yds Portis rushed for last year (behind a crap line)?

Most of those yards were behind a solid, but aged veteran line. The first eight games. p-brain you keep ignoring the last 8-9 games where Portis only scored 2 TDs, fumbled 3 times, and had 3.2 yards/carry. After the line fell apart, yes so soon we forget. Keep promulgating the myths kid.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jack.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

No matter what, he gets paid. Do you want that under producer taking up a roster spot? If he's not starting (which he shouldn't), he most likely be a cancer in the locker room. It would be Moronic to keep him around.

Posted by: edvar | November 10, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Most of those yards were behind a solid, but aged veteran line. The first eight games. p-brain you keep ignoring the last 8-9 games where Portis only scored 2 TDs, fumbled 3 times, and had 3.2 yards/carry. After the line fell apart, yes so soon we forget. Keep promulgating the myths kid.
Posted by: periculum

I guess that all falls on him? You tell me what RB has success behind a boken down line? And don't say Barry Sanders.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"...to compare any offensive players from the Eagles system to any offensive players in the Redskins non-system is absolutely retarded."

Maybe, maybe not.

What you have to remember is that Andy Reid, like Zorn, is a Holmgren disciple.

They are WCO coaches.

The iggles are now the end result of Reid tinkering with the system over the years.

Zorn can't get his playbook dreams onto the field as without linemen, it morphs into a 3 downs and out nightmare.

Zorn can't get there as he has to deal with a FO that wants to prove it's composed of genius talent gurus who blame the world for its failures.

Do you think Reid has Zorn's issues when it comes to getting talent?

Do you think Reid or the FO chose McNabb?

Do you think Reid or the FO decided to rebuild the iggles o-line on the fly last off season?

Zorn doesn't have Reid's swag and never will: that's why comparing the iggles to the skins is a bad thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, I think he did not have a concussion or it was that bad, he just decided that he was tired of getting crap kicked out of him, surprised that JC hasnt tried it yet, all the Skins rage get hit and pretend to be injured collect salary and pass GO, wait for new coach and OL next year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

yea I'm sure he was faking a concussion. And then got the doctors to say that he had suffered a concussion.

Plus everyone knows if you're going to fake an injury you pull a hamstring.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | November 10, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Portis has missed 12 games in 8 years, Westbrook has missed 16 in 8

Portis has 11,659 all purpose yards, Westbrook has 9,657

Portis is 28 Westbrook is 30

So can we stop masturbating Westbrook already

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Jack, still stick to my guns on cutting CP.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, I think he did not have a concussion or it was that bad, he just decided that he was tired of getting crap kicked out of him, surprised that JC hasnt tried it yet, all the Skins rage get hit and pretend to be injured collect salary and pass GO, wait for new coach and OL next year.

Posted by: mhartz1 | November 10, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, JC won't have to fake it soon. He's going to get hurt bad very soon. We have some heavy hitters coming up. If he makes it past Dumervill he gets to look forward to Demarcus Ware and Trent Cole. He will also see Merriman and Tuck/Osi/Kiwanuka.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | November 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The key phrase there would be "last year".

Portis has hit the wall that all running backs eventually hit. Would he be better with a good OL in front of him? Yes but he is not and will never again be what he was.


Posted by: Original_etrod

no the key word is "crap line" you synd-rrato clone

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Portis has missed 12 games in 8 years, Westbrook has missed 16 in 8

Portis has 11,659 all purpose yards, Westbrook has 9,657

Portis is 28 Westbrook is 30

So can we stop masturbating Westbrook already

Posted by: pabrian2003

The only difference is if Westbrook was in a Skins uniform we would beg the FO to cut him and replace him with Dominique Dorsey.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Well said! How soon we forget all of that. Only in DC can you go to the Pro Bowl one year and be completely worthless the next.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Not only in DC. I think people might be comparing Portis to a similar situation to Shaun Alexander. After he won the NFL MVP, hos career basically went straight downhill and fast.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=2150

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | November 10, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"A roster spot for who? Aldridge, Dorsey, or Marcus Mason?"

Let's see who's out there next year. Between the draft and FA, we should be ok with a competent GM calling the shots. (BIG caveat!)

Posted by: edvar | November 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Most of those yards were behind a solid, but aged veteran line. The first eight games. p-brain you keep ignoring the last 8-9 games where Portis only scored 2 TDs, fumbled 3 times, and had 3.2 yards/carry. After the line fell apart, yes so soon we forget. Keep promulgating the myths kid.
Posted by: periculum

I guess that all falls on him? You tell me what RB has success behind a boken down line? And don't say Barry Sanders.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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You are arguing the same point.

A) The OP said the line was crap
B) Periculum called shenanigans (for 8 games)

You said it wasn't all on Portis, which agrees more with B than it does A.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

"I don't care if Dan waists 7 mil next year in an uncapped year paying some over the hill back who's not worth having around anymore. Not my problem. Same for El too."

LOL i bet you would care if it was your money. I am not sticking up for Snyder but your comment was simply moronic. That is his money he sure as heck doesnt want to pay a guy that much to leave. Would you pay for a guy to lay carpet in your house but before he started working on teh date agreed jsut say hey man thanks for showing up here is the cash, dont bother doign the work?

Posted by: skinball77 | November 10, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank you! Snyder certainly has shown he is willing to accept dead money but in every player scenario in reality he has saved money against the cap by making the cut except Jansen and that was necessity cause we needed the roster spot and with coaches, but the difference there is there is only one head coach, there are 3 running backs on a team and CP is not the worst back on our team. So you guys are advocating hanging on to worse backs over a guy who at one time was an elite back could perhaps be that again (%'s suggest otherwise but its possible, just don't freaking count on it!) and who takes up one of 3 spots and who you actually owe more money to if you cut (accelerates down the line guaranteed cash, always cheaper to pay with future money than current money thanks to inflation and ability to leverage/earn interest on the dollars between now and then) than if you keep him plus the fact that he would be a higher quality backup then you have now if you found a new guy and could still be great. It makes no sense to cut CP unless he goes all Terrel Owens which he may be capable of but hasn't yet.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 10, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

no the key word is "crap line" you synd-rrato clone

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse


"Crap line" is 2 words, you tiny-brained wiper of other people's bottoms.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 10, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Snyder certainly has shown he is willing to accept dead money but in every player scenario in reality he has saved money against the cap by making the cut except Jansen and that was necessity cause we needed the roster spot and with coaches, but the difference there is there is only one head coach, there are 3 running backs on a team and CP is not the worst back on our team.

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That sentence was so long I was out of breath when I finished reading it.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 10, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If next year is an uncapped year, the Redskins should take the hit and release Portis as he has seen his better days. Even if he were to regain his health, the Redskins need a younger back with breakaway speed. His attitude and work ethic has also rubbed a lot of his teammmates the wrong way.

He may be correct about the problems on the O-Line and instability at WR, but those are matters that he should keep to himself. I admire his toughness, but he's been on a downhill slide since he hurt his knee half way through last season and it was obvious during preseason that he wasn't in playing shape.


Posted by: wizfan89 | November 10, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Snyder put the Sheeny Curse on Portis!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 10, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Young OT or OL men on any developmental squads we could raid now and try to develope, I think one of our castoffs from 2008 is starting for the colts. Hmmm lets just see.....

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 10, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Alright this is great news! Now the Redskins have got a chance to win the game against the Broncos. Now one down a couple more to go. Hopefully someone can lay out D. Hall, and L. Landry and put them out for the season. They are wastes of space on the roster anyways. Maybe Dawkins can put some stank on hit and blow up D. Thomas or Malcolm Kelly. The funniest would be a safety blitz on the Soupster and finish his career as a Skin on a gurney where he belongs!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 10, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Why are we hating on Portis? We should be hating on the reason Portis is here with a picture next to the definition of 'unmovable'.

Danny slings around these back-loaded deals like they are poker chips, and we have been annually stuck with players who know that someday - regardless of their performance - they are going to get a huge payday *Insert Wall Street Joke Here*.

We don't have cap room to make changes and we don't have draft picks to replace them because we package those away for OTHER teams back-loaded mistakes.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | November 10, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato played a cop in a 90's B-movie called "Kindergarten Ninja"?? You cannot make this stuff up...this just keeps getting better and better.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 10, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Yo Clinton--

Read the New Yorker piece from a few weeks back on football related brain in injuries. Read carefully the part about returning too soon from a concussion.

You're gonna need your brain after you retire.

Posted by: TheCork | November 10, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse


Most of those yards were behind a solid, but aged veteran line. The first eight games. p-brain you keep ignoring the last 8-9 games where Portis only scored 2 TDs, fumbled 3 times, and had 3.2 yards/carry. After the line fell apart, yes so soon we forget. Keep promulgating the myths kid.
Posted by: periculum

I guess that all falls on him? You tell me what RB has success behind a boken down line? And don't say Barry Sanders.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse
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You are arguing the same point.

A) The OP said the line was crap
B) Periculum called shenanigans (for 8 games)

You said it wasn't all on Portis, which agrees more with B than it does A.


Posted by: mattsoundworld

Upon further review, you are correct. I'm so used to the Snyder-eque thought patterns that I didn't see p's statement clearly.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Rypien, I'd LOVE to think we could trade those bums and our 2nd for the #1 pick overall but that ain't gonna happen. Most of the guys you mention have little/no trade value. Laron might garner some interest, his talent alone will be intriguing to another team even though he's an underachieving bum. No chance you could package him and a 2nd for a 1st though, IMO

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 10, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE PLEASE OH PLEASE HIRE A GM..its looking like we can get the number one.. the season is very easily forgotten ( and thats sayin a bunch) if someone at the wheel has a plan and knows what they are doing.. PLEASE PLEASE OH PLEASE HIRE A GM please.

Posted by: cboyhater | November 10, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SHTI!! I just physically looked at the standings and seeing effin Dallas at the top just makes my blood curdle . . . .

Can we have one more win? Can we please please please please please beat Dallas? Hey Skins can you pull it together for that?

Please . . .pphhpptt

Posted by: sfskin | November 10, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse
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It shouldn't make you mad... we can't compete with TB or Det... LOL

Yes, for bragging rights, a win against Dallas would be nice, but I stopped getting upset once I realized nothing will get better until the Skins FIRE VINNY CERRATO!

He is like the queen of England... a figure head, we all know who the secret GM of the Skins really is.... DAN SNYDER!

Posted by: tony325 | November 10, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't want the #1 pick. I almost never would. So rarely is a guy worth money (Peyton Manning, Adrian Peterson, Bernie Parmalee are obvious examples).

Wish list for offseason, it's so simple:
1)Fire/demote/emsaculate Vinny (like he did JZ)
2) Fire JZ (great guy, not my coach of the future)
3)Fire Blache, Sherman Smith, send Sherm Lewis back to the bingo
4)Hire Gibbs as Team Prez
5)Gibbs hand picks a GM - younger Pollian, Parcels, Ozzie Newsome, etc.
5)GM, in consult with Gibbs, hires coach
6)Let JC walk if he won't take backup money
7)Trade down from early to mid-late 1st round, pick up extra 2nd rounder. Draft Locker or Clausen in 1st round, 2 O-linemen in the 2nd round, then best available RB and linemen on either side of the ball thereafter.
8)Maybe give Hall/Landry 1 more year but I'm leaning toward jettisoning the bums

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 10, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

did I dream that Portis is 5th all-time avg yrds from scrimmage minimum 100 games (way f'in better than westbrook ever will be or ever was)?

did I dream all of the great blocks in pass protection that Portis has made (way way better than Betts)?

OR are there just a bunch of snyder-rrato clones writng articles and posting comments?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 4:19 PM


LOL!! Did i just read that? Please...I love the Skins but Brian Westbrook is SO MUCH BETTER then Portis will EVER be.

Sorry bro..I love the Skins but I know talent when I see it and...uh...on the field....Westbrook, when healthy, is WAY better.

Look up the stats or just use the "eye test" to validate it.

Cmon MAN!!

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | November 10, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Rex - I heard it somewhere, not sure where.

Notorious - I dont think Det will have the #1 overall - im thinking 3-5 range... and id be happy to get rid of many of those guys and a lower 2011 pick if it would make it work.

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 10, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Portis should sit Sunday. A concussion is nothing to fool around with.

Also, anyone watch the game last night?

I thought of Landry when I saw Champ Bailey go low and whiff on Hines Ward (who simply hopped over Bailey and scored a TD).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

to Tampa bay the only stat Westbrook is better in is receiving yards, so you get your eyes checked and look at the stats!

Andy reid and mcnabb have been together in the same system longer than any duo in the history of the NFL!

Portis is statistically better FACT, so check it loser, BEFORE you start masturbating an Eagle

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook is a great fit in a great system, he's not really a RB, he's a WR out of the backfield

Portis could grind out his yards in any system, or like the last 5 years NO system

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Clinton Portis! In fact I hope he suits up. One more zinger like the one he took last Sunday would essentially finish his career and we could move on with a younger back. Why on earth would you give a running back pushing 30 a multiyear extension? Oh yeah I know why because our cap is so banged up that we need to rework every single deal just to be able to field a team every season. Clinton is a joke! Good riddance! The Broncos and Skins used him up while he was worth something, but now its time to drop him like yesterdays snot rag. Thanks for nothing, loser!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 10, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

The Saints don't have a 1st round pick on the starting O-line! What a novelty!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 10, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Also, anyone watch the game last night?

I thought of Landry when I saw Champ Bailey go low and whiff on Hines Ward (who simply hopped over Bailey and scored a TD).

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 10, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Really? You're think Landry belongs in the same sentence as Landry? Landry can't even carry his brother's jock, let alone Champ's.

I thought it was cool to finally see the mad genius who is running Pittsburgh, Kevin Colbert, Director of Football Ops.

That is the guy this team needs. Builds through the draft, judiciously signs FA's, works with a limited budget, and fields a championship caliber team year in, year out.

Hiring a guy who knows more about football than the owner and willing to work in relative anonymity w/o a radio show is probably crazy talk.....never mind.

Posted by: ksquare | November 10, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

It's all Snyder's fault! Someone must have put the ol' Sheeny Curse on him!

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 10, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

pabrian/peabrain = chooch.

Posted by: ksquare | November 10, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, my prediction for the next HC of the Washington Redskins ........

Greggggggggggggggggg Williams

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I think this whole big deal about Soupy not having played in the same system is a bunch of bull. Football is football, yes there are different styles or systems but its football. Jason Campbell has just proven that he doesn't possess the intellect to adapt to the game. I mean with most QB's regardless of the system you know what you have within 2 - 3 seasons tops. Jason is going on 5 seasons and the boy can't cut it. He does not have possess the smarts upstairs. Good QB's need to be smart guys. Most of the young guys struggling are just real dumb like J. Campbell, V. Young, J. Russell, T. Jackson. They aren't rocket scientists by any stretch.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 10, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Soupy is also pushing 28 years old. He's not much a QB of the future, this is as good as it gets with him. At 28 a QB should be in his prime, not trying to figure out what he is. He's no better than a back up who can hand the ball off a couple of times per game while the starter take a breather or recovers from an injury.

Posted by: ElBigChroizo | November 10, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

GUESS WHAT FELLOW REDSKIN AND NFL FANZ.

IN THE PAST 20 YEARS...

EVERY SUPERBOWL WINNING QB HAS/HAD A PRO-BOWL APPEARANCE ON HIS RESUME!!!!!!!!!!

THAT STAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THIS YEAR

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins need both O-linemen and a QB. Finding starting O-linemen in later rounds is easier than finding a starting QB.

We seriously need to trade down and acquire more picks. If we cannot then, I advocate using our top pick on a Tackle. However, we still need to find a damn QB, or we will continue to struggle.

*trust me* folks. There is a reazon that winning percentage is a stat often associated with QB's. When I say to bet on the team with the better QB, it is b/c the QB did not become good by losing. And please don't insult my intelligence perineum, for it takes two to argue. I actually laughed hard at your jellyfish comment; we are both two drops in the ocean my friendo!

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Pabrian is right. We shouldn't hate on Portis because he showed up for camp out of shape, sat out the preseason, showed no burst, ran into the back of his lineman on more than one occasion, threw his teammate under the bus, does his usual find-a-nice-place-to-fall-down-within-two-yards-of-the-LOS routine on most runs and carries a crippling salary cap hit. Let's celebrate the fact that CP is tied for the team lead in rushing touchdowns with his back up and an injured punter.

Posted by: mack1 | November 10, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

...you clearly do not know football or least today's version.


Posted by: Inconsistent Fool | November 7, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse


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This comment coming from a blogger who keeps yapping to us about Gibbs and the 80's Redskins teams.

Move on.

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

to Tampa bay the only stat Westbrook is better in is receiving yards, so you get your eyes checked and look at the stats!

Andy reid and mcnabb have been together in the same system longer than any duo in the history of the NFL!

Portis is statistically better FACT, so check it loser, BEFORE you start masturbating an Eagle

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 5:35 PM

LOL!! Dude...I'm a Redskin fan but I know who is good and who is pretty good.

I like Portis but his time has come and gone. He's done!!

Check out YARDS FROM SCRIMMAGE the past FIVE years and tell me who is statistically better?? CMON....DO IT!!

I dont like the Pigeons but you making a dumb a$$ assumption that Portis is better is strictly a bama a$$ gump move. Or just a Redskin blinders move.

Stop riding the wave bro and come back to reality

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | November 10, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Use the picks on OL ... and more OL, unless Taylor Mays is in the mix. CJ Spillers are like street cars ... there's always another one coming next year. Look at Ricky Williams, etc. We still need 4-5 starting lineman and then depth. And a corner back or two. I am not a Portis fan but it sure seems like there is plenty left in Portis and Betts to do the job if they give them a line. And together they are paid more than any running back tandem in the NFL. Might as well use them while rebuilding the rest of the offense ... then after next year its a different story. And Puhhhleeese no more quarterbacks!!! You get can get a fine quarterback through free agency. You aren't going to find a franchise QB drafting first. AND NO, vicc-pencil-neck, Rivers is NOT a franchise QB, and neither is Alex Smith nor Brady Quinn. And Tom Brady WAS NOT a first round pick like Bledsoe was.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

This comment coming from a blogger who keeps yapping to us about Gibbs and the 80's Redskins teams.

Move on.

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009

The above comment by a cretin whose IQ is measured by his hat-size, A pimply faced shrimpy college student who would bet all of his savings just on who the starting quarterback is in the superbowl. What a moron.
Get a job. Get a real job.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

The Saints don't have a 1st round pick on the starting O-line! What a novelty!

Posted by: natsfan007 | November 10, 2009

Jammal Brown, selection #13 in 2005 a tackle. Started almost every game last year. He is still part of their depth. The Redskins also have 2 first round picks now with Levi Jones and Mike Williams.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Use the picks on OL ... and more OL, unless Taylor Mays is in the mix. CJ Spillers are like street cars .

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 6:36 PM

I think this team needs to come away with a play maker on offense this off-season as well in addition to OLmen. It doesn't have to be Spiller, but in rounds 2-4 they should consider grabbing one. In free agency guys like Sproles or Leon Washington could be options aw well, if they hit the market.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

GUESS WHAT FELLOW REDSKIN AND NFL FANZ.

IN THE PAST 20 YEARS...

EVERY SUPERBOWL WINNING QB HAS/HAD A PRO-BOWL APPEARANCE ON HIS RESUME!!!!!!!!!!

THAT STAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THIS YEAR

Posted by: Vicc | November 10, 2009 6:01 PM


Just a question Vicc....

Did Dilfer go to the pro bowl? Did Eli before he won the SB?

Did Roethlisberger before he won his FIRST?

Just asking.....not so much a comment...just a question that I would like answered because I don't know the answer.

OH...and did Rypien? D. Williams? just asking?

I honestly dont know but I would like to know?

You said "everyone" so I'm just asking...not challenging.

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | November 10, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Portis,
Do all of the fans a favor: sit down and shut up. Sit out the games and get healthy and then don't ever use some lame excuse about a mediocre injury to get out of practice again. Practice hard. Play hard. Leave the league knowing you did your best. Do this because all of the fans are just sick of you, you lazy sycophant!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

If I hear Zorn or Campbell say rythm or detail one more time I'll freakin scream.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

You get can get a fine quarterback through free agency.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 6:36 PM |

You'd have a better chance of getting a STD. No team with a good QB ever lets the dude become a FA. SD (not STD) did let Brees go but he was a real risk with a surgical shoulder.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

No team with a good QB ever lets the dude become a FA. SD (not STD) did let Brees go but he was a real risk with a surgical shoulder.

Favre seems to be doing pretty well. Cutler, Oort, lots of QB movement this year. I think signing someone like David Carr along with Colt would be plenty ... and guess what Campbell might prove to be a good QB ... somewhere else.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

A Rogue's List of Vicc's "great" superbowl quarterbacks:
Daryle Lamonica (replaced many times by Pudgy George Blanda former LB of the Chicago Bears, Craig Morton, Billy Kilmer, Ron Jaworski, David Woodley, Joe Theismann, Jim McMahon, Tony Eason, Boomer Esiason (D-avg at the University of Maryland), Mark Rypien, Stan Humpheries, Neil O'Donnell (another UMD grad), Jeff Hostetler, Drew Bledsoe, Steve McNair, Trent Dilfer, Kerrry Collins, Kurt Warner, Rich Gannon (remember the year he played for the Skins? Pretty miserable, Campbell is far superior.), Brad Johnson, Chris Chandler, Jake DelHomme, Rex Grossman ...
Again, vicc, Vegas must love you because your whole theory is idiotic. A quarterback was more important before they stopped calling their own plays. Now its more about the system, the team surrounding them and the coaches.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Please do not listen to some of these idiots that are advocating spending all our picks on O-lineman...

Here's SICWIDIT's 3 year plan

Draft (no particular order)
I would draft the best player available with a high first round pick or trade back for more picks

QB
LT
RT
MLB
RB
G/C
Kick Returner/WR (the fastest muthafugga that's left)

Year 2

DT
G
C
CB
FS
RB
CB

Year 3

RT
G
DE
DT
LB
LB
CB


Free Agent pickups Year 1

CB (top need)
G (top need; open up the wallet for a top
RG)
LB (to move Orakpo back to DE full time
RB (cheap change of pace vet)
RB may go heavy on RB in free agency


The Skins MUST:

Address MLB position
Address Oline with youth and depth
Address QB position; JC only as backup, and would trade him for picks
This team needs a FRANCHISE QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know the Oline is important but we need a fearless, young, skilled QB

You'll find my analysis to be an accurate one!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 10, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Question y'all...

Are you feeling like me...that if we cut bait with our young WR's this year, we may regret it?

Not ready to cut bait yet...bad QB...bad O line....I need more time!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 10, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Question y'all...

Are you feeling like me...that if we cut bait with our young WR's this year, we may regret it?

Not ready to cut bait yet...bad QB...bad O line....I need more time!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 10, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

bring back andrew crummey... he's on the texans practice squad...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 10, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

bring back andrew crummey... he's on the texans practice squad...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 10, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Finding starting O-linemen in later rounds is easier than finding a starting QB.

Except for the end of the sixth round. That is where magic happens.

Posted by: daggar | November 10, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

peri

"...CJ Spillers are like street cars..."


So you think players like Devin Hester, Darren Sproles, Byron Westbrook, Wes Welker, Joe Cribbs, Percy Harvin, Chris Johnson, DeSean Jackson, and Adrian Petersen are a dime a dozen?

The modern NFL is about speed and versitility.

A guy who can 'flip the field' is just as important as a left tackle who can block a stellar defensive right end.

I guess you didn't notice the redskins didn't have a player who could run with Mike Turner the other day, did you?

The stillers won last year's Super Bowl with a mediocre offensive line, stand out defense, and wide outs who made plays.

And how did they improve their offense?: they added a guy named Mike Wallace who has 4.3 speed.

Speed kills: it's the new street car we redskins fan desire.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

If ones level of evaluating talent is at a high school level ( Vinny) one would select high school level talent. If ones level of evaluating talent is at a pro level ( Ozzie Newsome) one would select pro level talent. The headcoach will then coach these players to the level of the headcoaches' ability. So, Zorn has done all that he can do and "it is what it is".....a poorly coached, unprepared team playing at a high school level (offensively)

Posted by: kingpenn1 | November 10, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse


GUESS WHAT FELLOW REDSKIN AND NFL FANZ.

IN THE PAST 20 YEARS...

EVERY SUPERBOWL WINNING QB HAS/HAD A PRO-BOWL APPEARANCE ON HIS RESUME!!!!!!!!!!

THAT STAT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE THIS YEAR

Posted by: Vicc

When did Trent Dilfer make a Pro Bowl?

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Sic, am w/you 100% on the young pass catchers. What we need is a cook who knows how to cook regardless of what groceries are in the cupboard.

Well, that and someone who knows how to shop...

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The Skins MUST:

Address MLB position
Address Oline with youth and depth
Address QB position; JC only as backup, and would trade him for picks
This team needs a FRANCHISE QB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know the Oline is important but we need a fearless, young, skilled QB

You'll find my analysis to be an accurate one!


Posted by: rickyroge

You are better than this. I expect more from you than this Snyder-esque comment. O-line is a must before any "Franchise QB" is taken.

There are only 4-5 in the league now. The last thing I want to do is blow a high pick on a QB. None of the QBs this year (or any other) are that great. Good, but not great.

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

dcwun...

I respect your opinion but disagree...

The Steelers Oline is just ok, but it's Rothlisbergers skill set that allows him to be successful


Example 2

The Packers Oline stinks and they are 4-4. Aaron Rodgers may not statistically be better than JC but he makes plays despite the O line.


I WOULD NOT TAKE AN O-LINEMAN IF BRADFORD OR ANOTHER TOP QB IS AVAILABLE unless you want a Leinhart, Quinn, Carr, etc.

Posted by: rickyroge | November 10, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This is the attitude that the Redskins Coaches need to have. No more free rides!!

==================

Giants kick tires on 14 prospects
Posted by Mike Florio on November 10, 2009 8:36 PM ET
In what could be a strong message to some of the 53 men currently on his 5-4 team, a league source tells us that coach Tom Coughlin brought in a whopping 14 free agents for visits on Tuesday.

Fourteen.

.....

But the point possibly has been made -- Coughlin won't hesistate to make changes if the Giants don't change the outcomes of their games.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Sic, I think some of the confusion comes from the term "franchise QB". Gibbs won three SBs without one.

Although it would be nice to have one, what the Skins really need from the QB position is someone who is smart enough to read defenses and has a quick release.

This does not have to be a "franchise QB", which I do not think that Aaron is, but a competent QB.

That and a coach that knows how to use him.

Posted by: Curzon417 | November 10, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

It's time to cut ties with Portis.....cut him after this season! I hate to say it but he doesn't have it any more. He doesn't have the burst that he did and he doesn't seem to finish runs. I think he was great a year or two ago, but it seems like the injuries have caught up to him. Maybe it's time to let him go....

Posted by: jcrabbe1 | November 10, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Why does anyone believe ANY of our players have any trade value? Seriously? The Raiders got a 4th for Randy Moss What do you think we'll get for our bums?

Posted by: diesel_skins_ | November 10, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

What We've Learned
By: JOHN KEIM
Examiner Staff Writer
11/10/09 7:48 AM EST


…Safety LaRon Landry has not had the season many envisioned. His speed can prevent big plays down the field. However, he consistently takes bad angles to the ball – which has allowed big plays. He did that on Michael Turner’s 33-yard run, giving him an easy cutback lane. And he tried to roll at Turner’s feet on his 58-yard run. That’s the sort of tackle you can get away with in college, but not against a back such as Turner. Landry talked this summer about improving his angles; it hasn’t happened.

...No play caller has a chance to succeed with this Redskins’ offensive line. It’s amazing that the Redskins thought they actually had good depth at this area entering the season. Well, amazing is one word to describe it. There are others. The Redskins are on pace to allow 56 sacks (their most since a 61-sack season in 1998). But it doesn’t help when the established players – such as fullback Mike Sellers – whiff on blitz pickups. Actually, all he tried to do was nudge the blitzing corner. What separates teams is the details of the game. Washington falls short in this area.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Raiders got a 4th for Randy Moss What do you think we'll get for our bums?

A second.





For the lot of 'em.

Posted by: daggar | November 10, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

cont.

…Rookie end/linebacker Brian Orakpo gets it. He won’t pose after sacks or celebrate in some look-at-me fashion. Why? It’s not that he’s against celebrations, but he is against them when his team is losing and has a bad record. Orakpo continues to look like a real good draft pick. He is still improving as a linebacker, but he’s rushing with a fury. Twice he broke through two blockers en route to the quarterback Sunday.

…Running back Ladell Betts gave the ground game some energy after Clinton Portis exited with a mild concussion in the first half. Betts hit the holes hard and ran in synch with the offensive line. It helps to have a running back with fresh legs who can practice. It’ll be interesting what he can do with a full game. Betts is not effective when he carries a handful of times. Rather, he needs more carries to find his rhythm.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Rather, he needs more carries to find his rhythm.

If I hear another @#$%@#$%@ about #$%#$%#$ ##$%#$%3s needing to find their @%@%#$^# rhythm...

I mean, they all have @#$%@#$@#$ iPods. This CANNOT be that hard. You press the button, the song comes on, there's your @#$%@#$ing rhythm!

Posted by: daggar | November 10, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

"It's time to cut ties with Portis.....cut him after this season!"


So you're suggesting that in order to re-gain goodwill with his team's fanbase, Dan Snyder should spend $7.5 million to pay Portis to leave and fire Vinny Cerrato?

Sounds like a plan.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

FF Update

Week 9 is done and what a crazy weekend it was in the Peeps league.

When the dust cleared on Tuesday morning, all 3 leaders had lost. The 3 way tie at the top had turned into a 4 way tie at the top. Once again, BYE week issues and injuries played a big part.

The marquee matchup was Redcoat's league leading Fins against my Futaleufu Swimmers. It was wet and wild, as the league's two top scoring teams provided the two top scores of the week. Each team had an RB go huge (C Johnson and D Williams) and plenty of double digit scorers. It was a nailbiter, coming down to the last quarter of play. When mcnabb misfired late, the Futa (6-3) held on to eke out a 118-112 win over Fins (6-3). Both teams are now part of the 4-way logjam at the top of the league. It is worth mentioning that Fins had 1 player on a bye week ... Adrian Peterson.

Another leader that went down were the Buffaloes (6-3) to Alex's Zombie Hord (5-4) with a final of 88-73. The Seahawk defense played key role for Alex in the win.

Monday night determined the outcome of several matches. Nate (3-6) and Tampa (5-4) entered the night tied, but Tampa had 2 players going, so the outcome was never really in doubt, with Tampa winning 68-59.

There were 2 contests headed into Monday night, with each team playing one player. 4-12 (3-6) and Future Winners (4-5) were separated by 2 points and the first place Jackalopes trailed the Steers by 3. A third contest had Skulls (3-6) leading by 7 over the East Coast Shaft, but only the Shaft (4-5) had a player going in Monday's game.

A TD pass from Big Ben to Mike Wallace with 7 minutes to go brought two teams, Shaft and Future, from behind and into a 2 point lead.

The Shaft opened it up from there for an 83-76 win, while Future held on by the narrowest of margins to win, 92-91.

The Jackalopes (6-3) held close for a while, but a Hines Ward TD put the game out of reach, with the Steers (3-6) winning 82-67. Ward and Turner combined for 48 points to lead the Steers.

The entire league is bunched within 3 games of each other, with 4 games to play before the playoffs. Parity rules and a wild finish is pretty much assured!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse


The Hamsters rocked the wheel this week.

The Ham Stweengs (4-5) and the league leading Trippin' Billies (7-2) went at it in a key game for both teams. Stweengs had a 27 point lead going into Monday night, courtesy of a huge game from da Bears Greg Olson. But, the Billies had 3 players going on Monday that averaged a combined 25 points per game. By the time the 4th quarter rolled around, the Billies had pulled within 5. But at the 2 minute warning, the Billies still trailed by 2. And in a dramatic twist, the Steelers, instead of running out the clock in the final minute, threw a meaningless TD pass to Hines Ward that put the Billies into the win column, 100-95.

The Coproliths (and I know what that means now and wish I didn't) motored out to a 111-86 win over the Kookaid Kids (2-7). Copro (5-4), the leagues top scoring team, had a combined 54 points from Chris Johnson and Randy Moss.

58 proved a lucky number twice this week, unlucky once. Butz (2-7) took care of the Realskins (5-4) by a final of 58-38. Ray Rice led Butz with 18.

58 also proved enough for Zornskins (6-3), as he topped cL's F Bombers (4-5) in a close one, 58-53. 23 of Zorny's points came in the Sunday night game, just enough to decide a contest that came down to the final minutes of play.

58 wasn't enough, however, for Alpa Chino (3-6). The Cal Salmon (7-2) overcame bye week issues with RBs to win, 109-58. The WR trio of Larry Fitzgerald, Vincent Jackson and Donald Driver did the heavy lifting, combining for 55 points and helping keep the Salmon tied with the Billies at the top of the standings.

E Funk's All Stars (5-4) topped Dealer 114-82. E Funk was strong top to bottom, led by Michael Turner's 35 points. E Funk even had one of the top QB to WR combos of the week, Cassel to Chambers (42 points!), on his bench.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 10, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Today's Best Headline:

"British Say United Pilot Was Drunk"


But wait--there's more:


LONDON (AP) -- A United Airlines pilot who was pulled from his trans-Atlantic flight to Chicago shortly before takeoff has been charged with having too much alcohol in his system, British police said Tuesday.

The pilot had, "...too much alcohol in his system?

I guess from his point of view, he didn't have enough.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

"No team with a good QB ever lets the dude become a FA. SD (not STD) did let Brees go but he was a real risk with a surgical shoulder."

Favre seems to be doing pretty well. Cutler, Oort, lots of QB movement this year. I think signing someone like David Carr along with Colt would be plenty ... and guess what Campbell might prove to be a good QB ... somewhere else.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 7:34 PM |

Except for Favre, the QB movement was not FA. And the Vikes were stupido to shell out $$$ for an old fart QB with a cranky arm. The Jats let the dude retire and never got any comp for him the way the Pack did.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

So you think players like Devin Hester, Darren Sproles, Byron Westbrook, Wes Welker, Joe Cribbs, Percy Harvin, Chris Johnson, DeSean Jackson, and Adrian Petersen are a dime a dozen?

Pretty much ... yawn ... let's face it the guy who did the damage last week was not a 1st rounder and was in fact a FIFTH ROUND pick kn 2004 by the San Diego Chargers. Atlanta signed him a s free agent. Kind of like the speedy guys the Redskins brought to camp Moe. YES, when you can get guys like Michael Turner in the FIFTH round. Rarely, rarely, rarely do the great ones appear. And it sure as HAELL ain't about speed. For reference see the history of one speedy Redskins back named Mike Oliphaunt.
They need eight guys for this line next year. Maybe Mike Williams will get his game back. We'll have to see what happens with Cincinnati's cast-off 1st rounder Levi Jones. Maybe they'll get lucky but I wouldn't bet on it. Levi's previous coach, Marvin Lewis, was a pretty damned good defensive coordinator and not a bad head coach.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Marvin Lewis, was a pretty damned good defensive coordinator and not a bad head coach.

Posted by: periculum | November 10, 2009 9:58 PM |

Still is. Not to stir up any false hope for Skinzoids but Cincy a case study in how a good coach, franch QB and PB WR can succeed in spite of suckjob FO.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

peri

"They need eight guys for this line next year. Maybe Mike Williams will get his game back."

"We'll have to see what happens with Cincinnati's cast-off 1st rounder Levi Jones. Maybe they'll get lucky but I wouldn't bet on it."

I like good whine, not chatta about the dregs.

To say the skins need "..eight guys for this line next year.." and then plug in the names Mike Williams and Levi Jones, isn't how a right thinking guy you thinks.

The team should part ways with Williams and Jones.

The team should spend Haynesworth type money on a starting right guard and tackle.

Edwin Williams should be given the chance to beat out to play center if he leaves UF.

Stephon Heyer is a capable left tackle which is why if Russell Okung is there, you take'em.

If Okung is gone in round 1 when the skins pick, the best choice is a field-flipping running back.

The second round pick should be a quarterback or the next best tackle prospect.

And if Williams or Jones is to remain on the team, it's because they are back ups.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

peri

That post was unclear and I apologize.

I meant to say if Mike Pouncey, center, of the Univ. of Fl comes out (he's a junior), the skins should draft him.

Otherwise, Edwin Williams should be given a shot to start in Rabach's place, as evidenced by his two holding penalties Sunday, Rabach has issues with pass blocking size and speed.

The way I see it, two young free agents at guard and tackle, a drafted tackle, and Williams' promotion to center is four new players to play with Dockery next season.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone ever get Levi's salary details?

Posted by: daggar | November 10, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

From the we can kill you but don't assault us school of thought

The Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations has called for hate crime charges to be filed in the case.

"The apparent bias motive in this attack indicates the need for relevant hate crime charges to be brought against the alleged assailant," said CAIR-Tampa Executive Director Ramzy Kilic. "We hope this incident is not a case of backlash in response to the recent tragedy at Fort Hood in Texas."

Of course since this happened in Florida, the idiot attacked a Greek Orthodox priest, not a Muslim. But what can you expect from a Marine...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | November 10, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

The team should part ways with Williams and Jones.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:22 PM |

And if Williams or Jones is to remain on the team, it's because they are back ups.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:22 PM |

Great post dud. Always nice to see more than one side of an argue in same post. Take you thinking place of honor beside " right thinking" dud ridiculum.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

peri

Select the fifth drafted round rusher out of this list:

1. Chris Johnson TEN 959
2. Cedric Benson CIN 837
3. Steven Jackson STL 784
4. Adrian Peterson MIN 784
5. DeAngelo Williams CAR 768

These guys are leading the league in rushing.

Not a fifth round pick among them.

CJ Spiller's name might be listed there next season.

Hopefully, he's a redskin when the list is made.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

That post was unclear and I apologize.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:30 PM |

Hey, no needing apology. We know you was born stoopid.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

biggervance

"The team should part ways with Williams and Jones."

"And if Williams or Jones is to remain on the team, it's because they are back ups."

(INSERT a, "WTF, Moe!!" here)

You're right.

I'm massively distracted right now.

I'm trying to post while my seven year old daughter is begging for attention and my wife money.

And having little of both, neither will get what they want.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

The Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations has called for hate crime charges to be filed in the case.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | November 10, 2009 10:34 PM |

??? This on a sports blog about the Washington Redskins. Tampa Islams a big leap.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to post while my seven year old daughter is begging for attention and my wife money.

And having little of both, neither will get what they want.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2009 10:43 PM |

Understand. They more important than posting about Skins OL duds. You good husband and father.

Posted by: BiggerVance | November 10, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I just heard Jim Zorn finish up his interview on Redskins Nation by saying that he "doesn't want them to get complacent". He doesn't want them to get complacent? He doesn't want them to get complacent?! They are on a 4(?) game losing streak. They are 4-12 over their last 16. And our coach is on the lookout for an outbreak of complacency. How did we get here? Two touchdowns have an overmatched, emasculated, (Spurrier-level)goofball of a coach thinking his 2-6 stinkbomb of a team needs to fight the urge to rest on their laurels?!

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, all he tried to do was nudge the blitzing corner. What separates teams is the details of the game. Washington falls short in this area.

Wasn't it right after PORTIS went to the coaches to get SELLERS demoted that he called ZORN an "offensive genius" in disparaging terms? Ol' CP thinks a lot of himself doesn't he? Not that he was wrong on either account.

Posted by: glawrence007 | November 10, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to solid tackling technique? Don't they work on that in practice? I see guys like Landry trying to lay a hit on the upper body of the defender and a lot of times it doesn't work. Whatever happened with good old keep-your-eye-on-their-waist, wrap and twist leg tackles? Seems to me that's a higher percentage tackle than what we've been seeing. I mean, I understand going for the QB's upper torso because chances are he has the ball loose in one hand, but you try that with a big running back like Turner and you are just going to bounce off. You know, they always say that when you are struggling you go back to the basics and they will see you through. I think the Redskins need to do just that. They need to spend a week of practices on tackling and blocking techniques.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

to Tampa bay the only stat Westbrook is better in is receiving yards, so you get your eyes checked and look at the stats!

Andy reid and mcnabb have been together in the same system longer than any duo in the history of the NFL!

Portis is statistically better FACT, so check it loser, BEFORE you start masturbating an Eagle

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 5:35 PM

LOL!! Dude...I'm a Redskin fan but I know who is good and who is pretty good.

I like Portis but his time has come and gone. He's done!!

Check out YARDS FROM SCRIMMAGE the past FIVE years and tell me who is statistically better?? CMON....DO IT!!

I dont like the Pigeons but you making a dumb a$$ assumption that Portis is better is strictly a bama a$$ gump move. Or just a Redskin blinders move.

Stop riding the wave bro and come back to reality

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan

maybe so , but so has westbrook's and statistically Portis is better and ALWAYS will be, so go masturbate westbrook

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 10, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Portis Pockets Straight!

Posted by: chop1 | November 10, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Trent Dilfer made the pro bowl with Tampa, '97 I believe.

Now I'm going to offend some people here.
90% of the people posting here are no different then Dan Snyder.
Actually one and the same.

They are impatient cry-baby fans that always want a quick fix, and could never have the patients to sit through rebuilding this team.

Even if we drafted a sure thing QB, the same people screaming to draft him would be screaming to bench him after he throws 11 interceptions in his first 4 games.(Peyton Manning)

I hope we really rebuild this team, it's what we need, and then myself and the other 10% can continue to be entertained by the rest of you screaming like little school girls.


Posted by: jberry73 | November 11, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

We don't need an overhaul

But we need a new direction

New coach... New GM... new Disposition!

Unless you can get Vick, Keep JC...(sorry guys)

First priority....Build OL .... F/A ,Trades, Draft...... No ifs, ands or buts!

Second priority...... all purpose back(s) who can return punts,kickoffs, 3rd down (SPEEEED!)

Keep all young receivers (for now)

Defence is young (say good-bye to daniels,griff,wynn) sign Goldsten and Montgomery

Keep Rogers.... but find 2 corners who can play....good-bye smoot

Many have been hard on PORTIS. He is a warrior and has something left to prove. He has taken a beaten and should be kept out for the balance of the year. Remember he has ankle issues. If he has lost something.... next spring, cut him after june 1st. He is a great back who needs an OL, just like all great backs do.


PS: we are such a mess.... we finally have a kicker, but who cares

Posted by: skinsbacker | November 11, 2009 2:00 AM | Report abuse

When did Trent Dilfer make a Pro Bowl?

Posted by: dcwun | November 10, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Trent Dilfer made the pro bowl with Tampa, '97 I believe.

Thanx jberry73

Posted by: Vicc | November 11, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Did Dilfer go to the pro bowl? Did Eli before he won the SB?

Did Roethlisberger before he won his FIRST?

Just asking.....not so much a comment...just a question that I would like answered because I don't know the answer.

OH...and did Rypien? D. Williams? just asking?

I honestly dont know but I would like to know?

Posted by: TampaBayareaRedskinsfan | November 10, 2009 6:53 PM

Yeah, those are good questions.

Dilfer made it in 97. Yes, I'm using hindsight 20/20 to my advantage with Eli and Ben winning a Superbowl before they earned a Pro-Bowl birth, but really what difference does it make right? You can tell a when a QB is good and with Eli and Ben, their later Pro-Bowl appearances justifies their consistent play.

We, as NFL fans, can tell when a QB is gonna be really good, even before their accolades are acheived. Agree?

Rypien was a two time Pro-Bowler.

Posted by: Vicc | November 11, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

There are always exceptions and Doug Williams winning one is an example.

However that is outside of my past 20 year window.

Posted by: Vicc | November 11, 2009 7:27 AM | Report abuse

(From a couple days ago...I know...)

p1funk what is the point of your exercise. This offense has scored one TD in the first quarter all year, so it goes to say that everyone on offense, including JC, doesn't really play well until they are down. How many yards has CP had to start games? What about Moss? How has the blocking been on offense? It's pointless to single one player out isn't it?

Posted by: TWISI | November 9, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse


The point of my exercise is to counter the points/arguments of the stat-mongers that like to whip out JC17's passer rating, completion %, etc; and try to argue that he is somehow someway not really one of the problems on this offense - that when you step back and look at his numbers he is actually producing at a high level.

I think that is bogus.

My contention is that JC17 plays poorly when the game is close/competitive and pads his stats when the team is down by a bunch and defenses start to slack off.

I use the Atlanta/Philly games as examples b/c those were the most recent, but in those games they went down by alot quickly.

I'm going to look into some other games where the score stayed pretty close throughout, and I'll bet JC played like dung throughout.

Posted by: p1funk | November 11, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"...maybe so, but so has westbrook's and statistically Portis is better and ALWAYS will be.."


You analysis of Westbrook v. Portis is flawed as the skins lean on Portis whereas the iggles don't have to feed Westbrook the ball 25 times a game.

Fewer touches will always mean fewer yards and touchdowns.

But Westbrook's skill set is such that he allows another offensive player to 'get loose' as any team doubling him, opens the field.

Portis doesn't create that kind of mismatch situation for the skins.

And this is why adding a dynamic speed back after re-building the skins' line on the fly is so important

The young receivers will only improve with playing time, and if there is a speed guy for a defense to fixate on, the more chances they'll get to make plays.

Portis is no longer a player for a defense to fixate on.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 11, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

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