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Position Battles: Cornerback

One of the major strengths of the Redskins in recent seasons has been the secondary. Plenty of attention, and money, has been spent on the unit, including drafting Sean Taylor, Carlos Rogers and LaRon Landry in the first round and signing Shawn Springs and DeAngelo Hall, two former first-round picks. And yes, Washington has also found serviceable-to-strong players in other rounds and other places -- Chris Horton, Reed Doughty, Fred Smoot and Ryan Clark to name a few.

Going into this season, the secondary again figures to be one of the team's strengths despite the departure of Shawn Springs, a leader in the secondary who was able to match up against some of the league's bigger, physical receivers and also provided valuable experience playing in the slot.

We get back into the roster review today with cornerback, a position that has two first-round draft picks as the starters but has some question marks beyond that.

CORNERBACK

If the season opened today the starters would be: DeAngelo Hall and Carlos Rogers, not too shabby.

The resigning of Hall was a major priority entering the offseason, and the former Virginia Tech standout impressed during his short time in Washington last season.

Hall is considered a risk because of his history in Atlanta and Oakland, and after signing a big deal here in Washington, there are those who think Hall will turn into a negative in the locker room...and on the field.

But despite his past off field transgressions, Hall brings a big play mentality that could help a secondary that has lacked the game-shifting plays since the tragic loss of safety Sean Taylor.

This is a unit that has struggled to force turnovers. In the past four seasons, the Redskins averaged 12.25 interceptions, well below the league leaders. To give you a team with which to compare, the Ravens had 26 interceptions last season and averaged 20.5 over the past four.

Hall had five interceptions last season with Oakland and Washington, more than any other Redskins player.

Rogers has been a part of that problem as he has struggled to make the play when the opportunity presents itself. A top cover corner, Rogers has failed to follow through on putting himself in a good position -- his inability to catch the easy pick has been well chronicled over the past few seasons.

The former Auburn standout really seemed to be cementing himself as the top corner on this team early last season, but his play dropped a bit after Hall entered the picture, and Rogers actually saw his playing time decrease at times. Now, with Springs gone, Rogers is expected to prove he can be a cornerstone of this defense across from Hall.

Playing in a defense that often leaves cornerbacks in man coverage, Rogers and Hall could be the biggest beneficiary of the addition of Albert Haynesworth and Brian Orakpo, who were brought in to bolster the pass rush.

Other options: To me, there are some questions as to the depth of the position entering training camp.

Fred Smoot remains one of the most entertaining players on the team, and if you are near a field when the Redskins are practicing, you're sure to hear him talking. Loudly. But as much as Smoot is one of the favorites for his talking ability, there's no question the eight-year veteran's play has dropped off from the cornerback pre-Minnesota.

Though he started nine games and recorded 57 tackles and one interception, Smoot struggled late in 2008 and was dropped to the No. 4 corner spot by the end of the season, behind Springs, Rogers and Hall. Still, he enters this season as one of the few options to match up in the slot.

The Redskins drafted Kevin Barnes in the third round out of Maryland to compete with Smoot at nickel corner, and the local product was impressive during OTAs, snagging several interceptions and winning the defense's competition on the final day of the practices with four picks.

Barnes projects confidence and immediately declared he was ready to compete with anybody on the roster, and his size may help him match up against some bigger wide receivers in the NFC East. But Barnes is coming off of an injury, and he'll have to prove himself in the preseason.

Last year, rookie Justin Tryon failed to get onto the field, and with his slight size it's a wait-and-see approach to see whether he ever catches on in this secondary. I thought there were other undrafted players last year that impressed more during the preseason than the 2008 fourth-round pick, and Tryon must be better this preseason if he wants to stay in front of Barnes on the depth chart.

Doug Dutch (Gonzaga) is an undrafted free agent out of Michigan, while Byron Westbrook remains on the roster after spending the past two seasons on the practice squad.

With many offenses implementing the spread, the Redskins could be in trouble when teams go three- and four-wide.

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 30, 2009; 2:49 PM ET
 | Tags: Albert Haynesworth, Baltimore Ravens, Brian Orakpo, Byron Westbrook, Carlos Rogers, Chris Horton, DeAngelo Hall, Doug Dutch, Fred Smoot, Justin Tryon, Kevin Barnes, LaRon Landry, Reed Doughty, Ryan Clark, Sean Taylor  
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Comments

The lack of anonymous sources who are familiar with the situation is certainly promising...

Hate to see you go JLC. Nice review Paul...

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

First.

Posted by: 21always | June 30, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"21always" - love the name bro.


For as loud as T.O. is...he was always quiet when he had to line up opposite of Sean. People like to flame Cerrato...but Cerrato struck GOLD with Sean.


#21 RiP

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Have rarely been as relieved as I was when we passed on that bama Winslow Jr and took Sean, Gibbs loved a TE so much i thought we might not take the most obvious choice.

Posted by: Stu27 | June 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't fear the spread. I hope teams run the spread vs us all game long. We have good corners, good secondary, Albert coming up the middle and London Fletcher reading the QB.

How'd Brees do vs us last year? 69 passer rating.

Why?

Its tough to run well out of a spread offense. Its a one-dimensional offense. To beat the Skins defense, teams will need to have multiple dimensions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Thinking about Henson (the Hogs Heaven link is on the last entry) -- I'd like to see him get a shot at OLB. Both he and Orakpo are fast -- 4.62 for the 40.

Our DL is physically strong (except perhaps Carter), having Fletcher in the middle and speed OLBs behind that line seems like a good fit.

Though we still shoulda been picking mostly OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

That one has me in tears 4th

Posted by: jm220 | June 30, 2009 3:15 PM

I have plenty of misadventures stories JM. Will bring them up as they come with in context of conversation! (I can't wait until someone brings up happy hours and and after happy hours booty calls. I got a real good one there! And it wasn't a 'happy' ending)......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Doug Dutch went undrafted out of Michigan, not Maryland.

Posted by: thelastdondc | June 30, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

P-Ten,

I have a bone to pick with you. We have been feed Leigh Torrence all season long, but you make no mention of him whatsoever. WHY?!?!? I thought he was the glue to our secondary? I thought his release was the reason we went 2-6 in the 2nd half of the season. I thought he was the only serviceable slot CB we had?

I demand answers! (Tongue def in cheeck (sp?) for whole post)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"there are those who think Hall will turn into a negative in the locker room...and on the field."

Like who? Players? Coaches? GMs around the league? From where did this come?

"But despite his past off field transgressions,"

What were those exactly? Please enlighten me.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse


Our longest run last year was 31 yards?

Wow, talk about our lack of home-run capability on the ground.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | June 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Ya, okay.

Tryon appears to be the odd man out, but most importantly...

The big news:

The addition of Haynesworth bodes well for the whole defensive backfield. Getting in the QB's face, forcing him to make bad throws, interrupting his timing, stuffing the run game: this should result in more turnovers going our way...

and will take some pressure of Jason Campbell; although he's under the gun, in any circumstance.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Ya, okay.

Tryon appears to be the odd man out, but most importantly...

The big news:

The addition of Haynesworth bodes well for the whole defensive backfield. Getting in the QB's face, forcing him to make bad throws, interrupting his timing, stuffing the run game: this should result in more turnovers going our way...

and will take some pressure of Jason Campbell; although he's under the gun, in any circumstance.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Why no mention of Ade Jimoh?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 30, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand, I think that was in the notes the little fat F*)& left to the new blog writers.

Vibe i get around the web is that Hall is a good guy in the locker room.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Barnes has to be a huge upgrade over Tryon... size alone should make 'skins fans feel good when teams go to a 4 or 5 WR set... plus he is very physical and probably will be a solid tackler... also, pass rush should contribute to many more turnovers this year as others have stated... don't forget Orakpo to go with Haynesworth... this should be a deadly combo for years to come.

Posted by: tony325 | June 30, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Barnes maybe the upgrade to Smooooot at #3 and Smoooot relegated to #4. Tryon will be #5 this year. But this will be Smoooot's last year. Tryon is good. He will be a ST standout this year. I got his back.

Re: Hall - Haters. He is cool with the locker room from what I have seen and heard in various interviews from him, ARE, and others. The only one who may be made is Los22. That is the only thing that may derail this secondary. If all Los thinks too much about the money DHall got and he won't get......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The defense could very easily be # 1 in the league next year. We couldn't get to the QB or turn it over, yet nobody could put up big points on us. With AH , D-Hall and Orakpo everyone will see an absolutely disgusting defensive unit next year.

Posted by: iH8dallas | June 30, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If Los wants some CACHE he needs to learn to CATCH THE DAMN BALL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The only one who may be made is Los22. That is the only thing that may derail this secondary. If all Los thinks too much about the money DHall got and he won't get......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 4:34 PM

Los is not stupid. He knows that if he has a big year he's in for a giant payday. He's not going to sulk. He's going to put up the numbers and make Snyder, or someone else, pay. War eagle.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I like Rogers. He's the Skins' best corner IMO. Playing opposite Rogers is going to be a gift and a course for Hall. He's going to have plenty of opportunities to display his ball hawking skills.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Agree... the potential is certainly here to be dominant on defense. Remains to be seen if they can put it together.

I can understand the haters who say the Redskins will suck... i get their point.

Oline old and crappy, receivers...we only have one, and Dline no push.

I just happen to think that all three issues have been addressed and are good to go. For the receivers group not doing anything was the right move because the talent is already on the roster. They just need to step up and perform. I happen to think they will. Bottom line, they need to do so or offense will suck again. Period.

Dline... obvious. AH, return of Daniels, Orakpo.

Oline... the roster is much better across the board than it was last year. It could either vastly outperform expectations, or they could suck as a group. I think the Big Texan and the Carolina cast off are very nice huge upside additions to the team. I think that the whole will be better than the parts and that they will all push each other and strive to kickass. Redskins have a winning attitude in the locker room with excellent veteran leadership. Right or wrong, I think some players play up to (down to) the expectations or the mediocrity of their team. See Buffalo, Carolina and OAKLAND for example.

Biggest questions going into camp:

1. Will young receivers step up?
2. Can Heyer, Big Tex, or Carolina Castoff carpe diem and get er done at RT?
3. And the biggest of all: Can Redskins find somebody on the roster to play well at SLB?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

1. Will young receivers step up?
2. Can Heyer, Big Tex, or Carolina Castoff carpe diem and get er done at RT?
3. And the biggest of all: Can Redskins find somebody on the roster to play well at SLB?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 4:54 PM |

Agree. My feeling right now is (1)Yes, (2) Yes, (3) I'm not too sure about that.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

LH - Los22 will have the ball thrown at him more than DHall for the simple fact that it is none league wide he can't catch a football......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

known, not none

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

LH - Los22 will have the ball thrown at him more than DHall for the simple fact that it is none league wide he can't catch a football......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 30, 2009 5:08 PM |

I don't see it this way, 4th. QBs want to make completions, not avoid interceptions. Los may not catch 'em but he sure knocks them down. I think the QB knows he has a better chance of a completion throwing at Hall than at Carlos.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

That is pretty much how i see it 4th, yes, yes and not sure. Hoping Chris Wilson/Orakpo shocks the world, LOL. Mosely thinks we are stupid to consider Orakpo at SLB. I think "look at that ex DE who kicks ass at SLB for Pittsburgh and scored a TD in the Superbowl" as an example of what could be.

I don't think our SLB has to be anything more than average who follows the scheme and takes care of his responsibility for the defense to be very very good. I think we will be way above average in other areas.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

NBA Free Agency starting soon...

I hope we sign Gortat!!!

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Oooops. Sorry Gentleman. Wrong blog.

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

talenteval: "QBs want to make completions, not avoid interceptions."

Don't they want to do both?

In fact, the risk of an INT often outweighs the chance of a reception in the mind of a QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

The Jets game...from 2007...was a clear indication of what was about to take the league by storm.


Dirty Thirty + #21 = The entire league is cook3d

Posted by: jmicrodoc | June 30, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

In fact, the risk of an INT often outweighs the chance of a reception in the mind of a QB.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse


It sure did in JC's mind last year, which is just how JZ wanted it...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

the Skins defense will be top 10. The question is it going to be top 2? Up the middle -- Albert + Griffin/Golston, Fletcher, Horton and Landry. That is sick.

The CBs are both good. Hall plays higher risk/higher reward type ball. Rogers was solid last year and could be better this year since his surgery usually doesn't heal in one year.

Where this defense is vulnerable is depth (LBs and DBs) and at the edges Rocky, Carter, Daniels and Orakpo. If these 4 play well and we avoid key injuries, the defense will be a monster. If Orakpo, in particular, turns out to be another Merriman or Willis ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

NBA Free Agency starting soon...

I hope we sign Gortat!!!

Posted by: Vicc | June 30, 2009 5:23 PM

I'm hoping we sign a few guards. What if the other nine go down, then where would we be? Can't have enought guards in this league.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 30, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Paul T

"...With many offenses implementing the spread, the Redskins could be in trouble when teams go three- and four-wide..."


Maybe.

It all depends on how good K Barnes is.

When the point was made by this blogga that an NFL team needs to be 4-deep at the corner spot before the draft, folks howled.

(In fact, before the draft, it was my thinking that Macho Harris-iggles or Malcolm Jenkins-saints would've made fine redskins players.)

Now--again, if Barnes is a player--the redskin D starts Hall/Rogers at corner, and play Smoot/Landry at safety, and/or play Barnes on the slot receiver.

That's a lot of variation in personnel and allows for a range of coverage possibilities.

That's a secondary of all cover guys to kill and grill at will.

Now, if the team only put the same effort into strengthening the o-line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope Carlos has worked on pass catching drills, there have been several losses over the years that could have potentially been wins if he could have held on to int's.

I think D Hall will be fine, he was a model teamate last year and is a year older and he needs to look no further than his former VA Tech teamate M.Vick to see where negativity and stupidity can get you.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 30, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Just want to add, I feel D.Hall actually feels he's in a good place with the Redskins, close to home, and he appears to like and enjoy his teamates, and the big raise doesn't hurt either.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 30, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

This issue with Rogers is his contract, not 'catching the ball'.

He--and Jason Campbell-- will both be a RFA this off-season: who do you resign and for what?

What's Rogers' worth if he continues to be solid, but not spectacular?

Do you want Rogers to be a lockerroom 'grumbler' if he's not paid what he thinks he's worth?

Two Auburn Tigers, one sal cap: who will or will not be a Washington Redskin next year--Campbell or Rogers?

I say neither will be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

His contract could be better if he would catch the DAM Ball.

As far as who's here after this year at this point I could care less, lets just win this year and get in the playoffs who is here in 2010 and contracts, that'll take care of itself.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 30, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

"Last year, rookie Justin Tryon failed to get onto the field, and with his slight size it's a wait-and-see approach to see whether he ever catches on in this secondary."

Tryon have to keep on trying. Do you want to try on this dress or that one young man?

Posted by: LittleGreenBag | June 30, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Vicc

Gortat will be a Knickerbocker.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

D. Hall will go to the pro bowl this year and crank up more interceptions than any cornerback the Redskins have seen in the last decade. Carlos Rogers, on the other hand, will be solid in coverage, but come on, the guy couldn't catch a train if it was stopped at the platform. I think Barnes is a keeper. He will end up being a starter some day. Smoot's career is winding down. I think this might be his last year, especially if Westbrook and Tryon can push for the #4 spot.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 30, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

"With many offenses implementing the spread, the Redskins could be in trouble when teams go three- and four-wide."

Er, yeah, most teams without a passrush would be in trouble going three or four wide, but hopefully Haynesworth and Orakpo will put an end to that..

Posted by: frak | June 30, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Talk about pull and bull.

Jay-Z apparently didn't like the idea of Chris Brown performing 'Thriller' at the BET Awards the other night, and threatened to leave with wifey Beyonce if it did happen.

Imagine that: Jay-Z is upset that a guy who is alleged to have beat up one of his artists (Rhianna is a Jay Z employee) was about to acknowledge to memory of one of the greatest entertainers in the history of world music: Michael Joseph Jackson.

Jay Z can perform 'collabos' with rappers who videotape their sex and post it on the internet, but has issues with the otherwise squeaky clean Chris Brown.

In Hova's mind, Rhianna's pain is greater than Jackson's legacy.

I gotta question, was he, Jay Z ,upset about R Kelly pulling out of a tour/record promotion a couple of years ago because he was accused of child molestation or did he really need the money from the tour he lamented losing out on?

And another question for Jay Z, Just who is Rhianna anyways that she should trump the memory and moment set aside for the gloved one?


Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

I have no fear of spread offenses playing against this defense. With a spread offense, you can't power run, you can't sweep well and its a hard to pick up blitzes. That play-action, freexe the LBs -- not gonna fool anyone. Spread offenses cut your playbook in half.

I'm sure Greg Blache would love to see spread offenses. Every week.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

what ever happened to leigh torrance?

Posted by: BMACattack | June 30, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Spread offense???? Patrick Ramsay still hasn't recovered from Spurrier's use of the spread.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | June 30, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Coming from someone who likes the Hokies, Macho would not have been a better selection for us..... his size won't work in the slot, whereas Barnes size will. Barnes is a decent baller.. Macho is a depth player in the NFL. Big Heart and could be a serviceable starter, but wouldn't been a great fit here.... 3-4 Receiver sets need time.... Also, the Pittsburg DE referred to above also plays in a 3-4 D, we DON'T. Big Difference.

CLEGG

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | June 30, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Yo, peeps,

I'm not sure if anyone else is doing this yet, but I just set up a fantasy fubbal league for the Redskins Insider community.

Live draft starts at 10pm Eastern on Thursday, September 3. If that doesn't work for you, well, tough beans.

Sixteen-team league, so there's plenty of space. Give me a holler at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com if you're interested. First come, first served.

Good luck.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | June 30, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

what ever happened to leigh torrance?

Posted by: BMACattack


Leigh torrance actually just defeated Al Franken for the minnesota senate seat.

Leigh Torrance is my father.

Posted by: rich20ssu | June 30, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

With many offenses implementing the spread, the Redskins could be in trouble when teams go three- and four-wide.

By Paul Tenorio | June 30, 2009

Did someone say trouble? What trouble? Oh! lest I forget, I see dead people, I see dead offenses, I see evil, I see organized mayhem, I see body bag games. Let me be the first to apologize to McNabb, Romo, and Eli. Sorry for your aching back, your broken leg, your swollen arm and your broken jaw. The bear and the bull, Sir Haynesworth and Prince Orakpo, Comrade Griffin, Senior Daniels, Chief Rocky, Sergent Carter and "His Royal Knight" Sir London; Home land security agent Hall and agent Rogers, Sheriff Landry and Deputy Horton Let it be written: the Burgundy looks like blood on your opponents quarter backs, and the gold? Let it shine in the end zone for yet another defensive touch down celebration!

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | June 30, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

zcezce: "Where this defense is vulnerable is depth (LBs and DBs) and at the edges Rocky, Carter, Daniels and Orakpo. If these 4 play well and we avoid key injuries, the defense will be a monster. If Orakpo, in particular, turns out to be another Merriman or Willis ..."

I don't think Orakpo will be a hit at the SAM and frankly, I wish they wouldn't mess around with the guy -- just put him in on passing downs for at least half a season. Let everybody get used to playing with Albert and Brian. Blache had success in Chicago with a big play defense, so we know he can coach it, but it takes time for everybody to pick up those habits.

Barnes has promise at CB but he's also got a bum shoulder -- not good for somebody who likes to put on the big hit. People keep referring to Tryon as small but he's really just short. Too early to give up on the guy unless he's a total loss in camp.

Wouldn't it be a goof if Cody Glenn, Robert Henson, or Eddie Williams turned out to be another Chris Horton? Wonder how many experts would acknowledge it...

Posted by: Samson151 | June 30, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

"otherwise squeaky clean"

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 30, 2009 7:33 PM

I guess you posted this to spark convo too. I'll bite. Everyone who does bad things has a first offense. Given Brown's youth this may be his. Jay Z or anyone else has a right to voice their displeasure with Brown performing. BET didn't have to bow to his demand. But it did and they still honored MJ, whose legacy remains intact. You have daughters right? If one of them brought home the class valedictorian who just happened to have a conviction for beating his last girlfriend, would you dismiss it or dismiss him?

And Jay-Z had RKelly kicked off of their tour. Jay-Z may have 99 problems but money isn't one. According to Forbes, he's worth $150 mil up from $82 mil in '08. RKelly isn't even in the top 20 of richest African Americans.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Samson, I have doubts about Orakpo, too. But its based on his highlight video and that's not a lot to go on. He's got speed and that might be more useful at the LB spot.

The guy he reminds me of most is Andre Carter. Carter was a better LB than DE.

I still think the Skins find out where Orakpo will be most effective this season. Its next season where he pays off.

and fwiw, I think Henson does have a chance.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Domestic violence is a tough one to tackle if you weren't there. And the women will be favored in the courtroom irregardless of any other surrounding circumstances. I'll leave it at that.

BET had no choice but to bow down to JayZ. All the guys watching turned into to gawk at his wife. He held the golden key. He is coming from the father/brother standpoint, so I can't hate on that. Brown just doesn't have anyone as big to back him up.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

TE - CR22 was one of the most thrown at CBs last year by a large margin. If the QB knows the guy won't INT the ball, then he sees no harm in chancing another throw against CR22 because the worst that can happen is an incomplete passs.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2009 2:20 AM | Report abuse

The guy he reminds me of most is Andre Carter. Carter was a better LB than DE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 30, 2009 11:22 PM

He was. In a 3-4 defense. Which we don't run.

This is a big part of why I don't like playing Orakpo at LB. If we ran a 3-4 here I would LOVE the pick. Most OLBs in a 3-4 played DE in college and the responsibilities aren't much unlike a DE in a 4-3. But the Skins are trying to fill two holes with one guy and I just don't see that working out so great, not with a rookie who needs to get used to the speed of the game.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 5:17 AM | Report abuse

Here's a juicy tidbit from PFT...could be the Skins' answer at SLB:

Poppinga On Roster Bubble?
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 30, 2009 8:46 PM
The generous contract Packers linebacker Brady Poppinga signed last offseason could put his roster spot in jeopardy this year.

Poppinga was a starter when he signed his deal, but he's a clear backup in Green Bay's new 3-4 defense. Poppinga is set to make $1.9 million in base salary, and Rob Demovsky of the Green Bay Press Gazette wonders if the team wants to pay a role player that much.

Poppinga was asked at Green Bay's recent minicamp asked if his salary will put his job at risk.

"That's something you'd have to ask the front office. I don't know how they budget things out."

Poppinga's predicament is an example of the difficulties inherent in changing defensive schemes. Both the player and the contract have to fit into the new system.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

TE - CR22 was one of the most thrown at CBs last year by a large margin.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 1, 2009 2:20 AM |

That wasn't how I remember it, but coaches stopped playing him for a reason, so you're probably right. And, when it comes to my memory versus yours, it's probably a good idea to trust yours.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Looks like they'll be releasing the Madden 10 ratings for the Skins pretty soon...can't wait!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

If one of them brought home the class valedictorian who just happened to have a conviction for beating his last girlfriend, would you dismiss it or dismiss him?

You damn right I would dismiss him.

Posted by: jm220 | July 1, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

I have plenty of misadventures stories JM. Will bring them up as they come with in context of conversation! (I can't wait until someone brings up happy hours and and after happy hours booty calls. I got a real good one there! And it wasn't a 'happy' ending)......

Posted by: 4thFloor

I don't know about anyone else but I want to hear about 4th happy hour not so happy booy call. LMAO! I really hope your wife doesn't read this blog 4th.

Posted by: jm220 | July 1, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Did someone say trouble? What trouble? Oh! lest I forget, I see dead people, I see dead offenses, I see evil, I see organized mayhem, I see body bag games. Let me be the first to apologize to McNabb, Romo, and Eli. Sorry for your aching back, your broken leg, your swollen arm and your broken jaw. The bear and the bull, Sir Haynesworth and Prince Orakpo, Comrade Griffin, Senior Daniels, Chief Rocky, Sergent Carter and "His Royal Knight" Sir London; Home land security agent Hall and agent Rogers, Sheriff Landry and Deputy Horton Let it be written: the Burgundy looks like blood on your opponents quarter backs, and the gold? Let it shine in the end zone for yet another defensive touch down celebration!

Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | June 30, 2009 8:55 PM

That's my favourite RI post in a lo-oong time!

Posted by: stevebeagrie | July 1, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

It's also a bit over the top.

"Today redemption is spelled R-O-N."

*drops the mic and walks away*

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

what ever happened to leigh torrance?

Posted by: BMACattack


Leigh Torrance has just returned from Honduras after orchestrating a military coup. Word on the street is that Torrance horse collar tackled Honduras's ousted leader as he tried to run away. He then smiled at the cameras and flashed a "J.L." with his hands. A tribute to his "bro" Janso.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | July 1, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Wish I would have found out a little sooner that Tony Romo was going to be paired up with Tiger Woods at this mornings AT&T Pro-AM. Definitely would have taken off work to go boo him for 18 straight holes.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | July 1, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I am looking for a breakthrough year for Carlos Rogers this year.

We all make mistakes, and yes he dropped a couple of key interceptions, but that cannot be a stain on his career. What matters is how he plays from this point forward, and working to correct his deficiencies (like ball handling).

I am really looking forward to this year being the year of number 22!

Posted by: Sports_Guru | July 1, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Wish I would have found out a little sooner that Tony Romo was going to be paired up with Tiger Woods at this mornings AT&T Pro-AM. Definitely would have taken off work to go boo him for 18 straight holes.

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | July 1, 2009 8:36 AM


I'd give him the Happy Gilmore treatment: "You WILL miss this put...JACKASS!"

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Wow - out for a day and it looks like I didn't miss SJK.

Thank goodness my night job is still managed by monkeys - otherwise I'd have nothing to do... lol.

Ok - so to review the posting:
We have two top tier corners and some rotation players who would be starting on other teams. Given the increased power of the DLine and established strength of the Linebacker and Safety teams, I think we can expect more turnover production this year.

I do see a problem if/when Fletcher goes down, but again, hopefully the major improvement on the DLine will make up for the drop in talent in middle linebacking.

Also would think/hope that we begin to let Landry lay some hurt on folks. I really don't want to see him turn into a track star. His guns are too big to waste.

So I also have some editorial comments:
If you're going to bring up two players who aren't on this team, why not bring up Champ Bailey while you're at it?

And I'm not sure of the elements of style, but can't we come up with a better way to say someone re-signed in stead of resigned?! Every time I read that I reflexively freak out, "Hall QUIT??!!" Not helpful. Try a hyphen.

Oh and I've been standing by a field when the Redskins were practicing and didn't hear Smoot talk...'cause it was an entirely different field! How about "if you're standing next to a field WHERE the redskins are practicing"...What is this, some sorta 'build it and Fred Smoot will talk trash' field of wet dreams?! (cue porno music...)


///maps & lap dances///

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

You can analyze the secondary all you want, but no secondary will be effective without a good defensive line and solid pass rush. It was terrific defensive lines like the Steel Curtain and the Doomsday Defense that made the secondary on each of those teams so good. Hopefully, the Redskins' management has woken up and realized it must continue to upgrade the defensive line to help the secondary be more effective.
Posted by EZMAN

Posted by: ezman | July 1, 2009 8:57 AM | Report abuse

trudat, EZ.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I think Barnes was drafted to replace Rogers if he ends up having a bad year and we choose to let him walk. Smoot is one of my favorite redskins but he always gets cooked on 3rd down and does not tackle well. I think Barnes will be our 3rd corner by mid-season and smoot will be forgotten. Landry needs to become that game-changer, he already scares the Wr's coming across the middle he just needs the int's to roll in and he will be pro bowl bound for many years to come.

HTTR!!! RIP #21

Posted by: cpt55back | July 1, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I still think we should find a way to use Byron Westbrook. We seem to have him do the whole (impersonate your big brother) thing 2 times a year. Switch him to the Offense and have him become a screen back in there 4-6 times a game and see what happens.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I still think we should find a way to use Byron Westbrook. We seem to have him do the whole (impersonate your big brother) thing 2 times a year. Switch him to the Offense and have him become a screen back in there 4-6 times a game and see what happens.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 9:29 AM


I can tell you what happens: fumbles. Considering his brother is a RB and he's about the same size, dude isn't a RB for a reason. There's enough depth at both CB and RB that you don't have to do something desperate like that. Truth is, if he wasn't Brian Westbrook's brother, I doubt he still has a job.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

SportsCenter is talking about Romo and Woods...sounds like Jason Campbell is playing too and Woods chose Romo. No heckling of Romo, just a bunch of tools in Romo jerseys cheering him on. In D.C. I'm gonna be sick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

"...LittleGreenBag..."

Best name on the blog, hands down.

In one way, it suggests something bad.

In another way, it suggests something that'll bring sunshine (and laughter and munchies) to an otherwise boring day.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 1, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

SportsCenter is talking about Romo and Woods...sounds like Jason Campbell is playing too and Woods chose Romo. No heckling of Romo, just a bunch of tools in Romo jerseys cheering him on. In D.C. I'm gonna be sick...
Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 9:37 AM

Funny thing is, if he is paired with Woods, it could come down to a Romo putt for the win. We all know he would choke, and that monkey on his back would get even bigger. What a chump……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 1, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing is, if he is paired with Woods, it could come down to a Romo putt for the win. We all know he would choke, and that monkey on his back would get even bigger. What a chump……


Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 1, 2009 9:46 AM


I would pay good money to see Woods and Romo go at it like Bob Barker and Happy Gilmore. "The price is WRONG, b*tch!"

I'm not sure why I've got so many Happy Gilmore references today...this stuff just writes itself!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

FYI - NFL Network is showing the America's Games of the 87 and 91 Redskins....tonight at 8 and 9pm

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 1, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Paul T

I'll jump the gun.

Defensive Tackles

Albert Haynesworth
Cornelius Griffin
Kedric Golston
Anthony Montgomery
Lorenzo Alexander
Vaka Manupuna
Antonio Dixon


It's obvious the fight for a roster spot will occur between Dixon (a dude with a big body, 6'3", 322 pds.) and Manupana (a dude who looks like a killa).

The thing that hurts them is that both Wynn and Daniels can play some dt, a point that obviates the need to keep them around--and this is not good in my mind as 'grooming' an undrafted up to starter player is how a lot of teams get by.

Otherwise, the skins are set at this position.

You do have to wonder if this might be Griff's last go round as a redskin.

Who will have the breakout year now that Prince Al is in the house: Golston or Monty?

I say Golston.

You have to wonder about how Lo Alexander will be used this season, though. A couple of seasons ago, he played some offense, and performed well as an extra blocker.

If he's not going to get significant reps with the defensive line, why not move him to right guard/center?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 1, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Shooter: "I eat pieces of SJK like you for BREAKFAST!"

Happy: "You eat SJK for BREAKFAST?!"

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Thks DL - must set DVR NOW!!!

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "The thing that hurts them is that both Wynn and Daniels can play some dt, a point that obviates the need to keep them around--and this is not good in my mind as 'grooming' an undrafted up to starter player is how a lot of teams get by."

I like when somebody uses 'obviate' in a sentence.

I'm pretty sure neither Dixon nor Manapunamunamapa makes the squad. Except the practice squad, providing their eligible.

But the news has been that Wynn has lost a ton of weight and is no longer DT material. Daniels is apparently bigger than ever.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

ezman: 'You can analyze the secondary all you want, but no secondary will be effective without a good defensive line and solid pass rush."

You could as easily argue the converse: that no defensive line or pass rush will be really effective without decent coverage by the secondary.

That's because the rules favor the pass blocker. Teams need the QB to have to wait another half-second to find an open man.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

samson151

"...I like when somebody uses 'obviate' in a sentence..."

This is the second comment about the nature of the writing of my posts.

I'll have to admit that I'm a little intimidated now.

So I'll dumb it down from now on.

Consider the following comment:

"Dis here blog, yo', it be, you know, a thang dat sometimes be trippin."

"Dese dudes dat be writin' sh!t ain't 'bout sh!t"

"Dat b!tch Moe he be sayin' dat Chris Brown should be doin' Micheal Jackson on BET. Last time I checked, Chris Brown ain't the kinda dude Micheal Jackson wanted to be doing him."

"I mean, Chris is too brown to be the type dat Mike likes, right?"

"Nah mean?"

"F!uck y'all and whey my lil green bag at, bro? I need some sunshine and happiness for I light this b!tch up."

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 1, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

You could as easily argue the converse: that no defensive line or pass rush will be really effective without decent coverage by the secondary.

That's because the rules favor the pass blocker. Teams need the QB to have to wait another half-second to find an open man.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 10:12 AM

Please don't argue this Samson...this goes against everything a coach will tell you. You build a team from the line of scrimmage back. The Giants won the Super Bowl a couple years ago against the most dominant offense in recent history because they had a great D-line, not corners. In fact, their secondary was average at best. But if you can pressure the QB and stop the run (all of which starts up front), you can win against ANYBODY. Nobody's won anything with a poo-poo D-line and great corners.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

SportsCenter is talking about Romo and Woods...sounds like Jason Campbell is playing too and Woods chose Romo. No heckling of Romo, just a bunch of tools in Romo jerseys cheering him on. In D.C. I'm gonna be sick...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

THats because most all the cowboy fans in DC don't have jobs so they can wander around a field and watch a the lamest game ever played.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Man, from the number of people who think moving Orakpo to SLB is a bad idea, you'd think the guy was timed in the forty with a sun dial and had nothing upstairs but his shirt-sleeve dew rag. Wrong on both counts. How different from a young Marcus Washington is this guy? Washington also played defensive end in college. Orakpo is slightly bigger but just as fast. He takes to coaching very well. Blache isn't going to let him drop back in pass coverage very often because this guy was brought in to stop plays in the backfied. Trust me on this: you will all be believers by the time the regular season starts.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 1, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm not so sure that's correct, Samson. Sure, you hear about coverage sacks but I don't think anyone is living off of those. Usually you hear about how one side or another of a field is turned off to a team because of a particular corner, but I don't think I've ever heard of anyone's sack count being higher because of the excellent secondary.

Logically, it makes sense, what you're saying. I'm just not sure it's right.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
Surly you know that Neon Deon claims he is responsible for over 500 sacks in his career.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

THats because most all the cowboy fans in DC don't have jobs so they can wander around a field and watch a the lamest game ever played.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 10:24 AM

LOL Alex...probably a bunch of hillbillies kicking a beach ball around like in...wait for it...Happy Gilmore!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

You are insulting Hillbillies and Happy Gilmore fans by insinuating that they would be dumb enough to be cowboy fans.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
Surly you know that Neon Deon claims he is responsible for over 500 sacks in his career.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 10:31 AM

Yeah, and he also claims to be a born again Christian, yet every other word out of his mouth is "Prime Time"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I know Tryon annoyed everybody last year by shooting off his mouth in camp, but there are some good reasons not to give up on the guy. Compare his rookie measurables to classmate 'successes' Brandon Flowers of KC (69 tackles, 2 INTs) and Leodis McKelvin of Buffalo (32 tackles, 2 INTs).

Tryon: 5'8" 183 40 yard dash 4.42 Vertical Jump 32.5 Bench Press 21 Broad jump 9'11" Shuttle 4.28 Cone 7.21

McKelvin: 5'9" 190 Forty: 4.38 Bench 17 Vertical 33.5 Broad 10'1" Shuttle 4.1 Cone 7.06

Flowers: 5'10" 189 Forty 4.55 Bench 14 Vertical 30" Broad 9'9"

Tryon's short, but he's very strong for his size and faster than most CBs.

We'll see how he does in camp.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 1, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Man I cant wait for football. What we got going on right now, soccer, tennis, golf, baseball? Lame

Posted by: gatsu | July 1, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

How different from a young Marcus Washington is this guy? Washington also played defensive end in college. Orakpo is slightly bigger but just as fast. He takes to coaching very well. Blache isn't going to let him drop back in pass coverage very often because this guy was brought in to stop plays in the backfied. Trust me on this: you will all be believers by the time the regular season starts.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 1, 2009 10:26 AM

Well, for one, Marcus Washington is 245-250 pounds. He wouldn't hold up at DE, and pretty much had to make the switch to play in this league. Orakpo is listed as 263 pounds. More than enough size to play DE.

And folks need to realize that speed isn't the only factor in this. Orakpo is plenty fast, but it's more about agility and the ability to move the hips naturally. And I've heard that he doesn't. If speed was the only factor, we'd stick Landry at SLB and let him roam around sideline to sideline.

Nobody (at least not me and not what I've seen here) is saying that Orakpo is a dummy and can't pick up the LB spot. Nobody is saying he's not fast. I'm just saying that you should make it as easy as you can for a rookie INITIALLY and once he picks up the speed of the NFL game, THEN try and get cute with how you use him. I just think putting too much on his plate to start puts him and the team in a tough spot POTENTIALLY. I'm obviously rooting for you to be right REDskinHEAD, but I doubt you are.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

To paraphrase Moe's favorite rapper: Blogga cat fightin with LH, kickin sneaky sjk
Makin little posts but keepin it secret


Moe, your read between the lines rantings are not in the manner of a king. One would expect the King of this here blog to directly address those who don't agree with him rather than in the sideways manner of a court jester.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 1, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

THEN try and get cute with how you use him.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 10:53 AM |

brownwood, you're the only guy I know who would characterize playing SLB in the NFL as "cute." I guess putting him at DE is "precious".

Why don't you drop this stuff? You've made yourself as monotonous, repetitive, and predictable as Cork whining about the front office or defending Jasno.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, you're the only guy I know who would characterize playing SLB in the NFL as "cute." I guess putting him at DE is "precious".

Why don't you drop this stuff? You've made yourself as monotonous, repetitive, and predictable as Cork whining about the front office or defending Jasno.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 11:03 AM

Geez T_E, if you could stop being a D-bag a minute and read the context of the words and not just the words themselves, you'd know that when I say "get cute", I mean "get fancy" or "play him in a way not straight-forward". I'm make it simple for you:

Getting cute: playing Orakpo at more than one position, Al Saunders running a reverse on 3rd and short, FO extending and redoing contracts of old players

Playing it straight: playing Orakpo at one position, running it up the opponent's @ss on 3rd and short, cutting guys a year early instead of 3 years late.

Agree or disagree with my views, fine. Craft an argument and debate it with me. Just spare me your pretentious nit-picking.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone read the foxsports quarterback power rankings on MSN.com. It lists Collins as knowing the offense inside and out(that was one year and one coach ago)and the battle for third string between 2 rookies coming out of college. Guess Colt has dissappeared. And they get paid for this crap.

Posted by: Tappahannock | July 1, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Just spare me your pretentious nit-picking.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 11:15 AM |

Pretentious? Moi?

I debated this with you a few days ago. Maybe a month ago. Everyone's getting tired of reading the same crap about Orakpo based on "I heard from a guy who heard from someone else that Orakpo is in over his head." (No, not a direct quote.)

When you get something new on Orakpo, then post it and we'll debate it. You just keep putting up the same stuff about "getting cute."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Why does everyone hate on Smoot so much?

Springs was hardly healthy all season, and Rogers was banged up (knee) at the end. Smoot stepped up as well as anyone across from Rogers early, but then had to fill in for Rogers as well.

I'm not saying he's the greatest player we have, but his status at 4 speaks volumes about our depth, not about his diminishing talents.

He never was an elite corner, and the Vikings experiment proved it. But most teams would probably take him as their #2, and jump on him at #3.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 1, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

To paraphrase etrod's favorite 70's TV character's rockstar alter ego: Clowns never laughed before. Beanstalks never grew. Ponies never ran before and we need a post that's new.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 1, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

When you get something new on Orakpo, then post it and we'll debate it. You just keep putting up the same stuff about "getting cute."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 11:23 AM

I didn't bring up the subject, just responded to another blogger's post. I don't like 50-60% of what you post and I don't usually say a word on here. So if you don't like my position (or the wording of my position), feel free to curse my name aloud in whatever room you're occupying, flip me the bird, and then skim over it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The lack of anonymous sources who are familiar with the situation is certainly promising...

Hate to see you go JLC. Nice review Paul...

Posted by: jmicrodoc

Yes, certainly. Because Journalism is so much more palatable without sources.

Posted by: TheCork | July 1, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

He never was an elite corner, and the Vikings experiment proved it. But most teams would probably take him as their #2, and jump on him at #3.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 1, 2009 11:27 AM

True, but as I understand it, you want bigger corners in the slot. Smoot ain't big.

I think the combination of Smoot playing really well his first tenure here and talking elite corner trash work against him. Since his return here, he hasn't lived up to either. If he talked like Darrell Green and played even at the level of his first tenure in D.C., he'd get a break.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

When you get something new on Orakpo, then post it and we'll debate it. You just keep putting up the same stuff about "getting cute."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 11:23 AM

I didn't bring up the subject, just responded to another blogger's post. I don't like 50-60% of what you post and I don't usually say a word on here.

Posted by: brownwood26 |

Brownwood--

You LIKE 40-50% of what T_E posts? This may qualify you as his biggest fan.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go hide under my desk for his anticipated Zinger!!

Posted by: TheCork | July 1, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Hand, Learn:

"...One would expect the King of this here blog to directly address those who don't agree with him rather than in the sideways manner of a court jester."


I really don't care if folks disagree with me.

I am much bigger than that.

"A king..," you say?

Naw: don't think so.

If you sat next me in a bar, you'd go home laughing and very drunk.

And I'd be as sober as Judge Joe Moe.

And it's a rare thing when I respond seriously to dudes I can't see.

So I have a bad sense of humor--BFD.

Point is, here in the middle of the summer, there is really very little to seriously comment on.

Review the past couple of days of posts and you'll see that cats are really re-hashing stuff that was spit out about a month before and after the draft.

"Carlos," this, and "CP," that, and "Orakpo," the other thing: the entire dialogue is not very entertaining.

So break up the action with a little humor: if not me, somebody has to.

"Nah, mean?"

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 1, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood--

You LIKE 40-50% of what T_E posts? This may qualify you as his biggest fan.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go hide under my desk for his anticipated Zinger!!

Posted by: TheCork | July 1, 2009 11:36 AM

LOL Cork...believe it or not, I think T_E has some really good stuff to say. If he'd keep it to the discussion (or even the jibba jabba) and stop trying so damn hard to be funny or condescending to other posters, he'd actually carry a great deal of my respect (for what little that's worth).

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

He never was an elite corner, and the Vikings experiment proved it. But most teams would probably take him as their #2, and jump on him at #3.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 1, 2009 11:27 AM

True, but as I understand it, you want bigger corners in the slot. Smoot ain't big.

I think the combination of Smoot playing really well his first tenure here and talking elite corner trash work against him. Since his return here, he hasn't lived up to either. If he talked like Darrell Green and played even at the level of his first tenure in D.C., he'd get a break.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse
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I can't fault the guy for trying to cash in on his potential, and I think the Viks reached for him BIG TIME based on his previous play. Having Champ/Springs on the other side probably improves your chances of getting safety help.

Anyway, I think we agree that he wasn't that great to begin with, which is why I take exception to someone saying his play has diminished.

To your point about the slot cover man: just remember the #3 doesnt get thrown in the slot by default. When Dallas tried to line TO up there last season, Springs moved with him, leaving Smoot and Rogers out wide.

My personal opinion is that depth charts are over rated anyway, and pay more attention to how your 1-3 matches their 1-3. Exhibit A is our WR corps... doesnt matter that our #1 (Moss) is a great WR, because our 2 and 3 are nothing special. Or haven't been for some time.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 1, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Lol - I think you made my point there, Alex... lmao. He sure was responsible for some awesome Reskin sacks, wasn't he? I'm sure Brucey owes him his carreer. ... oyvey.

Oh, and this hit me when the Madoff verdict came down... Where are all the social activists complaining about the severity of this? He didn't kill anybody. He didn't kill any animals. Yet he'll be in prison for the rest of his life. I would have thought this would bring up all kinds of ire. Interesting.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

That D-bag Kellen Winslow is on ESPN First Take...says he plays with the Ravens on Madden. Idiot. No wonder Cleveland wanted to get rid of this guy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Dik,
If he was given the death penalty then maybe you would hear some rumbles. But most people seem to think he got off easy.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I want smoot on the roster for at least one more year. IMO his play has not dropped off significantly (some, yes, but not a lot) and he provides valuable depth. What makes me like him even more is that he proved he was a true warrior in his last year here before the Viks got him. They guy went balls out on every play and played through pain and injuries. With Shawn “I stubbed my toe again so I won’t play this week” Springs gone, maybe Smoot can instill some tough guy mentality into some of these younger guys in the secondary, and not just the corners…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 1, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Wood.
Winslow just likes purple.... Bet you that he triads himself to the Ravens so he can play with himself.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 1, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Right? And yet.. he didn't kill anyone. Odd.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

For you Madden heads here, I found a rating for Brian Orakpo:

Overall: 82
Speed: 83
Strength: 81
Agility: 83
Acceleration: 89
Awareness: 56
Tackle: 79

Those are key ones, the rest you can find on this link:

http://www.pastapadre.com/8238/full-player-ratings-for-madden-10-rookies

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Where's Beantown today? Yanks and Rays are closing the gap. And blowing a 10-1 lead tsk tsk

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 1, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

maybe Smoot can instill some tough guy mentality into some of these younger guys in the secondary, and not just the corners…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 1, 2009 12:13 PM

He's got that going for him...I'll never forget the game in Dallas he played with the rib injury.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 1, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: will_ga | July 1, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"there are those who think Hall will turn into a negative in the locker room...and on the field."

Like who? Players? Coaches? GMs around the league? From where did this come?

"But despite his past off field transgressions,"

What were those exactly? Please enlighten me.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 30, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Exactly! This guy has never done anything wrong except display the cocky attitude that is befitting of a pro bowl corner. He isn't even as cocky as Smoot, and he's a much better player (sorry Smoot) so this kind of reporting needs to stop. Can anyone tell me what this guy's supposed transgressions were? This new blogger needs to get his facts straight or move to Dallas immediately.

Posted by: bosshog7169 | July 1, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I hope he can spell better than Jasno...

Posted by: will_ga | July 1, 2009 12:43 PM

Not me. I thought that was one of the more endearing charms of Jasno Unedited. What I hope is that he doesn't write about taking his kids to the Doodlebops. And no more unnamed "league executive," "talent evaluator" or "team source."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"I really don't care if folks disagree with me.

I am much bigger than that.

"A king..," you say?

Naw: don't think so."

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 1, 2009 11:47 AM


"Welcome to my kingdom, fool!!!:

(INSERT image of frowning crowned black king on throne, two fine carmel-toned honeys on either side, JASNO in a jester suit in the foreground, and countless bloggas bowed down to a force they can't contend with known as Moe)."

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 22, 2009 7:58 AM

Hmmmmm. June 22 was another of your sideways retorts. You don't have a bad sense of humor. You do well at the humor when that's what you're going for. And if you don't care, why the name calling or the explective laced signoff at 10:19 am. I can't speak for others but I take that as someone responding "seriously," especially when it is directed at me whether blatantly or indirectly.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 1, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"the Skins defense will be top 10. The question is it going to be top 2? Up the middle -- Albert + Griffin/Golston, Fletcher, Horton and Landry. That is sick."

The Skins D moves look to be designed to smash the Giants' Three-Headed Ghidrah backfield. There is no reason they won't be top 2. Except the ignition-less offense.

Orakpo is 263 and an infamous workout junkie. No reason he can't gain 10-20 lbs of solid muscle to be a solid permanent DE (run stopper AND Dexter).

Smoot does get burned sometimes, who doesn't, but homey lays some lumber, throwin' his whole body into tackles on the regular, he ain't done..

Posted by: frak | July 1, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo is 263 and an infamous workout junkie. No reason he can't gain 10-20 lbs of solid muscle to be a solid permanent DE (run stopper AND Dexter).

Frak,

I loved me some Mann and Manley back in the day. If we could get another duo like those two I would be as happy as they come. I liked how they seemed like total opposites in relation to personality, but worked well as teammates.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | July 1, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I also like the Manley comparison!

He's sick on AllPro2k8

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 1, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Dex was hard Houston crazy and Charles would be best man at the Royal wedding, those dudes rawked.
Lets hope Prince Albert can free up some outside liquidity for investment..

Posted by: frak | July 1, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

But if you can pressure the QB and stop the run (all of which starts up front with the DL), you can win against ANYBODY.

Posted by: brownwood26

Corollary: If your OL is bad, ANYBODY can beat you

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 1, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

And the Lord said, "Judge Not And Ye Will Not Be Judged"..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZY6qW2Aktk&feature=related

Posted by: frak | July 1, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

We used to rock that joint up on Capitol Hill at Brent Elementary as small black children!!

Posted by: frak | July 1, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

hope he can spell better than Jasno...

Posted by: will_ga | July 1, 2009 12:43 PM

Not me. I thought that was one of the more endearing charms of Jasno Unedited. What I hope is that he doesn't write about taking his kids to the Doodlebops. And no more unnamed "league executive," "talent evaluator" or "team source."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 1, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

lmao you must have read his work today.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | July 1, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

We won't be a top-2 defense cause of our LB's. Fletcher is breaking down, McIntosh has yet to break out and do anything special, Orakpo will be playing LB for the first time in his life.

Posted by: coparker5 | July 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So there will be a byline on RI.

Good thing. This place needs a lighting rod (maybe two).


Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 2, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I get a good vibe from this new guy, what's his name?

Oh, yeah...Rikc.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | July 2, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

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