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Position Battles the Sequel: Running Back

While there were questions about starting spots for the two positions we discussed yesterday, right tackle and wide receiver, there is no such conversation today. Clinton Portis is the starter at running back. Period. But could we see other players getting more carries? And could an unknown work his way onto the roster?

RUNNING BACK


If the season opened today the starter would be:
Clinton Portis, and this has never been in doubt. Coming off of a Pro Bowl season in which he finished fourth in the NFL with 1,487 yards rushing, Portis was the most valuable member of the offense -- especially in the first half of the year, when he fueled the Redskins' run to a 6-2 record.

But amid recent reports that he has had flare ups with Redskins Coach Jim Zorn, there are questions about whether that will affect the star back's role. Portis denied any friction, but he publicly criticized Zorn last season and it would not be surprising if this storyline reappeared at some point in 2009-10.

Portis's production dipped in the second half of the season as he picked up injuries, the Redskins offensive line wore down and defenses focused on stopping the run. He went over 100 yards just once in the final eight weeks of the season, a 143-yard performance against Seattle, and reached 80 yards in the other seven games just once -- in the season finale against San Francisco.

And while there are no doubts that Portis is a back that will get you your hard-earned yards, and he remains one of the top pass-blocking RBs in the league, he has not delivered with long runs that can break open games.

When I think of a big, breakaway run from Portis, the last I can remember is his first-ever carry in Washington, when he housed a 64-yard run against Tampa Bay in 2004. Since then, his longest runs per season have been 47 (TD), 38 (TD), 32 and 31 yards.

Still, Portis is a Pro Bowler and will be the feature back for at least this season and probably a few years beyond.

Other Options: In 2006, with Portis struggling with injuries, backup Ladell Betts stepped into the starting spot and rushed for 1,154 yards on 245 carries, proving he was both capable and worthy of handling a more demanding role for the Redskins.

The season was strong enough to warrant a five-year extension with Washington, but since that breakout season Betts has seen his opportunities shrink. Betts carried the ball just 93 times for 335 yards in 2007 and saw those numbers slip even more last season, as he rushed just 61 times for 206 yards in 13 games while struggling with injuries.

Betts has drawn praise from coaches during off-season workouts. Said offensive coordinator Sherman Smith of players that have stood out: "The guy that's been standing out to me is Ladell Betts. To me, he's stepped his game up. He's preparing like he's a starter. He's taken a leadership role, which I'm not saying he wasn't a leader before, but I just think he's a very good player. He's jumped out to me."

There may very well be more room for Betts to make an impact this season. At the very least, Betts is expected to get more carries as the team looks to lessen the strain on Portis and keep the workhorse healthy. That was the plan last season before Betts's injuries kept him from factoring in heavily, so don't be surprised if he is much more involved in 2009.

Special teams leader Rock Cartwright no doubt has a hold on a roster spot, with his invaluable work. But there are other backs trying to make an impression with their returning ability: Anthony Alridge and Dominique Dorsey. Both are undersized, and both will need successful preseason performances to warrant a spot on the roster.

Alridge has blazing speed -- he clocked a 4.36 40-yard dash at the 2008 Scouting Combine -- and came recommended by former Broncos Coach Mike Shanahan. Perhaps he can fill the change-of-pace role that some feel this franchise needs. Dorsey was a standout returner and running back in the Canadian Football League who will look to find a spot on special teams.

Also in the mix is Marcus Mason, who returns to the Redskins looking to catch onto the roster this time around. Mason endeared himself to Redskins fans the past two preseasons, leading the league in rushing last preseason with 317 yards. He was one of the Redskins final cuts last year and was picked up by the Baltimore Ravens on their practice squad and then signed to the New York Jets active roster. Mason will have to make an impact on special teams to warrant a running back spot.

The Redskins would have to shift other spots on the roster should they choose to keep four running backs (not counting FB Mike Sellers), and one of the other backs -- Alridge, Dorsey or Mason -- will have to make quite the impression to make that happen. But if one could prove they have home run-hitting, change-of-pace talent while also providing help on special teams, it is not impossible that you could see them find a spot on the roster.

By Paul Tenorio  |  June 24, 2009; 11:21 AM ET
 | Tags: Anthony Alridge, Clinton Portis, Dominique Dorsey, Ladell Betts, Marcus Mason, Rock Cartwright  
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Comments

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Posted by: jgr007 | June 24, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

FIRST

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 24, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow, a tie for first. Hopefully the Skins do the same!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Cue the Marcus Mason slurping in 3...2...

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

The battle for the RBs at the tail end of the depth chart will be interesting because you have some special talent guys. Still, its hard to see why the Skins would change anything unless someone really impresses.

The Skins run game works as long as the OL works. Still think Betts should start 1/4 of the games to keep Portis fresher.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Rock cartwright's spot is open. if one of these guys can do kicks and punt, unlike rock, it will make for a tough decision. Rock has value on teams, but they need a speed back that can break things open. the skin's offense is slow except for Santana Moss.

Posted by: oknow1 | June 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

slurp

Posted by: daggar | June 24, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Paul, can you give us some idea of the roster breakdown for the 53-man roster. If the skins were to keep 4 rb's or 6 wr's, where would they likely cut back? LB? DB?

I really hope that one of these little speed backs makes the team. We need that change of pace.

Posted by: brian58 | June 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I hope they keep one of the speedy back also. We could use them on 3rd down situations.

Posted by: TheJury | June 24, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Best case scenario for RB 2009 - 2010:

Starting HB: Mickey Rourke
Backup RB: The Fridge
Returner: Letitcia Baldridge

Posted by: ElYeah | June 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

How many carries and receptions did our #3 RB get in 2008? Our #2 back, Betts, is capable of lots more carries.

Our #3 RB is not an impact position. The question is whether the #3 back can do something else. Rock does lots of other things and does them well.

Tough to replace him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Something tells me this is it for Betts. I can see them stashing a youngish RB at some ST spot or something and then seeing what they can get for him in the offseason. If nothing good comes, maybe they just let him slide.

I've always had problems with his blocking anyway... They shoulda traded him after that one season. Didn't everyone know that was his peak?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If Rock had a hold on a roster spot there wouldn't be three backs in camp to compete with him. No 3rd on the depth chart back in the league has a hold on a spot, if we can (and we should) upgrade we will.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | June 24, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mr. Shuttle, I have to disagree with keeping a young back on the roster to groom. RB is supposedly the easiest position to transition to the League from college, and RB's seem to have what it takes or they ride the pine. Just a thought...

Posted by: BigE44 | June 24, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Rock's not going anywhere. As a returner he's been solid and he captains the ST. What are you guys talking about?!

I actually think they should give him a run at punts too. I'm sure he could average up to 8 a carry.
Mitchell's average wasn't too far from that, was it?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you BigE. But something tells me they'll keep one around and let Betts go at the end of the year.

If someone is better than what they have at backup RB, I'm sure they'll pull the trigger next offseason.

I sure hope they persue some O Line first, though.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Also if Portis breaks down this year than I see the Skins going after a RB in the draft or FA as his replacement. I don't think Portis will be able to take the beating that he does for long.

Posted by: TheJury | June 24, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Trudat, Jury

But if they get O Line goin' (BIG IF!) Portis can stay healthy & still produce.

Let's just not go throwin some pics at a FA, ok?!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Betts has drawn praise from coaches during off-season workouts.

Also in the mix is Marcus Mason, who returns to the Redskins looking to catch onto the roster this time around.

By Paul Tenorio | June 24, 2009; 11:21 AM ET

Same-old, same-old. Aren't these direct quotes from Jasno about this time last year?

Every year Betts impresses, they talk about more carries, and instead they wear Portis out. And every year, Marcus Mason is on the roster until he's not. I'd like to see something different on opening day this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 24, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

we don't need a 4th tailback, end of story. Do we want to improve or have pre season stand outs decorating the sideline?. How about giving Cartwright a couple carries or throws. If one of these cats can return punts AND kicks significantly better than 31 and 82, then MAYBE they could snatch cartwright spot, but I doubt it.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 24, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Shuttle, I agree with you. Hopefully OL stays healthy and produce. We just didn't do much to upgrade in the off season. Maybe they can pick up someone in the final cuts before the season starts.

Posted by: TheJury | June 24, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

You can find value RBs in rounds 2 thru 4 (sometimes even round 6 see TD & Denver).

The major KEY is the OL. Good OL and scheme = good running game. Poor OL = bad running.

It all stems from the front-line. At some point hopefully Danny learns this. You don't need a $10M RB to have a good offense in this league.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 24, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I drafted chase Daniel, marcus mason, and roydell Williams for my fantasy team, any predictions of how I will do?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 24, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

brian58, I think this year's roster will look like this:

3 QBs
3 RB
1 FB
3 TE
5 WR
10 OL
5 S
5 CB
5 DT
10 LB/DE (Fletcher, Blades, MacIntosh, Fincher, Orakpo, Daniels, Wynne, Carter, and several players fighting for 2 spots: Wilson/Jackson/Glenn/Henson)
3 Specialists (K, P, LS)

If a 4th RB is kept, the team will do one of the following (in order of most likely):

-Keep only 4 safetys (Landry, Horton, Moore, Doughty)
-Keep only 9 DE/LBs (Jackson or Wilson is cut)
-Keep only 9 OL (They have Lorenzo Alexander in an emergency so this is possible)
-Keep only 4 CBs
-Keep only 2 TEs (not likely)
-Keep only 4 WRs (not likely)

Posted by: HokiePaul | June 24, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

What is needed is a QB that can punish a defense that focuses on the redskins run game. That QB is clearly not Jason Campbell.

Posted by: mfamrf | June 24, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

trade mason for a first next year....someone has to see his vast, yet untapped, yet unlimited potential....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 24, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

BG,
I think you're the only one;{

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 24, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Could a player have potential that is so unlimited that it would be too big for another team to see?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 24, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

mfamrf, I'll agree we haven't seen amazing football from Soup - but you can't say that it's CLEARLY not Jason Campbell... He hasn't had a line YET. (may not this year either). He gets at least half a season here to prove his worth with the 'upgraded' line.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Happy BDay 4th. You old man. lol

Posted by: jm220 | June 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

trade mason for a first next year....someone has to see his vast, yet untapped, yet unlimited potential....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 24, 2009 1:51 PM

We can rule out New York Jets and Baltimore Ravens. Also, any team where their former coaches went. And, probably, any team that's watched him. Still, got to be someone somewhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 24, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Every year Betts impresses, they talk about more carries, and instead they wear Portis out. And every year, Marcus Mason is on the roster until he's not. I'd like to see something different on opening day this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 24, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Exactly!!! The only thing different from the past four years, is that each one of our RBs is older, more damaged, and less productive than in the past. If the Skins aren't going to legitimately use Betts (or someone else) as a true #2 (i.e. 8+ carries a game and a few receptions), then Portis will start off strong and suck down the stretch. Again.

I'd like Betts to start 4 or 5 games and be the primary back so Portis can stay healthy. Although CP would probably cry to daddy (Snyder).

Posted by: Section104 | June 24, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

and less productive than in the past.


Section104 you may want to go back and look at CP 07 numbers before making that statement. He was more productive in 08

Posted by: jm220 | June 24, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't think you bring guys in like Dorsey and Aldridge without having a plan for them. The team recognized it could use a scat back in several packages, probably after watching the Chargers use Sproles so effectively last year. (There is a twisted irony in the Redskins' actions being inspired by Norv Turner's offense.)

I think one of them makes the team and I wouldn't say Cartwright is a lock at kick returner. There could be a scenario where one of speedsters could be scat back, kick returner and punt returner. There are only so many roster spots and players that can fill multiple roles stand out.

As far as Mason, if the team decides that they can do without Cartwright, I think this opens up a slot that Mason could potentially fill. I think he's a good option as a third string back and after last year's injuries piled up at running back, the team could decide to go with four running backs. I think this scenario only pans out if Cartwright goes.

Betts should get more carries this year to take the load off Portis. He's solid between the tackles and sometimes he can get to the edge. I also like a few packages with Portis and Betts in the backfield at the same time. Betts is not Clinton Portis, but he is a solid runner. He gives them a nice relief for Portis.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 24, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm not talking just total yards gained, because yes, Portis had more yards last year than 2007...but that was mostly because of the first 8 games. He did nothing the last half of the season.

In 2007, Portis carried the team to the playoffs with 4 wins to end the season. I'd say that's much more productive than 2008.

I guess my ultimate point (since we can always debate re: stats, impact, intangibles, etc.) is that Portis is yet another year older and he continues to carry the ball nearly 350 times. At his age, he may be able to do it one more year.

Posted by: Section104 | June 24, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Da de dew ba wap pow skit a dee

Scat back

Posted by: alex35332 | June 24, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"And while there are no doubts that Portis is a back that will get you your hard-earned yards, and he remains one of the top pass-blocking RBs in the league, he has not delivered with long runs that can break open games.
"
by P-Ten

=========================================

Wow moment. So, at the end of the day, he ranks a tad below Jim Brown......

Whatever that means, I'll take him over most in the league now.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 24, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Hokie Paul,

Thanks for that breakdown. Who would the 5th safety be? Lendy Holmes? Is this necessary?

I think we need more production out of the RB's as unit. Portis/Sellers were both pro bowlers, but nobody really helped them out. Cartwright is essentially a special teamer at this point. It would great if we could count on betts for 10 carries, or alridge/dorsey. I'm not opposed to getting rid of Betts. He had his shot, hes the same style back as Portis and less effective. I wouldn't be surprised to see Betts cut. Z-man is trying to make this his team and he'd probably rather have a fast, past catching 3rd down than another bruiser.

Posted by: brian58 | June 24, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

transformers revenge of the fallen was great

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

transformers revenge of the fallen was great

Posted by: lilhollywood10 |

Two more hours and I hope I will be able to agree with you.

Posted by: jm220 | June 24, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

section104 -- totally on board with the Portis/Betts game rotation. I'd love to see a healthier and fresher Portis running in December.

As for using a 'Sproles' model for us, I see that as unlikely. The problem with wanting another Sproles is that there isn't another Sproles.

Norv barely used Sproles most of the season (I know, I had Sproles in FF). It wasn't until LT couldn't go that Norv (reluctantly) gave Sproles the ball. I hate Norv.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought that Todd Collins carried the team to the playoffs in the last 4 weeks of 2007......IMO

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 24, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

shoobedoowopwopsaywhatyeah!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Brian58

you nailed it...this position along with wr, doesn't produce enough plays...in essence we really only have moss as a play making score anytime he gets the ball threat on our whole offense...all dynamic offenses have more than one play making option...portis/ betts are essentially the same...between the taclkes grind it out...if thats our one two punch the third down back needs to have some wiggle....

Posted by: OriginalOldschool | June 24, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

This is Washington in June - shouldn't we be talking about the backup quarterback?

Posted by: spqr2k | June 24, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I wish we had a "Darren Sproles" type...a guy who can catch a screen pass and take it too the house.

Posted by: rickyroge | June 24, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Can we please replace Mike Sellers?

Most over-rated player currently on the roster.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | June 24, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

i dunno if the darren sproles type works out in the east. warm weather, no great defenses in afc west, not a headbanger division. sproles but bigger, but that's reggie bush, good in the return game w/open space, but unable to get lost behind the line like sproles.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

OriginalOldschool, im with you. Its a tricky situation because Cartwright basically is not a running back. They went and signed Shaun Alexander last year instead of handing him the ball 5 times when Betts went down. You could get rid of Betts, but if Portis goes down (knock on wood, it pains me to type that) then who do you hand it to 25 times a game? Alridge/Dorsey? In this division? I really think we need to keep 4 here or if anybody goes, then it has to be cartwright (but hes great on k/p coverage and a decent returner).

we really do need explosiveness in the backfield. i dont think this is norv's model. plenty of other teams use multiple backs with different styles. we really need that change of pace. its not unheard of to keep 4 backs, the giants and a couple other teams do it.

original old school-i completely agree with your point about wr's. i think Thomas will step up and move el back to slot. Kelly will be a red zone threat. Davis will be threat as a quick, athletic tight end. im incredibly optimistic about last year's draft class. I think they'll contribute this year.

Posted by: brian58 | June 24, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

cody glenn as the 4th rb

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Sproles would work out well anywhere. Thing is, he is also unique. Lots of small, quick guys who aren't Sproles. Sproles seems to have amazing vision and great hands. Plus he's remarkably strong and tough for his size.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree with the writer about Portis being here for some "years beyond".

With all the pounding his body has taken I don't see him being here any longer than this season and MAYBE next season. The consistent injuries are going to reduce his production, couple that with the friction between him and Zorn and I think his welcome will be worn out here sooner, rather than later. He doesn't have breakaway speed or elusiveness anymore, once he gets in the open now, it looks like it's hard for him to keep his feet.

I'm no expert on his contract and all the salary cap stuff but I don't see him here beyond 2011. He's just not going to have it.

We do need another featured back, and Betts doesn't impress me much, yes he runs hard, but he has no vision nor elusiveness, but appears to be better catching out of the backfield than Portis.
More speed is needed back there, maybe one of the newcomers can fill the role. Along with OLine, RB is a position that should be addressed in next years DRAFT.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 24, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Zorn and CP won't be exchanging Christmas cards - so what? I don’t care if they hate each other as long as he produces on the field.

Game-breaking speed is definitely a quality you covet in a back, but hell, CP blocks like a man possessed. Inside the 10, he puts it in the end zone better than most backs in the league.

Yeah, he coughed it up at inopportune times last year, but over the years he hasn’t fumbled much at all. He will be in the top 5 in total yards again this year. I’ve never understood how we complain about CP when they are so many other starters that are marginal at their position.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | June 24, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"If Rock had a hold on a roster spot there wouldn't be three backs in camp to compete with him. No 3rd on the depth chart back in the league has a hold on a spot, if we can (and we should) upgrade we will."

Thank you, it's about time too. I am sick of having a #3 RB with no upside. First thing they do when the injury bug struck last year was run out and sign Alexander. Just keep Mason and actually USE the guy. Heck, I'd even be happy with 1 of the 2 speedsters. I just want someone who can develop and eventually take over for Betts and maybe even Portis down the road. Rock is just NOT that guy.

Posted by: McMetal | June 24, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

72 Redskins-I agree. Portis is one of the best in the league and primed for another great season. I just want somebody else that we can give 10 carries to, so he's still around in november, december and hopefully january.

Posted by: brian58 | June 24, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

all star:

I agree that Portis is a beast around the goal line(because of his vision), and is one of the best, if not the best blocking RB in the league, but his days as a dominant back are just about over. He's not Riggins 2.0, but Gibbs 2.0 used him like he was.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 24, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Portis is still a stud, but they overuse him to the point of predictability. The days of Portis being a 30 carry a game back are over. That philosophy is a remnant of Gibbs 2.0.

They should throw to Betts more out the backfield..............

so he can fumble it!

Posted by: rickyroge | June 24, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh - Transformers Update

Skids and Mudflap are negative racial caricatures akin to Jar Jar Binks.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Goal line = jumbo. 4 times please.

OVER and OVER and OVER again!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

What about Mudkips?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I hear the transformers characters have gold teeth, claim to be illiterate, and speak slang, according to a review I read today. Racial stereotypes if I ever heard them. Don't think I need to say which race. Sad.

Posted by: 72Redskins | June 24, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there a little furry one that shoots lightining?

It's pretty amazing they fit in those little red and white balls, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Brian, I happen to agree w/ you about last year's draft...w/ the exception of Tryon - can I assume you're not including him in your optimistic outlook on that draft class?

Also, I agree w/ whomever about not keeping five Safeties - Landry, Horton, Doughty and Moore seems solid, and given the injury rate at RB, I'd rather see the team keep four RBs than five safeties, assuming the talent level justifies it.

Finally, agreed that w/o strong line play (which seems unlikely to last the season given the puddle-deep depth along the line), even Leigh Torrance would have trouble being effective.

Posted by: hogmeister | June 24, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I think the only upgrade needed is the 2nd and 3rd string RBs.

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 24, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

lmao @4th!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are fine at RB. They rarely use the #3 guy on the depth chart as an RB. That spot will go to the player who is best on special teams ... and Rock is strong on teams. Still, if Aldridge is the next Devin Hester ... Rock is gone.

Could someone beat out Betts for the #2 spot? Not sure. That 1,000 yard season he put up in basically half a season was pretty impressive -- except for the fumbles.

Betts clearly demonstrated he can play at a very high level. But its also clear that, in the role as the guy behind Portis, Betts is not contributing as much as his talent suggests.

I'm less worried about a breakaway RB. This offense is going to be about not making mistakes. Keeping drives going, not fumbling, picking up blitzes/OL breakdowns will be the key characteristics for a RB for this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh - Transformers Update

Skids and Mudflap are negative racial caricatures akin to Jar Jar Binks.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abu
i saw it last night. the 2 transformers aren't offensive but aren't as funny as they probably thought they would be IMO.not as bad as jar jar but they were definitely supposed to be black dudes, and no they couldn't read and one had a gold tooth.

Posted by: lilhollywood10 | June 24, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

hogmeister-I'm optimistic about the whole class. i hope tryon/smoot/barnes can battle it out for third spot. Tryon is a bit small though. i have hopes for him on special teams though.

i'd rather have 4 rb's than 5 safeties. we can keep holmes on the practice squad since he went undrafted this year and should one of the others get hurt, call him up. i dont see any need for 5 on game day. actually, id rather keep holmes and send doughty packing

i think line play will be better this year too. a lot of these guys are young and remember that buges was away from the game a little bit during training camp due to family issues. i think having him there the whole time will make a huge difference. dockery was an upgrade and you have to think that heyer/williams/bridges will pan out. also if thomas can't go, i think williams/bridges/rhinehart will be able to fill in ok.

Posted by: brian58 | June 24, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

After seeing the latest sex scandal between the gov of SC and some woman from Argentina, my question is:

How much will this help Argentina's tourism trade?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed at how many posters think a scat back will make a big difference in our O?! We have a pro bowl FB RB tandem, and Betts is solid. Rumor has it, you need extra players in camp, to have camp. The key to portis continuing to be effective is a feared passing attack, not a scat back. Of course any player could lose a job on camp. Anyone pointing to RB as a position in need of improvement is overlooking every other position

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 24, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Rock has been a good player but we need a gamebreaker on kick off returns. He is too slow and has no vision.

Bring on Aldridge and Dorsey.

Posted by: knight1977 | June 24, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Anthony "Quick Six" Alridge is a game changing back from the University of Houston. this guy has talent and much like Chris Johnson (Titans), Alridge is a homerun hitter via air and ground. watch him take a 5 yard catch into a 85 yard TD or taking a handoff all the way with his elusiveness and vision.

Posted by: goodtogo28 | June 24, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

zcest,
I gotta believe it will pay huge dividends for Argentina. I've always had a strong yearning to tour those tropical shores.

And, I feel Gov Sanfords pain, if some hot Argentinean lady would give me the time of day, well, I'd be her lap dog in about 10 seconds.

Yep, I'd be off hiking the Pacific breast trail, not to be heard from for minutes at a time.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 24, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I think the FO is going to treat this year as a rebuilding year. I expect a few "core" Redskins to be released in favor of the promise of youth.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 24, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Investigators said they found an "anomaly" in a circuit in the tracks near the site of Monday's deadly train collision in Washington, suggesting that a communications system failure could have contributed to the crash.

--Breaking news on the Wall Street Journal

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 24, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Hell, a GARMIN GPS could have stopped this accident. stupid waste of life and resources. so. so. sad.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 24, 2009 10:55 AM |

I don't think I understand how a Garmin GPS would have helped if the problem was a communication system breakdown. And, for that matter, would would constitute an intelligent waste of life?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 24, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

If the Gov wanted a hot crazy Latino women he could have gone to Miami and save a lot of time and money

Posted by: noonefromtampa | June 24, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If the Gov wanted a hot crazy Latino women he could have gone to Miami and save a lot of time and money

Posted by: noonefromtampa

Here's a guy who doesn't understand the concept. Tell me, how much money did this fling cost the governor?

(Hint: if you don't include terms like "net assets" in your answer, you don't have the right answer ...)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 24, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I don't think you bring guys in like Dorsey and Aldridge without having a plan for them.

postrd by: redskinhead

No argument. What the Redskins have lacked for some time now, however, is a SUCCESSFUL plan for the people they bring in.

I'm sure they had a plan for Jason Taylor and Erasmus James and Devin Thomas and Alarm Clock Davis and Malcolm Kelly etc last year.

They have plans for Mike Williams and Jeremy Bridges this year too.

The trouble is their plans have gone awry because they've ended up with more Mice than Men.


Posted by: TheCork | June 24, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

If Rock had a hold on a roster spot there wouldn't be three backs in camp to compete with him. No 3rd on the depth chart back in the league has a hold on a spot, if we can (and we should) upgrade we will.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | June 24, 2009 1:02 PM

That's ridiculous. You have 80 roster spots right now. Eventually, you've got to cut that down to 53. So you're talking about 27 guys you have on your roster right now who won't make the team. You can't tell me the staff has meaningful plans for EVERY one of the 80 guys.

Rock plays RB, plays kick coverage and he's their primary kick returner. If you replace him, you likely need at least two guys to do it. And coaches value those players who fill multiple roles since you can only dress 44 on game day.

What folks up here seem to constantly forget is that your #3 RB is likely not going to play many snaps at RB (we're still screaming for them to play the #2 RB with some regularity!) and will make the greatest contribution on special teams. Right now Rock has an edge on anyone in that respect.

We go through this every year it seems: someone wants to cut Rock for Marcus Mason or Aldridge or whoever the undrafted flavor of the month is just because they're younger. If one of these young guys can BEAT ROCK OUT IN OPEN COMPETITION, then I'll be the first to thank Rock for his years of service to the Burgundy and Gold and send him on his way. But until then Rock is your 3rd RB and a damn good one.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 24, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Listen people,Phillip Daniels is bigger and stronger and more experienced at playing end on this level.Why all the second guessing our defensive couching staff about this issue regarding Orakpo's use?I think it's brilliant,It's taken Mario Williams 3 years to become a consistent DE in this league.Orakpo will be more productive playing LB this year and maybe next,but you still want to have him on the feild to utilize his rediculous athletic ability,and linebacker is the perfect fit for now.

Posted by: mark65 | June 24, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ignorant I see my speeling errors,coaching and field.

Posted by: mark65 | June 24, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ignorant I see my speeling errors,coaching and field.

Posted by: mark65 | June 24, 2009 7:57 PM

Plus you misspeelled your name, Mork.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 24, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

if we do replace rock I hope it is with someone BETTER not just to be younger and faster. Mason had a purdy good pre season and didnt make it, so these boys would have to run back a TD and hope Rock fumbles to unseat the captain of the special teams and 2nd longest tenured redskins.

What the running game needs is to not be the ONLY consistent performer. Improved passing willnopen up running lanes. Portis doesn't break long runs because the DBs aren't worried about our receiving Corp

Posted by: pabrian2003 | June 24, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The Marcus Mason torch is passed!

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 24, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The governor of SC singin' "don't cry for me Argentina, you kept your promise, now keep your distance ... "

Posted by: periculum | June 24, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The hype on MARCUS MASON is crazy. If he could not beat out ROCK CARTRIGHT then he has problems at least according to the team. From a running back standpoint Rock has had one good game and he does not have breakaway speed so send this guy somewhere else and move on to someone else who is more dynamic if its one of the guys they brought in as free agents then so be it. I just want to win games. WE AS REDSKIN FANS NEED MORE BIG PLAYS FROM WHOMEVER. Snyder and Vinny can run out there I dont care.

Posted by: wattsicon | June 24, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

By the way i love joe gibbs. he always made me feel like everything was going to be alright. For that as a fan i commend him.

Posted by: wattsicon | June 24, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Also by the way justin tryon and leigh torrence sucks lets cut these guys and stop wasting roster spots on these guys. oh wait torrence is already gone

Posted by: wattsicon | June 24, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

All of the talk about portis. As skins fans who would you rather have? Portis is still a beast

Posted by: wattsicon | June 24, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Betts is a fumbler. He often fumbles at the worst times.

You can count on it. Every 35 carries or so he coughs it up. That is why they run Portis so much. Except for last year, Portis was not much of a fumbler in key situations.

While he has good receiving hands and runs the screens and swing passes better than Portis, Bett's pass blocking is below average and he seems to run straight up too often, and sometimes churns/spins for extra yards with his back to would-be tacklers (bad) which in turn causes him to get hit awkwardly when driving for the extra yards or when being held up by one defensive player and finished by others, and the ball pops out.

Comparitively speaking you will see Portis staying lower (less target to hit) and making lateral jump cuts more than Betts. He (Portis) also recognizes hard hits coming and dives to ground when neccessary to gain the extra yard or half yard, while still avoiding fumbling situations.

Posted by: DownTownClown | June 24, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

what brownwood said...

Posted by: RedskinWillie | June 25, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

From a running back standpoint Rock has had one good game and he does not have breakaway speed so send this guy somewhere else and move on to someone else who is more dynamic if its one of the guys they brought in as free agents then so be it. I just want to win games. WE AS REDSKIN FANS NEED MORE BIG PLAYS FROM WHOMEVER. Snyder and Vinny can run out there I dont care.

Posted by: wattsicon | June 24, 2009 10:33 PM

More foolishness...

So your solution to getting "big plays from whomever" is to get rid of the guy who ranks among the league leaders in kick return yardage and keep the guy who runs in circles in lieu of returning punts? This team has a lot of problems, but Rock Cartwright is far from one of them. Rock is the kinda guy the Gibbs 1.0 era was built on and to get rid of him just to get rid of him is stupid and the team would pay dearly on special teams for doing that.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Betts is a fumbler. He often fumbles at the worst times.

Posted by: DownTownClown | June 24, 2009 11:39 PM

This is a misconception...I agree with the 2nd sentence, but to label Betts a fumbler is wrong.

In 7 years, he's got 13 fumbles. Six of those came in '06. Out of 245 carries. That's one fumble per 40 carries, not the greatest ratio in the world, but not enough to be called a fumbler.

He's a lot like Stephen Davis in this regard...Davis had 1945 career carries and fumbled 25 times. That's about once every 78 carries. But because many of those fumbles came at VERY inopportune times (at least as a Redskin), he's got a rep as a fumbler.

To me a fumbler is a guy who is prone to fumbling just about any time he touches it. I wouldn't call Betts or anyone on the Redskins roster that guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 6:43 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

With you all the way on Rock as a returner and Betts as not a fumbler. This stuff gets posted on RI with no basis and with no regard for the statistics, and then a few sheep like DTC and wattsicon repeat it, thinking that they're following the shepherd out to chew grass. You can give them the numbers until the cows come home and they won't understand. Baaa. Mooo.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Tranformers was straight heat. The mother will keep you laughing and they finally have Prime bring the wood. I thought the first movie they made him a little weak.

Posted by: jm220 | June 25, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

Tranformers was straight heat. The mother will keep you laughing and they finally have Prime bring the wood. I thought the first movie they made him a little weak.

Posted by: jm220 | June 25, 2009 7:08 AM

JM, I just finished reading the review from the Post and they called it straight crap. I'll still go and see it (after all, the Post hates at least 3 out of 4 movies anyway), but I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

B I can tell you that the Post is full of crap. Without telling you the movie the twins are going to have you in tears and the mother is just out of control in this one. LMAO!! I am going to go see it again this weekend.

Posted by: jm220 | June 25, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood went to the Post review and I went to Joe Morgenstern in the Wall Street Journal: "The new Transformers is impressive for what it is, glittering pieces of computer-generated machinery that gyrate, undulate, somersault and explode. But even for those who enjoy glittering pieces of machinery -- and I'm one of them, up to a point -- Michael Bay's 150-minute celebration of attention deficit disorder is like a July 4th fireworks display that doesn't end until July 8th and makes you swear off Roman candles for life."

I hope to see it when it comes to the Eastern Shore, but will follow Morgenstern's recommendation -- MaxLite earplugs -- although the Roseland's sound system is from about 1985 so it may not be necessary.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 7:23 AM | Report abuse

Thanks JM and T_E...I'm gonna go with the Mrs either today or tomorrow to check it out. If passed on every movie the Post didn't like, I'd always be stuck watching films like Dan in Real Life and Juno.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 7:34 AM | Report abuse

brownwood,

With you all the way on Rock as a returner and Betts as not a fumbler. This stuff gets posted on RI with no basis and with no regard for the statistics, and then a few sheep like DTC and wattsicon repeat it, thinking that they're following the shepherd out to chew grass. You can give them the numbers until the cows come home and they won't understand. Baaa. Mooo.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 6:52 AM | Report abuse

t_e, the farmer in the dell says "that's no bull! E I E I O!"

Posted by: frediefritz | June 25, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

jm, thanks for posting that, is it kid friendly, like 7 year old friendly?? Whats it rated?? I watched the first one with my son, and it didn't seem so bad.

I think its hilarious that corky still can't get over Fred Davis oversleeping. Not a dui. Not a night in the pokey. Not having 12 kids by 7 different women. Oversleeping. That along with the people up here who call a rookie not being in NFL shape, a "character issue".....ufb...go windex the glass in your house....

Cue up AI's practice but substitute "oversleeping" for "practice"......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 25, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

"Still think Betts should start 1/4 of the games to keep Portis fresher. Posted by: zcezcest1"

I'd be content if he got a quarter of the total carries. He's just a good back that was underutilized last season. I couldn't prove it, but I suspect the wear and tear on Portis was nearly as important to the falloff in running yards as the various problems on the O-line.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff, Greg. But I can understand getting on Thomas for not taking things serious enough. I don't know about you, but when I start a new job I like to put my best foot forward and prove myself not only to my colleagues but to the people that hired me. I don't know too many people that don't. So for him to come in here out of shape and slack on learning the playbook, says to me he's not the kind of guy that does well in this league.

Davis deserves grief for not learning the playbook, not oversleeping. Everyone here has been late to work for oversleeping at least once. As long as it's not a habit, it's excusable. But you're right...no Pacman Jones on this team so it should be put in that perspective.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

B it has a couple parts in it that not kid friendly. Overall you should be alright.

Posted by: jm220 | June 25, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

dikshuttle: "I actually think they should give him a run at punts too. I'm sure he could average up to 8 a carry."

I don't see that. Rock needs a two or three step run-up to get to full speed. Punt returners don't get that sort of space. His strength as a kick returner is that he makes positive yardage and doesn't waste time juking. Punt returners often have to make the first guy miss to get any sort of room at all. That's partly why the job descriptions are divided -- guys who do both, like Chris Carr, are uncommon.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

"Every year Betts impresses, they talk about more carries, and instead they wear Portis out. And every year, Marcus Mason is on the roster until he's not. I'd like to see something different on opening day this year.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

I think a reasonable target for Betts would be averaging 7 carries a game, exclusive of receptions, over a 16 game season.

And I think if Marcus Mason ever gets to play much during the regular season, then Houston, the Skins have a problem.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Samson, I agree that a PR needs to get off the catch quick but the notion that a PR should ever juke I never understand. If you need to juke just fair catch the dang ball, I am sick of seeing a guy juke 5 times for 3 yards, it does not work and just exposes the player to injury or a turnover. Get the legs turning, move as north/south as you can and pick up as many yards as possible.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 25, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

"First thing they do when the injury bug struck last year was run out and sign Alexander"

The signed Alexander because 1) he was cheap, and 2) Zorn knew how good he used to be.

A mistake, they recognized it, end of story.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

" If you need to juke just fair catch the dang ball, I am sick of seeing a guy juke 5 times for 3 yards, it does not work and just exposes the player to injury or a turnover. Get the legs turning, move as north/south as you can and pick up as many yards as possible. Posted by: alex35332"

It's not so much a juke as an ability (probably innate) to make the first guy miss. The opposition wants their defender to be virtually on top of the returner when the ball arrives (why they try not to outkick the coverage). A quick step to one side is usually enough to free the returner for at least a few yards.

Fair catching is risky when the defenders are too close. You can get distracted and end up fumbling. If the ball's too close to your own goal, the coach would probably prefer the returner get out of the way entirely.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Well of course if your within 10 of the Goal you don't fair catch it. One think I have frequently tried in madden (and I wonder why they dont do it ever in the NFL, why not rush eleven to block the punt? You know that you are going to get the ball back no matter what happens so give it a chance once or twice, especially on teams with S**T for returners.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 25, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember B-Mitch having blazing speed or confounding elusiveness. What he DID have and RockC does as well is determination. And for the overall average I believe Rock would come out further than anyone else we have on the roster. I think this is also due to there being no real blocking to speak of on punts. This has been part of the problem w/ ARE's production and I believe would effect Hall as well.

If our blocking was rock solid, I believe the elusive/quick style returner would be more successful. In our system I think we need a fireplug pushing the ball forward for 5-8 yards.

Oh, and another thing... Have you looked at punters stats when they're being pressured? - they kick lousy! Try throwing an extra rusher or two at the punter. They don't need to block it, just throw off the punter. I bet you'll see our average go up!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Fair catching is risky when the defenders are too close. You can get distracted and end up fumbling. If the ball's too close to your own goal, the coach would probably prefer the returner get out of the way entirely.


Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse


If the returner calls fair catch, the coverage guys have to give him a cushion (3 yards?) to catch the ball or they'll get called for interference.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 25, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The key is coaches opening up their biases the Skins need a change of pace back, Betts is not the answer, he has no speed, awareness, vision, or blocking ability.

For some reason people act like he cannot be replaced.
Mason moves the chains every preseason he has good speed and vision he just seems to know how to get yards.

I am very interested in seeing Alridge and Dorsey they are supposedley in the Darren Sproles mold if so you have to make or create a roster spot for them we need all the weapons we can get on offense.

Speaking of Zorn's West Coast offense where is the quick slant? I don't think I saw that play called once all last year which is a staple of any West Coast offense.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | June 25, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Mason moves the chains every preseason he has good speed and vision he just seems to know how to get yards.

Should have included:

"know how to get yards against guys who don't populate any NFL roster, and are soon back at their regular jobs, once cut from whatever team they're trying out for

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 25, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Portis produces on Sunday's all this BS about him an Zorn not liking each other whether true or not is irrevelent. Hell I don't like my dam boss but I go to work everyday not for him but to get my check.

With that being said the Skins need a change of pace back , Betts is not the answer , the problem is playing in the NFC East you need a guy who is relentless and doesn't fumble. If Mason is given the oppportunity I feel he can do better then Betts we just need to see Mason with the first team offensive line and look at his receiving ability I feel any of these guys can block better then Betts.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | June 25, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

jm, thanks for the movie update.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 25, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

jm, thanks for the movie update.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 25, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember B-Mitch having blazing speed or confounding elusiveness. What he DID have and RockC does as well is determination. And for the overall average I believe Rock would come out further than anyone else we have on the roster. I think this is also due to there being no real blocking to speak of on punts. This has been part of the problem w/ ARE's production and I believe would effect Hall as well.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 9:17 AM


Amen, Dik!

The only thing wrong with that statement is that ARE's lack of production is on ARE, not his blockers. His immediate instict is to dance around and wait for holes. If he just started running forward instead or spinning backwards, you'd be surprised how much better the punt return numbers would be!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

TruDAT, Brownie!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Red, How insane were you going during that US win yesterday!? I'm still buzzing over the victory. Just admit it, you are too.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I think if Betts got more carries he wouldn't fumble as much. It's hard to get thrown into the game without much warning. Running backs need to get into a rhymthm. That's hard to do when you have hap hazard playing time! Betts has proven he is a starting quality back with his 1,000 yard season.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | June 25, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Red, How insane were you going during that US win yesterday!? I'm still buzzing over the victory. Just admit it, you are too.

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 10:20 AM

What? USA hoops is playing and I missed it?

I keed, I keed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

PSP - Are they going to do a re-run of the Spain match on HiDef? When I saw we were playing them I didn't even bother... lol.

There's a game coming up at RFK, right? Honduras?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

When is the sourcerers face going to be erased from this site? It still haunts me.

Posted by: JLaCanfora | June 25, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Dik, if you have espn360 you can watch the replay at any time. They showed a replay last night at 11pm on espn2, but I'm not sure if they'll do it again.

There is a game for the Gold Cup coming up at RFK against Honduras. Though it won't be the same team as this tournament. Most of the European based players will rest because the Gold Cup doesn't really mean much this time around, but a lot of the younger, future 'stars' will be playing (Freddy Adu, Charlie Davies, Stuart Holden, Santino Quaranta).

Posted by: psps23 | June 25, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

When is the sourcerers face going to be erased from this site? It still haunts me.

Posted by: JLaCanfora | June 25, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What the hell you talking about LaCanfora's face has been off here since the week after he left.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 25, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

refresh your browser cache, buddy... lol

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Purgatory = every web site that you hit has Jasno's smiling face at the top...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 25, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Purgatory = every web site that you hit has Jasno's smiling face at the top...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 25, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Or how about Edwin William's face while wearing Jasno's glasses??

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | June 25, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Anyone seen any of his work over at NFL yet?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Both Betts and Cartwright are getting close to the wall, Alridge and Dorsey offer some much needed speed to compete in the NFC East, especially since the rest of the teams had lots more draft picks and got a hefty injection of youth. ARE's cocky attitude would be a lot cooler if he had more production at punt returner (faircatch is his best play lately, and anyone can do that). RB production will still hinge on the O-line (remember them??) , which remains the potential Vegas jerry-rig question mark Vinny's "Total Recall" eyeballs bugout over..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

PSP - I was out sick yesterday and there was nothing good on TV. So I ran into the game. Watched 20 mins of it.

Like I said on Monday, the US will upset Espanoila. And they did.

'Ye of little faith'......

(That said, I couldn't get with the program)

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

File this under,"Shoulda, coulda, woulda:"

The Redskins shoulda drafted Steve Slaton (RB, WVU).

Chia Pet was screaming his clay lungs out on this one, and NO ONE LISTENED. Just look at his rookie campaign with the Texans. I'd trade me any one of our three 1st rounders for Steve Slaton.

I do love me come CP, but it's inevitable that we start to see his numbers dip further, as we did the second half of the 08/09. season.

AS for our WR's Marko Mitchell over Malcolm Kelly on the depth chart...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

what an image...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 25, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'd trade me any one of our three 1st rounders for Steve Slaton.

what first rounders do you speak of??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 25, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Rock's Career Stats:
183 returns, 24.4 yard average return for 5438 and ONE TOUCHDOWN.

I mean, you gotta love this guy. That's a nice resume, but one touchdown in 183 returns???????

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Larry, Mo, and Curly.

aka DT, FT, and MK.

All 2nd rounders, but whateves...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I mean, you gotta love this guy. That's a nice resume, but one touchdown in 183 returns???????

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:22 AM

You say that like it's a bad thing. How many TDs do you think he should have in 183 returns?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm now going to go apply for my Utah driver's license, AGAIN.

Last time I tried they turned me away because I didn't have a social security card, so I went to the social security office and applied for a replacement card, for no charge, but it took two weeks to show up in my mailbox.

Be right back...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I'd like to see at least 2 returns for scores every 100 or so returns.

JC needs all the help he can get, so let's just say the more points we can score on special teams, the better...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Really? Chia's can have SS Cards? Wow! I guess the state of Utah was worried that you might be an illegal Chia Pet, otherwise known as a Wet Clay Back.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 25, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

This Chia Pet doesn't need to cross no river.

I'm a citizen and I work hard for my sprouts, which ain't much these days.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Like I said, I'll be back...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

This Chia Pet doesn't need to cross no river.

I'm a citizen and I work hard for my sprouts, which ain't much these days.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:40 AM


So you just turned 16?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 25, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Is that 16 in Clay years or People years?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 25, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This is where it gets complicated.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | June 25, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

originaletrod: "If the returner calls fair catch, the coverage guys have to give him a cushion (3 yards?) to catch the ball or they'll get called for interference."

Yeah, good luck with that. They're screaming and yelling and saying impolite things about his mother...

The thing with fair-catching a punt is when you stick your arm up. If you do it early and give up on the runback, you're OK. But if you wait a little too long, the odds of a fumble go up.

It all depends on the returner.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Anyone seen any of his work over at NFL yet?

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 11:10 AM


I can't get it to play cuz I'm at work but NFL dot com has a "around the league" from yesterday with JLC in the videos section...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 25, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Marcus Mason, whatever happened to Tommy Mason? I know he married Cathy Rigby (now, that's what you call a "spinner"!! VAAA-ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!! flip the choke..)..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Rock's Career Stats:
183 returns, 24.4 yard average return for 5438 and ONE TOUCHDOWN.

I mean, you gotta love this guy. That's a nice resume, but one touchdown in 183 returns???????

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:22 AM


In case you're new to football, Devin Hester is the exception, not the rule. He had about as many returns in 2 years as Brian Mitchell had his entire career. And he's got the most returns for TDs of ANYONE IN NFL HISTORY.

Look at it this way: Brian Mitchell had only 4 KR for TDs in his career. He did most of his damage on punt returns. For his career: 23.1 yards per return, 4 TDs and 14 fumbles.

And you're b*tchin' about Rock's 24 ypr average?

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

But even Rocks age..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Just watched the video. JLaC so far is just regurjatating (sp?) info. Well see come August how he shapes up to Adam Schefter.

Also, I noticed he has a lazy eye and prob not a lot of camera experince. He needs to be a little more energetic. But this is the time to hone in on those little things.

Not trying to be mean, but after watching that video, JLa reminded me of Sloth from the Goonies ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkB5-BHxKZI ).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Hester's a total freak..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Devin Hester is not the exception. Leon Washington also has 4 TDs in 101 returns. Other KRs also have more than one TD in fewer returns.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, JLC shows some hounddawg on the porch in that video (kinda cool, ack-tually)

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

And Rock's failure to reach the endzone is not for a lack of opportunities. He's just not fast enough to get it done. I don't think he makes the team. Eloi or Dorsey is going to take his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Leon burst on the scene, teams are horrified of getting the ball into Hester's hands..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Since I was sick yesterday, I didn't get a chance to offer my theory, re: Snyder recommends JLa to NFLN.

I think that was bogus by Florio. It seems his 'source' is trying to set up a certain perception of this whole feud thing (Post/JLa vs. Vinny/Danny). I just don't know what, though. So, it seems, that was prob for JLa and/or the Post to make them feel better and show that the Danny is a bigger man (figurativly speaking) than most thought.

And, this just adds to my theory that Vinny is one of Florio's Main 'Sources' for 'Skins tid bits......

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 25, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

TE,

I'd like to see at least 2 returns for scores every 100 or so returns.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | June 25, 2009 11:33 AM |

Last year there were 13 KOs returned for TDs. There were 256 games in the season, so that's about one returned for every 20 games -- less than one per week.

How many kickoffs are there in a game, on average? There are two to start the halves and one for each score. What's that make? Nine? Ten? If so, then one for a TD in 183 returns is right on track.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Devin Hester is not the exception. Leon Washington also has 4 TDs in 101 returns. Other KRs also have more than one TD in fewer returns.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2009 12:15 PM

You just gave me two names. There's at least 30 other return guys in the league. When 10-15 returns guys have 4 TDs in a two years span, then it because the rule and not the exception.

This isn't Madden. Your return guy isn't likely to score you a bunch of TDs. You gotta take the kick return game for what it is--a chance to set up the offense with good field position. Rock does that. TDs are gravy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 25, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

It's probably wise to view Hester's success during his first couple years as something of a hot streak. Teams quickly figure out how to limit those TD returns. Some coach's job depends on it. The easiest way is to kick it where he ain't; but at the very least, to focus 100% of your attention on penning the guy up so he can't break a long one -- almost a 'prevent' strategy.

Rocket Ismail used to do the same thing in college, but the NFL was a different story. They were ready for him. Same with Desmond Howard, except maybe for that Super Bowl.

I suspect Rock's strongest argument is his leadership of special teams. Unless you're rebuilding the whole club, you don't want to make unnecessary changes in your team leaders. Unless you're Dan Snyder, I mean.

It's punt returns they're focusing on, not kickoffs, and rightly so. Better field position and no fumbles, that's the priority.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

RIP Farrah Fawcett

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | June 25, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I think with Thrash gone, and the fact that they still have not re-signed K. Campbell, they will HAVE to keep Rock on the team if not solely to captain the special teams….They can put one of the speed guys (CFL guys) back there with him on KO returns if they make the roster and use them as a “3rd down” back once in a while, but bottom line is with special teams in need of a leader I don’t think that they can cut Rock…..he might not be the 3rd string tailback, but we still need the guy.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 25, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"I suspect Rock's strongest argument is his leadership of special teams."

Rock is a strong leader on a mediocre special teams unit. Thorough preparedness in all aspects of the game is a common trait of Super Bowl champions. We definitely will not win any Super Bowls anytime soon without improvement in our special teams. Suisham gets some leeway for his hammie 'cuz he's still young, and we can't afford to let any Akers slip out of our Baltimore-Ravens-style team happen again..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

brownwood, I gave you the name of two guys who had 4. I also said there were others that had more than 1 on fewer returns. I wasn't going to post a list. I like Rock but he's not the fastest return guy. He has good vision and is great at picking lanes but when I press turbo he doesn't go any faster and gets run down from behind.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Who is our backup fullback? Or who lead-blocks for CP should Mike Sellers go down?

Did Rock play fullback in college?

Still can't believe Akers played for us once upon a time. We've been looking for a serviceable FG kicker for awhile. Suisham's aight on Kickoffs

Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Learned, did you just spell out that you were basing your decision on a video game performance?! lol...

Touchdowns-Smuchdowns. Give me low fumbles, good field position and a steady consistent positive return.

The game of football is about CONTROL, not flash. I think the Giants/Pats stuporbowl from two years ago proves this yet again.

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

And Rock's failure to reach the endzone is not for a lack of opportunities. He's just not fast enough to get it done. I don't think he makes the team. Eloi or Dorsey is going to take his job.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2009 12:18 PM |

Rock was tenth in the league last year in return average. Certainly room for improvement. Hope that Eloi or Dorsey take his job and finish in the top five, but the test isn't getting the ball into the end zone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Dint know the Rock was 10th...Still need PR and scatback-ism..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Typical RI day spent ripping a top ten player in the league... lmfao.

...maps...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Magglio Ordonez...(it just needed to be said)..

Posted by: frak | June 25, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Who is our backup fullback? Or who lead-blocks for CP should Mike Sellers go down?

Did Rock play fullback in college?

Still can't believe Akers played for us once upon a time. We've been looking for a serviceable FG kicker for awhile. Suisham's aight on Kickoffs


Posted by: Vicc | June 25, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Akers played one game for us and missed a couple of field goals, then Norvel Turner cut him that afternoon. Rock came here as a fullback. When we had a shortage of running backs he lost about 20 pounds and served the team as a running back.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | June 25, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Chad Morton was a great KR for 1 year for the Jets. We all saw how that turned out. Jetskins, what a sorry group that turned out to be. Couple good years outta Randy Thomas.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 25, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Chad Morton was a great KR for 1 year for the Jets. We all saw how that turned out. Jetskins, what a sorry group that turned out to be. Couple good years outta Randy Thomas.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 25, 2009 1:58 PM |

Coles had a strong year for us. And Moss has been great. Go suck a lemon, Todd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

On punt returns, Keith Jackson, the old college football announcer, summed it up best. He'd just watched a PR pull an ARE, a move to the left, a move to the right, and -- and then tackled -- gaining nothing. It went something like this:

"Once you catch the ball, you gotta get upfield. If you're just gonna dance, you might as well be wearing a tutu."

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 25, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

frak: "Rock is a strong leader on a mediocre special teams unit. Thorough preparedness in all aspects of the game is a common trait of Super Bowl champions. We definitely will not win any Super Bowls anytime soon without improvement in our special teams."

Hmmm? that's sort of a non sequitur.

If Rock's a strong leader on a mediocre unit, why replace him? Doesnt' it make more sense to replace the special teamers who aren't performing well?

"..definitely will not win any Super Bowls anytime soon without improvement in our special teams."

If somebody asked me, I'd say our punt return, long field goal, and punting games need help. I'm not seeing much wrong with kickoffs and kickoff returns. You disagree?

Rock Cartwright is a problem? Somebody that's keeping us out of the Super Bowl? I sure don't see it.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"Once you catch the ball, you gotta get upfield. If you're just gonna dance, you might as well be wearing a tutu." Posted by: zcezcest1'

Well, I'll give old Keith today's award for Folksiest Saying About The Game of Footbawl. The Lifetime Achievement award goes to the guy who insisted that only three things could happen when you passed the ball, and two of them were bad.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

On KO returns in 2008, there were 12 kickoff returns for a TD, by 11 different guys.

The top 40 guys (in terms of number of returns) returned around 1400 kickoffs in 2008. So maybe around 1500 returns total, across the league in 2008, and 12 TDs.

That's 1 TD out of every 125 returns.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 25, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 25, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Although my favorite all-time color commentator was the now-forgotten fellow who insisted that the secret to winning a championship was to make sure you scored your points when you needed to.

Posted by: Samson151 | June 25, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Learned, did you just spell out that you were basing your decision on a video game performance?! lol...

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 25, 2009 1:20 PM

No. I was just picking up on brownwood's Madden reference.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | June 25, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Santana wasn't a part of the Jetskin group talent jagoff.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 25, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there's any chance Rock doesn't make this team as several have said- he's too valuable on special teams. Hell I'm playing golf with him next week, I hope they don't boot him.

So excuse me guys, been romping around Europe for a while and haven't blogged in forever - did JLC get canned??

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | June 25, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Chad Morton was a great KR for 1 year for the Jets. We all saw how that turned out. Jetskins, what a sorry group that turned out to be. Couple good years outta Randy Thomas.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | June 25, 2009 1:58 PM |

Coles had a strong year for us. And Moss has been great. Go suck a lemon, Todd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | June 25, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh how I've missed thee, TE...

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | June 25, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

What is needed is a QB that can punish a defense that focuses on the redskins run game. That QB is clearly not Jason Campbell.

Posted by: mfamrf | June 24, 2009 1:49 PM

Hey, the blog is about running backs not QB, and no matter what your wishes are, santa will not bring it this season. Jason Campbell will be the skins QB for, at the least, this season; memorize that and get off it.
As far as running backs is concerned, Betts is simply pre-season diva who turns to micky mouse during regular season. I think everyone will be surprised if at season opener we have Portis, Mason, Rock and Aldridge as our runners.

Posted by: abxinc | June 25, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood and Talent_Evaluator my post suggested Betts fumbles about every 35 carries your stats suggest about every 40, not all that far off to warrant your brainless cow reference. What your numbers or may or may not be counting is all his fumbles which are recovered by the Redskins. He lets the ball slip away alot.

If the coaches had more confidence, he would be in there more..period.

Posted by: DownTownClown | June 26, 2009 7:49 AM | Report abuse

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