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Position Glance - Quarterback

In the next few weeks we'll go over every position group with an eye to the draft. Figured I'd start with QB today. Everyone in the organization has said Jason Campbell is the guy for the present and the future and given the ridiculous rate of turnover at this most important position for this franchise, one would hope the kid would be given a full season at least in this new system before judgments are made.

Todd Collins proved last year that he is a pro's pro, merging the intellect and instincts no one disputed he possessed with a playing acumen previously unseen in more than a decade, given his eons between NFL starts. Re-signing Collins was the team's primary focus during the early days of free agency, and remains the only substantial contract they have doled out this off season (excluding the millions they continued to dole out to their own players in their never-ending dash to create cap space, a rite of spring around here).

So, this leaves the third QB spot wide open. Vinny Cerrato has been upfront about his hope to find a future backup QB in this draft; someone to hold the clipboard for a few years and then be able to be the No. 2. Last year Cerrato's attempt to land someone for this role via the draft completely bombed. They took Jordan Palmer in the sixth round and he was not even close to being ready for the practice squad. His training camp and mini camp were downright ugly at times, save for a perfect pass for a TD in the scrimmage against Baltimore. There's no more Mark Brunell around for insurance as the third QB, so this time the kid better be able to play. Palmer signed with the Bengals where he was reunited with his brother, and it will be interesting to see if Carson can help turn him into a viable back-up option down the road.

On the overall list of draft needs, you can't rate QB above the biggies for now - D Line, O Line, WR, DB - but with nine picks to choose from it's hard to imagine the Skins not going after a kid passer on the second day of the draft.

Randoms: A lot of Nats fans have jumped all over me for remarks I made on Comcast about the empty seats at the first game at the new ballpark and my concerns over the attendance there. Well, since then they've failed to draw to draw 25,000 to a game, with entire sections of the park appearing vacant on TV the other night. And the weather yesterday was as good as it's been in seemingly forever. Again, try to convince me how this is a great omen? From what I am told the season ticket base this season is less than it was the first year back at RFK, and they project to 2.3 million fans or so in the first year of a brand new park with a team that is supposed to be on the upswing. don't get wrong, I love baseball and most of all love the fact that there's a spanking new park 10 minutes away from my house now . I'm not hating and I wish the Nats all the best and I'll be in the stands for many an afternoon game with Chloe by my side. But I have reservations about Washington as a true baseball town. Hope I'm wrong ...

Been doing a lot of homework on the Caps/Flyers series - looks like I'll be joining in our coverage of the playoffs - and several of the GMs, scouts and players I spoke to like the Caps chances. Finding consistent even-strength scoring from that second line - specifically the Fedorov/Semin tandom - will be vital, but if Morrison and Schultz can get healthy and come close to the 38 minutes of ice time they usually eat up, the respected hockey people I know best and trust from my near 10 years covering that league are all leaning to the Caps for what that's worth ... Overall, you've gotta luv the way the NHL playoffs draw came out. The East is almost entirely old school (or at least my old school - 1982 ish - 1994 (first labor impasse), my golden era, pre dead puck era, with a lot of that wild west element still at play in terms of physicality as well). Montreal/Boston is straight outta the Adams Division, what used to be an annual bloodfeud each spring. Caps/Flyers and Devils/Rangers both are Patrick Division throwbacks and you cant beat the geographical rivalries. Pitt/Ottawa, well, at least Crosby playing in Canada will be a big story up north, where the game is truly best appreciated. Even out west, San Jose/Calgary had some great series back in the day - I remember Theo Fleury leading a huge upset for the Flames back in the day - Dallas/Anaheim have played big series and Detroit/Nashville have a budding divisional rivalry and the Wings draw guarantees sellouts in Nashville. There's no way to guarantee this kind of thing all the time given the league's divisional and playoff structure these days, but this draw is undoubtedly a cause of celebration in New York at the NHL offices.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 10, 2008; 9:38 AM ET
 
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Comments

What happened to the QB who the skins had last summer who tore it up playing overseas in Europe.

From the coverage last summer, it sounded like he fit the mold of a 3rd QB, but got lost in the numbers crunch when the skins kept both Collins and Brunell.

Posted by: Paul S | April 10, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"What happened to the QB who the skins had last summer who tore it up playing overseas in Europe."


You mean Casey Bramlet...he was cut last year and didn't make the team. The Skins couldn't find a young 3rd stringer last year to replace Brunell and i am kind of glad they didn't keep someone for the sake of it. I think the guy from Maryland made the Practice squad last year, can't remember his name and I' am an alum.

Posted by: DayTradeForCash | April 10, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm big on the idea of drafting Kevin O'Connell out of San Diego State to fill our 3rd QB opening - the kid has huge upside potential, and minimal risk if taken in 5th or lower round. If Zorn is the guru of QB development that they say he is, he should be able to mentor the rookie backup at the same time he is mentoring the anointed one (JC), right?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Hollenbach is the kid from MD. He is terrible.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Bramlet then go to atlanta and not make it there either?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 10, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

wow, i got excited when i saw how long the blog was, then realized less than half of the post was devoted to football, and the rest had to do with "random" crap. The title of the blog should have read:

"I hate the Redskins so lets talk about the Nats, Caps, and Flyers...and a few redskins notes thrown in so i can give the appearance of doing my job."

Posted by: talkshowhost (bitter old man) | April 10, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

For a post titled "Position Glance - Quarterback" there was 1 sentence about Campbell and a small paragraph about the 2nd and 3rd stringers.

But thankfully we have in depth coverage (2 long paragraphs) about baseball and hockey.

Posted by: NFeKPo | April 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

redcoat,

bramey is now one of 4 QBs on the dolphins roster

http://www.nfl.com/teams/miamidolphins/roster?team=MIA

He's currently sitting behind josh mccown and that mormon kid.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

You take baseball away for over 30 years, then bring it back and expect people to care? Screw baseball.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 10, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The only later round QB I've seen repeated mock draft sites flagging as the Skins' interest is Erik Ainge. I don't know anything about him. A couple places said Josh (Jake?) Johnson too.

The biggest downside of Brunell leaving is what he did as the scout team QB ... the position usually filled by the #3 QB. B/c he was a long time vet, Brunell could mimic opposing QB styles pretty well ... which probably helped out immeasurably to prep the starting defense. My primary recollection about the Saints game this past year was about how "on fire" the D was against Brees ... thanks, in part, to Brunell.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Thanks TSH. Who knew?

As Beck (the Mormon guy) was kept by Parcells I think he's probably in line for #2, which means that Bramlett and the other guy I've never heard of are fighting for #3.

Who said we don't have any talent in my Fins? Well apart from everyone, that is.

Ugh.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 10, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Jasno,

Way to get in the crack about restructuring contracts, you could not resist could you.

Thanks for the Nats, Caps and Flyers news I have been waiting for that all day.

Way to pin Palmer on Vinny, because he was in charge last year, yea whatever.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 10, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't the Saints game in 2006 Sween? When Brunell was #2 and The Todd was #3?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Hollanbach wasn't even good at MD

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Jason, you are a Baltimore boy. It is your job to try and rip DC as much as possible in regards to baseball.

Posted by: JS | April 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

My client was deliberately misquoted by a vengeful media ... what he actually said was "This ain't no party, this ain't no disco, this ain't no foolin' around. No time for dancin', or lovey dovey, I ain't got time for that now."

See, he is not going to be a diva, prima donna receiver in the NFL ... he's going to be hip and cool, like David Byrne, and wear over-sized pads and do that "same as it ever was" routine. It will be hilarious. Plus he's really tall, blocks well, and can catch balls, such as.

Posted by: Malcolm Kelly's agent | April 10, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

jlc,

"a true baseball town"...there are only a handfull of teams in all of the MLB that truly have the baseball town effect. NYY, BOS, CHC, PHI, and STL. The rest, dont really stack up the attendence in April. PLus, in most cities fans come to the park when there is a product worth seeing. Fact is baseball actually got its first organized start here in the district amongst politicians. The game belongs here.

Posted by: jperkmd82 | April 10, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

2006 ... 2007 ... whatever, such as ... Jason Campbell started against the Saints ... Brunell QB'd the scout team.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Is Zorn at least on the list as "break glass in case of emergency" QB? What a story THAT would be! He's younger than Vinny Testaverde, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

If I were Drew Brees I would be DEEPLY offended that anyone would think that Mark Brunell could successfully emulate me.

Even for just a couple of plays in practice!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

just what i want to do, drive to RFK then take a bus to the new stadium. Nooope!

Posted by: The Cheese | April 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

KM, I'm with you, its like he can't put something out there without some dig at the organization. I guess I should just ignore it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 10, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Hey, here's a thought for a sunny Thursday morning.

If Rabach has to be castrated to make the hand-off to JC easier to accomplish would that count against his stats as "having given up a sack"?

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

This ain't no Mudd Club or CBGBs

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DayTradForCash | April 10, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

When my cat got de-rabached, they removed the filberts and left the chicken skin.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Funny thing....Kedric Golston was a guest on Redskins Radio the other day and he was asked about the "sleds" the players push in practice. Mike Sellers previously mentioned that the old wooden sleds were heavier than others. Kedric agreed and said "some of the sleds are bigger than most guys "decks" - but it sounded like he said another word instead of "decks." :)

Posted by: Lisa | April 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Just wanted to give a heads up that Randle-El is going to be in studio on The Mike Tirico Show today around 11:40 ET. You can stream his show on ESPN Radio.com Maybe he'll give some insight to the draft, or what he's been up to in the off season.

Posted by: Hal | April 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

jlc,

dude, u r the best!!!!! i love reading ur blog and can't wait to get ur take on caps/nhl playoffs -- keep writing bro!

Posted by: GEO | April 10, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Question for those with extraordinary intergoogling skills (i.e., I whiffed): when he as on the KC Chiefs, did The Todd hold for place kicks?

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Jeez, he only promised a "glance" at the QBs... guy can't win,can he.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jimmy Bones | April 10, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

nothing but crybabies here today

Posted by: Just an observer | April 10, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Ok JLaC, you stated the obvious, that we need a #3 QB. So who do the 'Skins have their eyes on for a kid who Zorn can develop as a #2 for when Collins leaves and that we can pick up in the later rounds of the draft? I.e. Where's the inside info on this one?

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The interesting bit from that Redskin Report blog is the one about running backs, esp. the presumed roster battle btwn Marcus Mason and Eric Shelton ... not to mention the photo of Sellers wearing a figure skater shirt.

http://www.theredskinreport.com/2008/04/09/858/

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Where's the inside info on this one?

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 11:02 AM

This line is not particularly hard to fake.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Just an observer | April 10, 2008 11:01 AM

You are better as an observer than a contributor.

Only some of us are crybabies, not the entire bunch.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow! On that site, the pic of the throwbacks, those yellow hats and pants still shock ya. Wow!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

The sound of gunfire, off in the distance
I'm getting used to it now

Posted by: Crosseyed & Painless | April 10, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Karen,

JLC doesn't HAVE any insider info. He also doesnt care to do any research to make his blogs worth reading.

The skins DID schedule Henne for a visit. This is common knowledge but JLC does not seem aware of this. It would be interesting to know a little bit more about that.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey, just because I'm my own mind, it doesn't mean I can't reach the same conclusion on some things as all of you. :) JLaC has to get some real info for us.

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I got three passports, couple of visas, don't even know my real name

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 10, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Depending on where Chad Henne falls to, I believe he could be a tremendous pick up, for two reasons. The dude is an excellent quarterback with what he was given last year, and with him hopefully falling to a decent position (not too expensive), he could mature into a spectacular #2, or if JC fails or doesn't develop quickly enough, could potentially take over as #1. Although I still easily believe JC will be able to mature sufficiently to be able to play very well by the end of this season assuming our offensive line doesn't die, being prepared for injury or retarded development doesn't hurt.

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

My $.02.

I like Dennis Dixon, Oregon, as a late round QB pickup. He's coming off an ACL injury but he was having a helluva year before that. He's tall and athletic and sounds like he's got a decent arm.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

sween - I would not call that a figure skater shirt to the Meast himself. Damn he's large.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

karen, i agree with you.

If we can trade out of the first round and get a high 2nd and 3rd round pick, then i would take henne with that 3rd rounder (or even our own 2nd) and not think twice about it.

Aside from the benefits you mention, he could also be very valueable in a trade in 2-3 years with a QB-needy team. Henne could even net us a future 1st rounder. I see Henne as a great investment. If we trade down, I definitely see us nabbing him.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

mtn - I read somewhere that Dixon had a great pro day despite only being a little over 3 months removed from acl reconstruction. Plus, he's got good size and speed.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I am against wasting a high pick on a QB. Use high picks for need (OL, DL, CB, WR). Hopefully guys that will be in the line-up immediately.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

mile high ... no doubt ... the only way I would address Sellers in person would be as "Mr. Sellers ... sir."

As in, "Hey, cool cutoff, non-figure skating-looking shirt, Mr. Sellers, sir."

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This town is so pitiful. The National Pastime is Baseball... not Football. All you people in this town care about is who may be the 3rd string QB, who may eventually get to no. 2, who may eventually be no. 1. Who cares!!!! Geez, the Nationals have played 3 games at home, two against the nothing Marlins, and Mr. LaCanfora is ready to move the Nationals back to Montreal. God you people are despicable. Get a life.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I don't think I or Mtn are advocating for taking Dixon or any qb for that matter high - but in round 5 maybe. If he's still there, i'd pull the trigger. One concern with him would be whether he could play from under center as effectively. He took most of his snaps at Oregon from the shotgun if I recall correctlty.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 11:27 AM

Getting bashed for discussing the Redskins on a Redskins blog. Wow! Just, wow!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Mtn - where are you? Getting any of this spring snow? Literally can't see outside my office window it's coming down so hard.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

unregistered:

if we trade out of the first and land a 2nd and 3rd, then we will have 5 picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.

that allows us to cover the positions you mentioned and still nab a QB. mid-round QBs are generally good investments because if you decide you don't need them, you can almost always recoup their value in a trade. Campbell isnt a franchise QB yet and Collins only has 2-3 more years left in him. Since QBs take time to develop in the pros, and we need a backup QB now, I see this as the ideal draft to get a good QB. Taking a QB in rounds 5-7 is like throwing your picks away. YOu have a far better chance of finding OL and DL depth in those rounds than you do a QB. We would be wise to nab a backup QB earlier and add depth along the lines later (assuming we grab atleast one OL and DL starter first)

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 11:27 AM

Gary go to the Nats blog, this is a Redskins blog we discuss the Redskins.

Posted by: kmdp4(Skins) | April 10, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I thoroughly agree with whoever the heck talkshowhost is. As long as we get one surefire hit on the OL and DL, and there are at least one real potential player later in the draft at those two positions that could be grabbed later, 2nd and 3rd rounds would be a great spot to nab a QB.

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't think I or Mtn are advocating for taking Dixon or any qb for that matter high - but in round 5 maybe. If he's still there, i'd pull the trigger. One concern with him would be whether he could play from under center as effectively. He took most of his snaps at Oregon from the shotgun if I recall correctlty.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:30 AM

MH - I agree - I said I liked Dixon as a late round pick up. By that I mean 5th round or later also. I read he played mostly shotgun as well. The report also said he was good at reading defenses and making progressions to 2nd and 3rd receivers. He may not contribute right away but he sounds like he has alot of potential.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

It sound like Henne may go in the 2nd round. He is being lumped into discussions along with Flacco from Delaware and right behind Brohm who is slated to go late 1st early 2nd. I don't think we should use anything higher than a 5th rounder on a QB. Ainge, Dixon and Booty are kinda intruiging to me since they played in tougher conferences and some big games. Dixon was primarily in the gun with the spread offense, Booty may have peaked and I saw Ainge play a number of times with some questionable decision making at times but they did all show potential IMO.

Posted by: cdubb | April 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Mtn - where are you? Getting any of this spring snow? Literally can't see outside my office window it's coming down so hard.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:31 AM

Westminster, CO - and it's snowing like crazy here too. Spring in Colorado - today snow - and next week they're saying it may be in the 70's. You in Denver?

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being _________ at/in/on/by __________.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 9, 2008 3:49 PM

The contest is still open. First prize, I failed to mention, is a drink OF YOUR CHOICE with NateinthePDX on June 7 at Fado. Nate's flying in from the PDX especially to shake the winner's hand.

The two best entries so far:

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called "Democrat" by a Republican.

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called "kettle" by a pot.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Here is my question. Do we want more of a running QB at no 3 or a in the pocket guy? In terms of practice and scout team play, I think a runner is better, as Collins can simulate a good pocket QB. But in terms of play, if we are down to the no 3 guy in a game, do you want him running all over the field or playing it safe?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

t_e, I get nothing for smelling a fart in church???

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

MTN - live just south west of Denver in Highlands Ranch.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

tshowhost,

I understand your logic, it makes sense. PErsonally, I would rather use all 5 picks on positions that we know we need starters for next season.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

So Jason...when do you leave for ESPN? Will Barry be taking over the blog, or simply the beat reporter job for the Redskins?

Posted by: SapphicHokieMom | April 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

unregistered - the only position that I would say we no matter what need a starter for next year is CB. Granted, that's assuming a lot, but still. I doubt we need 5 guys that must be ready to start the first game. I'd say we need 3/4 - a versatile OL (or 2 so all the positions will be covered), a DL, and a CB. Besides, even if we are deficient in any area, Lorenzo Alexander can do it all.

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Tough to pick an early QB in this draft when we have greater needs in other spots. I agree after 6-7th rounds its useless. Wish we had that 4th round pick right about now. If we could trade our 1st for a 1,3,4 or 2,2,4 or something maybe?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Back on Rabach for a moment, don't they teach Sumo wrestlers to voluntarily retract their test!cles?

If yes problem solved - send Rabach to Japan in the off-season to train!

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a "geek" by a nerd.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I remember somebody posting on here jocking Sage Rosenfels big time about 6 months ago. He'd be a nice backup/3rd string we drafted in the 4th round under Martyball way back when. I know we are all praying JC pans out. If not, we are f'd for years.

Posted by: cdubb | April 10, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a "scum-sucking no-good waste-of-skin b@st@rd" by my ex-wife.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

yo, talent evaluator

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like the free drink you get at a 2 for 1 happy hour special. It's the blog's way of saying thanks.

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

If we can get our DT (assuming that the top DEs are gone) in the 1st, Nelson in the 2nd, and OL with the first 3rd rd pick, I would go for a OLB like Bryan Kehl with our comp 3rd rd. pick. Even more so if we could trade that 1st pick for and early 2nd and 3rd picks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

That would also include picking up a CB prior to the draft.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Teams like the LA Dodgers, St Louis Cardinals, Seattle Mariners, Baltimore Orioles, and many others have healthy attendance -- even though 33%-40% of their stadium is empty on a regular basis.

MLB expects its teams to average 25,000-30,000 fans a game, which the Nats have done with the exception of last year, where they averaged 24,217/game with a terrible team.

2006 - 26,582/game; 2005 - 33,651/game.

Baltimore averaged 27,060 last year -- but you can't really compare them and the Nats, because Camden Yards fills up many times a year to see the Yankees and Red Sox, with the majority of the stadium pulling for the visitors. Even with that awesome advantage, they only averaged 3,000 more fans than the Nats who have no Yankees or Red Sox to pull in fans on a regular basis.

The Nats will average at least 25,000 this year, and be considered healthy. When a team falls below 20,000, like the Devil Rays and Marlins do year after year, then the MLB is concerned and relocation talks begin.

The end of the school year is when attendance really increases for the Nats every year. To judge them by April numbers is not to know anything about Washington sports.

Posted by: SonnyFan | April 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Way to pin Palmer on Vinny, because he was in charge last year, yea whatever.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 10, 2008 10:32 AM

Vinny was, and has been, a major part of this organization for pretty much the entire Snyder era. To completely absolve Vinny for not being the head guy "in charge" is just as, if not more naive as completely pinning any past personnel decisions on him.

Just because Bill Belichick has final decision on personnel moves doesn't mean Scott Pioli gets no credit (good or bad) for New England's roster. Vinny Cerrato has been a major part of this organization, and as such, he gets a large chunk of credit for ALL personnel moves in the past, whether good or bad.

Posted by: el diablo | April 10, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

One interesting thing on Jason's post was that he'll be chipping in on the hockey playoffs coverage. Has he done any work other than Skins/NFL since he's been on this beat?

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called an artard by the geek squad at Best Buy.

Posted by: Agent 0 | April 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I am glad I am not going to games right now the Nats are playing something awful. I can't tell if its the new stadium or what, but they got to right the ship quick.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I get nothing for smelling a fart in church???

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 11:50 AM

The first sentence was interesting. The second was too long. So, for that one, you get to shake the winner's hand, right after Nate buys him a drink.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

My Ideal Draft (while still being somewhat realistic):

Skins trade 21st overall pick to Atlanta for their highest 2nd and third rounders. ATL select Brian Brohm.

The Skins also trade Betts to someone for a 4th and 6th.

2 (ATL) DT Trevor Law
2 (WAS) WR Jordy Nelson
3 (ATL) G Roy Schuening, Oregon St.
3 (WAS) DE Chris Harrington, Texas A&M
3 (COMP) Craig Seltz, S, LSU
4 (???) LB Tavares Gooden, Miami
5 (WAS) OT Jeremy Zuttah, Rutgers
6 (WAS) FB Jerome Felton, Furman
6 (???) QB Colt Brennan, QB, Hawaii
7 (WAS) DL Barry Booker, VT
7 (WAS) OT Carlton Medder, Florida
7 (WAS) DT ndre Fluellen, FSU

Notes:

1) Yes, I deliberately left off CB as I think we have to fill this need with a veteran player but after june 1st. We need a starter this year and we need to draft a CB to replace springs with our #1 pick next year. The Giants showed what you can do with a so-so defensive backfield when you have a solid defensive line. Please note I have us taking 2 defensive linemen expected to contribute this year and 2 in the later rounds to develop.

2) We didnt do anything with Betts last year and we didn't really miss him either. I think we will be fine with Portis starting and Carwright backing him up (Mathis takes rocks place in the return game) with Eric Shelton/Marcus Mason/Post June 1 cut veteran competing for #3.

3) Initially I had us taking Henne with our Comp 3rd our 4th, but Seltz and Gooden are underrated and too good to pass up. Brennans stock has fallen but he would be a good pickup in the 6th.


Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a thief by Albert Connell.

Posted by: MV Dame | April 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

says here the location might not be Fado Irish Pub, should be considered TBD.

drinks will be purchased and consumed by people who read and comment on this blog. that part is correct.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

regarding Jordan Palmer - His brother is a pro-bowl quarterback. he was worth taking a chance on... it was only a 6th round pick for goodness sakes!

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Twelve draft picks... that's just crazy talk!

Colt Brennan = Ty Detmer

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I've come to the conclusion that the redskins problems over the last decade plus fall squarely on the shoulders of Jason la Canfora for mentioning the problems of the Redskins over the last decade plus.

If he'd only hailed like the Pollyann's, the redskins would be defending Superbowl champeens..

The blog has spoken.

Oh yeah, also:

"Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?"

Posted by: Julius Caesar | April 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called indecisive by Brett Favre.

Posted by: MV Dame | April 10, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

If you were going to go through all the effort of doing a 20 pick mock draft the least you could have done was make it good.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a troublemaker by a Bengal.

Posted by: MV Dame | April 10, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a chick from Montgomery Village.

Posted by: not MV Dame | April 10, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being told you are too anti-Skins by JLC.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Way to get in the MV reference you a Montgomery County resident as well.

Posted by: mv dame | April 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I particularly liked this construction in Jasno's post: "they project to 2.3 million fans or so in the first year of a brand new park with a team that is supposed to be on the upswing."

So, if a team is "supposed to be on the upswing" it doesn't matter whether they're any good or not. This team stinks. They've never been any good and the fan experience of going to a game has been terrible. The owner refuses to spend a nickel on a decent player (Daniel Snyder turned upside down). He's charging an arm and a leg for anything sold inside the stadium (Daniel Snyder, exactly). The team's play sucks. So why would anyone want to go out to watch them?

So, Jasno "has reservations about Washington being a baseball town." Duh. It isn't a baseball town. Major league baseball has ignored Wasington for fifty years. You have to go to a nursing home ("assisted living community") to find someone who has seen a major league game in the city limits. Washington has to be changed into a baseball town. And as near as I can tell the Lerners are going about it all wrong.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Way to get in the MV reference you a Montgomery County resident as well.

Posted by: mv dame | April 10, 2008 12:34 PM

MV Dame this was a question foy you from me sorry this typing your name sucks.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I am once again a DC resident now, kmdp4. Nate thinks I should change my handle to "DC Madam" to reflect that...

Posted by: MV Dame | April 10, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

SKIPPY'S SMOCK DRAFT GUIDE FOR REDSKIMS

In the previous recent past, the Redskims have given away their draft picks for overpaid players who reinvented the word "Suckage."

This year they are overthrowning that tradition, and going back to squandering their picks themselfs.

 The Redskims, of who Skippy is a big fan, have nine draft picks this year to waste, so there is a lot of pressure on selecting exactly the wrong players to pick.

Fortunately, the Odor, Damn Snyder, and his Devoted Towelboy, Vinnie Cerratsosrizzo, get to make all the picks, so Skippy asks you--what could go right?



Skippy thinks the Redskims should continue their First Round tradition of drafting a receiver who can't catch anything more constipated than a cold. If he's available, Skippy suggests Lime-as$ Sweedish, the tall drink of water from the University of Dubya. He's 6 foot four, or four foot six, and has good hands but a bad wrist, injured in a tragic corsage accident.

Second round choice should either be a linebacker with a bad knee (a la Rocky Balboatosh) or a DT with a bad back like that guy with the bad back they drafted who name Skippy has mercifully forgotted.



There are two third round choices to be squattered, so Skippy recommends one be traded for a RB who can't run, Like T.J. Duckmeister, the other donated to the Red Cross. Otherwise it would just be some WR signed for an obscene amount of money he wont urn, like Brando Loins.



The lower round choices take care of themselfs. Skippy suggests a QB who'll later join his brother with the Bengals or a center with a smallish package.

Fondly,

skippy
AskSkippy.blogspot.com

Posted by: Skippy! | April 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the Nats will average at least 25,000-30,000 fans/game this year, and be considered a completely healthy franchise; the end of the school year is when attendance really increases for the Nats.

I bet the Lerners wish they had the Yankees and Red Sox fill their stadium multiple times a year with visiting team fans to boost their attendance like the O's.

Posted by: SonnyFan | April 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is redundant.

Posted by: corkczar | April 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being nominated for Arbor Day Grand Marshall by Dan Snyder.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

And then you could join Les Dames DC:

http://members.aol.com/lesdamesdc/

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a bum by The Dude.

Posted by: el diablo | April 10, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is accurate.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like a fish needs a bicycle.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Seth, sorry, but Colt Brennan is not an ideal WCO QB. And his SAT scores were pretty low. If they draft him they should trade him straight away while his value is still high.

Just had to get a little jab in there.

Posted by: dlhaze | April 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

This just doesn't seem like a REDSKINS INSIDER blog anymore and more like the personal blog of JLaC. Now he is going to focus efforts on the CAPs. Just Great :-\

Turn over RI to someone else and keep your own blog for the stuff you want to talk about. BLAH!

Posted by: Toady | April 10, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like calling yourself talent evaluator

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 11:27 AM

Gary go to the Nats blog, this is a Redskins blog we discuss the Redskins.

Posted by: kmdp4(Skins) | April 10, 2008 11:35 AM

kmdp4(skins): I'd be happy to stay with the Nats blog if Mr. LaCanfora agrees not to mention the Nationals in a negative way in his Redskins column anymore.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

This just doesn't seem like a REDSKINS INSIDER blog anymore and more like the personal blog of JLaC. Now he is going to focus efforts on the CAPs. Just Great :-\

Turn over RI to someone else and keep your own blog for the stuff you want to talk about. BLAH!

Posted by: Toady | April 10, 2008 1:05 PM

He could just not post for a week straight like his substitute Insider when he was on vacation. When there's no news, there's no news. Unless it's Foxnews.

Posted by: el diablo | April 10, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator: obviously you haven't read the paper recently. The Nationals have been in the Washington DC city limits since 2005. Welcome to reality.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather not have any news then if it isn't Redskins news. The whole point of this blog is to discuss Insider Info that he is supposed to have. How is he getting insider info if he is focusing on the CAPS and the NATS?

Completely missed the MATHIS signing...

Posted by: Toady | April 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Toady: Mathis signing made no sense. But its typical of what Vinny C thinks helps this team.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"The whole point of this blog is to discuss Insider Info that he is supposed to have"

Maybe originally...

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I agree that the Mathis signing made no sense. Low-cost, low-expectations, not a lot of noise made about it. If they guy doesn't work out just cut him. Not lots of money invested in him.

It's not in the same ball park risk wise as signing T.O. or Moss.

So I don't have a problem with it.

Posted by: Toady | April 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"The whole point of this blog is to discuss Insider Info that he is supposed to have"

Maybe originally...


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Then change the name to JLaC's Blogomatic and be done with it.

Posted by: Toady | April 10, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The baseball season is 162 games long. Making any projections about player and team stats not to mention game attendance based on the first week is foolish. The leaves budding now will be falling before the season ends. Plus who cares the Redskins will be playing by then and we'll forget all about the Nationals.

Posted by: Fool's errand | April 10, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

You've been following this blog for a long time, haven't you, Toady?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand what the problem is. You don't have to read everything that he writes. He gives a pretty obvious disclaimer every time he goes off of the skins, and he still provides more "insider" updates than any other source I've seen. AND I'm pretty sure that any Redskins topic is willing to be discussed on this blog, so it's not like there's a bunch of random people with no skins/football interest. So once again, I don't really see what the problem is.

Posted by: el diablo | April 10, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

people who complain about non-football comments on this blog should hang out on Maske's blog. he blogs with news all the time, from all across the League. there are never non-football comments on Maske's blog. in fact, there are hardly ever any comments at all. this may work better for some of you who seem to hate this blog so much.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/nflinsider/

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator: obviously you haven't read the paper recently. The Nationals have been in the Washington DC city limits since 2005. Welcome to reality.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 1:09 PM

I understand. I'm talking about major league baseball. That would exclude the Nats.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze, I know you were joking but, for the record, Brennan would be a perfect backup WCO quarterback:

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/colt-brennan?id=196

"Brennan has that moxie on the field that reminds some of Brett Favre, but it is his quick reads that sees him get the ball out instantly to his targets. He is a mobile passer whose scrambling keeps defenses honest, but lacks the size and certainly lacks the core strength you look for in a quarterback that can absorb punishment at the next level. In a spread or West Coast offense, Brennan is a nice fit."

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I do go there for NFL inside info, but I am more interested in the Skins.

This is a Skins blog, or supposed to be. The negative comments, off topic rants, non-insider info don't make it very fun.

It use to be a good blog for finding stuff out. When was the last time you heard any news from inside redskins park reported here. It's always, "hot of the presses" stuff of the "skins just announced" wow very insider.

How bout getting an interview with Mathis? Finding out who the Skins plan to draft from credible sources... all speculation, we can all do that and do.

The comments here are log because folks like the Skins not because of who is doing to posting.

Posted by: Toady | April 10, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I could not agree more that it is not JLC that brings people here -- it is the fact that the Skins have tons of fans.

JLC wants you to think the Skins aren't that popular and he is the reason people come here.

Get a clue JLC -- your hating won't change the fact that the Skins have one of the top 5 largest fanbases in football.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Well he promised a glance and he delivered on his promise. 'The Redskins have a starter in Campbell, a backup in Collins and are going to draft a 3rd QB.'

I can do the RB for him and save his time..
'Clinton Portis is the starter, Ladell Betts is a decent backup but fumbles too much, Rock Cartwright is 3rd on the depth chart because nobody else wants him and he fumbles too much too. Mike Sellers is the FB.'

Posted by: MIA in Miami | April 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

When there's no news, there's no news. Unless it's Foxnews.

Posted by: el diablo | April 10, 2008 1:07 PM

You misspelled that based on a common mispronunciation. Its spelled "Faux News".

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

God you people are despicable. Get a life.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 11:27 AM

And this from a Nats fan?


Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being told to "get a life" by a Nats fan.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

You misspelled that based on a common mispronunciation. Its spelled "Faux News".

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 1:35 PM

Bwahahahhaa.

Posted by: SonnyFan | April 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Ahh Froggy, wise man once say "come for news, stay for jibber jabber."

For the umpteenth time in forever, there is no news now. No one at the park will tell who they want to draft. No one is interested in hearing what Mathis has to say. Enjoy the draft when it comes along, if that's yo thing. but for now, cool off, chill out, hang loose, and relax.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

toady, this whole blog has turned into a joke. first jason stops posting meaningful blogs. then they remove registration to increase the amount of rif-raf here. this place makes extremeskins look like an intellectual debate between plato and aristotle.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like being called anti-Skins b/c you think The Owner and the EVP make dubious decisions.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

talkshowhost, I'm pretty sure the reason they removed registration was to enable posting again after a 8 hour lock-up by Moveable Type ... the rif-raf increase is just one of those pleasant coincidences.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Skins would be foolish to draft a #3 QB. Take someone else's reject. They are always out there. Guys who are never good enogh to be full time starters, but can play enough to get you through some games. Look at the kid for SF, Shaun Hill (?). He was totally unknown, playing behind Smith and Dilfer, and was their best QB ... by far.

The other thing the Skins have if they need to go to a 3rd QB, is Randle El. He was a very good college QB and would be respected by his teammates. If the Skins are in a pinch for a QB in an important game, I'd use ARE over whoever is the clipboard guy.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | April 10, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

No one is interested in hearing what Mathis has to say.

Posted by: | April 10, 2008 1:36 PM

Hey, speak for yourself, blogger with short name who writes like another blogger with a long name. I was interested in the Elfin column yesterday where Mathis said "This isn't my last chance. It's my only chance."

I like that attitude, although I'm too lazy to look the quote up and I may actually have just made it up. Still I'd like to have heard it from, say, Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm in agreement that QB is one of the positions we have the fewest questions at. We're looking for someone who can be a decent #3 this year, nothing more. Why would we use a 1st day draft pick on that instead of the lines or the secondary? I think we could easilly bring in a vet minimum QB after the draft to help out until it's proven that we need a number 2 or starting qb. We could also find someone undrafted. Isn't Trent Dilfer available? He's someone who's been in the West Coast system and could be brought in to mentor Campbell on the cheap.

On another note, while I was completely against it at first, I'm liking the idea of trading Betts more and more if we're able to get something good for it. Seems like we've got plenty of young talent on the squad right now who could easilly take the #2 spot. The only concern is can any of them be a viable starter if Portis goes down?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 1:29 PM

TSH, if Brennan is there in the 6th, we need to take him. At worst, we should be able to get back some value if we trade him. I read an article the other day (will try to find the link) where he put on 25lbs. I believe it was discussed on one of the threads here.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Sween's back in the "idiot game." Got bucked off the horse and picked himself up and got right back on it. I have to admire that spunky scrapper.

In general, very good entries today. The old spirit's coming back to the blog. It will be hard to pick a winner and Nate may want to buy drinks for everyone.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

My only hang up on Colt B. is his character issues, which have also been discussed here. But I think he can/will be a good QB.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

well said, Toady toady!

Posted by: Toady toady toady | April 10, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan would be a good fit for the Colts.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

My only hang up on Colt B. is his character issues

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 1:48 PM

I say the team needs more characters. And if they get cut, they should blog with us.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

TE, they would certainly fit the mo.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

While Nate may be a nicer guy than some of the fake Nate and anti-Nate posts up here would imply, Nate may want to stave off the disturbing notion that he's going to pick up the bar tab for the meet-up. Nate's no P Diddy.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

For any diet cola (w/saccharine) drinkers, I will pick up the Tab tab.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I will buy not dcsween a beer

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, i agree with you on wanting mathis info, but i wanted to correct you on his quote. He actually said, "I'm not looking at Washington as a second chance. It's more like my last chance."

Normally, i'm not that picky, but i was very impressed with the quote.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

the blank post about mathis was mine. i forgot to enter in my name....

so how was this moveable type person able to lock up the blog?

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being told to "get a life" by a Nats fan.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 1:36 PM

winner! IMO

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

My only hang up on Colt B. is his character issues, which have also been discussed here. But I think he can/will be a good QB.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 1:48 PM

Did you watch any Hawaii games? I saw Brennan play a few times, by far the worst effort was in the BCS game where they got pounded. I think he is too small, he reminded be of Danny Woeffel a little bit. Good system qb in college, won't amount to much as a pro. Sorry for bringing up the former gator.

Posted by: cdubb | April 10, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

unregistered,

Nate can speak for himself, dude. He doesn't rely on an idiot (uh, make that surrogate) to do his bidding for him. If he weren't picking up the tab for all the winners, he'd come right out and say so himself. He's at least as generous as Sween who, for those at his table, has offered to pick up the table Tab tab.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I want to hear from Mathis as much as I want to sit next to dcsween in church when he's having his issues.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I want to hear from Mathis as much as I want to sit next to dcsween in church when he's having his issues.

Posted by: | April 10, 2008 2:07 PM

Love it, blogger-who-knows-not-his-name.

The blog is back! Great jibba-jabba up here today.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay this blog is just starting to break down into sillyness. Oh Cindy Where Art Thou. When will you bring stability and order back to the unwashed masses.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

alex,

You say tomato and I say tomahto...

Cindy, What do you say?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I say its time for Wopner....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 10, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Talent evaluator is right. First time ever, but he's right. Sorry, Alex.

Posted by: TheCindy | April 10, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Don Banks is the next to have us take C. Campbell in the 1st round. Anybody else have real problems with this kid's seeming lack of motivation to stay in shape? Even if our new line coach taught him at Miami, I have a feeling this guy has bust written all over him.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Some of us masses have washed you know. At least recently anyway.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Since we're talking about the draft...

I like Marcus Monk from Arkansas and not just because he's a namesake. He's tall, had an excellent combine and for his size has decent speed (4.5). He's got an insane vertical (36in.) He'll probably be avialable early in the 5th where I think he'd be a steal.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 10, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

tm,

I agree. He's got too manny issues. PLus he's named after a terrible car that was also too big and too slow.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 10, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Even if our new line coach taught him at Miami, I have a feeling this guy has bust written all over him.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 10, 2008 2:23 PM

If this guy worked with him three years in Miami, I'd be willing to trust his judgement. He doesn't want the 'Skins to fail. And, he may not want the guy. Remember, Zorn didn't make much of an effort to get Hackett.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I say its time for Wopner....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 10, 2008 2:18 PM

LMAO!
Actually though, it's five minutes to wopner. Yeah. UH-OH!!!!!!

Posted by: dlhaze | April 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Monk would be a good pick I'd say. I don't think he will slide all the way to 5 though.
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Draft Scout Snapshot: DS Rating on 08/12/07: #12 WR, #64/750 Overall, Projected: Rnd 2-3 (Injury)
2007: Underwent two surgeries on his right knee that would keep him on the sidelines for the first half of the season...On August 13th, Monk underwent an arthroscopy on his right knee to repair a small tear he suffered at practice on August 9th. He was initially diagnosed with a bone bruise after hurting his knee at practice. He underwent another surgical procedure on August 28th, having two pieces of cartilage had moved beneath the meniscus after his knee locked up on him during his rehabilitation, causing pain. "It was two loose bodies that had flaked off the articular cartilage that he had damaged before," Arkansas trainer Dean Weber said...Monk was also injured upon his return to the field, suffering a bruised calf vs. South Carolina...Started five of seven games he appeared in at split end, finishing fourth on the team with sixteen receptions for 144 yards (9.0 avg) and three touchdowns. 14 GP; 14 GS; Rec: 50-962-19.2-11 in '06. 11 GP; 11 GS; Rec: 35-476-13.6-7 in '05. 11 GP; 6 GS; Rec: 37-569-15.4-6 in '04. UA freshman record with 37 receptions in 2004.
Draft Scout Marcus Monk News
03/26/08 - "I want to let everybody know that I'm back," Monk said. "It's been a long, long year." Monk also improved his Combine numbers in the vertical and long jumps Tuesday. The Lepanto native had a 36-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-2 inch long jump at the UA's Pro Day, according to NFL. com. Monk performed well in position drills, cut well and had no stumbles or dropped passes. Jones also participated in wide receiver drills and dropped at least one pass that was thrown behind him in stride by former UA quarterback Clint Stoerner. Eighteen former Razorbacks participated in Arkansas' Pro Day and one player stuck out the most, ESPN NFL analyst Chris Mortensen observed. "Marcus Monk without question," Mortensen said. "... All of a sudden, there's a lot of buzz on him." Brandon Marcello, Northwest Arkansas Times

03/25/08 - Marcus Monk says his knee is just fine. His performance at Tuesday's pro day on the Arkansas campus seemed to back up that assessment. With approximately 50 NFL representatives on hand, Monk went through a solid workout that could help alleviate fears about the wide receiver's surgically repaired right knee. Statistics were not released at the workout, but NFL.com reported Monk with better-than expected numbers. He ran two 40-yard dash attempts in 4.43 and 4.41 seconds, plus a 36-inch vertical jump and 10-foot, 2-inch long jump. "It felt good," Monk said. "I want to show everybody I'm back." Beyond just putting up impressive numbers, Monk, 6-5, 215, looked sharp in agility drills and when running routes. Monk looked sharp when making his cuts. He had limited mobility and agility late in the season while attempting to come back from the injury he suffered in two-a-days. Monk played in nine games, but started only four. He contemplated going pro after catching 50 passes for 962 yards and 11 touchdowns as a junior, but elected to come back. - Chris Bahn, ArkansasSports360.com

Posted by: cdubb | April 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

The Line Coach was only at Miami for one year.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

What's up with all this non-Skins crap in the blog posts.

I don't care if Jasno waxes poetic on soccer or 80's rock for a few lines, but that crap today was ridiculous. I come here for one sport only. Anything else makes me want to leave.

Posted by: Dave | April 10, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I cannot tell you how disappointed I will be if the Redskins draft Campbell with their first pick. Watching him run at the combine, I just got the feeling that he just wasn't much of an athlete.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 10, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@@@@ KWAH-SHPLATT @@@@

sound of door hitting Dave in his a$$

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Dave's not here..man...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Greg, more on Kelly...

http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/story/2008/4/10/13229/8095

NFL Scouts Decided Where Kelly Ran Not OU Staff
By ccmachine Section: Football
Posted on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 01:22:09 PM EDT

Malcolm Kelly shocked over 30 NFL scouts and the entire Sooner Nation yesterday with a 40 time that some had clocked as low as 4.75. Afterwards Kelly voiced his displeasure with the OU coaching staff and the location of the workouts.


"This is my life. You know what I'm saying? This ain't no school. This ain't no classroom. This ain't got nothing to do with that. This has to do with me; my family. This is what I do. I play football. And I'm supposed to come out here and run as fast as I can."
"I already had everything set up for where I want to do it at," Kelly said. "I get out here and it's a whole different deal."

"People want to say surface is surface, but it's a lot more to it than that," Kelly said. "You have to think about how much ground time you have running on this mushy surface here and how much ground time you have on Astroturf.

"Just a little bit of time could mean a whole lot of draft money."

The thing that Kelly is failing to understand is that it was the NFL scouts, and not OU strength/conditioning coach Jerry Schmidt, who requested that the players run on the softer surface because "this is the surface that they run on" and that scouts could add fractions of a second to a 40-yard dash time if they perceive a track to be too fast.

"I told Malcolm it's up to him, wherever he wants to run," Schmidt said.

Now Malcolm Kelly must overcome the perception that he's lost a step as a result of his injury and the he's going to be a high maintenance type player who blames all his woes on someone else. He'll have a few private workouts with the Cincinnati Bengals, Minnesota Vikings, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Francisco 49ers and Washington Redskins before the draft to try to make up some ground.


Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

PLus he's named after a terrible car that was also too big and too slow.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 10, 2008 2:26 PM

You mean the Chrysler Brennan?

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"toady, this whole blog has turned into a joke. first jason stops posting meaningful blogs. then they remove registration to increase the amount of rif-raf here. this place makes extremeskins look like an intellectual debate between plato and aristotle."

That is the funniest thing I've seen all day.

Posted by: Plato348 | April 10, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Vinny to cancel that visit after Kelly's outburst. A guy that quick to point the finger, and blame someone, no thanks.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

That is the funniest thing I've seen all day.

Posted by: Plato348 | April 10, 2008 2:57 PM

But how can you follow if you are just "seeing" and not reading and further understanding that which you have read?

Posted by: Aristotle | April 10, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Greg, Kelly would have been better off not running. Now he falls in the draft, loses money and punks out and blames those who were not at fault.

Totally agree.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Eh man comeon openup it's me Dave

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Not surprised to see your baltimore roots come out in your comments on DC baseball.

Baseball in DC is here to stay, Baltimorans need to get over their obsession with trying to prove baseball won't work here. Two games in April against the Marlins is not how to judge how baseball will succeed.

The Reds had about 14,000 earlier in the week. Is Cincy a good baseball town?

DC hasn't had a contending team since about 1934, and it will take a few wins to get people following the team. Mediocre attendance in April doesn't mean a darn thing. DC is no better or worse a baseball town than Baltimore, Philly, Cleveland, Cincy etc.

Posted by: Cabraman | April 10, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Kurz, the more I read what Kelly did, the more of a turd this guy has made himself out to be. I'm just glad he ran so poorly so that everyone could see his true self, rather than the Redskins drafting him, and it blowing up in their faces.

Posted by: Greg | April 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Exploding turd in the face ... nice imagery.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about that....wasn't my intent...

No to Kelly, no to Cialis, and no to Colt either, while I'm passing judgement.

Posted by: Greg | April 10, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Greg, where are you on the whole Bill Bruckner thing?

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Okay I can accept a judgment if it comes from our just leaders. I am trying like heck to not go completely Baseball on the blog... and finding it near impossible. So here I go.

The Nats ain't leaving any time soon. I have to give them credit they at least seem to have a long term plan, and it has a shot at working. Faze one from as far as I can see is done, they grabbed some young prospect players who can be used as trade bate. Now they need to start looking to make trades at the end of this season for proven pitchers.

They will not be contenders for a few seasons. !Shocker! given the state of the team when they brought them here.

I have only seen this team make one truly dumb move and that was letting Soreano go like they did, moronic move. Other than that name one truly bad move they made? What tradable player did the Nats really have to let go of? What big name free agent would have made the difference?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Probably old news but I saw that Justin Gatlin the former Olympic sprinter worked out as a WR at Tennessee's pro day last month. They said he's a long shot but he's certainly fast, 4.45 and 4.42 in the 40. Wonder if he can catch, return punts?.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Now back to Football. So anyone else hear wish that we had an AFL team in DC to play at the MCI/Verizon/??? center like I do?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Gatlin could either be Willie Gault or Renaldo Nehemiah!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | April 10, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Long live Redskins Vendeta!!!

Posted by: RV | April 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Now back to Football. So anyone else hear wish that we had an AFL team in DC to play at the MCI/Verizon/??? center like I do?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 3:47 PM

You may now excuse yourself from the blog, sir.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Also forgot, long live posting stories that have been posted for more then a month on Redskins.com of all places.

Posted by: RV | April 10, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

DC, oh I moved on from Buckner back a long time ago. I didn't blame him for the Sox losing the Series back in 86. Blame the Manager for not subbing Buck out like he had done in previous games, blame Bob Stanley for throwing that wild pitch, blame Calvin Shiraldi, but you can't blame Buckner. I thought what he had to endure was beyond awful.

So yeah, I'm way beyond Billy Buck. I just wonder if he's found it in himself to forgive what he was put through.

Posted by: Greg | April 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Todd Collins proved last year that he is a pro's pro, merging the intellect and instincts no one disputed he possessed with a playing acumen previously unseen in more than a decade, given his eons between NFL starts."

What, are you trying out for the architecture critic opening?

Posted by: worstSeat | April 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

This blog has become insane and less about football than I can remember. Therefore, I'm going to a friend's place to see if I can borrow a computer and then go home to write one of my papers while I nurse my upper respiratory infection (no internet access at home, too cheap). I really hope aristotle and plato can go away and have the 'skins discussion come back (eventually).

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Dave who, man?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like biting into a York Peppermint Patty.

Posted by: freakzilla | April 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like saying "It's so easy a cave man can do it".

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

OK, so no to Kelly and Campbell. How about we go in a completely different direction and go with place kicker/punter in the first 2 rounds. That and a eunich center in the 3rd. If he's not already cut, we make it part of the off-season conditioning program...

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

LETS GO CAPS eh!!!

f'n eh!!!

i've been a caps fan since '78!!! Hell i helped "Save the Caps"!!!

still skating 2 times a week out here in seattle...been playing for almost 30 years since i first fell in love with the caps and then the miracle on ice put me over the top when i was 10!!!

mclovin it!!!

cant wait for the game tomorrow...never forget hunters winner in game 7 back in '88!!! best moment in caps history!!!

Posted by: deadskin | April 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse


MORE LATIN

Get a life.

Posted by: Gary | April 10, 2008 11:27 AM

J. CAESAR SEZ:

"Get a Life" in Latin is "Fac ut vivas."

Here's three more:

"Conlige suspectos semper habitos"
Round up the usual suspects

"Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse"
You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore

"Me transmitte sursum, caledoni"
Beam me up, Scotty

Posted by: Julius Caesar | April 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called boring by soccer.

Posted by: freakzilla | April 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called fat by Leonard Davis

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is redundant.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow people on here are addicted to complaining....

I like sports....its April....people its OK to chat a bit about other sports...its healthy...

wow...just wow....

chill out a bit people...

Posted by: chris larry | April 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

OK ESPN are a bunch of morons. They regraded the 2005 draft and said the skins should've drafted Aaron Rodgers instead of JC. WTF. Based on what? One game the guy's played? Maybe Rodgers proves to be a better QB this year but it's just lame to call him a better QB than JC at this point.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3329724

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

mtn, I think they're just saying that Rogers was higher on most peoples' draft boards at the time. Wasn't he supposed to be like a Top 10 pick? No way to know though how these things will really pan out.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called SuperSmart by Gibbs 2.0

Posted by: 4th | April 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I thought the point of the article was to regrade the 2005 draft based on how those players have panned out so far. Maybe Rodgers does become the better player but I don't think you should put him ahead of JC just based on potential - at least not for the purposes of that article.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Since the Redskins drafted JC with the 25th pick, one selection AFTER Rodgers was picked, does espn explain exactly how they should have selected an already drafted player? just askin'

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called idiot on Redskins Insider, nothing else even comes close.

Posted by: Stumped | April 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that bugs me about Jasno's post is that he sticks to the facts. The Redskins would like to draft a future number 2 QB.

There's no speculation about which draft prospects they might be interested in.

Posted by: Stumped | April 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Soup over A Rodgers anyday. Guy seems soft to me. Plus, he's got bad hair and that just won't cut it with the Skins.

Posted by: mile high | April 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

They reshuffled the players from that draft based on how they've panned out. For instance they have Shawne Merriman going #1 overall instead of Alex Smith. JC isn't even mentioned as first round material which to be fair isn't what bothered me. I just thought it was silly to say the skins should have drafted Rodgers ahead of JC when Rodgers has barely even played yet.

Posted by: mtnskinfan | April 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

well obviously Campbell should have been drafted lower. he is widely known to be a mouth-breather with sub-moron level intelligence.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh no! You got chocolate in my peanutbutter!!!!!!!!!!!


ESPN are morons...its offseason they just want to rabblerouse.....who cares what they say....


Thats whats fun about sports...you can decide it on the field and argue about it over beers in a bar (blog?)


dont take siht so personal people!

Posted by: chris lArry | April 10, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Well mr.() As I cannot tell who you are I cannot tell if you hold any Blog authority.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like being called a mouth breather by mr. ().

Posted by: alex35332 | April 10, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like the reflection in chRIs larrY's mirror.

Posted by: :) | April 10, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

How come no one calls Eli Manning a mouth breather? Just because he's figured out how to make soup from a can? I don't think his nostrils even work.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

sub-moron level football intelligence.

widely known! and indisputable! so much so that his low intelligence is regularly cited up here as a reason he's not the Answer for the Skins at QB.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I thought the ANSWER was playing in Denver. There cannot be two Answers

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

cL, getcher damb peanutbutter off my chocolate ... can't you tell we've returned to the fabled wild wild west days of the blog? Its crazy cuckoo land up here and even new Karen is sick of it. [Personally, I think Dr. Loveless is behind all of this.]

My clinical diagnosis is that, because people have their panties in a bunch about not getting their Sports Bottle (wa wa wa ... actually, its a special kind of Sports Bottle ... a Skins Bottle) from Jasno, they are "acting out" ... and taking out aggression on each other ... at least until someone mentions a football-related thing, at which point they snap right out of it ... no shorter attention span in professional sports fandom like the hamsters at RI.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

6:00 PM, if by "regularly cited" you mean the repeat posts by poolman, I can't disagree.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

chRIs LaRry, just wait, it gets better... in 2.5 weeks we'll be flooded with draft grades, those magical verdicts, those instant judgments, apparently based on projections of every single drafted player's entire NFL career. that's the stuff.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

nice stealth "panties" there, sween.

you think you're sooooo clever.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Campbell had a 3.5 GPA in college and won all-american scholar from what I can find.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

to quote Leonard Cohen, 6:03 PM, "one of us cannot be wrong"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If it were stealth, it would be Depends.

Posted by: dcsween | April 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

If it were stealth, dcsween would be sitting in church.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Alex, that was baiting up above, trotting out that shibboleth, Campbell's alleged lack of intelligence.

or is the word I'm looking for "meme"?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Good ol fassion sillyness

Posted by: alex35332 | April 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

dont take siht so personal people!

Posted by: chris lArry | April 10, 2008 5:46 PM

Ok, now you're just being unreasonable.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 10, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

And I never head the term meme, so i thought i would wiki it.

A meme (pronounced /miːm or mɛm/) consists of any unit of cultural information, such as a practice or idea, that gets transmitted verbally or by repeated action from one mind to another. Examples include thoughts, ideas, theories, practices, habits, songs, dances and moods and terms such as race, culture, and ethnicity.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought Meme was a pro basketball playa

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

when I was a kid we watched a tv show called voyage of the Meme

Posted by: alex35332 | April 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The Answer and Meme - is this a Nuggets blog?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey only I am allowed to use "meme"

Posted by: chRIS LARRy | April 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like a self punch in the nugget pouch

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

All this meme stuff is so confusing. I need a drink.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

The Answer and Meme is blowin in the wind.
The Answer is blowin in the wind.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

dead blog alert


Posted by: alex35332 | April 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called an idiot by a perceptive person.

Posted by: unregistered | April 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Nene

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Need a new post...

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess the next post will be something about a running game.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 10, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

blog doldrums.
blodrums?

Posted by: Stumped | April 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The answer, my friend, is blowing in the meme; the answer is blowing in the meme.

Posted by: Peter Paul and Nene | April 10, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

We really need to get a hall-of-fame cornerback... trade all our picks to move up and get the highest-rated one... most important position on the field

Posted by: not OldSchool | April 10, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to the season!

Posted by: not poolman | April 10, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to the season!

Posted by: not poolman | April 10, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to the season!

Posted by: not poolman | April 10, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

QB looks like a solid position for the skins this year... definitely have #1 and #2 locked down well, and they have a couple of specific guys in mind that will probably shake out during/after draft day.

Posted by: not Jasno | April 10, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I think they should get Henne. He looked really cute in his college uniform, and I think he'd look great in maroon and yellow. And black.

Posted by: not Karen | April 10, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I really appreciate the new posts. Even though there's not much information to be had, Jasno's ability to write about almost anything in an intelligent and enlightening style makes for a bright spot in the day!

Posted by: not Most Everybody | April 10, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I just got back from this Italian place I just have to tell you about.

Posted by: not Daveb55 | April 10, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I found this on a sports site I was reading at work...

Posted by: not Greg(Boston) | April 10, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I think that guy SETH.LEMASTER is way off base in his mock drafts.

Posted by: not talkshowhost | April 10, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I think I'll just sit here and ponder things for a bit.

Posted by: not Aristotle | April 10, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I need to run an experiment to see if that will work.

Posted by: not Plato | April 10, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

not Most Everybody = funny funny

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like JLaC telling Barno that he is still going to get Chris Cooley a Chris Cooley signed CD

Posted by: 4th | April 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI should start with the man in the mirror.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Guys, lay off Jason...He's upset that for another year he has the "beat" at the post instead of getting a "real" job at ESPN like Bram.

And the Nats slam on the ballpark is like his review of his "man crush" on Campbell.

Nothing in the first year, and nothing in the second...see a pattern?

Jason sure did with the nats in a WEEK. We've had 4 season of squat from Campbell.

Posted by: Richmond Dave | April 10, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like calling the Wizard on Chad.

Posted by: Kerzon417 | April 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Up in Whistler for the next week to close out the boarding season and I'm being forced to watch hockey. I cannot for the life of me figure out what I ever saw in that sport. Zzzzzzz.

BTW, anyone know the symptoms of Mad Cow Disease? Because I think I have it. Either that or a hangover, and what are the chances I would acquire a hangover???

Posted by: P Diddy | April 10, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hockey is much more interesting live, and playoff hockey can get a little... tight. So take a shot on every power play.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I am sick to death of hearing about the Caps! I know this is bad and I do support my home team(s) but I just don't care for hockey.

While I am happy the Caps made the playoffs, Sportsnet has been talking about them AD NAUSEUM for weeks and it's just getting worse. The Wizards got very little love on Sportsnet today after beating the Celtics last night (for the 3rd time!) due to MORE talk about the Caps...and the Skins? They seem to have forgotten them (ok, I know it is the offseason and not much is going on).

The non-stop Capitals talk reminds me of last year when Cal Ripken was inducted into the Hall of Fame and we had to endure "30 Days of Cal" - it was actually called that - or something like it.

On the other hand, if Sportsnet was focusing on the Skins nonstop I would be totally cool (in fact ecstatic) with that.

Posted by: Lisa | April 10, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Aww come on Lisa. The Caps are the best story right now. Ovie is Tiger Woods with fewer teeth. How often do we get a Superstar like this here in DC. Get on the bandwagon. Yeah I'd rather watch combine footage and pro days myself, but then I'd have to admit I have a problem.

HAIL CAPS!

Posted by: SMACK | April 10, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya, Lisa & Diddy. But it IS April, after all. There just is not a lot of news in the football, aside from yet another mock draft, another third-tier free agent, etc. Booooooring.

I realize hockey has really slipped, and may not even be in the "big four" any more (though NASCAR also seems to have slipped, after appearing to leapfrog hockey and maybe even NBA, but I guess that's apples to oranges, such as), but the Stanley Cup playoffs are almost always incredible.

And the Washington, DC, team has had an amazing run... it's not just hype, they have been playing incredibly well after being left for dead. They scrapped their way into the playoffs, and they have the probable league MVP, an incredible young player!

Compare that to the Wizards, who despite some truly impressive wins in big games (Celts) have not been playing consistently great ball lately, and are slouching into the playoffs. Gil's coming back doesn't really seem like it will make them "better" than they were without him, does it?

I guess I'm saying there's no reason to think the Wiz are going to make it beyond the second round of the playoffs -- again -- whereas the Caps seem like they could make a real push. And it will be something like seven months before we start doing the math on a Redskins playoff push...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

yeah, yeah, what SMACK said...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

----///chia\\\----

Posted by: ----///chia\\\---- | April 10, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Anon, where have you been? The Wiz have been on a roll lately....they have won 5-6 of their last 7 games (something like that) and have really played well most of the season despite Arenas missing 66 games and Butler 20+. Then Jamison got hurt....Daniels was also hurt for a few games.

Arenas has looked good in the 3 games since his return. Scored 17 points in 20 minutes in one game and accounted for 13 points and 6 assists in another. Last night he had 13 points and 3-4 assists in 20 something minutes and totally picked the tempo up coming off the bench.

Far more entertaining than hockey.

Posted by: Lisa | April 10, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

The Wings won. Hockeytown breathes tonight.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 10, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

yeah, yeah, what SMACK said...

Posted by: | April 10, 2008 11:06 PM

Scoopage. I'm up for a Wizards shocker, I just don't see it happening. It would be like the Giants winning the Super Bowl and we all know the thought of that is complete lunacy.

Posted by: SMACK | April 10, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

say, any of you chode lickers know where I can find some chunky monkey ice cream?

Posted by: daveb55 | April 10, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, not sure if you remember but I predicted the Giants to win the Super Bowl during preseason last year.

Posted by: Lisa | April 10, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I recall, Lisa. But I just mean...to this day the very thought of it, actually having happened. Crazy.

Posted by: SMACK | April 10, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Kedrick Golston, I had a brush-with-greatness with him last night; he was the emcee at the Virginia Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation (JDRF -- remember that, it will come in handy in a moment) "walk for the cure" kickoff dinner.
I appreciate that he was willing to do it.
I appreciate that he is a 22,23 year-old person.
I appreciate that public speaking can be difficult.

But you can't be calling it "FBR", "JMF" or "FRDF", or any of the other charming aliases he used.

Other than that, I'd -- in a different era -- say that he was an "articulate" young man. But in today's world, I'll just call him 'a breath of fresh air'.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 10, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Henne is a loser. Ask any real Michigan fan and they will tell you they Suffered through him. He is like a young version of the old Mark Brunell.

Re; Nats. Pretty smart of the Lerners to hire consultants about where to place the park, they answer "Northern Virginia" where people can drive their cars to the game and sort of tailgate and feel safe. No major down-town traffic. No hustle through the germ laden metro. Becomes a destination for Northen Virginians like the inner harbour did for a-while with the O's. Dinner, walk around, then the game.

Batting cages all throughout the new park huh? How do I get my bat to the park, bring it on the metro? Take the bus all the way from satellite parking 15 miles away?

Instead they pick a downtown location near the crime with zero parking. Even the Season Ticket parking pass situation is blocks away. Get serious. Get SERIOUS. We love our cars and the money is in the suburbs dude, make it easy on yourself. The metro fare and parking at the metro costs way more than the seats, the concessions create lines around the park. The Lerners need ownership 101, call the Danny.

Our company has the multi game plan, we can't give the week night tickets away because of the ordeal involved.

Posted by: Get Real | April 10, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Henne was 0-4 against OSU, and didn't exactly win all the other big games over his four years.
I don't think he's really what we need this year.
He hit some nice passes sometimes, but he had great WRs to throw to.
I wouldn't describe him as a WCO QB, either.
But who knows; maybe he can be Zornified.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 11, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

a "kickoff" for a walk for the cure? you don't kick off a walk. you step off. seems like Goldstone wasn't the only one getting his words mixed uppy!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

all right, Lisa, I admit, I just mailed that one in to get you riled up. I really don't give a rat's patoot about the NBA, because I think it's such an uninteresting game, though it can get mildly more interesting in the playoffs. but the playoffs seem to go on for like ten weeks, almost overlapping with the next preseason.

(hockey playoffs > pro hoops playoffs)

but with that said, do you really, honestly believe the Wiz are going to win more than one series in this playoffs?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Kost, any relation to Adrie, the coach of Ajax?

Well, lost to Leon, it's all over at Sportal. Good fun though. Next year me and the Gunners will win it all.

Posted by: SMACK | April 9, 2008 11:03 PM

He's not on my family tree so I don't think so, although I might start claiming it! Hahaha

Yeah I got done too, if I hold on to 3rd I get a spot in the Champions League next year yeah?

I hope a big bunch of Gunners fans turn up to the game and help stick it right up Man U, their pretty boy, and their ugly boy!

Posted by: kost52 | April 11, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

'', hah! If only it were that easy. First, there's the fundraising goal, then the team-building, then the corporate sponsorship opportunities, then there's the solicitation of funds.
And then there's the walk.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 11, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

NBA title isn't going to the East, the 'baddest 36 year old ever created' is going to take the title to Phoenix!

Posted by: kost52 | April 11, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Kost, this is their year (of course they were jobed last year). Lakers will once again know they traded the wrong guy.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Hell hath no fury like a QB Zorned.

Posted by: Bartleby | April 11, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Thumbnail sketches of the available QBs in this year's draft.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/8007492/NFL-Draft:-Ranking-the-quarterbacks

Posted by: Bug . . . James Bug | April 11, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

A number #3 QB that can be developed exactly as Zorn would like is a good idea. The #3 can have every aspect of his mechanics torn down and built back up long before he is likely to hit the field. For some reason it appeared that Cambell recieved very little attention to his mechanics by the coaching staff untill he was starting, which was way to late.

Lets remember, we don't really know what Zorn thinks about Cambell. He is giving us Redskin's Speak for the time being.

I have my doubts about Cambell being well suited to the "Zorn Coast Offense," though unlike some people I am willing to wait and see.

I am not down on Cambell in general, but his delivery, which is partially a function of his body type, is not ideal, and you have to get rid of the ball quickly in the Zorn Coast Offense so that guys can do something with it. Otherwise, were are going to see guys catching the short ball and getting tackled before they hit the first down marker.

Also, Cambell has got to hit the deep ones when the man is open. We saw way to many badly overthrown balls last year. Sometimes it looked like Cambell was trying to hit someone in the stands. Yes Cambell has the big arm for the deep ball but he has to get more accurate with it. There just aren't that many chances to hit the big ones.

I believe I read that Zorn said we were going to lean on the running game early on in the season. I think that is good idea. With the line back (we will see how long that last) and the new scheme I really want to see both Portis and Betts max their skills, which they could not do the Gibbs system.

Redskin's One Out

Posted by: Redskin's One | April 11, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

The successful execution of the deep pass play requires practice, and then more practice, and then more practice. The QB has to know the tendencies of the wide receivers; the WRs have to know the tendencies of the QB. Does the receiver like it over the left shoulder? Right shoulder? Does the QB throw with a flat arc? Those kinds of issues get worked out in practice. So why can't Campbell and his WRs hook up on the deep pass?

In 2006, Campbell didn't get to work with the starting WRs until he was given the starting job. Then, the emphasis was on learning the playbook, thanks to the lack of teaching/training afforded to Campbell as the 3rd string QB. (Thanks, Joe Gibbs.)

In the off-season after 2006, Campbell expressed an interest in getting together with the WRs to work on receiver timing and tendencies. Based on the information we know, most of the WRs couldn't be bothered or weren't interested. Unfortunately, due to league and union rules, these off-season workouts could only be voluntary, so the team had no ability to force them to happen. THanks, Santana.)

In 2007, there was more of the same story as the previous year: learn more of Big Al's Big Playbook first. Meanwhile, Santana and ARE had lingering injuries (groins, hamstrings, heels through much of the season), BLloyd had lingering attitude issues, and the rest of the receivers were tied up learning where the locker room was located, due to their late arrivals to the team. Again, very little or no practice for the deep pass was possible. (Thanks, Everyone.)

So let's not be so quick to blame Campbell for the failure of the deep pass play. We know he has the arm strength to deliver the ball. Perhaps if we can get some of his coaches and teammates interested in making these plays successful, we will have more answers and fewer questions about the future of the QB position.

Posted by: Bug . . . James Bug | April 11, 2008 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Just a side note to the long pass discussion: in 2007, you may have noticed that almost every long pass missed by Santana Moss was the result of his ability to make lateral (sideways) adjustments to the ball in flight. That inability for him to adjust laterally was the result of both the groin injury and the heel injury. Even though he was able to run reliable straight-line patterns with those injuries, they prevented him from making lateral adjustments. Result? Incomplete passes, time and time again.

Posted by: Bug . . . James Bug | April 11, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

Okay, well, it's pretty quiet tonight. How about some haiku?

Crickets rule the night
Chirpy noises while you sleep
Quiet at sunrise

Posted by: Bug . . . James Bug | April 11, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

dc does not deserve a baseball team just like baltimore did not deserve a football team.

Posted by: rls1041 | April 11, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Kost, you really think Phoenix is going to beat the Celtics if they meet up in the finals? Really?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 11, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

"deserve"

please elaborate, rls1041. seems to me they "deserved" equally, both having had mercenary owners spirit away the cities' past teams in those respective sports.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Thursday, Apr 10, 2008 12:47 pm EDT

Jones says deal for Pacman 'is dying'
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Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones is not planning his off-season around Pacman Jones. He said that in deciding whether to acquire him, he does not need to know if the suspended Tennessee Titans defensive back will be reinstated before the NFL Draft.

Although the potential deal does not appear to be dead, Jones said Wednesday the momentum for it is dying.

He was optimistic something could be completed at the NFL owners meeting last week, but said, "I think the longer that it goes, the less likely [it will be done]. It's just me trying to be realistic about it," Jones said. "I don't have a feel for it right now."

Posted by: Yahoo Sports, curtosy of skinfanman | April 11, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I would have thought that the Titans would be doing all that they could to distance themselves from Jones, dump him for a 5th round pick, and just move on. Whats the sense of stringing this along....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 11, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised he has a feeling for anything at all, with his face pulled so tight.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 11, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Boo Hoo lisa your getting to much Caps talk.....jaysis a few weeks of some love and you whine..for the last years nobody even knew they existed.

How about this F the Wizards.....1 and done i n the playoffs...

Yay Bullets, F the "Wiz"

And no doubt the NHL playoffs rule the NBA...F the NBA...they wont play one game even half as entertaining as the NCCA champonship game....

Posted by: Chris LARRY | April 11, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

does this mean the Skins can get back in the running for Pacman? gosh, I hope so!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Morning all.

Karen = Fake (otherwise why go off in a huff like that?)

SMACK, you're not answering your emails. Are you coming on Sunday to watch your glorious Gooners getting their season-long Championships hopes crushed by Man U? Looks like another typical Arsenal season of flattering to deceive is reaching its zenith (nadir?).

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

yes, SMACK has been incommunicado.

maybe he has been summoned to Valley Ranch with the Cowboys' brain trust to plot their draft strategy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I wish I could remember how to do italics on here, it's so... ...elegant.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Valley Ranch a brand of salad dressing? No wonder the Cowgrrls are so soft!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Bringing in an OT for a Visit
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George Lafoon
WarpathInsiders.com Apr 10, 2008

The Redskins are set to meet next week with an Offensive Tackle as the team prepares for the Draft.

Virginia Tech Offensive Tackle Duane Brown told Bucs Blitz's Matthew Postins that he is set to visit with a bunch of teams in the near future including the Redskins.

Brown played Right Tackle for the Hokies this season. But the part you might not know is, Brown also covers punts for the Hokies.

Brown, a converted Tight End, is as athletic an Offensive Tackle as an NFL team could ask for. He played Tight End his first year of college and then gained a little weight. Since he did not lose any of his speed, he is fast for his size. His speed is what makes him able to cover punts for the Hokies' heralded Special Teams unit.

Brown also told Matthew Postins that most teams are telling him that he could go as early as the second round of the draft.

Could the Redskins be looking at someone to groom to replace either Chris Samuels or Jon Jansen?

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Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/745338.html

Posted by: 4th via scout.com | April 11, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

4th, thanks for the post. Good stuff. How big/fast is this guy? What round is he projected to do in?

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 11, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

looking at 4ths post, he has been told that he is projected to go as early as the 2nd.

Draft Headquarters has him ranked as the 9th best OT in the draft. Considering 4-5 OTs are set to be taken in the 1st round, this seems to make sense. He may not even make it to our pick in the 2nd.

My favorite mock site has him going to the Vikes a few spots above us. http://newnfldraft.com/about-2/2008-nfl-mock-draft-round-2-april-5-2008

On a side note, VT has alot of players slated to go in the rounds 2-4. Pretty impressive.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I hate the Cowgirls

Posted by: Junior | April 11, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

has anyone seen my rag?

Posted by: Nate with the PMS | April 8, 2008 9:37 PM

This was the funniest post from yesterday, and I know humor.

Posted by: Dane Cook | April 9, 2008 6:45 AM

Posted by: unregistered | April 11, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

There's chat that the Fins are talking contracts with Gholston and Jake Long. It's perceived that Long (J) may be to try to push the Chiefs to trade with us as they covet him. If McFadden is then available at #5 (the Chiefs' pick) we could trade down again with the Cowgrrls.

If that scenario plays out Duane Brown is one of the Tackles we're expected to look seriously at with the extra picks we get through the trades.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I am sooooo stoked for game 1 tonight!!!! Today will be a long day.

Posted by: Ted L. | April 11, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

this isn't DI (Dolphins Insider)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Far more entertaining than hockey.

Posted by: Lisa | April 10, 2008 11:14 PM

Lisa, I have lost all respect for you. Maybe hockey is too hard for you to follow?

Posted by: Ted L. | April 11, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the "Insider Police" are back...

its not SJK-Heel insider either....

Posted by: chris larrY | April 11, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

sorry redcoat, but no one is going to trade with the dolphins. you're stuck with the #1 overall pick in a draft where no one deserves it.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

its not SJK-Heel insider either....

Posted by: chris larrY | April 11, 2008 10:25 AM

People get confused with you as part of the blog.

F chRIss larry

Posted by: unregistered | April 11, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

SMACK, you're not answering your emails. Are you coming on Sunday to watch your glorious Gooners getting their season-long Championships hopes crushed by Man U? Looks like another typical Arsenal season of flattering to deceive is reaching its zenith (nadir?).

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 9:22 AM

Pass up the opportunity to be in a bar at 10:30 am? Moi? I'm still up for it. If nothing else we can Gilooly your little crybaby China doll whiz kid and help hand the title to Chelsea.

Yup, the Arsenal experience sure mirrors my recent fantasy history. All sizzle no steak. I'm not getting emails from you though. I'll shoot you one and let me know if you have a chance to reply.

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I like Skippy's post.....Bobby Wilson was the DT with bad back.......I agree with ESPN ...hindsight is he only way to evaluate a draft....wait 2/3 yrs and look back to see who acutally can play.... i don't agree with us taking arron rogers though......

Posted by: Old School | April 11, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

this isn't DI (Dolphins Insider)

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 10:22 AM

True, but if you can read the 9:32 post today you'll see why the comment was germane.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

i don't know how he can say we should have taken aaron rogers when 1) he wasnt available when we selected and 2) Aaron Rogers hasn't done jack in the NFL - he could be total garbage. Atleast we know Campbell is a starting-caliber QB.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Parcells with no love for Chris Long. Seems like a guy that would be right up his alley. Even Jerry Jones isn't stupid enough to trade 2 first rounders to move up and get McFadden when he already has Barber. He can draft the other kid from Arkansas (Felix Jones) and still fill another need with the other pick.

Where is Jasno with our RB update? Must not have other filler for a new post.

Posted by: cdubb | April 11, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I think we're fine to take Chris Long with #1 if that's what happens TSH, but you can't blame us for trying to parlay it into the greatest possible value when we're smack-dab in the middle of rebuilding. Always worth a go.

My $1 says we're successful in trading, by the way.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, I definitely agree you guys would be smart to trade out of the pick, and i'd be happy for you if you could.

I would be happy if you traded out of the pick, simply because it would have a ripple effect and prompt other teams to make trades... hopefully with us.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I replied to your email SMACK. Let's see if my missive gets tangled up in your smut-filter again!!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Where is Jasno with our RB update? Must not have other filler for a new post.

Posted by: cdubb | April 11, 2008 10:37 AM

Jasno has bigger fish to fry than the Redskins -- he's a second stringer on the Caps beat now. I look for him to post another guest blog soon, perhaps this time in Spanish or Italian. But I wouldn't look to Jasno for any information on the Redskins. As he so aptly put it "my blog so I gotta follow my heart," which is not with the Redskins right now.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Why do people think Barber is so great? He looked really good with his -5 yards rushing and Andre Carter in his mouth.

Breaking tackles is only useful if you run forward.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Why do people think Barber is so great? He looked really good with his -5 yards rushing and Andre Carter in his mouth.

Breaking tackles is only useful if you run forward.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 10:59 AM

Huh?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins Defensive line placed nuts on his face.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

The NFL definitely has to put in a salary schedule for rookies. This is the only way that teams in the 1st 5-7 picks (excluding teams that are there because of trades, i.e. NE) will be able to build their teams into a more competitive teams. 1st of all, no rookie has earned the money they get just because they are drafted early. 2nd, this will help teams trade out of the early picks for more picks.

The fins need to look at one of the other top five picks to trade out with because not many other teams are going to want to carry the salary for whoever gets picked 1st in THIS draft.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

this isn't DI (Dolphins Insider)

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 10:22 AM

Starting to wonder if this is a Redskins Insider.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins Defensive line placed nuts on his face.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 11:04 AM

The Skins d-line 'placed nuts' on who? I have no idea what you're talking about. Can you give me some context?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

The NFL definitely has to put in a salary schedule for rookies. This is the only way that teams in the 1st 5-7 picks (excluding teams that are there because of trades, i.e. NE) will be able to build their teams into a more competitive teams. 1st of all, no rookie has earned the money they get just because they are drafted early. 2nd, this will help teams trade out of the early picks for more picks.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:05 AM

Got to agree with that Curz. There's precious little incentive to want to pick first when it has the possibility of turning into a fiasco like last year did for the Raiders and even the Browns. the guys gets picked, says "I'm so proud, this is the team I always wanted to play for" and then promptly goes on hold-out until he gets a contract bigger than Tom Brady's!!

Ridiculous.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Why do people think Barber is so great? He looked really good with his -5 yards rushing and Andre Carter in his mouth.

Breaking tackles is only useful if you run forward.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 10:59 AM

And with the new stiff arm rule, he will have less running yards.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Barber

They took out the nuts and then placed them on his face.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Coat

Depending on the weather (crappy weather yes, good weather probably not), I might try to get over to Summers for Sunday football.

Since we'd look ridiculous sporting NFL garb at a UEFA match, how would I id you and Smack?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Russel more than deserves 60+ million without ever playing an NFL down. You didn't know that? Players usually have to wait until they prove something to get more money on their second contract, but not anymore baby! Russell should have held out for half ownership of the team. It's not like he is butt cheeks or anything... moohahahahaha

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Slow day on the bolg. Guess I will try one more:

Being called an idiot on RI is like calling the Patriots cheaters.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Adam, may I suggest lanyards?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I mean Premiere match. So many playoffs to keep track of, so little brain cells

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Coat

Depending on the weather (crappy weather yes, good weather probably not), I might try to get over to Summers for Sunday football.

Since we'd look ridiculous sporting NFL garb at a UEFA match, how would I id you and Smack?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 11:16 AM

To be fair you would look rediculous wearing Iggles gear anywhere.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

redcoat and curz, i definitely agree on there being some sort of salary schedule. I've thought about it alot though and I cant come up with anything that is "fair" to the players and the teams.

Any thoughts on how this might be accomplished?

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Adam, may I suggest lanyards?

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 11:18 AM

Funniest of the day.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What is fair to both the players and the teams would be to make a set amount of money according to your draft order. Then you go out and play well in order to get paid bigger bucks IF you deserve it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

TSH,

Sometimes people just have to make tuff decisions and the NFLPA needs to bite the bullet on this one.

Contracts should not be over three years long so that players that prove they can play have a chance to get paid. There should not be a huge difference in $$$ for the top 10 picks. Don't give a QB more money at #1 than you give an OL player.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. Have not really thought about the substance, I just feel strongly that this needs to be done.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Five trillion comments about calling an RI an idiot is like... and not enough about football. That's why I left in a "huff." I think we all know that calling an RI an idiot is one of the most obvious things you could ever say. So lets have some creativity with the comments on that. Just my opinion. Also, I obviously agree with Lisa; more football please.

The athletic OT sounds like a nice 2-3rd round draft choice. I read somewhere that Henne sucks and Michigan fans suffered through it, but the dud gave no supporting evidence. Just how does Henne suck? Thanks.

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I couldn't agree more that rookie salaries should be controlled to where they make max/yr what a 7 yr vet would get if he was making the league minimum.

Opening a pandora's box - I believe Upshaw has no idea what he's doing. Having an uncapped year, thereby preventing the return of the salary cap would be disastrous for the league. It will make paying players too expensive so some teams would have to shut down. Beyond that, the four things he should be vying for are increased retirement benefits (i.e. the injured with disability), a rookie salary cap, the appointment of a safety person to help with producing and enforcing policies that would help reduce concussions and other preventable injuries, and a social worker for each team that works with players to make sure they're spending their trilions responsibly (they won't declare bankruptcy right after they retire), keeping themselves safe, learning how to deal with the media, etc. In my opinion, doing these things while keeping the 60% of money going to the players will go a long way to having a happy, well run league that will not alienate fans.

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Karen I agree. Without a salary cap, the NFL becomes like MLB, only some teams will compete.

And with revenue sharing, the small market teams are making more than what was written lately.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Okay 'no name' commenter = sams3. I get it now.

But I still have no idea what you're talking about sams. Which Barber, to whom, and why?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Karen, I agree about Upshaw.

If the league goes the route of baseball with no cap, you can fold up the Bills, and a couple of other teams. While Wilson is an idiot for not selling the naming rights to that stadium, there is no way he could keep up with Jerry, Dan, or Bob Kraft.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 11, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

curzon, i like the 3 year limit on contracts... do you feel that should be the same throughout the draft or just in the 1st round?

Also, should there be a set-predetermined salary for each slot (or range of slots) in the first round? If so, what the heck would agents negotiate?

Really, what is the incentive for the NFLPA and owners to NOT want a set salary schedule? All it would do is garauntee teams didnt get screwed and current/veteran NFL players got more money allocated to them. It seems like a win/win situation where the only ones getting "screwed" are the rookies, and they aren't someone current NFL teams and players/NFLPA should really "care" about.


Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

We had a discussion a while back about rookies and the consensus was to give them 3-year contracts but with only the first year guaranteed. the idea was to effectively make them an RFA at the end of that year so that if they were 'a dud' they'd get cut with minimal impact and could be picked up by anyone, but if someone came in for them the selecting team could either choose to match the offer or get compensatory picks in return.

Seems equable to both sides and workable within existing contractual frameworks.

Any thoughts?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Just how does Henne suck? Thanks.

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008 11:32 AM

How can he suck?? He started 4 years at Michigan and almost took them to the promise land when he was a sophmore. Dude has the 2nd Best arm in the draft, next Flacco.....

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I have a public squeaking activity for an hour or two now but I'll call back in later.

Ave et Delphinus!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

TSH,

I think the 3 year contract should be for all rounds. Make the rookie salary cap based on where a player is selected, not on his position.

Screw the agents. The can make their money when a new contract is negotiated. They already cause enough problems.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

i dont see thet agents getting screwed as long as upshaw is president of the NFLPA.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Part of the problem is the conflict of interest that exists by allowing the same agencies to represent players, former players, and coaches. It's all a bit too incestuous.

Posted by: ABBA | April 11, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

JLaC,

Can I interest you in this article? Here is an excerpt:

The five months from the end of the Super Bowl until the beginning of training camp is considered the NFL's offseason, but in truth, the NFL doesn't really have an offseason.

There's activity throughout the year and many times, championships are won during those five months when nobody is putting on helmets or pads. The teams' front offices are on center stage and trying to put the pieces in place for a championship run.

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19475450&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

and palindromic, ABBA.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

+++Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/745338.html

Posted by: 4th via scout.com | April 11, 2008 9:32 AM+++


Thanks--You linked us to a solicitation to blow $80 on a year long "Warpath" subscription.

Posted by: Corkczar | April 11, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Since we'd look ridiculous sporting NFL garb at a UEFA match, how would I id you and Smack?

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 11:16 AM

Adam, I'm going as Dennis Bergkamp. You know, receding hairline, goofy Dutch look, #10 shirt. Be great if you can make it.

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Tuna is having reverse Lottery to see who he picks for the first draft pick. Dan Patrick and Rich Eisen were talking about the ridiculousness of the cost of high draft picks and the Speculation is that Tuna is trying to get an agent to blink in exchange for being the first overall selection. Talking to both Longs, Gholston and a few more suspects.

They agreed it's ridiculous what these untested bozos are getting, and the NFL needs to come up with an NBA-like salary scale.

Discuss among yourselves.

Posted by: Corkczar | April 11, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Adam, I'm going as Dennis Bergkamp. You know, receding hairline, goofy Dutch look, #10 shirt. Be great if you can make it.

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 12:27 PM


Yup, that sums it up pretty much.

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought the goofy Dutch look was greasy, slicked-back hair with a receding hairline.

Posted by: GH | April 11, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks--You linked us to a solicitation to blow $80 on a year long "Warpath" subscription.

Posted by: Corkczar | April 11, 2008 12:25 PM

You should have sent me $40 and I could have gave you my log in!

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I think we agree more than we disagree. Now, I am going to pick the Suns over the Celtics in the Championship game. By the time they get to the title game, they will have come together as a team. And Shacks elbows are sure to take someone out.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Top 5 Reasons for No "Position Glance - Running Backs" thread today.

1) Blog readers covered the subject adequately yesterday.
2) It's a long commute to Baltimore.
3) It's difficult to memorize all these new Caps players and numbers.
4) Too many regular Blog readers have abandoned ship until registration returns.
5) The dog ate my homework.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

6) I havent found another site thats done an analysis of the redskins running backs that i can plager... i mean browse for insights.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

6) Lack of interest in Redskins, NFL.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Love the top 5...

This is cut and paste from the article posted last night about top QBs.

I like the way there is an emphasis on having a look forward to the 2010 draft to determine the best picks this year. Having said that, I might still be disappointed if we picked a QB with the fourth rounder.

"The class is: Decent, but not phenomenal. However, teams will overpay and overdraft for a quarterback with 2009 and 2010 looking bare for top passers. There are plenty of career backups here but only a few who'll make any noise as a starter. To put the class into perspective, Brady Quinn, who went 22nd to Cleveland last year, would've been the top prospect out of this crop by far.

The best value pick will be: Chad Henne, Michigan

Most underrated: Kevin O'Connell, San Diego State

Most overrated: Joe Flacco, Delaware

The deep, deep sleeper is: Paul Smith, Tulsa"

Posted by: Stumped | April 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

7) Difficulty in finding negative things to say about the Redskins, Dan, or Vinnie with respect to running backs. No, that can't be it - Trung Canidate and TJ Dukett.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

The main problem with reducing rookie contracts to three years is the ability of clubs with lots of salary cap room to stage raids on the best young players. The only solution for that is to create some special ERFA designation for the highly-drafted players who have completed three years under a new system. (No other team can negotiate with those players, but a minimum salary level extension is guaranteed.) Or a system similar to the NBA could be established (where the drafting club can write a longer and more-valuable contract than any other club).

The downside of a three-year contract system is it would make evaluation of promising quarterbacks much more difficult, unless they are playing full-time by year 2.

Posted by: ABBA | April 11, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

And Kajina (sp?) Carter. Wasn't that his name?

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Kijana Carter?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Spell my name right, damn it!

Posted by: Ki-Jana Carter | April 11, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

sams3 is having to much fun posting as anonymous

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

sams3 is legendary - everyone knows that.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Kijana Carter?

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 12:53 PM

Didn't he play for the skins or was it a different unsuccessful NFL RB from Penn St.?

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

ABBA,

I was thinking about that on 3 year contracts for QB. The Tyson Chandler in the NBA is a good example of this. When they are finally good enough to play, the team that drafted them does not get the benefit of their skills.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't he play for the skins or was it a different unsuccessful NFL RB from Penn St.?

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 1:00 PM

Yes, same person. He played for the Redskins and for Penn State.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

sams3? maybe, maybe not.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

curz, the team would always have the option to slap a franchise tag on the player if they thought and keep them while they renegotiate a long-term contract. Remember, this would be negotiated just like contracts are now for FAs. If the player was awesome, the team would, of course, try to keep them. If the player wasn't, then chances are, most other teams wouldn't offer the player some huge contract either.

As long as team who drafted the player had "first dibs," along with some form of compensation should the player leave, then i would be all for it.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

7) Difficulty in finding negative things to say about the Redskins, Dan, or Vinnie with respect to running backs. No, that can't be it - Trung Canidate and TJ Dukett.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 12:47 PM

And Ki-jina Carter

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Where's our Caps Playoff Update?

Posted by: pulldownclaw | April 11, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

THS,
I agree. I think that I was looking more at the situation that the player did not get an opportunity to show that he has skills or that he does not have skills by the third year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

All of the rookie salary cap talk brings up an interesting perspective. Call me a cynic, but with the path that the players salaries seems to be going, eventual downfall of the league seems to be ineveitable. The owners will all go bankrupt if they have to keep escalating the salaries in the manner that has been happening. Especially if it goes uncapped. The "poorer" teams will drop like flies......The players simply demand, and are getting, too much money. The league is supposedly 9 billion in debt for all of the new stadiums and other reasons (not exactly sure what the other reasons are). The players are getting 60% of the revenues. I am not sure if that 60% is including, or on top of their salaries....anyone know? Either way, the owners are soon not going to be able to cover expenses. Revenue sharing is going to go down, as the NFL wants the NFL network to start airing more and more games, and the big networks already cry that they can't make enough on commercials to cover their expenses (there are already WAAAAYYY too many commercial breaks). Watch; the networks are going to underbid like crazy the next time TV contract talks come up. For some reason attendance at the games is going up, but the fans are going to start balking at ticket prices pretty soon. I have to side with the owners when they say that the players are just getting greedier and greedier. I know the owners are greedy as well, but IMO, it's their business; they OWN it so it's their right to be greedy and make a ton of money.

Seems to me that the owners should get together and say "Union-shmunion" and come up with their own salary structure by player position and time/plays played (call it an hourly wage). If the players don't like it, they can take a hike and puth their college degrees to good use. If the owners stick together they can make it work. Payrolls are what, $110 million? Just break it up over 53 players giving the starters more than the backups, etc and you have a decent system. Rookies get paid as much as vets when they start. When they sit on the bench they get paid like a backup. Chumps like Brandon Lloyd would have to practice hard and play hard otherwise they get benched and don't make as much. Give them a great insurance plan to cover injuries. If these guys who demand 12 million per year think it's feasible, let them start their own league and see how fast it folds, and watch them come crawling back to the NFL. If you are afraid all of the stars would leave for a USFL type league, history shows how long other high priced football leagues last.....they go bankrupt real quick. We saw in 1987 that a ton of players crossed the picket lines for alot less than what today's players make. I think you could certainly find enough talent that would be perfectly happy to play in the NFL for $500,000 to 3 million per year (based on time played) to field a league that is just as fun to watch as todays.

As far as free agency goes, unless traded, let players "hit the market" every 4 or 5 years, although this structure does not allow signing bonuses and the structure would be the same across all teams, so you might not see as much movement unless it means a starting job vs backup.....

I realize that there are a ton of wholes in this, but just something I've thought about, because I really do fear that the league may fold in 10-20 years becuase the players are so effin greedy. Thoughts......

Posted by: dlhaze | April 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

samsnonymous -

Which Barber?

TeeVee?

Roundy?

Mary-Anne?

The comment was such a non-sequitur (hey, Latin!) that I'm just trying to understand what triggered it and why it's relevant.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The best thing about an ERFA-based system (exclusive rights free agency) is that a drafting team would have the sole ability to sign the player to a new deal. This is a good solution for skill position players who develop slowly (quarterback) or for budding "stars". (Derrick Dockery might fit as an example, where he was just starting to come into his own after his third year.) The drafting team could sign a new contract with the player, or sign an extension with the player being guaranteed a high salary, indicative of their value. Or the drafting team could just release the player into regular free agency and be done with him. (Players with ERFA status could not be traded, only signed or released into free agency.)

Posted by: ABBA | April 11, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

F the regulars!

Posted by: We're here now dammit!!! | April 11, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Five trillion comments about calling an RI an idiot is like... and not enough about football. That's why I left in a "huff."

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008 11:32 AM

Well, as the disinteresed sponsor of the idiocy, I take offense at this churlish comment. It was easily the best of the jibba-jabba yesterday, so I've copied off the analogies and will be putting them up on the Wiki.

And there weren't five trillion. More like 22. But you're a biologist so maybe if you looked at them through a microscope they looked like five trillion. After all, being a scientist I know that you admire precise observation.

Now I wonder if you'd do us the favor of copying your elucidating insights about your undergraduate research onto the Wiki so that we can refer back to them whenever the topic comes up?

Man, for someone who complains about "not enough about football," don't you think you sort of wandered a bit far off the reservation yourself?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze,

The 60% covers everything for the players. A fixed percentage makes sense because the players' dollar share can both rise and fall in the future. While all of the owners may not be crazy about the system, they all appear to be making money currently. However, going to an uncapped system would be lunacy. That would destroy the league pretty quickly.

Your union-busting example will not work because the owners would be guilty of collusion in doing so. They would lose in court fairly quickly.

Posted by: ABBA | April 11, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Kurz, thanks for posting that article from the Philly paper. I liked what they had to say until I got to this part:

"The Eagles are clearly better than the Redskins"

Who knew? Up to this point in time, I had thought that they SPLIT the games they played last year? That is to say, I was ignorant of Philly being "CLEARLY" better.

Shaq, will be worn down by the time June rolls around.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 11, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

good point cerz. My response to that is this:

if the player played some and showed promise, while not living up to expectations, they are sure to sign a modest contract with SOMEONE. Realistically, teams are going to play players that give their teams the best chance to win. If the player hasnt done well enough to earn a starting job, then they don't deserve the big bucks anyways.

On the other hand, lets say the player never got to play at all after 3 years (perhaps simplyd due to being beind a Brett Farve type guy on the depth chart). If the team that drafted the player feels the player has so much promise, they will give the player enough money to stay. If the team choses not to keep the player, do you really think there isnt some team out there who is going to "take a chance" on a guy who is 3 years removed from being a first round pick and never had the chance to step onto the field? The player would probably get signed to something of a "prove it" deal.

In any scenario I can think of, players are going to get paid what they are worth. I think it would honestly "raise the bar" in the NFL, as a guy who just signed a rookie contract with 20M garaunteed really doesnt have much to "play for." In this case, youre ensured that every new player worth his salt is going to be fighting his guts out to get that "big contract."

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, everybody on this blog wants to be the one to decide what topic is acceptable and what is not. everybody wants to be the ultimate judge, or the evaluator, if you will.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

everybody wants to be the ultimate judge

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 1:38 PM

Yeah but everyone knows, by now, that the ultimate judges are NateinthePDX (a former blogger) and, when he's out to lunch (as now), dcsween.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

d1haze, you are a cynic!

But I agree with your thoughts. There has to be some way to make this work. It may take a stoppage like the NHL had recently to make this work.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

te, change your handle to "topic evaluator" and you can decided what we can, and cannot discuss...

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a skinny bozo by BOOFER

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Some of us don't care what topics come up, as long as a few are bouncing around. The worst topic is no topic at all - when there is no one posting about anything. Like on weekends.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

yeah, where IS dcsween, anyway?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

The ultimate judge, love him or hate him, is the not guy.

Hate him!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called anything by jjwilson.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called an idiot talking about Redskins on a biology blog

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

yeah, where IS dcsween, anyway?

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 1:44 PM

he's posting anonymous comments.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called a SJK by Jack's kids.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

TSH, good argument. Can't disagree to what you are saying. And it will also go towards keeping salaries down. You have definitely given it more thought that I have. Mostly, I am making quick responses.

And at risk of taking some flack, I like this conversation more than talking hockey.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called Vinny by Jasno.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Don Banks today echoed the comments on Redskins Insider yesterday. Well, the comments about Malcolm Kelly, not the comments about being called an idiot:

And while we're talking about guys who just don't get it, I wish I could tell Oklahoma receiver Malcolm Kelly how some NFL teams are scouting more than just a prospect's 40 times this spring. They're looking for things like what motivates you, what kind of guy will you be when things don't go your way, and if you'll find everyone to blame but yourself.

After struggling with a quad injury, Kelly finally worked out for pro scouts on Wednesday at OU, but when he didn't run as fast as he thought he should (4.68), he lashed out at the school for having him run on the softer artificial surface of the Sooners' practice facility rather than the firmer Astroturf infield of the school's indoor track. This despite the fact the scouts present asked Kelly to run on the softer surface because it's what he'll play on in the NFL.

"Just a little bit of time could mean a whole lot of draft money,'' bemoaned Kelly, thereby revealing his first priority. "This is my life. You know what I'm saying? This ain't no school. This ain't no classroom. This ain't got nothing to do with that. This has to do with me, my family. This is what I do. I play football. And I'm supposed to come out here and run as fast as I can.''

You can bet plenty of teams heard Kelly's message loud and clear. Especially the part about the money, and the me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot Redskins Insider is like being called creepy by Fudge-Ums

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg, boy did I blow it on spelling Shaq!!

My picking the Suns is based on my heart, not my head, so I cannot rebut any good argument against.

That was a homie article, so I can see where the guy thinks they are clearly better, but at least it was not just trash talking.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

You can bet plenty of teams heard Kelly's message loud and clear. Especially the part about the money, and the me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 1:53 PM

If it isn't about the money and him, then what is it about? Besides your personal entertainment.

Posted by: So what DO they play for? | April 11, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

TE,

You may also want to tell Kelly where Latrell Sprewell is about now. You can't make it all about money. And you shouldn't blow all of that money when you do get it. I wonder who is feeding Latrell's family now.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Money makes me go.
Money makes the world go round.

Posted by: Working America | April 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being called talented by Dan Snyder.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

cerzon, i enjoy this conversation more as well. however, would it perhaps be more appropriate if we went to a caps blog to talk about football?

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

If it isn't about the money and him, then what is it about? Besides your personal entertainment.

Posted by: So what DO they play for? | April 11, 2008 1:57 PM

I've heard there are some who think it's a team sport. That's where there are 11 guys on the field at a time.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

You should not have a general discussion of NFL labor policy on this blog.

This blog is reserved for Redskins-specific discussion only.

Go away.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

i certainly wish Malcom Kelly would shut up. I want him, and 1-2 other receivers, to do something to up their stock so they are taken in the first round... that should help ensure someone worth taking falls to us at 21.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

te, I wouldn't draft Kelly at all, 5th, 6th or 7th round pick, I wouldn't touch that cat.

I'd love to hear the spin job that HOPEFULLY, he's doing now to show teams that he's not a complete douche..

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If it isn't about the money and him, then what is it about? Besides your personal entertainment.

Posted by: So what DO they play for? | April 11, 2008 1:57 PM

So that they do not need to do real work like me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Credo Elvem etiam vivere.

Posted by: Julius Caesar | April 11, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Take that Hobbit talk somewhere else, Julius.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Credo Elvem etiam vivere.

Posted by: Julius Caesar | April 11, 2008 2:06 PM

Agree 100%. Wait, no I don't! Um, what did you say?

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze,
The 60% covers everything for the players. A fixed percentage makes sense because the players' dollar share can both rise and fall in the future. While all of the owners may not be crazy about the system, they all appear to be making money currently. However, going to an uncapped system would be lunacy. That would destroy the league pretty quickly.
Your union-busting example will not work because the owners would be guilty of collusion in doing so. They would lose in court fairly quickly.
Posted by: ABBA | April 11, 2008 1:33 PM
Good point I guess.....I am no lawyer but that sounds pretty straight. I guess it may come down to bargaining for soemthing like that in the future though. Whatever happens, there will always need to be some sort of cap though. These salaries with the gauranteed payouts are getting beyond ridiculous.

Posted by: dlhaze | April 11, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

So that they do not need to do real work like me.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 2:06 PM

I'm assuming the Post is paying you, like the rest of us, for these posts, right? I cleared $47,000 last year, working from home and at hours of my choosing.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

If it isn't about the money and him, then what is it about? Besides your personal entertainment.

Posted by: So what DO they play for? | April 11, 2008 1:57 PM

La gloire, n'est pas!

Posted by: Soldat Anglais | April 11, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

No, Jason, you don't hope you're wrong about DC not being a "true baseball town", as you put it. You just love to put down this city and its teams at every subtle opportunity. DC has a rich baseball tradition, which will return over time. All we need is a winner. If you need further proof, just consider the sudden local excitement over the Caps. Perhaps we don't fully support teams blindly, win or lose, like some cities (except for the Skins of course), but tickets ain't cheap these days either. The bigger question: is this a true local sports blog or not? The constant rehashing of Snyder's track record with the salary cap? Ok ok, we all know about that, so what. I can get this kind of dull negativity toward DC teams on Philly.com or anywhere else. You do get some good news from time to time, no doubt, but when you don't have any, less is more. No need to tell us how overworked you are. No need to dredge up past mistakes either. You're not my wife!

Posted by: cliffbattles | April 11, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

You're not my wife!

Posted by: cliffbattles | April 11, 2008 2:12 PM

An interesting point Cliff. How do you know I'm not your wife? Everyone is anonymous on here....

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

NO SCOUTS ALLOWED AT NEXT KELLY WORKOUT
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 11, 2008, 2:12 p.m.
Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly is trying to make up for the bad 40-yard dash time he ran at this week's pro day and for the bad attitude he displayed afterward. But he's doing it in a peculiar way.

Kelly will have another workout on Sunday in Atlanta, at which he'll try to improve on his previous 40 times, which were in the 4.7-second range. But according to Matt Mosley of ESPN.com, Kelly has decided that no NFL personnel will be allowed at the workout.

Seriously.

Instead, the workout will be conducted by former Packers receiver and Falcons scout Boyd Dowler, who will then pass along the results of the workout on to all 32 teams.

Prediction: All 32 teams will proceed to put the information in their circular files.

After I wrote about Kelly this week I heard from people who say they know him and know that he's a good young man. Fine. He may well be. But he's a good young man who is seriously delusional about the way the NFL draft works.

NFL teams don't need to have the terms of workouts dictated to them by draft prospects. A workout that scouts are explicitly told they can't attend is worse than no workout at all. Kelly should re-consider this idea.

Posted by: 4th via PFT | April 11, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

cliffbattles are you going to take your toys and go home.....can't take an "insult"....man grow a pair jaysis...."your wife has really done you a job huh....During Tramatic Marriage Stress Syndrome" obvie....

man just j*rk-off more or something....(SJK)

Posted by: chris lARry | April 11, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

You can't be haIRy without chRIs larry.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

we should take bets on Kelly's new and improved 40 time.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry. My wife wouldn't let me type for 10 minutes. I was on timeout.

Posted by: cliffbattles | April 11, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Wait...here she comes again. Bye.

Posted by: cliffbattles | April 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

we should take bets on Kelly's new and improved 40 time.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 2:38 PM

Since no one will be watching,

I bet it will be a 4.27

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Time is all relative anyway.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not anonymous, I tell people who I am, and where I'm from.

4th, are you kidding me with that?? Wow. Is he looking NOT to get drafted at ALL??

I had previously thought he was a tool, however I was unprepared how MUCH of a tool this guy really is. I hope he gets stone-walled by all 32 teams. What a jerk this guy is. Someone needs to let this guy know the toothpaste is out of the tube, and it aint going back in.

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he should only run 30 yards to try and cut down on his time.

Posted by: Nico | April 11, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I've heard there are some who think it's a team sport. That's where there are 11 guys on the field at a time.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 2:02 PM

That kind of crap is taught in school by the P.E. teacher. You know, when you're playing ultimate frisbee, or something. I think by the time you hit 16 until you start a family, you should know it's all about YOU! The reason it's all about you because you're trying to make life comfortable for your family, assuming you'll have one someday.

Posted by: I got mine, you better get yours! | April 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Kelly's new 40 time will be just a hair under 4 seconds. 3.96. First sub-4 second 40 ever run by a receiver. Kelly will claim afterwards that he was battling the FLU, and tell everyone how its OU's fault that he got sick.

I mean, does he, or his agent have ANY clue?? Do they think that suddenly a workout attended by no-one is to be taken as valid? What an idiot.

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It would be funny if Malcolm Kelly was so dumb as to say he ran a time that is impossible, say 3.92. Even more funny if he was at the draft with cameras rolling as he slipped to the 4th round. If Cerrato drafts that idiot, I will personally drive over to the Park and slap him.

Posted by: cdubb | April 11, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the "idiot" analogies are posted on the Wiki:

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/How+it+feels+to+be+called+an+idiot+on+RI

There are 28 of them (or three trillion if you're Karen). You're free to add others. In fact, it's a Wiki, so you can do anything you want including pasting up Karen's insights from her term biology term papers.

And who's the winner? It wouldn't be fair for me to pick because I have a horse in this race. Three of them, in fact, and they're very clever, if I do say so myself.

The winner should be selected by NateinthePDX since he generously offered to buy the winner a drink at a yet-to-be-chosen site on June 7.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall seeing any such offer up here, t_e.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Same wavelength there Greg. Good stuff. Malcolm Kelly's wonderlich score was probably like Blutarsky. 0.0

Posted by: cdubb | April 11, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

sams3 is a legend in two games.

News flash Philly is just coming off it's best 10 year stretch of all time and have nothing to show for it.

The Redskins best 10 year stretch resulted in 3 bowls.

OWNED

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall seeing any such offer up here, t_e.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 2:50 PM

t_e has repeated it several times nonny-mouse, so it mustbe true!

Posted by: unregistered | April 11, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I believe the precise term you're looking for is "similes," idiot.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

sams3 is a legend in his own mind.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Marion Barber - Coat

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, everybody on this blog wants to be the one to decide what topic is acceptable and what is not. everybody wants to be the ultimate judge, or the evaluator, if you will.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 1:38 PM

Its not about what topics are acceptable (censure), its about code of conduct. Manners, baby. (Remember, what your mom taught you.)

Oh, and its about having fun. And for some of us, trying to keep that positive vibration going...in spite of, well you know...all the twisted turns.

With that code of conduct, and ITA, we don't need no stinkin registration (if only).

Hail the good times!
Hail the Redskins!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

sams3 is a legend in his own mind.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 2:56 PM

and in the mind of other insiders

sams3 is legendary - everyone knows that.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 12:58 PM

I didn't post that.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't recall seeing any such offer up here, t_e.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 2:50 PM

Poster-with-difficult-to-pronounce-name:

It's in yesterday's posts, somewhere, I'm sure. Maybe it was implicit, rather than explicit, but look carefully and you'll find it.

Anyway, Nate's known for his generosity, second only to Diddy's, so you can feel confident that this offer which I think was made will actually be honored even if I turn out to be completely wrong again.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I believe the precise term you're looking for is "similes," idiot.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 2:56 PM

I always preferred the Irish version -eejit - which seems so much less harsh .

Posted by: unregistered | April 11, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Marion Barber = Ladies' hairdresser, surely?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Stumped--You been hanging out with Big Murf?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat is a legend.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

t_e is buying beers for everyone at the June 7 meet-up! t_e you rule better than sams3

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Now that the "idiot" thing is in the books, let's start thinking about this one:

What does "agree to disagree" really mean when someone writes it on Redskins Insider?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What does "agree to disagree" really mean when someone writes it on Redskins Insider?

It means my opinion is better than your opinion so quit while your behind

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm Malcolm Kelly. People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I enjoy ice cream and a nice pair of slacks. Years later, a doctor will tell me I have an I.Q. of 48 and that I am considered mentally retarded.

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Again, drinks will be purchased and consumed, but beyond that, no promises have been made.


In the unlikely event that anyone is interested in the get-together which talent evaluator keeps mentioning and would like more information on it, there was a thread a few weeks back:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/03/spring_shabinguses.html


Says here anyone and everyone is welcome to attend. And that's a true fact.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree is the concession phrase when arguing against an indefensible point.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

t_e

Being called an idiot on RI is the fine line between clever and stupid

Smell the glove, t_e. Smell the glove

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

;)

Posted by: Stumped | April 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Who am I:

Everyone claims I am the best back of all time, I make the probowl and don't deserve it. My team's owner is a pretend oil tycoon. When I faced the Redskins I lost yards for my total, they were just too much for me. Sometimes I break tackles but then go sideways for no yardage. Who am I?

Posted by: Trivia Man | April 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Mason?

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Cowgirl MaryAnn Barber

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

It would be funny if Malcolm Kelly was so dumb as to say he ran a time that is impossible, say 3.92. Even more funny if he was at the draft with cameras rolling as he slipped to the 4th round. If Cerrato drafts that idiot, I will personally drive over to the Park and slap him.

Posted by: cdubb | April 11, 2008 2:46 PM

I personally think it would be funny if you got fired and couldn't find another job.

What's that???
Don't care about my opinion???

I'm sure Vinny doesn't either.

Posted by: cdubb, i would like you to meet my friend, bad karma. bad karma, cdubb. | April 11, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

ON NATE BUYING THE WINNER A DRINK:

First prize, I failed to mention, is a drink OF YOUR CHOICE with NateinthePDX on June 7. Nate's flying in from the PDX especially to shake the winner's hand.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 11:47 AM

@dcsween
The first sentence was interesting. The second was too long. So, for that one, you get to shake the winner's hand, right after Nate buys him a drink.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 10, 2008 12:22 PM


This seems pretty clear to me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually I'm a leg-end. Which I suppose makes me a foot. Like such as, maps, etc.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like sams3 being as unfunny anonymous as he is regularly

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Seems prety clear that t_e is trying to spend another mans money. Thats ghetto whack

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like sams3 being as unfunny anonymous as he is regularly

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 3:18 PM

Ouch! Now let's play nicely....

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

What does "agree to disagree" really mean when someone writes it on Redskins Insider?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 3:03 PM

Once said poster post this, then it's time for the other poster to disagree to agree to disagree because no one shall have the last word......

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Now that the "idiot" thing is in the books, let's start thinking about this one:

What does "agree to disagree" really mean when someone writes it on Redskins Insider?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 3:03 PM

I don't care what you say. I'm right and you're wrong! I'm just tired of arguing back and forth.

Posted by: My nads are bigger than your nads | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Nate - Where is the Happy Hour?

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"You can't be haIRy without chRIs larry."

so true...so so true....

Posted by: Chris larry | April 11, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

What does "agree to disagree" really mean when someone writes it on Redskins Insider?

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 3:03 PM

F U ChRiS LaRry!

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator, it's not entirely out of the question that the winner of the simile-off ("nobody outsimiles...") will be stood a drink at the meet-up. it's just that the promise made was not really made. trying manage expectations here.

a word of caution, though: with these wild promises, you yourself may be jeopardizing the drink that was going to be purchased for you and delivered to your balcony above the proceedings! golly, it sure would stink to be up there alone, without Statler (or is Greg Waldorf? I can never remember) and without a drink.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Hmm

That last post sonds a lot funnier than it looks. I guess I should agree to disagree that I shouldn't have posted it

Oops

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

TBD, 4th, TBD, but in the vicinity of MCI Center.

close to Metro for easy hop to the ballpark, for anybody going on to the game.

a nice, central location. with beer.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I understand the locals are calling it "Verizon Center" these days. ahem.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Nate - Where is the Happy Hour?

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:24 PM

Nate proposed Fado. I'd like him to move it next door to RFD (Dave Alexander's new venture), but since Nate's doing all the organization, it's entirely up to him

Adam

Posted by: EaglesFanAdam | April 11, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Are they're any watering holes in the walking distance area of National's Park?

The last thing I remember they're were a bunch of Gay Clubs (not that there's anything wrong with that), Night Clubs, and Strip Clubs (straight ones).

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: My nads are bigger than your nads | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM

Posted by: oh yeah? Well I'm Casey Rabach! | April 11, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: My nads are bigger than your nads | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM

Posted by: oh yeah? Well I'm Casey Rabach! | April 11, 2008 3:34 PM

Posted by: Alright. My legs are longer than your legs. | April 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

(is this more or less insufferable than posting with a nickname? I'm shooting for "equally insufferable." how'm I doin'?)


Yes, the specific happy hour location will probably be one of the above. Keeping it there so one or more VIPs who work in that neighborhood can attend. It will be a short hop to the ballpark.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Miss Teen South Carolina= Dcsween, Redcoat, or the darkhorse candidate, Greg in boston

Posted by: My .02 | April 11, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: My nads are bigger than your nads | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM

Posted by: oh yeah? Well I'm Casey Rabach! | April 11, 2008 3:34 PM

Posted by: Alright. My legs are longer than your legs. | April 11, 2008 3:35 PM

Posted by: You had to go and bring up the fact that I'm a double amputee, didn't you!?! | April 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I narrowed down MTSC to Sween and/or 4-12

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like sams3 being as unfunny anonymous as he is regularly

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 3:18 PM

Don't be sad little guy, we all can't be a legend.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Miss Teen South Carolina = Not I.

I'm perfectly happy to attribute my inane remarks to myself.

S/He on the otherhand is often witty. Something I've never been accused of.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 11, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"KELLY WILL RUN FOR SCOUTS ON APRIL 16
Posted by Mike Florio on April 11, 2008, 3:23 p.m.

Well, I'm in the awkward position of having to contradict something that was posted by MDS while I was tending to other non-PFT business (I had Earl, 30 Rock, The Office, and Scrubs on DVR). But since MDS was merely repeating something that was posted elsewhere, I don't feel so bad about it.

Anyway, agent Chad Speck says that the report that receiver Malcolm Kelly will run the 40-yard dash in Atlanta on Sunday without scouts present is flat-out wrong. Instead, Speck says that Kelly will run again, for scouts, on April 16 in Oklahoma.

Kelly will run on the Astroturf surface on which he'd been preparing to run before this week's Pro Day workout, during which he ultimately ran on FieldTurf. Though Kelly presumably realizes that scouts will add time to his outcome on the faster surface, there's a chance that, even with added time, his final number will come out faster on the surface on which he feels more comfortable.

The fact that Kelly is running again at Oklahoma suggests that an effort has been made between the player and the program to mend fences. Even though it wasn't wise for Kelly to bad-mouth his school, it's also not good for Oklahoma to be perceived as unfriendly to the pro prospects of its recruits, or its recruits will end up going elsewhere.
"

Wow...Just Wow.......

Posted by: 4th via PFT so blame them not me for passing along info | April 11, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't be sad little guy, we all can't be a legend.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 3:40 PM

Well, except for that John guy who's always on the music channels these days.

Posted by: unregistered | April 11, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: My nads are bigger than your nads | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM

Posted by: oh yeah? Well I'm Casey Rabach! | April 11, 2008 3:34 PM

Casey, will you like to compare extremities with me? In a non, you know that in that way, sort of way. Not that there is anything wrong with that, of course. I mean since you're so sure and all. And Todd Wade was the one who put that out there, right? Compared to his raisins I'm sure you do.

Posted by: Since you have the nads, you wouldn't mind having a pissing contest then, hmm? | April 11, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Kelly runs the same time, or worse.

Posted by: Greg | April 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

...and that was a serious up above, everyone is welcome at this meet-up. Just ping me for details (see the thread linked to above).

I realize there is a perception among at least some people who read this blog that "The Regulars" comprise some kind of exclusive clique, but it's just not true. Not in my experience, anyway, and I'm as big a chooch as you're likely to meet. (I also have an embarrassingly low football IQ, like Jason Campbell.)

And it's certainly not true that this little meet-up is in any way "exclusive". Everybody is welcome. I cannot stress that enough. It's gratifying that among the attendees are newer voices up here, and some who comment very rarely, and some who never comment at all!

Just sayin' so we're clear...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Since you have the nads, you wouldn't mind having a pissing contest then, hmm? | April 11, 2008 3:42 PM

Sure.

Posted by: As I'm also John Holmes I'm sure I'll have a 'head' start | April 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The NotGuy= NatePDX, Chris Larry, DcSween, 4thFloor, or Lisa.

Posted by: My $2.00, because .02 is worthless | April 11, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The last thing I remember they're were a bunch of Gay Clubs (not that there's anything wrong with that), Night Clubs, and Strip Clubs (straight ones).

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:32 PM

And which one had you gone to visit, 4th?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Karen=Karen

Posted by: ya think? | April 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

not sure about the clubs you mention, 4th, but here is an incredible site about the redevelopment of that whole neighborhood, inner Southeast:

http://www.jdland.com/DC/index.cfm

tons of before and after pix of the neighborhood, building by building, as well as a lot of great stuff about the stadium itself.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Who cares whose who?

Posted by: I sure don't | April 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Great point, I sure don't!

Agree to disagree.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

The Deputy in the house.

Posted by: Stumped | April 11, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The last thing I remember they're were a bunch of Gay Clubs (not that there's anything wrong with that), Night Clubs, and Strip Clubs (straight ones).

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 3:32 PM

And which one had you gone to visit, 4th?

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 3:48 PM

Ha! Nations, Nexxus Gold Club, and the old Tracks on straight nights when Rare Essence use to play there.....

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm wating for the fans from the visting team playing at Nationals Park to make that turn into the Barry Farms projects or onto M St.

Lets just say when I see em' it won't matter who they're cheering for at the game.

Posted by: Your local stick up kid | April 11, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Karen=Karen

Posted by: ya think? | April 11, 2008 3:53 PM

Posted by: No I don't | April 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Tiger Woods doesn't win the Masters?

Posted by: Anxious in Augusta | April 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Tiger Woods doesn't win the Masters?

Then somebody else will.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Tiger Woods doesn't win the Masters?

Posted by: Anxious in Augusta | April 11, 2008 4:07 PM

I guess they wouldn't serve fried chicken and collard greens next year.

Posted by: Fuzzy Zoeller | April 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Fuzzy's racist SJK broke the blog....

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Friday afternoon and 80 degrees outside broke the blog

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else look at the roundup of mock drafts on redskins.com? Just about everyone has us taking Sweed or Campbell. Ugh, I really hope this is another instance where every draft guys is completely wrong...

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 11, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Really good article about Dennis Dixon's rehab and pro day - since we were talking about him yesterday and this is the Glance At the QB Position
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/the_bonus/04/11/dixon/index.html

Posted by: mile high | April 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Nothin' happenin' broke the blog.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Just about everyone has us taking Sweed or Campbell.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 11, 2008 4:42 PM

Hey it could be worse. No one has us taking Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm McDowell?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm in the Middle?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey it could be worse. No one has us taking Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 4:52 PM

Wrong again! Sporting News has us taking Kelly. The totals: 7 mocks for Limas Sweed, 5 for Campbell, and 8 for someone else.

Look, this will all be over in 16 days. Then begins the mad scramble for free agents. That's when the blog's at its best, conjuring assessments of nobodies.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm McDowell?
Malcolm in the Middle?

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 4:54 PM

Malcomtent Kelly, the prima donna from Oklahoma, the University where they tied his shoe laces together and slowed him down.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm powder?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

MH - nice article. I hope Vinny isn't one of those GM's unaware of this guy's rehab.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 11, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The mock drafts are always wrong.
Fear not.

Posted by: Stumped | April 11, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The guy runs a 4.49 40 too - just 3 1/2 months after the sugery! Sick. I would imagine Vinny was NOT at that workout and probably has disregarded those video updates.

Posted by: mile high | April 11, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I would imagine Vinny was NOT at that workout and probably has disregarded those video updates.

Posted by: mile high | April 11, 2008 5:15 PM

Why would you imagine this? Zorn is from out there. I'm sure he's kept up with the situation.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Gladwell

Posted by: ChRiS LaRry | April 11, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Millenium Malcolm

Posted by: cHRIS LARRy | April 11, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

But is he a Malcolmtent?

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

MalSkins:

Barnwell, Malcolm, WR, Virginia Union (1985)
Hamilton, Malcolm, LB, Baylor (1998-99)

http://www.thehogs.net/History/allTimeRoster.php

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

The article says there were only 10 scouts at his workout and very few GMs or personnel guys really paid attention to his site where he has provided updates on his injury. His website is pretty rad and the guy's workout is pretty amazing consider how soon after his acl it is.

Posted by: mile high | April 11, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the 4.4 40 time was pre-injury, but nevertheless it sounds like his rehab is going great.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 11, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

only 10 scouts at his workout

Posted by: mile high | April 11, 2008 5:26 PM

That's a third of the teams in the NFL. Sounds like a lot of interest to me for a guy who projects in the fifth round.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The guy would have contended for the Hesiman pre injury and would likely have been rated much higher but for his injury so that 5th round projection seems off to me. Fact is, he's smart, extremely athletic and at 6'4 205, is a good sized dude.

Posted by: mile high | April 11, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

actual football talk killed the blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Caps!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It's a RED OUT!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree = My way or the highway.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

God, please don't let them choke like dogs!

GO CAPS!

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree = What are you, some kind of Redskin Insider idiot?

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Or a nice way of dealing with somebody you're sure is wrong.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming the Post is paying you, like the rest of us, for these posts, right? I cleared $47,000 last year, working from home and at hours of my choosing.


Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 2:11 PM

I could be getting paid for this? Sending an e-mail to the post right now. My guess is that they will agree to disagree.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Then call me an idiot!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

agree to disagree:

I don't want to waste any more of my time trying to explain to you how stupid you are because you're too stupid to understand your own stupidity.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

We're 251 comments from 180,000.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

your an eee-deee-oat!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Curzon,

Suggest you send an e/m to Jasno. Let him know how many posts you've made and your rate per post. I'm sure he'll get back to you at halftime of the Caps game.

They might be able to wire you the money in your bank account on Monday. To simplify, just put your bank account number up here in your next post.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

go CAPS!!!!!!

F the Flyers
F philly
F hockey haters

Posted by: chris lArry | April 11, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

TE,
Should I add my SSN also just to be safe? Don't want to delay getting my money!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Truly Inspired --

NEW YORK - The new Yankee Stadium may be cursed!

A devilish Boston fan working on a concrete crew at the $1.3 billion stadium covertly buried a Red Sox T-shirt under what will become the visiting team's locker room to jinx the Yanks, two construction workers told The New York Post yesterday.

"In August, a Red Sox T-shirt was poured in a slab in the visitor's clubhouse. It's the curse of the Yankees," one worker said. "Nobody knows about it. It's in the floors, it's buried."

----
So can't we get an old Joe Jacoby jockstrap and bury under the 'boys locker room in that new hunk of junk jerry jones is building. And that word 'we' ... it means other people, I'm not touching it ...

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | April 11, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

As great as Dixon might be, we've got more pressing needs that need to be addressed in the 4th. Maybe a 5th rounder, if he's still around, but that's it.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 11, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

chIs LArrY needs a steak-n-cheese. extra mayo and hot peppers. with vanilla milkshake and onion rings

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Agree to disagree = Staying married for 23 years.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 11, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else still stuck at work? Testing, testing. Is this blog still on?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 11, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: My nads are bigger than your nads | April 11, 2008 3:23 PM

Posted by: oh yeah? Well I'm Casey Rabach! | April 11, 2008 3:34 PM

Posted by: Alright. My legs are longer than your legs. | April 11, 2008 3:35 PM

Posted by: You had to go and bring up the fact that I'm a double amputee, didn't you!?! | April 11, 2008 3:37 PM

Posted by: I'm not sick, but I'm not well | April 11, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I attribute all of the really funny anonymous stuff to 4-12.

Posted by: 5-11 | April 11, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I attribute all of the really funny anonymous stuff to 4-12.

Posted by: 5-11 | April 11, 2008 7:39 PM

What I think the % are -

Nate - 28.5%
4-12 - 28.5%
DcSween - 28.5%
Sams3 - 28.5%
Other Unknown RIers - 28.5%
4th - 0.0%

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

As great as Dixon might be, we've got more pressing needs that need to be addressed in the 4th. Maybe a 5th rounder, if he's still around, but that's it.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 11, 2008 7:05 PM

More pressing needs in the 4th? Like the fact that we don't have a 4th round pick? The pressing need will be trying to package a bunch of low-round picks to move up into the 4th round.

Posted by: Aesop | April 11, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

As for the Nats - the ballpark is beautiful, the team plays hard and should be good as soon as the pitchers get used to the fact they don't have those RFK outfields, but $333.00/$150.00 a game for a seat behind the plate and $17.00 for a dog and a beer? Come on..... what do they expect?

Posted by: jt515 | April 11, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

empty seats

Posted by: Stumped | April 11, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

As for the Nats - the ballpark is beautiful, the team plays hard and should be good as soon as the pitchers get used to the fact they don't have those RFK outfields, but $333.00/$150.00 a game for a seat behind the plate and $17.00 for a dog and a beer?

Posted by: jt515 | April 11, 2008 8:01 PM

Did any of these guys ever pitch in RFK? I thought they were all in the minors last year.

And the high price of the seats is just an excuse. Like the ugly girl with the kissing booth where kisses were $10. She said "I think the high price might be keeping customers away." I'm not sure you can even give away what the Nats are offering.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Pat Kirwan put up a good analysis of the QB prospects:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d807a65d5&template=with-video&confirm=true

He projects Chad Henne as a second rounder and Dennis Dixon as a 7th rounder, or undrafted. And he doesn't have anything nice to say about Brennan.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

What I think the % are -

Nate - 28.5%
4-12 - 28.5%
DcSween - 28.5%
Sams3 - 28.5%
Other Unknown RIers - 28.5%
4th - 0.0%

Posted by: 4th | April 11, 2008 7:52 PM

It can't be sams3 - that's obvious. Nate and Sween always issue denials just like you, 4th. But 4-12? There's never a peep from him. He's like a churchmouse whenever the subject comes up.

There are always certain others to consider, like MV and LH. But my money is on 4-12.

Posted by: 5-11 | April 11, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

wow that caps game was off the freakin hook!!!!!!!!!!! great game, great viewing....thats sports in april babee!

Posted by: chris larRy | April 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

No shti CL. Gutty, classy, no-quit performance. Nice that they didn't roll over after sleepwalking through that 2nd period. Alright!

Posted by: SMACK | April 11, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

way ta go, Caps!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 11, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I like this 5-11 guy. SO much more optimistic than that old wet blanket 4-12.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

it's so dead on this blog there aren't even crickets chirping.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

We'd be chirping if there was anything to be chirping about. Unfortunately, there isn't. It's two weeks before the draft and no one is revealing their draft plans for review, so there is no news.

With Gibbs gone, it seems that the bulk of the draft decisions have shifted to the front office (and away from the coaching staff). That may be good for secrecy, but it is bad for reporting and rumors. We never knew much in these last two weeks prior to the draft; now we know nothing at all, except for the little snippets that Cerrato offers up about once per week.

This new secrecy may also be the reason for the somewhat predictable mock drafts that are floating around. Vinny and Blache keep alluding to a need for a game-changing DT, but most of the mock drafts have us down for a DE or WR. In other words, no one really knows for sure except Cerrato, and he (wisely) isn't saying. It seems like whoever the 1st round pick is, plenty of people will be surprised. (The bigger surprise will be trading out of the #21 slot successfully, since the outlook for that happening is not promising at this point.)

So relax - the draft is only two weeks away and then it will be exciting again. At least for a week or so, anyway.

Posted by: The.Crickets | April 12, 2008 4:34 AM | Report abuse

Players we wouldn't mind seeing drafted by the Redskins:

1st Round: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

2nd Round: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

3rd Round: Antwaun Molden, CB, Eastern Kentucky

3rd Round (Compensatory): Nick Hayden, DT, Wisconsin

4th Round: Traded to Denver

5th Round: Donald Thomas, G, U.Conn

6th Round: Josh Johnson, QB, San Diego

7th Round: Demetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern State

7th (Compensatory): Dowayne Davis, SS, Syracuse

7th (Compensatory): Ken DeBauche, P, Wisconsin

Posted by: The.Crickets | April 12, 2008 5:08 AM | Report abuse

Other players we still like:

Devin Thomas, WR, Mich. St. (1st round)
Jeremy Zuttah, OG, Rutgers (3rd)
Oniel Cousins, OT, UTEP (3rd)
Kevin O'Connell, QB, San Diego State (5th)
Drew Miller, C/OG, Florida (5th)

Erin Henderson, OLB, Maryland (2nd)
Terrell Thomas, CB, USC (3rd)
Kendall Langford, DE/DT, Hampton (4th)
Durant Brooks, P, Georgia Tech (5th)

Posted by: The.Crickets | April 12, 2008 5:41 AM | Report abuse

Here's some Mock Draft nuttiness for you.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=35187

Posted by: The.Crickets | April 12, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The.Crickets | April 12, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Meet Dan Snyder's partner in Six Flags: Bill Gates, the second richest man in the world.

Today's Barrons magazine has a rundown of some of Gates' investments and it includes 11% of Six Flags stock (originally worth $36 million, now $21 million -- a 42% loss) as well as another $7.2 million in Six Flags bonds.

This $38 million would be a big investment for me, but it's peanuts for Bill Gates, of course. His largest single investment, Canadian National Railways is worth $1.6 billion and is up 420% since he first invested.

Six Flags stock is trading today for $1.57 a share, just above its all-time low of $1.46. Snyder was buying the stock at around $4 - $6 and after he took control it went as high as $12. So, when you're buying a beer from Snyder at FedEx, ask yourself whether you'd rather have the beer or five shares of Six Flags stock? (Bill Gates has chosen the stock).

Six Flags has been a loser long before Snyder became involved with it. When he took control, most of the value was in the land that it owned, and with the real estate market collapsing, so did the value of Six Flags. Right now the company is generating a stream of losses, with the revenue below costs, including the costs of servicing its debt, including Bill Gates' bonds. Not a pretty sight.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I think we need to draft more than one CB.

Posted by: sicwidit | April 12, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze

Sorry my friend but the owners can't get together and a set a wage for the players without consent of the union. That is called collusion. That would amount to all of the law firms in the country getting together and decieding on the "wage" for all first year associates. That would have an anticompetitive result on the economy, hence it is monopolistic and illegal.

Without union consent the draft is also illegal. Imagine being told that upon your graduation from highschool you have been drafted by McDonalds, in Alaska no less, and that you can't negotiate with Burger King, even though you grew up wanting to work for them. Furthermore, Burger King is precluded from hiring you because McDonalds owns your rights.

As far as the 9 billion in debt is concerned, don't cry to hard for these owners. The debt for the construction of stadiums is not like credit card debt, it is more or less a mortgage on a very real and appreciating asset.

I am not sure what the leagues operating revenue is but you have to look at the debt in realation to that. Granted, high debt can cause a strain on cashflow but that is about it because the NFL has limits own how much debt a team can have on its books.

With regard to the networks and the fact that they might make lowball offers to the NFL for next set of contracts, I am not so sure. I can imagine howerever that they are not going to just throw money at the NFL as they have in the past, but don't forget the NFL Network is waiting in the wings. At some point the NFL and Comcast are going come to a resolution and the NFL network is going to grow. At some point, and in some fashion, pay per view for a slate of games is probably on the way.

Just remember, 30 years ago there were no cable revenues at all. These billionaries WILL find a way to grow the bizz.

As far as the players getting 60% of revenue, I suppose that is the deal they got. The fact is most business actually have higher labor cost than 60% (maybe we can get a little help from an accountant on that).

Finally, you are right, there has to be cap of some kind. If not I wonder if the league might find a way to create a tiered league. Tier one might include the big revenue teams and tier two might be the small market teams. Through some jiggering of the schedules (i.e. tier one teams playing tier one teams for 70% of the time) there may be away to maintain fairness. Also, they could have a Superbowl rep from each of the tiers like they currently have one from the NFC and one from the AFC.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

R1,
The thing I wonder about in terms of some of your comments have to do with the stadium prices/debt. You say:

"As far as the 9 billion in debt is concerned, don't cry to hard for these owners. The debt for the construction of stadiums is not like credit card debt, it is more or less a mortgage on a very real and appreciating asset."

This gives an impression that a stadium increases in value over time, and I don't know how true that statement is for several reasons. Stadiums don't buy and sell like housing.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The fact is most business actually have higher labor cost than 60% (maybe we can get a little help from an accountant on that).

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 9:32 AM

Maybe an accountant would know better, but how about an economist? (That's someone who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.)

I thought sure this was wrong. 60% seems really high. So I looked up the National Income and Product Accounts for the US. In 2006, the Gross Domestic Product of the US was $11,004 billion. Of that, $6,289 billion was employee compensation. So, for the economy as a whole, 57% of our national output is accounted for by labor.

Now, this is very different from what firms' income and profit statements show. A retail establishment, say Wal-Mart, will have the bulk of its costs in the merchandise it buys. A service firm (which is essentially what the NFL is) like a hospital or a law office, will have the bulk of its costs in wages and salaries.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Alex35332

I not qualified to say if Stadiums lose value over time or not. I would not want to get into a debate over depreciation/appreciation of commercial real estate, particularly of a stadium. That would be beyond my expertise.

I do know, however, that Fed Ex Field is a very valuable asset that generates cash flow beyond the cost to service its debt. That is positive investment, if only for cash flow reasons. If the stadium appreciates in addition, then that is a really good investment.

I suspect that FED EX Field could be sold for more money than Snyder paid for it, all of the improvements he made notwithstanding. The land itself is certainly worth more than it was when the stadium was built.

Thanks for responding to my post.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Gumbel decides to leave NFL Network
National Football League


Bryant Gumbel has decided to give up his duties as the play-by-play voice for the NFL Network's eight-game package of NFL games, NFL Network announced Firday. Gumbel served as the play-by-play announcer for NFL Network's Thursday and Saturday Night Football games for the past two seasons.

"I thoroughly enjoyed the opportunity to call NFL Network games the past two years, which was a new experience for me," said Gumbel. "But we've agreed that we'd all be better served going in different directions. There are a lot of talented people at NFL Network. I thank them, I wish them well, and I have no doubt that they will be very successful going forward."

Gumbel, who has won multiple Emmy awards throughout his distinguished career, teamed with Cris Collinsworth the past two seasons on the NFL Network games. NFL Network will begin a search for a new play-by-play announcer to work alongside Collinsworth immediately.

"We appreciate everything Bryant did in helping us launch our NFL Network game telecasts," said NFL Network President and CEO Steve Bornstein. "Bryant helped create interest in our first foray into televising NFL regular-season games. He is one of the great broadcasters of our time and we are honored to have worked with him."

NFL Network airs seven days a week, 24 hours a day on a year-round basis and is the first television network fully dedicated to the NFL and the sport of football. For more information, log onto www.nfl.com/nflnetwork. NFL.com is the exclusive internet home of NFL Network.

Posted by: Resign or get canned | April 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Alex,

Over time the value of a stadium depends a lot on the value of the land it sits on. A while back, it was asserted that if the District would provide land for Snyder, he could sell FedEx (for the land it's sitting on) and build the new stadium just from the appreciation of the FedEx land.

May not be true, today, with real estate down. But the thing to look at in stadiums is where are the located and who owns the land. The stadium, by itself, has little intrinsic value unless it has a contract for a team to play in it, so the value lies in the contract.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator

Thanks for the response. I think I am showing my economic bias. I have been making my humble earnings in the service sector (i.e. law firms) for my entire career.

I believe that the old collective bargaining agreement was somewhere around the 57% you mentioned, but it did not include total revenues, just TV money and the gate I believe.

So the % increase and the inclusion of the luxury box cash is why the player's share of the pie has grown so dramatically with the new agreement.

Somewhat out there might have more precise info.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I have been making my humble earnings in the service sector (i.e. law firms) for my entire career.

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 10:32 AM

Hope this doesn't mean you're going to sue me if I'm wrong, because I'm an economist. I can't remember the last time I was right.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator

Few of us have to be right in our jobs. Just so long as we follow Standard Operating Procedure you are safe from negligence, legally anyway.

Look at these Wall Street clowns who are usually wrong, especially the blowhard pundits on the cable shows, but continue to make obscene amounts of money anyway.

Even when they get kicked in the sack by the "moral hazard" of the market, they go from making hundreds of millions to just tens of millions.

Then the Congress/Fed etc come running along to save them because "they are too big fail."

It must be nice.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on Redskins Insider is like being told how worthless you are by an economist.

Posted by: MV Dame | April 12, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

MV Dame,

Love it. I just pasted it into the Wiki. I don't think it will win though, because it's probably only funny to economists and unfortunate people who know them.

NateinthePDX will be the ultimate judge, but I think that winning is only an honorary thing -- Nate's probably not buying a drink for the winner.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The revenue generated by a stadium includes not only ticket sales and rent charges to all the services within it (redskins apparel/goodies shops, food, etc.), but also rent from the other people who use the stadium (concerts and other shows).

As far as the three trillion comment - I exaggerate "slightly." Like I stated before, my problem with most of them is that they were obvious. If we are going to joke about something and beat it into the ground, let's have it be original/entertaining. I only brought up my area of expertise simply to prove that I wasn't an impostor/made up character.

An easy way to fix the salary problem is to have a mandatory base salary and bonuses for good play/health/etc. Also, have the IR salary be equivalent to say 75% of the salary the year before. The mandatory base salary can vary depending on years in the league and position. The bonuses can vary for each contract as far as the requirements for them and how much each one is worth. The differences in this area will allow competition around the league for the players since they can earn different amounts for different teams if they do the same thing. This system would also account for the high salaries of players that don't contribute on the field in games to the team, including players with rookie contracts.

If we draft Kelley for anything more than a minimum contract with appropriate bonuses I'll crawl into a hole and nearly die as a redskins fan. He's a darn crybaby, and therefore someone we don't need on our team. The article about him working out not in front of scouts is hilarious and appropriate for him even though it was false.

On another note, I got done one of my papers and now will go home to study for my exam on Monday. Be back tomorrow.

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

is it possible that Karen is more shrill than Lisa??

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Mixed reviews lead to uncertain times for Campbell by Alex Marvez

The television inside Calais Campbell's cramped college townhouse caught his eye. The mock draft scrolling on the ticker had the hulking University of Miami defensive end ticketed for Minnesota with the No. 17 overall selection. "That's fine with me," a smiling Campbell recently told FOXSports.com. "I know they need d-line help."

Standing tall ...At 6-foot-8, the University of Miami's Calais Campbell is set to become the NFL's tallest active defensive lineman. Campbell, though, isn't the league's tallest player. That distinction is held by four 6-foot-9 offensive linemen led by Baltimore's Jon Ogden. The late Richard Sligh, who played eight games for Oakland in 1967, is the tallest player in NFL history at 7 feet. Other retired players noted for their height include Kansas City tight end Morris Stroud (6-foot-10), Dallas end Ed "Too Tall" Jones (6-foot-9) and late end Ernie "The Cat" Ladd (6-foot-9).

But not every projection is so lofty. Some have Campbell being chosen at No. 21 by Washington, a club with defensive line needs that recently hired his former college position coach. Others predict Campbell will slip into the second round after pre-draft workouts that were as disappointing as his junior campaign.

Those divergent opinions have left Campbell not knowing what to expect April 26 on the draft's first day.

"At the beginning of last season, I was a top-five pick for sure," Campbell said. "At the end, I was going like No. 15-16. After the [NFL Scouting] Combine, I'm in the 20s and some people have me out of the first round.

"People really don't understand. I'm the same player I was the year before. They can't see that. All they do is see the statistics."

Expectations surrounding Campbell entering last season were as big as his 6-foot-8, 282-pound frame. He was a menacing sophomore, notching 20.5 tackles for losses and 10.5 sacks. Such production combined with his size drew favorable comparisons between Campbell and Julius Peppers, who also was an Atlantic Coast Conference standout while playing for North Carolina.

The 6-foot-7 Peppers was drafted No. 2 overall in 2002 by the Carolina Panthers and subsequently emerged as one of the NFL's top ends. Campbell would have garnered similar consideration for a high draft spot last year had he turned pro. Instead, he remained in school to honor the wishes of his late father Charles, who raised a family of eight children where education was stressed as much as athletics.

"Everyone was like, 'Calais, you should come out. You'd be a top-10 pick. You had a great year,'" said Campbell, a sociology major. "But I didn't have my degree yet, so there was no question in my mind I was coming back."

There are now more questions than answers surrounding Campbell following his junior campaign and its aftermath. Campbell's productivity plummeted in 2007, especially down the stretch. Only 1½ of Campbell's six sacks came in UM's final seven games.

Concerns about Campbell's speed and strength followed after the season. Campbell couldn't break 4.9 seconds in 40-yard dash attempts at the combine and his pro day workout. He also could only muster 16 bench-press repetitions of 225 pounds, although that exercise is traditionally more difficult for players with longer arms like Campbell.

Campbell said he has no problem with those marks because, unlike some other high-profile prospects, his training wasn't specifically geared for pre-draft workouts. Campbell attributes his on-field decline in 2007 to regular double-teaming and missed opportunities.

"I didn't play as well as I wanted," he said. "I missed a lot of tackles I probably should have made. I was out of position a couple of times and my technique wasn't great. But if you look at the film, I still look like a good player."

A change in position coaches also had a negative affect. Campbell said he was being taught how to make better pre-snap reads on offensive formations and blocking schemes but became overloaded trying to process the information.

"I felt like I was concentrating too much on that and not really working on my technique as much," he said. "The stuff I did wrong was easily fixable. As long as I get a good coach in the NFL, I really feel like I'll be a great player."

That coach could be Washington's John Palermo. In 2006 at UM, he pressed the right buttons to help motivate a player who admittedly needed a push.
Calais Campbell may have gone higher if he left last season. (Jamie Squire / Getty Images)

A Denver native, Campbell was a 220-pound freshman tight end who admittedly "partied a bit too much and all that good stuff" upon his arrival in South Florida.

"I got after him pretty good when I got there," a laughing Palermo said. "I don't think there's any question he can have success.

"The important thing is that Calais go to the right team and have someone develop and coach him. They're going to get a quality individual who is going to continue trying hard to be the best."

One NFL executive told FOXSports.com that he projects Campbell as a 4-3 end who can switch inside to defensive tackle in pass-rush situations. Campbell also would be a threat to block field goals on special teams.

"His pad level and use of hands is all good and he's got good strength at the point of attack," the executive said. "His physical upside is a strength. If he's willing to work at it, he can get a heck of a lot stronger.

"There are always at least 12 defensive linemen taken in the first two rounds. He's certainly in that group."

Once drafted, Campbell will become the NFL's tallest defensive lineman. He also will have the chance to show why UM teammates called him "The Big Show."

"I definitely play on the Internet a little bit and read all the stuff being said about me," Campbell said. "It's motivation. My goal is to be the best d-end that ever played, not be the d-end that gets drafted highest."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

is it possible that Karen is more shrill than Lisa??

Posted by: | April 12, 2008 2:50 PM

They're both full of themselves: they take themselves very seriously and lack a sense of humor. Karen can write forever when she has time. Lisa's a woman of few words, most of them definitive, at least in her mind. And, they both add a lot to the overall jibba-jabba.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Campbell doesn't make himself sound very appealing, does he? Partied too much, needs the right coach in the NFL, "became overloaded trying to process the information," his training "wasn't specifically geared toward the workouts."

He sounds pretty risky -- either a top ten player who's slipped or a draft bust who had a great sophomore year.

Coach Palermo knows him well and might have enough insight. If the 'Skins take him in the first round, I guess I'd feel good about the pick.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

CVS was out of midol. I am so pissed right now.

Posted by: Nate with the PMS | April 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

TE, that last comment sounds like you are trying to convince yourself (like me) that he will be an OK pick because you feel (again, like me) that that is who the Skins will pick.

Maybe all of this negativity he is seeing will help him to work hard and be the DE he thinks he can be.

I think that this year Montgomery will really shine now that he has decided that hard work pays off. I am hoping the same is true for CC.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

sure is a lot of hot air being blown around here.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

T_E, R1,

Sorry for a delayed reply, had to go with the GF to Target.

I was looking at the stadium value more from a sales profit, if a team were to sell the property. The only thing of value is the land (not like some other team will buy a stadium from you) to use it for that purpose, and converting most stadiums to any other purpose would be near impossible. As the markets becoming more "iffy" I imagine that the value of the land FedEx field sits on has dropped in the past few months, and depending on what factors you may believe are causing property values to drop, I could see FedEx field continue to plummet.

So no more Gumbel doing the NFL games eh. Does that mean I can finally turn off the Mute?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe all of this negativity he is seeing will help him to work hard and be the DE he thinks he can be.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 12, 2008 4:23 PM

I don't see it this way. I don't think he's a self-starter. He sounds like he really need a coach who knows how to get the most out of him and that Palermo might be the one.

I think he's high-risk, and I'd feel better if we traded down and picked him up later in the first round. But I think we have "inside information" about him because of Palermo's connection. On the other hand, Palermo might be trying to get some other team to take him by building him up in those quotes, right before the draft.

I don't know. It's all to hard for me. But unlike a lot of others, I have confidence in the front office.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

geek seems to be the common thread around here

Posted by: JBL | April 12, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

The Draft can be such a crap shoot, truth is you don't know how an NCAA player will work out, its a different game, size, speed, rules, practice time, length of schedule, all different. You could grab a kid in the 3-5th rounds and they could end up a pro-bowler and a 1st rounder could end up a bust or worse.

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Talent Evaluator

I too am nervous about Calais Campbell.

Yes, he may be able to sack the QB without even leaving the line of scrimmage due to his long arms, but for some reason I can't see how he is going to get leverage being so tall and obviously not too strong in the upper body.

If he had demonstrated more speed it wouldn't be so bad, but he just has not done that.

Also, I agree, his comments sound like mush, not like the monster beast you want to see going after it on Defensive line. How is he going to react when Greg Blache tears into him the first time?

As you point out, fortunately, our new D-Line coach can give us the inside info. But, let's not make the coaches our scouts. We had way too much of that during the 2006 off season when G. Williams thought his scheme was just plug and Gibbs bought into it.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

TE, I'm with you on the FO. There will be plenty of time to bash this FO if they fail. This is Vinny's chance and I think that he will do his homework and do a good job.

I would like to see us trade down and get an early 2nd and 3rd if possible because by pick 21 the value will not be there IMO.

Off to shop with the Mrs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Who knows what will be there at 21. Don't make any trades till your on the clock. If we can trade back to a late 1st round late 2nd and a 2nd day pick that would be more to my liking. I am looking at NY for example as a partner.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I know there is some point system to tell "fair" trade of draft picks. Anyone know what that is?

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

Here's one of the charts. There are more than one out there.

http://www.sportznutz.com/nfl/draft/draft_point_value_chart.htm

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TE

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Eww looking at that chart not many trade down options in terms of fair value.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Comment 663 on this page.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Comment 665 on this page.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay never got 664 somehow

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

That's why you wait to trade when you're on the clock. If there's someone there that two other teams want, the chart goes out the window. For example if someone wants to jump in front of Jerry Jones to get the running back from Arkansas, then you call Jerry Jones up and say "I've got an offer. What will you give me for my pick?" E.g. But, it can't be your draft strategy to wait for opportunities like this.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Fitting that Jerry Jones got mentioned in comment 666

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 12, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Alex,

It's the off season. During the regular season we reserve comment 666 for Daniel Snyder and Vinnie Cerrato.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

666 is mine.

Posted by: MV Dame | April 12, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Given the CB situation, should the Skins pursue a veteran free agent (short-term solution) or draft a rookie free agent (long-term project)?

Posted by: SCSkins | April 12, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Snedeker Leads, but Tiger Is Charging"

That's the current lead on the home page at WashingtonPost.com, right next to a story about some guy name The Pope.

Immelman leads by two guys!

Posted by: SMACK | April 12, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

***Spring Shabingus reminder***

Manchester United v. Arsenal
Sunday, April 13, 10:30 - 11:00

Summers Restaurant, Arlington VA
Orange Line, Courthouse Metro
www.summers-restaurant.com

All are welcome, but Arsenal fans in particular are encouraged to join. Come on out, I'm buying everyone's food and drinks!

For planning purposes, the game will end around 1 pm, but we will probably all stick around and chat until 1:03.


Posted by: Not Redcoat | April 12, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

That's the current lead on the home page at WashingtonPost.com, right next to a story about some guy name The Pope.

Posted by: SMACK | April 12, 2008 8:17 PM

Leonard Pope, starting tight end for the Cardinals. Can't believe we're trading a pick for him. I guess we could use a vet to backup Cooley, but I hope we don't overpay for this guy. Seems weird to me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering if I would have noticed if the other headline said The Dude Views America as Essential Battleground.

Posted by: SMACK | April 12, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

That's the current lead on the home page at WashingtonPost.com, right next to a story about some guy name The Pope.

Posted by: SMACK | April 12, 2008 8:17 PM

Leonard Pope? Tight end for Cardinals? Do you think the 'Skins are trading for him? Doesn't seem like a big need to me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

He's a character guy. He'll be an inspirational locker room presence, and have you seen those red kicks? I like the trade, a 2nd-rounder for this guy. Randle El will save a lot of energy pointing to the sky when he can just point to ol' Popey on the bench.

Posted by: SMACK | April 12, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

A second rounder for a guy on the bench? He better be on the field for every offensive play. But, I still think he's a better fit for the Cardinals.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 12, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Well, in addition to those 3rd and shorts, The Pope plays deep on all opponents' Hail Mary attempts.

Into the George Burns-era material now.

Posted by: SMACK | April 12, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Move along.... nothin' to see here...

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 12, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | April 12, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

hey, fellas, is it really this quiet up here?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora

Redskins beat writer stirs up wrath of Nats Nation by blogging about poor attendance at new yard. Next up: Svrulga blogs about Redskins' recent draft history.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Being called an idiot on RI is like being JLaC in charge of RI.

Posted by: curzon417 | April 13, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

hey, why dont you fruit cakes trying getting laid instead of waisting your life on this blog?

Posted by: Ron J | April 13, 2008 3:02 AM | Report abuse

hey, why dont you fruit cakes trying getting laid instead of waisting your life on this blog?

Posted by: Ron J | April 13, 2008 3:02 AM

Trying to get laid? Now that was a real waste of time.

Anyway, up here when all else fails we can at least F Chris LArRy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Hey Ron J (aka Fruit Cake) - since you weren't getting laid at 3 AM, why not work on your spelling skills instead? The world would be a better place for it.

Posted by: citron | April 13, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

How to make a better world:

1. End global warming.
2. Eliminate poverty.
3. End war.
4. Prevent cancer, Alzheimer's.
5. Ron J Fruit Cake improves spelling skills.
6. I get laid.

Can't we all get along?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Ron J, what do you mean try? If you have to try thats your problem dude. Must us up in here don't have to do no effort trying.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 13, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

D'oh typo. Don't I look like the mild retard.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 13, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

D'oh typo. Don't I look like the mild retard.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 13, 2008 7:52 AM

You probably got too much last night. If you'd been blogging like Ron J Fruit Cake you wouldn't have any misspellings.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 13, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

has anyone seen my rag?

Posted by: Nate with the PMS | April 8, 2008 9:37 PM

This was the funniest post from yesterday, and I know humor.

Posted by: Dane Cook | April 9, 2008 6:45 AM

Posted by: unregistered | April 13, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

So, you can only post on this blog if:

9)you don't have to TRY to get laid, or
g)you CAN get laid, or
#)your "waisting" your life.

Sheesh, well, I am off to try something with someone who has a waist, er, uh, waste.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 13, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Kelly is getting very nervous about his pedestrian* time in the 40 at this Pro Day ... Malcolm Magnesia.

* I think this means he was walking.

Posted by: dcsween | April 13, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

From GBN:

Health concerns knock top DE... Auburn DE Quentin Groves, a late-first round prospect for the 2008 draft, has reportedly sent a letter to all NFL teams indicating that underwent heart surgery on late last month. Groves suffers a syndrome called Wolff-Parkinson-White, an abnormality in the heart's electrical system that can cause rapid heart beats. According to Groves' letter the condition has been identified and the problem alleviated. Needless to say, team's are re-evaluating Groves' draft grade in light of this new information, however, at least for now many haven't dropped him from their draft board's entirely. In fact, Groves was in Pittsburgh and Cincinnati earlier this week for pre-draft visits and is scheduled to be in New York for visits with both the Giants and Jets next week. Groves also has visits planned with New England and San Francisco next week.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 13, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

did someone eat a rancid omelette for breakfast. this blog stinks

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

did someone eat a rancid omelette for breakfast. this blog stinks

Posted by: | April 13, 2008 12:17 PM

The blog is dead, dude. What do you think death smells like? Lilacs in spring? Gardenias in summer?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

++++Just a little bit of time could mean a whole lot of draft money,'' bemoaned Kelly, thereby revealing his first priority. "This is my life. You know what I'm saying? This ain't no school. This ain't no classroom. This ain't got nothing to do with that. This has to do with me, my family. This is what I do. I play football. And I'm supposed to come out here and run as fast as I can.''

You can bet plenty of teams heard Kelly's message loud and clear. Especially the part about the money, and the me.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 11, 2008 1:53 PM+++


Yeah, "ME" guys never make it in the NFL as WRs.

Sincerely,

T.O., Ocho Cinco, and Randy Moss.

Yeah, well how many SB trophies do you guys have?

Sincerely,

Schizo Guy

Good one. But Talent Evaluator would have said that as his comeback.

Sincerely,

Corkczar

That's why I said it first. No I didn't. Yes I did.

sincerely,

Schizo Guy

I am not a crook. I'm still dead, but not a crook.

sincerely,

Richard Nixon


Posted by: corkczar | April 13, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

corkczar,

You left out the biggest me guy receiver of all: Brandon Lloyd -- not a crook, but dead.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

++++Says here anyone and everyone is welcome to attend. And that's a true fact.

Posted by: | April 11, 2008 3:06 PM+++


"True fact" is redundant everywhere except on Fox.

Also something is either unique or it isn't. It isn't "very unique" or "really unique" or "uniquely unique."

If you don't believe me, ask E.B,.White. Oh wait, he's dead. You'll have to trust me on that.

Sincerely,

Corkczar

I trust you. No, wait I don't.

Sincerely,

Schizo Guy

Posted by: corkczar | April 13, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

++++Maybe all of this negativity (Cialis Campbell) is seeing will help him to work hard and be the DE he thinks he can be.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 12, 2008 4:23 PM +++++


PREDICTION: If he's there, the redskins will pick CC. Why? He's Vinny's built in excuse. "Hey, I didn't want him, it was Palmero who said he was good."

Vinny is a survivor. If the kid works out, VC will take the credit. If not, "it not my fault."

You can take it to the bank.

sincerely,

Corkczar

Bank? What bank? I don't see a bank.

Sincerely,

Schizo Guy

Posted by: Corkczar, overcaffeinated | April 13, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the players I am intrigued with are a reach at 21 but may not last til round 2 when the Skins pick. Jordy Nelson is one, of course. And he might rise as Malcolm Kelly potentially falls below Nelson.

I'm also intrigued with Brandon Flowers, CB at VT. The films they showed on NFL Network sure make him look like a player. Great tackler, great "ball skills". Just may not have the speed you'd want in a starting corner. And you'd hate to use a #1 on a nickel corner slash possible starting strong safety who'd have to beat out an up and coming Reed Doubty. And we have seen how the Skins of late have put a premium on speed in the backfield; a sound philosophy. Still, he's a player, would be great on STs most likely, etc and so on.

But every year there are surprises in who falls to the latter half of the first round. Only all the teams seem to have woken up to the reality that OLmen and DLmen are most important to a football team, and these are where the Skins have needs. And in a draft where no WR is worthy of possibly even a low #1, and few teams like to ever take a RB #1, nobody is going to take players the Skins don't want. They're all taking players the Skins might well take if they were left. Hopefully, if the Skins end up with Merling or Balmer its because Vinnie and the scouts did their homework and know something we don't.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 13, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman,

I think that we will lose out on the top OL players and DL players with the exception of CCampbell. The one player I hope we are able to get is Jordy Nelson. I will really be disappointed if we miss out on him.

Plenty of OL players in the later rounds that Bugel can coach up and other players (DB, DE, DT) to fill our needs, but JN is who I want and feel strongly that the Skins should get.

Not that my opinion matters to the FO, but it is my $0.02

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 13, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I am not well. I am not a happy person. I have profound emotional issues which are difficult to express, and consequently I'm fixated on a guy who posts comments on a blog. I really need some help.

Posted by: The guy who hates "Nate in the PDX" | April 13, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

What a sad sack team the Caps were today. They got pounded by Philadelphia the whole game. How about it, ChRIs LArrY? Ready to talk football? Caps are done.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Brunell started for the Caps today. They scored 0.

Posted by: Red Black Yellow | April 13, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

From Hog Heaven:

Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt

Joe Bugel reportedly loves Williams as a prospect. He's going to be off the board in the first round, but it looks like he could be around when the Redskins choose at 21.

I have mixed feelings about Williams, but in my opinion, this selection makes more sense in the first round than Kentwan Balmer does, simply because the Skins would then address DT in the second round and wait another year to draft a DE (or grab one in the later rounds).

Branden Albert is widely regarded as the better prospect, but if you think about this one, there's a good chance Williams might end up being the better pro. For starters, Albert is leaving Virginia with one year of eligibility remaining. Williams, however, looked even better than Albert this season, his true senior season. Scott Wright refers to Williams as an outstanding athlete, and he could absolutely compete with Pete Kendall for the LG position as a rookie, but would slide over to LT once Chris Samuels calls it a career. Let us not forget that another underrated tackle from a SEC school, Marcus McNeil of Auburn, stormed onto the NFL scene as a rookie just two years ago.

Overall, Chris Williams makes sense for the Redskins. I don't like him more than Albert, but I do think there are a handful of reasons to think he might be better than Albert.

In order, this is my current first round wishlist for the Redskins:

1. Branden Albert, OG, Virginia
2. Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
3. Chris Williams, OT/OG, Vanderbilt
4. Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina

Hopefully one of these players can be snagged by the Redskins at No. 21. If the top three guys on that list are not available, the team would be best suited to trade down a few picks.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 13, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman,

I think that we will lose out on the top OL players and DL players with the exception of CCampbell. The one player I hope we are able to get is Jordy Nelson. I will really be disappointed if we miss out on him.

Plenty of OL players in the later rounds that Bugel can coach up and other players (DB, DE, DT) to fill our needs, but JN is who I want and feel strongly that the Skins should get.

Not that my opinion matters to the FO, but it is my $0.02

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 13, 2008 3:20 PM

If we knew there were other teams looking closely at Jordy, maybe the thing to do is take him round 1, take a DT round 2 (Dre Moore or Trevor Laws, most likely) and OG round 3. Shoening maybe.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 13, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

NFL.com comment on Chris Williams.

Compares To: D'BRICKASHAW FERGUSON-New York Jets...Like Ferguson, Williams relies on finesse moves and his long reach over power. Both need to improve their overall strength and add bulk to handle the demanding task of playing left tackle. Williams might be a better fit at guard early in his career, so as not to expose him against speedy edge rushers. He can mirror the quicker defender in the short area, but he is marginal taking on second-level defenders and needs to improve taking proper angles when working in space. He has the frame to get bigger, but needs to play with more tenacity. He is a smart student, but will miss a few assignments due to mental lapses. With just adequate hip snap, he would be a liability starting at left tackle as a rookie, but he has the makeup, size and desire to improve.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 13, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Can I ask all those of you who suddenly get a beef with one or another blogger, what is it that makes you want to target that partaker bloger? I mean being anti-Poolman I can get as he was a newbie who just went broken record day 1. but going anti Nate, T_E or whatever in a childish fassion. I mean disagreements are all good but the petty bickering is just annoying to everyone.

Posted by: Alex35332 | April 13, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman

Taking Jordy Nelson with the 21st pick is maddness. That would be a huge reach for the skins. I like him in the second round though which would seem like a value pick. If only one WR is picked in the 1st round, Jordy might slide to the top of the 3rd round in which case I would hope the skins would move up and grab him because he would be a bargain then.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 13, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

By Russ Lande


There has been great media buzz about the value of Ohio State defensive end/outside linebacker Vernon Gholston shooting up draft boards after his great individual workout, but when it comes to teams meeting and settling on their final rankings, he is not as high as many would expect.

The NFL teams focused primarily on game film evaluation have become disappointed with Gholston's inconsistent production in college. He doesn't show the necessary first-step explosiveness to consistently come hard on the edge pass rush, shows little variety with his moves and has clearly shown up as neither competing nor playing his hardest on every snap.

So while Gholston's stock is tapering off a bit, another pass-rushing defensive end, Clemson's Phillip Merling, is benefiting by teams closely studying film, on which Merling shows up as a more complete player.

Merling also is short on first-step explosiveness to get around the corner, but unlike Gholston, he has an expansive repertoire of pass-rush moves, which he combines well with his hands, strength and leverage to consistently beat offensive tackles and pressure quarterbacks. In addition, there is no question that Merling plays with real passion and intensity on every snap.

It's still likely that Gholston gets drafted ahead of Merling in the first round, it's no longer a sure thing. When the discussion gets to Gholston, it has brought up memories of Mike Mamula -- as a workout star who has been greatly overvalued as a football player.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 13, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Going to post once today, then I gotta get to work (studying mainly), and I'll prolly be back at some point tomorrow, but not for an extended period of time (God willing). I agree that taking a WR in the first round would be madness. There are better players at other positions which we need more and first round WR's generally sit on a stink bomb instead of performing up to expectations.

Williams sounds good, but can having mental lapses be fixed? I'd rather have a technique flaw instead of a mental flaw in my kid; I would figure that to be more fixable compared to a mental problem. JMO though.

Posted by: Karen | April 13, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman

Taking Jordy Nelson with the 21st pick is maddness. That would be a huge reach for the skins. I like him in the second round though which would seem like a value pick. If only one WR is picked in the 1st round, Jordy might slide to the top of the 3rd round in which case I would hope the skins would move up and grab him because he would be a bargain then.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 13, 2008 6:30 PM

My point really is that if someone doesn't unexpectedly fall to the Skins, almost anybody they'd take seems to be a reach. It's like after the first 17 picks or so there is a falloff in talent. But most years you can rely on some teams making boneheaded picks.

Here's a case in point. Is this kid Balmer better than Trevor Laws? Balmer would be considered a reasonable pick at 21, but Laws a reach.

When it comes to Jordy, I'm convinced he's the safest pick from among the wideouts. Some might have the potential to be better, but they all seem to me to also have the potential to be washouts.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 13, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Now that is something we can all agree on!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | April 13, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Now that is something we can all agree on!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | April 13, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

so....are we shooting for 1k? on a post about nothing?

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 13, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

come on, we can do it!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | April 13, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute... this will set up an unreasonable performance standard for tomorrow's discussion of the Punter competition.
I mean, Frost vs. Ham Sandwich is not gonna make a thousand.

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 13, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

FOR THE BEST NFL NEWS AND RUMORS GO TO http://www.therumorguy.com

IT'S HANDS DOWN THE BEST NFL RUMORS SITE!

Posted by: NFL Guy | April 13, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Because of all the caps?

And what does "hands down" really mean?

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 13, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

And what does "hands down" really mean?

Posted by: cload & daggar | April 13, 2008 10:40 PM

I don't know but it's definately a concept that Jermey Green doesn't understand.

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3316066&categoryId=3305091&n8pe6c=2

Also NFL Guy, that site stinks. Basically whoever post there is covering the storeis posted on NFL Total Access.

Posted by: AFL Guy | April 13, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I have one thing to say about Gholston: what the f@#k is he on? He said that he had 14 sacks last year and that he'll have more this year. Really? Moving from the Big 10 in college to the pro ranks and he thinks he's going to get more sacks in his rookie year? Maybe, but I don't think so.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I have one thing to say about Gholston: what the f@#k is he on? He said that he had 14 sacks last year and that he'll have more this year. Really? Moving from the Big 10 in college to the pro ranks and he thinks he's going to get more sacks in his rookie year? Maybe, but I don't think so.

Posted by: Barry McCockiner | April 13, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/win-hands-down.html

here you go, cload.

HANDS DOWNED.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Brian Eno: Another Green World

Tremendous album.

I'll keep it short because there's so much other important stuff to keep up on. A mini-shabingus was had by few earlier today, with beers, a soccer game, and some laughs being shared amongst myself, Redcoat, and Adam. While that short list does not include an actual Redskin fan specifically, who should walk in to give us the very legitimacy we were craving but The Cindy! Therefore, an actual RI meetup was had.

Dorf, and T-E, you blew it. Often when I post here, I'm kidding around. The Cindy is EVEN cuter and funnier in person than she is on the internets. No kidding.

And this is one of those posts I often delete, but wtf, this blog stinks anyway right anonymous flamer?

Posted by: SMACK | April 13, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought you were going to keep it short?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

"What use is it that knowledge mounts? It's knowing something good that counts."

Friedrich von Logau

Posted by: msn | April 14, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

First of all, sorry for the long post. This would have been nice to see a few threads ago.

http://www.hogshaven.com/story/2008/4/13/1369/54526

Hogs Haven solicits emails for now on
By Skin Patrol
Posted on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 01:06:09 PM EDT

[editor's note, by Skin Patrol] Last week I wrote a post about Redskins cap guru Eric Schaffer being swooned over by the Saints (we retained him). I received more than one email about that post -- I don't think that's ever happened before -- suggesting that Eric Schaffer was a good bit better at his job than I was giving him credit for. I was trying, unsuccessfully, to suggest that indeed he was better than the team's financial reputation and the fact that the Saints sough him (action is greater than) spoke more highly of him than anything the likes of me or others have written about the team's financial situation (mere words).

More importantly, though, is that I keep pounding this podium called Hogs Haven swearing the same tired cap rubric about how restructures are wrong, dead cap hits are wrong, etc. etc. when in fact there are more than a few ways to skin a salary cap and I certainly don't have a monopoly on cap methodology. In fact I'm not a cap expert at all. I know very little about it. I received a very well put together email from "a reader in the midwest" who suggested a few reasons why prolonging salary cap payments can often times be a good idea. And the worst part about the email, which runs contrary to my entire personal cap philosophy, is that the writer was absolutely correct; salary caps increase over time and thus dollars spent in future caps are worth less than dollars spent in current caps. He makes the point far more elegantly than I can, so I'll defer now to him and hope you all enjoy. Thanks again to reader from the midwest, and reader(s) are all on notice that I love talking Redskins, love receiving emails, and encourage you guys to spam me at hogshaven@yahoo.com. Take it away "reader from the midwest":
-------------------------------
I saw the recent thing about the salary cap and Eric Schaffer and the Saints being interested in him.
As a salary cap nut and Redskins fan, I would call Schaffer the most valuable member of our front office. Cerrato and Snyder and their inner circle have their guys they get fixated on and the big numbers they want to throw at them, and then there are guys that make their way into the doghouse and need to be moved (Coles, Arrington, Archuletta, Lloyd) - Schaffer always finds a way to make the numbers work. Can't be an easy job, but he just makes it work. I don't believe he makes decisions to trade draft picks for guys like Trung Canidate or Mark Brunell (who more than likely would've hit the open market that June had they waited) or to give up a second rounder in the Portis-Bailey deal, or make the T.J. Duckett acquisition, nor is he the guy that decided Ryan Clark should be allowed to walk away without matching a reasonable deal... he's the numbers guy who puts things together to make it all possible. It's a blessing to have a guy like that (when we're able to keep Collins and Brunell on the roster last year, rather than having to cut one - and we have a good idea who Gibbs might've chosen if he had to pick just one in late August), but also a curse (because it allows mistakes to be swept under the rug and be "out of sight, out of mind", rather than forcing a painful learning experience that in the long-run may be a positive).

Ultimately, Schaffer would be dangerous on a team whose player evaluation process is more successful than the recent track record has been for the Redskins. Not sure the Saints are an example of that, but on the right team, a numbers guy like that could lead to big things.

The thing I find really interesting in the dead cap discussion is that the conventional wisdom holds that dead cap is absolutely a bad thing every time, but I don't believe that to necessarily be true. Washington's approach has been to take advantage of the time-value of cap money. A dollar on the cap today is a higher percentage of the cap than it will be next year and the year after, etc. Having a minimum base salary with the majority of money in the form of bonuses that are prorated across multiple years is a sound approach if you can afford the bonuses and are willing to take that kind of risk. You can structure deals (like Todd Collins' "six year" extension), to spread out the impact of a hit into future years when that money will represent a lower percentage of the cap. So the cap this year is around $118 million, whereas a few years ago it was in the ballpark of $80 million. The Redskins have really embraced that philosophy and maximized it to their benefit.

Beyond that, they reserve space in the future years, so that cutting a guy and accelerating the bonus makes it so that the cut doesn't take up more than keeping him. That's generally not true in the first 2-3 years of a contract (or renegotiation), but as you reach the later years, there are either non-guaranteed roster bonuses or workout bonuses, or a high base salary reserving space for either cutting him and accelerating his future prorated money or restructuring money into a guarantee that is prorated across more years, while reducing his base to minimum.

Example, Todd Wade's scheduled cap hit for 2008 is 3.046. If cut before June 1, his dead cap hit is 2.332, meaning that we open up 0.714 by cutting him. If designated a "post-June 1" cut, he'd count as 1.166 dead space in each of 2008 & 2009, but would be savings of 1.880 in 2008 and 2.050 in 2009 (scheduled 2009 salary cap number of 3.216). Clearly, I think it'd be a good idea to cut him after June 1 rather than devote 2 million more than we have to to our #4 OT, who has been proven unable to play guard. But because of Schaffer's work, structuring the deal properly, we have that option (and don't have to cut him before final cuts to realize those savings - if we make it through preseason with Samuels, Jansen, Heyer and Fabini all healthy and maybe another guy emerges, we can part ways with Wade - but if we have to before then to accomodate a costly trade, we can do that also).

The problem with their cap management is when they swing for the fences and miss big on an Archuletta or Lloyd. They structure the deal so that the player really has to be there three years to make it work, but then when they have to move him in one or two, they have to take a painful hit. But that's not the fault of the salary cap guy - it's the fault of the scouts and coaches and player personnel and Cerrato and Snyder for their miscalculation on the guy. Beyond that, what is so regrettable about the Lloyd situation was that 1) he was a restricted free agent, so we had to part with picks to acquire him via trade, 2) his former team wasn't too disappointed to part with him, so that should be a red flag (if the deal looks too good to be true, it probably is), 3) we could have kept him for a one-year tender before signing him to an extension, but instead we immediately gave him a long-term deal for big money.

Combine a couple big misses like that with a franchise that undervalues draft picks (trades them too willingly without getting adequate value in return) and does not build cheap depth in the middle and later rounds of the draft and it becomes a problem that gets in the way of long-term stability and consistent success - especially when playing in the most competitive division in the NFL.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Paucis verbis, quid est deconstructionismus?


What, in a nutshell, is deconstructionism?

Posted by: Julius Caesar | April 14, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

By the way, just in case the Washington Post is checking, Cindy didn't have any beer this morning...as far as I know, I couldn't watch her the whole time.

Posted by: SMACK | April 14, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Anybody know when the draft is?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Attention JLC: read that Hogs Haven piece about the salary cap - dollars counting on today's cap count less than future cap dollars given an annually expanding cap. So it makes sense to "backload" contracts. Booyah!

Posted by: **** | April 14, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Dead cap money is bad, any way you cut it. It doesn't matter whether it comes this year or next -- you're paying for players who aren't with the team.

What the article above says is that it's not the cap guy's fault, and that's correct. Except in cases of injury or death, the fault is in whoever chose and signed the guy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Hilarious... a Redskins Insider meet-up featuring zero Skins fans and one of the WashPo sports staffers (all of whom are known to hate the Skins), watching a soccer game. I can't think of a better way to celebrate everything the blog is.

Great work, SMACK, Redcoat, and Adam. And great work, Cindy, to handle spending time with those three characters without the assistance of booze.

And great work, Manchester United, with another win and another title seemingly in hand, augmenting their status as the world's most despised sporting team, and simultaneously most beloved. Sort of a super-sized version of the Dallas Cowboys. Ugh.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

Whats up hammies...happy Monday. Sox took 2/3 from the yanks, what more could one ask for.

As far as C. Campbell goes, I'm just not comfortable with this guy. I can't get excited about picking him at 21.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Greg, I am with you on the Sox 2 wins over public enemy #2 (girls being #1).

Maybe we will get lucky and the below is true. At any rate some NFL fodder for those of us who are junkies:

Top Five First Round Fallers
By Patrick Dorsey | April 13th, 2008
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Every year, there are fallers on draft day. For some of these players, its not very fair, as many factors come into play that they can't control, such as team's needs. However, as unfortunate as it may be, they still don't go as high as their talent warrants. Lets take a look at the current five five biggest possible first-round fallers, and who's stock is dropping:

1. Malcolm Kelley- WR Oklahoma
For a lot of this offseason, Kelley was considered to be the top receiver in the draft. But, he had a very bad pro-day at Oklahoma, showing teams that he doesn't have great speed. To top that off, he further hurt his already questionable character issues, blaming the staff for it and scheduling another workout, but not allowing scouts. I just can't see a guy who doesn't have good speed go in the first round. Sure, he has great hands and is strong, but most scouts now see him as a second rounder. Before, some thought he would go as high as number eleven to the Bills.

2. Matt Ryan- QB Boston College
About a month ago, some thought that Ryan was the best bet to go number one to the Dolphins. However, currently, he could drop down to number eight to Baltimore, and possibly even beyond that. He hasn't done anything wrong, but people are beginning to question if he's reliable enough to be a franchise quarterback. Miami appears to be done with him, and the Falcons really need help on that defensive line. The Jets will almost certainly go running back or to their front seven, and the Chiefs might not be done with Brodie Croyle. Ryan has all the tools except a strong arm, but right now, his stock is falling.

3. Phillip Merling- DE Clemson
A couple of weeks ago, some people thought that Merling could go as high as number nine to the Bengals. This is because he's an overall solid player, with good range, making him solid against the run, and some good moves off the line to rush the passer. However, injury concerns with a sports hernia have scared teams off, and made his stock drop. Both Derrick Harvey and Calais Campbell could go before him in the first round, and Merling could slide all the way down to pick twenty-one, much lower than he should be selected.

4. Fred Davis- TE USC
At a time, Davis was a possible late first rounder. Now, he'll certainly be going in the second round, possibly in the middle of it. This is because he didn't show teams enough athleticism at the combine and at his pro-day. They need to see this, because although he has exceptional hands and knows how to read defenses, Davis isn't strong enough to be a good blocker or that powerful, over-the-middle tight end.

5. Darren McFadden- RB Arkansas
I feel kind of odd calling a guy who'll most likely go no later than at number six to the Jets a faller, but McFadden is sliding considering his talent level and where he was once projected to go. In my opinion, he's the best talent in this draft, with great speed, toughness, and vision. However, teams in the top five just don't need running backs badly. He was once projected to go that high just because of his talent level, but over the course of the offseason, teams have realized that they have more important needs. Apparently, the Raiders like Vernon Gholston more, and McFadden could very well end up going to the Jets, out of the top five.


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Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Curz, I'd be ecstatic if he slid to 21. I don't see it happening, but snatch him up if it does. Thats got winner written all over it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

What has Cutlass Calais Campbell done this offseason to move ahead of Merling?

Posted by: etrod | April 14, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

E, I think that the fascination with Campbell is his height, and what he 'could' become. Just like you can't teach 'speed', you can't teach 'height'. Some team probably looks at him and thinks that with a year or two in the weight room, they could turn him into a monster off the edge. With his long arms he could use them to keep tackles off his body, I don't know. I wish he were faster and stronger, then I'd be all for it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Four days with no new post from the owner of the blog. He said the was working hard on the Capitals. Did anyone see his byline in the paper today? Why do they keep paying him? I've got to think that he's not going to be with the Post much longer, and if he is it won't be on the Redskins beat. Dude's burned out.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Heres an interesting take on the possibility of trading our 1st rounder for future picks:

http://redskinsblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/move-up-move-down-or-move-out.html

Saturday, April 12, 2008
Move up, move down. . .or move out?

There has been a lot of talk of the Washington Redskins trading down from their #21 slot in the upcoming NFL draft. In fact, Vinny Cerrato has publicly placed a "For Sale" sign on that pick.


Such a move could garner the team picks high in the second and third rounds. That would give the Skins five of the top 100 picks, a great setup for a team not necessarily looking for any immediate starters to come out of the draft but one that needs replacements to groom for aging and/or expensive starters.


According to Jason LaCanfora in the Post, there are some at Redskins Park who could see the Redskins trading up if offensive lineman Branden Albert of Virginia was available at around pick #15. Such a move would cost the Redskins their third-rounder this year (the original; they can't trade the compensatory pick they were awarded) and next. It's probably a moot point as it's likely that Albert will be gone by then, but it's still something to keep an eye on.


How about a third option? Suppose a team calls while the Redskins are on the clock and offers next year's first and some other, lower picks for Washington's pick at #21. Should the Redskins consider such an offer?


We have an example of what such a deal might look like in the Redskins' recent past. A few days before the 2005 draft they traded away their 2005 third-round pick and their 2006 first and fourth rounders for Denver's first '05 pick, #25 overall.


Suppose the Carolina Panthers take defensive Derrick Harvey with their pick and #13 and then decide to make a move for their quarterback of the future. They will need someone to take over when Jake Delhomme is done, something that is likely to be the case sooner rather than later. Brian Brohm of Louisville is there when the Redskins are on the clock at #21. Marty Hurney decides to make his move.


He offers next year's first and third and this year's third for Washington's first. Should Cerrato take it?


If this or something like it is offered, Vinny should take it and run.


The main reason it makes sense for the Redskins to delay gratification is that Jim Zorn is going into his first year as head coach. He doesn't really know who on the team can perform in his version of the West Coast offense and who is going to struggle to adapt.


And while Greg Blache will be running a defense similar to that of Gregg Williams, he will have his own wrinkles and it will take live game action for him to see how his personnel adjust.


Instead of expending a first-round pick when you really don't know what you're looking for, it would be wise to wait a year, make a thorough assessment of what you have and what you need, and then make this year's first-round pick in 2009. Along with that first, the Redskins would have Carolina's third, giving them five of the top 100 picks in the '09 draft.


In the meantime, the Skins would get a third this year (if the deal is with the Panthers it would be the 74th overall) and they would still have four of the top 100 picks.


For a team that needs to get younger in a hurry that's an offer they can't refuse.


We don't know if such a deal will present itself. If it does, Cerrato and company would be very wise to consider it.


Posted by Rich Tandler at 4/12/2008 07:13:00 AM

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I wish he were faster and stronger, then I'd be all for it.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 9:33 AM

Only one problem with that, Greg. If he were faster and stronger he wouldn't be there at #21. The simple fact is that there are no sure things at #21.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 14, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | April 14, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

talkshowhost--

"We don't know if such a deal will present itself. If it does, Cerrato and company would be very wise to consider it." Well, duh. That sounds like Captain Obvious, doesn't it?

Whether the 'Skins should trade their number 1 this year for Carolina's next year depends on who is available to the 'Skins with #1. And they shouldn't be getting Carolina's #3 this year, they should be getting the #2.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 14, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I'd do that deal. In a NY Minute I'd make that deal. Although, I will say, I'd rather take a 2nd this year, and a second next year, than a third this year, and a first next.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I check in almost daily on this blog and I have come to realize this has to be the worst blog ever. Do you ever update anything Jason? The draft is a week away...you think we could get a post about the draft? Instead of a glance at the quaterback position one of the few positions we are actually set at. Every single team is bringing in people for pre-draft workouts. Who are the redskins looking at? Who are they bringing in? Something relevant please.

Posted by: Jimmy | April 14, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The deal sucks. If you look at one of those "NFL draft value charts", the Redskins pick is worth 800 points. Carolina's first next year is valued as a second this year. Their third next year is valued as a fourth this year. So, what they're offering is equal to their second, third, and fourth this year: 450+205+76 = 731. So, we give them 800 and get back 731? Sounds like we're dealing with Denver again.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 14, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0icShpz5_XI&feature=related

More Branden Albert. Sure are a lot of plays where he doesn't block anybody.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

talent, thanks for doing the research on the draft value chart. hopefully we would insist on a little bit more in a trade for future picks.

since this draft is so deep at the positions we really need (OL, DL, WR, and CB) i think we would be best suited to accumulate as many picks as possible this year... however the logic for trading for future picks (if possible) seems somewhat sound.

It was interesting to note from a previous post, that Merling may realistically be available when we pick at 21. If he falls to us, I am pretty sure there would be a ton of teams wanting to trade up with us to get him (assuming they didnt try to trade above us to prevent us from getting him).

I think trading down is our #1 priority. Even Phillip Merling isn't good enough of a steal at 21 where trading down and getting an extra 2nd and/or third rounder would'nt be the better option.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Greg's deal is better. The second and third this year are 450+205. The second next year is equivalent to a third this year, another 205. So that gets the 'Skins 860 points for their pick which is worth 800 points. Sounds like a deal to me, and I like the idea of getting two players this year instead of Calais Campbell.

Posted by: talent evaluator | April 14, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Lets be honest, unless Albert falls to 21, the Redskins should be looking to drop back, no matter who is there. If they have a choice between Merling, and getting an extra 2nd, and third round pick, they need to go with the extra picks.

I would also prefer that they got picks THIS year, as opposed to NEXT year.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I think I just hit an all-time low... I just went over to redskins.com to read some in-depth pieces regarding the draft. It's pathetic, but true. They have an article about the history of the 21st pick, an article about mid-round QB's the skins might draft (unlike JLC's article, this one contains actual players), an article about local prospects visting redskins park, and finally an article which incorporates all of the mock drafts on the internet to see who the redskins draft at 21. Pointless, I know, but at least it was something.
Bottom line... JLC, post something!

Posted by: Matt | April 14, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if zorn has any say in what we do with our picks

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

So...i havent read up on the blog in awhile. Is the consensus up here still that we should trade down if we can at 21? It seems to me that we don't really need a superstar this year at DE, just someone with a higher talent level (vs. run AND pass rushing) than we currently have that can start.

I mean we all know the inside of our line is stout and fairly young with Montgomery, Gholston, and Griffin. It just seems like it would make teams spread out their protection more and allow the rest of the DL be more productive.

So...as one who was previously opposed with taking a DE with 21...if that Merling or Cambell are there...might not be a bad move.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Where's the inside info? Last Jason post was 4 days ago... can the Post please assign someone to this gig who is dedicated to actually reporting on the Skins?

Posted by: chris_zz | April 14, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

THS,
I think if Merling falls to 21, we need to take him. Unless someone is giving us the whole kitchen, not just the sink, I think we need to pick him. Albert or Merling. I would take either.

But, my guess is that Campbell will be there and the one that we pick. Sheesh!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Less than 2 weeks from the draft and no good insider info... FA I understand, skins weren't lookin', but we have a million picks in the draft and not a tidbit of insider info...

Very odd if you ask me.

Posted by: Toady | April 14, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Curz, if Merling is there, and someone is offering the Redskins a #2, and a #3, I think you need to make that move. That would give the team, 5 picks in the first 3 rounds. Two guards, CB, DE or DT, and a WR. I'd slap my own momma if they finagled this deal.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 14, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah...IF we could get THAT much value for our iffy #21, I'd have to say do it. But if we don't think anyone is worth the 21st...how many other teams are actually gonna be interested?

I forget how deep everyone keeps saying this draft is in the 2nd to 4th rounds. One potentially huge bust vs. 4 or 5 prospects.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

curz, i doubt we take a DE at 21. DT is a more pressing need and there are no DTs worth taking at 21. Neither Merling or Campbell is noticeably better than a DE that we could take in the 2nd round. I'd say Merling has a 50/50 shot of being a bust and Campbell has a 75% chance... I'd rather trade down, get a 2nd and third, and take Trevor Laws with one of our 2nds and DE with one of our 3rds. (Jordy Nelson is a must take with one of our 2nds in that scenario.)

If we absolutely can't trade down, id much rather have Merling than Campbell but i will be PO'd if we take Campbell as i do not beleive he will be great.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that JLC cant crack the Skins gag-order. Thus, no insider info.

But I agree. At least one or two more "glances" at some positions or something.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

If the two picks are early in rds 2 & 3, then yes, that is the kitchen.

To me, Merling would not only help in rushing the passer, but would also free up the rest of the line, especially the two DTs to wreck havoc.

But if the trade were for early in those rds, we could still get a good DE and WR (Nelson)in rd two, then our (somewhat) choice of two OL and CB in rd. three.

The other seniario I would like is to trade to later in the 1st and 2nd. But late in rds 2 & 3, not sure I would pass on Merling for that.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

DT is a far bigger need than DE. We don't have a single DT who can rush the passer - we have a bunch of run-stoppers and thats it. I think we got like 20 sacks from the DEs last year (10 from Carter and 10 from the guys on the other side). Thats not stellar, but its not too shabby either. I don't remember how many sacks we got from the interior linemen, but i could probably count the number on one hand. We need one, preferably two pass rushing DTs in this draft and i'd almost say we should get both of them before we worried about DE.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

THS,

I guess my thinking is colored by taking J Nelson in the second. He is probably the only pick I abusolutely want in this draft so my thought process gets limited by that. I think that if we trade for late 2nd and 3rd rd picks, we pick a DL with our first 2nd rd. pick and miss out on Nelson.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Curz, I'm with you on Nelson, I'm sold on that cat.

Laws, or Dre Moore for DT.

Nelson is the only guy who I think the team needs to draft. I fully believe that he is going to be a player.

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

curz, i am 100% with on you taking nelson. He is my #1 draft want as well. However, with the draft stock of all the receivers falling, i am pretty confident that Nelson will be there when we pick with our natural 2nd.

Trading down only gives us MORE options to get Nelson, as we would have more ammo to trade up (or take him with our new 2nd). Drafting Merling or anyone else at 21 really ties our hands. Brandon Albert is the only guy worth taking at 21 and he's not gonna be there. Merling would be tempting, as would talib, but given the choice, i'd trade down for anything close to 800pts.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

TSH,

How can u say that DT is more pressing than DE? Just because our DT's can't create a huge push (just yet) they are so bad that we need to use our 1st pick on the pos.?

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

who is gregmarino88? greg(from boston) or plain old greg

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

DT is a far bigger need than DE. We don't have a single DT who can rush the passer - we have a bunch of run-stoppers and thats it. I think we got like 20 sacks from the DEs last year (10 from Carter and 10 from the guys on the other side). Thats not stellar, but its not too shabby either. I don't remember how many sacks we got from the interior linemen, but i could probably count the number on one hand. We need one, preferably two pass rushing DTs in this draft and i'd almost say we should get both of them before we worried about DE.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 11:34 AM

I just dont buy it brother...DT is a one of our solid positions...maybe a little extra depth...but otherwise, CB, LB, OL and WR are way more important IMO.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I think if Merling falls to 21, we need to take him. Unless someone is giving us the whole kitchen, not just the sink, I think we need to pick him.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 11:08 AM

Including the fridge so we can make a ham sandwich.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

gimmedatpot,

whens the last time you saw one of our DTs pressure the quarterback without help?

The only way LB is more important than DT is if we move Marcus Washington to DE fulltime. LB is not even 1/100th the need that DT is presently.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Carter had 10.5

rest of DE's had 3.5

DT's had 4.0

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

has anyone seen my rag?

Posted by: Nate with the PMS | April 8, 2008 9:37 PM

This was the funniest post from yesterday, and I know humor.

Posted by: Dane Cook | April 9, 2008 6:45 AM

Posted by: unregistered | April 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

TSH, I am plain old greg, while also maintaining the identity of gregmarino88, as well as greg(boston). Depending on my mood, dictates who I sign in as....

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

it just seems to me like everyone is trying to copy the Giants pocket collapsing DL. If everyone is trying to do that this year...maybe we can find a real sleeper at LB.

Because if Griffin goes down, Gholston and Montgomery have proven they can handle the load.

What happens if Fletcher goes down...then we have a 2nd year guy at MB, with one aging OLB and another young, injury prone OLB. Name another LB in waiting right off the top of your head...i dare you.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

i would actually put CB and OL ahead of DT at this point in time.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Carter had 10.5

rest of DE's had 3.5

DT's had 4.0

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 11:53 AM

Who have to include Marcus Washington's sack total in with the DE because he played DE in pass rush situations last year.

Also Merling is a stud, so don't sleep on him. It's only because he's injured that he's sliding nothing else. Nelson is sold but he's not the only quality WR in this draft. I think there are no #1 WR in this draft, but there are at least 8 quality #2 Wrs in the draft. I would happy with any of these WR picked in round 2: Hardy, Kelly, Nelson, Sweed. This man crush on Nelson is a bit much.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 14, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

This was the funniest post from yesterday, and I know humor.

Posted by: Dane Cook | April 9, 2008 6:45 AM


No, Dane Cook know's romantic comedies.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'd be all for trading back and getting more picks, the skins seem to have so many needs. If someone like Carolina was desperate enough to offer next years #1 I think they should jump on it. Passing on Merling would be tough though. I think a DE is a more pressing need than a DT. Although if they were to pick up a DT in the 2nd or 3rd my choice would be Pat Sims of Auburn. Everything I read about him is that he's explosive and could be a collapse the pocket type of DT. He just needs some coachin-up and work in the weight room.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 14, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Marlon,

Didnt think about that as far as MW is concerned. But what do you say about the DT's being a weaker area than DE?

Another thing im not totally clear on is WHY we need another WR so bad..is it because the WCO requires so many catches in traffic? and we need to get bigger targets? or is it just for the jump balls and goaline fade routes?

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Marlonjohn,
Personally, I think that Hardy is the best WR in this years class. It's his off the field troubles that give me pause with him. Nelson to me is the only other, IMO, sure bet at WR. Kelly and Sweed are, again IMO, 50/50 sure thing/busts. Though I would not take any WR at 21 and can't see passing on Merling if he is there. Or Albert.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

This man crush on Nelson is a bit much.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 14, 2008 12:06 PM

http://inside.kstatesports.com/nelson/

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.gbnreport.com/3-roundprojection.html

3 round mock

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 12:12 PM

Another vote for Sweed. Riggins has the skins taking Sweed #1 as well on nfl.com

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 14, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Hola. This is the real me; earlier posts on this thread were bogus (that wasn't me, Alex....). I was out with a sinus infection.
Jasno will indeed have a new post; he's doing a little double duty on hockey. Also, if I were you guys, I'd expect to be dissecting the schedule some time in the next few days. You'll want to schedule as much down time as possible at work.
The minibingus at Summers yesterday was great fun. Smack, Adam and Redcoat were very cool companions and didn't tell me to knock off the stupid Andy Rooney jokes, which I appreciate. I'm looking forward to the Junebingapalooza, but Summers is always a good spot for interim meetings.

Posted by: Cindy | April 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

With so many pressing needs tho, i wouldnt take a DT untill 5th or later. Unless they plan to fill a need with a post June 1st cut.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

gimmydatpot I have started to think that WR is not that important either. I would like to see one drfted somewhere in the first 3 rounds, but I don't think they need to draft one in the first round either. Curzon I think Hardy has the best potential as well, however if the skins draft nelson late 2nd or early 3rd I would be happy as well.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Marlon, did you not hear about the Malcolm Kelly workout, and subsequent excuse a thon? I want no part of that clown, not even if he's there in the third. He showed his true colors, when he faced the smallest adversity.

He's all about the MONEY, and HIMSELF. Sorry, no thanks.

I'd take Sweed in the 2nd for sure. I think he goes EARLY in the second, I think after Thomas goes in the first, Sweed is the next WR to go.

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

i would actually put CB and OL ahead of DT at this point in time.

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 12:04 PM


gimmydatpot, we need a starting CB... any CB drafted outside of the first round is not going to fill that need and will only play special teams. We need a veteran CB in free agency (there will be a good guy available post june 1st) - not in the 2nd or 3rd rounds. DT is the absolute #1 need on this team. Vinny C and Zorn have both said as much. I would order our DRAFT needs this way:

1. DT
2. WR
3. OL
4. DE
5. S
6. LB

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

P.S. I was drinking Diet Coke.

Posted by: Cindy | April 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Greg I did hear that. It's a sham, that attitude is costing him some $$. He's immature for sure. Is it a character flaw that's for the FO to find out. Kelly has no off the field issues so he's draftable, but his imaturity is a problem. Gotta go.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 14, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Marlon, to me Kelly is undraftable. He just gave you a glimpse of what he's about. The first time he drops a pass, or fumbles, its not going to be his fault, it will be that JC didn't get him the ball in stride or some other excuse.

Who did the GBN mock have the Redskins taking with their picks?

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

DT is the absolute #1 need on this team. Vinny C and Zorn have both said as much.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 12:28 PM

Have you ever heard of the concept of disinformation? That is, deliberately providing misleading information in order to conceal true motives. Disinformation by front offices is very popular in the NFL, particularly in the months leading up to the draft. The only way to determine what is real and what is not real is to wait until draft day and see who they actually select, and then compare it to what they were saying.

Posted by: tafka | April 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

PARCELLS IS SIMPLY BEING PARCELLS
Posted by Mike Florio on April 14, 2008, 12:11 p.m.
I was out doing "real" work this morning when MDS posted the blurb about the Fins giving Jake Long a deadline for working out a deal to become the No. 1 overall pick, so I haven't had a chance to chime in regarding the latest disclosure regarding the team's tactics.

So I will now.

It's classic Bill Parcells.

His goal, Peter King believes, is to pay the top pick less money than what the No. 1 pick received in 2007. Only Parcells has the personality to pull this off. And pull it off Parcells will, if the player who ultimately agrees to terms gets good advice based on the best interests of the player, not on the self-interests of his agent.

I wrote about the Parcells' draft-pick dynamic on Friday for SportingNews.com, but that's not gonna stop me from addressing it in further detail here.

The analysis is simple. Assuming that he has no preference in teams among the top five who select (Miami, St. Louis, Atlanta, Oakland, Kansas City), it's a dollars-and-cents decision for Jake Long. The issue comes down to how much he'd get in Miami as the No. 1 pick, versus how much he'd get if he isn't the No. 1 pick.

Gauging that amount can be tricky. Since we're fairly certain that the Chiefs would pounce on Long if he's on the board at No. 5, an armchair expert in probability analysis could quickly throw together a formula that would put a dollar value not accepting the Dolphins' best offer, based on the realistic possibility of getting picked in each spot from No. 2 to No. 5 and the expected contract that each slot will pay.

Under such an analysis, the answer surely would be to take the offer at No. 1.

The only cause for pause would arise if Long were 100 percent certain that he'd otherwise be the No. 2 selection. In that case, he'd need to ask himself whether he thinks he'll get more money at No. 2 than he'll get at No. 1.

Complicating matters is the reality that there's an inherent, but non-specific, marketing value in being the No. 1 overall pick. Also, what Jake Long gets at No. 2 will be influenced heavily by what the Dolphins pay to someone else at No. 1. If one of the other high-end prospects eventually accepts the offer that Jake Long rejects, the ceiling will arguably be established for Jake Long at No. 2.

And Jake Long needs to analyze these tough questions with the input of an agent who would be villified, excoriated, and otherwise dissed by his colleagues in the agent industry if the agent does a deal that actually reduces the astronomical growth in the No. 1 overall contract. From 2003 to 2007, the guaranteed money shot from $15 million to $32 million. The concept of heading in the other direction is something that agents simply aren't wired to comprehend.

If Long doesn't take the deal from Miami and lands at No. 5, it won't be difficult for him to count the difference in real dollars that he sacrificed, possibly so that his agent will then be able to recruit another top-five pick in 2009, 2010, and beyond.

As a league source told me last week, if/when Parcells pulls this off, the first demand from the union in the next CBA will be to prohibit pre-draft negotiations. And that demand will come from the agents who don't want to be put in the awkward position of serving their clients, and serving themselves.

Maybe this hasn't happened sooner because the organizations that have held the No. 1 overall pick in the draft were in that position for a reason. This year, the worst team from the prior season cleaned house and brought in a new sheriff who's willing to take on a fight that, over the past several years, none of the teams at the top of the draft board have had the smarts, the nerve, or the will to wage.

Parcells has it all. And, in this specific context, we love it.

-----------------------------------------

looks like man-boobs could do everyone a favor if he pulls this off. gotta love parcells!

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Jordy Nelson

Analysis
Positives: Intriguing combination of size, hands and overall athleticism for the position. ... Developed into an All-American wideout after signing with Kansas State as a safety. ... Good initial quickness off the snap to get into his route. ... Sneaky deep speed made more effective by good route-running. ... Best attribute might be his hands and toughness. ... Can adjust to the poorly thrown ball and pluck it out of the air or off his shoe laces. ... Knows when to make the body catch when defenders are near. ... Good body control to get his feet down in bounds and knows where the first down marker is. ... Enjoyed strong games against quality cornerbacks (Dwight Lowery, Terrence Wheatley, Aqib Talib). ... Enjoyed a monster senior campaign -- but was very effective as a sophomore and junior (pre-injury) as well. ... Faster on the field than his timed 40-yard dash would indicate.

Negatives: A better athlete than given credit for, but isn't the elite athlete his senior production may have you believe. ... Good route-runner, but lacks explosiveness out of his breaks and elite deep ball speed. ... Primary target in this offense, receiving more than twice as many passes his way than any other Wildcat receiver. ... Big play artist for KSU, but may lack the acceleration to be anything more than a possession receiver at the next level. ... Suffered a sprained PCL in his left knee that hampered him throughout the 2006 season.

Growing up, who was your favorite NFL player and why?
Joe Montana, because I wanted to be a quarterback when I grew up.
In college, what player hit you the hardest? Who was the recipient of your best hit?
I don't know. Griffith from Texas.
What TV-show marathon will keep you on the couch all day?
Two and a half men
What are the five most-played songs in your iPod? What's the one song you hope nobody ever finds out is in your iPod?
I don't have an iPod.
What celebrity would play you in the movie version of your life and why?
Channing Tatem, because people say I look like him a little.
What is one thing your teammates don't know about you?
I cook at my parents' restaurant.
What reality TV show would you like to be on and why?
Survivor, because it's challenging both mentally and physically.
What's your proudest moment in football? Proudest moment off the field?
Carrying coach Snyder off the field after his last game. Being the first in my family to graduate.
When you play Madden, what team do you use? Do you put yourself on the team?
I don't really play video games.
Who has been the biggest influence on your football career and how?
Steve Wagner, because he was my high school coach.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 14, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Washington Post staffers do not hate the Redskins. Or the Caps. Or the Nats. Or the Wiz. Or United.

Posted by: Cindy | April 14, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

tafka,

normally, i would agree with you, but you can usually tell when guys are BSing... vinny didnt just speculate: he provided FACTS and stats that are hard to dispute.

He has also openly put our 1st round pick up "for sale." We have every reason to expect one DE and our choice of WRs to be available at 21. there arent any DTs worthy of being taken there (it would be a bit of a reach for balmer) and we've worked out several DTs who are not worth taking at 21 and will be gone by the time we pick at 53 in the 2nd round.

The poor performance past perfornace and lack of depth we have at DT, combined with who we have worked out, combined with our eagerness to rid ourselves of the #21 pick, and combined with the enormous depth of quality DL players in the 2nd and 3rd round literally SCREAMS that we are not hiding our true intentions here.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

here's an interesting article on some good late-round prospects from smaller round schools:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/specials/draft/2008/04/14/sleepers/index.html

The draft is less than two weeks away and football conversations center around the top prospects from the nation's biggest college football programs. Yet history has shown not all productive players in the draft come from major IA schools. Lane College's Jacoby Jones, with the Houston Texans, and Illinois State's Laurent Robinson, with the Atlatna Falcons, are just two small-school players who made impacts last year. So who are the top small-school sleepers in this year's draft? Here are a dozen names to remember.

Brad Roach, QB, Catawba: Roach is a 6-foot-6, 250-pound gunslinger who tossed 32 touchdown passes last season. He possesses the physical dimensions for a franchise to develop. Roach is a late-round selection that has privately worked out for the New York Giants and Houston Texans.

Tim Hightower, RB, Richmond: Scouts were surprised Hightower was not invited to the combine in February, especially after scoring 20 touchdowns last season. The 220-pound back later impressed by running 4.51 seconds in the 40 at his pro day. Hightower, a solid middle-round pick, has visited nearly a dozen franchises leading up to the draft including the Detroit Lions and Oakland Raiders, a pair of teams with great interest in his services.

Arman Shields, WR, Richmond: Shields is another Spider being hotly pursued by NFL clubs. His story is all the more interesting as Shields was sidelined after three games last season with knee injury. He came back to run a 4.45 at the combine. Shields, an outstanding receiver and return specialist, is being pursued by more than a half-dozen franchises and has made visits to see the Tampa Bay Bucs and New York Jets.

Brandon Keith, OL, Northern Iowa: Keith, who started his college career at Oklahoma, has watched his draft stock soar the past nine months. He capped off a solid combine performance with an even better pro day, running under five seconds in the 40 after weighing 340 pounds. Keith has visited a number of teams around the league including a pair of NFC East franchises, the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles.

Thaddeus Coleman, T, Mississippi Valley State: Coleman could well be the best-kept secret at the offensive tackle position. He stands a shade under 6-8 yet has the athleticism and footwork necessary to protect the blind side. Coleman is fresh off meeting with the Minnesota Vikings and has a host of other squads who want to speak with him.

Shawn McMackin, G, Hofstra: McMackin is one of the most athletically gifted offensive linemen in the draft. His ability to be used at tackle or guard is added value. McMackin's physical skills have caught the attention of a number of zone blocking teams including the Denver Broncos and Indianapolis Colts.

Brian Johnston, DE, Garden Webb: Johnston could well have been the biggest combine snub of 2008. He is a complete defender who totaled 145 tackles and 38 tackles for loss the past two years. Johnston measured 6-5 and 280 pounds at his pro day last month then ran the 40 under 4.7 seconds. Two dozen teams, including the Jacksonville Jaguars and Seattle Seahawks, have expressed strong interest in Johnston.

Andy Studebaker, OLB, Wheaton (Ill.): Studebaker was poised for a big senior campaign until a foot injury ended his season after five games. He led the NCAA in sacks as a junior with 17.5, also recording 24.5 tackles for loss that year. He will be running for NFL scouts April 18 and has already visited with five teams, the Green Bay Packers and Buffalo Bills amongst them.

Vince Redd, OLB, Liberty: Redd is an imposing defender who looks like a man amongst boys on the field. Twenty NFL teams have worked out Redd, a prospect who can play outside linebacker or defensive end. Cleveland Browns general manager Phil Savage made a special trip to scout Redd at his first pro-day workout.

Joe Mays, OLB, North Dakota State: The All-American linebacker is a fiery one-gap defender effective in run defense and pass coverage. Mays, a consistent three year starter, is being pursued by the Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles.

Cary Williams, CB, Washburn: Williams, an opportunistic cornerback and game changing return specialist, picked off seven passes last season while returning two kicks for touchdowns. He is sized well at 6-2, 190 and also possesses 4.4 speed. The Kansas City Chiefs and Green Bay Packers have both shown intense interest in Williams.

Brandon Carr, CB, Grand Valley State: Carr has terrific size (6-0, 205), speed (4.5) and production (28 pass breakups and eight INTs the past two seasons). Carr has the ability to be used in a variety of defensive systems and is presently getting close looks from five teams which includes a visit to the Jacksonville Jaguars and personal workout by the Cleveland Browns.

Notes: One of the best human interest stories in April's draft is the life of Nevada linebacker Ezra Butler. The two-time all-WAC defender was born in South Africa and spent his childhood fatherless and living day-to-day before being sent to America by his mother. Butler came to the United States at the age of 13 and was raised by his uncle, Grammy-nominated jazz musician Jonathan Butler. He entered Nevada as a 285-pound defensive tackle then lost 40 pounds after undergoing shoulder surgery early in his career, before making the switch to linebacker. In a recent interview Butler stated he derives his motivation from the debt he owes his mother and sister, who still live in South Africa.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

you guys are way into this draft stuff......all i know is don't reach in the early rounds (1st) especially.... calis cambell, reminds me of tracey rocker....great junior yr would have been top 10 pick, poor senior yr bad workouts, work ethic questions....I thought it was a good move back in the day to take him (3rd rd) he wasn't a player as it turned out ...bottom line projects should be taken latter....I have no idea who we should pick....trading back is good...find guys who value football almost above anything else...do that and you find guys who can play (we need).......

Posted by: Old School | April 14, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

21 Washington Limas Sweed
WR
Texas

51 Washington Justin King CB Penn State

84 Washington Jeremy Thompson
DE
Wake Forest

96
Washington
Thomas DeCoud
DB
California

Posted by: KMDP4 | April 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

TSH, I'd take a couple of those cats. I've already expressed interest in using a 3rd on Brandon Keith. Brian Johnston sounds just as intriguiging.

What worries me is the lack of mention of any of those particular players meeting with the Redskins.

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

looks like man-boobs could do everyone a favor if he pulls this off. gotta love parcells!

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 12:45 PM

I'm glad Parcells is on my team. And I never thought I'd be saying that!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

km, those 4 selections do nothing for me. Ugh...no thanks.

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Agreed, that is one of the worst mocks I have seen.

Posted by: kmdp4 | April 14, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

TSH,

Thanks for the post on the small college athletes. I really like Cary Williams, CB, Washburn. Gonna have to go find more info on him.

The GBN mock has Altanta drafting in the girls second 1st rd pick. I had not heard of any trades the Falcons made. Was hoping we could pull off a trade with them.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

kmdp4,

are you the real kmd4 or a cheap imitation thereof? thats a horrible mock, no offense.

Sweed is not going in the 1st and hopefully hes gone by the time we have our 2nd. I am not impressed with him. Much rather have nelson.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

If you asked me and I know you guys have not......I will offer anyway my opinion of what our most immediate need (s)are....always qualifying with my assumption that campbell proves to be a solid NFL QB, then.....Its an offensive league led by QB and high Impact WR....have to throw the ball to score....have to avg mid 20's to move from 7-9 wins to 11+.....again assuming average or better overall team health and assuming you play average or better defense....you also have to stop teams from scoring ie Passing on you....given the present state of our team i'd say CB....there you have it WR or CB early line depth in the mid rounds and a DE project late someone with speed and moves but needs to add weight, comes from a small school etc......

Posted by: Old School | April 14, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Cary Williams would be a great pick. Even if he couldn't help on defense, he could definitely play teams and we could possibly even convert him to receiver... he's got the speed and the height.

the receiver from richmond also intrigues me. he could be a real late round steal...

Looks like the Gints and Iggles are really looking at some of these players. hopefully we can steal one or two of them from them in the 6th and 7th rounds. I really don't want them nabbing brandon keith.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

also would like to the skins sign Rod Coleman, cut by Atlanta...... pass rushing specilist at DT.... bring him in on third and long....he can't do anything else like (play the run) but tell him if wants a paycheck , get in shape enough to play 15 plays a game allout after the QB....

Posted by: Old School | April 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I'm so late weighing-in with this but for some reason I found myself working - and on a Monday to boot!

A big thankyou to SMACK and Adam for attending and putting up with me being even more insufferable than usual as my team crushed SMACK's team's feint hope of silverware for yet another season (sound familiar SMACK?).

They were both great company, with Adam even skiving off from the pursuit of outdoor athletic perfection in order to watch SMACK and I doing beer-related workouts.

I heartily concur with SMACK's description of Cindy. Dorf and t_e, it looks like you two have a serious rival for her blog-affections, and SMACK is a pretty big dude too so you'd better get in training!

Thanks again to all for attending, to Cindy in particular with enduring some pretty inane comments from us (actually me mostly) in such good humo(u)r and for taking time from her busy work day to chat with us.

Good people, good times.

I look forward to seeing all you guys again - and hopefully many new ones - at the June Shabingus.

Oh, and if you are ever invited to a WaPo sports-releated meal, whatever you do don't have the roe!!

Posted by: Redcoat | April 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes I am real and that was not my mock, Greg had asked who the GBN mock had us taking so I posted the picks from the GBN mock.

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Posted by: BOOFER | April 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
So there were no arrests?


Any word on the PDX meet-up or has everyone been incarcerated?

(I couldn't make it, alas!)

Posted by: Stumped | April 14, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Schedule being released tomorrow at 2PM.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

No Stumped, no arrests. Although I don't think Adam has been seen on the blog since. So maybe I should say "no arrests, that I know of".

Will you be coming right-coast in June stumped?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 14, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Back atcha, Redcoat! As a long-time observer of the Tuna from my daze in NYC, I think you should he happy he's with your team. He is, you know, supersmart.

Posted by: Cindy | April 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

yeah i kinda figured that out kmdp4 when you said yourself it was bad. good to know you haven't been impersonated yet!

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
Not I, but the PNW will be well represented.

Posted by: Stumped | April 14, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

We appear to have run Adam off.

Posted by: Cindy | April 14, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Having been on the wrong end of the Tuna's supersmartedness for years I hope he hasn't lost it just yet.

We now return you to the perpetual speculation on "which 'position of need/want/ambivalence' should be filled first by the Redskins in round 7 - hopefully by a player that won't (but in all probability will) be a 'dud' so will actually turn out to be a 'wasted' pick".

I have to ask this. Is the whole 'draft speculation' industry based upon the old saw of "the work expands to fit the time available?" in this case meaning that there are several months before even the first 'bullet' of the phony war that is the pre-season is fired, so we hamsters (and our encouragers in hamsterhood in the media) created this totally pointless activity to fill the void of real information until swords are drawn for real again?

Posted by: Redcoat | April 14, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Wait...when did the sign in switch back? When did Boofer come back? I'm so confused...

Posted by: Skinz | April 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't worry about the Tuna losing his supersmartness. He's only slightly overrated by the media and that's a compliment as they put him right below God and only slightly above Col. Sanders.

He's very smart and if you don't believe me, just ask him.

Posted by: Skinz | April 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

TSH,

DT is our number 1 need in the draft? Is that what you are saying?

Lets assume we cant get rid of the 21st. Who would you pick?

Posted by: gimmydatpot | April 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather be suppersmart than supersmart Skinz.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

gimmedatpot, Supposing we traded with ATL and got a 2nd and 3rd:

2 (ATL) DT Trevor Law, Notre Dame
2 (WAS) WR Jordy Nelson, Kansas State
3 (ATL) G Roy Schuening, Oregon St.
3 (WAS) DE Chris Harrington, Texas A&M
3 (COMP)S Craig Seltz, LSU
5 (WAS) LB Tavares Gooden, Miami
6 (WAS) QB Colt Brennan, Hawaii
7 (WAS) FB Jerome Felton, Furman
7 (WAS) OT Brandon Keith, OK A&M
7 (WAS) DT Barry Booker, VT

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

MMMMM suppersmart...

Posted by: Skinz | April 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

TSH, first two picks look good, but that goes downhill fast. Keith wont be around in the 7th. No thanks to Colt.

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
You win the prize.
Less than 2 more weeks to go.

Then we can look forward to Paintball 2008.

Posted by: Stumped | April 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Beepbeep.

Posted by: Cindy | April 14, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

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