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Positional Review - O Line

I expect the Redskins to focus significant draft energy along the line, with age and health a major issue with the O Line. Randy Thomas and Jon Jansen are again coming off surgery and lost seasons. Pete Kendall has arthritic knees. Getting 2-3 more quality seasons out of all three of them is asking a lot, and the Skins know it.

They are working out lots of linemen, with O Line coach Joe Bugel hitting the road to see these prospects up close. They could need a starting tackle sooner rather than later (veteran backup Todd Wade struggled last season and second-year tackle Stephon Heyer may not project to a starter yet (he remains a work in progress).

Chris Samuels remains an elite left tackle but finding a stud with the ability to play tackle and guard would be too much to pass on with the 21st pick. The Skins love Brendan Albert but I still don't see him being around near 21. Vandy tackle Chris Williams is someone I believe they would jump on at 21 as well, as they rate him highly. Duane Thomas, a tackle from Virginia Tech, is someone to watch should the Skins trade out of 21, which is likely to be their favored option should the top 20 unfold as many expect.

The Redskins also are in the market for a back-up center to fill the Mike Pucillo role from the past few seasons. They could find that guy on the second day of the draft. Should the Redskins continue to toggle Lorenzo Alexander between O and D it could stunt his growth. People I talk to think he could be a starting guard in this league, and I would imagine he'd continue to get a bulk of reps there.

Randoms: Can't cover the Caps Saturday - got a longstanding date with my daughter to see the Doodlebops for the second straight spring. Last year it was at Comcast Center. This time it's the Patriot Center. In another year we'll be following their tour bus around loaded down with sippy cups and chicken nuggets, following them from town to town like some G-Rated Grateful Dead caravan.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 18, 2008; 6:54 AM ET
 
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First!

Posted by: Second | April 18, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Third!

Posted by: Fourth | April 18, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

"Can't cover the Caps Saturday - got a longstanding date with my daughter to see the Doodlebops for the second straight spring."

By Jason La Canfora | April 18, 2008; 6:54 AM ET

Aren't the Doodlebops playing in Verizon Center on Saturday night? Against the Flyers? Hard to tell the difference between the play-off Caps and the Doodlebops. Oh yeah, the Doodlebops have never set up a powerplay goal by having too many "men" on the ice.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

blah blah blah
hate hate hate
caps redsox
crappy bands
blah blah blah
hate hate hate

Posted by: jonthefisherman | April 18, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Even though it is still very early in the morning, we have decided to confer upon jonthefisherman the "D-Bag Of The Day" Award for Friday.

Congratulations, jon!

Posted by: Awards Committee | April 18, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Douch...let the man enjoy his time w/ his daughter...

Posted by: Terpin It | April 18, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

J-la, great post. You nailed it about Manny in another post as well. Guy is flat out raking right now. Seriously, his last 3 at bats versus Mussina have been, HR, HR, HR. Someone needs to pass Girardi a smelling salt.

Hopefully the Redskins come out of this draft with at least 1 guy ready to step in out of training camp, to the starting lineup. Can Williams play guard?

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

RIP Danny Federici

Posted by: rmur23 | April 18, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

jon also takes today's prize for worst haiku.

Come on, dude, were you even trying? Pathetic.

Posted by: Awards Committee - Subcommittee on Poetry | April 18, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Not to bring up the CJ stuff, but saw an interesting thing regarding it last night on Rome is Burning. Rome had a reporter on from a SF Newspaper who made a great point. CJ can piss, and whine, and make all the noise that he wants. The owner of the Bengals spent 20 years NOT spending money, and trying to win. This guy is as stubborn, and vindictive as they get, and if CJ wants to hold out, thats fine by him, but Mike Brown wont give in to this guy. It was an interesting interview, didn't paint Mike Brown in a good light at all.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

If the Caps get eliminated in the first round. . . will you mock them?

Or are they somehow superior to the team you hate, who also got eliminated in the first round?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Off and running on another fun day of anon stone throwing.....

I think I would be fine if every pick they made was on the O-line! I think retooling there is a major concern.

Anyone see Steve McNair retired....while I am sure I will get immediately slapped with anon barrage...I always loved this dude....what a gamer...that SB he almost one, was a great SB to watch....Thanks Steve for the NFL fun!

Beantown Greg: Dude I got Manny on one of my BB Fantasy teams....wow! I wish he could go against Mussina everynight....sick...nothing like a contract year!!!!


Let the CHRIS LARry BASHING BEGIN!

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I've been following the Wiggles around the world for the past five years with my kids. The Wiggles are more like the Dead, and the Doodlebops are more like Phish -- the new generation. I'm not crazy about the Doodlebops, though, something just isn't right about their outfits. Kind of creepy to me. I've been successful at staving off any kind of infatuation with the Doodlebops.

Posted by: Piper's Piping | April 18, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

cl, when Manny gets dialed in, like he is now, its just not even fair. His last 33 games versus the Yanks, he's hitting .478, with 13 home runs. WHY WOULD YOU PITCH TO THIS CAT?? He's just so friggin good at the plate. No wasted motion in his swing. When he's up to the plate, I call my kids into the room, and tell them to watch him swing, watch him do the thing he was put on this earth to do, swing a baseball bat. Guy is just sick....

Farnsworth is a pud for that pitch behind his head....punk...

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I always loved the dude too, because he was always on the other team. The guy played quarterback like Roseanne sings the national anthem. The guy played quarterback like Dick Cheney hunts. But he was a tough SOB and I hope he can live a normal life after getting his sternum broken what was it, 12 times?

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Greg

From previous, I think I meant the draft is weak early and the real value is finding players latter, for once we have a slew of picks.....again we are at a crossroads, we have some of the pieces in place (solid o line, solid D) provided we have decent health, but we have a new coach putting in a new passing O ... I guess i mean to say we can't f this thing up player personel wise if we ever want to estabilish something and get away from the perpual cycle of "transitioning" we have been doing most of last 15yrs or so......remember its coaching for (style of play, idenity and QB for on field play/leadership) but given those 2 keys you gotta make more smart moves than dumb............

Posted by: Old School | April 18, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

greg

manny is a hitting machine, love to watch him at the plate, hitting to him is like breathing for the rest of us........

Posted by: Old School | April 18, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

os, yeah, he just gets oblivious to his surroundings, its like everything just slows down. Pitchers think getting him down in the count is an advantage, but he just gets more dialed in.

Agreed also on finding players later. The Redskins need to, 5 years from now, be looking back on this draft with smiles on their faces for the success they had. Heck, scan the small school scene, and pick up some talent from there.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

One thing the FO has excelled at the last few years is the proverbial "8th rounders" or post draft-undrfted FA dudes....

Hopefully the amount of Draft prep due to there # of picks will put them in position to snag some of those dudes as well...

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

In all the talk of needing O-line depth, this is the first time (I think) that I heard Stephon Heyer mentioned.

Why does no one see him as a capable backup. He filled in as a starter (winning the job over Todd Wade) last year as a rookie. Forget work-in-progress. This guy was thrown out there and performed great. I see him as the future starting tackle for the Redskins and may even challenge Jansen this year.

I'm certainly not opposed to depth at O-line, but I would say Guard is where the immediate need is. You can add a depth tackle somewhere, but I'd be shocked if Kendell/Thomas both make it through the year.

Posted by: Paul S. | April 18, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I guess I don't view "Work in progress" as an insult, and I think everyone views Heyer as part of the solution not the problem....but simply having Heyer doesn't solve depth and talent problems along the O-line. Also Heyer got abused in the Seattle playoff game, so he has some work to do.

Down the stretch the O-Line played with a lot of heart but not a heck of a lot of ability....you put 06s line on the O7 team and well...we might have had a special run...

The difference in the two lines is 07s line defended the line of scrimmage while 06s attacked and controlled it. Last year we couldn't do the stunts and pulls that put a defense on their heels and let the Skins run down field...

Just sayin

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Like Hillary Clinton doing standup. Like Joan Rivers changing a tire.

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Het CL, totally with you on the anon's all being gutless wonders. They need to grow a pair and use a handle like the rest of us.
I hate "doling out advice", but just ignore them.....I don't acknowledge or respond to any anon posts. At least it's died down from the initial first few days of non-registration. Those who remain are only here to flame, so ITA (ignore the anons-HA!).....

Posted by: dlhaze | April 18, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

SMACK, cL, I always liked McNair a lot, too.

I also like the comparisons of his, ah, dubious capabilities as a "quarterback" to things other people do well.


"Like George W. Bush being president of the United States."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I always though he was a heck of a QB when healthy...guess I was wrong..

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Maybe McNair was better than SMACK and I remember... pretty good, steady stats through the bulk of his career. Never really set the world on fire as a passer (which is what I think SMACK's jokes were about) but was always a hell of a leader.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaSt00.htm?redir

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

And I agree on anons being gutless wonders, myself included.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Top 50 Draft Busts!

We made top 5...!!! sweet!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/news/story?id=3325687

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

And I agree on anons being gutless wonders, myself included.

Posted by: | April 18, 2008 10:16 AM

Agree to disagree. Much more gutful than we get credit for.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

def a couple unjustified digs at skins in the list...also Westbrook but not Ishmael....lots of debatable stuff if were bored....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm being a little harsh on McNair. Maybe more like Richard Simmons splitting firewood, or Yogi Berra taking the SAT.

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This guy is as stubborn, and vindictive as they get, and if CJ wants to hold out, thats fine by him, but Mike Brown wont give in to this guy. It was an interesting interview, didn't paint Mike Brown in a good light at all.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 8:59 AM

Mike Brown is like Al Davis with no money, or Ralph Wilson with a hangover. Screw sons of former Cleveland greats who leave in a huff to start a team downstate (and forgetting to take their last name with them and leaving it as the "mascot").

Also, jonthefisherman = Pseudonym = jonthe"fissure"man = hemmy.

And I agree with Paul S., I anticipate that with a full off-season to slim down and workout, Heyer will be replacing Jansen in the starting line-up by midseason if not sooner. [No offense to Jansen ... that was a single entendre.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Rogers was a bigger bust than Heath Shuler ... he was drafted one spot earlier than the esteemed Congressman from North Carolina. Shuler among the top busts ever? Agree to agree.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Just needs a little more musculature in the upper body area, to balance out those womanly hips of his, sween.

Hooray for Heyer! Love the kid. Here's hoping he's our starting RT in September 2009.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

What about this guy:

11. QB Jim Druckenmiller (Virginia Tech)
Drafted by: 49ers, first round, No. 26 overall, 1997

During the 49ers' heyday, the organization was always excellent at looking at the big picture and keeping the team competitive. Although QB Steve Young was still a Pro Bowl player, he was no longer a young man, and the team looked to get its quarterback of the future. But the former Hokie simply couldn't play, starting one game when Young was injured and gone after two seasons.

Might this have been a Vinnie pick while he was at San Francisco?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

The O-line needs some depth, but I think the starting 5 are pretty darn serviceable.

The weakest unit in the starting five this year is the same as last year. That would be left guard. While I could see a high pick going to the line, I suspect at the highest a 2nd rounder will be used unless Albert is available.

Manny is hitting very well. If only he could have Mussina pitching to him all the time. Did anyone see Griffy JR. hit his 596th homer?

What I am suprised is the lack of talk about the linebacking corps. We have some good ones but Marcus is getting up there in age, Rocky has questionable knees and Fletcher will give us a few seasons. I suspect a linebacker might be taken for depth and eventual replacement.

Posted by: JP | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

No love (er, hate) for Desmond Howard on that list? I might rank him above Westbrook among Skins' busts, because he was seen as this sort of luxury pick coming off the SB but then he amounted to diddly-poo for us as the team imploded... but maybe I'm just mad about that pick, and about how those next seasons unfolded...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Just needs a little more musculature in the upper body area, to balance out those womanly hips

Posted by: | April 18, 2008 10:29 AM

Like your tackles with big boobs, do you, you anonymous gutless wonder?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

No love (er, hate) for Desmond Howard on that list?

Posted by: | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM

I think he got off because of his return skills. He was better than Rock Cartwright, not as good as Brian Mitchell. He should have been drafted about where they were. But, that's Joe Gibbs for you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Westbrook was a bust, and for a team that had zero players on the D-Line they should have never passed on W.Sapp or K.Carter. That was Norv for ya... he thought he had his Aikman with Shuler and then he tried to get his Irvin with Westbrook. Bad times...
Speaking of that draft and busts, why no mention of Ki-Jana Carter? I know he was a bust due to injuries, but he was the #1 overall pick and never had a 1,000 yard season.

Posted by: Matt | April 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Heyer was a great story last year and should be ready to go for RT with a bit more training from Buges. Weren't the majority of the Hogs in the 80's undrafted linemen?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 18, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Down the stretch the O-Line played with a lot of heart but not a heck of a lot of ability....you put 06s line on the O7 team and well...we might have had a special run...

The difference in the two lines is 07s line defended the line of scrimmage while 06s attacked and controlled it. Last year we couldn't do the stunts and pulls that put a defense on their heels and let the Skins run down field...

Just sayin

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:57 AM

Just agreein

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Understood that Desmond Howard didn't belong on this particular list because he went on to have at least one really good season and I think was Super Bowl MVP.

I was just trying to say that, to me, for the Skins, Howard was a bigger bust than Westbrook. Three middling seasons, one punt return TD, five receiving TDs, 66 catches total, then we cut him loose. Ugh.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I miss TCCLs.

I agree that Heyer is a work in progress - which is not a bad thing. He's got some solid work from last seasin to build off of and I see him continuing to make strides this year filling in when needed.

Posted by: mile high | April 18, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"boobs" do not equal "musculature", fellow anonymous person.

The running joke up here last season was that, much as we loved Heyer (great story, great kid, turned out to be a solid backup in a pinch, especially for a rookie) he had a gigantic backside and seemed to be wearing peewee league shoulder pads. The classic "pear-shaped" man body type. Hence the "womanly hips" thing. Just looked... awkward.

Okay, that'll be enough about that...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

earlier i said ishmael...i meant Howard...he should be higher on the bust list than Westbrook....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

What I am suprised is the lack of talk about the linebacking corps. We have some good ones but Marcus is getting up there in age, Rocky has questionable knees and Fletcher will give us a few seasons. I suspect a linebacker might be taken for depth and eventual replacement.

Posted by: JP | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM

That's why I wouldn't be upset if they picked Mayo.

http://www.rockytoptalk.com/story/2008/4/16/0222/45923

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I guess I give Howard a little bit more slack than Westbrook.
Howard was brought in by Gibbs. As a rookie, he wasn't going to see a ton of playing time behind Monk, Clark, and Sanders. Then Gibbs leaves and Pettibon comes in with a new offense (WCO) to learn. We go through three QBs that season, including Rich Gannon I believe. Then in his third season as a pro he gets his third HC in Norv.
Not tyring to make excuses for the guy. He still is a bust, just not as big of a bust as Westbrook.

Posted by: Matt | April 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

How is Tony Mandarich and The Boz not on that list?

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I am NOOOOOOOOO westbrook apologist...but he did have a few productive season while Howard contributed Squadoosh..

Your right though Gannon was a QB in the Pettibone year..

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

for the record (like anyone cares)

I have decided "chris larry" is the nice guy rational conversationalist while random "ChRiS LaRry" is the F bomb throning argumentative A-hole...

Just so you can keep it straight....

F ChRIS LarRy

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article on the LB class. No mention of Rivers.

http://www.lindyssports.com/content.php?id=2200

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

cL, if you want to throne 'em, throne 'em.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman, interesting stuff about Jared Mayo. That site had a link to another site, that had an interesting little thought process about why the Skins should pick Talib (assuming Albert is not available). I did not realize that Talib is bigger than Springs.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/storyonly/2008/4/7/194023/5858

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Heyer. I hope he proves me wrong but it wouldn't surprise me at all if he doesn't make the team this year if the 'skins first pick is a tackle. Too many ifs to make that prediction.

Anyone else concerned that our new D-coordinator wants a pocket collapsing tackle? I'm guessing Monty and Golston don't fit the bill.

I'm sorry. I'm not yet optimistic. Too many question marks for this team.

The good:
22 returning starters
schedule includes NFC west
modern offense

The bad:
Injuries to Rogers and MacIntosh
new offense
1st time play caller
steep learning curve for head coach
age at key positions
depth
early schedule

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I misspelled Mr. Mayo's first name, Jerod. [insert joke about 'hold the mayo' and offensive holding calls].

skinfanman, from that Lindy's site, I remember reading the Skins having a visit with Beau Bell from UNLV, who that site projects in the 4th round.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Hey....Duane Thomas is really Duane Brown of VT. Never heard of a Duane Thomas...2nd time you've called him that. NP, just thought I'd let you know. Thanks for the updates!

Posted by: Hokie-Skin in Charlotte | April 18, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else concerned that our new D-coordinator wants a pocket collapsing tackle? I'm guessing Monty and Golston don't fit the bill.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM

Maybe its disinformation by Blache ... not for the consumption of Big Media, but instead for Monty and Golsten (i.e., step it up guys and do it NOW).

On the other hand, massive pocket collapsing does seem like the secret to how that team that one team that just won the Super Bowl was able to defeat the other team (the undefeated one).

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

dc,

I wouldn't mind seeing the 'skins getting in the Jared Allen sweepstakes for pocket collapsing pash rush. If Allen thinks the Vikes and Bucs are contenders who knows what he'd think about the 'skins.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else concerned that our new D-coordinator wants a pocket collapsing tackle? I'm guessing Monty and Golston don't fit the bill.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM

You could probably fill in 31 other teams in the NFL, and they'd want the same thing. They could be looking for the replacement for Griffin.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

We have more depth at O-Line than most NFL teams.
4 Proven Starters at Tackle: Samuels, Jansen, Wade, Heyer
3 Proven Starters at Guard: Kendall, Thomas, Fabini

L. Alexander can fill in as another back up guard

So the only need is a back up center.

Can be had in Round 5. We need WR and D-Line picks in the early rounds

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It occurred to me that, by pointing out Allen's booze-related suspension risks, peeps might misunderstand me. I am pro-Jared too (notwithstanding his insufficiently anti-Strahan position in those Subway commercials). But more than Jared Allen (or Chad Johnson), my druthers would be to trade Six Flags over P.G. County in order to be able to land Anquan Bolden.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

anon, don't kid yourself, they need to draft OL, and do it early.

Saw a piece last night on the DT's in this upcoming draft. Casserly was on, saying that he loves Trevor Laws, but that he wouldn't touch Dre Moore.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

To me, The modern day NFL D-line is about a deep and varied rotation...I think Blanche wants more quality bodies, not as a slight to Monty/Goldy but the admission that he wants a deep cycle of guys, and Monty/Goldy arent strong at the pass rush part of the game...

but what do I know...

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else concerned that our new D-coordinator wants a pocket collapsing tackle? I'm guessing Monty and Golston don't fit the bill.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM

I think that while Golston and Montgomery are both good, and certainly have played beyond expectations in relation to their draft selection, neither seem like they'll be a dominant force year after year. I think Golston will be a very good rotational player, and Monty will be a very good secondary interior lineman. If/when Griffin leaves this squad, I think you'll see both of those players look very ordinary on the line. I think Monty could be an excellent complimentary piece to a dominant lineman, a Peerless Price to an Eric Moulds if you will, but asking him to take over the constant double-team work that Griffin normally handles may be asking a bit much. Rather than seeing it as a shot to Golston/Monty, I see the need for an interior lineman as a replacement for Griff, in order to maintain status quo on interior of the line.

Posted by: psps23 | April 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman, interesting stuff about Jared Mayo. That site had a link to another site, that had an interesting little thought process about why the Skins should pick Talib (assuming Albert is not available). I did not realize that Talib is bigger than Springs.

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/storyonly/2008/4/7/194023/5858

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:15 AM

Interesting article. Qualms I have with Talib: 1. Jordy Nelson had him for lunch. 2. Generally, a CB taken in round 1 should have blazing speed. The Skins have been emphasizing speed in the backfield, so I'm doubting they'll take him. There's others with better speed they can take later and coach up, maybe.

http://www.gbnreport.com/2007cbs.html

Agree CB is a need, but figure in 2009 Smoot and Rogers are the starters, and Torrence is depth.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"We have more depth at O-Line than most NFL teams.
4 Proven Starters at Tackle: Samuels, Jansen, Wade, Heyer
3 Proven Starters at Guard: Kendall, Thomas, Fabini"

Then two years down the road we lose Jansen, Wade, Kendall, Thomas, and Fabini, and you'll see Samuels on the decline. The draft is about the future, and this needs to be addressed now. Otherwise you'll see this team drop right back into the cellar.

Posted by: psps23 | April 18, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what Springs' 40 time was when he was a draft prospect.

skinfanman, thx for the second link ... I'm thinking that guy ranked as the #51 CB get into alot of fights about his name.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

psp, we're in agreement, which is rare. Kendall is gone after this year, contract wise, so his replacement needs to be drafted a week from tomorrow. If Chris Williams is there, I'd draft him, and put him in the slot when Jansen is done, which may, or may not be sooner than we expect.

OL is a need, no doubt...

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Hey....Duane Thomas is really Duane Brown of VT. Never heard of a Duane Thomas...2nd time you've called him that. NP, just thought I'd let you know. Thanks for the updates!

Posted by: Hokie-Skin in Charlotte | April 18, 2008 11:20 AM

Duane Thomas was a running back for Dallas in the early 70s. He was very smoothe. Helped them beat Miami in the SB. Famous quote about the SB, "If this game is so big how come they're playing another one next year?"

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

i like landry and all but is anyone out there dissapointed as i am that we passed on adrian peterson the most dominant offensive player in the league for an above average safety. any thoughts?

Posted by: mark | April 18, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

So I'm thinking I might be able to have the intergoogles help me find Springs' 40 time around the time he was drafted (I'm thinking that 8 track tapes where still modern technology in those days) ... and the search bar auto-prompts me to "shawn springs divorce" ... which I then follow to ES, who has stuff in late February about him selling his house and lots of people saying it was because he is getting a divorce. Where is Lisa with the info on this? Didn't he (actually, I guess the missus) just welcome a first born? a baby boy?

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

And how about a shout-out for Rabach, the linchpin of this line? Nary a mention, which I take as a sign that he's universally considered to be rock-solid.

Aside from a little concern about snap logistics (forcing Campbell to sit on the ground to receive a snap; "cod clearance") Rabach is not on the list of things to worry about.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

skinfanman, from that Lindy's site, I remember reading the Skins having a visit with Beau Bell from UNLV, who that site projects in the 4th round.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:18 AM

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=33379

7th round, maybe.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe the draft is so close, I completely lost track of the days. I'm betting we draft 8 pro bowlers and 1 backup QB who we trade away for a first round pick three years down the road. No doubt in my mind.

Posted by: psps23 | April 18, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

^^^^And how about a shout-out for Rabach, the linchpin of this line? Nary a mention, which I take as a sign that he's universally considered to be rock-solid.^^^


The problem is the rocks are not solid enough. They're too low hangy

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

mark, maybe I'm nuts, but I would take LaRon ten times out of ten over Peterson. The dude is a great RB, granted, but it's LaRon for me.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Mark,

Surely you jest.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

i like landry and all but is anyone out there dissapointed as i am that we passed on adrian peterson the most dominant offensive player in the league for an above average safety. any thoughts?

Posted by: mark | April 18, 2008 11:50 AM

disappointed mark, it was a need thing. Clinton Portis threw a touchdown pass and the D picked off two passes when the Skins held your most dominant offensive player to no TDs and 27 yards. If the Skins had picked AP, then Vikes would have picked Landry. Skins would have been redundant at RB and Landry would have picked off CP.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

LaRon was the right pick. The skins had 3 quality running backs on the roster. And he made the transition to Free Saftey brilliantly after the Reaper's death.

Posted by: etrod | April 18, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman, thx for the second link ... I'm thinking that guy ranked as the #51 CB get into alot of fights about his name.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 11:41 AM

They should take him in the 7th just to hear his name called.

The CB who intrigues me is Brandon Flowers. The only knock on him is his 40 time. But if you watch tape he is a player. Now I only saw what Mayock showed, but he looked great. Great tackler and great ball hawk. Too much of a reach at 21, however, especially given the Skins' needs.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Considering the fast growing importance of Safety (just look at the TE and pass catching backs in the NFC East alone...)and the unforseen ST tradegy.....plus the depth at RB...plus the gimpy injury history of AP...I am A-OK with The Ron as last years pick....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

sk.fn.mn, I have this recollection that Brandon Flowers has some history with the law or rambunctious behavior or some such.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with the Skins taking dirty thirty last year.

Posted by: jm220 | April 18, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown

Not Duane Thomas

Other then that it was a good article. I enjoyed it.

Posted by: RIV | April 18, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

sknfnmn, that link to Beau Bell and the news clips thereabouts demonstrate exactly why people put too much credence on the pre-draft single day performances (like Pro Days and the Combine). Sounds exactly like the guy hurt his knee and didn't have time to heal and performed as such. [I'm waiting for peeps to start calling him lazy and fat.] Other than Landry, the other draft choice to make the roster was the Skins FIFTH round choice, Blades. I'm sayin goodonya to the Skins for having Bell come in for a visit.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

sk.fn.mn, I have this recollection that Brandon Flowers has some history with the law or rambunctious behavior or some such.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:05 PM

So do I, but let's not go there.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Easy to get them mixed up -- a feller named Duane Thomas DID play for the Skins, as well as the Cowboys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Thomas

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying don't take Bell, but they may be able to take him in the 7th. I'm thinking in the 5th or 6th they can take Andrew Crummey, OG out of Maryland who was also banged up and couldn't work out at the combine.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Easy to get them mixed up -- a feller named Duane Thomas DID play for the Skins, as well as the Cowboys.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Thomas

Posted by: | April 18, 2008 12:19 PM

I'd forgot he played for the Skins. My recollection is he was the one who called Tom Landry a "plastic man."

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying don't take Bell, but they may be able to take him in the 7th. I'm thinking in the 5th or 6th they can take Andrew Crummey, OG out of Maryland who was also banged up and couldn't work out at the combine.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 12:21 PM

Crummey's projected as a 6th or 7th round pick right now. Personally I would love to see a draft where they get Duane Thomas in the 2nd after a trade down and Chad Rhinehart, the Guard out of Northern Iowa, in the fifth. Of course throw in Owen Schmitt with the 3rd comp, Jerome Simpson with an early 3rd from a trade down, and the best corner available with one of their 2nd's acquired in a trade down for Joe Flacco.

Because if the Chiefs trade Jared Allen then they might take Brohm at 17, which could be good or bad, but it might be good since it'll scare the teams behind the Dolphins that all the quality QB prospects will be gone when they pick (ie Flacco and Henne) in turn teams will look for a trade with the Redskins since they'll offer the 21st pick at a sort of discount where they'll only need to get an early 2nd and 3rd, maybe a 6th for good measure..After that they can find a stopgap at OLB in Alvin Bowen during the 7th.

Posted by: RIV | April 18, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Health, age, and quality depth are all issues with the OL. I like the starters, but they are all 30 or over. The Skins biggest need is to draft for OL depth this year. I expect them to use the mid-round (3-6) picks on at least one G (possibly 2), RT, and a C. Players who may not be immediate starters -- however they could be inactive, learn this year, and work their way into the ST lineup later in the season. I could see them using the 1st round pick on Albert if he's somehow available at #21.

Heyer is an excellent backup T who may be able to start at LT or RT in a few years. I think Lorenzo is the Pucillo replacement as a backup G/C and ST player. Fabini and Wade are excellent veteran G/T backups, but they are also over 30.

I don't know much about Geisinger (6-3, 322), Washington (6-3, 320), or Sampson (6-4, 312), but they are vets, look huge on paper, and will probably complete in camp this year for backup G/T with Wade, Fabini, and the draft picks.

Posted by: Siris | April 18, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

This here doesn't identify any "character issues" with Brandon Flowers.

http://www.newerascouting.com/profiler/viewprofile.php?id=108

Am I wrong in remembering something untoward about Flowers? [Other than, after working out, his sweats give new meaning to the phrase "smells like flowers"?]

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Answering my own question, I found it ... and it appears to be a bogus label. Sorry, Mr. Flowers.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=4061

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Crummey
Duane Thomas
Chad Rhinehart

How big are these guys?

I want road graders.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

We need a stud guard...I mean a big 6'6" ugly dude with something to prove. Maybe somebody from Middle Colorado Tech.

Speaking of which, whoever scouted Chris Cooley at Utah State should get a medal. Where is Utah State?

Posted by: sicwidit | April 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of which, whoever scouted Chris Cooley at Utah State should get a medal. Where is Utah State?

Posted by: sicwidit | April 18, 2008 1:00 PM

I believe it's in SE Kansas.

Posted by: etrod | April 18, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

i like landry and all but is anyone out there dissapointed as i am that we passed on adrian peterson the most dominant offensive player in the league for an above average safety. any thoughts?

Posted by: mark | April 18, 2008 11:50 AM

i see your point about AP, but the comparison might look different in 10 years. also, to be fair, laundry was way above average for a rookie.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 18, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

sic, agreed. Not just one either. I'm not so concerned with height, as I am with size. The Redskins, IIRC, had one of the smallest OL in the NFL last year. Give me 5 big baddies, and they'll ROLL over the Defense come the 4th quarter.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Utah State is in Logan, UT.

http://www.usu.edu/

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

i like landry and all but is anyone out there dissapointed as i am that we passed on adrian peterson the most dominant offensive player in the league for an above average safety. any thoughts?

Posted by: mark | April 18, 2008 11:50 AM

Spoken like someone who learned everything he knows about football from "Madden".

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we please start making our jokes and attacks public and named, various AnonS...? Mark threw a topic out there, come correct with a name...own your insults!

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

and so what if he did, many professionals (pilot, engineers, electricians, scientists) are using simulations and games to learn....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Hockey... uhhgg - Sorry, wrong thread.

------------------------

The bad:
Injuries to Rogers and MacIntosh
new offense
1st time play caller
steep learning curve for head coach
age at key positions
depth
early schedule

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:16 AM

Call me naive (actually, don't call me names, I'm not thick skined like CL) but I am not concerned with 1st time play caller. I think that Chris Meidt was brought in to help with this area. This guy is the wild card in the coaching staff.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Not a knock on AP, but give some credit to part of the Vikings OL.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Spoken like someone who learned everything he knows about football from "Madden".

Posted by: | April 18, 2008 1:12 PM

telltale sam[cubed] attack

Posted by: not sam[cubed] | April 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Also, getting some better pass rushing from the DE will help the interior line push the pocket. I think Monty will do fine if teams have to be more concerned with both of our DEs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

If everyone knew then, what they know now, Adrian Peterson would of been the first pick in the 2007 draft.

Saying the Skins should of taken AD is retarded, because the Raiders would of taken AD first. Al Davis loves fast, flashy players - AD is a beast.

RB for the Skins is stable. Portis takes a lot of pounding because of his physical playing style.

Posted by: SkinsSucks | April 18, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

i like landry and all but is anyone out there dissapointed as i am that we passed on adrian peterson the most dominant offensive player in the league for an above average safety. any thoughts?

Posted by: mark | April 18, 2008 11:50 AM

There is no real way to evaluate and compare two positions that are so uniquely different. Running back is considered to be the easiest position to come into the NFL at and make an immediate impact. A running back learns the offensive blocking schemes and plays, and then uses his natural ability to run where the holes are, as quickly as possible. In most cases, the pro position is very similar to what is played in college. On the contrary, defensive backfield (safety and cornerback) are difficult positions to pick up quickly. A rookie DB has to learn the entire defense, all of the play calls, all of the coverages, the tendencies of all the QBs, WRs, and RBs in the league, and then make split-second decisions incorporating all the information that, when done incorrectly, can result in huge gains or points scored against your team. There is a significant difference between playing a DB position in college versus the pro game.

A running back can learn the pro game in a few months; a DB typically takes 2-3 years before the information is learned and utilized most of the time. As great a talent as Sean Taylor was, he was just really coming into his own in his 4th year as a pro. Would you have traded Sean Taylor to Minnesota for Adrian Peterson after the draft last year?

If you come back and evaluate these picks against each other in about 3 more years, you will be able to make a fair assessment about which pick was better. Until then, you have possibly already seen Peterson near the peak of his skills. But the chances are very good that you will see the performance of LaRon Landry improve steadily for the next 2-3 years from a very good starting point.

Given everything we know now, Landry was the correct pick.

Posted by: tafka | April 18, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

AP has injury issues. L2 injures people.

FIN.


Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

There is also no way to know how Adrian Peterson would have done trying to run behind the O-Line that was the Redskins in 2007 either. Given AP's injury history at Oklahoma, there is no guarantee he would have survived a week running behind Fabini and Wade.

Posted by: tafka | April 18, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsSucks | April 18, 2008 1:35 PM

and so do you (even more so)

-PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SkinsSucks | April 18, 2008 1:35 PM

and so do you (even more so)

-PDX

Good one, l2 personal attack (better).

Posted by: SkinsSucks | April 18, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Landry over Peterson?

Ahem...

Nate, I love me some Landry too, but this is truly a stretch. That dude, Adrian Peterson, is going to score a lot of TOUCHDOWNS over his career.

How you can justify passing up on a stud like that is beyond me; Peterson is a guy you build an entire team around, a cornerstone.

Gotta love Landry, but come on, get with it!

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

hmm... more than one PDX out there!

awesome.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Also, getting some better pass rushing from the DE will help the interior line push the pocket. I think Monty will do fine if teams have to be more concerned with both of our DEs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 1:23 PM

You know, Curzon, I think about this every time someone brings up the issue about drafting a DT instead of a DE. When you have two excellent DEs bringing outside pressure on the pass rush, it often requires the OL to shift their blocking assignments to the outside, leaving single coverage on the inside. That alone will make the DTs more effective as pass rushers who can collapse the pocket. Yes, there needs to be a plan in place to replace Griffin soon, but the current rotation of Griffin/Golston/Montgomery is solid. However, at DE, other than Carter, what current Redskin DE could start for any other team in the NFL on every down? That would be "Nobody". Vinny talks about Marcus filling in on pass rush, but Marcus is close to the end of his useful career also.

It is just amazing to me that the Redskins continue to ignore their lack of talent at DE. Let's just hope that all the DT talk this year has just been a smokescreen to conceal real intentions for drafting a starting DE.

Posted by: tafka | April 18, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Chia Pet, I'm only one of many who said Landry over AP.

We have dudes who can score touchdowns when things are clicking. Given the same O line (for guesstimaparison purposes only), is AP that much better than CP? Not in my book.

Also, RBs come and go. So often we've seen a couple of great seasons and then poof!

Give me the monstrously gifted dude in Landry who with LFB is the centerpiece of our D and will be so for years and years. I stand by it. Also, it doesn't matter much, does it?

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I am a big fan of PDX, too.

Posted by: tafka | April 18, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Crummey
Duane Thomas
Chad Rhinehart

How big are these guys?

I want road graders.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 12:50 PM

Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown. Lol, anyway Brown and Crummy get by on finnese, but Brown has an excellent frame and is very athletic all he needs is the right coach to teach him proper technique, which to me has Joe Bugel written all over him. Apparenly he has one of the highest ceilings of all the OL in the draft, save Albert. Crummy is a technician, not a road grader.

On the other hand Rhinehart definately qualifies as a road grader. Other guys you might want to look into if you're looking for road graders are Roy Schuening, Mike McGlynn (who can play all 5 positions on the line), Chilo Rachel, and Carl Nicks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't sound very smart to build your football team around a running back who missed almost half of his college games due to serious injuries. That sounds like trying to build a passing game on receivers who spend most of their time getting groin and hammy treatments.

Posted by: tafka | April 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Crummey
Duane Thomas
Chad Rhinehart

How big are these guys?

I want road graders.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 12:50 PM

Duane Brown, Duane Brown, Duane Brown. Lol, anyway Brown and Crummy get by on finnese, but Brown has an excellent frame and is very athletic all he needs is the right coach to teach him proper technique, which to me has Joe Bugel written all over him. Apparenly he has one of the highest ceilings of all the OL in the draft, save Albert. Crummy is a technician, not a road grader.

On the other hand Rhinehart definately qualifies as a road grader. Other guys you might want to look into if you're looking for road graders are Roy Schuening, Mike McGlynn (who can play all 5 positions on the line), Chilo Rachel, and Carl Nicks.

Posted by: RIV | April 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

AP has some freakish talent. There were also a few question marks about his health. RBs have a generally less shelf life than other positions in the league. If you're getting one with health baggage anyway (shoulder/collarbone) what makes you think he'll play 10 years?

Hope he does. Hope he makes the Vikes great for years to come (my old man's team). But come on, he's only as good as his line allows him at times. No passing game = Redskins v. Vikes in 07. What did AP do? Thought so.

Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey look! Now we have a fake tafka at 2:03. Excellent!

Posted by: tafka | April 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

AP vs. LaRon....is sort of a silly debate for a myriad of reasons mentioned above (need, injuries, 20/20 hindsight, ST loss, RB Depth, The Ron's amazingness...)

Can we get back to first round busts, or DE vs DT.....WR vs. OL...

Just a suggestion, if you disagree slap me down...

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

that would be jm220's job. I dare not do it in his stead.

Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

It does matter much.

Peterson looks every bit like the monster running back, at this point, maybe evn epic. Portis, although I love the guy, is a shadow of his former self, offensive line issues notwithstanding.

Man for man, in terms of down for down value, Peterson is the guy you should want. Trust me, Jason Campbell would benefit, if nothing else.


Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Chia,

Two names for you. Earl Campbel and Eric Dickerson. Fantastic runners who got nowhere. Landry is a difference maker at safety - free safety - a position he could play for almost 15 years. No contest.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Having said that, I do love LaRon.

Good pick, either way.

How many games does CP last until he tweaks that troublesome knee again? My guess is he gets injured in training camp again, and admirably hobbles through the rest of the season.

I was in the stands at Fed Ex field to see CP break off a big 50 yard gain up the right seam, on his first play as a Redskin.

That was a long time ago. What happened to that explosiveness?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

the original argument was L2 over AP in the draft.

We are not comparing AP to CP.

Chia Pet... it sounds like you have a man-crush on AP. You can always become a Vikings fan.

Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

whateves...we would never have picked AP...the point is irrelevant

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with CL, WAY to early to be having this discussion.

Back to draft discussions....

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Running back is a VERY important position to fill; with a "difference maker."

The running back spends an awful lot of time with the ball in his hands, does he not?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Chia,

Maybe you spend too much time with balls in your...

Whoops sorry stopped myself....but couldn't resist...bad Cl bad...

Posted by: chris larrY | April 18, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

AS far as the "man crush" comment; homophobic barbs are not particularly funny at all, unless you're in junior high school.

A man crush?

LOL!

What's wrong, you all don't like touchdowns?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

or he spends an awful lot of time under dog-piles.
RBs can carry a team in high school and college. Teams have to be a little more balanced in the NFL.

So how about that draft?

Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

That's hillarious, CL.

You said something about my balls!

Ha!

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

man crush does not equal homophobia... and yes I am in junior high school.

Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'll jump into this fray.

Chia, lets say the Redskins DID, draft AP. What would they have done with Portis, and Betts?

Wait, lemme guess, they would have traded Portis/Betts for a draft pick right?? And a high one too I bet....

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

That other guy just said something about me being under a dog pile!

Now, that is funny.

Ha!

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

tafka,
laron landry is no sean taylor.and portis or betts would have had some serious trade value for a veteran safety. Im with you on the defensive end position needing to be filled we should grant miami their wish trade up for cris long and sign him with the money reserved for chad johnson.cris long was unstoppable at Va and eventually will be in the NFL.he plays every down as if its late in the 4th quarter of the super bowl.

Posted by: mark | April 18, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Buzbee, Evans, Huntley, and/or Wilson can step up this year and rotate with Daniels to form an effective DE rush/pass tandem. I agree -- it would take a lot of pressure off the DTs and secondary -- if the DEs were more effective at rushing the passer. Although the inverse is also true: a more effective rush up the middle could rattle the OL and QB; plus turn the DEs and secondary into better defenders...

Either way -- the Skins have to groom replacement for Daniels -- he's 35yrs old and hasn't been very dominant or healthy over the past two years. The Skins should use the 1st or 2nd round draft pick on a DE.

Posted by: Siris | April 18, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

What would we have done with Portis and Betts?

I have no idea.

Let's see how much production we get out of that dynamic duo in 2008.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Chia, lets say the Redskins DID, draft AP. What would they have done with Portis, and Betts?

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 2:24 PM

Greg,

Come on, dude, use your noggin. We would have traded Betts to whatever team drafted Landry, and we would have Landry plus Peterson, with Portis to back him up.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

What would we have done with Portis and Betts?

I have no idea.

Let's see how much production we get out of that dynamic duo in 2008.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:27 PM

See, thats the problem is that you cannot defend your argument. Here is the problem if the Redskins drafted AP.

There is still only ONE ball. Portis, and AD can't both carry the ball at the same time. Not to mention that having signed Betts to an extension, you now have WAY too much money tied up in ONE position. I wont even get into the fact that RB is a position that can be filled later in the draft. See, Grant from GB.

With ST's horrific passing, your safeties now become, Pierson Praylow, and Reed D. That then makes drafting a S a PRIORITY this year, versus drafting the best player on the board at 21.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It must be Fantasy Football Hour.

Posted by: jcook | April 18, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Man crush" is actually not homophobic...its actually admitting straight male attraction....

I have Man Crush on Vince Vaughn...I can admit it and feel ok with myself....

Laron is pretty damn good, emotions aside, we'll see how he stacks up against ST in a couple of years...also with the untimely loss of #21 I am glad as heck The Rons on the team....

again whateves, if the skins had drafted Joe Monatana would we have won more SBs....this is a dumb conversations..

As Ken Beatrice used to quip "IF ifs and buts were candy and Chia Pets Nuts...."

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Good point, Greg.

Just dreaming about scoring touchdowns; having an eye popping running back.

Pure fantasy (and not a gay one), I know.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

CL,

I love you, man.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Back atcha Chia

Posted by: chrIS larry | April 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

You can't have TheRon without Charlize.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I have no problem with that. Its just a hard comparison to make at this point. Didn't AP partially tear his acl last year?

Let just say both guys are great football players, and we're lucky to have one of them.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I have Man Crush on Vince Vaughn...I can admit it and feel ok with myself

What the hell has this blog come too. Not that there is anything wrong with that. lol

Posted by: jm220 | April 18, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Did Greg just end a dispute?
wow... just wow.

chia... its fun to dream (I still dream we had Stephan Davis), but come on, you weren't coming correct.

I'm out. Funny being called "that other guy"

The Dorf abides.

Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

F anybody who posts a comment with someone else's nickname.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, I don't know what came over me.....I'm sorry...I really am...you weren't keeping up with your abiding duties...and look what happens...

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Vince Vaughn is NOT hot.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What helped AP have the incredible season last year was the guy Minn. picked up from Seattle. Look at the differences in both teams running game after that. Unless you are Barry Sanders, you need a line to run behind or you don't have the season that AP had last year.

But as stated above, you cannot have a one dimensional game or you get 27 yds rushing against the Skins.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Please make them stop. Mock drafts this time of year are like gall bladders. Everybody has one, but we can all live without them. The squeegee guy at the Mobil station on Vine has McFadden falling to the Patriots. (He also whispered to me, "Don't sleep on Gholston," but it turns out Gholston is a street in North Hollywood.) Most mock drafts, of course, are based on someone else's mock draft. One of these years one of the handful of guys who actually does his homework has to create a Sidd Finch-type player out of Shippensburg who runs a 4.3 and can do 37 reps at 225 just to see how many other people's mock drafts the guy will make it into.

-kevin hench / foxsports

Posted by: Mock Drafts | April 18, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

JM220 admit your man crush, c'mon.....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I originally thought AP was more of a product of his o-line, but watching him last year for the couple games I saw him in, that man is simply ridiculous. Nobody has the power/speed/quickness combo that he has. Not LT, not Westbrook, not Stephen Jackson, not Larry Johnson. He reminds me of Bo Jackson, only with better vision. Peterson is one-of-a-kind. Now, if only he could stay healthy...

And even with saying all that, I'd still take LL over AP if we could do it all over again.

Posted by: psps23 | April 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the Redskins should expend all this year's draft picks on the O-line?

Sounds crazy, but you could revamp the entire mechanism in one fell swoop; with a little luck for Vinny.

Get it over with.

Have one wild card pick which we use on a WR and that's it.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to fashion a joke/metaphor about Mock Drafts being more fun to participate in than to watch/read...but got nuttin, anybody else want to jump in. I know Chris ZZ is one funny cat....

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CL I don't have a man crush on anyone.

Posted by: jm220 | April 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

dc,

I wouldn't mind seeing the 'skins getting in the Jared Allen sweepstakes for pocket collapsing pash rush. If Allen thinks the Vikes and Bucs are contenders who knows what he'd think about the 'skins.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 18, 2008 11:26 AM

According to Floyd Reese on ESPN radio last night that guy will probably cost a 1st and a 2nd round pick AND he's one big party from being suspended for a year from the league. Not worth the risk IMO although he's a helluva player.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

You would think that anything with the name Mock attached to it would be easy to make fun of.

Kind of like Mock ChRIs Larry.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

No love (er, hate) for Desmond Howard on that list? I might rank him above Westbrook among Skins' busts, because he was seen as this sort of luxury pick coming off the SB but then he amounted to diddly-poo for us as the team imploded... but maybe I'm just mad about that pick, and about how those next seasons unfolded...

Posted by: | April 18, 2008 10:33 AM

Not to mention the skins gave up two first rounders to move up and draft him.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 18, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Desmond Howard did have a pretty good game in that Superbowl he played in.

Too bad it wasn't for the Redskins.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

My buddy has a bunch of Heath Shuler rookie cards; drove all the way to Carlisle to get them personally signed by Heath.

Anyone interested?

WTF?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I really don't understand some one who isn't a scout breaking down a draft prospect to his waist size. I don't know, I say draft smart by according to positions of need, coach em' up, eventually put em' on the field. Thats it. It just too many of these guys who don't pan out. There are about 250 picks in a draft, right? How many of those guys go on to have at least servicable careers? What, about 40-60, if that?

Of course my feelings toward analyzing the draft could be due to my lack of patience of breaking down players to their toe nail width. But I do enjoy reading the post from all the draft fiends and nuts. I mean hell, this was THE first place I heard of Brandon Albert, and now he's all over everyone's radar. Some mocks have him in the top 10!

Who ever made the call on this guy gets MAJOR props from me!

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

JaMarcus Russell will amount to nothing; add him to that list.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

mtn, thanks for the info on Allen, on what the Chiefs are looking for. Good point too on how he's one strike away. My thoughts are no thanks based on those two factors. A first and a second, not to mention the contract that he'd be seeking. Nope, not gon' do it.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Derriere rulz
Briere droolz

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the people that have interest in Jared Allen are also the same ones who oppose Chad Johnson.

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I picked Dre Moore out of a draft list in the newspaper, simply because I like the Terps.

I picked Ryan Scheuning from that same list because he's a Beaver.

I picked Steve Slaton because I saw him play and I know he's a fast jitterbug.

I picked Joe Flacco because I like his name.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No to Allen. KC has the upper hand on that trade. Would cost way too much. I would rather us use our drafts this year on young players, hopefully trading #21 for early 2nd and 3rd rd picks then picking up CJ on a post June 1 trade for a 2nd rd pick next year. This would give us more time to develop our WR pick and use hime as a punt returner. This would help ARE with the number of hits he takes by moving him to the slot where I think he is more dangerous.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Red, I'm against both CJ, and Allen. Giving up ANY draft picks, to me, is too much.

Allen is 25, and would cost way too much in terms of a contract, and draft picks to acquire.

CJ is turning 30, and again, way too much in terms of a draft pick, and way too much of a self absorbed player for a rookie coach, and a young qb.

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse


The Bengals came this close to playing for a championship before Palmer went down with that knee injury; extreme reversal of fortunes.

11-5, to 5-11.

All that firepower on offense to waste.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

use hime as a punt returner

or use him!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 18, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson catches touchdowns on a regular basis.

Is bueno.

No?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson does nifty touchdown dance.

No?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson jumps and catches football in red zone.

No?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson makes them look silly.

No?

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Chia makes an azz of himself.

Yes!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Ch Ch Chia!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I vote no on CJ just because I think both lines are of bigger need than WR, especially a 30 year old malcontent. I would be ok with trading the 1st rounder for Allen but it sounds lke it is gonna cost more than that which kills our chances to get multiple players of need. So pass on that too. This article from ESPN on Allen is pretty interesting from last fall. Always possible the guy could fall off the wagon but it seems like he learned his lesson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3075959

Posted by: cdubb | April 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Greg, at least you're consistent.

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyone of us could fall off the wagon.

I've fallen off the wagon.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I was never on the wagon.

Posted by: Chia Pet | April 18, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

LSD

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

This is becoming a GREAT Caps Insider 2. Thanks for the occasional Caps snippet my man!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Always possible the guy could fall off the wagon but it seems like he learned his lesson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3075959

Posted by: cdubb | April 18, 2008 3:36 PM

Seeing the mess that the Broncos went thru last season with Travis Henry - who I don't think they even traded for - would make me wary of him. He was one strike away and supposedly failed a drug test - his lawyers prevailed and he wasn't suspended but it certainly screwed up their season on offense.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 18, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

how come you guys are never good?

Posted by: nfl | April 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't know a thing about hockey. The only three things that I find entertaining is the checking, fighting, and that horn that sounds everytime a goal is scored.

Whats up with the horn?

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Red,

Come on over to the Caps Insider anytime! You're welcome my friend!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The horn sounds so people who only like hockey for the fighting and checking can claim a third thing as entertaining

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Thanks anon.

I know who the stars are in hockey, but how the game is played is what I'm clueless on. However, if a DC team is playing then I'm psyched about their opportunity. I've been in this area my whole life and desperately want to see a championship trophy of some kind showcased on the streets during a parade. With apologies to my 30 and older brethren, I just can't remember Jan. 93' that well.

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Gee, 4:04 anon, I never knew that. Thanks for sharing that most insightful and moving comment.

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Damn! Well guess it was my turn to break the blog.

I don't know about other places but its a BEAUTIFUL day here in the DC metro area. I suggest everyone get out and enjoy the weather.

Its 84 degrees right now. I'm loving it.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER
by Colin Lindsay, Editor and Publisher, Great Blue North Draft Report
April 16, 2008

In no particular order, here is a brief list of players not considered first round prospects who seem to be showing up on a regular basis on pre-draft team visits:

Miami LB Tavares Gooden... Considered a potentially useful second-day type LB, Gooden began shooting up draft boards around the league when he ran the 40 in around 4.6 seconds at both the combine and his pro day. Gooden is a physical player who gets to the ball in a hurry, but still may be a bit stiff when moving in reverse.

Arkansas State FS Tyrell Johnson... Rising star in a weak secondary class; Johnson has SS size at 6-0, and almost 210 pounds, but also has excellent speed with a 40 clocking in the low 4.4 range; also has underrated ball skills picking off 6 passes in 2007.

Virginia Tech OT Duane Brown... Converted TE with long arms and perhaps the best overall athleticism in this year's OT class with a sub-5.0 40; still raw and needs to be pushed now and again, but has the physical potential to develop into a top LT.

Oregon State OG Roy Schuening... With Virginia's Branden Albert now considered as much an OT prospect, Shuening could be the first OG off the board later this month, possibly as early as the late second round; Schuening is a rugged 310-pounder with decent athleticism who plays hard. And while not necessarily dominant either run or pass blocking Schuening is solid at both facets of the game.

Northern Iowa OG Brandon Keith... Pro scouts watch NIU tapes to check out fellow offensive lineman Chad Rinehart, who more than held his own at this year's Senior Bowl, but come away just as impressed with Keith, a 345-pounder, with surprising quickness and agility for a big man who runs the 40 in under 5.20 seconds. More of a mauler, Keith still is something of a project, but has the tools to develop into a versatile pro who can play either RT or OG.

Arizona State C Mike Pollak... Was invited to the Senior Bowl almost as an afterthought, but may have been the best offesnive lineman in Mobile this year. Indeed, in a very weak year for centers, Pollak is perhaps the only player at the position likely to be taken within the first three years. Pollak isn't huge at just a few ounces over 300 pounds, but he's very quick with a sub-5.0 40 clocking; also a technically solid player who plays hard to the whistle. Other Cs who seem to be attracting some growing late round interest include Jamey Richard of Buffalo and Georgia's Fernando Velasco.

Louisille WR Mario Urrutia... Had all the look of a legitimate first rounder entering the season, but struggled through a very disappointing 2007 season; at 6-6, 232 ith 4.6 speed is still a potential match-up problem at the next level for a team looking for another Marques Colston. After virtually disappearing from the draft radar was in both Cincinnati and Pittburgh for visits this week.

Purdue DE Cliff Avril... Avril, a tweener edge rusher with good strength and a burst is being checked out by just about every 3-4 team in the league as a potential pass rush OLB. Other explosive tweener edge rushers who are getting extra attention from pro teams these days include Marcus Howard of Georgia, Bryan Smith of McNeese State, Curtis Johnson of Clark Atlantic and Hilee Taylor of North Carolina.

Meanwhile, other players on the rise these days appear to include WRs Eddie Royal of Virginia Tech, Donnie Avery of Houston, Will Franklin of Missouri, and Dexter Jackson of Appalachian State, OGs Jeremy Zuttah of Rutgers and Utah State's OG Shawn Murphy, and CBs Tyvon Branch of UConn and Antwuan Molden of Eastern Kentucky.

At the same time, small-school players who have been showng up as invited guests of pro teams include Richmond RB Tim Hightower, OTs Thaddeus Coleman of Mississippi Valley State and Northwest Louisiana's Demetrius Bell, Bentley OG Mackenzie Bernadeau, Montana DE Kroy Bierman, LBs Shane Simmons of Western Washington and Vincent Redd of Liberty, and CBs Brandon Carr of Grand Valley State and Cary Williams of Washburn.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 18, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

skins, thanks for posting, seems like this is a great year to pick up offensive linemen. I like what they had to say about Duane Thomas:
"the best overall athleticism in this year's OT class with a sub-5.0 40"

Posted by: Greg | April 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Love the strong as ox, athletic linemen, but does a 40 time really mean jack? if he pulls, isn't it more about his acceleration and 10 or 15 yard burst to the LB

Posted by: call me crazy | April 18, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

... I mean hell, this was THE first place I heard of Brandon Albert, and now he's all over everyone's radar. ...

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 18, 2008 3:15 PM

Someone here linked to the local Fredricksburg (VA) paper of an article about how Joe Bugel monopolized Albert's chatting time at the UVA Pro-Day ... then Jasno pimped Albert a couple few days later re: a show he was supposed to be on that afternoon. I don't remember when Albert became the blog-consensus-non-plash pick (whether it was before or after the Jasno thread), but the wagons circled around Albert quickly b/c (1) Buges seemed genuinely interested and (2) nothing says "sexy pick" like a guard.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The sports beat reporter for the Fredricksburg Daily Press, Melinda Waldorp, is the writer who sparked Branden Albert's rise in draft stock for the article she wrote on March 18th (which is now, 30 days later, archived and requires payment to read).

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm with CHriS LaRRy...just draft Offensive Linemen.

I just want to see them blow the defense off the ball -- down after down. I want to see ball control and big gains in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

Posted by: Stumped | April 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I've heard that Albert is Way over-rated. His off season workouts have been mostly rib eating contests.

League sources say his work ethic is questionable and that he will probably drop off the map after his first paycheck...(wink, wink).

RIGHT JasNo!


Posted by: Stumped | April 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I've heard that Albert is Way over-rated. His off season workouts have been mostly rib eating contests.

League sources say his work ethic is questionable and that he will probably drop off the map after his first paycheck...(wink, wink).

RIGHT JasNo!

Posted by: Stumped | April 18, 2008 5:01 PM


If they were human ribs off live bodies that qualifies him to be the #1 overall pick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 18, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

did someone say rib eating contest?!?!?! Sign me up!

The five foods I would most want to compete in an eating contest are:

1. Ribs
2. Oysters
3. Wings
4. Mini Sliders
5. Popcorn

Posted by: chrIS larry | April 18, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

It'd be nice to have AP's explosiveness. I keep hoping Portis can do what he did in Denver, but I'm accepting that it's probably not going to happen. Hopefully a better blocking scheme and new offense will help, but I still love me some Landry.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

What is a mini slider, cL?

Posted by: Stumped | April 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Improvement on the OL will help every one on the team. Think about it. Sustained drives keep the defense off the field and keeps them fresh.

Jason Campbell will perform better (as will the receivers) and Portis would benefit perhaps more than anyone.

Sure a defensive player like Landry (a great pick) can make the players around him look better. He can even make a few picks that would give the offense more opportunity, but those opportunities are squandered if the offense doesn't have a strong foundation.

Posted by: Stumped | April 18, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

mini slider = mini hamburger

CP was asked to be a different back in D.C. than he was in Denver....does he bust as many huge runs...no...does he bust up more heads grinding up yards...yes...

Skin haven't gotten back to the promise land since 93...but ridin CP we had two fabulous playoff runs, and even a victory....maybe I am small minded but those CP lead playoff teams provided me with the most fun its been to be a fan since 93.....

And I say thankyee CP!

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

mini sliders. No one can eat just one.

https://webspace.utexas.edu/yw8/pictures/finger%20burger.jpg

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

isn't mini slider actually a pleonasm? a slider, by itself, is a mini hamburger. So a mini mini hamburger, then?

Posted by: mile high | April 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of CP - Yeah, he may not have broken those long runs he did while out here (kinda like up here), but he has put the team on his back on multiple occasions and ground out tought tough yards, knowcked people's heads off blocking and has really been a stand up guy his entire Skins career. I've got nothing but complete respect for the dude and love watching him play.

Posted by: mile high | April 18, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

u may be right mile high.....but whateves I'll gladly gobble both!

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

And it looks like we're already past the AP/LL debate...

Looks like this is the draft to get some bruisers on the line. I would love to go back to real Skins football pounding it down the other team's throat. I've defintely got a man-crush on those kind of linemen.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 18, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

no doubt, CL!

Posted by: mile high | April 18, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Both Mike Mayock and Charles Rogers (Path To The Draft) started singing Brandon Albert's praises after the Pro Day. Both of them moved him into their Top 5 picks.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if i'm wrong, but his natural position is guard, right? Why does everyone think he'll be a brilliant left tackle? Did he play any tackle at UVA?

Posted by: mile high | April 18, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Caps in 7, baby! Gotta believe!

Posted by: OLIE | April 18, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Wizards and Caps in playoff games tomorrow, at the same time. Wow...just wow. Would they do that to any other city? I'll be at the Caps game, as some tickets have recently become available. Can't lose it at home right?

Oh yeah, Merling, Nelson, Albert, Sweed, Otah. CJ, Jared from Subway, and Pacman. Make it so, Mr. Snyder!

Posted by: SMACK | April 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Went to Game 5 yesterday at the Shark Tank. Sharks 4 Flames 3. No voice left. Chechoo rocks.

Posted by: AL, Zeke, etc | April 18, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Both Mike Mayock and Charles Rogers (Path To The Draft) started singing Brandon Albert's praises after the Pro Day. Both of them moved him into their Top 5 picks.

Posted by: Lisa | April 18, 2008 5:51 PM

Actually Mayock has liked him ever since the whole draft process started after the Super Bowl. I don't know what happened, but something other then Mayock's praise sent Albert flying into a new stratosphere.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

This thing on?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 18, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

watching Mets vs. Phillies....in philly...Jose Reyes slid head first into a knee...is hurt...crowd cheered when he was hurt...booing when he got up...booed when it took awhile to decide if he was staying in game...

wow typical classy philly fans...35,000 in stadium cant be wrong....philly fans are...how do I say this...without class.

Of course Wright tripled, scoring Reyes....that Karma, sure is a beatch!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

whoops! above was me

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if i'm wrong, but his natural position is guard, right? Why does everyone think he'll be a brilliant left tackle? Did he play any tackle at UVA?

Posted by: mile high | April 18, 2008 5:53 PM

He played 33 (not sure why I remember that) games at guard and two at tackle. Not sure about left or right on either, but he was the pulling guard, or at least they used to pull with him out in front alot.

Posted by: dcsween | April 18, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Rated as the #50 best steal of all time in the NFL draft.

RB Brian Westbrook (Villanova)
Drafted by: Eagles, third round, No. 91 overall, 2002
The Eagles were in need of a running back and made the wise decision to pass on guys such as William Green and Ladell Betts in the first two rounds. Westbrook led the league in total yards from scrimmage a year ago and has recently been the Eagles' most consistent offensive weapon.

Posted by: Draft Steve Slaton | April 18, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse


In 2004 the Redskins selected one Taylor Jacobs with the 44th overall pick, passing up on guys like Osi Umenyora and Anquan Boldin,
who went at 56 and 54 respectively.

Posted by: Bad Choice in 2004 | April 18, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

c'mon its friday nite, keep it lite! your making me depressed

Posted by: chris larry | April 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

In 2002, the Washington Redskins select Patrick Ramsey in the first round at the 32 spot and WR Cliff Russel at 87.

Safety Andre Lott and center Jeff Grau are selected in the later rounds.

Posted by: Bad Choice in 2002 | April 18, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

In 2006, the Washington Redskins select Rocky MacIntosh in round 2 at #35, passing up on guys like Devin Hester at #57, Darryl Tapp, Maurice Jones Drew, and Joe Klopfenstein.

Posted by: Bad Choice in 2006 | April 18, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

In 2005, the Washington Redskins select Carlos Rodgers with the #7 pick, whiffing on Shawne Merriman and DeMarcus Ware.

With the 25th pick, the Redskins select the venerable Jason Campbell, while Derek Anderson falls to the Ravens in round six at #213 overall.

Posted by: Bad Choice in 2005 | April 18, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't people make the same excuses for Derek Anderson that they still make for Jason Campbell?

Derek has bounced around between two teams, was initially considered a long shot, and earned a right to be the starting quarterback of the Browns.

Why has Jason Campbell been anointed the quarterback of the future for the Washington Redskins when he's not even the best quarterback on their roster?

Posted by: Todd Collins | April 18, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Todd Collins:

I know starting QB's, and you, sir, are no starting QB.

Posted by: Analyst | April 18, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

The redskins trade out of the first and gets Baltimore's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks.

2. Quentin Groves DE/LB
2. Duane Brown LOT
3. Kendall Langford DE/DT
3. Jerome Simpson WR
3. Steve Justice C
4. John Greco OG/C/ROT
5. Zachary Bowman CB
6. Marcus Howard DE/LB
7. Kevin O'Connell QB
7. Safety
7. LB


Posted by: Trading Down with Baltimore | April 18, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, someone's trying to drum up a QB controversy again, now? Ugh.

Yeah, so, like, Todd Collins made the best of the opportunity last season, and we all enjoyed the ride, well, up until he didn't really look so hot in the playoff game anyway, and what a revelation that he had a grasp on Al Saunders' offense and all that, but don't you think there was a reason he didn't start an NFL football game for TEN FREAKING YEARS?

The fun times were fun, and we'll never forget how toddaly toddtastic the last month of the season was, but let's be real about this. Please.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 18, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

I love that this dude Duane has repeatedly had his last name screwed up, up here, even after numerous corrections.

I also just love the name "Duane."

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

nate in the pdx, it looks like it's just you and me!

Posted by: Hugh Gerection | April 19, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

"The redskins trade out of the first and gets Baltimore's 2nd, 3rd, and 4th picks."

This is of course because Vinny Cerato is also offering a big bag of mushrooms to go with the trade.

Why would Baltimore do this? The value in this draft is in rounds 2 and 3 and yet B'more will trade 3 picks to move up what 15 spots.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I love me some pedal steel...

Posted by: Duane | April 19, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Thank goodness only one more week 'til the draft. Then we can start working on our mock drafts for '09.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I've often pushed the value of rounds 2 and 3, but keep in mind that the best players are usually drafted in the first round (they just cost a lot more). The draft is pretty efficient at ranking the best players, its just that the top end of the first round get crazy money.

Value and performance are two different things. That's why the 21 isn't so bad. If it were much higher, I'd be begging to trade down. As it is, we should get an impact player without spending crazy money.

Posted by: Stumped | April 19, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Draft and draft should go together.
Anybody got a good drink game to kind of help the NFL proceedings along?

Posted by: Stumped | April 19, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

21 is great spot for a future o-line starter.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

That would be draught in this side of the world. Those damn imperialists (wink, wink, Redcoat) got here first and now Americans are ordering Drawht Beer. It's embarassing.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins will find a way to screw up the #21 pick.

Posted by: Bad Choice in 2008 | April 19, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

this LSD is pretty potent

Posted by: sugar | April 19, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

If it was real LSD you were taking, you would not be talking about how it was "pretty potent."

Posted by: not real LSD | April 19, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

+++I've heard that Albert is Way over-rated. His off season workouts have been mostly rib eating contests.++++

Doesn't matter. He'll be long gone by the time the 'skins pick. as will the name brand OTs, the Longs, Williams, Cladys, Otahs, etc. which, experts think thre will be a run on early.

Skins need to take best payer available at 21 in a need position--there's only 5-6 need positions, then draft wisely for linemen the rest of the way. Yeah, draft wisely. That's the ticket. Yeeeeech


Posted by: corkczar | April 19, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm smarter than Jason Campbell.

My footwork is better.

My timing is better.

People like Nate in the PDX need to show me more respect. I deserve it.

Posted by: Todd Collins | April 19, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Please, let's not waste that first round pick on Limas Sweed, Malcolm Kelly, or James Hardy.

OL or DL at #21.

Please!

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Todd,

Don't forget older - much older.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Bang,

Ya got me. I'm an old dude.

You have to admit, though, I really did bring the team to life in those last four games. Wasn't it nice to see balls thrown to the right receivers at the right point in the route progressions?

It was exiting for me, at any rate.

Posted by: Todd Collins | April 19, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Exiting indeed.

outta here.

Posted by: Stumped | April 19, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say exciting.

What is with you people?

I'm on your team!

Posted by: exciting | April 19, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

@ Todd Collins (10:17 p.m.):

So, what you're saying is, because it took Derek Anderson a few years to become a good quarterback, it follows that we should not give Campbell any more time to develop into a franchise quarterback? That is an interesting argument.

Posted by: A Fly Moses | April 19, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Derek and Jason were drafted in the same year.

Different growth progression so far, you have to admit.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Todd Collins | April 19, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

First round busts at WR since 1994:

OJ McDuffie
JJ Stokes
Michael Westbrook
Thomas Lewis
Yatil Green
Rae Carruth
Marcus Nash
Peter Warrick
Travis Taylor
Sylvester Morris
Taylor Jacobs
RJ Soward
David Terrell
Koren Robinson
Rod Gardner
Ashley Lelie
Javon Walker
Charles Rogers
Roy Williams
Rashaun Woods
Lee Evans
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
Roddy White
Troy Williamson

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

My bad!

Taylor Jacobs was a 2nd round bust.

Add Dwayne Jarrett to that list, though.

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 2:33 AM | Report abuse

This motorcycle is hard to control.

Posted by: Duane Allman | April 19, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

AP has injury issues. L2 injures people.

FIN.


Posted by: Dorf | April 18, 2008 1:47 PM

Probably the best post ever made, IMHO.

Dorf, I bought a "The Dude Abides" t-shirt. You'da been proud.

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

T. J. Houshmandzadeh was picked in the seventh round, #204, and is arguably a better player than Chad Johnson, who was picked in round 2 of that same year, #36 overall.

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Adrian Peterson does not have injury "issues."

The man sustained one bad hit to the knee late last season.

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Redskins should trade out of the first round, if needed; stock up on O Line and D Line.

Look for that sleeper at WR in the later rounds.

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Resist the temptation to throw away valuable draft picks for Chad Johnson.

Good player, but at too high a cost.

We have more pressing needs.

F Chad Johnson. F the Bengals.

Posted by: No WR at 21 | April 19, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

This motorcycle is hard to control.

Posted by: Duane Allman | April 19, 2008 2:38 AM


LMGO!!!

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Pedal steel for Duane Allman? He played slide (electric) guitar mostly.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

"The rest of the story to be written will now depend on whether Peterson can avoid the injuries that cut short his high school and college careers. Be it a twisted ankle his sophomore year at Oklahoma or the collarbone injury this past season, the biggest concern about Peterson is whether he'll hold up."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-peterson041207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: Bug . . .James Bug | April 19, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

"The rest of the story to be written will now depend on whether Peterson can avoid the injuries that cut short his high school and college careers. Be it a twisted ankle his sophomore year at Oklahoma or the collarbone injury this past season, the biggest concern about Peterson is whether he'll hold up."

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-peterson041207&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Posted by: Bug . . .James Bug | April 19, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

This blog is broken.

Very sad to see what's happening.

Some insightful comments here; agree with "No WR at 21," but, for the most part, this forum has been rent asunder. No continuity without registration.

Cindy, please help?

Posted by: boycott the blog | April 19, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

Loseable Type SUCKS!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

What the heck is going with registration?

This blog has been ruined.

Sad...

Posted by: boycott the blog | April 19, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm out.

See you all when registration gets turned back on.

Posted by: boycott the blog | April 19, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

Bye! Thanks for stopping by!

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Shoot, it was just 4:20am and there's no bigmurf around? What gives?

Hello?

Crickets?

Nite, y'all. I experienced an earthquake last night.

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Hey TDawg!

Cool stuff on the earthquakes there in Indiana. Stay safe - stand in a doorway when things start shaking, or crawl under a desk. (We prefer to run outside, well clear of buildings, but the "experts" don't recommend that.)

We hope you get your wish of Hardy in the draft but we don't see it happening unless the Skins trade down. Since Cerrato seems to be playing extra sneaky this year, we think he has Merling, a CB, Hardy and Nelson on his short list of early picks, but it will all depend on what pick positions he ends up with.

Take care!

Posted by: The Crickets | April 19, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Why would Baltimore do this? The value in this draft is in rounds 2 and 3 and yet B'more will trade 3 picks to move up what 15 spots.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2008 12:31 AM

Actually in this scenario, the Ravens will only be given up a 3rd and 4th as the Ravens would get the Skins #21 pick. According to the trade value chart invented by Jimmy Johnson, this trade actually favors the Ravens value wise. The Ravens would move back into the first to get one of the top 4 QB presumably, and the Skins would trade down and get better value with their picks. This could happen.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 19, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

According to this morning's Washington Post, Jason Campbell is meeting the expectations of Coach Zorn, while also inspiring his teammates with his professionalism and leadership abilities. Again I have to say all those who are willing to trade Jason Campbell before he gets a chance in this system are foolish.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 19, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Man, what is up with this blog? I just read Janso's ode to his friend and mentor, and people are trashing him left and right.

If people don't find Jasno's blog informational, why come here in the first place? And why all of the blatant disrespect? Go away and let the people who want to be here have fun and comment in peace.

P.S. Still looking for a buyer of 2 season tix.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | April 19, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I am broken.

Posted by: Blog | April 19, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Registration will be returning soon to the blog, I promise. In fact, I guarantee.
As far as the Doodlebops go, can't Jasno and Chloe just wait for the Scorsese film?

Posted by: Cindy | April 19, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

My liitle Bro just chatted up Jason Campbell at Caps game! Guess he supports Caps!

Go Caps!

Caps rule
Hocket Haters drool!

Posted by: chris larry | April 19, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

CL, some of us (well me) are not able to comprehend more than three sports (and I say that still not able to fully follow baseball), so you have to give us a break. I drool for other reasons than cause I hate hockey.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 19, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

no quarter given, I juggle many sports and pop culture, its easy...

Posted by: chris larry | April 19, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

yes, I noticed that no quarter is given. just wanted to be clear on why I drool.

out to shop with mrs. Curzon. luck to the caps!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 19, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

enjoy shopping...!!!!!!

Posted by: chris larry | April 19, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

chris larry: 10-minute misconduct penalty

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"If people don't find Jasno's blog informational, why come here in the first place? And why all of the blatant disrespect? Go away and let the people who want to be here have fun and comment in peace."

Because some people end up posting relevant Skins information from all over the net. So the site still functions as an insider of sorts it's just that the main guy posting probably lost his source after Byner left.

Posted by: RIV | April 19, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

True, the loss of Byner is lamentable for Jasno...

Cerrato and Snyder are notoriously tight lipped, and would not tolerate any "unauthorized" leaks from their staff. Any information that is indeed passed Jasno's way, will be "inside" information in name only.

Jasno needs to do a better job of infiltrating the hierarchy at Redskins Park; perhaps focus his energy on wooing some low level staffer, or some intern or another with incidental access to sensitive information.

He may also want to talk to Wilbon and Kornheiser about how to develop new leads. These guys know all the tricks.

Posted by: More than one source? | April 19, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

it's Duane Brown out of Virginia Tech - not Duane Thomas.

Posted by: kyle | April 19, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

People like ChRIs Larry, and Nate int the PDX, among others, represent the heart and soul of this blog, now nearly defunct in the supposedly temporary post registration era. I take Cindy at her word that this condition is indeed soon to change.

The only value I see in not having to register a user id with your comment, is that it seems to have the potential to open up the conversation a bit to new comers.

The regulars on this blog have maintained a tight clique. There is some value in turning the soil a bit; this is supposed to be an open forum, after all.

The potential for misuse outweighs the benefit, however. Too many posters have misappropriated other people's handles, and seem to be posting under multiple names, which dilutes the concentration of the product as a whole.

Having said that, it is my hope that the regulars of the blog will chill out with their "member's only" mentality, which ultimately discourages new ideas being expressed, and causes the product to grow stale over time.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally, there is nothing cool about the use of illicit drugs.

Marijuana is a gateway drug and the Washington Post does not endorse it's use in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Marijuana is a gateway drug and the Washington Post does not endorse it's use in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: | April 19, 2008 4:52 PM

Legalize it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

This motorcycle is hard to control.

Posted by: Duane Allman | April 19, 2008 2:38 AM


Dude, I'm still laughing about this...

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

What's so funny about the Duane Allman thing?

I'm lost.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Duane Allman was killed in a motorcycle accident only a few months after the summer release and great initial success of At Fillmore East. While in Macon on October 29, during a band break from touring and recording, Allman was riding toward an oncoming truck that was turning well in front of him but then stopped in mid-intersection. He lost control of his Harley while trying to swing left, possibly striking the back of the truck or its crane ball. He flew from his bike, which landed on and skidded with him, crushing internal organs; he died a few hours later, less than one month shy of his 25th birthday.


let's make fun of someone's death. what a bunch of dbags

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

anonymous at 4:42pm, what is the "members only" mentality? I don't get it.

I think something demonstrated time and again is that anybody is welcome here, as long as they're not being intentionally mean or hateful. I myself was a newcomer in the conversation once upon a time, and I found it daunting to wade in among the 'regulars', but I just barged in and stuck around.

There is just plain cranky behavior evinced by greg and talent evaluator, who have really low tolerance as far as suffering fools, but they seem to lash out at everybody equally, regulars and relative newcomers alike. I wouldn't call them the voice of the regulars; they're the Statler and Waldorf up in the balcony. The rest of us -- regardless of our tenure up here -- are the muppets in the show.

I know everybody thinks I'm a dope for this, but I wanted registration not to create a "walled garden" for members only, I just wanted a space where the worst behaviors we'd seen up here (and boy, did we see them) would be mitigated or altogether quashed. And one of those bad behaviors is attributing comments to a handle someone else has established, like the one I use. This is an egregious breach of netiquette, and it's my #1 pet peeve (as I've lamented at great length), and the Loseable Type registration doesn't prevent it.

Anyway, now more than ever, hail to the blog, and hail to the Redskins, with maps, and with beer.

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

As you yourself have noted, this blog consists of long tenured, entrenched personalities. The whole tone of the show is that of a member's only club, for lack of a better term.

Just admit it.

Registration reinforces this phenomenon. Unregistration, if you will, negates it. Tell me, why do you think posters have jumped on the opportunity to spoof you and some of the other regs? Not that the spoofing has been particularly well done, mind you; their attempts at humor have been low brow, see "Nate in the PMS," but why have you been spoofed in the first place?

Assuming posters did not abuse the ability to be able to post anonymously, which they have clearly done, unregistration could be a good thing.

If this blog is supposed to be all light hearted and fun as you claim it is, why are you even bothered by someone spoofing "Nate in the PDX?"


-anonymous

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

let's make fun of someone's death. what a bunch of dbags

Posted by: | April 19, 2008 6:03 PM

Yes, it was a horrible tragedy and a loss of a phenominal talent (we know a thing or two about that around here). But c'mon, man, lighten up! When Gilbert Godfrey started joking about 9/11 2 weeks later and got booed, I can see the sensitivity (though it was still funny). But some 30 years later one inappropriate line makes those that laugh douchebags? Please.

Oh, and get a name. 'Fore I use my fullback stompin' action.

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I think there's room in this conversation for everybody to participate, under whatever nickname he or she wants to use (again, that's my one issue). But not for completely uncontrolled rottenness of the sort we have seen many times up here.

I would not have advocated on behalf of registration had we not seen a high degree of offensive behavior over a prolonged period. I would hope you'd admit that the blog isn't worth reading during the periods when it's taken over by trolls. Whatever good there is gets completely sucked out of the place.

I would again disagree that this is a members only club, but I do absolutely see where you're coming from. But if it's such a members only club, why have new voices continued to join the conversation, even while registration was in place? Are you yourself someone who did not ever post comment when registration/login was required, but have only now come into the conversation, with registration having come down? That's a real shame.

I never used the terms "light hearted and fun," though at its best the blog has offered plenty of lightheartedness and fun. But moreover, is you point that there's something inconsistent about BOTH taking this community seriously (even, say, to the extent of believing that someone's nickname should be his or hers alone) AND taking some pleasure from it?

I'm not going to write this off with "agree to disagree" because I respect your point of view and am glad you took the time to write something down. I would just say in closing that the blog, or any blog for that matter, cannot be all things to all people (Cap'n Obvious). But when RI is good -- whether gated by registration or not -- it's as good as any conversation on the internets.

There I go again, talking about the blog on the blog. This meta-conversation can't be remotely interesting to anyone. But maybe it's preferable to something about the Capitals game tonight.


With that said, let's go Caps!

-Nate in the PDX

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

TDawg,

I guess some of us find certain things "funny," and some of us don't.

Duane Allman losing control of his bike doesn't exactly leave me in stitches, no pun intended.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Ummmm.

You're kidding about the Caps, right?

Falling behind 3-0 to the Flyers and then scraping out a victory in game 4?

What the heck were they waiting for? Wilbon called it when he said the Caps needed to rough up the Flyers. Why wait until you're one game away from elimination to take the man's advice?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

game 5, sorry.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

sure are a bunch of geeks up here

Posted by: JBL | April 19, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

whos got the hooch?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Gilbert Godfrey - unfunny jacka*s. you may not be far behind.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Having said that, it is my hope that the regulars of the blog will chill out with their "member's only" mentality, which ultimately discourages new ideas being expressed, and causes the product to grow stale over time.

Posted by: | April 19, 2008 4:42 PM

Congratulations for this excellent post. As a result, the committee has decided to bestow upon you the "Whine of the Week" award.

Congratulations! You wear it well!

Posted by: Awards Committee | April 19, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Marijuana is a gateway drug and the Washington Post does not endorse it's use in any way, shape, or form.

Posted by: | April 19, 2008 4:52 PM

Legalize it.

Posted by: | April 19, 2008 5:06 PM

Don't criticize it. And I'll advertise it.

Posted by: peter tosh | April 19, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

TDawg,

I guess some of us find certain things "funny," and some of us don't.

Duane Allman losing control of his bike doesn't exactly leave me in stitches, no pun intended.

Posted by: | April 19, 2008 7:27 PM


Point taken. To each his own, eh?

Posted by: TDawg | April 19, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Ummmm.

You're kidding about the Caps, right?

Falling behind 3-0 to the Flyers and then scraping out a victory in game 4?

What the heck were they waiting for? Wilbon called it when he said the Caps needed to rough up the Flyers. Why wait until you're one game away from elimination to take the man's advice?


Posted by: | April 19, 2008 7:34 PM

I'm going to assume your were attempting to chew gum while composing this message. My advice, aim a little lower.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

The Caps.

YEAH RIGHT!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Falling behind 3-0 to the Flyers and then scraping out a victory in game 4?"

It was 3-1, now 3-2...with one loss in double OT...thats how 7 game series work....

Like Wilbon knows hockey anyway...and aren't we supossed to hate him, you must not have gotten the memo...

And "ANON whiner of the week"...are you Fing kidding me?!??!?! What a bunch of crud that treatise was....dude doesn't like having his RI identity jacked, he cares what is attributed to him....registration changed nothing...anyone could join, post and even use fake names.....none of us regulars stopped anyone from doing anything or had it be a closed circle. If your having issues flashback to being a loser in school, thats not our fault...

And you realize your calling out a dude who invited ANYONE of us on the blog to a Nats game, and then fronted the money for over 20 tix himself.....yeah what an a-hole right????????

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"Falling behind 3-0 to the Flyers and then scraping out a victory in game 4?"

It was 3-1, now 3-2...with one loss in double OT...thats how 7 game series work....

Like Wilbon knows hockey anyway...and aren't we supossed to hate him, you must not have gotten the memo...

And "ANON whiner of the week"...are you Fing kidding me?!??!?! What a bunch of crud that treatise was....dude doesn't like having his RI identity jacked, he cares what is attributed to him....registration changed nothing...anyone could join, post and even use fake names.....none of us regulars stopped anyone from doing anything or had it be a closed circle. If your having issues flashback to being a loser in school, thats not our fault...

And you realize your calling out a dude who invited ANYONE of us on the blog to a Nats game, and then fronted the money for over 20 tix himself.....yeah what an a-hole right????????

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

things done changed around here

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ChRIs Larry.

Never called out Nate for being an a hole. The man is a gentleman.

I could care less about the Nats, or the Caps; was just making a point about the a hole mentality of the blog.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

maybe your point would be valid if u had the gonads to put a name to it........

i didnt say you had to care about Nats i pointed out that nate is good dude and mega-inclusive and you misrepresented him in your annoying little tract...

me, i am a dueche...and ok with that..

but hey man stick around, keep doing you, keep not putting an identity to your thoughts......

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

can we get back to fighting about whether its tasteless or funny to make jokes about duane allmans death or if limas sweed will be the next Jaquez Green?

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Oh, ChRIs Larry,

So now who is calling who out? What was ever done to you, my friend?

Why on Earth would I want to put a name to my posts? To further subject myself to being berated? To be called a whiner when I'm only pointing out the obvious, when dudes like you simply reinforce my original observations about this blog?

Ahem...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

dude really, grow a pair....jeesh...you started the whole discussion everone else, even the other anons, were happily slapping around macabre celebrity death humor or various skins flotsam and you came out with the whole "your mean" post?!?! you don't expect a little blowback...

Nate's my boy, I have broken bread with the fool, I am going to defend him.

and yeah it usually advances your point if you stand large with you ID/Ideas......I say dumb azz SJK constantly....and stand by it....people slap be down, we scarp, we make nice...its called having fun...

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

and let's be fair....the Awards Committee named you the Whiner of the week, I am just following their esteemed lead...

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Nate's my boy, I have broken bread with the fool, I am going to defend him.

-ChRIs Larry.

What do you think this is, bro? You all pretend to be all fun and games, but it's obvious you take this waaaaay too seriously.

Get a life, really.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to interrupt the festivities...

Caps game was great. I think cheesesteaks must stunt growth because every Filthy fan is about 5'3 and pathetic. But we won, and I bet the Flyers do not want to come back here because it was a red-out baby!

Funny story. If anyone was near section 404 today back me up. I was in front of the most shrill, bullhorn of a girl. Relentless. The Airbus 330 of hockey fans. She was so SJKN loud, I stuffed whole napkins in my ears, trying to make a point. There I am, with napkins hanging out of my ears like a cocker spaniel, and she is high-fiving me when we score. Bless! Amazing.

Posted by: SMACK | April 19, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

What exactly are you "defending" Nate from?

Just curious...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

whateves dude read the transcript your the one complaining about how people act....seems to me hanging out with a dude face-to-face represents having a life but what do I know...

but thanks for reminding me...gotta rouse the wife and our house guest from naps to go see Sarah Marshall...should be hilarious...

Let your freak flag fly Anon ....

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

LANDOVER, Md. (AP) -- The only scare on a near-perfect night for the Philadelphia Eagles came when the smell of pepper spray sent them scurrying off the bench.

The Eagles routed the Washington Redskins 37-7 on Monday, sending head coach Steve Spurrier to his worst loss in more than six years.

"We got clobbered," Spurrier said. "We never could go anywhere. They beat us every which way."

Philadelphia held Washington's offense to 179 yards and zero points and did not allow the Redskins past the Eagles' 35-yard line. The Eagles also had four sacks and forced three turnovers.

Washington's only score came on Jacquez Green's 90-yard punt return in the second quarter.

Posted by: Crappy Flashback | April 19, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Jesus, dude ChRIs Larry just totally made my point for me.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

@smack.....great SJK game!!!! I had to work so couldnt go with my two brothers....watched it streaming in my office...one more game!!! Love me some Laich!

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Things I could care less about:

1. The Caps
2. The Nats
3. ChRIs Larry
4. ChRIs Larry's wife
5. ChRIs Larry's house guest.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

that is one crappy flashback.....

anon, I am here to help, your right I set you up, u spiked it home....feel better...I know I do...

Will posts review of movie later....I am here to serve...

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

4. ChRIs Larry's wife

Hey anon, we agree...HAHA i kid I kid wife...

Actually...

F Anon

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I have to say I don't understand why people would be against the Redskins trading for Chad Johnson. He is better than any WR on the team right now. Why not upgrade the position with a veteran instead of a high priced rookie that may never amount to anything. Who cares if he cries in the media? That just means Snyder will get more coverage for the Redskins $$$(I can't believe I just typed that). Would you rather the Redskins allow Dallas or Eagles to trade for him? Then you guys will be mad a Springs/Smooooooot/Rogers for not being able to cover him 2 games a year. I bet most of you were against the Redskins going after T.O. What did he do to the Redskins last year? Oh nothing, but give us some ESPN highlight coverage while he posted 8 catches for 173 yards and 4 Touchdowns....Give me a break fans. Snyder make the trade for Chad Johnson and let's get this passing game going in the right direction. Who in there rightful mind would say I don't want a WR who has 1100+ receiving yards in 6 straight years because he talks to the media too much? He was third in the league in reception yards (1440 yards I might add). So, he can talk all he wants in my book until someone can shut him up. Oh yeah, not to mention he stays healthy. 6 straight years with 16 games played (No hamstring issues with this guy). I apologize for making that last comment but I can't go another year depending on S.Moss hammies.

Posted by: Redskin4Life | April 19, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"Marijuana is a gateway drug and the Washington Post does not endorse it's use in any way, shape, or form."

So is milk, everyone drinks milk, so milk can be argued as the gateway drug as well....

BONG!

Trade down for a 2nd and scoop some's 1st next year. 1 week until the draft!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | April 19, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

This LSD is really f'n with my head

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I think there's room in this conversation for everybody to participate, under whatever nickname he or she wants to use (again, that's my one issue). But not for completely uncontrolled rottenness of the sort we have seen many times up here.

-Nate in the PDX

Is this (speaking of uncontrolled rottenness) a thinly veiled reference to ChRIs Larry?

------

I would not have advocated on behalf of registration had we not seen a high degree of offensive behavior over a prolonged period. I would hope you'd admit that the blog isn't worth reading during the periods when it's taken over by trolls. Whatever good there is gets completely sucked out of the place.

-Nate in the PDX

Once again, when talking about the good being sucked out of a place, are you referring to what happens when ChRIs Larry posts?

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I say dumb azz SJK constantly....and stand by it....people slap be down, we scarp, we make nice...its called having fun...

Posted by: chRIS larrY | April 19, 2008 9:25 PM

Posted by: Whatever Nickname | April 20, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 20, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

As usual, Cerrato says absolutely nothing while appearing to say something.

'SKINS LOOKING TO SLIDE DOWN?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2008, 10:52 p.m.

Jason Reid and Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post suggest that the Redskins will look to trade down if the top players on their draft board are gone when their turn to pick in round one comes around.

Possible targets for the team include Oklahoma receiver Malcolm Kelly, Virginia offensive lineman Brendan Albert, and Vanderbilt tackle Chris Williams.

"It just depends on where the players go," Redskins exec Vinny Cerrato said. "Certain teams at the top will have certain guys targeted. If that guy's not there, then they may want to move out. But there's got to be somebody that wants to move up."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 20, 2008 5:24 AM | Report abuse

As mentioned above, The Two Jasons report on Vinny saying a whole lot of nothing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/19/AR2008041901734.html

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 20, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

The Great Blue North is having a Fans Draft Projection. Bucs fans are voting now. Redskins fans will vote later today or tomorrow. So far it's a nightmare scenario. The Eagles just drafted Otah.

http://www.gbnreport.com/fanmockdraft.html

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

If the real draft goes the way the GBN draft is going, and the Skins can't trade down, then the choice will be between:

Mayo
Balmer
Cherilus
Talib

I'm ruling out WR, RB, QB, TE. I hope Vinnie is, especially WR.

Here's the GBN top 100:

http://www.gbnreport.com/top100.html

I notice Jordy Nelson has moved up to the #60 slot.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Mary Jane :

Happy 4/20 to you all!

Wake'n'Bake!

BONG!

Posted by: BigMurf08 | April 20, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

As usual, Cerrato says absolutely nothing while appearing to say something.

"It just depends on where the players go," Redskins exec Vinny Cerrato said. "Certain teams at the top will have certain guys targeted. If that guy's not there, then they may want to move out. But there's got to be somebody that wants to move up."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 20, 2008 5:24 AM

Bug . . .
You want Cerrato to reveal what... the Skins strategy? No good GM says dink pre-draft. At least Cerrato's acting like a GM.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 20, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking about irony and the title Eat A Peach, but the oncoming truck was a flatbed carrying lumber, not a peach truck. The title came from a radio interview of Duane, asked about what he was doing re: the war ... "There ain't no revolution, it's evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace; the two-legged Georgia variety."

Posted by: dcsween | April 20, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

First there is a mountain then there is no mountain then there is.

BONG!

Gotta be a lot of burdens associated with being the Pope, not the least of which is that you are apparently followed around 24/7 by the most somber of cellists. Maybe he can say a little prayer for Duane and put on Brothers and Sisters later on.

Posted by: SMACK | April 20, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Why would the 2 Jasons devote so much ink to M. Kelly? And, his picture too? Are they trying to say he's projected to be the Skins' top pick? Their statement that he goes to the Skins in a lot of mocks is wrong, stupid.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 20, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

If the real draft goes the way the GBN draft is going, and the Skins can't trade down, then the choice will be between:

Mayo
Balmer
Cherilus
Talib

If this situation occured I'd be hoping that Mayo was the pick. I'd be satisfied with Cherilus.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 20, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I hope we get this (go use greg's word) cat in the second!

http://www.themercury.com/K-StateSports/article.aspx?articleId=0c0dd69268074529bdd3b0a1bf12b5ec

Nelson's only on-site NFL visit came this past week when the Washington Redskins wined and dined the former Wildcat wide receiver on Tuesday and Wednesday.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

As usual, Cerrato says absolutely nothing while appearing to say something.

"It just depends on where the players go," Redskins exec Vinny Cerrato said. "Certain teams at the top will have certain guys targeted. If that guy's not there, then they may want to move out. But there's got to be somebody that wants to move up."

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 20, 2008 5:24 AM

Perhaps Cerrato is signaling to other teams that the Skins might be willing to move up for certain players...

Anyone think the Skins would trade up if an OL player (like Albert or Williams) was still available and they found a team with the 12-18th pick willing to trade down?

Posted by: Siris | April 20, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny, spread the truthiness like manure on a spring field....if Vinny-C tells the truth this week, then he is stupid.... Vinny: Lie, Lie, Lie!!!!!!

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't even know the guys names, but Spurrier had TWO great WRs in a SC game I saw (the night of the most recent blog night out ... me and Jasno in Shirlington), and both Kansas and Missouri also seemed like they each had a great tall faster receiver.

This might be a bumper year for the kind of receiver the Skins need. Maybe we can wait till a later round.

Posted by: dcsween | December 14, 2007 12:44 PM

Though I have mocked the too-much-talk about Jordy Nelson, if the Skins DO pick him, I want to put in my dibs for being the earliest RI blogger to say something about him based on this old post above.

DIBBED.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I would love to give you dibs, but you don't sign your posts so how will we know who to give props to?????????

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Jordy Nelson played for Kansas State, not Kansas.

UNDIBBED.

Posted by: dcsween | April 20, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The dib claimant was me, cL ... as well as the undibbing disclaimer.

Posted by: dcsween | April 20, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

then mega dibs to u sir

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

sween has dibs on jordy (shohty its ya birthday), but we'll allll gotta know who was callwin fo' james hardy long ago, kids.

oh yeah.

Posted by: TDawg | April 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

t-dawg...good article in todays ny times sports section about some dude from Brown who might get drafted....though of you....check it out online....

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny, spread the truthiness like manure on a spring field....if Vinny-C tells the truth this week, then he is stupid.... Vinny: Lie, Lie, Lie!!!!!!

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 1:43 PM

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Gabriel: Have you ever heard of Harry Houdini? Well he wasn't like today's magicians who are only interested in television ratings. He was an artist. He could make an elephant disappear in the middle of a theater filled with people, and do you know how he did that? Misdirection.
Stanley: What the fu!k (my fix) are you talking about?
Gabriel: Misdirection. What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Alright last year I called Calvin Johnson the bust of the 2007 draft. While he has the tangibles, he still needs to show me he can cut it in the NFL.

Bust of this draft...undecided. I'm leaning toward Glenn Dorsey.

Beast...Sedrick Ellis. The Skins won't draft him and neither will the Boys (Girls), but I predict he will destroy people for a long time.

Some kid RB from East Carolina ran a 4.24, is this true?

Posted by: SMACK | April 20, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Vinny, spread the truthiness like manure on a spring field....if Vinny-C tells the truth this week, then he is stupid.... Vinny: Lie, Lie, Lie!!!!!!

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 1:43 PM

He's telling the truth, it's just that he's telling so many truths that no one knows for sure what the team is going to do.

"We want an interior pass rushing lineman early" K. Balmer?

"Blache says builidng a defense starts at CB" - Ok so we're drafting a corner first

"We really like Malcolm Kelly" - Ok that makes Kelly their first pick

"No recievers have a 1st round grade" - Ok never mind

"We really want to rebuild the offensive line this year, and we want a g/t prospect" - Chris Williams?, Branden Albert? God please let one of them fall

"We value players that have worked with the coaching staff before" - Calias Campbell?

"We'll take the best player available" -Philip Merling?

It's called the ADD approach, give them so much information that their head explodes trying to guess who the hell you're going to pick.

Posted by: RIV | April 20, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Gosder Cherilus seems to be limited in his NFL projections to RT. He played LT as a senior at BC but struggled. Started at RT through his Jr year. If Heyer looks like the RT of the future, then I figure they'd only take Cherilus if they think they can make a guard out of him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/5435.html

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Kentwan Balmer might be the pick if they stay at 21. The thing is, he's 6'4 1/2" and 308 lb. And they say he can bulk up more. Might be the thing to have him buddy up with Daniels and really get him to accentuate his strength. I'm also thinking that if they take him they might really be looking for him to be something in 2009, to improve in his second year like Monty did.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/dt/kentwanbalmer.html

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Gosder Cherilus seems to be limited in his NFL projections to RT. He played LT as a senior at BC but struggled. Started at RT through his Jr year. If Heyer looks like the RT of the future, then I figure they'd only take Cherilus if they think they can make a guard out of him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2008/draft/players/5435.html

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 2:50 PM


I'd love it if they got Gosder as a Guard, but the lack of quick feet would make him a liability at LT. `

Posted by: RIV | April 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

*******Might be the thing to have him buddy up with Daniels and really get him to accentuate his strength.*********

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C Campbell would be someone to pair with Daniels on the strenght thing. He looks like the pick at 21 the more I think of it (unless we are able to trade down). Doubt that Albert or Williams fall to us.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

The one our coaches know:


http://www.kffl.com/article.php/87937/512

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't really like the idea of taking Cialis Campbell. Would probably rather have Lawrence Jackson. It's looking more and more like the best thing would be to trade down. Lots of players there in the second round, but they'd all be a reach at 21.

Also, if they go LB they should take a good look at Connor as well as Mayo.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/jerod-mayo?id=776

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/dan-connor?id=212

Interesting video on Connor.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

If Merling, Albert and Chris Williams are gone, I hope we can trande out. Conner may be gone before Mayo, so I don't think he will be available to the Skins. Having said that, someone is sure to fall to us.

Jordy Nelson in the Second!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

If Merling, Albert and Chris Williams are gone, I hope we can trande out. Conner may be gone before Mayo, so I don't think he will be available to the Skins. Having said that, someone is sure to fall to us.

Jordy Nelson in the Second!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 4:34 PM

Mocks I have seen put Mayo ahead of Connor. Connor has fallen just a bit - from the late 1st to early 2nd. But if someone picks Mayo or Connor ahead of the Skins pick that's ok because it could mean Merling or Williams falls to 21.

Seconds on Jordy in the second.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh I come back to RI and get struck down by the flu . . . coincidence?

I'm at a loss when all the so called 'experts' out there keep trumpeting a WR for us at 21. Not all but too many draftistas that I've seen.

If we or rather me nincompoop can figure out that an WR in the first round at 21 is a dumb idea then why can't they?

I would l-o-v-e if this draft for us was like the Cowpaddies draft in '92? or '93 - deep and wide. They blossomed (as cowpaddies are wont to do) and did their SBs.

*sigh* don't know if we have the brains to pull it off.

Posted by: sfskin | April 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Editorial:

One reason I'd like the Skins to get Jordy Nelson is I think he'd be fun to watch. He returns kicks, he throws the option pass, he has great hands, and he follows his blocks real well in the open field.

Sweed looks like he could be fun to watch, too. If he's any good he might be real good. He looks like he could be a Plaxico Burress. And apart from him playing for the Vigiants, I have to say I like watching him play.

But I'd prefer Nelson. Watching him on the highlights he reminded me of a faster Chris Cooley. They both seem really efficient when they run, taking really great angles and so forth.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

If we or rather me nincompoop can figure out that an WR in the first round at 21 is a dumb idea then why can't they?

Posted by: sfskin | April 20, 2008 5:12 PM
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I am with you on this sfskin. If some of these idiots are being paid for their mocks, then I need to change my job. WR in the first are the dumbest pick. Even a top 5 prospect is not a guarntee!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Another idiot! How does this make any sense????:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18755-NFL-Draft-Where-Does-Desean-Jackson-Go--200408

5. Washington Redskins, 2nd round- I'll assume the Skins pick a big TE in the 1st round. In the 2nd, they pick DeSean to mix it up.

6. Washington Redskins, 1st round- The reason this is last is because, as I said before, the Redskins are drafting a big TE. The reason it's in here at all is because the big idea is Washington drafting someone who cathces the ball.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I heard Cerrato say that while there are good WRs in the draft, he does not think there is a WR that is truly worthy (not his exact words, I'm paraphrasing) of a first round pick.

Posted by: Lisa | April 20, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, not only do I agree, but I think that WR should never be drafted in the 1st rd. Most WRs (as stated previously on this blog) need three years to develop. The earliest is 2nd rd.

Jordy Nelson in the 2nd!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

dang, i was hoping jordy was a brotha.

Posted by: CLJ | April 20, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I heard Cerrato say that while there are good WRs in the draft, he does not think there is a WR that is truly worthy (not his exact words, I'm paraphrasing) of a first round pick.

Posted by: Lisa | April 20, 2008 6:23 PM

Well at that point he ironically said that he didn't think there was a reciver worthy of being a top 20 pick. So I wonder if he thinks theres a reciever worthy of being a top 21 pick.

Posted by: RIV | April 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Vinny could have been trying to fool the media but I don't think so since he said this on Redskins Radio. It was about a month ago. I really did not get the feeling that Vinny plans to draft a WR at #21.

Posted by: Lisa | April 20, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Vinny could have been trying to fool the media but I don't think so since he said this on Redskins Radio. It was about a month ago. I really did not get the feeling that Vinny plans to draft a WR at #21.

Posted by: Lisa | April 20, 2008 6:46 PM

Yeah I agree with you on that one. Personally I don't think Vinny is lying, but instead he's throwing out a bunch of true information that lack key details pertaining to the teams draft strategy. So in the end you have teams looking at the Redskins thinking they could realistically take at least 4 or 5 players should they stay at 21 based on the information leaked by Cerrato. That or he's so excited to finally be in charge that he enjoys talking about it, but I doubt that he's given away anything key.

Posted by: RIV | April 20, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

dang, i was hoping jordy was a brotha.

Posted by: CLJ | April 20, 2008 6:41 PM

What difference does it make, as long as he can catch the damn ball and run with it afterward? Playing ability matters, skin color doesn't.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

dang, I was hoping Jordy Nelson was in the cartoon Peanuts

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Vinny is (and should be) doing it all....spreading lies, half truths, a barrage of truths, radio silence, talking to much, playing agents against eachother, making promises he doesnt intend to keep....and it doesn't matter if its on Redskins Radio, pr pravda...


Keep'n guessing Vinny!

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I had a fantastic dinner last night and ordered a bottle of wine called "Cerreto". (I'm not making this up) It was a pretty bold wine, very tasty, but I couldn't help but think I spent way too much money on it. I almost traded my entire meal for another bottle, but I think I've finally learned my lesson from the last nine times I went for a second bottle of wine instead of dinner.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

yo PD...long time no post, you were missed!

Posted by: chrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, CL. Been busy with work. I love being back in the game and forgot how much I missed it.

I've also been trolling the political blogs just for SJKs and giggles. The nutcases up here are NOTHING compared to the nutcases over there.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

regular employment?!?!? For shame! haha

I am a political animal myself...but the commenting on most sites brings out the worst in me, so I refrain. I save making an azz of myself and picking petty fights for RI!

Posted by: chrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Was this the wine you were quaffing at last night?

http://winelibrary.com/reviewwine.asp?DCMP=froogle&item=35269

Posted by: Wine-o | April 20, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Reality check folks: just about everyone in the "dead zone" (picks 18-25) of the draft seems like they will want to trade down.

Unfortunately, it seems that we can't get an elite player at any position unless something weird happens.

The top 3 or so players at DE, OT, CB and DT are going to be gone.

The one worthy guard (Brendan Albert) is going to be gone.

The one top safety is going to be gone.

Vinny doesn't think there is WR worth a 1st round pick.

We aren't taking a QB or RB

Well that seems to be it.

If we can't trade down we've got hold our pig snouts and grab whomever makes the most sense.

Let's pray the Baltimoreons get antsy and make a move up from the second round to get a QB. Even then they may be able to move up past where we are (21st).

If you recall the skins wanted to trade down last year, but nobody was willing to give up the juice.

REDSKINS ONE OUT!

Posted by: REDSKINS ONE | April 20, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

#21 is going to be a great pick -- it was Sean Taylor's number.

One of the advantages is that it's right before #22 -- the Cowboys, so someone might want to jump in front of them to steal a running back or a corner.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

What difference does it make, as long as he can catch the damn ball and run with it afterward? Playing ability matters, skin color doesn't.

Posted by: | April 20, 2008 7:31 PM

Word.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I save making an azz of myself and picking petty fights for RI!

Posted by: chrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 8:40 PM

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This is what makes RI so fun Cl. Keep on keeping on. And keeping us honest!!


Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Wine-o, that is not the wine. I sent a quick email to the restaurant owner this morning to get the name. It's a really cool black bottle with Braille-like raised lettering that spelled out the name on the glass. Definitely one to pass on to my fellow alcoholics here on RI...

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

From sporting news

Balking on Balmer?

Just like the case with Cottam, you will be hard pressed to find NFL two teams who can agree on the draft value of North Carolina defensive tackle Kentwan Balmer. Everyone sees him as a very gifted natural athlete, but the question is why it shows up in personal workouts and didn't show up nearly as much on the field.

Balmer's tendency to play upright and long-legged and without enough passion and intensity has caused even those teams who love his natural talent to question if he will ever become more than a backup tackle who consistently teases his team with "what could be." Balmer now is more likely to fall out of the first day of the draft completely instead of some team taking a chance on him as a first-round pick.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping Jordy Nelson was a blind dude who could pilot a starship.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

me, i prefer thunderbird, but to each his own i suppose.

Posted by: wasp | April 20, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

whatever happened to that cab driver guy who was a regular on here? can't remember his name...oh yeah, dealer.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

We need some nasty, mean DL players to draft... players who are going to distroy the OL on the other teams. Same for OL. Take no one not willling to get a flag!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping Jordy Nelson could hook me up with some porn site passwords.

Posted by: Mayo | April 20, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Jordy Nelson is Obi-one Kenobi.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Curzon, my fellow nerd friend, it's Obi-Wan Kenobi. :-)

(unless you were making a joke which flew right over my little head)

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy,

No joke, just to much tequila to let me see what I am posting!! LOL!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I freely admit both my shameful sobriety and that I spent the past few minutes reading Wikipedia entries to try and figure out WTF was going on in the three "Star Wars" prequels. I still have no idea.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the Wikipedia trip you went on, but I was drinking some tequila, watching some basketball and trying to follow up on Mayo at 10:08. Just did not read before I hit submit.

Having said that, JN plays with the force!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping Jordy Nelson was a blind dude who could pilot a starship.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 10:02 PM

See too much tequila. Was following up on YOUR above post. I need to stop w/the tequila, but I am not. Wife and I are going to do a couple more shots!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

sounds like a fun night in the curzon household....

oh Forgetting Sarah Marshall...hysterical

Posted by: chrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Tequila is ambrosia from the Gods. I had a few shots last night myself. Good ol' Hornitos. Mmmmmmm.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

"Forgetting Sarah Marshall" was GENIUS. EPIC. BRILLIANT.

OMG, can't wait to see it again. Best date movie since "Juno".

Existential question: Trapped on a deserted island...Mila Kunis or Kirsten Bell?

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Just ordered pizza on dominos.com.

1. The "Pizza Tracker" is amazingly neato. I don't know if it's another sign of the impending demise of the American Empire that I need to track my loaded up fat bomb from order to delivery, but it's fun to stare at.

2. No cubes of poop :-(

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

mila...no doubt...except in RL she dates maculy caulkin....gross...


Posted by: chrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

"Forgetting Sarah Marshall" was GENIUS. EPIC. BRILLIANT.

OMG, can't wait to see it again. Best date movie since "Juno".

Existential question: Trapped on a deserted island...Mila Kunis or Kirsten Bell?

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:02 PM

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HaHa Ha!! Just finished watching Juno!! LMGO!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

CL, I think I just threw up in my mouth. She also dated Fez from "That 70s Show". She has really bad taste in men.

I think I may have a chance.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

There were so many "best lines" from "Juno" that you could literally just replay the whole movie. It was definitely one of the best screenplays in recent memory.

"Forgetting Sarah Marshall" will win no awards, but it is just plain awesome.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I felt Juno was over written...but I still liked it...Micheal Cera is the man!

Posted by: chrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Fun night, yes! Fun day at work tomorrow, well....I will have to get back to you.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Born in 63 and loving '70s music, loved ther references in Juno! Had to pause the movie several times because I was laughing so hard!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 20, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

May be tipping my hat as a music snob nerd-loser...but no one who loves the Ramones and Runaways and is 16 would not know who Sonic Youth is.....that ruined the movie for me....not really but you get my point...

Posted by: cHrIS larrY | April 20, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

"When Gilbert Godfrey started joking about 9/11 2 weeks later and got booed, I can see the sensitivity (though it was still funny)."


THE ARISTOCRATS!

Posted by: corkczar | April 21, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

++++"Forgetting Sarah Marshall" will win no awards, but it is just plain awesome.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 20, 2008 11:22 PM++++

What like the Pope's speach at the White House?

Posted by: corkczar | April 21, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

THE DRAFT

Four picks in the first three rounds. NINE overall.

TWO starters, and two special teamers or it's a a bad draft.

Posted by: corkczar | April 21, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

4 starters!!!

Philip Merling in 1st!
Jordy Nelson in 2nd!!

7 picks after. Two of five will start!!

2009 = SB champs!!!!!!

The power of positive thinking!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 21, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

"If there's a GM who tells the truth during the month of April, he's making a mistake. I've always called it liar's month. All GMs should be forgiven in April. Please, do not judge any GM in April. Lying is simply a part of our business in April.''

--San Diego GM A.J. Smith, in an interview with Nick Canepa of the San Diego Union Tribune.

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 21, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

Peter King's Annual Mock Draft (and you might even like it).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/04/20/mmqb/index.html

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 21, 2008 4:46 AM | Report abuse

As usual, Cerrato says absolutely nothing while appearing to say something.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 20, 2008 5:24 AM

Bug . . .
You want Cerrato to reveal what... the Skins strategy? No good GM says dink pre-draft. At least Cerrato's acting like a GM.

Posted by: chris_zz | April 20, 2008 9:30 AM

No - absolutely not. I want Vinny to do EXACTLY what he has been doing, which is saying nothing specific about his true intentions regarding the draft. As others have pointed out, Vinny has been seemingly masterful in the way he has made the Redskins' draft preferences a moving target in conjunction with the coaching staff. Only a psychic would dare claim he/she knew knew what Vinny is thinking and planning to do at this point.

It will be interesting to see what happens on Saturday.

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 21, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 21, 2008 5:02 AM | Report abuse

Bug,

Peter King has us taking Merling with Albert on the board? I can't see that happening. At least, not if RI were controlling the first round pick.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

We should be so lucky to be selecting at #21 and have both Albert and Merling still available. It will be a nice problem to have if it works out that way.

I have no problems with either choice.

Posted by: Bug . . . | April 21, 2008 6:52 AM | Report abuse

As much as I love Albert, if Merling's still on the board, I'd take him in a heartbeat. DE is such a tough position to coach up compared to guard. I think Buges could probably coach up a 3rd or 5th rounder to play at about the same level as a first rounder in a couple of years. While we need to draft O-line for the future, we have capable backups if (when) someone goes down this year. Can't really say the same for DE and I'd love to get Merling playing opposite Carter by the end of this season.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 21, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Happy Monday. Some good draft talk up above.
I read MMQB, and agreed, can't see the Redskins taking Merling, with Albert on the board. I can't see Albert lasting past #10, and I don't see him being a T either. He's got G written all over him.

Curz, good use of the term, 'cat' above.

Also, the Redskins need to get more than 2 starters. If they go G/DE, in round 1, WR in rd 2, and then G/DT with the 2 picks in the third round. You've got to have those 4 guys coming in and CONGRIBUTING right away. If they're taking a Guard early, then that player needs to be pushing Kendall for playing time. The WR in round 2, needs to be playing in the slot starting at game 1. The DE/DT needs to be in an immediate rotation at either position.

Posted by: Greg(Marathon City) | April 21, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

CONGRIBUTING - Latin, meaning, to start and conTribute almost immediately.

Posted by: Greg | April 21, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The WR in round 2, needs to be playing in the slot starting at game 1. The DE/DT needs to be in an immediate rotation at either position.

Posted by: Greg(Marathon City) | April 21, 2008 8:52 AM

I've been under the impression they want ARE to play the slot, and are looking for a #2 WR which Jordy would be.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

sfan, sure, I'll buy that.

My overall point I guess is that 2 starters isn't going to cut it. I think all of the first 4 picks need to be in the lineup. This draft needs to be a spring-board for this team.

Posted by: Greg | April 21, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Redskin fans are on the clock at Great Blue North. Picks to date:

http://www.gbnreport.com/fanmockdraft.html

Home page:

http://www.gbnreport.com/

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I'm not sure if they want ARE in the slot. I've heard someone swaying they need a big reciever to go over the middle. Isn't that what the slot reciever usually does in the WC offense?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 21, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

I hear ARE's natural position is slot, however, so who knows?

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 21, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

I think when you in a 3 WR set it all depends on how the defense is set. If you have a DB on your slot receiver and your receiver is a Anthony Mix type guy, you may want to try and get him in space with the DB or audible and go with a run play. If you have recivers like Moss or ARE in the slot, I'd attack the middle of the field.

Posted by: Red f/ the DMV | April 21, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I think some people think that Welker has established himself as the ideal slot receiver, and that the Skins think that ARE can do a lot of what Welker does. Others think that Welker will take too much of a beating over time in the slot. The Colts seem to like to line up players like Dallas Clark in the slot. But because I thought it got said that ARE was going to be more or less the slot receiver I had it in mind the Skins were looking for a #2 wide-out in the draft.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 21, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

CBS football analyst Brian Baldinger isn't giddy over the professional potential of Arkansas running back Darren McFadden.

"I think he's the colossal bust in this draft. He doesn't run with patience. He's a very incomplete back who tries to run you over. If he gets a crease, he can take it to the house. But he doesn't break tackles and he fumbles. I'm not impressed."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I think Zorn sees ARE as a match up problem in the slot against the 3rd CB. Acyually with ARE in the slot that would mean Cooley going agansit a LB/SS another match up problem.

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 21, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Either way, drafting a young guy to compete with Mix and Thrash is a must. Whether it's in the 2nd or later rounds is the question.

Posted by: tmwilliams | April 21, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Those damn imperialists (wink, wink, Redcoat) got here first and now Americans are ordering Drawht Beer. It's embarassing.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 19, 2008 12:57 AM

What can I say, the map of the world used to be mostly red, but now it isn't. Yet still the English influence lives on via odd spelling. And Simon Cowell. Ugh.

Oh, and Supernanny.

Posted by: Redcoat | April 21, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

just had a "crazy" idea and would like you guys to explain to me why its stoopid (or maybe it would be a possibility):

If Keith Rivers is still on the board when we select, he would likely be the BPA. could we take him and move Marcus Washington to DE fulltime? Washington already plays DE on passing downs. I know he is a bit undersized for a DE, but he is essentially the same size as Andre Carter and a great tackler. We still need a long term solution for DE but we do for LB as well - its just not as pressing right now. this scenario would give us the best "bang for our buck" and allow us to take the BPA while getting a DE to groom a little later on in the draft and drafting a starter next year. I am simply not sold on Calias Campbell and think he would be a huge reach at 21.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

just had a "crazy" idea and would like you guys to explain to me why its stoopid (or maybe it would be a possibility):

If Keith Rivers is still on the board when we select, he would likely be the BPA. could we take him and move Marcus Washington to DE fulltime? Washington already plays DE on passing downs. I know he is a bit undersized for a DE, but he is essentially the same size as Andre Carter and a great tackler. We still need a long term solution for DE but we do for LB as well - its just not as pressing right now. this scenario would give us the best "bang for our buck" and allow us to take the BPA while getting a DE to groom a little later on in the draft and drafting a starter next year. I am simply not sold on Calias Campbell and think he would be a huge reach at 21.


Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 10:15 AM

We have the luxury of being able to draft this year without expecting the draftee to be an immediate starter. We are basically looking to the future with this draft. I agree with you on Calais Campbell. His stock really dropped after his workout for the scouts. I think we could possibly get him in the second round.

Posted by: Redskin Jim | April 21, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

5 days until the draft and no new posts since a half-hearted no news blog last week? Jasno, get off your a$$

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I know I'm in the minority on this point, however I don't think Campbell is such a turd as most of you think. Yes he has had a poor pre draft season, and if you put a lot of weight into that, I could see how some of you think he's a third rounder at best. However, if you look at his college production, Campbell is on par with Harvey and Merling. I think the skins like him a lot because of the obvious connection to Campbell. I think #21 is little high but huge a huge stretch. Taller DE take a little longer to refine their skills IMO. Plus he's good at providing a push in the middle which the skins deaparately need. Coach him up this year and watch him go for the next 10 years

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Zorn envisions Randle El playing the slot receiver, leaving Moss outside, allowing Cooley to exclusively go against a linebacker and leaving the spot opposite Moss up for grabs in certain formations.

To clear up where certain people are playing.

Redskin Jim, I disagree, I think they need starters out of this draft. OL, DL, and WR, specifically.

Posted by: Greg | April 21, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I said it on here all through last season - M. Washington was useless out of the three poont stance. What did he get, like 2 sacks total last year? The OT's literally ate him up. Love him in coverage and coming in on the blitz, but the experiment having him in the down stance was a failure. We need a pass rushing DE to compliment A. Carter. Let Washingon do what he does best, which is play outside LB......just my opinion, of course.

Posted by: dlhaze | April 21, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

anonymous poster, jasnos hard at work on his "positional review - defensive backs" blog, which will most likely remind us that sean taylor is still dead, shawn springs will likely be here only one more year, carlos rogers is still hurt, and reed doughty is still being our teams rudy. He will mention a couple of the top corners in the draft, then say we will probably address the position and add depth in the later rounds. although we're all curious on how guys like eubanks and westbrook are developing, jasno will forgo any meaningful analysis of the depth (or lack thereof) we have at the position, and, after a 2 paragraph overview, go on to talk about hockey or something entirely unrelated to sports.

On a side note, I just watched a replay game on NFLN this weekend and i still cant get over the fact that hes gone - he was such a phenominal player and our team would be so much better if he was still here.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about the improper use of "literally" there.....just caught that.

Posted by: dlhaze | April 21, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

oh, my side note was referring to taylor. sorry about that.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

is this thing on....hello....

Posted by: Greg | April 21, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

yeah i guess no ones posting. i keep refreshing thinking maybe theres a new blog everyones posting on but no dice... eveyone is just working today or something!

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

You are right on point talkshowhost

Posted by: jm220 | April 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

draft fatigue has set in...wake me up Saturday morning......

Posted by: chrIS larry | April 21, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

this is a really good, well thoughtout mock site. Too many sites have us taking doucet in the 2nd and passing on nelson - what idiots. i definitely like the skins picks (based on who is available when we select). I really dont see harvey falling to us, but if he does, i like the pick. Here are the skins selections:

http://newnfldraft.com/

21. Washington Redskins: Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida

The Skins biggest needs in the 2008 NFL Draft are WR and DE. Harvey has been rising on most 2008 NFL Mock Draft boards recently. I think he will either go top 10 or he will drop to early 20's. The Redskins are really looking for a great DE to step in and make an impact in the 2008 NFL Season. Harvey is the perfect player to do this and the Redskins would love it if Harvey fell to them here. Another way they could go would be taking a WR because that is their second biggest need for the 2008 NFL Season.

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51. Washington Redskins: Jordy Nelson, WR, K State

Jason Campbell has a few options but could always use more. Jordy Nelson is a good receiver but isn't a very big name. The Skins opt to get Nelson and hope to make the playoffs again in the 2008 NFL Season.

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84. Washington Redskins: Mike Pollak, C, Arizona St.

The get a very good Center in this Arizona State Trench beast.

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96. Washington Redskins: Craig Seltz, S, LSU

A good player from a great program. Seltz could help add depth to the DB's altogether. I know they got Landry in 2007 but these are two completely different players.

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154. Johnny Dingle, DE, WVU

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186. Washington Redskins: Jerome Felton, FB, Furman

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The only pick i really disagree with with taking Dingle in the 5th. We've already got a DE so i would see us going DT. The Jags take Marcus Harrison, DT, Arkansas a few picks after us in this mock and I think (given this mock), we would select him.

I know we have needs other than S, and i really like doughty, but seltz is a beast and i don't think we could pass him up. I really like us taking Felton in the 6th. Hes the 2nd best FB in the draft and i think we could really use him.

Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Dingle

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Posted by: talkshowhost | April 21, 2008 11:42 AM

So does this mean we wait until the 7th round to draft OT prospects? Yummy.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

johnny dingle likes to eat berries.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

The career of Marcus Washington will be over by about Game 6 if he has to line up against an offensive right tackle every play.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The career of Marcus Washington might be over regardless...at least the starting career/every down player part of his career.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

TSH

If the draft broke that way I think the skins would be thrilled.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | April 21, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Campbell is on par with Harvey and Merling. I think the skins like him a lot because of the obvious connection to Campbell. I think #21 is little high but huge a huge stretch. Taller DE take a little longer to refine their skills IMO. Plus he's good at providing a push in the middle which the skins deaparately need. Coach him up this year and watch him go for the next 10 years

Posted by: marlonjohn | April 21, 2008 10:34 AM

You mean like they both have the same last name? Are they cousins or something?

The only way that Calais is on par with Merling and Harvey is that they all play the same position. It's like saying that Sam Hollenbach is on par with Tom Brady.

Taller means it take longer to refine skills? Ed "Too Tall" Jones must have been ready coming out of grade school then. If your "taller" theory is correct, how does it apply to the NBA?

The only way that Calais Campbell gets a push up the middle is by falling over forward and knocking down a guard in the process.

Is it Cialis that advertises "when the moment's not right"? In Campbell's case, the time to draft him is never right.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

beep to the beep, but it's only the "Positional Review - Defensive backs" that was posted here a bit earlier.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 21, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/18752-Washington-Redskins-Roster-Breakdown-2nd-Edition-defense-


Washington Redskins: Roster Breakdown 2nd Edition(defense)
by Craig Garrison Sr (Scribe)

April 20, 2008

Here is the 2nd edition of my roster review for the Redskins heading into the 2008 NFL Draft. In this edition I will breakdown the Defense and hopefully, determine their needs in the draft and through the rest of the so called "offseason"(there is a quote used on a certain satellite radio station that states: "THERE IS NO OFFSEASON", and I agree heartily!).

Greg Blache takes over as Defensive Coordinator for the Washington Redskins in 2008. He has been listed as the defensive line coach the last 4 season for the Redskins, so he is not new to the team or the players, and that's a good thing. He has experience as DC, serving as DC for the Chicago Bears from 1999 through the 2003 season under then head coach Dick Jauron. His time in Chicago can best be described as "generally not good". While his defense had an outstanding 2001 season, injuries and free agent losses contributed to a defense that simply was not very good the rest of the time. His defenses were known to be aggressive at the line of scrimmage. Relying on quarterback pressure(he was quoted several times saying that pressure did not necessarily mean sacks) to help defend against the pass, aside from 2001, his defenses did not fare well against the pass. All of this may mean nothing to the Redskins, but then again, it may be a sign of things to come. There is generally a feeling around the NFL that Greg Blache will, at the very least, maintain the Redskins' overall solid defensive play(since the 2000 season, the Redskins have only finished the season out of the top 10 in overall defense twice). The upcoming draft and the team's health will play a major role in his ability to accomplish that. I'll start with the defensive line. Once again, I believe that the play at the point of attack(by both lines) is a close second for the most important play of any football team(number one being quarterback play). And now, the roster he will be working with:

Defensive line

Defensive End: The 2007 season marked a dramatic improvement for the Redskins in terms of pass rush. Posting a respectable 33 sacks in 2007, the Redskins improved on what had been record setting sack total of 19 in 2006, an all time LOW for the NFL. Left Defensive End Andre Carter was major contributor to this improvement posting 10.5 sacks himself. Which was the highest sack total from a Redskins defensive linemen since the 2000 season. Phillip Daniels was the starter for the 2007 season at Right Defensive End and contributed only 2.5 sacks. Needless to say, rushing the passer is not one of Phillip Daniels strengths at this point in his career. At 35, Daniels is certainly in the twighlight of his career, and lost significant playing time to a rotation of players. LB Marcus Washington entered the season designated as the "Pass Rush Specialist" by then Defensive Coordinator Gregg Williams, moving to left defensive end on passing downs. M. Washington battled a pulled hamstring for a large stretch of the season missing 4 games and was largely ineffective in several others, posting only 5 sacks. Youngster Chris Wilson made the best of his limited action posting 4 sacks. The Redskins are high on the young and undersized defensive end, but how much better can he get? Demetric Evans has been a reliable backup for the Redskins and will likely battle for the same role in 2008. The Redskins have been looking for "bookend" defensive ends since the days of Charles Mann and Dexter Manley, and seem to one side taken care of with Andre Carter. Phillip Daniels will likely return to battle for a spot with the team in 2008, but the Redskins are on the hunt for another pass rusher to play opposite Carter. Don't be surprised if Daniels doesn't make the cut and isn't on the opening day roster. Daniels has shown to be adept at the Defensive Tackle position in passing situations and played alongside Montgomery and fellow 2nd year player Kedric Golston often in 2007. This could be his niche to make the team in 2008. Chris Wilson could easily progress into the pass rusher the Redskins need but only time will tell. At this point, defensive end is an obvious position of need for the Redskins and is likely to be targeted in the upcoming draft. The issue for the Redskins will be value at each point in the draft. With the 21st pick, there is likely not going to be solid value in taking a defensive end, as the position is a high priority for many teams.
Defensive Tackle: The true strength of the defensive line was stopping the run, finishing the season ranked 4th in stopping the run, giving up only 91.2 yards per game. Andre Carter also led the team's d-linemen with 55 total tackles with veteran tackle Cornelius Griffin and 2nd year player Anthony Montgomery tied for second with 42 each. These numbers put all three players in the top 50 of all defensive linemen in the NFL in total tackles. Anthony Montgomery and fellow 2006 draftee Kedric Golston found themselves switching roles in 2007. In their rookie seasons Golston earned his way on the field filling in for injured started Brandon Noble and played on all 16 games, posting a solid 44 total tackles as a rookie. Montgomery by contrast, played in only 5 games in 2006, with a total of nine tackles to his credit. Expect both these youngsters to come in even hungrier in 2008. Golston will want to prove that his rookie campaign was not a fluke after all, and Montgomery will want to prove his improvement in 2007 was just the start of a long and solid career. Starter Cornelius Griffin has been a good player when healthy, but at 31 years old, how much is left? And can he stay healthy for 16 games? Versatile Lorenzo Alexander will continue on with his role as a backup and rotational player at tackle and along the offensive line. Ryan Boschetti will also return to compete for a backup spot. Matthias Askew was re-signed in March, and there is much hope he will also compete for playing time. There has been much talk that the Redskins are interested in finding a defensive tackle that can give the defense a push up the middle. Others say the need is at the DE position. Age and the health of both DT Cornelius Griffin and DE Phillip Daniels dictates that the Redskins need to look to improve at both positions.
The defensive line has 13 players under contract and there is no need for desperation here. Age and health has caught up with 2007 starters Cornelius Griffin and Phillip Daniels, and the Redskins must find players who can contribute in the 2008 season and take over by 2009. With 9 picks in April's NFL draft, don't be surprised if the Redskins select as many as two or three defensive linemen.

LineBackers

Middle Linebacker(The Mike): London Fletcher-Baker showed the league that the Redskins did not spend unwisely in 2007 at the middle linebacker position. Starting every game and posting a team high 128 tackles, Fletcher-Baker was critical in the defenses turnaround from a disastrous 2006 season. He easily stepped right in to "quarterback" the defense, and his leadership was quickly visible. The undersized linebacker will be 33 years old when the 2008 season starts, and cannot be expected to play many more years. His possible replacement in the middle of the defense, H.B. Blades, appeared in all 16 games during the season, filling in at both outside LB spots and played well. The coaches have been impressed with his preparation and work ethic. At 5-10 and 250lbs., he is a near clone of London Fletcher-Baker. A tackling machine in college, Blades has a good chance to take over for Fletcher-Baker over the next year or two, while taking advantage of playing behind seasoned veteran.
Strong Side Linebacker(The Sam): Marcus Washington started the season at the strong side spot (lining up over the offense's tight end) and was designated the player to put his hand on the ground and rush the passer from the left defensive end position on passing downs. M. Washington suffered a pulled hamstring early, and struggled to recover, missing 4 games, missing time in several others. Finishing the season with 48 tackles and 5 sakcs, it was a disappointing season for Marcus Washington, but was an improvement over his 2006 campaign. Randall Godfrey, H.B. Blades, Khary Campbell and Matt Sinclair spent time filling in at the position. There are many who doubt Marcus Washington's ability to continue as a premier linebacker in the NFL, and the Redskins should be looking for his replacement in this years draft. There is no replacement waiting in the wings at the strong side linebacker position, and depth is a major concern.
Week Side Linbacker(The Will): 2nd Year Player Rocky McIntosh started 2007 as the starter on the weakside, and proved that the Redskins knew what they were doing when they traded up in the second round to select him in the 2006 NFL draft. Posting 87 tacklesm forcing three fumbles and collecting 3 sacks, he was having a very good season when he was injured early in the week 15 matchup against the eventual Super Bowl Champion NY Giants. His injury was originally reported to be quite severe, tearing both the ACL and MCL in his left knee. According to Redskins.com, McIntosh is expected back by the start of the season, but since that report, there have been rumors that he may also have a degenerative knee condition, that could plague him his entire career. Such a condition could also cut significantly short a promising career for the young McIntosh. Veteran Randall Godfrey got most of the playing time following McIntosh's injury, but is likely going to finally retire. H.B. Blades and veteran backup Khary Campbell also filled at the position and will likely be the primary backups at all 3 line backer positions.
Overall the LB position is in dire need of depth, and future starters. With 9 line backers currently under contract, the Redskins have several young LBs on the roster that can best be described as special teams players, Danny Verdun-Wheeler, Matt Sinclair and Rian Wallace are some young guys the Redskins hope will compete for more, but expectations won't be high. Rocky McIntosh is a star in the making, but returning from his injury is the first step, and we don't know how long that will take, or how effective he will be in the first year back. Players are often NOT at 100% pre-injury performance in the first year returning from reconstructive knee surgery. Expect line backer to be addressed in the upcoming draft, and much emphasis placed on the position in the undrafted class following the draft. The line backer position could easily go from a position of strength for the Redskins to a significant weakness if the team is not able to find some young talent quickly.

Defensive Backs

Corner Back: 3rd year player and former first round pick, Carlos Rogers and 11 year veteran Shawn Springs (also a former first round pick) started the 2007 season and both played well. Leading up to his injury in the week eight debacle against New England Patriots, his progress was obvious. The Redskins defense was ranked in the top 10 against the pass at the time and his play had been a major factor. Returning from such a major knee injury (torn ACL and MCL) will likely mean he will not be ready for the start of the 2008 season, and may not be very effective upon his return. Shawn Springs is entering his 12th season and at 33 years old, the Redskins cannot rely on him for an entire 16 game season. Although he played in all 16 games, starting 15, one must question his ability to stay healthy and be effecitve again in 2008. Fred Smoot returned to the Redskins and showed immediately that his time in Minnesota was likely simply a bad fit for the seven year veteran. While he battled a hamstring injury early in the season, missing three games. He showed his toughness, playing through the injury. And then took over for Carlos Rogers when he went down for the season. Smoot and Springs play down the stretch was a major contributor to Washington's push into the playoffs, and both will return for 2008. David Macklin was signed in the 2007 off season in the hopes that the former starter would be an upgrade as a backup. But he only appeared in six games, and never earned the confidence of the coaching staff. He is not returning for 2008. Second year player Leigh Torrence saw action in all 16 games in 2007 as the third and fourth corner, and occasionally at safety. He also earned the confidence of the coaching staff, and will have a chance for even more playing time in 2008. Second year player John Eubanks also saw action in 2007, playing in 6 games before being injured in week 15. Signed as undrafted rookie and spending all but the final week of the 2006 season on the practice squad, he is another player who has earned the confidence of the coaching staff and will be given the opportunity to compete for playing time.
Safety: The obvious: Sean Taylor is gone. Breaking down his play before his murder would be an effort in futility, but I would like to express my severe sense of loss. The Redskins organization, the NFL as a whole, and all that knew and loved him continue to miss him. Following the loss of Sean Taylor, second year player and 2006 late round draft pick, Reed Doughty was inserted along side rookie first round pick Laron Landry, and quickly torched for four touchdowns by the Cowboys QB Tony Romo and WR Terrell Owens. Things didn't look good. But then DC Gregg Williams moved Doughty to strong safety, and Landry to free safety, and things improved immediately. Doughty showed that he fit much better at strong safety and played very well down the stretch. Laron Landry started every game as a rookie, lending a little credence to the Redskins payer evaluation process. Landry finished the season with 95 tackles, tied for fifth in the NFL for defensive backs. Earning the nickname "dirty thirty", he did a fine job of continuing the tradition of hard hitting safeties for the Redskins. Pierson Prioleau saw action in 15 games in 2007, returning from a knee injury suffered on opening day in 2006. He played at every position the defensive backfield at one time or another and was heavily relied upon by then DC Gregg Williams. He is not under contract for the 2008 season and many believe he will ultimately follow Gregg Williams to Jacksonville. Seven year veteran Vernon Fox played in 14 games in 2008 after starting much of the 2006 season. He will likely return for 2008 and compete for a backup role at both safety positions.

Overall the defensive backs are set. Injuries are a concern for Carlos Rogers, and many believe the Redskins will be looking for another safety to compete with Reed Doughty for one of the starting spots opposite Laron Landry. The Redskins currently list only three safeties on the roster, Doughty, Landry and Fox. Obviously, more will be brought in to compete for playing time and as backups, whether it be via the draft or free agency. There are currently seven corner backs listed on the roster. Byron Westbrook and Cedric Holt are both undrafted free agents who have not seen any game action yet. Westbrook spent the 2007 season on the Redskins practice squad, and the coaching staff has been quoted as saying he has great potential. Holt is a third year player who was signed in January 2008 by the Redskins after spending the 2007 training camp with the Indianapolis Colts. He was signed as an undrafted rookie by the Tennessee Titans in 2006.

A youth movement occurred for the Redskins Defense in 2007. I thoroughly expect that trend to continue in 2008. The Redskins needs are obvious, age and injury make the defensive line, line backer and corner back positions concern. Can Carlos Rogers return and be close enough to 100% to be effective? Can Rocky McIntosh return from his injury and be effective? With so many corner backs on the roster, are the Redskins concerned about the corner back position or are they covered? Can they find a pass rush defensive end or a dominant defensive tackle in the draft? These are the questions dogging the Redskins front office and must be answered on April 26th and 27th. With nine picks in the upcoming draft, the Redskins have the opportunity to prepare the team for a solid run into the future. Can they get it done right? I have high expectations, and I think they can.

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