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Coach Jim Zorn said he is "really disappointed" and "hurting." Rock Cartwright said, "It's us against the world."

So the week began in Ashburn, Barry Svrluga writes.

Tracee Hamilton brought another set of eyes -- her own -- to Redskins Park on Monday. And Rick Maese breaks down the offensive line.

Over at "Washington Post Live" on Comcast SportsNet, Svrluga, Ivan Carter, Brian Mitchell and John Feinstein talked about, what else, Sunday's game.


By Cindy Boren  |  October 13, 2009; 9:30 AM ET
 
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Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I'm not suggesting the team lay down - I just would rather see us go 4-12 and maybe, JUST MAYBE Danny will realize it needs to be blown up, than go 7-9 and still suscribe to the "one player away" theory for another year.

Plus, a top 5 draft pick can be traded for a first and second rounder.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

john feinstein is right. stop going to the games. let snyder move the team to la. lets get a new team in here without a racist name and new ownership. ok, go.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 13, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

JC is a joke of a QB, the problem is though he is nowhere near the biggest problem this team has. Other than Cooley, Moss, and Dockery essentially the entire offense needs to be replaced....that's unbelievable and out of what's on our roster on the offensive side of the ball JC is low on the list of what needs immediate attention, and trust me it pains me to say that, but with the oline we have it doesn't matter who the qb is.

Here is my rebuilding plan, and in today's NFL it can be done in a year not 37 seasons like some people seem to think especially because we'll be able to cut anyone we want thanks to the uncapped year. I don't think there will be any top notch talent on the market but I do think there will be a lot of players available that can be signed to reasonable short term deals as stop gaps while young players are drafted and developed.

First - Fire Zorn, Fire Cerrato.

Hire - My preference would be Casserly as GM and Grimm as Head Coach but anything that gets Vinny and Zorny gone I'm fine with.

Cut:
W. Mont.
Batiste
BMW
Heyer
Smoot
Griffen
R. Thomas
Samuels
Portis
Betts
Daniels/Wynn (probably will retire anyway)
Rock
Collins
ARE
Carter

Re-Sign:
Rogers
JC

Sign: none of these marquee names biggest contract ever guys (don't think any will be out there anyway) but just middle tier solid vets.
1 guard
2 tackles
1 DE
2 LB
1 Corner
1 RB

Draft:
Round 1 Okung or Williams
Round 2 QB (looking like Jevon Snead could be slipping) and let him sit for a year behind JC
Round 3 - gone Jarmon
Round 4 take a speed back
Round 5 - gone Taylor
Round 6 Guard
Round 7 best available flier

Bring in a bunch of undrafted RBs, LBs, DEs, and WRs.

Bring Colt back in as your 3rd QB, put all the WRs on notice that they are on the chopping block if they don't perform.

That's it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Put all the young bucks in there, see who we want to keep.

Decide if we are a running team, a passing team or a balanced team. Right now, I dont think anyone knows what we are.

RE-Mutha-Fuggin-BUILD!!! We are not one or two players away, we are 8-10 players away.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 13, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm afraid this team is headed for a very ugly implosion. Joe Gibbs had the ability to hold a team together even in horrible times, Jim Zorn doesn't have a chance.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | October 13, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Re: Zorn, The PR Gaffe, and Throwing the challenge Flag.

HE made a mistake and is not owning up to it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I'm not suggesting the team lay down - I just would rather see us go 4-12 and maybe, JUST MAYBE Danny will realize it needs to be blown up, than go 7-9 and still suscribe to the "one player away" theory for another year.

Plus, a top 5 draft pick can be traded for a first and second rounder.

Posted by: Rypien11 | October 13, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse


Been saying this since last week.

Snerrato has screwed things up sooooo badly that our only real hope is total tankage such that Danny will be pummeled by criticism, hatred and embarassment to the point of making some real fundamental changes, not just to the team but to the FO itself.

Kind of like burning the house down to collect the insurance...

Although it's a bit disappointing to hear the Gruden seems the front-runner b/c he said he can work within the current FO structure.

So much for hardcore...at least Shanahan (it seems) has the stones to tell Danny he will not work with Sideshow Vinny.

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I love how Snyder was so mad at the team he "punished" them by not riding in team plane.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

john feinstein is right. stop going to the games. let snyder move the team to la. lets get a new team in here without a racist name and new ownership. ok, go.

Posted by: BMACattack | October 13, 2009 9:39 AM |

Stop with the racist name jackaZZ, Danny didn't make up the name and if you think JKC would change the name you are crazy.

They is no getting a new team there is one Redskins, thats it there is no other nickname for the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 13, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Choices, Choices, Choices....

Let me see:

Notable 2010 Free Agents

Steve Breaston--yes, punter returner/decent receiver

Jared Gaither/Mike Gandy--yes, either tackle

Plus: I draft a second round right tackle after taking a speedy running back in the 1st round.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to trade down. I don't want more offensive lineman. We have plenty of offensive linemam. I want the best offensive lineman.

I want
First round: Russel Okung or Trent Williams

I think we are going to pick ahead of the Lions, Bills, Packers, and Niners. Those teams will probably want tackles too. The Chiefs may pick before us so we should get either Okung or Trent Williams assuming the Chiefs take one of those two.

Second round: Mike Johnson or another tackle if there are still some good ones left like the guy from USC or Ciron Black. We really need two tackles. We could keep Dockery and plug BMW in at guard and draft 2 tackles. That would give us a decent line for 2011. Then in 2011 we can take the best guards and possibly a center.

Hopefully either sergio render or john jerry fall to the 4th round and we can get one of them.


Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

That MNF game was amazing....its so fun watching the NFL. I wish the kins were in the NFL...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Vince Lombardi saying he's "disappointed" and "hurt"? You know, all Zorn needs is a hug... and a boot out the door. Why is it so clear to me that this coach is no coach at all. A few weeks back he said he didn't think he had lost the team. He never had the team. There is no team. It is just a collection of free lancing individuals. Think of any past football coach that was successful. Did any of them say "stay medium"? I am tired of this kinder and gentler style of coaching. If you ask me, it is just plain wimpy. We need a tough as nails coach that won't take any prisoners.

When the next guy steps in, the first thing he needs to do is shut up the players and keep them from whining to the press. How did Carlos Rogers play himself into a position to criticize the front office? Last I heard, he had two drops so far this season that could have been interceptions.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 13, 2009 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Kins..ha! I meant Sins....Maybe Kins would be a cool new nickname.....very west VA.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

SELL THE TEAM!

SELL THE TEAM!

SELL THE TEAM!

Start the chant this week at FedEx Field!

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 13, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Heard all of Rock's comments on the radio this morning.

The man needs to worry about playing special teams and stop worrying about who is a fair weather fan and who isn't.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, kins sound very WV. I drank some Busch beer there one time. The WVians call it Boooohhsshh. Emphasis on the Boooohhh

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 13, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

pa, wasn't the whole problem with Rhino, that he lost confidence after last year, so he works hard in the off season, RT gets hurt, he steps in and from all estimations plays well, then after 2 games gets the rug swept out from under him??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 8:34 AM |

Know your metaphors dude. With a rug either you sweep something under it or you pull it out from under someone. You don't sweep it out from under someone.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Imagine the Monday night game with the Eagles: Zorn's last stand to save his job with every strategy move and play call being critiqued by the guy (Gruden) who just may be our next head coach (conceivably even for our the next game).

The players better really show some hustle or we may be seeing some player cuts live during the game.

Talk about must see TV!!!

Posted by: hapster | October 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Rock is looking way more a fool than Rogers. What does Rock do again. At least you could make the argument that Rogers covers his dude.

Rock has been on the team longest enough to know the score...

C'mon media and fans....you are KILLING US on the field........

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Heard all of Rock's comments on the radio this morning.

The man needs to worry about playing special teams and stop worrying about who is a fair weather fan and who isn't.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Rock doesnt need to worry about playing ST. He doesnt make stupid mistakes. Hes trying to hold this thing together. Can you imagine being at the center of this tornado that is Redskins park for the last 3/4 weeks? I dont blame him for spitting back.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 13, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The team needs a 2 year plan for overhauling the whole roster. I would institute a new philosophy during the rebuilding process. Simple rules, No free agents over 25 will be signed. Any active players over 30 are on the trading block. Anyone who's not playing up to their pay check watch their @$$. I would not be opposed to trading back in the first round this year for a 1st rounder next year that way we can handle a year of cap issues (if there is a cap).

QB- Re-sign Campbell while publicly saying that he is the QB through the re-building process, a 2-3 year deal, and once we sign a QB of the future through the draft, its up to that guy to beat him out for the starting spot. Jason Campbell is not great but he is loyal, and that is still worth something. I would not mind cutting collins right now, and going after a free agent QB. The problem is really that there are no great Free Agent QB's out there next year unless an unexpected cut occurs. So either you get an unproven rookie or JC or a FAQB probably worse then JC.

RB's-All of our RB's are dead men walking. This is a big position of need. I watch to see if any of the good backup RB's out there are released I would grab a few. Maybe keep 1 of the guys on this roster out of necessity but move to a 2 back system for a while.

WR- El and Moss are trade bate at this point. Keep the three young WR's and hope a real position coach can help them progress. Short term sign 1-2 FA WR's to replace Moss or El if they are lost, in 2 or 3 seasons when issues of the line are solved, look to draft a new WR or sign an elite WR. I will throw TE's in here, keep Davis and Cooley and lets find a younger blocking TE (or maybe convert a young lineman to blocking TE).

O-Line- Maybe we keep Heyer, Rhinheart and Dockery, not giving any of them a starting spot, every spot on my roster is open fight for position. But the first 4 picks in the draft need to be on the line, if not the entire draft needs to focus on that. Samuels and Randy are probably going to join the Alumni association this year, cut the Center as he looks past his prime.

D-Line- Basicly one spot we are in okay shape. I assume old guys will retire but move Orakpo and Jarmon to starting DE, keep our 4 DT's, and Carter as backup DE.

OLB- probably the area the team needs to upgrade most after O-line. We need a real backup MLB and future replacement for LFB. Also, Rocky Mac is I think at the peak of his potential, which is not terrible but he is not going to be a game changer. All our backups at LB are nothing more then special teams guys. Basically we need a starting OLB a backup OLB and a Backup MLB (who has potential to start).

DB- Get a Free Safty, cut smoot, keep Hall-Rogers for now, trade Horton or LaRon for picks as we have a glut of SS's and Doguhty at least has shown to be an amazing run stopper. I like our other CB's enough but if there was a bigger corner available I think it may be worth a look.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah 4th, I was screaming in the sports bar "PUNT"...

so d-u-m-b (everyones accusing me)

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

for those who watched the game, how did bmw play at RG??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I was for it at the time. But as Daly shows, we have failed on 4th and short for like 4 weeks in a row.

You have to question Zorn's mental and eternal optimisim after reaching his lowest offensive statisical game since coaching this team.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

for those who watched the game, how did bmw play at RG??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

He held up I think (we ran to the right more then the left). But I am not expert on line play.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

At least you could make the argument that Rogers covers his dude.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse


You could make the argument...although I don't know how well it would stand up under scrutiny.

Though I agree with the sentiment that Rock needs to stop boohooing about the fans. He should be more focused on the team's fairweather performances. When you have people who have been fans for decades now coming out in droves saying that this team makes them sick, that's not fairweather...

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Rock used to be one of my favorite players. But he is starting to turn.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Its sad that Alex has a better plan going forward for the skins than Cerrato

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Losing is a cancer.

It infects everything a guy does.

And the redskins have 53 guys who've been infected with systemic loss for a couple of seasons now.

A win against the chiefs really has got to happen.

A loss before the bye gives the fans and team nothing to root for, especially seeing how the schedule gets real tough.

4-12 is okay if you are re-building.

But we ain't re-building, so 4-12 is like the smell that says you've worked hard all day for nothing.

I don't know about you, but I like to see my team win.

Let's hope we get a "W" this week.

If not, things will surely stink around here.

Go skins!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Rock doesnt need to worry about playing ST. He doesnt make stupid mistakes. Hes trying to hold this thing together. Can you imagine being at the center of this tornado that is Redskins park for the last 3/4 weeks? I dont blame him for spitting back.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | October 13, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

No he needs to worry about doing his job.

How is coming out swinging at the media and fans helping to hold this thing together?

I get his point that they aren't 0-5, but they are 5 total points away from being winless against bad competition. People are just calling it like they see it.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

for those who watched the game, how did bmw play at RG??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:16 AM

He looked OK. He was good against the run I thought. He did give p some pressure in pass pro, but nothing too bad. IMO he's better than Rhino, but I'd like to see how Rhino and BMW will do. The running game should be vastly improved on that side.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

He looked OK. He was good against the run I thought. He did give p some pressure in pass pro, but nothing too bad. IMO he's better than Rhino, but I'd like to see how Rhino and BMW will do. The running game should be vastly improved on that side.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Now all we need is a running back.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

for those who watched the game, how did bmw play at RG??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, it was jail-break city on alot of plays so it was hard to tell who was at fault with all the defenders swarming the backfield.

The offense consistently failed to sustain drives, so that made it impossible to watch him work with the unit for any real length of time.

When CP26 got caught for the safety, it happened b/c a bunch of the defenders collapsed the right side of the line where BMW and Heyer were blocking.

Let's just say he did precious little to silence the critics that are saying he shouldn't be in the NFL right now.

But the fact that he was inserted at RG to begin with is yet another indication of a flailing clueless coaching staff and/or incompetent players on the line.

When Thomas went down, much was made of a Rhino vs. Montgomery battle for the starting spot. A week later we get (drum roll) BMW ?!?!

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

heavy jumbo , Portis up the gut on 1st and 2nd down EVERY single time,

where are Kendall, Fabini, and Geisenger

BMW had a real nice fumble recovery, he's clearly got size and a little burst, he's going to get beat on some plays.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The team need to draft a running back but we need to start giving Marcus the ball more. Using AA in certain situation. We have some backs but the younger backs need real game experience. Preseason is Preseason but the real thing is a different ball game. Marcus has look good running the ball the past few weeks but he is getting one or two carries which is not enough. The season is not lost but we need to start building from what we have inside the team first. Portis is still a good back but he should not be used as the focal point back for every series. The yardage is piling up on him and he can use a longer breather between plays.... Use him more in the 4th quarter when his experience is needed the most.....

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 13, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

for those who watched the game, how did bmw play at RG??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

It was hard to tell since Batiste and Heyer were getting beaten so badly. I thought he played well from what I could see. There was just too much pressure from the edges it didn't matter how long BMW held up. The pocket was gone and the play was over before he would have been beaten anyway. He did get some good puch in the run game. I'm hoping him and Rhino get the right side next week. Then all we need is a running back and we could probably win by running right every play.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

That MNF game was amazing....its so fun watching the NFL. I wish the kins were in the NFL...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:05 AM |

Just to elaborate on your pint a little bit:

1. Both teams had good OL QB protection. No sacks, time to throw.
2. Both teams cornverted a good % of their 3rd downs.
3. Both teams had RBs that made breakaway runs.
4. There was innovative play calling. Wildcats in the 4th qtr. Henning the Phins OC is a Gibbs 1.0 disciple.
5. Both teams had WRs getting open and catching the ball.
6. Both teams had QBs who threw long accurate bombs.
7. Both teams had QBs who directed come-from-behind drives in the 4th qtr when the game was on the line.

It was like black and white between what you saw on Sunday and what you saw on Monday.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Its sad that Alex has a better plan going forward for the skins than Cerrato

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 10:20 AM

Alex is a dreamer. He dares for formulate "a two year plan." Snyder thinks in terms of one year plans, and that is "long range."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

He looked OK. He was good against the run I thought. He did give p some pressure in pass pro, but nothing too bad. IMO he's better than Rhino, but I'd like to see how Rhino and BMW will do. The running game should be vastly improved on that side.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse


???

"The Panthers' rush defense entered Sunday's game last in the NFL, allowing more than 182 yards per game. The Redskins managed just 74 yards on 24 carries."

Your hard-pressed to credit BMW (or any of the linemen) for looking "good" in run-blocking.

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

for those who watched the game, how did bmw play at RG??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

looked like they were able to run a little behind him but in pass pro he was mediocre at best.

Bean we've been vibing so much lately I hate to disrupt our flow, but I am curious how you feel about our backfield situation now? Remember when I argued with you that CP is average and Betts and Rock were horrible, do you still think its a strength? IMO Portis, Betts, and Rock all need to go. Also we have to start getting Mason and Alridge involved so we know what we have there....thoughts?

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

It was like black and white between what you saw on Sunday and what you saw on Monday.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 10:25 AM

Well, but it didn't have any blockers getting shoved into a punt returner, followed by a coach's challenge. That's something you don't see every day in the NFL.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The skins have appeared as a slow team for years. They always seemed one step behind whoever they are playing. I wonder does not having an indoor practice facility limit their running activities/drills to improve speed, particularly during inclement weather. How many times has the skins cancelled or shortened practice due to weather conditions? I'd like to find out how many teams have an indoor practice field. Anyone aware????

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Banker

Mason is not the answer at running back. The fact the he is on the team speaks to how incompetent the FO is. He is another 5'10 guy with no real speed. He is basically a Betts clone without the blocking skill. Hopefully the skins will address this problem next year with a Noel Devine type of back but I wouldnt be surprised if they did nothing as usual.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Guys. The run-blocking was crap.

Why is everyone eager to feed kudos to BMW?

Yeah, he's a giant fat guy who could lean on the dude in front of him. I guess that's serviceable on some level.

But we managed 74 yards on 24 carries against a run-defense that had entered the game ranked last in the NFL.

That sucks. The run-blocking sucks.

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

zj, I think that Portis/Betts still could be a viable group, had they some blocking in front of them...certainly not the best, but not the worst either...

on a seperate note, this game versus KC has me worried....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Yo fartez, "duh" that was sorta summed up by my "I wish the Skins were in the NFL" line..

Nice list though, I am impressed you can count!

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I've been hired as a consultant. Having no football experience and being 51 years old and 30 pounds overweight qualifies me to state the solutions:
1. Bring back Joe Gibbs has the Head of Football Operations. Give him a stake in ownership (10% to 20%) and let him hire the GM.
2. The GM (younger than 45)and Gibbs hire the Head Coach (younger than 45) and fire Zorn, Buges, and anyone else currently on staff.
3. Snyder agrees to run the marketing of the team but stay clear of film rooms, locker rooms and the players parking lot.
4. Gibbs agrees to keep Vinnie on so that Redskin One is always fueled up and shiny.
5. The rebuilding of a great organization begins - dead weight is tossed overboard and pride is restored.

Posted by: rastines | October 13, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

looked like they were able to run a little behind him but in pass pro he was mediocre at best.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 10:28 AM

mediocre? That would make him one of the two or three best on the 'Skins. Woo-hoo! We've got an upgrade!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Its sad that Alex has a better plan going forward for the skins than Cerrato

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Is it sad because I am a borderline alcoholic who has not had a good nights sleep in 3 days and makes a living doing low end video work, or because Cerrato makes more in a year then 1/2 this blog put together?

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Just a comment from another set of eyes (mine): I was listening to Peyton Manning on the radio while he explained that the secret to the success of Indy's offense was execution. Manning said that he's really only calling eight or nine basic plays and the team focuses in practice on executing those to perfection. He believes that helps their offense overcome the inevitable injuries, because the backups don't have to know as many plays.

Sounds like Manning's job is to make the right call in the right situation, rather than to master a massive playbook.

Could there be a lesson for the Skins in that? The less you ask your team to learn, the better they are at learning it?

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to find out how many teams have an indoor practice field. Anyone aware????

Posted by: pennstate1 | October 13, 2009 10:29 AM |

I believe we are the only team without one.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 13, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Alex

Im going have to go with the latter.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

mediocre? That would make him one of the two or three best on the 'Skins. Woo-hoo! We've got an upgrade!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

honestly TE, for 5 years off and all that I thought BMW looked pretty serviceable at RG. He honestly could be an answer there like Leonard Davis in Dallas. His size there is a plus and inside he can't get exposed laterally, if he gets his strength and leverage back he really could be decent there I think.

and bean, I watched the Dallas vs. KC game, we could be in big big trouble. Heyer was a grease fire on the right now he's on the left and all those nice things I just said about BMW are negated when he's back outside playing tackle trying to block the edge. Cassel looked pretty good too, we could be in real trouble Sunday, not that it matters since 3 in conference losses and last in our division already means the season is over, but two losses to KC and Philly heading into the bye and this team is going to totally fall apart. Zorn is already gone, just a question of when, but a loss to KC and a blowout loss against Philly and its scary to think how many heads might roll and how bad it could get.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer

I don't think Mason is the complete answer but the kid can run the ball. Mason don't have 4-3 speed but I am sure he has what is called JUST ENOUGH SPEED which many running backs in the league have. Emmitt Smith had Just Enough speed and so did Curtis Martin and many other to name a few. But Mason is a much better inside runner than Betts with better vision. The blocking will come with time and games played. Marcus is much more durable than Betts so again he can be made to be a compliment back which every team has and need because the Running back position is the shortest live position because of the pounding one takes.

Posted by: thebanker21 | October 13, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Just a comment from another set of eyes (mine): I was listening to Peyton Manning on the radio ...

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2009 10:36 AM |

Okay, but to get all technical, it seems like a comment from another set of fingers, based on another set of ears.

And, I think the less for the 'Skins is that you should try to find another Payton Manning to be your QB.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | October 13, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

rofl:

"I'm dealing with that by, I ask myself questions," Zorn said. "What are we doing? Are we doing it right? Do we have the elements we need to be a successful offense? Has the scheme taken advantage of our opponent? Are we using our players? I'm asking all those questions, and I ask them every week. . . .

Let me help you out with the answers there Jimmy:
nobody knows but not much is the easy call
no
no
not even remotely
no

in addition, you're making poor gameday personnel decisions, your clock management is atrocious, your play-calling resembles the stuff I have to pick up when I walk my doggie, you aren't holding any players accountable for their mistakes, you aren't motivating the team to play hard or smart, you aren't a leader or a disciplinarian, and oh yeah you're weekly making idiotic in-game decisions on challenges, penalties, and 4th down go no-go choices.

Other than that, great work and warm up that resume buddy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Zorn is already gone, just a question of when, but a loss to KC and a blowout loss against Philly and its scary to think how many heads might roll and how bad it could get.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Why is that scary?

I'm hoping for some widespread head-rolling and really really hoping that Vinny's is one of them.

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Banker

How can you tell if Mason is durable being that he has had like 10 carries? You are basing your assessment of his preseason success. That being said we do need a change up in the backfield. I thought that was why they brought back Aldridge, guess not.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Guys. The run-blocking was crap.

Why is everyone eager to feed kudos to BMW?

Yeah, he's a giant fat guy who could lean on the dude in front of him. I guess that's serviceable on some level.

But we managed 74 yards on 24 carries against a run-defense that had entered the game ranked last in the NFL.

That sucks. The run-blocking sucks.

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, BMW actually pushed someone out of the way. The stat line doesn't show that he was the only effective run blocker or that CP fell down a lot and hit the hole about as hard as a wet paper bag.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

If the thinking is that next year's draft is deep, I say start blowing it up NOW. Do whatever you can to unload anyone of interest to other teams and load up bigtime on draft picks. I really think this is what should have been done when Gibbs 2.0 left instead of trying to morph his team into Zorn's. Plus, in-season moves can sometimes net a better pick if the other team is in need and thinks it's a contender (exhibit A...Taylor trade). Let the purging begin!!

Posted by: fzone | October 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I've gotta tell you, not being able to listen to the game, watch the game, or get on the computer and follow it there...was cathartic...especially considering all that transpired...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If the thinking is that next year's draft is deep, I say start blowing it up NOW. Do whatever you can to unload anyone of interest to other teams and load up bigtime on draft picks. I really think this is what should have been done when Gibbs 2.0 left instead of trying to morph his team into Zorn's. Plus, in-season moves can sometimes net a better pick if the other team is in need and thinks it's a contender (exhibit A...Taylor trade). Let the purging begin!!

Posted by: fzone | October 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Totally agree but it will never happen. I would be shipping anyone on offense I could except Cooley and Dockery. I'd see if anyone has any interest in Smoot but other than that I'd leave the defense alone. I have to believe though GG in NO might want a guy like Smoot to help him down there. But on the offensive side of the ball there would be one big "For Sale Any Reasonable Offer Accepted, Ridiculous Ones Considered" sign and I'd be calling every GM in the league to make sure than can read it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Is there a reason they're not thinking of bringing Kendall back in with all of these issues on the OL? I know he's old, but Kendall > Williams/Rhino.

Posted by: hobbes9 | October 13, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

1. Bring back Joe Gibbs has the Head of Football Operations. Give him a stake in ownership (10% to 20%) and let him hire the GM.
2. The GM (younger than 45)and Gibbs hire the Head Coach (younger than 45) and fire Zorn, Buges, and anyone else currently on staff.

Posted by: rastines | October 13, 2009 10:33 AM |

I am just as much a JG fan as anybody but I think his FB IQ has gotten a little rusty over the years he has been away from the game. His personnel decisions in 2.0 were not too sharp. You had the 4 duds - Arch, Cart, Lloyd and ARE. And then you had the curious choice of Al Saunders to come in and take over the offense when he probably could have gotten his old buddy Henning to do it and if you saw the Phins/Jets last night you saw that Henning is still one of the best O minds around.

Posted by: FartezDudmore | October 13, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Casey Rabach sucks i mean really sucks he is getting blown up almost every play. i know he's smart and gets all the guys lined up and everything but he is supposed to be the linchpin in the middle that allows campbell to step up in the pocket thats why the panthers and bucs and whoever else had a taste for campbell soup got to get a free lick on the QB alot of it is Campbell's pocket awareness but even if he had that clock in his head that tells him "its pressure of the edge step up" he would step right over Rabach and into the arms of a hungry DT starving for some Campbell soup. I know our line sucks but even if it didnt Campbell still won't go down the field or release the ball at the end of his drop for fear of a INT i dont blame the young recievers for them not getting the ball if he throws to them at least they get an oppurtunity to make a play it's always look for Moss then Cooley if its not there check it down he doesn't even look Kelly's way because he dosent have the time because it's always a DT stepping over Rabach on his way to get some Campbell soup.

HTTR RIP#21 if he was here he would bring that passion for the game back these guys are playng not to lose instead of playing to win

Posted by: cpt55back | October 13, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Classic Crock or Classic Canfora?

Jason La Canfora
Possible Redskins coaching replacements are in-house

After the Redskins again lost to a previously winless team Sunday, owner Daniel Snyder was highly upset, according to team sources, and didn’t fly home on the team plane.

That in and of itself isn’t entirely unusual, particularly with the league meetings scheduled for Monday through Wednesday in Boston. But Redskins coach Jim Zorn’s job remains in jeopardy after the 20-17 loss to the Panthers, and with defensive coordinator Greg Blache no longer talking to the media because of a health condition and nearing the end of his coaching career, those close to the 2-3 team see two candidates as possible interim replacements should Zorn be fired in-season.

Snyder has long spoken highly of Danny Smith, his fiery special teams coach. Smith is often found close to Zorn on the sideline when the coach has major decisions to make during a game. Other coaches currently on staff could help Smith run special teams if he took on the role of interim head coach, and the hiring of offensive consultant Sherman Lewis last week gives the team someone to manage that side of the ball should Zorn be let go.

Secondary coach Jerry Gray also would be an option. He is handling Blache’s media obligations and, with the coordinator contemplating retirement in recent years, has been seen as a candidate to eventually replace him.

Snyder blocked Smith from interviewing for a special teams job with the Packers during the offseason and kept Gray from interviewing for the Texans’ defensive coordinator opening as well. Both Smith and Gray have strong personalities, and players respond well to them.

If either were named to replace Zorn as the Redskins’ interim head coach, I wouldn’t be surprised. With Lewis just joining the team Wednesday, making a move this week would be difficult, but with the bye looming in Week 8, a change this month wouldn’t surprise many around the league.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

"Zorn said Samuels has been playing the past three seasons with stenosis -- a narrowing in the spine -- which is why he plays with large neck pads protruding from the back of his jersey."

Not to beat a dead horse or anything but if this isn’t an indictment of the front office failures I don’t know what is. They’ve known about his neck condition for THREE years but didn’t see fit to address OT in the draft. Sheesh. I hope Snyder does go after one of the big name coaches if for no other reason than that they will demand control over personnel and maybe, just maybe we'd get some long overdue return to normalcy.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Danny's up in Bahstahn?? I'm taking him out forah chowdah.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Agreed with the posters who watched MNF and saw what a wide gulf exists between the Washington Redskins and the rest of the NFL.

We're clubbing away like the Flintstones and them other guys are fighting with light sabers.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

“After the Redskins again lost to a previously winless team Sunday, owner Daniel Snyder was highly upset, according to team sources, and didn’t fly home on the team plane.”

It’s petulant crap like this that makes Snyder so unlikeable. What a tool.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

on a seperate note, this game versus KC has me worried....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Whats to be worried about? We have seen what this team is. A team that can't run, pass, or protect a lead. A coach that calls running plays with 6 min left in the 4th quarter with no timeouts. We essentially ran the clock out on ourselves. This season is over, now I am interested in watching the carnage pile up in Ashburn, potential head coaching/gm candidates popping up etc. Come on April and the draft.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

But we managed 74 yards on 24 carries against a run-defense that had entered the game ranked last in the NFL.

That sucks. The run-blocking sucks.

Posted by: p1funk | October 13, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Agreed the OL needs to improve in run blocking, particularly Heyer, but some of the issues was on CP. His age (football age) is showing. I recall the announcer saying, if he was able to get by that guy it would have been a big gain. CP isn't making some of the plays like he used to.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Agreed with the posters who watched MNF and saw what a wide gulf exists between the Washington Redskins and the rest of the NFL.

We're clubbing away like the Flintstones and them other guys are fighting with light sabers.


Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

We don't even know how bad it is yet. We weren't competitive against the Giants and we have been awful against the dregs of the NFL. We only have two of those left, this week and Oakland later. Other than that our schedule is brutal the rest of the way, it could be really ugly, I mean St. Louis Rams ugly.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

That was fun watching real NFL teams last night. Exciting stuff.

Also, on the Fins last pass play of the game...the planned roll out with Henne to the right...loved it. Reminded me of how it used to be done here.
With the OL in shambles [putting it mildly], would love to see Zorny get creative and incorporate some roll outs so JC doesn't get destroyed on Sunday. *Sigh*

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

skinswest, he probably flew up to Boston for the owners meetings, so much ado about nothing I'd say....seems like a non-issue

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I said it last name during the MNF. It was a pleasure watching experienced, innovative play calling from both offenses. Every player seemed to be utilized on the offense, I was really fun watching it.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah last nights game was so fun....

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Mista-Moe it's more Croc than anything. It's one thing to be factual and another to find anything to put down Snyder. Snyder is a MAn, he's 40. They should just duke it out. Just because he wasn't on the plane doesn't mean anyhting.

And for people thinking Shem Lewis will be our next OC, y'all are crazy. Zorn will be here through the end of the year...no matter what. Sherm is just taking on this part time roll to help out for a lil change.

Nothing More, Nothing Less.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

To win in the NFL you need three things. One and Offensive line that can dominate. Two a Quarterback that can put the game on his shoulders at any time and take over. Three a defense that can create pressure and force the other team into mistakes. The Redskins are missing two important factors a offensive line and a quarterback. The defense has been getting turnovers and pressure. The offensive line has is old and has no depth. Jason Cambell lets face it folks has had his shot and is a failure. He can not lead this team. Yes he can throw a deep pass but, its the decision making or lack thereof that makes the difference. Bottom line this is a bad football team and who can you blame. Vinny must Go! Danny I have said it a million times hire a damn GM that knows talent and can build a championship caliber team. Instead of trying to make a big splash and hope it will pan out. Wake up Danny your firing blanks!

Posted by: bigjofc | October 13, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The Wildcat offense is fun to watch.

I felt sympathy for the Jet's defenders.

and Braylon Edwards, the malcontent that Mangini cast away, catching bombs from the rookie after being with the Jets for two whole days.

and some guy named David Clowney.

and Ted Ginn JR.

and Darrelle Revis playing DB like a man.

and Ricky Williams leaping over would be tacklers.

and Jason Taylor, looking quite comfortable in his home colors.

and Chad Henne, can they get him a helmet to fit his fat face?

wow. just wow...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

i disagree with the notion that those teams last night we're sooo much better than us.

It is easy to feel that way when you don't really care who wins, there is no emotional attachment.

The Dolphins won at home to go 2-3, we have a chance to win at home to go 3-3

Actually,the Dolphins showed proved that a team can turn it around amidst injuries.

I will continue to look at the full part of the cup not the empty part.

The Jets D was ranked one of the best and they got trampeled! The Carolina D was one of the worst and they stepped up, welcome to the NFL.

Talking about winless teams is a huge spin, The Panthers went 12-4(?) last year that are hardly an untalented team and are factually more of a disappointment then us, so far.

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

support your team,the players,like you support the troops regardless of the politics

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

the wildcat was fun to watch because it was working, that was a great game

for gruden it's mark sanchez,not
mark san chez, that was cracking me up

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

great pabrian is back.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Ugh on pabrian. If you really think the Skins could hang with either of those teams we saw last night, you've been hitting the Ricky Williams Wacky Tobacky too hard.

And for the record, with $$$ riding on the Jets to win, I really did care about the outcome, had an emotional attachment to it, and was pi$$ed they lost...but an absolutely thrilling game to watch.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Big Chris Jenkins reminds me of our Albert Haynesworth, except their big is in better playing shape than ours is.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

We are all impressed with the qb play in Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami, Denver and the Jets. The one thing they all have in common is that they spent high draft picks and big money on their offensive lines. You can complain about JC all you want, but you dont have a franchise qb until to you upgrade your line. All the qbs of the aforementioned teams would have the same record or worse with this line with possibly the exception of Ryan with the Skins.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

LA LA LA LAme Pabrian!

Welcome back!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hi all! Why the long faces?? Our Redskins are bad but life is good. I am like a smack addict at this point - one week at a time.

Hey, here's a thought. Of the last five coaches to win the Super Bowl, 4 of them (Tomlin, Dungy, Cowher, Bellichek) are defensive guys. Surely a lot of offense-minded HC's have won the big one too, but the trend seems towards the former. I like the idea of an up and comer that the players love, a la Tomlin, Singeltary...who else is out there?

HAIL

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | October 13, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I thought I'd add my two cents, since I rarely post any more and only read most of the threads just to make it through the work day.

As a life long fan, like many of you all, I am disappointed with the current "State of the Redskins." Until the culture of the Redskins changes, they will continue to fail as a franchise from a football standpoint (they're successful as a business).

In my opinion, this team needs to be blown up and rebuilt from the ground up. Until this is done, no coach in their right mind will want to come to the nation's capital.

Dan Snyder is a successful business man, but after 10+ years of ownership, it's obvious he knows nothing about football. Until he learns to open his wallet and nothing else, the Redskins won't be able to attract a high caliber head coach. In my opinion, Snyder needs to pay more attention to his business ventures (Six Flags & Johnny Rockets) and leave football to the people who live, breathe & sleep football.

Vinny Cerrato needs to be given his walking papers. It's apparent that he does not know how to build a roster and he and Snyder are more interested in the big fantasy team splash than building the team through the draft and complimenting their draft picks with intelligent free agent signings. The Skins do, however, have a GM in waiting. His name is Morocco Brown and he's been responsible for the late round gems the Skins uncovered in the most recent drafts (Horton & Marko Mitchell) not Vinny Cerrato. Let's give Brown a chance to see what he can do.

I have to admit that I like Jim Zorn. His personality isn't that of your typical NFL coach. However, the question remains, is he able to lead the team to victory? After 21 games, that's difficult to tell. I do believe that he was thrust into the position of head coach, which is unfortunate, especially with this franchise. His 6-2 start to the 2008 season certainly didn't help his case either as expectations were set unreasonably high. Do I think he should coach the remainder of the season? Definitely. Should he be the coach next season? Let's see how 2009 ends.

More thoughts to be posted later...

Posted by: JinxMan | October 13, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Danny's up in Bahstahn?? I'm taking him out forah chowdah.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Maybe ya can take him to Fenway or the site of the old braves stadium, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickerson_Field for a "wicked awswem" historical perspective on the redskins, to remind him that this aint about him, its about something much bigger.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

How can Sherm Lewis possibly say anything other than, "you need an O-line"

it was obvious to all of us for many years, and watching Samuels go down makes it blatantly obvious to everyone with a 'set of eyes'

Campbell had a 100+ rating and Portis had 2 TDs. Sellars missed a bunch of key blocks and went offsides, Mason looked like a junior college player. Alridge doesn't play.

Kendall, Geisenger, Fabini, are they available?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Somebody else please rip Pabrian's post apart please.

I gotta go earn my measly.

HTTR and HTTB!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

4-12, the man with the prophetic handle...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm here to defend my team against ?other skins fans?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm plz Russ freaking Grimm, learned under Cowher and Wisenhunt, has payed his dues as a long time assistant now, his specialty is Oline, he would bring back some nostalgia of the glory years, I think he is the perfect hire.......only if Vinny is canned and a real GM is hired though. Otherwise I could be coaching the team and the results will be the same with Vinny in charge of anything except making sure Snyder's lunch is still warm when he gets it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 13, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

i disagree with the notion that those teams last night we're sooo much better than us.

It is easy to feel that way when you don't really care who wins, there is no emotional attachment.

The Dolphins won at home to go 2-3, we have a chance to win at home to go 3-3

Actually,the Dolphins showed proved that a team can turn it around amidst injuries.

I will continue to look at the full part of the cup not the empty part.

The Jets D was ranked one of the best and they got trampeled! The Carolina D was one of the worst and they stepped up, welcome to the NFL.

Talking about winless teams is a huge spin, The Panthers went 12-4(?) last year that are hardly an untalented team and are factually more of a disappointment then us, so far.

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

support your team,the players,like you support the troops regardless of the politics

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM |
__________________________________________
I concur!

Posted by: Masonman | October 13, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I want Grimm as HC, I love Grimm, I am confident he would be a good HC. I don't think he is working for Snyder...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

@Chia - Braylon's OC @ Cleveland was on the Jets staff last year. They run an almost identical offense with identical terminalogy. So, it was almost seemless.

@ 4-12 - You got caught in the 'Media' hype of the Jets! You didn't see what they did to the Colts on MNF a few weeks back??? The Jets don't have Peyton Manning....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

to heck with the innovation Portis up the gut on 1st and 2nd, look to Campbell to make a play on 3rd.

k.i.s.s.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

4-12, please explain your emotional attachment to the Jets?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

4-12, the man with the prophetic handle...

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:27 AM

Some may say optimistic....just kidding, really.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

masonMan looking to beat the Chiefs to goet to .500

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

A lot of comments about Skins having all this talent but no coaching, chemistry....etc....etc.

OK. Now put on your NFL GM hat from any other team and answer this question: With the exception of Cooley or Orakpo, name me one Redskin you would trade a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounder to get. I can't do it.

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I am now in the top 50 of pickers in the WaPo's pick em league. GO ME!!!

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm isn't a bad idea. Always liked that prospect, but I think Grimm will try to get whoever is responsible for drafts and FA signings to re-build the offensive line.

Snyder ain't high on offensive linemen if you didn't know.

If Danny Smith hires his own staff, or should I say able to, he's not a bad idea either.

I think Danny Smith is a leader. The chapter Zorn skipped over when reading "NFL Coaching For Corny Dummies"

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

pabrian2003, in my mind, it's not that the teams are so much better but on offense, they were coached better than the skins have been, particularly the Fins. It seemed to me that some of the stuff they were doing, the Jets weren't prepared for. I rarely get that sense with the skins. In fact, in the red zone (the skin's or the opponent's) you can bet the house the stretch off tackle run is coming.

Posted by: TWISI | October 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Good point about Braylon's OC in Cleveland being a former Jet.

but still...

that man was on fire.

and Sanchez is a LEADER!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

4th- No, I just had a horrible week picking games. Actually, scratch that...I'm taking the Redskins route and blaming "The Media" for my suckage. Of course, that becomes a circular argument in its own right, but I digress.

Clay figurine on the window- The emotional attachment is to the $$$.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 13, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

"The Jets D was ranked one of the best and they got trampeled! The Carolina D was one of the worst and they stepped up, welcome to the NFL."

"I'm here to defend my team against ?other skins fans?"

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

You're not doing a good job defending anything. So basically, all the worst defenses in the league that the Skins have faced magically stepped up and performed like a top ten defense because that's the NFL? How much do you drool on your keyboard when making these comments?

Posted by: ga8085 | October 13, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

OK let me just take a contrarian view and suggest that at this point in time we DO NOT change the QB, the coach, the coordinators, the GM, or the owner.

Instead, we simplify the schemes and go back to basics. Rather than lamenting our inability to run all those fabulous plays in Jim Zorn's playbook, we focus on doing a really good job of running the very best ones.

If Chris Cooley has to stay in to protect the QB, it's not like we haven't done this before. Joe Gibbs regularly held the TE in as a blocker when the team faced Buddy Ryan's pass rush.

We're always talking about tailoring the schemes to fit the personnel, not the other way around. Well, these are our personnel. Start tailoring.

C'mon, we got a game coming up.


Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Man, those two teams were trading blows!

Boom, boom, boom, and whack back-atcha!

Posted by: Chia_Pet | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Bones

To answer your question: Landry, Moss, Haynesworth, Rocky Mac maybe Portis

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

OK. Now put on your NFL GM hat from any other team and answer this question: With the exception of Cooley or Orakpo, name me one Redskin you would trade a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd rounder to get. I can't do it.

Posted by: bones21 | October 13, 2009 11:32 AM

You probably wouldn't get a 1st but

Landry - still a talent though may be a better SS than FS

Jarmon - largely unproven but I like what I've seen so far. With Daniels hurt I'd like to see him get a lot of PT.

Rogers - good cover guy, good in run support, lousy hands

That's all I got

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, we got a game coming up.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I suggested the other day that I think it would be a good idea to run a shotgun formation with 2 TE, 2WR, and Portis or Sellars as the single back. Keep 1 TE (Yoder) and RB in for pass protection duties. And when going deep, waggle JC out once in a while!

Posted by: ga8085 | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I want Grimm as HC, I love Grimm, I am confident he would be a good HC. I don't think he is working for Snyder...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Ditto. Grimm for HC, maybe get Jacoby for OLine Coach away from liberty. If we could get the Eagles Defensive Coordinator Sean McDermott or another Johnson disciple I would take them as DC, but I would give Gray consideration.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Pabrian do you even know what a fair weather fan is? Anyone who has stuck with the Redskins this long is not a fair weather fan.

Of course everyone on here wants the players to succeed. But when they don't succeed you have to take a critical look at what is going wrong.

Being a fan doesn't mean you have surrender your opinion.

If you want to constantly buy into the idea that the team is only one step away from contending go right ahead.

Just because other people on here see much bigger problems that doesn't mean we root for the team to fail or like the team any less than you.


Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 13, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 13, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

pabrian2003,

Do you think people would be wasting their time blogging about the 'skins if they didn't really like or support the Washington Redskins to the fullest?

That's what I'll never get about the "real fan" bullsh**. Like someone would actually come on RI every motherf-ing day and post to no end about something that weren't really passionate about or had an interest in at the least.

And as far as supporting them, I think you're actually coddling them when you give your "analysis" -- like you're turning away, or really do see it but act like you don't when they continuously go out every Sunday and proceed to stink the joint up awful.

I don't have kids but if I did, when they brought D's and F's on their report card, I wouldn't only tell them to hang in there and convey my "true faith" in them, but I would also express my disappointment.

And anger if it was becoming a trend, you know, like the all out suckness to mediocrity every season from the Redskins.

Posted by: RedDMV | October 13, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

"The Jets don't have Peyton Manning...."

How was QB the issue for the Jets last night again?

The Jets are good, but they are a tad over hyped....but they are a playoff team.

Miami started slow last year too, they are a very quality team.

You tarted fans who can't appreciate good NFL teams b/c it somehow makes you less of "man-fan" of the Skins are silly and make me sad.

I am a skins fan first, but I also LOVE the NFL and watch every grubby second I can (an early F Time Warner Cable for not having NFL network yet and denying me late season games...)and when I see good games/teams i enjoy them and don't shrivel up when I acknowledge that other teams are good.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

When a team is failing as bad as we are, the staff has to throw out all the "we are getting better" crap and try to infuse another plan. Hurry up, Shotgun, whatever we are not doing, try it. They got 11 more games to get thru, its time to make some changes.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I want Grimm as HC, I love Grimm, I am confident he would be a good HC. I don't think he is working for Snyder...

Posted by: chrislarry | October 13, 2009 11:30 AM

I like Grimm as a potential HC as well. It'd be nice to get back to hardnosed redskin football. What I wouldn’t like is that he probably wouldn’t come in with the clout to get Snyder to back out of personnel decisions as well as replacing Cerrato. Also like Zorn to my knowledge he doesn’t have coordinating or play calling experience . I don’t see Snyder going that route twice in a row.

Posted by: skinswest | October 13, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Addressing some of the key topics on RI this morning:

-BMW's play on Sunday? He was pushing around a guy who was unemployed the previous week. He got beat a couple of times on the pass rush, probably more to do with communication with Heyer than actually being burned. How will he do on Sunday when he is moved back to right tackle? Not too well. The knock is the footwork which will be more of an issue out on the perimeter. He might get into some guys on running plays, which Washington should try to run a lot of, but I think he's going to have issues with pass rushes.

-Should Zorn stay or should Zorn go? Unless he pulls off some amazing victories in the next two games, Mr. Zorn is toast at the bye. I don't know what plan "B" is for the team, but I am pretty sure it doesn't include Zorn as the head coach.

-Mason vs. Portis? Give me Mason. Portis is a decent blocker and I wouldn't mind seeing him in the backfield with Mason at the same time as more of a nimble fullback, but Mason clearly has more burst at this point in their respective careers, so just give him the ball.

-Observation of the day. What is interesting is that no matter how poorly the team plays it doesn't seem to influence the front office to bring in a wave of players. I heard they gave recent workouts to a running back and some punters, but you would think with the poor play of the offensive line, there would be a revolving door spinning with offensive lineman coming in for try outs. I am convinced that there are still some offensive tackles out there on the market that are better than the offensive tackles currently on the roster. Why wouldn't the team at least start kicking the tires and shopping around? It's like they are content with an offensive line that lets defenders blow right by...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 13, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't think it needs blown up. We really just need a few more players and a scheme change to become competitive.

2010
Add
1. RT-must draft a road grader(John Jerry, Brian Bulaga, Trent Williams) second rounder
2. LT-must draft a pass protector(Russel Okung) first rounder
3. RB 4th rounder
4. SLB-so we can move Orakpo back to DE. FA
5. FS-so we can move LL back to SS FA

Hire a real play caller and call all intermediate to deep pass plays and pound tha ball. It will be a coryell system but don't tell Vinny. Draft 2 tackles and a RB. Aquire a true free safety and a true strong side linebacker in free agency.

2011
Draft a center, right guard, and middle linebacker.

2013 championship!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | October 13, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

It really hit me this week....that O line is REAL BAD...I mean 1 play I saw Mike Williams just pushed back and turned around. Campbell was sacked. They looked like amateurs out there. If they can't protect JC, then they need to run more slants, curls, and screens. You can forget about PA passes downfield to Moss.

Posted by: FedorEm | October 13, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I think you could get a later pick for about 2/3s of the players on this roster but if your only looking for top 3 rounds yes we don't have much.

We could maybe get a 2/3 pick for, LFB, he is old but still a top LB.

We could easily get a 1st for LaRon from some sucker.

We may get something for Rocky Mac. Maybe something for Campbell, but at best a 2nd. Could get something for Cooley, Moss, ect,

But I say, why not try and trade as many old vets we can for later picks, 5th and 6th round picks are great because Snyder stops caring and lets the "football" guys make their choices. Also we can sing for cheep, and its all low risk high reward moves. Especially with the possible cap impact of cutting a bunch of dead weight.

Posted by: alex35332 | October 13, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I wanted Zorn to work out. He has not made or insisted on making the hard personnel decisions.

It does not appear that he is a good Offensive Coordinator as well.

As bad as Zorn is, Vinny, so far is equally bad. But, a caveat to Vinny's ineptitude is, has he really been calling the shots, or is he just a puppet for Snyder?

Will Snyder replace Zorn now and defer on Vinny?

If he replaces Zorn from within and keeps Vinny and the Team turns around, he might be inclined to keep Vinny especially if he has been calling the shots himself. That would not be good.

Snyder, however would be prudent to recognize that when the Squire had the Team, he had a strong GM in the process in one Bobby Beathard.

A massive retooling of the Team is not the answer, but a massive retooling of the coaching and general management is.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 13, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

What the skins need to do is use the players they have and run an offence that fit the players. See masons one play where he has to block Peppers,that was funny,see Cooley try to block anyone,see Sellers blocking east and west,see Hayer block east and west on the 5 yrd line. Is Portis your best rb why is he on the field 50% of the time to save him from what he might get hurt? see Thomas,see Samuels,see everyone in the NFL. This isn't bad it just stupid if you need to get a pair of eyes to help mine work please leave me a text!!!

Posted by: daddebig | October 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Some of these bloggers should make the trip to Redskin part and be persistant and present your long lists of what you would do to Mr. Snyder. Maybe erect a billboard at the entrance. Good luck with that. Ravens and Caps combined 6 game losing streak. Just some thoughts.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"Cut:
W. Mont.
Batiste
BMW
Heyer
Smoot
Griffen
R. Thomas
Samuels
Portis
Betts
Daniels/Wynn (probably will retire anyway)
Rock
Collins
ARE
Carter"

Mostly, I agree. However...

ARE has played well in the slot.

Carter is getting sacks. Nothing wrong there.

Heyer is a solid back-up tackle. He's just a bad starting tackle.

If Samuels has anything left in the tank, you play him while getting your rookie draft pick ready to play. Maybe move him to right tackle.

The other lineman you mention, I don't have a problem with so longer as they're third-stringers, not second string. Rabach is ready to be a backup now, though, not a starter anymore.

Posted by: lordtwang | October 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

i disagree with the notion that those teams last night we're sooo much better than us.

It is easy to feel that way when you don't really care who wins, there is no emotional attachment.

The Dolphins won at home to go 2-3, we have a chance to win at home to go 3-3

Actually,the Dolphins showed proved that a team can turn it around amidst injuries.

I will continue to look at the full part of the cup not the empty part.

The Jets D was ranked one of the best and they got trampeled! The Carolina D was one of the worst and they stepped up, welcome to the NFL.

Talking about winless teams is a huge spin, The Panthers went 12-4(?) last year that are hardly an untalented team and are factually more of a disappointment then us, so far.

there is a term 'fair weather fan', don't be one.

support your team,the players,like you support the troops regardless of the politics

Posted by: pabrian2003 | October 13, 2009 11:18 AM |
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I concur!

Posted by: Masonman | October 13, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

What a pair of Muppets. Miami is 2-3 with losses against teams with a combined record of 10-3.

The Skins are 2-3 with losses against teams with a combined record of 7-7.

Doesn't sound much different I guess but if you exclude Indy's 5-0 record for Miami and the Gints 5-0 record for the Skins you get

Miami opponents record still = 5-3
Skins = 2-7

Ouch!! Seriously Pabrian, you're better than that.

Who cares if the Fins or the Jets are better than the Skins this year, that won't help either your team or mine unless we both make it to the Super Bowl.
And if it comes to that we can all celebrate because we've had a fantastic year!

I will say though that the game last night was played at a difference speed on both sides of the ball and I think the Skins might find that hard to adjust to - at least to begin with.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 13, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Ok, when Gibbs one retired and Petibon took over we started hot and then struggled the rest of the way (5-11 I believe) with the likes of Rich Gannon as QB. We never really recovered since then, a couple of playoff appearances here and there. That was bad, and this is torture, we are now being held hostage by Snyder.

Posted by: joeboggs | October 13, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The current betting line has the Redskins favored by 6.5 with some books going as high as 7 points. Seems like a great opportunity for the naysayers to make a lot of easy money. Come on, when was the last time that the Redskins beat another team by 7 points? Do any of you have the intestinal fortitude to take the Chiefs plus 6.5? Until then you're just a spectator.

Posted by: VegasJim | October 13, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

boycott the chiefs game - send a message to danny by not going

let mr. scientology know you're not going to put up with his mania

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 13, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

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