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Posted at 2:26 PM ET, 01/14/2011

Post Sports Live playoff previews

By Washington Post editors

Cindy Boren, Dan Steinberg and LaVar Arrington joined host Jonathan Forsythe on this week's show to discuss which playoff game they would watch this weekend if they could only watch one.

Beginning January 18, Post Sports Live will stream live on washingtonpost.com every Tuesday at noon and be archived at washingtonpost.com/postsportslive.


By Washington Post editors  | January 14, 2011; 2:26 PM ET
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Ridiculous. I'm watching has many as I can. Better question: If you had to miss one of these games which would it be?

Posted by: bangkokben | January 14, 2011 2:38 PM | Report abuse

OK Diez, your up...full report for PA since he ain't watching this.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this either.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 14, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

OK Diez, your up...full report for PA since he ain't watching this.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 2:39 PM

Wow yeah...this was an unexpected surprise...I'm definitely not watching this.

But I am very pleased that the blog is back to normal...no thanks to siris.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14347731/nfl-opinions-on-auburns-newton-all-over-the-place

If Cam Newton performs in pre-draft workouts, he won't even be available at #10 anyway. Still, I get the sinking feeling if the guy drops in the draft, the team that lands him will be pleased with what they get. The guy performed at the highest level in the biggest games all year long, despite a crushing amount of distractions. That's says a lot.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | January 14, 2011 2:54 PM | Report abuse

FOR REDSKINS: Be lucky to get a bucket of balls for him in a trade.

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

It's a deal! Maybe now we can trade those balls for that Hamm Sandvitch we've been targeting, cause Haynesworth's balls aren't good for anything but making sperm for impregnating 'dancers'.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Monday should be a No-Post day on Redskins Insider. It's the day that we honor Dr. Martin Luther King and the contribution he made to our nation's history at the price of his life.

The way to honor Dr. King is with a day of community service, giving to others. Posting on Redskins Insider does not honor his memory. Leave the blog alone Monday.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I watched , it wasn't that bad. I don't recomend that anyone else watch it though. Got the day off and I'm a little bored.

Posted by: wireman65 | January 14, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I actually watched this, for a change. Put The Cindy into it and the rules change.

So here's my feedback to the Post's video folks: If you're going put the crew in front of a CGI background, have some fun with it! Get creative!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Monday should be a No-Post day on Redskins Insider. It's the day that we honor Dr. Martin Luther King and the contribution he made to our nation's history at the price of his life.

The way to honor Dr. King is with a day of community service, giving to others. Posting on Redskins Insider does not honor his memory. Leave the blog alone Monday.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 2:58 PM

To the delight of RSH...and several others I'm sure...I won't be posting for the next three days...to honor Dr. King and his memory...I ain't doing no community service though...thats what sock puppets are for.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The way to honor Dr. King is with a day of community service, giving to others. Posting on Redskins Insider does not honor his memory. Leave the blog alone Monday.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The leader has spoken. Any violators will get 100 lashes.

Have a great weekend everybody.

Posted by: monk811 | January 14, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to not watch this video!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Monday should be a No-Post day on Redskins Insider. It's the day that we honor Dr. Martin Luther King and the contribution he made to our nation's history at the price of his life.

The way to honor Dr. King is with a day of community service, giving to others. Posting on Redskins Insider does not honor his memory. Leave the blog alone Monday.

Posted by: beep-beep

Really? I mean, the recent postings aren't that much to begin with ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

According to a sign hanging around here, the MLK holiday is "not a day off, but rather, a day on."

Personally, plan to spend my day on the ski slope.

Enjoy!

Posted by: Vic1 | January 14, 2011 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"Until we get a dominant NT, complimentary OLB, ball hawking FS, big bodied WR, good zone blocking G, and franchise QB, maybe then we'll go get a RB that will NOT start for us right now but just ride the pine until he's ready. Yeah, real smart."

It could literally take decades to obtain all these players, really. You think we should wait until we have all these in place before ever thinking about drafting a RB in the later rounds.
maybe you need to chill out on this one. Seems as plausbile that we draft a RB as any other positions. Im all about the best talent that's availble if its a RB money if its a WR also money or the many other position that are still undetermined, unless its a TE we good there.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm not watching this!.. uh.. I mean FIRST!

So let me get this straight - after all that: Freddy getting hit by a car, freaky ghetto stylee font title, workin' 30 keys for the man, getting burned by his partner & then setting up Reardon, walks away w/ only 50g's?! What a rip. And that closing title is ridic.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

It could literally take decades to obtain all these players, really. You think we should wait until we have all these in place before ever thinking about drafting a RB in the later rounds.
maybe you need to chill out on this one. Seems as plausbile that we draft a RB as any other positions. Im all about the best talent that's availble if its a RB money if its a WR also money or the many other position that are still undetermined, unless its a TE we good there.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 14, 2011 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I can see taking position into account in the first and second rounds because those guys are likely to be starters. I agree with you about the later rounds. You shouldn't be searching to fill roster holes in the late rounds. That's just not good planning. Later round picks have such a low chance of panning out anyway you may as well just take the BPA. Those are the rounds to build depth and take those high risk high reward players. I'd most certainly draft a RB in the 5th round. If Evan Royster fell that far I'd take him in a heart beat. I think he'd be a great 3rd down back here and would complement Torrain perfectly. When you start ruling out players based on position you end up reaching for players that are lesser prospects. That's just not good. Sometimes you just need to take what the draft gives you. Heck, if that prospect does pan out and there's an established starter there then you should be able to flip one of those players for picks.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I think Zack Galifinakis should release a CD of just his piano playing.

f'n hilarious.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on, why would anyone on a Redskins blog be interested in playoff games?

It's not like we're ever going to have the opportunity to see such a game here anytime soon -- as least so long as the current owner...

Post this one on the NFL blog if you must... but really, why talk of playoffs... and here here?

I mean, playoffs?

As in post-season play?

And championships and stuff?

Here?

On a Redskins blog?

Posted by: Vic1 | January 14, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So here's my feedback to the Post's video folks: If you're going put the crew in front of a CGI background, have some fun with it! Get creative!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2011 3:04 PM

I just don't get their "set" at all...did they happen across that table and chairs in the lunchroom? They look rediculous sitting at that little pub table. Just can't bring myself to watch it. Nope...can't do it.

Have a nice, long weekend peeps

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | January 14, 2011 3:58 PM

I’m gonna watch all of the games Vic. Couple of epic matchups and all of the games should be good. Heck, usually the wildcard games are blowouts, and all 4 games were pretty exciting IMO. Steelers Ravens is going to be a slobberknocker, and even if the Pats destroy the Jets, it’ll be good to see Rex Ryan go down. Disappointed that the Skins aren’t in it, but this is gonna be some good football.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | January 14, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I recommend THIS Background .

That'll work?

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Dik,

That background give a totally different spin on the word professional.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 14, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to not watch this video!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 14, 2011 3:10 PM

Who do you think you are? Alan4?

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

'Interceptions.' I didn't hear 'shut down receivers.' I didn't hear 'playing the nickel.' I didn't hear 'being a physical corner.' I didn't hear 'playing man a lot,' -- and here, I even played zone a lot. So you don't hear a lot of that. A lot of people focus on the negatives, and my thing here is to focus on the positives."--CARLOS ROGERS


Posted by: kerzon417 | January 13, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

kerz, are you BLEEPING kidding me....guy is DELUSIONAL....start catching the ball. PERIOD...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

You should yell "start covering the receivers" at Hall. Rogers isa better cover corner, a better force corner, and a better tackler than Hall

Posted by: TheCork | January 14, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Oops, I just noticed that "not" PAskinsfan ... you're no Alan4.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Personally, plan to spend my day on the ski slope.

Posted by: Vic1 | January 14, 2011 3:16 PM

Same with beep beep. He just doesn't want anyone posting when he can't be here.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on, why would anyone on a Redskins blog be interested in playoff games?

Posted by: Vic1 | January 14, 2011 3:58 PM

I know you were being sarcastic, but I fear that this is the last football we're going to have for a long, long time. This time next year, its going to be about college football only.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

the problem with that logic cork is that hall actually creates turnovers, and scores touchdowns.....sure he's a gambler,but more often than not, he's going to make a play,rogers hasn't improved his ability to catch the ball since he was drafted...part of being a cb is being able to intercept the ball....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"If you had to miss one of these games which would it be?"

Posted by: bangkokben | January 14, 2011 2:38 PM

Listed in descending order of "missability:"

1. Seahawks at Bears - Last week notwithstanding, the 'Hawks still suck. If it's snowy in Chicago, though, this one drops a notch or two on the "missability" scale. Bad weather games are always more fun to watch.

2. Jets at Patriots - The last game was a blowout, and watching the Jets' offense is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

3. Ravens at Steelers - The dislike for each other appears, with many of the players, to be genuine, and the games are always close and physical.

4. Packers at Falcons - Rodgers and the Packers offense, along with a big-play defense, against Matty Ice and the best team in the NFC should make for an interesting show.

Of course, its just as likely that the Seahawks-Bears game will be the best and the Packers-Falcons game the worst. It's that kind of unpredictability that makes these games so much fun.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 14, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

the problem with that logic cork is that hall actually creates turnovers, and scores touchdowns.....sure he's a gambler,but more often than not, he's going to make a play,rogers hasn't improved his ability to catch the ball since he was drafted...part of being a cb is being able to intercept the ball....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 14, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

BG,

The problem with your logic is assuming that Cork uses logic.

Posted by: p1funk | January 14, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Monday should be a No-Post day on Redskins Insider. It's the day that we honor Dr. Martin Luther King and the contribution he made to our nation's history at the price of his life.

The way to honor Dr. King is with a day of community service, giving to others. Posting on Redskins Insider does not honor his memory. Leave the blog alone Monday.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 2:58 PM

I rarely post as it is... but I won't be lurking the forum Monday.

Posted by: WishboneJr | January 14, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Same with beep beep. He just doesn't want anyone posting when he can't be here.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 4:38 PM

Well, I know we can count on you not to post on Monday. Since it's a federal holiday you won't be in the office to post on government time. Why post if you're not getting paid for it?

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

OK Diez, your up...full report for PA since he ain't watching this.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 14, 2011 2:39 PM

Wow yeah...this was an unexpected surprise...I'm definitely not watching this.

But I am very pleased that the blog is back to normal...no thanks to siris.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 14, 2011 2:50 PM

I can't say that I watched it but if I had to guess..

They broke down the 2011 QB class and who might be in play @ #10.

Gabbert- fat, inaccurate, and horrible production in a spread offense. He's Ryan Leaf without the college resume.

Newton- tremendous potential but coming from a one read spread he'll be ready to play about the same time that Auburn's BS National Championship is vacated. A smarter, slightly more accurate Vince Young.

Jake Locker- played on a terrible team at UW and didn't have a statistically good season. He has accuracy issues but is probably the front runner if we go QB. A right handed, less accurate Steve Young

Ryan Mallett- statue in the pocket that doesn't have athleticism or smarts that Shanahan will be looking for. He may challenge VY's record setting low wonderlic score. He might not even go in the 1st. He's like a big Ben without the athleticism, smarts, and every other intangible. He's literally as dumb as a Mallett.

And at the very end Cindy Boren snuck in a F Duke blast.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I think Zack Galifinakis should release a CD of just his piano playing.

f'n hilarious.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 14, 2011 3:50 PM


I know I'm supposed to find him funny, but....I just don't. I just find him to be annoying. Like some clingy, low self-esteem guy who, when he comes around, you just can't wait for him to leave.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, what if your employer has seen fit not to give you Monday off? What's the protocol there?

How about, say, we move the conversation over to the Bog or the Early Lead just for one day? You know what, that'd be kind of fun. And it would likely blow the minds of whatever b(l)og we picked.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hold up, what if your employer has seen fit not to give you Monday off? What's the protocol there?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2011 6:17 PM

I think how that works is since it's a day for volunteer work you're supposed to work as a volunteer. You work just as hard, but refuse to accept any pay.

Hope that works for you. I know that's not how Albert Haynesworth will be honoring MLK, but I'd like to think we're all bigger than him in at least one way.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 14, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

freak-

the one man wolfpack?
fat jesus?

He's pretty, pretty funny.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep, you bet it will work for me. I'll dedicate Monday to volunteer activities in the service of the Washington Post.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Also, I consider myself a fan of Zach Galifianakis, as I totally dig the particular kind of peculiar he brings to the table.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I think it's kinda funny that Wapo went with a virtual set and didn't even get one themed around sports and football. I hope they didn't spend more than $40.00 on that package.

It's hysterical when they cut to the wide shot and they are all huddled around this tiny table in this (supposedly) great big space. Looks like 4 monkeys trying to hump the same football.

Anyway...

Regarding QB, think about taking Colin Kaepernick in the second round. Oh, I know, people are projecting him in the 4th round - for now. He will climb the draft boards.

He'll take a year or two to develop, but I like him better in the second round than Newton in the first. I also think he will have a better career, but that also involves a lot of other variables. So who knows.

Posted by: edvar | January 14, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Monday Bog.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Monday Bog it is. Dan Steinberg will be so happy.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 14, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/14/the-patriots-built-a-favorite-out-of-leftovers/

The 2010 Patriots achieved the No. 1 seed with a group of underdogs at the skill positions. In a terrific article for the New York Times, Chase Stuart looks at the draft pedigree of the team’s skill position players.

He notes that Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski is the only player among New England’s top eight skill position guys taken in the top-60 picks of the draft. The top two running backs were both undrafted. For comparison, the Jets have five first round picks at the skill positions, including three top-five picks.

Stuart went back and did a comparison of the pedigree of skill position talent for all 44 Super Bowl champions. The resulting formula determined the 2003 and 2004 Patriots were the two least-acclaimed champions of all time at the skill positions.

If the 2010 Patriots win it all, they will have the “worst” draft pedigree of any champion by far. This pedigree — and New England’s inexperienced young defense — is one reason why Patriots fans have to feel uncomfortable with the role of heavy favorite again.

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Even after the Patriots GM leaves for Kansas City 2 years ago, their team can still pick talent. Why does every draft pick rounds 1-7 contribute for the Patriots while we consider ourselves lucky if we can get a 2nd round draft pick to contribute. ugh

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 14, 2011 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Dan will. And he probably deserves it as much as anyone at the Post.

I remember some comment up here he once made about how he could get more blog action.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 14, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Even after the Patriots GM leaves for Kansas City 2 years ago, their team can still pick talent.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 14, 2011 7:28 PM |

Dude - how about the Bill Belichick coaching tree?

1. Eric Mangenius - laid an egg in NYC and then laid an egg in Cleve.

2. Romeo Chromeo - laid an egg in Cleve before the Mangenius dude got there.

3. Charlie Whyshesofat - laid an egg under the Golden Dome.

4. Josh McDick - laid a whole basket-full of eggs in Den.

More eggs than Old McDonald's farm!

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou

Dude - if the thunder don't get you then mebbe a lightning bolt will find its way up your ass crack.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Im in on the Bog Monday. We oughtta make it a regular thing...Bog Mondays.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

we consider ourselves lucky if we can get a 2nd round draft pick to contribute. ugh

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 14, 2011 7:28 PM

I figure that was Vinny's WR strategy on the 2nd round pass catchers. Pick three and one will hit. Davis is roster material. Kelly remains a question mark. Devin Thomas (the first one picked) ... well, never mind. Screw Belichek.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Bog on Monday it is.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

how about the Bill Belichick coaching tree?

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 8:24 PM

Jim Schwartz is doing OK. In the college ranks, Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz, and Al Groh did OK. He's spun off a couple few GMs too ... Pioli, Ozzie Newsom, Dimitroff.

Just because Belichik is a d!ck doesn't mean he's bred failure. McDaniels and Mangini both will be coordinators again soon. Crennel is still working in KC.

The guy has figured out how to build team over player.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Bog it is...

I was just there stretching my legs and there is way too much leg room. It's the comments that run the blogs, maybe we're on to something here and have found a way to flex a little bit of our blogging muscles.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 8:28 PM |

Wally Football apparently thinks lightning will strike again for the Skins (mebbe even bypassing ITTDGY's ass crack!) with a WR in the 2nd round. He has them picking not just any old WR but a Terp WR right after the Cows pick a Terp S, Kenny Tate. Go Terps!

(Note to self - have to find out why the Cows go ahead of the Skins in round 2 after being ahead of them in round 1. They both had the same record but the Cows apparently had a softer sched which gave them priority in round 1 but the pick order should rotate in subsequent rounds. Mebbe Wally missed the memo on that.)

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Jim Schwartz is doing OK. In the college ranks, Nick Saban, Kirk Ferentz, and Al Groh did OK. He's spun off a couple few GMs too ... Pioli, Ozzie Newsom, Dimitroff.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 8:42 PM |

First off most of those duds you list were from Belichick's Cleve days when he was ultimately fired because he was still feeling his way around. But more to the point:

1. Schwartz - he wasn't a coach with B in Cleve. He was some kind of flunkie.

2. Saban - I should update my egg-laying list with him because the dude did lay a big one in Miami.

3. Captain Kirk - no experience as a NFL HC.

4. Al Grown - the dude belongs to the Bill Parcells tree.

5. Wizard of Oz - the dude was fixture in Cleve long before B got there. You could argue that B learned from him.

6. Pioli - One winning season in KC when the West was not the best.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, deez, was just over there myself. Looks like Dan started chumming the waters early today with a little JC jibba jabba. But nary a Stompy post to be found. So it has that going for it. Which is nice.

This could be a cool experiment. I wouldn't mind it if Dan took over this here blog at all.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This could be a cool experiment. I wouldn't mind it if Dan took over this here blog at all.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 9:13 PM |

With WaPo losing $$$ out the WazzPoo you'd think they would just roll RI and the Bog into one. They kind of cover the same ground don't they? I haven't really spent much time checking the Bog out.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins Signed Defensive Lineman Jeff Stehle To A Futures/Reserve Contract.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

With WaPo losing $$$ out the WazzPoo you'd think they would just roll RI and the Bog into one. They kind of cover the same ground don't they? I haven't really spent much time checking the Bog out.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes they overlap, but not often. Dan covers all of the other DC area sports as well, but not from a serious beat perspective. He's also what they call a "blogger" and interacts with peeps from the comment section from time to time. Wouldn't that be nice on a "blog".

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't that be nice on a "blog".

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 9:26 PM |

It would. I wasn't around in RI's youth but I noticed from comments that Jason La would do this early on - he would join in the discussion and offer his own viewpoint, elaborating on what he posted at the beginning of the thread.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Scamp, did I see you post a question for the RI wiki in the last week or two? You mind posting a link?

After guessing stompy's weight in the offseason, I'm feeling lucky.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I just can't see how you ol' hamsters can default to Bog over Cindy. I guess I never will belong.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 14, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

He's also what they call a "blogger" ...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 9:26 PM

... or a "bogger".

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

So to the bog on Monday it is. Where Zach Galifianakis still will not be funny.

;-)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 14, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, its not defaulting as much as not remembering the name of Cindy's new joint.

This Jeff Stehle guy ... 6'6" 315 lbs. DT from Wisconsin graduated last year. From Denver's practice squad this year. Can't tell whether they seem him at NT or DE.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return to Skins next season

After a wild ride on the Double Talk Express during the season with MS's comments about AH and DM you'd think someone in the Skins PR dept would have sent a memo to both MS and BA suggesting that they sober up and give everyone a break.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Sween, according to Wiki-something or other it is called the Early Leak.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 14, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Now that I think about it, not remembering is the same as defaulting. Don't worry SMACK, Cindy will get the gang for St. Patrick's Day.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

So how does one find Cindy's new digs? Anybody know?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should start one for guesses on what type of picks we will get for Hayney and McScabb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse

This Jeff Stehle guy ... 6'6" 315 lbs. DT from Wisconsin graduated last year. From Denver's practice squad this year. Can't tell whether they seem him at NT or DE.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:50 PM |

He's played DE previously.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

This Jeff Stehle guy ... 6'6" 315 lbs. DT from Wisconsin graduated last year. From Denver's practice squad this year. Can't tell whether they seem him at NT or DE.

Posted by: dcsween | January 14, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

sween, I think he projects more as DE. I think he was only 291# at beginning of year. He's only 23.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 14, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 14, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

S1 is right. Cindy and the Early Lead needs us more than the bog. Decent content but ZERO comments.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 10:26 PM | Report abuse

S1 is right. Cindy and the Early Lead needs us more than the bog. Decent content but ZERO comments.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 10:26 PM |

Here's a novel idea...hear me out. In protest to the last 2 awful "bloggers" we've had running this pathetic show we should move over to Cindy's blog (she was always good stuff) and for every post she puts up an RI blogger should dig up a piece of Redskins news, post it at the top of the thread, and that is what we'll start the comments section with.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I like it scamp, but you don't need to go to Cindy's blog for protest or charity. Go because it's better. She's hilarious, she participates, and you'll still get the big Skins stories.

Sounds like a good place to while away the offseason.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 14, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I like it scamp, but you don't need to go to Cindy's blog for protest or charity. Go because it's better. She's hilarious, she participates, and you'll still get the big Skins stories.

Sounds like a good place to while away the offseason.


Posted by: SMACK1 | January 14, 2011 10:40 PM |

Cindy's work has always been high quality. this place took a nose dive when she left. Well, and when I showed up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Nick Mangold the Jet's C in response to Wes Welker's foot references..

Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should start one for guesses on what type of picks we will get for Hayney and McScabb.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 10:00 PM |

Mebbe a box of Jim Dunlop Tortex "shark's fin" picks if we're lucky.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

... this place took a nose dive when she left. Well, and when I showed up.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 10:44 PM |

Dude - you brought balance and a unique perspective to the blog when you showed up.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Nick Mangold the Jet's C in response to Wes Welker's foot references..

Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate
Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious.

(thanks, scamp)

Cindy…Steinberg…Finkle…Einhorn…whichever, or both. I guess Cindy would get the nod in a vote, but I like them both. Scamp, got a good chuckle out of your idea…mostly because it sounds like what happens up here when Reid and co rattle off a few threads in a row. I like it.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 14, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Nick Mangold the Jet's C in response to Wes Welker's foot references...

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 10:50 PM |

Them Jet skis are going to need a box car of pepto for all that crow they're going to have to scarf if they lose ...

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Kylee Orton was on his way to having a career year when was benched. Considering he was having a much better YR than the ex Eagle...I don't recall the national uproar when he was benched with 3 games left to play. Now there seems to be a trade market for Orton and not so much for McNabb.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Dude - you brought balance and a unique perspective to the blog when you showed up.


Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 10:58 PM |

Thanks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Kylee Orton was on his way to having a career year when was benched. Considering he was having a much better YR than the ex Eagle...I don't recall the national uproar when he was benched with 3 games left to play. Now there seems to be a trade market for Orton and not so much for McNabb.


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 11:20 PM |

Can't go wrong with a Purdue QB.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 14, 2011 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Kylee Orton was on his way to having a career year when was benched. Considering he was having a much better YR than the ex Eagle...I don't recall the national uproar when he was benched with 3 games left to play.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 11:20 PM |

He did not deserve to be benched but you also have to factor in who took his place as well. I read somewhere that Tebow's jersey sales are #1.

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2010&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=NFL&team_id=was&pos=QB&conference=any&show=all

This shows the career stats for every QB ever drafted by the Skins. It's not pretty..

In '60 and '61 we went back to back YRs with drafting QBs in the 1st RD. #2 overall in '60 and #4 overall in '61. I'm sure beep-beep was pissed.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 14, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Nick Mangold the Jet's C in response to Wes Welker's foot references..

Wes Welker is a great player. He's really taken advantage of watching film. If we don't keep a Spy on him, he could really open the Gate

Posted by: Diesel44

Welker wins that battle, easily.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 14, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/draft-finder.cgi?request=1&year_min=1936&year_max=2010&type=&round_min=1&round_max=30&slot_min=1&slot_max=500&league_id=NFL&team_id=was&pos=QB&conference=any&show=all

This shows the career stats for every QB ever drafted by the Skins. It's not pretty..

In '60 and '61 we went back to back YRs with drafting QBs in the 1st RD. #2 overall in '60 and #4 overall in '61. I'm sure beep-beep was pissed.

Posted by: Diesel44

WOW!!! that is pretty ugly. Didn't know they drafted Sammy Baugh -- best pick in Skins history. At least the #2 overall that was Norm Snead turned into a guy worthy of a #2 overall, Sonny Jurgensen.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2011 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Oh fudge.....

I just pooped my pants.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 15, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I was so happy to see the New and Improved Poopy, I ALSO shat myself!

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 5:53 AM | Report abuse

It's warm and stinky, but I'm gonna just go ahead and sit here in it.

Smiling.

Is that the REAL Doo Doo Brown?

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 5:55 AM | Report abuse

from tmz.com

Redskins' Haynesworth -- Stripper's Lawsuit Dismissed

Albert Haynesworth will not have to shell out $10 million to the stripper who claimed he "abandoned" her when she got pregnant.


JudgeMoe Brown: Well done young man.

Ain'tcha glad you don't have to pay out $10 million dollars to a stripper?

Albert Haynesworth: I sure am.

That's a lot of 1 dollar bills to be handing out.

And I tire easily.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 7:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm with the Cindy Monday too. Someone tell Nate.

As we've said to so many guys from that first round of post-training camp cuts that get to the to 75 man roster, "Steinbog, we hardly knew ye!"

I'm changing on my over/under predictions on Packers/Falcons and thinking under. Did not realize how few points were scored last time and that was in Atlanta (which the Falcons supposedly own).

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm with the Cindy Monday too. Someone tell Nate.

Sign me up.

Somebody get the word word: we honor Cindy Boren and Dr. King on Monday.

He had a dream

And we'll be her nightmare.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 7:54 AM | Report abuse

You want to talk about a draft check out the 1981 draft.


1. Mark May, T, Pittsburgh
3. Russ Grimm, G, Pittsburgh
4. Tom Flick, QB, Washington
5. Dexter Manley, DE, Oklahoma State
5. Gary Sayre, G, Cameron
6. Larry Kubin, LB, Penn State
8. Charlie Brown, WR, South Carolina State
9. Darryl Grant, G, Rice
10. Phil Kessel, QB, Northern Michigan
10. Allan Kennedy, T, Washington State
11. Jerry Hill, WR, Northern Alabama
12. Clint Didier, TE, Portland State

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Just finished watching fridays PTI, does anybody else find wilbon to be nothing more than biased, name dropping dueche or is it just me

Posted by: hcicron | January 15, 2011 8:37 AM | Report abuse

They also signed Joe Jacoby as a Undrafted rookie that year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

We could sure use that GM again...

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

They also signed Joe Jacoby as a Undrafted rookie that year.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 8:39 AM | Report abuse

He's my old football coach...

Posted by: WishboneJr | January 15, 2011 9:45 AM | Report abuse

You want to talk about a draft check out the 1981 draft.


1. Mark May, T, Pittsburgh
3. Russ Grimm, G, Pittsburgh
4. Tom Flick, QB, Washington
5. Dexter Manley, DE, Oklahoma State
5. Gary Sayre, G, Cameron
6. Larry Kubin, LB, Penn State
8. Charlie Brown, WR, South Carolina State
9. Darryl Grant, G, Rice
10. Phil Kessel, QB, Northern Michigan
10. Allan Kennedy, T, Washington State
11. Jerry Hill, WR, Northern Alabama
12. Clint Didier, TE, Portland State

+ Joe Jacoby as a UFA

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 8:32 AM

Flounder, this still remains the best argument ever for why coaches should coach and GM's should build teams. This is the draft where Caserly gave Gibbs 1.0 many of the tools to start that force of destruction that rolled through multiple Superbowls. Much of that era's identity is wrapped up in this one draft - especially on both sides of the lines.

Gibbs 2.0 never managed player acquisition decisions this well. Instead of building through the draft, they chose to trade away draft picks and target established veterans that in too many cases did not pan out.

Targeting veterans requires little guess work in that they have years of tape at the NFL level that can be evaluated. (yet, for some reason, we still struggle with this...) Recognizing potential at the college level and having an keen eye for young talent is a much harder skill to develop, and the reason why a good GM is so crucial.

Finding a guy with that eye for talent and a clear vision and plan for what kind of team needs to be built to win championships is pure gold. Does he walk the halls of Redskins Park today? I for one am not convinced yet, but I remain hopeful.

But we've all covered this before...

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse


Targeting veterans requires little guess work in that they have years of tape at the NFL level that can be evaluated. (yet, for some reason, we still struggle with this...)

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 9:54 AM |
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edvar, I'd call it signing the sexy, make the big splash FA. never mind the age or cost. gotta sell those jerseys ya know. just ask all the peeps that bought #5 mcnabb jerseys

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

We could sure use that GM again...

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 9:16 AM | Report abuse

kerz, BB is probably out in CA surfing. Might be available!

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

edvar,

I hate to break it to you but Bobby Beathard was the GM of the Skins in 1981, he also hired Joe Gibbs and saved his job 5 games into his first season when JKC was about to fire him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

edvar, I'd call it signing the sexy, make the big splash FA. never mind the age or cost. gotta sell those jerseys ya know. just ask all the peeps that bought #5 mcnabb jerseys

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 10:21 AM

Can't argue. I'm just hoping there's more to it than that. Hoping being the key word there...

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

edvar, I'd call it signing the sexy, make the big splash FA. never mind the age or cost. gotta sell those jerseys ya know. just ask all the peeps that bought #5 mcnabb jerseys


Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 10:21 AM |

Hessone,

Maybe you should do a little research before you post if you did you would know that all NFL merchandise sales are shared equally amongst the teams. So Snyder makes just as much money from a McNabb jersey when he was in Philly as he does now that he plays for the Skins.

But your continued hate is admirable.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Flounder, this still remains the best argument ever for why coaches should coach and GM's should build teams. This is the draft where Caserly gave Gibbs 1.0 many of the tools to start that force of destruction that rolled through multiple Superbowls. Much of that era's identity is wrapped up in this one draft - especially on both sides of the lines.

Gibbs 2.0 never managed player acquisition decisions this well. Instead of building through the draft, they chose to trade away draft picks and target established veterans that in too many cases did not pan out.

Targeting veterans requires little guess work in that they have years of tape at the NFL level that can be evaluated. (yet, for some reason, we still struggle with this...) Recognizing potential at the college level and having an keen eye for young talent is a much harder skill to develop, and the reason why a good GM is so crucial.

Finding a guy with that eye for talent and a clear vision and plan for what kind of team needs to be built to win championships is pure gold. Does he walk the halls of Redskins Park today? I for one am not convinced yet, but I remain hopeful.

But we've all covered this before...

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 9:54 AM
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Not Casserly - that was Bobby Beathard. As for most of Gibbs free agents and trades not panning out, I think that's incorrect as well. We saw the high profile flops and through that we summarize that the whole free agent and trade thing was a flop. Remember that Gibbs brought London Fletcher, Mike Sellers, Casey Rabach (okay, maybe a reach here), Philip Daniels and a few others I cannot think of off the top of my head. I believe the real problem with Gibbs approach was going after glamour players instead of brown baggers. I am sure there was a certain amount of pressure from the Dan to do this, as those high profile players help sell jerseys.

A thing to remember: throughout Gibbs' first tenure, Beathard made the personnel decisions. Beathard's greatest skill was in finding those brown baggers who loved the game. Gibbs was good at developing players and the two working together had a really good thing going. Letting Gibbs make the personnel decisions was a mistake. It was never his strong suit and it is nice to believe that St. Joe was good in all aspects of the game, but unfortunately, personnel evaluations was not one of them. Still, his skill as a developer of talent was evident in what he was able to accomplish with the scraps of a team he had to put together.

I agree that a strong talent evaluator is worth his weight in gold. I hope this is incorrect, but the things I have heard suggest Shanahan wouldn't listen to the guy anyway. Mike, as I understand it, runs the draft just like he coaches his team: it's my way or the highway. The one factor that none of us know about is the Kyle factor. Where he might not listen to others, he might listen to Kyle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Edvar, as Flounder said, it was Bobby Beathard not Casserly.

Posted by: Rusty6392 | January 15, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

edvar

Targeting veterans requires little guess work in that they have years of tape at the NFL level that can be evaluated.

We are bad at selecting veterans, it's just the NFL has changed to where youth and speed are more important than wiles and experience.

(At some point in the next two weeks, many bloggas will be shocked to find out that the Pats to find out that the Pats are marching to the Super Bowl with a rookie-laden defense.)

(Then, they will notice that not one team left in the playoff tournament features some wiley old veteran Over The Hill Gang roster.)

Teams today save draft picks, search for unpolished gems, groom offensive and defensive linemen, and play deep into the their rosters.

Most teams today build a solid base of young players, then selectively add veterans.

We're adding veterans without the youthful base.

The league isn't in 1981 mode any longer.

And neither should our thinking be.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse

But your continued hate is admirable.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 10:36 AM |
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so, if you don't sell any jerseys, you get an equal share of the leagues total sell of jerseys, and that I understand.

I have my own business, and if I used your logic, I'd have less revenue because I'll already receive less money for nothing.

but your continued nit-picking is admirable.

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

edvar,

I hate to break it to you but Bobby Beathard was the GM of the Skins in 1981, he also hired Joe Gibbs and saved his job 5 games into his first season when JKC was about to fire him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 10:32 AM

Yup. Brain fart. Sorry.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 15, 2011 10:38 AM

I agree that we had some good FA signings as well, but my point was about trading draft picks for vets as opposed to using them to build the core team - not signing FA's. I wasn't clear about that in my other post.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Teams today save draft picks, search for unpolished gems, groom offensive and defensive linemen, and play deep into the their rosters.

Most teams today build a solid base of young players, then selectively add veterans.

We're adding veterans without the youthful base.

The league isn't in 1981 mode any longer.

And neither should our thinking be.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 10:42 AM

We have a long way to go, it seems. Having Cooke, Capers, Riley and Austin pan out would help immensely, or even if we can get 1 solid O lineman and a good WR out of it...

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Teams today save draft picks, search for unpolished gems, groom offensive and defensive linemen, and play deep into the their rosters.

Most teams today build a solid base of young players, then selectively add veterans.

We're adding veterans without the youthful base.

The league isn't in 1981 mode any longer.

And neither should our thinking be.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 10:42 AM | Report abuse
You're right, Moe. But I just checked our roster. Out of 75, we have 46 who will be 28 or younger when the season starts. And we signed a 23 yr old DE yesterday. So that's 47 ou of 76. I think we are moving in that direction.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse


You're right, Moe. But I just checked our roster. Out of 75, we have 46 who will be 28 or younger when the season starts. And we signed a 23 yr old DE yesterday. So that's 47 ou of 76. I think we are moving in that direction.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 11:58 AM |
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agree, a step in the right direction fredie

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Here is a partial list of players who will be 28 or less at beginning of next season.
Offense:
OL TW, KLich, WMont, Heyer, Capers, Cook
WR AA, TA, BB
TE FD, Paulsen,
RB’s RT, KWill, ABrown, Jdavis
FB DYoung
QB …..

Defense:
DL Carriker, Golston, Jarmon,
LB Orak, Lo, Blades, Riley, RHenson, RJackson,
CB DHall, Barnes, Westbrook
S LL, KMoore, CHorton,

Teams:
PK Gano
Punter ….
Snapper Sundberg
Returner BB
We are getting younger, and I think MS and BA will continue to make us younger and faster.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Playoff picks-

Ravens
Packers
Seahawks
Pats

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Dies, no way Seattle wins in Chi town. Maybe if they were playing at home. I go-

Ravens
Packers
Bears
Pats

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Packers
Pats

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Packers win SB!

Chisel that in stone!

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Playoff picks-

Ravens
Packers
Seahawks
Pats

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 12:26 PM |
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Steelers
Packers
Bears
Pats

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse


Packers win SB!

Chisel that in stone!

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 12:29 PM |
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how about this nugget,

if the seahawks win, that means a team with a losing record will host the nfc championship game.

can't get my arms around that one

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

how about this nugget..

The Seahawks have to win the SB to finish the seasonn with a winning record.

Kerz- Seattle has already beaten the Bears this season at Soldier field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

if the seahawks win, that means a team with a losing record will host the nfc championship game.

can't get my arms around that one

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 12:34 PM


Fear not.

Seahawks have no chance.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Fear not.

Seahawks have no chance.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 12:47 PM

just like they had no chance to beat the defending SB champs?

They beat the Bears today and lose next week to the Pack.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Fear not.

Seahawks have no chance.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 12:47 PM

just like they had no chance to beat the defending SB champs?

They beat the Bears today and lose next week to the Pack.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 12:52 PM

Seahawks on the road?

No chance.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Call me Homey. I'm taking all the home teams this week.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

We have a long way to go, it seems


Yes and no.

Consider the following: most folks agree that the redskin offensive needs help.

But:

Williams--rookie

Litchensteiger--1st time starter

Rabach--vet 8 years

Montgomery--1st time starter

Brown--5 year vet

The o-line needs help, but 3 out of the five starters are essentially roookies.

So does the line need help or experience?

And patience?

3 out of 5 guys were 1st time starters who ended the season starting against solid d-lines in Dallas, Minn., and New York.

And in those games, we had 300 yards passing w/ touchdowns and 100 yard rushing.

But, again, folks say our line is bad.

(Perhaps improved quarterback/defense play in the future equals wins.)

I don't think the line is bad, I think it's a work in progress where 3 young'ns (Williams, Litchensteiger, Montgomery) should improve with offseason work and film study.

The line needs a new center and answer at right tackle.

Depth at the guard spot would be nice, too.

The redskin line is headed in the right direction and needs more game experience.

And fanbase patience.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I am wrong Diesel, didn't the Pats beat the Giants in Giant Stadium in the 2007 reg season only to lose to the ginas at home?

Plus Lance Briggs is playing this game.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks on the road?

No chance.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 12:54 PM

I'll say it again.

They've already won this season at Soldier field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant only to lose to the ginas in the SB.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

The East West Shrine game practices start Monday. Here are few players that would be of note that I will follow. Complete player list here http://www.shrinegame.com/en/Teams/Watchlist.aspx.

East

1. Pat Devlin - QB. Solid qb prospect with questions about arm strength. How will he compete against top compettiion?

2. Marvin Austin - DT. Will he be in shape after not playing this year? How much desire will he have for the game?

3. Bruce Miller - OLB. Can he convert to OLB in the 3-4? Can he pass rush against top competition?

Zach Hurd - OG. Can his pass pro be coached up? Solid run blocker.

West

Dontay Moch - OLB. Solid pass rush skills. Can he drop in coverage? How will he hold up in the run game

Michael Mohamed - ILB. My sleeper player. Solid performer, but can he make the impact play after being coached up.

De'rel Scott - RB. Late round draft possibilities.

Ian Williams - NT. Mid round player. How effective will he be with adding weight?


Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Kerz- True but if I don't have a dog in the fight (F Vick) I always pull for the underdog.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

The line needs a new center and answer at right tackle.

Depth at the guard spot would be nice, too.

The redskin line is headed in the right direction and needs more game experience.

And fanbase patience.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 1:17 PM | Report abuse

cosign, moe

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks on the road?

No chance.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 12:54 PM

I'll say it again.

They've already won this season at Soldier field.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Dies, I got to agree with edvar. On the road, in the cold. DaBears rested and healthy, used to the winds at Soldier Field. Too much to overcome.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

if the seahawks win, that means a team with a losing record will host the nfc championship game.

can't get my arms around that one

Posted by: hessone

If that happens it would be the greatest evidence ever of the need for contraction. How watered down and mediocre a league is it when you can possibly go to a SB with a crappy team and a losing record?

Of course, with the greedy owners trying to force an 18 game season on everyone you'd probably have a better chance of getting iced tea in Hades than ever seeing contraction.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 15, 2011 1:59 PM | Report abuse

if the seahawks win, that means a team with a losing record will host the nfc championship game.

can't get my arms around that one

Posted by: hessone

If the Seahawks win they won't have a losing record.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2011 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Well Boys and Girls-

That's why they play the game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse


if the seahawks win, that means a team with a losing record will host the nfc championship game.

can't get my arms around that one

Posted by: hessone

If the Seahawks win they won't have a losing record.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2011 2:05 PM |
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I also forgot to mention that the packers have to loss, my bad

I get your point scamp, but I'm going by regular season. heck, they're undefeated in the playoffs

Posted by: hessone | January 15, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Call me Homey. I'm taking all the home teams this week.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 1:00 PM

OK, Homey, give me the spreads and I got all the visitors.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

And The Ass Saw The Angel...

Yeah, if you wanted to roll like John Lennon, being all controversial and sh*t, and roll without person-al protection, yeah, you might get shot..Common sense is the bitter part of valor..

I'm rollin' with Tupac, Terrell Sugz and tha Thugz...

GothCreep Song Of Thuh Day-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPrTUC7BDn4

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Well Boys and Girls-

That's why they play the game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 2:07 PM |

Exactly what I was gonna say.

Enjoy the game.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The line needs a ... answer at right tackle.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 1:17 PM

Agree to disagree. Mr. Brown has come to town. He's healthy now so keep him around.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Have a good one guys. Headin to the beach...it's 80 degrees here today.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 15, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Well Boys and Girls-

That's why they play the game.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 2:07 PM

I see why they play the game, but why do they do power rankings?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Call me Homey. I'm taking all the home teams this week.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 1:00 PM

Call me Visitorey ... but w/Seattle, I'd still like the buffet.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I see why they play the game, but why do they do power rankings?

Posted by: dcsween

An evil scheme by the Agents Of "Reason" to use E=MC squared to keep you down..(see Giants win over Patriots in thee Super Bowl)..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Donovan McNabb | Redskins | Interested: 49ers?, Seahawks?, Vikings?, Cardinals?

While the below information is a couple days old, today Adam Schefter informed us that one option for Donovan McNabb would be Miami. That is, if Brad Childress ends up with the 'Fins as offensive coordinator, he may have interest in bringing McNabb down to Florida, as the two could re-connect. McNabb has been under the direction of Childress before, in Philadelphia. Recall that last year, with Brett Favre's status up in the air, McNabb was rumored to be a target of the Vikings, then under Childress.

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In the opinion of many insiders and outsiders, the relationship between Washington Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb and the Shanahans (head coach Mike and offensive coordinator Kyle) has deteriorated to the point that it doesn't appear likely he'll stay for 2011.

McNabb's agent, Fletcher Smith, has been a central figure in this situation, too. He went on record blasting the Shanahans, noting that it would be difficult for his client to remain a part of the team.

Jason Reid of the Washington Post has reported that Smith and the elder Shanahan are attempting to meet soon to resolve the situation. One possible outcome, Reid's view, is for the team to allow Smith the power to seek out trades, a plan that worked to solve the Jason Campbell problem. It's thought that McNabb may have to renegotiate his contract in order to complete a trade.

As far as teams that could be possibly interested in McNabb -- either in trade or waiting until the Redskins release him -- the Minnesota Vikings, San Francisco 49ers, Seattle Seahawks and Arizona Cardinals have been speculated as possibilities, with varying degrees of logic for each. Local reporters have continued to play down the Cardinals possibility, but until the team brings in another option, there's a chance (as slight as it may be).

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully after the Ravens lose all those dundalk hillbillies wall crawl back to their poopshacks.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 15, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou

Dude - if the thunder don't get you then mebbe a lightning bolt will find its way up your ...

Posted by: EncinoMan | January 14, 2011 8:28 PM
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Just thought I'd point out that "ifthethunderdontgetyou" is some idiot's copy of my ID.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 15, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

per Kiem from a couple days ago

"The Redskins can re-sign their own players, cut players or sign other players released by other teams until March 4. At that point, if there's no collective bargaining agreement, then there would be a lockout and no personnel moves could be made. But when free agency does begin, there could be as many as 400 players available, and Allen pointed to the Redskins' aggressive past as a prelude to what might happen this offseason"

??? Because what has happened in the past has worked so well... ???

Is it impossible to learn from YEARS of previous mistakes??

Ugh.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI

I think there is a good possibility that some or all of those teams will show an interest in DM. The key is him being willing to re-negotiate. I can't imagine any of them will want to pony up $15M. That would be $1M per INT, based on last season's production.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 15, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, the Skins are going to have to be aggressive in FA because of the many needs we have. My hope is that the contracts will be reasonable and that they target younger hungrier players that do not have the "Pro Bowl" resume.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

twisi, et al.

Why is it that when we discuss teams that might see some value in Donovan McNabb, why is it that we never discuss the redskins?

'Tard Question of the Day:

Having seen Rex Grossman's end of the year, 3-game performance, would you prefer

a. reconcliations (and a new deal) with McNabb

b. Giving Rex the starting job

c. Bringing in a rookie

d. Bringing in an Alex Smith, Kyle Orton, etc. type

e. making a run a Peyton Manning on the eve of FA

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Mad,

I'm going with d. Another offseason with the playbook will not turn McNabb into a good progression/read type qb. He just isn't what Shanny Jr. wants. Been there, done that.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 15, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Call me Homey. I'm taking all the home teams this week.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 15, 2011 1:00 PM |

Dude - I won't call you Homey cause you're not my, but I will call you Horney. Will that make you happy?

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 15, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

e. making a run a Peyton Manning on the eve of FA

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 3:10 PM |

That's ridiculous. You think McN had issues with lil Shanny? It would be like Beirut with P vs lil Shanny. You'd have a better chance making a run at a nun.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 15, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Moe, IMO it's a combination of b, c and d. DM5 is done here, so I think they bring in a vet qb (d), draft a rookie (c) and give the start to grossman unless the vet FA or Beck wins the job in training camp.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 15, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

f. See if teh Raiders will give us Campbell back for a 5th round pick. Cry about the picks shanny gave away while outbidding himself for McNabb. Hope Danny Snyder decides to become a Buddhist monk and donates the team to charity.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | January 15, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

??? Because what has happened in the past has worked so well... ???

Is it impossible to learn from YEARS of previous mistakes??

Ugh.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2011 3:00 PM |

Lets never use FA's again because the last group sucked at it.

This group will sign young FA's to contracts that make them earn there money.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

FYI - I wanted to give the finger to this cold snap we're having (high of 24 deg yesterday) so I put a dick load of logs in the fireplace, made a pitcher of ice-cold lemonade, got out the old lawnchair and put it next to the fireplace, stripped down to my skivvies and put on my shades, leaned back onto the lawn chair and it collapsed flatter than a pancake w/o baking soda.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 15, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

But when free agency does begin, there could be as many as 400 players available, and Allen pointed to the Redskins' aggressive past as a prelude to what might happen this offseason"

??? Because what has happened in the past has worked so well... ???

Is it impossible to learn from YEARS of previous mistakes??

Ugh.


Posted by: zcezcest1 |

Naw,because new "geniuses" are running the dump now. Just like they could adjust McNabb's footwork, or make Cinderellas out of last year's pumpkins like Hicks Kemoeatu, Buchanon et al, they just KNOW they won't make the same mistakes as the previous "Geniuses" who did the same thing..

They're probably right;. They'll make a whole new series of mistakes.

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Scary visual I didn't need!

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 15, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

FYI - I wanted to give the finger to this cold snap we're having (high of 24 deg yesterday) so I put a dick load of logs in the fireplace, made a pitcher of ice-cold lemonade, got out the old lawnchair and put it next to the fireplace, stripped down to my skivvies and put on my shades, leaned back onto the lawn chair and it collapsed flatter than a pancake w/o baking soda.

Posted by: JumboJimbo

Most days I'm not crazy about living in SoCal. Today, however, with a forecast high of 80, it doesn't seem so bad at all.

I can do all you did, skipping the logs in the fire part, enjoy myself and not risk frostbite.

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"skipping the logs in the fire part"

caveman tv..

Our Terrorist In London, Assange, (actually the MI, representing the NATO anti-American Imperial Hijack element), might give Wes Welker the First Amendment of The Year Award (actually, I'm kinda Firsty meself)..FEETS DON'T FAIL ME NOW!!!

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | January 15, 2011 4:07 PM |

I envy you but you SoCal dudes have your own probs to worry about - earthquakes, mud slides, wild fires, flood-outs (Qualcomm), etc.

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 15, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I think I heard my name mentioned...How about you join me today and tomorrow for fubball? I'm 3-1 after last weeks games and I'll be serving beer and pretzels and like such as maps at halftime.

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 15, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I think I heard my name mentioned...How about you join me today and tomorrow for fubball?

Posted by: CindyBoren | January 15, 2011 4:32 PM |

Like where you at?

Posted by: JumboJimbo | January 15, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

Every time I watch the Steelers play, I thank the heavens that we got rid of Ryan Clark.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Heh heh heh. I had to drop in for this:

Shaun Swiss Ham yet again chokes wide left in a pressure situation.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | January 15, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I hate Dan Deerdork. I cannot stand him. He's stupid, his BS metaphors, his masked racist comments, his fake enthusiasm...

Can somebody, at long last, please put a sock in this idiot?

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

Every time I watch the Steelers play, I thank the heavens that we got rid of Ryan Clark.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 5:37 PM |

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You are being sarcastic, of course. Nobody is actually THAT stupid. Except maybe Dan Dierdorf.

I swear, "Well, Flacco did HIS job. Ray Rice caused the fumble by not securing the ball any better than he did. Tuck that baby away, high and tight..."

"Oh, Ryan Clark got his left hand in there and knocked it away!!! [he said as if he'd never seen a stripped football before]"

I hate him so much. He's a tool. what would he ever know about securing a football? He's a large, non-athletic, boy scout who needs to be shut the F up.

He's ruining the playoffs.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore is up by 7 with 7:36 left in the 3rd quarter and I'm predicting a Pittsburgh ass-whooping to ensue shortly.

B'more is done.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Book It!

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't know how many of you saw this interesting article on what happens to teams that have the draft's top pick...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/01/13/sportscasting.excerpt/index.html

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

You can count on Flacco to make one majorly poor decision in the playoffs.

I look at the Steelers' defense and hope to see the Skins to start to invest in the players to make their defense work this year.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

You can count on Flacco to make one majorly poor decision in the playoffs.

Posted by: TWISI

Its his coach

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I was relieved to find out, watching the Steelers and Ravens game, that we are not the only team that has a lot of incredibly dumb football players. Their morons are just more talented and athletic than our morons.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 15, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Just in case you thought the NFL was clean...Refs handlin' WAAAY too much already..But, its like the rest of the damn rigged society, I guess...Sleepwalkin' Zombies, Inc..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced all this talk about the Skins needing a big WR is just that...talk. It's about the ability to get separation, and the ability to make plays down field.

That is all.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You are being sarcastic, of course. Nobody is actually THAT stupid

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 15, 2011 6:34 PM |


There are many on this blog who might testify to the contrary.

...an yes, I was kidding.

Posted by: edvar | January 15, 2011 8:41 PM | Report abuse

twisi

I'm convinced all this talk about the Skins needing a big WR is just that...talk.

What you mean to say is that an NFL team needs 3-4 dynamic athletes out on the edges who can make plays...and that they might not necessarily mean 6' 3" NBA point-guard type players in a football uniform.

Too, I don't think you need to draft receivers high anymore as the proliferation of pro-style passing in college means there are just so many guys to choose from.

For every Micheal Crabtree drafted in round 1, there are tons o' undrafted or low round guys who have major impacts as wr's.

Guys like Pierre Garcon, Donald Driver, Marques Colston, and Miles Austin are proof of same.

The redskins do need 2-3 additional athletes at the wr spot to go with AA, TA, BB, MM, and SMoss (please re-sign).

But having said that, we can groom up a few gems to catch the ball.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 8:43 PM | Report abuse

What do John Kuhn, Ben Grimes, and mistamoe all have in common?

They all played football for Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania.

Go Ship!!

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 8:46 PM | Report abuse

But having said that, we can groom up a few gems to catch the ball.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 8:43 PM

Spot on IMO. I do believe for a WCO, drafting or signing young WRs is an necessity. What is also a necessity is the drafting and or signing of young LBs.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 8:57 PM | Report abuse

twisi

drafting or signing young WRs is an necessity

The packers' receivers are a case in point.

Donald Driver, James Jones, and Greg Jennings are all the same kind of athlete: long, rangy, excellent hands, not exceptionally fast.

(And it helps the very talented A Rodgers throwing them the ball.)

Not a one is a first/second rounder--there's a lesson there.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Man Rogers has a insane release...dude is gonna be good for-a long time...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 15, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

I hate to admit it, because I hate all things Atlanta, but they are a very good football team. Very well coached.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 15, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Damn, Moe, what do they teach up there, arithmetic?? I bet that degree really opened the doors to Corporate America for you..(sie)

QBs and WRs and NTs are such die rolls, the safe pick is Pouncey..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 9:15 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline (no pun intended)

Principal arrested on pot charge

The arrest redefines the meaning of 'high school'.

Officials in the sleepy community of Bong Water, Florida, are dazed and confused about the arrest of one of their own.

The principal, Mrs. Bob Marley, was arrested after admitting to shooting the sheriff, but not the deputy.

In the mugshot, the bleary-eyed principal is seen wearing a t-shirt that shouts, "Just Say No To School!"

Beyond that, the principal had no comment...at least none that she could remember.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The AFC is a serious gauntlet to survive, in the NFC , we have the 7-9 Seahawks...

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 9:23 PM | Report abuse

How is Tramon Williams not in the Pro Bowl? Oh that's right because they screwed up and DHall is going instead.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Pouncey..
His brother played well tonight...

Posted by: skinswillwin | January 15, 2011 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Moe, this Buds for you!!

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

QBs and WRs and NTs are such die rolls, the safe pick is Pouncey..


The entire draft is a roll of the dice.

So it makes sense to take from the draft what it offers in talent abundance.

This draft is a qb, d-lineman, olb, secondary draft: and we need those players, too.

And someone has to convince me that Mike Shanahan is going to use a top pick on a 325 offense lineman the year after having done so on another offensive lineman.

The Pouncey pick will happen for some other team--deal with it!

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44

How is Tramon Williams not in the Pro Bowl?

Preach, brother.

Preach.

Williams is excellent.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

So now James Jones is catching anything and everything.

Grimes is another guy that has had a tremendous season at CB. Just beaten by Jones tho..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

"And someone has to convince me that Mike Shanahan is going to use a top pick on a 325 offense lineman the year after having done so on another offensive lineman."

Somebody up here posted that Snidely has drafted 3 OLs over the past ten years...This is the fundamental crisis facing humanity in our time, and demands to be addressed..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

The OLB in the draft got a little deeper as Justin Houston (OLB Georgia) declared for the draft. He led the SEC in sacks with 10 in the regular season.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 9:55 PM | Report abuse

We've got to take an impact defensive player at #10. We need an OLB such as Quinn/Kerrigan/Miller/Ayers on the opposite side of Orakpo or possibly JJ Watt at DE.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers is ELITE.

Mike Smith needs a bro (male bra).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers is ELITE.

Mike Smith needs a bro (male bra).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

2 years ago, I drafted Aaron Rodgers in both my RI FF teams because I knew he'd be good.

Late last year, I traded Rodgers on one of those teams for Tom Brady and Larry Fitzgerald -- and won the championship. This year, the guy I traded with used his keeper pick for Rodgers -- and beat me in the championship game as a result.

Aaron Rodgers is really good. In FF and in real life.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Braggadocio is not my style, but for those who've been paying attention, I have AT LEAST posted as if I was an agent for LaMarr Woodley (or Cullen Jenkins ... and the game is not over yet) and James Jones (as well as Malcolm Floyd, who we obviously will not see this post-season).

Plus Harvey Dahl.

There is Pro Bowl. There is All-Pro. Then there is dcsween Pro.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, in FF -- I've used plenty of Packers aside from Rodgers over the past couple years. James Jones, Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley.

Basically, if they play for GB, I'm interested.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 15, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

We need an OLB such as Quinn/Kerrigan/Miller/Ayers on the opposite side of Orakpo or possibly JJ Watt at DE.


Here is where we agree-disagree.

I think the we need to solidify the defensive line's play as if we get true NT-R-Defensive End play, the linebacking overall improves.

Lineman who pressure and stop the run are a major need for our defense.

To me, guys like RobJax, Chris Wilson, Perry Riley, and Robert Henson are unknowns and might be like Chris Clemons--players who might be good defenders, but never get on the field.....until they go elsewhere.

If we all agree that A Bryant looks like a NT, then we must remember he is 29 and a hasn't been an NFL starter--that's telling.

So we need a NT.

Vonnie Holliday is the only right defensive end we have as both Golston and Haynesworth failed massively at the spot (A Carriker, btw, finished the year strong).

So we need a Right defensive end.

And we need a defensive lineman flexible enough to play some end and straight up defensive tackle.

Again, we need defensive help.

But I think adding a veteren who's played in the 3-4 and adding two college defensive line kids from 3-4 systems is the way to go.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

You had Tom Brady and Larry Fitzgerald and lost???

Posted by: daggar | January 15, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

We've got to take an impact defensive player at #10. We need an OLB such as Quinn/Kerrigan/Miller/Ayers on the opposite side of Orakpo or possibly JJ Watt at DE.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:01 PM

Quinn is an interesting prospect. No doubt he has the talent to be a force off the edge both in the run and the pass game. However he'll be making a position change to OLB with the Skins after sitting out the year.

Posted by: TWISI | January 15, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

We've got to take an impact defensive player at #10. We need an OLB such as Quinn/Kerrigan/Miller/Ayers on the opposite side of Orakpo or possibly JJ Watt at DE.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:01 PM

Cause otherwise it has to be a spin at the WR roulette wheel.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Aaron Rodgers is ELITE.

Mike Smith needs a bro (male bra).

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:09 PM

No kidding on both. Can you believe they stayed pat on Favre for as long as they did? Also, have you seen Gregg Williams recently (dude needs breast reduction surgery).

These GB receivers are for real too ... Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones ... is Donald Lee even on GB anymore?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Moe- We definitely need a NT but not at #10. The first NT off the board will be Powe from Ole Miss and then Davis from Baylor. Those guys will be on the board in the 2nd.

With the 10th pick it's either OLB/DE/QB/and a long shot WR.

TWISI- Quinn is a tweener and will either be a 3-4 OLB or a 4-3 DE. He's 6'5 and 260 and has the quick burst and overall speed that you'd look for in a rush OLB.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Skins showed good platooning skills this year, dealing with injuries..Maybe not as good as the Pack, but definitely an improvement..Rodgers might win him a Super Bowl ring afore long..

Meeting between McNabb's agent and the FO will determine if we draft a QB..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 10:33 PM | Report abuse

To me, guys like RobJax, Chris Wilson, Perry Riley, and Robert Henson are unknowns and might be like Chris Clemons--players who might be good defenders, but never get on the field.....until they go elsewhere.

>>>> Good point, but that is the heart of special teams right there ... for every Chris Clemons, there was a Khary Campbell and a Robert McCune.

So we need a NT.

>>> Absolutely.

Vonnie Holliday is the only right defensive end we have as both Golston and Haynesworth failed massively at the spot (A Carriker, btw, finished the year strong).

So we need a Right defensive end.

>>> Agree about Golston (and adios Philip Daniels), which is the Ngata spot.

And we need a defensive lineman flexible enough to play some end and straight up defensive tackle.

>>> Ngata spot (or Cullen Jenkins).

But I think adding a veteren who's played in the 3-4 and adding two college defensive line kids from 3-4 systems is the way to go.

>>> Sold. But I'm willing to call LaMarr Woodley, Ngata, or Jenkins a "veteran" for those purposes.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 10:17 PM

Also, remind me, did Baltimore extend Suggs this past season?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Frankly hope we shore up the middle of the O-line and keep McNabb..Trade up for Luck next year..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Moe- We definitely need a NT but not at #10. The first NT off the board will be Powe from Ole Miss and then Davis from Baylor. Those guys will be on the board in the 2nd.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:31 PM

I thought that Paea (DT/Oregon State) was supposed to be a solid multi-purpose DL, including NT (6'1" 315 lbs), is supposed to be a Top Ten talent, esp. with Luck and the WRs not declaring.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:41 PM | Report abuse

sween- Paea is a 4-3 DT or a 3 technique and even if we were a 4-3 team #10 would be too high.

A 3-technique tackle lines up between the offensive guard and tackle. A 3-technique tackle is supposed to run through his gap immediately. He is a 1-gap player. His job is not to block or get tied up in a block, but rather to be athletic and get himself into the offensive backfield and disrupt their plans. Because of this a 3-technique tackle is a lighter, more athletic guy than a nose tackle.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"The first NT off the board will be Powe from Ole Miss and then Davis from Baylor"

Uh, Diesel, I guess you missed the Championship game where the Auburn NT totally dominated...Tell me you're not a mole-YOU IZ MOLE-ECULAR!!

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

What about moving Rocky Mac to the outside, investing in a DE, and then getting the veteran at the other ILB spot?

How old is Larry Foote and is he under contract?

[Don't mean to be pimping the Steelers by mentioning Woodley and Foote ... I despise the Steelers and everything about Hines Ward and Roethlesberger.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

D44

The first NT off the board will be Powe from Ole Miss and then Davis from Baylor. Those guys will be on the board in the 2nd.

If Shanny takes, say, Jake Locker in round 1, you have to hope a NT is there in the second round--and someone will.

Too, given the draft's depth, we still win if we take an olb/de-end in the second.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

frak- Fairley will be off the board by #3. He's not a NT. He's a DT or a 3-4 DE.

I do my part and try to educate but if you don't want to learn then I can't teach ya..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

OK re: Paea, but he doesn't seem that light ... but on that light/fast not equal NT, so what's the deal with Jay Ratliff? Its not like he sucks.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 10:59 PM | Report abuse

sween- Rocky is gonzo. He's a FA and was a poor fit for the 3-4. He was another 1st RD pick (we traded a 1st to take him in the 2nd) that didn't quite live up to expectations.

I wanted Larry Foote last YR and this YRs want is FA ILB David Harris from the Jets.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Fairley, is the dude you put in the middle to blow everything up..But, you're right, he's gone by 5..

The MUDDER (Rammstein's "Motor") is gonna be Luck. So building up either side of the line is cool with me..

Posted by: frak | January 15, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Jay Ratliff is an anomaly. 6'4 310 and strong as a bull. He was a teammate of Campbell's at Auburn and was a steal in the 7th RD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Why was Rocky a better ILB than OLB in the shift to 3-4? I never understood that. In his college ball, he got after the QB quite a bit. I figured that it was because he was better than every other LB on the roster in pass coverage, i.e., roster shortage, rather than that OLB wouldn't have been a better fit for his skill set. Frankly, seems like coverage of the rush the weakest part of his game.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Quick:

Bone up on the last Packers v. Patriots Super Bowl.

(Remember: Parcells lost to Holmgren/Favre)

That's shaping up to be the big game.

And we take the Packers beating the PAT's young defense...

...and Tom Brady.

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

If Ratliff really is anomalous (tall, light, but strong), how is it that he is the only NT of the four DTs picked for All-Pro -- All-Pro, not Pro Bowl -- last season? My prototype of NT has always been like Kelly Gregg: no need for height, just strong and low center of gravity. But Ratliff is like the best NCAA wrestlers in the weight class just below heavyweight (or in some years, the best heavyweights). Gregg is a former NCAA heavyweight wrestling champ. If Paea was the strongest, the most powerful (like Haynesworth with endurance), why wouldn't he be the guy? Technique can be taught if you haven't had to do it before but the new defense calls for it, right?

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 11:30 PM | Report abuse

sween- You need impact at #10. Guys like Gregg (6th RD) and Ratliff (7th) can be had later if our scouts know what they are looking for.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Who backs up Brady this year? If there's a team in the NFL that would put a bounty on a player, would surprise me if it wasn't the Ryan boy's team.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, D44, I think Skins should be bookending Orakpo too, but I'm just trying to figure out whether it needs to be the other OLB or whether it could be the other DE. Plus seems like Skins kind of sucked against the run this season ... and that seems like its gotta be on the three down linemen ... or the ILBs ... so seems like the "star" could be the BPA (athlete and leadership-wise) of those three spots at #10.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. They need to upgrade OLB, NT, DE, ILB, FS, & CB.

Just looking at a top 10 pick and you're usually talking OLB, DE, or CB with that high of a pick.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 15, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

The combine record for 225 is 51. They say Paea might challenge it. He's strong like bull and has shorter arms that are an advantage with the bench press.

btw my best was 26. Now due to a shoulder injury I only do incline.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Trent Williams or Selvish Caper just do some really low number of bench reps at the last Combine?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 12:10 AM | Report abuse

SNL question, is Cee-Lo Green that same person as Gnarls Barkley? And is either of them London Fletcher?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Williams - 23
Capers - 19

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Did you ever think about offensive tackle or were you strictly the D side of the line?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Why was Rocky a better ILB than OLB in the shift to 3-4? I never understood that. In his college ball, he got after the QB quite a bit. I figured that it was because he was better than every other LB on the roster in pass coverage, i.e., roster shortage, rather than that OLB wouldn't have been a better fit for his skill set. Frankly, seems like coverage of the rush the weakest part of his game.

Posted by: dcsween | January 15, 2011 11:15 PM
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He just isn't a 3-4 backer, period. He's too small to be on the outside and his lack of pass coverage skills are a liability on the inside. Plus, both he and Fletcher have trouble shedding blockers. Towards the end of the season, Lorenzo Alexander saw some time inside while they auditioned guys like Chris Wilson on the outside. Wilson didn't look so hot, but I could see Lorenzo Alexander as an inside backer next season. Although everyone says all of the right stuff about Fletcher, I wonder if they really are that keen on keeping a linebacker with his age on the roster. He's also highly paid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 16, 2011 12:43 AM | Report abuse

SNL question, is Cee-Lo Green that same person as Gnarls Barkley? And is either of them London Fletcher?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 12:12 AM

Yeah, Cee-Lo was Gnarls.

Posted by: edvar | January 16, 2011 12:43 AM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that priority ONE next year for the D is stopping the run. That being said, we need to upgrade NT, RDE, OLB, ILB and probable another ILB next year if we keep Fletcher (which we should, IMO).

Returning starters: Carricker, Bryant (or good depth), Orakpo, Fletcher, D Hall, and Landry.

Half our D starters should be new nest year! (ouch)

...and we will need to find a real FS and probably a CB to replace Carlos when he walks away mumbling to himself looking at his hands.

And that's before we look at the O.


HELP!

Posted by: edvar | January 16, 2011 12:55 AM | Report abuse

They all played football for Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania.

Go Ship!!

Posted by: madmoe1 | January 15, 2011 8:46 PM


Do you know Jerry Castro?

Posted by: the_shocker1 | January 16, 2011 2:07 AM | Report abuse

I wonder why steinberg talks like a 12 yr old girl.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | January 16, 2011 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Fcuk.....


I just shti my pants

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 16, 2011 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Has the City of Atlanta recovered yet?

Their 'beloved' football team finishes the NFL season with the best record in the NFC and gets beatdown in a home playoff game.

Talk about disappointment.

Talk about letdown.

Talk about a major 'choke' effort--again--on the part of the 'dirty birds' in the playoff (the cards got'em a couple years ago, memba dat?).

I will never take the Atlanta Falcons seriously again.

At least not until next year.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Who backs up Brady this year?

The question for today is, who backs up Rex Ryan..and his mouth?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Moe, plus there was the blessing of GB getting the points. All the signs pointed to Falcons getting pantsed, esp. that that group has never been to the playoffs before. Next year, should be a different story with one under their belt but their offseason is going to hit those guys harder than other teams. All I could think of was about how Charger-y they seemed.

Didn't notice till the end that Packers never had to punt.

Also, McIntosh does not seem too small for OLB. I don't buy it. But I agree that the Skins probably won't be buying him next year either.

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 9:00 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

Didn't notice till the end that Packers never had to punt.

Hadn't noticed that.

Damn the packers rocked the Falcons.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Was that a brilliant display of QB play by Aaron Rodgers last night or what? The 49ers are wondering how they picked Alex Smith over this guy. If Rodgers stays healthy GB wins the SB.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 16, 2011 9:38 AM | Report abuse

McIntosh does not seem too small for OLB.


By most folks account, our interior 'backers are small:


Rocky McIntosh 6'2 239


London Fletcher 5' 10" 245


When you scan around NFL rosters, most 3-4 inside linebackers weigh 245+--and can run.

And let's face it, Rock hasn't lived up to his draft pedigree as either an outside/inside 'backer.

When the Bears wanted Rock in the proposed Briggs' trade, we should've made the move and added Briggs.

And 12 year L Fletcher can't have that many more years under his belt, too.

We need some size/speed at inside linebacker on the inside and can achieve it inhouse, FA, or draft.

Rock should be replaced.

London will have to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Damn the packers rocked the Falcons.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 9:22 AM

That was a good old fashioned but-whoopin'.

Anytime Atlanta did anything good, the Pack would respond with an 8:45 second drive down the field and then stuff it in for a TD.

Come to think about it...they did that every time whether Atlanta did anything or not.

Posted by: edvar | January 16, 2011 9:46 AM | Report abuse


now if allen follows the packers GM ted thompsons approach in building a team, I'll be a happier redskins fan.

allen has demonstrated already he's not that type of GM, and the path he's taking is the wrong path


http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101026/PKR07/101026161/Green-Bay-Packers-New-York-Jets-take-opposite-approaches-to-team-building

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

And how about the Ravens folding it up under the Steelers? Every time they start to look like they are becoming an elite team, they have a game like that. I thought that was going to be a much closer game.

Steelers - Patriots is gonna be a monster AFC Championship!


And Moe,

Cosign on our ILB situation. Need a new one this year and a new one next year (hoping we get one more solid year outta Fletch...)

Posted by: edvar | January 16, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

now if allen follows the packers GM ted thompsons approach in building a team, I'll be a happier redskins fan.

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 9:49 AM

Agree, GB has something like 16 players on IR, 6 that were starters, and they are playing lights out on both sides of the ball.

Dude knows how to build a team.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 16, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Self-promoting reposted line of the week:

Kids today are as soft as baby poop...And it's our own fault.


Kids today are also ignorant of history.

My college educated daughter asked, "So, tell me about tomorrow's holiday."

"Whaddya wanna know about Dr. King?" I responded, sensing a parent-child teaching moment.

"I quess he gets the holiday because he was a doctor."

"What I want to know," she asked with a straight face, "Is what country was he the king of?"

"And do they have a holiday for him there, too?"

Again, kids today are as soft as baby poop and ignorant of history.

And it's our own damn fault.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

hessone

now if allen follows the packers GM ted thompsons approach in building a team,...

When we posted earlier this week that Packers' GM Ted Thompson and Head Coach Mike McCarthy (COY--yes!) were doing the two best talent management jobs this season, some folks howled and cast insults....

....until last night.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Rogers doesn't want to come back, but he is the one I would re-sign. Rocky Mac wants back, but not so high on the list.

I imagine that Rocky Mac might find a good match in New Orleans. Without Fujita, they kind of have a hole in their LB Corps (Vilma, Shanle, and ham sandwich on the weakside). Plus Grilliams picked him over Thomas Howard (dcsween's choice that year, which was the year of the OLB). I could see Hayneworth working well in a Grilliams' D too. New Orleans needs something ... maybe they need to replace Grilliams ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse


c'mon moe, get it straight for once, it's all hessone's fault. right down to the baby poop

todays picks

bears
pats

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

About Ted Thompson ... "Over the same time, Thompson’s only trade was swapping some picks on draft day. He signed no unrestricted free agents. ..."

Wow. Just wow. NO free agents?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse


Hessone,

Maybe you should do a little research before you post if you did you would know that all NFL merchandise sales are shared equally amongst the teams. So Snyder makes just as much money from a McNabb jersey when he was in Philly as he does now that he plays for the Skins.

But your continued hate is admirable.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 15, 2011 10:36 AM |
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so, if you don't sell any jerseys, you get an equal share of the leagues total sale of jerseys, and that I understand.

I have my own business, and if I used your logic, I'd have less revenue because I'll already receive less money for nothing.

but your continued nit-picking is admirable.

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

When we posted earlier this week that Packers' GM Ted Thompson and Head Coach Mike McCarthy (COY--yes!) were doing the two best talent management jobs this season, some folks howled and cast insults....

....until last night.

MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 10:34 AM

Yet to prove that fans are the same everywhere, whilst some of us are deeply impressed by the job Thompson and McCarthy have done, I can remember seeing a thread where Packers fans ranted about how the pair were terrible and needed to go because they didn't make a trade for Marshawn Lynch.

Posted by: craig81 | January 16, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse


About Ted Thompson ... "Over the same time, Thompson’s only trade was swapping some picks on draft day. He signed no unrestricted free agents. ..."

Wow. Just wow. NO free agents?

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 10:40 AM |
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hey brownwood, did you read the part where no FA's were signed ?

imagine that

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Nice list from Hogs Haven of potential zone-blocking FA. BTW, I'd look for starting G/C or T/G from the FA pool and look to add depth in the mid to late rounds. I'd prefer concentrating he high picks in this draft on the defensive side of the ball

http://www.hogshaven.com/2011/1/12/1930446/detailed-look-at-2011-ufa-zone-blocking-offensive-linemen

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

dcsween

Just wow. NO free agents?

All it means is what folks have been saying is true:

SAVE DRAFT PICKS

LOOK FOR UNDRAFTED GEMS

..and, don't use all caps to express your opinions--unless you have to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Cynical Life Lesson:

from Mae West

The trick to being successful is to take all life gives...and give back very little in return.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Rob ryan now D Cordinator in Dallas...

Thoughts?

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 16, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Here's a big FU to the cowgirls and Rob Ryan!

HTTR!!

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 16, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse


dcsween

Just wow. NO free agents?

All it means is what folks have been saying is true:

SAVE DRAFT PICKS

LOOK FOR UNDRAFTED GEMS

..and, don't use all caps to express your opinions--unless you have to.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 10:53 AM |
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GB approach = long term success

NYJ approach = short term ?

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Rob ryan now D Cordinator in Dallas...

Thoughts?

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 16, 2011 11:05 AM |

Not worried at all. Garrett will invest picks on the offense, leaving Ryan to patch together a suitable defense.

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2011 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Hess

Don't forget GB had the same QB for what 16 yrs???

That gave them stability and allowed them to build around a guy, that guy bounced now his replacement gets all the toys

GB is a model for draft success, now if only we could lock down a 1= for a decade or how bout start with one season!

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | January 16, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Ryans...CLifton Ryan is probably going to be released from the Rams whenever the new NFL year starts. He doesn't fit coach Spag's defense and was placed on IR for migraines (what's up with that?). However, I think Haslett has experience coach Ryan, and at 6-4 324 lbs and only 26 years old, Ryan could be a player that could add rotational depth at NT and DE on the cheap.

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2011 11:21 AM | Report abuse

A couple of years ago the Packers fans I know were ranting and raving about what an ass Ted Thompson is for the way he ran the team and how he treated Favre. Now those same fans barely ever mention Favre's name.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 16, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

question for RI peeps:

who is the best owner from the list below ?

a) jerry jones

b) daniel snyder

c) al davis

d) william clay ford, sr.


Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Don't know how many of you saw this interesting article on what happens to teams that have the draft's top pick...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/01/13/sportscasting.excerpt/index.html

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Samson151 thats a great article that you mentioned on this thread. Hopefully, Bruce Allen will be able to reverse the trend of the Skins always wanting to trade up. When I read others on this post mention wanting us to trade up to get a certain prospect I just cringe.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Whatever the word is for the opposite of psyched (or siced) ... that's what I am about Rob Ryan (the former pirate ... the guy I wanted for DC after Grilliams left) going to Dallas and Tony Romo and Dez Bryant having so much time to get healthy.

Posted by: dcsween | January 16, 2011 11:35 AM | Report abuse


Allen will be able to reverse the trend of the Skins always wanting to trade up. When I read others on this post mention wanting us to trade up to get a certain prospect I just cringe.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 11:33 AM |
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I couldn't agree more goose

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101026/PKR07/101026161/Green-Bay-Packers-New-York-Jets-take-opposite-approaches-to-team-building

Posted by: hessone | January 16, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

interesting read, hess. I see MS and BA as working more toward the center of the spectrum. VC was way out there with the Jets, throwing draft picks at aging vets. BA seemed to reject the "big splash" this past off-season. Yes, they traded for DMac, but that was the only big one, and it wasn't that big. Hopefully FO has changed directions from the past.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 16, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

GB approach = long term success
So, is the GB approach "first get your franchise QB"?
Or is it "switch to a 3-4 defense"
Or is it "don't chase after UFAs in the last year of a CBA when the only pickings are players with 6+ years in the league"?
Or is it "play in a division where you get to play Chicago, Detroit, and Minn. twice rather than Phil., NYG, and Dallas"?
Or is it "you can barely qualify for the playoffs if you have your franchise QB in place, switch to a 3-4 the year before the last year of the CBA, and play in the NFC Central"?
That was a very impressive win yesterday, but let's not crown them just yet. They have a QB that is -- at minimum -- on the cusp of elite status. That, plus a solid defense, should get you into the playoffs (unless you're Norv Turner!!!).

Posted by: daggar | January 16, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I am not thrilled that Rob Ryan is working for the Cowboys. Be willing to bet it won't last long if he does well next year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

First order of business: Have Jason Garrett over for lunch.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 16, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Are the cowboys more concerned about their offensive line, thereby looking at that as their biggest need? How would you compare the state of their offensive line to the what the skins have today?

I thought our line played much better toward the end of the season and looked very good against a Giant team still trying to make the playoffs. With all the free agent banter going back and forth on possible free agents are we only off by one player to upgrade the line?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If I'm Jerry Jones sitting at #9 in the draft who do you think I will select? WR, QB, DT, OLB, CB?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 12:49 PM | Report abuse

How is Tony Siragusa employed?

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 1:07 PM | Report abuse

goose- the cowboys can't cover anyone. My guess is CB and probably Prince from Nebraska.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

hawks might want to cover Greg Olsen

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Rob Ryan?? Forget feet sex, forget leg sex- ENTIRE BODY SEX, JUST PUT THE WHOLE THING IN THERE!!..call it, "Birth"..

I'd rather have Ryan than Haslett, though..

Posted by: frak | January 16, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is running that TE throwback that the Skins had success with throwing to Fred Davis.

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Don't know how many of you saw this interesting article on what happens to teams that have the draft's top pick...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/the_bonus/01/13/sportscasting.excerpt/index.html

Posted by: Samson151 | January 15, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Samson151 thats a great article that you mentioned on this thread. Hopefully, Bruce Allen will be able to reverse the trend of the Skins always wanting to trade up. When I read others on this post mention wanting us to trade up to get a certain prospect I just cringe.

Posted by: flyinggoose1
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That is a very good article... And the Skins are the punchline at the end. Oof.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 16, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

The Packers are interesting...

They're offensive line isn't that great, but they have a top of the line QB that compensates for a so-so offensive line.

As Redskins fans, we have, and rightfully so, been so skpetical about picking QB's with a high pick, because we've been burned.

We moved UP to get Jason Campbell and he's not in the same galaxy as Rodgers.

Having to pick a franchise QB is simply, no risk, no reward.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 16, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

SICIWIDIT'S FAN QUOTES FROM DA' REDKINS' SEASON:

"You know you don't switch to a 3-4 defense if you don't have the personnel. We had a top 10 defense."


...and ya'll say the front office has a "win now" attitude. That "top 10" defense was on a 4-12 team.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 16, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge

As Redskins fans, we have, and rightfully so, been so skeptical about picking QB's with a high pick, because we've been burned.

We've been burned only because the FO has failed to build a solid team around the quarterbacks we've selected.

Shuler was wanted by the FO, not the coaches, Ramsey, the same.

The coach who drafted Campbell lost interest in coaching.

We haven't been burned as much as we've burned ourselves.

We've used FA like it was Charmin.

Plenty of good young quarterbacks have come in the league since the failed Shuler pick--the teams that took them cast die just like we did.

And will have to do again.

The elites are rare for a reason.

And you cannot decide not to draft a quarterback just because you aren't sure if he's elite.

Folks love AR, but forget that in his draft year, he was a Ted Tedford 'system' kid.

Now, he is in his sixth year as an NFL quarterback--and ballin.

He's running the same offense he watched Brett Favre run for the three years he rode the bench behind him.

The packers made sure that when he tookover for Favre, he had blockers, runners, and ballcatchers.

They switched to the 3-4 and added drafted players to it to it to make sure he wouldn't have to win games all on his own.

The redskins didn't do this for the quarterback they drafted in round one the same year Rodgers came out.

And not making sure a young'n has a more complete team around him is the usual path to quarterback failure.

And it's also why we aren't an elite team.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The Packers are interesting...

They're offensive line isn't that great, but they have a top of the line QB that compensates for a so-so offensive line.

As Redskins fans, we have, and rightfully so, been so skpetical about picking QB's with a high pick, because we've been burned.

We moved UP to get Jason Campbell and he's not in the same galaxy as Rodgers.

Having to pick a franchise QB is simply, no risk, no reward.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 16, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

There was allot of GMs scratching their heads when the Skins traqded up to draft Jason Campbell. Many believed he wasn't rated that high and the Skins could have gotten him if they had stayed put. As much faith as we had in Joe Gibbs I don't think he was that good in evaluating college talent and the his second time around with "Vinny the Puppet" proves the point. Joe Gibbs as a head coach = excellent choice. Joe Gibbs + Vinny Cerato = stunted growth for a football team. Vinny Cerato = total disaster for a football team.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Packers offensive line is all that good...nothing to boost about even though they are playing better. But, A. Rodgers is a real good QB and he is on my list as an "elite QB." J. Campbell would still have the same issues as an NFL starting QB even with an improved offensive line.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

goose

There were a lot of GMs scratching their heads when the Skins traded up to draft Jason Campbell.

Drafting Jason Campbell wasn't the problem:

--changing offensive systems was

--not employing a system that narrowed Campbell's reads down was

--building an offense around a running game featuring Clinton Portis during the Golden Age of NFL Passing was

--not adding superior athletes to the offensive line to insure solid pass blocking was

--meshing Jim Zorn's WCO with Gibb's running game system was

You can get to the the Super Bowl without an elite quarterback--recent Super History is littered with names like Delhomme, Dilger, Grossman, and the rookie Roethlisberger.

It's just that the team around him has to be elite.

And during the Campbell years, that WAS the problem: the redskin FO didn't do the hard, smart job of building a solid team trying to 'win-now'.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

i know this is a bit late in the game and all, but i just watched the wes welker foot interview. omg... that was hilarious! i understand he got "sat down" for that?!?! belichek has no sense of humor...

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | January 16, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

As much as everyone calls Belicheat a genius (and he is a great coach), I still have to wonder how many SB titles he would have if he hadn't hit the lottery with Brady. Silly hair or not, he is pretty close to being a perfect quarterback. With Cassel at the helm I don't know if they win one Bowl, much less three or four.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 16, 2011 4:52 PM | Report abuse

goose

J. Campbell would still have the same issues as an NFL starting QB even with an improved offensive line.


I dunno.

Dude looked decent--not stellar--with the raiders in the games I caught.

In Oakland, though benched, he didn't take 43 sacks.

Remember: he's, what 27?

He can grow still.

We'll all vomit collectively if in the second year in the same system with Hue Jackson, he steps up abit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 16, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

J. Campbell looked hesitant in the games that I watched...just too afraid to make a mistake. He would not have played as much for the Raiders if Gradkowski was healthier.

I just hope that if we do anything in the draft that we trade back.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Thats music to my ears when I heard Charlie Casserly state the 8 out of the 10 teams picking in this years draft (1-10) could pick a QB.

I'm hoping all the QBs that the skins might be interested in are gone (this includes Locker) so that we draft an all around 3-4 OLB or trade back and pick up another offensive lineman.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping all the QBs that the skins might be interested in are gone (this includes Locker) so that we draft an all around 3-4 OLB or trade back and pick up another offensive lineman.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 5:54 PM

IMO early in this draft, it's about BPA at alll positions, except TE. I'd lean towards defense early because that side of the ball needs play makers in the front 7 as well as more speed.

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

won't be happy if rob ryan is coaching in dallas. He knows what he's doing. Considering some of the hires around the league, I'm surprised he wasn't getting some HC interviews.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 16, 2011 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Da-amn!

Gotta give the Jets a lot of credit for pulling this one off. Helluva game.

Posted by: edvar | January 16, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

IMO early in this draft, it's about BPA at alll positions, except TE. I'd lean towards defense early because that side of the ball needs play makers in the front 7 as well as more speed.

Posted by: TWISI | January 16, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse


cosign, TWISI. And this draft class has more top choices at DL and LB, so that also bodes well for getting D front 7 BPA.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 16, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

nice to see the Pats lose.
This is what you get for running up the score 4 weeks ago against the Jets (45-3).

Same coach that ran up the score against Gibbs a few years ago... 57-?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 16, 2011 7:57 PM | Report abuse

52-7

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Belichek out of the tourney...

I pick the Steelers and Packers next week, and Pitt will win their 7th Super Bowl.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 16, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Did not see that one coming!! Careful running on those sex organs, Rex, Dr. Ruth's podiatrist is all booked up..

Guess thats why dey play de game..

Posted by: frak | January 16, 2011 8:11 PM | Report abuse

52-7

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 8:02 PM
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yep.. you're right..52-7
Belicheat ran up the score because he felt Gibbs once ran up a score against him in Cleveland 15 years earlier. Psychotic revenge...

This game today, with Brady neutralized, shows what Belichek would be without Brady.. The same coach he was with Kosar.

BB hasnt won a Super Bowl since spygate.
And Brady is an average QB when he doesnt have the opposing Defensive team's expected coverage being piped into his helmet.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 16, 2011 8:19 PM | Report abuse

The Pats/Jets playoff game was interesting to watch. A couple of remarks:

1. Rex Ryan clearly outcoached the Pats OC, whoever the dud was. Ryan switched from a typical blitz-driven D scheme to a 3 man rush and the approach flummoxed the Pats so much that they didn't make any countermoves until late in the game when guess what - it was too late!

2. The best part of the game was actually the short studio segment after the game was over. One of the analysts, Dan Marino, mentioned how "the Pats didn't play with no urgency" towards the end of the game. The old double negative! I howled like Allen Ginsberg when I heard that. Although bad grammar is the lingua franca of professional athletes it is a no-no for sportscasters on broadcast networks like CBS. I personally think bad grammar is cool and always get a chuckle when RI dick heads like MistaMoeFo and Pee-Pee pooh-pooh RI postings which they find to be lacking in the area of "The King's English".

Posted by: TubularBells | January 16, 2011 9:13 PM | Report abuse

This game today, with Brady neutralized, shows what Belichek would be without Brady.. The same coach he was with Kosar.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 16, 2011 8:19 PM |

There have been a couple of postings on RI about the so-called "Belichick Coaching Tree". It seems like the branches on the tree that sprouted in BB's Pats tour (the genius phase) have been uniformly bad - Crennel, Mangini, Weis, McDick. Those that sprouted during his Brown's tour (he had some success but eventually was fired) seem to have done better - Saban, Captain Kirk - and it was in college, not in the pros. How about them apples?

Posted by: TubularBells | January 16, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

There have been a couple of postings on RI about the so-called "Belichick Coaching Tree". It seems like the branches on the tree that sprouted in BB's Pats tour (the genius phase) have been uniformly bad - Crennel, Mangini, Weis, McDick. Those that sprouted during his Brown's tour (he had some success but eventually was fired) seem to have done better - Saban, Captain Kirk - and it was in college, not in the pros. How about them apples?

Posted by: TubularBells | January 16, 2011 9:25 PM

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True..pretty amazing list..
Their failures are dramatic after leaving the Pats.. Crennell, McDaniels, Mangini, Weis, Al Groh, etc.
Too bad for the current Assistant coaches under Belichick.. no one is going to touch them, now.

Also of interest, speaking of McDaniels, is the videographer he brought to Denver that worked for Belichick (BB). The one that had the Buffalo walk-through practice film he offered to McDaniels.. And the same person that was on the Pats staff that many claim filmed the St Louis Rams walk through the day before BB's first Super Bowl win.


Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | January 16, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

If Brady had started his career as a Redskin, he'd be selling suits in a men's store by now.

A couple of sacks and this guy completely falls apart. Which, in my book, makes him over-rated. If he lived behind Peyton Manning's line, he'd have been out of the league immediately.

If Peyton Manning had his O Line and defense, most of us would have stopped watching football by now, because it would be so boring watching Manning routinely go undefeated, running up scores, week after week, year after year.

Today's ass-whoopin couldn't have happened to a bigger bunch of cocky, over-rated bums.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 16, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Tom Brady sucks..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

J. Campbell looked hesitant in the games that I watched...just too afraid to make a mistake. He would not have played as much for the Raiders if Gradkowski was healthier.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 16, 2011 5:45 PM |

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Yeah, and there's the reason Tom Cable is looking for a job after going 6-0 in his division.

Al Davis always wanted Campbell at QB, and if you take one of the games off of Gradkowski's LOSING record and add it to Campbell's WINNING record, you're in the playoffs.

Gradkowski gets hurt because he runs too much. And he's not nearly as sturdy as JC is. Not many QBs are, honestly.

And, yes, Aaron Rodgers is really good.

Brady? He's amazing when he never has to worry about the pass rush. Like I've said, a couple of sacks, and he falls apart mentally.

See: Super Bowl vs. Giants.

Over. Rated.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 16, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady would have done us NO good over the past 10 years because our O Line has SUCKED the entire time.

He would have been hurt and everyone would have been crying that he doesn't have "pocket awareness."

You think if he'd been here we'd be better? He'd still be "Tom Brady?"

You're lunchin.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 16, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"Brady? He's amazing when he never has to worry about the pass rush. Like I've said, a couple of sacks, and he falls apart mentally. See: Super Bowl vs. Giants. Over. Rated."

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 16, 2011 10:27 PM

Yeah, because one game in a multi-Super Bowl winning, 11 year career means so much. Utter nonsense.

Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 16, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Tom Brady would have sucked behind 6x Pro Bowler Chris Samuels, John Jansen, etc for all those years.

Great QBs make average OLs great.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, because one game in a multi-Super Bowl winning, 11 year career means so much. Utter nonsense.


Posted by: rufus_t_firefly | January 16, 2011 10:44 PM

You must remember who you're talking to. He's as much a thinker as Rocky Balboa. Duh, ehh yo!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

The Jets started off the game kind of wobbly - couln't convert the intercept, blew a chip-shot FG. It was like the daunting prospect of having to back up their bluster was unnerving them. But they took a deep breath, righted the ship, and proceeded to play a good game. Sanchez made some nifty throws; Edwards, Holmes and Tomlinson made good catches; Ellis harassed Brady in the pocket, etc. The match-up between them and the Steelers is starting to look like "must see TV".

Posted by: TubularBells | January 16, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return......."

God help us!

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

"......You're lunchin......."

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 16, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Right! They's lunchin on the bunchin.' Heh,heh!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2011 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"Bruce Allen: Albert Haynesworth could return......."

God help us!

Posted by: glawrence007 | January 16, 2011 11:17 PM |

What's he gonna say, "We're just givin' his fat ass away?" He doesn't really have much choice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, here's a nugget. The Bears and The Packers playing for the Superbowl means Orakpo goes to the probowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh, here's a nugget. The Bears and The Packers playing for the Superbowl means Orakpo goes to the probowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 11:23 PM |

It does amp up a bit the Skins growing rep for goofy-speak. Like the rigamarole we got from MS about why he initially benched McNabb. I seriously doubt that there is any GM out there that read what Allen said and was able to keep a straight face.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 16, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people say its a QB's league, but out of the playoffs are Peyton, Brady, Brees and vick. Flacco and Ryan (both with 90+ ratings) are out and Rivers, with his 101 rating didn't make it in.

Still in the playoffs are Cutler , who finished 16th in rating (who advanced with a win over the 28th rated passer), along with Sanchez, the 27th rated passer.

Only Big Ben and Rodgers are the only elite QBs still playing.

Which goes to prove if you've got a good team, you don't need a great QB in order to go a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 16, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

It does amp up a bit the Skins growing rep for goofy-speak. Like the rigamarole we got from MS about why he initially benched McNabb. I seriously doubt that there is any GM out there that read what Allen said and was able to keep a straight face.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 16, 2011 11:44 PM |

Im sure, nonetheless, he really doesn't have a choice.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 16, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Which goes to prove if you've got a good team, you don't need a great QB in order to go a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 16, 2011 11:48 PM |

A good point. Also a reason to question whether the QB rating system is as good as some think. Prime example - I don't think Roeth has ever had good ratings but he comes through when it's on the line in the 4th qtr or a playoff game. Peeps on this blog were forever comparing Roeth's rating with Camp's to prove how good Camp was.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 17, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Which goes to prove if you've got a good team, you don't need a great QB in order to go a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 16, 2011 11:48 PM |

Check out points per game allowed during the regular season. In the end, it comes down the old adage that defense wins championships.

Posted by: TWISI | January 17, 2011 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Which goes to prove if you've got a good team, you don't need a great QB in order to go a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 16, 2011 11:48 PM |

Check out points per game allowed during the regular season. In the end, it comes down the old adage that defense wins championships.

Posted by: TWISI

This year, the top defenses have led teams a long way. Last season, Peyton and Brees were the Super Bowl QBs. Reality is that there is more than one way to succeed.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Which goes to prove if you've got a good team, you don't need a great QB in order to go a long way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 16, 2011 11:48 PM |

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Which brings me to my next question:

Why am I constantly agreeing with this guy, Zeke?

Yeah, my handle is "Thinker_," which, apparently, is fair game for anyone who doesn't agree to question my mental aptitude. Ha Ha Ha. His name is Thinker and I dsdisagree with him! Must be an idiot!

If only.

Brady is equal to Peyton Manning's left butt cheek.

Our problem has been O Line for YEARS. I can go back to Gus Frerotte and why I wanted us to keep Trent Green because he could throw on the run better. You can say, "Chris Samuels" or "John Jansen" all you want, but those lines were NOT Hogs. They were a bunch of crappy Dirt Bags, as their position coach called them, and rightfully so.

New England has a nice line. Against most teams. But, against NYJets, they looked frustrated, confounded, and ineffective.

You can cry about your fantasy game and point to your fantasy numbers all you want, but I PLAYED football for many years and was damn good at it, so I'll let you all in on a secret that you will never heed anyway:

Stats are a pile of Bull Sh!t.

That's right.

If I'm playing you and I want it more than you do, well, sorry, I'm gonna bash your face in to get it. I don't care that your 3rd down efficiency rating states that you're unstoppable. I don't care that your daddy played QB in the NFL. I don't care that your coach is one scream mask away from a lead role in a B rated horror series.

F you!

If you can't put that in your Diesel44 CPU and come out with Tom Brady is Overrated, well, sorry. Your computations are bogus. He twisted around, ducked Nobody, threw in the dirt, threw high, and generally made Aaron Rodgers look like the greatest QB left in the playoffs because, why? Because he stinks? NO.

Because he's a B!tch.

He's scared to lay it on the line. He's frail. He can't move and He's a Prima Dona.

Call me stupid, but he got his ass handed to him and exposed himself as a coward. Period.

Put that POS on the Skins next year. Go ahead!

Don't be surprised when Shanny is turning to Rex with 3 games left. Brady is overrated. If you don't like it, too F'ing bad. The truth hurts. Doesn't mean you can't go to Boston and blow him in your spare time. Get a grip. Go blow him and leave the football to those who played, who understand the game, who know what the F they are talking about.

Got it?

Ready... Break!

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 17, 2011 5:46 AM | Report abuse

and Scampbell1975, not to be confused with one of your asskissers....

F your mother, got that?

Go and F your Fking mother.

I hope I'm clear on this. If there's any confusion, I apologize.

I would mainly like for you to go and dig up your mother, jerk your tiny member into a state of preparedness, and F her.

Do it for me, OK?

You F'ing troll. Keep your snide comments to your M'Fking self. Your insight has led to what? The team blows worse than when they began to blow. Go F yourself!

After that, your mother. Got that?

Once you're done with that, feel free to fly to Boston and blow your hero, you POS. S
T
F
U.

I wish you would try one time to say some of your BS in my face. I wish.

You keyboard jockey.

I would twist your fat head off your skinny neck, homeboy. Run and tell THAT. I could shut you up without breaking a sweat, you fraud.

Look in the dictionary under troll. Scampbell1975 is there, F'ing his mother and blowing Tom Brady.

Any questions?

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 17, 2011 6:02 AM | Report abuse

Great QBs make average OLs great.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 10:56 PM |

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Yeah, I'd say you got that about 100% bass ackwards. Makes you sound like a fool.

And, if I may be so forward, what, exactly, do you base your conclusions on?

If you say "Mark Rypien," I hope to sh!t on your face.

Give me ONE example, you idiot.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 17, 2011 6:07 AM | Report abuse

Just ONE SINGLE EXAMPLE.

Go back into the history of time and football.

Tell us the ONE SINGLE example where that was true.

Never?

Not even once?

Then, WTF did you just say that, you ding dong?

Why would you post some BS that EVERYBODY knows is untrue??

Think about that.
"Why am I, The idiot who calls himself Diesel, a Fking idiot?"

Hard question to answer, isnt it? I'd go back into my DNA if I were you.

For example... Is your father an idiot?

OK, and now your mother? Because you could easily have a double dose going on. It's definitely not unheard of.

Posted by: Thinker_ | January 17, 2011 6:12 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I'd comment on the playoff games from the weekend, but I don't wanna interrupt Thinker's very heated conversation with himself...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 17, 2011 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Thinker is on a roll. I'm not even sure what he's mad about.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Are there any B.J. Raji's in the draft that can give our version of the 3-4 the lift he gives Green Bay's? If so, will they be around at #10?

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 17, 2011 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 9:22 AM | Report abuse

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