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Post-Game Wrap

Well, Coach Joe sounded a little bit like Dubbya defending Rummy before the big election last week. Said he is not thinking about a QB change right now, though seemed to leave the door ajar a bit on that one, and later in the presser said intends to stick with his veterans and try to make a playoff push as long as they are alive.

Portis out at least a month. Could have surgery as soon as Monday. Needs pins in his broken right ring finger. Will be touch and go to see how well he is able to hold the ball. By that point the Skins might be mathematically eliminated, so I could see Clinton being done as well. Jusy my hunch.

Skins now allowing 26 points and 390 yards over last 5 games.

Should be dead last in the NFL in sacks, INTs, takeaways, big plays allowed (20 plus and 40-plus), penalty yardage, opposing QB rating, and, perhaps even total defense, when the weekend is over.

I believe they have been outscored something like 55-0 in the third quarter in the last five games.

Okay, my man Howard better finish his dang story cause he's holding up the caravan back to NoVa. Wish me well with the Jetta in the parking lot - again, holding out for only a keying and no tire slashing - and we'll see what kind of rain comes our way.

I'll try to think of something new to post from The Park tomorrow morning, but, man, kind of seems like the same old junk every week with this team, eh? Not sure there is too much fertile ground to plow. Perhaps you guys can inspire me.

Cheers

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 12, 2006; 6:37 PM ET
 
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I'm pulling out the Allen years, even when we lost we were exciting.

Posted by: Jesse | November 12, 2006 6:44 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION:
Portis broke the fourth metacarpal bone; the metacarpals are the bones in the hand and this is the one that extends up to the ring finger.
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Posted by: Jason's editor | November 12, 2006 6:59 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

How 'bout who will be available with the first pick in the draft--provided the folks out in Cashburn don't trade it away for Brett Farve or something.

Posted by: Green Baby G. | November 12, 2006 7:02 PM | Report abuse

For the one bloger who called me out in the middle of the week for saying I wasn't going to watch the game. I hope you are on my dark side now. Everythig I said BrenchMark would do he did.

I help a friend move this morning and he thank all of us by taking us to a late lunch at a sports bar. I watch most of the 3rd and all of the 4th period. I am sooo on the dark side right now. If Coach Joe doesn't bench Brunell this week. Then I moving to the side of the game has pass him.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2006 7:04 PM | Report abuse

How did CP break his hand?

Posted by: disappointed | November 12, 2006 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I bet JC moves up this week to . . . #2 on the chart. He'll help out so much better there.

As for Portis, well, get ready TJ. Has anyone else wondered in these posts if Denver will sign TJ in the offeason? That would be fun.

Posted by: BulletsFan | November 12, 2006 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Howard Bryant reports:

With 3:12 remaining and the Redskins trailing 10-0 in the first quarter, Portis ran around left end for nine yards and was brought down by safety Brian Dawkins. Portis landed awkwardly and when he jogged to the sideline seemed to favor his right side. He did not play again, after having rushed six times for 25 yards.
"It could be as long as four weeks, three or four, something like that," Tyer said. "He needs to be able to use his hands and function and be secure what he does with the football."

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 12, 2006 7:20 PM | Report abuse

BulletsFan no he will sign with the Eagles and pay us back next year.

Hello Cindy, SallieMae, Dealer, P, JLC, and the rest of the crew. At least you guys got drinking to ease your pain. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2006 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Am drinking only the finest H2O from the Potomac.
Am watching Saints try to tie Stillers.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 12, 2006 7:26 PM | Report abuse

This team is a joke. Brunell should do the right thing for the team: He should force Gibbs' hand by stepping down.

Posted by: Dave | November 12, 2006 7:46 PM | Report abuse

WAWAWAWA ALL YOUR ASSES ARE SORE FROM ANOTHER BUTT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPING!!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 12, 2006 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Boofer how do you have the courage to even show your face here? The bet was if Dallas lost you had to show up every day. (Mon- Fri) Your team lost and you went AWOL!! After telling me you are a man of your word. We see what type of man you are.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2006 7:55 PM | Report abuse

People, get a grip. Don't talk about draft picks. There is a 100% chance that the Redskins will trade their 2007 #1 pick and their 2008 #'s 3, 5 and 6 to Buffalo for Nate Clements who will get a franchise tag.

Then, on draft day, Joe Jackson Snyderatto will get bored, and in the helicopter to the draft day party at FedEx, they'll work a deal to trade the 2008 first rounder to Dallas for a third rounder that will be used to draft the Miami or Auburn waterboy.

Posted by: TB | November 12, 2006 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentlemen, I believe we have no more guts to fight out.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | November 12, 2006 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Brunell should do the right thing for the team: He should force Gibbs' hand by stepping down.

you guys are just being ridiculous about this brunell crap. he sucks! but it's not his job to sit himself down. it's joe gibbs job. if gibbs doesn't do that now (actually i predicted in 3 weeks because they're going to beat tampa) then he's lost his mind. and there're bigger things to worry about than a QB controversy!!!!

jm, you have to see the czabe interview with brunell. i think czabe's lost his mind, but i felt sorry for him and brunell.

btw, a "tough" question would've been "what did you see when you threw the INT? because it looked like #89 was covered?" OR "it seemed like you played better without #89 last week and you spread the ball out..." OR "why didn't you go down middle of the field like in the dallas game?"

btw dallas fans, like we said before we don't care what we do rest of the year as long as we see JC get in there and we beat your cows!!!! one of the two has come true...

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2006 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I have no words. . . . well maybe just a few. . .

A friend was in town so I Tivo'd the game. Then I talked to a friend in DC who told me it wasn't worth my time. So I watched it on fastforward and it still left me sad and tasting bile and exhausted.

Can someone please please please tell me where is the fire? The anger? The heart? Maybe we played all of our guts out so we have none left.

I hope CP rests and gets better and doesn't do anything to try and rush back. I want him whole and healthy next season.

I am at a total loss as why why why JC wouldn't go in at this point. Does JG really think we have a playoff shot?

AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: sfskin | November 12, 2006 8:29 PM | Report abuse

AND as jason (of this blog) suggested that gibbs hinted and left that door open (about switching QB's) at the presser and now he might not do it cuz he won't let his boy or himself be bullied by someone like czabe who joe hates to begin with.

so czabe, if you're reading this if they don't switch QB's this week you're to blame! and i'm going to SPAM YOU! (just kidding, really! what's 2 more weeks.).

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2006 8:31 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the link. that's nothing. he should be able to play in the next game. but the question is weather he'll be around next season as a skin. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

btw, skins have just 1 draft pick in the first day of this year's draft. (source is postgame show on CSN)

Posted by: editor | November 12, 2006 8:36 PM | Report abuse

oops!!! didn't mean to impersonate you editor!!!

i simply meant to thank you for the link to the wikipedia site...

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2006 8:37 PM | Report abuse

The Czabe/Brunell interview was priceless. Our players have been babied by the coaches and protected from the media for 3 years... it's time for them to face the music.

As far as the game, pathetic. What's weird is that I'm not even angry right now. It's gotten so bad that all I can do is laugh. Sometimes a tear or two fall out of my eye while laughing, but I'm definitely laughing.

The only crappy thing now is getting made fun of by all of my friends/co-workers who are not Skins fans. For that, I hope Gibbs makes it a point to note how sorry he is to me and everyone else made fun of at work tomorrow during his presser. Because lord knows that's more important than seriously discussing the game.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 12, 2006 8:46 PM | Report abuse

damn, i've got tix to the game here in tampa next week and the only thing sorrier than gradkowski right now is brunell. i bleed burgundy and gold, but i'm beginning to think st. joe has lost his marbles. at least TJ got some touches today, and he looked pretty good, but at this point in the season keeping brunell in there is a complete joke. i guess this is his swan song, but they shouldn't just bench him they should straight up cut him. the problems are so much deeper than QB, but unless we know what JC can do, we might as well field the practice squad on sundays for all the good it will do.

Posted by: tampadave | November 12, 2006 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Every other team in the league throws the ball down the middle of the field but we can't. It's dink and dunk, left and right, and then maybe one throw here and there. At least with Ramsey we saw solid down-feild throwing...remember Mark Rypien? Sure...he had a couple of great recievers but so does Brunell.

I hate to say this but I think coach is using his emotions more so that logic to decide his QB and he's so invested in Brunell as a friend (remember it was Brunell who took Joe to the hospital a few years back and basically saved his life) that all he does is blame everyone else.

There's no excuse for the defense but at least they're changing players and trying to get something to work. This season is over...we need to see what the other QB's can do on the playing field.

Posted by: Wes | November 12, 2006 8:50 PM | Report abuse

No sweat, dealer! Disagree on the injury, tho. It's to his right hand. How's he gonna hold the ball? And, if you say in his left hand, I'll ask, how's he gonna break his fall?
With that, I sign off until tomorrow morning when we can once again fix the Skins.

Posted by: Jason's editor | November 12, 2006 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I nearly sharted myself during this sequence:

Skins ball near midfield, 3rd and 4

Brunell walks up to the line late, we get called for false start penalty (would have been delay if not a false start)

so now 3rd and long (9)...

Brunell throws a 3 yard pass to Lloyd, incomplete, even if caught it he has nowhere to run after the catch and it would have been 4th anyway.

And how about all of those draw plays on 3rd and long...

It's like they gave up. Either that, or Gibbs still feels that he needs to be conservative when trailing 27-3 in the 4th quarter on a 3rd down in his own territory.

Again, it's sad how ugly this situation really is.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 12, 2006 9:02 PM | Report abuse

jm220 you are a fan who has no clue about football and for you to say someone is not a man of their word is crazy . you have no life ,stop typing and do something real with your life ,get a wife or girlfriend and stop trying to be a coach or gm of the redskins . this is'nt madden its real and you have no knowledge

Posted by: honest abe | November 12, 2006 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I hate my ****ing life and the Redskins make me want to die.

Joe Gibbs look what you have done! LOOK AT THE MESS YOU HAVE DONE!

ARRRRARAAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGH!!!!!!#@

Posted by: Mr. Yuck | November 12, 2006 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Up until about 4pm today I agreed with the decision to continue starting Brunell.

Now it's time. Start the kid and frame it as not giving up on the season but looking for a spark. There is absolutely no one left who would second guess the decision and the sooner we step out of this dream world of playoffs this year and get to the business of the future, the better.

Posted by: 20003 | November 12, 2006 10:13 PM | Report abuse

More of the coulda shoulda woulda's...

The Skins didn't even look that bad in the first half, minus two plays. And minus the fact they kept shooting themselves in the foot with penalties and dropped balls. I actually loved that we pretty much ran all over the Eagles in the first half.

With that said, once again, Brunell continues to dink and dump. Drives me absolutely NUTS! Why aren't we throwing in the middle of the field? Is it that no one is open? Is it that no one is running routes in the middle of the field? Is it that Brunell can't find them when they're open? Is it that he doesn't have time (looked like he had time today).

With all the dumps of the ball down under, you'd think that other teams would be susceptible to double moves, like Sean Taylor was. Does Brunell not have the arm?

Posted by: Canes fan (not Miami) | November 12, 2006 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I say we put Archu-gonnabenchme under center and just run counter-trey's to Andre C.

Odd how this whole thing unraveled this year. Injuries? Wrong personnel? Was Ryan C and a one year lag on A Pierce (and LaVar) the undoing of the Grilliams D?

Stumped on the coast, guys. At least I'd pick the Skins over my local teams, the Whiners and Raiders. Not much consolation.

Posted by: Cruzer | November 12, 2006 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Once again I'm happy Mark Brunell was asked that question. In every other walk of life, if you don't perform, you'll have people criticize you. Professonial athletes who get paid millions of dollars should not be pampered or protected. It would be one thing if Mark Brunell was forthcoming, but unfortunately, he is not. Kelli Johnson tried to ask him a well-worded question to make him shed some light on the offense. She said something to the effect of "With these wide receivers on the team, who aren't the weakness, why can't you guys get the passing game going?" And what was Brunell's response? Instead of being honest with us or himself, he said how there are a "bunch of things wrong" but never elaborated on a single one of them. At that point, someone should have asked him what just one of those things wrong was because he avoided the question...also, he tried to argue that they have to dump the ball off underneath because defenses are covering the longer passes...right Mark. They are double covering all three of our receivers down the field, and you with your incredible foresight, stay locked in to Betts out of the backfield the entire play because you already know whats going on downfield. But if thats the case, Betts should get a 15 yard gain on each one of those dumpoffs, if "defenses are protecting downfield." Mark Brunell is pathetic and what's worse, he isn't being honest with himself which is not fair for the fans. I applaud Steve Czaban. If you're not a Skins stooge, the organization doesn't give you access anyway. (I don't know about your situation, JLC, but I didn't hear you asking any Q's about why Jason Campbell isn't being seriously considered given the obvious limitations of Mark Brunell.)

Posted by: Skins Fan 202 | November 12, 2006 11:37 PM | Report abuse

JLA-

Let's see some more tough questions for Gibbs. Can anyone interview him and ask him if he feels that his personal stubborness has ruined the season for the fans? Let's see a full page expose on it. Ask him how he justifies sticking with Mark Brunel who is absoluteley woeful. Somebody ask him, what will it take to make a change? Will it take what it did last time, to get his attention, when Fed-Ex was filled for 5 straight minutes of boos on national television because the faithful could not stand it anymore and Patrick Ramsey won all those games to close out the year? Will that get his stubborn, curmudgeonly, disingenious, teflon Don, attention!?! A different QB, vertical passing. Duckett running, McIntosh starting, no big cushions for the corners...strap it up and finish out the season.

Posted by: Time4hardquestions | November 12, 2006 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm pretty much down with starting Campbell now to see what we've got. (Although I'm worried that the answer is not much.) But I'm pretty sure Gibbs will stick with Brunell for at least one more loss. That's fine. But I gotta say, John Madden's comment from the beginning of the season about Brunell was spot on. (Madden said, "My best guess is that they don't have the right players. What I'm talking about is the quarterback position.") It's not that Brunell is that bad. He usually keeps his mistakes to a minimum (game-icing interception vs. the Eagles notwithstanding). It's just that he doesn't do enough that's awesome. He can't stretch the field and fully utilize all of our little speedsters. Oh well. He does seem like a nice man.

Meantime, I'm worried that Sean Taylor studied at the Arrington school of self-discipline. He makes plays, to be sure. But at what cost?

In any case, I lay all of this at the doorstep of the Snyder, who is a jinx. I'm a lifelong Skins fan and I'd love to see the team (and Gibbs) win. But I also love that Snyder can't seem to do anything but lose (on the field, at least). The man is a baby.

And in other news, does anyone else have doubts about Portis? I always have. He's good, for sure. He's fast and he plays hard. But I wonder if his value is overstated. I know maybe we're not using him in the ideal way of late. And I'm sorry to bring this up when he's injured. But i guess I prefer a slightly bigger back. Clinton always looks like he's flying at a million miles an hour, but slightly out of control. He makes big plays from time to time, but he gets jacked up a lot too. Does that on balance make for a solid running game? I dunno.

Posted by: A Goat | November 12, 2006 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"btw dallas fans, like we said before we don't care what we do rest of the year as long as we see JC get in there and we beat your cows!!!! one of the two has come true..."

Don't you realize how pathetic that is? You can't get up for a game unless it's Dallas. How's that working out for you?

Posted by: SMACK | November 12, 2006 11:58 PM | Report abuse


George Michael: "84 yard Touchdown pass to Stallworth -- the type of play the Eagles are known for and that the Redskins refuse to do."

And later:

"McNabb drops back, orders lunch, eats it, and throws to...."

One can only hope that GM doesn't forget he can actually be CRITICAL of the Skins before getting all "aw gee shucks" with Gibbs later in the week.

Football? Dead to me!
Skins are not competitive:
No fire and no plan.

Posted by: HaikuMan | November 13, 2006 12:01 AM | Report abuse


Skins demise no dream
So I turn to fantasy:
Cindy, are you there?

(For fantasy football advice, you gutterheads! Yeah...yeah, that's it...)

Posted by: HaikuMan | November 13, 2006 12:05 AM | Report abuse


Anybody who has been to a game and seen the entire field when the skins are on offense has seen lloyd and others wide open. Brunell just doesn't see the field and can't make the throws.
On top of that he seems to be hurt. If you see the guy move around he looks like he's 50 years old.

Posted by: kovachs | November 13, 2006 12:12 AM | Report abuse

TBoswl in his article, referencing our "Well Healed Heros", said "a well known player was singing in the shower" after the game.

JLC...We NEED TO KNOW who that was!!!...Can you pass it on??

To paraphrase what T Vince noted earlier, too many players in that locker room don't give at rat's patootie about this team or these coaches who have stood behind them for too long. It makes me sick.

Posted by: 3KfromIntelLifenBigD | November 13, 2006 12:48 AM | Report abuse

We're tired of apologies, Joe. We want results. We want to see you building for the future since this season is gone. We want to see Jason Campbell get his licks in. We want to see personnell changes everywhere to see who can make the plays.

Our team is a joke, yet nothing is improving. The coaching staff looks incompetent and overpaid.

Show us something or make Dan give us our money back.

I've had it with Redskins merchandise, tickets, all of it. Show me something, or my money and attention we'll be gone.

Posted by: Dave | November 13, 2006 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Tell that genuis defensive coordinator of the Skins to stop calling my defense. They get burned over and over and over again. It's embarrassing. I work for teams like the Bucs and Bears because they have a great front 4. Face it the Skins don't. They are ruining my reputation.

Posted by: Cover 2 | November 13, 2006 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Please no more screens. The screen doors are closed on the Skins. Just stop.

Posted by: Screens | November 13, 2006 1:21 AM | Report abuse

When will we be mathmatically eliminated so that Campbell can get in? We should start looking at those scenarios since the scenarios to get into the playoffs are pretty much dead.

I hate losing our guts out.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and enough with the white on white. It's time for a change.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 13, 2006 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Ugh. What a wretched game to watch.

I'm with 20003 100% as far as bringing in Campbell. It seemed like in preseason, Campbell dropped back a lot quicker than Brunell. I would be willing to bet that while it looks like Brunell isn't getting a lot of time in the pocket, he actually just takes too long getting set up. I just don't see how the O-line can deteriorate so much so quickly (which doesn't imply that they're playing well - just not as bad as they look). If the line gives the quarterback a solid 3-count to get rid of the ball, Brunell may only be getting 2 of those three counts, where Campbell could be getting 2.5. And half a second can make a world of difference.

I was in the "wait until we're officially eliminated from the playoffs" camp, but I don't think there's any way this team can win 5 of their last 7 (bare minimum to get in). And even if they do by some miracle, does this team really have any shot at competing with NY, Chicago, New Orleans, Seattle (the list goes on and on)?

As for A Goat's question about Portis - I think Portis has been the victim (like everyone on this team) of too much change. When he came in, he was too small for Gibbs' offense (too fast, actually - he could never get a full head of steam hitting a hole because he would outrun his blockers). Last year he added some weight and some patience, which helped a lot, and he had a much better year. Now, he's had to learn another system and probably isn't as versatile as Saunders would like (see Faulk, Marshall). His injury problems are probably a bigger factor, now that I think about it, but I think this is still true to an extent.

Any particular reason the cornerbacks routinely line up 10 yards away from the line of scrimmage? Doesn't jamming receivers make it harder to throw hot routes, which helps make the blitz effective?

There are so many problems with this team, it's ridiculous. Let's give the keys to the kid (if I can still call him that) and let him learn from his inevitable mistakes while it doesn't matter if he makes them.

Posted by: Joe in Richmond | November 13, 2006 3:09 AM | Report abuse

So at the beginning of the season I was worried since I live out here in Cali I might not be able to watch the Redskins Super-Bowl run, as I am unable to get DirecTV at my place due to unfortunate geography and satellite positioning (I face the north is what I am trying to say)

From what little I have actually seen and from what I heard, I can say this has been by far the most disapointing season I can ever remember being a Redskins fan. Sure going 9-7 after starting 7-1 back in '97 hurt. Sure signing all those top players in 2000 and watching the Skins flop and Norv Turner get fired, hurt (well I enjoyed the Norv-firing part).

But that does not even compare to this season. All the places were in place. Right? We had the best coaching staff, upgraded receivers to compliment Portis and Moss. And if Brunell stayed healthy the offense was supposed to click under that 7000 page playbook (or is it 700 pages I forget, so far ALL of the plays have been forgetable) The D was no problem, it was our offense that needed work.

Well we are 3-6, the offense needs work, the defense needs work, and out of that 700 page playbook apparently the plays designed to score touchdowns are missing either cause the copier ran out of ink, or (what I really think) we simply can not execute.

So I guess I am not missing much this season. I have seen it before. Giving up big plays and not producing them, lack of winning spirit by the players, and being out of the playoff picture by mid-November. We have been down this road before with Norval, Schotty and the old ball coach. But I thought with Joe Gibbs we would have made that 2nd right back at the Gas Station and been on the road to the Super Bowl.

I still have faith in Gibbs. Unlike those other coaches we have had, Gibbs actually has won championships. As I read earlier, if Gibbs can't fix this team, than no one can, right??

Posted by: Tonyskinsfan | November 13, 2006 4:46 AM | Report abuse

JLC

Why won't anyone ask Joe some real questions as to why he will not play JC? Why does he put TJ in the game and the frist time he touches the ball he kicks out 12 yards, so let's not given him the ball anymore? Could it be draft status based on number of snaps played in this trade?

Joe Gibbs... Please play Jason Campbell and HIRE A REAL GM. You have a overpaid underachieving team that causes me to refinance my mortgage ever year to pay for these season tickets.

What a waste this once proud organization has become. What would Jack Kent Cooke think my dear boy, Joe??????

Posted by: 229 | November 13, 2006 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Good morning all. I just want Coach Joe to say today that Campbell will start on Sunday. JLC you just have to go hard and ask him the tough question. What's the point of keeping Brunell in at this point? I don't want to hear about feeling bad for the fans. We fought our guts out. Brunell showed me a lot. Just that there will be a change. Is that too much to ask for?

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 7:48 AM | Report abuse

You could always write about the Skins offense, on the road, against division rivals. They have produced only 3 points, on offense, in those 3 games. In Dallas it was a kick return that got them 7 of the 10. 3 against the Giants and 3 against the Eagles. This is against their own division. This might be the worst team to ever take the field in Washington. Yet the QB is going to keep playing. Duckett, even with Portis out, gets 2 carries. This is just mad at this point. At least we beat the Cowgirls. Anyone missing Marty right about now? Martyball looks way better than this.

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | November 13, 2006 7:53 AM | Report abuse

If the head coach were anyone other than Saint Joe, we'd be calling for his head for this mess. Team /looks/ awful -- no fire, no flying around the field, no hard hits (except out of bounds, Sean.) -- and has the terrible performance to match.

In the modern NFL 3 years is supposedly a good amount of time to determine whether or not a coach is making progress. At this point... ugh. I love and respect what Joe did for the team in the 80s, but he hasn't shown any ability to put it together outside of that 5 game streak last year.

Posted by: se | November 13, 2006 8:02 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins aren't even worth my time @ work to be blogging about. I'll be back when they put Campbell in.....

Hail!

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 13, 2006 8:22 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone missing Marty right about now? Martyball looks way better than this."

Fun and Gun anyone?

Yeah nothing is more depressing then watching a team score 3 points per division road game.

This offence is going now where.

Posted by: dc | November 13, 2006 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I'd have to agree with a particular comment here- I actually preferred seeing Spurrier's crazy WR patterns to this. A 700 page playbook, but we're stuck in dump passes to Betts. While all our crazy talented WR's run around wide open getting no balls. I like Brunell, he's a good guy. But he's done, finished, kaput. Joe Gibbs needs to stop making this a personal cronyism type organization and remember that we're paying him to WIN. JOE, WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HURT MARK'S FEELINGS. WE WANT TO WIN!!!! PUT THE KID IN!!!!

Posted by: T | November 13, 2006 8:29 AM | Report abuse

My head hurts... there's not enough Ibuprofen in the world.

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2006 8:46 AM | Report abuse

how many butt wooooooopings is that? you knucklehead fans cant even say your losses were by 7 or less! I hope gibbs caves to pressure and puts JC in to early.he clearly isnt ready(#3 QB).Your D totally sucks and getting Vincent didnt do SH**! Taylor is now proving he cant cover Snyders GRANDMOTHER!! Snyder isnt going to make him highest paid deadskin(learned his lesson with lavar)to keep him!! say bye bye to Taylor!HAIL TO THE DEADSKINS!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 13, 2006 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure that there will be any long term changes until it starts to hurt Danny in the wallet. Alas, long suffering Skins fans are loyal and it will take a few more years of empty hopes before they will rebel. For those who want change, how about starting with a real GM who can evaluate talent and not let talent like Antonio and Ryan leave town? This team somewhat resembles the Yankees - an overpaid bunch, some with individual achievements, but lacking any chemistry and a farm system (draft choices). Let's let Danny and Vinnie find a new toy to meddle with during football season.

As for Joe - unfortunately, Joe is loyal to a fault towards his veterans. How many remember that the last time he left town he left a group of over-the-hill veterans? Faith in rookies and youngsters in general is a difficult pill for Joe to swallow. Is Mark's inability to "stretch the field" a factor of arm strength or time to throw?

Howie Long's rant on everyone, coaches and players, should be on a 1 year contract has merit. One article alluded to the country club locker room attitude of the Redskins. It sure does not sound like this group of multi-millionaires are leaving it all on the field.

Posted by: constantleedizzy | November 13, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

At least if the put the young gun in at quarterback, I'd be interested in watch the rest of the season's games. Otherwise, why waste my time watching Brunell thow into the turf.

Posted by: Porcupine | November 13, 2006 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I will say this about this dude that ambushed Brunell in the locker room...

A journalist's job is not to "ask the tough questions". No, a journalist's job is to find and report the truth. Period. Some are confrontational in doing so, others go about it more subtly by cultivating sources and gaining trust within the organization that they cover. I've met both kids and, believe me, I'm willing to give unfettered access to the latter, never the former.

I think anyone who reads the WashPo can point to at least the past three Sunday's worth of feature articles as examples of how Howard and Jason seek out the truth and print it.

All of that said, while I feel sorry for Mark and how he was treated by this reporter in the locker room, I do believe that it's time for a switch at QB. I await St. Joe's press conference with complete ambivalence, knowing full well that this season is over and I have better things to do than watch on Sundays.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 13, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Jason, you are absolutely right about this team. It's the same thing week in and week out: bad QB play, awful defense, penalties, and the same tired quotes from Gibbs.

After the Indy game Gibbs talked about big changes, but there were none. He will say the same thing this week about taking a look at everything, but nothing will change or improve. It's sad, really.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 9:25 AM | Report abuse

In the Dallas game, the Redskins had Brunell hand off three straight times to set up a 49-yard kick by a totally untested kicker. Against Philly, on third-and-long plays the Redskins are calling draws. If you aren't willing to put your experienced, smart QB in position to make some throws to win games, you might as well put in the Kid.

At this point, Brunell is being play-called as if he were a rookie (screens, draw plays, swing passes) so why not play the (basically) rookie? I mean, what else do they have to lose?

Posted by: G Money | November 13, 2006 9:29 AM | Report abuse

How about the clock mis-management? Gibbs screwed that up at the end of the 1st half again. At least 3 times this season, the Skins have had the ball at the end of the half and have looked disorganized and used their timeouts poorly.

Jason, this is not rocket science. Any 10-year-old with a Playstation knows how to manage the clock at the end of a half, when to use timeouts, and when to kill the clock and go to the locker room. How come this keeps getting screwed up??

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Yep, I've backed Gibbs all season long in keeping Brunell as his starter, but it's time to put Campbell in. The Bush-Rummy analogy hopefully will be a legitimate one. Gibbs is going to stick by his man until he decides to make a change. Assuming they have a presser this afternoon, I'd suspect that'd be the more likely time to announce a new starting QB.

But yesterday's whooping putting everything in a much clearer perspective. The Redskins simply are not a good football team (in case any doubts remained). Even if the Redskins continue to entertain hopes of making the playoffs this year - and hey, why not wish for the best? - there is no question they'll need some new blood to bring that team some much needed spark.

If the Skins were better at holding on to draft picks then more eager, hungry young football players would be available to possibly provide that spark. But they don't, so really it's up to Campbell and McIntosh. But both should start.

Posted by: now it's time to change | November 13, 2006 9:37 AM | Report abuse

G Money,

You know what scares me about playing Campbell? Exactly what you just said. If Gibbs won't let his super smart, courageous, QB throw down the field... if he won't let him throw a 12 yard pass on 3rd and 9 instead of a 2 yard screen, do you really think he'll let the kid? I certainly don't.

Gibbs will try to "protect" him because he's young... and guess what that means? The same pathetic offense.

I seriously can't believe how conservative Gibbs has been over the last 3 years... and it appears to be getting worse.

I want Campbell just as much as the next guy, but try to imagine the play calling with him if you don't even let your trusted, super smart, veteran QB try anything downfield... makes me sick to my stomach.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I hope no one else had to deal with phone calls from Philly fans for the last 16 hours. I actually am fairly sure that if I went to a shrink I'd be diagnosed as depressed. Is there a point in complaining? No. I'd love to evaluate the young QB's in the league over the last years, to see how much development is needed until (if) successful season. I wish I could be funny. But I just feel funny. Like I had too much oatmeal and someone put tapeworms in it. That's not a complaint. Just a fact.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 13, 2006 9:48 AM | Report abuse

This was supposed to be the year. Why? Because we are old, we gave away all of our picks for the current crop of non producing FA's to get over the top and we are about to have MASSIVE cap issues. If this was the blow your load year, someone creamed their jeans prematurely.

This has to be completely blown up, I think we would be fortunate to compete again in 5 yrs or so, after we are actually are able to use our picks again and not be cap strapped, but by that time Cambell will be flourishing on another team because former HoF'er Gibbs pissed him off by not playing him for 3 yrs.

Need real GM, use the draft and pay market value for players(and coaches). These are things Snyder neither understands nor has the patience for. So Snyder needs to go, but clearly that won't happen so I will. Until he releases the team from his curse they will not win, cannot win.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 13, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Steve Sczaban for President.

Can the reporters sitting there in the Joe Gibbs press conferences please ask the tough questions. The obvious questions that we want answers too. I wish Steve Sczaban was there.

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Rob,

I agree. Czabe's question was not only priceless, but very much needed. He also grilled Grilliams about Archuleta last week.

But let's be realistic here... even if reporters were to ask Czabe-like questions, do you think they'd get an honest answer? Especially from the space cowboy himself, Joe Gibbs?

Gibbs avoids questions and babies these players to a point where you want to walk out in front of traffic if he dodges another serious issue brushed under the rug.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 10:00 AM | Report abuse

hey, how about some real analysis of the skins if you need help to find a subject. Sean taylor get two personal fouls caus he knows there is no one behind his butt, and he would have to sit the pine! Brunell feels no pressure to throw for more than 4 yards cause he knows the coach wont pull him or question his play. My frustration is this team appears to quit at halftime. with the game 17 to 3, or even 20 to 3 they had no energy or enthusiasm to score. Even the Marty year, with less talent and more conservative play calling, they were more competitive.

Posted by: robgreg | November 13, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

RickyBobby,

I know we wouldnt get answers for them but at least they would be asked. Brunell's pause and "I can't believe you just asked me that" was priceless.

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 10:07 AM | Report abuse

How's that working out for you?

SMACK, baby not as well as going 5-11 for three straight years and unfortunately we did make the playoffs last year and won a game. but hey! we're trying.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for the press conference this afternoon.

The over/under on the following phrases is set at 9.5:

"We're all in this together"
"It's all of us starting with me"
"We really fought our guts out"
"I feel bad for Dan and Vinny"... what?
and the classic... "we have the best fans in the world"

Any takers on the line?

Oh, and I know we made fun of Gibby for apologizing for not stopping the bus... but today I seriously want and need an apology. Everyone and their mother called me yesterday to make fun of me. Every last person at work, even the old, ancient grandma who counts money in Accounting, has been by to make fun of me already this morning. I/we have had to endure this harrassment for 14 of the last 16 years and I'm sick of it.

So Gibby, yes, I honestly hope you apologize to me/us today. This organization has become the laughing stock of the entire league. Everything, from our play to the circus like atmosphere with TomKat to our ridiculous money grubbing owner, is a joke.

And you're right, it all starts with YOU!

I can't believe I'm ripping into a hero of mine like I am, but he has the control here. That money grubbing nazi who owns our team worships him. So really, Gibbs does what he pleases. Brings in who he wants. Says how much we should pay everyone. And Snyder listens to his boyhood idol.

So what are you going to do about it, Joe?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I finally figured it out....Gibbs is the first coach to employ the Arctic Coast offense. This scheme involves barely perceptible movement of the ball--glacial if you will--that eventually lures a defense into a state of total confidence, which then allows the offense to completey cover the field, thereby entrapping and immobilizing the defense. Unfortunately, the scheme only works in games that are 150,000 years long.

At this point, the Skins would have an uphill fight to get a BCS bowl bid much less anything with Super in the name. The coaching on this team sucks. The players look anemic and upper management is oxymoronic--not to mention plain moronic.

If Campbell hasn't been installed as the starter by Nov. 26, every voice at FedUp Field should be calling for him on that day. Is he the salvation of this season? No way. But at least we get a chance to see if the future looks even marginally better. Something to keep us occupied until the ice sheet moves back in.

Posted by: RedeployNow | November 13, 2006 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I just don't understand why Coach Joe doesn't see what everybody else sees - problems that need to be addressed everywhere. He's an intelligent businessman with a proven track record of managing and motivating people -- on the field and on the track. His strengths lie in his ability to surround himself with smart and talented people and to get the most out of those people.

Right now, he is neither managing his smart (and overpaid) people, nor is he getting the most out of them. I don't think the problem is as simple as 'he is too loyal to Brunell' -- that's just a symptom. There's more to it than that. I just hope he figures it out . . . SOON!

I am so sad in DC.

Posted by: Dana C. | November 13, 2006 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe the offense was compared to the Ice Age. That's awesome.

Megskin - can you get us some satellite imaging from work. I'm curious if the ball actually moved yesterday. I might have moved more on 270N friday at 5:08.

CP...this is borderline implosive...people are going to want to stop coming here, and then they are REALLY going to start over paying. Maybe Angelos will buy the team next.

PG

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 13, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Instead of being honest with us or himself, he said how there are a "bunch of things wrong" but never elaborated...

if he were smarte(r) he would've followed up on Kelli's question. AGAIN that was not a "tough" question it was a STUPID question.

tough question revolve around the game that's just been played. he should've asked "why aren't the receivers getting the ball deep from you?", "who's the qb of this team? you or Antwan?????" "on lot of plays the pocket seemed to be there but instead you chose to run towards the sideline, towards the pressure, instead of stepping forward where you have a vision of the whole field?"

honestly, i feel like crap. not about this season (i'm over that after the dallas game). but about next year. we have no coach, no president, no nothing, worth anything. we can't even say skins will learn and build thru draft. they don't have any draft picks! WHAT A MESS!

and another interesting note that i hadn't heard from anyone before...Rick "doc" walker said something like skins have an LT like player in Portis but they're using him as a fullback. THAT FACT had never dawned on me before. good for L. Coles, he had the good sense to get the heck out of here. and if i'm portis i'd bail on this disfunctional org. as well. and maybe have a shot at the HOF one day.

i'm just frustrated. at gibbs, at snyder(for surrounding himself with mediocre talent for 8 years).

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Life sucks.

What was Czabe's question to M-Bru?

Posted by: CMoney | November 13, 2006 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Guys, what was the "tough" question Czaban posed to Brunell? What was Brunell's response?

I think our whole defense stinks righht now b/c nobody (incl Springs) can cover the opposing WR's man-to-man. We need to play more cover-2, but don't have the pass rushers to do so. We need to draft d-linemen soon.

Posted by: reality check | November 13, 2006 10:36 AM | Report abuse

dealer, if you think anyone on this blog buys your RETARDED excuse that your ok because they beat cowboys(no one in sports world including your own writers gave deadskins credit for win)only a SORE LOSER FAN would point to that and say "look what we did"!! You are right about your team being a mess.It will take years to fix..Enjoy being the old Cardinals of the east!!!!!!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 13, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

CMoney,

Along the lines of, 'if the Redskins become mathematically eliminated from the play-offs, will you consider stepping down and allowing the kid to play the rest of this season'.

Posted by: Dana C. | November 13, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Do you see yourself as the QB of this team next year?

If the Redskins become mathematically eliminated from the play-offs, will you consider going to Coach Gibbs and volunteering to step down and allowing the kid to play the rest of this season?

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

if I dont come back in a week from my broken hand like T.O. did in dallas will that make me a SISSY.

Posted by: Portis | November 13, 2006 10:44 AM | Report abuse

No Portis, unlike T.O. and the Cowboys, we have no shot at the playoffs. Take the rest of the season off and get yourself healed up for next year.

Posted by: Rob | November 13, 2006 10:46 AM | Report abuse

1) I cannot even read articles about the Redskins right now. I am sickened from being lied to. Just don't lie to me.

2) Apoligies in advance for the anger I'm about to spew...Haven't we been through this czabe business already? The dude is a chooch. He is not some champion of the people searching for truth and justice, he's a fan with a microphone who is encouraged to be controversial to keep ratings. How would you have Gibbs answer these tough questions? Do you really want Parcells style responses?

Where he has no problem running guys under the bus, grandstanding for his own ego? Do you want those out-of-coaching type responses where jackasses like Jim Mora shoot their mouoths off about how bad the team is?

We all know the answers. We are avid fans. We know what is going on and we shouldn't need to hear Gibbs say: 'sure, brunnell sucks' to know its true. That is not how leaders role. You don't sell out your players because the guys that do have 0 integrity. Would it really help if Gibbs told you: 'yup, we're bad, we're going to pack it in'? Infuriating to me that we all cannot see this.

3) our defense is so outstandingly bad. I'm watching the game at bar. An old man is there with his wife eating; barely paying attention to the game. The dude is old. Like older than sand. It was 3rd and 15. I mumble: 'Come on, 3rd and 15...let's go'. Without looking up the old man goes: 'Sorry to tell ya', they're gonna get it... 18 yards right in front of Rogers' (it was the TD play). I just stared at him in disbelief.

The number of receptions in front of our corners to pick up 1st downs is shocking. The seldom seen: 'run 6 yards and stop' route from the deep reaches of football playdom must be the hardest route to defend in the world.

I'm done for now. I hate the NFL.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 13, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Man I really don't feel like posting today. We all have said it over and over since week 1.

Dealer you need to get at me bra.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Suck: Remeber when you went to the playoffs last and got beat by the Cardinals? good times. I do, and I will never forget it. You shouldn't either. Not ever.
Please go overdose on booger-sugar with your owner and lay in traffic. Make sure you can do it in your stadium with the hole in the roof so God can watch that shizzle.
Every person like you in the world is bad you front-running plumber.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | November 13, 2006 10:55 AM | Report abuse

dealer, if you think anyone on this blog buys your RETARDED...

aweeeeeeeeeeee! thanks! any pub is a good pub.

now back to binness. i'm sorry that it hurts your feelings that you lost on a "fluky" play to the skins. i'm sorry that your team has a worse owner than snyder. i'm sorry that your team won't even get to sniff the nfc east, just like the skins, or even come close to making the playoffs, i'm sorry that your team has no coach, i'm sorry that your team has no running back, i'm sorry that your team has no safety, i'm sorry that your team has no corner, i'm sorry that your NUMBER ONE receiver tried to kill himself, i'm truely sorry that you're more deluded than me. i guess like owners like fans. your owner was deluded enough to ruin a superbowl team by firing a coach. NOW, all you have is a retread QB to hang your hats on after 15 years. Good luck! you need it more than us!

actually i'm not sorry for any of it. you deserve it!

ohh and congrats on beating the cards! wow! what an exclamation victory! cowgirls, can you spell SUPERBOWL!!!! and ohh 1-3 in the division! JUST LIKE MY LOWLY SKINS!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 10:57 AM | Report abuse

OK,OK
*sigh* I'm so depressed. I think I'll take a blue pill, chase it with bourboun, and go veg in bed until the sun comes out today.

The sun IS supposed to come out today, right?

Everyone needs a hug today *hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | November 13, 2006 11:10 AM | Report abuse

At least Duckett looked good.

Posted by: Dana C. | November 13, 2006 11:12 AM | Report abuse

jm, hold on...i got something to deal with.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 11:22 AM | Report abuse

well, while we are going over what needs to be fixed, wholly sh*t, nick novak sucks. please somebody get us a new kicker. please. now.

Posted by: vinny ceratto | November 13, 2006 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and if Gibbs DOES in fact make a QB change today... but it's Collins, not Campbell... it will be hard for me to respect him anymore.

I lost a little for Gibby after the way he handled Ramsey last year.

But if he turns his back on the original plan to start JC if he had a week to prepare, I'm done with believing anything that man has to say.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Novak blows... I loved how Aikman and crew pointed out that since we cut Akers years ago, we have had 30,003 kickers to Philly's 1, Akers.

As far as Vinny goes, I hope that bug-eyed freak gets a clue. "Don't worry, we have a plan", right Vinny????? WRONG. You suck and should be serving french fries along side high school drop outs.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 13, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

The Cardinals would destroy the pitiful shambles you call a football team. And I'm not just being an ass, I actually believe that!

Posted by: SMACK | November 13, 2006 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Ummmm... Novak is not the problem. He's the only one who scored yesterday. Look elsewhere.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 13, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

dealer, the only point you made is that your team sucks! It feels good to have #4 D in the NFL.(how does it feel to be #30)It feels good to have QB of future.(you have none)It feels good to be in playoff race(your in toilet bowl).dont be whiney sore loser.Its IMPOSSIBLE for a skiny fan to hurt a boy fans feelings(we are enjoying your misery)we luv when you make a fool of yourself on this blog.WAWAWA

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 13, 2006 11:35 AM | Report abuse

RB, i lost a little after he got brunell, then a bit more when he traded champ (giving up a 3rd rounder, straight up would've been fine with me), then the way coles was treated, then when he let go of pierce, then the whole handling of lavar situmation, then when he got al saunders and now the BenchMark situation.

i don't know what love i have left for him.

sadly this organization is in worse shape now than it was any other years with snyder. cuz before we knew that any coach was fireable after 3 seasons of bad play and decision making in personell. but he has 2 more years left on his contract. we have to suffer 2 more years of this.

and all you season ticket holder...why don't you guys boycot the team? sell your tickets on ebay to the opposing team. think of it this way. there'll be less of you to boo the team @ home.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

whose being a sore loser? me? are you an iggles fan now? cuz i know we didn't lose to no girls team! did your team beat the skins 2-0? or is your team's division record better than skins? WHAT dellusional HOPE do you have this season??????? you have a QB???? since WHEN?????? i don't know what's worse getting gibbs without a GM or bill parcells without billychoke. your coach is NOTHING without billychoke and you know it. or you should know it but since you're america's team fan you probly don't know better.

yeah, this just in...a team with a better D in stats than the skins D will make the playoffs. (hmmmmmmmm, let's see that puts the girls right in the midst of it AMONG 29 OTHER TEAMS!)

now, go away! i don't need any guilty pleasures today. don't you have to go plan a playoff party somewhere. you just beat the CARDINALS! wooohooo!

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Smack your team lost last week to us. So what does that make your team? You and Boofer are clowns to always be on our blog. Then not to show your faces when you team loses. Then come out when your team win. You guys are straight up BAMAS!!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2006 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I have lost that lovin feeling. I held onto the notion that Gibbs could turn this Titanic around. But, he continues to steer it into more icebergs. Gibbs the GM/Pres. is done. That experiment clearly is a f n disaster. At least he can still coach right? Not right. The team appears to be uninspired. He is not accountable. This has quickly become an untenable situation. This is the oldest, and one of the, if not the number one inept franchise in the NFL. How can you not admire New Orleans, NY Jets, or St. Louis? Three rookie head coaches, all well under the age of Social Security, coaching up their less comensated players to a brand of football anyone could enjoy. Sean Payton, Eric Mangini, and Scott Linehan inspire their teams. No other way to explain how they have better records with less talent and payroll. Yes, they all have GMs. And they have draftpicks and caproom to boot. This organization has lost me. The calvalcade of errors, omissions, and ignorance are too much to stomach. This is not the Redskins team I grew up loving. I am done. I will not root for them again until, at the very least, Cerrato is gone. If they hire a credible GM, it will in my mind, signify they are admitting failure. If Gibbs has to go in the process, then so be it. Change is hard, but necessary. Good Luck, God Bless, and Good Day.

Posted by: Kevin K | November 13, 2006 11:49 AM | Report abuse

The Cardinals would destroy the pitiful shambles you call a football team

SMACK, why? because they're better than the cowboys? cuz sure as hell the cowboys didn't DESTROY nothing when they came to fedex.

Posted by: dealer | November 13, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you 4th Floor. Until something changes (ie., JC at QB) this team does not merit attention. Can only read so many posts about the same tired old items week after week with little to no sign of progress.

Posted by: skinswest | November 13, 2006 12:00 PM | Report abuse

dealer, once again you make an IDIOT of yourself.anyone who knows anything about football knows you throw everything out the window when division rivals play(1-15 boys only win against playoff skins)boys beat you twice this year on field but once on scoreboard!!now we look forward to playoff run, you sit and whine with jm220 and make us laugh at both of you!!!!!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 13, 2006 12:24 PM | Report abuse

dealer, dont be that whiney sore loser who goes out and gets in fights!! its just football your team is not a reflection of you(or is it?)that would explain your inability to understand football!

Posted by: Redskins Suck | November 13, 2006 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Come on now, I didn't run and hide.

>

Because they aren't retarded and are going with the kid at quarterback...is why they'd smoke your awful team.

Posted by: SMACK | November 13, 2006 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Well, another day of sad misery bestowed upon us fans who bleed burgundy and gold (I actually bought a Jeep in the late 80's that was burgundy with gold pin-striping), subjected to yet another example of how not to play the game of football. I have said it before in different posts and am going to say it again right here and now. Brunnell is not the sole reason the Skins find themselves in the basement. What I see every week is all three facets of the game in dire need of better play, though special teams has not been as bad as the offense and defense. Yesterday's game was a good example of how poorly the defense has played. The Skins had I think a two-to-one advantage on time of possession and the defense still looked spent and out of kilter - no pass rush, weak run defense, failure to cover, etc. And, no, the offense didn't fare any better. The win the time of possession battle but can't put points on the board. I actually knew they were in trouble when Novak missed his first field goal attempt (granted the wind was swirling but this kid is not an quality NFL kicker). The offensive line isn't opening enough holes (most of the yardage gained by the big backs was them hitting the line and refusing to go down), but more importantly, not keeping the defensive pressure to a minimum or nonexistent. The quarterback isn't being given ample time to let plays develope or find open receivers. But those are two problems that may not be as bad as the first seem. Football has gotten faster over the years and I think that is why Brunnell will never again flourish as a top NFL passer. He no longer has the speed to move around the pocket and find open receivers. And, again, here is another problem that may not be as it appears. Back in the day a receiver was "open" when he had a good step or two on the defender. Today that is the definition of wide open. Today a receiver is open when he has either a half step on the defender or the QB can lead the receiver to the ball. The speed factor alone is reason enough to put Campbell in the game - he is young, fast, but more importantly hungry. And this one word may also be whats hindering the Skins organization...they just don't seem hungry. I hear the excuses week after week but then watch teams with lesser payrolls outplaying the Skins. Maybe Dannyboy needs to pay the players less, make more contracts incentive based instead of following the NBA and throwing guaranteed money out there. Thats what happened to boxing - once they took away the winner-take-all aspect of the sport it went down hill (does Buster Douglas ring any bells?). Anyway, I've rambled quite enough - and could continue. For now I will continue to anxiously await some meaningful changes within the organization...but won't hold my breath for fear of dying to a lack of oxygen.

Posted by: dmr0834 | November 13, 2006 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and one last thought, well not really my last and only thought but one I will leave here for all to ponder...

Has the venerable Coach Joe Gibbs become too soft? I see him on the sidelines and can hardly detect any level of emotion - anger, disappointment, frustration, etc. I do remember the Coach Joe Gibbs in a previous life and the stories/rumors that came from the locker room - the screaming, yelling, throwing of chairs, etc. Steve Spurrier had the laid back the players are big boys and know what needs to be done attitude and I fear Coach Gibbs has that same philosophy. The truth is these guys need to be poked and prodded. For the most part they are overpaid immature adults who are used to pretty much getting thier way. When Marty came to town he started putting his foot down and it almost caused a mutiny so he relented and backed off a bit. The team proceeded to go into the sh*t*er. The team began winning when Schottenheimer got tough on them, when he was able to get the team to be disciplined, when he got them to play MartyBall. Maybe Coach Gibbs and his staff need to quit babying the players, get tough with them, demand performance - tackling, blocking, covering, and EVERYONE ON DEFENSE CONVERGING ON THE BALL!!!!!

Posted by: dmr0834 | November 13, 2006 4:53 PM | Report abuse

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