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Predict Monday's result

By Cindy Boren  |  December 18, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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First to say Florio hates the Redskins...

...Luckily what he says doesn't matter in the Real NFL.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 18, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Out of all of them, Johnson is the hardest thing to get.

MistaMoe

I thought Malcolm Kelly is the second coming of A Johnson?

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Also...I 'booked' Shanny coming and Sherm Lewis coming in this year only as part of the plan. And that his son would be OC....

...I just thought Vinny would still be here...

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

It sounds like Doug Williams and Morocco Brown have the same job. Do you make the change, or stay with what we've got. Or perhaps move one of them to another position?

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse
I've just been pondering that same question. Morocco came from Chicago with very high credentials, and seems to have done a great job behind the scene. ANd he should be more familiar with strengths and weaknesses of current roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

KingJoffeJoffer my apologies you're correct on the AFC West thing. Sorry I got thrown off by the four 10+ winning seasons, and the 4 playoff appearances. Maybe it's the three consecutive years making it into the playoffs since Elway left that did it. My point is to say that Shanahan was successful only because he coached Elway is not a true statement.

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse


TWISI. You are 100% correct, IMO.

I know alot of folks like to make the point that "Shanny only won b/c he had Elway".

Well, guess what?

Elway only won when he had Shanny!

And let's not forget that those Denver teams that won the Superbowl were being carried PRIMARILY by Terrell Davis and the running game - that's right.

While Elway was still playing at a high level and was the undisputed leader on the team, the reality is that the run game was the main feature of that offense - a run game that Shanny and Alex Gibbs designed and installed.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Out of all of them, Johnson is the hardest thing to get.

MistaMoe

I thought Malcolm Kelly is the second coming of A Johnson?

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse
I don't think MK has AJohnson's speed, but I do like the way MK uses his hands to pluck the ball out of the air. He looks like he will catch most everything he can get his hands on. Just hope he's able to get open consistently, and his knee holds up.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I thought Malcolm Kelly is the second coming of A Johnson?

Posted by: TWISI | December 18, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly is like Andre Johnson, expect for all the catches, TDs, big plays and consistency...

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is here so is Portis.

Posted by: bangkokben | December 18, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think Jaws would make a good offensive coordinator?

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm tempted to feel bad for JC17.

He's probably not going to be with the team next year, and even if he is he's gonna be working in a brand new offense - again.

But then I realize that no matter what his situation is, he's going to be making millions of dollars for playing a game...then suddenly I don't feel bad for him at all.

Posted by: p1funk | December 18, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

If he goes somewhere else he'll be learning a new offense there too. I don't "feel sorry" for any of these guys who make a ridiculous living playing a kids game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Anyone think Jaws would make a good offensive coordinator?

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:16 AM

No

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 18, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I don't "feel sorry" for any of these guys who make a ridiculous living playing a kids game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 10:17 AM |

Really? Not the ones who can't move their arms or legs? The ones with early-age dementia?

They're not playing a kids game.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for all your inputs on CP. Maybe it's the accountant in me, but I still feel if I have to pay him anyway, he can be a plus on the 53-man roster. He doesn't have his old breakaway speed. He has bulked up for the BEAST defensives he faces. But this bulk makes him an outstanding blocker on blitz pickups. And if he gets into a crack, he can still get 8-15 yards. I do agree that we need to add a strong draft pick for the backfield. But I would tend to keep CP at least one more year.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I think Jaws would make a good QB coach.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's the accountant in me, but I still feel if I have to pay him anyway, he can be a plus on the 53-man roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:22 AM |

How can anyone have a view on CP today? We don't know how he'll bounce back from his concussion, if at all, or how much drive and determination he'll bring to next year.

The man is a baller and a competitor and if he wants to prove it on the field next year (and in hard work during the off season) then he can help our team. If he's satisfied with what he's done already, then he's useless to anyone. And we can't possibly know that today.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"Anyone think Jaws would make a good offensive coordinator?"


No.

He's a football critic.

His game is finding out what the other guy is doing wrong and why.

Letting him be an offensive coordinator would be like letting Simon Cowell sing pop music for a living.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I feel kind of crappy for Zorn. I know that he knows he's on his way out but having a new coach practically in place while the season is still going on is BS. Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Letting him be an offensive coordinator would be like letting Simon Cowell sing pop music for a living.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2009 10:28 AM

Or letting Paula Abdul be a judge on American Idol.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If Shanahan is Team President, what exactly will Bruce Allen's role be? Seems to me this would largely undercut his authority...I mean who does that to their team leaders...oh nevermind

RUSSELL OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I feel kind of crappy for Zorn. I know that he knows he's on his way out but having a new coach practically in place while the season is still going on is BS. Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

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I agree, but you know that he has to have some satisfaction that he is still here while Vinny was shown the door, which he probably never thought would happen.

Posted by: suzannepdc | December 18, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I feel kind of crappy for Zorn. I know that he knows he's on his way out but having a new coach practically in place while the season is still going on is BS. Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod


Lmao.

When has Zorn finished anything except finished f__king up a game with his playcalling?

I understand feeling a little bad for the guy, but he can't coach and something tells me these players don't play for him.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The man is a baller and a competitor and if he wants to prove it on the field next year (and in hard work during the off season) then he can help our team. If he's satisfied with what he's done already, then he's useless to anyone. And we can't possibly know that today.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

That's correct, LS. I'm making the assumption that his vision issues will clear up. If they do, he is too much of a competitor to walk away from football.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"Predict Monday's result: Which team will win Monday night and by how much?"


(INSERT image of Moe standing before an above shot over FEDEX Field.)

We see a chance of a major beatdown.

Gitcha popcorn ready.

There might be some precipitation on the giants' sidelines in the form of urine running down the legs of various players.

There's 90% chance of an Orakpo thunderstorm in the jints' backfield followed by a Manning fumble.

We see no chance of a Jacobs' touchdown.

Overall, the atmosphere should be partly insane and totally playoff vibe.

Things will be so bad, the giants will literally shrink before our eyes.

And that's Monday's forcast.

Back to you, Cindy.



Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I know that he knows he's on his way out but having a new coach practically in place while the season is still going on is BS. Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM

Sorry, but the season has been over for a while now and partly because of the poor job that Zorn did. As a head coach, Zorn is a good QB coach.

He should be treated with respect, courtesy, and dignity (unlike the way Vinny treated him), but if they can get a new coach, the sooner the better.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I can totally see Shanny keeping Soup.

Big, underrated, strong-arm QB who can run and who's been through adversity? Why wouldn't you want that.

Soup may just get his due yet. It'll probably all hang on these last few games.

For the love of Pete, tho - FJZ!! lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 18, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't "feel sorry" for any of these guys who make a ridiculous living playing a kids game.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 10:17 AM |

Really? Not the ones who can't move their arms or legs? The ones with early-age dementia?

They're not playing a kids game.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

No, they make a choice knowing the risks and get highly compensated for it. I broke my neck diving in the ocean and had to deal with major surgery, paralysis, and months of rehab/therapy. People get hurt all the time for all kinds of reason, don't give me a sob story that some people got hurt choosing to make millions of dollars playing a game that is violent and inherently risky. I don't ever wish injury on anyone and I'm sad for them, but no I don't "feel sorry" for them, they made a choice and risky choices sometimes have consequences, but they make way way more money than teachers, police officers, fire men, and many of them run around like petulant overgrown children acting like idiots and criminals. I respect the ones that don't who are responsible, realize their good fortune and give of their time and resources to charity and making a difference, but don't ask me to feel sorry for any of them.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I would watch a Moe broadcast.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 18, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Yep, CP26 gotta go. Hopefully the next coach/GM/owner trio has the testicles to do it.

Cancer in the locker room. Distraction on the sidelines. Idiot in front of microphone or camera. No show for off season conditioning, pre-season practices and exhibition games. Excused from most regular season practices and game days.

Tiresome, boring, over the hill and a waste of a roster spot.

Get rid of this loser already!

Posted by: Vic1 | December 18, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I feel kind of crappy for Zorn. I know that he knows he's on his way out but having a new coach practically in place while the season is still going on is BS. Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse
I really like JZ, and was hopeful that he could make a good head coach. But after watching him for almost 2 seasons, I feel that the position is just too much for him. I think the Skins have been up front with him and telling him he would be let go after this year. So I don't feel sorry for him. He took a shot, so he shouldn't have any regrets. But there is nothing wrond with the team moving ahead with identifying their new coach. He will not be announced until after the final game.

Posted by: frediefritz | December 18, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

These players don't play for him (Zorn)? Really? This team is playing very hard. They've lost 6 games by 6 points or less. This team tries hard, they just haven't had the personnel (read: Offensive Line) to finish games. Sure, you can blame that on Zorn. Sure, you can say they're not plaing for him, but their paychecks. If he's going to take blame, as a HC should, he should also get credit for this team's outstanding effort the last month. Yes, I believe being within 7 points of winning 5 str8 and taking out two divisional rivals on the road outstanding effort. If SUisham weren't such a bum this team would be at least 6-7 and still in the hunt, with SEVEN different starting O-lines. I'm not sure how someone can say this group isn't playing hard for him. Baffling

DRAFT RUSSELL OKUNG

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

that's some heavy shti, Jack! I'm sorry you had to go through that.

I can feel empathy and sympathy for anyone... I guess it's a curse.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 18, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The players are playing for their jobs, not Zoron.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 18, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

They've lost 6 games by 6 points or less

ugh...just threw up in my mouth a little reading that...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 18, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I like that forecast, Mista. Good for us, dare I say a tad Moe-ribund for Big Blue?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

In this day and age, especially over the internet, people can really focus on the negative and try and stay there. But we all clamored for Vinny to step down. You cant fire an owner. I truly believe Snyder wants to win. To those that think he is trying to sell jerseys and JUST make money, I respectfully say, BS. The guy spends more of the money we give him than anyone. Hats off to Snyder for the Allen move. If he gets Shanahan to go with this he will have done a HELL of a job. The only concern I have is can he step back and let them do their jobs...

Posted by: Club320 | December 18, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM

His job was finished the moment Sherm took over. Which, like Vinny said, he should have brought in sooner......

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 18, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I feel kind of crappy for Zorn. I know that he knows he's on his way out but having a new coach practically in place while the season is still going on is BS. Let the man finish the season.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 18, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

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I could care less about coddling Zorn. If the Redskins can put themselves in a better position for next year and get a head start or advantage over other teams who are in the same position... then do it.

Posted by: dfbovey | December 18, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

If JC goes somewhere else, I hope it has a stud o-line so that he won't have to worry so much.


That's a low blow, but I think that JC has been put in a great situation to showcase his talents this year, and while he's shown flashes at times, his overall performance in a contract year has been lacking. Kornheiser calls him a 12-18 QB, I'd probably go more like 18-30 -- still better than almost any alternative out there, and definitely attractive to some teams.
Yes, we definitely need to tender him if RFA, and I'll keep him in lieu of a rookie, but if Carolina came in and offered a 2nd and a 3rd, I'd listen pretty hard.

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

that's some heavy shti, Jack! I'm sorry you had to go through that.

I can feel empathy and sympathy for anyone... I guess it's a curse.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 18, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I guess I think not wishing injury on someone and "feeling sorry" are two different things. I feel sorry for the person injured in a freak accident, I feel sorry for the family of the person killed by a drunk driver, I feel sorry for people affected by things and circumstances out of their control. I don't feel sorry for JC because he's had to deal with learning some new systems while making millions playing a game, I don't feel sorry for Jim Zorn because things haven't gone well at his job while he's made millions, I don't feel sorry for somebody who gets injured choosing to play a violent and dangerous game while making millions. When your a kid you're taught not to do dangerous things, its never a good thing when somebody gets hurt but if you intentionally play with fire the chances are pretty good you're going to get burned.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't criticizing, Jack. You have every right to that gestalt. And I believe I understand.

I am not able to do that so well, however. Probably explains my penchant for Portis.

Posted by: DikShuttle | December 18, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Well said Club. I like JZ and still would like to see him get one more year, but at the end of the day, it's hard not to admit that Allen + Shanahan > Cerrato + Zorn

On a different but related note- too often this blog tends toward a cheap hub for personal digs and negativity towards all thing Burgundy and Gold. We can disagree with each other and the Skins without "dbag", "your mom is my ho", and other sophomoric personal attacks. I mean, can't we?

Happy Holidays. HAIL TO THEM SKINS (DRAFT RUSSELL OKUNG) And I like the McCluster in 2nd/3rd rd too DMV

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

No, they make a choice knowing the risks and get highly compensated for it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 10:40 AM |

None of them knew the risks, Jack. We're only now discovering the long-term effects of playing in the NFL. We still don't know what they are. So, given that we don't know, your assertion that they're "highly compensated" relative to the risks is empty.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

In had this dream yesterday that Vinny was fired. Oh wait, it actually happened! Beathard likes the Allen move, so that's praise from Caesar. The look on Danny's face at the presser was like "don't F w/ me." I like the heat it puts on DC to perform and win or your gone.

HTTR!

Posted by: Realness1 | December 18, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan would be a very interesting HC. Would he keep JC17? He inherited Elway. Off the top of my head, his other QB were Griese, Plummer, and Cutler.

Plummer and Cutler were/are gunslingers. Plummer had the unfortunate task of being Doug DeCines to Elway's Brooks Robinson. Never follow a legend.

Anyway, JC17 is about as different from Plummer as can be. Pocket versus rollout. Cannon versus rifle. Will Shanahan look for a guy who can throw accurately on the run, or will he accept that his QB is a pocket passer who's strength is the intermediate/deep throws, and not the quick slants?

Either way, if he is hired, look for a resurgent running game. I'm not sure Shanahan is wedded to a particular running style, but I am damned sure that the Redskins will run the football.

Denver's rushing
2008 12th (Shanny fired)
2007 9th
2006 7th
2005 2nd (division,playoffs)
2004 4th (playoffs)
2003 2nd (playoffs)
2002 5th

If he's somewhat intellgent, when his teams run the ball, he's successful, and when they don't he gets fired.

An obvious lesson?

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 18, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

None of them knew the risks, Jack. We're only now discovering the long-term effects of playing in the NFL. We still don't know what they are. So, given that we don't know, your assertion that they're "highly compensated" relative to the risks is empty.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

right, nobody knew that they full speed collisions could result in permanent physical damage before now. Come off it, we may now be learning the full extent of those risks but don't pretend that we're just now figuring out that football is dangerous. And pretending that making millions playing a game isn't highly compensated is retarded. Quit being contrary just for the sake of being contrary.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

And am I the only one who can't bring himself to criticize Cerrato for failing to include Zorn -- THE GUY THAT GOT HIM FIRED -- in the list of excellent coaches he's had the opportunity to work with?
I mean, we get on these guys all the time for being deliberately disingenuous ("we're not talking about a trade for Jason Taylor") when that disingenuousness serves a purpose, but we actually want the guy to lie through his teeth in his final public statement?
What am I missing Up Here?

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I feel for Snyder. Vinnie was his friend and he didn't want to fire the guy, but he did. That's not an easy thing to do.

I know lots of guys here -- and elsewhere in Redskins' Nation -- like to rip Snyder, and I understand. But no matter what you think of the guy, you can't say that he doesn't want to win championships.

JZ should have refused the HC job when offered. A man's got to know his limitations.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 18, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

What happened to the Chucky post? Why was it pulled?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What am I missing Up Here?

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Daggar, I totally agree, if you're going to list excellent coaches Jim Zorn doesn't belong on the list. And Jim did get him fired. I think it was a little classless because in my opinion naming names and not naming Zorn as somebody he enjoyed working with was intentionally taking a shot at Zorn but certainly Zorn didn't belong on an excellent coaches list.

He could have simply said, "I've enjoyed my time here working with all the great people I've had an opportunity to work with. I think we've laid the foundation for a bright future and look forward to this franchise building on that foundation and being successful in the future. I want to thank Dan for the opportunity he has given me to be a part of the Redskins franchise and I look forward to my next opportunity whatever that may be." Its simple, still pats himself on the back for his young players that are doing well, and doesn't throw anybody under the bus or take parting shots.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Interesting tidbit from espn on the Redskins/Giants game:

"Big Blue's D ranks between fourth and 18th in the other four 20-yard zones we split the field into, but inside the red zone, the Giants are a shocking 30th. Washington's offense can capitalize on that if the Skins throw the ball; they have the second-best passing offense in football inside the red zone, but they're 29th running the ball in that same space."

Second best passing red zone offense in the league. Credit Sherm Lewis with that (and discredit Zorn for mindlessly pounding the ball in the red zone with nothing to show for it in multiple games early on).

Posted by: psps23 | December 18, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

BTW, Notorious, in my opinion the team is playing for each other, not Zorn. I think they like and respect the guy, but they're playing for Fletcher and Campbell. Zorn may have brought them together, but I believe this adversity is forging a bond.

A guy like Shanahan is probably a better fit for the teams' emotional makeup, rather than Gruden at this point.

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

And am I the only one who can't bring himself to criticize Cerrato for failing to include Zorn -- THE GUY THAT GOT HIM FIRED -- in the list of excellent coaches he's had the opportunity to work with?
I mean, we get on these guys all the time for being deliberately disingenuous ("we're not talking about a trade for Jason Taylor") when that disingenuousness serves a purpose, but we actually want the guy to lie through his teeth in his final public statement?
What am I missing Up Here?

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 11:05 AM |
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I agree.

If I were Cerrato, I wouldn't mention Zorn as being wonderful/having the privilege to work with ither.

Zorn is a probably a very nice guy, but as a HC he's a rubber-spined neo-hippie doofus, and the sooner he cleans out his desk at Redskins Park the better.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 18, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Jack,

Since you're so confident that these people were fully informed, can you answer these questions about the risks of playing professional football (which you dismissed as "a kid's game")?

1. On average, how much earlier do ex-NFL veteran linemen experience the onset of dementia?

2. How does the life expectancy of ex-NFL players, with ten years' experience, compare to comparable men's life expectancy?

3. What is the rate of concussions among NFL players and how does it compare with the rate for public school teachers? What are the lasting effects of these concussions?

4. How much higher are the medical care costs, over their lifetime, for NFL veterans compared to the average Redskin Insider poster?

5. Do helmets increase or reduce the likelihood that a player will suffer a concussion?

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

That's a low blow, but I think that JC has been put in a great situation to showcase his talents this year, and while he's shown flashes at times, his overall performance in a contract year has been lacking. Kornheiser calls him a 12-18 QB, I'd probably go more like 18-30 -- still better than almost any alternative out there, and definitely attractive to some teams.
Yes, we definitely need to tender him if RFA, and I'll keep him in lieu of a rookie, but if Carolina came in and offered a 2nd and a 3rd, I'd listen pretty hard.

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I love how JC has shown "flashes". Really? Are we really saying that JC plays better and worse all by himself? I don't buy that for a second. These flashes all seem to coincide with certain facors. Those factors being:

Signing Levi Jones.
Sherm Lewis calling the plays.
Portis riding the pine.
BMW moving to guard.

Every move made JC better so in my personal opinion JC is the same as he always was. The situation just got better. The end result is that the team lost to 3 playoff competitors by less than 3 points in each game. Now what if the situation got a tad bit better? What if we got a new pair of tackles and a top tier running back? Would JC have more "flashes"?

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Jack,

Since you're so confident that these people were fully informed, can you answer these questions about the risks of playing professional football (which you dismissed as "a kid's game")?

1. On average, how much earlier do ex-NFL veteran linemen experience the onset of dementia?

2. How does the life expectancy of ex-NFL players, with ten years' experience, compare to comparable men's life expectancy?

3. What is the rate of concussions among NFL players and how does it compare with the rate for public school teachers? What are the lasting effects of these concussions?

4. How much higher are the medical care costs, over their lifetime, for NFL veterans compared to the average Redskin Insider poster?

5. Do helmets increase or reduce the likelihood that a player will suffer a concussion?

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I don't have any of those answers, and I don't need them to know football is dangerous, I didn't say they knew every single risk and the full extent of it to know football is dangerous quit being an argumentative moron.

Answer me this question. Knowing nothing about the medical statistics of your list of annoying questions, is there anybody on the planet that thinks football is as safe as say being an accountant?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone up here seen Avatar yet?

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I think Davis can have a good game against the NY LB's...I'd like to see them target MK a little more as well...get ganther the ball on some screens, and get him in space...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Knowing nothing about the medical statistics of your list of annoying questions, is there anybody on the planet that thinks football is as safe as say being an accountant?

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:23 AM

You're the one who labeled it "a kids game", so that sounds the same as being an accountant.

Look, if you don't know the risks, then how can you say that they're adequately compensated for them? You can't.

But, to agree with you on another point, I think you have it right on Vinny's Farewell Address. It made him look like the classless jerk that he is, telling us more about him than about Zorn.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Daggar, WTF?

17 is worth at least a first-round pick. He's a starting QB, and one of the better ones in the league, in my opinion as well as statistically. If you traded him, who would you get to play QB? Collins?

Do you think Brennan could be elevated from IR to starter next year?

Posted by: dpc2003 | December 18, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a Dr. but I play one on RI......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 18, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

MARYLAND'S CAMPBELL To ENTER DRAFT
By Joe Schad
ESPN.com

Maryland junior offensive tackle Bruce Campbell said Friday he will enter the next NFL draft.

Campbell, who stands 6-foot-7 and weighs 310 pounds, said he has been told he could be drafted from the middle of the first round to the middle of the second.

"I feel I can be something special and this is best for me," Campbell said. "I have good size and I can protect the quarterbacks' blind side. I played defensive line in high school so I can also think like a defensive player, which is an advantage."

Scouts Inc. rates Campbell as the No. 24 prospect for the 2010 draft.

Maryland does not play in a bowl game, so Campbell can begin his training soon, likely in Miami.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | December 18, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

On a different but related note- too often this blog tends toward a cheap hub for personal digs and negativity towards all thing Burgundy and Gold. We can disagree with each other and the Skins without "dbag", "your mom is my ho", and other sophomoric personal attacks. I mean, can't we?

Happy Holidays. HAIL TO THEM SKINS (DRAFT RUSSELL OKUNG) And I like the McCluster in 2nd/3rd rd too DMV

Posted by: Notorious_LMG


Cute, the dude front and backhands me in the same post. Very cute.

I'm fluent in four languages English, Innuendo, Subliminal, and Sarcasm.

As much as you'd like to change the culture of the way bloggas blog, it ain't happening _LMG. Especially not from me. Please understand this. If you call me an "idiot", I'm going to tell you to "go and f__k your mother", and that's just the way it's going to be. I suggest you get used to it, so you'll be able to enjoy posting up here that much more.

But whateves... I'm not a female so I don't hold a grudge forever and a day. Some people (Shawn Sherman), and maybe yourself won't like the way I put it down up here, and maybe never f__k with a dude like that and that's cool. They even hated Jesus.

I never started posting on RI to "join the club" or come up here to make new friends, or to gain recognition (if that's even achievable by posting on a online newspaper blog), just like to read different opinions about the best team in SPORTS and debate certain aspects of the team.

For all those who have a problem with the way I carry it, let me ask this of you: Either by memory, or a C&P of an old post, please provide a time when I flipped for no reason at all -- just was on some random s_it...

Honestly I don't think you'll be able to.

It's funny though, because you can damn sure tell who stands out more than others here -- they're always the one who get shots thrown at them for no reason other than just to throw them. If you think I, Moe, or Barno, or Beantowngreg are some sort of "blog gods" then it speaks to just how hollow and pathetic your lives just may be.

**I named those guys because I always see either: "You funny Moe", (which is made in sarcasm), C&P jobs of Barno's post from like 3 years ago (who the f__k does that other than to exercise some extreme quest at tearing them down?), or some idiot suggesting some sexually explicit nonsense associated with Beans fam (which I do to others, yes. But not for any reason... usually am provoked).

I'm done with this _LMG and Shawn Sherman, and maybe you boys are too. Just had to get the mylast word in... Hopefully you guys can just come to grips with the content of my s_it.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

LS,
Right, we may never know the full extent of every health risk that is associated with playing pro football, but to say that today’s player would be surprised or unaware that there are inherent health risks associated with their “job” would be ludicrous. You could probably say that about players going back into the early 80s as well. It’s ONE of the reasons that they are paid exponentially more that the average joe. And you sound like beantown by focusing on the one little “kid’s game” comment….we all know what he means.

IMO, Jack’s got you on this one.....nice try though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | December 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I prefer to think that Allen is a man of his word and will do what he said at the press conference, and honestly appraise the coach and players. Not some backroom deal already done for Shanahan, (we just got rid of one guy with the crazy eyes, do we need another?) Allen sounds a lot like his Dad, hope that he hates Dallas as much as Pop did.

Posted by: VegasJim | December 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

The avg. life expectancy of an NFL player is about 53 years.

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/01/29/Sports/A_huge_problem.shtml

Posted by: Realness1 | December 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

someone mentioned yesterday a scenario whereby Shanny kept JZ as OC- is that at all feasible? Any thoughts?
Posted by: Notorious_LMG | December 18,
2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm actually more comfortable with him as head coach with a competent OC that calls plays rather than him as the OC with full playcalling privileges. I think players like him and like/want to play for him.

Yes, the team is playing for each other, but they're also playing for Zorn. Past NFL teams have given up on their season and tanked despite playing for jobs/contracts/pride (Norv 1996 comes to mind, but I don't remember the particulars of that demise). The coach and his designated captains are the difference.

But good Lord, keep Zorny away from the playcalling. HC gives him a lot of other responsibilities, and he can have the time to spend continuing JC's progression.

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 18, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Was doing a paste job when i saw you beat me to the punch MrRedskin21.

I very seriously doubt Okung lasts until 7. I very seriously doubt BA trades up to get Okung. If nothing else, Bruce Campbell throws another ingredient in the overall draft stew.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Beantowngreg are some sort of "blog gods"

wait.....so...I'm not...a blog god....um..i'm gonna need a minute here.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 18, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

What if we got a new pair of tackles and a top tier running back? Would JC have more "flashes"?
He might have "more"; would he have "enough" to be a proven winner?
I'd be pretty hard on him if I were his coach; he's a gifted athlete, courageous, but every time he takes a sack that moves us out of field goal range, or makes a late and dangerous throw, I'd be in his grill that "I need you and me to be on the same page!"
Of course, with Zorn they may not even be in the same book, and that's a bigger problem.
Hip Hip whatever

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Interesting tidbit from espn on the Redskins/Giants game:

"Big Blue's D ranks between fourth and 18th in the other four 20-yard zones we split the field into, but inside the red zone, the Giants are a shocking 30th. Washington's offense can capitalize on that if the Skins throw the ball; they have the second-best passing offense in football inside the red zone, but they're 29th running the ball in that same space."

Second best passing red zone offense in the league. Credit Sherm Lewis with that (and discredit Zorn for mindlessly pounding the ball in the red zone with nothing to show for it in multiple games early on).

Posted by: psps23


You know this is probably because they don't call many passing plays in the red zone, is what I'm guessing. It's amazing what you can do in the red zone when you don't call stretch running plays three times in a row.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

If he goes somewhere else he'll be learning a new offense there too. I don't "feel sorry" for any of these guys who make a ridiculous living playing a kids game.

Posted by: zjfr2

How about the ones who die in the their forties from senile dementia brought on by brain in jury...or the ones using canes or walkers when they are 50..or the ones hooked on painkillers...or the ones who've been a success all their lives and then can't crack a lineup? Or the ones out of the league in their fifth year and find the "millions" a long distant part of their past?

Tough to generalize...

Posted by: TheCork | December 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 18, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

If someone asks if you're a god, you say YES!!

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

bean the RI universe thinks you are if that makes you feel any better...

It's obvious.

lmao @ "Dr. Blog God"

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

If CP is willing to work at it, I don't see why they wouldn't give him a go. If the salary cap is still on next year, letting him go would be awful expensive anyways.

Of course, if he never gets his head clear, or wants to continue going about things the same way in terms of his work ethic, all bets are off.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 18, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

redDmv

"You know this is probably because they don't call many passing plays in the red zone, is what I'm guessing. It's amazing what you can do in the red zone when you don't call stretch running plays three times in a row."

And here we are.

And it not the 'calling the stretch play' three times in a row, it's that there is no attempt to break a tendency.

If you call the 'stretch,' then run a boot leg action of it and hit an open guy running a delay route to the backside of the play.

Or: near the end zone, Campbell takes the ball on a boot and scores.

Such a play would've scored a touchdown in the final minutes of saints' game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It's amazing what you can do in the red zone when you don't call stretch running plays three times in a row.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse


Jim Zorn called for the play to work. I don't see how running stretch left 3 times in a row fails.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

From ESPN Insider:

Shanahan's possible plan for Skins
11:27AM ET
Mike Shanahan | Broncos
Top Email

With many signs pointing to Mike Shanahan becoming the next coach of the Washington Redskins very soon, we're going to spin the wheel forward a bit and consider what he might do once he's in DC.

The first issue is quarterback Jason Campbell. Many have thought that this season would be Campbell's last with the 'Skins, and there are also those who believe that Shanahan's main concern with any coaching position is the availability of a franchise QB. Fortunately, the Redskins will have a relatively high first round pick, and some -- including Todd McShay of Scouts, Inc. -- think that this pick will be used on a QB, possibly Oklahoma's Sam Bradford.

After figuring out the QB situation, potential coach Shanny would have to sort out the offensive line. In his Denver Broncos days, Shanahan preferred smaller, athletic types on the O-line, and technique-wise, the Broncos O-line was renowned for cut blocks. The Skins will have their work cut out for them in free agency and the draft here.

Maybe the most compelling side-story this offseason -- if Shanahan is hired -- will be Clinton Portis' situation. Portis and Shanahan do have a little bit of history together, but Shanahan was the one who traded Clinton away from Denver. Shanahan is also the man many times credited/blamed for using a running back-by-committee approach, and having one RB making so much money might go against that strategy from a roster-building standpoint.

We'll stay on top of all of this if and when the announcement is officially made.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm done with this _LMG and Shawn Sherman, and maybe you boys are too. Just had to get the mylast word in... Hopefully you guys can just come to grips with the content of my s_it.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse
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Fair enough, I'm sure we'd all rather talk Redskins anyways. If this is the persona you want to roll out, and I'll deal with you from here on out knowing that is your thing.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | December 18, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

If someone asks if you're a god, you say YES!!

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 18, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Nice Ghostbusters reference :)

Posted by: jaradel | December 18, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Beantowngreg are some sort of "blog gods"

wait.....so...I'm not...a blog god....um..i'm gonna need a minute here.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | December 18, 2009 11:39 AM
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blog dog - he meant blog dog - same letters, different meaning. Nothing wrong with being a blog dog... as long as Michael Vick isn't running the blog...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | December 18, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like ESPN thinks its a done deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

And the last stage -- "acceptance"...

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I'll say this about RB work ethic:

Redskins won their first Lombardi on a play called "70 chip" run by a guy who spent his work weeks strapped in traction at Sibley Hospital to get his hip to let go of his sciatic nerve.

If CP knows the plays(and he does), knows who to block(and he does), and brings his all on game day(and he does), that is good enough for me and he gets a pass to let his ankles, knee, shoulder, head, whatever a chance to calm down before he re-aggravates them again on Sunday running the ball 20 times and smacking the guy that just ran past Heyer 15 more.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like ESPN thinks its a done deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse


For me, the real question is who is gonna run the Defense.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"Fortunately, the Redskins will have a relatively high first round pick, and some -- including Todd McShay of Scouts, Inc. -- think that this pick will be used on a QB, possibly Oklahoma's Sam Bradford."

I think Jake Locker staying in school changes this.

Locker really is in the mold of the kind of player Shanny would want.

And giving the way Campbell has been playing, Shanny could and should step in, and use the same scheme with tweaks that fit his desires.

But no one has been hired yet so I'll vent: VINNY'S GONE!!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Since we're prophesying this morning, I see......

A need for a top running back to replace both CP and LB.

A need for a great starting LT, back-up LG, back-up C, starting RT.

Starting slot receiver.

A new DT if ANTHONY MONTGOMERY doesn't begin fulfilling the promise he has. GOLSTON is too small, GRIFFIN getting too old. ALEXANDER good for spot duty only.

An OLB - strong-side to allow ORAKPO to play hand down.

At least one CB. SMOOT is no longer a good cover guy, and ROGERS it seems, only plays when it suits him. TRYON and BARNES are still suspect as cover corners although JUSTIN has had a few moments this season - both ways.

One FS.

MR. ALLEN's #1 picks have NEVER included a QB and we don't need one, short of receiving both a first and second for JASON. Frankly, I wouldn't want to cripple the development of this team at this point by shipping CAMPBELL out. The timing just doesn't feel right.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 18, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

For me, the real question is who is gonna run the Defense.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 18, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

And while we're talking about change over, why not entertain a change in scheme on that side of the ball as well? What does John Fox run in Carolina? A switch to a 3-4 would only make Orakpo more scary, I would think. 92 as NT? Jarmon and Carter in this scheme, or would we need more beef? Thoughts?

Posted by: RomoShortball | December 18, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

He might have "more"; would he have "enough" to be a proven winner?
I'd be pretty hard on him if I were his coach; he's a gifted athlete, courageous, but every time he takes a sack that moves us out of field goal range, or makes a late and dangerous throw, I'd be in his grill that "I need you and me to be on the same page!"
Of course, with Zorn they may not even be in the same book, and that's a bigger problem.
Hip Hip whatever


Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that he would flash more with some better players and a better coach. Right now his problem is that he can't finish games. Why is that? Is it a coincedence that JZ is calling the plays in the 2 minute drill and the 2 minute drill is where JC plays like crap? Are you mad at JC for taking a sack that moves us out of field goal range or are you mad at JZ for calling a deep passing play inside field goal range? We don't have the pass protection to run a decent 2 minute drill. It's a lot harder when the other team knows you are trying to pass deep. They can drop 8 back in coverage and still break down our pass pro in under 3 seconds. We had guys come in untouched on 3 man rushes and get sacks. How can you pass through 8 defenders when you can't stop a 3 man rush? I'd like to see JC run a 2 minute drill with 3-4 seconds of protection or with Sherm Lewis calling the plays before I blame it all on JC.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | December 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Sounds to me like ESPN thinks its a done deal.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 18, 2009 11:56 AM |

Denver Post reports that they're just working out the details:

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_14020216

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Redskins respond to our Cerrato "insinuation"

Posted by Mike Florio on December 18, 2009 12:04 PM ET

As we sift through the stream of holiday cards coming primarily if not exclusively from the friends and family members of Mrs. PFT, we can now cross one entity off the list of expected senders.

The Redskins.

We posted last night an item explaining that former executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato will remain as a consultant to owner Daniel Snyder, and we suggested that the role might have something to do with keeping Cerrato quiet about matters like the recruitment of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

So I got a call today from Redskins General Counsel Dave Donovan, and he had Cerrato on the line.

Donovan, to put it mildly, wasn't happy. (Unless he secretly moonlights as a drill sergeant.)

Before I go any farther on this one, I need to say that neither Donovan nor Cerrato used the magic words "off the record." They didn't say it at the outset of the call, they didn't say it after a lull in the conversation during which they thought I'd hung up and I said "I'm just taking good notes," and they didn't say it at the end when I thanked them for giving me so much material.

Donovan specifically wasn't happy with the "insinuation" that Cerrato was being paid for his silence. "If Vinny wasn't a public figure," Donovan said, "it would be defamatory."

Actually, it wouldn't be defamatory even if Vinny wasn't a public figure, since we made no statement of fact about anyone. We wrote only that there's a suspicion that Cerrato will be paid in order to ensure that he doesn't talk about things that he might know, whatever those things might be.

At one point, Donovan acknowledged that he also was unhappy with the fact that I wrote the item in a way that allowed me to make my point without creating any potential liability, calling the tactic "cowardly." And Donovan wasn't pleased with the fact that the team is receiving calls from other reporters seeking an admission or denial of the suggestion that Cerrato is being paid to pipe down.

"If you have facts, print the goddamn facts," he said.

Meanwhile, Donovan explained that Cerrato remains under contract through February 2010, and that Cerrato's contract will be honored. I asked whether he would thereafter be consulting with the Redskins or directly with Mr. Snyder, and Donovan said he "can't speak to any future issue." Cerrato said that he and Snyder "haven't talked about that yet."

On this specific point, we'll allow the audience to come to their own conclusions about what Donovan and/or Cerrato might be insinuating.

Posted by: League-Source | December 18, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Redskins respond to our Cerrato "insinuation"
Posted by Mike Florio on December 18, 2009 12:04 PM ET
As we sift through the stream of holiday cards coming primarily if not exclusively from the friends and family members of Mrs. PFT, we can now cross one entity off the list of expected senders.

The Redskins.

We posted last night an item explaining that former executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato will remain as a consultant to owner Daniel Snyder, and we suggested that the role might have something to do with keeping Cerrato quiet about matters like the recruitment of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth.

So I got a call today from Redskins General Counsel Dave Donovan, and he had Cerrato on the line.

Donovan, to put it mildly, wasn't happy. (Unless he secretly moonlights as a drill sergeant.)

Before I go any farther on this one, I need to say that neither Donovan nor Cerrato used the magic words "off the record." They didn't say it at the outset of the call, they didn't say it after a lull in the conversation during which they thought I'd hung up and I said "I'm just taking good notes," and they didn't say it at the end when I thanked them for giving me so much material.

Donovan specifically wasn't happy with the "insinuation" that Cerrato was being paid for his silence. "If Vinny wasn't a public figure," Donovan said, "it would be defamatory."

Actually, it wouldn't be defamatory even if Vinny wasn't a public figure, since we made no statement of fact about anyone. We wrote only that there's a suspicion that Cerrato will be paid in order to ensure that he doesn't talk about things that he might know, whatever those things might be.

At one point, Donovan acknowledged that he also was unhappy with the fact that I wrote the item in a way that allowed me to make my point without creating any potential liability, calling the tactic "cowardly." And Donovan wasn't pleased with the fact that the team is receiving calls from other reporters seeking an admission or denial of the suggestion that Cerrato is being paid to pipe down.

"If you have facts, print the goddamn facts," he said.

Meanwhile, Donovan explained that Cerrato remains under contract through February 2010, and that Cerrato's contract will be honored. I asked whether he would thereafter be consulting with the Redskins or directly with Mr. Snyder, and Donovan said he "can't speak to any future issue." Cerrato said that he and Snyder "haven't talked about that yet."

On this specific point, we'll allow the audience to come to their own conclusions about what Donovan and/or Cerrato might be insinuating.

Posted by: 4thFloor | December 18, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Daggar, WTF?
17 is worth at least a first-round pick.

He's worth what the market will bear. Sticker price on him as an RFA could be as high as a 1st and a 3rd, but who pays sticker price?
If you sign him for a year, but at the expense of the relationship that guarantees he'll bolt as soon as he gets the chance, I'd listen to other offers.
You're absolutely right that I have no idea of an alternative QB, and I'm not on the Colt bandwagon or the rookie QB bandwagon, so if you trade him maybe we run all-wildcat all-the-time for a year.
All I'm saying is that JC has his price. I doubt that it'll happen, trades are infrequent enough, but while JC is plan A, you definitely have to have a plan B and C in mind.

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Re: JC's value:

"One NFL head coach said this week that if Campbell were in the 2010 draft, he would be the second quarterback picked."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=schefter_adam&id=4748380

Posted by: swowra | December 18, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I see JAWS keeps pimping GRUDEN for our next coach. Hummmm, ALLEN and GRUDEN together. Didn't that get them fired in TB? No I don't see it, at least, I don't WANT to see it. MS is better than JG in my book. If I had my druthers, which I don't, I look for a fresh face, kinda' on the JIM CALDWELL side of things.

Posted by: glawrence007 | December 18, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | December 18, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Florio is a di_k head who whines about every team breaking NFL rules, and then throws a bunch of sh_t out there seeing what will stick.

They once reported Terry Bradshaw was dead, I mean give me a break.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 18, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"If you have facts, print the goddamn facts," he said.

I think I may be kin to this guy Donovan.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 18, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Are you mad at JC for taking a sack that moves us out of field goal range or are you mad at JZ for calling a deep passing play inside field goal range?

I dunno. If I'm the head coach, I need my QB to understand that I want 1) a completed pass, 2) a throwaway that gives me a chance at a FG, 3) a sack, or 4) an INT .... in that order.
Since I'm not Zorn, and really choose not to guess at what's going through his head at any moment, that ordering may not be "perfectly" accurate.

Posted by: daggar | December 18, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

"17 is worth at least a first-round pick."


It depends on the team, doesn't it?

The vikes might say he as the arm, but hasn't shown he can take over games with it.

The browns, bills, rams, panthers, and niners, though, might say, "We've see what he has, but think a 3rd is more in order."

And I wonder if Allen would take that 3rd.

I wouldn't: doing so would mean you're willing to take the chance the other teams don't want.

And if they don't wnat to risk another pick on a quarterback, why would you?

Think about it.

Keep JC.

However, S Moss I'd move by Feb 15th for a fourth rounder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | December 18, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I am a Redskins fan for life a true fan who sticks with my team win or lose. But honestly i'm preparing for a dysmal season next year we're going to get a new quaterback and new players snd we are going to have growing pains and finish 5-11
the only way that we are going to have a winning season is to keep all our players and completly overhaul the o-line. im not saying that the moves we just made are bad i just don't want Redskins nation getting pumped up like next year is going to be the year we win it all when we have a new coach and players just my opinion

HTTR!! RIP#21 4EVER

Posted by: cpt55back | December 18, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

So, nobody thinks we're going to get blown out - but 3 times as many people on this blog think the Skins win it under 9 pts than think the Giants win it under 9 pts.

I said Skins too - but probably out of hope for the future more than anything else. This is a playoff game for NY. Hard to see the Skins, given the state they are in, matching that purpose.

It'll be a good game regardless and could easily go either way.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | December 18, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

And Crash Cooley fans. Look at how hard it was for him to score TD's? Davis, did not start off the season playing, already has five. His blocking will eventually supersede Cooley. His college scouting report states as much. If there is any trade it will be Crash Cooley (as he himself fears) and not Davis. Cooley is an H-back suited for Gibb's offense. Not a tight end like Davis.

Posted by: periculum | December 18, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

The Giants are not all that and its obvious by their record. The Skins should be motivated, we have a new decision maker and players will be fighting for jobs, at least the ones who want to be here, it will be great for a new set of eyes to evaluate the talent, scheme , coaches etc.

If they just play as they have been an attack on the offense and defense side of the ball and they should be alright.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | December 18, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing that the Giants pass-rush totally abuses our o-line (especially Heyer). Skins can't fall behind early or else Campbell will get beat-up and start fumbling and throwing picks again. I've never seen Zorn aggressively attack the Giant defense.

Posted by: coparker5 | December 18, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

panties

Posted by: Rotfrau | December 18, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

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