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Predict Portis' Output

How many T-shirt possibilities can one man generate in the course of a brief conversation? If the man is Clinton Portis. Dan Steinberg notes, there are plenty of possibilities. Mano y mano ... Bombs over Baghdad ... maybe just B.O.B. for short.

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Added bonus: Faces of Zorn, from Steinberg.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 10, 2009; 10:20 AM ET
 
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FIRST to claim victory over the Giants.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 10, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I have to back up brownwood.

I am Redskin Fan 1st! But being a football overall fan comes RIGHT behind it. I played football in little league and high school. I use to LOVE College Footbal (UMichigan all the way. Home of the Non Shoestring tying QBs).

When I was younger, I had NFL curtains/blanket with all the teams and would look at it for hours. Had Football trading cards (Esiason rookie card was my most valuable @ $6). And had a SB almanac. All of this before the age of 8 yrs old.

So, as a NFL connesouir (sp?) and faux historian, I never saw the NFL as one League. I always viewed them as 2 leagues (AFC/NFC) and declared it acceptable to have 2 teams. One from each conference. So, I had the Redskins as my MAIN team (from the womb). And I decided to choose the Cinncinati Bengals as my AFC team. And I was heart broken when Montana and Taylor hooked up on that TD late in the SB.

Sue Me. I was 9 yr old. And I followed Esiason to the Jets who happened to get Monk as well. I was again heart broken by the Marino fake spike TD pass.

Sue me again. Now, I am out of that phase, but I still root for certain players. Sue me for that too if you must.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

From previous thread:

Glawrence: I disagree with the overall feeling (shared by many on this site) that the season rests on the O-line. I actually think the O-line will be the pleasant surprise of the year, and they will hold up just fine. Just my gut feeling.

I think the key to success this season rests on the secondary. Yes, the secondary. I do not believe Carlos is 100%. And I am not sold on D-Hall, way overpaid. Both he and Rogers are good corners, but by no means are they great. Snyder gave D-Hall “shut-down corner” money. We will have to see. We are also very thin in the secondary. One or two injuries, and we could easily see Tryon or Barnes having to start. Now that’s a scary thought. I cannot begin to emphasize how LUCKY the Skins are now the T.O. and Plax are out of the NFC East. Not one team in the NFC East has a bona-fide superstar receiver. Overall, the other teams in the NFC East receiving corps do not scare me at all. Not saying they aren’t good, but they nothing to fear on paper.

I’ll keep repeating this: The loss of Plax and T.O. will be huge to the NFC East race. Nobody is really talking about these losses, but their importance to their respective teams will show once the season starts.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

50-100 only because he'll be getting a few less carries this season and dare I say it, we may actually have a viable passing game this season. I'm not worried about the start of our season, and I actually think we have a good shot to win this weekend, I'm worried about the 2nd half of our season and how Samuels and Thomas hold up, that's the question of the year....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Etrod - Re: Generalization of Seahawk fans

I had to maintain certain blog cred because I tend to take stuff serious up here. HAd to prove I still had idiocracy in me.

Nate - No offense to your 'Seahawk' buddies up over there......They'll be complaining about that SB 30/40 years from now. MAybe even make it an HBO Special.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"Looks to me like I'm not the only one, Greg. Perhaps YOU'RE the irrational one, no?"

See brownie, the difference is that he didn't back it up by saying that AH=stubby......see the difference....I never said you couldn't root for other teams, never once did I say that....what I did suggest is that perhaps after telling us how great Hampton is, how great an organization the steelers are, perhaps you should get involved with a steelers blog....clear??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Saying the line will hold up for 16 games is like playing 7 2 off suit in poker, sure, the flop could come 7 7 2, but its not real likely......

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Irrational is the order of the day on the blog"

Here you go:

but I smell Stubblefield 2.0...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 10:28 AM


You keep pointing to this, but it's a gut feeling I have. You can feel free to disagree, but because I don't agree with YOU doesn't make me wrong.

Time will tell. I always top off one of my Redskins rants with "I hope I'm wrong". Just because I don't see everything Redskin in rainbows and lollipops doesn't make it anti-Redskin.

Get a grip dude...you're rapidly approaching T_E status.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I think the key to success this season rests on the secondary.

Posted by: cj658

I disagree slightly. I think our D is a strength even without our top corner. The key to success rests on Chris Samuels' recently drained knee. An injury to Samuels sets off a potentially disastrous chain of events on offense that will ultimately include BMW as the starting right tackle for your Washington Redskins.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 10, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse


Even if they don’t hold up, I’m actually surprisingly confident in Chad and Will Montgomery, to come in and do an effective job if there are any injuries. Again, I strongly feel the secondary will be the key to the Skins success.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

As far as obnoxious fans go, Here's my list

1. Dallas
2. Dallas
3. Dallas
4. Dallas
5. Dallas
6. (tie) Philfydelfia and NYG
8. New England Patriots, not because of their team, but because most New Englanders are just rude to begin with.
9. Carolina, only because of Joe Wilson. Did you see that his opponent last year raised $65K in the last 12 hours?

I think CP will split time with Betts, get about 20 carries and go for 98 yards. Betts picks up another 60.

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 10, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Time will tell. I always top off one of my Redskins rants with "I hope I'm wrong". Just because I don't see everything Redskin in rainbows and lollipops doesn't make it anti-Redskin.

Get a grip dude...you're rapidly approaching T_E status.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Someone else finally feels my pain.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas = Koren Robinson

Posted by: ccrum87 | September 10, 2009 10:41 AM


Whoa, watch out there now! I'm sure Greg disagrees with this, so prepare to be blasted!

It's early Crum, but I could actually see that being the case. Shhh...don't let Greg hear that though!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 10, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse


I’d rather have BMW as my starting right tackle, than have Justin Tryon as my starting right corner. Just saying.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What are the keys to RI success this season?

Witty Banter?

Multiple Verbal Brawls Spanning Several Posts?

Comments per Post Criticizing WaPo and/or J. Reid?

Number of National Name Checks for Posters?

Physical Altercations between RI Hamsters at some Random Game Meet Up?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 10, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

9. Carolina, only because of Joe Wilson. Did you see that his opponent last year raised $65K in the last 12 hours?

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 10, 2009 10:50 AM

It's @ $100K now. I not even going to lie, I was LOLing when that joint happen.

MAinly because how Pelosi mugged the SJK out of him something serious....

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse


Even if they don’t hold up, I’m actually surprisingly confident in Chad and Will Montgomery, to come in and do an effective job if there are any injuries. Again, I strongly feel the secondary will be the key to the Skins success.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I certainly agree Chad looked good this preseason and it appears that if Thomas goes down we'll be fine but Will M. and E. Wil are also guards, the interior looks fine, Samuels and Heyer are the key to our year because you can't with a straight face tell me you're confident in Baptiste and BMW.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Portis over 100 yards easily. What's Dock gonna do? Plow.. BTW- may I dare dream? If Samuels switch to RT and BMW to LT.. we're gonna dominate the league. Hopefully!

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 10, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I’ll keep repeating this: The loss of Plax and T.O. will be huge to the NFC East race. Nobody is really talking about these losses, but their importance to their respective teams will show once the season starts.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. No matter what Dallas wants to believe getting rid of TO does not make them better.

I think Plax will effect NY more, but only because they also lost Toomer.

For the number of ?s that get raised about the skins o-line health, it amazes me that Philly is getting a free pass on Westbrooke's health.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 10, 2009 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I’d rather have BMW as my starting right tackle, than have Justin Tryon as my starting right corner. Just saying.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You obviously didn't watch Chase running for his life against the Jax's once who were feasting on our #2 tackles.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of how many yards he gets, his pockets will be straight. Balee Dat.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 10, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

sorry that was Jax's one's feasting on our #2 tackles

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas = Koren Robinson

Posted by: ccrum87 | September 10, 2009 10:41 AM

Whoa, watch out there now! I'm sure Greg disagrees with this, so prepare to be blasted!

It's early Crum, but I could actually see that being the case. Shhh...don't let Greg hear that though!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 10:51 AM


Devin Thomas = Roddy White

I could see this as well. Why don't we let the season play itself out. Zeesssh...

Posted by: TWISI | September 10, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of how many yards he gets, his pockets will be straight. Balee Dat.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 10, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

lmao

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of how many yards he gets, his pockets will be straight. Balee Dat.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 10, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

This was never in doubt.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"Predict Portis' Output"


Again: another thread that stands as evidence that you might be impeached.

It's better to ask, "Who needs to have a bigger game, Portis or Campbell?"

Campbell, obviously.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

"It's early Crum, but I could actually see that being the case. Shhh...don't let Greg hear that though"

wow.....rational, intelligent...and yet well thought out all in one.....

And enough with the lollipops line you keep trotting out, thats just weak, I don't ask for that at any point... I stated constantly that the rookie wideouts needed time...and guess what, that's in the process of being proven true with MK being named the starter. I mean, not like WR is one of the toughest spots to transition to from college..or anything...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse


Although their natural position is guard, both Chad and Will can play tackle if need be. While they may not be all that good, I think they both have the potential to be a serviceable tackle, especially Chad.

Like I said, I’d rather take my chances with BMW at starting tackle than with Tryon at starting corner.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Since the Steelers have won 2 Super Bowls recently, yeah they are a pretty good organization. Can't argue that.

I root for the Redskins and whoever I bet on. Why are some of you getting your panties in a bunch? First meaningful Redskins game in 9 months is coming up Sunday. Come on now.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 10, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Ok, for the last time & the love of all that is holy.

Mano y mano means 'hand and hand'... is that REALLY what you were trying to convey? Are you SURE you didn't mean Mano A mano??? 'Hand to hand'? as in combat, as in boxing, as in where the saying comes from?!? Aaargh!

Sorry - I know it's picky, but it's like nails on a blackboard to me.

The other thing was people using 'weary' instead of 'wary' or 'leary'... but that has since slowed down if not stopped entirely.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 10, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Kenbeatrizz,
I agree. I think the secondary will be okay - especially with a defensive line that will give quarterbacks less time to get rid of the ball, but that offensive line has all kinds of worries emanating from it. I agree with Samuels being an injured reserve candidate waiting to happen. I am not 100% sold on Heyer and the depth behind him is a very big dropoff. Late this season - if BMW comes in and plays well - we still have to worry about him getting injured because he proved in preseason that he is injury prone.

My gut tells me that Heyer will pass block okay in the Giants game; however, Portis will spend the day running behind Dockery and Samuels because Heyer won't be moving anyone out of the way. I believe next week the Redskins will sign another offensive tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

You keep pointing to this, but it's a gut feeling I have. You can feel free to disagree, but because I don't agree with YOU doesn't make me wrong.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

________________________

Doesn't make you wrong, but I don't see the rationale behind your fears. Haynesworth and Stubblefield have nothing in common aside from being defensive tackles.

Haynesworth was typically double teamed and still remained dominant. He has more in common with Bryant Young than he does Dana Stubblefield.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 10, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas = Roddy White

I could see this as well. Why don't we let the season play itself out. Zeesssh...


Posted by: TWISI | September 10, 2009 10:57 AM


Which is why I added "it's early".

Read the whole post, dude.

Speaking of Roddy, just saw him on ESPN First Take (and last in the ratings)...he's a pretty pleasant kid.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

First meaningful Redskins game in 9 months is coming up Sunday. Come on now.

Posted by: ToddStinkston

HAIL!!!

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 10, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I am Redskin Fan 1st! But being a football overall fan comes RIGHT behind it. I played football in little league and high school. I use to LOVE College Footbal (UMichigan all the way. Home of the Non Shoestring tying QBs).

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 10:40 AM |

Go Blue! (and the Wrambling Wreck of course!)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

mistamayor

"Predict Portis' Output"


Again: another thread that stands as evidence that you might be impeached.

It's better to ask, "Who needs to have a bigger game, Portis or Campbell?"

Campbell, obviously.


Posted by: MistaMoe | September 10, 2009 10:58 AM

Lucid post of the day.

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

As far as obnoxious fans go, Here's my list

1. Dallas
2. Dallas
3. Dallas
4. Dallas
5. Dallas
6. (tie) Philfydelfia and NYG
8. New England Patriots, not because of their team, but because most New Englanders are just rude to begin with.
9. Carolina, only because of Joe Wilson. Did you see that his opponent last year raised $65K in the last 12 hours?

Add KC Fans to that list, i got spit on at a PRESEASON game for wearing my Skins jersey. Then a Cheifs fan was drunk in front of me and kicked a girl, i puched him away from her and then everyone thought i started a fight with a Cheifs fan and i had to leave for fear of my life....unreal.

Posted by: skinball77 | September 10, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

scampbell:

My sympathies are extended to you. NORV TURNER - 'nuff said.

Posted by: glawrence007 | September 10, 2009 10:30 AM |

Yea, ain't that a b!tch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Number of National Name Checks for Posters?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 10, 2009 10:53 AM

Break this one down for me, cuz I am lost.

But highly agree on everything else.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Like I said, I’d rather take my chances with BMW at starting tackle than with Tryon at starting corner.

Posted by: cj658 | September 10, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Still gotta disagree here, while I hate Tryon as much as anyone, I have faith in Greg Blache. He repeatedly said in interviews on "Redskins Postgame" during the preseason he was intentionally putting Barnes, Tryon, and Westbrook on man-to-man situations to let them grow up and to see how they did. IF we get in the situation where Tryon or Barnes or Westbrook are playing in the regular season I think you'd see a lot of zone, a lot of the Cobra package and a lot of schemes to avoid the situation where any of those guys would be in a 1-on-1 situation and that being the case our D is still nasty.....Oline, there aint much you can do to hide your LT or RT...

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Then a Cheifs fan was drunk in front of me and kicked a girl, i puched him away from her and then everyone thought i started a fight with a Cheifs fan and i had to leave for fear of my life....unreal.

Posted by: skinball77

That is unreal. And good for you, skinball

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 10, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 I read the whole post. From your post you implied that you agreed with what ccrum87 "but I could actually see that being the case". I disagreed. Your hedging your position regarding Devin. I'm not. You want to make it seem that you're rooting for this guy, but you really want to be able to say it was a mistake drafting him.

Posted by: TWISI | September 10, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't make you wrong, but I don't see the rationale behind your fears. Haynesworth and Stubblefield have nothing in common aside from being defensive tackles.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 10, 2009 11:01 AM


I don't get why more Skins fans aren't scared...my Stubblefield reference isn't aimed at their playing styles, jersey numbers or size and weight. It has to do with the ratio of pay/expectations vs. production. Haynesworth got more than half of his career sacks (and the vast majority of his impact) in the last 2 seasons when he was chasing the money. Now that he's eating the very carrot that's been in front of him for 2 years, is he still gonna play at that level? And since I've seen this same question answered in the negative with the Redskins multiple times in the past, it's a more than valid fear.

As always, I HOPE I'M WRONG.

Got it Greg?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"while I hate Tryon as much as anyone"


Why do you hate him zj?? I don't get that?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

"Giants CB Terrell Thomas has already been told he'll be starting against the Redskins and says he's up to the task."

Can anyone say "target?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"As always, I HOPE I'M WRONG"

haha...brown, at least be man enough or smart enough to leave this part out. If AH busts, you'll be SCREAMING it from the rooftops that you were right...that you called this from the get-go....please...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Jason I would like you to help me settle an old score with the redskins. It will cost you a bit of sacrifice but really help out this team

Sure think Coach what u need.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 10, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 I read the whole post. From your post you implied that you agreed with what ccrum87 "but I could actually see that being the case". I disagreed. Your hedging your position regarding Devin. I'm not. You want to make it seem that you're rooting for this guy, but you really want to be able to say it was a mistake drafting him.

Posted by: TWISI | September 10, 2009 11:11 AM


I said I could see it. Didn't say that I full on agree. Just said I could see it. You don't have to read between the lines on EVERYTHING...sometimes there's just nothing there.

I could see him being a beast. I could see him sucking. He's going into Year 2, so we don't know yet.

I'm just leery of a guy who is more interested in partying and living the "lifestyle" instead of learning the playbook. That and ridiculous holding penalties downfield are the images I have from his rookie season. He's obviously got time to reverse that, but surely you can understand the apprehension a fan would feel about the guy.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Consider the following personnel groupings:

Kelly
Moss-slot
Cooley

or

Kelly
Moss-slot
Cooley-H-back/flexed
Mitchell

Which would score and be the most effective?

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 10, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Number of National Name Checks for Posters?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 10, 2009 10:53 AM

Break this one down for me, cuz I am lost.

But highly agree on everything else.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 11:06 AM

lol

Posted by: RedCherokee | September 10, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Though I voted for over 100 yards, it will more than likly be less because early in the season, teams will stuff 8 in the box consistently until JC17 can prove he can win games in the air.

So, I can see JC17 with 300plus yards on Sunday.

Book it.

Posted by: 4thFloor | September 10, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

zjfr2,
I think Tryon improved after that absolutely horrible first game. I am not hating on him as much as I did at the beginning of the season. Still, Westbrook is the better corner of the trio right now.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"while I hate Tryon as much as anyone"


Why do you hate him zj?? I don't get that?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


I've only said it about a thousand times, I think he's too short, can't cover anybody taller than 5'8", and was reach in the 4th round who came in shooting his mouth off and then has spent most of the last two preseasons get beat like he stole something every time he steps on the field except for one INT he got based off of Jarmon's pressure he hasn't looked very good. That said, with the Dline and pressure that on paper we should have this season as long as he can sit back in zone coverage Asante Samuels style and not have to match up on anyone especially on a slant route which appears to be his nemesis I still be more comfortable with him getting playing time this season than BMW or Baptiste. I'm hoping for a Monday afternoon signing of a vet tackle, if they do that my complaints will cease and I will feel like the FO did as good a job as possible of giving Zorn the pieces to make a playoff run...if they don't I'll be praying nightly for the health of Heyer and Samuels....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I need a martini or two.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

At this point I have no fears about Albert Haynesworth. I think he'll remain one of the top 5 defensive players in the NFL over the next 3-4 years and collapse the pocket as expected. He seems to have aspirations outside of money, and I think he'll use that as motivation. He wants to be remembered.

And if he keeps talking smack like he did with Brandon Jacobs this week, there's motivation on a smaller level to back up his talk or be embarrassed.

Might seem like an odd comparison, but it reminds me of the mind games Michael Jordan used to play. Jordan made heaps of money and made up things in his mind as motivation each time he walked out on the court. I see little hints of that with Haynesworth so far.

He hasn't said anything or shown anything that would make me think his production will fall off. I don't ever think we'll look back and say he was worth 100 million, but I don't think this is something the Redskins will look back on with egg on their faces either.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 10, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I actually think that we'll get some good production our of Randle El this season now that he will be playing his natural position.

Of course, I also thought George Clooney would make a good batman.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 10, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

ridiculous holding penalties

Just curious, how many of these did he have last year??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I know Tryon has had some trouble, but he looked great returning that pick.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

My guess is really between 80-120 yards. Depends on the wind.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

so zj, based on that you hate the man?

wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, I hope so 4th.

Posted by: redskirt_ | September 10, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

ridiculous holding penalties

Just curious, how many of these did he have last year??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:21 AM |

If it's DT you're talking about I remember at least 3.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I know Tryon has had some trouble, but he looked great returning that pick.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 10, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

completely agreed, like I said, in zone letting him feast on errant pressured QB throws I'm not worried, matched up man-to-man in press coverage terrified, but blache is smart enough not to do that.

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

haha...brown, at least be man enough or smart enough to leave this part out. If AH busts, you'll be SCREAMING it from the rooftops that you were right...that you called this from the get-go....please...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:15 AM


You once again confuse my stance as I don't WANT AH to succeed. Just because I don't BELIEVE he will doesn't mean I don't WANT him to.

However, to answer your question, if he's a bust I'm definitely taking it to you and Psps23 because you two have this as such a lead-pipe lock that he's going to be a world-beater. If anything's been proven, it's that NOTHING in football is a certainty. NOTHING.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

so zj, based on that you hate the man?

wow...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

yeah bean, obviously I meant that I hate him as a person.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | September 10, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

brown, you just want to come up here, and say that you were right about this...lets all agree....you want more than anything for DT/AH to suck so you can pat yourself on the back....man up, and admit it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"[Aikman] has made critical comments (albeit subtle) regarding the organization and Snyder in particular"

LOL ought to fit right in at RI.

Posted by: Samson151

RI posters, myself incuded, wouldnt' know subtle if it bit them where the sund don't shine--that's what makes this mess so addictive.

Posted by: TheCork | September 10, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/07/AR2009090701688.html?sid=ST2009090804109

Here's something Wise opened my eyes to: when he had time, Campbell connected 88% of the time to his receivers. And, his receivers had a total of 35 drops last season. Wow. Here's hoping the group this year helps him more--I know they will.

Posted by: pgugino | September 10, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I've only said it about a thousand times, I think he's too short, can't cover anybody taller than 5'8", and was reach in the 4th round who came in shooting his mouth off and then has spent most of the last two preseasons get beat like he stole something every time he steps on the field except for one INT he got based off of Jarmon's pressure he hasn't looked very good.

-- jfr2

He’s going to be be good. I’d stake my reputation on it.”

--Darrell Green

Hmmm. Tough call...

That said, I ripped him unmercifully last year and after the Ravens game, but he’s looked pretty decent since.

Posted by: TheCork | September 10, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone say "target?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM


TARGET

your welcome

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 10, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

brown, you just want to come up here, and say that you were right about this...lets all agree....you want more than anything for DT/AH to suck so you can pat yourself on the back....man up, and admit it....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:28 AM


I won't admit to what's not true...God as my witness, I'll take the beating from you and Psps23 all day with a smile on my face, especially if this team becomes a legit contender. But you'll excuse me if I do take a certain measure of enjoyment in being right if it means getting to stick it to one of the biggest blowhards on the blog.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I watched the AH and B Jacobs clips on Sportsrise this morning. A far as smack talk goes, neither rated very high in my book. Media’s stirring it up a bit, including our own Mayor…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 10, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Redskins angst seems a little elevated this morning. Personally, I think its because Chris Mortensen picked us over the Giants. First thought was "Oh crap, don't say that out loud!" Much rather every one pick against us.

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Consider the following personnel groupings:

Kelly
Moss-slot
Cooley

or

Kelly
Moss-slot
Cooley-H-back/flexed
Mitchell

Which would score and be the most effective?

Posted by: MistaMoe

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I've seen this a couple times up here before, but why are so many people infatuated with Moss in the slot?

Moss' strengths are speed, quickness, and acceleration, adjusting to deep passes in the air, and excellent footwork. His weaknesses are his height/weight and hands. To me, it's obvious this is the guy you want on the outside. In the slot, you need a reliable body that you can always count on in traffic. Generally, that's either a big bodied receiver (often TEs), or a quick guy with great hands (a la Welker). Moss really doesn't fit into either. On the outside, he can stretch the field more often, and his footwork along the sideline is impeccable (see his tiptoe catch against NE this preseason).

I don't see it. To me, he's a prototype outside WR.

Posted by: psps23 | September 10, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

YEah, RandEL seems best in the slot. Still quick enough to juke and can fake a route as good as anyone in the league.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 10, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, what would you consider a "bust" as far as AH goes?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 10, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

We'll see...hope I'm wrong, but I smell Stubblefield 2.0...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 7:09 AM

This is the brownwood formula. The glass is never half full. Not even half empty. It's always empty. But with the bs caveat "hope I'm wrong." Doesn't even have any convictions to go all in.

He (like many who post up here) is guided by two conflicting forces: Redskins love and Snyder hate. On the one hand he wants the Redskins to go 19-0, but on the other he wants Snyder and Cerrato to fail miserably. That would only happen if the 'Skins go 0-16. If the 'Skins win, he loses. If the 'Skins lose, he wins. Oh well, you can't have everything.

I think his Snyder hate completely overwhelms and disguises his Redskins love. He criticizes every move the FO makes, however irrational his criticism, and always with the "hope I'm wrong" caveat. So boring, so predictable.

But, I can't agree with beantown that he should go post on a Steelers blog. We got room for all types up here, as long as they're not soliciting MARTY S. E/M ADD.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 10, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

"I won't admit to what's not true"

"But you'll excuse me if I do take a certain measure of enjoyment in being right"


Thanks for clarifying....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Redskins angst seems a little elevated this morning. Personally, I think its because Chris Mortensen picked us over the Giants. First thought was "Oh crap, don't say that out loud!" Much rather every one pick against us.

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2009 11:37 AM


Wow, that is a reason to get riled up...he was the on ESPN that had us winning the Super Bowl after the big spending 2000 season. That guy needs to stick to insider info and keep the prognostication to the analysts...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

"Here's something Wise opened my eyes to: when he had time, Campbell connected 88% of the time to his receivers. And, his receivers had a total of 35 drops last season. Wow. Here's hoping the group this year helps him more--I know they will.
Posted by: pgugino"

All true. But here's the trick: the first number depends on how long the QB holds the ball. Jason held it longer than most (like Ben Roethlisberger). Best illustration if Matt Cassel -- though far more mobile than Brady, he got sacked about three times more often than Tom.

About the second number: the Skins really did drop a lot of balls. I don't know why. Moss, ARE, and Cooley are not the butterfingers type.

That's what the team is hoping for from big hands types like Kelly and Mitchell -- sticky fingers.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 10, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I've seen this a couple times up here before, but why are so many people infatuated with Moss in the slot?
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People are infatuated with the idea of it, because they see the success of a guy like Wes Welker in the slot.

Moss would be interesting in the slot because of the mismatches. Players in the slot are usually covered by linebackers and safeties and with Moss you have extreme speed and ability to make people miss. I believe his best year for the Jets, he was lined up in the slot quite a bit.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 10, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Never thought these words would leave my mouth (technically, they're not since I'm typing it), but I think T_E nailed it on the head. Good work.

(vomiting under desk at work)

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Haynesworth = Stubblefield.

But hey -- he's selling jerseys. And that's what matters.

Posted by: Diesel_Skins | September 10, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

There's no shortage of idiotic comments you can find on blogs, but this one is really getting old. If you sincerely believe that the Redskins sign players to sell jerseys, you're a moron. That simple.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 10, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If you sincerely believe that the Redskins sign players to sell jerseys, you're a moron.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 10, 2009 11:48 AM

Well, I'm not using the "M" word, but I will say that if they wanted to sell jerseys they would have signed Favre, not Haynesworth.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | September 10, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

One of the key matchups on Sunday will be the Giant's RBs vs. the Skins LBs. Needless to say, the Skins are not brimming with confidence when they look at this compponent of Sunday's game. The Giants have two good RBs in Jacobs and Bradshaw and LB is the weakest link in the Skins D. One of the reasons that the Skins have been experimenting with Orapko at LB is due to the lack of talent there. Fletcher is getting old, McIntosh has balky knees and the rest is suspect. Blache will have to bring in safety help, but then that opens up other areas for the Giants O to exploit.

Posted by: TalkToTheHand | September 10, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

There's no shortage of idiotic comments you can find on blogs, but this one is really getting old. If you sincerely believe that the Redskins sign players to sell jerseys, you're a moron. That simple.

Posted by: Barno1 | September 10, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

_______________________________

Yeah, I seriously doubt that the Redskins would sell $100 million dollars worth of Haynesworth jerseys to recoup that investment.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 10, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, what would you consider a "bust" as far as AH goes?

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 10, 2009 11:41 AM


Good question...the DT position is a hard one to evaluate since most of the impact isn't measured statistically.

To me, he's a bust if he's hurt a lot (more than 4 games) and the team still fails to field a steady pass rush. I know his sack numbers aren't important; the guys around him should be posting numbers and since this supporting cast is better than what he had in Tennessee (at least on paper), we should see very tangible evidence of his impact. If we don't, then that's a lot of money wasted.

So in my mind, anything less than what we saw in Tennessee the last two years is a bust.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Nice work TE, but you forgot to add one thing:
When he isn’t busy predicting every move the FO makes will fail, he is criticizing reporters and TV heads for being too negative towards the skins and not doing their jobs the way they are supposed to…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"However, to answer your question, if he's a bust I'm definitely taking it to you and Psps23 because you two have this as such a lead-pipe lock that he's going to be a world-beater."

Actually, I don't have it as a lead-pipe lock. I simply look down upon irrational justifications that a guy will be a flat-out bust simply because he comes to the Washington Redskins, and a guy happened to come to this franchise over a decade ago that also happened to be a bust. The two situations are completely disconnected from each other.

If you have reservations about Haynesworth, fine. But saying Haynesworth = Stubblefield 2.0 is about as baseless as saying London Fletcher = Jeremiah Trotter 2.0, circa 2006.

Posted by: psps23 | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone say "target?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM


TARGET

your welcome

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 10, 2009 11:34 AM

YYAAAAAAYYY!!!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse


Good question...the DT position is a hard one to evaluate since most of the impact isn't measured statistically.

To me, he's a bust if he's hurt a lot (more than 4 games) and the team still fails to field a steady pass rush. I know his sack numbers aren't important; the guys around him should be posting numbers and since this supporting cast is better than what he had in Tennessee (at least on paper), we should see very tangible evidence of his impact. If we don't, then that's a lot of money wasted.

So in my mind, anything less than what we saw in Tennessee the last two years is a bust.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Even though I disagree with you about AH, I was wondering what you considered a "bust" because it is all relative.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | September 10, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I don't have it as a lead-pipe lock. I simply look down upon irrational justifications that a guy will be a flat-out bust simply because he comes to the Washington Redskins, and a guy happened to come to this franchise over a decade ago that also happened to be a bust. The two situations are completely disconnected from each other.

If you have reservations about Haynesworth, fine. But saying Haynesworth = Stubblefield 2.0 is about as baseless as saying London Fletcher = Jeremiah Trotter 2.0, circa 2006.

Posted by: psps23 | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM |

...and logic prevails.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

If you have reservations about Haynesworth, fine. But saying Haynesworth = Stubblefield 2.0 is about as baseless as saying London Fletcher = Jeremiah Trotter 2.0, circa 2006.

Posted by: psps23 | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

____________________________

I agree with this.

Posted by: dfbovey | September 10, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

When he isn’t busy predicting every move the FO makes will fail, he is criticizing reporters and TV heads for being too negative towards the skins and not doing their jobs the way they are supposed to…..


Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 10, 2009 11:57 AM


You must have just showed up.

A beat reporter has a responsibility to be fair and balanced. A fan on a blog does not. Comparing me to JLC is about as baseless as saying London Fletcher = Jeremiah Trotter 2.0, circa 2006.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Ok, for the last time & the love of all that is holy.

Mano y mano means 'hand and hand'... is that REALLY what you were trying to convey? Are you SURE you didn't mean Mano A mano??? 'Hand to hand'? as in combat, as in boxing, as in where the saying comes from?!? Aaargh!

Sorry - I know it's picky, but it's like nails on a blackboard to me.

The other thing was people using 'weary' instead of 'wary' or 'leary'... but that has since slowed down if not stopped entirely.

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 10, 2009 11:00 AM
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mano on mano = gay zorn

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 10, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

and gay zorn is only OK if it is two or more females, no mano, no mas

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 10, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Portis will be fine, he'll only be as good as the rest of our team, like nature, everything affects everything else. our D will only be as good as the amount of pressure we get on the QB, more pressure on the QB, leads to sacks, turnovers, good field position for the offense, gets the D off the field, keeps them fresh, allows the offense to get into a groove, build confidence on both O and D, but lets not get too out of control, we still need that O-Line to hold up, which allows Campbell time to throw, allows WR to get open, allows holes to open up for Portis, Campbell can scramble or throw and what you have now is the flow of the game on the Redskins side, our pressure on D and protection on O will allow us to dictate the game and allows for more bounces to go our way.

LET IT FLOW, LETS GO, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS

Posted by: retroskins14 | September 10, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I get the fear of AH=DS, and it has induced cold sweats and night shivers in me at times, but it lives firmly in the world of the irrational.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 10, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

re: Haynesworth = Stubblefield 2.0

You now have NFL network, PFT, blogs and such. These things did not exist during the Dana Experiment. I do not think players can go under the radar and under perform like he did. They will get called out by the fans or writers if the coaches or FO don't do it.

So I have high hopes for Prince Albert! Long may he reign!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | September 10, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

You must have just showed up.
A beat reporter has a responsibility to be fair and balanced. A fan on a blog does not. Comparing me to JLC is about as baseless as saying London Fletcher = Jeremiah Trotter 2.0, circa 2006.
Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 12:03 PM

C’mon, you know I’ve been around a while. All I’m saying is that it seems pretty hypocritical for someone who is pretty much only negative to criticize anyone else who is negative, no matter what their “responsibility” is. Aren’t they also responsible to call it like they see it? Especially on a blog? And JLC is far from the only critic who is on your “list”…..If memory serves, there is also Wilbon, Cowherd, and Just 30 minutes ago you added Mortensen to the list of folks who should do their job the way you think they should…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 10, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

http://deadspin.com/5356389/alabama-fan-is-not-pleased-about-that-last-call

Why I love college football. Its not the games, its the fans.

Posted by: will_ga | September 10, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | September 10, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Moss would be interesting in the slot because of the mismatches. Players in the slot are usually covered by linebackers and safeties and with Moss you have extreme speed and ability to make people miss. I believe his best year for the Jets, he was lined up in the slot quite a bit.

Posted by: dfbovey"

That's fair, and I wouldn't object to seeing it once in a while. I don't know if Moe was hinting towards this specifically, but I have seen people call for Moss to be moved primarily to the slot, in which case he wouldn't be so favorably matched up with due to predictability -- and that's what I disagree with. Welker tends to see such favorable matchups because Randy Moss is always occupying the attention of the top CBs and safeties. Santana is that guy for us. If Santana becomes a primary slot receiver, you lose that edge on the outside.

Of course, if Mitchell and Kelly become truly dominant WRs, then I'd love to see Moss lined up there. But as it stands at this moment, I can't agree with that position.

Posted by: psps23 | September 10, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

"To me, he's (Santana Moss) a prototype outside WR."

The typical outside receiver is 6'0 and up in height.

A big corner can jam a smaller wide receiver to the outside and use the sideline against him.

Moss at the slot means he can be 'hidden' in a bunch formation or run free underneath a tight end or big-bodied wide receiver in a 'pick play'.

If the skins used Moss like the pats used Welker, Moss would crush in ways Welker does not because he has speed.

Why would you only allow him to use that speed on half the field?

Put Moss in the slot.

Posted by: MistaMoe | September 10, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

pgugino,
I read that article, too but what does it mean "when he had time"? Does this mean when he had time to stand in the pocket for ten seconds and check down every receiver three times? Hey, I'll be the first to admit the offensive line did a lousy job protecting the quarterback last year, but what about the times when the Redskins' smallish wide receivers were jammed at the line, or what about the times when JC flat out held on to the ball too long? You can't hang every sack on the offensive line. Even the best pass blocking will break down in time.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | September 10, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

C’mon, you know I’ve been around a while. All I’m saying is that it seems pretty hypocritical for someone who is pretty much only negative to criticize anyone else who is negative, no matter what their “responsibility” is. Aren’t they also responsible to call it like they see it? Especially on a blog? And JLC is far from the only critic who is on your “list”…..If memory serves, there is also Wilbon, Cowherd, and Just 30 minutes ago you added Mortensen to the list of folks who should do their job the way you think they should…..

Posted by: dlhaze1 | September 10, 2009 12:14 PM


Memory serves wrong...I'm one of the few here that actually likes Wilbon. Mortenson is a great NFL insider...not sure why they have him pick games at all. All I'm saying is that it's not fair to compare me (a jaded and bitter fan) and JLC (a Ravens fan with an axe to grind against Vinny). Not even the same league.

I'll leave you with this: if Katie Couric came on the nightly news and said "I hate McCain", is that not a huge difference between me saying "I hate McCain" on a blog?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 10, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone say "target?"

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 10, 2009 11:14 AM


TARGET

your welcome

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 10, 2009 11:34 AM
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TARGET must be my word of the day. My son started working for them today. Finally, he has a job!

Posted by: RITCA | September 10, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I agree Moss would be awesome in the slot against FS and #3 CBs... particularly, with Mitchell or Thomas at split-end and Kelly at flanker.

Posted by: siris | September 10, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

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